Kris Allen – Live Like We’re Dying – Now Available on iTunes!

Kris Allen’s new single, “Live Like We’re Dying” was released on iTunes tonight.

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Yes, it’s unusual for a single to drop on a Friday.   Most singles and album are released on Tuesday.   19 may be a little nervous about pirating, since the song has been streaming on Clear Channel radio station sites since Monday.

The Friday release date does wreck havoc with Kris’s 1st week chart numbers–the Soundscan Niesen tracking runs from Sunday to Sunday.

But who cares!   Kris’s single is available! Yippee!

Download “Live Like We’re Dying” here:

Kris’s new album will be available everywhere on November 17.

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451 Comments

  1. Let me just say this….Arkansas could NOT be prouder than right this moment. It’s inspiring to watch such a good guy’s dreams come true. Especially one who is so darn cute and so talented.

  2. YAY! Off I go through MJs link to buy it — I’ve had it stuck in my head for the past day or so, now I can actually listen to it for real, heh. Good luck, Kris! I really am wishing him well, I hope this song does very well for him.

  3. I cant find it on canadian itunes
    hrmph
    *searches some more*
    OOH mj has a link up *goes there*
    ETA: I clicked on the link and it’s unavailable in Canada right now.

  4. The Itunes version sounds much much better then the previous releases I have heard. Cleaner and smoother.

  5. So. Totally. Excited. Just bought it (through MJ’s link!!). He sounds GREAT! I’m busting with pride for him.

    The download sounds so much better than the YouTube.

    ETA: YAAAAAYYYYY KRIS!!! You KILL it BB!!

  6. Not sure if this has been mentioned on another thread, but Kris will be on Seacrest’s Show tomorrow at 7:00 am pacific, I believe. I was surprised to find out that Seacrest’s show is on CT 95.7 @ 12:00 pm – 4:00 pm weekdays. I wonder if it saves the station money, not employing real live DJ’s.

  7. It seems more real now that it’s actually up on iTunes. Just bought it!

    I am still not thrilled about the Friday release date. But at least it ties into the Seacrest show and that will hopefully give him a bounce tomorrow. I guess they could not hold off until next Tuesday because Kris is supposed to head off to London to work on his album.

  8. I don’t know if we get it if we got his i-tune pass. So if we do oh well I’ll have to copies. I used MJ link also. I’M so happy for him What a big time for him.

  9. Hey…do us “iTunes Pass” people have to wait til Tuesday to download it? I saw it was released and thought it would start downloading when I opened my iTunes, and it hasn’t. Tried to “check for downloads,” too.

    ETA: eh, I’m too impatient so I went ahead and got it, via your link MJ (just watch…tomorrow afternoon it will be available to pass-holders)!

  10. YES!!! I’m sooo excited but will wait to get mine till midnight. I am here in Seattle jamming w Brooke white. She is incredible live and is doingost of her album, just finished Use Somebody- just awesome. I tried to vid Hol up my Heart but my iPhone is a fail- I was going to email it to MJ. Michael johns next. GO KRIS!!!!!

  11. congrats to kris!

    is this the first idol single/album cover that is sans face? interesting.

  12. I guess they could not hold off until next Tuesday because Kris is supposed to head off to London to work on his album.

    If he wasn’t going to be available to do Seacrest on Tuesday, that seems like a good enough reason for the Friday release. Seems like that mystery is solved.

  13. Thanks for the info MJ. Already downloaded and listening now like I’m dying :)

  14. Not sure if this has been mentioned on another thread, but Kris will be on Seacrest’s Show tomorrow at 7:00 am pacific, I believe. I was surprised to find out that Seacrest’s show is on CT 95.7 @ 12:00 pm ‘“ 4:00 pm weekdays. I wonder if it saves the station money, not employing real live DJ’s.

    Ick. More and more I am having contempt for Seacrest’s show. I try to listen, but it is INANE. And gee, freakin’ go figure ‘“ the ratings in L.A. are through the roof. Do. Not. Get. Ryan is obnoxious. His callers are, Yipes, Jerry Springer bait and the music is hardcore rap ‘“ WTF?

    And I grew up with that station. I keep it on my FM2 preset and I find it intolerable every time I try to listen. From what I’ve heard, Kris will not be on the playlist. Sheesh, I don’t BEPs would even make the playlist at this point.

  15. YES!!! I’m sooo excited but will wait to get mine till midnight. I am here in Seattle jamming w Brooke white.

    My home town!!! Seattle is …. it just rocks!!!

  16. I guess they could not hold off until next Tuesday because Kris is supposed to head off to London to work on his album.

    you don’t have to be physically in the country to release a single!

    the friday release is still suspicious. i guess they just want an excuse for the mediocre sales.

  17. Guess we don’t get it till next Tuesday. :( But kudos to Kris!!! Hope he gets lots of downloads!

  18. Ick. More and more I am having contempt for Seacrest’s show. I try to listen, but it is INANE. And gee, freakin’ go figure ‘“ the ratings in L.A. are through the roof. Do. Not. Get. Ryan is obnoxious. His callers are, Yipes, Jerry Springer bait and the music is hardcore rap ‘“ WTF?

    And I grew up with that station. I keep it on my FM2 preset and I find it intolerable every time I try to listen. From what I’ve heard, Kris will not be on the playlist. Sheesh, I don’t BEPs would even make the playlist at this point.

    I liked the dude… Now I feel like puke…. no class….Ryan you have been rude and have shot yourself in the foot. I will never forgive you for being mean to Adam…You ridicule someone who might be like you…. whatevs…..I’ll take Adam any day.

  19. you don’t have to be physically in the country to release a single!

    True, but a high-profile interview on the day of release helps boost awareness and sales. I wonder what other press he’s doing tomorrow, if any?

  20. Let it Be now. Omg too many cocktails . Do we get Kris tonight on our iTunes pass or do we have to buy it? Brooke I love you

  21. Got to wait until I get home from work to download it since I don’t have Itunes on my work computer

    From Kris’ @ replies, looks like people are going right to Itunes and buying it…

  22. you don’t have to be physically in the country to release a single!

    I was referring to releasing the single the same day he appears on Seacrest’s radio show. That appears to be the main promotional tie-in to the single release on iTunes and Amazon. But I hope Jive has some other things set up as well.

  23. Kris has 105,010 followling him right know. When I checked earlier he was under 105,000. I like this single alot and it does sound better when you get it throw i-tunes.

  24. I cant find it on canadian itunes
    hrmph
    *searches some more*
    OOH mj has a link up *goes there*
    ETA: I clicked on the link and it’s unavailable in Canada right now.

    I’m in Canada as well and could change for the US store and see the single. Got to buy it tomorrow though because i got to change credit card info before and it’s getting late…

    yeah tomorrow LLWD will be mine!! :)

  25. If you bought the Ipass, might want to double check to see if it includes the single — or just the album…I have the iPass and I can’t remember…got to look it up when I get home

  26. Got it through MJ’s link, and I’m very excited for Kris! I do think that this song will do well.

  27. For those wanting to benchmark, as of the 12:00am Central feed, LLWD is #265 at iTunes (overall).

    The Friday release is baffling, but I’m interested in watching how Jive plays this.

  28. girlygirl, you may be right…according to the Pass the album is next (and looks like 10 tracks? IDK, my iTunes is on a portable hard drive and I’ve already unplugged it for the night) and doesn’t indicate a single. I remember when I bought “Light On” last year I wound up with two copies: the single and the album version. So the single may not be included; after all pass DIDN’T say explicitly that you would get the single, just the album and extras from the tour.

  29. They just put ten tracks on there by default..the iTunes Pass content was decided before the finale.

  30. is this the first idol single/album cover that is sans face? interesting.

    not really sure but i think this is the itune cover and not the album cover, i could be wrong though! i like the cover anyway cos of the colours. its got a cool vibe to it.

    and congrats kris!!! should we start praying it hits #1 download in a few days?????

  31. ^^yeah, I’m hoping the “ten” tracks are just placeholders and that there’s more.

  32. ladymadonna
    For those wanting to benchmark, as of the 12:00am Central feed, LLWD is #265 at iTunes (overall).

    So excited to see it move up the charts! Where do you go to looks at this, you don’t by any chance have a link do you?

  33. So excited to see it move up the charts! Where do you go to looks at this, you don’t by any chance have a link do you?

    Oh yeah. Chart-watching can be addictive, believe me. Here’s a feed for the Top 1000 songs at iTunes. In order to refresh the feed you have to change the number after the “sf=” in the URL string in your browser’s address bar.

  34. MJ – The song is also available on Amazon now as well if you want to add a link!

    Why single is usually dropped on Tuesday? Any benefits?

    New music has always been released on Tuesday. I have no idea when that started or why.

    The reason the Friday release date hurts Kris is because of the charts. I believe the weekly sales/airplay charts end on Sunday. So “Live Like We’re Dying” will only be on sale for 3 days out of the week. All of the other new releases have been available since Tuesday morning.

    It’s going to negatively impact how high the song debuts on the chart and that is why some of his fans (myself included) are not thrilled with the Friday release.

  35. Well night all. I’m going to listen to LLWD one more time and then my bed is calling me. Be back later to listen to Kris on ryan’s radio show.

  36. Yay! I bought my copy! I know it might mess up the first week charts but I’ll take it as a good sign that they’re releasing the single out now instead of just waiting until next Tuesday. I’m looking at the bright side and say that there’s a lot of good buzz with this single and they want to build on that and release the single right away for sale instead of waiting and having more people pirate it. If people aren’t interested, they wouldn’t rush release the single right? =)

  37. Hey, I wake up this morning to Kris on Itunes.

    Congratulations Kris!
    Congratulations Kris fan!

    And happy Friday everybody.

  38. I went to that link for the top 1000 songs on Itunes, and as of 11:06 Pacific time Kris’ single was #218 overall — up from #257 when I first got on at 11:00 pm — so it jumped nearly 40 spots in 6 minutes (if I used the link correctly)

    Oh and just to repeat, this single is NOT included with Kris’ iTunes pass — have to purchase this separately

  39. The reason the Friday release date hurts Kris is because of the charts. I believe the weekly sales/airplay charts end on Sunday. So ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  will only be on sale for 3 days out of the week. All of the other new releases have been available since Tuesday morning.

    It’s going to negatively impact how high the song debuts on the chart and that is why some of his fans (myself included) are not thrilled with the Friday release.

    But he’ll have a two day advantage over those released this upcoming Tuesday…it’s not like his single is suddenly going to be taken off iTunes by the end of the weekend.

  40. Thanks for posting the link MJ. I just downloaded it. I am happy for Kris that his song is finally out. Good luck Kris.

  41. I had a question about the Itunes pass, then realized it didn’t matter cuz I didn’t have it :) No biggie

  42. ladymadonna
    Oh yeah. Chart-watching can be addictive, believe me. Here’s a feed for the Top 1000 songs at iTunes.

    Thanks, ladymadonna! Ooh, this is fun, LOL yet another thing to check obsessively throughout the day.

  43. Re: the chart watching, it is fun (and nerve-wracking for crazy fans like me who care about these guys who are actually nothing to do with me!). It must be wild to be these guys (Kris now, Adam hopefully soon, and Allison soon after) to go to sleep knowing they will need to check and see how their single debuted. Crazy!

  44. For those wanting to benchmark, as of the 12:00am Central feed, LLWD is #265 at iTunes (overall).

    its 225 now….

  45. The Friday release date does wreck havoc with Kris’s 1st week chart numbers’“the Soundscan Niesen tracking runs from Sunday to Sunday.

    If the chart numbers are based on sales from Sunday to Sunday, why are most singles and albums released on a Tuesday, rather than on a Monday, or Sunday for that matter?

  46. Thank you for posting the link MJ! I just bought LLYD and love it. I am very excited that we get it today and we don’t have to wait until Tuesday! & YAY that he will be on Ryan Seacrests show.

  47. It’s Friday.
    It’s payday.
    I get to where jeans to work today.
    I just downloaded Kris Allen’s new song!
    Now if I could just get my kids to have a sleepover at someone elses’s house, this day would truly be perfect!

  48. I can’t edit. Am I not doing something right? I clicked on the edit button, but nothing happened. Anyway, I will wear jeans today. Not where.

  49. why are most singles and albums released on a Tuesday, rather than on a Monday, or Sunday for that matter?

    Mostly, it’s tradition. Partly, it’s because shipping companies don’t typically operate on Sundays so many of the smaller retailers might not have the new product to sell on Monday.

    Sending out the CD earlier cuts into your tweaking time (track listings usually leak about two weeks before the album because they are still making decisions) and leads to more street violations (CDs sold the week prior to their release which messes up your first week numbers).

    Singles are released on Tuesday because albums are, but they can be released whenever (studio versions of Idol performances are released on Thursdays).

  50. I must be looking at a different itunes top songs list. It’s 199 on my itunes.

  51. I must be looking at a different itunes top songs list. It’s 199 on my itunes.

    It may be that your feed hasn’t refreshed. The number that is trending in the “right” direction is usually the more accurate one. Since it hasn’t been at at 139 before, it’s probably more accurate.

    I just checked (since it updates on the hour) and it is now at 119 (you can use ladymadonna’s link and just enter some random number in the limit category to cause a refresh of the feed).

  52. There’s no iTunes in my country and the stores here don’t release singles (just full albums). I’ll have to wait till the album is released here. (Which is usually a few weeks after it releases there in the U.S.). I am totally dying of envy right now…

  53. halfie
    September 25, 2009 at 6:51 am
    Kris Allen’s LLWD Acoustic Cover’ ¦ so soon. That’s a good sign, right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9jP38sYZNU

    That is exceptionally good. I like his version better than Kris’, if I’m being honest.

    Wow. This is really good. It’s what I had imagined– and hoped– Kris would do.

  54. What exactly is the explanation for why those who bought his iTunes Pass aren’t getting the song today?

    iTunes sure doesn’t like to reward loyalty. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve bought a single from a favorite artist only to find out that his/her album was being released the next week or so. You get no credit for the single you already bought. After you’ve paid for both the single and the full album, iTunes will “generously” offer to “complete your album” at a reduced fee. Just what I want: Two copies of the album! It’s rather infuriating.

  55. Why is it $1.29. I thought when the singles first came out they sold for 99 cents for promotional purposes.

  56. That acoustic version is damn good. I got a free version of the song from All Access (thank you). Does anyone see ads for Kris on iTunes. I see a big ad for Jason Castro on the pop page but that’s it.

  57. Wow. This is really good. It’s what I had imagined’“ and hoped’“ Kris would do.

    Well, Kris can definitely do something like it. In a live performance maybe? I’m certainly waiting for that.

  58. Why is it $1.29. I thought when the singles first came out they sold for 99 cents for promotional purposes.

    Older songs are 99 cents. The labels recently renegotiated with iTunes to get the $1.29 for new and popular songs. Really old songs are 69 cents.

  59. Wow. This is really good. It’s what I had imagined’“ and hoped’“ Kris would do.

    This woud be great for Kris to do once the song as is takes off – I don’t think it would have made sense for him to release something like this initially because he’s not only about acoustic – he’s Pop

  60. Glad to see it released, though the timing will skew the ‘debuted at’ chart numbers. Last I checked it was 107 on iTunes.

    I am really not liking the cover art. It looks like a label on a can of generic bug spray. Is this something 19 gave them, or did someone at iTunes throw it together because no art was submitted with the single?

    Now I have to go and update my account at iTunes so I can buy it.

  61. The paid-for version does, I have to say, sound much clearer than the YouTube versions. I would have bought it anyway as a fan, but it’s nice. Also, it looks like it’s almost in the top 100. That would be so nice for him to wake up to on the way to the radio show!

  62. #42 IN THE ITUNES POP CHART!

    Just a suggestion, but since the single is selling well enough to appear on the overall top sellers list at iTunes, I would recommend focusing more on its position there rather than on the Pop chart. The Pop chart is not going to give you much of an idea of how well the single is ultimately going to chart at the end of the sales week, and can be a little misleading because it only tracks a small subset of what’s in the iTunes store.

    When the song breaks the top ten in Pop, however, it’s certainly cause for celebration because it will then be given a prominent listing on the iTunes Pop homepage, which may in turn prompt shoppers browsing in that section of the store to buy it. #1 placement in that section or overall will give him the benefit of the cover-art being displayed, which will further prompt sales.

  63. I am not going to buy the song. The first line only makes me think of the old woman in the bathroom…”I’ve fallen and I can’t get up.” Not being mean, I just can’t believe someone close to Kris (Adam, Katy…anyone) didn’t point this out to him. It also really sounds like the Macarena song…really it does.

  64. Ladymadonna knows what she’s talking about.

    And my iTunes show Kris at 97 so he’s broken into the Top 100. The top 10 songs on iTunes can sell 80K plus but that’s for a full week of sales. And a #1 can be a massive amount. But just looking at the Pop charts can give you false hope for how the song is doing so it’s fun but not too informative.

    My link:
    http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9903441/limit=200/rss.xml

  65. What in the world is up with that single cover? Its about as generic and un-inviting as it gets.

  66. haters..please..leave’ ¦kris..thread..

    It’s not a “Kris thread”, it’s a thread about Kris’ single. I should think anyone who has an opinion on same should be allowed to post it.

    As for me, I like Kris. I like Kris’ single.

    But…

    I also thought of the “fallen and can’t get up” bit AND I agree that the Macarena dance would fit the rhythm perfectly. Try it, you’ll be a believer. Frankly, I’d be shocked if people don’t start doing it during Kris concerts.

  67. Kris is at #96!!!

    I am waiting for it to appear on iTunes homepage.

    How can I listen to Kris’s interview at the time it begins?

    And last year, I bought Cook’s ToML and then it ended up on the album. So that won’t happen this year w/ LLWD? Are we sure? I mean, I don’t mind buying it, but I don’t want it twice, no offense, Kris. ;)

  68. vanjess38 – I posted a link to a feed displaying the top 1000 overall iTunes sellers upthread. But Kris should be in the top 200 for the foreseeable future, so I would just use the top 200 feed that jpfan posted above – it will load faster for you than the top 1000 feed. Remember that you can refresh the RSS feeds manually by adjusting the sf=xxxxxxxxx number in the URL string. You can just change a single digit and it will update the feed to the current date and time. When a song has just been released like LLWD you can refresh often and really see it zipping up the chart.

    Obviously though you guys can track anything you want. Just trying to help give some tips and context. My best advice is to try not to get too hung-up on the numbers – just have fun watching them.

  69. WTF!! iTunes Canada is not carrying LLWD!!! They haven’t had any new AI release since NoBo! I can’t buy Michael Johns stuff either. And the US version of iTunes won’t let me buy it without a US credit card. Does anyone know where I can send a strongly worded email to iTunes Canada or Kris’ record company for that matter?

  70. So that won’t happen this year w/ LLWD? Are we sure? I mean, I don’t mind buying it, but I don’t want it twice, no offense, Kris.

    In my opinion, LLWD will be on his album. It’s being used to promote future sales of his album.

    NB was Kris’s coronation single which might or might not be included on his album. (I would guess that it’s not included, due to poor reception.) TOML was Cook’s coronation single which, I believe, was included on his album because it did so well in sales, and could be helpful in the promotion of his album. His first single release from his album was Light On.

  71. Okay, so I guess I can buy it now, so I won’t have to wait 2 months. ;) Thanks for info, wordnerdarchie.

    If you go to Ryan Seacrest, you can find the radio station that will stream his program. Right now, we’ve got Matty in the Morning on Kiss 108 in Boston. Since I HATE Kiss 108, I will wait till 10am. Heh.

    The acoustic version is really pretty. :) (I would actually rather buy that one…guess I will just need to hear it on youtube.

    I guess this will be the thread of the day!!!

  72. How can I listen to Kris’s interview at the time it begins?

    At the top of the kiisfm page (www.kiisfm.com), click on the “listen live” They just played a clip of the song, talking about Kris on in a bit.

  73. I am not going to buy the song. The first line only makes me think of the old woman in the bathroom’ ¦’ I’ve fallen and I can’t get up.’  Not being mean, I just can’t believe someone close to Kris (Adam, Katy’ ¦anyone) didn’t point this out to him.

    Makes it hard to buy a lot of love songs then. Think how many have a theme like “I’ve *fallen* for you… and I just can’t get over it!” … Ah, the treacheries of inadvertent quotation, lol.

  74. From RyanSeacrest.com:

    American Idol’s Season 8 champ Kris Allen released the first single from his debut album today, and it’s a remake. Originally recorded by the UK group The Script, “Live Like We’re Dying” was not a hit the first time around, but now that Mr. Allen has gotten his hands on it, all signs point to it being a hit. I’m a little disappointed that he decided to go with a remake as his first “real” release (not counting “No Boundaries”), but it’s such an obscure song that I doubt many people have heard it before. And besides, Kris’s rat-a-tat delivery of the positive, uplifting lyrics makes it hard to resist his charms.

    What do you think? Will Top 40 radio embrace Kris Allen? Or will this sell a lot for a few weeks and then quickly disappear? Sound off below!

    Ryan didn’t write that, btw. There’s a poll there and “Love It!” is leading with 70% of the vote!

    ETA: The Script never released it as a single, so he’s misleading people there.

    ETA: They’re linking to this blog entry on the home page, that’s how I found it.

    http://www.ryanseacrest.com/blog/new-music/kris-allen-live-like-were-dying/#Comments

  75. Ryan: Kris Allen is going to be here…
    When he gets here in a minute, let’s bring him in.

    COMING…

  76. And while we’re talking chart-tracking tools, here’s a link to the Mediabase QuickCut report for LLWD. This will allow you to track the number of spins the song has received across all formats on a rolling 7-day basis. So far this week, the single has received a cumulative total of 90 spins (4 on Adult Contemporary, 38 on Hot Adult Contemporary, 46 on Pop, and 2 on Rhythmic). Monitored spins detected from Monday-Sunday is what determines published chart position on the various airplay charts.

    The Audience Impression (AI) number is displayed in millions. The is the estimated number of listeners who heard the song based on what station played it and during what time of day. This number, not spins, represents the airplay portion of the calculation for the Billboard Hot 100 chart.

    And here’s the Mediabase add board for LLWD. This will allow you to track the radio stations that have officially added the song to their playlist. Adds are reported by the stations on a set schedule each week depending on format:

    – HAC and AC adds are reported by Monday at 3PM Pacific
    – CHR adds are reported by Tuesday at 3PM Pacific
    – Rock adds (except AAA) are reported by Tuesday at Noon Pacific
    – AAA adds are reported by Monday at 2PM Pacific
    (It’s doubtful that Kris’s single will go for adds in any Rock format including AAA, but just FYI)

    No stations have added LLWD as of yet, but I would expect to see some rolling-in starting on Monday.

  77. Why are they misleading people tthat it was released as a single? That’s LA for you. So far the only two negative reviews I have read are from LA.

  78. Can someone post audio of the interview with Ryan when it’s over? I’m stuck in a meeting (yeah I REALLY wanted to learn more about ASTM standards this AM).

  79. Of course RYAN IS FOCUSING ON IT BEING A COVER. And now it’s playing…

    ETA: Back to work. :)

  80. dyg1
    September 25, 2009 at 10:05 am
    ETA: The Script never released it as a single, so he’s misleading people there.

    It was released:

    http://nmusic1.music.a1.b.yahoo.com/script/tracks/live-like-were-dying'“215241232

    I know it was released as a B-side in Europe and as an album track on their EP, but it wasn’t released as a single track was it?? I thought there was a difference. The only single I’ve heard released here was “The Man Who Can’t Be Moved”. Either way, I think it was misleading in the blog entry.

  81. Actually, I’m kinda glad Ryan brought up the cover thing. For those of us who know about it, it was conspicuously absent in the Monday interviews – and may have given some the impression that it was an ‘off-limits’ topic.

    Granted, Kris’s half-joking description of it as ‘a B-side in Germany’ is a bit of an understatement… but the implication that most people in the US haven’t heard it before is probably pretty correct.

  82. Video of Kris at z100, a little interview and footage of him listening to his song play.

    http://vimeo.com/6681929

    I kind of wish he hadn’t said ‘no covers’, I cringed a little

    Maybe he doesn’t know Script sold the song before.

  83. I missed the first part of the interview, I assume it will be on the syndicated show this afternoon here in Albuquerque :)

  84. Kris doesn’t know how long it will be till the album is finished. He also can’t remember what he was writing about last night…but the the album will be done 10.15, I think. (And Ryan noted how many lyrics there were and how hard it must be to sing. *shaking head*)

    Oh, Kris…PROMOTE YOURSELF, DUDE!!!

  85. suebrody
    September 25, 2009 at 10:07 am
    Of course RYAN IS FOCUSING ON IT BEING A COVER. And now it’s playing’ ¦

    I know. First he started with.. well you did covers on AI and now it’s your stuff, tell me how it happens.
    Then, he asks Kris “but this is a cover isn’t it?”
    Kris then says “No, The Script released it as a B side in Germany..” Ryan and the studio cut him off with laughter and Ryan saying ” So, nobody knows it…laugh”

    Awkward moment.

  86. Like seacrest (or whoever writes his blog) I am sure this will make top 5 itunes and most likely number 1 within the next 2 weeks. The question is how long it will hang around. Who knows.

  87. I know. First he started with saying, well you did covers on AI and now it’s your stuff, tell me how it happens.
    Then, he asks Kris ‘but this is a cover isn’t it?’ 
    Kris then says ‘NO, The Scrip released it in Germany..’  Ryan and the studio cut him off with laughter and Ryan saying ‘  So, nobody knows it’ ¦laugh’ 

    Awkward moment.

    You know… most people rave about Ryan, but I still think he is a tool.

    I agree though, I do think Ryan needed to ask about it being a cover. It needs to be addressed. Being up front about the origin of the song will reduce faning the gossip fire.

  88. Just checked the iTunes Top 1000 list, Kris’ single is currently #66! Not bad…

    Kris is not awake, is he? Can’t remember what he was writing about just last night…

    One small bit of info…he has until October 15th to finish the album. That’s just about 3 weeks

  89. I know. First he started with.. well you did covers on AI and now it’s your stuff, tell me how it happens.
    Then, he asks Kris ‘but this is a cover isn’t it?’ 
    Kris then says ‘NO, The Scrip released it as a B side in Germany..’  Ryan and the studio cut him off with laughter and Ryan saying ‘  So, nobody knows it’ ¦laugh’ 

    Awkward moment.

    So Kris is basically saying this is not a cover? That’s disingenuous of him. A cover is when you sing a song that somebody else already recorded. This most definitely IS a cover whether the song itself is unknown here or not.

  90. suebrody
    September 25, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Kris doesn’t know how long it will be till the album is finished. He also can’t remember what he was writing about last night’ ¦but the the album will be done 10.15, I think. (And Ryan noted how many lyrics there were and how hard it must be to sing. *shaking head*)

    Oh, Kris’ ¦PROMOTE YOURSELF, DUDE!!!

    Seriously, dude. He CAN’T REMEMBER what he wrote last night! Way to be enthusiastic about your work Kris.

    Is the interview over?

  91. Awwww sweet!!

    michaelsarver1Once u hear it u cant get it out of your head. @KrisAllen4Real I proud of u man. Great tune!
    1 minute ago from web

    michaelsarver1So I just bought the new single” Live Like We’re Dying” by my boy @KrisAllen4Real. Don’t let this day end without buying it on itunes.
    4 minutes ago from web

    michaelsarver1What up Twitter wooooorld! Hope u are all doing well today.
    5 minutes ago from web

  92. I’m surprised that there’s no photo of Kris on his single. Very low key.

    Ryan works for 19E — so if this was their way of ‘neutralizing’ the cover comments or possible criticisms, then Kris did not field that question well. He needs some coaching.

  93. Chris Daughtry just retweeted Kris’ tweet about LLYD being available on iTunes.

    @CHRIS_Daughtry:
    RT @KrisAllen4Real: Ok guys “live like we’re dying” is now on iTunes!

  94. I know it was released as a B-side in Europe and as an album track on their EP, but it wasn’t released as a single track was it?? I thought there was a difference. The only single I’ve heard released here was ‘The Man Who Can’t Be Moved’ . Either way, I think it was misleading in the blog entry.

    “The Script” also released “We Cry” in the US as a digital single when they started their US market entry (March 2009). But since such a high percentage of their US sales are digital, a US single “release” is somewhat meaningless. For example, their album, “The Script”, was #91 US Album Charts but #14 on iTunes.)

    “The Script” released LLWD as a B-Track on the UK Single CD with “We Cry” as the A Track, the “We Cry” music video and “Fall for Anything”. Sold in the US for $10.99 — too expensive for most fans to buy IMO. It was also an album track on “The Script” album released in Japan — and possibly other album versions. The Script LLYD is not available as a digital single on iTunes.

  95. Kris should have just said the song was written by The Script and it was released as a B-side, not as a single. Because obscure or not, technically it is still a cover

  96. One small bit of info’ ¦he has until October 15th to finish the album. That’s just about 3 weeks

    Why until 10/15/09? Is this from an interview?

    I thought that someone posted the timeline for Archie’s album last year and he worked on the album until 10/21/08 or so, for an earlier release date – 11/10/08.

  97. You know’ ¦ most people rave about Ryan, but I still think he is a tool.

    I didn’t listen to it so I don’t what tone Kris used… but if Kris is saying it is not a cover then he’s the one opening doors for people to laugh.
    It is a cover, doesn’t matter if it was released in the UK, Germany, Zimbabwe…
    I think it’s better if Kris accepts it.

  98. That was..awkward. I normally like Ryan but he was a little assy.

    Z100 also pissed me off this morning. I was listening to the Morning ZOO on my way to work and Elvis Duran had the singer Justin Beiber(?sp) on and as it turns out he’s releasing his debut album on 11/17, same day as Kris. When they mentioned that Kris was also releasing the same day this Justin went “uh who? Who’s Kris Allen?” And the whole crew burst out laughing. Real classy. Funny how they were so nice to him when he was sitting right there.

  99. Sunn
    September 25, 2009 at 10:13 am

    suebrody
    September 25, 2009 at 10:07 am
    Of course RYAN IS FOCUSING ON IT BEING A COVER. And now it’s playing’ ¦

    I know. First he started with.. well you did covers on AI and now it’s your stuff, tell me how it happens.
    Then, he asks Kris ‘but this is a cover isn’t it?’ 
    Kris then says ‘No, The Script released it as a B side in Germany..’  Ryan and the studio cut him off with laughter and Ryan saying ‘  So, nobody knows it’ ¦laugh’ 

    Awkward moment.

    I did not hear the interview but the way this reads Ryan is being kinda mean.

    I always thought that the term “cover” in music meant that it was a well known song and well liked enough that an audience would recognize it and the artist “covering” it sings and plays it very similar to the original tune. I guess it is a more precise term than that and I’m probably just recalling the ol’ club days.

    Dang it, just dang it. Kris deserves respect and better treatment than that. Yes the management team could have chosen an original song and avoided all this harping.

  100. well never heard of the script til a week ago..so do not care….thank goodness college footall has started….

  101. I always thought that the term ‘cover’  in music meant that it was a well known song and well liked enough that an audience would recognize it and the artist ‘covering’  it sings and plays it very similar to the original tune. I guess it is a more precise term than that and I’m probably just recalling the ol’ club days.

    That was always my definition of “cover” too.

  102. Q3

    Kris gave the Oct. 15th deadline in his interview with Ryan this A.M.

  103. Yeah I don’t understand about covers. I never heard of them either before this either. But really I don’t listen to alot of radio stations.And for along time all I listened to was country. But now I listen to more pop.And some rock.

  104. girlygirl
    September 25, 2009 at 10:28 am
    Kris should have just said the song was written by The Script and it was released as a B-side, not as a single. Because obscure or not, technically it is still a cover

    I agree. He shouldn’t have denied it was a cover, it made for a very awkward radio moment.

  105. I believe that was what Jive told him to say. You can’t put out a singlr and go on air telling people that it’s a cover. Thsoe who know theorigin can know but for the rest and majority who don’t , what you tell them is what they will take. They wouldn’t go around asking anyway.
    I agree with CindyM.

  106. I thought that the interview actually handled the “cover” question really well, albeit awkwardly. Kris’s “not really” indicates that by his own definition it’s not a cover, but he also acknowledges that the Script released the song, too.

    People are still going to debate their definitions of “cover” until the cows come home, but Kris has at least gotten the chance to express his own opinion about it.

  107. Why all the drama and hoopla about whether it is a cover or not. I think it matters more if it is a good song. I think it is a good song. Yes it is very similar to “The Script” version but I like Kris’s voice much better. I remember many artist doing covers and there never was this much dissecting. Tons of popular music today “sample” songs. (Flo rida “spin me round, Jay-Z “Young Forever” Jason Delrelo “Watcha Say” ) Kris singing a song that may or may not be an obscure cover of song is really not that much different. IMHO. I choose to Enjoy the song. Heck if I took this much time dissecting jokes I would never laugh. :-)

  108. I think the issue is that neither Ryan or Kris realize that it is an issue, maybe some of the posters here can articulate the reasons why Kris shouldn’t sing a song that fits him, that his label didn’t steal, and that’s catchy and radio friendly. Even though he’s not the first singer to do a cover, there is obviously some problem, but nobody outide of the idol bubble seems to see it, so obviously it needs to be explained why Kris is being hurt by performing this song, or that he’s wrong for performing it. He needs to address the criticisms that haven’t been lobbed at him from anyone except those inside the idol fandom.

  109. I agree. He shouldn’t have denied it was a cover, it made for a very awkward radio moment.

    Ryan shouldn’t have brought up the topic. There is no answer can run away with the fact. Their cutting of Kris and laughs were just tasteless. It makes Kris’ song sound like a reheat of the leftover of an unpopular dish.

  110. “That was always my definition of ‘cover’  too.”

    Well then maybe that was the way Kris was defining it.
    So Kris’ management should inform him of the definition of a cover as well so he can represent himself properly.

  111. Tons of popular music today ‘sample’  songs. (Flo rida ‘spin me round, Jay-Z ‘Young Forever’  Jason Delrelo ‘Watcha Say’ 

    Sampling a song and doing a cover are two TOTALLY different things. Kris did a straight cover of a song already performed by another band. Jason Derulo’s song too a small SAMPLE of Imogen Heap’s song a re-mixed it into his track which as a totally different song.

  112. That’s extremely good. Love this Tayler Ward kid.

    Oh my word, this kid is amazing!! Hate to say it, but I think this kid’s rendition captures the essence of the song better than Kris’ version. Ouch!! Has he tried out for AI yet?

  113. It makes Kris’ song sound like a reheat of the leftover of an unpopular dish.

    But it IS exactly that technically. But all mighty AI will reheat it up on the charts anyway. If it helps selling the album, that’s all it counts.

  114. Ryan works for 19E ‘” so if this was their way of ‘neutralizing’ the cover comments or possible criticisms, then Kris did not field that question well. He needs some coaching.

    If that were the case then Kris would have been told exactly how to answer the question. This came across more like a set-up to me. And I don’t know how that little blurb on Ryan’s website could be anymore dismissive of Kris or the song. It’s disappointing, but not really surprising.

    At least they played the song and mentioned it was available on iTunes.

  115. That was..awkward. I normally like Ryan but he was a little assy.

    Trina, assy is my new favorite adjective.

    I didn’t listen. I just can’t take Ryan. I do want to like him, but it takes like two seconds before I’m thinking, “Ryan, STHU …”

  116. Good interview. I’ll hear it again on 95.7 at noon, I think. Ryan tries too hard to be cool and he seems desperate to let the world no he’s straight. Whenever I catch the show, it’s always about women or statements like this with Jimmy Kimmel, “and people think I’m gay,” after Jimmy mentioned he bought ladybugs for his garden.

    I love Kris’s voice and his laid back attitude. Now this dude is cool. He talks like a musician. His dad seems pretty cool. Probably picked up the vernacular from him. When Jim C. and Kris were talking about Wolfgang (too cute), Kris said, ” I lost that cat.”

    The important points were addressed and the cover thing is a non-issue for most of America. It will only be an issue for the critics of Kris Allen, but really it could be anything as far as the critics are concerned. Of course, I know the heavily invested Kris Allen fans will angst non-stop over everything and will verbalize all of it. Perhaps, inadvertently, adding fuel to the “critics’s” fire.

    Majority of reviews are good, listeners seem to love it and I think the song should take off quite nicely. Jive has a game plan. It’s absurd to think they don’t. It would be wonderful if Kris was as bubbly as Adam or articulate as David Cook, but he is Kris Allen. People seem to love him for being himself and Idon’t see it changing now. What did Michael Sarver say? “He’s quiet and to himself sometimes, but when he does speak, it matters.”

    His music will speak for itself, as well. It’s a good day for Kris Allen. Wishing him many more!

  117. Kris didn’t handle the question as smoothly as we’d like, but I think it’s the first time it’s been asked of him. As with all other things ‘Kris’, he learns from experience and will likely give a more polished answer next time.

  118. Yeah I agree beehiway,that maybe that’s how he thinks also. Alot of people don’t know it’s a cover. Maybe they should have explained it to Kris if it’s a cover so he would have known what to say. Boy that was a very akeward moment.

  119. Why all the drama and hoopla about whether it is a cover or not.

    For me personally, it doesn’t matter that Kris’ first single is a cover. I like the song. But what does bother me a bit, is that they can’t admit that it is a cover. It’s like they are insinuating themselves that there is something wrong if the single is considered a cover.

  120. Does it even matter? I don’t think it is a problem or it’s new and that’s the reason TPTB have not deemed it neccesary to talk about it. Ryan is just being stupid and he shouldn’t have even asked in the first place.
    He’s always been like that with Kris.

  121. If somebody recorded the damn thing and put in on an album, whether a B-side or whatever, then it’s their song. Everybody else singing or recording the song after that is covering the song.

    Just because this band is not well known in the US does not make them unknown somewhere else. Just because people in the US had limited access to The Script’s song it does not mean that somebody can now record it and claim that it’s not a cover. It is a cover and Kris should own up to it. Being wishy-washy about it is the absolute worst policy. Just set the record to crystal clear, say it’s a cover, you love it like your own and move on.

  122. I always thought that the term ‘cover’  in music meant that it was a well known song and well liked enough that an audience would recognize it and the artist ‘covering’  it sings and plays it very similar to the original tune. I guess it is a more precise term than that and I’m probably just recalling the ol’ club days.

    That was always my definition of ‘cover’  too.

    Me too. But the distinction seems to be important to the pedants, so, yes it’s a cover. BFD.

  123. On the positive side, the reviews Kris is getting in the ITunes comment section are very positive. And in the poll on Ryan’s blog, very few have voted that they hate LLWD. So despite the “cover” issue, Kris’ version is generally being very well received, which should help with radio play and (hopefully) sales

  124. I agree that there should not be that much hoopla about it being a cover. But Ryan’s interview isn’t the first one in which the subject was bought up. Why do “they” want to make a big deal about it?

  125. Ok so I just heard the interview off YT. I didn’t think it was nearly as bad as how it has been written up here. Even Ryan’s questions about the cover, etc. were fine, although it would have been better if he didn’t ask the question about the arrangement. Despite Ryan’s affiliation with 19E, he still runs his own show and will ask the same questions that any other radio station DJ should ask. He shouldn’t be obligated to skip subject matters just because of a prior association.

    With all this said, I still hold the opinion (from years of watching AI and hearing him on the radio prior to AI), I still think he is a tool.

  126. Kris DID own up to it: he outright acknowledged that the Script released it. It’s just that clearly, by his definition, it’s not a cover.

    He didn’t lie, or even really downplay it.

  127. universal
    September 25, 2009 at 10:52 am
    Why all the drama and hoopla about whether it is a cover or not.

    I don’t really think it matters that it’s a cover. I’ve said before the song is good, and it will sell very well. I still think it’s a HIT.

    The point, I was making anyway, is the radio interview. Denying it’s a cover when asked point blank opened the door for Ryan, and his girl friday, to laugh and point out that it’s a straight cover of a previously released, though obscure song. It was not a good radio moment.

  128. Okay, I’ve let it go. I’m detaching. Thanks evanjane and edee. Good views. It is a good day for Kris Allen. The song is climbing the charts. And honestly I have never tuned into Ryans broadcast so I would not have known about it …

  129. Yeah, I don’t understand the amount of support Ryan gets as a personality. He keeps the show running well, so I give him credit for that, but in general I do find him to be a complete and utter tool. Given his interactions with Kris on the show, I’m not surprised this interview didn’t go so well.

  130. I always thought that the term ‘cover’  in music meant that it was a well known song and well liked enough that an audience would recognize it and the artist ‘covering’  it sings and plays it very similar to the original tune. I guess it is a more precise term than that and I’m probably just recalling the ol’ club days.

    Well, I’ve quite frequently heard a song on someone’s album described as a “cover” of an *obscure* song by x, y, or z. Phrases like “Artist A’s new album contains an nteresting cover of an obscure song from Artist B’s album, BlahBlah” are pretty common, it seems to me.

    The “well known” part has never been in the definition, as far as I can tell. Just the “previously recorded” part. Plenty of covers have become more famous and respected than the originals, I think.

    No shame in saying that it’s a cover, as far as I can see. Just say that this is a *great* song by The Script that got limited release and never got the recognition it was due and you and your team thought it was a perfect fit for you, a wonderful song that deserved a much wider hearing, and you believe you and your team have done a great rendition that will give the song the popularity that it’s long deserved.

    Here’s a (very typical — to me, anyway) comment from the web about Dream Theatre “covering” obscure songs.
    http://www.t-n-m-s.com/index.php?topic=28232.0

    “Dream Theatre cover (obscure) Queen
    Those lunatic DT guys have covered a medley of Queen Tracks:
    Tenement Funster/Flick of the Wrist/Lily of the Valley
    Typical of them to cover such an obscure trio of tracks – and do a rather spiffing job!”

    So, yeah, you can definitely “cover” “obscure” tracks. (In fact, I’d bet that most pros who use covers cover obscure tracks.) And you can do a great job of it and lose no cred at all in the process, it seems to me.

  131. just listen to Kris’s Ryan interview. That was a good interview. When he was asked what he was writing about yesterday, true he started saying ‘i don’t know’ but gave an answer afterward.
    Didn’t sound to me he’s denying it’s a cover

  132. But the distinction seems to be important to the pedants, so, yes it’s a cover. BFD.

    I don’t think it’s just pedantry. Somebody else wrote and recorded this song, it is their work, obscure or not and they deserve credit for it. I think Kris/Jive/19 whoever are making a big mistake by trying to downplay what the song really is. Honesty is always the best policy.

  133. I have one question: Why would Ryan try to “hurt” Kris Allen? It doesn’t make sense that he would. Ryan works for 19 and they’re paying him big bucks. Kris Allen is a singer/musician with 19. Kris’s success, as well as, all the other AI artists, should be a priority one for Ryan Seacrest. Their success legitimazes AI, showing the world that real talent can be discovered on a reality show. Their success puts more money into 19’s pocket which in turn puts more money into Ryan’s pocket. Trickle down theory. Ryan’s being watched as well. His still an employee no matter how you slice it. Ryan would be stupid to “cut off the hand that feeds” him.

    Just sayin’.

  134. Kris should have just said the song was written by The Script and it was released as a B-side, not as a single. Because obscure or not, technically it is still a cover

    I agree completely. His “NO” is flat wrong. Don’t have to say yes or no, just explain the situation honestly, cuz it’s not that bad, and if people like the song, they won’t care about this. Kris has a great personality and is very easy going, but he isn’t great at this media stuff, handling questions well while promoting himself…

    That was..awkward. I normally like Ryan but he was a little assy.

    I’ve had to reconcile this a while ago. I didn’t watch the early seasons of AI, so I first knew of Ryan as the media personality and DJ and he IS assy and gossipy and juvenile and all the typical DJ things. But I started watching casually in AI6 and hardcore in AI7, and found that all the bloggers I loved to read LOVE Ryan, and realized that I did too. Bottom line, there are 2 Ryans. The AI Ryan is awesome, and barring the occasional infantile joke with Simon, I heart him muchly. The other Ryan? I avoid, cuz I generally cannot stand the E! News, red carpet, radio interviewer Ryan. Just cannot.

  135. All of the angst over whether it’s a cover or not… “my definition” of a cover… “not what I think of” as a cover….

    How about if we look it up in the dictionary?

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cover+version?db=luna

    cover version‘‚
    ‘“noun

    a recording of a song by a singer, instrumentalist, or group other than the original performer or composer.

  136. If I were Kris, I would put the whole cover issue back on 19/Jive they are ultimately the ones making the decisions. Kris liked the song and recorded it but it was 19/Jive who made the decision to release it. Kris may not have gotten the whole story from the label. They should be advising Kris on what to say. He really needs better PR people around him.

  137. I just listened to the interview on YouTube, and I didn’t think it was that bad. I wish Kris had had a better answer to what he was writing last night, but other than that? It was fine. Who cares if it’s a cover?
    Youtube link

    I’m just happy to finally have some new music and how close we’re getting to new albums. I downloaded it from iTunes, but it won’t feel totally real until I hear it on the radio.

  138. endee,

    The Script is with RCA. I’m certain they know all about Kris Allen’s single and are thrilled. The buzz this group is getting in America right now is priceless. The Script isn’t even listed on my local radios’ request forms. They had video play on VH-1 for awhile. They are not well-know in the US, which RCA wants them to be. Perhaps TPTB didn’t realize how big the buzz or controversy would become — all good as far as they’re concerend I’m sure. 250,000+ views on Youtube since Tuesday on the full single — more than The Script’s own version.

    It’s all good.

  139. So, if Kris’ song is going to be considered a cover, then wouldn’t anything pre-recorded by the composer before it is popularized by another artist is considered a cover? This would make any demo song by a composer technically a “cover”. In essence, any song an artist sings that is not composed by him is also considered a “cover”, which probably means that most of, if not all, the artist in the music business today are doing covers. Rihanna covered “Umbrella”, David Cook covered “Light On” and Kelly Clarkson covered “Miss Independent”. (Feel free to correct me regarding my examples, but you get my point)

    If this is the case, then why are people emphasizing that Kris is releasing a “cover” song when in fact it is a common practice among music artists?

    However, I disagree with every fiber of my being that it is a cover.

    IMO, if something is to be considered a cover wouldn’t that mean that a particular song is exclusively associated with the original artist before it was “covered” by another? This is clearly not the case here. People only knew about the song because Kris Allen had the tenacity to pick an obscure song that was relegated to an EP released in a foreign country and make it his debut single.

  140. The AI Ryan is awesome, and barring the occasional infantile joke with Simon, I heart him muchly. The other Ryan? I avoid, cuz I generally cannot stand the E! News, red carpet, radio interviewer Ryan. Just cannot

    This is so true. I’ve started listening to his syndicated radio show here in the afternoons. He’s funny, but he comes off like a tool sometimes. The radio advice part of his show is just ridiculous and his need to play the playboy dude role is just awkward sometimes.

    Okay, I concede on the definition of cover. Still think it makes no difference in the world as to the success of Live Like We’re Dying. I think it will be a hit and I’m happy for Kris! Must be an awesome time of his life and a dream come true.

  141. Wow. That interview was a complete trainwreck. Seacrest is the best in the business at pumpin’ up a guest and he got nothing out of the kid. He would have gotten more energy interviewing a wet paper towel. I can just picture Seacrest slapping his head when that was over.

    Denying that it was a cover song. Then, Seacrest throws him a softball and asks, “Well, you guys changed it a lot, though, right?”

    “No, not really. We liked it the way it was…”

    Wow. The biggest top 40 radio station in Los Angeles, on a morning drive show that is syndicated nationally, introducing his first single, and the kid can’t bring the energy of a live remote at the grand opening of a car wash back in Conway. I’m stunned.

    Does the kid think is all just a joke or something? 19R must be ready to kill him.

  142. I personally don’t care if it is a cover or not. I just think Kris needs to be better prepared to answer this question, because it is likely to come up in most of he interviews he does promoting the single.

    LLWD now #55 overall on the ITunes top 1000 chart. Not sure how to check where it is on the Itunes Pop Chart

  143. They should be happy. I never heard of them and never wold have. And since I heard that kris was singing the song,I listen to a couple of the script song’s on youtube and bought to album. And I wouldn’t have if this din’t happen.

  144. good heavens — how could putting out a cover of a relatively obscure pop tune become a scandal?

    i mean, do even half the biggest pop stars write their own material? did kris win because everyone loved the songs he wrote?

    consider many many huge hits that were “covers”:

    “You’ve Got a Friend” – James Taylor

    “I Wanna Be Your Man” — Rolling Stones (lennon-mccartney wrote it!)

    “The Letter” — Joe Cocker

    “I Say a Little Prayer” — Aretha

    “Change the World” — Babyface (originally recorded by Wynona Judd!)

    It’s a total tempest in a teapot, for most music fans…

    the youtube video of the acoustic cover of Kris’s single is very pleasant, the kid is obviously talented.

    I too think Kris might have been better served by recording an acoustic version, but it actually may not have sold as well as this one will — and you can dance to this version…

  145. So, if Kris’ song is going to be considered a cover, then wouldn’t anything pre-recorded by the composer before it is popularized by another artist is considered a cover? This would make any demo song by a composer technically a ‘cover’ .

    No, because it’s only a cover if the other artist/performer has publicly released the song to be sold.

    The idea that “covers” have to be “well known” songs is just dead, flat-out wrong. Go look up a few years worth of album reviews and you will see, again and again, that people are described as “covering” “obscure” songs by this one and that one. And the term is only used for songs that have been publicly released for sale by some other performing artist. … Must have been publicly released for sale: Yes. Must have been a “well known” song: Absolutely not.

    The only thing that’s wrong here is the idea that it’s some kind of disgrace for Kris that he is releasing a cover. If you do a great job of it and get the song attention, then there isn’t a single ounce of disgrace to it. It’s a perfectly common practice and it casts no bad light on him in the least.

  146. IMO, if something is to be considered a cover wouldn’t that mean that a particular song is exclusively associated with the original artist before it was ‘covered’  by another? This is clearly not the case here. People only knew about the song because Kris Allen had the tenacity to pick an obscure song that was relegated to an EP released in a foreign country and make it his debut single.

    In the end I don’t think it matters if we believe it is a cover or not… it all in the perception of the media – that being the DJs and Mags. It can be debated over and over. If the media calls it a cover then it will be known as a cover. They are more of an ‘expert’ than we are & they are the ones that will be giving it a label that will stick.

  147. And on the subject of The Script, I noticed that they will be coming up on Live from Abbey Road on the Sundance channel along with Matchbox Twenty and Def Leppard. Its a repeat from last year. One of the three songs they sing, will be the A side, We Cry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EutYDAqB1u8

  148. hwc,
    Do you think he’s not been told what to say? It’s those of us on Idol related boards who are eating too much into this cover issue. Nobody cares outside. Kris is not the first artist to do someone else’s song.

  149. Kris DID own up to it: he outright acknowledged that the Script released it. It’s just that clearly, by his definition, it’s not a cover.

    He didn’t lie, or even really downplay it.

    I agree with THIS. I think Kris and I have the same definition of a “cover”.

  150. Wow. That interview was a complete trainwreck. Seacrest is the best in the business at pumpin’ up a guest and he got nothing out of the kid. He would have gotten more energy interviewing a wet paper towel. I can just picture Seacrest slapping his head when that was over.

    Denying that it was a cover song. Then, Seacrest throws him a softball and asks, ‘Well, you guys changed it a lot, though, right?’ 

    ‘No, not really. We liked it the way it was’ ¦’ 

    I totally agree, hwc. This interview was a total trainwreck. Ryan Seacrest certainly did everything he could to embarrass Kris. And Kris’ answers were so bad. LLWD is a cover, no matter how obscure is the original version of the song.

  151. carmine2008

    So, if Kris’ song is going to be considered a cover, then wouldn’t anything pre-recorded by the composer before it is popularized by another artist is considered a cover? This would make any demo song by a composer technically a ‘cover’ . In essence, any song an artist sings that is not composed by him is also considered a ‘cover’ , which probably means that most of, if not all, the artist in the music business today are doing covers. Rihanna covered ‘Umbrella’ , David Cook covered ‘Light On’  and Kelly Clarkson covered ‘Miss Independent’ . (Feel free to correct me regarding my examples, but you get my point)

    I suppose you could say so. Although, for me it’s a cover if the song in question previously has been associated with the original artist(s) by people outside the artists’ immediate sphere of family, friends and co-workers. Essentially, that means that if the song has been recorded and released and/or performed at several live shows, a group of people will come to associate that song to the original artists. The group may not be large, but it’s there nonetheless. A song like that I’d consider a cover (if we’re talking an non-produced demo version leaked to youtube, which was never intended for public consumption it’s a different matter IMO – but that is not the case here)

    If this is the case, then why are people emphasizing that Kris is releasing a ‘cover’  song when in fact it is a common practice among music artists?

    Personally, I really don’t care that the single is a cover – I just think it’s wrong to attempt to hide it because of the discussions and controversy it’s going to spark and also because most of the reviews (favourable or not) have mentioned it, which makes not addressing the issue rather naà ¯ve IMO. (I know, with this interview it has been addressed, although it could have been handled a lot better.)

    IMO, if something is to be considered a cover wouldn’t that mean that a particular song is exclusively associated with the original artist before it was ‘covered’  by another? This is clearly not the case here. People only knew about the song because Kris Allen had the tenacity to pick an obscure song that was relegated to an EP released in a foreign country and make it his debut single.

    So, by your definition it is not a cover in the US but would be a cover in some countries overseas?

  152. “19R must be ready to kill him.” — hwc

    I doubt it. I think they know Kris by now, as does Ryan. I think the issue is a non-issue to Kris. It’s a non-issue to the majority of Americans. Those people will discover Kris’s music via radio play. That’s when I first heard Daughtry and decided to buy his CD. Never read a review, never visted a fansite or AI blog — that’s the normal, real world.

  153. I’m as perplexed as you are, hwc.

    His defenders will say that 19E probably loves hearing him be so “real”. But if I were his PR guy I’d be pulling my hair out.

    Whether it’s true or not, the image it is projecting is of someone who is a little embarrassed by his single.

  154. Ok so it’s a cover. But alot of us didn’t know that and like us Kris might think the same. Maybe someone should explain this to Kris for he’ll be perpared for the question next time.

  155. OK obscure question but it is about Kris…The song being a “cover” would that exclude Kris from being considered for a Grammy. (such as Best new Artist)

  156. I don’t think Kris is embrassed about this single at all. He said he feel in love with it right when he heard the song for the first time. And he did at least say something about it when asked.

  157. IMO, the only reason “cover” seems to be a concern is that American Idol is known for the contestants doing covers. Then they do covers on tour. When they release their music, it is expected it will be something that’s all their own. It’s not a problem to me or to many of us, but for those that already make fun of the concept of American Idol, releasing a cover after singing covers in a competition just fuels those that think the show is a joke.

    I didn’t listen to the interview, but I wish Kris had been a little more savvy with the answers I’m seeing in print in the comments. *shrugs*

    ETA: when I say “all their own” I don’t mean written by them, I mean something original that has not been issued before or released before. (And to respond to something upthread, I don’t think demos count as they are shopped around but not formally produced and released.)

  158. No, because it’s only a cover if the other artist/performer has publicly released the song to be sold.

    The idea that ‘covers’  have to be ‘well known’  songs is just dead, flat-out wrong. Go look up a few years worth of album reviews and you will see, again and again, that people are described as ‘covering’  ‘obscure’  songs by this one and that one. And the term is only used for songs that have been publicly released for sale by some other performing artist. ‘ ¦ Must have been publicly released for sale: Yes. Must have been a ‘well known’  song: Absolutely not.

    Then obviously you and I have a very different definition of terms. But I wouldn’t go as far as calling your opinion “dead, flat-out wrong”.

    The only thing that’s wrong here is the idea that it’s some kind of disgrace for Kris that he is releasing a cover. If you do a great job of it and get the song attention, then there isn’t a single ounce of disgrace to it. It’s a perfectly common practice and it casts no bad light on him in the least.

    I agree with this. But you’ve got to wonder why people are emphasizing this so much. Do other artists get this much attention for not recording a song they composed themselves?

  159. I didn’t like the dictionary definition of “cover.” For me, it has to be released to be a cover. You can cover obscure songs or you can cover really famous songs. The fact that it was previously released and in print (so to speak) is what matters. I don’t know what you’re covering when you release a song that somebody else wrote. You’re giving the song its first breath. I’ll never think that just because somebody else wrote the song, it’s a cover. A song that is a demo isn’t a cover to me either. It’s just a way of shopping what you feel to be a really good song for somebody else to bring to life.

    That being said, yup LLWD is definitely a cover. I can’t care. Some of my all-time favorite songs are covers. All Along the Watchtower and Free Falling come to mind. Those are very famous covers (both the before and after). But I also really love some very obscure covers too, such as umm Todd Snider covering Robert Earl Keen’s Corpus Christi Bay. The first thing I think Kris needs to do is to acknowledge The Script for their awesome song.

    Ultimately, I think it’s such an Idol thing to spend this much time discussing the origin of a song. It truly doesn’t matter. If people like it, they will buy it (well maybe unless Kanye wrote it). People seem to like it. The compass points in the direction that it will do well on the radio. That Bieber brat will soon know who Kris Allen is. Life will go on.

  160. hmm hwc, that so OTT

    Kris has always been laid-back, he’s not going to be different now. I really think it was a good interview

  161. Kris’s “No” could’ve been a slip of the tongue >_>, and he did say it was released as a B-side earlier. I think he kinda saved himself there.

    Anyway, how do you check how well it’s doing? Just bought it, by the way. :D.

  162. halfie
    September 25, 2009 at 11:34 am

    I’m as perplexed as you are, hwc.

    His defenders will say that 19E probably loves hearing him be so ‘real’ . But if I were his PR guy I’d be pulling my hair out.

    Whether it’s true or not, the image it is projecting is of someone who is a little embarrassed by his single.

    Me too! I worked in PR briefly for a few years and I tend to cringe at quite a few of Kris’s interviews – especially the ones where he’s talking about his album.

    Low key personality or not, he’s giving off the IMPRESSION to the general public (not his hard core AI stans who will excuse him for just about anything) that he’s not into his album at all.

    I totally face-palmed when he was asked about what he was working on last night and he started off with “Uhh…I don’t really remember.” How about name dropping who you were working with!? Praise them! Talk a little about the sound. SOMETHING!

    My GAWD, Kris couldn’t be more vague if he tried.

  163. Who cares if it is a cover – if it is done well it won’t matter.

    However, I would not know, since I can not buy it. Watched the show in Canada, went and saw the tour in Canada, but alas no single. Dumb. I guess they want me to download it elsewhere first. Does anyone know if this is the way it usually is??

  164. Then, Seacrest throws him a softball and asks, ‘Well, you guys changed it a lot, though, right?’ 

    ‘No, not really. We liked it the way it was’ ¦’ 

    That was no softball. That was a 97 mph fastball aimed right at his head. What was he supposed to say? The song is VERY close to the original and he would have sounded pretty disingenuous if he’d tried to claim otherwise.

    Just say that this is a *great* song by The Script that got limited release and never got the recognition it was due and you and your team thought it was a perfect fit for you, a wonderful song that deserved a much wider hearing, and you believe you and your team have done a great rendition that will give the song the popularity that it’s long deserved.

    ^^^ This. Much better answer and you know what? It’s the truth. The song fit Kris, he sounds great on it and it will get wider exposure.

    Ryan is a tool, but Kris needs to prepare a better stock answer, cuz the question isn’t going away anytime soon.

  165. “”Wow. That interview was a complete trainwreck. Seacrest is the best in the business at pumpin’ up a guest and he got nothing out of the kid. He would have gotten more energy interviewing a wet paper towel. I can just picture Seacrest slapping his head when that was over.”””

    Wow to you, I was just thinking this same thing, the song has grown on me except for the parts where you can tell he is just straining, I do like it. But enough with the – oh I am a small town laid back guy, already. Unless you are not really excited or pumped about your situation then continue that route. If you are excited it would be nice for you to show it because your fans certainly are excited for you. he is just blah – I want to set a fire under his butt and wake him up. I hope he does well, I bet he will, maybe he just didnt eat his wheaties this morning?

  166. I agree ilovekrisallen39. If 19 was so worried about what Kris Allen should or should not be saying, they would have prepped the kid. I think after this, he’ll be a little more prepared to answer it. Kris is so busy, he might not even know how “big” it’s become on AI blogs. His answer was honest and again a non-issue as far as he was concerned. I don’t get the drama? I don’t listen to radio interviews of artists. I just listen to their music. Listeners got a taste of the song and connected it to Kris Allen. Hot issues were addressed. Kris responded, not making excuses or giving huge explanations to plead his “case”. Specifically because their is no “case” to plead. Again, non-issue.

    But do go on…

  167. I just downloaded Kris’ song and wanted to write my review of it before reading other comments. IMO, the Kris Allen we heard on the show is absent in this single. All the nuance and intimacy of Kris’s singing is not used on this song. I’m very disappointed, but then, whats new with almost all AI albums that the label puts out. The music is seldom like what we hear them sing on the show. Had Kris sung likethis on the show, I would never have voted for him. I dont like the song, the music isnt the best, production isnt the best and Kris is wasted on this. Dont think I am someone posting to make him look bad to make someone else look better, cuz I love Kris and voted like mad for him to win. I would love to know if Kris picked this or if it was pushed on him. IMO, he was biced. Im afraid the label is gonna give him the Taylor Hicks treatment and concentrate on Adam. I dont like one label sigining so many the same season, cause only one is gonna get the red carpet treatment. The others will get whats left. They deserve better then that.

  168. I have said from the moment I heard the song that I liked it. But I don’t have to like the way Kris is handling its promotion. I am involved in PR in my work, and he doesn’t have his patter down. He needs more coaching; this is the big time. He’s getting good opportunities for exposure and he shouldn’t squander them. It isn’t enough to just assume that because it’s an Idol winner debut that it will rocket up the charts and stay there. I hope he is a little faster on his feet in future interviews. The one with Ryan should have been a slam dunk.

  169. That’s extremely good. Love this Tayler Ward kid.

    Oh, hell yeah. I’d pay 99 cents for the the Taylor Ward version. That was good.

    Whether it’s true or not, the image it is projecting is of someone who is a little embarrassed by his single.

    It’s not just the cover thing. He gives nothing when asked to walk the listeners through the start of the album. He can’t remeber what he’s wrirting about. Nothing on the title. Just a complete zero. Take away the “uhmms” and the “dudes” and it would literally be dead air. My cat could give a better interview. What does he think is the purpose of these interviews — on the largest FM stations in the country, on their highest rated morning drive time, with nationally synidated hosts? Does he have any idea how much people would pay for those five minutes of promotion? He acts like it’s a joke or something. Completely unprepared to answer the most obvious questions or put any effort into the equation.

    I feel sorry for the kid. He is obviously not ready to handle the position he finds himself in. He’s clearly uncomfortable doing these interviews. Uncomfortable talking about recording an album. Uncomfortable with the whole thing.

    What do you think Seacrest is going to say to his homies at 19E the next time they ask to book the kid on his show?

  170. I always thought that the term ‘cover’  in music meant that it was a well known song and well liked enough that an audience would recognize it and the artist ‘covering’  it sings and plays it very similar to the original tune. I guess it is a more precise term than that and I’m probably just recalling the ol’ club days.

    My definition of cover doesn’t include that it has to be a well-known song – to me, a cover is doing a song that was already done by someone else, whether the original was popular or not. To that end, LLWD is a cover.

    But as some others have said, I couldn’t care less that it’s a cover. It is a catchy song, not well known in the US (e.g. – it’s not like he’s covering “Born in the USA” or some very well-known song), and it suits Kris really well. So I wish the cover controversy would kinda just drop. No biggie imo.

  171. OK obscure question but it is about Kris’ ¦The song being a ‘cover’  would that exclude Kris from being considered for a Grammy. (such as Best new Artist)

    No. The only category it would exempt Kris himself from would be Song of the Year, which is awarded to the songwriter rather than the performer. In that case were LLWD to be nominated and win, the award would go to Andrew Frampton, Steve Kipner, Daniel O’Donoghue, and Mark Sheehan. Kris himself could of course still be considered for BNA, Record or Album of the Year, as well as many of the genre-specific categories (he would most likely be submitted in the Pop vocal field).

    [Clearly it is seriously premature to be talking Grammys here, but the cover issue such as it is has no bearing on future eligibility for Kris or the song itself].

  172. What does he think is the purpose of these interviews ‘” on the largest FM stations in the country, on their highest rated morning drive time, with nationally synidated hosts? Does he have any idea how much people would pay for those five minutes of promotion? He acts like it’s a joke or something. Completely unprepared to answer the most obvious questions or put any effort into the equation.

    Exactly my point, hwc. This is prime exposure handed to him and should be capitalized on!

  173. So, by your definition it is not a cover in the US but would be a cover in some countries overseas?

    Was it popular in the country in which it was released? It certainly didn’t reach MY country.

  174. i re-listen Kris interview and he did very good in my opinion, he was sounding always very interested in his own way. I so don’t get the board drama

  175. ” I want to set a fire under his butt ” — SUMIDOL

    And he’d probably say: “oh, man, why’d you do that dude? Are you serious?”

    Kris just being Kris. I thought he talked a lot. DJ’s don’t normally ask what the songs are about — they ask who they’re working with, et al. I’d love to hear what some of the rappers would say to that …

  176. I feel sorry for the kid. He is obviously not ready to handle the position he finds himself in. He’s clearly uncomfortable doing these interviews. Uncomfortable talking about recording an album. Uncomfortable with the whole thing.

    Makes me think about reading in some early Kris interviews, after the win, when it sounded like, based on his low-key personality, that he really would have been happier to keep it on the down low when it came to the win – rather than being thrust in the spotlight as the winner. Just hanging with friends and Katy. It made me worried for how much he was really willing to embrace what a life change it is to be the American Idol – what a big deal it is, especially in the short term, to be in the spotlight and be so famous.

  177. Then obviously you and I have a very different definition of terms. But I wouldn’t go as far as calling your opinion ‘dead, flat-out wrong’ .

    It’s not my definition. It’s simply *the* definition of the word as it has been repeatedly, continually, persistently, consistently used by writers about music for decades and decades and decades.

    Please — go look at album reviews and descriptions. Look at articles and books and liner notes from this year, ten years ago, 20 years ago, 60 years ago. You will see — over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again — that “cover” is used to include obscure songs as well as well-known songs. And, in fact, it refers to obscure songs *far* more because, in fact, many more artists “cover” obscure songs than cover well-known songs. This really isn’t a matter of opinion.

    I can’t say that I’m sorry I said it in a way that apparently hurts your feelings because i don’t know that there was another way to say it. Saying that a “cover” is defined as a new rendition of a “well known” song is just plain wrong. That’s not the definition of the term as it’s used in music and it never has been.

    I mean no disrespect to Kris or to any of you by pointing that out. But some things just aren’t a matter of opinion. This is a cover. … And I say, So what? Covers are *all* *over* the albums of tons and tons of very famous and well respected singers. So what? Many many many artists have done great jobs with covers of obscure songs and get way more respect for doing it than the original artists have. Kris does a fine job with this song, and it doesn’t matter the tiniest bit that it’s a cover! Trying to deny that it is doesn’t help him in the least. Musicians use the word a certain way, and they certainly won’t be swayed to believe something different because fans want to redefine a word. Kris’s performance of the song is what matters, and he does a good job. Period.

    “Hound Dog” by Elvis. … Cover. … Does that diminish his performance of the song in the slightest? Uh … no.

  178. i must say that i prefer his natural self even though it’s not that perfect that hearing someone sounding artificially fake-pumped

  179. There really isn’t anything wrong about the song being a cover. And it’s also natural he’s asked about this. Light On wasn’t a cover but written by Chris Cornell and David Cook kept being asked about that. It’s just how it works.

    I wasn’t around blogs and didn’t scour for interviews and stuff during the David Cook “Light On” release. I just bought it. I’m sure the majority of people out there are like I was last year and “cover” won’t even be a keyword for them this year and they will just buy the song because they love it and/or love Kris. All is good.

  180. [Clearly it is seriously premature to be talking Grammys here, but the cover issue such as it is has no bearing on future eligibility for Kris or the song itself].

    Thank you for answering…I know it is premature I was only curious if it would exclude him from being considered.

  181. I’m speaking as a fan. I like Kris A LOT, I like the song a lot and I want it to be a huge hit for him, I want his album to be a big seller..but he needs a crash course in PR 101. I don’t expect him to be bouncing off the walls but he does need to start at least trying to be a little more enthused about this album. When it drops and he starts the real heavy promo he’s going to have to do his best to sell it.

  182. I don’t get the idea that just because the song was obscure and unknown by most listeners in the States that the song is not a cover.

    The fact is that The Script is better known outside the States and chances are LLWD is recognized by those fans as being a Script song. To think that doesn’t matter because it is outside the boundaries of this country strikes me as bordering on nationalistic.

    The Script has had some success in the UK and other parts of Europe and is trying to breakthrough here. Anyone who has been to a U2 or Paul McCartney tour in the States this summer were introduced to the Scripts. Others US citizens have actually heard and liked Script music before Kris Allen. Just because the folks who knew The Script weren’t the majority of US listeners doesn’t invalidate The Script’s effort.

    No, there is nothing wrong with Kris Allen singing a cover, especially one he identifies so strongly with. But the fact that Kris just won a reality contest – often identified as a kareoke contest – by singing a string of covers, makes the fact that his first offering – his breakthrough into the industry – is also a cover an issue. Now, Kris’ reaction to this truth will determine whether this issue is treated as merely a small talking point or a huge debate.

    I think people (media) are focusing on the cover aspect merely because it is not what they were expecting from Kris. Rightly or wrongly Kris had a singer/songwriter i.d. coming from the show and people tended to expect something original from Kris the first time out. Had The Script song been his second or third release, I don’t think the cover aspect would have gotten quite the focus it – deservedly so IMHO – has gotten now.

  183. I don’t personally give a damn if it’s a cover or not. However:

    1) I am still surprised that this is the first single that has been released, as the Script IS still performing and this question KEEPS being asked, so there is relevance. But Kris’s response was truthful.

    2) I think Ryan conducted a sucky interview. But I am not shocked about it. He IS a tool. As I said before, it was more weird that Kris sounded unsure about when it would be finished (aside from a deadline). Why not say, well, we’re working hard on it, and the collaborators include Ryan Tedder, etal? Great way to promote them and show that he is working with well-known producers/writers. I still contend that Kris, who has no experience with self-promotion (do not count the Tour, that was different), needs guidance. It is cool to be laid-back, and someone like Cook certainly is, but I think he was more proactive in encouraging ppl to buy it (maybe I am wrong about that, tho). So I agree with you on this, halfie.

    Still, I’m glad to see that the single is getting a lot of airplay already! I hope it stays that way. I’ll be anxious to see what HAC mix in Boston does with it. Since they played ToML a lot (saying it was by American Idol winner David Cook), I hope they will do the same with LLWD (they never played NoBo, or if they did, not enough for me to notice; Heartless, OTOH, they still have in rotation).

  184. I can’t say that I’m sorry I said it in a way that apparently hurts your feelings because i don’t know that there was another way to say it.

    Did I say anything in this regard? I was merely implying that we (or the “experts” you have mentioned) have different opinions regarding what constitutes a cover. For me OPINIONS are neither right nor wrong therefore I will not say that yours (or the “experts'” you have mentioned) are wrong simply because it doesn’t correspond with mine.

    And, in fact, it refers to obscure songs *far* more because, in fact, many more artists ‘cover’  obscure songs than cover well-known songs. This really isn’t a matter of opinion.

    Can you please quantify this statement since you claim this to be a fact.

  185. I couldn’t find the Ryan interview, but I viewed/listened to the Z100 blurb and the song. First, I like Kris, but I’m just not a fan of the TYPE music he does. I admit, that I am here (MJ’s) only because of Alli. I am a huge fan of Joplin, E James, etc.; eclectic “classic” rock, eclectic rock. Generally, Kris types just ain’t my cuppa. I have Kris type album only if a GF has gifted it (dammit)!

    BUT, if you are a fan of Kris or a fan of the type such as “Live Like…” how can you NOT love this song! The dam Z100 sounds 100x better than the 20” clip! It shows Kris off as the artist he is – and what I do appreciate him for. Amazes me. Seems that a fairly crappy sounding clip swayed many to jump to conclusions before the product was fairly sampled. The rendition is excellent! And, that is from a very critical non-fan (of the genre – how could one not be a fan of Kris).

    Who knows if the song or album will prove platinum sales at this point. The point: Kris and his music are intrinsically platinum.

    Kris laid back? Kris sounds less than fired up? Something new here? The cover fiasco? In whose mind – not mine. Just nerves and miscomm, but I haven’t the whole story on that. I canno see it matters tho’.

  186. This has turned into an adam fanboard’ ¦you have to be blind not to see it’ ¦

    Adam is my preference, but I really, really like Kris. I like his single and I hope for him to be spectacularly successful.

    As great as Kris is during a long-form interview, he is fabulously bad in these short-hitters. He’s lucky if he gets more than a handful of questions. He has got to knock those out of the park.

    One of two things must be true. Either:

    1) Kris is not happy with his single or album; or
    2) Kris is happy with it, but not comfortable with self-promotion.

    Unfortunately for Kris, though, even if #2 is true, he’s giving off the impression (outside the AI bubble) that it’s #1.

    Kris will learn how to do these interviews eventually. He’s just off to a rough start.

  187. Kris’ interviews tend to vary on how comfortable he is with the interviewer, and by whether they ask the same tired questions. He has given some very good interviews, case in point being the ones with Slezak and Cantiello. Because he knows Ryan pretty well, and Ryan seems to like him personally, I thought this interview this morning would be better. Maybe Kris was just too tired to process what he wanted to say — it was only 7 a.m. local time when he was on-air, which means he probably had to get up at around 5 a.m. Considering that musicians usually work late hours, it’s likely never the best idea to interview them early in the day. Still, Kris should have been more prepared to talk about what he had worked on last night (he had tweeted about it and was excited in the tweet!) and about recording a song that, depending on your definition, could be considered a cover.

    I love Kris to death, but I agree that he missed a golden opportunity here to promote himself more. I don’t think the interview will necessarily hurt him — people don’t usually buy music based off someone’s interview — and Kris always comes off as such a nice guy even when he’s rather vague about his music — but a really strong interview might have helped him gain some more interest among people who don’t follow AI. But then again, if the non-AI listeners heard LLWD and liked it, they might go buy it even if they thought the interview was poor. And any exposure on a major radio program (and love him or hate him, Ryan’s time slot on KIIS-FM qualifies as this) is better than being totally ignored.

  188. No, there is nothing wrong with [the kid] singing a cover,

    Nothing at all. Covers are great. Many of the grreatest bands in rock history that have made their reputations and built careers out of covers. Heck, the entire British invasion was based on English kids like John Lennon and Keith Richtards doing covers of Chicago blues artists. My god, how many legendary country artists have covered the classics from Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The really great artists in all genres all do cover songs. It’s how they “join the family of storytellers”. I have always felt that American Idol wannabee should do a lot a covers, maybe even as much as half their first albums. Why not? Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Barbara Streisand. They all knew good material was key.

    I totally support the kid doiing a cover. Whether he covers a song that’s been released or a demo from Kara DioGuardi, who cares, if it’s good stuff. I don’t understand why he is so defensive about it that he says it’s not a cover???

  189. I agree, Kris could be more enthused. Then again, he’s probably being vague because, as he said, he likes to surprise people.

    And Kris could use a PR course, too. Ryan’s interview sucked, but it could’ve gone better for Kris if he were more natural. Ryan doesn’t exude the same kinda fun aura that other people interviewing Kris do (such as Jim Cantiello and Jay Leno).

    This should probably be more about Kris’s single itself than the interview. And on that topic, yes, it is a bit weird to hear Kris do a cover still, and it really isn’t much like what he did on the show, but it’s still awesome. Love it!

  190. As of 9:15 a.m. Pacific time, LLWD has moved up to #44 overall on the ITunes Top 1000 chart. Can someone provide a link for checking the ITunes Pop Chart — I would bet that LLWD has cracked the Top 25 on that list by now.

  191. ptslittlecomment–

    No one here is being “nationalistic”. Some groups are just not as popular or known here as they are overseas. People were just talking about Hedley on another thread. I wouldn’t have known who they were if it weren’t for this AI blog. If we can’t expect the likes of Kelly Clarkson or Carrie Underwood or Daughtry to be known abroad, then why should we expect The Script to be well know in the US? They are just beginning to surface here.

    Perhaps The Script needs to give their blessings to Kris Allen’s single to appease a few. I’m more than certain they already have a thousand times over. They’re happy a good song that they wrote is being heard in the US. It’s Kris’ now, end of story.

    Jordin Sparks’ new single is a Shannon cover.

    Don’t mean a thing in the success or failure of a song.

    sorry for all the typos and errors on my previous posts. my hands can’t keep up with my head.

  192. Kris’ interviews tend to vary on how comfortable he is with the interviewer, and by whether they ask the same tired questions. He has given some very good interviews, case in point being the ones with Slezak and Cantiello.

    Yes! Totally agree! Kris definitely feeds off the energy and vibe of the person he’s with. He has great rapport and fun with guys like Cantiello and Slezak, where his low-key sense of humor really shines through. This is very common, of course (people naturally gravitate toward similar personalities and styles), and the trick for Kris will really just be to “suck it up” with the suckier interviewers (and there will be plenty!) and act as cool as he does with the Cantiello’s of the world.

  193. carmine2008

    Was it popular in the country in which it was released? It certainly didn’t reach MY country.

    I have no idea whether or not it was popular in the countries it was released in – I don’t even know if it can be bought in my country (although the Script is fairly popular here (album peaked at 15 on the charts), so it might be available). But you said that it had to be exclusively associated with the original artist – and anyone who had bought or heard the song prior to Kris’s recording of it had to associate with the Script only, because they were the ones releasing the song. I am not denying that it was obscure, I’m just saying that the people who did know it, knew it as the Script’s.

    IMO, if something is to be considered a cover wouldn’t that mean that a particular song is exclusively associated with the original artist before it was ‘covered’  by another?

  194. Wow. The cover issue is one I’m going to be putting into the “dead horse” category…and soon, I can tell.

    So much ado about nothing, really.

    These kids have a short period of time to make an album. If a good song comes their way, they take it, regardless of its origin.

    And as far as Kris’s interview with Seacrest is concerned, he initially answered “no” to the question about the cover, but then went on to acknowledge the Script. While he could have been more artful in his response, I didn’t find his answer disingenuous.

    And again, while Kris could have answered some of the questions better (saying he didn’t remember what he wrote last night was cringeworthy), it was hardly a trainwreck. Only those in the Idol bubble, who tend to pick these things apart will care. The person listening while they’re fighting traffic on their way to work? Not so much.

  195. oh man is he the worst ambassador AI ever had or what.
    his answers were embarrasing
    his future in the biz looks doomed and seems like 19 & jive are ok with that. they dont want him, they want to dispose of him asap.
    to them he’s not worth any effort so they just through him to the dogs.
    (ryan was a puppy really, total waste of great opportunity by kris)
    no PR prep, shady release date, no picture of him on the single…
    he’s a nice fellow but he’s so anemic.
    clearly he is not ready for the big time.

  196. errrrrr i have decided not to read the comments here on kris’s interviewing (or lack of interviewing) skills…frankly it doesnt bother me! i’ve never listened to interviews of my favourites singers/bands and though i used to listen to interviews by kris at the start, i’ve stopped now…

    what i’m more interested how well is LLYD doing in the i-tunes chart???

    i cant seem to access the link so can someone tell me pls?

  197. I don’t have time to totally peruse all of the comments but I can get the gist of what is being said about Kris’s less than stellar interview skills and I must wonder if any of these folks that are so upset about “poor Kris” actually watched the past season of Amercan Idol? I did and Kris was not the most glib and polished person on the show either. I would venture to say that most of the other contestants totally out shone him when it came to the speaking portions of the show. But, you know what??? Kris still won!!! I would also venture to say that this is probably part of the reason he won. He is just a genuine person that people can relate to and I,for one, hope that he never changes.

    As far as the new single, I heard the Script’s version on youtube and wasn’t crazy about it. The lyrics are pretty cheesy and I wish that Kris had been allowed to release something else but I think that his vocals really improve the song tremendously. Good Luck,Kris!!!!

  198. oh man is he the worst ambassador AI ever had or what.

    He may be many things, but he is far from that. (OTT much?)

  199. Knock off the meta talk about my blog. I’m going to start putting people who go off topic in moderation.

  200. I don’t like this single but it sounds like it could be a hit for Kris. I am not sure why they released it to itunes on a Friday. That is very unusual. The song is a cover, the script released on an album. I hope it does well for Kris. David Cook’s single LO was the subject of much mud throwing last year and has done well and has staying power. It is way to soon to tell what will happen with this song.

  201. And again, while Kris could have answered some of the questions better (saying he didn’t remember what he wrote last night was cringeworthy), it was hardly a trainwreck. Only those in the Idol bubble, who tend to pick these things apart will care. The person listening while they’re fighting traffic on their way to work? Not so much

    thank youuu MJ!! seriously back in the “real world” noone give a damn as to if he remembers the song he did previous night!

  202. cover or not, good interview or not, at the end charting and sales rule. i dont know where llwd is in itune top 100 now, but i bet it’s some place kris and his fan can be back with.

  203. If we can’t expect the likes of Kelly Clarkson or Carrie Underwood or Daughtry to be known abroad, then why should we expect The Script to be well know in the US? They are just beginning to surface here.

    Goes to my original point. I agree. But I have seen posts here saying “nobody knew this song” when some folks – the minority true – did. Whether it is known or not doesn’t change the song’s classification.

    Jordin Sparks’ new single is a Shannon cover.

    Actually I think it just samples the song, but regardless, it wasn’t Jordin’s first song after winning a kareoke reality show. Again, had The Script song been the second or third release by Kris I don’t think it would have been as big an issue.

  204. H

    ere’s a link to the iTunes Top Pop Songs feed, girlygirl. LLWD has cracked the Top 20 in the Pop store, and currently sits at #19 there.

    whooooo hooooo!!!! not bad on its first day huh?

  205. It’s currently #48

    Nice. This morning when I checked it was #88. Probally by the eod today, it’ll climb to top 10. well done Kris and Jive!!

  206. Brooke White has a cover of Use Somebody on her album, if that is released I’m sure it won’t be an issue because it wasn’t the first single. I love covers myself and I like LLWD but I do wish it was not his first single. Not that I was familiar with it before hand but more so that there would not have been a cloud over his first release. An original song would have been all about Kris and not about Kris and the Script.

  207. Justic

    Kris is far from being the “worst ambassador” AI has ever had. Everyone loves the guy personally and he has made a few very influential admirers in the music world. He isn’t likely to ever get involved in any type of scandal and he isn’t ever going to turn into a diva making ridiculous demands.

    And considering LLWD has already cracked the Top 20 on the ITunes Pop Chart (and is in the Top 50 overall), I think 19/Jive would be pretty happy with Kris, even if he isn’t the most articulate interviewee at times.

    Ladymadonna

    Thanks very much for the link to the live feed to the pop chart.

  208. Speaking for myself, I could care less if Kris’ single was self-written, by the Script, by Perry Como, or Fidel Castro. I like it. I bought it. I listen to it. I’m thrilled the people moving his single up the charts so quickly feel the same.

    Regarding his interviewing skills? I for one never want him to change – this is what I find refreshing about him. He is genuine, unprocessed, un “auto-tuned”. I don’t base my listening choices on how someone sounds in a 5-minute interview, and I don’t pick apart every little thing they may or may not say. If the person is an asshole? Yeah, that might influence what I listen to. Clearly Kris doesn’t fall into that category.

    I’m going to go hug puppies now because I’m incredibly excited for Kris.

  209. Thanks for all the informative links, Ladymadonna. Warms my heart to see a big fan of DC offer support to other AI artists. It really shouldn’t be surprising, though, as I’m a huge DC fan and seem to be able to enjoy the music of others as well. Go figure. Again thanks.

  210. Who cares about the interview. Susan Boyles has had complete meltdowns and it doesn’t seem to effect her sales-not that I would buy it. Many people have said Chris D. has the personality of douche. Yet, he sells big. Also, Adam has already said he may have a cover on his album-we are all hoping for ROF. My only concern is the music industry giving Kris respect which is what he says he wants. Coming out with a cover as the first single and having the dead weight around his neck of being an AI guy may cause the industry to “laugh” at him as some have said earlier. That could cause good writers and producers to steer clear.

  211. Regardless of how the song came about it is rising up the charts and it will make money and that is the bottom line.

    Best of luck to Kris on his entire album. I honestly believe he will do well.

  212. Speaking for myself, I could care less if Kris’ single was self-written, by the Script, by Perry Como, or Fidel Castro.

    possibly my fave post ever :) its fun on this board to dissect every single aspect of what the Idols do, but realistically, nobody in the real world gives a shyt about the details. if its good song, people will buy/listen to it. period.

  213. Since LLWD was produced by two of the credited writer/producers, I can’t imagine that the band members themselves have a problem with Kris doing the song. If they had, we probably would have heard something by now. That would be a story. For me, For you, this is all one big marketing strategy cooked up by 19/Jive/RCA for some cross-selling of their artists. As long as the song is a hit on the charts all sides win.

  214. I just listened to the interview – and I actually think it came across ok. Certainly nothing trainwrecky – in fact, it came across as “pure Kris” imo. Maybe not the humor that comes out in some of the other interviews he has done, but then again Ryan wasn’t exactly opening the door for much humor either.

  215. Regarding his interviewing skills? I for one never want him to change ‘“ this is what I find refreshing about him. He is genuine, unprocessed, un ‘auto-tuned’ . I don’t base my listening choices on how someone sounds in a 5-minute interview,

    same here…..i can honestly say ive never paid much attention to the interview or interviewing skills of my fave musicians (beck, radiohead, muse, james morrison, coldplay, kings of leon etc) ….and some of the people i have enjoyed (like kelli pickler), i have nerver bought their music.

  216. Who cares about the interview.

    Well since it now has it own post, some do!Hehe

  217. Kris is #43 right now on Itunes which is good, and I’m happy for him, but what is more impressive to me is that last time I checked Cowboy Casanova was up to number 2. I don’t know if she can knock off Miley but still that is super impressive for Carrie. Reminds you how Adam and Kris really haven’t achieved anything yet despite all of the internet hype.

  218. Now #41 on iTunes. Very impressive with almost no airplay and just depending on the Idol fanbase. I didn’t even see an ad on iTunes.

  219. Reminder:

    Posts that dis or dissect Kris’s FANS will be deleted. That’s NOT the topic. Stick to discussing Kris’s single.

  220. For me, For you, this is all one big marketing strategy cooked up by 19/Jive/RCA for some cross-selling of their artists. As long as the song is a hit on the charts all sides win.

    I think that’s it, in a nutshell.

  221. “For me, For you, this is all one big marketing strategy cooked up by 19/Jive/RCA for some cross-selling of their artists. As long as the song is a hit on the charts all sides win.

    “I think that’s it, in a nutshell.” — MJ

    I’ve been saying this ’til I’m blue in the face. Maybe they’ll listen now.

  222. Because carmine2008 asked — Some songs that were fairly obscure in their original versions covered — and in these cases made a lot more famous — by somebody else; if you listed the obscure covers that *don’t* become particularly famous, there’d be gazillions more):

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CoveredUp

    * “Valerie,” originally performed by The Zutons, is better known as a song by Amy Winehouse.
    * “Tainted Love”, often thought of as a song about AIDS, first came out in 1964. Ed Cobb wrote and Gloria Jones sang the original version. (Thank you, The Other Wiki!) Soft Cell, of course, immortalized the song, with Marilyn Manson’s cover likely the second best known.
    * Barrett Strong’s “Money (That’s What I Want)” (written by Janie Brafford and Berry Gordy) appeared as a single in 1959. The Flying Lizards angular New Wave cover version had much more success than the original but The Beatles also covered it.
    * The song “The First Cut Is The Deepest” has been covered so many times, no one remembers it was originally Cat Stevens.
    * Many They Might Be Giants fans don’t know that “Istanbul (Not Constantinople)” was originally done in 1953 by the Four Lads. The song had been covered many times by the time TMBG did their famous version.

    * “Can’t Get Enough Of You Baby” was not originally by Smash Mouth. The Toys were the first to record it way back in 1965, and the 4 Seasons and ? and the Mysterians soon after that.

    * Aretha Franklin’s “Respect” was originally written and performed by Otis Redding.

    * Toni Basil’s song “Mickey” is a Gender Flipped cover of the song “Kitty” by the obscure British band Racey. Because the song is about feeling sexual desire for someone who won’t put out, the song takes on a different meaning when the genders are reversed.

    * “Torn”, as performed by Natalie Imbruglia, is a cover of a song written by the obscure band Ednaswap. (Many of Ednaswap’s members were ‘” and still are ‘” successful songwriters that wrote for other performers.)
    * “Don’t Cha”, by the Pussycat Dolls? Also a cover ‘” of a song first recorded by Tori Alamaze, one year before the Pussycat Dolls performed it.

    o And speaking of Metallica, how many of their fans know that “Turn the Page” is a Bob Seger cover?

    * This happens to Tom Waits a lot. For example, “Jersey Girl” was his song, originally, but most people know the Springsteen cover. This also happened when The Eagles covered “Ol’ ’55”, when The Ramones covered “I Don’t Wanna Grow Up” (he has since covered two of their songs), and with a particularly odious cover of “Downtown Train” by Rod Stewart.

    * Very few people know that two songs on Black Sabbath’s first album, “Warning” and “Evil Woman”, are covers of respectively The Aynsley Dunbar Retaliation and Crow.

    * UB40’s version of “Red Red Wine” was a cover of Tony Tribe’s version, which was itself a cover. Neil Diamond wrote and recorded the original, as well as a more upbeat version inspired by UB40’s cover.

    * Some country fans recognize the song “When You Say Nothing At All” as a beautiful song by Alison Krauss & Union Station, and are surprised to learn that its first release was on a tribute to the late Keith Whitley, who both wrote and sang it in the ’80s’ ¦when country wasn’t cool.

    * Though Garth Brooks is an accomplished songwriter, his career was launched off a cover: “The Dance” was originally sung and written by little-known country artist Tony Arata.
    o Another of Brooks’ biggest hits, “Friends in Low Places,” was originally recorded by Mark Chesnutt.

    * R.E.M. covered an obscure song by The Clique, “Superman”, on one of their albums, and many people think it’s by them
    * Many of Limp Bizkit’s fans didn’t know that “Faith” was originally performed by George Michael.

    * You might know that Milli Vanilli weren’t the original singers of “Girl You Know It’s True”. (You’re more likely to know that they didn’t sing it at all.) But few remember the original performers, Numarx.

    * How many Eric Clapton fans have heard the original versions of “Crossroads” or “I Shot The Sheriff”? Or were even aware that there were original versions (by Robert Johnson and Bob Marley, respectively)?

    * Louie Louie was not written by the Kingsmen. Nor was it improved or rescued from obscurity by them. It was written and recorded in 1956 by Rick Berry and the Pharaohs, and was very popular in the rock and roll community around Seattle and Tacoma (and in those communities, the Kingsmen’s version wasn’t even the most popular – it was the one by the soon-to-be-famous Paul Revere and the Raiders). All the Kingsmen did was to make it visible to the white youth market across the US, and slur the vocals so much that the lyrics could not be understood, making it sound naughty and subversive.

    * There are people twice this troper’s age that don’t know Santana’s “Black Magic Woman” was originally a Fleetwood Mac song.
    o Then again, some of those people probably don’t even know that there was a Fleetwood Mac before Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham joined the band, or that Rumors is about their tenth album. The fact that the band’s own compilations ignore this fact doesn’t help.

    * Quiet Riot’s covers of “Cum On Feel The Noize” and “Mama Weer All Crazee Now,” both originally by ’70s British rock band Slade.

    * Rita Coolidge’s recording of “We’re All Alone” is probably the most commonly known, but the song was originally written and performed by Boz Scaggs for his 1976 album Silk Degrees. Coolidge’s version came out a year later.

    * “I Go Blind” by Hootie and the Blowfish is actually a cover of a song by 80’s Canadian alternative rock group 54-40.

    + Let us not forget his cover of “You Can Leave Your Hat On” from the movie 9 1/2 Weeks. The song was written, and originally performed, by Randy Newman.
    + And speaking of Randy Newman, he also did “Mama Told Me Not to Come” before Three Dog Night.

    o Similarly, no, “Sweet Dreams” wasn’t originally from Marilyn Manson; Eurythmics get that particular credit.

    * “Fancy” was originally written and recorded by Bobbie Gentry in 1969; then covered by Reba McEntire in 1990, accompanied by a popular music video.

    * Another big one. Billy Ray Cyrus’ debut single ‘” you know, “Achy Breaky Heart” ‘” was originally recorded by an obscure act called the Marcy Brothers. Their version was called “Don’t Tell My Heart.”

    * Bjork’s single “It’s Oh So Quiet” is a renamed cover of the less well known Betty Hutton song “Blow A Fuse”.
    * “Sloop John B”, made famous by the Beach Boys, is actually a West Indies folk song dating back to at least 1917 (originally titled “Wreck of the John B”). The band did rework the tune pretty radically, however, so it could almost count as an original composition. (In fact, Brian Wilson is the only songwriter credited for the tune.)

    * While “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun” is typically thought of as a “girl power”-type song because of Cyndi Lauper’s success with the song, some might be surprised to learn that it was originally written by a man and was originally sung from a male perspective…..

    etc. etc. etc. I’ll shut up about this now.

  223. ‘For me, For you, this is all one big marketing strategy cooked up by 19/Jive/RCA for some cross-selling of their artists. As long as the song is a hit on the charts all sides win.

    ‘I think that’s it, in a nutshell.’  ‘” MJ

    I’ve been saying this ’til I’m blue in the face. Maybe they’ll listen now.

    I agree with all of the above.

  224. evanjane: I’ve been saying this ’til I’m blue in the face. Maybe they’ll listen now.

    Where we be… oops, sorry got distracted for a while there.

    Yay Kris! I hope he does super well. The only thing I dislike about the single is the bridge. The chorus is very catchy.

  225. Eileen99 — hey, wouldn’t it be funny if Castro and Perry Como did a DUET on, oh I dunno, “You Can Leave Your Hat On”??

    thanks for the wonderfully surreal image that will give me a chuckle throughout the day….

  226. wow Lucy! you sure have done a lot of research! now everyone can just dump the whole cover argument in a big fat dustbin :)

  227. Lucy, just ummm thanks. Covers aren’t bad at all. The most telling, I think, is Aretha’s anthem having been performed by someone who was a God to me, and who died way too young. Oh and Robert Johnson? I heart you for that!

  228. by the way what happened to all the smileys! i liked the flushing down toilet (which i couldve used for my earlier post) but its no longer there :(

  229. As posted on other Kris thread, but in case you haven’t read it:

    Latest Kris tweet:

    YO THE SCRIPT, I’M HAPPY FOR YOU AND I’MMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT I HAVE THE BEST VERSION OF LIVE LIKE WE’RE DYING OF ALL TIME!3 minutes ago from web

    ROTFL

  230. y’know, one other thing.

    I love baseball. I worship certain baseball players. Most of them absolutely stink at giving interviews, and look like they’ve been stun-gunned if somebody puts a mike at their mouth.

    sure, Kris is an entertainer and has to accomodate and learn how deal with press stuff. But y’know what? It’s only recently that we had this mad crazy number of celebrity radio shows, cable shows, talk shows, websites, etc and the musicians have to genuflect and be scintillating for all of them.

    the boy is not a public speaker, but he’s a fine musician. maybe we’ll get better music out of these people if they don’t spend half their time getting interviewed – which usually means answering the same questions ad nauseum.

    my brief impression of Kris from seeing him at a meet’n greet was that he’s shy. Not cripplingly shy, obviously, but not a gladhander and a little awkward socially. From what I’ve heard, Carrie’s like that too (or was, when she first hit the bigtime), and so are a lot of gifted musical people. So can’t the job just about doing the music rather than talking about it — AND your love life. AND your favorite food. AND briefs or boxer…..

    I know, I know — that’s just the way it is…..but there a re few people (Bob Dylan for one) who has gotten a lot of mileage out of doing very little press….not that I’m comparing Kris to him! oh criminy, you know what I mean….

  231. Can anybody tell me what the iTunes charts mean? What period of time do they measure? Is it just sales this calendar week, or is it some sort of rolling time period (like sales in the last X days..)?

  232. thanks mj, you said it all

    however, regarding

    saying he didn’t remember what he wrote last night was cringeworthy

    he said that to start but afterward went on to give the general idea of what he was writing about

  233. suebrody
    September 25, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    As posted on other Kris thread, but in case you haven’t read it:

    Latest Kris tweet:

    YO THE SCRIPT, I’M HAPPY FOR YOU AND I’MMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT I HAVE THE BEST VERSION OF LIVE LIKE WE’RE DYING OF ALL TIME!3 minutes ago from web

    ROTFL

    I don’t think so. Look at his Twitter. I don’t see it there, do you?

    http://twitter.com/KRISALLEN4REAL

  234. Latest Kris tweet:

    YO THE SCRIPT, I’M HAPPY FOR YOU AND I’MMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT I HAVE THE BEST VERSION OF LIVE LIKE WE’RE DYING OF ALL TIME!3 minutes ago from web

    ROTFL

    suebrody! from where did u get this from since its not in twitter

  235. Somebody made a fake twitter account…. KrisAllen4reai – but when you capitalize the last ‘i’ it looks like ‘l’ and therefore gets confused with the real account. For awhile there, the fake account was reposting a bunch of Kris’s real tweets – somebody has too much time on their hands. The fake account even has the same background and avatar…

  236. I’m not suebrody, but I can answer — Somebody posted it over on the other Kris thread. I can’t remember who. But I checked and … not so, apparently. it would be very cool if it *were* real. But looks like it isn’t.

    I don’t get why people like to make stuff up on the Internet. Well, maybe I do. But it’s alarming to think how many people apparently spend much of their time thinking of ways to pull other people’s chains. Urg.

  237. Can anybody tell me what the iTunes charts mean? What period of time do they measure? Is it just sales this calendar week, or is it some sort of rolling time period (like sales in the last X days..)?

    iTunes doesn’t publish the specific methodology behind their top-sellers lists, so there is much speculation amongst chart-watchers about the exact timeframe represented. It is clearly a rolling chart, and general consensus is that it captures sales over a rolling period of somewhere between 24-hours to 2-3 days. I tend to believe the timeframe represented is on the shorter end of that range based on how quickly hot new releases and TV-fueled spikes tend to be visible on the feeds. But there are people out there who have analyzed chart fluctuations and believe it may even represent a rolling week.

    iTunes Top-sellers lists are nothing more than a relative gauge to see how well an item is selling at a given time compared to everything else in the iTunes store. Ultimately the numbers that matter are the final published sales figures and chart positions, which are released on Wednesdays and represent the previous seven day Monday-Sunday timeframe.

  238. @kt_cle

    As far as I can tell the I-tunes chart (I-tunes 200) where Kris is currently number 35 is for today only.

  239. Is anybody else surprised that there’s no preferred placement of LLWD on the iTunes store front page? I didn’t necessarily expect to see it at the top, but underneath the top section there is a music link that you can toggle between 12 featured albums and 12 featured singles. And from the 12 singles there’s a link to ‘see all’… not in that list either.

    I have no idea how these things work. Is that preferred placement something that the label does for just a day or 2? If so, I guess I can see why they’d hold off and use that placement as a way of extending the initial push of PR, rather than blow it all today.

    Lots of smart people here – somebody has to know something about how this works…

  240. That Kris tweet that’s being discussed is fake. The account that it’s coming from is not spelled correctly. The last “L” in the account name is actually a capital “I”. Nice trick.

  241. Thanks ladymadonna and lob. I agree that it seems to be a relatively short timespan, given how quickly things rise and fall…. and maybe that answers my question above about product placement. If the span is short, than you want a consistent flow of PR to keep the song on the charts for awhile, rather than a burst that dies out in a couple days. Even without that up front placement, the song is steadily climbing today.

  242. For me, For you, this is all one big marketing strategy cooked up by 19/Jive/RCA for some cross-selling of their artists. As long as the song is a hit on the charts all sides win.

    I agree this is a win-win if it is a hit; and a win for The Script even if it isn’t a hit. (Although it will be a hit.) However, I don’t think it was a “secret plot” to promote The Script. I think Jive/19R were trying to replicate “Light On”:

    1. Last year, David Cook had a huge hit with “Light On” which was co-written by Chris Cornell and Brian Howes for Chris Cornell’s album but wasn’t used.

    2. “The Script” are one of the hottest bands from the UK/IRE and they have a similar sound to Kris.

    3. Jive/19R wanted to recreate “Light On” and looked for similar songs from artists that were in genre’s like Kris’. Kris said they heard this song in May — so they get it in the beginning of the album process.

    I think it’s just a bonus that this is a great PR opportunity for RCA’s hottest London based act who is working on breaking into the US market.

    Big question: If they had this song last May, why didn’t they have Kris record it and release it in June when NoBo tanked?

  243. From Ryan Seacrest twitter:

    Today Kris allen told me his wife has to drop him off and pick him up at work now because they only have one car in LA 16 minutes ago from UberTwitter

    Why do I find this cute? Little anecdotes like this would be good for interviews.

  244. I don’t think it’s just pedantry. Somebody else wrote and recorded this song, it is their work, obscure or not and they deserve credit for it. I think Kris/Jive/19 whoever are making a big mistake by trying to downplay what the song really is. Honesty is always the best policy.

    Pedants may be a strong word, but I do agree with this to an extent. I don’t believe anyone is trying to hide that this was a “Script” song. I could also see how Kris doesn’t consider it a cover. How many peeps have heard of the song before last week? Probably Script fans, but not the general public. Perhaps the Script will be acknowledged on the album, at least the writers obviously will be.

    The song, imo, now belongs to Kris Allen. He does an amazing job with it!!! No need to pound the cover issue into the ground.

    As for Ryan, I feel sorry for the guy. He’s like the bully on the playground who doesn’t like himself so he needs to make others look foolish. IMO, he still is running away from the chunky kid he was growing up. The way Ryan keeps AI running smoothly is admirable and should be acknowledged, but the couple of interviews I’ve heard from him are not good.

  245. As for Ryan, I feel sorry for the guy. He’s like the bully on the playground who doesn’t like himself so he needs to make others look foolish.

    Wow. Poor Ryan indeed. Because I don’t get this vibe at all. I thought Ryan was just doing his job during Kris’ interview. I did not sense any malice. Just a bit clueless. But nothing to make a villain out of Ryan imo.

  246. Is anybody else surprised that there’s no preferred placement of LLWD on the iTunes store front page? I didn’t necessarily expect to see it at the top, but underneath the top section there is a music link that you can toggle between 12 featured albums and 12 featured singles. And from the 12 singles there’s a link to ‘see all” ¦ not in that list either.

    Not surprising since the plan was to release this song on Tuesday, and the moved it up to today at the “last minute”. So any planned promotion wouldn’t have been for today.

    I don’t know what Jive/19R usually do for promotion but some parts of the iTunes homepage are ad tiles and the lists are not and are based on sales.

    IAC the whole Kris marketing/promo/PR effort seems half-assed to me. My memory of Jordin’s and Archie’s releases is hazy but I don’t remember ever thinking it wasn’t properly planned and managed. Maybe someone else remembers what happened last year for Archie.

  247. Big question: If they had this song last May, why didn’t they have Kris record it and release it in June when NoBo tanked?

    Maybe so it would peak closer to the album release. I think with Archie’s “Crush” it was actually losing spins when the album dropped so it did not help (as much as it could have).

    I’m trying to figure out if Jive is going to push singles (ala Jordon) or albums.

  248. that acoustic version that was posted is ok. the guy did well with the verses, but completely fell apart during the rap chorus.

    it’ll be interesting to see kris do an acoustic version of the song. that chorus will give him trouble, though, i’m betting on. an acoustic version of that song will probably appeal more to those fans of his that fell in love with his singer/songwriter vibe. too bad they felt the need to “pop” him up for mainstream radio so much.

  249. He’s like the bully on the playground who doesn’t like himself so he needs to make others look foolish.

    Could you please explain how he made Kris Allen (or anybody else) look foolish? Only controversial question in this interview was the question about first single being the cover of another song – but it’s a valid question, without any insulting or degrading subtext. And IT IS a cover, after all. All other questions were soft and light and absolutely in Kris’s favour, but I guess Kris was too tired to answer well.

  250. Not surprising since the plan was to release this song on Tuesday, and the moved it up to today at the ‘last minute’ .

    How last minute was it? Kris tweetered about it being released on friday. Seems like he knew on monday that was going to happen. Jim was the one who gave us the Tuesday date.

    IAC the whole Kris marketing/promo/PR effort seems half-assed to me. My memory of Jordin’s and Archie’s releases is hazy but I don’t remember ever thinking it wasn’t properly planned and managed. Maybe someone else remembers what happened last year for Archie.

    From what I remember there isn’t much difference. The only thing is that Jordin’s and Archie’s song were on itunes on tuesday, so they had full week to sell. Everything else seems the same.
    Actually, I don’t remember Archie going on KIIS, but not sure about that one.
    To me, he’s getting better opportunities at this time in the single’s life than Cook got for the first single.

  251. So can’t the job just about doing the music rather than talking about it ‘” AND your love life. AND your favorite food. AND briefs or boxer’ ¦..

    I somewhat agree with this. But, I think when you come from American Idol, you’ve already kind of made it not only about the music. American Idol is in essence, about both the personality as well as the music. That’s probably why to some of us, as AI fans, the interview lacked something.

  252. Q3
    I agree with your post. I think this is a good song for Kris and I am hoping it will be successful. I always thought that David’s path is a good one for Kris to follow. I hope his team realize that there is a model for success with Kris in David Cook. They don’t make the same type of music but David’s path is proven and Kris IMO would do well if he followed something similar.

  253. Thanks, Lucy, for that great list and mini history. I used to listen to Coverville daily (I subscribe to the podcast) and it’s both fun and interesting to hear the original versions of songs when they were written and the remakes by various artists.

    ‘Tainted Love’ is one I had to keep looking up and listening to various versions. Though the original was by a female, it seemed that every male rock band in my youth played it. I love the song.

    As far as Kris is concerned, I would have liked for him tho have his first single release be something he had written or co-wrote exclusively for him. But I’m ok with this song and I think it’s going to do well.

    On the KIIS/Ryan Seacrest interview, I listened to it live and then I listened to the stripped online Celebrity Interview version they have up. That Kris did as well as he did in answering Ryan’s questions is a miracle.

    For starters, Ryan’s show and the music he plays pretty much suck. He was all over the place in the format – playing Miley Cyrus (I think this was the first time I was subjected to listening to a full song from her) to switching to tween call in shout outs to their middle-school friends, to a field reporter at the Michael Jackson tribute movie (?) and then all of a sudden a question to Kris, who I had no idea was still in the studio.

    It made no sense and if I were Kris I would have been thinking, ‘WTF?’ Ryan uses an interrogator style similar to Geraldo Rivera, which is just bizarre and there was no cohesion to what was going on and the sudden questions.

    Go Kris and I can’t wait for you to do some real interviews regarding this song and your album.

  254. I don’t think it’s just pedantry. Somebody else wrote and recorded this song, it is their work, obscure or not and they deserve credit for it. I think Kris/Jive/19 whoever are making a big mistake by trying to downplay what the song really is. Honesty is always the best policy.

    cookcricket: Pedants may be a strong word, but I do agree with this to an extent. I don’t believe anyone is trying to hide that this was a ‘Script’  song. I could also see how Kris doesn’t consider it a cover. How many peeps have heard of the song before last week? Probably Script fans, but not the general public. Perhaps the Script will be acknowledged on the album, at least the writers obviously will be.

    LLWD is a cover, it was written by members of “The Script” and their producers, and Andrew Frampton and Steve Kipner produced both the original “The Script” recording and Kris’ recording. Here are the credits:

    “Live Like We’re Dying” was written by Andrew Frampton, Steve Kipner, Daniel O’Donoghue, and Mark Sheehan

    “The Script” band is composed of: Danny O’Donoghue, Mark Sheehan, and Glen Power

    The orignal “The Script” recording and part of “The Script” album was produced by Andrew Frampton and Steve Kipner

    What is Kris supposed to say? It is a cover, and The Script created and recorded the song. Kris’ version isn’t even a new arrangement and the producers and the production is essentially same. I can’t come up with a great PR answer for him — maybe someone else can.

    And regarding “no one” being aware of the original recording — it was on YouTube and MySpace, and available on Amazon US before Kris recorded it. Jive/19R had to know that people would listen to the original recording.

    I think that Kris deserved better than this for his first single and that Jive/19R blew it.

    I also think that there is no way to support “The Script” is an obscure band — they aren’t.

  255. I think that Jive made some mistakes with Archie in pushing his single out way too early. And Jordin’s situation was different because she wasn’t officially signed since her father wanted to be sure about the contract. And then you have Kris – who’s release and signing are more like what we’ve seen for the winners before.

    It’s interesting when you think about it that Jive has signed the teenagers (Jordin, Archie and Allison) and the married guy. It makes me think that they are the label for those AI alums that have families that are more directly involved in their lives.

  256. Billboard gave Kris’ single a really strong review — even if they did mistakenly call The Script’s original version “unreleased”

    I can’t find the link for the review, but someone posted the review in the headlines thread

  257. “I think that Jive made some mistakes with Archie in pushing his single out way too early.”

    Archie sold so many downloads of Crush the first week, the song went to #2 on the BB Hot 100 with little radio play. It set some kind of record (I’m too lazy to look it up) so I’m not sure how that hurt Archie.

    Even though Crush never got as high on the Top 40 chart as Tattoo, it has sold close to two million downloads so it was a pretty big hit. I could see complaining about Archie’s album and the second single but Jive did a good job with Crush.

    The cover conversation is hurting my head. And no I don’t think Ryan was acting assy or like a bully. He has to talk to Kris about something. And I don’t think the interview was a trainwreck, Kris is just an ultra laid back guy.

  258. I think this is a good song for Kris and I am hoping it will be successful. I always thought that David’s path is a good one for Kris to follow. I hope his team realize that there is a model for success with Kris in David Cook. They don’t make the same type of music but David’s path is proven and Kris IMO would do well if he followed something similar.

    ITA as well – I always imagined Kris as a very similar winner to Cook last year – and I think marketing him along the same lines would be a wise move.

  259. The thread’s too long to read D: the album artwork is HORRIBLE.um ewwwww .I FLOVE llwd.going to buy it now…

  260. I’ve said from the begining I think kris will have as much success as David cook.maybe I’m right maybe im wrong.I hope I’m wrong because honestly IMHO david cook is not THAT well-known.other than being yknow an American idol.but he is still succesful….

  261. I think that Kris deserved better than this for his first single and that Jive/19R blew it.

    I also think that there is no way to support ‘The Script’  is an obscure band ‘” they aren’t.

    Perhaps Kris could have done better for his first single, but this one is pretty awesome imo. I strongly believe one of the best an idol winner has released.

    I find it hard to believe that the average person from the US has heard of “The Script”, they’re still up and coming here.

    However, the song is definitely obscure. That is until now–now that Kris is recorded it as a single.

  262. The thread’s too long to read D: the album artwork is HORRIBLE.um ewwwww

    I just thought the same thing – shouldn’t it have a pic of Kris? Still not getting this lack of Kris imagery associated with Kris’s single :-( The artwork makes me think of Communist Russia for some reason…

  263. Perhaps Kris could have done better for his first single, but this one is pretty awesome imo. I strongly believe one of the best an idol winner has released.

    I believe so as well – like Slezak said, this is pretty strong for an idol first single, certainly by their usual standards.

  264. It makes no difference that Kris recorded a cover…and he will be eligable for awards if earned…

    lucy
    Love all the info on covers we may have forgetton earlier in the thread.

    I think one very very famous cover and a song often attempted on AI is “I Will Always Love You’ made famous by Whitney Houston but originally written and recorded by Dolly Parton in 1974.

    I had no idea this was a Dolly song till years after it was a Whitney hit and she won:
    Soul Train Music, MTV Favorite New Music Video and Billboard Music Awards:
    -Top Selling Album of 1993 – The Bodyguard
    -Top Pop Single of the Year – “I Will Always Love You”
    -Top Selling Single of the Year – “I Will Always Love You”
    -Hot R&B Single – “I Will Always Love You”
    -Hot R&B Singles Sales – “I Will Always Love You”
    -Special Award for 14 weeks at #1 with “I Will Always Love You” (a record at that time)

  265. but whitney made the song her own.

    kris’ LLWD not so much. or to be more accurate, not at all!

  266. ilovetohateai
    You are correct – Kris’ version is EXACTLY the same as The Script – good point.
    as I check off one in the pro and con column for you…

  267. Could you please explain how he made Kris Allen (or anybody else) look foolish? Only controversial question in this interview was the question about first single being the cover of another song ‘“ but it’s a valid question, without any insulting or degrading subtext. And IT IS a cover, after all. All other questions were soft and light and absolutely in Kris’s favour, but I guess Kris was too tired to answer well.

    TwigLA:

    It made no sense and if I were Kris I would have been thinking, ‘WTF?’ Ryan uses an interrogator style similar to Geraldo Rivera, which is just bizarre and there was no cohesion to what was going on and the sudden questions.

    I believe Twig explained it quite well in her post.

    Wasn’t the purpose of this to promote the single? Nothing Ryan asked promoted a thing. Also, the way he asked about the ‘cover’ was like a covert sneak attack, he could have asked about it in a different way.

  268. I just downloaded Kris’ song so imma give my 129 cents. First of all, I will preface this by saying I am an Adam fan and have never downloaded one song of Kris’ all through the competition, only because none of his songs really did anything for me ( and I was sick of Heartless by the time he sang it anyway).

    This is a good solid hit. No one gives a flying fuck but us tards whether it is a cover or a cover of a cover of a cover. No one gives a shit if Kris is a bad interviewer or if Ryan is a meanie. All that counts is whether it is a good song. And it is.

    Do I want to play it over and over and over? No. But when it comes on shuffle I will enjoy it and hum along to it. I might even play it a coupe of times a day ;)

    Having said that, I also downloaded, per someone’s suggestion that song by Jacob Haggard- Old School. Now THAT song I love! That one I will play over and over and over. So thank you whoever the hell that was.

    I can only hope that Adam has a nice solid hit. No one is going to give a flying fuck how the media is salivating over him if his song is a big ole steaming pile of poo. And if it is, I won’t be buying it.

    I guess I just wanna say congrats Kris fans, and don’t sweat the small stuff. It’s a really good song.

  269. I guess I just wanna say congrats Kris fans, and don’t sweat the small stuff. It’s a really good song.

    Awww, thanks for that Studio57! :D

  270. The really sad part for me of Lucy’s list of famous “covers” is that I’m old enough to remember the really old “originals”, and prefer them to the newer versions!
    On the other hand, I’d never heard of The Script until three days ago — and I made a point of not listening to their version before Kris’ came out. So, as far as I’m concerned now, Kris’ is the ONLY version I will know – and I bet there’s lots of people out there in my situation.
    I love this song! –And intend to buy it as soon as itunes Canada gets around to listing it, darn them. (Haven’t checked for the last hour to see if it’s there yet, maybe it’s time to look again…)

  271. I like LLWD even more now that I have the higher quality version. It’s hella catchy, and it totally fits Kris. It’s cruising up the iTunes chart as we speak. I’m not worried for Kris, this song is gonna do really well.

    And I think those of us that really like Kris and want him to do well are more worried about whether having a cover for his first single will affect his credibility in any way. The bulk of the people outside of the AI bubble buying the song don’t know, or if they know they don’t care. They have no stake in any lingering fanwar, they are just responding to the great music.

  272. I’ve said from the begining I think kris will have as much success as David cook.maybe I’m right maybe im wrong.I hope I’m wrong because honestly IMHO david cook is not THAT well-known.other than being yknow an American idol.but he is still succesful’ ¦.

    David Cook is the best selling new artist for this chart year, he is selling out concerts and his concert tour has been extended again and again and again. His album is platinum he has two platinum singles off the album. Both of his music videos were # 1 on Vh1 countdown. He has had three top ten singles from this one album in the top ten of HAC. He released a charity single that raised around 100,000 dollars for his charity on top of the 133,000 dollars that was collected when he entered the race for the cure.

    So it would be a real shame if Kris was able to have this kind of success, I would feel really sorry for him.

  273. No one gives a flying fuck but us tards whether it is a cover or a cover of a cover of a cover.

    I know this horse as been well beaten and as an animal lover, I certainly don’t condone that type of behavior. But this statement, the sentiment of which has been repeated numerous times here, I think is not correct. True, most radio listeners will not care (or likely even know) that this song is a near carbon copy of the song that the Script recorded.

    But music lovers, those that pay attention to artists and their creations, will definitely care. Because there is a standard of musicality at play here. Of course, many music lovers dismiss AI right off the bat since it is seen as elevating mediocre performers who sing 2 minute versions of covers beyond their actual talents. So, for Kris’s very first single to also be a cover, one that he didn’t even rework, which was his big claim to fame on the show, definitely matters to those who appreciate artistry. In the end, this segment of the population might be negligible compared to the radio masses. I don’t know the answer to that. Time will tell. But I just couldn’t let that statement go by without qualifying it. It is not only AI board bloggers that care about these things.

  274. I hope Kris well have as much success as David C. I love his music and he seems like a great guy. I wish I could go to a concert of his.

  275. Where do I find the info about the song climbing the charts. When I looked at Itunes it was not on the top 100 page. There has to be a link that everyone is looking at. where is it? Also, where is the one that shows top pop or whatever and what is the difference in the one that comes up when I pull up itunes?

  276. Here is the feed: http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9903441/limit=0000/rss.xml

    The way you pull up the most recent update is to change the 9903441 number to any other number in the address and refresh and you will get the latest number. Kris is currently at # 29 on this feed.

    Here is the pop feed: http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9903441/genre=14/limit=0000/rss.xml

    The itunes feed on the itunes site is not updated as fast as these feeds.

  277. I noticed that several of the covers look similar to Kris’s. Is this the new thing??

  278. Got my download and love it. Of course, I really just love Kris’s voice so no matter the song I am going to love it. But, this one surprised me. I was not expecting a kind of rap vibe to his first song and thought he did it very, very well. He certainly has an interesting mix of music. Can’t wait for the entire album to release.

  279. Whooo Hooo! I just got home, and checked to see how Kris’s single is doing, and it’s # 16 on ITunes!! Yeah! Go Kris!

    Haven’t read all of the thread yet, but it looks like people are still worrying about the song being a cover. We’re over-invested Kris fans, but most people will only care about whether they like the song or not — and I think it’s catchy, and will do well on the radio, and that Kris will kill it live, bouncing around the stage. That’s all that matters.

    Didn’t listen to the interview with Kris and Seacrest yet, but I think that Kris could come up with a decent answer for why he recorded a cover, since apparently Seacrest asked about it being a cover. Seems like he could sound enthused about the song, say that it wasn’t well known in the US, but he loved it, the message was meaningful to him and one he wanted to share, and he looks forward to performing it live.

    Congratulations, Kris!!

    ETA: I wish that they had a nice photo of Kris on the cover, though.

  280. No one gives a flying fuck but us tards whether it is a cover or a cover of a cover of a cover.

    So, for Kris’s very first single to also be a cover, one that he didn’t even rework, which was his big claim to fame on the show, definitely matters to those who appreciate artistry.

    But so many of the people who care about musical artistry don’t watch AI so they won’t necessarily know Kris’s background from the show

    Bottom line, Kris released as a single, the cover of a B-side that was never released as a single and has never had radio play in the US before his release on Monday morning. The general radio-listening public will therefore not know this song from anywhere prior to hearing Kris on it.

  281. The song is only #29 now on itunes. As an Idol winner, he is not doing great.

  282. I never heard of the Script so it didn’t matter to me. I just bought it and love it.

  283. I kind of wonder if the reason that the first single was a song written by someone else is because the rest of the CD isn’t really ready yet and is still being written.

  284. But music lovers, those that pay attention to artists and their creations, will definitely care

    I am a music lover who pays attention to artists so much that I spend all my down time arguing with others about music. Do I qualify?

    IMHO, the reason it shouldn”t matter, and I am talking ONLY about this frst single, is because he had to get a song out there fast to please the masses and TPTB. So he picked a song that closely matched his own style and while that song is burning up the charts it is buying him time to write, tweak, and record his own stuff. You know Kris Allen wants to write his own stuff, and once we hear THOSE songs, then we should be picking apart his music. This first song is just good business sense. Period. If the album turns out to be nothing but covers or songs written by other people, I will definitely be in that boat with you because Kris Allen’s genre is a singer songwriter, and I do draw the line at singer songwriters having people write for them.

    The first single though? Give him a pass. the poor kid is dog tired and just got off a 3 month tour. Wait for the other stuff before we bring out the torches.

  285. The song is only #29 now on itunes. As an Idol winner, he is not doing great.

    It’s too soon to tell, most newly released songs hit their highest point after more than 24 hours. Last year, LO hit it’s high point of #3 on iTunes on Thursday morning after being released on Tuesday.

  286. He asked him about his album,

    His single!!!! No promo of his Single!! ;)

    Actually, I didn’t mind the Paula/Ellen question so much, tbh.

  287. Aileen
    It’s too soon to tell, most newly released songs hit their highest point after more than 24 hours. Last year, LO hit it’s high point of #3 on iTunes on Thursday morning after being released on Tuesday.

    Archie ‘s first single made it to #1 by 6 p.m. on first day. Kris’s song is not even charted in the top 100 bestselling MP3s chart on Amazon. First week sales numbers will be very low.

  288. Unless some promo in some form happens tomorrow I don’t expect the iTunes position to rise THAT much. I can’t believe Jive not only went with this idiotic Friday release, but not even a banner? Unbelievable.

  289. I just downloaded Kris’ song as soon as I got up this morning. I been playing it all day. The iTunes version is so much better than anything else I have up to this point. Is it me or is Kris singing the lead and most of the background vocals also? Couldn’t they spring for some decent background vocalist? Go Kris, good job.

    Isn’t tomorrow Kris and Katy’s 1 year anniversary? If it is, I hope they allow him the day off. They both really need some quality time together. Kris needs to go all out for her.

  290. I can’t believe Jive not only went with this idiotic Friday release, but not even a banner? Unbelievable.

    Maybe next week there will be a banner. Still, the first week sales numbers will be really low. That won’t create any kind of good buzz.
    Does anyone have numbers for other idol winners? He will probably have the worst first week.
    Maybe one day we will understand Jive’s move.

  291. Maybe next week there will be a banner. Still, the first week sales numbers will be really low. That won’t create any kind of good buzz.
    Does anyone have numbers for other idol winners? He will probably have the worst first week.
    Maybe one day we will understand Jive’s move

    .

    Kris is more of a slow builder. I think they are going for an impact in the second week (or the first full week) and expect Kris to be more of a slow riser as in not everyone will buy it in the first few hours, but steady sales in the long run. Jive may not want Kris to even chart the first week, so he will be introduced to the charts at a higher position the second week (first full week).

    I think this weekend is just seen as PR and they are looking more at the numbers for the following week to be high.

  292. fluffybunny
    September 25, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    Aileen
    It’s too soon to tell, most newly released songs hit their highest point after more than 24 hours. Last year, LO hit it’s high point of #3 on iTunes on Thursday morning after being released on Tuesday.

    Archie ‘s first single made it to #1 by 6 p.m. on first day. Kris’s song is not even charted in the top 100 bestselling MP3s chart on Amazon. First week sales numbers will be very low.

    Ya know, that’s great for Archie’s single, but what did it really get him in the end? It’s getting less plays than any of David Cook’s 3 singles. It didn’t help to sell his album. Oh, I guess it got him a Christmas album. I don’t know that Kris wants that.

    And to compare placement on iTunes with sales doesn’t mean much. I so very well remember the comparison with DA and DC. Poor DC only made it to #3 while Archie made #2. Your placement on a chart like that is only a function of your competition…that and lazy journalism. Cook sold more than Archuleta. I have to think sales is so very much more important to them than journalistic talking points.

  293. The song is only #29 now on itunes. As an Idol winner, he is not doing great.

    I don’t know why this wouldn’t be good. How does it compare so far to Cook and Archie?

  294. Kris is more of a slow builder. I think they are going for an impact in the second week (or the first full week) and expect Kris to be more of a slow riser as in not everyone will buy it in the first few hours, but steady sales in the long run. Jive may not want Kris to even chart the first week, so he will peak at a higher position the second week.

    I think this weekend is just seen as PR and they are looking more at the numbers for the following week to be high.

    Ok None of this makes sense. Why would Jive take this route?

  295. Last year at this time of day LO was # 7 and by the next day it was # 3. I did not follow Archie but someone out there should know where Crush was at this point.

  296. You know, I did that the other day- played both versions of the song at the same time in two windows, and it IS uncanny- it’s almost like Kris was listening to the Script with headphones while recording. It’s still a good song, but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t make me want to check out The Script more. And am I the only one who thinks that lead singer looks like JD Fortune from Rockstar INXS? Prolly :)

    For crying out loud, even Jason Castro got a banner on the first day. What is UP with that? For comparisons sake, it took Jason a full day to make it to #42 on the overall chart, so Kris is doing pretty well, I’d say. I feel really bad that everyone is making such a big deal out of this cover crap.

  297. Yeah I don’t either Studio57. I don’t understand what jive is doing either. I wish I did so I wouldn”t be so worried for Kris.

  298. If the rumor is true that ADam is going to start a media blitz next week, the oxygen is going to be sucked out of the room. Could that be why Jive did the Friday dump?

  299. Haven’t read any of this thread yet, but I wanted to report that I heard
    LLWD on AOL radio – a pop station – that was playing at my work!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Kris!

  300. You know, I did that the other day- played both versions of the song at the same time in two windows, and it IS uncanny- it’s almost like Kris was listening to the Script with headphones while recording. It’s still a good song, but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t make me want to check out The Script more

    Studio, listen to the link to the over lap of the songs I posted earlier. They are identical. I would not have known there were two different versions had I not been aware of it going in.

  301. If the rumor is true that ADam is going to start a media blitz next week, the oxygen is going to be sucked out of the room. Could that be why Jive did the Friday dump?

    Yeah, that seems to make sense. I still can’t see Adam’s own album single coming out or even leaking out next week, but the big 2012 promotion is on Oct. 1, right? And that’s Thursday. So it’ll start a lot of Adam talk, even though Adam probably will not feature in the actual promotion much, if at all. So if they went for the usual Tuesday Itunes appearance, that would give only two days for buzz before an Adam event happened.

  302. Last year at this time of day LO was # 7 and by the next day it was # 3. I did not follow Archie but someone out there should know where Crush was at this point.

    Crush was #1 on first day.

    Studio57
    For comparisons sake, it took Jason a full day to make it to #42 on the overall chart, so Kris is doing pretty well, I’d say.

    How can anyone compare Jason Castro to Kris Allen? Kris is the winner of the latest season of American Idol. And he was on Ryan Seacrest ‘s radio show today. Also he made a z100 debut.

  303. If the rumor is true that ADam is going to start a media blitz next week, the oxygen is going to be sucked out of the room. Could that be why Jive did the Friday dump?

    Adam and Kris aren’t in direct competition with each other, because their current fans or future musical demographics don’t overlap. I don’t think Jive’s decisions regarding Kris have anything to do with Adam.

  304. Adam and Kris aren’t in direct competition with each other, because their current fans or future musical demographics don’t overlap. I don’t think Jive’s decisions regarding Kris have anything to do with Adam.

    No, but everybody’s in competition with everybody when it comes to getting buzz and media. There’s only so much attention space to go around. It isn’t unusual at all to have releases pushed up and back and all around to avoid dates when there’s too much other stuff happening, even when the other stuff isn’t a direct competitor at all, is it? Seems to me we see this happening all the time. I don’t know that it *is* the reason here, but I also don’t think it would be at all surprising if it was. Releasing to Itunes on Friday is a highly unusual move. Had to be some reason for it.

  305. Adam and Kris aren’t in direct competition with each other, because their current fans or future musical demographics don’t overlap. I don’t think Jive regarding Kris have anything to do with Adam.

    Then, why would they worry about Carrie Underwood, Susan Boyles, or Lil Wayne?? They are ALL in competition with each other and a record label would be stupid not to consider who is coming out when and with what buzz. Jive better worry about Adam and the rest of the music world when making decisions if they want to promote their own-that’s only logical business sense. I’m not going to put out a new sneaker when Nike is putting out a new one the same week-especially if Michael Jordin is endorsing it.

  306. For crying out loud, even Jason Castro got a banner on the first day.

    They must be saving for Sunday. Since the sales count is Sunday to Sunday. LLWD is a free mp3 all over the internet. Or rip one off YouTube. So this may be as mj suggested an anti-theft move. And the Ryan and z100 things were to have said “This Sunday go download”.

    Otherwise, no banner is odd.

  307. Well I’m disappointed with Kris’ song choice and no it is not organic. I tried listening to it more than 3x but I can’t be compelled to because it’s annoying as hell. I didn’t buy it so I won’t be buying his album either if this is what his music is going to sound like on the whole album.

  308. ptslittlecomment: Some one over lapped both versions of ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  here. Wow.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJzpoql0JWE

    I have been worried about this since I heard Kris’ 22 sec clip, and even more since his full version was released online. IMO Jive/19R really screwed Kris on this one. I don’t think there is anything like it even on an post-Idol album track by a no winner.

    I hope I am over-reacting but I think it is just a matter of time before the entertainment gossip sites pick this up.

    And I still can’t believe that Jive/19R let this happen. Is it possible that they didn’t realize it was a bonus track on albums and on that deluxe CD single and on YouTube? Could they be that sloppy/lazy?

    ETA: Right now, think as a Kradam fan, I really want Adam to suck all the air out of the room. Get Kris out of the PR spotlight before this single becomes the story. JMO but I want Kris working on his album. Let him do PR after 10/15/09.

  309. ptslittlecomment: I know, I was replying to you, lol. I was wondering when I did it when someone else was going to do it and put a video up.

    You know I still don’t think it matters. Look what the song Hallelujah did for Jeff Buckley. Are we going to call him a hack because Leonard Cohen wrote and released the song first? Maybe Kris should have tweaked it a little but I don’t think there was any room for improvement on that song, it’s perfect the way it is. Like I said before- wait till the original stuff comes out before we start grabbing our pitchforks and torches.

    fluffbunny- I was comparing for a few reasons. We already had Archie and Davids numbers, I wanted to show the Kris fans this is not all gloom and doom, and Jason and Kris, whether you like it or not have ALOT in common. Jason has alot of fans, he has a major label backing him just like the two Davids, and he is the same exact genre as Kris Allen. Truth be told, I like Jason much more, but not his debut song.

  310. And I still can’t believe that Jive/19R let this happen. Is it possible that they didn’t realize it was a bonus track on albums and on that deluxe CD single and on YouTube? Could they be that sloppy/lazy?

    I think they knew, I think they thought most people wouldn’t know or care. They also probably had some cross promotion between the two (Kris and Script) planned, something I believe more than ever now that I see at least one gig at which both are appearing on the same night. I think the some will be a hit for Kris but I think it is unfortunate that this spectre of exactly duplicating a cover will be hanging over his head as he tries to break free of the AI kareoke shadow,

  311. Well, I hope Kris’ single has some legs. When I first heard it, I thought it would be the sort of song that might. I’m a little surprised it hasn’t gotten up higher. This whole release on Friday makes no sense to me. Archie got a lot of a good press from his song debuting so high as did Cook. Idols need as much push in the beginning as they can get.

  312. ptslittlecomment: I know, I was replying to you, lol. I was wondering when I did it when someone else was going to do it and put a video up.

    Sorry (hangs head in shame) I was just coming back to the thread when I saw your post and jumped into a post.

    I just wish for Kris’ sake they had waited to release this as his second single instead of his first.

  313. Studio57

    You know I still don’t think it matters. Look what the song Hallelujah did for Jeff Buckley. Are we going to call him a hack because Leonard Cohen wrote and released the song first? Maybe Kris should have tweaked it a little but I don’t think there was any room for improvement on that song, it’s perfect the way it is. Like I said before- wait till the original stuff comes out before we start grabbing our pitchforks and torches.

    Once again the issue is it is a copy — not just a cover. There is nothing wrong with cover versions.

    Jeff Buckley’s version and Leonard Cohen’s version of Hallelujah don’t even have the same lyrics — of course there are over 50 verses — and they don’t sound the same — at all.

    Jeff Buckley – Hallelujah

    Leonard Cohen – Hallelujah

    Listen to the overlapped version of LLWD — identical arrangement, identical backing track, identical key, identical lyrics and identical tempo. It’s the same — it’s a copy of someone else performance.

    If he wasn’t going to change the song, he shouldn’t have released it as his lead single. And my pitchfork is aimed squarely at the ones who blew it Jive/19R — they blew it big time. Just wait and see.

  314. They must be saving for Sunday. Since the sales count is Sunday to Sunday

    That makes alot of sense FifthHouse

    ptslittlecomment- no, that was my fault for not quoting you in the first place :)

  315. Is #26 good? I thought someone said he was higher than that on the pop charts.

  316. Listen to the overlapped version of LLWD ‘” identical arrangement, identical backing track, identical key, identical lyrics and identical tempo. It’s the same ‘” it’s a copy of someone else performance.

    Like I said, I did do that a few days ago and yes, it is a copy. I just don’t place as much importance on it as everyone else.Kris Allen committed no crime here. It’s not like he stole it ala Vanilla Ice and tried to say it wasn’t the same ( sorry, that was the first thing that came to mind, just like the Hallelujah reference- maybe that one wasn’t a very good comparison. ) I am kind of shaking my head about it, actually. It is, to me, the best song to come out of AI yet. Oh yeah, I said it, lol. Better than Jesus Take The Wheel, ten times better than Light On. It also turned me on to another band which is a bonus, lol. It’s all subjective though, ya know?

    If he wasn’t going to change the song, he shouldn’t have released it as his lead single. And my pitchfork is aimed squarely at the ones who blew it Jive/19R ‘” they blew it big time. Just wait and see

    .

    Oh yeah- if we are going to blame anyone, I agree- it falls on them fo sho. And I am already sharpening my pitchfork if they screw Adam in any way ( where is that little devil icon when you need him?)

  317. Studio57
    September 25, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    I did that the other day- played both versions of the song at the same time in two windows, and it IS uncanny- it’s almost like Kris was listening to the Script with headphones while recording. …

    I feel really bad that everyone is making such a big deal out of this cover crap.

    IA. I don’t get why Jive or the people producing Kris’ album would have advised/insisted he do it this way – almost an exact replica of The Script’s version.

    Is this why reviewers and interviewers keep pointing out it’s a cover? I just didn’t expect that would be a big deal at all. Most people will never have heard the original version. All that matters is whether Kris’ version sounds good.

    Everybody was blown away by what Kris did with Heartless, yet this approach is so far away from that.

  318. I don’t think there was any room for improvement on that song, it’s perfect the way it is.

    lots ppl here like the acoustic version in YouTube. That version change the song more (in a good way) than kris’ version.

  319. Is this why reviewers and interviewers keep pointing out it’s a cover? I just didn’t expect that would be a big deal at all. Most people will never have heard the original version. All that matters is whether Kris’ version sounds good.

    I think folks keep pointing out is is a cover because, well, it is. But the fact that is is is made much more relevant by the fact that Kris is coming off show in which contestants are often criticized for performing kareoke versions of other people’s material. Kris, as you pointed out, produced an amazing version of “Heartless”, as well as other songs, that gave fresh life to a pre-existing song. This effort honestly sounds like a re-recording of the original. Media folks were interested to see what Allen would do now and . .. . he did this.

    The fact that Kris is trying to break into the industry with this song is also complicated by the fact that the writers and original singers for the same song are also trying to break in to the US industry at the same time. So it is possible that radio listeners or concert-goers will be hearing a lot from them as well in the omcing weeks or months. That also makes mentioning the cover aspect relevant for interviewers and DJ’s.

    I really like the song and think it will sell well. But Jive hasn’t done Kris any real favors letting this be his lead song IMHO. Not unless they really think it is the best one on the album.

    As I said before, Jive probably thinks they are saving a dime by cross promoting two of their acts. But I think theis means Kris is going to have to produce something REALLY original and good next time out to avoid the label of “good kareoke singer” for those outside the AI bubble. Here’s hoping he will.

  320. Wow that overlap of the two versions is scary. It’s literally a note for note copy. What bugs me about that is what gave Kris a huge advantage this year was re-arranging songs so to stick a cover on him much less an exact copy is awful. Of course I don’t blame him at all. I know these artists have no say in it, it just makes me feel bad for him.

    Holy crap and to think I bitched about LO and how DC didn’t write his first single. At least an established artist wrote that and it was marketed as an original song.

  321. I just listened to the overlap versions too. Note for note! The same! :(

  322. Okay, I am only going to say this once. I really don’t want to kick a Kris Allen fan when they are down, but his Heartless version was not original. While a bunch of us were watching the show, one of the kids pointed out that a girl sang it on MTV exactly the same way just a couple of weeks before Kris did ( it was a re-air from the show a year before). Sure enough, I looked it up and found it eventually:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hcXZDR5cMc

    Kris, and David Cook, were masters of finding covers of songs, not rearranging. That is my opinion and I will not argue it. Just like LLWD, I do not think it is a crime to do this, but it isn’t realistic to say they were these great arrangers.

  323. I just checked Itunes and it has Kris still at #26. It has been that way for a couple of hours. How often do they update it. The feed I just looked at said 8:37 which is the same time on my computer (central time zone) which would make it current. But that doesn’t mean they have a system for updating in time intervals. Anyone know?

  324. Oh NO, please lets not re-fight the season’s old battles!

    I think we’re worrying over nothing, this whole cover thing may get some press but it comes down to the song — and it’s a great, catchy song that I can immediately identify as Kris.

  325. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hcXZDR5cMc

    Kris, and David Cook, were masters of finding covers of songs, not rearranging. That is my opinion and I will not argue it. Just like LLWD, I do not think it is a crime to do this, but it isn’t realistic to say they were these great arrangers.

    That’s really old news! See how many views and when that video was posted?
    As for Cook, his most known cover is his arrangement. No, you won’t find that version of Always Be My Baby anywhere else. (neither you will of others… but whatever)
    LLWD sounds exactly like the original, but Kris probably didn’t have a say in the matter. He had to record it like that. Lets see what he does with it when he goes on tour.
    This cover thing is probably the worst gate to ever be.

  326. I just checked Itunes and it has Kris still at #26. It has been that way for a couple of hours. How often do they update it. The feed I just looked at said 8:37 which is the same time on my computer (central time zone) which would make it current. But that doesn’t mean they have a system for updating in time intervals. Anyone know?

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I assumed it was real time, with the data fed through every time there was a purchase.

  327. Soverymel-

    Oh Im not questioning you at all. I’m just wondering why there has been no movement in a while in Kris’s charting. Is it because of the intervals so we can’t really see if it is moving up yet or is it flat?

  328. Too bad The Script’s version isn’t for sale here. Juding by theYouTube comments they would have sold a few in the last 24 hours too.

  329. The best version is that acoustic version by Tyler Ward! It is awesome! I would definitely buy it. This is what I thought Kris would do.

  330. The song is just not catchy at all and really doesn’t fit him. After all, Crush, was perfect for Archie.

  331. The best version is that acoustic version by Tyler Ward! It is awesome! I would definitely buy it. This is what I thought Kris would do.

    Just listened to that. It is good! Sounds like what Kris will probably do live with the song.

  332. It’s possible that the Itunes charts are only displaying Itune downloads. I tried to purchase copies at Best Buy today and Kris was not in their system. They said they get the new batch of CD’s each Tuesday so since Kris’ was released on Friday instead of Tuesday might reflect why his chart #’s are not as high as previous idols. Has anyone else had problems purchasing copies at a store today? We should start to see his #’s increase Tuesday or Wednesday because copies will be in the stores. Just a thought……

  333. Oh Im not questioning you at all. I’m just wondering why there has been no movement in a while in Kris’s charting. Is it because of the intervals so we can’t really see if it is moving up yet or is it flat?

    Oh no problem, I didn’t take it like that or anything. I just assumed that people are doing Friday night things rather than buying tunes online. And so the real time purchasing has slowed down for the night. But that was totally an assumption, you could be right, there could be update window or something.

    It’s possible that the Itunes charts are only displaying Itune downloads.

    Yep, that’s all iTunes tracks is their own data, that other stuff like Amazon and physical CDs is published separately.

  334. No, but everybody’s in competition with everybody when it comes to getting buzz and media. There’s only so much attention space to go around. It isn’t unusual at all to have releases pushed up and back and all around to avoid dates when there’s too much other stuff happening, even when the other stuff isn’t a direct competitor at all, is it?

    That’s true. I guess I just don’t think Adam is big enough to suck the air out of the media room. I REALLY doubt it was fear of Adam that caused them to release the song four days earlier. Now MJ’s new song… THAT will be an oxygen eater.

  335. God that overlapped version thing is scary. I don’t even know what to say. Good news is I’m liking the song more everytime I hear it. And the overlapped version sounds better than Kris or the Script alone. However that guy’s acoustic version is the best of the three.

  336. Jpfan

    I totally agree. Tyler Ward’s acoustic version is the best but i guess they thought it wouldn’t get airplay. But, it is what I thought Kris was going to do with his first single. But, hey, I did not watch AI last year and took the time tonight to listen to Crush and LO. I loved LO and could not listen to Crush all the way – bored me…..so I guess that tells something about my taste in music. Didn’t Crush outsell LO?

  337. The fact that Kris is trying to break into the industry with this song is also complicated by the fact that the writers and original singers for the same song are also trying to break in to the US industry at the same time. So it is possible that radio listeners or concert-goers will be hearing a lot from them as well in the omcing weeks or months.

    Speaking of…The Script is dropping a new single, Breakeven, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bp13TeFNrw, on Top 40 radio on Sept. 29 (Kris Allen’s, LLWD drops Oct. 13). How would you compare the 2 songs cause these songs will essentially be going head-to-head since they have the same style and sound? At least there is a 2 week gap between their mutual releases, although that’s not much.

    I understand the theory that the label was hoping to promote two artists at once. But usually, when you have a scenario like that, one party ends up being the bigger beneficiary of that arrangement. And in this case, it could actually be the Script that gets the greater benefit here. After all, there’s a reason they never released LLWD as a single. Seems like there’s little downside for them, but there is a downside for Kris. And yes, the fact that the song is a virtual carbon copy of the Script’s version, instead of a unique Kris Allen take on the song, is a problem. The song was perfect as is? Sounds like a line straight out of a spin zone. Sorry, I’m not buying it.

  338. halfie
    September 25, 2009 at 6:51 am

    Kris Allen’s LLWD Acoustic Cover’ ¦ so soon. That’s a good sign, right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9jP38sYZNU

    That is exceptionally good. I like his version better than Kris’, if I’m being honest.

    I feel bad for Kris… but I agree. :\ It actually sounds different from the original. I like Kris a lot but I thought Jive did him a big disservice by using exactly the same arrangement as The Scripts’. I knew some interviewer was going to rip him for it (and it had to be Ryan Seacrest of all people).

  339. Man, American Idol is such a mixed bag. Huge potential career-making exposure + having your every note/interview/choice scrutinized within an inch of reality.

    The last single I bought before LLWD:
    I didn’t care or care to know if it was a cover
    I didn’t care to listen to other people covering the same song on youtube
    I didn’t listen to/read the latest interview by the artist before purchase.
    I never considered the artist’s ‘street cred’ or lack thereof.

    Only Idol has the power to do this to me. Why is that?
    Personally, I love LLWD. I think it’s the best first Idol single since Miss Independent.

  340. Speaking of’ ¦The Script is dropping a new single, Breakeven, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bp13TeFNrw, on Top 40 radio on Sept. 29 (Kris Allen’s, LLWD drops Oct. 13). How would you compare the 2 songs cause these songs will essentially be going head-to-head since they have the same style and sound? At least there is a 2 week gap

    If Break Even hits big it could complicate things for Kris couldn’t it? From the comments I saw at the overlap version YouTube site it already seems that the duplication has already made some Kris fans very disillusioned with Kris (I don’t agree BTW)

    I think Kris could sing anything on The Script album and feel right at home. But I hope ffrom now on if Mr. Allen decides to sing any of their material it is something he has paid Mark and Danny to write for him!

  341. cahuisam: It’s possible that the Itunes charts are only displaying Itune downloads. I tried to purchase copies at Best Buy today and Kris was not in their system. They said they get the new batch of CD’s each Tuesday so since Kris’ was released on Friday instead of Tuesday might reflect why his chart #’s are not as high as previous idols. Has anyone else had problems purchasing copies at a store today? We should start to see his #’s increase Tuesday or Wednesday because copies will be in the stores. Just a thought’ ¦’ ¦

    It was only released as a digitial single and the “chart” that everyone is referring to is just iTunes sales — but iTunes is over 25% of the total US music market.

    ptslittlecomment: Too bad The Script’s version isn’t for sale here. Juding by theYouTube comments they would have sold a few in the last 24 hours too.

    In the US the only The Script LLWD was the Import 4-track Single CD available on Amazon.com and they are sold out. There are some resellers who have it and the price is going up. It was not released as a digital single anywhere. I think it is a bonus hidden track on the CD single “We Cry” in some countries, but I don’t know where.

    I own it by accident because I have an import of The Script album and it is a bonus track on that album. But I can’t figure out what countries have it on their album versions — mine is from Japan.

    movin2thabeet: Speaking of’ ¦The Script is dropping a new single, Breakeven, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bp13TeFNrw, on Top 40 radio on Sept. 29 (Kris Allen’s, LLWD drops Oct. 13). How would you compare the 2 songs cause these songs will essentially be going head-to-head since they have the same style and sound. At least there is a 2 week gap between their mutual releases, although that’s not much.

    I understand the theory that the label was hoping to promote two artists at once. But usually, when you have a scenario like that, one party ends up being the bigger beneficiary of that arrangement. And in this case, it could actually be the Script that gets the greater benefit here. After all, there’s a reason they never released LLWD as a single. Seems like there’s little downside for them, but there is a downside for Kris. And yes, the fact that the song is a virtual carbon copy of the Script’s version, instead of a unique Kris Allen take on the song, is a problem. The song was perfect as is? Sounds like a line straight out of a spin zone. Sorry, I’m not buying it.

    Perhaps the fact the The Script is releasing a new single on 9/29 is why they decided to release Kris’ single on a Friday. The aren’t on the same label — Kris is with Jive and The Script is with an RCA division in the UK – RCA Label Group/Phonogenic. So they are both Sony/BMG labels but very far removed. Sony Corp. is huge and very complex. I am really starting to believe that Kris’ folks just screwed up on this one.

    Who releases singles on Friday? What label doesn’t put out a press release with the release date in it at least week before the release? Who think that no one would notice this was a copy?

  342. Q3,
    i think you may have uncovered the real reason for the Friday release.

  343. Q3
    September 25, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Who releases singles on Friday? What label doesn’t put out a press release with the release date in it at least week before the release? Who think that no one would notice this was a copy?

    and a faceless cover! it’s all very curious to say the least (although i’d expect an itunes banner monday or tuesday).

    obviously, there’s no death knell just yet, but it’s been a rocky start for kris, in the idolsphere at least.

  344. Look, I hate to break it to the Kris and Allison fans, but Jive is no picnic. Yes, they have some big names on their label. But as someone who has closely followed an idol on the Jive label, they baffle me with two things: 1) their unrelenting frugality and 2) their timing. I offer no explanations for what they do–I know zilch, but they frustrate the hell out of me sometimes. Granted, they have done some things right by my boy, Archie, but I guess nothing is good enough for idol fans. I’ll grant that as well.

  345. ptslittlecomment: Q3, i think you may have uncovered the real reason for the Friday release.

    Not me but movin2thabeet posted the info on The Script single Top 40 radio date. It is an odd coincidence that Kris’ single is released for sale on a Friday without much PR. I don’t buy the piracy issue arguement — people steal music all the time — this isn’t new.

    But why run away from “Breakeven”? It didn’t even crack the Top 10 in the UK last year. It’s the 5th single from The Script’s debut album. Although it did hit #3 in Australia which often tracks with the US.

    I am puzzled about this whole thing — IMO Kris got screwed by Jive/19R — and I am still steaming mad!!

  346. I like that Breakeven song, I will probably download. I had heard of the Script because of “The Man Who Can’t Be Moved” and had downloaded that song. Still like Kris’s LLWD. That is all.

  347. Hey, I listened to Breakeven and really like it and will probably download it. Can hear the similarity to LLWD, though. That may be a problem for Kris.

  348. Kris, and David Cook, were masters of finding covers of songs, not rearranging. That is my opinion and I will not argue it.

    I don’t recall Kris drastically rearranging songs to the point that he can be accused of borrowing covers. He changed songs in more subtle ways but the songs were still very recognizable. I also find it strange that anyone would single out Kris in that area when Adam was the one who borrowed covers more than anyone else from that season(plus wasn’t that Ring of Fire performance borrowed from a reality show contestant?). The David Cook comment is also wrong. Here’s a list of notably reworked covers that David did not create himself on idol: Eleanor Rigby, DayTripper, Billie Jean. Here’s a list of unique covers that Cook arranged himself on idol: Hello, Lil Sparrow, Always Be My Baby, All I really Need is You, I’m Alive, Baba O’Reilly, Dream Big. These were all really good rearrangments and they far outnumbered the ones he borrowed.

  349. I think Kris’s single sounds really good and will be a hit for him. Who cares about The Script? I really don’t think it matters. Even though I’m not a Kris fan, it seems to me that Jive is positioning Kris really well to be a success because he has a good song, and that’s all that matters outside of AI, isn’t it?

    I didn’t follow AI last year, but LLWD to me is a lot more catchy than “Crush” or “Light On” but those two songs killed, so what do I know.

  350. I like that Breakeven song, I will probably download. I had heard of the Script because of ‘The Man Who Can’t Be Moved’  and had downloaded that song. Still like Kris’s LLWD. That is all.

    There are a lot of good Script songs but I think I favor the slower ones like “I’m Yours” or “The End Where I Begin”. I could discuss their music more but I am sure MJ would ( and should) point out that this isn’t a Script thread

    I don’t recall Kris drastically rearranging songs to the point that he can be accused of borrowing covers.

    Studio provided a link about a page back for the “Heartless” cover Studio says Kris used for AI. I didn’t listen so I can’t judge.

  351. alaadam: Q3 Is that good? meaning Kris’s Itune numbers?

    IMO it’s too early to tell anything. I expect it will go up over the the next few days. Kris should do really well on iTunes.

    But what really matters is how many total units he sells, not as much what the iTunes chart placement is. I’d rather have a #5 single in October vs. a #1 single in July. Chart rank is nice for fans. But what really counts in Gold, Platinum = unit sales = $ and that’s what really counts.

  352. I also find it strange that anyone would single out Kris in that area when Adam was the one who borrowed covers more than anyone else from that season(plus wasn’t that Ring of Fire performance borrowed from a reality show contestant?).

    Yes Adam borrowed covers and Adam has credited Dilana Robicheoux (sp?) with the Ring of Fire version he did (even though, vocally his runs were VERY different than hers) and credited Gary Jules for his version of Mad World at every opportunity. He also credited Ricky Minor and Michael Orland for their assistance and rearranging of several songs (on-air). So yeah, don’t think he was trying to hide anything there. Neither was Kris with any of his AI performances.

    I just listened to the overlapping LLYD and both voices melded into one for me, I couldn’t tell there were two singers until the spoken word part and the ending. Just sounded like singing with an echo effect.

    Still, I don’t think this will affect Kris in the least. I like his version of the song and think it will continue to sell and sell well. My hopes are that Jive/19 treat him right and with the respect he deserves for the artist he is.

  353. Kris’ LLWD is #26 on iTunes Top Songs; #16 iTunes Pop Songs.

    when I checked in 3 hours ago, llwd was #26. Guess not many ppl download songs in Friday night, or the chart doesn’t update after certain time in a week?

  354. Personally, I don’t think Jive will treat Kris badly at all. I think I have high hopes for him with them.
    He is the first male winner they’ve signed and so far I see them spending lots of money on him and I don’t think they will let that go to waste.
    We the fans are just reading too much into stuff that we shouldn’t because people claim they didn’t want Kris to win (which I don’t agree with). I believe at top4 they expected any of the contestants to win.
    I don’t feel any negative at all, and I don’t expect that.
    I heard from somewhere that Miley’s single was also released on friday so I don’t think it’s new.
    I agree with Q3, it’s the sales that matter to me as a fan. I just want Kris to have good numbers though I’m happy with wher he is on the chart now.

  355. when I checked in 3 hours ago, llwd was #26. Guess not many ppl download songs in Friday night, or the chart doesn’t update after certain time in a week?

    I wondered the same thing. i guess we will know if it starts moving again in the morning.

  356. May: I don’t recall Kris drastically rearranging songs to the point that he can be accused of borrowing covers.

    Idol is a contest with people singing cover versions — if they are true to the original recording or some later cover, who cares. They are all covers.

    Kris is a solo artist who is notable not for his great vocal skill but for his ability to be a great song stylist. Frank Sinatra was a great song stylist — it is a wonderful talent. So I expected his lead single from his post-Idol album to showcase his artistic strength. His phrasing, his ability to strip a song down to its essence.

    But instead, Jive/19R gives us this exact copy of The Script recording. An exact copy that doesn’t even sound that much like Kris — it sounds like The Script.

  357. BeckyMD: when I checked in 3 hours ago, llwd was #26. Guess not many ppl download songs in Friday night, or the chart doesn’t update after certain time in a week?

    alaadam: I wondered the same thing. i guess we will know if it starts moving again in the morning.

    I am checking a frequently updated iTunes feed and the other songs are moving around, but Kris’ single is staying at #26 on Top Songs.

  358. I just noticed the same thing Q3. BEP is moving around among others but Kris’s is staying at that same number. Does that have meaning to you besides the obvious?

  359. I’m sorry, but I don’t care to waste my time listening to that song again. He is a better singer than that. The chorus might as well be reggae-spoken and there is no good hook. Sorry Kris. FAIL.

  360. Idol is a contest with people singing cover versions ‘” if they are true to the original recording or some later cover, who cares. They are all covers.

    Q3…I’m confused….my comment was in response to someone who mentioned that Kris borrowed all of his covers from other people rather than creating his own covers. I certainly wasn’t arguing that they weren’t covers. Of course they are.
    Also, for the record, I think Jive choosing a B-side cover from the album of a current group and not having it reworked at all for Kris’ debut single is just completely lame. I downloaded the song because it is catchy enough and I like Kris. However, that annoyed me even more than when RCA picked Chris Cornell’s leftover song for Cook’s first single.

    I have no problem with artists releasing covers. Some of my favorite songs are covers of old tunes. However, if you are going to release a cover, it should fulfil at least one of the criteria below to work.
    1. They should sound very different from the original
    2. They should sound much better than the original.
    3. If you are going to perform a cover exactly like the original, then at least make sure that the original group is at least as old asyou are. If the song is 50 years old, it won’t matter if both versions sound about the same.

    A lot of artists put covers on their albums but they don’t release them as singles.

  361. I have no problem with artists releasing covers. Some of my favorite songs are covers of old tunes. However, if you are going to release a cover, it should fulfil at least one of the criteria below to work.
    1. They should sound very different from the original
    2. They should sound much better than the original.
    3. If you are going to perform a cover exactly like the original, then at least make sure that the original group is at least as old asyou are. If the song is 50 years old, it won’t matter if both versions sound about the same.

    THIS!!!!!

  362. alaadam: I just noticed the same thing Q3. BEP is moving around among others but Kris’s is staying at that same number.

    Not a lot of digital tracks are sold late Friday night, so it wouldn’t take much to move it.

    The biggest online sales of everything, including music, are on Monday 10AM to 6PM EST — when people are at work. (Except when there is a holiday involved.) Kris big sales day should be this Monday — and if the Gods are smiling, next Monday. Then the single should get another sales pop when they start to push it on the radio. I haven’t seen a Top 40 Radio Add date for this single. Is there one?

    I think that LLWD performance will be closer to David Cook than other winners’ singles:

    David Cook’s single “Light On” sold over 11% of it’s total units in the first 7 days — and debuted/peaked at #17 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.

    I think there is little change in this economy that LLWD will match Jordin Sparks’ single, “Tatto” with 2 million digital units. And I think that there are two Idol alum records that are pretty safe for a long time:

    Most paid downloads by an Idol alum: 2.9 million units — “No Air,” Jordin Sparks’ duet with Chris Brown, which has sold 2,874,000 digital copies.

    Most album units sold in 1 week, Idol alum debut: Clay Aiken “Measure of a Man” with first-week sales of 613,000.

    But anything is possible.

  363. May: Q3′ ¦I’m confused’ ¦.my comment was in response to someone who mentioned that Kris borrowed all of his covers from other people rather than creating his own covers.

    My point was really about the whole discussion of cover originality on Idol. I still don’t think it matters that much what happened on Idol. I really like Kris and appreciate his musical style and I want some of that Kris on the album.

    May: I have no problem with artists releasing covers. Some of my favorite songs are covers of old tunes. However, if you are going to release a cover, it should fulfil at least one of the criteria below to work.
    1. They should sound very different from the original
    2. They should sound much better than the original.
    3. If you are going to perform a cover exactly like the original, then at least make sure that the original group is at least as old asyou are. If the song is 50 years old, it won’t matter if both versions sound about the same.

    Yes, yes and yes. I like your list.

  364. I don’t understand why Kris fans are upset with where he is on the chart. It’s only the first day and it’s a friday. By the end of next week, he could possibly be in the top five, once people have a chance to hear the song. Don’t understand why they released it today, and not Monday. They must have their reasons, but I really don’t think any of you have anything to worry about. Kris is on his way to having a hit single, so enjoy the ride with him.

  365. I just wish for Kris’ sake they had waited to release this as his second single instead of his first.

    I like the song a lot (all 3 versions of it) but agree that it would have been better to release a different single first…I still think that it’ll be a hit for Kris though.

  366. Perhaps the fact the The Script is releasing a new single on 9/29 is why they decided to release Kris’ single on a Friday. The aren’t on the same label ‘” Kris is with Jive and The Script is with an RCA division in the UK ‘“ RCA Label Group/Phonogenic. So they are both Sony/BMG labels but very far removed. Sony Corp. is huge and very complex. I am really starting to believe that Kris’ folks just screwed up on this one.

    Who releases singles on Friday? What label doesn’t put out a press release with the release date in it at least week before the release? Who think that no one would notice this was a copy?

    Q3, I think you’ve solved the mystery!! Jive probably learned about the release of The Script’s new single next Tuesday a little too late. It must have caught them off guard. So they had to make a mad rush to change the release date to Friday. It would have been a major faux pas to release on the same date as The Script, because then there would be inevitable talk about Kris doing an exact note for note duplicate cover of their song. Although there has been talk nevertheless. The comparisons, however, would have been more glaring had they released at the same time.

    This would also explain the crappy faceless cover art. Someone probably was (and is) working on it, but it wasn’t due until next Tuesday. So they had to haphazardly create a text version to pass as the cover art. This would also explain the lack of a banner on iTunes since they don’t have artwork ready for it as well. I wouldn’t be surprised that by Tuesday next week, the cover art will change to a photo of Kris and we will at last have that banner as well. It better change!

    I cringe every time I look at that cover art. And to think that there were people complaining about Archie’s album cover just a couple of weeks ago. Sheesh!! His is a masterpiece compared to Kris’s.

  367. Kris is a solo artist who is notable not for his great vocal skill but for his ability to be a great song stylist. Frank Sinatra was a great song stylist ‘” it is a wonderful talent. So I expected his lead single from his post-Idol album to showcase his artistic strength. His phrasing, his ability to strip a song down to its essence.

    But instead, Jive/19R gives us this exact copy of The Script recording. An exact copy that doesn’t even sound that much like Kris ‘” it sounds like The Script.

    Why blame Jive/19R for the way Kris sang that song? As you said, he is an artist with a great sense for song styling. Kris is a big boy with a good head on his shoulders. I don’t see the need to blame everything that goes wrong on the label. That would be a cop out. If he thought the song would have sounded better sung a little differently, why not assume that he would have?

  368. Why blame Jive/19R for the way Kris sang that song? As you said, he is an artist with a great sense for song styling. Kris is a big boy with a good head on his shoulders. I don’t see the need for blaming everything on the label. That’s a cop out. If he thought the song would have sounded better sung a little differently, why would we not assume that he would have?

    It’s possible that this recording is one of his very first passes at the song. And since he’s using virtually or identically the same backing track, and had probably listened to the song before he sang it, an early version is very likely going to sound very very much like the original.

    When it’s a song you didn’t know previously, it takes most people some time to pull out a version that expresses them rather than mostly just copies what they’ve heard. In the rush to produce a bunch of songs for potential inclusion on the album, they may not have given him the time.

  369. I mentioned this the other day, but the college radio station in my town is already playing Breakeven. I think Kris will do great with college radio. It does, however, sound like the same group is singing this song. And BTW- they are also playing Carly Smithson and We Are The Fallen- how long ago did that song come out? Hasn’t it been awhile?

    1
    Jack Johnson/Go On (Sleep Through the Static; Brushfire/Universal)

    2
    U2/I’ll Go Crazy If I Don’t Go Crazy Tonight (No Line on the Horizon; Interscope)

    3
    Metric/Help I’m Alive (Fantasies; Last Gang Records)

    4
    Dave Matthews Band/Why I Am (Big Whiskey and the GrooGrux King; RCA)

    5
    Muse/Uprising (The Resistance; Warner Brothers)

    6
    Jet/She’s A Genius (Shaka Rock; EMI)

    7
    Depeche Mode/Perfect (Sounds of the Universe; Mute)

    8
    Chevelle/Jars (Sci-Fi Crimes; Epic)

    9
    Collective Soul/Staring Down (Rabbit; Roadrunner)

    10
    Cage The Elephant/Back Against the Wall (Cage the Elephant; Relentless)

    11
    Kasabian/Fire (West Ryder Pauper Lunatic Asylum; RCA/Columbia)

    12
    The Script/Breakeven (The Script; RCA)

    13
    Pearl Jam/The Fixer (Backspacer; Universal)

    14
    Sister Hazel/Take A Bow (Release; Croakin’ Poets/Rock Ridge)

    15
    Yeah Yeah Yeahs/Heads Will Roll (It’s Blitz!; Interscope)

    16
    Alice In Chains/Check My Brain (Black Gives Way to Blue; Virgin/EMI)

    17
    We Are The Fallen/Bury Me Alive (Bury Me Alive Single; SKH Music)

    18
    Owl City/Fireflies (Ocean Eyes; Universal Republic)

    19
    Weezer/I Want You To (Raditude; Geffen)

    20
    Breaking Benjamin/I Will Not Bow (Dear Agony; Hollywood)

  370. Maybe its just like the guy said? They heard the song, He and everyone on his team lived it, and they recorded it as is since they didn’t think it needed much tweaking. Everything doesn’t have to be a conspiracy.

    I think there is little change in this economy that LLWD will match Jordin Sparks’ single, ‘Tatto’  with 2 million digital units. And I think that there are two Idol alum records that are pretty safe for a long time:

    Most paid downloads by an Idol alum: 2.9 million units ‘” ‘No Air,’  Jordin Sparks’ duet with Chris Brown, which has sold 2,874,000 digital copies.

    Most album units sold in 1 week, Idol alum debut: Clay Aiken ‘Measure of a Man’  with first-week sales of 613,000.

    ITA about Clay’s record. I think Jordin’s might fall one day, just because single sales seem to be going up not down, and a smash song does tend to crack 3 mil at some point. If it doesn’t fall it won’t be because of the economy, but because no idol going forward gets a smash. Which is possible.

  371. I think Lady Gaga’s singles sold 4 million so the single download record can be broken. But album sales, highly unlikely. Although Taylor Swift proves it is possible to go multi-plat even these days.

    And even in a bad economy, music is cheap so sales shouldn’t be affected that much. If LLYD (or other Idol singles) doesn’t match Tattoo, I doubt it will be because of the cost involved.

  372. Hey, Kris fans! Check out Slezak’s new Realite video for some more song titles from Kris (personally)! You will enjoy the Kris interview part.

  373. I like the Script’s “breakeven” (its been on my ipod for a few months) but love “we cry”….kris’ llwd seems to be doing pretty well…no need for any worry

  374. I’m not worried for Kris- he sltalled at #29 last night but it looks like it is starting to climb again- it’s at #28.

    As an I tunes user I always check the top 100 and sample the songs. I am sure now that he made the main chart with help from the idol fans, the general public will start checking it out.

  375. Q3, I had included Kris’s drop date in the earlier post. ‘Live Like You’re Dying’ is posted on AllAccess to drop on Oct. 13 to Top 40 radio. My opinion here is that Kris could be in for a bumpy ride on radio with this release. His version sounds just like the Script. For one thing, that means he did not carve out his own unique distinctive sound here which is critical for a new artist just starting out. Secondly, the Script have already begun to establish their sound with US audiences with ‘The Man Who Can’t be Moved’. I wonder how many people here who said they’ve never heard of the Script, ever listen to much radio. Because I heard this song all the time.

    And now, the Script are dropping their new single, Breakeven, some 2 weeks before LLYD is out. Of course, its debatable, but IMO this song is more catchy. Regardless, listeners will soon be exposed to both songs on the radio with very similar sounds. With all the songs being released, Program Directors are not likely to green light 2 songs with the same sound so they will be competing for which one gets up there on the charts. The one thing Kris has going for him here is that Idols do get preferential exposure, at least to start out.

    I agree with May in her earlier post about the 3 criteria to justify a cover. I’m calling this a copy, because that’s really the point here. It just seems absolutely baffling to me that Kris and his label (whoever made this decision) would choose to make a carbon copy of a contemporary group looking to make it big in the US for their first debut single. Does not make any sense at all.

    Compound this with the fact that Kris has a very chill demeanor and quiet, subtle style. If anyone needed a big splash with an unmistakeable unique sound for a debut, its Kris Allen. But what did they do? They go out of the gate with a cover that sounds just like the Script, down to the vocal inflections, with the equivalent of a brown paper bag for cover art. Yikes!

  376. jpfan: I think Lady Gaga’s singles sold 4 million so the single download record can be broken. But album sales, highly unlikely. Although Taylor Swift proves it is possible to go multi-plat even these days.

    And even in a bad economy, music is cheap so sales shouldn’t be affected that much. If LLYD (or other Idol singles) doesn’t match Tattoo, I doubt it will be because of the cost involved.

    Well here’s hoping but not many Lady Gaga’s coming off of Idol!!

    Regarding music sales, with the weak global econmy and so much easy-access, free music — even some that is legal — the combination is deadly for music sales. People have more digital music devices now than ever, but music sales are down year-after-year.

    Kris is up to #25 on iTunes Top Songs. I think it is his peak so far.

  377. LLWD is not getting any airplay here in Los Angeles KBIG 103.4 and Z100 NY playlist didn’t indicate any and Kris was promoted there several days ago. I have a feeling the larger stations are probably going to start Sunday or Monday since his release date was changed so suddenly to Friday. Seems like there is some strategy going on with Jive and it seems to be puzzling to all of us concerned fans. Hope to hear it played a lot this next week and see Kris move up in the charts where he belongs.

  378. I wonder how many people here who said they’ve never heard of the Script, ever listen to much radio. Because I heard this song all the time.

    You know, I think it all depends on where you live and what kind of stations you listen to.

  379. Kris is up to #25 on iTunes Top Songs. I think it is his peak so far.

    I believe you are looking at the wrong feed. iTunes has a feed that does not display “explicit” songs. Kris may be #25 there, but he peaked at #29 and has now dropped back to #30 on the primary feed. Here’s the correct link.

    The song is not burning up the charts yet but with an injection of promo (perhaps an iTunes ad when they change them out on Tuesday, and if he’s lucky he’ll be featured in the New Music Tuesday email, etc.), and an increase in radio airplay will help boost sales. As I mentioned previously, every song has a different lifecycle. The odd Friday release so far in advance of the radio impact date makes it hard to compare the performance of this single against other Idol debut releases. Give it a little time to see what kind of personality this one is going to have.

  380. first off, no one in the real world has heard of The Script, so who cares.
    Covers are very common anyway. Hello, Mariah. Linda Ronstadt’s early career was driven by covers.

    As usual, Idol fans are overanalyzing every little detail. They are playing the song on the radio, which is the important thing. It looks like a crossover hit between pop, AC, Hot AC, and even country.

  381. first off, no one in the real world has heard of The Script, so who cares.

    You would be very surprised. Read back. They are very well known outside of the US but are making strong inroads here. They have opened for McCartney and U2 here (over 40,000 peple heard them the night I first saw them) , they get regular radio play in some parts of the US and if you watch The Ghost Whisperer regularly (I don’t) I understand you have heard their song “The Man Who Would Not Be Moved” pretty frequently. Then their are the YouTube videos such as this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJzpoql0JWE which appears to be intrducing lots of new fans to their music. ( couple of thousand hits in two days)

  382. first off, no one in the real world has heard of The Script, so who cares.

    What ´s the real world for you? I am in Spain and I know The Script way before Kris ´s cover of their song.

    Btw, Kris is in number 38 at this moment. Link

  383. Re: storm45701

    Don’t be so selfcentered. US is not the center of the world. The fact that u haven’t heard of The Script doesn’t mean that nobody did. In fact it’s a well known band in Europe (and not only Europe), plus there are people, Americans, saying that they had regular radio play in US

  384. Kris just tweeted, He is off to London.

    KrisAllen4Real:
    “Bout to get on the plane and head to London. Had a great time at the beach yesterday.”

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