Adam Lambert Walks Away From His RCA Contract

As many of you predicted, Adam Lambert and RCA Records are parting ways over creative differences. This comes in the wake of rumors that the label wanted him to release an album of 80’s covers.

Here’s a letter sent to Shirley Halperin of The Hollywood Reporter who initially reported on the 80’s cover album rumor, which turned out to be absolutely true, as Adam confirms in the letter.

Apparently, Adam has seen the reaction from his fans to the rumors. Many of you were not happy! Duly noted by Adam. But, as it turns out y’all were on the same page.

Via The Hollywood Reporter

Dear Shirley,

Thank you for your continued interest in, and support of, my musical career. After reading your article on July 8th, and seeing the very impassioned responses, I thought it would be good to write and let you know what is actually happening with my next album.

I’ve had an amazing few years working with the team at RCA; I admire all of them a great deal, and truly appreciate the energy & enthusiasm that went into making both “Trespassing” & “For Your Entertainment” successes.

That said, at this point, we are indeed having the oft-cited “creative differences” as to what my next project will be. Your article was correct, the label is “pushing for an (80’s) covers album,” and feels that this is the only kind of release they are prepared to support. While there are lots of great songs from that decade, my heart is simply not in doing a covers album.

Over the past four years, I have been truly fortunate to work with an amazing roster of producers, writers and engineers. Thanks to them, I have grown as both a songwriter and a vocalist. Artistically & professionally, I think it is essential that I continue with this evolution. I am already deep into writing new material with some very talented colleagues for a brand new album, and I can’t tell you how excited I am to share this new sound & direction. This music is where my heart is, and I believe that is what my fans want to hear. So after careful consideration, I have made the decision to respectfully part ways with RCA. My passion for the music & respect for the fans will always come first. I am excited to find a new label team who shares this vision.

Yours,

Adam

Glee creator, Ryan Murphy announced via twitter earlier this week that Adam would be joining the cast of Glee. I know many of the cast members there have options to record with Columbia, so you never know what’s going to happen down the road.

Personally, I don’t blame him for rejecting the cover album idea. It would instantly render his music career irrelevant.

By the way…we totally got namechecked in the article. Your opinions are being heard!

ETA: Also, agree this whole deal–from Shirley dropping the “gossip” earlier this week, to the Glee announcement, and now the letter to Shirley revealing the split with RCA–it appears to be well orchestrated by Adam’s people. Whoever is in charge of Adam’s PR deserves a major raise.

UPDATE: Shirley Halperin responds to my ETA above:

There was no orchestration, MJ. I had the tip, asked Adam directly at the Live Proud event, he wouldn’t comment. Same with his rep and the label. Feeling confident in my sources, I printed the story, the reaction came flooding in and it precipitated a decision of whether to move forward with a third album, or not. Both sides would have to agree on a creative direction in order to move ahead with the recording contract. That’s the god’s honest truth. Just good, old-fashioned journalism.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Knowing Lambert, it’s the only possible result. Sorry RCA couldn’t support him, but that’s the way it goes in today’s make-a-buck world. Hope he finds a label that’s more into music. Luvya, baby.

  • marmom07

    You go Adam. You go on and keep doing YOU! Cause that’s what you do best. This fan wants to hear the music you want to make.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Yes – doing an 80’s album would have destroyed his cred. At least this way he has more than a fighting chance to get his music out there. Especially after the Glee exposure.

  • Barbara Swanson

    Million percent him being true to his dream, his future. I will buy any and all music he produces–love it or not so much love it, I support ANY musician who risks their future for their vision.

  • marmom07

    RCA failed to release the best songs off of Adam’s album.

  • Bugme Nomor

    Hey, I was here early. Will be interesting to hear the music that reflects where his heart is.

  • LAMBERTLUST

    RCA never promoted him right!!! Excited for Adam Lambert!!! This has been a long time coming!!! Supporting Adam 100% no matter what!!!

  • No Thanks

    I have no doubt this reveal was carefully coordinated. First Shirley plants the seed. Then we get the awesome Glee news to distract people from the potentially negative news. Then Shirley drops the “bad” news on a Friday night in the middle of the superb Glee buzz. This minimizing bad press.

    I see Shoshanna is doing a bang up job.

  • H.A.

    Adam fans are loud. RCA’s email must of had their heads spinning. Just so you know Adam will be the first Idol (I think) to leave one label and already be signed to another. This isn’t something that just happened it’s in process for months. A lot of announcements coming.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Worth every penny.

  • Cos2mwiz

    Would support his brilliant talent if he sang the damn phone book, but very happy he’s willing to walk to support his vision.

  • bscfan

    Adam’s PR team handled this split brilliantly. If this news had come out a week ago, his fanbase would have been in a total meltdown. But with the THR article on Monday, most of his fanbase was begging him to leave RCA. Well played.

  • Niall

    In the early years of Idol, losing or walking away from a major label deal was a surefire way to be called a failure. I think we reached the point awhile ago, after many good artists from idol had issues with RCA, to see that the issue seems to be within RCA and less about the artists themselves.

    I’m far from an Adam Lambert fan (loved him on the show, have found him insufferable since) but even if Tresspassing didn’t make the money RCA was hoping for, a covers cd is a cheap way of trying to wring some sort of profit out of Adam before probably choosing to drop him anyway. It was a smart move to walk away now.

  • marmom07

    I honestly don’t know if RCA really wanted him to do a covers album or this is all smoke and mirrors to hide that they dropped him. Whether or not they dropped him because they don’t believe in him or they do but couldn’t afford to keep him. I don’t care. If they don’t want to support him doing his music then he needs to go elsewhere. Adam’s brand more than anyone I can think of is rooted in “doing your thing”. I’m glad he isn’t going to compromise that by doing a cover album. At this point in his career that would have been counter to everything he stands for.

    I know he will land on his feet.

  • chloe18

    I kind of like him even more for this. I don’t think I could have stayed a fan if he put out 80s cover albums. That is just not something I’m interested in at all. I’m so impressed w/ him for taking chances and not going the safe route and congrats to his team b/c instead of this being upsetting I’m really excited for him and everything coming up.

  • chloe18

    Not only that who wants to listen to an 80s cover album?

  • YankeeFan08

    This has been the best week for Adam news! First Glee, now this. Who knows what else he’s got up his sleeve.

  • Madilo

    “Adam fans are loud. RCA’s email must of had their heads spinning.”

    That doesn’t help him though, you should tone it down a little imo.

  • marmom07

    I’m sure Adam made fairly decent money with his performances/concerts this year and with Glee this fall. I see no reason why he can’t foot the bill for a lot of the album. I do understand that he needs a label to help with radio promo etc.

  • H.A.

    He doesn’t need help.

  • No Thanks

    He could independently produce his album and then find a label to distribute and promote it. Isn’t that what artists like Macklemore & Ryan Lewis are doing?

  • Madilo

    I guess nobody is surprised here, it was predicted :(

  • Madilo

    He sure does but if you think so it’s fine lol

  • marmom07

    Exactly!!

  • marmom07

    I don’t understand how fans letting his label (now former) know what his fans want is a bad thing? I’ve always understood that artists need to be able to show labels that the artist does indeed have a passionate fan base who will buy and support what that artist does. Passionate fans are never the problem IMO in this business (except for perhaps harassing radio PD’s and that’s a different thing than the label).

  • chloe18

    agreed, it also had the risk of wasting time and losing fans. I wouldn’t have been interested in that album at all and who knows if I would continue paying attention until something I actually liked came out

  • YankeeFan08

    They never did promote him right. They’re way too conservative. They have no vision.

  • Incipit

    Ah, I didn’t have the name when I made the same list on the Headlines thread, No Thanks – all I could say is someone earned their paycheck. That would be Shoshanna.

    The covers album story is doing its job…and The Label and the artist saw different things down the road, so they parted company on good terms after the two albums…and you may notice, no one said “when” that happened. Likely, back around March, or thereabouts. This didn’t ‘just’ happen.

    Except for the date of the parting of the ways, it’s the very same thing that David Cook told us in 2012.

  • bscfan

    Soo funny that RCA has been tweeting about Adam more in the last month than in the entire last year. In fact, they just sent out a tweet yesterday about Adam and the Trevor project. That had me convinced he was still with RCA. Go figure.

    I’m sure he’ll find a way to get his music out there without them.

  • marmom07

    I think Adam has made enough of an impression on other “talented colleagues” that he really doesn’t need the label to make connections or reach out and find people for him to work with. There are people who know him and want to work with him.

  • girlygirl

    I doubt Adam simply walked away from RCA. Again, this is a case of the pr people doing spin and the media going along with it. But if the whole “covers album” story is true, then this is still a good thing for Adam, no matter how it went down. Because that story sounded like RCA wasn’t interested in promoting his new music. And no artist wants to be stuck on a label that doesn’t really want to promote him.

    Hopefully wherever he lands next will be a better fit for him in terms of the type of music he wants to release going forward with his career.

  • jan

    the tweeting at all times is done by lower level employees. They don’t know what is happening at contract levels.

  • girlygirl

    Well, hopefully he didn’t sign with the new label while still under contract with RCA, because that’s a good way to get sued, lol

  • YankeeFan08

    I think he did walk away. Otherwise he would have gotten the “parting of the ways” headline that usually accompanies these announcements. I firmly believe he already has a new label lined up.

  • breakdown

    It’s the same old story by fans of those idols who have been previously “dropped” by their labels. It’s not easy out there without someone to back you. Like many others, I think Adam will have a solid but not spectacular career.

  • curly_yenta

    Another one bites the dust……
    Maybe he’ll have a more successful TV career than McPhee did.

  • YankeeFan08

    LOL, give him some credit! He’s a smart guy. Plus he has a top-notch management team.

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    GOODBYE DR LUKE. GOOD LUCK ADAM!

  • H.A.

    Don’t gloat to quick.

  • chloe18

    and Claude Kelly!!!!!

  • curly_yenta

    Of course it was….. no doubt about it.

  • YankeeFan08

    Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out. Good riddance Dr. Luke and Claude Kelly!

  • everything

    So it was all true. I don’t think he simply walked away. He knew what was coming. I can’t think of any Idol who was dropped from a major label, who then came back to match or even come close to their early success.

  • girlygirl

    It’s almost impossible for artists to walk away from contracts with labels without the label’s consent. Not if they want to actually try and still have a career. There have been many many stories of artists embroiled in legal messes for years trying to get out of label deals.

    Shirley is one of the biggest Adam fans around, that’s why it says “walks away”. It’s pure p.r. spin.

  • H.A.

    Adam isn’t just any Idol. lol.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Very nice letter from Adam. No hint of bitterness or resentment is expressed towards RCA, no trashing of 80’s music, and the tone is serious and thoughtful, as it should be. In reality, I think that RCA and Adam parted ways a while ago, so the music that Adam has been working on for his third album isn’t their property. He may already have an offer to sign with another label. This was all orchestrated extremely well.

  • elliegrll

    “Walked away”, that’s a new one.

    I think that Adam no longer being with 19R was a clear sign that his days with RCA were numbered. There is no way that 19R would have let Adam out of his contract, if they felt that RCA was still invested in him. At the very least RCA didn’t renew their original option, and they and Adam have been trying to iron out a new deal during the past few months.

  • lovetheusa1776

    The usuals.

  • H.A.

    DMG is using the same play book they did with Katy Perry. I bet we get a single from Adam sooner than we think.

  • curly_yenta

    That’s not to say people can’t have very successful careers outside a recording career which he might have. Maybe he’ll go back to Broadway or strike it big in movies and win an academy award like JHudson! ;)

  • YankeeFan08

    Well then I’m sure he had their consent. He wouldn’t do anything to jeopardize his career. My money’s on an announcement coming soon about the new label.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    So childish.

  • chloe18

    eh why are people so hung up over success? Who cares, it’s not like I get paid according to what they sell. I wouldn’t have cared if that cover album went triple platinum. It was a lame idea and not something I want to listen to. Watching glee and a pop album are stuff I like, 80s covers not so much.

  • seashellz51

    Yes. I so agree. A very classy, professional letter. Good point about the music not belonging to RCA. I do believe also a signing announcment is coming. He’s had time to work this out. Its not an impulsive move for sure.

  • elliegrll

    Since Shirley is a fan, she is going to give a headline that favors Adam. Plus, Adam still has top notch PR people, who have used Shirley and some others in the past to spin things in Adam’s favor. That’s their job, so I’m not knocking them, and they do their job very well. People don’t hear Adam on the radio, but his PR people have always manged to paint a picture of someone who has achieved more success than Adam really has.

  • elliegrll

    One more thing, RCA held the options, so Adam couldn’t just walk away. RCA had to make the decision not to renew their option. There are obvious reasons why they didn’t think that it was worth it.

  • No Thanks

    You may be right; but I think it’s important to note that RCA is giving Adam a hell of a lot of lee way to roll out the news HIS way. So I don’t think the parting of the ways was as harsh as some think it was.

  • elliegrll

    It’s usually done by interns.

  • supersonic

    You win a Tony for Broadway. You win an Oscar for a movie. But Jennifer Hudson won her Oscar for singing because her acting wasn’t that great in Dreamgirls.

  • girlygirl

    No I’m sure he wouldn’t. He’s a smart guy and he’s got a good team working with him.

    I’m just not a big fan of p.r. spin. :p

  • marmom07

    Well we won’t know for sure unless RCA says something. I think it in both parties interest to keep the whole thing professional and classy.

    It doesn’t matter dropped or released he’s free to go and work out something with another label who does want him and supports his music. In the mean time he can keep writing and working on other projects such as Glee and what ever Queen is planning on.

  • elliegrll

    The timing of this is pretty funny/fishy. First some unnamed source leaked that covers rumor to Shirley, and now she gets an exclusive about the split. It makes you wonder if there was any truth to the rumor, especially since Adam has been working with people who have been helping him write and record original music over the past few months. Like I said above, Adam has great PR agents.

  • curly_yenta

    Yes, I am aware of that. Tony for Broadway. Oscar for film. Got it.

    I do agree with you that JHudson got VERY lucky for that Oscar. I personally can’t stand her or her singing or acting.

  • No Thanks

    Isn’t Katy Perry starting her own record label soon? Hmmmm….

  • Tinawina

    LMAO. I feel like we all just got played. Well executed, Team Adam.

    It is quite something when you can see it coming but somehow you don’t mind. I have massive respect for whoever came up with this.

    Label announcement in 3, 2, 1…

  • Listening

    I think the “talented colleagues” are actually just his friends and not the big time professionals.

    Don’t get me wrong simply friends can make good songs. Case in point David Cook wrote a song called Goodbye to the Girl for his Sophomore Album w/ his long time friends Neal Tiemann and Andy Skib and I love that song. It’s beautiful and gut wrenching. There are other songs from Andy Skib’s ealier works that were beautiful and moving as well. So even if he’s not working w/ big time pros good stuff is still possible.

  • elliegrll

    I think that this is normally what labels do. They don’t have press releases about dropping a client.

    As MJ noted, all three stories about Adam this week were well orchestrated by his PR team. Adam may not have achieved as much success as his fans believe that he has, but one thing is true, he has the best PR team in the world.

  • abbysee

    This is what I like about Adam. I wasn’t getting my knickers in a twist because I knew he would address this entire issue with his customary honesty and charm. Shame on RCA for not having the balls to market Trespassing properly and releasing the correct singles, imagine how smart they would have looked releasing Shady. Nile Rogers is having this renaissance and they could have had a part in that. Good luck to Adam, can’t wait to see what’s next for him.

  • Karen C

    I don’t think he’ll sign with a new label for awhile. He couldnt until he was released from the RCA one.

  • lovetheusa1776

    That’s probably my fav DC song.

  • No Thanks

    No, but they often just take people off their roster. Sometimes without even telling the artist! And RCA actually posted about Adam’s Glee gig this week. And were still tweeting about him.

    So that tells me they were invested in keeping it classy.

  • supersonic

    People don’t hear Adam on the radio, but his PR people have always manged to paint a picture of someone who has achieved more success than Adam really has.

    For real.

  • elliegrll

    I think that they parted ways a while ago to. It explains why 19R didn’t have a problem with letting Adam out of his contract. It doesn’t matter who is running 19R, there is no way that they would severed ties with Adam, if they thought that he would get another record with RCA.

  • marmom07

    Exactly. The whole cover album thing could be a complete fabrication and it gives both parties a graceful parting. My opinion is that Adam had built enough good will with his RCA “handlers” (don’t know what to call them) that they are willing (again unless RCA comes forward with a different story) to go along with the PR spin so that it’s less damaging. I get that the damage is really to artist who is dropped and not the label but still everyone who works with Adam says what a great person he is and how likable and hardworking. So it makes some sense to me.
    Does it really do any damage to RCA to pretend he walked away if they really dropped him? I still say what does it really matter they’ve parted so time to move on.

  • H.A.

    The contract expired. The linguistic of everything going down doesn’t really matter. What matters is artists go through several labels throughout their careers. You move on. One thing you can say is with Adam he is proactive in his career and his people are on top of things. They all earn their money.

  • No Thanks

    With all due respect, a LOT of Adam’s “talented colleagues” and “friends” are pretty damn impressive.

  • elliegrll

    The simple problem, one that some fans seem to ignore when we are talking about an alum who isn’t their favorite, RCA could have released the songs that you mentioned, but radio stations were not going to play his music.

  • marmom07

    As others have said it’s possible that the release has already happened and they simply waited to announce it. Also Adam could have been shopping around for a label. I don’t know but I would think that there aren’t rules against having conversations with another label. He just can’t sign a new contract until he’s out of the first one.

  • elliegrll

    No it didn’t. Not according to the original terms that RCA and 19 had with everyone who made the top 40 during season 8.

  • No Thanks

    And what were the terms?

  • elliegrll

    LOL, Given Adam’s lack of success, and the fact that his numbers don’t match those of some of the successful alums, I always find this perception to be very funny. Adam is in the same boat as a lot of the alums, and facing some of the same obstacles.

  • marmom07

    Uh Adam has written with Sam Sparro, Sia, Pharell and others very current in the business not to mention Nile Rodgers who has been very complimentary of Adam’s ability.

  • YankeeFan08

    You don’t know that to be the case. That’s just speculation on your part.

  • H.A.

    His lack of success in radio? lol.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    I am glad he had the Glee job, but I have a hard time believing this. This looks like it was worked out by Adam and RCA to make him save face. People kept saying the split with 19 meant there was a split with RCA- and RCA never confirmed he was staying. They basically said nothing. I just don’t think he was getting a 3rd album and they dropped him but they were still selling “Trespassing” overseas and didn’t want that negativity to go into it. Plus, the set-up is so obvious, who would come out and say “They wanted me to do a covers album and I didn’t,” that is not what you say when you split, it would not be professional. I’m sure many many are going to buy this, but I am not one of them. That being said, I wish him luck and I will look forward to seeing him on Glee. I stopped watching the show but now I will.

  • elliegrll

    The posts are usually made by interns, and people who have no clue about what’s going on. The day before Kris Allen’s departure/walking away/parting ways/ etc. was leaked, RCA posted a cover that he did on their website, and some fans pointed at it as proof that he was still with the label. That parting probably took place several months before the video was posted on the site. Kris’ picture was also still on the site at the time.

  • girlygirl

    I’m very impressed with Adam’s management team and his publicist. They know what they are doing, for sure.

  • No Thanks
  • Beaugard Stevens

    Well it could have been less obvious. The 80’s cover album info gets leaked and then he almost immediately walks away afterward? Ugh…. no.

  • lovetheusa1776

    So @adamlambert , my hopes of a Bangles cover of “Walk Like An Egyptian” will never be realized? :O

    Fav tweet – so far – lol

  • elliegrll

    Album number 2 sold approx. 200K copies in the US, in comparison the first album sold 800K copies. That’s not exactly a sign of success. It’s also a reason why RCA wouldn’t pick up the third option. If the second album could only muster that amount, it’s clear that the third one was going to do less than that figure.

  • Incipit

    Yeah, I don’t see how they could be reading here and still be surprised, Madilo. It went down as predicted…AL’s team is doing a nice job on the PR spin, and everything can move on. With the usual adjustments.

    IMO.

  • H.A.

    Adam tweeting that out must mean he wants the media to pick it up.

  • Susan

    He isn’t even the first to get a new major label deal after parting ways, not that Adam has a new deal.

  • mtlfan2

    as RCA wanted only to support a 80’s covers album, I totally understand Adam walking away. If RCA doesn’t believe in Adam’s new project, he’ll find another label, that’s it! Good luck to him

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Well the last thing they want to be accused of is dropping the first openly gay artist to have a #1 album. This benefits them as well by doing it this way. And you know, it is a great accomplishment to be the first to do that, I don’t see why they could not give him another chance. But let’s face it, if he wasn’t gay, he would have gotten the same dropping scenario as David Cook.

  • marmom07

    It’s plain and simple: the level of artists “commercial success” (read radio play and sales) do not indicate the level of an individual artists talent.

    People can point out all they want about Adam’s lack of radio play on his second album but that does not take away his vocal talent, his live performance talent, his charisma or his musical ability. So say all you want about how he isn’t/hasn’t lived up to the “hype”. The problem is radio play today is not based solely on an artists ability. There are too many other factors.

  • elliegrll

    So, based on the radio reception that the two songs from Trespassing received, you came to the conclusion that PDs were open to playing Adam’s music?

  • YankeeFan08

    They already have.

  • Sharon S.

    When I first read Shirley Halperin’s story about RCA wanting an 80s cover album from Adam, I had horrible visions of Adam refusing and RCA holding him hostage – or allowing him to do an album of original material, and either shelving it or tossing it out into the marketplace with no support. I don’t know what will come next, but I said it before and I’ll say it again – Adam always lands on his feet, and write him off at your peril.

    He will be fine.

  • No Thanks

    Radio is such an ugly confusing beast. I couldn’t even begin to guess what goes on. All I know for sure is that Idols aren’t the only recording artists who have issues with traditional radio.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Just by joining the cast of “Glee,” he already has.

  • YankeeFan08

    Sure, if they were the right songs they would have been played.

  • No Thanks

    Possibly. I do think that is part of it. I think RCA doesn’t want bad PR in the middle of the gay civil rights movement. But I still think they have a lot of respect for Adam and they worked out a deal to make them both look good.

  • jan

    Lack of radio play does NOT equal lack of talent. This is true for Adam and it is true for other artists. So it should be remembered whenever we talk about an artist (Idol or other) not getting radio play.

  • elliegrll

    And brilliantly, they drop the biggest shoe on a Friday night, when it’s not going to get a lot of press.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Makes sense.

  • esther macha

    What a crazy week it,s been. Congrats Adam !Looking forward to the next big news !

  • vamp111

    Hmm I saw this comin after his 2nd album flopped. They can try to spin it, but he obviously wasn’t making much for them.

    Jessica is next, sadly.

  • elliegrll

    Which will surely happen on a Friday night, when it’s already past 11 on the east coast. I’m pretty sure that people release big news on Friday nights when they don’t want the press to cover it, or make a big deal about it. It’s PR 101.

  • marmom07

    After playing Cuckoo and Trespassing on PLL, both songs (but especially cuckoo) had really nice bounces on iTunes. They were being bought (based on tweets) by viewers who where unaware of his Album but heard the songs and really liked them. If sales of the those two songs could increase just based on one short listen I think they would have done well on Radio IF the radio PDs would have played them. People DO buy his music when they HEAR it. The singles he did release were really barely played by the stations that added.

  • abbysee

    For clarity sakes, is it the music or Adam?

  • marmom07

    Exactly! I think you said it much more clearly than I did.

  • wordnerdarchie

    There’s probably around 1.5-2million left to recoup on Trespassing. It’s a good thing RCA is left holding the bag, so to speak. Eh, but RCA made money on the first album.

  • Q_3

    If that was the case for Adam and RCA, they could have just dropped him. No ridiculous covers album idea.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    So far, only Lyndsey Parker has picked up the story (big surprise!). lol

  • H.A.

    RCA really isn’t a good label. I think they are worst since they went through their changes. They have dropped the ball on a lot of their artists not just Idol. A musician like Adam needs the right label and the right people to see his vision and back him up.

  • Q_3

    We have no idea what Trespassing sold internationally so no way to even guess about the financials. There is no question Sony made money on FYE.

  • lovetheusa1776

    His fans are so great –

    “Adam, can you just make an 80’s cover album?”

    http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/illuxxia/media/gifs/no-i-cant.gif.html

  • mtlfan2

    on a second tought, RCA offering to support only an 80’s cover album to someone to someone like Adam (who is fan of original electro funky music) is almost a setup for him to quit. So we could say in a way that he was dropped like many idol aluns imo. Adam will do well without them!

  • Beaugard Stevens

    It was marketed properly, the public just wasn’t interested. And that’s because they gave him too say in the 2nd album. That is what frustrates me, I think he will go to another label and keep on making the same mistakes because no one will reign him in. They did a great job with the first album, I still play it, I think it’s great. It would have been nice to have a rock album from him, but I doubt now it will happen, he thinks he is Lady Gaga and that’s a problem, he’s not a great songwriter.

  • YankeeFan08

    But that’s RCA’s fault. There are some great songs on that album. They didn’t promote him or the album the way they deserved to be because as I said above they have no vision. I don’t feel sorry for RCA. They were the ones who made the decisions.

  • Dianne

    Adam has some amazing songs on both of the albums released post Idol, too bad most people have not heard them. I really don’t blame Adam or even RCA. I just don’t know why we have to hear the same stuff over and over, but unfortunately I don’t run the radio stations and that seems to be the missing link. Regardless, his career is far from over. Adam is a great live performer, has a new gig on Glee, lots of friends in and out of the business, and loyal fans here and abroad; he will be fine. I hope to see him one day enjoy the smash hit he so deserves.

  • esther macha

    Where I live in Texas they were never played not even one time. People didn,t have the chance to even know if they liked them or not.

  • H.A.

    The media has him alert. They will pick up the story on Monday to give it a fresh new news cycle.

  • vamp111

    Glee is a dying show.

  • marmom07

    LOL that’s perfect!!

  • elliegrll

    Uhm, they did what they do with everyone who they think isn’t making money for them, they didn’t pick up his option. We have no idea if the covers idea is true, since no one from RCA has gone on record confirming it.

    But, one thing that we can agree on, or at least I hope so, there is no way that RCA would have suggested a covers album, if they had made money off of the second album, or if, as some fans have said, Adam’s international numbers were good enough to make up for his lack of success in the US. RCA’s decision shows that they didn’t think that Adam could expand his audience, and that he didn’t have a big enough base to support a major label release of a third album.

  • No Thanks

    I’m hoping that Adam lands another record deal. I’m sure the lack of sales of #2 played a part but RCA has gone through a lot of upheavals and had to absorb Jive records. I’m sure Adam realized he was no longer a priority and realized he needed to move on.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Life is change – what makes it exciting. Doors close – others open. On the Cuckoo train!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Interesting response from Shirley, but her scenario is not inconsistent with Adam and RCA having parted ways a while ago. Perhaps, Shirley’s tip precipitated an announcement by Adam (ie. letter) sooner than he would have wanted, but I really believe that the parting happened a while ago.

  • Eileen99

    The 80’s cover album was obviously a way for RCA to recoup money from his fanbase. I’m sure they never expected they would sell that to anyone but his hardcore fans, who, despite what many say, would have purchased the album. This was the only viable way for RCA to recoup more money off Adam before they dropped him, especially since they had no intention of releasing further original music from him.

  • Larc

    The second part of that would be that radio play doesn’t necessarily equal talent. Along with selected good singers, radio plays music by some crap singers while it ignores some very good ones.

  • elliegrll

    There’s a chance that they didn’t make a profit off of the debut album, labels rarely do. I remember Brian from Idol Chatter saying that he thought that only three or four of the debut albums from alums had resulted in a profit for their labels.

  • Q_3

    Well the two promoted singles from Trespassing did not get much airplay either and he did not write either of them.

    The promoted singles from Trespassing were two tracts selected by RCA that had nothing to do with the Adam or the album he created. Perhaps radio would not have played Cuckoo but at least the lead single that he promoted would have reflected the album and his TV promotion would have had some payoff for album sales. RCA has made some terrible single choices for Idol alums but BTIKM tops my list as the worst lead single choice in years. They wanted Adam to be a safe, “not scary” (not too gay), Adult Pop artist. That is no who he is.

  • elliegrll

    RCA is doing fine. There’s no need to feel sorry for them.

  • supersonic

    After all this, I’m going to laugh if he ends singing an 80s song or two on Glee.

  • Tinawina

    Nah, it’s not too obvious. I think this was executed damn near flawlessly.

    When this gets picked up (and it will) it will not be reported as another Idol biting the dust, it will be the story of an artist standing up for his integrity. Plus the Glee news will be in the story as if to say “see, this guy is not a loser. People want him”

    My guess is it will percolate for a couple of days until Adam sits down for an exclusive interview with someone *coughSHIRLEYcough* where he drops news about another project (queen? His Glee character?) and hints about being in talks with labels. Shortly thereafter there will be an announcement of a deal with a famous person’s imprint or a smaller indie with a cutting edge rep I’m guessing. Either that or a distribution deal? Hmm

  • chloe18

    seriously, they are also screwing up with Christina and Kesha

  • YankeeFan08

    LOL!

  • elliegrll

    I doubt that you have the financial data on either album. And given just basic data, it’s hard to imagine that Trespassing did enough to make up for the shortfall in the US. We know which countries account for the bulk of the albums that are sold, and Trespassing didn’t do very well in most of those countries.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Saw one other – Broadway World or something.

  • elliegrll

    Yep. The only people who the album would appeal to would be leftover fans from AI. Releasing that type of album would tell us that RCA no longer felt that Ada could be a relevant current artist, and that they had no hope that he could build up a base beyond his AI fans.

  • marmom07

    Why? It’s Glee. Covers are what they do! Singing covers on Glee and selling them on iTunes is great. There are plenty of great songs I would love to hear him sing. So he better not be on Glee and not actually sing anything! That would be a crime.

    But never do I want him to put out a new album solely of cover songs.

  • No Thanks

    I’m willing to bet Q3 has better data than you do. Let’s whip ‘em out and measure. :op

  • H.A.

    TIna. I love how you think outside of the bubble. Any announcement of a new label will be one big press release story.

  • Sharon S.

    I am greatly encouraged by the fact that Adam has such a great management and PR team around him. It was a smart, savvy and proactive decision for him to sign with DMG. He has a good team looking out for his best interests; combined with the networking and good relationships Adam himself has established, I have every confidence that he will find a label that will better understand and support him.

  • wordnerdarchie

    There’s the label’s cut of sales up front (which is pretty generous) as well as the recoupable amount from artist’s performance cut. The bottom line depends on how much they were willing to spend on promotion.

  • abbysee

    I respectfully disagree. There was nothing that needed reigning in on trespassing. On the other hand his first certainly could have! Trespassing was a solid pop album. If you want rock, see concert Adam. He’s versatile that way. As for his song writing, he’s not Dylan, but he’s solid. I prefer Trespassing to FYE It was a far superior effort in every way but sales.

  • wordnerdarchie

    lol.

  • lovetheusa1776
  • waitingforthe1

    why do you doubt that girlygirl, because no other idol has ever “just walked away”?

    Sorry, but artists walk away from labels all the time when they have a clear vision of where they want their career to go and the label disagrees.

    There are actually artists who care more about their art than their bottom line. Adam made enough of a profit for RCA with his two releases to more than warrant a third album but RCA wanted to take the easy/cheap way out and Adam clearly other ideas.

    Also, with David Cook, Kris Allen and even Clay Aiken the news of the split came months after the fact and it was discovered by accident.

    Adam is the one making the announcement not RCA. Adam more than likely made the decision sometime today to cut ties with RCA and rather than leave his fans hanging he did what he always does, he cleared up the rumors.

  • supersonic

    Isn’t all of this being done over an 80s cover album? Like he didn’t want to sing any 80s songs or whatever. That’s why I’m going to laugh if he ends up singing an 80s song or two on Glee.

  • Ronnie D

    Its been such an odd week for us Glamberts lol. I am excited about Adam being on Glee, and yet concerned about him leaving his label. Either way it’s not like he is going into the dust bin of Idols Past. lol. As long as I get to hear him sing and can still purchase new music, I’m happy. If he signs with Columbia, that would ROCK!

  • elliegrll

    Neither of us works for RCA, so where would we get this data from? Seeing as I don’t work for the company, I would never say that I have financial data.

  • waitingforthe1

    you don’t know what kind of contract Adam had with RCA. His contract might have been for x number of albums, which he filled with the 2 full albums, several EPS and the live CD/DVD release. maybe when they couldn’t decide on the creative direction Adam had the option to opt out of the contract.

    I think we’d all have to see Adam’s contract to know for sure but artist can and do walk away from labels all the time. It’s unusual for a high profile artist like Adam to do so but hey, Adam never does what’s expected of him.

  • No Thanks

    You’re not as familiar with Q3’s work as some of us are.

  • YankeeFan08

    Singing 80s covers and putting out an album of them are two completely different things.

  • No Thanks

    RE: Shirley’s comment

    Oh Shirley! You got played by Adam and his PR team. BIG TIME.

  • supersonic

    She was probably sitting around waiting for this.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Darren Hayes
    ?@darrenhayes22m
    Totally support and admire @adamlambert for sticking to his guns and not rolling over to make a covers record. Artists gotta be artists.

  • elliegrll

    I’m too familiar, which is why I posted what I did.

  • marmom07

    You just keep on laughing it’s ok! We don’t mind. Honestly.

  • waitingforthe1

    I guess it pays to have the best team then. More power to Adam for having the brains and the money to hire a top notch team like that.

    In the entertainment business PR is the key to success and having the right team can be the difference between a gig on Glee and a gig at community theater in some crapass town in Maine :p

  • lovetheusa1776

    Maybe – whatever – it’s terrific.

  • Willis White

    So Adam is now completely out of his RCA contract? If so, awesome! The label’s have consolidated to the point where I think there’s only 3 umbrella label’s left. The labels are wilting and RCA wasn’t getting Adam’s music played anyway. Good move by Adam.

  • supersonic

    I don’t know (or care really) about Kesha, but I have to agree with Christina. A lot of her fans are always screaming that she should leave RCA. I’m beginning to think that same way.

  • marmom07

    What was Shirley’s comment? I missed it.

  • No Thanks

    See above.

  • Q_3

    Adam spent over a week in NY at the end of June. He left on June 28, 2013. Seems unlikely this was a done deal before this but seems likely that he had some business to do in NY. It would not be related to Glee because that would be done in LA. So that supports Shirley’s claim this was a recent decision.

  • supersonic

    If Fox wasn’t in desperate need of shows, Glee would’ve been joining Smash in the TV trash bin.

  • waitingforthe1

    better to sell 200K out of 800K than 25K out of 325K I’d say.

    better to be able to tour the world and get high profile gigs on television than to play to half sold out bars to 50 people.

    it’s all about perspective. I’m going to assume that with the exception of a few idol alum, most would gladly trade places careerwise/succceswise with Adam.

  • Q_3

    I do not think so because he was still being promoted by RCA promo earlier this week. And I believe he was at RCA NY in June.

  • elliegrll

    and he did not write either of them.

    So? What does that have to do with anything. Adam has had a publishing deal for a few years, but I haven’t noticed any of his songs being licensed to use by other forms of media, or being licensed to other artists. That’s not to say that he isn’t a good writer, even though his songs that he wrote pre AI aren’t very good, but there really is no need to act like Adam is the best writer ever, or like there is no doubt that his co-writes would have succeeded.

    The debut single was bad, but here is the reality that RCA was facing, Hot AC was the format that was most open to Adam. Some people have used the Hot AC label to put down other idol alums, but given Adam’s age, style, and even his audience, it was the most natural fit for him, and the one format where his music stood a chance of getting played.

  • elliegrll

    Maybe a bit of both. As good as Adam’s current PR team did, I don’t think that 19M did him in favor with the way that they promoted him when he first came off of AI. I don’t think that RCA was crazy about 19’s approach, either.

  • marmom07

    Exactly, anyone who wants to pretend that they are the same can continue laughing.

  • Willis White

    Loved this. To me, Darren and Adam would be the best colab ever.

  • elliegrll

    Are you referring to tweets that were more than likely released by an intern? The same account was releasing tweets about Kris and Lee Dewyze the day before we found out that they were no longer with the label.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Love his music – have almost all of it, I think.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Thanks for the update, MJ

  • Willis White

    If you’re missing something, let me know ;)

  • waitingforthe1

    Adam being gay has zero to do with his professional behavior, work ethic or relationships with those at the label.

    Reality is people get treated different because people are different and situations are different.

    Adam works very hard to maintain loyal and close bonds with those he works with. This is evidenced by his continued relationship with Nile Rodgers, Brian May, Sam Sparro, etc. I have no doubt that Adam and RCA have a mutual respect for each other and that played more of a part in the way this was handled than who Adam happens to sleep with.

  • supersonic

    And what is Darren Hayes doing these days?

  • alterego

    No matter how fans want to spin this and blame RCA, the reality is that Adam Lambert wasn’t making them enough money for them to support any new music. Trespassing did get promotion. His songs were played on the radio. He was the Executive Producer on it. The public just weren’t interested.

  • elliegrll

    She’s a willing puppet. They should use Lindsay too, she’d love to help Adam’s team.

  • lovetheusa1776

    So he walked away. Balls.

  • Susan

    I thought it was only Simon Cowell who always wanted his acts to do all covers albums. Good for Adam for standing up for himself!

  • Willis White

    Music. And a bit of vacationing. For “new” stuff, I’d recommend Stupid Mistake. Great song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztpctgHjqno

  • waitingforthe1

    save face for what though? Adam isn’t the first and certainly will not be the last artist to leave a label, whether by his choice or theirs’

    Do labels regularly go out of their way to help artists they no longer have an investment in “Save face” If so good on them but I don’t think this is the case.

    Labels are a business first and foremost. Once they are done with the artist they are done. They aren’t going to expend any time or energy helping that artist get signed to another label by sugar coating the parting of ways.

    Someone up thread said this reminded them of Katy Perry and you’re absolutely correct. katy was signed to Columbia I believe and they had no earthly idea what to do with her. She walked away from that label and then she became a superstar because she had excellent management. Lucky for Adam he has the same management as katy perry.

    I’m not worried about Adam or his future.

  • Mason

    Now when the stans go marching in…now when the stans go marching in…

  • elliegrll

    better to sell 200K out of 800K than 25K out of 325K I’d say

    Both numbers suck, and lead to being dropped/not getting options picked up/no longer having a label, so what is there to crow about?
    Both show two artists who failed to find an audience, and who were unable to establish themselves. Neither received airplay with the second albums. At the end of the day, the results were the same, how is that for perspective?

    Tour the world? Not quite.

  • elliegrll

    Everybody in the top 40 of season 8 signed the same contract. RCA had options for 5 albums. That was reported by the New York Times when season 8 ended.

  • alterego

    Or he was going to be pushed out.

  • supersonic

    Not really.

  • vamp111

    Not sure why leaving a major label would be a “congrats” lol.

  • lovetheusa1776

    In the real world – really.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Nah – I like my version better.

  • Q_3

    RCA just had to drop him.

  • No Thanks

    I’m sure this has been in the works for a while and the decision the part ways was NOT a result of Shirley’s article.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Stans of whom – lol

  • marmom07

    leaving a label that doesn’t want to put out your music is worthy of congrats! better to be free to find another opportunity or way to put out your music than to be stuck

  • ANNIEBA

    Holy crap, this has been a busy week for Adam! What a roller coaster ride, sheesh! I am not worried about this news oddly enough. I have a feeling there is already something lined up by DMG. From a PR standpoint this was handled excellently by his people. I wonder if RCA was aware of the Glee gig before this happened, they just promoted it. I would not be surprised if Adam’s team held on to the news to help sweeten the deal for a new label. This is all very interesting and can’t wait for what’s to come.

  • Incipit

    “I printed the story, the reaction came flooding in and it precipitated a decision of whether to move forward with a third album, or not. Both sides would have to agree on a creative direction in order to move ahead with the recording contract.”

    That makes no sense at all. (IMO. Of Course) If we are believing the ‘artist upholding his ideals’ story – then how do we believe at the same time that the artist would have gone ahead with the covers album, damn the ideals, except that the fans objected, and “precipitated a decision” for a third album, or not? Which is it?

    Shirley got played, or she is seeking to play the readers…or we need to believe two contradictory things at once. Which, I don’t. PR 101 explains everything, with no contradictions. And it’s working, even on some of the people who saw it coming…and KNOW they are being played – – because it’s such a good story – – so why push it any further?

    Quit while you’re ahead, Shirley. IMO.

  • waitingforthe1

    when you get a chance can you upload those financials for us all to see?

  • No Thanks

    Yeah, I hope Shirley doesn’t believe that Adam made a MAJOR career and life decision entirely as a result of her article.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    They DID.

  • Incipit

    “Nah – I like my version better.”

    OMG. That’s priceless. See, it’s working!

  • lkingcorn

    A talent like Adam should not be pigeon holed by the record company. I admire Adam for taking the high road and wish him the best. I was one who commented on your story MJ. Adam may not currently be selling like the teen geared artists but he has his own vision and will push forward. Your support is duly noted also . More buzz over the weekend!

  • elliegrll

    If they wanted him to release a album of cover songs, that’s pretty much the same as pushing him out. A move like that let him know that they were not going to support an album of original music, because they didn’t think that it would be profitable.

  • Q_3

    Actually, I agree with you. RCA did not want to take the risk on an album of Adam’s own music. But the promotion of Trespassing was centered on two singles that RCA crammed on the album and radio did not play. The lead single, BTIKM, is something Adam dropped from his concert setlist because it is so drab and boring even he can’t make it interesting live. The other single was a left over Bruno Mars track that is workmanlike but not a great song.

    I am happy he walked because if he did this golden oldies cover album his recording career would be over. But walking on a recording contract takes a lot of guts. Somehow I think there is more to this story to come.

  • alterego

    Common sense (vs fan fiction). RCA is a competitive business. They have not been able to stay afloat all these years by constantly loosing money. If he was indeed such a cash cow, why didn’t they greenlight new music?

  • elliegrll

    It’s hard to believe, because new artists who are still trying to launch their careers, always release ’80s covers albums, especially when their first two albums made a profit for their label.

  • H.A.

    Adam is going to have all the artists backing him!!!

    Darren Hayes@darrenhayes
    Totally support and admire @adamlambert for sticking to his guns and not rolling over to make a covers record. Artists gotta be artists.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Priceless? Not really – at least $1.98 – so more than most here.

  • H.A.

    Adam wasn’t at RCA when he went to NY.

  • girlygirl

    Well there’s no way he’d already have a new deal lined up (as rumored) if the split with RCA just happened. And as others have said, the RCA twitter account is run by interns — not the most reliable people when it comes to knowing what’s going on at a label. This news seems timed to go hand-in-hand with the Glee news, so it could be that Shirley’s “source” had the info about this split for weeks or months and was waiting for word from Adam’s team to tip her off

  • Q_3

    I agree, they thought they could make money on an album of covers of 80’s hits and leverage Adam’s Idol fame and Queenbert experience. But they did not need to force Adam to walk, they could have just dropped him. Instead they wanted to try to make a bit of money before they dropped him.

  • marmom07

    Of those radio stations that did add his singles many barely played his songs. Even after Adam did a Radio concert for a DC station at most they spun his single twice a day. In the middle of the wee hours at night and in the afternoon. I know I was checking their web site that listed what they played and what time. That is not enough to be HEARD. That is pretending to play a song. They waited till it was off the chart before they gave it a few extra spins.

    Radio stations literally create hits today. IMO listener requests have little to nothing to do with what they play. If Radio PD’s decide to put a song into power rotation then the song moves up the chart. Especially because so many stations are owned by the same company. Radio has a self serving interest to be known as the station that plays the hits and what better way to do that than to get together with other PD’s and decide what to push and make a hit. Look at singles released by certain artists that are put into power rotations before anyone even hears the song and it flies up the chart based on spins. Hits are manufactured.

  • LeoCS

    “Just good, old-fashioned journalism.”

    Ok, Shirley. lol

  • Beaugard Stevens

    I would love to hear him sing some 80’s songs- just please, no “I Want to Know What Love is!”

  • elliegrll

    Normally, labels don’t say a word when they drop an artist. It’s been different for AI alums, because several of the people who cover AI, mostly Shirley, have actively looked for this information, but for the most part artists being dropped doesn’t get a lot of press.

    So, I would say that keeping quiet is the labels way helping the artist save face. By the way, I think it’s telling that for once Shirley doesn’t have a direct quote from the label.

  • marmom07

    In the past labels would be willing to put out more than one non-commercial album recognizing that it can take multiple albums for an artist or band grow a fan base and have hits. Many many groups considered iconic and classic today put out initial albums that did not sell enough. But the label was making enough money on other acts that it could afford to develop artists. Now the labels are either not making enough money to be able to float artists in development or they are unwilling to do business that way and only want instant cash cows.

  • bearcatnat

    Kudos to Adam for standing up for artistic integrity! RCA needs to join the 21st century and quit dropping artists like hot potatoes and trying to force them into lame covers albums.

  • supersonic

    I’m sorry. You thought that was a serious question. I was trying to be funny. Because to me, Darren Hayes is a nobody. He’s fallen off the face of the earth.

  • Pippygirl

    Well it was pretty obvious that RCA spent a bundle on Trespassing and just as obvious it didn’t make enough to cover RCA’s expenses (despite all the talk of how much it supposedly sold overseas).

    What’s also obvious is Adam’s PR team is working overtime for him, as it should, which you can tell from the heading of this thread. Other Idols “part ways” while Adam “walks away” head held high. Please…..
    Whatever. I firmly believe Adam will be fine, and will probably end up better off for this having happened.

  • elliegrll

    So, we can agree that the end result would have been that this would have been their last album with Adam. They didn’t think that they could make a profit if Adam released an album of original songs, which implies that they did not make a profit off of the second album.

  • elliegrll

    There are not a lot of real journalists who would fail to get a quote from someone at RCA.

  • supersonic

    Not sure why leaving a major label would be a “congrats” lol.

    For real.

  • J3$$!C@

    The label gave Adam too much freedom and both albums tanked. I think it would be best if Adam just listened for once. He is too stubborn. Perhaps, Broadway is where he is most at his element. Certainly not a pop singer.

  • Q_3

    I think everyone is actually telling the truth. Adam get the GLEE deal, was at odds with RCA, the fan response to Shirley’s article was strongly negative to the covers album idea, and Adam decides to walk — not the reason but the deciding factor. Whatever else, this final decision was recent.

  • Incipit

    “…if he ends singing an 80s song or two on Glee.”

    Well, of course he will. And all the songs will have been given the Glee treatment for the arrangement, and even more – he will lip synch them, because that’s what they do on Glee – – and when they go up on iTunes, he will get a flat fee per song, and Glee will take the iTune’s profits. (Because that’s also what they do on Glee).

    Also, Nobody knows how many episodes this is guest arrangement is good for, or how many cover songs. But as long as fans are so relieved that it isn’t this purported Album full of 80’s covers that might have been performed live, it’s all good, and the fans will be happy.

    Eat your heart out, Nigel, you couldn’t have pulled that off in a million years. *snerk*

  • abbysee

    Thanks.

  • Karen C

    I’m thinking the same thing. It’s possible it did happen like that.

  • Q_3

    FYE made RCA a ton of money. Trespassing did not. And he was not too stubborn to record the singles RCA picked and to promote them. I am sure that “Adult Pop” retreads are not his element. They could have at least let him release a modern pop-rock single.

  • elliegrll

    How can Adam decide to walk, when RCA held the option? At the very least, as many of us said when news broke that Adam was no longer with 19R, RCA decided not to pick up the option for Adam’s third album, which ended the original contract, and Adam has been in talks with RCA about trying to work out another deal.

  • supersonic

    So, what you’re saying is that it’s okay for him to sing an 80s song on Glee, but he better not dare put out an 80s cover album?

  • Willis White

    Oh, I knew you were being snarky. Just pointing out that Darren is not dead, and is still putting out some of the best male Pop music, only not in the U.S.

  • Karen C

    Maybe the new deal was for the cover album, and Adam decided not to take it?

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    but his sales is reflective of the label picking the wrong singles. Adam did his work, the best songs weren’t the Luke/Bruno forced ones.

  • Susan

    Broadway is not the graveyard for Idols. It takes enormous talent and stamina. I wish people would stop misrepresenting it as a backup. It isn’t.

  • Cookiebr7

    Thank God! I am one Adam fan who in no way would buy an 80’s cover album, especially one he would be forced to do against his will. Kudos to Adam for walking away and keeping his artistic integrity intact. He has a superb management team at DMG…..it looks like they are spinning this in his favor. I will look forward to seeing Adam appear on Glee, sing with Queen, and do other projects. I echo what others here have said that Adam is too creative and unique to be stuck with a conservative label.

  • J3$$!C@

    If I am Adam, I will put out a song talking about having a vision of domesticating women. That is selling like hot cakes right now. Make a video about boobs. He dosent even need to show up in the video. Just have the boobs sing the lyrics.

  • esther macha

    marmom07 just explained why.

  • Eileen99

    Shirley is ridiculous, as usual.

  • lovetheusa1776

    lol – Is there an unwilling puppet?

  • Danielle Fan!

    Maybe he should have done the album to see how it would have done. If RCA was pleased with it they might have given him a 4th “Orginal” disc.

  • disqus_gferna

    Adam seems to have millions of fans; everywhere was announced his new glee project, a lot of people has posted comments (like here), he has 2 millions followers, his concerts has very good crowds… but nobody buys his stuff. And this is what pissed me off the most; I wonder how many of the people who is defending him right now actually bought Tresspasing.

  • marmom07

    No because it would have damaged/diminished his credibility as an original recording artist. It would give the impression he had no music of his own worthy of selling.

  • supersonic

    Yeah. A biased explanation.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Good question in general, but for fans here and elsewhere that I know – definitely supported his music.

  • vamp111

    I just realized this-nobody from season 8 has a label anymore. They join season 7. They would have also joined 2, but Ruben and Clay have found new homes. Even the dumped on Season 9 still has somebody with their original label(Casey James).

    So Candice, Phillip, Jessica, Scotty, Lauren. Casey, Jordin, Daughtry, Carrie, Fantasia, and Kelly still have their original labels(not counting the smaller labels).

  • songsungblue

    I don’t really follow Adam’s career. I’m not a mega fan of anyone. But I don’t think you can call him ‘unsuccessful.’ It’s incredibly rare to have the kind of career that mirrors Kelly or Carrie. That’s not success, that’s mega-success. Remember, Adam gay and he’s out, and that’s unusual and is bound to figure in mainstream success. Adam sings with Queen, and generates some excitement and sold out concerts. From where he was when he auditioned for AI, I think he’s very successful.

  • Cookiebr7

    Q_3: Well said. Agree totally that the songs he was forced to release were Adult Pop retreads, and not his element.
    I hope there will be no more floating up the radio river with a Claude Kelly rubber raft.

  • H.A.

    STAR 102.5 KSTZ

    Scott Allen @STAR_MrAllen
    Wow! HUGE @adamlambert news. Much respect. Adam Lambert Parts Ways With RCA

  • lovetheusa1776

    Excellent.

  • J3$$!C@

    I doubt it. America just doenst care enough about Adam Lambert. With male artists like Justin Timberlake and Bruno Mars tearing it up, Adam just can’t hang with them and the music that sells. Maybe the 80s thing would have done decent in Asia. They love him there. But, I feel Adam felt that kind of album is beneath him. He thinks he is better. Reminds me of Stefano thinking they can do it on thier terms.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    lol from those people you listed above only 5 out of six who have had more than one album released. Wait until they drop their 2nd one and we’ll see:)

    And what this nobody has achieved, I bet those 6 would love to have even a portion of it.

    Good luck, Adam. I hope you’ll find a new label soon:)

  • Sassycatz

    I still don’t understand how Jordin still has a contract.

  • supersonic

    And this person is? Why should we care what they have to say?

  • tigervixxxen

    I believe about 10% of this entire story

  • irockhard

    They aren’t making enough anymore, I mean look at album sales compared to 2006. The baby boomers are actually the only ones keeping the industry afloat by buying catalogue music.

  • Montavilla

    I’m going to give a little thanks to RCA, too. They probably could have spun this differently, but they took the bullet and let Adam look like a hero for walking away.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    LOL, His first album tanked?

    If selling 2 million worldwide is flop, then yes it flopped big time:)

  • springboard2

    Ah ah, excellent PR from Adam and his team. And, Shirley, of course it was orchestrated. The timing is too perfect. Either you have been played or you were part of it and don’t want to admit it.

    Realistically, he is in the same situation as other Idols who have been dropped. They ‘part way’ with the label because they are offered a crap deal. It’s a nice way for the label; to let them go with them saving face.

    But since he has Glee and rumored new concerts with Queen his career is still afloat even if on a slightly different path for now. And it’s good to see that he can still get the press going.

  • marmom07

    Which implies that many are dropped from a label not because of talent but because the labels can no longer afford to develop artists. Unless the planets align and you get very lucky and have an instant smash hit the label will drop you. Which means artists have to look to other mediums besides radio to further develop a fan base and then try again with a different label. Which kind of looks like what Adam is working on.

  • Susan

    Ruben, Clay, Daughtry, Fantasia, Carrie and Kelly have all had 3 or more albums and all sold multiplatinum except Ruben and Fantasia.

  • Montavilla

    Huh. I thought it was NBC that was in desperate need of shows, which was why Smash got renewed at all.

  • vamp111

    Lindsay doesn’t really count as press lol.

  • Pat H

    Anyone who doesn’t think Adam doesn’t already have another label has not been paying attention to the way this man is. His business brain is scary smart! Watch for the next announcement early next week.

  • irockhard

    Pretty much. Music is a business and commercial success has nothing to do with talent. That’s not to say that many commercially successful artists aren’t talented (eg: Adele) but talent isn’t the reason for their success.

  • Pat H

    Shosh did an amazing job. I expect the new label announcement beginning of next week. :)

  • lovetheusa1776

    Balls of Titanium – lol

  • Nadine_Bitch

    The point is not if it was Gaga or Bieber or singers from decade ago. They are singers who knows how this business works. They know what it’s like behind the scene.

  • Jason Gorny

    Battlefield from her second album sold over a million copies here in the US. So RCA did make some profit and they still see potentials in Jordin which is good since she is still young.

  • Q_3

    He is the Brand Manager and Operations Manager for STAR 102.5 KSTZ & LITE 104.1 KLTI. He was part of the management team who worked on the Star 102.5 All-STAR Water Works Park Adam Lambert concert in Des Moines IA on July 28, 2012.

  • marmom07

    The irony of course is that labels will say that they are looking for talent.

  • irockhard

    Nope, that’s just what they say on talent shows like Idol.

  • Sassycatz

    Well, she must have some secret, magical pixie dust to make them choose to develop her rather than expect her to consistently make them a ton of money or else! It might be because she isn’t someone who wants total control of her music…. Just speculating here.

  • lovetheusa1776

    “The next album will contain some gangsta tap style verses about how RCA was keeping him ~down”

    Tweets are comin’ hard and fast. Fans are alert for action.

    More fun that Sharknado.

  • sd34567

    Lindsay doesn’t really count as press lol

    For real.

  • GlamMoonGoddess

    This is 2013, In what year did Ruben, Clay, Daughtry & Fantasia sell multiplatinum. In case you haven’t noticed the music industry has changed. Carrie & Kelly are a given.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Thank you, Q3 – you always come through. Gem.

  • Mel432

    Numerous people have figured it out, and they are pretty convinced Adam left many clues which label signed him. Adam fans will be very pleased. I just don’t know how soon he will be able to make the announcement. He likes to leave very clever but crafty clues. Just like the Glee clue Adam had on his Vine.

  • Q_3

    Actually we have no idea what is going on with Adam and recording contracts right now. All we know is he is out of his 19 Recordings contract and has decided to part ways with RCA. I expect there is more to the story that we will find out in the near future — we have not see the final act of this opera yet. And it was completely orchestrated.

    Archie is with EOne — an independent label but with its own distribution.

  • Q_3

    ITA — there is a Master Plan. ;)

  • lovetheusa1776

    Till the fat lady sings -

  • elliegrll

    She’s shown that she’s able to get people to buy her music. She didn’t start out with a huge AI fanbase, people in the bubble love to say that she isn’t an albums seller, and even though that’s not true, the albums that she did sell were due to having three hit singles.

    I think that Jordin’s situation with the first album, and someone at the label believing that she can have that type of success again sheds some light on what RCA thinks of Adam’s first era.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Ihana Adam Lambert on pestattu Glee-sarjaan! Vielä ei tiedetä, onko Adam vierailija vai vakkarikastia. @adamlambert

    True.

  • elliegrll

    Adam is an Adult Pop artist, at least as far as radio is concerned.

  • Montavilla

    Adam has had a publishing deal for a few years, but I haven’t noticed any of his songs being licensed to use by other forms of media, or being licensed to other artists.

    Didn’t a couple of his songs get licensed for commercials in Asia? Or was it a fake ad that had Psy selling something to an Adam tune? (Now I’m forgetting which one and if it was an Adam-penned song or one of the others).

    But I do agree with your general point. We don’t have any way to know how well the album would have done had RCA released other singles. I don’t think there’s any way to make a final determination on Adam as a songwriter.

  • Sassycatz

    Question … if Jordin’s label — is it RCA? — wanted her to do an album of 80’s covers, do you think she’d do it? I’m just wondering if she’s just more compliant or that they just offer some people shittier alternatives.

  • Pippygirl

    Maybe they are hoping that the visibility she gets from her acting career will help her music career? Also Jordin hasn’t released any music for quite a while so who knows what’s going on with her.

  • jpfan2

    Any statement by RCA yet? I have to admit the headline is funny. Walking away sounds way more amazing that just parting ways.

    Since Adam’s fans hated the covers idea this makes sense. I bet the same thing happened to Cook.

  • Sassycatz

    Wouldn’t you need to get RCA’s agreement? One can’t just walk away from a contract unless the other party lets you.

  • Q_3

    Adam’s contract has a clause in it requiring mutual agreement on creative direction. He did not agree with the creative direction and RCA apparently did not like the music he brought them. They wanted him to record covers, he decided to say no.

    Adam would have had to have left a big advance on the table to walk, so there must be more to this story. He is a very sharp business person and has excellent management.

  • elliegrll

    I think the wait is because someone at RCA still believes in her, but they know that it doesn’t make any sense to release an album before Jordin has a chance to increase her public profile.

  • vamp111

    At this point, saying Adam already has a new label is more wishful thinking. There is no evidence yet that he has signed with a new one. I’m not saying it can’t or won’t happen-but these things can take awhile. Especially since it just barely happened. Sometimes it can even take more than a year to find a new label.

  • jpfan2

    I guess both sides agreed to end the contract.

  • Pippygirl

    “Adam’s contract has a clause in it requiring mutual agreement on creative direction.”

    How do you know this? Is Adam’s contract available for public viewing?

  • elliegrll

    This is like how we don’t know whether or not Archie, Cook or Kris were dropped, or if their partings were mutual decisions. It’s not hard to come to the conclusion that the poor album sales, and the financial decision that things wouldn’t get better for any of them, played a role in why the labels decided not to exercise their next option on any of them.

  • supersonic

    I think she’d do it. She would probably jump at the chance.

  • supersonic

    Still. Why should I care what he has to say?

  • lovetheusa1776

    Tell it to Lindsay.

  • jdanton2

    Jordin is one of the most talented winners they have had and is set to release new music supposedly as soon as August.

  • elliegrll

    Maybe Adam has a deal in place already, which would lay waste to the idea that this parting with RCA just happened, but these proclamations sound just like the ones that were posted when Adam parted ways with 19. Back then the posts that were stated as facts said that Adam would have a third album with RCA. I’m going to wait and see what happens, and just listen to the people who actually have first hand knowledge.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Best female voice from Idol, IMO. And only 23.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    We, from outside US buy albums too, you know. I know most people don’t believed when RCA said FYE sold almost 2 million. But however you spin it, it’s not only 800k.

    ”Tour the world? Not quite.”

    Really? Adam toured in Asia,Europe, Australia, South Africa and North America/Canada. So, it leaves out South America. You think it’s not touring the world? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glam_Nation_Tour

    And I think you really overlooked Adam’s success. He may not be the great Carrie or Kelly but there’s not so many Idols who have his achievements either.

  • supersonic

    I still don’t care what he has to say because to me, he is not relevant.

  • Q_3

    I do not know enough to say that. Perhaps they could have compromised on something with commercial potential and a real promo plan. Perhaps there are loads of Idol fans who would buy a golden oldies album — just not something Adam fans want from what I can tell.

    I am sure Adam was not completely happy at RCA and he was open about his unhappiness with how they treated Trespassing.

    I have been openly critical of RCA’s handling of Trespassing since they picked BTIKM and then released it on 12.20.11 during the holiday freeze and had no music video until February 2012. The attempt to do a cheap online release was stupid. But to try to make a song go viral without a music video? What kind of F’ed up strategy was that. It was much more than a bad song choice, it was a bad underlying strategy.

  • Susan

    If one can then they all can. Justin Timberlake, Lady GaGa, Taylor Swift and Madonna can so there’s no excuses.

  • elliegrll

    That whole scenario is highly unlikely. Why would RCA give a big advance for a cover album? Based on the details of the original contract that were leaked, the advance was on a sliding scale, which gave RCA a lot of wiggle room, and was related to how well the previous album did. RCA wouldn’t have gone along with a big advance based on the performance of Trespassing.

    Also based on the original contract, and the contract that RCA and the other labels have had with every alum, the labels have protected themselves by having the right to refuse to pick up someone’s option. None of us know for sure, but 19R parting ways with Adam leads credence to the idea that RCA decided not to pick up the option for a third album, which ended original contract.

  • Q_3

    Things have been in the works since January 2013 — so I think that Shirley is not correct about this being just decided. Like with the GLEE news and Adam’s 6.28.13 vine clue that I think we all missed until after the announcement. There are things that meant nothing before this announcement, that make sense now.

  • elliegrll

    Jordin is with RCA. If they believe in her, I don’t think that they’d ask her to do an album full of cover songs.

  • esther macha

    True.

  • elliegrll

    Like with all of the alums, it was a mutual decision that came about because the labels felt that the artists could not make enough money for them.

  • Sassycatz

    I think a label’s “believing in you” is more about their limitations — we believe in you as long as you fit into our budget — as well as about how compliant the artist is re the budget.

  • elliegrll

    Of course. If they believe that she can make money for them they are not going to saddle her with an album that could hurt her image, sine that would harm her commercial viability.

  • Mel432

    Adam felt it was beneath him? Would Cook, Archie, or Kris do an album like that?

  • Nadine_Bitch

    I know, and I should say 5 out of 11, which I already edited. The poster said Candice, Phillip, Jessica, Scotty, Lauren. Casey, Jordin, Daughtry, Carrie, Fantasia, and Kelly are the only ones who have their original labels.

    But only 5 of them have more than one album released. So, six of them are only on their first album that’s why I said if Adam is a nobody like the poster said then those six would love to have even a portion of Adam’s achievements.

  • marmom07

    Not exactly true. IF RCA truly wanted Adam to do an 80’s cover album then they must have thought they could make money from that. Since Adam wouldn’t agree to that then he was free to walk away on creative differences. That isn’t quite the same as:

    the labels felt that the artists could not make enough money for them.

  • Q_3

    RCA has “wiggle room” but Adam gets $250,000 for a concert. So there is no chance he would agree to do an album for a small advance. So if they tried to have him do a cover album for a $200,000 advance he would certainly have reason to leave.

    The RCA option decision is not related to the 19R agreement which expired. And in that case Adam’s 19R contract ended — he chose to leave 19R. From January 2013…..

    A rep for Lambert says the two parties leave “amicably and with the utmost respect for each other,” adding that the decision is but one part
    of the singer’s “evolution,” which began when he joined Direct Management Group…

    A rep for 19 Entertainment tells THR, “It has been wonderful working with someone as talented as Adam over the years. Through the
    recording process, we have seen him grow into himself as an artist and we are proud of the success we’ve had together. We wish him luck in his future endeavors.”

    Link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/idol-worship/adam-lambert-19-recordings-part-411719

    Adam signed with DMG in August 2011, and this process started then — before he delivered Trespassing to RCA.

  • springboard2

    As far as I know, new artists recording contracts are for a certain number of albums on the artist side but on one album basis on the label side. In brief, the label can renew the option for the next album or not after teach album, whereas the artist has to wait for the end of contract to move on unless the label lets them.

    However, we don’t know what kind of contract was negotiated between 19 and Sony. 19 is a powerful organization and although they may not support the alums interest they would support theirs.
    It looks like Cook, Kris and Adam etc.. have all been able to walk away after being offered a bad deal. It is a better situation than being held a prisoner for years without a release. I am not ruling out that this is Jordin Sparks’ current situation since she may be on an older different deal.

  • elliegrll

    The agreement didn’t expire Q3, the NY Times printed the original contract that the top 40 signed. And exactly how are the two contracts not related? That doesn’t make a lot of sense. They are tied together. Adam, like all of the alums, was signed to 19R, and his music was licensed to RCA. RCA had 5 options, at any time they could decide to stop exercising those options.

    You are stating things as fact, even though it’s highly unlikely that you would be aware of the terms of Adam’s contract beyond what has been reported in the press. One minute you post that this break just happened, and that Adam was meeting with RCA in June, even though that seems to be a conclusion that you jumped to just because Adam was in New York at the end of the month, and the next you say that this has been in the works since January.

    I don’t have anymore information than you do, and I’m not going to start calling my opinions facts, but there is really no reason to assume that Adam’s contracts with 19 and RCA were different from any of the other alums. How can Adam’s contract with 19 have expired, when that hasn’t been the case with any of the other alums who still have their record contracts?

  • Q_3

    Adam has mentioned it in interviews and also it is in Shirley’s comment above. “Both sides would have to agree on a creative direction in order to move ahead with the recording contract.” Plus, the Season 8 contract with 19R was filed in California and is a public record (because there was one with a minor). Anyone can see them who wants to pay for copying charge and go to the court.

  • elliegrll

    Just like with the Davids. It’s all the same.

  • elliegrll

    Actually, there were two minors. And since you know that, you also know how long the contract with 19 was for, so why are you saying that it expired?

  • Sherry

    This has nothing to do with Cook. Different situation entirely. It was Adam’s decision to walk that is the truth because Adam said it. Believe what you want.

  • Sherry

    I’m thinking Columbia

  • irockhard

    Interesting, so Jordin might be a hostage? She’s supposed to release new music for years now and keeps getting delayed. If she releases nothing this year then that’s what I’m gonna go with.

  • Sherry

    I agree Adam is too good of a business man not to have a deal in hand with another label.

  • Sherry

    Adam is too smart for that give him credit.

  • Sherry

    I for one have been hoping for Adam to decide to leave RCA they are too conservative and basically hung him out to dry w Trespassing. It’s their loss.

  • Sherry

    Wow how is what you said supporting him. You doubt what he said?

  • Danielle Fan!

    Jordin still has her recording contract because she is a money maker. She has sold over 10,000,000 singles, 1.6 million albums, has movie deals, broadway deals, endorsements with big companys etc. Adam isn’t doing half of that.

  • Sherry

    I don’t think he needs a fan like you. Can’t believe you even made that comment.

  • supersonic

    I feel as though Lambert thought doing an 80s cover album was beneath him.

  • elliegrll

    This is what we know from the two minor’s contracts from season 8:

    The length of the contract that the alums have with 19R was longer than the contracts that new artists usually sign.

    The time limit was offset by the artists getting a larger advance than what new artists usually get.

    The contracts were with 19R, and the music was licensed to the labels.

    The labels had options that they could exercise or decline.

  • jpfan2

    Just because someone makes money touring doesn’t mean they make money for their label. Obviously RCA only wanted one kind of album from him. They are all about what have you done lately. They dropped Cook and Adam both with similar sales.

  • Mel432

    Maybe the label doesn’t care, but Adam does a lot better than Jordin with touring, not only in the US, but overseas too.

  • Sherry

    Oh now I get it you are another disgruntled Cook fan.

  • Sherry

    If Adam said he walked away he walked away. Why are some fans saying they support him then saying they doubt he walked away.

  • Sherry

    You don’t know jack s***. Are you his manager? Don’t be making statements like you know or have read his contract.

  • vamp111

    If “walking away” from your label was this simple, Kelly would have been gone a long time ago lol.

  • Sherry

    Wrong again. Just give it up Adam had an international contract rest did not.

  • Q_3

    Only one minor had a recording contract — Alison. Jasmine Murray only had the Idol contract.
    **
    Adam’s 19R contract expired in January 2013 — 4 year contract. 19M contract expired June 2011 — 2 year contract. I have been unable to find out the expiration date on Adam’s 19 Merchandising contract but believe it expires in January 2014. This is very important to fans. It needs to expire before Adam can control his own merchandise and fan club sales.

  • Sherry

    go away

  • jpfan2

    Jordan did very well overseas at her peak. She just wrote a top 40 hit.For her songwriting ability alone I can see why the label hasn’t dropped her. She has lots of potential.

  • Q_3

    I believe Kelly has a different contract than the Idol from Season 5-9. But perhaps someone who follows Kelly knows.

    I do not thing this departure was easy to pull of. Looks like it took almost 2 years of effort.

  • Q_3

    For Idols, RCA does not get anything from touring, appearances, endorsements, merchandise, etc. Just recorded music revenues and licensing fees.

  • Sherry

    I had heard that people that comment here are haters of Adam and I’m finding that to be mostly true. They are a gang of misfits who don’t have a life and are so jealous of Adam’s success and bitter about their favorite idol being dumped by RCA. Adam is an international star in every country in the world. If RCA had done their job he his sales would be much higher for TSP. It was RCA that failed him. They gave him little to no promo for Trespassing and radio wouldn’t play his music cuz RCA wouldn’t fork over the big bucks to get his music played like they do for some of RCAs other artists. Like it or not Adam is here to stay for a very long time.

  • Q_3

    The full contract is available.

  • springboard2

    I don’t know if it is the case with Jordin, but from what I understand it is something that labels do when they are not interested in investing in an artist but still want to eliminate any risk that they could be picked up by another label.

    It looks to me like Melanie Amaro may also be in this situation since she is still signed with no release in sight.

  • marmom07

    I disagree. When you get to the level of the artists you listed then radio fast tracks all of your new singles. Nothing, however spectacular, that Adam or Kris or David C etc put out would ever get the instant power rotation that those artists get. That power rotation, both pushes the song up the chart and gives their music far, far more visibility which drives sales. Because the music is heard and heard and heard, As in change the radio station and every station is playing it to death. Music tends to grow on people and the more they hear it the more they like it.
    Plus the stats are fewer and fewer singles or albums are selling that much.

  • Sherry

    RCA fronts the artist with money to produce album. RCA has lost many good artists because of their lack of ability to find an artist like Adam then do nothing to promote him.

  • Q_3

    Adam is a singer-songwriter who has created some great music. Why wouldn’t he want to do record his own music? And why would he want to put out an album of music from 3 decades ago?

    If RCA really wanted to do this (and I guess they did), he really had no choice but to move on.

  • Mel432

    Who said it was simple?

  • elliegrll

    I know it is, which is why it’s not good to state things as facts, when they are just opinions or speculation.

  • Happyhexer

    And that’s why I’m not a fan (or, more accurately, am only the most casual of fans). I want to hear music I like, not necessarily music the artist wants to make. So I have Adam’s first CD (which I like), but not his second (which I don’t). But I agree that any artist has to do the type of music that makes them happy, or what’s the point?

  • Q_3

    This is the reverse of that. Adam announced he is leaving when he is still on the RCA roster.

  • Q_3

    My information is different than that but perhaps I was misinformed.

  • elliegrll

    Both Allison and Jasmine signed the contract, The whole top 40 signed the same contract.

    Q3, the recording contract is with 19R, the music is licensed to RCA. The 19 contract lists the amount of the advances, and has both the years and number of albums that the contract is for, which makes sense since, and this is very important, 19R, not RCA, is the label.

  • Happyhexer

    I would have bought that album, but I think I’m outnumbered, lol! It’s all good. Adam will be all right.

  • Q_3

    I had the same response when I first read the article. Then I was sure that RCA could not be that out of touch with Adam’s audience. But I was wrong.

    And ITA he will be fine.

  • elliegrll

    How is it the reverse? As far as the public knew, right before the announcements people didn’t know that RCA had parted ways with Lee and Kris. And as far as we know, RCA parted ways with Adam months ago, and Adam is just now leaking out that information.

  • elliegrll

    Or just stating an opinion as a fact.

  • Q_3

    I actually agree with you and believe Trespassing is almost certainly in the red. I just disagreed with this statement “There’s probably around 1.5-2million left to recoup” and responded accordingly, I do not know enough to figure out where Trespassing is. My guess is that the deficit could be less than $1.5 million but we know so little that anything is possible.

  • Q_3

    I have little to no info on Trespassing — no one except RCA and Adam/his management know the numbers.

  • Mandy

    Yes, you are right. I am surprised at how much time they are spending trying to discredit him. One claimed that him joining Glee got no media coverage (even though it was the internet, TV and on many printed newspapers around the world) and another claimed he didn’t do a world tour. He’s played on every continent except for South America and Antarctica.

  • irockhard

    The contract elliegrll is referring to is the one that the entire S8 top 40 signed with 19 Recordings before the voting rounds of that season. This contract was made public due to Allison being a minor at the time. I have the contract for S10 which was uploaded by E! Online in 2011, again made public cause Scotty, Lauren & Thia were minors.

  • springboard2

    It may be the case with Jordin. . She has done well and had many hits. She is also the only idol with Kelly that got radio play in the UK.
    But she hasn’t done much recently, and despite a hit , her second album didn’t sell well. Her situation isn’t clear-cut.

  • Happyhexer

    I sure hope that’s true, because it would be a nightmare if RCA had some claim to his recent work. Trying to extricate songs written while under contract is not fun. I’m thinking you are right, that the split happened a while back, and that what Adam has done since is work he can shop around to a new label.

  • hellomusicgirl

    Archie did talk about his discussions with Jive shortly after the information about him no longer being with them went public. The whole “he was dropped” meme came from his angry former manager, whom he had fired that same day. Accurate unbiased source, right? She was a real peach.
    Archie said (in a vlog on his YT channel that I would link to but probably no one really cares to watch the whole thing lol) that there were offers from the label to continue working with them but he felt like it was best to move on.

    I’m not one of those fans who denies that sales had something to do with it. Absolutely they did. Likely what happened is, since Archie had fulfilled his 3 album contract, Jive wanted to renegotiate and he wasn’t feeling their offer. So he turned them down. That was in Feb 2011.

    Knowing now what we didn’t know then, I think he was aware at that point he would be going on a mission. That may have played a big role in his decision as well. He just had some loose ends to tie up. Like providing tours for his fans in Asia and the U.S. and fulfilling the promo stipulations of his deal with MoTab for the Christmas season of 2011. Which all set up the timeline to him leaving in the first part of 2012. And it’s worth pointing out that he still had/has a relationship with Sony International even after leaving Jive. They sponsored part of his Asian tour after the Jive split and have released albums for him in multiple locations overseas since then.

  • Q_3

    The news that Kris was dropped came from RCA: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/idol-worship/kris-allen-american-idol-deal-dropped-371658

    The news that Lee was dropped came RCA Records CEO Peter Edge.

    I do not believe that anyone knows what was going on with Adam’s third album except that he was recording demos and is working on it. And that there were creative differences.

    But Sony Music was promoting concerts for him in Asia and Europe in April, 2013.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Sorry, but it was Adam that failed RCA. They let him co-write almost the entire album of “Trespassing” and he just didn’t have the talent to come up with any good songs. They gave him a chance, and he blew it. He asked for a chance to write most of the album, and he got it- but he let them down because he could not come up with anything of quality. They were way too nice to him, they should have told him he wasn’t a songwriter, certainly not good enough to write most of a million dollar project having almost no experience or success at being a songwriter- and they should have told he could have a couple of songs and if any of them managed to be hits, they would think about letting him write more. But no, he got greedy and delusional and delivered a third rate album.

  • Warren20

    Typical Cook fan..trying to relate everything to him…Apples and Oranges..Lambert has a career and leverage..Cook has none of that. Lambert can succeed without RCA..Cook is invisible and falling further and further out of the spotlight with each passing month of silence.

  • Q_3

    Actually Archie’s situation sounds a bit like what happened with Adam. And I think David Cook may have had an offer to stay with RCA but with a weak deal and left. But my thought on Cook is just an impression from the THR article which said “parted ways”.

    And of course sales have something to do with everything. In Adam’s case, if Trespassing was 7x platinum, RCA would be giving him total freedom and probably offering to water his lawn and walk his dog if he had a lawn and a dog. But that is not the situation Adam is in.

  • marmom07

    OMG I strongly disagree. I like all of the songs on Trespassing and more than half I really love. My daughter (18) who is not a huge fan of Adam’s remarked just last week (I was playing his CD in the car) that his music sounded just like what was being played on the radio and couldn’t understand why it didn’t get real radio play.

    Just because the music isn’t to your taste doesn’t mean it’s bad music.The album got very good reviews overall.

  • J3$$!C@

    AWESOME POST. Adam thinks he is better than he is. He is cocky and stubborn. Bad combo.

  • Warren20

    LOL..the Cook fans continue to try to make it about themselves. He’s a failure and he’s done. Get over it and move on. This story has zero to do with David Cook.

  • irockhard

    Yip and now with UMG again the contract is with 19R (the label) and the music is licensed to Interscope and Mercury Nashville (the distributor) if the Idol is country. Of course that’s only the Idols that are signed with 19R though.

  • Mandy

    The two singles released were ones he didn’t co-write. No one even heard the songs he co-wrote. And how can you say the songs are not of quality? The critics reviews I saw were mainly positive. You are forgetting that many of the people he co-wrote with were seasoned hit makers. Pharrell co-wrote two of the songs and Bonnie McKee wrote another. Cuckoo got great response when it was played on Pretty Little Liars. Can’t think one of one person who did not like Shady, co-written by Sam Sparro and featuring the legendary Nile Rodgers.

  • elliegrll

    The news that Kris was dropped came the day after RCA posted a video of one of his performances on their site.

    You said that RCA was still promoting Adam earlier this week, and my question was are you referring to tweets that they sent out. You didn’t answer the question, so my question is how is this different than the tweets that were sent out by RCA during the weeks that Shirley announced that Lee and Kris were not longer with the label?

    Kris’ parting of the ways was made public by Shirley, the same is true with several idol alums, including Adam. The difference is that Shirley actually made the effort to contact someone from RCA to get quotes for her article. For some strange reason she didn’t bother to do that in this case.

  • elliegrll

    At the end of the day the only thing that we know about any of these artists is that if their albums had done well they would still have their recording contracts. We don’t need to make anything else up, or state opinions as facts.

  • Q_3

    How could an Adam song be a hit since RCA only promoted singles written by other people?

    I can understand not liking Trespassing but it is not a third rate album. Billboard gave it an 86 out of 100. Rolling Stone gave it 4 stars “So here’s the great pop album everybody was hoping Adam Lambert would make…”

    And while sales were not great, it was the #188 selling album of 2012 in the US — not great but not a total commercial failure.

  • Warren20

    Am I crazy or is it kind of weird he’s walking away over having to do an 80s cover album when the only thing that he’s getting press for lately is playing with Queen..who had quite a few 80s hits, but did most of their work in the 70s. Oh well..at least he’s more aware of getting himself out there than most Idols..and he doesn’t shy away from getting his name in the headlines. He at least has a chance.

  • springboard2

    I do not thing this departure was easy to pull of. Looks like it took almost 2 years of effort.

    Do you mean that Adam worked on RCA for two years in order to be able to break away from them? In what way did he do this?

  • Warren20

    Sorry..for a major label 188 is a flop…especially considering how much they spent on it.

  • Mandy

    Really? I haven’t seen any press of him playing with Queen lately. It might be a sentence in an article about something else, like the Glee thing, but don’t remember seeing any recent headlines about him and Queen. Even when it was occurring last year, didn’t see much in the US press.

  • Mandy

    How do you know how much they spent on it? There was hardly any promo at all.

  • Q_3

    Well he actually said he is walking away because “Artistically & professionally, I think it is essential that I continue with this evolution. I am already deep into writing new material with some very talented colleagues for a brand new album, and I
    can’t tell you how excited I am to share this new sound &
    direction. This music is where my heart is, and I believe that is what my fans want to hear.”

    And only speaking for myself, I was thrilled to see Adam perform with Queen in London but I much preferred the recent Adam Lambert concert I attended. So I am one fan who can appreciate Adam singing classic rock music, but who is anxiously waiting to hear Adam’s new music.

    Ummm and Queen did not do most of their work in the 1970’s — 70’s were 6 of their 15 studio albums, and 23 of their 62 singles.

  • marmom07

    …when the only thing that he’s getting press for lately is playing with Queen.

    He just got a ton of press for joining Glee.

    He was in press in LA for the award the city handed out and made a day Adam Lambert day, various one off concerts here in the states etc etc

  • irockhard

    Not always. But for the type of advances Idols get yes it’s a flop.

  • Warren20

    Yeah..but how many of them do you remember compared to the 80s ones..’nuff said.

  • Warren20

    Yeah..but how many of them do you remember compared to the 80s ones..’nuff said.

  • elliegrll

    Radio tours are not cheap, in fact they are so expensive that some labels are cutting back on them. People get mixed up about the type of promo that the label does, and the promo that the management is responsible for, it’s an incredible exaggeration to say that RCA didn’t support Trespassing.

  • elliegrll

    Radio tours are not cheap, in fact they are so expensive that some labels are cutting back on them. People get mixed up about the type of promo that the label does, and the promo that the management is responsible for, it’s an incredible exaggeration to say that RCA didn’t support Trespassing.

  • irockhard

    Oh Melanie is definitely a hostage as far as I can see. TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if some Idols did what they can to flop on purpose to avoid this. NOTHING is worse than a label holding you hostage.

  • Mandy

    Well RCA chose the singles, Adam did not. So it’s their responsibility. From the enthusiastic response of Cuckoo from Pretty Little Liars, that is the single they should have chosen.

  • Mandy

    Well they sent him on radio tours full well knowing that the PDs were not going to play his music. How is that smart and how is that Adam’s fault?

  • Warren20

    You’re right..I should’ve prefaced that with “press that anyone who cares about music pays attention to.”

    Look…Adam’s probably the best Idol out there as far as bringing attention to himself…he’s the polar opposite of a guy like Cook…but he’s becoming a parody of himself more and more as the days go by. And sorry..doing Glee doesn’t help. He’s a media star..but as of right now he’s no longer a music star. And leaving RCA will make that an uphill climb for him.

    But if anyone has a chance it’s Adam. I think David Cook basically signed his career death warrant when he left RCA..but Lambert is so media savvy he has a chance.

  • HKfan

    You obviously care enough to read the many hundreds of comments that have been written on the Adam threads this week…….

  • Q_3

    I have no idea how much was spent on Trespassing. I would like to know. But there was not a lot spent on promotion.

  • springboard2

    Well they sent him on radio tours full well knowing that the PDs were not going to play his music.

    Why would they know that PDs would not play his music since they played the singles from FYE?

  • Warren20

    And I’ll turn your question to me back on you..how did you know that they knew PDs weren’t going to play his music? Trust me..labels aren’t going to just throw money down the toilet willy nilly. Stop being a fan girl and admit it was a commercial failure and it wasn’t entirely the label’s fault.

  • Mandy

    How do you know Glee won’t help? He will be singing covers, right? Isn’t that what the Idol audience loved and prompted them to buy his first album? And how do you know that he doesn’t have another label already lined up? Are you psychic? Remember Katy Perry left her label and went on to do much better on the next one. Katy and Adam have the same management so it is possible they do the same thing with Adam as they did with her.

  • marmom07

    How is he becoming a parody of himself???

    He’s constantly changing his look. Lately it’s with a beard and no makeup (can a non-make up self parody a glam-makeup self? if that’s what you were even referring to). Even when he’s not touring he continues to do several concerts a month. He just did the San Diego fair and he has the Mid county fair coming up next week.

    So no he not just a media start he’s a singer out singing concerts even while working deals and starting work on his next album.

  • Warren20

    Because he has a beard now he’s not a parody of himself? LOL. I think that’s an example of why he is. What’s Lady Gaga doing with her appearance this week?

  • irockhard

    For the Idols signed to major labels I’d say 300k is the bare minimum they have to sell in order to warrant the label picking up their next option. Everyone that sold 300k and over got their next option exercised, everyone who failed to hit that mark got dropped.

  • Warren20

    Yeah…with a bunch of PR spin about how “things didn’t work out and it was mutual.”

  • weareallinnocent

    Whew! Huge sigh of relief (and glee :-) ) from me! Definitely the right move, imo, apparently shared by Adam. Yay!!

  • Mandy

    The PDs were played different selections and they chose NCOE. But so they released it and none of them played it. The label should have seen from the first few stations that something was wrong and should have changed their strategy. Or at least make some kind of agreement with the remaining stations before having Adam come out. Adam came to my local radio station and they did not play any of his songs at all. Again, how is that Adam’s fault? He did not choose the singles.

  • Warren20

    You’re right…and now that Adam is free of his label success will rain down on him. Just ask David Cook.

  • marmom07

    you can’t parody or mimic yourself, you missed my point about his changing style.

  • Mandy

    Because the PDs picked NCOE and then didn’t play it. He went to tons and tons of stations. When the label realized they weren’t playing it, they should have just stopped sending him out. Again Adam did not pick the singles, the label did.

  • irockhard

    LOL PR spin. TBF Adam’s team is supposed to make him look good, it’s their job and they’re very good at it. He’s fortunate that he has such a supportive team like that.

  • Warren20

    Believe what you want to believe sweetheart.

  • Warren20

    You don’t think changing your style is parodying yourself? Especially for a guy like Lambert? I don’t mean to sound insensitive..but he’s gay..he’s expected to change his style with the shifting currents.

  • Q_3

    But most of Adam’s radio tour was support by concerts. He did the Philadelphia are promo tied to a concert in Wilke-Barre which a radio station sponsored and paid for, then he went to DC and got $75,000 plus all expenses to do the 2012 FRESHtival for 94.7. He did that all over the country during Summer 2012 and then went to Asia, NZ, AU, South Africa, Russia and Europe funded by his tour not RCA. In some countries, Sony Music did promo support.

    I can’t find any part of it that did not have at least one paid event to cover expenses and pay Adam and the band.

    So there was the recording expenses, packaging, manufacturing, distribution and a bit of promo — 2 music videos, a small bit of online advertising, and no apparent promo money for radio. RCA also probably paid a guarantee for songs for the singles but that was their stupidity. Plus all the normal admin expenses.

    What else?

    The reason Adam fans are so happy he is leaving RCA is because they appear to have bailed on Trespassing — or at least were not behind this album.

  • marmom07

    What you just said doesn’t even make sense. You are really pulling at straws to find something negative to say about him aren’t you. No I don’t believe that he is in any way parodying himself. He’s out working hard singing music.

  • Warren20

    Blah Blah Blah….xxx label picked the wrong single..funny how afterwards the artists never seem to be able to find a single that connects..of course then the blame falls on the fact that the major label dollars aren’t there to promote it. You people are hilarious.

  • marmom07

    The artist does not choose the singles!

  • Warren20

    Yeah..so what about when they have total control and they still flop?

  • HKfan

    He does sing some 80’s covers at his shows, always has done, he loves the 80’s music, lots of youtubes available to watch. He enjoys doing the covers, but recording a whole album of them is not what he wants.

  • marmom07

    you aren’t making sense again. The two singles released Adam did not write on. Even the EP does not have total control.

    Why do you care so much? Why spend so much of your time trying to tear down someone?

  • Warren20

    Not trying to tear someone down..in fact I already said if anyone has a chance it’s Lambert. I’m more tearing down the system.

  • Mandy

    Are you psychic? You don’t know what the future holds. Adam is not David Cook. Adam is much more known internationally. He won favorite international artist in China, which has a huge population. He made $6 million one year for touring and I have no doubt he will be high up on the Forbes list this year for all the shows he did. David was not asked by legends to front them. He was not asked to be a mentor on AI, to host a singing show like VH1 Divas or to be on Glee. Look how much world-wide press Adam got for the Glee thing. Has David ever got press like that for some of his recent accomplishments?

  • Warren20

    But to think that the music failed because he did not have full control is naive.

  • marmom07

    A tweet from Nile:

    Nile Rodgers ?@nilerodgers2m

    @adamlambert Yo Adam, you’re one of the most amazing singers I’ve ever worked with! “And that’s all I have to say about that”~Forrest Gump

  • Warren20

    Actually David was asked by a mentor on AI to be on his label..but obviously you are too blindly devoted in your fan-girlism to make sense…and by the way I’m not defending Cook…I think he sucks..but let’s call a spade a spade.

  • Q_3

    I assume you mean compared to the 70’s ones. Since I am a Queen fan — I probably know all of them.

    “Crazy Little Thing Called Love”, their first US #1 hit, was released in the US in 1980. A few other post 70’s songs — “Under Pressure”, “Another One Bites the Dust”,
    “Radio Ga Ga”, “I Want to Break Free”, and “The Show Must Go On”.

  • marmom07

    nvm

  • Warren20

    I won’t dignify this by listing the ones that came in the 70s..you know them. And really..you’re listing Radio Ga Ga as an achievement in their career? Why didn’t you just include Flash Gordon?

  • Mandy

    How is having the honor of being the first Idol to be a mentor on AI the same as being asked by a mentor on AI to be on his label? Are you talking about David Foster? If so, that is funny.

  • Warren20

    Because being a mentor/judge on AI is a really prestigious thing? They go through them like yesterdays garbage.

  • HKfan

    At least 3 of his songs have been used for tv programme adverts in Asia, and the beer ad with Psy is real, has been seen (and videoed) by Korean fans . There’s also been quite a few videos from South American tv shows and European shows that have used his music.

  • Mandy

    I think he passed that with international sales.

  • Axxxel

    First Glee, then gloom, then hopefully soon rainbows and sunshine again… and a new album one day ?

  • HKfan

    Quite a few times I have read things from fans that having reached radio DJ’s to request Adams music and have been told that they will never play his music, and the ‘gay’ word has been mentioned…

    Not saying that is true of all radio stations but it has happened at more than 1 or 2.

  • irockhard

    Doubt it.

  • Q_3

    Really, I am not seeing a lot of gloom. Adam fans seem to be mostly happy he is free of RCA and did not want him to “have” to do an 80’s cover album. I am certain we will get a better album without RCA’s involvement.

  • Warren20

    Always ready to fall back on those infamous and mysterious “international sales.”

  • Mandy

    Being the first Idol to do so is. I remember lots of fans of others were pretty pissed off about it. And is it David Foster you are talking about? That’s pretty funny.

  • Warren20

    Really..how is being the first Idol to be asked to mentor helping his record sales?

  • marmom07

    Awe Adam replied and then Nile replied back:
    Nile’s first tweet:
    @adamlambert Yo Adam, you’re one of the most amazing singers I’ve ever worked with! “And that’s all I have to say about that”~Forrest Gump

    Adam replied to Nile’s tweet
    @nilerodgers RUN FORREST RUN

    then NIle again
    RT @adamlambert: @nilerodgers RUN FORREST RUN

    Nile has worked with soo many artists/stars in the past he knows a good singer when he works with one. If you haven’t read Nile’s book I highly recommend it. He’s been working in the industry for decades and he’s busier than ever!

    I hope they can write together for this next album. That would be magic.

  • vamp111

    Yeah he seemed pretty happy with them to my knowledge.

  • Q_3

    Probably over 250K approaching 300K. US + Canada is around 210K. But I do not think there is any single factor like this that is used to decide whether to exercise an option or not.

  • HKfan

    well said…it always bugs me how some people dismiss us ‘non American’ fans as if we don’t mean anything.

  • Emmy

    So relieved – go Adam! A covers album would have killed his career, hard to believe RCA couldn’t know that. Excellent move, and well played with the release of info. I also sincerely doubt he’d leave RCA without having another label waiting in the wings. Most intelligent people don’t quit jobs until they have another lined up. No doubt Adam will (and probably already has) come out of this ahead.

  • Mandy

    Well it peaked in top 20 in 14 countries and his international shows had great attendance (16K in South Africa, 13K in Finland, 7K Shanghai, 5K Hong Kong, thousands more in the other countries). Assuming those were fans, most likely many of them bought his albums. From what I hear the Asian countries are hard to get any figures from. If he sold 185K in US, it is not far-fetched that 115K could be from international sales. Last album, more of his sales were international rather than domestic.

  • Mandy

    So what proof do you have of that?

  • irockhard

    No major sales in any of the major markets like Japan, Canada or the UK. Countries like Finland and China are tiny markets for record sales.

  • Q_3

    If you are really interested, read Adam’s Tweets about the choice of singles and music politics Starting in Fall 2011. It became very apparent with the statements made in January 2013 by Adam and his reps.

  • Mandy

    Well the person keeping track of numbers on the site I go to has calculated it as over 300K. I guess neither of us will ever know for sure but I am confident of it.

  • marmom07

    interesting how everyone who’s worked with Adam or interviewed him has come away saying how humble he is and how great he is to work with.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    If he had written a good enough song to release as a single, they would have. But he didn’t. Daughtry wrote good songs for his first album, therefore, they released them as singles. This isn’t rocket science. If he didn’t get a song as a single, it’s his own fault because he didn’t write one good enough to be a single.

  • marmom07

    Or because the label couldn’t see that one of his songs would be a better single. Labels aren’t perfect and get it wrong.

    It’s all moot now. Yes the Trespassing album was not a big commercial hit and his singles didn’t chart. But this isn’t the end of the road. Adam is still working and he’s still a talented performer. Perhaps you will like his future collaborations better or perhaps you won’t. No big deal.

  • marmom07

    I don’t doubt what he said. But my point was it doesn’t matter.

  • Q_3

    I guess it depends what the definition of major is. Trespassing charted in at least 33 countries. Sold in many other countries.

    Here are the top 10 markets and some GUESSES:

    1. US should be over 190K in wholesale sales since retail sales were at 185.

    2. Japan – peaked at #15 – no sales numbers available, but let’s just say 10K since the first week would have to be over 10K to chart this high.

    3. UK – peaked at #16, first week sales 8.5K so apx.15K total.

    4, Germany – peaked at #28, only 1 week on the charts, no sales number – so apx. 5K

    5. France – released but did not chart – 0K

    6. Australia – peaked at #10, 3 weeks on chart. 5K

    7. Canada debuted at #1. Sales should be around 20K since it sold 7,300 in the first week. Canada is usually around 10% of US, Adam does better in Canada usually.

    8. Brazil debuted at #8. Sales are unknown. so apx 5K

    9. Italy – released but did not chart – 0K

    10. Netherlands – debuted at #30 – apx 2K

    That puts it at 250K without counting the other countries that Trespassing charted in. So Finland and NZ are small, but Trespassing was on those charts for weeks. And China is now the #18 market in the world so Adam’s sales there are not a rounding error.

    Lots of guesses above, but the cart positions and what we know, lead me to believe that sales are approaching 275K-285K.

  • Mandy

    I didn’t say it was helping record sales. You said he was not going to be successful. I was trying to say that Adam is not David Cook, he is a lot more well known and is getting a lot more gigs, including the mentor one with millions of viewers. His performance the next day is the sole reason his song WWFM got on the top 10 Hot 100 in Billboard. His success doesn’t have to be solely based on record sales. Artists don’t make much at all on record sales, it’s on touring and other ventures. You should know that. Like I said, he made $6 million in one year. How in the world is that not successful? He is a multi-millionaire. He wears expensive designer clothes. He has the 3rd highest booking fee out of all the idols. $150,000-$250,000+ for domestic and $450,000-$749,998 for international. This is the guy that used to live in a roach infested studio and his parents had to buy his food and pay his cell phone bills.

  • Q_3

    I have been critical of the lead single chose and promotion since December 2011 when RCA announced it. The posts are still online. It would not have mattered if it was a Top 10 hit, it had nothing to do with Trespassing (album) or Adam’s creative direction. RCA picked it, Adam tried really hard to prove it was a mistake. He tried again on the second single to get RCA to pick one of three singles instead of NCOE. They did a review with key PDs/MDs and research in advance. RCA still picked NCOE. We do not know what the PDs really said, but we do know that Cuckoo won in the hits testing. And Cuckoo was the song that moved on iTunes after it was performed on PLL.

  • Not fit to print

    WOW! Go away for a day and 437 posts later!!!! IMHO the press attention paid to both of this week’s announcements augur well for Adam’s continued success. Many other Idols have been dropped by RCA and ended up on other labels. In addition to Columbia, there are other scenarios, including working with Queen on their label, which he is now free to do.

    If this was going to happen, it was better to happen sooner rather than later. My big fear was that they would hang onto him and do nothing.

    YAY to MJ for the Hollywood Reporter shout out! I love it!

  • marmom07

    nvm

  • Joe Daniels

    Warner Bros. Records needs to sign him up right now.

  • springboard2

    But until these recent developments, fans were claiming that Adam and RCA were getting on fabulously because he made tons of money for the label with international sales particularly, and they were giving him substantial artistic control with the album production, and also they got him the brilliant single that was NCOE.
    This is very confusing!

  • Joe Daniels

    Ten bucks says Adam Lambert will be the new lead singer of Queen with new material on the side..

  • Mandy

    That doesn’t make sense. How can an album with so many good to great reviews not have one good song on it? By your logic, it should have had terrible reviews across the board. Tell that to Pharell, Bruno Mars, Bonnie McKee, Sam Sparro, BC Jean, etc. who were either writers or co-writers. How do you explain how Cuckoo got great response when it was played on Pretty Little Liars? I remember lots of tweets and YouTube comments by people who didn’t even like Lambert but said they liked the song.

  • Q_3

    Actually, the label is usually the one that confirms an artist has been dropped. But it is not unheard of for the messaging to be managed by the artist.

    David Cook who also gave the news to Shirley, and “parted ways with RCA”. He controlled the messaging pretty well.

    Other Idol alums have not managed it so well.

    Peter Edge personally announce the Lee drop.

    An RCA rep told several reporters (Shirley first) that Kris was dropped.

    Archie seems like he could have done it more effectively but his management did not seem to plan/manage the messaging very well. A Jive spokesperson confirmed that “David was released from our roster.”

    Clay didn’t even get an announcement, RCA just removed him form there website and fans noticed it. Then Billboard (Shirley Halperin) reported it. Turned out he was drop 2 months earlier and still RCA made no comment.

  • Mandy

    And how come your avoiding answering the question about David Foster? Are you realizing that it was a silly comparison?

  • usedtobelucy

    “Watching glee and a pop album are stuff I like, 80s covers not so much.”

    The 80s cover album is something you hold in abeyance until you’re 50-something. I can see Adam doing quite well with a series of decade albums when he’s an old guy, still a great singer, most of his fans have gotten too old to really cotton to the music that’s current at the time — and he has even more decades so it can be a decade series. heh

  • Q_3

    I will take that bet. They are supposed to be planning a one-night event for TV, maybe the EMAs in November, but no tour is in the works. Adam will do what he says in his letter, put out an album with his own music.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Queen was just in the news about working on some old Freddie Mercury tapes they had in hopes of releasing them as new material for the band, there were apparently a couple of Michael Jackson/Freddie Mercury tapes the two had worked on and now the band wants to release them in some form. Mercury was supposed to be the co-singer of “State of Shock” with Jackson but he was replaced with Mick Jagger. So Queen will be busy on their own, I am not sure anything with Adam is going to be soon.

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    Cuckoo was going to the the lead single and RCA chickened out. Things would have gone differently had that happened. He needs a label with backbone. Every review sighted weak single choices by the label.

  • usedtobelucy

    Good to know. Thanks for reporting that. And…interesting.

  • Q_3

    Oh I hope not. Adam wants creative freedom. That would be a bit like getting “out of the frying pan and into the fire.” Anyway, no sign that is where he is going.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Because the media wanted to support a gay out male pop singer, that’s why. If it was as good as some of the reviews said it was, then a) it would have sold more b) it would have gotten a Grammy nomination, which it didn’t.

  • Q_3

    Sony Music Belgium ?@sonymusicbe 1m
    @heyhihallo We love @adamlambert and we love @gleethemusic so we’re VERY excited! #GlambertGlee

    Guess the interns in Belgium do not know yet. :) These are happening all over the world today.

  • usedtobelucy

    “Adam has some amazing songs on both of the albums released post Idol, too bad most people have not heard them.”

    The fact that this is absolutely true not only of Adam, but of many other Idols, and non-Idols, really really really makes me wonder what the hell is going on with the ways we distribute music today and why it’s such a risk-averse, middle-of-the-road, limited-in-scope mediocre music world on radio and so on ….

    But then I think of network television and the movie industry, where all they do is squelch people’s interesting ideas and make the same films over and over, and I’m less surprised.

    I guess when you’re looking for the big money and the big money only, quality is the first casualty and hopefully-this’ll-appeal-in-a-lowest-common-denominator-kind-of-way is the principle that wins every time.

  • H.A.

    Interesting comments from fans of some of the artists on RCA.

    Good! Maybe he can actually get the success he deserves with another label who knows how to market him.You go, Adam.

    He’s lucky. RCA is such a terrible label now. They only promote singers who songs and videos all sound, and look the same…. and they’re not even that great

    A covers album? What kinda stupid label.

    Good for you Adam. I hope he finds a label that will promote him right and I’m looking forward to his next album.

    About the damn time. Trespassing could’ve been MASSIVE.

    I applaud him for escaping their clutches. hopefully K$ will follow soon

    Xtina needs to do this tbh

    Good for him. A covers album is a terrible idea. And it’s kind of condescending too considering he has written his own songs.

    So his third album will definitely be his best yet

    wow, creative differences with the people at RCA. what a shocker.
    such a terrible label. he’ll be better somewhere else

    First Avril now Adam…
    Who’s next? Kesha? Christina? Kelly? Alicia? Usher? Chris?

    But I’m glad he left the label. RCA is awful. Trespassing could’ve been a hit.

    Good for him, RCA has effed up albums by Avril, Christina and Kelly, you deserve better dude

    NAUGHT comparing him to David Bowie but seriously………… THIS IS THE LABEL WHICH HAD DAVID BOWIE FOR HIS CREATIVE MUSICAL YEARS! The mainstream music industry for the past 30 years has been in steady decline. Sad.

    That’s what you get when the focus goes more to “the business (Industry)” and not to the “music (art)”

    This is typical RCA. They always try to change the vision of the artist or tracklist…

  • usedtobelucy

    “Is there an unwilling puppet?”

    Well, there are short-term unwilling puppets. Most reporters get played at least once or twice, because there are so many many high-paid, slick people out there who are trying very hard to play you. Shirley, of course, is in no way a short-termer.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    And maybe a bit miffed that she didn’t get the scoop? lol

  • usedtobelucy

    “Nope, that’s just what they say on talent shows like Idol.”

    Oh, I don’t know. I also see them say it in every press release about hiring a new top executive or A&R person..

    They don’t mean it, of course, but they still want to claim that they’re in the arts business, so I haven’t seen a press release yet in which they flat-out said, “We hired Mr. X because we think he’ll do the best job of ferreting out somebody or something that can make us the biggest buck in this weird new world we’re living in.” They still always say — “We hired Mr. X because he’s got such a great record of finding and developing talent.”

    Interesting that they do always talk as if they’re still in the old world, even though everybody — except talent-show contestants, I guess — knows that they are firmly in the new one.

  • Warren20

    Measure of success=he wears expensive designer clothes. LOL…where does this end?

  • usedtobelucy

    “I thought it was only Simon Cowell who always wanted his acts to do all covers albums.”

    Well, Simon is a record-company exec. I think he’s got pretty much the same priorities as others, he’s just more blatant about them — and is on tv all the time…..

    And I don’t think they suggest a cover album to people who don’t have a rabid-but-too-small-for-them fanbase who might buy it and who don’t have excellent singing chops, because the not-so-great singers couldn’t pull it off. Simon with his talent shows has lots of acts who have both the attributes needed.

  • usedtobelucy

    I vote for “she is seeking to play the readers.” Don’t know how Shirley could possibly be unaware by now of her own status as volunteer pawn, could she? If she really doesn’t know that she was played — sheesh.

  • YankeeFan08

    Yes, this is true. I remember Adam saying that his contract was different in that his was international. I wish I could remember the specific interview so I could link it here.

  • usedtobelucy

    “That power rotation, both pushes the song up the chart and gives their music far, far more visibility which drives sales.”

    “Them that’s got shall get, them that’s not shall lose” is definitely the theme song of the music industry where radio is concerned. The idea that it’s all talent and skill that makes some people into superstars is just silly, if you ask me. Radio music is a lot like music in commercials — when you hear the jingle a million times it sticks in your head and you like it . It probably can’t be an absolutely terrible jingle and have that effect, but it doesn’t have to be the greatest jingle out there to have it, either.

  • Q_3

    Many artists do cover albums — including some artists I greatly respect who have produced great albums.

    But according to Adam, RCA wanted a 80’s cover album. And that is a different, more limited and less relevant idea than a cover album with a more interesting over-arching theme.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    lol Fans don’t know anything about what’s really going on behind the scenes with their Idols.

  • chillj

    I don’t blame Adam for this; it would be stultifying for him as a vital artist to do an album of covers at this stage of his career. On the other hand, I am a big fan of his voice, but not his music product, so I might have bought the album. Seems like his has options. He is too talented not to.

  • alterego

    I doubt he passed with international sales. And it was ultimately his lack of sales, whether domestic or foreign that lead to the decision. It always is.

  • Q_3

    I am fairly certain that I would buy it and so would many other fans. But I much prefer to have new, real Adam music.

    And Adam has always said he wants longevity. An 80’s cover album would make RCA (and Adam) some money but really what does he do next? An album of 70’s hits?

  • Q_3

    Perhaps some fans were posting that Adam and RCA were getting along, but most fans have been very negative about RCA particularly after RCA decided not to release a 4th single from FYE when the second single was #10 in the US and the third single was Top 40.

  • shtick

    Bawahahahah!!!! “Walked away” my ass, he got dropped months ago for the same reason they dropped every other Idol they dropped – poor sales.

  • Q_3

    Well if that is the case, we’ll know that is what happened when an RCA Rep comments and says, no we did not want Adam to record an all covers album. In the meantime, I really doubt Adam would be so specific about the nature of the creative differences if RCA did not actually want him to record an 80’s cover album.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    And yet you have subsequently posted:

    “Things have been in the works since January 2013 — so I think that Shirley is not correct about this being just decided. “,

    http://www.mjsbigblog.com/adam-lambert-walks-away-from-his-rca-contract.htm#comment-960676034

    “Actually we have no idea what is going on with Adam and recording contracts right now. All we know is he is out of his 19 Recordings contract and has decided to part ways with RCA. I expect there is more to the story that we will find out in the near future — we have not see the final act of this opera yet. And it was completely orchestrated.”

    http://www.mjsbigblog.com/adam-lambert-walks-away-from-his-rca-contract.htm#comment-960664713

    “ETA: Looks like this decision was not recent and things have been in the works for a while.”

    http://www.mjsbigblog.com/adam-lambert-walks-away-from-his-rca-contract.htm#comment-960616683

    which is exactly what I was saying, that the parting between Adam and RCA happened a while ago and the publicity was all orchestrated. The bottom line is that fans do not have any idea of what’s been going on behind the scenes, and using bits and pieces of public comments and the PR-speak used in announcements to support what really happened is all in the realm of fan speculation, not actual facts.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    moved

  • Ronnie D

    This goes to show that you can be a good singer til hell and back, but if you don’t have material, you will be just standing there with your mouth open. Good thing Adam is so versatile so he can adapt his career to the opportunities that will arise.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    If Shirley honestly believes that the scenario that she wrote in her response to MJ’s ETA is true, then she’s far more naive than I thought. If she is trying to manipulate readers, then she’s far more stupid than I thought. lol

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I know virtually nothing about entertainment law, but I imagine that it could be possible that contracts are amended all the time so that not all of the Idols had exactly the same details.

  • Q_3

    I guess it is apples and oranges to me. The issues with RCA are not new — for example, they did not agree with him on Trespassing and delayed the release and they added NCOE as a second single try.

    But that is not inconsistent with him still being on RCA’s roster in April, 2013 when he was in Asia. Otherwise, why were Sony execs at his press events and concerts?

    And why this strange comment from Shirley Halperin’s column in January 2013?

    According to sources, January marked the expiration for that contract, although he is still on the roster at RCA Records. “It’s good for both sides,” says an insider. “Adam can move forward with his plans and 19 isn’t stuck in the middle.”

    I think that the middle was probably a contract negotiation with RCA, if not what was it?

  • Guest

    Well, he has “walk away”. He can’t stay on RCA’s studios anymore. lol

  • Q_3

    Probably all the fans in this thread have at least one legal copy. But with anything Adam, there are often verbose commenters who have not even listened to the music they are commenting about.

  • Q_3

    But some of his songs are great. The issue was not about quality, it was about lack of vision on RCA’s part.

  • elliegrll

    No label rep would ever say that about Adam or anyone else. That’s not how the business works. And as you agreed earlier today, if Adam’s album had sold well, and RCA still believed that he was marketable, or at least marketable enough to make them the type of profit that they want, he’d still have a contract. Profitability is always the deciding factor.

  • elliegrll

    The problem is that Adam has not proven his viability.

  • elliegrll

    It’s seems contradictory to believe that a 1980’s cover album would hurt Adam’s image and chances of being seen as a viable and relevant artist, but fronting Queen alongside its 60 year old surviving members wouldn’t result in the same thing.

  • elliegrll

    There are a lot of albums that have received great reviews that have flopped, and a lot of albums that have received bad reviews that have seen mega success. A review is just a person’s subjective opinion, and it does not reflect how the markeplace or industry will react to an album, song or movie.

  • elliegrll

    Peaked where, on Itunes or on a list of the albums sold in a particular time period? How are you using either to determine how much the album sold overall? We know that in the US a song can be top ten it’s debut week, but then sales can fall off of the earth the next week.

    This isn’t about picking numbers out of the sky. If Adam had done well overseas, it was not obvious in the countries that are responsible for the bulk of the albums that are sold, and RCA would have picked up Adam’s next option.

  • Ronnie D

    I do agree, there are some great songs on both albums, but the singles that were released kind of left me scratching my head (besides WWFM).

  • Ronnie D

    Your envy is delicious.

  • waitingforthe1

    and yet he just got signed to the cast of Glee.

    How silly does RCA look supposedly dropping someone who can generate 100s of news articles based on two random tweets?

    Sorry but the media attention that Adam receives is unlike any within the idol bubble. Carrie and Kelly don’t even get that kind of coverage.

    RCA could have made better decisions about Adam’s music. His first album sold almost 900K in the US based on two singles. RCA was headed by Barry Weiss and he supported and believed in Adam. He left and whoever took over either didn’t know or didn’t care to know how to promote Adam.

    Personally I don’t think it matters how this went down. Everyone is happy. Those hoping Adam would get dropped get to clap their hands and celebrate. Those hoping Adam would leave rather than do a cover album get to clap their hands and celebrate. Both sides win.

  • elliegrll

    We have first week sales for Japan, and they were not impressive. The numbers released for Japan were a reminder that for the most part international sales are the icing on the cake, but not where the label is going to make the bulk of its money.

    Also you are taking chart position and coming to a conclusion about sales, but not specifying which charts, or giving how you are coming up with a figure for what these positions might mean.

  • shtick

    I think that’s just too much truth for many here.

  • Joob

    Shirley, I don’t believe you for a second……..

  • elliegrll

    As I said, Adam is going by the same playbook that Archie did. And his fans are saying the same things that Archie’s did. It’s all the same. At the end of the day the only thing that is true is that both Archie and Adam would still have contracts if their album sales were better.

  • shtick

    and yet he just got signed to the cast of Glee.

    And what’s that gonna to further his career in… wait what exactly is his genre now? Musical Theater? That’s part of his problem, one day he’s a Lady Gaga wannabe, the next a Pink wannabe, the next a Freddie Mercury wannabe, the next a wannabe actor. He has no artistic vision or direction, he just wants to be a stah.

  • tripp_ncwy

    The next for RCA will probably be Britney since she is on the last album of her contract with Sony (RCA/Jive) and was being heavily courted by LA Reid while she was on US XFactor and Barry Weiss. If I remember correctly JT is also at or nearing the end of his contract.

  • elliegrll

    and yet he just got signed to the cast of Glee.

    How does this show his viability as a recording artist? How does it lead credence to the hyperbole that he’s the greatest artist ever, greatest writer ever, or even a pop star? What does it have to do with RCA believing that he is marketable as an artist?

    I’m not even knocking the show, but RCA is interested in whether or not they can make money off of Adam’s music.

  • YankeeFan08

    Well she’s not doing much of anything now, is she? I never hear anything about her. The last thing I heard from her was that I Am Woman song that was pure dreck.

  • waitingforthe1

    I’ve never seen Adam as a “wanna be” anyone other than himself.

    the music industry is dying a very slow and very painful death in case you missed it. Record sales for the majority of artists are a fraction of what they were five years ago. Sure, there are still a few solid sellers like Swift and Timberlake but they are the exception and not the rule.

    I have to assume anyone who chooses to go into the entertainment industry does so with the hopes of being a “stah” otherwise why not work at home depot and sing in their local bar on Saturday night or do local theater on the side? Acting as if wanting to be a star, which Adam already is and has been since 2009, is a bad thing confuses me since he has the talent to warrant that stardom.

    I’d rather someone with Adam’s talent, personality and intelligence be a star than someone whose only claim to fame is making a sex tape or having a famous last name.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The bottom line is that this decision was not made in response to Halperin’s article as Shirley claims, and no matter what snippets of public comments or pseudo-information that you post, whatever you or any other fan posts about what’s going on (or has been going on) with Adam and RCA is speculation, not fact.

  • Disraeli99

    “19R, not RCA, is the actual label that Adam was signed to.”

    Check and mate. I don’t presume to know anything about contracts and all that stuff, but I do think I have lots of plain old common sense, and a finely tuned bullshit detector. I’d figured when the 19R “parting” spin happened in January he’d been effectively dropped… there’s IMO no need for his fans to try to spin that – getting dropped is an occupational hazard AND IMO an inevitable eventuality when artists lose their ability to make money or be profitable for their label. I feel that TPTB at 19 and RCA sunk way more into the marketing, production, promo, distribution of Adam and his music than they felt they ever be able to recoup. And like all business they probably felt it more expedient to find a way to cut their losses. Voila, here we are.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    That was a masterclass of making lemonade out of lemons, aka presenting potentially damaging news in a positive light.
    I am with people who suspect that the separation has happened some time ago, and his team was waiting for a piece of positive news (Glee role) to sweeten the pill and release the story in a controlled manner.
    Now instead of mourning the loss of recording contract his fans are celebrating the release from tyrannical label, and the story (if picked up by press) will be presented in the same light.
    If there is truth behind speculation that other Idols have been offers similarly unappealing deals before getting dropped their PR should have spinned it to their advantage as well.

  • waitingforthe1

    I’ve yet to see more than a few hardcore stans claim Adam is the greatest artist ever….Justin Bieber’s fans make the same claim…he can sell albums, do you think their hyperbole is warranted?

    You said Adam hasn’t shown himself to be viable. Anyone who can generate the kind of media attention that Adam does is viable, now whether RCA knows what to do with that viability is another question entirely. To clarify, the point I was making is that RCA looks foolish if they actually dropped someone with Adam’s high profile considering how obvious it is that there IS an interest in him by the media and obviously by the public at large otherwise the media would stop reporting on him. They report because he generates hits. If he didn’t bring traffic to their stories they would find other stories to post about that would bring the traffic.

    Handled properly Adam could be as big as any other pop artist out there and the media attention shows that to be true.

  • elliegrll

    Record sales are lower because of the introduction of new technology. No one has to buy a while album when they can get the songs that they like for as little as .99 or even for free. Youtube has become the way that many people listen to new music. People can have 1000s of songs on their phone all of the time, but only spend $10 a month for that to happen.

    The industry is not dying, it’s changing, just like it has always changed. And it’s not changing because people are no longer consuming music.

  • Goodvibes27

    I guess Adam learned from the negative publicity some idols received when they parted ways with the label and took some proactive action. More power to him.

  • elliegrll

    The hyperbole is warranted for anyone, but at least it doesn’t look so pathetic, when the artist in question is actually selling music, and getting that music played.

    The media pays attention to Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hiton too, but that doesn’t mean that anyone should pay their music any attention. And site hits obviously doesn’t equal people taking money out of their pockets and buying music.

  • Sharon S.

    I would not argue that commercially, “Trespassing” was a disappointment. No matter what the sales figures ultimately were, it’s clear they were not enough to satisfy RCA. Whatever. It happens.

    However, nobody – no matter how often they repeat it – has convinced me that just because RCA apparently is convinced that Adam is not a viable recording artist, it means that Adam is, in fact, not a viable recording artist. Labels can, and often have, made mistakes in that regard, and IMO RCA has made one. My own unshakeable opinion is that the “Trespassing” era had the potential to be his breakthrough – many reviews from respected publications shared this opinion – but it was horribly mismanaged. I remember all those listening parties for the music press and radio in the UK, and the song almost everyone pointed to as an inescapable hit was “Cuckoo”. “Trespassing” also came in for its share of kudos. Both of which happened to be Adam co-writes, and both of which represented him, his album and his POV very well. Armed with this information, what does RCA do to launch the “Trespassing era? Release a “safer” choice. BTIKM. And does it during the December radio freeze, insuring an uphill battle for the song and the era right from the start. And the for the most part, decisions didn’t get any better from there.

    I don’t know for a fact when and how this whole scenario played out. I don’t know whether Adam has another label or not. I DO know that if RCA essentially told Adam that it was an 80s cover album or nothing, he was absolutely correct to choose “nothing” and get the hell away with “Trespassing” as his final artistic legacy with the label. I also know Adam has been smart and savvy enough to surround himself with a strong team, which is something not always – or even often – seen with the other Idols who have parted ways with their labels.

    And I am optimistic that Adam will find another label that will understand how best to utilize the talent, the charisma, the work ethic and the media interest that he brings to the table.

  • Larc

    Can you imagine the avalanche of snide comments if Adam had done an album of covers? Singers are ridiculed for putting even a single cover on an album, as thoroughly stupid as I think that reaction is. But live performances are something else altogether. They occur and are gone. Albums stick around forever. All it would take is one album of covers for people to label Adam a covers singer.

  • waitingforthe1

    you’re right, the industry is changing and people are changing the way they consume music.

    In an era of social media and internet proliferation you’d think RCA would be smart enough to know how to market an artist like Adam who is a genius at social media and whose internet profile is obviously so massive that he can get mentioned in a story and generate 100s of comments within a 24 hour period.

    IMO Music theft/piracy and the fact that artist stopped thinking in terms of albums and started thinking in terms of singles is what has killed the industry. Most albums are 90% filler so you’re right no one wants to buy an album for $15 only to get 3 really great songs so they buy the songs and not the album.

  • elliegrll

    Whose doing the commenting, the amount of unique commentators, and those people actually buying the album are important factors. What does it say if someone can put up the hits that you mention, but can’t turn that into people buying the music? It makes it look like someone is a celebrity, but that celebrity is not based on the music.

  • elliegrll

    So you don’t think that the Queen concerts didn’t help cement the idea that Adam is an adult pop singer, or that the Queen gig didn’t just carry over the image that this is a guy who is going to sing covers and old songs? Some fans wondered why the gigs didn’t get a lot of buzz in the US, but why would they? Queen isn’t getting played on pop stations or even most Hot AC stations. When they do get airplay in the US it is on oldies stations. How does that help Adam create an image of someone who is relevant to the current market?

  • wordnerdarchie

    I agree with what you said, you hit the nail on the head. Cook addressed the issue after his single “The Last Song I’ll Write for You” was spotted on Amazon/iTunes as a non-label release. I wish his management had been a little more pro-active, but that doesn’t seem to be Cook’s style, lol.

    His comments on the subject were pretty low-key and left for a lot of speculation as to the details: “After the 2nd record my deal was up with 19 and RCA, it just felt like it was time to try something different. so we’re kind of just doing the self releasing, see how this song does and see what happens from there. I love the creative control.” He mentioned in another interview about the burdensome Idol contract. IMO, if you’re an idol and don’t have fantastic sales, you know that renegotiation of your contract downward is inevitable. Then it becomes a question of whether the terms will be what you can live with. With Archie, Cook, and Adam it appears the terms were not to their liking.

  • alterego

    I don’t think the public is that gullible, lol. And the industry knows the truth. He “walked away” after a flop CD. It’s not he “walked away” at the top of his game.

  • waitingforthe1

    Well we don’t know the sales numbers so it’s difficult, actually impossible, to say how much music is being bought, especially world wide.

    Right now what we know is that RCA wanted a concept album. Adam wanted something else. If RCA didn’t want to give Adam a third album why even offer up the concept album in the first place?? they could just not exercise their option and be done with it.

    another thing we do know is that Adam has a fanbase that is passionate and involved. We also know that he has more than his share of detractors and it’s been my opinion/experience that if someone doesn’t have haters then they aren’t going to make it in this business. Apathy is the worst thing for an entertainers career.

  • newinNM

    I’ve had a very enjoyable morning reading everyone’s opinions, and like they say, opinions are like a$$hole, we all have one, so here’s mine! ;) Was he dropped or walked away, does it matter? He’s no longer with RCA, what matters (IMHO) is the kick a$$ job his PR team did with the announcement! Peeps like to chat about the success or failure of Adam’s recording career, I think if you look at it as a whole from both RCA’s point of view, separate from Adam’s point of view, you get two completely different stories. Lets start with RCA, if you take all the revenue from and the albums, EPs, YouTube, etc. We can safely say, no Adams time with RCA was not financially successful and yes that is why he was dropped/allowed to walk away. Sad but true. Now if we look from Adam’s point of view, the last few years as an RCA recording artist were very successful. Platinum singles/album, Grammy nom, #1 BB album and the opportunity to work with and learn from world class writer and producers. He’s also made some great connections in the music business and earned a reputation as gracious, hard working and professional. He’s successfully toured with both albums which earned him lots of money and (again IMHO) a reputation as an amazing live performer. Plus all the fun he’s had traveling and the experiences and opportunities presented to him. IMHO, from Adam’s point of view, things don’t look too bad. Can’t wait to see what happens next!

  • Karen C

    I doubt if RCA will ever say anything. And I agree Adam wouldn’t have been so specific if it were true. He could have just said differences in direction, though maybe he would have if it wasn’t for the HR already saying this.
    I can believe that RCA would think that a cover album would be profitable, kind of a carryover from him being on Idol and having his covers be so successful.

  • girlygirl

    And possibly with Kris and Lee the others who have left SMG as well. The common thread is disappointing sales, so it’s entirely possible SMG had the same negotiating tactic when their contract options came due

  • girlygirl

    That label has had its share of problems lately. I don’t know if that would be a great place for Adam to land.

  • Larc

    It doesn’t. But it’s a momentary event that’s here and then gone. Albums are effectively carved in stone. There’s a permanency about them that guest performances with revered icons from the past don’t have. Further, when Adam sings with Queen, they are determining which songs he sings. It’s on them. When Adam records an album, the appearance is that he’s doing the choosing. That’s on him.

  • chloe18

    what? I’m a fan of him and his music not his friend lol. The reason I’ve stayed a fan this long and haven’t lost interest is b/c I really like his music. If I no longer like it why buy it? I just can’t see continuing to follow an artist if your no longer into their art.

  • LeoCS

    The poster didn’t say Adam is a nobody

  • elliegrll

    We know the numbers in the US, and we know that the album didn’t perform well in the major music markets outside of the US.

    I think that RCA didn’t exercise their option long ago, before any discussion of an album of covers started. I can say that that’s just speculation on my part, but it would explain why Adam’s contract with 19R ended.

  • elliegrll

    Everything that an artist does plays a role in how the public perceives them.

  • Incipit

    “I bet the same thing happened to Cook.”

    I’ve seen that suggested several times, but there are no signs of that. The covers album is AL’s Exit Story, jpfan2. DC only said he and the Label saw different goals down the road when they sat down to discuss the next move – so they parted ways on good terms.

    The person who brought up doing a covers album was Shirley, in the exclusive 2012 interview – DC never connected it to RCA when he said “No”, and the most he elaborated was that the RCA contract was “heavy”.

    Actually, except for the cover story and the implied time line, what’s going down in this parting of the ways is the same thing DC told us in 2012. RCA or their reps never commented at all.

  • Karen C

    Exactly ! He just needs a label that will promote him right. I also think being a viable recording artist isn’t the same as being commercially successful, because one can still be working as a recording artist even if they aren’t as commercially sucessful as others.
    I also agree that the single selection and promotion was mishandled by RCA and I have seen them do that with others also.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “RCA or their reps never commented at all.”

    They never comment when an artist leaves a label and I don’t think that they will comment about Adam either.

  • Larc

    I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Adam has already connected with another label and they are waiting for an appropriate time to announce it.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “If RCA didn’t want to give Adam a third album why even offer up the concept album in the first place?? they could just not exercise their option and be done with it.”

    Because they believed that it would be profitable. I think that’s why Rod Stewart recorded all of those cover albums, even though it appears that he wasn’t thrilled about it.

  • Kitwana

    I’ve had the fortune of providing prepublication legal advice to journalists of all types for a decade and a half – from investigative to police beat to entertainment journalists. in my view, what Shirley does is so far from good journalism, she’s like the McDonald’s of real food. In my opinion, her brand of sensational, one sided, and unsourced reporting apparently directed at boosting her favorites is an insult to good journalists around the world. If she really believes that her “scoop” is based on good journalism, then I believe she’s stupider than she looks.

  • girlygirl

    I would say they spent less on Trespassing than on his 1st album. But I would bet that they spent a lot more on producing & promoting it than they did on Cook’s 2nd album or Kris’ 2nd album or Archie’s 2nd album, etc.

  • lovetheusa1776
  • girlygirl

    I think 300K in US sales is probably close to the benchmark — not worldwide sales. Because the label has to spend even more money to promote albums overseas, so unless the album blows up worldwide, the sales might not offset the additional costs

  • girlygirl

    It sounds like a reasonable # to at least use as some sort of benchmark, especially given the history of the Idols getting a 2nd album or not. But there would be other factors such as singles sales, film/tv/commercial usage, cost of recording/producing the album, etc.

    What I don’t think is a big factor are the reviews the artist gets. Unless those reviews result in Grammys or other major awards. Some of the best reviewed artists in the world sell very little and have lost multiple label deals, while some of the worst reviewed have gone on to sell millions of albums and/or singles. And in the end, this is still the music business.

  • alterego

    Every time an Idol is dropped, that’s always the go-to answer.

  • waitingforthe1

    sorry but you comparing someone with Adam’s talent to Paris or Lindsey kind of invalidates your argument.

  • shtick

    It’s not about talent, it’s never about talent.

  • Ho Lee Fuk

    Adam fans in China would love Adam to sing 80’s hits. Boo hoo!

  • shell29

    Yet the result is still the same…both albums underperformed and both are no longer with RCA. The only difference is the spin.

  • waitingforthe1

    so you’re opinion is that RCA dropped him and then 19R dropped him because RCA dropped him but RCA kept him on their roster, on their website, kept promoting him, etc out of the goodness of their hearts because they just really like Adam and didn’t want to embarrass him by announcing that he’d been dropped??

    I’ll give my opinion on how I think things went down….it’s just as likely as any thing else I’ve seen said so here goes:

    Adam’s contract with 19R expired in January, he didn’t renew. He went on tour in Asia until Mid March, he came back and had all kinds of things happening from the GLAAD awards to pride to whatever so talks never really started until around late April/early May. at that time the label floated the idea of a cover album by Adam and said that was the only option for him to get a third album with them….he was thinking about it while his management maybe put out feelers to other labels to gauge interest as well as begin groundwork on other projects besides a label for Adam (see Glee)….when the management got what they were looking for the story was leaked to Shirley about the cover album to see what fan reaction would be and when that came back largely negative Adam went back to RCA and said no thanks thus ending contract negotiations and his relationship with RCA.

  • queenrosered

    I’m really only commenting now because I’m LOLing at your username! Hilarious!

  • LeoCS

    I actually think this 80’s album was never on the table

  • esther macha

    Omg Ho Lee Fuk that just made my day. Best username ever!

  • Larc

    If RCA actually “dropped” Adam, they did it by making him an offer he couldn’t accept. ;)

  • shtick

    “Ho Lee Fuk” an instant username classic.

  • queenrosered

    The failure of his last album was due 100% to RCA’s failure to promote him properly. They changed personnel and the guy in charge who was really into Adam’s artist vision was replaced by a moron. I can’t tell you how very many people I talked to who know who Adam is but had no idea he even had a second album out! They were incredulous that they hadn’t heard it on radio.

    Adam IS a performing celebrity world wide.To deny that would simply be delusional.RCA has it’s hands too full like a plate juggler and they drop many plates left and right. They have a “sling the spaghetti and see if it sticks” mentality and look only at the beans they’re counting.They have no vision when it comes to true artists. Pop pablum is what they invest in, period.

  • shell29

    I’ve never gotten the impression that there was any hard feelings from RCA (or the Idols that have “parted ways”/been “dropped”/”walked away”) when a decision is made to part company, even with the Idols that aren’t exactly media darlings. Both sides have always been pretty respectful.

    The “spin” usually comes from the some in the Idol media world. Shirley is a journalist but she’s an Idol fan too who has her favorites. I don’t hold any grudges against her for it but it is what it is. She will and has reported news like this differently based on who her favorites are.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    I know, when did Shirley Halperin become a journalist?

  • Jaejae1

    This was so the right move. Hopefully he lands at Interscope or a similar label if he doesn’t go Indy. I’m very proud of Adam and so glad that all his fans were so vocal regarding that crap cover song album idea. I’m not worried about him just as I don’t worry about Kris or David C or any of the talented Idol peeps who aren’t with the original label. Adam, like them, will be fine.

  • YankeeFan08

    Hmmm … he’s from Billboard … wonder what this is about :)

    “Even more news coming Monday”
    https://twitter.com/ahampp/status/356079143378616320

  • Q_3

    Looks like part of the story went to Billboard —

    ahampp@ahampp 3m
    Even more news coming Monday RT @THR: EXCLUSIVE: @AdamLambert Quits RCA Records in Protest of Covers Album http://j.mp/13VUdQg

    ahampp@ahampp
    Billboard reporter, karaoke enthusiast, water balloon neck holder. Formerly L.A. Bureau Chief, Ad Age
    New York, NY
    Billboard.com

  • newinNM

    Interesting, let the speculating begin!

  • Q_3

    She has been doing Idol Worship for about 10 years. She has a lot of sources and good relationships with many people associated with the show.

  • queenrosered

    It’s plainly obvious you need to consult a dictionary for the meaning of “parody” And your intent may not have been to sound “insensitive”, nonetheless….

  • Jason Gorny

    possibly kelly clarkson after she release her sixth studio album in 2014.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    They are not going to say anything. It’s like when American Idol let Kara go, they told her she could say what she wanted and they would back her up- and she came out saying that “she” had decided to leave American Idol.

  • Q_3

    That sounds pretty likely to me.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Well, so can Lindsay Lohan but that doesn’t mean anyone wants to see her in a movie.

  • Incipit

    LeoCS, watch the Exit Story morph over the last four days – from the first mention, the covers album is supposedly only one option of several under consideration – then it’s the only one talked about, then it’s going against musical ideals that prevent singing 80’s covers, unless it’s for Idol or Queen or lip synching for Glee, then it’s the Deal Breaker and ends AL’s RCA contract – but only when the fans disapprove.

    Heh. The only part of this I buy is someone could have thrown out a cover album idea, at one point a few months ago – and that is enough truth to be a hook for the rest of the Exit Story to hang from. That’s how you DO a PR Spin…and they do a nice turn.

    See where it grew from, THR on 7/08/2013? (Emphasis mine)

    According to sources, Lambert’s label, RCA Records, is pushing for an all-covers album. Specifically from one highly influential decade: the 1980s.

    A rep for the singer tells THR, “Nothing has been determined yet,” but acknowledges that the idea of a concept album of songs from another era is just one of several currently being bandied about.

    And there’s the seeds of the Exit Story – from a concept album among other ideas to the Reason RCA and AL parted ways. The covers album is the culprit, you see?

  • shell29

    I agree with you. In my opinion, it’s speculation that makes no sense when you consider that Adam had one big Grammy nominated hit single and another moderate follow-up hit single. So radio has played his music. I don’t think anyone can say definitely that radio wouldn’t have played any other tracks from Trespassing if they had been released as singles instead of BTIKM or NCOE.

  • bridgette12

    Part II- the rest of the story.

  • elliegrll

    That article was written by Shirley Halperin, and not another outside or credible journalist. I wonder what info. is Adam’s PR team giving her for a part 2. LOL.

  • elliegrll

    They did it by not picking up his next option.

  • Q_3

    So Adam is lying about the 80’s covers album?

    Or did RCA decide they wanted to give Adam a face-saving cover story?

    And if they wanted him to be gone, and they did make this offer, why risk having him say yes?

  • elliegrll

    I can’t tell you how very many people I talked to who know who Adam is but had no idea he even had a second album out!

    This is repeated too much in the AI bubble. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t make claims about Adam being a star, bringing hits to sites, and his number of twitter followers, and then say that the drop in numbers for his second album was do to people not knowing that he had an album out.

    If the numbers for Adam’s first album was do to people buying into him as an artist, the numbers for the second album should have been better.

  • Q_3

    The Popcrush poll results indicate little interest in a cover album!

    What do you think of Adam Lambert leaving RCA?

    Smart! He should do his own thing. 94.64%

    I wish he’d stay — I want those covers! 1.28%

    We’ll see what happens when album No. 3 drops! 4.0%

    Vote here: popcrush.com/80s-covers-adam-lambert-rca/?trackback=twitter_top#pd_a_7247683#pd_a_7247683

  • curly_yenta

    Popcrush! Haha… a very scientific poll of impartial music buyers voicing their anonymous opinions over the internet ;) There ya go!

  • elliegrll

    What’s the risk to RCA? An album of cover songs is cheap. They wouldn’t have to shell out a lot of money to produce it, they could use pre-recorded tracks, and they wouldn’t have to pay for a lot of studio time.

    Unlike yoiu, I don’t claim to know the whole story, but 19 exiting the picture would indicate that RCA passed on picking up Adam’s option months ago, and maybe the covers idea was one of several ideas that RCA threw out once the original contract ended.

  • calico

    If one looks back on every single person coming off Idol who signed with RCA, was dropped then signed with a new label it’s always been a year almost to the day that this happens. It’s reasonable to assume that they sign a non-compete that keeps them from signing for a year. But then Lambert was probably dropped the same time 19 dropped him, so maybe it won’t be a year from yesterday.

    I can’t imagine him getting another major label contract. The guy got tons of promotion for his second CD. It had a banner for weeks on iTunes, he got a 3-page spread in Rolling Stone, and he performed on Idol and did the NY circuit the week his CD dropped. The fact that they couldn’t buy him a hit on radio is interesting, but he did get 2 singles and 2 videos to go with them. That’s way, way more than most get. What major label is going to look at that and say, “Yes, this 32 year old throwback who can’t play an instrument, dance, or write a decent tune, and was given every opportunity and great promotion but still didn’t break out is a really smart person to invest our limited funds on”? Sorry if that’s harsh, but that’s the way I see it as a non-fan but reluctant observer.

    I think he’ll still be around though. I won’t be surprised if he gets a reality show on the E! network.

  • elliegrll

    And the link takes us to Shirley’s article, so the person from Billboard who covers AI, and whose stories for BB and THR mainly deal with AI, is covering this story, and has inside info, but Adam is not like all of the other people from AI, who have lost their contracts. Yep.

  • lovetheusa1776

    No one knows the truth.
    Perception is all. And balance is going the right way – very nice.

  • Eileen99

    Well, this seems important.

  • shell29

    I’m still not sure whether “gay” has anything to do with it (maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t) but I do agree that BTIKM was the wrong lead single. “Safe” is a perfect description…too “safe” and too vanilla IMO. Not a single that would excite me enough to seek out this album.

    I know it has been said that fans are eager to blame the label when things don’t go well for their “special snowflake” but sometimes I think it is fair to blame them for some of their choices. I give RCA kudos for making the right decision to release WWFM when they did, but the single choices they made for Trespassing were wrong IMO.

  • elliegrll

    Adam’s contract with 19R didn’t expire. As Q3 said, the season 8 contract is a matter of public record. Adam was signed to 19R for 5 records and for a certain number of years, neither of those things were fulfilled. The only way that the contract could expire is if both sides, or one side decided to end the contract.

  • No Thanks

    I think Andrew Hampp of Billboard is stating he has more news about Adam and just linked to Shirley’s article as a pre-amble before HE goes to press on Monday.

  • elliegrll

    We will see.

  • Incipit

    “So Adam is lying about the 80’s covers album?”

    Q_3, he doesn’t have to ‘lie’ – just because RCA is not known to comment about a parting of the ways. Neither do his reps have to ‘lie’ – that would be tacky, and that’s not how SPIN works.

    There would be a mention of a concept album of 80’s covers made by someone since January – and that’s all the hook needed. However, the covers album idea is given weight it never had by this Exit Story, and made to appear as the Breaking Point between AL and RCA. AL as artist is now the star of the story.

    Watch people’s tweets if you don’t think that’s happening – it’s Textbook!

    IMO.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    … the saga continues. lol

  • shtick

    Grow up.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I wonder what info. is Adam’s PR team giving Andrew Hampp for a part 2? lol

  • No Thanks

    Well his beat is “branding” and advertising. NOT American Idol.

    http://www.billboard.com/author/andrew-hampp-6088

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Exactly. lol

  • Q_3

    He also covers music — but mostly branding, sponsorships, endorsement deals.

  • shtick

    His contract is a public document anyone can read it.

  • Mason

    Much ado about nothing. Next please..

  • elliegrll

    To be fair to RCA, I think that they knew that there would be problem with the second album. Even though people see the first era as a triumph, there were some quotes from people at RCA that showed that RCA wasn’t happy with the way that 19 managed Adam. They new President of RCA said that most of the promo centered around Adam being from AI, and didn’t help develop an image of him being an artist.

    With the second album RCA knew that Adam would have trouble getting airplay on pop radio, and that Hot AC had been more open to him, so they picked a song that they felt would get Hot AC airplay, and success on that format might have lead to pop PDs giving the song a chance. In the end, they picked a song that Adam could not pull off. It was a song that was a better fit for an r&b artist, not an Adult Pop artist like Adam.

    That’s a label that some of Adam’s fans have used to put down other artists, but the fact is that given Adam’s age and style, that’s the label that he falls under. It’s also another obstacle that RCA faced in keeping up the pretense that Adam is a pop star.

  • queenrosered

    Summed up very nicely and succinctly Sherry! Good job! :)

  • curly_yenta

    The guy was dropped just like the dozens of other peeps from Idol despite the brilliant attempt at spin to the ignorant and unsuspecting. Sales didn’t meeting expectatons. Period. And outside a few fans that follow him, no one gives a shit about the hows and whys of his record contract. The bigger story and most importantly, is now what? Will his new Glee gig help his career progress or will it hit a brick wall? Will he ever be a relevant player in the pop world with another major label? Will he go back to Broadway? Or will he end up as a footnote like so many others?

  • seashellz51

    Except there’s this which dates back to May,14th. which gives the covers story weight.
    https://twitter.com/adamlambert/status/334425051212435456

  • Q_3

    If RCA dropped him, why would Adam say they were interested in an 80’s cover album? Why not just say creative differences and he walked away?

    I can’t see how that specific reference is “spin”?

    Spin would be to make the offer less offensive — like leaving out the 80’s reference. Or being vague.

    I am extremely glad Adam is out of his RCA deal. I do not care if he was dropped or not BUT I have never known Adam to lie. Spin and position things to his advantage, sure.

    Adam open letter says “So after careful consideration, I have made the decision to respectfully
    part ways with RCA. My passion for the music & respect for the fans
    will always come first. I am excited to find a new label team who
    shares this vision.”

    That says to me 1. Adam made the decision, and 2. He plans to work with a new label team who will give him creative freedom.

    So, although I guess it is disappointing to some people, it appears that Adam could have said yes, and stayed with RCA. That is not “being dropped.” That is “leaving”.

  • queenrosered

    Way to go “Spin Doctor” lol!

  • Mel432

    Shirley has more news on Monday, or this guy from Billboard? Must have something to do with a recording label.

    Wow. About 1700 posts for the last three Adam threads. Where did all these people come from?

  • No Thanks

    I interpreted the tweet as the guy from BILLBOARD will have more news on Monday about Adam.

  • Q_3

    Andrew Hampp covers Brand and Advertising in the context of the music business for Billboard. So he wrote this article last March – “Carly Rae Jepsen Teams With ‘American Idol,’ Coke, You for New Single”

    Perhaps it is something to do with Adam and AT&T.

  • No Thanks

    “Where did all these people come from?”

    The land of Schaudenfraude.

  • queenrosered

    Right, Because an artist who instantly gets coverage from every major and minor entertainment outlet the WORLD OVER when he signs onto a TV show (Glee in this case) isn’t “viable”, right? LOL! Whatevs.

  • weareallinnocent

    Perception is reality! :-)

  • MissMyEm

    The point about dropped/allowed to walk away is that if it were not Adam it would make people happy to use the term “dropped”. However, now that it’s Adam it’s suddenly “walked away”. So no it doesn’t matter with Adam, any more than it being just a matter of what the reality is for any other singer who parted company with RCA.

  • Q_3

    Adam news always attracts a lot of post. For example, Shirley’s article has over 2,000 Tweets and almost 800 FB links from the article. That is on top on the link Tweets and posts that were not done from the article.

  • Incipit

    seashellz51, the Concept Album of covers IS the weight for the Exit Story Spin. It’s not damaged if you find a sarcastic tweet about covers – it’s supported.(well except for tweets about AL and Queen and Glee covers)

    Creative Differences are writ Large..that’s the point here – and I don’t think RCA cares if they are made the villain.

  • lovetheusa1776

    The excitement builds! – the ongoing saga of The Glambert! Maybe it’ll be a movie – Russell Crowe can critique.

  • curly_yenta

    News at 11!! Hahaha

  • lovetheusa1776

    Glad you like it!

  • Tinawina

    I think he’ll sign with someone. His ability to tour well and generate his own press (plus he has powerful management) make him pretty signable me thinks. I don’t think it will be a major… it would have to be someone who can make smaller sales work I would guess. Unless the material he’s recording is that incredible that is.

  • lovetheusa1776

    What’s the stronger emotion – love or hate? Battling it out.

  • Tinawina

    Whatever it is, it will be something to increase the perception he’s a hot property in demand I bet. LOL. And it’s not coincidence it’s appearing in an industry trade magazine. If he’s in the middle of shopping for/negotiating a new deal, that’s where he needs to manage his image the most… in the industry. Hollywood Reporter and Billboard. Of course.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “What’s the risk to RCA? An album of cover songs is cheap. They wouldn’t have to shell out a lot of money to produce it, they could use pre-recorded tracks, and they wouldn’t have to pay for a lot of studio time.”

    Exactly.

  • Sharon S.

    [url=http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1586431/adam-lambert-leaves-rca-records-after-turning-down-covers-album?utm_source=twitter]Billboard’s story about the label split[/url]

  • Incipit

    “Why not just say creative differences and he walked away?”

    I have no idea “why” they chose to go this particular way….I can speculate if I must, but that’s worth exactly nothing. Look at the results.

    How about – Because Everyone says “Creative Differences” and people say “Yeah, sure.” – Even Archie said the label offered him to stay, if he would go in the direction they wanted – people say – “Yeah Sure”…and the story is always ‘artist dropped by Label’.

    So His PR people made a story – that says ‘Artist stands up to Label’ – or whatever nonsense – and I’m seeing plenty of tweets now with that flavor. It’s working – – It’s about spinning a positive IMAGE out if a pile of lemons. That’s what PR people are paid to do.

    And that’s my opinion.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    ” It’s about spinning a positive IMAGE out if a pile of lemons. That’s what PR people are paid to do.”

    That is exactly what a PR team is paid to do.

  • newinNM

    Non fan = dropped, fan = walked away, (shrug) we see the same terms used for all idols in this situation, not just for Adam.

    Note: I hope that doesn’t sound snarky, not trying to be.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Well, that’s true at least.

  • elliegrll

    Adam’s PR team has always relied on this belief. They just couldn’t get the Sony bean counters to take the bait.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Great catch!

  • Disraeli99

    They called her brand of ass kissing /groupie sycophant quasi journalists “starfuckers” in the not too distant past. Nothing new with her type of overrated “journalism”.

  • elliegrll

    This is spin. It’s classic and good spin, but it is still spin.

  • shell29

    She has made good money for her label-that’s why she still has a deal. The sophomore album didn’t sell well but she has four hit singles (each selling well over 1 million) under her belt. If her next project fails to produce a hit or decent album sales she’ll be dropped just like the others.

  • Sassycatz

    It’s interesting to Idol fans/former fans — who are in the majority of this blog — and how it reflects on current and past contestants and their experiences. Whenever something like this happens to a contestant there is a lot of comparison, speculation and war stories.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Guess they improved their skills – working this time.

  • newinNM

    While I agree these polls are pretty silly, unimportant and often annoying, their unscientific results do occasionally pop up in some pretty surprising places.

  • Mel432

    I don’t remember Cook and Kris getting this huge response (the last idols to have been dropped). I certainly don’t think the press/media wrote that much about their parting either.

  • calico

    I’m in awe of the sheer audacity of this attempted manipulation of opinion.

  • Incipit

    They are not selling it to Bean Counters. Heh.

  • ANNIEBA

    Good Lord, and here I thought we were in for a dry spell on Adam news, lol. It really doesn’t matter how this came about but is quite clear that Adam and his team were well ahead of this situation unlike other artists who seem to find out they are label less after their name is no longer on the roster.
    There really was no option for Adam after RCA didn’t do their job in getting him AirPlay, yes that was their job. In my opinion Adam gave them plenty of well received material and they dropped the ball.
    I really think there is already a new label in the wings since DMG was probably shopping for Adam months ago. The gig on Glee can only sweeten the deal for a new label, not to mention a sizable and still growing international fan base. Adam has a lot to offer, IMO, and I don’t doubt he hasn’t had a taker. I think we shall all be enlightened next week.

  • lovetheusa1776

    lol – think it’s more about who the poll is about.

  • Sassycatz

    I’m responding to the question, “why would there be so much interest here?” As well as the fact that the info’s been parceled out over several threads over more than one day.

  • thirdtime

    Interesting reading all the comments here, I’ve been just reading up until now. Dropped…walked away…here is my opinion (and it’s just my opinion). I like Adam and consider myself a fan (although not a stan by any means), but honestly, everyone predicted this months ago. I’m definitely not gullible enough to think that RCA wanted Adam to stay on – if they did they would have made that happen – simple as that. They either dropped him and let him say whatever he wanted to save face like they do with so many others that are dropped, or did indeed make him an offer he couldn’t accept (like the 80’s cover album) in an attempt to recoup some money they lost with the last album – but in the end I think it’s pretty obvious he would have been dropped anyway and I think that’s why Adam really had no choice but to walk. I know enough about the music industry and Idol alum just from reading this blog to know that it’s always about the money (as far as the labels are concerned). Either way it went down I think it’s obvious that RCA was losing money on Adam. But I also think he will have no trouble getting signed again, hopefully with a smaller indie label that won’t have such high expectations in sales.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Adam and his PR team have evaluated his fan base very accurately in predicting how they would react to news about Adam. Smart people.

  • MissMyEm

    I have to agree with you. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but Shirley has been so biased it’s difficult to take her information as something legitimate. But she’s a smart cookie in the fact that if she writes the stuff she does, she gets hit and that allows her to keep her job. Thankfully now she doesn’t write about many other Idol singers anymore. I would not be surprised to know that her editor saw so many negative posts directed towards her that he took some of the responsibility of writing about other Idols, away from her.

  • thirdtime

    I think it’s the way this whole thing was done – it seems the scenario was reported purposely in a way to cause a lot of debate – it was brilliant of Adam’s team as far as I’m concerned. It makes it look like Adam is more interested in “artistic integrity” than high sales.

  • resunikcufecin

    Something tells me these “creative differences” wouldn’t exist if his second album was a smash hit.

  • ANNIEBA

    This is cool. I think Adam has a lot of industry support. I believe there were many in the industry shaking their heads at how TSP was handled. Adam has many well respected music insiders rooting for him and he will be more than fine.

  • marmom07

    you don’t know that.

  • MissMyEm

    Actually you understood my point. Fans will say he walked away. Others might say he was “dropped” as they have when other singers parted company. And yet there are still others, who are not subjective, who will attempt to get at the truth.

  • Q_3

    I have read all the comments here, and still do not believe RCA wanted Adam to walk.

    Assuming that Trespassing was in the red and had not recouped expenses (not a big assumption)…

    And assuming that RCA recognized that Adam had a loyal fanbase that would buy 200+K units of something…..

    RCA would try to put together a cross-collaterization strategy. That would entail producing something cheap but that they could sell. If it failed, the additional cost would be low. If it succeeded, RCA would recover their remaining costs from Trespassing and plus the new album. The is the only way that an 80’s cover album makes sense to me.

    That means Adam would have been offered a bad financial deal (modest advance, small recording budget, limited promotion budget, cross-collateralized) plus a bad creative/career option. No chance this was a hard decision. But the best PR message would be to focus on the creative differences.

    So while I do not believe RCA dropped Adam, I am convinced that offered him a bad deal that they figured he would take. They miscalculated. JMHO YMMV

  • Q_3

    Of course not!! The higher the sales, the lower amount of creative differences. :)

  • curly_yenta

    Yea, and so does dog poop.

  • Q_3

    I do not think anyone here is claiming to know the whole story, But if RCA offered Adam a contract for an album of cover songs, and he refused, he was not dropped — he left. That was my entire point so I guess we agree, Adam left.

  • shtick

    Here’s the truth:

    Artists can’t walk away from their contracts unless they fulfill them (all the options).

  • marmom07

    I love how once again many seem to think Adam is some how getting some preferential treatment (that non-fans will say he doesn’t deserve) because the “spin” over his parting with RCA.

    In spite of lower than desired Trespassing album sales Adam remains an exceptional talent which is desired (singing paid concerts both solo and fronting Queen, TV appearances, charity work etc, other artists want to work with him) AND he has a Kick A$$ PR team. That’s not unfair, that’s smart business on his part. People seem to forget how much experience he has working in the entertainment industry. I have no doubt that there will be a label who believes in his music and wants to work with him for Album 3 and see if they can turn a profit. Even if radio continues to snub album 3 Adam has plenty of other ways to make money in the entertainment industry. Because he is both a vocal talent and he does have a fan base worldwide.

    Werking it! is his and his PR teams job. Hello that is biz for you. Not some unfair advantage.

  • Incipit

    OK, that’s funny – and as with spin, there’s an element of truth… some people have been saying for six months that the RCA connection had the wobblies…sometimes with Chapter and Verse. Vindication – hard to resist?

    Also, some comments pull in other artists for comparisons, and their fans tend to monitor for facts. At least I do – Opinion, not so much.

    It’s mostly interesting to observe and document the progression of such a textbook example of the birth of a Spin – and I have already offered Kudo’s to the AL PR Team, they’re very good.

    IMO. Of Course.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The personal letter from Adam to Shirley was a stroke of genius. ;)

  • Q_3

    There is no way to spin financials within Sony. Absolutely no way. Not quite GE but close.

  • marmom07

    Agree completely. There is a difference between we don’t want you to record anything else for us– GoodBye versus here’s a deal (cover album) that we think will be financially good for us (RCA) otherwise they wouldn’t offer it right? but it’s not what Adam wants to do because it would be bad for his artistic credibility. So he says no.
    In the end it doesn’t matter what anyone believes about this story. Adam is moving on and we’ll see what’s next. Well what’s next in addition to Glee, something with Queen, writing new music and his charity work. Dudes busy!

  • elliegrll

    I would say it worked better or just as good in the past. Adam’s PR team have been able to mask a lot of the numbers that are not very pretty. They have been able to position him as a star on the level of people like Carrie and Kelly, even though his accomplishments would say otherwise. The problem is that hot air isn’t going to turn a profit for RCA.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Yep. Deleting posts and banning commenters! Seriously, if you’ve been banned before, logic says you can’t come back and behave the exact same way and last here very long.

    Disagree, but be polite. Name calling will earn you an automatic ban. These are ex-reality show contestants we’re talking about. We aren’t curing cancer. Calm down.

    Also, the blog and the commenters on this blog ARE NEVER THE TOPIC. No meta commentary. Stick to the topic.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    lol

  • Incipit

    And, they get paid to do it. *snerk*

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall of Adam’s PR team’s discussion about how all of this was going to be handled. ;)

  • Q_3

    Me too! I would love to know who came up with the open letter. But if it was Adam, it is a sweet bookend to the Advocate Editor’s Open Letter from 2009.

  • elliegrll

    Poor promotion from 19M has hurt a lot of former alums. There’s no way that RCA, Interscope, or any other label can deal with 19 not knowing how to properly promote their former contestants.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yeah, that personal letter to Shirley was a stroke of genius.

  • Q_3

    Billboard gave Trespassing a great review and picked it as a best album of 2012. So they are consistent.

  • Sharon S.

    Except, IMO, RCA was smoking crack if it believed for one minute that an 80s cover album would have sold anywhere near 200k. “Trespassing” sold that with Adam’s wholehearted support and wholehearted backing from the fandom – and, yes, a certain amount of promo push by the label. But the fan base would have been livid over a covers album, and a good percentage that bought at least one copy of “Trespassing” would have either illegally downloaded it or boycotted it altogether. And it would have been pretty much impossible to market to anyone else, because by definition the promo budget would have been basically nonexistent, and the project would not have lent itself to press attention or decent promo opportunities anyway. I suspect it would have been lucky to sell 20k, much less 200k.

  • alterego

    So while I do not believe RCA dropped Adam, I am convinced that offered him a bad deal that they figured he would take. They miscalculated.

    I don’t believe they miscalculated. Because if that was the case, they would have tried to correct the situation to keep him. I don’t believe they ever had any intention of supporting new music after the poor response of TP.

  • Happyhexer

    “These are ex-reality show contestants we’re talking about. We aren’t curing cancer. Calm down.”

    LOL! This needs to be quoted again and again and again. And not just in this thread . . .

  • shell29

    They certainly have done a great job in softening the blow of this news. But for all intents and purposes, Adam was “dropped” just like the other Idols before him. The writing was on the wall months ago but kudos to Adam’s team for successfully spinning this news in a positive light-and for controlling the spin. That’s what a good PR team does.

  • Q_3

    It made it feel authentic. Even though we all know it is a orchestrated PR plan, it is still beautifully done.

  • Incipit

    Exactly. The story has legs on Twitter, the various Blogs and forums, and AL’s Team wanted it to. Also, they controlled what the story would be about – Artistic integrity instead of lack of commercial appeal.

    By the time any media outside the Bubble give it a look, if they do, that’s the tagline it will carry. Artist vs Label SuperSpin.

    Of course that’s interesting to watch!

    IMO.

  • marmom07

    The industry is not dying, it’s changing, just like it has always changed

    Exactly! Album sales are down, single sales are down because people have other free ways of listening to music. People don’t to buy anything to listen to music, they don’t even have to steal it. You can pretty much listen to what ever you want on YouTube.

    You can’t say he’s a failure in one breath because he didn’t sell and then in the next breath admit that the music industry is undergoing serious changes. Labels do not have the extra money to develop artists like they used to. Many, many artists who are considered iconic today had multiple albums that did NOT sell commercially. Are they failures? No because they had the opportunity to try again with another album. With the reduced profit margins that labels have today they can’t hold on to artists and market a 3rd or 4th album to reap the profits. So one album that radio wouldn’t play does not make Adam a failure. Not when he’s still working and has the opportunity via TV work to continue to grow his fan base. Radio is not the only way to grow a fan base.

    It would be different if the album was widely panned. It wasn’t.

  • springboard2

    Why not? They played the singles from FYE.
    No one knows whether they would have played them, neither that they would or that they wouldn’t.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Except, IMO, RCA was smoking crack if it believed for one minute that an 80s cover album would have sold anywhere near 200k. “Trespassing” sold that with Adam’s wholehearted support and wholehearted backing from the fandom – and, yes, a certain amount of promo push by the label.”

    I’m not so sure of that, nor the part about “Trespassing” having the “wholehearted backing from the fandom”. Do the poor sales of “Trespassing” mean that within 2 years of releasing FYE, Adam’s CD-buying domestic fan base had shrunk by over 75%? I don’t think so, but more likely, since the musical direction on his 2nd album changed from his 1st, and because so many of his fans from Idol openly expressed their desire for a rock music (plus Adam’s performances with Queen would have fueled this desire), I think that RCA was hoping to market an 80’s cover album to Adam’s fans who disliked his current musical direction. JMO

  • lovetheusa1776

    Not relevant now – what’s next is. Watch this space.

  • lovetheusa1776

    They’ve been able to position him at the level of C&K? Not true. Been looked at as second-tier.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Interesting and loving it.

  • shell29

    RCA allowed him to “walk away”. If they wanted to keep him, they would have. There was no way they were going to invest in a third album with Adam after Trespassing failed to meet sales expectations.

    Most folks saw this coming months ago. There was no reason to believe the story was going to be any different with Adam than it was with the others.

  • Incipit

    Ah, Slightly relevant, lovetheusa1776 – if AL wants a deal with another label, then his team has to sell ‘Their’ Bean Counters. Still may be a challenge.

  • Q_3

    A @jam2885 6m
    Interesting that everyone at billboard is berting

    The more news is coming from Billboard, but it may not be Andrew Hampp who is reporting it.

  • elliegrll

    Q3, how does this go jibe with the contract that Adam signed after he left AI? Couldn’t RCA just exercise their next option, and if Adam didn’t want to record an album full of covers, they just could have waited him out, or keep throwing out other ideas?

  • calico

    If it’s blatent problem/reaction/solution – PR 101 – which this is, it’s not beautifully done. More like laughably done.

  • No Thanks

    Bravo! Adam is clearly more savvy than that average Idol contestant. Therefore he’s handling the label “drop” WAY better than the others. AND he seems to be better at finding new opportunities for himself unlike some of the others.

  • marmom07

    It’s fascinating to me how every story is repeating the “He walked away” meme rather than questioning the story. Really doesn’t matter if it’s fact or fiction the story is selling. So yeah big win for PR team and Adam.

  • elliegrll

    I think that the knew that the next album wouldn’t sell 200K. There’s always going to be fan attrition, especially for someone who hasn’t had a lot of radio play for a few years. That’s one of the problems that RCA faced. If they could depend on Adam selling 200K, they could have just made some serious cuts in the production and promotion of the album. For example, they are fine with Ray LaMontagne selling around 200K, and they have budgeted for him selling that amount.

  • No Thanks

    That’s what good PR does for ya, baby!

  • Axxxel
  • Sharon S.

    See how it plays out in the press before laughing too hard.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I disagree. For Adam’s fans, this was the perfect way to spin this news. It’s all about knowing the targets for the PR.

  • No Thanks

    Yeah, I’m still racking my brain on that one. The only thing I came up with is that they mutually agreed to part ways. RCA could have held on to Adam out of spite but they didn’t. They agreed to let him go.

    Part of me wonders/hopes that Adam cut them out of the loop on a lot of projects he and his management were cooking up (like Glee). Thus giving them the impression that Adam had nothing going on and was not worth holding on to.

  • Mandy

    Google is your friend. Just look at the Trespassing album wiki to see the particular country charts and where it peaked at. And Q3 below gives a pretty good guesses of possible sales by country in the top 10 markets. Her guess isn’t far off from mine.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Correct, and the same strategy that appears to be working so well on Adam’s fan base will not work on the “suits”.

  • Incipit

    “…is repeating the “He walked away” meme rather than questioning the story.”

    Hey, it’s easy to cop a headline that’s already there – and questioning the story is what Journalists do, marmon07. They also check facts and cites and pursue quotes. Most of the time.

    The standards being what they are nowadays – this stuff is easier to do than it once may have been.

    IMO. Of Course..

  • AdenEsh

    LOVE AND SUPPORT ADAM FOREVER!

  • Axxxel

    Gloom, because no matter how we toss and turn this issue…The second album “Trespassing” did not sell well and that is why Adam got dropped…

    Of course as a fan, I am still bitter that Adam’s first 2 singles of his sophemore album are the generic sounding songs, not written by him… I guess this time the quote: “if you can’t beat them, join them” , does not count.. When Adam was in the running for a Grammy, he lost from Bruno Mars… And Bruno Mars wrote a song for him that was released as a single and was unsuccesful…

  • hellomusicgirl

    Lol wouldn’t everyone still have their contracts if sales were better? That’s a given. I was more commenting on the spin that was given the individual departures. I applaud Adam’s team for the work they’ve done on this news — I wish Archie had had that same kind of team. As someone said already in this thread, perception is everything.

  • No Thanks

    That’s a nice way of saying that internet “journalists” have no standards and getting the story out FAST takes priority over getting the story out RIGHT.

    That majority of internet outlets are lazy fucks who just copy and paste.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Gloom, because no matter how we toss and turn this issue…The second album “Trespassing” did not sell well in the US and that is why Adam got dropped…”

    Yes, unfortunately, that’s the fundamental reason for the parting of ways (and any creative/artistic differences).

  • lovetheusa1776

    Fans like one version – non-fans like another version.
    Called the Rashomon Effect.

  • Sharon S.

    Part of me wonders/hopes that Adam cut them out of the loop on a lot of
    projects he and his management were cooking up (like Glee). Thus giving
    them the impression that Adam had nothing going on and was not worth
    holding on to.

    I hope the same thing. As frustrated as many of Adam’s fans were with RCA’s handling of TSP, it must have been immeasurably more frustrating for Adam. The selection of the lead single alone must have been a huge sore spot with him, given that he stopped performing it altogether as soon as was humanly possible. He was too classy and professional to ever publicly criticize RCA, but I’d give a lot to know what went on behind the scenes.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Definitely a big plus.

  • Axxxel

    The thing is, Adam is great at doing sound bites… Once I read in the early post idol days that Adam’s answers in interviews are succinct in such a way that an interviewer does not really need to edit much to fit it in his article or report.

    Maybe that is the reason why I enjoy Adam’s interviews so much…

  • waitingforthe1

    tell that to Kelly Clarkson who coming off an album that sold 6 million in the U.S and 13 million total world wide had a HUGE creative dispute with then label boss Clive Davis. She ultimately got her album out but it cost her 5.1 million in sales as her 3rd album didn’t even hit 900K in the U.S. because the label not only didn’t support it they trashed it publicly.

    RCA has a habit of attempting to control Idol artists. Some do what they want because they have no power and no desire to be cut loose (Clay with his cover album), some have the leverage of a strong and powerful fanbase and strong radio/sales history (kelly) to get their way at least temporarily and others decide they’d rather take their chances elsewhere (David C, Archie and Adam).

  • ANNIEBA

    Billboard has certainly been showing Adam love since they reviewed TSP. That is why I say there must have been plenty of perplexed industry people over how badly TSP was handled by RCA. I don’t think it was just the fans thinking this. IMO, TSP is a great album with plenty of potential hits on it and RCA failed to realize its potential. It’s going to be a long weekend, lol.

  • curly_yenta

    Don’t let the truth spoil the news………..;)

  • marmom07

    But in the real, results matters world (today) the result is the story is selling which is painting Adam favorably. He’s putting his artistic vision and integrity above the risk of leaving his label.

  • shell29

    I agree that Adam’s team is doing a masterful job at handling what could have been portrayed as negative news. But the others who have “parted ways” or were “dropped” have also found other opportunities for themselves. They might not always get as much press or fanfare. Bottom line: your music career doesn’t have to end when your major label deal ends. It’s no reason to give up or throw yourself in front of the nearest train. Even the so-called Idol “failures” have managed to bounce back and have even had other major labels take a chance on them.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Doncha think peeps should take their own advice?

  • Q_3

    My guess is that this breakup was about more than one thing, money. definition of commercially acceptable work and the amount of the advance/project budget seem likely. And probably the amount of the advance is the thing that enabled Adam to walk.

    There is a time clock for exercising the option usually a year: Trespassing was released May 15, 2013 — over a year ago. I do not see how RCA could have kept him unless he got paid an advance or other compensation.

    RCA would have to have exercised their option under the terms of the original contract. The Season 5-9 Idols had the high advance rate negotiated by 19 in 2005. The SOP would be to offer a low advance. which many artists take. Adam could have rejected this.

    I also think that everything was over before they announced GLEE. Because I am convinced that Adam wanted to leave RCA. The are a lot of rumors within RCA about “creative differences” over Trespassing.

    Adam does not burn many bridges in his personal or business life. He still will have a business relationship with RCA, and he has many friends there. I hope this is like 19R and an amicable split,

  • Incipit

    “That’s a nice way of saying…”

    Oh, not just the Internet, No Thanks, – but that’s beyond this topic, I think – – and thanks, I try to be polite…

    So true, Fast trumps Right and Flashy trumps Factual – always has – they just used to call it Yellow Journalism – now it’s the News on the Hour.*snerk*

    So, knowing how the internet magnifies this slant makes the job of the PR team much easier.

    IMO.

  • Q_3

    I do not doubt that Adam’s open letter is true, but it is probably not the whole story. But fans/general public do not need to get the whole story.

  • ANNIEBA

    It is fascinating but it could also be that there is nothing to question. It could be that things happened just the way Adam said. Besides isn’t there plenty of questioning going on here, lol?

  • Incipit

    Right, marmon07 – the Spin is selling to the General Public. And it doesn’t have to do that for very long – People quickly forget details and are left with a general impression. The Spin Doctor’s job is to assure it’s a favorable one.

    This is useful in having an audience to point to for the Bean Counters at the Next Label…it isn’t just an exercise in vanity. KWIM?

    IMO.

  • Axxxel

    “Naked Love”, ” Shady”, “Cuckoo”… all potential hits.. Ok, “Naked Love” was not co-written by Adam, but if I am not mistaken, one of those writers of that song also wrote for Katy Perry… but still… sigh….Oh well… looking forward to the next chapter….while listening to my favorite song “Chokehold” …(also co-written by Adam)…

  • H.A.

    MetroNews- French

    Cover albums: American singer Adam Lambert says no

    Our singers should take a leaf. At a time when Sophie-Tith, the winner
    of “American Idol” and Olympus, the finalist of “The Voice 2″, prefer to
    publish cover albums rather than original songs, their American cousin,
    the flamboyant Adam Lambert, chose to be different.

    http://www.metronews.fr/culture/albums-de-reprises-le-chanteur-americain-adam-lambert-dit-non/mmgm!PUGoPkvB71h1k/

    Translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metronews.fr%2Fculture%2Falbums-de-reprises-le-chanteur-americain-adam-lambert-dit-non%2Fmmgm!PUGoPkvB71h1k%2F

  • waitingforthe1

    except Adam had 6 records under 19R: FYE, Trespassing, Trespassing EP, Adam Live Acoustic, Glam Nation Live and Adam Lambert Remixes.

    Perhaps that’s why Adam and his team pushed so much product out in such a short period of time, in order to fulfill the stipulation within that contract.

    This whole idea that there’s only ONE possible way this all went down doesn’t make sense to me. No one here knows what happened. Why close off to the idea that Adam might have in fact walked away from the deal RCA was offering him rather than settle for an album he didn’t want? I can acknowledge it’s just as likely that he got dropped as it is he walked away. To absolutely refuse to acknowledge another point of view really makes discussion impossible.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    One important fact that was left out of Adam’s letter and Shirley’s article was that “Trespassing” had poor sales. I don’t expect Adam to have written this in his letter, but Shirley should have included it in her article.

  • Karen C

    But RCA might have seen the numbers from when he was on Idol, and thought that a covers album would do as well as the covers did on the show. They might have thought that Idol fans that didn’t like his original music, but liked him on the show might buy it.

    ETA : And I don’t agree with this, just think that’s what RCA was thinking.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    Yeah because Queen are not big time professionals at all.

  • springboard2

    LOL, I think that Adam has a lot of support from the media in general, and this is why they have jumped on the ‘Adam rejects album of covers’ bandwagon.
    This is fascinating and pop-corn worthy!!

  • No Thanks

    Oh, I agree. The basic facts are true. The details and the timing are probably not what Shirley Halperin says they are. I’m 100% convinced this has been in motion for a few months.

  • Mel432

    I’ve heard journalists saying that too. That’s prolly why so many love interviewing him. I’m surprised at how wordy Adam is, but he is not repetitive, nor does he go round and round to make a point. Remember Gokey interviews? I’m sure he is better now, however,

  • Broddybounce

    I couldn’t agree with your sentiment more about those songs that should have been released as singles and likely would have done well. It’s a “what were they THINKING?” moment (meaning RCA). And, I also couldn’t agree with you more regarding your favorite — “Chokehold” is mine too. If they wanted a mid-range tempo song as the first single it should have been that and not BTIKM. But, water under the bridge now….

  • Connie

    Ultimatum or Spin?
    Ultimatums – this or that. By Definition: a final proposition,
    condition, or demand; rejection will end negotiations and may lead to a
    severance of relations and cause a force of another action.
    Spin – great job. By Definition: a form of tactics,
    achieved through providing an interpretation of an event or campaign to
    persuade public opinion in favor or against.
    Not sure what really happened, will probably never really know, but best of everything to Adam.

  • elliegrll

    The spin could be used to show that the press will cover Adam, and that his image isn’t tarnished since he “walked away”, but the bean counters at the next label will also look at the album sales numbers, and the likelihood of Adam getting airplay. They will also know that RCA ended their relationship with Adam for a reason.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    Well they certainly do NOT want that press OR the discussion about why they were unable to obtain any radio play for that artist. But there’s no Cook analogy. Cook was not in the position that Adam was in with Queen, and his international bookings. Or the celebrity status that goes with that LGBT milestone and being promoted/awarded status with GLAAD and other events.

  • Q_3

    Cuckoo was written by Adam Lambert, Oliver Goldstein, Bonnie McKee, Josh Abraham, Anne Preven. Bonnie McKee and Oliver Goldstein have written hit singles for Katy Perry, and many other artist including Stronger for Kelly Clarkson. Why RCA passed on this track for Adam is beyond me.

    And Naked Love is a perfection #2 single, great summer song. Co-written by Benjamin Levin, Smmar Malik, Dan Omelio, Oliver Goldstein and Josh Abraham, Adam did not co-write this track but it is perform for him and similar to “If I Had You”.

    My bet is that RCA committed that BTIKM would be the lead single to get it. Produced by Dr. Luke. His #2 failure for Adam.

    And then when that MOR song failed, made a deal with Warner/Chappell for NCOE, an unused track written by
    Bruno Mars, Phillip Lawrence, Ari Levine, Lukasz Gottwald, Henry Walter. it was another Dr. Luke miss for Adam. #3.

    Adam has had 5 promoted single two were successful, three were not. The three failed tracks were produced by Dr. Luke. The first failed Dr. Luke single was FYE which is in the wrong key for Adam, and has that thick, retro beat track on it.

  • Montavilla

    I couldn’t agree more. It’s one of the pleasant surprises from reading this blog to see how many Idols have been able to pursue good careers — not necessarily on a major label, or even recording, but still performing and getting gigs.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    Adam being gay has 100% to do with his celebrity and level of appreciation from/with the LGBT community. If being gay were NOT an issue GLAAD and other organizations would not be honoring and supporting him and his #1 accomplishment.

  • Mel432

    The French “get” him. Also, a very, very handsome picture of Adam. I hope he realizes how good he looks with zero makeup.

  • jpfan2

    Most media just repeats PR releases word for word. I think it’s cool that the story isn’t the usual dropped coz he flopped one. But Adam is liked and that kind of Idol story seems old and played out.

  • Q_3

    Why? She could not get a comment from RCA. So all she could do was repeat what she printed in the early article that she linked to — US sales units.

  • elliegrll

    How do we know that there is a time clock for exercising the option? We do know that the original contract called for 5 albums, and that the years involved was for longer than what most new artists sign up for. I need to check, but I believe that the original contract was for 8 to 10 years. 19 justified doing this by writing in larger than normal advances for the alums. The contract put the alums at a disadvantage with the labels.

    You may not have understood my question, how does this line up with the fact that the contract that Adam and the other alums signed was with 19R?

  • queenrosered

    I may have been guilty of rising to the bait a few times myself mj.It’s really tough to resist when some folks insist on posting non-factual nasty comments about a person who is really a good man.Thanks for the reminder.

  • Q_3

    There was no reason for him to talk to RCA about anything he had in the works. So that seems very likely. :)

    Seriously, BTIKM is one awful song. The fact that RCA A&R thought it was WWFM #2 is just proof how stupid they have become.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    So Bonnie McKee and others who write huge hits for people like Katy Perry suddenly lost their skills when it came to writing with/for Adam. Alrighty then.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Chokehold is a terrific track – glommed onto it the first time I heard it – and he’s sung it many times since – gloriously.

  • Montavilla

    Still love the video for it. :)

  • Q_3

    Why offer anything if they wanted to drop him — they would have just not exercised the option and the clock runs out? No expensive lawyer and execs involved.

    Why offer a deal you know someone will not take? It just does not make business sense.

    No, they had to believe there was some chance he would say yes.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Yes – talking about making lemonade -

  • Montavilla

    I didn’t the first time I heard it (which was in a cam video from some magazine launch party), but I did when I heard it on the album. It’s so haunting and sexy and sad.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I agree, the “suits” (= bean counters) at other labels will not go for the spin.

  • jpfan2

    I’m no Cook fan but I think RCA and Adam parted company for the same reason as Cook -differences of opinion about album 3. I think RCA didn’t like either Cook or Adam’s direction.

  • lovetheusa1776

    The move may have far more beneficial results cred-wise than even his fans expect.

  • Q_3

    I think that RCA misread the enthusiasm for Queenbert and thought it indicated that 80’s covers would be big, It shows they do not understand.

    Regarding sales of Trespassing, I have never understood the sales gap. Adam seems to be more popular than ever for concerts and online, but the album did not sell. There are a lot of issues with promotion, dropping it in mid May, the lack of US concerts, but there are many casual fans who did not buy it. But there was a macro issue with the album that has to do with the music to some extent.

  • elliegrll

    I think that you may be reading something that I didn’t write.

    But to go along with your post, every writer will have songs that don’t do well. In fact, most of their songs will never become singles, get placed on albums, or be heard by anyone outside of a studio. I’m not sure what this has to do with my post.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yes, but Shirley previously characterized the domestic sales of “Trespassing” as “respectable”, when in fact, they were relatively poor and an important factor that contributed to Adam leaving RCA.

  • Incipit

    “The basic facts are true.”

    That’s the bottom line, No Thanks. The Hook is always true.

    Ya know – A while back (2011) there was talk about the problem with getting an MBA that didn’t include any formal training in communication strategy, media relations, international corporate responsibility, or the biggest lack – reputation management.

    I could point to the dangers of the Idols and Social Media, ’cause this season is an example, for sure – but just the last two weeks with PD and the bigoted inhabitants of the BB House being covered here showed the need for real awareness of these problems. Specialists in these areas have mostly had to rely on OJT instead of formal courses; I think schools need to wake up and smell the coffee…those that are already behind the times.

    As a member of the General public, I want to know if and when I’m being played, and I can’t rely on any Journalists to look at a story – so I will.

    And there’s an Emily Dickinson line I am reminded of that applies to Media & Public Relations –

    “Tell all the truth, but tell it slant,
    Success in circuit lies.”

    So The Hook is always true.

  • usedtobelucy

    True, on all counts.

  • lovetheusa1776

    I know that vid you’re talking about – bad audio – lots of talking – but could hear the “bones” of the song and have loved it ever since.

  • Q_3

    Clive Davis has nothing to do with Adam — and he is a special case.

    However, Kelly was hugely successful singing an album that Clive Davis put together. He wanted another one just like the big winner.

    If Trespassing (which Adam had a lot of control of) sold 6 million units, RCA would beg for another one like it.

  • girlygirl

    Lol, Shirley isn’t going to write anything that would put Adam in a negative light if she can avoid it. In the article she wrote the other day about the rumored covers album she wrote this:

    “Lambert’s Trespassing sold a respectable 185,000 copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan, about a fifth of how his debut, 2009’s For Your Entertainment, performed. But many fans feel it fizzled because of lack of radio and tour support.”

  • Q_3

    Since when did selling 185K in the US in 2012-2013 become relatively poor sales? Disappointing, did not meet expectation, etc. makes sense. If this is poor, what is the average major label album an embarrassment?

    And it is a chicken and the egg, RCA did not support Trespassing so who knows what it could have sold if it was properly promoted and distributed. For example, the UK ran out of CD in the first week of sale on the second and third day. It was not restocked for 2 weeks. I personally send copies to fans in Eastern Europe, Mexico and Latin American because they could not find a CD anywhere.

    This is not the only album they baled out on — Kris, Cook and Archie also had minimal investment on their #2 albums.

  • girlygirl

    Supposedly RCA talked to David Cook about doing a covers album as well and Cook said no and then split from the label. So I’m not sure how Adam’s situation with RCA is all that different from what may have happened with Cook. I don’t think there was any way Cook would have said “yes” to this idea, either

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yes, I am aware of that, and I think that it was biased of her and inaccurate to characterize the sales as “respectable”, inferring that those sales were not a factor in Adam parting ways with RCA. I’m a fan of Adam’s, but I dislike such biased reporting.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Even with Clay’s cover album, they let him put a couple of original songs on it, I don’t see why they could not have offered Adam the same. I actually think a covers album would not have been a bad idea. It would have depended on how he approached it, I doubt they were going to ask him to sing to karaoke tapes. Let’s say he took obscure 80’s songs and modernized them, there were many ways it could have worked.

  • jpfan2

    Maybe Adam’s PR firm also manages Katharine McPhee. (Inside joke here).

  • Karen C

    Yeah, but with the proper promotion, music that doesn’t fit into a genre can create a new genre. Or at least different enough to become popular. And it is probably risky for labels, but if they don’t take a chance, too much music will sound the same.

  • Q_3

    I think some fans get it and recognize it ends the last connection to Idol. And Adam is not helped by that connection. Yes, he is where he is because of Idol but his audience does not look like an Idol audience. More like MSNBC + Logo + GLEE + PLL + PBS + I never watch TV. I never saw an audience like an Adam Lambert concert audience.

  • Larc

    Unless/until RCA says otherwise, there’s little logical reason to assume things didn’t happen as Adam claims they did. No amount of wanting something to be one way or another changes any facts. My guess is that Adam’s version is basically correct. Now, whether RCA purposely attached conditions they were certain would cause him to walk away is another matter.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Yes – that’s been remarked on a number of times.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Since when did selling 185K in the US in 2012-2013 become relatively poor sales? Disappointing, did not meet expectation, etc. makes sense. If this is poor, what is the average major label album an embarrassment?”

    The sales are poor relative to the investment of the label and promotional costs, and they also impacted RCA’s view/consideration of Adam’s next album (advance, production costs, promotional costs, etc.). If anyone, fan or not, doesn’t think that this level of sales wasn’t a major factor in Adam parting ways with RCA, then I think that they are not accepting the reality of the situation.

  • usedtobelucy

    As a journalist, I would say: Never.

    Just my opinion, of course.

  • Q_3

    And Cook is the other Idol alum who Shirley wrote “parted from” RCA and who gave Shirley the scoop.

  • girlygirl

    Unfortunately, it’s much easier and less time consuming than trying to do some actual reporting/research of your own.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Don’t think fans would disagree with you.

  • girlygirl

    Yeah, so do I. Unfortunately, when it comes to Idol, biased reporting is very much the norm. And not just with Adam. Most of the main reporters who cover Idol have their fave contestants and will give those faves more favorable spin in their stories. *shrugs*

  • waitingforthe1

    you’re missing the point Q3. You said big sales = no creative differences and that’s not true. I gave you an example.

    Adam wouldn’t want to do a retread of his last album (regardless of the level of success otherwise he’d have done another FYE style album) anymore than kelly did. they both want to grow as artists not get stuck on the hamster wheel doing WWFM and SUBG repeats forever.

    Adam had control over the content of Trespassing not the promotion or radio single choices. Are you now denying that with different radio singles Adam might have sold better, even though you’ve said this more than once yourself?

    Adam’s sound on Trespassing is exactly what is heating up radio right now…so stands to reason had RCA known how to properly promote and market that album Adam could’ve been leading the charge of that sound since he came out with it a full year before anyone else was doing it.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I would hope not, but there are always some who will disagree. ;)

  • Maj

    I have to stop reading these comments because if I see the word “spin” one more time I’m gonna go on a killing spree. ;)

  • GTFOBigGovt

    “this decision was not made in response to Halperin’s article”

    That’s speculation like this entire thread.

  • lovetheusa1776
  • marmom07

    Adam’s sound on Trespassing is exactly what is heating up radio right now…so stands to reason had RCA known how to properly promote and market that album Adam could’ve been leading the charge of that sound since he came out with it a full year before anyone else was doing it.

    I so agree with this. It’s exactly what my 18 yo said the other day.

  • queenrosered

    Actually Sherry, while it has become very clear that most of his fans were NOT in favor of a cover album, that news broke BEFORE the Glee news.When looked at in that light, it seemed like a more palatable “short-term” idea to a lot of fans, knowing Adam would be on the #4 rated TV show currently and probably too busy to write and record an album of all new material out.That said, I do believe a huge chunk of fans (as well as some people that have said they liked the rock covers he did on season 8 of AI but not the pop etc.) would have bought it. Not as a substitute for new material mind you, but as something to tide us over until the new era 3. Either way, I was never for or against the idea. I trust Adam to do what’s right for Adam, lol. (you’re absolutely correct about the marketing budget/promo though, I 100% agree)

  • GTFOBigGovt

    How is acting on Glee remotely similar to working on and putting out an album?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I realize that too, but nevertheless, this kind of reporting just leads me to regard Shirley (and writers like her) negatively and as unreliable.

  • AdenEsh

    Why doesn’t THR mention the source who told her about the 80s covers album then we can have better speculation of what happened?

  • queenrosered

    LOL!

  • Montavilla

    Journalistic ethics. If a source asks to be anonymous, then they stay anonymous. Reporters have gone to prison rather than name anonymous sources.

    It’s up to the reader to discern in such cases the value of the information provided. Or to trust the journalist.

  • jpfan2

    I’ll make a wild guess and say many of his biggest fans are from Idol and aren’t going anywhere. :)

  • lovetheusa1776
  • queenrosered

    You beat me to it , lol! That’s exactly why. Once any journalist reveals sources of leaked information, they may as well go apply at McDonald.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    Who’s saying the decision to part ways was a result from the article? That would make no sense. The ANNOUNCEMENT was made after the article.

  • jpfan2

    I’m late to the party but I guess the implication is is that the whole story is bs. Is RCA going to make a statement about this or not? i wonder how they’ll spin it. :)

  • Q_3

    Do you know what the investment in Trespassing was? They did not spend “any” money on radio promo or tour support. My guess is $2 million if they paid a lot of guarantees and spent very inefficiently on promo. Could not be much more, might be less.

    We know there are sales outside of the US. FYE was around 50% outside the US, So taking a really conservative estimate of 33% international sales that make the total 277K.

    277K at a wholesale cost of $9 less flex expense would leave about (277,000 * $7) = $1.9 million. Then add in other revenues — they have licensed the music in a lot of commercials and TV programs, and have streaming income and some radio royalties. So conservatively, say it is plus 15%.

    That results in $2.2 million in operating revenue. So it is probably at an operating breakeven. Of course, the project accounting used by RCA includes all kinds of SG&A and indirect costs so I am sure it is in the red on RCA’s reports. Cause is someone at RCA sneezes, Adam gets charged for the box of Kleenex.

    How is that no respectable?

  • Q_3

    I can’t see any way it is BS. Adam and his management would not take that risk.

  • springboard2

    Of course, and this is why poor sales are the reason behind the split.

  • AdenEsh

    I assume this insider source got money from THR telling them the scoope!? What kind of ethic is this? Isn’t it journalist not going hungry kind of an ethic?

  • Larc

    More like some people want the whole story to be bs. ;)

  • girlygirl

    Actually the THR headline when Kris left RCA was also “Parts ways with” (I just googled it to double check)

    So maybe that’s the SOP for THR articles on Idols leaving labels now?

  • marmom07

    purely anecdotal but I’ve seen many comments by fans who found Adam well after his idols days; some attracted by the AMA furor and others more recently such as a young man who attended Pittsburgh Pride. He tweeted a lot after the concert about how much he had never heard of Adam but now loved Adam and went out and bought both albums and loved his music. Dude was gushing all over the place. I don’t think that’s entirely atypical either. It may be a relatively slow way to gain fans (compared to big radio play) but for the most part Adam has been gaining fans (some casual and some BIG fans) way outside of the idol sphere.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    “…the reaction came flooding in and it precipitated an announcement of whether to move forward with a third album or not.”

    She only had one word wrong.

  • J3$$!C@

    Adam had his opportunity with a big label and he did not meet expectations. I doubt he signs with another Major. They know the moment he disagrees with them, he will “walk out” But, the good news is GLEE. He can pull a Matt Morrison. Put out an album, and tour it by singing in little coffee shops and intimate settings.

  • Montavilla

    Forgive me if I’m getting this story wrong, but from what I could piece together of that album, Clay recorded a regular original music album (or perhaps mostly original music album), took it to RCA/Clive (who was still running stuff at the time) and they didn’t want to release it.

    So, the album was rejiggered to keep the songs that Clive did like, filling in the rest with covers.

    I agree with you that an interesting approach to a covers album would work — there have been some in the past. I can’t help thinking of Linda Ronstadt’s albums with Nelson Riddle. I wouldn’t mind seeing Adam do something similar in the future.

    But not now.

  • girlygirl

    Ryan Seacrest tweeted that the iHeart music festival lineup will be announced on Monday.

    I would say this probably is not the “more news coming on Monday” for Adam, but just thought I’d throw it out there as a possibility :)

  • Q_3

    No, I agreed with this comment — “Something tells me these “creative differences” wouldn’t exist if his second album was a smash hit.” That was a specific reference to Adam’s second album, and album he controlled most of the tracks on.

    My response was “Of course not!! The higher the sales, the lower amount of creative differences. :) ”

    Kelly’s situation was completely different, she was forced to record songs she did not want to record and the album was a big success. That just proved to RCA that Clive was right and Kelly was wrong.

  • marmom07

    LOL some say his fans are delusional……

  • queenrosered

    Since this is mjs and I don’t want to get banned, lol..let’s just say “what in the world did you eat for breakfast?” LOL! Oh, that reminds me of one of my favorite Lambert tracks from Trespassing, “CUCKOO!” :)

  • Q_3

    I agree probably not but it is in September and the timing is good. :)

  • GTFOBigGovt

    LOL yeah Adam Lambert’s ability to sell is EXACTLY like Madonna and Gaga. hahahahahaha

    The famous drag queen Manila Luzon said it best when Born this Way hit. “I’m just going to keep listening to this until I love it.”

  • springboard2

    It’s because they are offered a subpar deal that allows them to save face. Adam, Kris, Cook, Matt Cardle (X Factor UK winner) etc got it. Only Lee got the ‘dropped’ statement!

  • queenrosered

    Anything’s possible at this point, not ruling anything out, lol! Yet another reason I love being his fan..it’s a wild ride! WHEEEE! o/

  • Q_3

    If you want to beat real money on the major label deal, I will take the bet, ;)

  • Q_3

    Did Kris get an offer to do a cover album? Or some other project? and turn it down?

  • lovetheusa1776

    Hmm – “intimate settings” – I’d max out my credit card for that one.

  • Montavilla

    One major problem may have been the timing. If you look back, there was a lot of Adam in the media in the fall/winter of 2011. He had a major interview in Out, a lot of Rolling Stone coverage, a guest judging spot on Project Runway, and a guest client spot on All On the Line. Oh, and that little spot on the EMAs.

    But, then the album was pushed back and those opportunities got wasted.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    Had a chance? She won 7 years ago.

  • springboard2

    Cook and Matt Cardle hinted at it, and I assume that they did the same with Kris to warrant the ‘part ways’ statement. I looks like this a standard way of terminating contracts.

  • girlygirl

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Phillip is in this lineup …(that’s more likely than Adam), given the success of his 2 singles and the way Interscope has succesfully promoted him…although it could conflict with his touring w/ Mayer

  • Pippygirl

    Since I don’t work for Kris or know him personally, I can’t pretend to know the answer to that question, but I would say probably not. Rumor was they felt they didn’t have the money to spend trying to get him a successful album era. Kris doesn’t have the fan base of Adam or the media attention so even an album of covers wouldn’t have sold much.

    Of course maybe they offered him another album if he would agree to put some nude photos of himself in the liner notes and he refused!

  • Incipit

    “Supposedly RCA talked to David Cook about doing a covers album as well and Cook said no and then split from the label.”

    Where does this rumor live, girlygirl? David’s interviews, tweets and quotes from May 2012 are all in a Chirpstory – there is not a hint in any of them about any covers album, and there are quite a few of them in the Chirpstory.

    “Cook and Matt Cardle hinted at it,”

    Not even a hint of a covers album offer exists in the archives, springboard2, where is this coming from, please?

  • Montavilla

    Why would you assume the source got money?

  • girlygirl

    Kris hasn’t really talked about his split with RCA/SMG, so we’ll probably never know. But it’s certainly possible that he did, since it reportedly occurred with Cook, Adam and Archie

  • marmom07

    I completely agree with this Boy George tweet:

    boygeorge ?@boygeorge 57m
    Anything is catchy if it’s played all day on the radio, even a fart on a loop could be stitched to your cranium!

    In a nutshell radio today manufactures hits by deciding what they want to put on heavy rotation and fan requests IMO have little to nothing to do with what they choose. IMO Radio PD’s choose music based mostly on their perception of an artists fan base fitting their desired radio station demographic (because they really only care about the money they make from selling ads and ad people care about the market demo). Plus it’s in the stations interest to be seen as one playing the hits so what better way to guarantee that? Create the hit rather than guess and wait for listener feedback.

    I think part of the “radio problem” for Adam remains a miss-perception that Adam’s fan demo is all old and not a pop radio station demo. I think with all idols the first album does better on radio (or has in the past) due partly to radio stations wanting to discuss what’s popular and AI has been very popular. So the first year albums get more mention and play and the first singles have a better chance of being heard even if the idols perceived demographic is not the same as the radio stations. By the second album idols are has-been’s at least in terms of “not current pop culture, water cooler talk” and the station is only going to pay attention to current year idol, again to ride the pop-culture water cooler talk thing (which will probably diminish as Idol market share slips). Yes some of the second album sales drop is due to idol audience moving on but I think it’s also way harder to get radio play because they aren’t given the “current idol interest” spins.

  • seashellz51

    Do you really think Adam would write a letter that has his name on it if the contents were false? He’s never been a liar before so I see no reason to think so now. That letter could be used in a court of law so I dont see Adam signing something he doesnt believe to be 100% true.

  • Q_3

    The difference with this one may be more effective PR — but that open letter is brilliant and makes it seem like Adam is in control. And I find it odd that there is no confirmation from RCA.

    Here are a few examples….mostly fans notice something, Shirley confirms with the label.

    Matt Cardle – “Columbia Records say they’ve parted ways with the 2010 reality show winner”

    Archie – After Twitter lit up last night with rumors that David Archuleta had been dropped by Jive Records, his label home since 2008, a Jive spokesperson confirms to The Hollywood Reporter that “David was released from our roster.”

    Kris – American Idol season eight winner Kris Allen is no longer with RCA Records, a label rep confirms to The Hollywood Reporter.

    Taylor – “Taylor is going to record on his own for the next album,” said J Records publicist Liz Morentin, who did not give further details
    regarding Hicks. (Label confirmed shortly after this)

    Cook – was the strangest of all – the news was from Shirley by twitter from backstage at Idol — pretty memorable:

    Shirley Halperin of the Hollywood Reporter is back stage at the American Idol results show, and she just confirmed with David Cook that he is without a record deal.

    Shirley Halperin “Wow, @thedavidcook just confirmed: he’s without a record deal. New song is self-released and the road ahead is wide open…”

  • lovetheusa1776

    http://youtu.be/eh_DM2DM2t8

    Is this it – Jezebel/Atlanta/March?

    Incredibly sexual – in the best possible way – the wordless sighs at about 2:40 and at the end – damn that boy – “I can smell ya on my clothes” – this is the real thing – not the gross pretend sex machinations of so much other music today.

  • Mel432

    Have you seen the numbers Adam is pulling in after a “failed” album?

  • Sassycatz

    Where does this rumor live, girlygirl? David’s interviews, tweets and quotes from May 2012 are all in a Chirpstory – there is not a hint
    in any of them about any covers album, and there are quite a few of them in the Chirpstory.

    I’ve never seen anything about it myself, but I think Wave mentioned it the other day. Maybe she read it somewhere. I don’t know. It’s news to me.

  • Valarie

    I think it is SOP for Idols. Clay Aiken, Ruben Studdard, and probably others, got ‘A Very Best of’ collection when their options were not picked up. They are not promoted and sell poorly, which ‘vindicates’ the label for dropping the artist. Cook, Allen and Lambert were smart to say ‘no thanks’.

  • lovetheusa1776

    “fart on a loop” – thank you, BG – that made my day.

  • Kerry Kolsch

    Did you ever here of a contingent contract? Business Law 101.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Whether or not the sales are “respectable”, the point is that Shirley characterized the sales in such a way as to infer that they were not a factor in Adam and RCA parting ways. Your argument is based on speculation and until real numbers are released as to the financials involved, there is no reason to modify my strong opinion that the sales of Trespassing were an important factor in Adam and RCA parting ways.

  • Sharon S.
  • Kerry Kolsch

    Yeah, like Adam’s friends Brian May and Roger Taylor.

  • AdenEsh

    I hear bunch of songs on my Top 40 radio that are like “fart on a loop”. LOL!

  • Karen C

    It’s news to me too. I’ve only read that he said that there were differences in direction for the third album, but nothing more specific.

    Given though what has happened with Adam, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what David was offered, but that is only speculation.

  • alterego

    These articles may pacify a few passionate fans, but everyone else probably could care less. People in the industry – label heads, producers, writers, PD’s, critics can figure out that he was dropped because of failed sales. Which despite all the spinning is always the final straw.

  • Mandy

    I’m fascinated that there are still people flying in from all over the world to see Adam’s concerts. I know it happened a lot a couple years ago during Glam Nation, but in the recent San Diego of over 5K, most of the 30+ people I met had flown in from out of state, and one came from England and another from Australia. There were reports of people who had flown in from New Zealand and South Africa. And the energy was amazing. The audience was just as excited to see him as the ones I witnessed four years earlier during the Idol concerts.

  • chloe18

    nothing to do with Adam, but I keep seeing people here make coffee house comments about idol and I was curious do coffee houses actually have singers? I’ve never seen any kind of performers at coffee places where I live, does this really happen elsewhere? The only places that I’ve seen live bands outside of festivals, concerts, etc. are bars and clubs

  • Q_3

    There were about 7,000 people at his concert in Del Mar, over 6,000 in Pittsburgh. Unfortunately for fans, I think intimate is a thing of the past for Adam fans.

  • Q_3

    Yes, that makes sense. I expect to see Adam at some Holiday radio promos.

  • Karen C

    When and where did David Cook ever hint at a covers album? I’ve seen all the interviews he’s done and he’s only said that there were differences in direction.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that is what happened, but as far as I know David has never publicly said this.

  • springboard2

    I didn’t say specifically an album of covers, just a bad deal, but it is possible that I am wrong about Cook.

  • Kerry Kolsch

    Reality is that RCA NEVER properly promoted Adam. Even the RCA fan site Mods were rude to anyone who questioned how Adam’s career was handled. Adam had two albums with many great songs that he co-wrote. The fact that not one was ever released as a single makes it obvious that RCA was not behind Adam’s career. I have always stuck by my opinion that the reason for Adam’s poor treatment by RCA was because of how Adam lost on American Idol. When the rogue AT&T executive and 3,000 power texters produced over 30 million votes it was the biggest scandal in American Idol history. The #1 show on television was more important than any individual career. The cover up was the sabotage of Adam’s career. No matter how much the powers that be tried it was impossible to hide the fact that Adam was always more popular and talented than Kris Allen. The best thing Adam has ever done is part ways with RCA.

  • AdenEsh

    Cause no source will tell a story to a publication and that’s an entertainment publication without asking for money. Especially here in Hollywood world.

  • Incipit

    “Supposedly RCA talked to David Cook”

    That’s how rumors get started, I suppose…but there are no cites for this, anywhere. Here’s the CHIRPSTORY of all the interviews and quotes from May of 2012 –

    Looks like people are just flat making this up, for some reason – but if there is a real cite – I’d like to have it for the archives. Heh. Got links?

    The funny thing about having this rumor repeated to bolster AL’s situation is that it means another set of people start thinking of “Creative Differences” as a legit reason – which it always was…smh.

  • Mandy

    I agree that radio will play some Idols on their first album but not their second (unless you are Kelly or Carrie), but what I fail to understand is why when this happens to Adam, the fans of others are saying that he had bad material, he is a bad writer, etc. But when it comes to their favorites not getting airplay, somehow it is not their fault, and the fault of the PDs. It can’t be both ways. People cannot buy what they don’t hear. NCOE from Adam would have easily been a hit if Bruno Mars released it and it was played every hour. I may not be a stan of Kris, Allison, Haley, Jessica, Archie, etc. but I feel they all deserved more airplay than they got. They are far more talented than the artists I do hear on the radio.

  • AdenEsh

    Adam on front page of yahoo.com. Just went to check my emails and saw his pic. on front page.

  • Kerry Kolsch

    Shirley is a fan but that does not mean that she is not being truthful. I do not believe that anyone is “painting pictures” so that Adam’s parting with RCA can be seen in the best possible light, the parting can only be for the best because RCA was not doing justice to Adam’s career.

  • Montavilla

    And do you have a source for that fact?
    :)

  • Kerry Kolsch

    Adam Lambert has always been his best PR. Talent like his can not be ignored.

  • Q_3

    Also MSN.com front page.

    And NewNowNext added this….”Lambert himself cites “creative differences” as the reason behind the
    split, and that he wants to work on new material at this time. We’re sure he’ll land on his feet.” Gotta love Canada! :)

  • Mandy

    Thanks, Q3. I heard an estimate of 5K at Del Mar but really I could not tell how many were there (but it looked like a lot). It was a very enthusiastic crowd and one of his best vocally. What I cannot understand about the coffee house comments is that several of the former winners cannot fill venues like Adam can – they deserve the coffee house comment much more than Adam. As I posted earlier, he has the 3rd highest booking fee of all the idols.

  • ANNIEBA

    Oh people in the industry know what’s up, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they blame Adam and the quality of his music for the low sales but maybe the failure of his label to properly market him. These people may also be puzzled that with a critically well received album and an artist that is recognized for his vocal ability and live performance excellence, RCA was inept in getting him radio play. Not to mention Adam’s growing recognition as an LGBT role model. So many things they could have capitalized on and they dropped the ball. Yeah, I think they do know what’s up.

  • milwlovesadam

    Exactly Marmom. To me Blurred Lines and Get Lucky are what Shady and Chokehold should have been. Kickin In and even Pop That Lock should have been major hits. Adam had both Nile Rogers and Pharrell’s work on this CD.

    The lack of proper promotion and lack of radio, was a huge fail for sales for Adam. I can’t even state how many people simply didn’t know about this CD. Despite it’s universally rave reviews.

    I don’t have the stats, but, other #1 albums this past year had even lower sales. It was discussed here numerous times in numbers threads.

  • Montavilla

    There’s a coffeehouse in my town that has a grand piano and regular performers. But it’s strictly classical.

    But I do think there are some coffeehouses with small stages that will host the occasional singer/songwriter. It is much more usual to have a musical act, especially bands, perform in a bar. Goes better with beer, I guess.

    Comic improv seems to go well with coffee.

  • Karen C

    Cook – was the strangest of all – the news was from Shirley by twitter from backstage at Idol — pretty memorable:

    This was followed up with an interview, though. And in the few days before that, there was already speculation, because the single that was released a couple of days before had his own name as the label and not 19R/RCA.

  • AdenEsh

    Usually weekend Ent. news are very slow from what I understood in the past. But this is getting a lot of coverage. I assume any news coverage is good. Hope he signs we a great major label to appreciate him cause he is so special and unique. If not, I still love him so much. He is a beacon of joy and light. Can’t wait for his Glee acts.

  • jpfan2

    If they think RCA blew a gold mine they’ll be lining up to sign him. I think the problems Adam has with Pop radio are fairly serious. It’ll be interesting to see where he lands. I can’t think of a good fit right now. Anyone know of some possibilities?

  • springboard2

    Trespassing was critically mediumly received. A metacritic score of 66 is only ‘generally favorable reviews’.
    Even with glowing critical praise, no industry insider would be surprised that commercial success didn’t follow since reviews are often out of touch with the generals public perception.

  • irockhard

    Well us Durbin fans must be an exception. We hated James single LMB, we didn’t request it cause we didn’t want to support it. But it haunted the lower half of the HAC chart for months like a ghost, it just refused to die.

  • Mel432

    Didn’t that one Christian review bring his score way down?

  • springboard2

    Perhaps Jimmy Iovine will jump on the opportunity.

  • marmom07

    NO just no to Jimmy. I was very under impressed with him when I watched him on idol. I remember more than once thinking he was giving bad advice. I can’t see that working with Jimmy would be a good fit or work out well. But I could be wrong. My gut says no!

  • lovetheusa1776

    Gawd – that weirdo review was something else – why he had an input with his background is definitely questionable. Homophobic and defensive – just a mess. (Wasn’t he a minister or something?)

  • Incipit

    “This was followed up with an interview, though.”

    Yeah – Immediately followed by the Interview w/Shirley, and then about fifteen other interviews from media people who were there at the Nokia for the Idol Finale.

    I thought it was well planned – – DC got his POV and his message about leaving RCA out there to everyone at once – and paired it with the new independently released track, “Last Song I’ll Write For You”. Even pitched it on iTunes. Heh.

    Which, nobody missed the inference. *chuckle*

  • Mandy

    How is “critically mediumly received” equal to “generally favorable”. It was in the same category as Carrie’s latest (70) and Kelly’s latest (62). And if you take a look at the bad reviews, the majority were from the UK who have never liked Adam anyway. And yes, there was one church musician who just didn’t like Adam and brought his score way down. Although he’s only had two albums and it’s not fair to compare, his career average on metacritic is 68 (Carrie’s is 64 and Kelly’s is 65).

  • springboard2

    Ther are only three major label groups, and if Adam won’t go with a label under Sony otherwise it would have been a fuss free transfer.

  • Mandy

    I remember it bringing it down a lot, like 10 points or something like that.

  • springboard2

    If industry insiders were puzzled by Adam’s lack of success considering his critical standing, they would be puzzled by Carrie’s and Kelly’s success considering theirs.

  • Tinawina

    I could kinda see Warner. But I still think it’s not likely to be a major. More like an entity with distribution through a major, like someone’s imprint. But you never now.

  • Sharon S.

    If we’re talking about the general public…going back to Metacritic, TSP’s user score was 7.6. Of course that’s a self-selected group, but I’m not sure how else one can quantitatively measure “public perception” among people who’ve actually heard the music.

  • springboard2

    We can’t can’t pick and choose the reviews we like to support our opinion.
    As for UK reviews, considering Adam’s international status, they can only be considered fully relevant.

  • lovetheusa1776
  • Sharon S.

    That press is obviously not targeted to industry insiders, it is intended to leave an impression with those who are interested enough to read the story. Not all of those people are going to be “passionate fans.” At any rate, those within the industry have much better and more extensive sources of information from which to draw their conclusions than stories geared to the general public. Or sales figures alone, for that matter.

  • alterego

    RCA was inept in getting him radio play

    The only people who are claiming that RCA was inept is his fans.

  • Sharon S.

    Who else other than fans would give enough of a damn to express an opinion? And my opinion, for reasons I have listed elsewhere in this thread…yeah, they were inept.

  • alterego

    it is intended to leave an impression with those who are interested enough to read the story

    I would say that the majority of the music buying public could care less. He is not a household name by any means.

  • Sharon S.

    I’m not making any claims as to the percentage of the music buying public that will read those stories. That has zero to do with their content. But at least those sites care enough to report the story to begin with, which is not always the case when Idols part ways with their labels. The sites apparently get enough hits on their Adam-related stories to make it worthwhile to report on him.

  • Valarie

    A 360 deal might work great for him. Revenue streams from merch and tour tickets make radio play a lot less crucial.

  • irockhard

    Highly unlikely.

  • irockhard

    I always recommend artists to sign with genre specific labels. I can’t suggest anything for Adam until I know what direction he’s pursuing. But if it’s EDM then there are a couple listed here: http://doandroidsdance.com/features/the-15-best-edm-labels-right-now/

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Do you have a link to that review?

  • lovetheusa1776

    It’s possible – remember I and others posted on his website. Would have to think how to find it – like to find out what happened to him and if he’s still reviewing.

  • shell29

    I don’t see him signing with another major label anytime soon. Maybe somewhere down the line but not in the immediate future (as some of his fans seem to be hinting at).

  • Tinawina

    I’m sure a label would want one because he’s proven he can make money that way. But the question is does he want to sign one.

  • bobbby

    DON’T FORGET CHICK-FIL-A! CLUCK CLUCK!

  • shell29

    LOL…I doubt Shirley would be using the term “respectable” if any other Idol’s album had sold 185K.

  • Axxxel

    I was also hoping for a summer release of “Naked Love” and he ended singing it live in …China… oh well…

  • girlygirl

    I’ve seen a couple of people talk about it on this blog, as if David had specifically commented on it in some interview. IDK, I don’t follow Cook that closely :)

  • curly_yenta

    I’d love to see that list of booking fees. Link?

  • Eileen99

    I think you’re on to something.

  • SteelWauhterz

    I’d like to know that as well. There are only a few of the touring Idol alumni that can headline a show, putting more than, 3,500 people in seats on a consistent basis. I did not know Adam was one.

  • Larc

    Celebrity Talent International is one that lists many of the fees. The Idol list is linked. It lists Adam’s at $150,000-$250,000+ for US and $450,000-$749,998+ for international. The really big names don’t tend to show amounts, but just note fees are negotiable.

  • curly_yenta

    How current is that list, do you know? I wonder who makes the most money, regardless of fees. If they charge 100K and they don’t get booked, then what’s the point? If you charge 50K and get book regularly, then you are priced correctly.

  • Larc

    It’s apparently current for 2013. The list is redone annually.

  • No Thanks

    Oh Adam can easily put a few thousand butts in seats anywhere in the world.

  • curly_yenta

    It’s really hard for me to believe some of those Idols actually get their asking price based on the current condition of their careers. Makes me wonder who, if any, hires them.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Yes – was at the Pittsburgh one.

  • Q_3

    Actually, I suspect that RCA will get some blame for the missed opportunities. Adam cannot control many of their misses, like not paying for radio promo and trying to use the web.

  • Valarie

    Record labels are not charitable organizations. They have to turn a profit. If they don’t see enough profit potential from album sales, they will demand a piece of tour revenues.

  • No Thanks

    Adam gets hired plenty. All over the world. Fairs, festivals, special events, etc… Adam is a strong draw for live performances. That’s never been in question.

  • curly_yenta

    I wasn’t specifically looking at Adam… I was looking at everyone on the list.

  • Liteasy

    Let’s just face it – he doesn’t have enough fans for RCA to keep him and keep spending money on his music.

  • Q_3

    Well if you are going to use Metacritic at least eliminate the cases with small sample sizes.

    For example….

    Trespassing has 10 reviews aver US review is 77; average UK review is 56. 5 of the reviews on Metacritic are from the US, 5 are from the UK.

    Kelly’s Stronger has only 4 reviews on Metacritic; 3 from the US, 1 from the UK. Kelly’s UK review is scored at a 20.

    So does that mean that Trespassing is 180% better and Stronger in the UK?

    Of course not. It makes more sense to me to actually read the reviews.

  • Q_3

    Probably something that could be solved with a proper promotion budget.

  • Q_3

    Adam’s music is not EDM, he is a Pop-Rock artist. But there are 6 different genres represented on Trespassing. He also needs global distribution. I suspect that DMG probably has this covered.

  • Tinawina

    Yeah I agree, but like I said that doesn’t mean Adam is willing to sign one.

  • Happyhexer

    My take, unless someone can PROVE otherwise, with FACTS, not speculation:

    Whether an artist has “parted ways,” “been dropped,” or “walked Away” are pretty much the same thing. It’s all semantics. Only difference is how the label and artist handle it. If the label keeps mum, it allows the artist to “spin” the split. Creative differences is an oft-used excuse. But the reality is that no artist can easily walk away from a label, unless the contract has been fulfilled (requisite number of albums/years is up). Even big stars get caught in the label net, like Tim McGraw was with Curb Records. No artist — not even Adam Lambert — can walk away unless the label lets him or her go. The label has the option on the next album (unless quota filled per above) and gets to decide whether to go forward or not. If the artist doesn’t like the musical direction, they can balk, but they can’t walk away. Or, more accurately, they can’t sign with another label until the original contract ends or the label affirmatively releases them. And the label usually “owns” in some fashion whatever music they write/produce in the interim. It is a merciful blessing when a label “lets” an artist walk away, because the alternative is to “sit” on the artist — don’t release any music but also don’t release the artist to find a new label, etc.

    Ironically, that “sitting” on an artist is more likely to happen when the label sees the artist as viable, with the potential to provide competition to the label’s remaining roster of artists. And that is when creative differences are most likely — the label may “sit” on the artist to
    compel them to choose between creative control and producing music at all during the given time period.

    These are standard music industry contracts, and while contracts can vary from artist to artist, I doubt the labels deviate much from the standard contract, especially when they are signing new acts, like Adam. Now, if the artist is established in the industry, that is a different story. There is more wiggle room to negotiate.

    So, long story short, Adam Lambert did not “walk away” from RCA, any more than any other Idol or non-Idol artist who left their label did. They all were dropped (because if their contract was not at an end, their label had to “let” them leave before they could pursue other musical ventures). Or released from their contract, if that sounds better. The only difference is how the artist and their PR people “spin” the story — and whether the label supports the spin by agreeing/staying silent/not challenging the spin.

    And I gotta say, Adam Lambert has some brilliant PR people . . .

    But here’s the thing . . . IT DOESN’T MATTER! Adam is vocally gifted, he’s personable, and he’s a good entertainer. He will be fine! Even if it takes a bit of time to sort everything out.

    (P.S.) I’m of the camp that the split actually took place at an earlier point in time. If Adam is working on new music, as fans have claimed, he would not want to risk RCA laying any kind of claim to his work product, which could happen if he wrote a multi-platinum hit while still under contract to RCA.

  • Q_3

    In discussing Adam’s future label prospects, the myopic focus on recorded music sales makes little sense. Adam has the opportunity to sign a 360 deal now that he is free of 19R and RCA. That puts everything in a different perspective — it means that live performances and merchandise on the table. I doubt he will have any issue cutting a label deal if he wants one.

  • elliegrll

    It’s poor when we consider what the expectations were, the amount of money spent on both the production and promotion of the album, and the comparison of these numbers to the first album. If these numbers were not bad Adam would still have his contract.

  • elliegrll

    One of Adam’s singles had at least two ads on All Access. RCA worked radio stations to promote the album, we know this because of tweets from djs that were posted here by fans. Fans also posted about the work that RCA was doing with radio in the UK, and just a few days ago there was the talk about promo that was done in other European countries.

    We aren’t privy to all of the things that the labels do, and despite what has been posted before, the label shouldered a lot of the costs for the radio tours, tours that saw Adam visit some stations twice. Just because RCA pours money into radio promo that doesn’t mean that stations are going to play the songs, but it’s not the same as saying that no money was put into promoting the album.

  • elliegrll

    He’d had a contract, just like he did with RCA and 19, so he couldn’t just simply walk out.

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  • elliegrll

    Because it’s all up to Adam, and the people at the label won’t have a say.

    How about another perspective, given Adam’s age, style, recent problems with RCA, and lack of airplay, he’s going to have a hard time getting another label deal without having to sign a 360 deal. Given that the bulk of any artist’s money comes from touring, as well as owning the rights to their music, that can’t be an easy decision to make.

  • HKfan

    I’ve been to a slam poetry evening at a coffee shop, but have never seen a singer. Lots of bars in HK have live bands though.

  • maymay

    No matter walking away or being dropped, if you can`t sell, you can`t stay with big label.

    If doing the cover album will hurt Adam`s music career, doing the cover song on Glee is not great either. You can be a guest role but being a regular role seems like you are a cover singer. Unless you just wants to develop your atcor career.

    Adam is not a big name so all he needs is a very commerical and catchy single to attract radio play. Simply, it is just the music business ABC.

  • Mandy

    Carrie and Kelly get played on the radio. Go back and read Boy George’s tweet. “Anything is catchy if it’s played all day on the radio, even a fart on a loop could be stitched to your cranium!”

  • Q_3

    If the section option had to be executed by mid-May (third album) and RCA did not reach agreement with Adam, and they provided no compensation under a separate agreement, they would have no valid claim to any work product after Trespassing. Adam had no immediate need for money, so he would have no reason to compromise his rights.

    And I checked with a lawyer who specializes is IP work in the entertainment industry to verify this.

    Further, he informed me that it is highly unlikely that anyone would make a claim as specific as the one Adam did in his open letter about the limited nature of RCA’s offer, unless they could support that claim with formal requests/documents.

    And since Adam has excellent lawyers, some of the best in the business, I am certain every step of this was vetted.

  • Mandy

    Sorry, I would still say that a Rolling Stone score of 4/5 stars has more clout here in America than some UK review. Has there been any idol getting 4/5 stars from them? (I don’t know which is why I am asking). I heard it was pretty rare for a pop album. You wanna know how many UK reviews he had on his last album? ZERO.

  • breakdown

    Why does Adam not do more concerts then? Supposedly the most money is made from live performances.

  • marmom07

    The difference is very simple: actors on Glee are not expected to create/produce new, original music. Recording artists selling music are expected to create/produce their own original music or at least sing new music written by someone else. Night and day.

    The Glee gig will expose his vocal talent and his knack for exciting performances (yes singing covers but maybe his own music depending on the character he plays) and hopefully attract new fans who will check out Adam’s original music. Just like when he performs at concerts. There are always people at concerts who haven’t heard him before and like what they hear/see and go back to buy his music.

  • Q_3

    I guess we will have to see what happens.

    I do not think he will have an issue with age or style. And his reputation is that he is great to work with and professional.

  • HKfan

    I have no idea what Adams contract was/is with RCA…..but I have never seen a 5 album option mentioned anywhere, have only ever seen a 3 album option talked about, on any sites and I have been following him since Idol. Maybe they included his live cd as the 3rd album, so the 3 albums is fulfilled?

  • HKfan

    I love BTIKM…my then 10yo said it was the best single he had done, and even my husband liked it, said its ‘better than his normal crap’, he is so not an Adam fan!!!!

  • elliegrll

    He’s had an issue with both age and style, that’s why he’s no longer with RCA.

  • elliegrll

    Maybe, but so far Glee fans haven’t been interested in the original music that some of the other actors on the show have produced.

    The difference is very simple: actors on Glee are not expected to create/produce new, original music.

    People see them as characters/actors, and not as real artists, so how will Adam avoid facing the same problem? AI alums already face the task of getting people to stop seeing them as just reality show contestants, so this is a similar situation.

  • Q_3

    Really, what do you base that on?

  • Tinawina

    I don’t think his age is a big issue, or is stye really. I think age counts for when you are trying to break in, but he’s already been introduced. And he’s into pop dance and pop rock. That’s not a niche market.

    I do think he’s a bit risky for a major though, even with a 360 deal, unless he has one hell of a demo. He needs lots o’ promo money to be spent. But we’ll see! Anything is possible.

  • No Thanks

    Depends on how Adam views the Glee gig. An opportunity to expand his music buying audience? OR an opportunity to get his feet wet in acting and position himself for future acting gigs.

    I’m leaning towards the later. Many entertainers diversify as much as possible. Got to find multiple revenue streams these days. Doing just one thing can’t pay the bills anymore.

  • elliegrll

    A lawyer who isn’t personally involved in the situation isn’t worth a heck of a lot. You’ve listed several things that neither of us can back up. We have no idea when the next option needed to be picked up, when RCA told Adam that they wouldn’t exercise it, or what happened after that.

  • Q_3

    That is what the head of security operations told me. So I believe it was quite accurate.

    Adam has a high booking rate because he can fill venues, but I really do not see the point in comparing him to other Idols. I just compare him to other artists. Idol was over 4 years ago. The end of Adam’s relationship is the end of his Idol connection.

  • elliegrll

    He wanted to go pop and be seen as a pop star, but the format that was the more natural fit for him, and that was more open to playing his music was Hot AC. Just taking history into account, it’s going to be hard for any 27 year old to establish himself in the industry, harder for someone who is now 30, but incredibly hard when they are trying to break into pop.

  • No Thanks

    So why do you continue to make assumptions?

  • vamp111

    The Glee appearance won’t give Adam any career boost IMO.

  • AdenEsh

    That’s like saying to quiet a job or get laid-off or fired are the same and they’re not.

  • Q_3

    We do not even know what he is going to do. Is it 3 shows, or is it the Fall season? Is he in NY or Ohio? Will he be singing his music like he did in PLL or someone else’s music.

    But I can’t see how being in the cast of a show with 6 – 9 million viewers in the US and show around the world could not have an impact. Even the tweet announcement generated over 1,000 articles, news reports and entertainment news.

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  • vamp111

    It sure helped Jessica Sanchez’s career.

  • vamp111

    It sure helped Jessica Sanchez’s career.

  • supersonic

    Word. He refuses to do a cover album. Yet, he’s going on Glee to do some covers. Uh…

  • Q_3

    Seems likely that Adam’s option term was not changed from the standard year but I clearly wrote IF…

  • Montavilla

    Maybe, but so far Glee fans haven’t been interested in the original music that some of the other actors on the show have produced.

    I think that is a possible issue, but I don’t think it’s been proved beyond a doubt yet that Glee can’t help its stars branch out into other areas.

    As far as I’m aware, two Glee stars have tried putting out records so far. The first was Mark Saling, who plays Puck and hasn’t exactly lit the Gleeks on fire with his performances.

    The second was Matthew Morrison, who (I think) put out a sort of Michael Bublé type of album. I have no idea how it did, but I don’t think it would have had much appeal to the teens who watch Glee.

    Lea Michele is currently working on an album. Darren Criss is working on an album and has just done a tour. He’s a strong songwriter, and, out of all the cast, he’s the one I’d put my money on.

    Meanwhile, Chris Colfer went a completely different direction and he’s having a high time. He wrote and starred in a film which was recently released. He’s also written two novels now.

    And Jane Lynch is on Broadway.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Huge difference between a performance for a specific event, and another meant to be representative of you as an artist.

  • Mandy

    Well there has to been some kind of record of how many spins he got on both songs and during what hours and I would bet it isn’t very much. My local radio station added BTIKM but wouldn’t play it even when I requested it.There is probably a record of what the peak AI was and it probably wasn’t anywhere near 10 million, which is what you need to affect sales. So if someone can provide you with those figures, that would be great as it would prove you are incorrect.

  • Q_3

    I do not think Jessica has much in common with Adam — except that he was on Idol and she was on Idol. Beyond that Adam is a vastly different artist, with much more experience and will play a different role on the show. Adam walks onto Glee as a celebrity, singer/songwriter and brilliant performer.

    Jessica seems to be a nice teen who is a capable vocalist.

  • Q_3

    We do not know what Adam will do on Glee. We just have one tweet that says he is joining the cast.

  • alterego

    Beyond that Adam is a vastly different artist, with much more experience and will play a different role on the show. Adam walks onto Glee as a celebrity, singer/songwriter and brilliant performer.

    He usually has more experience than most Idols because he is lot older. Jessica is only 17. He is 31. I don’t think anyone knows the role that he will be playing. But likely it will be a character. Meaning that I would not be expecting Glamnation or any of his own songs. I have yet to see if he can act or not.

  • marjorie2009

    Wow, it takes Adam talk to reach 860. Hoot Hoot. Go Adam Go!

  • marjorie2009

    I am so excited with all the things happening to Adam! Great Times ahead!

  • marmom07

    The difference is full time actors releasing their first albums versus appearances by a real life music artists/performers. We don’t know yet what capacity or role he will be playing on the show.

    Jessica is just starting out so it’s logical that the show didn’t give her an obvious boost. Or people didn’t like her music or her singing style.

    Even if the show simply provides a paycheck, acting experience and money from iTunes sales of covers, he still comes out ahead. It will grow his contacts in the business. And some may go buy his music.

    I don’t see anyone saying this one gig will put all his new music at the top of the charts and magically give him tons of sales and radio play. But it IS better than sitting at home not working. Why is that so hard to understand?

  • marjorie2009

    excited with Glee! I will get to see Adam on TV.

  • marjorie2009

    So true. Big Difference. Beside what do we know of his role on Glee. As of now, just a have a tweet.

  • marmom07

    even at 17 Adam had way more entertainment experience than Jessica.

  • Q_3

    Adam is actually 31.5 years old — exactly the average of the 5 male pop or pop-rock artists on the top 20 CHR chart.

    1 ROBIN THICKE 36
    6 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE 32
    10 BRUNO MARS 27
    12 MAROON 5/Adam Levine 34
    13 CALVIN HARRIS 29
    Average age 31.6 years old.

    So highly unlikely that Adam’s age is an issue.

    And regarding “style” — Adam is a pop rock artist and not some weird exotic genre.

  • marmom07

    I’ve never believed this idea of being “too old”. Especially for a man. He is a good looking man with vocal talent and an exciting performer. Who really cares how old someone singing on the radio is? Do you track every singers age and change the station when a singer over 25 comes on the radio. Maybe the very youngest tweenies are only going to stan cute boy bands or boy artists but teens and young adults more likely just care about the tune.

  • milwlovesadam

    True, he was in theater and musical theater starting at age 10, with many lead roles. He often cites his teachers in his liner notes and in interviews. Yes, Adam is older than Jessica, so he brings a lot more to the table.

  • marmom07

    wait I thought it was album sales so how is that age and style?

  • AdenEsh

    He might perform Outlaw of Love! Who know what the story will be for Adam? We just have to be positive and we know Adam will be amazing. I can’t wait to watch Glee and everything else.

  • Soe

    Yep. It’s a sinking low-rated ship that’s considered a joke and irrelevant by media outlets.

    None of those A-List stars are begging to go on it anymore.

  • Q_3

    I am certain that Adam and DMG will work out everything without assistance from fans. And I am equally certain that Adam is correct, no matter what he does, or how he behaves, or what he sings or says, he will never be able to please everyone.

    Whatever else, I am sure he is one the right path:
    “My passion for the music & respect for the fans will always come
    first. I am excited to find a new label team who shares this vision.”

  • Cingara

    The age thing is a non-issue IMHO. Beyoncé, Nicki Minaj, David Guetta, FloRida, Pitbull, Enrique Iglesias, Kelly Clarkson, Adam Levine, Xtina Aguilera, JLo, Britney, Carrie, Fergie, Ryan Tedder, Jason Mraz, Pink, Gwen Stefani, Gotye – and more – all in their 30’s or older, quite a few older than Adam by a couple of years. Just under 30 – Katy Perry, Bruno Mars. 20’s – Jessie J, Adele, Gaga, Rihanna, Miley. No one turns off the radio because of age – most people don’t even know.

  • elliegrll

    What assumptions did I make? I’ve tried very hard to state my opinions as opinions. I’ve pointed out what was posted in the press about the season 8 contract, if someone is in LA they can go and get a copy, so that we can get a clearer picture.

    Until then, we know what the length of Adam’s contract with 19R was, and we know how many options RCA had.

  • elliegrll

    The season finale of Glee didn’t draw 6 million viewers, so it’s doubtful that the show will reach that number next season.

  • elliegrll

    Adam doesn’t have a reputation for being a songwriter.

  • lovetheusa1776

    In Hillary’s inimitable words, “What difference does it make?”

  • lovetheusa1776

    Since he’s only written part of one album, he’s certainly not Irving Berlin. But he is sometimes introduced in print as singer/songwriter AL.

  • elliegrll

    With the possible exception of Calvin Harris, None of these people tried to launch their careers when they were 27, 31, or 31.5. There’s a difference between being an established artist at 30 and being someone who is trying to find an audience, and be accepted as a pop artist.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Doubt the average listener knows the age of any of these people.

  • elliegrll

    It’s the difference between saying that Adam walked away from his deal with RCA, and saying that RCA didn’t want to pick up the option under the original terms of the contract.

  • elliegrll

    Yet ageism exists at radio, and it’s hard for those over 30 to break as commercial pop artists.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Like who cares except a coupla non-fans. The result is the same. And the press is great. Time to move on (Hillary again).

  • lovetheusa1776

    Have no info, but seems likely. Think the age issue is more of a female problem though – males, from what I see, get more of a break.

  • Q_3
  • Q_3

    Because there is not “too old” for male vocalists in pop music. This is partly do to societal attitudes but also because trained male vocalists hit maturity/peak between 35 and 40 — very different then female vocalist who are typically at their vocal peak around 25.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Will he be singing his music

    He definitely won’t be singing his own music. That’s not how Ryan Murphy rolls.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Adam won’t be promoting his own music on Glee. That’s not how it works.

    He’ll cover other people’s songs handed to him by Ryan Murphy.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Adam will be singing covers on Glee. That’s how the show works.

  • sd34567

    Yes, it’s a comfort to his fans, basically.

  • Q_3

    No it isn’t. Because if the option in Adam’s contract had to be exercised by May 15, 2013, he could have had an offer and rejected it on May 15, 2013 and just announced it now. And the same if true if it was June 15, 2013.

    I believe that you are trying to prove that Adam was dropped because Trespassing was a horrible failure. But it appears, that RCA want Adam to put out an album of 80’s cover songs and he decided he did not what to do that,

    But what does it matter? Is it because other Idol were dropped and Adam can’t be allowed to be better or more special? I believe all the Idols are special and have there own path. Selling 16 CDs versus 14 CDs is not a measure of who is better or more worthy.

  • Q_3

    Adam is not unknown and starting his career.

  • marmom07

    do you have specific examples/links? cause I’m not buying it.

    I buy that the perception of the age of the artists fan base may matter to programmers trying to convince potential advertisers that the radio stations demo audience is the same as what the advertiser is trying to reach. But the age of the artist when they are trying to break? perhaps if the artist is 50’s or 60’s.

  • Q_3

    He probably will but we do not know what role he will be playing. We do not even know how large or small this part will be.

    On PLL he played Adam Lambert and sang two of his songs. He was the entertainment at the Halloween party and part of the storyline.

    In at least 3 interviews done in the past 18 months he suggested that he could play himself on Glee. One I recall was in THR, I believe January 2012.

  • marmom07

    well as they say about the stock market “past performance is not a guarantee of future performance”

    I’ll grant you it seems unlikely but until we hear for sure one is free to speculate.

  • jan

    Adam will be probably be over 32 and close to 33 by the time a new album comes out. Very few labels move heaven and earth to get an album out quickly for a newly signed artist. It will be difficult to get play on Top 40 radio at that age (when you didn’t hit it really big much younger). However that may not be a problem with HAC or AC.

  • supersonic

    Speculate about what? He’s not going to do his own songs. If he does, that’s going to be a shock.

  • Niall

    Hold up, wait a sec…
    You sought out a LAWYER to ask him about something going on with a CELEBRITY whom you have NO ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH??

    Huh. Alrighty then. That seems normal…

  • Q_3

    I guess that people who are not familiar with any of his albums or EPs, and who never attended a concert and had not paid much attention to Adam except on Idol, would have low awareness of his songwriting abilities.

    Adam been described as a singer-songwriter in Rolling Stone and Billboard and numerous other press report for the past 4 years. Before Idol, he wrote about 30 songs. Some of the dance-pop songs are pretty good. He co-wrote many of the songs on both albums. And most of the songs he preforms in concert he co-wrote.

  • marmom07

    yup that would be a shock now wouldn’t it. Perhaps the show will decide to shake things up and do something different. We don’t know how he will be cast. It could be like they’ve done it before and it might not be. LOL we aren’t talking rocket science.

  • marmom07

    probably depends on who you are asking.

  • supersonic

    They’re not going to change the way they do things for Adam Lambert. He’s not going to be doing his own songs. He’s going to be doing covers. He might not even sing at all, but I doubt that.

  • supersonic

    He’s still going to be singing covers after refusing to do a cover album.

  • Q_3

    Adam co-wrote 6 of 19 tracks from FYE and 13 of 18 tracks on Trespassing.

    And he wrote about 30 songs before Idol that we know of, These are the songs that were recorded and/or registered like “Crawl Through Fire”.

  • lovetheusa1776

    You’re correct – didn’t realize so many from FYE.

  • lovetheusa1776

    He can sing as many covers as he wants as long as they’re not on his next album.

  • marmom07

    ah but I didn’t say they would choose to change things for Adam now did I? I said they might decide to change things up. Some have said how the shows ratings are slipping. So it’s logical that they may want to make some changes.

    I think it’s great if Adam is singing covers on Glee there are a lot of great songs that I know he could sing really well. He could do them like the original or he could change the song a lot. But singing one off covers on Glee isn’t the same a selling a whole album of covers.

  • marmom07

    why does that bother you so much? Where you looking forward to the album of covers?

  • standtotheright

    I am by no means a Lambert stan, but these things are not remotely similar. An actor, especially a later-season supporting role actor, has a job: To fill out the requirements of the writers’ script and director’s cues. On Glee, that almost always means singing rerecorded popular songs. I think Glee has had the one-off original, but it would be unusual.

    As a named recording artist, one has a job: To express one’s identity through the writing and/or selection of tracks expressly designed to represent oneself as an artist. In the contemporary American music industry, that generally means singing original songs. Of course some successful artists do remakes, but an entire album of them early in a recording career would be unusual.

    Of course the perception in the pop culture world for each of those scenarios is different. Why would anyone expect otherwise?

  • marmom07

    Thanks, Nice job explaining the difference.

    Which has been pointed out repeatedly all day. Some just don’t see it.

  • Q_3

    What is this based on?

  • Q_3

    Since I am married to him it is not so wacky. It is “in house counsel”.

  • Mandy

    What does that matter? Kelly and Carrie aren’t known for it either but they have co-written songs and appear as songwriter in their wikis. Trying to understand why Adam is always held to a different standard.

  • supersonic

    If Glee cared about their slipping ratings, they would’ve done something a long time ago. They just renewed for two more seasons as the ratings are slipping. They probably think they’re fine.

    And he’s still going to be singing covers after refusing to do an album of covers. Same thing to me.

  • Mel432

    Apples and oranges.

    He will be acting, and did someone say they dance on there too? Adam is very flexible and has great movement. He’s danced in his concerts and surprised a lot of people. People who’ve never seen or heard Adam will discover how talented he is. This is nothing but a win/win for him.

  • supersonic

    Then, why are some saying that doing Glee is going to help his career when he’s not going to be doing any original material on there?

  • Happyhexer

    And sometimes it IS the same. Sometimes a person is allowed to resign in lieu of being fired. A face-saving device for sure, but the person has nevertheless been forced out.

  • Mandy

    Because they will be able to hear his voice and may check out some of his other work. Just as the people who fell in love with him on Idol singing covers, then checked out his videos of previous work on YouTube and decided to buy his album after that because they liked his voice. This is a very common scenario among the Adam fans I’ve met. Internationally, it is usually because they heard a song of his on the radio.

  • marmom07

    There is absolutely no reason to think the the glee show runners are unaware of their ratings or their rating slip. Rating do matter and it’s well know to those who are working on a show how the show is doing in the ratings. It’s pure speculation to say they don’t care or aren’t worried.

    I have no doubt that Adam, his management and the Glee show runners worked out a mutually acceptable role and story line for Adam’s time on the show. I’m sure that what ever was agreed to by all is considered good for all. Or they wouldn’t have agreed to it. So the show thinks it will be good for the show and Adam and his peeps think this will be a good thing for him.

    So we will see how it all plays out.

  • marmom07

    nvm

  • standtotheright

    Are people saying that? I don’t know that it will help his career as a recording artist (since none of the actors who released solo albums after appearing on Glee sold that well or got much radio play). However, being on a broadcast TV series adds a virgule to the descriptor list and usually means some ancillary opportunities. It keeps him visible. So it might “help” in the sense of being better than some alternatives while he considers what, if anything, he wants to do about recording more original material in the (near) future.

  • springboard2

    It shows that the audience of Glee doesn’t buy indiscriminately the music of its actors, not that Glee isn’t a promo platform. Promotion is a multiplying factor, it boosts what appeals to the audience. If the appeal is null or small, the result is null or small whatever the platform.

    If Adam releases music with widespread appeal close to the time he is on the show, he’ll benefit from the exposure.

  • Mandy

    According to his wiki, David Guetta broke out with mainstream success in 2009. He’s 45. His first album was in 2002, when he was 34.

  • Mandy

    You’re right. I remember I was surprised that Gavin DeGraw (when he toured with David Cook) didn’t draw very big crowds (didn’t sell out < 2K venues) and he has many platinum singles. Also, although I don't know what the final crowd was for Train in the same San Diego venue the week before, I remember someone who was tracking the sold seats for both said that Adam tickets were selling at a faster pace.

  • Mandy

    I am very much trying to understand why this matters so much to the non-fans. They are spending an inordinate amount of energy on trying to discredit someone. If Adam just so happens to have another label already lined up, are their heads gonna explode because their idols didn’t? I still respect all the idols who got signed, even if they got dropped, parted ways, whatever. There are some who I thought were very talented that didn’t get a record deal at all.

  • tigervixxxen

    She could have just reported RCA dropped him when the original Friday night at midnight eastern 19 dropped him special came out. No need to withhold information.

  • elliegrll

    It’s based on history, and the problems that those over a certain age have in getting pop radio to play their music.

  • elliegrll

    Guetta’s career didn’t start in 2009, and that’s not when he released his first album.. That’s when he achieved mainstream success.

  • elliegrll

    Why round up? 5.92 million is less than 6 million. So how is my statement wrong?

  • elliegrll

    Wiki is the final word on any subject.

    Carrie and Kelly have been recognized for their songwriting. Carrie has won several BMI awards, I think the awards, and the success of the songs are why they are recognized for the writing ability.

  • elliegrll

    Because if the option in Adam’s contract had to be exercised by May 15, 2013,

    Where are you getting these dates from? You are using “ifs” and dates, but I don’t understand where this info. is coming from.

    I’ll do another “If”, if Trespassing was the success that we have been lead to believe, especially internationally, RCA wouldn’t want or suggest that Adam do an album of 80’s covers. Why take a path that would harm Adam by making it impossible for him to be taken seriously as a current artist, and why abandon a path that was successful? It just doesn’t add up.

  • lizze mcckey

    And Adam isn’t just starting his career at 31. He already had mainstream success before 31 and has therefore been introduced to the pop radio. Now back to Guetta, the fact remains he broke on US radio and had his major success when he was almost 40. Same can be said about Gotye, Nate Ruess from ‘Fun’, Robin thicke that currently has the no. 1 song on pop radio has never been a Pop superstar, Macklemore, another current chart topper is another one that has been struggling in the game and just having major pop play/success now, Nicki minaj started almost at the same time as Adam and there is just 1 year age difference between them, K’naan the canadian rapper got airply for the first time on US radio last year and had both his two singles chart, yet he is 35. I could go on, but would for now with these examples.

  • lizze mcckey

    Yes with female singers, but there are no evidences that is the case with male singers as radio charts always reveal and still currently reveals.

  • lizze mcckey

    Yes, this is a true saying in the idol bubble, but the reality on the radio and in the real world says otherwise.

    Moreover, times are changing and the music world is evolving. Nobody knows if radio would have become a bit irrelevant and there would have been other popular means of selling music by the time he releases his next record. What is that wise saying again…..well, ‘it is never say never’.

  • lizze mcckey

    Anything above .50 is rounded up in mathematics/the scientific world. That is basic mathematics by the way.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I agree. If Adam plays himself, then there’s a much better chance of him singing his own music than if he’s playing a role (not himself). I’m looking forward to seeing Adam on Glee, and hope that his appearance is for more than a couple of episodes. I also feel that Adam has real potential as an actor, but I guess that we’ll see.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “virgule”

    Learned a new word today. Thanks, standtotheright. :) Plus, you explained the merits of a Glee appearance very well.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I wonder if RCA was open to renegotiating/negotiating Adam’s contract as a 360 deal and turned it down? I guess that we’ll never know.

  • lizze mcckey

    No, every artist makes fans through radio play. Have you heard that music rule that says; casual fans make and break every artist?

    He would have had fans if the pds gave his music a chance or if his labels had pushed harder for the pds to give his music a chance.

    Moreover, every idol not named Carrie or Kelly is facing this uphill battle with the pds. I think instead of idol fans rejoicing over the downfall of another non-favourite, the concern should be why pds have chosen to treat Idols this way and prevent a typical idol’s music from being played after their first album.

    That is why Idol as a show is loosing its credibility and has lost this fan. If they don’t know something is wrong with the Idol machine who only promotes its contestants right after their season and subsequent eras give them little to no promo, then I doubt that show wouldn’t continue its current downspiral slip.

  • lizze mcckey

    They are because they get constant radio play irregardless of what they send to radio. This has of course given them an edge and helped to showcase their song writing ability. Adam unfortunately for now doesn’t get the same treatment from radio and it is not because his songs are any inferior.

    Now the music critics and himself call Adam a singer/songwriter which are also opinions. When it comes to who is giving an opinion though, I as a layman would take the opinion of experienced and known entities over that of nobodies anytime anyday.

  • lizze mcckey

    I can and here is the link – http://adaminradioland.wordpress.com/page/8/

    None of the songs had a combined AI peak of more than 5 million. And it is a known fact to everyone except those that know little about radio play and sales that it takes at least 10m AI for airplay to impact sales.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Well, since I feel that the only certainties in life are death and taxes, I’ll just say that I hope that Adam and DMG will work everything out in a positive way for his career. lol I respect Adam’s desire to continue to pursue the music that he wants to make and hope that he finds personal satisfaction and success in that pursuit. Best of luck to him!

  • Karen C

    Actually, it’s totally different because on Glee he will be playing a role. When he does his own original music it will be representing himself.

    Jennifer Lopez played Selena in a movie, and sang her songs, and did her original music totally separately.

    What Glee does is give him exposure as an actor, in addition to singer. It’s possible also he wants to do acting in addition to his original music.

  • springboard2

    Yes, it is something that will be added to his portfolio and will give him some exposure. It won’t be determining for his career as a recording artist, but will contribute to keeping him in the public eye.

    It may be more or less depending on his part and the season success, but even very little is better than nothing.
    In any case, it’s paid work, on TV for a show that still has a reasonable profile.

  • lizze mcckey

    You don’t know this. A lot of singers have taken acting gigs and still put out successful albums after those gigs.

    And like they say promo is culmulative and every exposure helps. His recording success now depends on how his next label is able to push him on radio. RCA definitely didn’t do that and Idols from experience tend to get heavy promo just for their first offerings. If he is lucky to secure a label that believes in him and can market him, his recording career is all set to go. He is still doing better than most Idols and it is never over until it’s over.

  • HermeticallySealed

    And it is still a completely different situation, whether you understand that fact or not is irrelevant.

  • springboard2

    Rounding up is lying? oh well..

  • HermeticallySealed

    It’s called exposure. It’s that little thing that people do to remind the broader audience that they still exist, and to maybe check out their other bodies of work. It’s not rocket science.

    Nobody (well, MOST) is saying it’s going to launch his career into overdrive, but it would be stupid to pass up exposure on a major network prime time show that still is in the the top 4 or 5 of the night. Meanwhile, an album of covers does not add anything, really. Only the most diehard of an artist’s fans would even notice.

  • HermeticallySealed

    5.92 is generally rounded up to 6 in most realms last I saw. And while TECHNICALLY that is true, it is pretty much splitting hairs at that number.

  • supersonic

    Jennifer Lopez played Selena in a movie, and sang her songs, and did her original music totally separately.

    Jennifer Lopez didn’t sing the Selena songs. She lip synched them.

    Anyway. Can Lambert even act? Because from what I’ve heard of his appearance on that Pretty Little Liars mess, he was terrible.

  • sd34567

    Are people saying that?

    Yes.

  • lizze mcckey

    Some posters here already said the singers on Glee lip synch.

    Don’t worry about his acting, that should be Ryan Murphys problem I think.

  • Karen C

    The point is, when an actor or actress is playing a role an sings in that role, it doesn’t represent his or her original music.

    And he acted professionally for years in theater before Idol, so I’m sure he’ll be fine for Glee.

  • springboard2

    You don’t know this. A lot of singers have taken acting gigs and still put out successful albums after those gigs.

    I agree and it was my point, but may be I wasn’t clear :)

  • marmom07

    Well in the realm of math even 5.6 can be rounded up to 6. Checked any company or federal budgets lately? all use rounding. it’s not lying.

    In the world of TV viewer ratings a difference of 0.08 million viewers is negligible and well down in to the statistical margin of error for viewing numbers anyway. If you use +/- 0.3 as your sampling error (estimate based on article below) then the actual viewer numbers could be as low as 5.62 or as high as 6.22. So with either number it’s perfectly legit to round to 6 as in 6 million viewers.

    See this article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/08/opinion/08pubed.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  • Montavilla

    Yes, but Elliegrll is still correct in saying “less than six millon.” It’s just not that much less than six million. And 5.92 million is still 5.92 million more people seeing Adam on TV than saw him this week.

  • marmom07

    Well since we are splitting hairs…given the estimated margin of error it could actually be more than 6 million viewers. Which is why this is now just beyond silly. :)

    Agree completely: Adam will get paid to do this gig and being seen on TV is a good thing for Adam (because I’m sure he will do a great job).

    How many watched when he hosted the VH1 Divas thing? I can’t find numbers for 2012 but 2011 had 1.3 million viewers. So even if Glee viewership is only 5 million,that’s more than for his previous tv outings. Pretty Little Liars recently had 2.97 (didn’t round up) viewers so Glee will be a bigger audience. What remains to be seen is how big of a role will he have. I’m wondering what impact Cory’s death will have on the story line originally planned for Adam.

  • sdmama

    What a week for fans of Glee… I am just sad now, and no longer in the mood to speculate.

  • marmom07

    I hear you. It’s entirely possible that they re-write in a way they have to leave out the story line that Adam would be in. They only have so much time to tell the story.

    Just a terrible loss. My heart goes out to his family and loved ones.

  • Mel432

    They haven’t even started taping the shows yet. Do you have inside information, or do you just know all the A-listers?

  • Mel432

    C&K may be more recognized as songwriters because they have had so many hit songs. Have David Cook and Kris Allen had any hit songs they’ve written, or even teeny tiny hits? Michael Sarver has written thousands of songs, but have any of them been even released as singles? Why is it so important for you to try to discredit Adam as a songwriter?

  • Q_3

    1. Because I wrote it in millions and that is how rounding is done. 2. Because ratings are estimates based on small samples not actual measurements of total viewership. AND 3. Because I was attempting to make a point — GLEE reaches a lot of people. These people are a new audience for Adam. Increasing awareness of Adam among this new audience is not a bad thing.

    The interesting thing is I looked back to the threads on this site about Jessica Sanchez on GLEE and there is not one comment about GLEE being “a joke and irrelevant by media outlets” and numerous comments about it being a great career move.

    I guess the show changed since Ryan tweeted on June 10, 2013. Adam is a very powerful force. He had the same power over VH1 Divas and QUEEN and performing in China and…..

  • Q_3

    Only when it involve Adam. ;)

  • elliegrll

    We can round the number all day long, but the fact would still be that the season finale drew less than 6 million people, so the rounded number would be wrong, false and a lie.

    I gave the exact number who viewed the show, and didn’t need to change it in order to prove my point. Personally, I think that says a lot. I certainly didn’t have to go 3 million people higher, and make it seem like 9 million people watched the final.

    And in most businesses they are not going to round numbers, since that would mean that their final total would not add up.

  • ANNIEBA

    Hell yes, he is on the right path. If RCA wasn’t going to promote him the way he wanted of course he had to move on. I am just happy they didn’t string him along with nothing on the horizon like many other artists. He is free to pursue his dream elsewhere and I have no doubt he find the right fit very soon.
    As far as Glee goes, I can’t believe anyone could possibly see this as a negative. He will stay in the public eye and not disappear before releasing new music. I am sure the degree of exposure and success derived from it will be much debated depending on how you feel about Adam, but the point is it WILL be discussed and there is your exposure advantage. Aside from how it will help his career (and it will, even if just a small amount), I am so excited to see him on TV I can’t wait!!

  • elliegrll

    It is when my post said that less than 6 million watched the show, and then I’m told that that’s not true, IF we round the figure up. Which one of those statements is less true, and more of a lie?

  • Ria.

    We don’t know when he split with RCA. He might have split with them months ago and has been working on original music since then. They still coul have wanted him to record a cover album before that split.

  • elliegrll

    Funny, I always thought that the point of rounding was to make things simpler, but if you need to be accurate, which in science people often need to be, it’s a bad idea, since it can produce a false result. I don’t think that I want my doctor rounding my dosages up, in order to make the math easier, since the results could cause unwanted side effects.

  • elliegrll

    They are because they get constant radio play irregardless of what they send to radio.

    I don’t think that we have to diminish what they’ve done in order to raise Adam up. If he’s as good as you say he is there shouldn’t be a need to trash other people or the success that they have achieved. What they have done, and what Adam has failed to do, is found an audience.

  • springboard2

    You corrected Q_3’s comments because she stated 6 million when it is 5.92, and then call the rounded number a lie… a lie …

  • HermeticallySealed

    If accuracy is the point, then one needs to take into consideration that ratings do NOT give accurate numbers to begin with. Merely a guestimate based on limited sampling. Let’s not pretend that number is a set in stone fact.

  • lizze mcckey

    Well, that is your own theory. The universal accepted one allows the rounding up of figures. And there is nothing more factual (except religion to some) than science. And in science, I was thought there are always some little percentages of wrong/right calculated into all scientific figures (I’m not the most brilliant science student, but I still remember this fact from my physics, chemistry and mathematics classes).

  • elliegrll

    I didn’t try to discredit him, I just said that he hasn’t built up a reputation as a songwriter.

  • lizze mcckey

    Please don’t put words in my mouth. You implied that and not me.

    All I’m saying is, using Kelly/carrie to prove that Adam is not a songwriter is rather a bit silly. They have not played on the same level field and many factors have been played in, which is ok since life generally is not fair.

    Repeating myself again, I take the opinions of recognized bodies/entities, Adam, and Adam’s fans who have actually bought his music and seem to like what he has written more valuable than that of some nonetities who probably have never even checked out his music or they aren’t even fans of his to like anything he does in the first place.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    This thread is long enough without bickering over non-important issues. Stop it here, or I’ll delete ALL of the posts in this thread.

  • Nancy L.

    Corey had been basically scripted out of the show at the end of last season due to addiction problems. Can’t believe they wouldn’t have a backup plan.

  • elliegrll

    Well, that is your own theory.

    Actually, it’s the reasoning also given by wiki, which people seem to love, and several other sites if you do a google search. In science most calculations need to be as accurate as possible, since even minor fluctuations can change a result, so rounding wouldn’t make a lot of sense.

  • Nancy L.

    Find it hard to believe how many people are commenting on rounding numbers!!!! (Even me) Who cares!!!!!!!

  • ANNIEBA

    How is 6, I mean, 5.92, million watchers a bad thing? So what if ratings are down, this is still pretty good isn’t it? Compare zero to 5.92 million, hmmmm, I don’t know, I don’t know. The nit picking about Glee is pretty ridiculous, IMO. I would be happy for anyone getting a role on this show, idol or not, it’s a great opportunity, no way around it.

  • ANNIEBA

    I really don’t think WWFM is beyond the realm of possibility. New music I don’t think so, but WWFM was a hit.

  • thirdtime

    You said Adam will probably be playing a character – just curious – what did Jessica do on the show? I didn’t watch it.

  • Montavilla

    Jessica played “the diva singer of a rival choir group.”

    In practical terms, this meant that she sang a few seconds of the national anthem in one episode as Matthew Morrison’s character looked on in shock and awe.

    In her second appearance, she performed two songs onstage as part of the Regional competition. I think one was “Wings” by Little Mix. I forget the other one. Neither was a song from her album.

    To be honest, it was a bit of a disappointment for someone who likes Jessica. But that’s often what happens on Glee. Hints are teased about upcoming guests or storylines and only half of what you’d expect shows up onscreen.

  • Mandy

    Did Goyte have a big hit before Somebody That I Used to Love? He is 33.

  • Mandy

    This is a great post. I think you have just proven someone wrong. :)

  • Mateja Praznik

    Gotye is Australian alternative artist. STIUTK was a big anomaly for him. It’s different from his regular material. That’s why there was no follow-up hit.

  • Montavilla

    I wonder about that a little, too. But I don’t think that’s anyone biggest concern right now. There are so many other, larger ways that the show will be affected.

  • Mandy

    Check out his skit on VH1 Divas. I am pretty sure Ryan Murphy has done his due diligence to ascertain whether Adam can act at a level the show requires, otherwise he would not have hired him. Also hearing the Glee is not known for having great actors.

  • lizze mcckey

    Nevertheless, he fits the discusion since he got that breakthrough on US radio at over 30 of age. And that mainstream success won him how many grammies again…I’m guessing at least 2 or 3. So it is not true radio doesn’t play artists once they are over 30; especially male artists who are held unto different rules.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Heh, it was ONE song. ONE BIG SONG. Anomaly. Breakthrough? Hard to call it that since he is now back where he was before.

  • jan

    I wasn’t going to comment on this thread any more as it is getting old. However, since I was carefully following the Gotye phenomenon as it was happening – I can’t resist. Gotye’s sales came before his radio success. The song was irresistible and sold well long before it got significant radio play. It entered and stayed in the iTunes top 100 months before it got any radio play. It was a success internationally before it was played on U.S. radio. It’s video was viewed millions of times before it got radio play. After a while radio could not ignore consumer demand. But what has happened since then? I like many other songs on his album but radio never played any more of his songs. He’s done.

  • deshae78

    Well I am very glad hat Adam walked away but sad because his label didn’t support him. I am still excited for him to be on Glee & I hope it will lead to more opportunities. It’s a tough business nowadays for a recording artist & Adam needs to find opportunities wherever he can.

    There’s no way Adam could spin a covers album in a positive way when he only had 2 albums out of originals. If that’s what a “major label” is going to do for him, well, good riddance then.

  • Montavilla

    I don’t know that age is that much of an issue to radio. I think it’s more of an issue to record labels.
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  • marmom07

    Deleted just saw MJ’s post

  • marmom07

    It seems that Glee likes big theatrical numbers. Adam has several songs that could fit the bill. Thinking of Soaked, Underneath, Aftermath.
    If Glee sticks to only music that is well known to the public then he sing covers.

    Still don’t care what he sings on Glee. I’m happy he’s working and getting paid. He was asked to be on the show.

  • Karen C

    I doubt he signs with another Major. They know the moment he disagrees with them, he will “walk out”

    If he signed with them to do original music, and they were going to force him to do covers, which he didn’t want to do, he was right to walk out if legally able to.

  • Incipit

    “He can pull a Matt Morrison”

    Hmm, Interesting thought. Morrison just dropped his second album last week, and no one seems to give him grief about sales, or even talk about what they are.

  • alterego

    He hired Jessica Sanchez, so he must have thought she had potential.

  • lizze mcckey

    I also followed his phenomenon. His song didn’t just stay in the iTunes top 100 without radio play. He was already receiving spins on the alternative formats and yes, he had a lot of hype too coming from the international success of that song. Nevertheless, all these happened for him at over 30 of age and that was his first breakthrough success.
    By the way, he wasn’t the only 30+ singer I pointed out as they were others I listed too. And I did that just to counter you that it is not possible to find success on the Pop format once you are in your 30s. The charts in the past and at present have proven this assersion of yours to be a big fallacy that happens to be true just in the idol bubble.

  • Valarie

    Morrison’s first album was with UMG and the second is on Adam Levine’s new label. So yeah, he has been dropped over sales in the past, too.
    Maybe one AL will sign the other AL

  • lizze mcckey

    I wonder why he’s the only you singled out out of the 30+ male artists that are on the charts and didn’t catch their break until they are in their 30s that I listed?
    Are you trying to say pop radio doesn’t play any male new artist that is over 30 or what is your point?.
    He might be back where he is, but that is for now or can you see into the future?
    And even if he never gets any more pop hits, you can’t take away his success from him. He has grammies and a no.1 world smash to his name already and most artists not even as old as him would dream for that kind of career peak or struggle to attain such.

  • Mateja Praznik

    The problem with Gotye is that yes, that one song got all the success that one song can get in this world. But, once that song was done, he was back to square 1. As I mentioned before, STIUTK was a fluke for him, it’s different from his usual stuff.

    Adam wanted to be a popstar. Like Britney Spears or Lady Gaga or Katy Perry or Beyonce. You know, popstars that churn out hits and get played on CHR radio and possibly other formats and are here for long term stay. Not just one big hit, unlikely to be repeated again.

  • Mateja Praznik

    We are talking about pop artists establishing themselves. Gotye isn’t a pop artist, he is alternative. One of his songs went viral and that’s why pop radio played it. He is unlikely to ever come close to repeating this. Even though CHR radio played STIUTK, he is still far from being a core artist on the format. Gotye’s age was totally irrelevant. The song was a viral hit.

    Popstars usually establish themselves in their late teens or early twenties. For example, Britney was signed to Jive at 16 and “…. Baby One More Time” was released when she was 17. She is now over 30 and after more than a decade of producing pop hits, no one blinked an eye when she turned 30. That said, things will get harder when she nears the big 40. Not that it matters. She is a millionaire and has a big collection of hits. She can retire from recording new music today and continue earning millions for a long time to come.

  • lizze mcckey

    This discussion is not about Gotye, sorry. The question is does radio play new artists once they are over 30 and the answer based on the charts is yes, period.

    I’m sure the others I listed (if you cared to look at those names) i,e, from Guetta, Carvin Harris, Fun, Macklemore (sp) etc have been churning out hits since their success and getting their subsequent singles played on the radio.

    Once again, why nitpick Gotye and make the discussion about him?

  • lizze mcckey

    OK, we appear to be looking at two different radio charts and have different opinions about things.

    The current radio Pop chart I’m looking at tells me artists (esp. male artists) can catch a major break at any point of their career: – See ‘that Punk’ whose highest peaking pop single before now wasn’t even a top 20 for an example, – but yours says otherwise. Believe what you will while I believe what the charts reveal and tell me. Like they say, figures don’t lie.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Well, I didn’t mention him first. Again, Gotye is a bad example since is is an alternative artist.

    It’s just the truth that if you want to be a pop artist, you have to start young – in your late teens or early twenties. If you establish yourself young, you can be a core pop artist long after your 30th birthday. If you start late, you still might be lucky to get some pop radio support. But your window of opportunity will be short and the support might not last long. Ageism is alive and well in pop music.

  • Mandy

    Yes, you are splitting hairs. Still his album, he wrote and produced everything.His first big hit featured Kelly Rowland, not exactly a name you think of for repeated radio play at least not here in the US.

  • lizze mcckey

    I forgot to say, not everyone gets discovered the way or has the same career trajectory as Rihanna or Britney. It has always been easy for the ‘disney’ kids anyway since pds welcome them with open arms with no stigma attached.

    Adele had just one HAC hit on her previous album and not another single hit after that. I’m sure some people would have also written her style/image off as being too alternative and that she could never be a pop princess. Well she came back swinging with the last album and today one of the biggest pop artists in the world.

    A wise person’s mantra should be – never say never. And based on this I’m not one of those writing Gotye off yet.

  • Mandy

    Thank you lizze. Everything you say makes so much sense and you are able to back it up. Giving you lots of “likes”.

  • lizze mcckey

    It is not the truth. Pop artists get made at different stages in life. Not everyone is a ‘disney’ kid that would have that easy ride. And I know you didn’t mention Gotye first, but you decided to build your points around him whereas several other artists his age range were listed.

    Meanwhile, tell that truth you are preaching to the likes of Guetta, Minaj, Macklemore or Harris who have been churning out hits after hits and seen as bonafide pop artists.

  • Mateja Praznik

    David Guetta is a producer. Like Calvin Harris, Timbaland, Avicii.

    Guetta comes up with the beats and melody. Top line writer churns out the lyrics. Then some big name radio darling lays down the lyrics and then the song is sold as Guetta feat. Artist X or Artist X feat. Guetta.

  • Not fit to print

    Doesn’t his current mangement company get a share of his live performance and merchandise revenues? Are they flat fee, then, or is his contract with them up? It was negotiated two summers ago and could be running out but they still seem to be in place.

  • Not fit to print

    Yes, and have you ever seen anyone turn down the volume and ask “How old is that person singing?”

  • Susan Reiter

    A sarcastic boo hoo about the RCA news. Adam will land another and will land on his feet. Can’t wait for Glee no matter how they put him in there. I stopped watching that show a couple of seasons ago but I will be hopping back on the Gleek wagon! I hope it leads Adam to more recognition, perhaps cameos in other shows and – hey – maybe there’s even an Emmy in his future – wouldn’t that be fun : D

  • Not fit to print

    No they aren’t but oftent they are announced as if they were.

  • Not fit to print

    Well this is true but the media seem to be cooperating magnificently. If Adam wasn’t liked and respected they would have made a football out of him. There are still a few columnists left to comment but, by and large, there seems to be a fair bit of good will out there.

    Perez Hilton may yet turn in in a column to satisfy a few passionate non-fans but, hey, that’s showbiz.

  • lizze mcckey

    Just seeing this and I must just say that the general public never had a chance to hear the music since that album was not promoted and the music wasn’t on the radio.
    How then did you know that the general public percepted it differently than the critics? Any other means of gauging this conclusion order than the music being put out there to the public to judge by themselves?

  • lizze mcckey

    I’m sure industry insiders know the strategics of the business. Anything constantly shoved on peoples ears on the radio and through different tv appearances would eventually stick. That is how promo/radio works and how sales=success come by.

  • lizze mcckey

    I personally feel the UK reviews are irrelevant. I would hate someone who doesn’t play me or give my music any chance to review my work because those displayed antecedents of theirs already show bias or a music snob.

  • Not fit to print

    FYI, the metacritic score was 79 prior to the UK release. It was only when they released the cd in the UK that the core slipped to 66 – because 4 major Brit critics gave it a 60 or lower score. The UK music scene is so different from the US.

    Adam only sold 8,000 cds there in the first week. It wasn’t worth the marketing effort. Given what the UK reviews did to his score, the UK release was a total bust.

  • lizze mcckey

    No, it means one album got radio play and promotion = visibility, while the other album got none of that. Nobody can compare the push of FYE to Tresspasing as the difference is crystal clear. Just very few artists hit plat. sale at the lauch of their albums. Every other artist follows the general rule that ‘causal fans make and break artists’ and sell with the more promo/exposure they get.

  • marmom07

    I think that was the point that lovetheusa1776 was trying to make to elliegrll

  • GTFOBigGovt

    I guess musical theater gigs for 16 years doesn’t count as acting. Adam himself states he’s a better singer than actor but if he can’t act he really got OVER for all those years.

  • supersonic

    To be honest, it was a bit of a disappointment for someone who likes Jessica. But that’s often what happens on Glee. Hints are teased about upcoming guests or storylines and only half of what you’d expect shows up onscreen.

    This. That’s why I’ve been saying don’t get too excited because you’re going to end up either disappointed or offended.

  • Liteasy

    Jessica Who???

  • iluvai

    I don’t care what he does. I will be following him. :)

  • iani

    “Adam Lambert and RCA Records are parting ways over creative differences.”

    OK, thank you RCA for the 2 album-supports! Adam now is too busy with different projects that might be helpful for his artist persona in the future than to support an album that might have helped him gain nothing.

  • SteelWauhterz

    With Queen, yes, I would agree. However, I did say as a headliner- consistently…. I love Adam as a performer, but I’m not sure he has the legs for the long run without a few commercial hits to build his audience. That said, there are a truck load of 1,500 seat venues that he could work forever, or go the Taylor Hicks route, and do Vegas.

  • Aaron

    All this is about one thing and one thing only… money. Adam could not sell enough albums to satisfy RCA. Simple as that. Maybe some independent label will pick him up.