Weekend Countdown Shows – 10/09/10

Every weekend, there are countless countdown shows. VH1’s top 20 videos. Ryan’s American Top 40. Rick Dee’s Weekly Top 40 and many more. If you find an Idol on one of these shows, please post it here!

This is the general numbers thread for the weekend. So, if you find some cool numbers, this is the thread for posting them.

VH1 Top Twenty Countdown for October 9, 2010 (thanks wordnerdarchie)

03 Daughtry “September” [11|1(1x)] [-2]

Countdown Contenders:
21 Fantasia “Bittersweet”


AMERICAN TOP 40 – OCTOBER 9, 2010

LW TW WKS Artist – Title
Extra: Daughtry – September
17 17 (11) Adam Lambert – If I Had You


GAC Top 20 Country Countdown
(thanks Lucy1234 for the country charts)

Carrie Mama’s Song – #1
Carrie Undo It – #5
Danny I Will Not Say Goodbye – #14

CMT Top 20 Countdown

Carrie Undo It – #5
Carrie Mama’s Song – #15

CMT Pure 12-Pack Countdown

Carrie – Mama’s Song – #4
Danny – I Will Not Say Goodbye – #6

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  1. GAC Top 20 Country Countdown

    Carrie Mama’s Song – #1
    Carrie Undo It – #5
    Danny I Will Not Say Goodbye – #14

    CMT Top 20 Countdown

    Carrie Undo It – #5
    Carrie Mama’s Song – #15

    CMT Pure 12-Pack Countdown

    Carrie – Mama’s Song – #4
    Danny – I Will Not Say Goodbye – #6

  2. Yo, Jive! Maybe you should have made Falling Stars Archie’s new single???

    iTunes (I’m being lazy, so am just listing the highest charting song for each person — so don’t panic, other songs by these guys are still charting :))

    #46 – IIHY
    #64 – September
    #128 – Mama’s Song
    #270 – Falling Stars
    #622 – I Need to Know
    #857 – Bittersweet

  3. POP (below #50)

    Looks like they may have waited too long to get Anoop an official add date for his song (it’s official add date is 10/26, I think)

    79 76 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat Monahan 123 119 4 0.514
    76 78 DAVID ARCHULETA Something ‘Bout Love 117 148 -31 0.374
    109 97 DAVID ARCHULETA Elevator 61 50 11 0.148
    132 136 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 29 30 -1 0.256
    144 166 ANOOP DESAI All Is Fair (Crazy Love) 14 23 -9 0.019

  4. Not optimistic that Anoop’s song will get much airplay. When was the last time an indie release by a new artist get much radio play?

    Got to give Anoop a lot of credit for putting together a pretty good album, a club tour, professional website, merchandise program, overall really doing one of the best indie post-Idol launches I’ve ever seen.

    Anoop may not make it as a recording artist but I really admire the disciplined, business-oriented approach he’s taken. And it might provide a model for some other Idol alums who did well on Idol but did not get or lost their major record deals. Particularly people who are younger and has acts that fit the club circuit. (Country, rock, singer-writers mostly).

  5. I thought Brooke White had done pretty decently with her indie stuff, including some radio play?

  6. Not optimistic that Anoop’s song will get much airplay. When was the last time an indie release by a new artist get much radio play?

    Well, around these parts we like to quote Elliott whose independently released “Wait For Me” went to number 3 on Pop.

    It is tough for the indies, though.

  7. Anoop clearly has a plan for his career, and he is doing a good job with setting up the website, providing streams of some of his performances, lining up some decent gigs, etc. But yeah, it is just so hard for indie artists to get radio airplay. I wonder if he has targeted the college radio stations — that could be a good market for him to try and build a bigger fanbase and get his name out there. In the music biz classes I’m taking, I keep hearing that one place A&R reps for big labels really look for new talent is by checking out the college airplay charts and finding out who draw really well when they play college towns.

  8. Got to give Anoop a lot of credit for putting together a pretty good album, a club tour, professional website, merchandise program, overall really doing one of the best indie post-Idol launches I’ve ever seen.

    Anoop may not make it as a recording artist but I really admire the disciplined, business-oriented approach he’s taken

    Anoop really has been working hard to put out his music. I found a little blurb posted about him at HDD. This was posted about a month ago on HDD,but I just found it and I don’t think it was posted here.

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news08216m07

  9. Got to give Anoop a lot of credit for putting together a pretty good album, a club tour, professional website, merchandise program, overall really doing one of the best indie post-Idol launches I’ve ever seen.

    Like Danny said of his former AI roomie:

    “Noopie is one of the smartest people I have known”.

    I think Anoop is pretty intelligent and also seems to be a hard worker.

  10. Kirsten:
    10/09/2010 at 2:40 pm

    Not optimistic that Anoop’s song will get much airplay. When was the last time an indie release by a new artist get much radio play?

    Well, around these parts we like to quote Elliott whose independently released “Wait For Me” went to number 3 on Pop.

    It is tough for the indies, though.

    Elliot was in a different position. The record was technically independent on Hickory Records (purchased by Sony/ATV in 2002, and reactivated to release Elliot’s album). So an independent label owned by Sony Music Entertainment’s publishing division.

    Elliot was signed to Sony/ATV as a songwriter, Sony ATV funded production, Sony/ATV owns the masters but since it was an independently produced album, Elliot got 50% of the profits. (Brilliant deal for both Sony/ATV and Elliot.) This is the deal that everyone from Idol would have loved to have gotten. (Would have been a great place for Crystal!!!)

    The album and “Wait for You” was distributed and promoted by RED which is owned by Sony (SEM Division). They handle about 80 indie label’s marketing — so the production of Elliot’s first album was independent, but the marketing and radio promo was not done independently — that was Sony Music Entertainment. So, while technical independent — the radio promo was not done without support from a major label company.

    More info on the Elliot-Sony relationship: http://books.google.com/books?id=ozvP2key3UMC&pg=PT12&lpg=PT12&dq=hickory+records+purchased+by+sony&source=bl&ots=_sQgGLFcPT&sig=mPuCCP0QS9sTIAtw8bmrIxy7qEM&hl=en&ei=K8ewTJGjKISBlAfvlsGxCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    RED, a division of Sony Music Entertainment and headquartered in New York City, is widely recognized as the industry leader in music distribution and artist development. RED specializes in Sales, Marketing, Radio Promotion, and Product Development for more than 60 independent record labels.
    Link: http://www.redmusic.com/?page_id=275

    As far as I can tell, Anoop is only working with a small, independent PR firm. The label is Anoop and his manager. Very, very different situation.

    For a pure indie effort, I think Brooke White may have been the most successful Idol alum — she charted at #47 on the BB Digital Sales chart and got some airplay. The week the song charted #47 was the week she performed it on Idol — helps having Randy as Exec. Producer.

    I wonder if he has targeted the college radio stations — that could be a good market for him to try and build a bigger fanbase and get his name out there.

    It seems like he has targeted college towns for his tour, so I bet they have targeted college radio stations. Like his approach, but having listened to his EP, doubt it will go very far.

    ETA: I must once again say — I really admire the professionalism and savvy that Anoop has shown. Think he might have a great future on the management/marketing/promo side of the biz. Best I have seen from Idol, excluding David Cook and Adam. And that is a huge compliment because I think that Cook and Adam are both about as good as any pop-rock artists get at promo, PR, branding and positioning.

  11. I think that Cook and Adam are both about as good as any pop-rock artists get at promo, PR, branding and positioning.

    Well Cook and Adam both have RCA and 19 doing their promo, PR etc. for them. So their label/management gets some credit. I think there are quite a few artists who are as good or better at promo than either of them. Not quite sure what a pop-rock artist is though? Someone like Dave Matthews?

  12. I always thought Brooke did really well for an DIY type project. Isn’t she part owner of her label? I may be mistaken about that part, my memory is fuzzy on her. But she wrote most of that album and although she sold a small amount, it should have been enough for her to make a nice little bit of change… do some shows, make some personal appearances… so I think she made out fine.

    Not quite sure what a pop-rock artist is though? Someone like Dave Matthews?

    That term is so ambiguous to me. It always depends on who you ask. LOL. I would think of Dave Matthews as a rock band, and if I had to put them in a subset of rock I’d say jam band. But that’s just me.

    I always think of pop-rockers as people who are clearly trying to write catchy pop songs with rock twists. If you are writing rock songs with an eye on mass market acceptance, then I think of you as a pop rocker. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. :D

  13. I was remembering seeing a number like Brooke selling 20,000-30,000 copies of her indie CD.

    Her wikipedia page says US sales: 31,500, so that tracks. Not huge by some standards, but there are plenty of people these days who’d love to see that. And doing it herself, hopefully she got to see some profits out of it.

    Wiki also has her single “Radio Radio” going to #29 on HAC, and has the album at #50 on BBD, and #7 on a US indie chart.

  14. AT 40 (HAC)

    LW TW Wks Artist – Title
    01 01 (12) Maroon 5 – Misery (2nd week at #1)
    02 02 (21) Train – If It’s Love
    04 03 (15) Daughtry – September

    20 21 (32) Adam Lambert – Whataya Want From Me
    24 22 (05) Adam Lambert – If I Had You

    28 29 (47) Kris Allen – Live Like We’re Dying

    36 36 (44) Daughtry – Life After You

    LLWD just has 5 weeks to go before it will have been on the chart for a full year, LAY has 8 weeks to go to make it. TT dropped off this chart last week, btw.

  15. Well Cook and Adam both have RCA and 19 doing their promo, PR etc. for them. So their label/management gets some credit. I think there are quite a few artists who are as good or better at promo than either of them. Not quite sure what a pop-rock artist is though? Someone like Dave Matthews?

    I just used pop-rock to span pop, rock and pop-rock crossover artists. It is a common term. It even has a Wiki page – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_rock

    I agree Cook and Adam are not the best, but I believe exactly what I wrote that “Cook and Adam are both about as good as any pop-rock artists get at promo, PR, branding and positioning.”

    An artist’s label and management can give an artist opportunities — what you do with those opportunities makes all the difference. Idol winners and the major almost winners get put into situations that test their personal PR ability early in their careers in a way that other popular artists are usually not tested. Cook and Adam stand out to me — because of their focus and their ability to communicate. There is no chance that either Cook or Adam can consistently do the high-level interviews they do because of the wizardry of 19M.

    Cook stands out to me as a communicator. He is masterful in an interview. He showed how adept he was with press management when the whole Kris vs. Adam stuff was going on. That was not 19M or RCA, that was David in front of the camera during Idol AI8 pre-final press. He is intelligent, witty, and knows to how to communicate clearly and effectively. He rarely misspeaks and he is rarely boring. And he does an excellent job of presenting himself live in concert. Since his personal brand is what is technically classified as an anti-brand, hard to evaluate it. But Cook is respected by marketers because of his believable, intelligent image. He has credibility — rare to find this in popular music.

    Adam is completely in control of his image and his brand. None of Adam’s brand was built by 19 or Sony — you can see all the elements of it before he even auditioned for Idol. He personally approves all of his merchandise, has complete control of his show, selected the photos for his album and album booklet, has final approval on all the concert promotion, had final edit approval on at least the last music video, etc. For example, according to RCA Ed from AO.com, the VEVO video and the possible GNT DVD will only be released “subject to Adam’s exactly approval.”

    Adam is also a very effective communicator. He has managed to handle some of the most tricky PR situations any popular artist has ever been confronted with. Look at his response for the calls for him to get actively involved in the DADT vote like Lady Gaga had done. Adam responded on Twitter — which he completely controls with an effective statement that 1,000 PR experts could not improve on…

    On Tuesday 21st September 2010, @adamlambert said:

    Question: Is visibility a form of advocacy? Is being un apologetic enough of a statement on it’s own or does one have to wave a banner or stand on a soapbox to make a difference? Isn’t being proud of who and what you are leading by example? :) just wondering…


    In any case, my original point was to compliment Anoop — not to discuss Cook and Adam. So to bring it back to Anoop — he has chosen a very hard course and the odds are against him, but he has done a really professional job so far.

  16. Wiki also has her single “Radio Radio” going to #29 on HAC, and has the album at #50 on BBD, and #7 on a US indie chart.

    Brooke did well for an album released on her own indie label.

    Brook charted on the AC charts with “Radio Radio” — it got a total of 13 AC adds and 12 HAC adds. I know it made the AC Top 40 — but I do not think it made the Top 30. Here is the AC Top 30 for the week ending 7/3/10 and it is not there: http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ac&action=display&thread=86862

    Billboard site says the album ‘High Hopes and Heartbreaks’ has never charted. http://www.billboard.com/charts#/album/brooke-white/high-hopes-and-heartbreaks/1268049 (But sometimes their database is messed up.)

    Here is the album sales total for 2009 — 15. Brooke White, High Hopes and Heartbreak (07/21/09; 29,000)

    Link: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2010/01/the-best-selling-idol-albums-from-2009/1

  17. Elliot was in a different position. The record was technically independent on Hickory Records (purchased by Sony/ATV in 2002, and reactivated to release Elliot’s album). So an independent label owned by Sony Music Entertainment’s publishing division.

    Yes, but you asked about an Indie who made it big in Pop. Elliott did.

    There are several shades of Indie. There are all sorts of special deals that get made. Indies who don’t get a distribution deal don’t tend to do well because they can’t even get in the door of the record store (or only a few local local stores). People debate the true definition of Indie, but the generally accepted definition is a label that doesn’t own it’s own distribution channels. The Major labels are Sony, Warner, EMI and Universal. Even Disney qualifies as an Indie since it distributes its albums through a variety of the Major labels’ distribution channels.

    So, if you aren’t satisfied with Elliott’s success, may I offer Miley Cyrus, Plain White T’s and the Jonas Brothers. They are all on an indie label (technically).

    Travie McCoy is on Fueled by Ramin and his Billionare had a lot of success this summer. As far as I can tell, FbR is an Indie (it’s not owned by any of the majors and it’s distributed by Atlantic (Warner’s distribution arm)).

    Anoop does have a very tough row to hoe. What he’s doing is laying the ground work that most artists have to. They record their music. They get it out there any way they can. They hope that somebody with some bucks to promote them properly comes along. Idol did not punch his ticket to the big leagues, but that doesn’t mean he has to give up on his dreams. There are other routes to success in the music business. And even if he doesn’t become the next Lady Gaga, he can still make a career doing what he enjoys.

    Jennifer Hudson went out 7nth. She had to work the cruise ships. She had to keep working it. Eventually, she got her big break. It can happen for others too.

  18. So, if you aren’t satisfied with Elliott’s success, may I offer Miley Cyrus, Plain White T’s and the Jonas Brothers. They are all on an indie label (technically).

    I am satisfied with Elliott’s success — just don’t consider his record independently promoted — because Sony promoted it. And do not believe that Elliott’s situation with a song debuted on KIIS FM is comparable to Anoop who has no radio station adds and no promo support.

    There used to be a black and white world — major labels owned their own distribution channels, independents did not. But now there are a dual-release agreements, international licensing deals, distribution deal, and all of the major labels have acquired independent labels. To make things even grayer — the major labels are now using independent distribution and promotion companies to cut costs.

    None of the artists listed above are independent of the majors. Hollywood is an independent label because Sony does their distribution, but it is owned by Disney, the world’s largest entertainment company (in annual revenue).

    Jonas Brothers, first album was Columbia, last three albums were Hollywood (Disney, since 2005 distributed by Sony)

    Miley – Hollywood, distributed by Sony

    Plain White T’s – Hollywood/Fearless,, distributed by Sony

    Travie McCoy – FbR is owned by Atlantic Records Group (Warners). Billionaire was distributed and promoted to radio by the ARG.

    Anoop EP is technically self-published. He has no association with any distribution or promotion deal. Very different situation.

    Can others Idol alums be successful even if they don’t get a major label deal immediately after Idol? Sure. But not by having one of countless self-published record releases. Dual release agreement with a distribution and marketing deal — might have a shot — but even that is a hard path.

    Michael Sarver put out an independent album but has a distribution and marketing deal with Fontana (Universal) and he has been somewhat successful — his album was #58 on the Country chart. Perhaps his new Christmas album will do better.

    Finally, I agree with you that Jennifer Hudson offers an example on one path to success — she ended her Idol Tour in October 2004 and did not have a record deal. She took a different path. She auditioned for everything she could find — and 13 months later she landed the role in Dreamgirls. Anoop might be well served to try a different route.

  19. Some sales info from Australia:
    http://www.ariacharts.com.au/index.htm

    Singles:
    24 25 16 4 IF I HAD YOU Adam Lambert RCA/SME
    * 49 – NEW 49 FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT Adam Lambert RCA/SME

    70 61 ADAM LAMBERT – Whataya Want From Me

    – Adam Lambert is looking to make it a hat-trick of hits, ‘For Your Entertainment’ enters at #49 and should hit the top 40 next week

    Single sale numbers from UKMIX forum:
    Adam Lambert – Whataya Want From Me: 128 717
    Adam Lambert – If I Had You: 116 886

    Album:
    * 12 23 24 12 FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT Adam Lambert RCA/SME

    Adam Lambert reaches a new peak at #12 as his album was repackaged last week.

  20. Michael Sarver put out an independent album but has a distribution and marketing deal with Fontana (Universal) and he has been somewhat successful — his album was #58 on the Country chart. Perhaps his new Christmas album will do better.

    He made a blip on the chart briefly, but I don’t know that you can say Michael’s album was successful when he’s sold maybe 1000-2000 copies total to date? I want to say Scott McIntyre actually did a little better than that with his album earlier in the year, though I can’t recall the figures.

    And still confused why they never even attempted to put Sarver’s single up for adds when he was getting a little promo in Nashville, it had been sent out for preview downloads to radio, and they did manage to get his video played on GAC and CMT. Weird, especially after he immediately went to the Christmas album which he didn’t describe as very country in style. Maybe they had indicators from the preview that the single wasn’t going to do well. But why not at least try it when they were that far along, maybe he would have gotten at least some regional airplay near his home turf.

  21. I am satisfied with Elliott’s success — just don’t consider his record independently promoted — because Sony promoted it.

    Yes, we know all that, but this is what you asked:

    When was the last time an indie release by a new artist get much radio play?

    And that is what I answered. Indie is a very broad term refering to all labels without a distribution channel (even if they are a big company themselves). Next time ask “When was the last time some new artist self-published his own song, got no distribution deal and no support from any label and got much radio play?” if that’s the question you want to ask.

  22. SUNDAY CHARTS

    POP (below #50)

    well, this is depressing :( One reason why I hope AWM gets released soon — I really think it will easily outperform all these songs on CHR. And of course I’m interested to hear Lee’s single & see if it has any CHR potential, or will be more a straight Hot AC type song…

    73 78 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat Monahan 120 121 -1 0.5
    72 79 DAVID ARCHULETA Something ‘Bout Love 109 141 -32 0.338
    99 97 DAVID ARCHULETA Elevator 60 54 6 0.144
    129 129 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 30 29 1 0.26
    140 169 ANOOP DESAI All Is Fair (Crazy Love) 14 22 -8 0.02

    PS – anyone have access to the Hot AC chart below the Top 40? I’m wondering how Elevator is doing in that format. Thanks in advance

  23. Miley Cyrus’ next single is a cover of Poison’s Every Rose Has Its Thorn? Seriously????

  24. Mumford & Sons have the #4 album on Billboard’s Independent Albums chart. It is currently #25 on the Billboard Top 200 (and was as high as #16).

    Arcade Fire’s new album is also listed on Billboard’s Independent Albums chart.

    Rehab, by LeCrae, is the #1 album on the Billboard Independent Albums chart. It’s also the #1 Christian, the #1 Gospel and the #5 rap album.

    Are any of these groups considered true independent artists, or do they all have major distribution and/or promotion behind them?

  25. Sunday iTunes

    #39 – IIHY
    #58 – September
    #120 – Mama’s Song
    #145 – Undo It
    #234 – WWFM
    #364 – Falling Stars
    #369 – SBL
    #685 – LLWD
    #937 – Bittersweet

    has Fantasia officially released her next single yet?

  26. has Fantasia officially released her next single yet?

    Yes. I read that Fantasia’s single “I’m Doin Me” impacted radio on September 20 (Urban- Mainstream) and September 20 (Urban-AC) I saw that has gotten 38 adds so far on Urban-Mainstream and 28 adds so far in the Urban-AC format. She’s currently in the Top 20 on Urban-AC and currently in Top 40 on the Urban chart.

  27. Anoop might be well served to try a different route.

    I find this insulting to Anoop.

    He has every right to try to pursue his career in the way that best suits him at this time. Obviously, he may change course. But for now, he’s going about things in a strong, focused matter. I think his debut song is good. He’s put together a good game plan and he’s working hard.

    If it doesn’t work out for Anoop on this level, fine. He can do like any other singer and go another way. But give the guy a chance. Don’t say he needs to go another direction right now.

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