Adam Lambert and Clay Aiken Mention in Eminem’s Elevator

Here’s an article about it.
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00029289.html

Oh for God’s sake.

Eminem does this all the time. No surprise here

whatever *rolls eyes* em has gotten so very lame

Oh for God’s sake.

LOL nothing is ever shocking anymore in POP culture…actually, I take that back..I am shocked when I finally find an artist that is talented and doesnt resort to these cheap tactics

Lol, that’s one funny post.

How is it that Eminem is back in the business?

I think it’s sort of amusing that Clay and Adam have been linked. Clay, ugh, but big Lance Bass fan.

bwahaha! Cracks me up. Like Adam says, whatev.

Its just interesting how stuff like this is acceptable, but yet its Adam who’s lewd. Society has stuff all backwards. lol But what Adam says, whatev. Life goes on.

Eminem is trying to get some controversy going so he can top Susan Boyle’s first week record sales. She dethroned him!

Did he just DISS Lambert and Clay? He called them “fakeits”.

He is basically saying that Adam (like Clay) will never sell as many cds has he did, and called them “fake-its”. But it sounds like ‘Fa**ots’.

Yes, it’s fine for Slim Shady to rape people but it’s not alright for Adam to kiss a man. Yep, society is just awright.

lol on fakeits. That’s Eminem who’s the fakeit, as in he’s faking that he has talent.

I don’t get why he has to do stuff like this, although I am reminded of the Fred episode of iCarly when Fred “gets discouraged” and everyone blames iCarly, but at the same time Carly’s web show gains publicity. Although Eminem doesn’t come off as that type.

His voice always grated on me, I have a feeling autotune would make it sound better >_>.

He is basically saying that Adam (like Clay) will never sell as many cds has he did, and called them ‘fake-its’ . But it sounds like ‘Fa**ots’.

It definitely sounds like Fa**ots. The topic wouldn’t be spreading on twitter and the Internet like crazy if it was just fakeits.

I don’t get why he has to do stuff like this, although I am reminded of the Fred episode of iCarly when Fred ‘gets discouraged’  and everyone blames iCarly, but at the same time Carly’s web show gains publicity. Although Eminem doesn’t come off as that type.

I don’t think he would have sold as much as he has during the years if it wasn’t for him starting beef with people and his mini “controversies”. in his case specifically, controversy sells.

He is basically saying that Adam (like Clay) will never sell as many cds has he did, and called them ‘fake-its’ . But it sounds like ‘Fa**ots’

He actually said “faggots” but nice try

I tried to listen, but it was difficult. I don’t get why people like this. The words are too fast to follow. Worst part–he’s an Oscar winner.

suebrody
12/04/2009 at 12:35 am
lol on fakeits. That’s Eminem who’s the fakeit, as in he’s faking that he has talent.

respect your opinion but Eminem is in the top 3 most talented rappers in history and I find his talent hard to deny. JMO

gotta post this again

jambajim

@adamlambert Wow that’s pretty current for Em. Usually he’s like 18 months late w/ his pop culture references. U made him step up his game!

I will take RUN-DMZ over Eminem any day, but that’s just me.

And he did say faggots, not fake-its.

I love jambajim. He is the best tweeter. If you don’t already follow him, you have to. He spent all of Thanksgiving tweeting about food consumption, followed by a six-part series on his cat.

All of which, for me, is more interesting than Eminem. YMMV.

laterz

I don’t think he would have sold as much as he has during the years if it wasn’t for him starting beef with people and his mini ‘controversies’ . in his case specifically, controversy sells.

That’s unfortunate but true. Wish the media were more sensible.

I was waiting for something like this. It’s becoming quite the joke. Put down Eminem all you want, but he sells records. He’ll have a million + listeners’ ears and Adam has his Idol fans. Bad decisions all around.

you guys he called them “faygits” it’s the F word but he said it in a weird way so it can rhyme with the lyrics. Whatevs like Adam said, nothing new to see here. I’m actually extremely amused and beside myself. A diss by Eminem in a song means you’ve made it. The only thing i find offensive here is that he was mentioned in the same breath as Clay Aiken LMFAOOO

skat-girl@allycatlover
12/04/2009 at 12:40 am

suebrody
12/04/2009 at 12:35 am
lol on fakeits. That’s Eminem who’s the fakeit, as in he’s faking that he has talent.

respect your opinion but Eminem is in the top 3 most talented rappers in history and I find his talent hard to deny. JMO

I think he has talent too but not this this is just plan hype and bull shit. Actually beneath his talent and seem desperate.

you guys he called them ‘faygits’  it’s the F word but he said it in a weird way so it can rhyme with the lyrics. Whatevs like Adam said, nothing new to see here. I’m actually extremely amused and beside myself. A diss by Eminem in a song means you’ve made it. The only thing i find offensive here is that he was mentioned in the same breath as Clay Aiken LMFAOOO

Bravo. You nailed it.

ba yee fa realzz.

No he said Fake-its, but he is really meaning fa**ots. Why would Adam be happy that Eminem is rapping that?

Eminem is dissing gay people.

I think Eminem is extremely talented, and I think his Oscar winning song was pretty brilliant. I don’t mind the profanity (as I am a potty mouth myself), and even some of the harsher phrases don’t bug me all that much. I own a bunch of his songs.

BUT – I’m not buying a song about rape, or a song with the word fa**ot in it. Just not gonna happen. So, his new CD may not be for me this time

evanjane
12/04/2009 at 12:44 am

I was waiting for something like this. It’s becoming quite the joke. Put down Eminem all you want, but he sells records. He’ll have a million + listeners’ ears and Adam has his Idol fans. Bad decisions all around.

And you just prove the point that double standards and homophobia is acceptable. Eminem raps about raping women, uses derogatory reference towards gay men and most people thinks its cool because who really cares about the fags or women. Lets see him use racial slurs against black men or the President and he would be called a racist or Treasonous in a second and they would not sell his music. It wouldn’t be cool.

This is the funniest thing I heard all day. A little comic relief from the ABC drudgery. Eminem used to upset me. Now I just laugh at the moron.

What garbage!

Although I LOVE the “Eminem show” man, what a great cd.. with “Superman” Square dance”…etc such a great cd, but the rest is crap.

Eminem is rapping that he will always out sell Adam and Clay.

What is Eminem going to say about SuBo selling more albums than him? Maybe HIS 15 min of fame is coming to a close?!!

Adam tweets: “Oh he says “fake it” my bad”

It’s a good thing Adam tweeted about this early. He does NOT need fans starting a beef with Eminem.

I was waiting for something like this. It’s becoming quite the joke. Put down Eminem all you want, but he sells records. He’ll have a million + listeners’ ears and Adam has his Idol fans. Bad decisions all around.

Odds are Eminem recorded this song long before the AMA’s, so the only thing he’s making fun of Adam for here is the simple fact that he’s gay.

I like Eminem, and unlike a lot of people I think he’s a pretty decent guy. Every time I’ve seen him interviewed, he seems thoughtful and not hateful at all. I get that his songs are real life depictions of his life or necessarily his feelings about people.

But still, there’s really no reason to use that word to refer to a gay man. It’s just not okay.

tinydance
12/04/2009 at 12:57 am

Eminem is rapping that he will always out sell Adam and Clay.

Um ok…. sure that all he is rapping about….. He probably will out sell Kris and Allison too, not to mention probably every single idol but their names seem to be missing in the song….mmmmmmm

I don’t think he would have sold as much as he has during the years if it wasn’t for him starting beef with people and his mini ‘controversies’ . in his case specifically, controversy sells.

I can tell this isn’t a rap-loving forum. LOL. Controversy aside, Eminem is very good at what he does. His raps were standouts on the radio even before people knew much about him.
Anyway, I can only defend his music. For someone so successful..why does he always seem so bitter?

respect your opinion but Eminem is in the top 3 most talented rappers in history and I find his talent hard to deny. JMO

Well, IMO basically only 12yo were buying his cd years ago and now the ones who didn’t grow up (or couldn’t find a good job) did it again. I actually don’t think I know any adult who bought any of his cds ever. I don’t think singing about Britney Spears, his mommy, Jessica Simpson, Chris Kirkpatrick could make somebody talented. He doesn’t even have the balls to rap about Beyonce, Jay-Z, P. Daddy, etc. LMAO So freaking lame.

ScorpioBSB
12/04/2009 at 12:59 am
What is he going to say about SuBo selling more albums than him? Maybe HIS 15 min of fame is coming to a close?!!

please tell me your kidding.If your not yeah he only had the second biggest opening of the year. What a failure.

Um ok’ ¦. sure that all he is rapping about’ ¦..

Well, and the only thing that Clay, Lance and Adam have in common is that they’re 3 openly gay guys.

I actually don’t think I know any adult who bought any of his cds ever.

Well, I’m older than Eminem, so I was an adult when I purchased his music. I’m not the only one either

melirose89
12/04/2009 at 12:45 am
you guys he called them ‘faygits’  it’s the F word but he said it in a weird way so it can rhyme with the lyrics. Whatevs like Adam said, nothing new to see here. I’m actually extremely amused and beside myself. A diss by Eminem in a song means you’ve made it. The only thing i find offensive here is that he was mentioned in the same breath as Clay Aiken LMFAOOO

So does this mean that you think Clay has ‘made it.’ as well, cause you can’t have it both ways. Either it’s a diss against both of them or a statement of their success.

I guess everyone wants a piece of what’s hot…

I can tell this isn’t a rap-loving forum.

I love rap. From all the way back to the Sugar Hill Gang up until now (although there’s some early nineties gansta rap I could really do without). And, I’ve always liked Eminem. Doesn’t mean I can’t agree with his choice here.

Well, I’m older than Eminem, so I was an adult when I purchased his music. I’m not the only one either

Nope, you’re not. I’ve downloaded some of his stuff. I’m a middle-aged fart, and I think he’s mega-talented. His raps are intricate, and beautifully constructed, I can see that even when I’m not crazy about the subject matter.

Not crazy about this song, though.

ba yee fa realzz.

What….I have no idea what you are saying.

So what Lance Bass, Clay Aiken and Adam Lambert have in common is that they are all “faygits?

What the heck is a “faygit”?

You know he meant the other word.

His raps are intricate, and beautifully constructed, I can see that even when I’m not crazy about the subject matter.

All that, and the speed too. I love how quick he is. The pacing gets me every time.

I used to really love Eminem, but I haven’t got into his new music really.

So he said “fake-its” but it was purposely supposed to sound like “f*****?” but it’s not really him, it’s his character, Slim Shady? kind of slick..

Eminem used to be known for his gay-bashing, but ever since his friendship with Elton, I thought it was pretty much over with.. I don’t think Eminem really perpetuates the gay-hating image anymore, but now it’s meant to be Slim?

I didn’t listen to the whole song, other than the “fa****” sound-alike, is it offensive toward Adam? eta: or the gays in gen?

I didn’t listen to the whole song, other than the ‘fa****’  sound-alike, is it offensive toward Adam?

Apparently Adam didn’t think so when he 1st tweeted. Wonder what he thinks that now that he re-listened to the song and he called him “FAKE ITS”.

As in people who ‘fake it’ while singing.

Well, IMO basically only 12yo were buying his cd years ago and now the ones who didn’t grow up (or couldn’t find a good job) did it again. I actually don’t think I know any adult who bought any of his cds ever.

I bought one of his earlier albums when I was a graduate student in my 20s. I had heard Slim Shady and really liked it and then a colleague of mine (who was about 30) played his whole album on a road trip and I loved it. I know a lot of adults in their 20s and 30s who like him. Rap isn’t even my genre of choice but occasionally some artist just manage to appeal to me. Not a big fan of him anymore though. Plus he’s an ass.

I must be an outlier or have just horrible taste in music. In the past two days, I’ve learned that if you like Andrea Bocelli (which I do) you are either a sympathy buyer or not very demanding and if you like Eminem, you have the taste of a 12 year old. LOL. I’m not really offended, I just find some of the comments funny. Thank goodness I don’t like SuBo.

mj
12/04/2009 at 1:08 am

Well, I’m older than Eminem, so I was an adult when I purchased his music. I’m not the only one either

Nope, you’re not. I’ve downloaded some of his stuff. I’m a middle-aged fart, and I think he’s mega-talented. His raps are intricate, and beautifully constructed, I can see that even when I’m not crazy about the subject matter.

Not crazy about this song, though.

I am one of those “more mature” people who bought Eminem and though I don’t like this song some of his earlier stuff was brilliant and he deserved the Oscar. But that does not mean everything he writes is brilliant or even good. This song proves that point.

My mom likes Eminem. Kinda. She obviously doesn’t approve of everything, but he is damn catchy. He is so talented.

but he does write a lot of satirical material, perhaps this is one? You can tell cause he uses a different voice.

I must be an outlier or have just horrible taste in music. In the past two days, I’ve learned that if you like Andrea Bocelli (which I do) you are either a sympathy buyer or not very demanding and if you like Eminem, you have the taste of a 12 year old. LOL. I’m not really offended, I just find some of the comments funny. Thank goodness I don’t like SuBo.

Well, if you liked SuBo, then I would have to make fun of you. (just kidding!). I’m not a Bocelli fan, but I know a few. And, they’re all really great people – so I’m going to assume you’re okay too

phdrmom
12/04/2009 at 1:04 am
melirose89
12/04/2009 at 12:45 am
you guys he called them ‘faygits’  it’s the F word but he said it in a weird way so it can rhyme with the lyrics. Whatevs like Adam said, nothing new to see here. I’m actually extremely amused and beside myself. A diss by Eminem in a song means you’ve made it. The only thing i find offensive here is that he was mentioned in the same breath as Clay Aiken LMFAOOO

So does this mean that you think Clay has ‘made it.’ as well, cause you can’t have it both ways. Either it’s a diss against both of them or a statement of their success.

Why cant you have it both ways? No matter how much I cant stand Clay Aiken, you cant say he wasnt succesful and didn’t make some kind of name for himself or else he wouldnt be mentioned in an Eminem song, let alone have Eminem even know who he is

I’m confused. Adam should be allowed freedom of expression and anyone who disagrees is homophobic. Eminem is not allowed the same freedom of expression because some might disagree with the sentiments he expresses. Double standards. Hypocrisy. As always IMHO.

Love Eminem. This song, however, is not very good. And not because of any Clay or Adam references. It just sucks IMO. He’s better than this in lyrics and flow.

sanduskyday
12/04/2009 at 1:26 am

I’m confused. Adam should be allowed freedom of expression and anyone who disagrees is homophobic. Eminem is not allowed the same freedom of expression because some might disagree with the sentiments he expresses. Double standards. Hypocrisy. As always IMHO.

NO the hypocrisy is Eminem is aloud to have freedom of Expression and Adam is not. If Adam was aloud to do his thing that I would be the first to also say Eminem is aloud to do his. Oh see Double Standard!!!!!!!

I’m confused. Adam should be allowed freedom of expression and anyone who disagrees is homophobic. Eminem is not allowed the same freedom of expression because some might disagree with the sentiments he expresses. Double standards. Hypocrisy. As always IMHO.

Well that’s sort of tricky and an age-old debate, innit? We want freedom of speech.. but we don’t want KKK rallies… People can say whatever they want, but please don’t say the “n”-word, or the “c-word.”

We all have rights… but do we really all have rights?

and psst.. Dhunken… allowed .

Eminem is not allowed the same freedom of expression because some might disagree with the sentiments he expresses. Double standards. Hypocrisy. As always IMHO.

Huh? I don’t recall anyone saying that Eminem shouldn’t be allowed to write, record or release his song. I have no urge to infringe on Eminem’s freedom of expression at all.

I’m confused. Adam should be allowed freedom of expression and anyone who disagrees is homophobic. Eminem is not allowed the same freedom of expression because some might disagree with the sentiments he expresses. Double standards. Hypocrisy. As always IMHO.

Dude…calling a gay guy “faggot” isn’t “freedom of expression”–it’s hate speech, like calling a black person a nigger or calling a Jewish person a kike. Technically that falls under the First Amendment, so technically anyone has the right to use hate speech in most contexts.

But would you call black people hypocrites for wanting freedom of expression for themselves while also getting angry at anyone who calls them niggers?

I must be an outlier or have just horrible taste in music. In the past two days, I’ve learned that if you like Andrea Bocelli (which I do) you are either a sympathy buyer or not very demanding and if you like Eminem, you have the taste of a 12 year old. LOL. I’m not really offended, I just find some of the comments funny. Thank goodness I don’t like SuBo.

Well I think both Eminem and Andrea Bocelli are horribly overrated and I dislike both of them, do I get a non-kettle prize?

Speaking of which…

I’m confused. Adam should be allowed freedom of expression and anyone who disagrees is homophobic. Eminem is not allowed the same freedom of expression because some might disagree with the sentiments he expresses. Double standards. Hypocrisy. As always IMHO.

I know! That’s why Adam was totally dissing on Eminem’s right to make the song and use that word and mention him and how he was asking for Eminem to be censored and cancelled from any future gigs on networks! Totally the same thing is happening to Eminem.

I’m confused. Adam should be allowed freedom of expression and anyone who disagrees is homophobic. Eminem is not allowed the same freedom of expression because some might disagree with the sentiments he expresses. Double standards. Hypocrisy. As always IMHO.

I’m confused too. Using deragatory words such as “fa**ot” should prompt EVERYONE to disagree. He can express until he is blue in the face, but I don’t think the N word or the F word should be used or are necessary to express artistry. Particularly in a time when gay Americans are facing persecution and are not allowed basic human rights. I don’t feel the need to champion Eminem’s cause. Eminem needs to grow up. His rhymes have not evolved whatsoever. Too bad…I remember being amused by him as a teenager. Now that he’s kind of old…his whole schtick is a little creepy.

“Sorry Lance, Mr. Lambert and Aiken ain’t gonna make it. They get so mad, when I call them both fake it’s”

This is a pretty pale attempt at controversy from Eminem, when contrast with what went down at the AMAs. LMAO at supposedly badass edgy rappers getting edged out by a gay guy.

Rock on, Adam. You make all these straight white males seem even more boring than they usually do.

Well that’s sort of tricky and an age-old debate, innit? We want freedom of speech.. but we don’t want KKK rallies’ ¦ People can say whatever they want, but please don’t say the ‘n’ -word, or the ‘c-word.’ 

We all have rights’ ¦ but do we really all have rights?

Since the KKK has been rallying for over a century now, I would say that yes, we do have rights.

Em’s artistic abilities don’t preclude his being a bigot. So he’s gifted? History is rife with gifted individuals whose disturbing personal appetites and/or deep-seated prejudices soured their talent. I actually understand, (and even sympathize a little) with the origins of his misogyny, (at least). Not accept mind you; just understand. But many people have endured poverty and abuse without nursing lifelong hatreds ‘“ and I speak from experience here. We all have our horror stories. Em, unfortunately, clings to his like a drowning man. He’s also an astute opportunist. Look at how he played the whole Bruno controversy some months back. It garnered him instant attention ‘“ as will this swipe at Adam. I do think Adam played it off with the right nonchalance. And Em’s not the only artist likely to piggyback the whole Glambert phenomena. The higher Adam rises, the more attractive his coattails will look. Em’s just one of what will likely be many looking for a mention here and there; publicity being what it is. I must say – I do love how Mariah Carrey got her own back after Em’s try at bashing her last year. That video for ‘Obsessed’….how deliciously appropriate! I knew immediately who the hooded character represented. Clever of her to play the role herself. Em would be hard pressed to claim it was him w/o accepting some responsibility for his obvious Mariah obsession.

It’s really quite simple. Eminem has the right to rap about whatever the hell he wants, and everyone else has the right in this free market society to buy it or not.

and psst.. Dhunken’ ¦ allowed .

Oops Thanks!! Sue me I was typing too fast…

You have to have some level of extreme success in order to have ‘coattails.’ It may happen for Adam but he’s not there yet, even if his ego thinks he is all that!

Oh you can’t even edit.. sorry I thought you could :p

inydance
12/04/2009 at 1:37 am

‘Sorry Lance, Mr. Lambert and Aiken ain’t gonna make it They get so mad, when I call them both fake it’s’ 

You can bold it all you want it not going to change what everyone else is hearing which it close to “Faygits”

ah eminem. i’m always disheartened by his more visible songs like without me, ass like that, we made you….the songs he releases to garner controversy as this slim shady character.

his catalogue is rifed with amazing raps. lose yourself, mockingbird, stan, yellow brick road, we as americans, mosh, white america, cleaning out my closet, sing for the moment.

he still has it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfnmCOUieLw), i’d just wished he’d put it on display more.

You are hysterical. Yes Eminem only choose the 3 gay men to say he was going to sell more then them and that they are Fake its. (which honesty i don’t think is even a real expression in the English language) Yeah ok it was all just about them not being real artist’ ¦.oh wait it is really because the are ‘faygits’ 

Gonna have to agree with Dhunken here. Logic wins in this case. I’m a much bigger fan of Eminem than of Adam.. but clearly he meant it to be “f*****”

but he does write a lot of satirical material, perhaps this is one? You can tell cause he uses a different voice.

He’s playing a character. “Slim Shady” is an alter-ego. And yeah, I think there’s some satire and exaggeration involved here.

I’m a much bigger fan of Eminem than of Adam.. but clearly he meant it to be ‘f*****’ 

Perhaps it’s meant to be interpreted both ways.

phdrmom
12/04/2009 at 1:45 am

You have to have some level of extreme success in order to have ‘coattails.’ It may happen for Adam but he’s not there yet, even if his ego thinks he is all that!

completly agree. I mean if this was released in may and Adam had went double platinum and Eminem didn’t even get “relapse 2″ in the top 5 then it would be valid to say Eminem was riding Adam’s coattails, but it’s only Adam’s second week on the charts and he could (and mostly likely will) tank and be a no hit wonder and relapse 2 could be the biggest album of 2010.

edit: don’t question the motives of posters or put words in their mouths

Seriously, people. Calm down. Deleting OTT comments now.

I’m a much bigger fan of Eminem than of Adam.. but clearly he meant it to be ‘f*****’ 

Perhaps it’s meant to be interpreted both ways.

Or he wanted it to appear as if he meant both ways it order to avoid out right accusations of bigotry and homophobia.

I do have to give him credit for giving the appearance of a double meaning. It is actually brilliant. Except Lance Bass was part of one of the biggest selling boy bands in history. I think he has proven he is an real artist. I could almost agree more if he just mentioned Adam and Clay as they are AI and some folks don’t think anyone from the show is really an Artist just singers from the biggest Karaoke show. The only thing that ties all three is they are GAY!!!

Perhaps it’s meant to be interpreted both ways. — MJ

It was, he’s clever. Sorry for biting back. It felt a bit too personal.

He’s playing a character. ‘Slim Shady’  is an alter-ego. And yeah, I think there’s some satire and exaggeration involved here.

I think you hit it on the head. for me(for you) when I think of “slim shady” or “lady gaga” I see them as character’s that don’t reflect on the actual person. IMO its like an actor portraying a racist but the actor really isn’t.

he’s not calling lance the fake.

Eminem is brilliant

Even if the written lyric is “fake-its” or “fakers”, the people he used for this line were Lance Bass, Clay Aiken and Adam Lambert. Clearly people can see what they have in common, and the use of that phrase with Em’s way of saying it was meant for it to come off as “faggots”.

I loved Eminem’s earlier stuff. Stopped listening to him when The Eminem Show was released. Don’t like any of his new stuff either.

You have to have some level of extreme success in order to have ‘coattails.’ It may happen for Adam but he’s not there yet, even if his ego thinks he is all that!

Then just call it the “coattails of controversy”. Adam’s the controversial newsmaker at the moment. Perhaps Eminem is a tad miffed that his “17 rapes” at the AMAs was upstaged by a mere “fake it”?

When he can’t even get a news release out of the PTC or Liberty Counsel, he must think he’s losing his touch.

I think it’s funny that everyone picks that one line out of a song full of ridiculous lyrics…the next line after “fake it’s” talks about shaking a baby to be quiet…the response to that line is as over the top as an Adam Lambert performance.

Eminem raps in a weird Jamaican accent lately but I have no idea whether “faygits” would fit under that.

I’m not condoning the song. He might be mentioning Lance in the same breath as Adam and Clay because they are all gay, but he is only calling Adam and Clay “fake its”. They BOTH get mad — meaning Adam and Clay. He’s got his ass covered here.

Now that I have listened to the song several times I can’t stop listening to it….:)

Is it Lance BASS he is mentioning?

I think it’s funny that everyone picks that one line out of a song full of ridiculous lyrics’ ¦the next line after ‘fake it’s’  talks about shaking a baby to be quiet’ ¦the response to that line is as over the top as an Adam Lambert performance.

Well, in fairness, that’s the line this post is about. So, that’s pretty much the topic. And, I just don’t think people saying that they don’t enjoy something is all that over the top.

Is it Lance BASS he is mentioning?

Right off the bat, I can’t think of another Lance-the-singer.

tinydance
12/04/2009 at 2:23 am

Is it Lance BASS he is mentioning?

No I guess he could be meaning Lance Armstrong or Lance Kerwin…but none of them are Singers or gay so I think we all are figuring it is Lance Bass but no last name is given….. so silly us for thinking its him…..

I think it’s funny that everyone picks that one line out of a song full of ridiculous lyrics’ ¦the next line after ‘fake it’s’  talks about shaking a baby to be quiet’ ¦the response to that line is as over the top as an Adam Lambert performance.

Well, in fairness, that’s the line this post is about. So, that’s pretty much the topic. And, I just don’t think people saying that they don’t enjoy something is all that over the top.

You have to look at the lines before that to see what he is talking about;

http://www.ieminem.com/news/eminem-%E2%80%93-elevator-lyrics/

You can see the lines before that and how it flows with that line;

There once was a saying that I used to say
Back in the day when I met Dre
I used to sit and goof on the phone with, my friend Proof
That if I went gold, I’d go right through the roof
He said what If you went platinum, I’d just laugh at him
That’s not happening, that I can’t fathom
Eighty something million records worldwide,
Later I’m living in a house with a f+++ing elevator
Sorry Lance, Mr. Lambert and Aiken ain’t gonna make it
They get so mad, when I call them both fake it’s

Ok, just listened to it:
It’s def. “faggots”.

But hey, it’s Eminem, he always writes offensive lyrics like these, hoping to get reactions from people- even here, he says that they’re offended by him calling them faggots… I think Adam’s being pleased by getting a mention in Em’s song means that Adam gets it, and will not be making any fuss.

I only listened to it to hear the Clay and Adamreference, and then a minute later, I had to stop. I used to like Eminem and even have some of his songs, but maybe it’s just me as I’ve gotten older, but it was just too much for me. That said, I don’t what he said about them was as bad it could have been. True, “fake its” is obviously supposed to stand in for the other, more derogatory word but he doesn’t say it. I have been offended when he’s used the f****tt word before (as I am when anyone uses it) but I just can’t work up the energy to be upset when he doesn’t even have the balls (or lack thereof) to actually say the word. I mean, if you’re going to be homophobic, at least own it right?

As Adam said, whatev. Sadly, I think that Eminem time has come and gone. He’s really just a shell of his former self now, and his attempted “diss” on Adam? Puh-lease. I’ve heard better (worse) on some message boards.

Is there a radio and album version of this song? Because that’s what I’m hearing and hence this “fake,” versus the other f*****s word. But I don’t care enough to stay up to listen.

Oh and Adam, after not being upset about it (I KNOW! he totally should have been calling for a banning!) said in Twitter he thought it was “fake its,” and so his bad.

Adam, your hypocrisy sickens me. Sure the might be two different versions, but even if not, there could be one that could possibly be totally offensive and your taking to the warpath, getting personally offended and droning on and on about banning of Eminem is just pathetic.

Meanwhile, don’t care. Hate Eminem and always have, which until now, has had zero to do with Adam. Do I get a cookie? And is it Andrea Bocelli shaped with SuBo icing?

Truthiness, just checking but you’re being sarcastic yes? It’s hard to tell on the internet sometimes.

this song is far from radio friendly…they would have to censor the entire song…this has to be the only version

I find the song clever,

I personally like the part about shaking the baby.

Pure genius-that Eminem.

OK..I wasn’t interested in listening to it after hearing what it was about, but I have to give it to Eminem. That was pretty damn clever. I’m pretty sure he meant for the f— to be have a double meaning though. Anyway, no way is this song making it to radio.

Eminem raps in a weird Jamaican accent lately but I have no idea whether ‘faygits’  would fit under that.

No it doesn’t. I pick up a slight faux Jamiacan accent when he sings but not when he raps. That’s not how Jamaicans pronouce that word. In fact they have far more colorful ways of saying the whole thing.

Whether we find it distasteful will not change the fact that it will soon be out there for public consumption.

Well, I guess the people who really can’t stand Adam will now have a theme song!

I’ve have liked some of Eminem’s stuff in the past and I don’t think anyone can deny his talent. Not a big fan of this song, or the 17 rapes. Like I said in an earlier thread, Eminem needs to sample SuBo’s album and rap “Slim Shady got beat by a Cat Lady.” I think that would be awesome.

This was done before the AMAs? I just find that hard to believe because I would have never thought Adam would have been on Eminem’s radar until the AMA. I think SuBo would have been on his radar more because of the predictions that she would have the #1 album of the year. But who knows, maybe Emimen is a secret Idol watcher. Em, are you here?

TFLS – you said earlier

“I do think Adam played it off with the right nonchalance. And Em’s not the only artist likely to piggyback the whole Glambert phenomena. The higher Adam rises, the more attractive his coattails will look. Em’s just one of what will likely be many looking for a mention here and there; publicity being what it is.”

You’re kidding me right? Adam is still wearing a onesie. He has no coattails. The sooner he (and some of his fans) realizes it, the better off it will be.

LOL

Em is behind the times. He needs to start mentioning SuBo. She DID beat his ass for debut albums. I expect him to rap about cats in his next song.

@lorismile,……………..uhhuh….Smile!!!!

Well I really like Subo,Andrea B, Eminem and Adam. I must not be a legit
person???
E grew up in S*** and it still clings to him like a smelly cloak and he still lives
partially in and out of it. He is a very creative and fab rapper poet. Way back in the day on some of his early stuff he was more explicit re “homosexuals,”…..My People! I loved his movie, and felt I got a sense of him, and I just hope he will continue to evolve, if not in this life,then in the next.
adam’s tweet hit the right note with me, and I don’t feel like a Hypocrite at
all.
For me it’s sad to read people, practically, yelling at each other in print .
Mj has to know she was putting the cats among the pigeons with this one!!! Very entertaining read!!!!

I think you hit it on the head. for me(for you) when I think of ‘slim shady’  or ‘lady gaga’  I see them as character’s that don’t reflect on the actual person. IMO its like an actor portraying a racist but the actor really isn’t.

Yes ITA, just like when Adam is playing a dominatrix character for FYE performance while in RL he’s really not into the S&M kinda things…

Adam, your hypocrisy sickens me. Sure the might be two different versions, but even if not, there could be one that could possibly be totally offensive and your taking to the warpath, getting personally offended and droning on and on about banning of Eminem is just pathetic.

I don’t see how Adam correcting his earlier statement shows hypocrisy but ok…… He didn’t say anything about banning Eminem. I don’t get your comment but ok. lol

Em is behind the times. He needs to start mentioning SuBo. She DID beat his ass for debut albums. I expect him to rap about cats in his next song.

She might be on another song. She is prime meat for him.

Perhaps it’s meant to be interpreted both ways.

Yup. Eminem lives for controversy.

Adam needs to learn to ignore stuff like this and just not comment on it.

” I don’t think anyone can deny his talent. ”

LOL I can. I think he’s a talentless disgusting pig of a man.

He’s really just a shell of his former self now, and his attempted ‘diss’  on Adam? Puh-lease. I’ve heard better (worse) on some message boards.

Albeit a shell who’s going to sell a lot more records than Adam.

I love Eminem. He’s definitely not for anyone but as someone else said, you can’t deny his lyrical talent. (Or I guess you can if you want to, but it leaves you without much credibility in my eyes.) Some of his observations are so sharp, and I admire his wordplay and the way he often rhymes with the middle of words rather than the end. And I admire ideas like this one, where he makes you think he’s insulting them one way (with the gay thing) but his true insult is much truer and therefore more hurtful (that they’re wannabes).

He’s a clever guy.

Fake it’s sure sounds like faggots to me and a lot of people won’t bother to look at the lyrics. It’s Eminem’s intention for the word to sound like faggots. If that’s clever to you well it’s not to those who were insulted.

As far as Eminem acting like a character Slim Shady. I don’t buy it. My husband has been a longtime listener of Eminem and he thinks Eminem is homophobic.

Some of his observations are so sharp, and I admire his wordplay and the way he often rhymes with the middle of words rather than the end. And I admire ideas like this one, where he makes you think he’s insulting them one way (with the gay thing) but his true insult is much truer and therefore more hurtful (that they’re wannabes).

He’s a clever guy.

I’ll definitely grant you the clever thing. I have liked a lot of his stuff, too.

But suppose Eminem (or I) wrote something like this:

Hey, I got nothing against Ruben, Queen Latifah, Jordin Sparks, or even Mandisa.
But I sure do find that when I rap about ‘em I can trigger
A lotta backlash, lotta trash talk from their peeps and their
fan-disas
When I ain’t doing nothin’ but callin’ ‘em exactly what they are — Bigger!

… if Eminem (or I) had time and the inclination, he might be able to craft that into something “clever,” too …. And I get the principle: Hey! You think it’s going to be one insult but then it morphs into an even better insult!

And while I think you can write great, incisive stuff based on that general poetic scheme, I suspect quite a lot of people would think that playing with the N-word like that probably isn’t the most responsible thing for a white guy to be doing in this era when we have a more racially just society than we used to, but hardly a fully racially just one. And when there are still lots of people out there just waiting for an extra excuse to put black people down.

Similarly, I don’t know that it’s really all that responsible for a straight guy with a big following to make the “faggot/fake-it” joke, which *will* play into some fans’ homophobia, and potentially encourage them to look down and pick on gay guys even more. Seems to me that that could just be considered using your lucky position in society — as a straight guy — to use other people’s much less privileged position (which they did not *choose* — and if you doubt that, see Aiken, Clay) to further put them down, in a time when they clearly are greatly discriminated against (for evidence, see the New York State legislators’ anti-gay marriage vote just this week.)

I do strongly defend Eminem’s *right* to say this stuff, by the way. We have, and require, freedom of speech. Artistic license, freedom of political speech (and I would say that this lyric qualifies as both) are cornerstones of out civilization and vital and all that. Absolutely. But I’m not impressed with it, I think it probably is a contribution to further discrimination against gay people, and it makes me completely sure that Eminem is kind of a juvenile homophobe. In other words — I can fully believe he has a right to say it. But that doesn’t mean I respect his putting this one out there to draw public laughter.

(And, last time I looked, Lance Bass had sold quite a few records, too — so what puts him into the same category as Clay and Adam, *except* his sexuality?)

Well now we know Adam is big.

Remembert back them when Emimen in his songs attacked Britney, Christina Aguilera jejej a now Adam

This have been Eminen strategy for years.. So I’m not surprise at all.

(And, last time I looked, Lance Bass had sold quite a few records, too ‘” so what puts him into the same category as Clay and Adam, *except* his sexuality?)

Exactly. Good point.

I have yet to figure out why anybody buys Eminem’s “music” or pays even the slightest attention to him. But there’s no accounting for taste ‘” or the lack of it.

Reminder:

A couple of you are going into moderation. Guess who.

I do not care for Rap, except for one song, Sugar Hill Gang’s ‘Rapper’s Delight’. I just read the lyrics to his song and it is complete trash. He also mentions Amy Winehouse. Whomever commented that he is “a clever guy” is a unclever guy or gal.

Em is behind the times. He needs to start mentioning SuBo. She DID beat his ass for debut albums. I expect him to rap about cats in his next song.

I don’t know. He may be too threatened by Susan. Something tells me they all are!

just like when Adam is playing a dominatrix character for FYE performance

“Dominatrix” referes to a female, doesn’t it? Wouldn’t “master” or “dom” be the male equivalent?

I do not like Rap…I don’t get someone ‘talking’ instead of singing’ a song. And I find alot of the lyrics trash. And Eminem just seems like I guy looking for attention. Just my opinion.

I like Eminem, looooved him in 8 mile
he’s always been like that
I looove Adam, but I’m not going to stop liking Eminem because that’s what he has been always doing – attacking other people, that’s his style
that’s why Adam just laughed at it, hey Eminem is just Eminem

Well I really like Subo,Andrea B, Eminem and Adam. I must not be a legit person???

Of course not! Liking all three makes you a martian, clearly. Because martians have the most varied musical taste ever.

As to the rap… *shrug*. I’ve never got what is so truly “clever” about playground-style disses, and I still don’t, and I don’t take it to mean much more for Adam than it is (which essentially equates to having been visible, as obvious).

Alot of good points being made and I don’t think they are all mutually exclusive, which is why the whole topic of freedom of speech/artistic expression is so complex.

You can be sickened by the use of the word f****t

-while still supporting freedom of expression, while still thinking that some freedom of expression is REALLY irresponsible and hurtful, like perpetuating the idea that homosexual slurs are socially acceptable

-while recognizing that the persona of the more harsh Slim Shady is not necessarily Marshall Mathers/Eminem in the same way that S&;M Den “bear paws raawrr” Mr. Lambert is not the sweet, humble, off stage Adam (and understanding that perhaps some people saw Adam’s sexually charged persona as irresponsible, even though it’s very upsetting that people seem to more offended by sex than violence/hate)

-while still being angered by the double standard that Eminem gets more license and social acceptance to express himself and do his thing than Adam will probably ever get.

I like Eminem, looooved him in 8 mile
he’s always been like that
I looove Adam, but I’m not going to stop liking Eminem because that’s what he has been always doing ‘“ attacking other people, that’s his style
that’s why Adam just laughed at it, hey Eminem is just Eminem

I think that’s true. And it has always been his style and always will be, no doubt.

But my reservation about Eminem and a lot of other people is that, for me, attacking the power*ful* is impressive, not taking cheap shots at those with less power than you…..

Sixth-grade bullies take cheap shots at people weaker themselves on the basis of gayness.

If a wealthy adult wants to do it, he can go right ahead. But I don’t think it reveals any startling, incisive point about society that others have missed (especially when you stick Lance in there, so you’ve lost any point you might have been making about reality-show flash-in-the-pan fame) or shows what a strong, powerful guy he is (and showing that he’s a big strong man and also way insightful seem to me to be what Eminem is usually looking to prove.)

That said, it’s two lines in a kind of meh lyric anyway.

He’s playing a character. ‘Slim Shady’  is an alter-ego. And yeah, I think there’s some satire and exaggeration involved here.

Spewing hatred under the guise that it’s an alter-ego is the cowards way of telling the world what you really think. Eminem IS Slim Shady. The only thing clever about what he does is that he’s made millions by convincing people that his homophobic, mysogonynistic alter-ego is cool to listen to and like.

I still think it’s hilarious that one of Eminem’s most famous feuds was with….Moby. Aint nobody listen to techno. Not sure what I think abut the Adam and Clay thing yet. Anyway, I don’t think people are actually supposed to like the Slim Shady character. Sometimes he’s brilliant. Sometimes he takes it too far just to take it too far.

I do not like Rap’ ¦I don’t get someone ‘talking’ instead of singing’ a song.

I’ve always dug it. It’s like the modern version of beat poetry when it’s done well. For you for me, I’d rather listen to a talented rapper freestyle than a talented singer who lays down three minutes of runs in between like two lines of actual lyrics. That usually bores me.

For you for me, I’d rather listen to a talented rapper freestyle than a talented singer who lays down three minutes of runs in between like two lines of actual lyrics. That usually bores me.

And you’re on an Idol site? I’m suitably impressed with your stamina!

But suppose Eminem (or I) wrote something like this:

Hey, I got nothing against Ruben, Queen Latifah, Jordin Sparks, or even Mandisa.
But I sure do find that when I rap about ‘em I can triggerA lotta backlash, lotta trash talk from their peeps and their
fan-disas
When I ain’t doing nothin’ but callin’ ‘em exactly what they are ‘” Bigger!

Except the trigger word would have to sound just like the word n—-r. Yes, people would be upset.

But I’m not impressed with it, I think it probably is a contribution to further discrimination against gay people, and it makes me completely sure that Eminem is kind of a juvenile homophobe.

ITA!

You can be sickened by the use of the word f****t

-while still supporting freedom of expression, while still thinking that some freedom of expression is REALLY irresponsible and hurtful, like perpetuating the idea that homosexual slurs are socially acceptable

-while recognizing that the the persona of the more harsh Slim Shady is not necessarily Marshall Mathers/Eminem in the same way that S&M Den ‘bear paws rawrr’  Mr. Lambert is not the sweet, humble, off stage Adam (and understanding that perhaps some people saw Adam’s sexually charged persona as irresponsible, even though it’s very upsetting that people seem to more offended by sex than violence/hate)

-while still being angered by the double standard that Emimen gets more license and social acceptance to express himself and do his thing than Adam will probably ever get.

Sums it up perfectly, I’d say!

While it may be true that Slim Shady is a character like Lady GaGa or Adam’s S&M bravado, he is a very dangerous and unhealthy one.

Unlike Lady GaGa or Adam, Slim Shady is actually degrading people. His music is used as an anthem by hordes of ignorant masses who see it as all too real. I’ve seen skin heads and other white racist groups blast his songs from their car stereos. In my opinion, brilliant as he may be, he belongs in the same category as all the other gansta rap artists who perpetuate hate, misunderstanding and quite possibly, violence.

I think he is smart and talented, but he uses both for his own gain at the expense of society.

LOL, Mark. Crazy, right? I mostly blame David Cook, the writer’s strike, and fascination with knollish reality show machinations. Actually, I love music in general. Oversinging not so much.

I don’t think Eminem is dangerous or unhealthy to society, really. Sometimes he becomes a parody of himself and that’s lame, but the best of his work is kinda like the rap equivalent of Artaud’s theater of cruelty. Sometimes words and art in general can act as this disturbing ripping away of society’s polite illusions to confront an unpleasant truth.

LOL, Mark. Crazy, right? I mostly blame David Cook, the writer’s strike, and fascination with knollish reality show machinations. Actually, I love music in general. Oversinging not so much.

I know. I actually happen to agree with you on all points. But it is a rather… amusing note, isn’t it?

Eminem probably just thinks anyone who use American Idol to make it is a fake it and is homophobic and a woman hater. It’s too early too tell if Clay or Adam although highly unlikely might outsell him yet. Adam needs to focus on the music instead of all the bashings he’s been getting of late. It has to be pretty hard to deal with the overnight fame that the idols have to deal with.

How many times do we have to hear about his mother, his daughter, his ex and Dre before people STOP calling Eminem a “genius.” It is the same shit over and over again for the last 10 years.
Hate mongering is not okay in any medium. Just like we shouldn’t tolerate the use of words like “retard” and the N word…we just shouldn’t support the usage of Fa**ot. Oh…I’m sorry…I mean Fake-it. I think he should be ABLE to do it…but I don’t think that producers, radio companies, studios, fans or anyone else should offer it any support. If he wants to stand on a milk crate outside of Walmart and go nuts thats fine. I’m a Target shopper anyway.

Eminem is a piece of crap who does nothing but bash people in his music. He thinks he’s this big bad ass which I think is hilarious. Can’t stand him or his stupid music.

Sometimes words and art in general can act as this disturbing ripping away of society’s polite illusions to confront an unpleasant truth.

Yep. At times, certainly.

But when his “unpleasant truth” is that “these three guys are gay and I think they’re all big failures and phonies, haha!” (and one of the guys is Lance Bass who has been, like, a pretty hot music seller and only two of the three are potentially “fake” stars because they come from reality tv), then I think that what he’s actually doing is more like pointing to a “pleasant untruth” that plays well with the particular bigotry of at least some members of his hoped-for audience. …

Rather than uncovering “society’s polite illusions” and fighting the entrenched power thereby — which is what edgy art is expected to do — he’s actually just bolstering and pandering to the entrenched homophobic illusion that actually is dominant in our society.

Now, I’m sure that there are people who will say that what he’s bashing is “political correctness” or something.

But all he’s really doing is putting three guys down because, hey, they’re gay, and thus despisable, while he and his fans are not.

Em is behind the times. He needs to start mentioning SuBo. She DID beat his ass for debut albums. I expect him to rap about cats in his next song.

LOL!! I love this!

Oh heck. Eminem is just being Slim Shady. He IS offensive. That’s his gig. When my son went through his rap stage and was idolizing Eminem, I didn’t forbid him to buy his CDs because that’s just not the way my husband and I roll as parents. We’re more into the “don’t make it forbidden fruit, but discuss with him why we find something offensive or why others might find something offensive.” We ended up having a lot of interesting discussions about Eminem.

Truthiness
12/04/2009 at 2:42 am

Is there a radio and album version of this song? Because that’s what I’m hearing and hence this ‘fake,’  versus the other f*****s word. But I don’t care enough to stay up to listen.

Oh and Adam, after not being upset about it (I KNOW! he totally should have been calling for a banning!) said in Twitter he thought it was ‘fake its,’  and so his bad.

Adam, your hypocrisy sickens me. Sure the might be two different versions, but even if not, there could be one that could possibly be totally offensive and your taking to the warpath, getting personally offended and droning on and on about banning of Eminem is just pathetic.

Where and when did Adam Lambert drone on and on about banning of Eminem? Are you referring to his comment that he supports his right to his schtick on um….Ellen I think it was? Link?

And can you spell out the hypocrisy specifically?

I freakin love Eminem — although he hasn’t been the same since The Marshall Mathers LP…my all-time favorite album EVER.

This song….it’s alright. Reminds me of the other debut, pop culture tracks from his previous albums (like “The Real Slim Shady,” Without Me,” “Just Lose It,” and “We Made You”).

I haven’t read this whole thread – and I didn’t listen to the whole Eminem rap. As soon as I heard him “rapping” about shaking a baby – I shut that shit off, artistic license my ass! What an asshole.

Sometimes words and art in general can act as this disturbing ripping away of society’s polite illusions to confront an unpleasant truth.

^^ I don’t know who wrote that. Does the sentiment apply to Adam Lambert’s AMA performance?

ive often thought most of Em’s critical acclaim comes from the fact that he’s white. shocking, right? white man performs usually what is a black man’s music, and gets treated like the second coming of Christ in the entertainment world. shades of Elvis. most of the credit should be given to Dre for being an great producer. and although I do like some of Em’s songs, i think he tries so hard to be “cool and different” that he comes across as a parody of himself. too bad, bc the real Em seems to be a decent guy…..he tried to have Taylor Swift come out to re-do her speech during his acceptance but show producers thought Beyonce’s invite was more appropriate.

btw, i take 50, Nas(!!), JayZ, DMX and Tupac (!!!!!!) anyday over Em.

Trash is as trash does.

Are people actually with a straight face claiming he said “fake”. And that there are possibly two versions?

LMFAO. He’s saying fake-its as in fag-its.

[As in If You Seek Amy]

People will go to any length to be disingenuous or suspend disbelief.

Eminem was fresh and amusing 10 years ago but I see he’s still doing the same schtick as at least one other mentioned. He’s tired and washed up. Can’t he do any better than this? It’s pitiful. Even more so that until SuBo it was the top selling album of the year. Wow, what does *that* say about the taste level 600,000 music buyers have?

I didn’t hear Aiken mentioned, just L*mb*rt and Lance Bass.

Unlike a few, I don’t object to the term faggot (at least one gay friend greets us with “fags” in fact). I find many gays don’t feel passionately about it and only the chest thumpers are on par with blacks going on about the N-word when used by non-blacks. I prefer “queer” or even “fag” to “gay” because, to many and several friends, “gay” denotes a particular mind-set and culture to in which we don’t feel welcome nor a part.

What does irritate me is a double-standard. I was the lone non-black helping a grandmother move her and her 5 grandkids. Her sons were all “nigga,” “nigga,” “nigga” with each other, even talking about who the “overseer” would be–a clear reference to slavery.

If it’d been up to me they’d have been smacked upside the head. They didn’t do it when she was in earshot so they knew it wasn’t appropriate. Part of me has always wondered if they over used it because I was there.

Unlike Lady GaGa or Adam, Slim Shady is actually degrading people. His music is used as an anthem by hordes of ignorant masses who see it as all too real.

Generalize much?

If you had heard all of Eminem’s music instead of the few so-called ‘shocking’ tracks, you might feel differently. Some of his songs have positive messages, some are very moving, some are crass. Then again, I’m probably just an ignorant mass

As for him having it easier than Adam – anyone saying that just doesn’t know Em’s history with the FCC and the media. We’re all entitled to our own opinion but not our own facts.