Haley Reinhart Parts Ways With Interscope Records and 19R (REPORT)

And yet another American Idol alum parts ways with their record label. This time, it’s Season 10 alum, Haley Reinhart who reportedly has split with Interscope Records and 19R after 1 album.

Via The Los Angeles Times:

Haley Reinhart, the bluesy ingenue who placed third on the 10th season of “American Idol,” has parted ways with Interscope Records and 19 Recordings, a source close to the singer confirmed to Pop & Hiss on Tuesday.

The 22-year-old’s post-“Idol” debut, “Listen Up!,”  was quietly issued in late May, just as a new victor was crowned. The album debuted at No. 17 on the Billboard 200 after it logged 20,000 copies in its first week, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

I can’t say I’m surprised. It’s too bad. Although radio PDs ignored her singles and the album didn’t sell well, Listen Up! was generally received well, critically.

Recent Idols to spit with their labels include Pia Toscano, Kris Allen, and David Cook.

  • http://twitter.com/HighTensions Jake Williams

    Sad. She had potential. I didn’t love her album, but liked only a few songs on it.

  • thirdtime

    Sad, but we knew this was coming a long time ago.  I hope she gets picked up soon by an indie label.

  • b_james

    Ugh.  I still love her and that album.  I still say “Free” was what killed it for her.    She should have come out swinging with something more catchy when her album dropped and she had TV spots to advertise it.  

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    some great songs on that album. i though it was a great balance of quality and commercial pop. really surprised it didn’t do better. 

  • http://twitter.com/JairFuentes1991 Jair Fuentes

    Complete and utter bullshit

  • Last Laugh Lane

    As a huge Haley fan, very sad. But unfortunately expected. What a wasted opportunity. After Idol, they’re treated like souvenir TV show acts. This girl is a true, true musician in every sense of the word. In order to grasp her full potential, the album needed to be promoted outside of the reality show realm. I really hope she hooks up with a jazz or indie label.

  • Niall

    It’s the norm nowadays rather than the exception, when an Idol gets released. Many talented AIers have been cut loose and found creative ways to maintain a career. If Hayley isn’t afraid of hard work and trying new things she should be fine.

    She won’t be the last to be dropped. It’s just the way the music business is. It’s tough all around.

  • Niall

    It’s the norm nowadays rather than the exception, when an Idol gets released. Many talented AIers have been cut loose and found creative ways to maintain a career. If Hayley isn’t afraid of hard work and trying new things she should be fine.

    She won’t be the last to be dropped. It’s just the way the music business is. It’s tough all around.

  • CB40

    Haley will be a jazz singer for years to come, this is the best thing that could have happened to her.

  • CB40

    Haley will be a jazz singer for years to come, this is the best thing that could have happened to her.

  • http://www.facebook.com/huba.buba.545 Huba Buba

    FUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!

  • http://twitter.com/J_SanchezFans J SanchezFan Kaylo™

    She should sign to an indie label.

  • http://twitter.com/J_SanchezFans J SanchezFan Kaylo™

    She should sign to an indie label.

  • yoshirox10

    My favorite contestant ever on Idol.  As disappointing as this is, it was expected.  This is great for her, though.  She needs a label that can promote her effectively and understands her music.  I look forward to what will come next from her.  I know it will be incredible.

  • Pat S

    If true, I’m pretty devastated. I woulda been ecstatic if this was just about 19, because their management has been feckless. But damn man. No second single? F’cking cold, Interscope. Real cold.

  • fantoo1

    Sad news, but not surprised. I think she waited too long to release her album and they didn’t seem to be that invested in her. I hope Casey A’s label picks her up-that seems like it could be a great fit.

    The idols getting dropped is far from over-Adam and Jordin are on thin ice. And if I were the X Factor season 1 contestants(particularly Melanie, Josh, Chris, and Marcus), I would be biting my nails right now.

  • EliteHalien

    Not gonna lie, I’m incredibly saddened that Haley was barely given a chance. I knew that sales were poor, but I was hoping that they might give her one more single.

    I’m kinda done with Idol at this point. Not because I hate the show, but what’s the point of getting invested in these contestants, and getting optimistic for their future when they’ll never be given a chance by the music industry.

    I truly believed that Haley was the most talented her season, and she’s my all time favorite contestant ever. 

    I hope that she ditches 19 Management as well. 

    I truly hope that an indie label will give her a chance even though she is an Idol contestant. Whatever happens, she’s still signed to Ole to she has a songwriting career to fallback on.

    Hopefully, Haley can bounce back and show that she can make it. We’ll see what happens, but I PRAY that she doesn’t disappear. Her voice is too distinct to lose.

    Still <3 you Haley!!!

  • OffLeash

    Many of us expected her contract with Interscope wouldn’t be renewed because of her debut album low sales, for a major label anyway, so it’s no surprise it happened this time of year. Very sad nonetheless.

    First Pia, now Haley. Makes you kinda worried about Jessica because Interscope doesn’t seem to work well with female Idols. 

  • blackberryharvest

    I’m kinda done with Idol at this point. Not because I hate the show, but
    what’s the point of getting invested in these contestants, and getting
    optimistic for their future when they’ll never be given a chance by the
    music industry.

    Well Phillip is doing good so far and Scotty has done well with his album sales(still waiting for that radio hit though).

  • tripp_ncwy

    She may very well still be with 19M/Red Light Management since the article only states she left 19 Recordings (19R).  Even if she did leave 19M also she may still have a management contract with Red Light like Pia did.

  • Seth Kimpel

    What does this mean for Haley? Hopefully she will now sign with a label that
    will promote her better than Interscope did. I just hope she can go on to make
    it big, I don’t want Listen Up to be the only album she makes!

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    This isn’t the end it’s just getting started for her.  An artist isn’t always ready for a label you can count on one hand the amount of artist succeeding on a major label that have come idol.  We are now in a culture of instant gratification, these shows are great for people to see you and discover you, but I still believe for 90% of folks you gotta do the old fashion way.  Get out with your own music build fans outside these shows who will buy your music and see your shows.  The best example is Carly Rae Jepsen her success after Canadian Idol wasn’t quick and without work (although the hit song did help) :)

  • Hugh29

    I thought her album was exceptionally good, but the timing of the release was exceptionally bad, too many other Idols coming out with albums the same time, and the crowning of Philip Philips the day after.  The focus was completely shifted and so had the market.  Going forward, she needs aggressive management, because I don’t think she’s a strong enough self-promoter.  She does have the talent though.

  • EliteHalien

    But that seems to be the trend. The winners start off well, and then by the second album they’re getting dropped. Really, I just want 19 Management to be fired completely, because there is a complete lack of ingenuity there. People always blamed RCA and blame Interscope, but there is only so much the label can do.

  • mileyfan123

    I will never understand the argument that someone’s favorite idol wasn’t given a chance. They have all been given chances. Some catch on with the music buying public, others don’t. Haley was given the chance to compete in front of millions of people. She was given the chance to make an album. She was given the chance to release a single. She was given the chance to perform at events like Lollapalooza. She was given chances. She didn’t catch.

  • justmefornow

     Not surprised but still sad. She’s a talented girl. Hopefully she’ll sign with a smaller Indie Jazz label like Casey’s.
    Best of luck to her.

  • jan

    Sorry to hear this – I like Haley’s music – I’ll continue to buy and listen if she continues to create.

  • GleeBunny

    I just feel like the day of the labels is finished. Most of the music I listen to nowadays is independently produced, funded by Kickstarter accounts. HEY, there’s an idea for a music reality show! 12 contestants, each with a Kickstarter. You vote with your cash, and whoever has the least dough in the kitty gets booted each week (but they get to keep the Kickstarter funds, just they have to promote on their own from then on out).

  • OffLeash

    Unfortunately, the timing had a lot to do with the poor sales. Idols need to try to balance their need for creative control with the small window of opportunity they’re given after the show. Wait too long, and that window is closed. Frankly, I thought P2 was doomed too when they first announced a Feb release date. 

  • girlygirltoo

    Disappointing, of course, but bot surprising, given her album sales, no 2nd single and no tour. They really didn’t do much to promote her, although she has gotten several placements for a few of her songs (probably through her music publisher).

    I’d think she would be a very good fit on a label like Concord (the label Casey Abrams is signed to). They are one of, if not the, top jazz labels in the US, and she would be allowed to do the jazzy/blues thing without worrying about if it fits pop radio.

    She’s a talented musician, and like most Idols who get dropped by a label, I expect that she will be fine, eventually, even though it may take a little while until we know a lot about her future plans.

  • jlscott13

    Sad, but not surprising. She was one of my faves that season.

    I wonder who’ll drop next? Stefano?

  • EliteHalien

    The real world doesn’t work like that. Artists don’t catch immediately. I will agree that Idols unfortunately need to catch immediately. But Katy Perry shopped around labels, even released albums before she broke it big. 

    There was a combination of factors. First, release of the album was during the worst time. Second, Free wasn’t the strongest single that could’ve been released. Oh My! should’ve been the first single, and Soul of Fire should be a promotional single.

    Her management failed her. I truly believe Interscope did as much as they could given her sales. It would’ve been unreasonable to expect more. 
    Also, how can someone catch when their music isn’t being promoted properly. Free was never going to extend Haley’s audience. 

    Undone or Oh My! could’ve accomplished that, so IMO she wasn’t given the best chance.

  • MellyPer1692

    I thought Haley’s album was the best from Season 10, so I’m sad about this. I can’t figure out if 19 just sucks that bad or if there just isn’t media interest for anyone but the winners these days.

    She’s going to be fine, I’m sure of it.

  • Jordana33

    I wasn’t a fan of Haley during Idol, but after listening to her album, I really expected her to be Idol’s next breakout artist. Even though she falls into that “Indie” artist category, her songs had great potential crossover appeal (and my taste tends to skew mainstream). Interscope screwed up.

  • girlygirltoo

    She doesn’t have to make it big to release another album. Lots of Idols (and artists in general) have released albums independently or on small labels. No reason why Haley couldn’t do the same thing.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC5VIWKY7SZ67OVWR2ISVCWYKY Brian

    That sounds like a good idea to me.  Haley will be fine in my opinion.  I like when her and Casey work together.  Loved their “It’s Cold Outside” video they did.

  • Last Laugh Lane

    These things aren’t her fault though. You can say “she had an album and a single”. Her management team literally failed with these things and tried treating her as an Idol souvenir.

  • Karen C

    I will never understand the argument that someone’s favorite idol wasn’t given a chance.

    Yes, they were given chances, but it does seem that other new artists are given much more promotion than the Idols are.   For instance, when Lana Del Rey came out with her album she was on several tv shows including SNL.  I don’t see many of the former idols given that chance. It might be that the idols are having trouble getting radio play, but that might also be a problem with promotion.

    And I know not everyone will be a hit, either. But similar situations are happening too often to be just the artists.

  • blackberryharvest

    But that seems to be the trend. The winners start off well, and then by the second album they’re getting dropped.

    Right now Scotty’s 2nd album is doing great for a Christmas album. I expect big sales in the next few weeks. Phillip is just starting out, and I think he will need some big radio hits and established himself.

  • irockhard

    Interesting you say that as I’m pretty sure his album was supposed to have been released by now. And whatever happened to Naima? She was signed to Peak Reacords in Jan (?) and was supposed to put out an EP this year.

    But back to Haley:

    Like someone else mentioned if she’s not afraid of working hard and trying new things she’ll be fine. But I’m not in the least bit surprised this happened, the writing was on the wall a long time ago. Time was the biggest enemy here.

  • OffLeash

    I bet that’s where Haley’s career is headed: Haley-Casey as a duo. They could be quite successful in that niche. 

  • Pippygirl

    This is upsetting but nothing surprises me anymore about this industry.  Haley has the talent and I am sure she will continue to make music. I hope she can get away from 19 asap though. They are just horrible.

  • mileyfan123

     

    Yes, they were given chances, but it does seem that other new artists
    are given much more promotion than the Idols are.   For instance, when
    Lana Del Rey came out with her album she was on several tv shows
    including SNL. 

    So?

    Really…am I supposed to feel sorry for them because they aren’t getting THE BEST promo? Are we in middle school where everything has to be fair or we throw temper tantrums? The label believed in Lana Del Rey more than Haley. Oh well. IT doesn’t mean she didn’t get her shot as well.

  • irockhard

    Ooooo yes! Now I’ve never really been much of Haley fan but Caley? Now we’re talking! And it’s been ages since there’s been a Sony and Cher type duo. IMO those 2 will be way more successful if they combine forces.

  • kmd23

    Hope that Haley does sign on to a label like Casey is signed to. An indie label is a better fit for her.

  • shell29

    Sorry that things didn’t work out for Haley at Interscope but I’m confident she’ll land on her feet.  I wish her the best.

  • Chris

    On the upside, now she’s free to do other projects with Casey.

    I really think most of the Idols put way too much emphasis on solo careers.  There is more than one route to be in the industry, that’s why Simon creates groups from some of his best contestants that may need a little time or “rounding out.”

  • EliteHalien

    You’re kinda being disrespectful. Some people are genuinely upset about Haley being dropped and we don’t need your indifference and callous attitude. 

    Speaking for myself, I’m hurt about this news, and I don’t need someone telling me that Haley had her chance. As her fans, we wanted her to have “THE BEST” and we don’t need you mocking us for thinking that. 

    So respectfully, if you’re going to continue with this attitude, I’m asking you to leave this thread.

  • girlygirltoo

    You can’t count Christmas albums as a true 2nd album. Christmas albums have little to nothing to do with whether an artist is considered current or relevant or how they will do in their career going forward (Rod Stewart’s Xmas album is the best selling one this year, and he hasn’t been on the radio or been considered a relevant artist in probably 20 years). Look at David Archuleta, for example. His Xmas album has sold well over 200K, I believe. His real 2nd album sold less than 100K.

    We won’t have a real clue about Scotty until he puts out his real 2nd album sometime in 2013.

  • http://twitter.com/Loretta31 Loretta

     If an artists music is not played on the radio because PD have a distaste for anything Idol the artist can’t catch on.  It is a shame because IMO Haley’s cd is really good as is Blake Lewis’s, Kris Allens and David Cooks.

    An artist needs airplay for success.  Haley’s, Blake’s Kris’s and David’s cd are so much better than the typical meh played in rotation on the radio. 

  • mileyfan123

     If PD’s had such a distaste for idol that they refused to play it then Scotty and Phillip wouldn’t have had radio hits. I understand that Haley’s fans think her album is fantastic, but just maybe radio PDs didn’t.

  • BonnieDee

    They should have released Undone.  It’s a damn good song.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Y’all can all blame me.  My faves never make it with the major labels.  ;-)

    Seriously, this isn’t a shocker.  If she’s willing to work hard she can have a good career.  Good luck to her.  I’ll be rooting for her.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Christmas albums aren’t second albums. Let’s wait and see how his second country album fares. It will be interesting to see if the PDs and DJs on country stations are hesitant or not about playing Scotty’s music from his second album.  

  • Chris

    “I wonder who’ll drop next? Stefano?”
    Unfortunately, we are knocking at the door of S12, so the management is probably cleaning house in the next few months to make way for “fresh blood.”

    If they aren’t charting or selling, its a cruel business.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    Well I’m happy for phillip and his success, but let’s be honest, dude fell a$$ backwards into a hit song, let’s see if he gets another hit song from this album :)

  • jlscott13

    Agreed. I think Stefano will fall to the same fate as Pia…he’ll never actually release a major label record.

  • blackberryharvest

    An album is an album.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    What puzzles me the most is the reason why Interscope took so long to release Haley’s album and on the other hand they released so quickly Scotty and Lauren’s album. It’s like they kinda knew that Idols need to release albums quickly but didn’t respect the pattern for Haley. Maybe they thought she had special fans that would be faithful to her even after a long time without anything new? I really can’t figure out.

    If she released her album on October/November she could have an amount of sales between James and Lauren, or even more if she had singles charting, and now she could be working on her sophomore album.

  • Valarie

    Even though Haley’s album sales were disappointing, it may have been P2’s success that did her in. If season 11 had not yielded a successful Idol pop singer for 19 and Interscope, they may have tried for a second album. Now that Idol can brag about Scotty on the country side and P2 on the pop side, they don’t really need others from those seasons. Jessica and Lauren may need to worry.

  • fantoo1

    I think it was Haley that wanted to take her time on it.

  • irockhard

    For the sake of my special snowflake I actually hope that’s true because I want him to part ways with 19M so that he can be free to sign with more competant management.

  • EliteHalien

    Since Lauren and Scotty were country, I guess Interscope thought that the public would be more willing to purchase material.

    With Haley, she wanted to go the pop route, but also wanted to be involved in the writing process. Maybe, Interscope thought that they needed to give her to develop an identity as an artists. I think the label was trying to find a happy medium between acting quickly and developing a distinctive sound for Haley.
    It’s a good question. I hadn’t really thought about.

  • irockhard

    Disagree, a Christmas album is a novalty for fans only, it has no significance to the artist’s chosen market. It’s Scotty’s sophomore country album that matters.

  • OffLeash

    The good news for Lauren is that she’s not working directly under Jimmy. Best of luck to Jessica. At least, she’ll benefit from a Glee boost for her album release, so she should fare better than Haley sales wise.

  • Incipit

    Sorry to hear this news, but it’s not entirely unexpected. But I also expect that Haley will continue making music, and if she does go the Kickstarter route, I would contribute – I really enjoy her voice, especially when she does jazz. That  “God Bless the Child” that she did off the cuff at Irvin Mayfield’s Jazz Playhouse in New Orleans gets a lot of play from me.  

    Interscope does come across as a bad fit for Haley, and her management arguably did not present her well, but, IMO, the present Pop Machine doesn’t begin to have enough scope for what she is capable of – and Pop is not the Alpha and Omega of music, far from it.

    JMO. Of Course.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    “I’m kinda done with Idol at this point. Not because I hate the show, but
    what’s the point of getting invested in these contestants, and getting
    optimistic for their future when they’ll never be given a chance by the
    music industry.”

    Idol has been long enough for the fans to see the reality of the music industry through various Idol contestants.  Just like any other artist (that didn’t go the reality show route) – some succeed (Carrie, Kelly), some don’t (Lee, Hayley, Kris).  Some carve out a nice little niche career (Kellie Pickler, Fantasia, Mandisa, Taylor), some are able to diversify and try other things in the entertainment industry while still dabbling in music (Jennifer Hudson, Adam, Constantine, Jordin).

    Idol may give the contestants a leg up and nice platform to introduce themselves to the public, but that doesn’t mean they all should have it made just by being on the show.

    They’re all still pretty much rookies once they leave the show and will have to hustle and work their asses off to establish themselves in the REAL world.  and just like every one else.  Some make it.  Some don’t.

  • Valarie

    How do the sales of Scotty’s Christmas album compare to those of David Archuletta?

  • OffLeash

    IIRC, Haley made a point of wanting to take her time to create an album that truly represented her. Both her fans and Jimmy approved. So at least she got to release an album to her own heart, which is more than Pia for instance can say.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ACMLXLYSSX73RNYQOUZWSO2I4U Enough already!

    Not sure what can be actually expected these days as there are so many Idols making music–if you just take the top four in each year that’s 44 artists alone.   Many of them do well the year coming out, but falter after that.  Now you add the Voice, the X Factor shows here and abroad and there are a herd of singers trying to make it post these shows in the same market.  And a market that is fickle and unbending.  If they can manage to stay relevant at least in the top 10 Idol market I think that is not shabby.   btw, IMO the music business today has little to do with real talent, but marketing. 

  • Xentusk

    In retrospect Interscope gave her no support or media at her Album Debut in LA, Lollapalooza in Chicago or Carnegie in NY.  NOTHING…

    We tried to give excuses as to why they didn’t do the base minimum to support her, especially in those events, which should have been big enough to promote, but they didn’t even do her ‘solid’ of even getting any media or decent video for those significant events in an artist’s career

    Haley will be fine, the disappointment is not hers, it is all on Interscope

    (At least she has the writing credits for her songs that Ole has been doing a decent job of promoting)

  • jlscott13

    Exactly. Xmas albums are novelties, nothing more. Blake Shelton and Lady Antebellum also released holiday albums too…and just like Scotty’s, I don’t count those as actual new music.

  • Chris

    From what I’ve read, Lauren is writing with some of the usual Nashville subjects for her sophomore album so her management must be footing the bill for now.  She had 3 singles to chart BB country so that must have been enough to not give her the boot.

    That said, if her 2nd album doesn’t do well, she’ll be gone.  Its just a numbers game – sell you stay.  Don’t sell – bye, bye.

    Jessica IMO is doing well without the sales.  The spot on Glee, the ad campaigns, no tears for her.

  • irockhard

    Yes that’s correct she said she wanted to take her time.

  • halo9125

    We really DON’T know what type of album Pia wanted to release, do we? For all we know, Interscope wanted her to release a quicky album full of poppy crap and Pia wasn’t having any of it. Have you ever considered that in Pia’s eyes no album was better than an album full of junk?

    Just a little something to think about….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    These kids need to release an album that truly represent them and at the same time do it faster than ever, even if they need to work 24/7 to accomplish it. Time is a bitch for the idols.

  • fantoo1

    Lauren is basically at 300K. Pretty good numbers for a new country artist.

  • OffLeash

    My point exactly. IIRC, Pia even said so herself, that she didn’t agree with the kind of album Jimmy wanted. That’s why I said at least Haley got an album she was proud of out of Interscope. Pia got nothing out of her time with the label because she wasn’t given the same freedom Haley got for her album.

  • girlygirltoo

    Phillip isn’t a pop singer. Home only started getting a lot of CHR play after it shot up the other charts and had the Olympics exposure. I wouldn’t expect to see him on the pop charts much in the future — unless he can get a song to cross over to multiple genres again. 

    I do think Haley was hurt by the timing of her album release. It came right before Phillip was crowned, and I think that after her album didn;t sell well right away, the label decides that the Idols it would focus on would b’ Phillip and (to some extent) Jessica.

  • halo9125

    Sorry if I came across as critical- it wasn’t my intention at all :-)

    If nothing else, Pia at least got to say her piece to The Hollywood Reporter. It looks like all that Haley got was “don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out”.

  • wkstrack

    That’s disappointing. Her album IS one of the best post Idol alum debuts. Maybe an indie label can sign her? I think part of the reason why she didn’t do so well was 1. Interscope waited too long to release her album and 2. She placed 3rd and I don’t think a lot of casual viewers remember her. It’s not like she was the winner or even second place. I don’t know this but does anyone know if Elliot Yamin  did well on his first album? He had a hit with Wait For You.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OSOOTOBRL4XGHQNICOXCCN5IXQ lisa

    not at all surprised.no market for music as well as Casey A.not a fan of either one  

  • girlygirltoo

    From what I read, they had Pia working with some of the top pop/r&b writers and producers in the game. So it doesn’t seem like they were going to give her poppy crap — although the one song they did release, the one she performed on the Idol tour, was not, IMO, very good. There may have been indecision about what direction to try and go with her, but I think a bigger problem  may have been that Interscope thought she had all these fans after the “uproar” over her boot, but when her single tanked, they realized that her actual fanbase is pretty small. 

    I don’t think Interscope had the same illusions about the size of Haley’s fanbase. I think her problem had more to do with waiting too long to release an album, combined with the fact that her music doesn’t fit neatly into any mainstream genre — it’s a mixture of different styles, and that can be hard to market.

  • OffLeash

    There’s that too, I’m sure, and the same could be said about Haley. She had what seemed like legions of very active fans on the internet, and the label’s expectations might have been too high.

  • Chris

    I remembered where I read it – duh.  Where else but here in an article by Windmills. 

    Yes, country is a different animal.  Haley did a good “Gunpowder and Lead” duet, but I don’t think her heart is in country.  She should go for  jazz duets, trios, morph away from “mainstream” and just focus on good songs.

    http://mjsbigblog.staging.wpengine.com/idol-ladies-gone-country-10222012-edition.htm

  • Dusting Divas

    “How do the sales of Scotty’s Christmas album compare to those of David Archuletta?”

    Archie sold approx 16k in the first week, Scotty about 40k  and let’s not forget Clay at 271k. 

  • Chris

    Good point on expectations.  From all of the traffic on the boards, youtube, etc… one might swear some Idol contestants should have sold like hotcakes.

    I think expectations is helping P2 to be honest. I doubt anyone at 19 expected this level of success.

  • http://twitter.com/dam744 Damien Roberts

    Very sad, was hoping she could come out with a better second album before this would happen. I sadly think she’ll be better off with an independent label.

  • LA944

     I think both Haley and Casey are  big time talents on their own. Haley is a hell of a singer. Casey is incredibly versatile–great musician, lots of stage presence and a good singer. They both are songwriters. I think Haley is more of a lyricist and Casey more of a composer (speculation–since they are forced to write with others–so it’s hard to tell)

    But, I thought from the beginning that they should have been put together as either a duo or in a group/band. They have wonderful chemistry and have said they are musical soulmates. Two fan bases (even tho some of it would overlap)  would have been brought to the table. It had never been done with any idols before (that I know of anyway) So, it would have been a good promotional tool as well as make for some good copy.

    There are country duos (Sugarland) and groups (Lady Antebellum). I’m no expert on country music–but I think there are more out there doing well. Why not use that same concept for a jazzy/rock/pop scenario. I thought they could have been kind of a Fleetwood Mac type thing. That group had at least 3 in the band singing lead on different songs. The Eagles did that too.

    If successful, they could each have gone their own way and made solo albums. I’m not just being a Monday Morning quarterback–cause I have mentioned this on some forums as season 10 was winding down.

    Haley had a good album. But, a lot of luck and timing are involved. Idols are in a Catch-22. If they rush into an cd–and it turns out lousy–they are dropped and possibly tarnish their future reputations. If they wait–and try to do a better quality product–fans forget about them. If I was in their position–I would have went the Haley route and tried for quality. Cause if I would rather sink on my own decision–then on some producer who doesn’t give a crap.

    I wish Haley a lot of luck and I’m sure she will be picked up and do well.

  • tomr

    No surprise…she’s just not that good.  One more Idol that will be the answer to some game show question 5 years from now.

  • girlygirltoo

    Actually, his first week projected sales (140-160K) are right in line with what Interscope predicted (150K) a couple of months ago. So although 19 might not have thought that back in May, I don’t think they’re surprised by today’s report :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Home was climbing down the iTunes chart, was stalled on HAC and wasn’t even on the AAA chart before the Olympic exposure. That’s what shot it to the top 10 on iTunes. Pop followed slowly behind it’s big restart on HAC and its introduction to the AAA chart.

    If Home goes to the top 10 on CHR, which it is going to, the next single selection and the fact that Interscope is behind this project will be key to getting another song that will do well on CHR. Also, the fact that P2 is set to have respectable opening album numbers could tell PDs that listeners are buying into PP as an artist and not just the Home song.

  • girlygirltoo

    If I were Jessica, or any other Idol signed to Interscope as a pop artist, I’d be a little worried. So far UMG has had way more success with the non-pop Idols (Scotty, Phillip, Lauren) than they have with the supposedly “pop” ones (Pia, Haley)

  • hellomusicgirl

    “How do the sales of Scotty’s Christmas album compare to those of David Archuletta?”
    Archie sold approx 16k in the first week, Scotty about 40k  and let’s not forget Clay at 271k.

    Assuming you are looking at more than just the first week numbers, sales as of September 2012 were at 258K for Archie’s Christmas album. 210K of that was in the initial holiday season of release.
    I do think that looking at Christmas album sales as an indication of future sales is misleading. There are people who buy Christmas music that would not buy your album otherwise and the reverse is true. The sophomore album within the artist’s genre is the real question point. Its a significant hurdle for any artist, not just those off of Idol. Not so much “sophomore” album but any follow up to a successful album. For Idols, that generally makes it a 2nd album since they are big coming off the show but I think you see this repeated alot in the general music industry when someone has a breakthrough album that its hard to follow up.
    I wish Haley the best. She has a truly unique voice.

  • Dusting Divas

    “How do the sales of Scotty’s Christmas album compare to those of David Archuletta?”Archie sold approx 16k in the first week, Scotty about 40k  and let’s not forget Clay at 271k.

    Assuming you are looking at more than just the first week numbers, sales as of September 2012 were at 258K for Archie’s Christmas album

  • Chris

    Yes, I meant May when he won. There hasn’t been a winner with Double Platinum sales in a while so I doubt that was on the radar.

  • jpfan2

    let’s see if he gets another hit song from this album :)

    I think he has at least two hit songs on this album. Maybe none will be as big as Home but they should be at least modest successes.  P2 will not be a one hit wonder!

    Too bad about Haley but not really a surprise. For some reason labels like to drop artists around this time of year. Maybe they think the news gets lost in the holiday shuffle or something.

  • potatorocks

    How much does it take to make a record?   I don’t understand signing, releasing and then not full out promoting EVERY singer you release a record with.  I do understand not being able to come up with a decent album and dropping someone (like pia) that you no longer believe in prior to releasing a record.

    Haley will be fine.  It will just be a different kind of career–a much more difficult path.

  • http://twitter.com/dy7764 dy

    My personal opinion is that Haley would be very wise to get out of that 19M contract as soon as she can and sign with a management firm that understands how to promote their talent. 
    Hope she lands another record label deal soon. She’s talented and deserves it. Wish her the best.

  • OffLeash

    I think the point is that since P2’s online presence is practically inexistent, the label has to use other clues for their sales projections. It’s a known fact that Idol fanbases are usually of the rabid kind, and very active, and it’s tempting to try to extrapolate sales numbers from the level of buzz and online activity of the fans.

    No such thing with P2, because his is the silent fanbase lol. Interscope had to rely on other market research tools for their projections. BTW, with everything that happened this year re Idols sales, I’ll be shocked if industry peeps don’t totally disregard from now on any online stat re Idols to gauge their popularities and sales expectations.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=195101108 Stefan Wind

    Saddest day ever in Idol land for me, even though the writing has been on the wall for awhile. =*(

    Hope nothing but the best for her and much success in an indie label that will do right by her. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=195101108 Stefan Wind

    That’s your opinion. 

    Liked your post by accident btw. 

  • Xentusk

    You can click the “like” again to remove it.

    It’s one thing to say that he didn’t like her style/sound, quite another to say that ‘she’s no good’.  Thankfully, there are many, many professionals in the industry who Haley has impressed that has a difference of opinion as to her talent.

    Her fans have done more to promote her than Interscope has, anywy, we can’t let this ‘bump in the road’ sully that support.  Onwards and upwards, bigger and better things ahead. :D

  • hellomusicgirl

    LOL I wasn’t trying to rival your answer, I was just offering further information. In the initial question the poster did not specify they were looking for first week sales but thank you for offering those. And Clay had extremely impressive sales numbers, I agree.

  • MellyPer1692

    Elliot sold gold with his first post-Idol album.

  • Jazz_11

    What does this mean for Haley?

    It means she and her management has to find another label for her. I like her but when she’s dragging recording her debut album, I’ve seen trouble already. Idols needs to capitalize their timing in releasing their debut album. The soonest they release their album after their season ended the better. Nevertheles, I’m sure she’ll be fine. Her father’s a musician so they will find a way.  

  • Last Laugh Lane

    Scotty doesn’t have definitive radio hits?? Country ignores him. Most people that heard Phillip through the Olympics, etc had no idea he was from Idol. Here in Philly, they JUST started playing Home top 40. Last week. It took that long for them to warm up to him. Sorry, not him, the SONG.

  • justmefornow

    I agree obviously about the bad timing of her release. Maybe her sales would have been closer to Lauren and James if she had released in the fall. But even releasing in the spring, according to this article she sold 20k the 1st week. James sold 28k his 1st week, not really that much more.

    The difference between her and James, IMO, was that he almost immediately started touring. A small winter mostly radio one, then a much longer spring and summer one, some headliners, but mostly as an opener for established rock acts. 

    This is where I think Haley’s management failed her. They should have really moved a lot faster and got her out there. Had her do and appear anywhere to keep her fresh on people’s minds and introduce her to new fans of whatever touring mate she might have had.
    (But then again I can’t really picture her riding around the country in a ratty van with her band, lol, but James and crew sure looked liked they had a hoot last summer.)

    Anyway, water under the bridge now. If I were her I’d look into smaller jazz labels and plan some collabs with Casey. They were always great together.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=195101108 Stefan Wind

    Thank you. It’s now “Unliked”…lol

  • Jazz_11

    Archie sold approx 16k in the first week, Scotty about 40k and let’s not forget Clay at 271k.

    IMO, You cannot compare album sales from 2004 to 2009 and 2012. In 2004 album sales were still great compare to 2009 and now.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Aiken

  • alt28023

    I still go back to any of Haley’s old idol performances that I can still find and just watch in amazement. Love the girl, wish her the best and of course, I will follow her as long as she keeps doing what she loves.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I agree 100% with this. Sometimes 1 + 1 = 3.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    Programming directors don’t care if a song is good or bad, or if a singer can sing. They just care if there is an audience for it. Btw, in addition to Haley’s fans, professional critics liked her album.

  • http://twitter.com/Apol_Green N!cole

    I am very saddened by this news ’cause I liked Haley’s album A LOT. Hopefully she’ll get signed by an indie label.

    This pains me to say this, I think Jessica Sanchez is doomed because her album will be released on April or March.  At that time, people have shifted their attention to the new contestants.  With songs like Fairytale and Change Nothing, I’m pretty convinced her album will be a flop.

  • http://twitter.com/ronnydias Ronny Dias

    Being a Haley fan from the very first time I heard her sing, I could say that I am sad and disappointed.

    But considering how her album was being handled by this company (I’m still waiting for ‘Oh, my’ or any of the other great songs in it to be released), I think this might be a good thing for her.

    I even dare to say she’s not so upset about it either ( I happen to follow her on twitter and not long ago she mentioned she had been on studio the whole day and was pleased with the result).

    Let us, lovers of good music, hope she lands herself a better deal ASAP!

     

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    Game show question 5 years from now:

    What American Idol was invited to play at Carnegie Hall and Lollapalooza and with Slash on a nationally televised broadcast before she had even released her debut album?

  • merkureye

    Interscope and 19M did actively promote Haley, her single FREE and her album.  I seem to recall Haley getting performances and interviews on S11 AI results show, Conan, The View, and she walked the Red Carpet at the Grammys just to name a few promotional opportunities afforded Haley. 
     
    IMO her management and label did everthing that could reasonably be done to galvanize a fanbase and market for her CD. . .if that is, there was a fanbase to galvanize in the first place.  Unhappily, Iovine is discovering that unknown singers finding popularity on a singing contest show doesn’t directly translate in the real world to album sales.
      

  • renzy24

    OMG! This is so bad news. I wonder who’s next? Lauren? Since Haley is kinda Jazzy I’m not expecting her to sell that much but she is very talented and interscope should give her another shot but well that is life. I’m thinking Jessica should be first on pop music that have more listeners for her to sell more records not what she wanted to be because I’m afraid that if Jessica can’t sell with RNB type of music, She will be parts ways with Interscope as well. :( 

  • standtotheright

    Scotty doesn’t have definitive radio hits?? Country ignores him. Most people that heard Phillip through the Olympics, etc had no idea he was from Idol.

    I have to agree with this. McCreery was massively popular, clearly attuned to the country genre, and while I believe windmills when she says that top 20 is a bigger deal in country than in other genres, his singles were still not exactly a hit parade. Even he thinks he’s on sufferance at radio and needs an undeniable song to get through the sophomore era.

    And there’s no shame in saying that Home is a radio staple because of the Olympics and the subsequent sales that basically forced radio to play it. Fans can hope that its success would carve an easier path, but there have been plenty of big hits that didn’t do that for follow-up singles (and not just because of quality).

    Every artist who “catches” in the long run does so because the songs get airplay. “Having a shot” doesn’t mean much if there isn’t an end-run around radio to get attention from the beginning, so I think it’s fair to say that Reinhart never got to show off her potential.

    Oh, and I am 100 percent not in the Abrams-Reinhart duo crowd. Abrams is a talented instrumentalist and writes pleasant melodies but, for me, he engenders so little heat and passion as a songwriter that I feel like he would dull Reinhart in a songwriting unit. And since I think she does have some knack for bringing a temporary pop sensibility to her jazz-inflected songs, I don’t want to see them just performing standards, either.

    She’s a talented girl. I wish her well.

  • elliegrll

    Haley didn’t stand a chance, because those in radio decided not to play her music.  Interscope did make a mistake by releasing “Free” as the first single, but the odds of Haley getting airplay for any of the songs on her album were low.  

    She released a retro album, but I think the main problem is that PDs just aren’t interested in “Giving” anything from those who came off of AI, especially not the people who aren’t generating any buzz.  Unfortunately, Insterscope wasn’t invested enough to try to help Haley out.  

    From now on if labels want to release music from Idol alums who finish below first place, and who aren’t getting any media attention, they are going to have to hook them up with established artists, and get them featured on other people’s songs.

  • girlygirltoo

    I would bet on Stefano being next, although he has been tweeting about working in the studio with Mike Posner lately, so who knows.

  • mtlfan2

    Sad but not unexpected.
    Anyway i’m optimistic about her because she’s talented

  • springboard2

    I am not surprised, but what has always surprised me is what I perceived is a lack of support for her from TPTB, whether on Idol or afterwards. She has an amazing vocal tone and she is a pretty girl, imo, and I would think that she is marketable, but I have never thought that Jimmy was really interested for a reason that I don’t understand.
    After the show, there was three acts that were kept in the public mind, Scotty, Lauren and Pia. Nothing about Haley for months, until her album late release. At this point, she needed a real single, that stands its own amongst other songs, and really Free wasn’t it.
    Her album is fine, but I don’t think that there was much investment in the production, and I think it feels a bit amateurish and lacks punch.
    Hopefully, she’ll find her niche in the future.

  • girlygirltoo

    I know she’s doing a few shows opening for Allen Stone, but she needs to find someone to set her up on a real small club tour for next year, and see if they can hook her open as an opening act for a more established artist in the late spring/summer. She doesn’t need a label to tour — just a booking agent (managers can’t legally book gigs in most states).  Both Lee and Kris have been touring the past few weeks and Kris has already got more than 30 shows lined up for January-April 2013, with more getting booked pretty much every day. If he can do this, so can Haley. Granted, no one is going to make a ton of new fans doing a small club tour, but can certainly pick up some new ones. And every new fan gained means one more person who might spread the word about the artist. More importantly, gigging out keeps the artist busy, earns them some money and can perform new music to test it out before spending $ on recording it.

  • elliegrll

    It wasn’t Interscope’s job to keep Haley in the public eye.  That job belonged to her management.  Interscope was responsible with trying to get radio to play her song, but that was going to be hard because of the style of music that she performs, and because of the lack of any type of buzz around her.  To those in radio she was just another person from American Idol.  

    Instead of just aimlessly playing shows, I hope that Haley is able to find some direction.  Emeli Sande hasn’t had a lot of luck breaking in the US, and her music sounds a lot like Haley’s.  I don’t think that they are a perfect fit for any radio format, but Emeli Sande has found a lot of success in the UK.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Shirley Halperin from THR is all but confirming what we have heard.
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/idol-worship/haley-reinhart-interscope-part-ways-393504

  • springboard2

    It wasn’t Interscope’s job to keep Haley in the public eye. That job belonged to her management.

    No, but Interscope works with 19, and if they had been interested, 19 would have done more. It didn’t seem to me that any part of TPTB at any point put much effort into supporting her.

    As for Emily Sande, in my opinion, the comparison with her music supports my point that there was little effort put into Haley’s album production and styling.

  • Xentusk

    I was hoping beyond hope that her management would at least allow her to be showcased around the UK at least.  I really think they would eat up everything about her….

    I hope they consider that market in her future endeavours….she’d kill it :D

  • girlygirltoo

    They aren’t “aimlessly playing shows” — touring is the major revenue stream for 99% of artists… and they are getting their new music out to a live audience, which is much better than sitting around doing nothing.

  • DragonFly

    Yes, things are done & money is spent to promote signed Idols.  Is it equal? 
    Even an Idol Winner who strikes a lucky hit song can tell us a story about many doors more easily opening than is the norm (not w/any snark here, it’s a fact).    It’s expensive & I agree some labels/promoters don’t always know how to get it done.  It doesn’t reflect on the alums as failing but a harsh fact that sales success and/or radio hit is all they are looking at & it better be instant & lasting!  It seems if you can’t even dream of breaking into that “Big Name” Saturated Top 10 HitsList on radio— a “parting of ways” will haunt before that “ink” is dry these sad days.   Blaming their music or abilities is ridiculous.  Few of us could hold a candle to what they’ve accomplished or endured to get as far as they do. 

  • elliegrll

    They aren’t “aimlessly playing shows”

    Who is they?  My post wasn’t about anyone but Haley, and my wish that she have some direction and a plan.  

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Please note that I’m not the one to bring Scotty into this discussion–I liked earlier posts wishing Haley well.  I am pretty much purely a country music fan and even I loved some of her performances on Idol.  I really hope she finds her niche–and success.

    As far as country music ignoring Scotty–and Lauren, too, by the way–the only place I see them not having complete home runs is in top radio hits.  They’ve been welcomed with open arms in every other way…the Opry is including the both in special events, CMA Fest had Scotty on the big stage where people fight for years to get a spot, Country Weekly and Country People magazines feature Scotty in almost every issue and Lauren’s in there, too.  Country Aircheck, the emails for industry people, you name it. When Scotty falls off a stage, everyone and I mean djs, talk about it.  

    So, that’s not being ignored…

  • standtotheright

    Oh, I never discount the ways that artistic communities embrace any AI alumni. I think most of them (including McCreery and Alaina) have support from influential people.

    But I do think that many/most radio PDs (which was the initial context of the conversation) do have a bias against AI and it takes something really significant for an alumnus to get extensive radio play these days (see Home). I don’t think that every single deserves to go Top 10 (far from it), but I do feel like AI alumni singles have significant headwinds and have to be excellent-to-superlative to chart as well as decent-to-good singles from others.

    I’m not trying to take away from other realms of success; I’m simply saying that DJs and PDs aren’t making the same quality assessments on AI alumni material that they are for others and that does present some limits on how well they can be expected to do in getting airplay and making new fans.

  • Valarie

    What is Allison Iraheta doing these days? I would buy. Ticket to a club show with Allison and Haley.

  • Pippygirl

    I’d be right there with you. I was just thinking about Allison and how she seems to have almost completely dropped off the radar. :(

  • KelseyW

    Sigh…First Kris and now Haley. Those two talented folks have TOO much in common I’m afraid. :(

    Like Kris I’ll continue to support Haley. I only hope that she never stops making music and will get a shot at another record deal at some point. Also like Kris she has a ton of potential musically, and their kind of music isn’t one you can fit neatly in a box. Said box includes “Jazz Only”, and “Caley Team Up Only.” Haley’s always at fine form vocally with both, but she’s great at many other genres as well. And being talented at multiple genres=songs/albums with variety. Which is never a bad thing. I’ll buy whatever music she releases in the future though. Her voice is too lovely to ignore. <3

    "Listen Up!" is a fantastic album, and I'm pissed more people didn't get to find that out for themselves. There's been a silly back and forth "what if" album argument going on for awhile now…And frankly? I'm glad she put out an album she was 100% involved in, and didn't throw one out there just to make a quick buck during the peak shopping season. It was definitely worth the wait and is one of the few Idol albums that without a doubt represented the person I fell in love with on the show. I'm also glad she didn't have a lead single I ended up hating,(I guess saying I like "Free" would be an unpopular opinion around Idol land, but screw it. I still get chills when I hear the piano intro.)that I actually heard said single on the radio more than once, and that her music is still being promoted very well by a VERY awesome song publisher.

    I hope she can find better management who will help get her touring gigs. Singers need good management/promo period. If Kris could go out on a fall tour sans label and she couldn't with one I mean…Come on. It's ridiculous, and says a lot. How can these people grow as artists, expand their fan base/make current fans happy, and make an honest living if they don't get to tour in some form? :/

    The music biz is nuts and it intends to tick me off more than once in my lifetime that's for sure. *LongRantFromASadAndBitterFanOver*

     

  • EmmaCT

    One of my three favorite Idol contestants ever – Idol opens the door and a long journey begins. The possibility of being plucked from obscurity to superstardom is 1 in 1 million – but the possibility of getting the entree from obscurity to build a career is endless. She is an amazing live performer as well as recording artist; I’m looking forward to her future.

  • Valarie

    Kris is blessed to have Stirling McIlwaine believing in him. Stirling guided Kris’ first successful era and knows what he can do. Haley should flee 19M as soon as she can, or she will always be in line behind the new Idol crop.

    The 19M contract appears to be 3 years for winners and 2 for finalists. Is this correct?

  • irockhard

    I hope not! I want James to leave them now!

  • springboard2

    19 has never made a lot of effort in the past, so why would things be
    different now, when they are basically working with a much smaller
    staff? It’s not like those at 19 have ever shown a lot of creativity
    beyond just booking someone to appear on American Idol.

    They do when they want to, and they did with Pia, in terms of post idol support, whereas they let Haley fall into oblivion until her album dropped. It never seemed to me that Haley was supported by either Idol producers, or 19 or Jimmy.
    She was a third place finisher, and usually they are left to get on with what they have got, but compared to Pia (until her single failed), Haley got little support, imo.
    In terms of label support, or lack of, her single was supposed to have been picked during the Idol tour from a small list, before even the rest of the album was done.  And the album production, in my opinion, was done on the cheap.  Combined with little buzz, a late release, she had little chance. It looks to me as if the label was throwing something out there hoping it sticks,  while keeping her off the market..

  • jpfan2

     Haley got a single and got to do it on Idol.  The issue is with radio. If you don’t put out a single that fits a radio genre, it won’t get played. That’s the problem right there and Haley isn’t the only one to suffer from it.

    It doesn’t matter how talented someone is if they can’t connect to what radio is playing.  Adele is a phenom that comes around once in a decade if that.

  • Tess

    I don’t think “blaming” a record label for the inability of any Artist to “make it” is painting with a pretty broad brush that just doesn’t take into account that it takes fans and purchasers to be impressed with that person and their music.  Many, many talented people fall by the wayside and the few who make it are often more lucky then exceptionally talented.  

    Over the last 12 years of Idol and with “all” the new shows producing more winners and finalists it is glaringly apparent that the road to success has little to do with the “opportunity” and much more to do with how someone translates that into becoming a viable commodity.

    Fans of any of those who were given a wonderful opportunity should be grateful these kids at least had a chance…that is a lot more than most hopefuls ever receive and to insinuate that the only reason someone failed is because someone else didn’t do their job isn’t very realistic.  If peeps just don’t want to buy what you are selling no amount of corporate energy thrown your way can alleviate that issue.

  • Valarie

    19M always seems to sign a handful of finalists that they either don’t believe in or don’t know how to market. IMO, it is done to keep them from signing with another agency while they are hot off the show, and perhaps eclipsing their chosen snowflake.

  • richhahn

    Haley needs to learn that every time she performs, she needs to be a star.  She has a great voice, but needs to act like a star, not like she is singing in her dad’s band. 

    Too many lackluster performances by Haley on youtube.  She should have a videographer with her at all performances to create a professional video for youtube.  Poor quality phone videos don’t do Haley any favors.

    Study what The Civil Wars did to become successful.  Use social media to stay in touch with fans.  Look at Pentatonix.  They keep putting out videos of trending songs so they get some hits from people searching for a certain song or artist, and then wins them over.  They also do a lot of shows on college campuses.  In less than a year, they put out a full album and a Christmas EP. 

    Haley’s got the voice to be a star, but she hasn’t shown she has the will and the drive to be one.  When Haley had the Idol band behind her she was a star, when she has just a guitar, she is not.

  • springboard2

     I agree, and perhaps this why she has had so much support. May be she just doesn’t have what it takes, for now at least.

  • thedeviledadvocate

        If not for American Idol, chances are that I would never have heard of Haley Reinhart. If not for Interscope Records and 19r, chances are Listen Up may never have been made, and chances are the music video Free would not exist. So, AI, IR, and 19R, thank you very much for giving Haley Reinhart an excellent opportunity to introduce her abilities to a fairly decent sized audience.
     

        I sincerely hope Haley continues to pursue a musical career, and finds a way to produce more original music that will be made available for her fans, like myself, to purchase and enjoy. If the worst case scenario happens, and Haley fades away like so many, many others, then, I will be thankful for Listen Up, and the itunes downloads of her performances on Idol.
     

        I love her growl, I love the way she sings, but most of all, I love her voice. I really wouldn’t care if she was singing the phonebook, the dictionary, or Green Eggs and Ham, I just absolutely love the sound of her voice.

        I am disappointed that her career has not skyrocketed, mainly because I am a little selfish and wanted more originals from Haley. Because her song Free had only moderate success, and the seemingly ill-timed Listen Up barely blipped on Billboard, it looks as though it may be awhile before Haley gets an opportunity to release a sophomore album (if ever). I do hope Haley overcomes what seems to be an AI curse on most Idol Alumni not named Kelly or Carrie (lol, just kidding).

        Anyway, I hope Haley finds some way to produce and release more of her original songs, Things tend to happen for a reason, and perhaps parting ways with
    Interscope will prove to be the best thing that has happened to Haley Reinhart since her performance of House of the Rising Sun.

  • Caro3278sweet

    Not surprised. Not really sad either. Haley (like Kris, Lee, Crystal) has always struck me as a indie artist at heart. She blends genres, which I love, but radio: not so much. So I don’t see her ever cracking the radio gig. But there are many, many artists that make a living in music without getting radio play. 

    I guess my biggest beef on all this is her management and how little they tried to get her on a tour. Like richhahn just said – she needs polish. And the best way to do this is get her out there and interacting with crowds. Small crowds can lead to bigger crowds. And more fans than her AI base. Why her mgmt didn’t do this befuddles me. 

    I just look at CaseyJ – I would say he had a smaller fan base coming off the show than Haley – yet he has consistently been doing show after show after show. At first, he was extremely stiff (just as he was on the show), but the difference now? Wowza. The guy connects completely. He is no longer the guy playing in the background at the bar you go to on Friday night.That comes from experience and lots and lots of shows. His mgmt has come thru for him. 

    I wish Haley the best and will continue to follow her to see what music she comes up with in the future. And my bet is there will be future music. I would just tell her “girl – get away from that mgmt of yours and learn how to present yourself as a star.”

  • LA944

     I never thought of Casey as stiff on the show or live in concert. I think he was one of the most comfortable up there. (especially considering how sick he was) I saw that season’s AI tour–and he seemed to really connect with the audience.

    I watched videos of him shortly after the tour doing a rock-n-roll marathon concert  in Vegas and he was amazing. It seemed that he had been doing it all his life.

    But, no question touring will help any performer. Casey plays instruments–so he has more to offer an audience in that way.He can amaze them on the stand up and do all that. Haley may be a little more stiff–but I think she is really just kind of a laid back personality.

  • potatorocks

    Casey James was stiff.  Casey Abrams was not stiff.

  • Xentusk

    Things are looking up for me as a Halien….  Keith Phelps, her keyboardist tweeted this, after being asked his status after yesterday’s news

    Keith Phelps?@KEiTHPHELPS
    @DevinJKrueger rest assured…I’m still w Haley ;)

    —–                

    Keith Phelps?@KEiTHPHELPS
    @DevinJKrueger can’t really discuss all that, but I’m sure Haley and her team will keep u posted on all that

    I’ve been fortunate to see Haley live a few times, and Keith is an extremely talented musician IMO, and I often enjoy watching him perform with joy and exuberance while he’s on stage.  He adds a nuanced take on Haley’s songs that makes going to Haley’s live performances that much better.

    Glad he’s still planning to continue on with Haley. :D

  • iani

    It’s sad to hear of another idol parting ways with a major label; Haley has spent her time in the last 1 1/2 year chasing and tasting the “fame” that AI has given to many other idols also, with a genre that doesn’t sell or make you famous to general audience. I’ve said sometimes, she may not sell millions of records but she may make millions doing this kind of music to selected audience, like Matt Giraud does(talking of music). Pave your way in your genre, take the opportunity of the third place finisher of AI and send demos to the jazz “community”, introduce yourself and show what you can do, focused to aim the right label and people of your “kind of music”. She abandoned that “magic” that was created during AI with the Casey A-duet and many were talking about like “where Casey is, Haley is there too”, to sing at Lollapalooza with mama and papa, sister too(?). Many were happy when some song-collaboration with Casey  have popped, I think more of the “magic duet” should  happen more often, maybe even touring together. “Nothing” has been lost here from MPOV, just to start now over and do her craft shine in the right place/community.

  • OffLeash

    It’s a different era now with Interscope/UMG in charge. It looks like after their experience with Pia and Haley, they’re not willing to take a chance on the finalists anymore the way Sony/RCA used to.

    I believe the Pia/Haley Interscope debacle forced Jimmy to reconsider the contract with Idol, which led to different terms this year for the runner up for instance. AFAIK, P2 and Jessica are the only ones under Interscope, and Colton under some other UMG label. Sony would probably have taken a chance with more finalists if you look at their record with Idols.

    Jimmy’s all business. The one positive thing for Haley is that Jimmy let her go right away instead of half-heartedly continuing their unhappy collab for another year or two like happened with Sony and other alums, and which led to nothing but a huge waste of precious time for the artist.

  • girlygirltoo

    She has done the occasional show here in L.A. and other places and is working on her music, but I haven’t heard about whether she is going to be putting out an album or EP or doing any sort of tour anytime soon.

  • girlygirltoo

    I doubt Matt G is making millions. He barely performs outside the state of Michigan and he hasn’t ever released any of his music since he went on Idol. He is basically a local artist right now — now he can certainly make a nice living doing that, but not “millions”. But then again, as long as he’s happy doing what he’s doing, that’s the key.

    Same thing with Haley. It’s unlikely she will make millions of dollars as an artist, although it’s a nice thought. But as long as she can find a way to support herself and keep making music, keep doing what she loves, she’ll be just fine.

  • DragonFly

    This says a mouthful for me:  “19M always seems to sign a handful of finalists that they either don’t believe in or don’t know how to market. IMO, it is done to keep them from signing with another agency while they are hot off the show, and perhaps eclipsing their chosen snowflake.
    I remember when Simon Cowell pompously declared: “I don’t create stars for other labels.”  —You have to know that’s part of it. 

  • iani

    I’ve  mentioned in the parenthesis for Matt-talking about music not making money. Good to hear he is known in his Michigan jazz community, I’ve read time to time here about him performing with his piano more than other more successful idols in the more successful genre, even having a duet with Anna Wilson, not bad for a saved idol on wildcard.

    I’m talking about making mill. in a life-career, not over a year.   mill. of $ during a musical life carrier in your niche genre. Flying from nest to nest like the cuckoo bird, to find your success in more famous niche/ format, doesn’t make you always more money, but more to empty your pocket.

  • http://twitter.com/ALIXAVIER AXG

    Great album, horrible promotion and no second single, she never even got on any big shows.. 

  • OffLeash

    I don’t really have high expectations for Haley as a solo artist. tbh, her one chance at staying alive and even succeeding in the business is to pair up with Casey. 

  • Montavilla

    I believe the Pia/Haley Interscope debacle forced Jimmy to reconsider the contract with Idol, which led to different terms this year for the runner up for instance. AFAIK, P2 and Jessica are the only ones under Interscope, and Colton under some other UMG label. Sony would probably have taken a chance with more finalists if you look at their record with Idols.

    The Idol contract was changed before Haley had a chance to fail.  The contract would have to be ready before Season 11 started.  Maybe those contracts are signed as late as January/February, or maybe in December (before Hollywood week starts), but most likely the prizes need to be sorted out before auditions begin.  That would have been not long after Haley was signed and that would be very soon for Jimmy to start thinking of Haley as a mistake — especially since she wouldn’t have had time to do any recording yet.

    Moreover, there’s nothing in the Idol contract that obligated Jimmy to sign either Haley or Pia.  The only two that were promised anything were Lauren and Scotty, who ended up doing pretty well.  

    I think the change makes sense because it does put a big burden on these labels to market two singers every year.  At least Interscope has an out if the runner-up is a total wash-out.  And they still have the option, if the runner-up is more marketable than the winner, to promote the hell of that album and take a loss on the winner.  This just gives them a little more flexibility in ditching the runner-up if they choose.

  • Montavilla

    For what it’s worth, I think Haley could have an amazing career if she could team up with a jazz band.  I keep thinking of her as fronting a band like Pink Martini, which has a very retro sound, but does modern material.  Or if, say, Harry Connick, Jr. felt like adding a sexy blonde torch singer to his line-up.

    I think she’d need to join an existing band, rather than creating her own — just because it’s really hard and expensive to put together an ensemble like that.  But she would be a real asset.  Partly because she’s on TV and famous, but also because she’s gorgeous, charismatic, and can sing her face off.  Plus, she’s got serious musical/songwriting chops.

  • LA944

     OK-I see the J after Casey now. I was wondering –because I had never read that about Casey A before. HA!

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Agreed.

  • OffLeash

    Moreover, there’s nothing in the Idol contract that obligated Jimmy to sign either Haley or Pia.  The only two that were promised anything were Lauren and Scotty, who ended up doing pretty well. 

    Where did I ever say that Jimmy had to sign Haley? Some will disagree, of course, but I believe Jimmy signed Haley for the same reason he signed Pia: because he thought she was more popular than she really was, and would make good money for the label.

    If you remember the amount of buzz and activity generated by her rabid fanbase, it’s easy to see how Jimmy could’ve been mistaken. Pia’s buzz IMO came more from the media than any organized fanbase. 

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Not sure if it’s her only chance, but I really do think they’d do better as a duo of some sort, for a while at least.

  • OffLeash

    Oh I agree. They should start as a duo, but once established enough, they could go on to solo careers. But the duo with Casey would be the fastest and more likely way for them to become more successful in their niche IMO. 

  • http://twitter.com/emarzek04 M Razman

    I completely agree with you EliteHalien. Couldnt have said it better myself. 

  • http://twitter.com/emarzek04 M Razman

    I completely agree with you EliteHalien. As one Haley fan to another, I couldnt have said it better myself. Get lost mileyfan123!!!!

  • irockhard

    Well Jimmy eventually realized that Pia finished 9th for a reason, he should have listen to Nigel who insisted that she was never a frontrunner. Scotty, Lauren and James were leading the votes for almost the entire season according to him, and as of today those 3 are the most successful alums to come out of S10 and all 3 are now moving into their 2nd eras.

    As for Haley, the real size of her fanbase shouldn’t be that surprising, she spent much of her run in the B3, and only started to stand out after Casey was eliminated. Then James had an off night and she gave what many considered the performance of the season (HORTS). TBH while that performance was great (I personally think IWHN was actually better), it would not have stood out as moment if James didn’t have an off night. Then the judges threw her under the bus and the audience, wanting to be part of a reality TV moment, power voted her to safety. Haley’s rise on Idol was due more to others falling (Casey, James) and the judges throwing her under the bus than her own efforts.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Yep, I’ve thought that from when they did Moanin’ on the show. Magic.

    Casey? Haley? Ya listening???? We want more music!

    ETA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJM4jreIn6M

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

     “Emotionally perfect” James had more than one off night.

  • windmills

    elliegrll: It wasn’t Interscope’s job to keep Haley in the public eye.  That job belonged to her management.  Interscope was responsible with trying to get radio to play her song, but that was going to be hard because of the style of music that she performs, and because of the lack of any type of buzz around her.  To those in radio she was just another person from American Idol.  

    I’ve definitely come around to think that post-Idol management is crucial to building a foundation for these Idols to make up for record labels who don’t know what to do if their acts can’t crack radio. I feel like those acts that hang onto major label deals despite little to no radio support are the ones that have developed market niches for themselves in other ways that show their labels there is a path for fanbase growth. Sometimes developing your own market niche can even be the basis for radio play. 
    Live show are definitely a part of that but there has to be more to it, a lot of targeted media (TV, internet), and just figuring out how the entry level gigs that will start to gain you access to possible new fans. I know people have talked about the strong “incubator” system in country but even there, opening gigs for the big headliners aren’t always the career boosters they used to be and are harder to come by lately, so targeted marketing has become more and more crucial. 

    In Haley’s case I never saw much of a marketing plan other than “let’s hope sultry retro soul catches on beyond Adele” from her label or management. She had some other cool gigs here and there but it didn’t add up to enough and I think it was because her team didn’t know what to do with her. This has always been the thing with Idol management – they know how to milk name recognition for high profile gigs but they’ve never been very good with grassroots career building in target markets. Maybe Haley also didn’t have a crystal clear sense of career direction either. 

    Haley’s album was a solid and coherent statement of identity, it’s a shame it didn’t catch on somewhere because I feel like there’s an audience for it somewhere. I don’t think that audience was likely to be found on mainstream pop or HAC radio though. I hope she can work with her management to build up more of a live schedule through festival gigs and multi-act bills. Maybe she can start regionally and build from there. Good luck to her. 

  • justmefornow

    I too always thought the true popularity of S10 would be revealed in sales after the season was over. And it was.

    The same way this past season there was such an uproar over P2 vs Jessica and the possible “illegal voting”, lol. So ridiculous. 
    It started to be revealed even early on in those dismal EP sales. Sales don’t lie.

    I said then too, wait until after the season is over and look at the sales numbers. P2 is doing just great. Even before “Home’s” success he was way ahead of all of them in EP sales. How will Jessica do with her album? Who knows, but I’ll bet no where even close to P2’s success. Or even Colton’s success. I’ll bet even he will outsell her.
    She’ll probably be in Haley’s position a year from now.

    P2 and Colton will probably be the only success stories from S11 (and I don’t even like Colton, lol.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    Haley released her album six months after James and had bigger debut week sales. James’ album sales jumped 520% after he appeared on Idol. Haley also appeared on idol but her album didn’t go on sale until two months later.

  • potatorocks

    Why do you think colton will do well? I can’t imagine him being a success story.    Jessica will have a lucrative career in Asia regardless of what happens in the US.  She is set I think.    But what about Josh—Jimmy  kept saying “when we make a record together” and then didn’t even sign the kid.    Hailey and Casey releasing something together would be a great idea.  The sooner the better I think.  Maybe even put out a jazzy christmas release just to keep themselves in peoples hearts and minds for a while.

  • justmefornow

    James outsold Haley 28k to 20k in their respective debut weeks. It’s very easy to look up.
    Regardless, he went on to sell 3x as much as she did, on an Indie label with less promo and in an even smaller niche rock market and no radio hits as well.

    As for Idol performance appearances, Haley had a single out at the time she went on Idol and her album out at the time she had national appearances on Conan and The View. How were her sales after these appearances?

    James sales were indeed great after his Idol appearance, I guess he was still really popular, as I’ve previously stated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    Colton has had wide exposure to a narrow target market. Many will purchase his music because of what he stands for even if they don’t really dig the final product.

  • girlygirltoo

    Casey & Haley put out a Christmas single last year, didn’t they?

  • justmefornow

    It’s just a hunch about Colton and his chosen niche market. We’ll see, but I think he’ll do ok. 
    I agree about Joshua, the kid is very talented, but I think Jimmy thought twice about signing him after seeing Pia and Haley flop.
    Jessica may be successful in Asia, for her sake I hope so because I don’t see her doing anything here.
    And Haley will do much better with Casey, they did have a Xmas song together last year, than anything on her own, JMO. 

  • girlygirltoo

    Colton has targeted a very specific market — the contemporary Christian world. Both his music and his image fit that market, so he has a good chance to be a successful niche artist. He isn’t trying to be a mainstream artist or sell a bazillion records.

  • durbesque

    I have heard very little of Haley or Casey since Idol, but I did catch their performances at the Carnegie Hall concert.  I have to agree with the New York Times on this…they sounded like amateurs.  The small jazz community is far too sophistocated to accept them at this time…maybe later. 

    In the meantime, as a Duo, do they have enough fans to fill small venues at least for occasional concerts?  This could keep them eating while they hone their craft.

  • mason williams

    looks like interscope might be worst than rca,sucks for haley but her and casey as a group together, yes please

  • http://twitter.com/ronnydias Ronny Dias

    7 nov

    Haley Reinhart
    ?@HaleyReinhart

    In the studio again.. Feels damn good!
    Epic song finished. Can’t wait for you all to hear ittt!!!! Soon I hope!!!!

    There you have it. Crossing my fingers to have the chance to enjoy it!

  • irockhard

    False.

  • irockhard

    No, James’ debut week sales were higher, not by much (28k as opposed to her 20k), but higher still. His Idol EP also outsold hers.

  • irockhard

    A fan explains what went wrong, this is an excellent read: http://kenny-poo.blogspot.com/2012/11/interscope-chapter-closes-for-haley.html

  • irockhard

    Interestingly she sold the exact same amount of albums as her Idol EP (59k), and that’s the bottom line: For various reasons, she failed to expand her fanbase beyond her core Idol fans.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    19 signs everybody with some potential and then promotes only the chosen ones (not necessarily a winner), while keeping everybody else at bay or even destroying their potential careers by sabotaging their promotion.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    19 signs everybody with some potential and then promotes only the chosen ones (not necessarily a winner), while keeping everybody else at bay or even destroying their potential careers by sabotaging their promotion.

  • Memphis Applegate

     People don’t seem to understand that there are many many outstanding singers out there.  Perhaps millions.  But as you say, a singer has to “catch” – move the numbers – sell product.  That is the bottom line.  

  • Karen C

    Yes, there are many outstanding singers, but the ones that make it on the singing competitions have millions of fans that know who they are and that vote for them.  For some reason, this isn’t translating into record sales, though some are more successful than others. If the record companies can take someone unknown and promote them, why can’t they do the same for the idols.  I think there’s more to it than not catching on.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XY62PETGTXO3FFQXX45UKQ2O7M Steph

    S10 there was a huge number of people predicting that Scotty would flop and Haley (and Pia) would be the season’s breakout star(s).

    Scotty is a multi-platinum, award-winning breakout artist while Haley has now been dropped by her label after a failed launch. Pia never even really got to be launched. She just got a horrible single (and probably a lot of grief after she refused to sleep with Jimmy and his homies) before being shown the exit.

    It just goes to show that no one can really predict who will be successful and who will flop post-show. P2 is having a more successful career than Jessica Sanchez and not many people predicted that, either.

  • OffLeash

    Disturbing! I hope you’re wrong, and Jimmy isn’t using his position to get or reward sexual favors from female Idols by signing them, only to discard them when they refuse or he gets tired of them. I know it’s pervasive in this business, but dangit, they’re supposed to leave Idols alone. In my world anyway. 

  • Mateja Praznik

    James had one off week? James had an off week practically every week. Haley totally deserved to finish ahead of him on Idol. She gave about five fantastic performances during the season, HOTRS was just one of them.

    The reality is, country teens were the ones that built fanbases during season 10. Others, not so much.

    If Haley and James both released their post Idol albums at the same time, I don’t think there would be much of a difference in numbers.

  • Mateja Praznik

    We will see if James managed to expand his fanbase when his sophomore album drops. No sooner.

  • mileyfan123

    Do you have any proof about that accusation? Because that is a pretty terrible thing to make up.

  • OffLeash

    James will get dropped if he doesn’t sell enough sophomore albums to make money for the label, just like everybody else. In his favor is the fact that indie labels don’t need to sell as many copies as major labels to make a profit.

    At least, he got to learn from his debut album and gets a chance to improve on the first, or rectify his trajectory if needed. Whether he’ll succeed or not is a whole ‘nother story, but like with all talent show alums, odds are against him. There’s always someone new and exciting on the next talent show ready to steal the limelight.

  • justmefornow

    That Pia and Haley scenario is very disturbing if there is any truth to it. I truely hope Jimmy was thinking with his head and not other body parts when signing them. 

    For the record I always thought Scotty and P2 would be more successful than lower placed finishers in their seasons. Frankly I never saw star quality in Pia, Haley or Jessica, but that’s just me.

    As for James expanding his fan base, I hope he does expand it more with album#2.  He already has to some extent with album #1. Album #1 sold 100k to his Idol base, and another 50k sold from touring to fans of the bands he opened for. 
    Hope he has just as a successful tour with album #2.
    Actually good luck to all of them. This is one tough cutthroat business.

  • irockhard

    Revisionist history. Top 5 (CTTE, WY) was James’ only weak night, every other performance ranged from very good (IBTFY, LFTC, SNAFF, WMGGW, DSB, LP#9) to outstanding (YGATC, MIA, HM, Uprising, WYSLMT).

    Haley was very rough in the early rounds, her later good performances doesn’t cancel out anyone else’s good performances.

  • irockhard

    As long as James is kept busy with live performances he’ll be fine.

  • irockhard

    James isn’t in a market that is crowded with Idol alums, and at this stage in this career shouldn’t still be trying to appeal to Idol viewers.

  • halo9125

     IF- and I mean a huge BIG IF- this is an accurate scenario and THAT was the reason my Pia was “shown the exit”- then I say more power to her for having the morals and person integrity to not compromise herself in order to have a career.

  • OffLeash

    If James did indeed sell 50k outside the bubble and 100k to his Idol fanbase, hopefully for him he’ll still manage to sell some of his upcoming CD to some of the latter, although there’s evidence many already moved on.

    He needs to sell the next album to the same “concert” 50k, then at least another 50k to new concert goers and/or remaining Idol fans. Probably more than that actually to get a third album. As for 19M, he can’t ditch them until they’re ready to ditch him or his contract expires, so who knows when that’ll happen.

  • irockhard

    OK while “sleeping your way to the top” is not unheard of in the entertainment industry, somehow I can’t picture this being true.

  • OffLeash

    I agree. If true, good for her, as it would show integrity. Not to mention she didn’t approve of the direction Jimmy wanted to take her either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    She’s a great personality, she will bounce back.  I see TV in her future.  Maybe it should have been released as a 4 song EP?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    someone mentioned Lana Del Rey….yep, she’s still on the label and they’re pouring money at her promotions trying to make her a star.  I wonder if her “closeness” to Jimmy is why she’s still on label?

  • irockhard

    What evidence are you working with? That SCIBIT didn’t crack the iTunes top 1000? Stand Up didn’t do so either when it was released to iTunes. I’ve seen some tweeters I recognize who have clearly moved on but I don’t see a any evidence for a significant drop in Idol fans. A drop yes? I see it. A big one? No.

  • irockhard

    LOL who knows, but I think that is more plausible than Haley or Pia.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    What Haley needs is “luck”….she needs JenHud luck.  Do you think JenHud would be where she is without Dreamgirls?  No way.  It’s all about Luck people.

  • OffLeash

    Yes, SCIBIT was a clue for me, obviously not for you. As is the very low number of still active twitter fans, and low fansite activity. No point arguing about it anyway. All I can say is I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Haley got plenty of push.  She was on the LOLLA circuit, she was on View, late night shows, everywhere.  The song just didn’t catch on.  The video was hot.  You guys gotta remember, unless You’re Beyonce, who owns everything she does, the videos the studio times, promotions are covered by the record company.  They want hits right out the box.  How much longer do you think XF winners will be kept on the contract?

  • OffLeash

    Some songs catch on when they get TV/TV show/movie exposure, but most don’t. There are only very few songs that got this type of exposure outside radio and managed to grab people’s attention. Free wasn’t one of them. We’ll never know if other tracks might have worked better, although I think either Oh My or Undone, or both got some movie or TV show exposure.

  • irockhard

    Lower activity? What is there to talk about non stop 24/7? He’s recording and doesn’t give out many teasers. It’s not like he’s on tour, on the Idol tour, out doing promo, ect. Plus it’s the holidays now.

  • justmefornow

    No current touring = low fansite activity, not much to talk about.

    He needs to get another tour going after the Holidays. That’s where his strength lies. And he needs to be touring right before the album comes out next spring, maybe previewing new songs off the album. 

    No one is going to expand their fanbase sitting home, not being visible for long periods of time, especially early in their career. 
    This is what hurt Kris Allen.

  • OffLeash

    Agreed about Kris Allen, although not touring might not have been his own choice, idk. Also agree with your comment about what a tough business it is. It’s to the point it’s a wonder some of those Idols still manage to sell right after the show. There might come a day when they won’t find enough people to buy even their post show album (Lee excluded.)

  • irockhard

    THIS THIS THIS SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It hurt David Cook as well.

  • KatMyers

    Beginning to sound like you’re one of the fans that have moved on lol.

    When you say “low fansite activity”  I’m not really sure what you mean because most of James’ fansites are actually closed and I remember you saying you weren’t a part of those.  I was part of several and can tell you that there is regular posting and discussion that goes on there.  That I have quit all but one says nothing other than I grew weary of the BS that goes on when bscray crays get together on 1 site.  Sometimes people drop off for weeks or months but come back when they have a minute.  Some, like me for instance, don’t contribute much until something compels them to do so.  I’m not saying that drop off hasn’t occurred, I’m saying we don’t actually know how much is real and how much is people just going back to real lives and not spending every waking minute posting.

    For example, I think we all know irockhard is a diehard James fan but I do not see her posting in the one remaining group I am in very often.  To assume she has moved on would be a mistake.  (sorry irockhard, but I didn’t think you would mind being cited as an example lol)  I could name others but they wouldn’t necessarily be known here.  Same with me.  Don’t post or tweet but make no mistake, still a diehard.  And while I rarely post, I do read and am continually amused by how repeatedly, each year, proclamations are made of who will be the break out star and who will rise to the top despite being voted off early and despite history telling us otherwise.  Seems we never learn from the previous year lol.

    Let’s also not forget that rock fans tend to be much more loyal than any other genre (except maybe country) and if they are true fans they stay fans for life.  The next era will be a better gauge of fanbase retention ….  How many times have we heard it said that twitter followers and facebook likes etc. don’t equate to sales yet we rely on activity in those medium, or lack thereof, as some sort of gauge on where the fanbase is headed.

    In any event, this thread is about Haley not Kris or Scotty or James or any other Idol alum.  We can make all sorts of rationalizations about how it came to be she split with Interscope but none of that matters.  The only thing that does matter is that she was dropped and where she goes from here.  Was it a mistake not dropping an album sooner?  Who knows.  Casey J. waited quite a bit longer and seems to be doing OK, but every case is different.  I wish Haley well.  She is talented and if she perseveres she has as good a shot as any to make it. 

  • Mateja Praznik

     Lana Del Rey sold 2-3 million album worldwide + a nice number of singles, so no, she is with Interscope because her music is selling.

  • OffLeash

    Just trying to look at the data “objectively” like I try to when it comes to any Idol in this very difficult climate for them. It’s more curiosity and interest in stats in general for talent show contestants really. But I wont lie, I won’t buy his sophomore album if I don’t like it. If that’s what to move on means, then I did indeed.

    idk how many CDs Casey sold, nor how many he’s expected to sell to get a sophomore album, although I doubt he’s expected to sell 100k.

  • KatMyers

    A great example of a new artist who broke out despite not being in front of 20+ million weekly for 3 months and an inability to give a good live performance.  Go figure!  Guess she’s got the “X” factor that our special snowflakes don’t lol.

  • KatMyers

    No one should buy an album they don’t like just because they are a fan. I won’t buy a whole album I don’t like either, but I will buy tracks I do like.

    As for looking at data objectively, I personally have come to the conclusion that there just is no point lol.  Objective data bears no relation to reality, at least where reality show contestants are concerned.

  • OffLeash

    “Objectively” here is still too subjective since we’re missing too much insider data LOL. But that’s what people do in most Idol discussion threads like in this blog. I’m trying not to overestimate my personal snowflakes. In fact, I probably tend to be harder on them in an attempt to avoid overestimating them. ;)

    Oh, and I do buy tracks I like. Happens more often than me buying a whole album.

  • irockhard

    Fair and well but some of your latest comments had me SMH, considering this: 

    http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=688289

  • chillj

    This is truly too bad.  I hope, however, she eventually puts out a jazz album, as jazz seems more appropriate than pop for her voice.  I bought her album, but do not like much of it; I think she can and will do a lot better.

  • chillj

    The bottom line really is the quality of song on the album they eventually release; too often the songs are marginal, as if the record label thinks the development of a fan base is enough to carry a good singer.    Some reality show contestants have stellar style and pipes, but that simply is not good enough:  they need decent lyrics, good hooks, developed melodies.

  • KatMyers

    “A fan explains what went wrong, this is an excellent read: http://kenny-poo.blogspot.com/…”

    I agree – a good read and right on point.I would add one more point to the article.  In any business, especially the cut throat entertainment business, there is no room for being laid back.  My impression, and I could be entirely wrong given I don’t know her personally, Haley never was aggressive rather very laid back.  History is full of formerly successful people in the entertainment industry who just fell by the curb because they rode the tails of momentary fame.  Every day is a new day and a new fight. Try to ride the wave for an extended period and the wave just disappears …

    As for the article’s point on gigs, I’m pretty sure that was discussed in a thread here a while ago.  Booking gigs is easier said than done I believe.  The headliner has to want you in order for the booking to occur.  The headliner has to believe the opener brings something to the table and suits their show.  I remember big names endorsing Scotty and Lauren and James.  Who were the big names endorsing Haley – not actors, but singers who might have her join as opener?  This is actually a real question, not rhetorical, since I didn’t ever follow Haley all that closely.

  • Montavilla

    Who were the big names endorsing Haley – not actors, but singers who might have her join as opener?  This is actually a real question, not rhetorical, since I didn’t ever follow Haley all that closely.

    I forget what “names” endorsed Haley while she was on American Idol.  Other than Adam, that is.  And Lady Gaga, who was a mentor on the show.   But Haley wouldn’t work for either of them as an opener, since she’s basically a torch singer.

    Haley did impress Irvin Mayfield during a post-Idol impromptu performance at his jazz club in New Orleans, leading to an invitation to sing during a concert he gave at Carnegie Hall.  

  • parsenip

    No one is going to expand their fanbase sitting home, not being visible for long periods of time, especially early in their career. This is what hurt Kris Allen.

    This is not accurate.  Kris spent next to no time “sitting home” since coming off Idol.  He toured non-stop for the first year and a half then spent a year writing for his second CD.  During that time he was always doing something to keep the fanbase engaged.  What hurt Kris is the same thing that hurt Haley – lack of radio play.  And, at least for Kris, it was not for lack of radio-friendly material.  Who “makes it” these days in the musical industrial complex has next to nothing to do with actual talent IMO, especially songwriting.  Go figure.

  • girlygirltoo

    which Casey — James or Abrams?

    Last I saw, Casey James has sold abt. 56K of his debut album. Casey Abrams has sold less than 20K of his debut album.

  • DragonFly

    Hailey, James…..imo NOT the right/or not enough Promo.  You don’t put out a good version of, in this case SCiBiT & just hope.  Compared to Sc’s Christmas album which is featured on a New Music area on Itunes front page–don’t know how it could (again w/o the right featuring) get noticed. Get it on a commercial, in ftb stadiums, radio–do they(label) want him to fail???  I find it hard to believe anyway, that fans who bought his MOABD were made aware… & just didn’t spend $1.29 to own it–?  It takes $$ or very clever, hardworking people (label/promoters) to make these kids stay in the right lane to success.  He had a boatload of the right fame during Idol, don’t need to list it if you’re a fan.  What has happened here, unless he has big-time downsized his own goals… (or someone else to him)…. is unrecognizable to This die-hard fan.  Non-fans–yes, we’ve been made well aware of your views to the contrary.  There have been just too many (yes I’ll call them Greats) Idols struggling b/c someone doesn’t know how to get it done.   And, as I think highly of those who mostly comment FOR James road to success, I find it very costly for those fans who deliberately chose not to promote his singles.  No one would talk me into turning my back on someone to the degree of nonsupport in any phase of this.  Sorry… like you all, just don’t understand this.

  • irockhard

    Hailey, James…..imo NOT the right/or not enough Promo.  You don’t put out a good version of, in this case SCiBiT & just hope.  Compared to Sc’s Christmas album which is featured on a New Music area on Itunes front page–don’t know how it could (again w/o the right featuring) get noticed. Get it on a commercial, in ftb stadiums, radio–do they(label) want him to fail???

    SCIBIT is not a single, it’s just a song he recorded for fun and put it up for sale for whoever wants to buy it, he didn’t have to do that. Doubt the label or even James is invested in it at all, why would they be?

    I find it hard to believe anyway, that fans who bought his MOABD were made aware… & just didn’t spend $1.29 to own it–?

    Stand Up didn’t crack the iTunes top 1500 either when it was released. Dunno why some are making such a big deal out of this. SCIBIT not charting on iTunes is no indication that album #2 will tank in sales. If we’re gonna use this to estimate the size of James’ fanbase, then I don’t see any evidence for a huge drop.

    It takes $$ or very clever, hardworking people (label/promoters) to make these kids stay in the right lane to success.  He had a boatload of the right fame during Idol, don’t need to list it if you’re a fan.  What has happened here, unless he has big-time downsized his own goals… (or someone else to him)…. is unrecognizable to This die-hard fan.  Non-fans–yes, we’ve been made well aware of your views to the contrary.  There have been just too many (yes I’ll call them Greats) Idols struggling b/c someone doesn’t know how to get it done.   And, as I think highly of those who mostly comment FOR James road to success, I find it very costly for those fans who deliberately chose not to promote his singles.  No one would talk me into turning my back on someone to the degree of nonsupport in any phase of this.  Sorry… like you all, just don’t understand this.

    James isn’t busy promoting anything with appearances, interviews or live performances, so there isn’t anything for the fans to talk about right now.

    I did see a few rock blogs (including the infamous hennemusic) do a write up about SCIBIT, and their reviews were positive but fewer than usual. However that’s not because there’s suddenly less interest but because SCIBIT is a cover song, they’re waiting for him to release new ORIGINAL music for them to critique.

    James please be more open with us about what you’re up to, we’re all going nuts here!

  • DragonFly

    “James please be more open with us about what you’re up to, we’re all going nuts here!”Don’t have much hope that’s going to happen that he’ll help set us straight.Thanks for replying–fans don’t honestly know where we’re at & all of these Idols dropping like flies from big labels–not into oblivion but from the successful paths we hoped possible for them, is very concerning.  This Xmas cover, to my disappoint w/o repeated play somewhere means not much can come of it & some like to suggest more from that, I know.  This lull happening is just so not James Durbin who I might add held quite well against some big name establised indiv/groups in radio contests, etc.  His lack of being “the Ego” some knocked him for (having) lol…..some of us liked that & wonder where it’s gone.

  • irockhard

    This Xmas cover, to my disappoint w/o repeated play somewhere means not much can come of it & some like to suggest more from that, I know.

    Huh? Again it’s not a single, they’re not planning to release it to radio, why would they? It’s too heavy for the HAC Xmas playlist and rock radio don’t usually play Xmas music, though interestingly one rock station did take note of it:

    https://www.facebook.com/therock1069wccc/posts/333336666765137

    Dunno if others have, I haven’t been tracking this song, there’s no reason for me to track it because, um well… it’s not a real single.

    Yeah and I miss CRAZY JAMES too :(

  • justmefornow

    Check his and Heidi’s twitter. They’ve been partying pretty much since Thanksgiving, lol.
    He’s obviously taking some family time over the Holidays. He’s entitled.

    But, if after the New Year he doesn’t get his ass in gear, line up some sort of tour, (hopefully hire a lead guitarist for said tour, I think Jeff is almost done with the BLS tour also), get himself back out there in some capacity, then I would start to worry.

    IMO, he can’t remain out of sight any longer than that.

  • DragonFly

    Not comparing it to a single–I understand the diff.  I’m suggesting w/o the single to radio advantages–why would some question the response it got (sales).  I just suggest it is good enough that some of this makes me disappointed songs have to be a single to get attn.  I could hear that song being on the radio & that’s why this path music HAS to take is maddening.  Like w/Haley & I remember fans for James commenting on his site–they wanted to request/hear diff songs also from their albums on radio & it wasn’t possible.  You can’t fight the system but—has the “only released singles rule” always been their for artists?    

  • DragonFly

    Not comparing it to a single–I understand the diff.  I’m suggesting w/o the single to radio advantages–why would some question the response it got (sales).  I just suggest it is good enough that some of this makes me disappointed songs have to be a single to get attn.  I could hear that song being on the radio & that’s why this path music HAS to take is maddening.  Like w/Haley & I remember fans for James commenting on his site–they wanted to request/hear diff songs also from their albums on radio & it wasn’t possible.  You can’t fight the system but—has the “only released singles rule” always been their for artists?    

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F3XJE5GRAUMYR7Y5RYZUW7SC4U md

    I can see how you might think that if you value what Randy Jackson has to say.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F3XJE5GRAUMYR7Y5RYZUW7SC4U md

    Haley’s rise was due more to others falling than “her own efforts?” I’ll take that to mean she was consistently good.

    As for being thrown under the bus, that happened more than once. You only noticed it when they were blatant about it. She consistently performed under those conditions. That’s how good she is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F3XJE5GRAUMYR7Y5RYZUW7SC4U md

    In July, when Haley appeared on The View, “Listen Up!” jumped to #28 Pop.

    Haley appeared on Conan on April 25. “Listen Up!” wasn’t released until May 22.

    James Durbin did have his album out when he performed on Conan in January. How were his sales after that appearance?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F3XJE5GRAUMYR7Y5RYZUW7SC4U md

     3x higher than nothing is nothing. Link to some numbers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F3XJE5GRAUMYR7Y5RYZUW7SC4U md

    nm

  • girlygirltoo

    Very few radio stations will play songs that aren’t official singles. You may get to hear album cuts on independent and/or college radio, but not on commercial radio. These stations don’t even (or make) have the room in their rotation to play all the singles that get released every week — that’s why so many great songs disappear without a trace. They have no incentive to play non-singles.

    Back in the day commercial stations sometimes had a block of time late at night/overnight when they would play deep album tracks and things like that, but even though shows seem to have pretty much disappeared from commercial radio. It’s all about $$$ these days, and playing non-singles isn’t going to maake the station $$$.

  • justmefornow

    James was on Conan Jan 12, 2012. His sales of MOABD rose 12% that week to a total of 81k sold at that point less than 2 months after his Nov. 21, 2011 release.
    Here’s your link:
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2012/01/clarkson-mccreery-sales-set-standard-for-new-idol-season/1#.ULVvk4c71IE

    His sales also increased 520% after his Idol appearance in April 2012. Do you need a link for that too? That’s pretty well known.

    As has been said before, Dude ALWAYS had sales bumps after TV appearances.

  • irockhard

    No but Top 4 was the only night where the audience reacted to her being bussed because that was the night when the bussing really got to her and she talked back to Randy.

    As for being “consistently good” erm no, she had subpar performances too, eg: Fallin, Blue & Call Me.

  • irockhard

    As I already mentioned James album sales were x3 times higher the week he performed on Conan than the previous week. He sold 4k of MOABD the week before he appeared on Conan and after Conan his album sales jumped to 12k. It’s mentioned somewhere in the thread here about his Conan performance.

  • irockhard

    To quote the same article:

    ….In fact, James sees his weekly sales climb 12% (a jump fueled by digital sales of Memories of a Beautiful Disaster more than doubling from the previous week).

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2012/01/clarkson-mccreery-sales-set-standard-for-new-idol-season/1#.ULXXIodU-Zd

    James is clearly an example of “the more promo he/she gets the more he/she sells”, that’s not the case for everyone. It’s not because of the songs either, it’s because he’s such a powerful performer.

  • http://twitter.com/GregHerriges1 Greg Herriges

    This is a momentary “blip” in the career of Haley Reinhart.  She is a truly gifted, consumate professional singer/songwriter who has fought her way to public notice.  The kid has grace, talent, and charisma.  LISTEN UP was a gutsy album, poorly promoted.  You’ll hear from her again.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    Ah well, at least she can now do hosting and red carpet gigs. Maybe the odd charity event or parade here and there.  That seems to be what happens with most of these “amazingly talented” artists.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F3XJE5GRAUMYR7Y5RYZUW7SC4U md

    Haley will be fine. No need for the quotation marks. She is talented and has a distinctive voice. I’m glad she didn’t waste those abilities making dance music for club kids.