Idol Sales News ‘“ Week Ending 11/29/09

After the Jump, today’s Idol Sales Numbers (Billboard Date 12/12/09)


Download Numbers
23 Kelly Clarkson “Already Gone” 53, 511 (16%; lw 45, 958) Total: 809, 638 (24)
24 Carrie Underwood “Cowboy Casanova” 51, 733 (1%; lw 51, 213) Total: 609, 335 (21)
35 Adam Lambert “For Your Entertainment” 38, 509 (98%; lw 19, 465) Total: 102, 436 (75)
43 Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” 31, 327 (-12%; lw 35, 787) Total: 186, 667 (34)
132 Daughtry “Life After You” 11, 695 (147%; lw 4, 734) Total: 43, 673 (OFF)
138 Adam Lambert “Whatya Want From Me” 11, 197 (NEW; lw 329) Total: 11, 871

Glee:
37 Glee “True Colors” 36, 711 (NEW; lw 90) Total: 36, 801 (NEW)
39 Glee “Imagine” 35, 686 (NEW; lw 85) Total: 35, 771 (NEW)
95 Glee “Papa Don’t Preach” 16, 040 (NEW; lw 999) Total: 78 16, 118 (NEW)
105 Glee “Last Christmas” 14, 589 (NEW; lw 0) Total: 14, 589 (NEW)
120 Glee “Hair/Crazy in Love” 13, 196 (NEW; lw 84) Total: 13, 280 (NEW)
142 Glee “Bootylicious” 10, 975 (NEW; lw 66) Total: 11, 041 (NEW)
187 Glee “Don’t Make Me Over” 8, 641 (NEW; lw 67) Total: 8, 708 (NEW)

Album Numbers
3 Adam Lambert “For Your Entertainment” 198, 466 (NEW; lw 437) Total: 198, 903 (NEW)
9 Carrie Underwood “Play On” 123, 870 (44%; lw 86, 218) Total: 656, 342 (9)
35 Kris Allen “Kris Allen” 32, 531 (-59%; lw 80, 072) Total: 112, 640 (11)
52 David Archuleta “David Christmas from The Heart” 21, 449 (21%; lw 17, 717) Total: 88, 634
62 Daughtry “Leave This Town” 17, 976 (57%; lw 11, 429) Total: 766, 500
83 Daughtry “Daughtry” 14, 901 (286%; lw 3, 864) Total: 4, 574, 843
121 Kelly Clarkson “All I Ever Wanted” 10, 584 (114%; lw 4, 956) Total: 765, 677
132 Carrie Underwood “Some Hearts” 9, 792 (160%; lw 3, 764) Total: 6, 876, 376

Idol Related:
16 Various “Now 32” 76, 019 (31%; lw 57, 911) Total: 303, 972
53 Various “Wow Hits 2010” 21, 286 (49%; lw 14, 243) Total: 39, 254
125 Various “Now 31” 10, 196 (29%; lw 7, 878) Total: 781, 105

Airplay before recurrents removed (increase in audience impressions):
No. 8 – Kelly Clarkson (+1.3 million) – lw 8
No. 114 – Kris Allen (+3.0 million) – lw 148
No. 278 – Daughty (+1.7 million) – lw 323

Streaming:
No. 8 Already Gone

Last week’s numbers.

Please post numbers as you find them. Thanks!

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246 Comments

  1. YAY ADAM! I’m so happy for this kid! Way to go! I have no words for Susan Boyle still sick over that picture of her sucking her thumb. Nobody should have to see that :(

  2. Very proud of Adam! So very close to 200K.

    In terms of the effect of the AMA performance on sales, I think some of the soundbites thrown around by the media in the days after were damaging. My local paper had the headline “Lambert refuses to apologize,” right on the back page entertainment section—hard to miss.

    Anyway, he has good numbers, good ranking (you can just throw Susan Boyle right out of the mix, 700K?) I also think Adam has the support of a lot of important people rooting for him.

  3. Congrats Adam! I am so excited for his outdoor concert at Conan. Someone said they apparently perform 1-2 songs that is shown on air and sometimes more that gets put on their webpage.

  4. SuBo’s numbers are unsurprising for the following reasons:

    1. It is a great record.
    2. She is an inspiring story during a time when we need to be inspired.
    3. Her album is COMPLETELY non-threatening to a center-right country.

    The really odd part of it all is that the album (as far as I can tell), has no original work on it – just covers.

    Wonder what Adams’ worldwide #’s are?

  5. YAY ADAM! I’m so happy for this kid! Way to go! I have no words for Susan Boyle still sick over that picture of her sucking her thumb. Nobody should have to see that

    I’d prefer not to see any photos of her at all. That woman just creeps me out. I know that’s awful, but there it is. I’m a horrible person.

    Luckily, I can’t imagine a single human being in my life who might think I like that sort of thing, otherwise I’d be worried that one of those 700K cd’s would end up in my Christmas stocking!

    Those seem to be pretty good numbers for Adam. If I were him, I’d be annoyed that I’d sold 198K instead of 200 though. It would bug me that I only needed about 1500 more to get over that next hump. I’m weird like that though.

    I’ll be interested to see what SuBo and Bocelli do next week. They’re both such oddities to me. I’ve never been a Bocelli fan. Although, unlike SuBo, I do actually know some people in real life who are fans of his. Two of my mom’s friends positively swoon over that guy. A fact which mystifies me as well LOL.

  6. Re Susan Boyle: I was one of the people who said that Youtube hits meant nothing in sales and that there was no way Simon Cowell would get away with this after doing the exact same thing with Paul Potts. That every church has a plain lady with a pretty voice who sings her one big number and everybody sighs and says she should have done better in life.* And that SuBo would soon be home with her cats.

    One hundred percent epic predictive fail.

    * ours when I was a kid was Miss Ellen. Her song was a stellar version of Streisand’s “Evergreen.” Which I can still remember. Too bad there wasn’t Boston Catholic Idol.

    Good job, Susan Boyle.

  7. BTW, I’m going to be pretty busy today (all week really), so I just want to make a preemptive statement about bulk buying (since people asked me to repeat my statements from last week).

    Bulk buying is done by some members of all Idol fan bases. The number of people who do it are small (though vocal) and the number of sales they rack up are insignificant compared to totals (unless the Idol is only selling 20 CDs. Then the one person buying 10 CDs has a big effect). I’ve seen far too many bulk buying campaigns fail from even very large and organized fan bases to believe that they have any significant effect. You don’t get to the top echelon of the BB chart without getting a lot of “normal” people just buying 1 copy each. All IMO based on watching 4 seasons of Idol charts (and Idol lunacy) .

  8. Congrats Adam! I am so excited for his outdoor concert at Conan. Someone said they apparently perform 1-2 songs that is shown on air and sometimes more that gets put on their webpage.

    It’s Kimmel where he’s doing the outdoor mini-concert thing. I’m not sure they show more than one on the show though. Conan tends to be just an in-studio one-song thing, with a quick hello from Conan (along the lines of the Letterman appearance).

    One hundred percent epic predictive fail.

    Me too. I’m still shocked actually.

  9. Woo-hoo for early numbers! Thanks for hunting them down—I hadn’t even thought to look yet!

    700K. Wow.

  10. Ms. Boyle is a monster…, never expected her to sell THIS WELL… good for her

  11. Congratulations Adam! I’ll tell you in person in Tampa (hopefully!)

  12. From kworb over at Pulse:

    Biggest opening weeks of the year

    1 Susan Boyle 701,000
    2 Eminem 608,000
    3 U2 484,000
    4 Jay-Z 476,000
    5 Dave Matthews Band 424,000
    6 Michael Jackson 373,000
    7 Rascal Flatts 351,000
    8 Lady GaGa 325,000
    9 Carrie Underwood 318,000
    10 Maxwell 316,000
    11 Whitney Houston 305,000
    12 Black Eyed Peas 304,000
    13 John Mayer 286,000
    14 Daughtry 269,000
    15 Kelly Clarkson 255,000
    16 Jonas Brothers 247,000
    17 Bruce Springsteen 224,000
    18 Green Day 215,000
    19 Adam Lambert 198,000
    20 Pearl Jam 189,000
    21 Rihanna 181,000
    22 Norah Jones 180,000
    23 Barbra Streisand 180,000
    24 The Fray 179,000
    25 Paramore 175,000
    26 Keith Urban 172,000
    27 Now That’s What I Call Music Vol. 31 169,000
    28 Mariah Carey 168,000
    29 Prince 168,000
    30 Casting Crowns 167,000
    31 Bon Jovi 163,000
    32 50 Cent 160,000
    33 Rick Ross 157,000
    34 George Strait 155,000
    35 The-Dream 151,000
    36 Andrea Bocelli 149,000
    37 Now That’s What I Call Music Vol. 30 146,000
    38 Hannah Montana: The Movie Soundtrack 139,000
    39 Hannah Montana 3 Soundtrack 137,000
    40 Tim McGraw 137,000
    41 Justin Bieber 137,000
    42 Jadakiss 135,000
    43 Breaking Benjamin 134,000
    44 Michael Buble 132,000
    45 Trey Songz 131,000
    46 Brad Paisley 130,000
    47 Muse 128,000
    48 Alice In Chains 126,000
    49 Bob Dylan 125,000
    50 Rob Thomas 122,000
    51 New Moon Soundtrack 115,000
    52 Day26 113,000
    53 Glee Vol. 1 113,000
    54 Creed 110,000
    55 Jason Aldean 109,000
    56 Kiss 108,000
    57 Demi Lovato 107,000
    58 Colbie Caillat 106,000
    59 Diana Krall 104,000
    60 Kid Cudi 104,000
    61 Now That’s What I Call Music Vol. 32 102,000
    62 Wilco 99,000
    63 Fabolous 99,000
    64 Reba McEntire 96,000
    65 Keri Hilson 94,000
    66 Toby Keith 90,000
    67 Kenny Chesney 89,000
    68 Shakira 89,000
    69 Rod Stewart 84,000
    70 Trans-Siberian Orchestra 83,000
    71 Chrisette Michele 83,000
    72 Ciara 81,000
    73 Depeche Mode 80,000
    74 Kris Allen 80,000
    75 Sting 80,000
    76 Three Days Grace 79,000

  13. SuBo and Bocelli are still sitting high on iTunes/Amazon so they should have another good week. I admit the SuBo thing is way bigger than I could have imagined. Maybe AI S9 will be full of deranged cat ladies (just in their 20s). That actually sounds like fun and very different from S8.

  14. Opps, sorry SpencerJ, I didn’t really know which was which and I took a guess. I am just so excited to finally hear more songs live. I absolutely LOVED Music Again. WWFM is not my fav and I am not so excited about hearing over and over again. I personally liked FYE a lot better but it is what it is.

  15. It is not surprising Adam sold well his first week with all the pre-orders. Now that he has sold to his base idol fanatics, it will be interesting to see how he does going forward.

    Lord knows he is getting plenty of exposure. Geesh, he is EVERYWHERE. I think it helps that he gives a GREAT interview.

  16. Man, Carrie went gold in three weeks and is up 44% in her fourth. She must have benefited by a lot of people who planned to get the disk for themselves or as a gift and picked it up this weekend while holiday shopping.

    19E must feel great to have their artists own two of the top slots, with Adam at 3 and Carrie at 9. The show is still such as powerful platform to launch from.

  17. Opps, sorry SpencerJ, I didn’t really know which was which and I took a guess.

    No need to be sorry. I just didn’t want you to watch the wrong show on the wrong night :)

    Carrie’s a sales monster too. Her numbers seem to be consistently good. Up and down, but still solid.

  18. Susan Boyle Killed it! That’s fantastic. Adam’s numbers have to be a disappointment after all his publicity. And he’s dropped so fast on i-tunes. I don’t think he bought in many new fans and I hate to see next week’s numbers. Maybe Allison will be the one to bring it for the Idols.

    I think it’s time for X factor where there isn’t an age factor. Young people are bored with Idol, and there seems to be a huge market for people older than the traditional top 40 pop market.

  19. BTW tonight we get Grammy nominations! There will be a concert to announce them on CBS tonight starting at 9. Hopefully, there will be a few Idols in the mix.

  20. BTW tonight we get Grammy nominations!

    Will Gaga be able to get a nomination or is she out? I think it was for new artis of the year right?

  21. Gaga can’t get nominated for New Artist of the Year (some technical reason). She’ll probably gets tons of other nominations though including Album of the Year.

  22. Gaga can’t get nominated for New Artist of the Year (some technical reason).

    She was nominated for a Grammy last year. BNA’s can’t have had a previous nomination. I think she was nominated in a Dance category.

  23. When is the Grammy Award ceremony? And which of the idols are expected to get a nomination? Kelly and Carrie?

  24. Congrats Adam!!!
    I’m crossing my fingers that the drop isn’t too big next week (although must brace myself for just that so’s not to be too bummed) and that it will gain momentum and sell much more over the next weeks (and months, and years?)
    Oh, yeah, and GET RELEASED INTERNATIONALLY ALREADY!!!!! I know it has in some places, but not everywhere…
    Rock on Adam!

  25. In terms of the effect of the AMA performance on sales, I think some of the soundbites thrown around by the media in the days after were damaging.

    Whatever the perception of Adam might be, the publicity certainly did not damage sales, in fact it helped it considerably. I was looking at the iTunes singles chart after the AMA performance, the ranking didn’t rise by much after the performance itself (overnight it rose about 10 position to ~55, compared to Kelly Clarkson which rose ~10 position to 17), suggesting that the performance itself did not spur sales by much, certainly not as much as Kelly Clarkson. But the publicity about the controversy in the days afterward pushed its ranking up into the twenties (for comparison, Kelly Clarkson’s Already Gone went up just a couple more position to 15 before dropping down). Controversy sells.

  26. When is the Grammy Award ceremony? And which of the idols are expected to get a nomination? Kelly and Carrie?

    These two would be my guess, assuming they’re eligible (I know nothing about Grammy rules). They’ve both won a few before, so they’re definitely on the nominating radar.

  27. When is the Grammy Award ceremony? And which of the idols are expected to get a nomination? Kelly and Carrie?

    The Grammy nominees will be announced tonight. The ceremony itself will be held on January 31st, 2010.

    I think that Carrie will definitely see some nominations. She has won before and regularly gets nominated showing she has respect amongst her peers. There is a lot of chatter about Kelly perhaps getting some nominations for “Already Gone”. There will likely be a smattering of nominations for other Idols in categories we don’t normally pay much attention to. There are a lot of Idols doing a lot of stuff.

  28. So happy for Adam. I feel now the storm will reside a bit, which is good so I can get back to real life. Looking back, the best day of the storm was the day we got the music!

  29. Controversy sells.

    And so does a good album. Again CONGRATULATIONS Adam! Your good showing can not be deminished.

  30. Wooohooo! 199K!!!! “That’s alright, alright with me, that’s alright, alright with me! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!” Whee! Congrats Adam and to his fans old and new who support him buy buying and loving his music. He has a fantastic album and Ihope more and more people get to hear it.

    And btw, the quotes are from a song that is my fave, no disrespect is intended!

  31. So happy to see the Idols do well. Carrie, Adam, Daughtry, Kelly, even Kris on that list…yay.

    I’m hoping Kelly and Carrie get some Grammy love tonight. *fingers crossed*

    As far as Susan Boyle, I do not get it. Yes, she has a great voice, but with all the “issues,” is it really in her best interest to be a “celebrity?”

  32. There will likely be a smattering of nominations for other Idols in categories we don’t normally pay much attention to. There are a lot of Idols doing a lot of stuff.

    That’s true – sometimes I forget about the other categories. I only just learned the other day that Fantasia has been nominated for like 8 Grammys over the years. I had no idea.

  33. Controversy sells.

    Probably, but it may be mostly because good publicity sells. I bet a lot of the bump was getting people who knew him from idol, weren’t following the after cycle, didn’t watch the AMA, and just were reminded of his existence by the fact it was in almost every outlet for a day or two. Even my local news mentioned the controversy. It was a huge amount of free publicity. And he generally came off looking good – especially since it was all just him doing his job, not the usual celeb style controversar

  34. edit: call out the haters one more time, and I move you to moderation. calm down

  35. No one noticed he was supposed to sell as much as 25,000 more? Didn’t even cross 200,000 which surprises me.

    As for SuBo, you go girl! Congrats.

  36. Love him or hate him Simon Cowell is a BRILLIANT marketer….SuBo has been everywhere for months — all over the Today Show, performing on AGT, on QVC, in mags, in newpaper articles, performing songs from her album on American TV etc.etc. and it has paid off…he knew exactly what his product was and the right time and right way to market it….i will never understand the appeal (can understand investing 90 seconds to watch a youtube video, but not 10 bucks and an hour to listen to an album of Subo) but WOW to subo and cowell…well done. and Yay Adam!

  37. And so does a good album.

    But interestingly enough, despite Adam insisting that it was all about the music, not much about the album was talked about this week. It was all about the drama of the AMAs and GMA and Adam being all “I am (Gay) Man, Hear Me Suck.”

    If he still sells well next week, then it most probably has transcended the AMAs and the initial Idol Sales Rush, and has gone on to being about his music.

  38. Whoa, go Carrie!

    Wow, HDD underestimated her by almost 10,000.

    HDD final estimate –> 114,393
    SoundScan numbers –> 123,870

  39. Hey Dlee-

    I know what you mean! I keep thinking that this time I’ll be able to get on with real life, but another Adam event happens, and I’m actually a little sad that the storm is has already peaked and is probably going to diminish in the weeks to come…
    BUT- unlike most of you, I still don’t actually have the album- it’s still on it’s way across the ocean as we speak… and I don’t want to download anything illegally… so I have still have that to look forward to- the moment I actually get to hold it in my hands!!!

  40. No one noticed he was supposed to sell as much as 25,000 more? Didn’t even cross 200,000 which surprises me.

    Same thing happened to Cook last year. And on a much smaller scale-to Kris. Kirsten has said that they usually predict idol’s sales too high.
    Adam is #3! (He would have been #2 last week.)He beat Gaga and Rihanna and is in the top 20 for debuts of 2009! I’m VERY happy! Way to go BB!

  41. Congratulations to Susan Boyle – her numbers are amazing. Don’t understand why all the hate on her.

  42. 24 23 CLARKSON*KELLY ALREADY GONE 53,511 16 45,958 809,638
    21 24 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE COWBOY CASANOVA 51,733 1 51,213 609,335
    75 35 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 38,509 98 19,465 102,436
    34 43 ALLEN*KRIS LIVE LIKE WE’RE DYING 31,327 -12 35,787 186,667
    — 132 DAUGHTRY LIFE AFTER YOU 11,695 147 4,734 43,673
    — 138 ADAM LAMBERT WHATAYA WANT FROM ME 11,197 999 329 11,871

    Kirsten, it’s up to you to prettify them :)

  43. BUT- unlike most of you, I still don’t actually have the album- it’s still on it’s way across the ocean as we speak’ ¦

    Well then for you, the BEST day is yet to come. Enjoy.

  44. Airplay:

    No. 8 – Kelly Clarkson (+1.3 million)
    No. 114 – Kris Allen (+3.0 million)
    No. 278 – Daughtry (+1.7 million)

    Streaming:

    No. 8 Already Gone

  45. If he still sells well next week, then it most probably has transcended the AMAs and the initial Idol Sales Rush, and has gone on to being about his music.

    If Adam sells well next week, he will have accomplished what Kris, Cook and Archie couldn’t do. They all dropped their 2nd week. (Didn’t Cook drop by 70%?) I guess Kris,Cook and Archie aren’t “about the music” either.
    I think we should expect a 60-70% drop-off in sales. That’s what Kirsten has been saying to expect with new idols. I’m trusting her judgement since she has been watching the idol debuts and sales for the past four seasons.

  46. Adam is #3! (He would have been #2 last week.)He beat Gaga and Rihanna and is in the top 20 for debuts of 2009! I’m VERY happy! Way to go BB!

    It all depends on the week- somebody with more time on their hands than me needs to go week by week through 2009 and see where he would have placed if released when.
    Rankings are irrelevant, yes.
    But it’d be a fun stat to play with.

  47. No one noticed he was supposed to sell as much as 25,000 more? Didn’t even cross 200,000 which surprises me.

    I never pay attention to those early predictions anymore. Since Kirsten and the other people here have been giving me my numbers education, I’ve discovered that those early numbers are almost always way wrong LOL.

  48. That’s a good showing for Adam. I’m a happy cat :D Adam is NO. 3 and sold more than Rihanna and Shakira. It’s still shocking that his numbers are +50% more than Kris the winner of AI. He will go over the 200k mark next week no matter if sales drop. International sales will probably show that he’s the strongest showing for an Idol’s first album.

  49. The problem is other artist like Taylor Swift or Carrie u extra..are doing great.So the economy/cd sales are down is not totally a good excuse.

    Kris Allan-the problem with the 59% drop is where he started from..80 thousand..Not being marketable or not fitting the pop parameters is not his problem.The birght spot his single is going up..

  50. Wow, Kris did not have much of a drop in LLWD sales from the album drop week – I’m excited! Judging by where he’s sitting on iTunes and the stability of the position, he should bump back up next week.

    Good for Kelly – I love that song.

  51. Updated post with the download, airplay and streaming numbers

    Thanks for bringing them over leilamaurizia!

  52. Thanks, Dlee! (BTW- I do know the album very well already- I listen to the live stream whenever I can, but it’s not like actually having it and being able to pause when I want, go back and listen to just a segment, put on shuffle or upload to my MP3 player…)
    Crossing fingers for long-term success, so he can come tour AT LEAST in Europe, that’s close enough to me that I could afford flying in for a concert :-)

  53. Congratulations Adam! AMA controversy aside, I believe he did well because the album is great! It got mostly very good reviews and it is still in the the top ten albums in the Pop chart. I am sure someone will find a way to diminish that I think that is pretty good. Also, WWFM is slowly climbing the charts. YaaaY! Adam

  54. 35 Adam Lambert ‘For Your Entertainment’  38,509 (98%; lw 19,465) Total: 102,436 (75)

    If the AMA performance was really all bad for Adam, I think this statistic is a little hard to explain, is it not?

    Hard to see how many of those sales could have been rung up by AI fans who were album buyers, to me, anyway.

    {23 Kelly Clarkson 24 Carrie Underwood ‘Cowboy Casanova”; 35 Adam Lambert ‘For Your Entertainment’  38,509; 43 Kris Allen ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  31,327; 132 Daughtry ‘Life After You’  11,695; 138 Adam Lambert ‘Whatya Want From Me’ ]

  55. Well it’s official, I suck at prediction! LOL! He beat my guess by 40K. Congrats Adam! And jpfan!

    Next week should def see a drop, probably closer to 75% due to regular second week stuff and the fact that its the week after Black Friday. That would be pretty normal.

    Where’s Kris’ album numbers? Did I miss them?

    That’s not a bad drop for LLWD coming after the debut week bump. Good for Kris.

    I am rooting for Kelly in the Grammies tonight. And Cookie of course, but he’s a long shot. Did Carrie’s album drop in time to qualify?

  56. Cook had huge song with the AI crown song don’t get why you say no hit. That shit still playing. Go Carrie best one ever. Where’s the winner Ar boy sells?

  57. Does anyone have the digital download numbers for the albums this week?

  58. Very pleased with the LLWD number. The song has some staying power.

  59. I just noticed there was a huge jump in singe FYE sales from the previous week. I think this shows this song is not dead yet. I have hopes that once the MV is released next week it will jump even more. That MV is too hot for words.

  60. The problem is other artist like Taylor Swift or Carrie u extra..are doing great.So the economy/cd sales are down is not totally a good excuse. Not like these idols have no radio play at all or AI slamming them..

    DC is doing very good in cd sales but not really great.

    Well, we do know that some genres continue much better sales than others, probably for numerous reasons including selling to different demographics, having different levels of illegal downloading, etc.

    And country is one genre that continues to sell, and even continues to sell in hard copies, and sell as albums. … Whereas rock seems to be doing less well, although albums still sell better there than in pop, I think, where it’s all about singles, and a *whole* lot about illegal downloads.

    So it’s a matter of genres as well as individual artists.

    That’s clearly visible in this week’s sales numbers where the top two are sort of an easy-listening genre, with a largely older demographic, and probably more than one factor operating against having a lot of illegal downloads there — including age of buyers, scruples, not owning Ipods, being in a decades’ long habit of buying music instead of stealing it, etc.

  61. 35 Adam Lambert ‘For Your Entertainment’  38,509 (98%; lw 19,465) Total: 102,436 (75)

    98%…really? I guess a few people liked the song at the AMAs! Who knew? lol

    I wonder if the video will help the sales of fye? It is a hAWT video!

  62. I have to chuckle at the Glee kids bringing in the royalty checks for Cyndi Lauper, Madonna and Yoko Ono. I wonder if Madonna even notices when a check that small rolls in. Or, does it just sit in a pile almost never to be cashed like regular people do when someone writes them a random check for 10 bucks?

  63. I just noticed there was a huge jump in singe FYE sales from the previous week. I think this shows this song is not dead yet. I have hopes that once the MV is released next week it will jump even more.

    It’s coming off of album release week and the AMA performance, isn’t it? Either way, I’d imagine it’s going to drop again pretty significantly. But I’m not exactly an expert here.

  64. Good job on the sales, especially Adam, and Carrie who increased her weekly sales. Really impressed with Carrie.

  65. FYE will fall hard. This week was the biggest (or one of for who thinks Christmas is bigger) in the whole year in sales and next week will be an ordinary one, so the normal drop will accentuate.

    Thats why I was surprised with Kris’ drop (34 k based on yesterday’s HDD, are there the actual sales number yet?). I expected it to be compensated in part by the bigger week, like Justin Bieber and Norah Jones. Sads.

  66. Kris Allan-the problem with the 59% drop is where he started from..80 thousand..

    Also, wouldn’t you expect a lower than usual drop off for albums whose second week is Black Friday week? I mean sales should’ve been bumped for everything across the board for that week.

    Flip side of the coin being a higher than usual drop next week coming down from the Black Friday week bump.

    ETA What Mila said.

  67. I just noticed there was a huge jump in singe FYE sales from the previous week. I think this shows this song is not dead yet. I have hopes that once the MV is released next week it will jump even more.

    It’s coming off of album release week and the AMA performance, isn’t it? Either way, I’d imagine it’s going to drop again pretty significantly. But I’m not exactly an expert here.

    Absolutely.

    However, it seems to me to demonstrate pretty clearly that at least some people liked the song from the AMA performance — some 38,000 people, to be exact, who most likely don’t include a whole lot of the Adam fans who were buying the album last week, because why would you deliberately buy both when they song is identical in both purchases.

    Seems to me to cast a lot of doubt on the theory that he lost a ton of sales because of the AMA. Looks to me a lot more likely that he lost some — and he also won some … so it was far more likely a wash as to its effect.

  68. Congrats ADAM!!!!

    It doesn’t bother me in the least that he fell shy of the 200k mark. I remember once coming home from school with a report card grade of 88 in Social Studies. My mother said home come I couldn’t get 90? Geez, it was my lowest grade.

    Adam’s numbers are fantastic!

  69. Not surprised that Carrie’s doing well. I’m guessing this trend will continue now that CMT’s showing her Invitation Only and she has the holiday special coming on Monday. Yay, Carrie!

  70. FYE will fall hard. This week was the biggest (or one of for who thinks Christmas is bigger) in the whole year in sales and next week will be an ordinary one, so the normal drop will accentuate.

    Definitely.

    The good news for Adam, I guess, is that if he can hold on with only a 75 to 80 percent drop, he’ll still be getting close to halfway to gold. And once you’re halfway to gold, you have a pretty good shot at it, especially if you have some more pr events and your radio play hasn’t fully kicked in yet (assuming that radio play does kick in, which has yet to be demonstrated, of course)

  71. Also, wouldn’t you expect a lower than usual drop off for albums whose second week is Black Friday week? I mean sales should’ve been bumped for everything across the board for that week.

    Well, since the normal drop ranges from 60-75%, one could argue that Kris’ 59% is on the low end.

    Still, I was hoping it would be closer to 50% myself. I’ll take what we got.

    Flip side of the coin being a higher than usual drop next week coming down from the Black Friday week bump.

    Yup. And that is where I worry about Kris, because he may end up in a pretty big hole to dig himself out of. I’m a little nervous, but hopefully Jive expects this and will not be fazed.

  72. Thats why I was surprised with Kris’ drop (34 k based on yesterday’s HDD, are there the actual sales number yet?). I expected it to be compensated in part by the bigger week, like Justin Bieber and Norah Jones. Sads.

    That’s true. I hadn’t thought about that. Kris’ second week was helped by it being Black Friday week.

    So, we should expect way more than a 60% drop for Adam.

    What was the 2nd week drops for Cook and Archie last year? Anyone know where to get this information?

  73. I just noticed there was a huge jump in singe FYE sales from the previous week. I think this shows this song is not dead yet. I have hopes that once the MV is released next week it will jump even more. That MV is too hot for words.

    I know- for some reason this makes me happier than the great album numbers!!
    The video is so cool!

  74. Personally, I think they are all doing wonderful, especially when you consider the number of artists who released new albums, etc. After all, you have a lot of illegal downloading from cheap people and there is only so much money to go around during this festive season…and it appears to have been spread around pretty well, in my humble opinion. Bravo to them all and I wish people would stop with the comparisons. It’s no big deal!

  75. I agree Momma52 but it seems to be the nature of the beast. I think they all will do fine and will still be relevent come this time next year.

  76. What was the 2nd week drops for Cook and Archie last year? Anyone know where to get this information?

    MJs? I hear they have a numbers thread. j/k

    11 David Archuleta “David Archuleta” 66,417 (-64%; lw 182,927) Total: 249,541 (2) (Week before Black Friday)
    10 David Cook ‘David Cook’  111,623 (-60%; lw 279,578 ) Total: 391,435 (3) (Black Friday Week)

  77. If Adam sells well next week, he will have accomplished what Kris, Cook and Archie couldn’t do. They all dropped their 2nd week. (Didn’t Cook drop by 70%?) I guess Kris,Cook and Archie aren’t ‘about the music’  either.

    David Cook had a 60% drop second week of sales. (opps Kirsten beat me to it)

  78. Fantastic for Adam!!! I’m happy :clap:

    As for the AMA effect, some people say it helps the sales (any publicity is good publicity) while some people think it hurts. I think the NET impact is small if not totally canceled out.

    It’s Adam’s fans made the first week sales. I think team Adam has his name out, I believe the album is GREAT. Now they need to connect these two things.

  79. 9 Carrie Underwood ‘Play On’  123,870 (44%; lw 86,218) Total: 656,342 (9)</strong.

    Go Carrie! That's awesome. She's been in the Top 10 since her album drop, right? And she has her 2 hour Holiday Special on FOX Monday. IN addition to all her other promo.

    Idol sales discussions are like sports (stats) discussions — to be compared, analyzed and dissected in perpetuity and ad naseum. Happens every year. And it's fun. Well, for me that is. I enjoy the fall sales numbers more than the actual TV show.

  80. Same thing happened to Cook last year.

    That’s not really true. Cook was predicted to sell 280-300K (the Friday prediction, not the Wednesday prediction at ~330K which is not really reliable, based it were on only one 1 days sales), so 279K isn’t that far off.

    Adam’s prediction looks to be more like Archie’s, though probably not as bad, off by more than 10K (Adam’s prediction was 210-230K). My own predication also turns out to be wrong – my upper limit was 180K, so just under 20K off. I blame the AMA controversy for messing up my prediction. Hehehe.

  81. ..Realistically outside of Idol Kris being the winner if his sales are not up to the high bar Ai sets ..it may be frown upon by some..

    Oh, yeah, it’ll definitely be frowned upon by some! ….

    But, honestly, to me, he put out a good solid album. And LLWD is definitely getting substantial radio play these days. And, as we saw above, his start was in the top 75 albums of the year — and there are *thousands* of albums that come out every year …. Kris is a good musician, he’s got his own cool performing vibe that appeals to quite a few people, he’s smart and clearly a hard worker. … He’s got a supportive fan base, even if it’s not huge.

    Having all that makes him a good commodity for the industry over the long haul, it seems to me. I have a hard time imagining that Jive, or if not Jive, somebody else, will be happy to see him through albums #two and three. Most of the idol finalists that want it have been able to secure themselves a steady career of some kind in the music/entertainment industry, and this seems to be especially true of the guys. I think that Kris is going to be fine. I’m sure he never wanted to be Britney, anyway.

  82. I completely agree that the MV of FYE will help sell the song- It is sooo sexy, but not in a scary way like the AMAs, just sexy and fun and a little surreal… What’s up with it being available for download only on Dec 15th (Adam tweeted so earlier)??? Why not now?

  83. Actually, out of all the numbers we have so far, I’m most surprised at Daughtry’s new single. I hear it quite often and I would have expected higher sales for “Life After You”. Not really stellar.

  84. Big congratulations to Adam. Enjoy the day, BB! Lovin’ the album and still discovering little gems sprinkled throughout the tracks every time I listen.

    Thank you Michael Slezak and Larry Flick for providing an opportunity for Adam to discuss his songs, music and thoughts about constructing his album.

    SuBo — wow! What an amazing personal story and inspiration to people of all ages.

  85. Actually, out of all the numbers we have so far, I’m most surprised at Daughtry’s new single. I hear it quite often and I would have expected higher sales for ‘Life After You’ . Not really stellar.

    Yeah, I agree. This surprised me, too. … I wonder what the radio picture really looks like — maybe it isn’t being played in enough markets yet, or something?

  86. 35 Adam Lambert ‘For Your Entertainment’  38,509 (98%; lw 19,465) Total: 102,436 (75)

    If the AMA performance was really all bad for Adam, I think this statistic is a little hard to explain, is it not?

    I think the feeling that it wasn’t good for Adam is based on the fact that the AMA’s had 14.2 million viewers. He got the “pimp” spot and the entire night was building up to his performance. Even if only 1% of the 14.2 million viewers were to have liked the performance enough to buy it, that would still translate to 142,000. As it is, 38,509 is roughly .3% of that audience.

  87. I would argue there is the strongest of evidence the AMAs helped. How else to explain the huge surge in FYE (song) sales, which occurred after it? I suspect some album sales came from it, too. Clearly quite a few bought because of it.

    On another note, someone yesterday (I forget who) stated that Kris dropped quickly into the 90’s his second week, and reiterated it when I disagreed. I think the context was to show that Adam’s drop was much less and he’d have a much better second week. I kept track on a private thread elsewhere all last week (I know, I’m a number nerd), so I have exact ranks from different days, which I only now had time to get into. Here are ranks from days where I kept track. Again, this is for context only and to correct the record. Kris album numbers on iTunes:

    Sun 22nd #31 and #32 (6 days from album drop)
    Mon 23rd #32 and #33, then #35 and #37 (couldn’t find Tues)
    Weds 25th #37 and #59, then later #34 and #88
    Thu 26th #35 and #98
    Fri 27th #50 and #133, then #54 (I quit tracking the 2nd version at this point)
    Sat 29th #57 (missed Sunday, apparently)
    Mon 1st #79, then #82, then #84, then #81
    Tues 2nd #80

    I suspect the poster did see a number or numbers in the 90’s, but they would have been for the less popular version, missing the higher-up one. I think Kris did hit in the 90’s at one point yesterday, though, but bounced back up. BTW, I have tracked this stuff because it is interesting from a marketing standpoint, and that is my background (along with numbers). I don’t have an axe to grind here.

  88. I completely agree that the MV of FYE will help sell the song- It is sooo sexy, but not in a scary way like the AMAs, just sexy and fun and a little surreal’ ¦ What’s up with it being available for download only on Dec 15th (Adam tweeted so earlier)??? Why not now?

    Well, Adam and his band were reportedly (via TWOP, at least) doing a promo video shoot for the new video site, Vevo, yesterday (as were a bunch of other entertainers, I guess). …. And Vevo opens on Dec. 8th. So I’m wondering whether they may have worked out some exclusive deal to show some videos, such as FYE, over there for a week before the videos go on general sale or something??

    (I’ve read a bit about Vevo over the past year or so, but I can’t say that I really comprehend at this point how it’s supposed to work or even what it’s supposed to do, exactly, lol.)

  89. Looks to me a lot more likely that he lost some ‘” and he also won some ‘ ¦ so it was far more likely a wash as to its effect.

    I think you’re right about that with regard to the performance itself; the subsequent publicity, however, likely spurred a lot of folks to check out the tune leading to increased sales.

    I’d call Adam’s numbers satisfactory, given the money that has been spent on him to date. He has already had two singles released from his album (three if you count TfM) and has received unprecendented exposure for an American Idol contestant. Yet he out-performed Archie by fewer than 20,000 units, with an extra day of sales, if I’m not mistaken, so I don’t think these are great numbers.

    I would love to see how much money RCA spent on Cook’s and Lambert’s respective roll-outs to compare the two. David outsold Adam by 80,000 units on his debut week, and I’d be shocked if David had anywhere near the budget to work with that Adam has.

  90. Jersey, as far as Daughtry, keep in mind this is not the lead single. Someone else can correct me if I’m wrong, but it might be the 3rd? Or at least the 2nd. Most of the time the lead single sells much better and gets far more promo. There are some highly notable exceptions. It is also building radio play, though I don’t have the numbers in front of me.

  91. I think the feeling that it wasn’t good for Adam is based on the fact that the AMA’s had 14.2 million viewers. He got the ‘pimp’  spot and the entire night was building up to his performance. Even if only 1% of the 14.2 million viewers were to have liked the performance enough to buy it, that would still translate to 142,000. As it is, 38,509 is roughly .3% of that audience.

    Yeah, I get that.

    But folks have been saying that it had a *negative* effect. … And I would call a .3 percent group actually buying the single more like a *neutral* effect (or even a very tiny positive one…) That’s all I’m saying — the sales *did* go up…. just not by very much!

    No matter how you spin it, it seems to me that that inevitably comes out as at least a largely neutral effect, rather than negative, it seems to me — since the number was actually *positive*, albeit a very tiny positive.

    For myself, I don’t believe that too many people buy any music when they’ve only heard it one time. …. I think the sales that seem to follow radio play bear this out. Usually sales of a single rise only after the thing’s been playing for a few weeks. That suggests to me that, mostly, we buy after a few hearings (or seeings), not just one. … Especially if we’ve never heard the artist’s music before.

  92. Did anyone notice that in the Billboard article about sales there was a listing of “Songs Mentioned in this Article” and “Sure Fire Winners” was featured on the left? Yet it wasn’t actually mentioned? Could that be the next single? Curious.

    Meanwhile, I am pleased to report that both Adam and Kris are receiving significant airplay in NYC. WPLJ is still playing both FYE and WWFM.

    In the last 24 hours:

    WWFM -3 spins
    FYE – 2 spins

    LLWD – 4 spins

    z100 is also spinning both WWFM and LLWD although I haven’t tracked it.

    I think this is great for both of them and hopefully continued radio support will help drive both albums.

  93. I think the feeling that it wasn’t good for Adam is based on the fact that the AMA’s had 14.2 million viewers. He got the ‘pimp’  spot and the entire night was building up to his performance.

    His segment was the lowest rated of the night, I think, which is common with awards shows. For some reason I think I remember seeing the viewership for the last half hour was something like 5-6 million? Does anyone have the correct info?

    Anyway, you have to look at the bumps for all the songs performed that night to get a feel for how Adam really did. Plus it was the week his album dropped, which always bumps up singles.

  94. …the MV of FYE will help sell the song- It is sooo sexy, but not in a scary way like the AMAs, just sexy and fun and a little surreal..

    Completely agree. Edgy with a smile – back to basics.

  95. Actually, out of all the numbers we have so far, I’m most surprised at Daughtry’s new single. I hear it quite often and I would have expected higher sales for ‘Life After You’ . Not really stellar.

    Wrong single in my opinion. I think You Don’t Belong is a far superior song and should have been the second single.

    I expect Adam to have a bigger than normal fall next week, down to 40-50K I think.

  96. I would love to see how much money RCA spent on Cook’s and Lamberts’ rollouts to compare the two. David outsold Adam by 80,000 units on his debut week, and I’d be shocked if David had anywhere near the budget to work with that Adam has.

    But Adam did not win AI. David did. Adam was already starting out with a smaller fanbase than Cook. Actually, all of the Idols this year started out with smaller fanbases than both Davids. So in that sense I guess they are doing pretty well.

    Anyways, I think Adam’s sales are good. They exceeded my expectations at least, and coming in number 3 is a good debut.

    Its amazing that Susan Boyle sold almost 3 million records worldwide in 7 days. Thats absolutely amazing.

  97. What’s up with it being available for download only on Dec 15th (Adam tweeted so earlier)??? Why not now?

    Maybe because RCA isn’t going to make the same mistake this time around and release something without some promo. The video is now up on VH1 for viewing…it will probably be released to the cable TV music stations, and there will be more twitters about its availability.

  98. Thanks Indymuse. I’m sure you’re correct re: Daughtry. In my area, though, the radio stations love them some Daughtry so I’ve heard the song alot. If that’s any indication, I’m sure he’ll pick up sales soon!

  99. Lucy-
    You could be right!! I HOPE you’re right! It would be sweet if there was some exclusive video deal with Vevo that would help put the video out there!

  100. But folks have been saying that it had a *negative* effect. ‘ ¦ And I would call a .3 percent group actually buying the single more like a *neutral* effect (or even a very tiny positive one’ ¦) That’s all I’m saying ‘” the sales *did* go up’ ¦. just not by very much!

    No matter how you spin it, it seems to me that that inevitably comes out as at least a largely neutral effect, rather than negative, it seems to me ‘” since the number was actually *positive*, albeit a very tiny positive.

    Yes, at this point this is actually just nitpicking at it. And you’re right it was not really a negative in that he did not lose sales. I guess the disappointment just comes from the fact that it could have been an opportunity to get a super big positive but instead it was just a wash or at the most a very tiny positive. It was a wasted opportunity. But time to move on. Also, the vid could probably help sell a few more of the single.

    It looks like the 2nd single off the album is going to pick up and so far he’s been performing it really well in his appearances so hopefully this one will pan out better.

  101. Way to go, Adam!!

    Look at all the name brands that this new artist lept right over. And, actually, I intend to look, literally. The high-end audio record store near-by lines up the albums on a wall by Top 40 Ranking. And there FYE will be at #3!

    That kind of placement has to help in the holiday shopping season. Even if it just means increased awareness among those picking up their SuBo GrandMa Gifts. They could be downloading with their iTunes gift cards January.

    And, lucy, interesting point about those 38K people going for FYE single. Why not the album? If you like FYE, you’re going to think it’s a strong album. Maybe it’s the economy? People not buying as many albums. Maybe they’re used to albums not having so many great tracks so don’t think album. (And the snippets do not do the tracks justice) Or maybe they’re waiting for iTunes gift card for holidays and will complete album later.

  102. Lucy-
    You could be right!! I HOPE you’re right! It would be sweet if there was some exclusive video deal with Vevo that would help put the video out there!

    I hope I’m right, too! The timing seems suspiciously correct! …. I have a lot of fantasies, however, so this may be one of those, unfortunately!

  103. But Adam did not win AI. David did. Adam was already starting out with a smaller fanbase than Cook.

    Well, you’d never know Adam didn’t win based on how he was treated after the show was over. He got signed to RCA like Cook, while Kris was given the Archie treatment. And how does anybody know that Cook has a larger fanbase than Adam? (Why did some wackos have to ruin that word, LOL???) You can’t draw that conclusion from the voting on Idol. I mean with all the crazy text voting, there’s no way to know for sure one way or the other.

  104. But Adam did not win AI. David did. Adam was already starting out with a smaller fanbase than Cook. Actually, all of the Idols this year started out with smaller fanbases than both Davids. So in that sense I guess they are doing pretty well.

    Unique, let me know when you have all the ballots counted….

  105. Rhianna came in 4th. According to billboard, this is Rhianna’s highest debut. So he’s never been a huge opener, but a better closer.

    Rihanna, by the way, seems to be one of those people whose sales are very much driven by radio play… She got an incredible number of adds this week — 55!! … Way more than anybody else …. And it seems that her very very very solid radio play must really help her sustain sales over time.

  106. I’d be shocked if David had anywhere near the budget to work with that Adam has.

    Based on the little I know of the recording industry…..Any promo budget is taken out of the sales totals before profit is distributed between the artist and the label. So if more was spent on Adam then the Davids (for example) it means that “Adam” was willing to gamble more on himself than the other Artists did.

    Also, Adam has to pay his band out of his “share” for any performances. Based on who Adam has playing for him I would gather he was more concerned with the quality of his band then the expense to him. And not picking on anyone but I know that Archie fired his first band because they were too expensive.

    So…if Adam is willing to risk more of his earnings to get his name “out there” that is his choice. Some Artists are willing to put their earnings on the line….some are a lot more conservative.

  107. My theory about 12/15 for the FYE MV to itunes may be that this date cooresponds with the big Adam connected launched of the music video site VEVO

  108. remember his is also hosting the LOGO Next Pop on 12/7 at 7 pm there is a short Adam promo video of his hosting on their site

  109. Actually, I think it is the label that was willing to make the gamble, or the label together with AL. And he will have to sell enough to recoup it.

  110. Did winner catch up to sparks low week ever yet? Only good one carrie and Kelly.

  111. Unique, let me know when you have all the ballots counted’ ¦.

    I”m not using votes, I’m using sales. lol Adam, Kris, and Allison’s singles have sold terribly. Kris has sold the most, but compared to last year its not good at all. Plus, the viewership for AI was lower this year than last. I’m not saying they won’t outsell David Cook in the end, but I think the numbers do point out that both David’s started out a bit better. David A. had a hit single on his hands by now with Crush. No one this year has a hit single yet.

    Well, you’d never know Adam didn’t win based on how he was treated after the show was over.

    Perception and reality are different. I see Beyonce on my tv and magazine covers more, but plenty of people outsell her. Besides, Kris has done tons of promotion that Adam hasn’t done but thats a mute point. I’m not going to argue about that anymore.

    Rihanna, by the way, seems to be one of those people whose sales are very much driven by radio play’ ¦ She got an incredible number of adds this week ‘” 55!! ‘ ¦ Way more than anybody else ‘ ¦. And it seems that her very very very solid radio play must really help her sustain sales over time.

    Yes. It does seem that way. Thats a LOT of adds for a week. Wow.

  112. And how does anybody know that Cook has a larger fanbase than Adam?

    This discussion has already been done and dusted. If anyone actually believes that Adam has a larger fanbase than (or even equal the fanbase of) David Cook then they will have a hard time explaining Adam’s singles and album sales. It’s an impossibility I think. Adam may get a bigger fanbase than Cook in a year or two time, but his initial idol fanbase cannot be bigger.

  113. But Adam did not win AI. David did.

    I think a bigger factor, to me anyway, is that Cook had a coronation single playing on radio all throughout the typical Idol downtime. Actually, most if not all of the AI winners before him had the same thing. Maybe most of the play was only on HAC, but still it was out there. And, it stayed out there until the album drop date. That seems to be a big help.

    Kris & Adam didn’t have that luxury. NoBo was DOA pretty much right out of the gate. I understand that it was a pretty horrible song, but honestly, most of the Idol coronation songs are also pretty horrible. People seemed to buy them anyway in previous years, regardless of the inferior quality.

    For me, out of all 8 seasons, I don’t see any reason to buy an Idol coronation song – other than the fact that it is an AI coronation song. The season 1 – 7 songs also have very little redeeming qualities (to me anyway). Kelly’s is probably the least offensive, but I think they’re all pretty bad. And, millions of people still bought them.

    I don’t know if NoBo was exponentially worse or if people are just no longer buying AI music as a knee jerk reaction. I just think it’s somewhat of a factor – especially in relation to Kris’s numbers. Having a song on the radio all through the summer would have been helpful. So, it was a stroke of bad luck that NoBo died such a quick death.

  114. interesting to me is that in that Billboard albums sales article, the Adam song they promote is Sure Fire Winners…..

  115. Wow Susan Boyle did incredibly well and I am sure her story and voice are only part of the reason. Alot of artists have compelling background stories and don’t sell like that.It looks like releasing an album of mostly great covers has a huge market. Have any of the idols ever done that for their first album and sold anywhere close to what Susan sold. With the limited time to put together an album maybe idols should do 3 or 4 cover songs and focus on making fewer of their own songs sound better. I notice on all three Kris, Adam and Allison’s albums there are several songs with tweaking that could go from good to great suggesting the timeframe constraint effected them. I wonder what will happen will we have the four signed idols all going platinum or nobody going platinum this season. Adam has several songs on his album that are unique that if they took off as singles on the radio could really help his album sales. I am glad my daughter is more interested in Allison’s album than Miley Cyrus’s.

  116. The promo that Idols get out of the gate is not up to them. They have no control over it because the label is gambling on how they will do. It is wrong to say that the Idols chose to have less promo to save money because that is not how it works. The idols have to pay for the promo with the sales of the albums but out of the gate they do not dictate to the labels how much or how little promo they will get. That is up to the label.

  117. USA Today Idol Chatter Sales

    * Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (198,000, debut, 199,000 total/38,000 digital, debut, 38,000 digital total)
    * Carrie Underwood, Play On (124,000, +44 percent, 656,000/5,000 digital, -30 percent, 93,000 digital total)
    * Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 32 (76,000, +31 percent, 304,000/4,000 digital total)
    * Glee, Glee: The Music Vol. 1 (68,000, +33 percent, 287,000)
    * Kris Allen, Kris Allen (33,000, -59 percent, 113,000/4,000 digital, -85 percent, 28,000 digital total)
    * Rod Stewart, Soulbook (24,000, +16 percent, 194,000)
    * David Archuleta, Christmas From the Heart (21,000, 21 percent, 89,000/3,000 digital, +68 percent, 12,000 digital total)
    * Various, Wow Hits 2010 (21,000, +49 percent)
    * Daughtry, Leave This Town (18,000, +57 percent, 767,000/2,000 digital, +21 percent, 137,000 digital total)
    * Various, Now That’s What I Call a Country Christmas (17,000, +51 percent, 49,000/1,000 digital, +150 percent, 2,000 digital total)
    * Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted (11,000, +114 percent, 766,000/3,000 digital, +240 percent, 164,000)
    * Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 31 (10,000, +29 percent, 781,000)
    * Soundtrack, Hannah Montana 3 (10,000, +70 percent, 504,000)
    * Various, Now That’s What I Call Country Vol. 2 (7,000, +20 percent, 164,000)
    * Various, A Very Special Christmas Vol. 7 (7,000, debut, 7,000/3,000 digital, debut, 3,000 digital total) (features tracks by Carrie Underwood and Kellie Pickler)
    * Adam Lambert, Take One (6,000, -50 percent, 17,000)
    * Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (4,000, +35 percent, 342,000)
    * Various, Now That’s What I Call Country (2,000, +32 percent, 391,000)

  118. I think both Adam and Kris are doing great in light of this year’s economy. I think part of the reason for the overall slump in sales is that folks are giving less or nothing this Christmas. I had many of my family members and friends tell me over the Thanksgiving hoilday that they were not exchanging gifts this Christmas. We had a leftovers party on Black Friday because no one in the immediate group was going shopping. The lone exceptions were my husband and me, who did go to an area store to get coats for each other. But when the early bird sales time ran out the (chain) store instantly cleared of almost all its customers.

    So again, I am proud of Adam for holding his own this season. Rihanna and Lady GaGa were stiff competition but the need for money in the pocket can’t be overcome.

  119. I think a bigger factor, to me anyway, is that Cook had a coronation single playing on radio all throughout the typical Idol downtime. Actually, most if not all of the AI winners before him had the same thing. Maybe most of the play was only on HAC, but still it was out there. And, it stayed out there until the album drop date. That seems to be a big help.

    Good point, plus, I think DC’s album was up for pre-sale a lot earlier.

  120. Wow! Looking at Idol Chatter sales, you can see how little itunes sales are in comparison to everything else. Yet, we look at itune ratings daily. Also, WHO is buying Take One? 17000 people have bought that?? Jeez! Didn’t they get the memo?

  121. I think a bigger factor, to me anyway, is that Cook had a coronation single playing on radio all throughout the typical Idol downtime. Actually, most if not all of the AI winners before him had the same thing. Maybe most of the play was only on HAC, but still it was out there. And, it stayed out there until the album drop date. That seems to be a big help.

    Most coronation songs die sometime over the summer. So I don’t think a lot of idols had them really be able to help outside Kelly. I could be wrong on that. Also, while TOML did get a lot of play on HAC, it’s biggest format was AC, as is for most other coronation songs. But I do agree with you that TOML helped Cook stay visible, and that LO acted more like a second single in terms of its ability to help sell the album because of TOML.

  122. * Kris Allen, Kris Allen (33,000, -59 percent, 113,000/4,000 digital, -85 percent, 28,000 digital total)

    Well, that’s disappointing. I didn’t expect Kris to drop by much, so that isn’t good. Will have to adjust all predictions downward, but I do still expect him to go gold. Eventually anyway.

  123. Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (198,000, debut, 199,000 total/38,000 digital, debut, 38,000 digital total)

    So most of Adam’s sales were hard copies. Its amazing how much people look at Itunes rankings trying to garner who is selling the most.

    This also shots down the theory that Adam sold so much because of the Amazon 1 1/2 day sale.

  124. And how does anybody know that Cook has a larger fanbase than Adam?

    This discussion has already been done and dusted. If anyone actually believes that Adam has a larger fanbase than (or even equal the fanbase of) David Cook then they will have a hard time explaining Adam’s singles and album sales. It’s an impossibility I think. Adam may get a bigger fanbase than Cook in a year or two time, but his initial idol fanbase cannot be bigger.

    Plus that whole not winning thing. That’s usually an indication that your fanbase isn’t that big. But yes, I think the anemic singles sales for Adam certainly point to the fact that his fanbase isn’t as large as Cooks’.

  125. “not picking on anyone but I know that Archie fired his first band because they were too expensive.”

    This is a misrepresentation of fact, Tess. The way I understood things, that first band used for the Jingle Balls was pushed by Jive and not chosen by David&team at all. I don’t believe they were ever meant to be a permanent band. After the Jingle Ball series, D&t selected band members for the solo tour. (One of the Jingle Ball players is currently joining David on at least a part of the holiday tour.)

    Also, I think the label and mgmt. team have more to do with promotion decisions (financial and otherwise) than the performer.

  126. So most of Adam’s sales were hard copies. Its amazing how much people look at Itunes rankings trying to garner who is selling the most.

    Well when it comes to first week sales, ITunes usually is a pretty good rough indicator of who is dong well, even if the order doesn’t end up exactly the same.

    But as time goes on in an album’s life cycle, it gets less reliable as an indicator of general chart position and more useful as a tracker of the impact of TV appearances on album sales.

  127. His segment was the lowest rated of the night, I think, which is common with awards shows. For some reason I think I remember seeing the viewership for the last half hour was something like 5-6 million? Does anyone have the correct info?

    The 10:30-11:00 segment had over 13 million viewers — and lowest rating segments was the first 30 minutes which included Daughtry. Kelly and Carrie were in high audience segments. Holding 13 million viewers to the end of the awards show was excellent and beat expectations.

    ABC, The 2009 American Music Awards averaged a hefty 14.16 million viewers and a 5.5/14 among adults 18-49 from 8-11 p.m., building by noticeable 1.96 million viewers and eight percent in the demo from the comparable year-ago evening (viewers: 12.20 million; A18-49: 5.1/12 on Nov. 23, 2008).

    Here is the half-hour breakdown:

    2009 American Music Awards (ABC)

    8:00 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 12.00 million (#3); A18-49: 4.3/11 (#2)

    8:30 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 13.65 million (#2); A18-49: 4.9/12 (#2)

    9:00 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 15.45 million (#1); A18-49: 5.9/14 (#1)

    9:30 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 15.67 million (#1); A18-49: 6.3/15 (#1)

    10:00 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 15.18 million (#1); A18-49: 6.1/15 (#1)

    10:30 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 13.03 million (#2); A18-49: 5.3/14 (#2)

  128. Also, while TOML did get a lot of play on HAC, it’s biggest format was AC, as is for most other coronation songs.

    And holy moly do those songs have a long shelf life on AC. Whenever I’m radio channel surfing, if I stop at the local AC channel, I am bound to hear Kelly’s Moment like this – or that horrid song that TPTB made Bo Bice record as his first single. So, I will not be surprised at all if 5 years from now, they’re still playing TOML.

    Okay – here’s my confession for the day: My 5 year old desperately wants Santa to put that Hanna Montana CD in her Christmas stocking. So yeah, there you have it, I’m one of the people who bought it this week. BUT – she also wants Allison’s – so I ordered that one too. Hopefully, that will help you all forgive me :)

  129. Ok, here’s my take:

    First, I won’t even TOUCH a comparison between the guys this year and previous AI years, even the Davids last year. All the sales numbers are way down this year (unless your name is SuBo, Andrea Bocelli, or Taylor Swift) because of the economy, buyer behavior, etc. To me, it makes next to no sense to compare Adam to DA or DC last year.

    As for the AMAs – I believe they did help, especially the media coverage after the show (I think news stories like the GMA cancellation helped turn the tide more in Adam’s favor over the whole thing). And as for whether Adam could have helped himself more with the AMA performance, I’m a little split on that.

    First, I think FYE as it was planned would not have stood out very much, and as such would have been much more easily forgotten and not been all over the media as it was. To that extent, I do think Adam might have helped himself more by going OTT and stirring up the controversy – it certainly got him noticed and remembered – a good thing the week your album is dropping.

    Then, I wonder about him performing another song, specifically WWFM. He does it so well, and could have really given a knock out vocal performance with that – but, for his “introduction to America” – would it really have worked as well to boost the album sales? IDK – hard to tell. The AMAs skews younger, so would all those kids really have been that impressed with an amazing vocal performance and Adam in more sedate (though highly emotional) mode? FYE represented much more of the polarizing, love him or hate him Adam that was on display on idol (though the AMAs were decidedly turned up a notch or two).

    I guess I’m split on what would have really been the best showcase for him, and what would have helped the most. IMO the controversy was not really such a bad thing to get him out there and make people notice him.

    Final point, thinking about ALL of these sales numbers, including people like Rihanna who also did a TON of publicity for her album, I’m left to wonder, seriously, how are all these artists expected to make money on their stuff? I mean, so many of the album sales are way down, itunes is peaking and won’t be the juggernaut it always was before, and it predominantly pushes low margin singles anyways. In that respect, I always expected (and still do) that Adam is meant to be much more of a brand, going into all sorts of different media and making money that way, because as many have said, just selling albums isn’t really cutting it anymore.

  130. * David Archuleta, Christmas From the Heart (21,000, 21 percent, 89,000/3,000 digital, +68 percent, 12,000 digital total)

    fantastic numbers for david a and ”christmas from the heart”! it’s selling very consistently, with increases every week… it’s currently at number 24 on the overall album chart at itunes, and number 7 on the itunes holiday album chart… fully expect to see it go well over 100k in total sales in the next reporting period…

  131. alaadam
    12/02/2009 at 10:51 am

    Wow! Looking at Idol Chatter sales, you can see how little itunes sales are in comparison to everything else. Yet, we look at itune ratings daily. Also, WHO is buying Take One? 17000 people have bought that?? Jeez! Didn’t they get the memo?

    One could argue that people got confused and bought the wrong album, so in effect Adam really did break 200k. (just kidding)

  132. There;s a thought going around that David Cook may get nominated for a Best New Artist Grammy…

    Those are really good numbers for Adam! I think numbers for the single FYE is gong to drop way off, as it has already slid way back down on iTunes and the radio stations seem more interested in playing WWFM. It may get another bump when the music video comes out, but that seems to be a short-term bump for artists. More important is how big a drop the album has in its 2nd week. If it doesn’t drop more than 50-60%, that should be a good sign. And WWFM may see a big increase in sales the next couple weeks if it can get some real radio play.

    Good sign for Kris that LLWD didn’t drop much — the increased radio play should compensate for the 12% drop. And it looks like his album sales dropped by less than most of the people who debuted last week? (of course he was starting from a smaller debut # to begin with, but…)

    Allison’s album is still #10 on iTunes overall chart. Will be interesting to see the 1-day prediction HDD puts out for her

    EDIT: oh and if you look at the videos from last night, you can see how happy Kris is just to be performing his own music live — and the crowd loved him. So if Jive has talked to him at all about sales, it doesn’t seem to be affecting him publicly at all. Which is nice to see.

  133. Okay ‘“ here’s my confession for the day: My 5 year old desperately wants Santa to put that Hanna Montana CD in her Christmas stocking. So yeah, there you have it, I’m one of the people who bought it this week. BUT ‘“ she also wants Allison’s ‘“ so I ordered that one too. Hopefully, that will help you all forgive me

    Oh, SpencerJ, I am sure to suffer the same fate, so no judgement here. LOL. My 6 year old is all about the Selena Gomez. Shoot me now.

    10:30 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 13.03 million (#2); A18-49: 5.3/14 (#2)

    Thanks Q3! The 5.3 was the number that stuck in my head, but that was the rating and not the viewership!

  134. I think a bigger factor, to me anyway, is that Cook had a coronation single playing on radio all throughout the typical Idol downtime. Actually, most if not all of the AI winners before him had the same thing. Maybe most of the play was only on HAC, but still it was out there. And, it stayed out there until the album drop date. That seems to be a big help.

    I will concede that that albatross of song had to have helped David’s sales, but I don’t agree that having a hit single is a prerequisite for the eventual album to sell well. Daughtry didn’t need a hit single for his album to blow up the charts. And Adam had every bit the buzz that Chris Daughtry did for a “shock” finish on the show.

    NoBo was only marginally worse a song than TOML anyway, so Kris and/or Adam could have knocked it out of the park when they performed it on the show, and then it would have sold better than it did. Adam, after all, is the guy who “can sing anything.”

  135. I’m so happy for Adam. He looked rather downtrodden on Ellen yesterday, IMO, and tho his performance was great of WWFM, best yet. But he also got a huge hug (he actually hugged *her* harder) from her, and then sent a tweet last night thanking her for her support. This should certainly boost his spirits.

  136. Have any of the idols ever done that for their first album and sold anywhere close to what Susan sold. With the limited time to put together an album maybe idols should do 3 or 4 cover songs and focus on making fewer of their own songs sound better.

    Boyle can get away with this because she’s an easy-listening artist, where covers are a huge part of the field, and she’s also kind of a ‘souvenir’ artist, whose album people buy partly for the music and partly for something else.

    A new young artist in pop or rock or country or the like would be laughed out of the industry if they debuted with an EP of covers, most likely, and the idols have enough credibility problems to deal with without adding that one to it, I think!

    In SB’s field — cover albums for your “debut” are fine. … In other sectors of music, they just aren’t.

  137. I’d say Kelly’s sales of 11k albums after her stellar appearance on the AMAs with a bigger audience is a fantastic argument for the AMAs performance/controversy driving Glambert’s single sales and possibly his album sales. Granted, her album has been out a long time, but this is actually a better indicator. Much of her sales were from this appearance. Daughtry had an 18k sales week on an older album, too. Those were both big % spikes. Carrie actually went down, but then her album is only a few weeks old. It is harder to isolate the AMA effect. Since AL’s song is also relatively new, you can see the huge spike he got from the AMAs, since it surely was not due to airplay, which the others had working for them.

  138. I wonder what will happen will we have the four signed idols all going platinum or nobody going platinum this season.

    I’d say nobody, most likely. Or nobody very soon, at any rate …..

    But that will be true industry-wide. Very very very few people are going platinum with albums any more. When they shifted the platinum standard to 1 million, music sales were on the rise, but since then they’ve dropped off like crazy. You really can’t compare the market these guys are up against to the way it was in the past, I don’t think.

  139. Whenever I’m radio channel surfing, if I stop at the local AC channel, I am bound to hear Kelly’s Moment like this ‘“ or that horrid song that TPTB made Bo Bice record as his first single.

    While I was shopping hte other day, I heard in stores not only A Moment Like This but Fantasia’s I Believe *and* Time of My Life.

    They just go on and on and on.

  140. Mary102 Once again, as is often the case, I totally agree with you. I am very happy with the numbers for Adam and quite over the AMA thing. I think it may have helped him get himself out there. Personally, I loved the AMA except for some vocals, and loved his ‘save’ when he fell. The Ninja roll was great!!!! :)

  141. A new young artist in pop or rock or country or the like would be laughed out of the industry if they debuted with an EP of covers, most likely, and the idols have enough credibility problems to deal with without adding that one to it, I think!

    I agree about idols but Joss Stone got a TON of buzz in 2003 and I think a Best New Artist nomination at the Grammys after releasing an EP of covers. Her lead single was Fell In Love With A Boy which was a reworking of a White Stripes song.

  142. First, I won’t even TOUCH a comparison between the guys this year and previous AI years, even the Davids last year. All the sales numbers are way down this year (unless your name is SuBo, Andrea Bocelli, or Taylor Swift) because of the economy, buyer behavior, etc. To me, it makes next to no sense to compare Adam to DA or DC last year.

    And why couldn’t Adam have been a SuBo, Bocelli or Taylor Swift? He got tremendous promotion both on Idol and after the season ended. He clearly has had way more money spent on him than Kris Allen has, and possibly more than last season’s winner, David Cook. And while the economy sucks, it sucked just as much last year at the time of Cook’s release. Cook was some bartender who “accidentally” won the show; Adam is a Certified Rock Gawd. If anything, Adam should have out-sold Cook by a wide margin.

  143. There was a huge drop from late 2007 to late 2008, and huge drops in the years before. Again, this year’s drop was 13%, and several people (SuBo, Taylor Swift, Carrie) are proof an artist can still sell a lot anyway. Somewhere late in 2008 seems to have begun almost a new era in music sales. Prior to that is hard to compare. Since then can still be fairly compared, with some adjustment.

  144. I agree about idols but Joss Stone got a TON of buzz in 2003 and I think a Best New Artist nomination at the Grammys after releasing an EP of covers. Her lead single was Fell In Love With A Boy which was a reworking of a White Stripes song.

    True, but as you say she wasn’t already saddled with the You’re an idol! You sing karaoke! thing. ….

    Plus, we seem to have more tolerance for this with artists who come out of England and are kind of updated blues singers and include some throwbacky music in their cds, for some reason, it seems to me.

  145. David Cook’s TOML was all over my HAC station last fall—it was frustrating, because I kept wanting them to spin LO. And it still gets play on there today. I know several people who bought DC just for that song. The smartest thing 19 did, though, was put up Cook’s presale right after the finale when emotions were running so high.

  146. * David Archuleta, Christmas From the Heart (21,000, +21 percent, 89,000/3,000 digital, +68 percent, 12,000 digital total)

    fantastic numbers for david a and ‘ christmas from the heart’ ! it’s selling very consistently, with increases every week’ ¦ it’s currently at number 24 on the overall album chart at itunes, and number 7 on the itunes holiday album chart’ ¦ fully expect to see it go well over 100k in total sales in the next reporting period’ ¦

    It’s great to see that David’s album sales continue to increase from week to week. I just checked the RSS feeds, it’s now at #23 on iTunes overall and it’s the #17 Bestseller in Music at Amazon. :) :) :)

  147. I find it interesting that this year’s Black Friday sales were topped by two non-edgy singers, which might lead you to believe it was all about Christmas. Last year, I don’t recall about Black Friday, but the week before, the big sellers were Nickelback and Beyonce, with David Cook nipping at their heels. Apparently it isn’t all about feel-good Christmas-y sales accounting for who topped the charts this year for the week. I think all 3 did well last year for Black Friday week, too. There was not a similar feel-good vibe in the top sellers at all.

  148. And why couldn’t Adam have been a SuBo, Bocelli or Taylor Swift? He got tremendous promotion both on Idol and after the season ended. He clearly has had way more money spent on him than Kris Allen has, and possibly more than last season’s winner, D

    Because he doesn’t sing easy listening or country, and thus, unlike Boyle, Bocelli, and Swift, he sings in a genre where sales are down down down from where they were a few years ago? Where people who used to routinely open with 300,000-plus weeks now struggle to get 150,000?

    The genre of music really does have a lot to do with overall sales.

    Plus, Adam is, as many have stated, a way polarizing figure, for various reasons. … After all, during the AI season, he arguably got by *far* the most attention from the media, the judges, etc., of any of the contestants, with Danny Gokey being the only one coming close in that, and yet he didn’t win. … And whether it’s true or not, rumor has long had it that he lost in a landslide. ….

    So if people aren’t going to vote for him in tremendous, gigantic numbers, why are we supposed to think that he would *sell* in tremendous numbers right out of the gate?

    Media and tv attention didn’t help him win the show, so I don’t see why it would be expected to get him stellar sales, either, especially right out of the gate, with no music on the radio or anything. And especially since most of the media attention focused on stuff like him kissing his boyfriend, posing for sexy pictures, etc. …

    Since when do a lot of entertainment-tv stories about your being gay and thus fascinating to a lot of people because your sexuality titillates or infuriates them help you sell music? They will help keep your name in the news, I admit, and I do believe that, in the long run, that probably helps you. But I don’t think there’s any evidence from *any* musician that they help you in the short run, before your music itself is known or established.

  149. The smartest thing 19 did, though, was put up Cook’s presale right after the finale when emotions were running so high.

    Kris’s had presale album available right away as well, and if you believe EW, Adam’s Amazon presales were the biggest ever for AI alum. Also, David Cook’s initial presales were all canceled by Amazon and people had to reconfirm their order to still receive their albums. At the time, many people didn’t reconfirm because they were going to buy other versions of the album with bonus tracks.

  150. BootStar, Adam is way too polarizing to ever have Cook’s opening numbers. He was way too polarizing to win the show, even. That is not to say he won’t do as well as Cook in the long run.

  151. Lucy, as in my post above, last year Nickelback and Beyonce and David Cook topped the charts around this time, and they are neither country nor easy listening. The prior top-selling album for this year was Eminem, I believe.

    And again, all evidence points to the controversy selling, based on the huge increase in sales of fye. I believe the album also sold more because of it, though I can’t prove it.

  152. Aileen, all I know is that there were a lot of reports about “massive preorders” for Cook last year. I followed him pretty closely after the show, I’m still a big fan, and there was lots of excitement over this on his website and other places.

  153. Lucy, as in my post above, last year Nickelback and Beyonce and David Cook topped the charts around this time,

    yeah, but they didn’t top the charts with Susan Boyle-level numbers. If they’d been up against Susan, she would hvae beaten them out, too, by quite a large margin, would she not? …. That’s all *I’m* saying. … Last year there *was* no Susan Boyle.

    And as for the controversy selling? I agree that it does, to some people. But it didn’t help him win the show… so it obviously has the opposite effect on at least some people, too. …. I would say that Adam and Kris are about equivalently talented, albeit in different ways, and look at which one got the edge in votes (so either in number of voters or in level of commitment of those voters.) It was Kris, the non-controversial guy…. And I’m not convinced that controversy entices people to *spend* more than it would entice them to *vote.*

  154. First, I won’t even TOUCH a comparison between the guys this year and previous AI years, even the Davids last year. All the sales numbers are way down this year (unless your name is SuBo, Andrea Bocelli, or Taylor Swift) because of the economy, buyer behavior, etc. To me, it makes next to no sense to compare Adam to DA or DC last year.

    I know you’re talking about it philosophically, but you do have indicators telling you how much the sales would have gone down from last year to this year with everything else being equal — which you can’t, of course, have because they are different artists, with some in different genres, with differing levels of hype/promo and existing fanbases). Album sales are down 13% from 2008, and 12% down from the same Black Friday week last year. That’s it. That could be seen as “way down” or just a little bit down. Personally, I think the decrease has more to do with continuing increases in illegal downloading than with the economy. People actually spent a little more shopping during Black Friday week this year than last year — though it was just by a little bit. The economy is NOT a factor here IMO.

  155. Album sales are down 13% from 2008, and 12% down from the same Black Friday week last year. That’s it. That could be seen as ‘way down’  or just a little bit down.

    You know, whatever the reason for it, if I were the music industry, I believe I’d definitely see a 12 percent drop in sales as *way* down, lol.

    I mean, this is American business, after all…. Just recently in my own company, we were informed that our profits are *up* by 5.5 percent over 2008, and that *that* is “disappointing.” ….. So a 12 percent drop in sales? yep, *way* down.

  156. Lucy- if rumor has long had it that he (Adam) lost in a landslide. ‘ ¦. is true, where were all the fans of Kris Allen when it came to buying his cd?
    This is what I can’t understand. Adam alledgedly lost, but has outsold Kris twice over! Where’s the logic in that?

  157. And why couldn’t Adam have been a SuBo, Bocelli or Taylor Swift? He got tremendous promotion both on Idol and after the season ended

    Lucy already made many of the points I would to this, but just to add:
    Adam didn’t have anywhere near the publicity or name recognition as SuBo or Taylor – ask anyone, all year long, who either of them are, and they’d know. Not so much for Adam (though he is well known for an AI contestant).

    And mainly it comes down to the polarizing nature of Adam. He’s extremely talented, but there are a ton of people out there who either love him or hate him – and those haters aren’t gonna be buying albums. For the holidays, SuBo and Bocelli make the most sense to sell well – stocking stuffers, middle of the road, safe, holiday fare, etc. The guy doing S&M acts and scarring little children for life, eh, he may have more of a niche audience, just a thought ;-)

    Personally, a part of me finds it rather hilarious that you have:

    1. SuBo
    2. Andrea Bocelli
    3. Adam

    One of these things is not like the other, lol.

  158. Because he doesn’t sing easy listening or country, and thus, unlike Boyle, Bocelli, and Swift, he sings in a genre where sales are down down down from where they were a few years ago? Where people who used to routinely open with 300,000-plus weeks now struggle to get 150,000?

    Hey, that’s a good point!

    If we look at it on a genre by genre basis, what’s the average decline from one year to the next. I’m sure someone is keeping track of those numbers (*pokes number nerds*). In other words, what’s the percent decline in album sales in country vs. pop vs. rhythmic/dance vs. alt rock vs. mainstream rock vs. AC vs. hip-hop/rap during the last few years?

  159. Lucy- if rumor has long had it that he (Adam) lost in a landslide. ‘ ¦. is true, where were all the fans of Kris Allen when it came to buying his cd?
    This is what I can’t understand. Adam alledgedly lost, but has outsold Kris twice over! Where’s the logic in that?

    Well, not to beat a dead horse (again), but there is a lot of speculation that Kris won by so much in part because of the “vote against Adam”, rather than the “vote for Kris”. Those people who voted Kris to the title didn’t necessarily care enough to stick by him through the summer and into the fall. Even speaking to friends of mine who didn’t like Adam on the show, and likely voted Kris in the end, I don’t ever hear that much enthusiasm for Kris – as in, they like the guy, but they’re not exactly the first in line to buy his cd.

  160. Bottom line:

    David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Happened after AI iTunes
    Happened after debut singles
    Happened after debut sales number

  161. NoBo was only marginally worse a song than TOML anyway, so Kris and/or Adam could have knocked it out of the park when they performed it on the show, and then it would have sold better than it did. Adam, after all, is the guy who ‘can sing anything.’ 

    NoBo was never given a chance. It was panned on the show itself immediately after it was sung for the first time. TOML was never critiqued on the show since the first time we heard it was after Cook won. Had NoBo been the same I do think it would have had the chance. Also, Adam and Kris both released a version of the song so stations had the opportunity to choose between them. Archie has admitted to recording TOML but his version was never released so it was one version only for the HAC stations to pick up.

    Lucy- if rumor has long had it that he (Adam) lost in a landslide. ‘ ¦. is true, where were all the fans of Kris Allen when it came to buying his cd?
    This is what I can’t understand. Adam alledgedly lost, but has outsold Kris twice over! Where’s the logic in that?

    This is fact of what we knoew – Kris won, Adam outsold him first week. No one knows how much Kris won by and no one knows the exact reason Adam outsold Kris (though we all have our thoughts, some good some bad). It doesn’t need logic it just is.

  162. Lucy- if rumor has long had it that he (Adam) lost in a landslide. ‘ ¦. is true, where were all the fans of Kris Allen when it came to buying his cd?
    This is what I can’t understand. Adam alledgedly lost, but has outsold Kris twice over! Where’s the logic in that?

    I have absolutely no idea. … One of the mysteries of the ages, if you ask me. (the landslide thing may well be only a rumor, of course, which would help explain it!)

    Honestly, I would have thought that maybe Adam’s bigger sales came from all the promo and such that people talk about, but then I hear repeatedly that his promo had a very small, disappointing effect.

    Doesn’t seem to be much logic to the whole thing.

  163. I mean, this is American business, after all’ ¦. Just recently in my own company, we were informed that our profits are *up* by 5.5 percent over 2008, and that *that* is ‘disappointing.’  ‘ ¦.. So a 12 percent drop in sales? yep, *way* down.

    ITA – down, by any percent, and double digit at that, is not good. It just confirms the long held belief that music sales are really in trouble. Just goes back to my earlier point about how can these guys be expected to recoup the PR and other expenses that go into the albums, when the sales are doing worse and worse. Those expenses are likely getting higher and higher, in comparison, which just puts you into a deeper hole.

  164. Bottom line:

    David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Happened after AI iTunes
    Happened after debut singles
    Happened after debut sales number

    Wow! Numbers sure don’t lie.

  165. Bottom line:

    David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Happened after AI iTunes
    Happened after debut singles
    Happened after debut sales number

    So…. the only logical conclusion is that David has a much bigger fanbase than either of the guys this year. ….

    Probably partly because he’s David adn partly because of factors involving the show, such as people being turned off by the push given to Adam and Danny, a lagging tv audience share, etc.

    I didn’t know that this was ever in dispute, though? Was it? When? Seems that it was obvious from the beginning ….

  166. Bottom line:

    David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Happened after AI iTunes
    Happened after debut singles
    Happened after debut sales number

    Hmm, yeah, except really, I know the nature of this all is to compare everyone from every year, but does that really make any logical sense considering how the markets have changed? How so many factors have changed?

    Lots of people outsold David Cook too, but I’d hardly point that out to say, bottom line, end of story, DC did worse, etc. Because that doesn’t really mean anything in the end. People outsold DC, but he is still doing well, is considered a success, is getting a second album, etc.

    edited: no lecturing

  167. So 2 weeks sales winner allen still dont equal sparks lowest ever. He sucks. haha

  168. So 2 weeks sales winner allen still dont equal sparks lowest ever. He sucks. haha

    Well, actually – taking a page from Lyndsey Parker, I’d say that considering that Jordin sold in a much stronger economy and music market, if you were to adjust the numbers accordingly, Kris probably did better than her.

  169. I mean, this is American business, after all’ ¦. Just recently in my own company, we were informed that our profits are *up* by 5.5 percent over 2008, and that *that* is ‘disappointing.’  ‘ ¦.. So a 12 percent drop in sales? yep, *way* down.

    Well considering that the unemployment level in my state is up over three percent from where it was this time last year,(10.2 percent currently) yeah, I think every percentage point matters.

    Sales are down across the board. Adam – someone who was polarizing even before the AMA’s – is doing quite well considering all the factors. It is SuBo who is the exception to all the rules. How long was her CD up for presale? Could that have something to do with it?

  170. How much did Jordin sale in the first week. How much further has Kris got to go to reach her first week sales? Will he match them next week-the third week?

  171. Bottom line:

    David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Can’t wait to hear Lyndsey Parker spin that one, LOL!

    David Cook, can we get a quote from you? The numbers are now in, and it looks like Adam Lambert and that other guy (what was his name again?) nearly outsold you in their first-week sales. All this in an economy where music sales are down 13 percent. How do you feel about that? Are you impressed? Scared? Did you buy Adam’s album? What was your favorite song on it?

  172. How much did Jordin sale in the first week. How much further has Kris got to go to reach her first week sales? Will he match them next week-the third week?

    Jordin sold 119K in her first week. I agree with Mary102’s post. I think if Kris and Jordin had been debuting in the same economy Kris would do better than Jordin.

  173. 1. SuBo
    2. Andrea Bocelli
    3. Adam

    One of these things is not like the other, lol.

    Actually, this game isn’t obvious to me. Which one isn’t like the other two? Is it Andrea Bocelli, cuz he’s not a new artist/not a hyped-up reality singing competition runner up? Is it Adam, because he’s younger? Is it SuBo because she’s female?

    Not trying to be cheeky. Actually wasn’t sure. I actually look at that top 3, and I bet there must be a few of those Top 40 pop/urban-loving folks at Pulse who are pissed that “real” current/popular radio artists like Rihanna and Lady Gaga are being beat out by reality show people and a blind opera singer on their moms’ ipods. It just depends on your perspective.

  174. Sales are down across the board. Adam ‘“ someone who was polarizing even before the AMA’s ‘“ is doing quite well considering all the factors. It is SuBo who is the exception to all the rules. How long was her CD up for presale? Could that have something to do with it?

    Well, maybe SuBo is the perfect recession buster artist – after all, it’s as much (if not more) about the story as the music with her – that feel good, heartwarming, rags to riches type story that she embodies. Right in time for the holidays. Damn it, why can’t I be Simon Cowell right now ;-) ?

  175. Actually, this game isn’t obvious to me. Which one isn’t like the other two? Is it Andrea Bocelli, cuz he’s not a new artist/not a hyped-up reality singing competition runner up? Is it Adam, because he’s younger? Is it SuBo because she’s female?

    Lol – ok, I meant Adam as being not quite right in that group with SuBo and Andrea Bocelli, whom I view as having more similar styles, genres, audiences, etc. That is, they’re mass appeal, holiday feel good fare that was bought by everyone from, well, the middle aged to the grandmas getting them for themselves and everyone in their orbit for Christmas.

    Adam is more polarizing, more of a niche artist – certainly he’d be grouped much more with Rihanna and Gaga as a pop artist, but he doesn’t yet have the history of success or fame that they have under their belts. So kudos to him for being up there on the list!

  176. Bottom line:

    David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Eh, who cares. David Cook fan here, but even I have to acknowledge that all of the above is just about the invested fanbase. It’s the first week total, folks! It’s not about anything else but the folks who have been drinking the Koolaid.

    ETA: Nevertheless, I still like following and discussing the numbers and making comparisons — but only so long as we understand what those numbers actually tell us.

  177. This is what I can’t understand. Adam alledgedly lost, but has outsold Kris twice over! Where’s the logic in that?

    I have absolutely no idea. ‘ ¦ One of the mysteries of the ages, if you ask me.

    There isn’t really any mystery in this. Most of what happened I had already predicted correctly (e.g. Kris winning, Adam selling more). Many people, me included, have already given the reasons before for Kris winning, and they are –
    1) The anti-Adam votes.
    2) Artificially inflated votes for Kris via texting.
    3) Kris is uncontroversial, unpimped, likeable, and a good performer (i.e. he is someone many may vote for as a second choice, but not necessarily as a diehard fan who’d rush out and buy his CD.)

  178. Bottom line:

    David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Well actually if you going to be technical…Adam has two new albums out so if you add all the sale for the NEW albums it would be more like this

    David Cook 280K< Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (FYE) + Adam Lambert Take One 11K. So you can spin it a million different way. Also you are rounding numbers Remember David Cook actually sold under 280 and Kris more then 80K I am sure if you added all the actual numbers they would be ahead of Cook even without the added Take One from Adam Lambert.

    But does it really matter Jeez

  179. As a further example of Susan Boyle’s dominance, Rolling Stone says that last year’s top-selling Black-Friday week album was Kanye West’s 808s & Heartbreak — which sold 450,000 in its first week…. So Susan has Kanye topped by 250,000 too.

    And in 2007, the top-selling Black Friday album was Josh Groban’s Noel, which had already been out for seven weeks or something. It sold 405,000. Susan beats that Black-Friday top seller by nearly 300,000.

    Astonishing.

    (these sound so crazy to me that I can’t believe I’m reading this stuff right…..So here are links you can check:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/11/page/3/
    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/12/03/on-the-charts-kanye-fights-off-axl-taylor-swift-gets-black-friday-boost/

    Good grief, Susan Boyle truly is a monster=.

  180. Um, Hazehel, don’t forget those of us who voted for Kris because he actually was our first choice!

    ETA: because I misidentified the op, LOL.

  181. My 6 year old is all about the Selena Gomez. Shoot me now.

    She’s popular at my house too. Last week, I also finally had to draw the line and explain that NO, we were certainly not going to download a Demi Lovato tune to mommy’s iPod.

    I will concede that that albatross of song had to have helped David’s sales, but I don’t agree that having a hit single is a prerequisite for the eventual album to sell well. Daughtry didn’t need a hit single for his album to blow up the charts. And Adam had every bit the buzz that Chris Daughtry did for a ‘shock’  finish on the show.

    Oh, I agree, definitely not a pre-requisite. The Daughtry situation meets my lightning in a bottle theory. The right cd for radio and the market, at exactly the right time.

    The music business is a funny thing. Not even the experts know what’s going to hit and what isn’t. I’m not even sure how a big of a factor the economy is here. Sure, there’s got to be an effect when many people now will only buy the one cd they really want, instead of throwing 4 in their basket. But clearly, when Taylor Swift can sell 7 or 8 million albums in 3 years plus maybe another 10 million singles (or those insane SuBo sales) people are still willing to spend money on small entertainment luxuries. The huge box office receipts of 2009 would seem to indicate that as well.

    Even when people are broke, if the music captures the general public for whatever reason, it’s obvious to me that they’re still willing to buy it.

    Right now, I think Kris or Adam could really, really use a hit single. That’s what it’s going to take at this point, I think, to give either of their cd’s any legs whatsoever.

  182. Um, Mary102, don’t forget those of us who voted for Kris because he actually was our first choice!

    Wow, really? I thought you people were like Unicorns :)

    (Of course I’m kidding – I’m rather fond of Kris and I can see every reason why people voted for him as their first choice.)

  183. David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Eh, who cares. David Cook fan here, but even I have to acknowledge that all of the above is just about the invested fanbase.

    Some DC fans must really care. It is all over twitter. Type in Kris Allen’s name and you see everyone other tweet of the exact quote above.

  184. Sometimes numbers can be really, really interesting. These are the percentages of digital to hard copy albums each of the Idols have sold based on their CURRENT albums and up through last Sunday.

    Adam 19%
    Carrie 14%
    Kris 21%
    Archie 14%
    Daughtry 18%
    Kelly 21%

    Its remarkable to me how close the percentages are. Carrie (country) and Archie (Christmas) are selling more hard copies and this really goes to the theory that country sells more physical albums and Christmas music is bought on hard copies to sell as gifts.

    And the other idols sold an average of 20% of their albums in a digital format which is the percentage number that is reported as being the “norm” by most internet sources. Now these kind of numbers I find very interesting and very telling. I just wish I had the percentages for Rihanna and GaGa and the rest of the “pop” artists. I would hazard a guess that their digital percentage is higher…

  185. Some DC fans must really care. It is all over twitter.

    I think it is great that Cookie’s fans are supporting him in this way. Personally I think it may result in a backlash they aren’t anticipating….but that is the “joy” of twats.

  186. Some DC fans must really care. It is all over twitter. Type in Kris Allen’s name and you see everyone other tweet of the exact quote above.

    I just took a peak – you’re right. Srsly, guys? That’s just kinda sad.

  187. David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    Well, I guess we can take that 0.35% and run with it but it sure won’t get us very far :)

  188. *

    Some DC fans must really care. It is all over twitter. Type in Kris Allen’s name and you see everyone other tweet of the exact quote above.

    I just took a peak ‘“ you’re right. Srsly, guys? That’s just kinda sad.

    I often think that, if sociologists, psychologists, and historians really want to understand the nature and origin of wars of religion, they should probably just devote themselves to hanging out on American Idol sites. There’s a lot to be learned there about humans’ attachment to our idols and our zeal to prevent any other idols from getting placed before them, lol!

  189. Right now, I think Kris or Adam could really, really use a hit single. That’s what it’s going to take at this point, I think, to give either of their cd’s any legs whatsoever.

    I think Kris is on his way. LLWD has been slowly moving up the charts and still has a bullet. Adam has had issues with his first single, but if yesterday’s adds are an indication, WWFM might do it for him as well.

    I think Kris’s album has legs. His debut number sucked, but his drop off was not as high as some of the others who debuted last week. Adam’s #s regarding second week drop-off are obviously TBD so it’s harder to say.

  190. David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Happened after AI iTunes
    Happened after debut singles
    Happened after debut sales number

    And there are other benchmarks to come. Total U.S. sales for first album. Chart placement. Singles sales. Total sales worldwide. Maybe even, total tour revenue, first week sales for second album, total sales for second album, and industry awards. The majority of the statistics referenced above are linked closely to the Idol show which, as we know, skews heavily towards a middle-of-the-road to conservative audience. Out in the real world it’s a different story.

    I often wonder how David Cook would have fared on Idol if, during his run, pictures had surfaced of him kissing another man and then after the show ended, he had publicly declared himself to be a gay man. Would he have sold 280,000 albums his first week? We can only speculate. Obviously, it wouldn’t have changed his talent one iota, but it might have changed some of his numbers.

  191. I often wonder how David Cook would have fared on Idol if, during his run, pictures had surfaced of him kissing another man and then after the show ended, he had publicly declared himself to be a gay man. Would he have sold 280,000 albums his first week? We can only speculate. Obviously, it wouldn’t have changed his talent one iota, but it might have changed some of his numbers.

    Great post, LaurelG. ITA.

  192. David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    Oh for the love. LOL

    I really, really don’t think you can directly compare numbers like that. There are too many differences in the circumstances around launches. I think you have to talk ranges, in generalities. Adam sold well his week, around the range of the top artists in his genre also dropping about that time. He sold about what you would expect a popular idol contestant to sell – somewhere near the top of the pack in a fall sales week. So did Cook. So did Archie. Yeah for them. The end. Yikes.

    ETA: was this post intended to prove fanbase size?

  193. I just took a peak ‘“ you’re right. Srsly, guys? That’s just kinda sad.

    There’s nothing kinda about it – it’s absolutely sad. If they’re in the bubble that deep after a year, I think they might need the assistance of a submarine and some Navy Seals to ever get out.

  194. .
    Bottom line:

    David Cook 280K > Kris Allen 80K + Adam Lambert 199K (combined)

    David Cook has sold more each time, for every bench mark, combined.

    Aw! How nice for David! Cook fans win!! David Cook is The Greatest Idol Everrrrrrrrr!! Enjoy.

    Onto current, relevant events: As has been said, Adam and Kris need strong singles. I do think WDYWFM has a shot for Adam. I love FYE, and it still gets the most play on my iPod when I’m listening to the album. I also think If I Had You, and Sleepwalker could do well on radio.

  195. SonyMusicGlobal Holy hugeness! @_susan_boyle sold 700k in US breaking records. Btwn the US & UK over 1.1 mil of u now have her Dream! http://bit.ly/7d8a30

    Wow, that is impressive.

    SuBo is seriously a global phenom.

  196. Anyone know where we can find global numbers for people like Adam? I’m curious about that as well.

  197. I just took a peak ‘“ you’re right. Srsly, guys? That’s just kinda sad.

    Can’t search twitter ATM. Why are these people tweeting that? Are they tweeting it to David or Kris anyone or just randomly tweeting it to the ether? The former would be lame/mean; the latter, I just don’t get the point…?

    Anyone know where we can find global numbers for people like Adam? I’m curious about that as well.

    Wasn’t there some German site that some fans found for the Davids’ numbers last year? Not sure if anyone ever confirmed its accuracy, but maybe someone can dig that up.

  198. Can’t search twitter ATM. Why are these people tweeting that? Are they tweeting it to David or Kris anyone or just randomly tweeting it to the ether? The former would be lame/mean; the latter, I just don’t get the point’ ¦?

    I looked real quick and I saw maybe 15-20 tweets, and its just some of the hardcore fans (mostly looked to be DCO regulars) re-tweeting the phrase to each other. I don’t think it’s that big a deal, myself.

    With the tour ending unexpectedly last night and the grammy noms out today, I’m guessing there’s more DC chatter than usual today.

    ETA: Someone just re-tweeted it to RCA! LOL!

  199. Adam Lamberts Wataya want from me has started getting spins on Star94 here in Atlanta. It’s Atlanta’s Top 40 station. It just got played as 12:03. It’s also the station in town hosting the Atlanta Jingle Ball.

    It also started picking up spins in Houston last night — two in one hour. That’s along with an official add in Dallas.

    BTW, For Your Entertainment got a spin on WPJI the Hot AC station in NYC last night and on the HOT AC station in Philadelphia and on a station in Charleston, SC.

  200. Well, if that’s the case, I agree. DCO regulars RT’ing the phrase to each other isn’t a big deal. But RT’ing it to RCA, LOL. So silly. Why not SonyMusicGlobal? Oh right, they’re too busy counting the cash from SuBo they’re like Kris Allen/Adam Lambert/David Cook-who? Haha.

  201. Oh right, they’re too busy counting the cash from SuBo

    SuBo is on RCA? Damn, they had a good week! LMAO.

  202. Ha! That’s the German site I was talking about! Fun site, definitely. Too bad it only lists the top 40 each week and no cumulatives. That would be so tight.

  203. SuBo is with Sony. I don’t know which label.

    She’s on Columbia. Entirely different label group from RCA/Jive. But yes, still Sony.

    And as a Cook fan, I thought it was nice that he had a good first week for 2008, but I’m much happier that he continued to sell and tour in 2009. I hope that KA and AL are able to build and do the same thing in 2010. RT’ing ancient stats to RCA is ridic. They have an account with Soundscan. They know more about the numbers than we do.

  204. “Its remarkable to me how close the percentages are. Carrie (country) and Archie (Christmas) are selling more hard copies and this really goes to the theory that country sells more physical albums and Christmas music is bought on hard copies to sell as gifts.”

    It might but you’ve got only 1 week in for Adam and it is likely the percent of his digital sales (and Kris’s) will decline compared to their overall sales at least in the short term. Although Kelly’s is still higher after all these months. But Carrie actually had a slightly higher percent of digital sales compared to her total sales than Adam her 1st week. Kris was higher than both of them.

    Here’s a comparison week to week:

    Week 1 (digital sales as % of total sales):

    Carrie 19.8% (63k out of 318k)
    Kris 30% (24k out of 80k)
    Adam 19.0% (38k out of 198k)

    Week 2 (cumulative digital sales as % of total sales)
    Carrie 17.9% (80k out of 446k)
    Kris 24.8% (28k out of 113k)
    Adam TBD

    By the way Brian Mansfield added sales numbers from some older albums and I have to note that Carrie’s Carnival Ride has officially sold more than 3 million copies! *confetti*

    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (10,000, +160 percent, 6.876 million)
    Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (5,000, +31 percent, 3.003 million)

    Susan Boyle’s sales are just amazing. I wasn’t 1 of the purchasers but wow @ the power of 1 performance.

  205. As an FYI, to my knowledge there really is no reliable public source for global numbers. Unless numbers are released by a press release or some such, such as was done for SuBo’s British numbers, all there really are for global numbers are estimates. If a CD gets certified in a given country, you’ll at least know the minimum an artist sold in that country. But not the actual number.

    This has contributed to ongoing debates as to who has sold more in total, Carrie or Kelly. I’m not making this up—I’ve seen it—so, no, the comparisons don’t stop, even for those who reach superstar level.

  206. RT’ing ancient stats to RCA is ridic.

    Eh. From what I saw, there were a lot of tweets of the “Dave’s had a great year, the tour is ending, let’s look back!” variety. People were tweeting links to long lost tour videos, getting sentimental, looking at his accomplishments, etc. I’m thinking there are a few folks caught up in the moment. I don’t think they meant any harm.

    Anyway, WHERE are the HDD predictions for this week? That’s the whole reason I keep refreshing this page. Boo.

  207. By the way Brian Mansfield added sales numbers from some older albums and I have to note that Carrie’s Carnival Ride has officially sold more than 3 million copies! *confetti*

    Yay Carrie for CR going 3x Plat!

    I was hoping Brian might’ve included DC’s album numbers this week along with the other older album sales he got, since it’s been a while since we’ve gotten any weekly numbers, but alas, nada. Folkfan, you have an account there, wanna ask Brian in case he has special access to some numbers this week =P? Super-curious ;)

  208. I could drop a request, when I’m back home.

    BTW, I can’t paste it in, but the usual leak site also has digital numbers for 3 SuBo songs: #33 I Dreamed a Dream (39142), #64 Wild Horses (24187), and #166 Amazing Grace (9646). At least one of those should make the Hot 100, I’d think. And Wild Horses may, too, or at least the Bubbling Under chart.

  209. I was hoping Brian might’ve included DC’s album numbers this week along with the other older album sales he got, since it’s been a while since we’ve gotten any weekly numbers, but alas, nada. Folkfan, you have an account there, wanna ask Brian in case he has special access to some numbers this week =P? Super-curious

    The album number won’t change much from the last time that was posted, at most I’d guess 1.255 million. I’m more interest in the number for Come Back To Me, it must be 400K or so now? Just wondering if it has any chance of going gold.

  210. Alas – fans will be fans. If Lambert had outsold Cook, that’d probably be all over twitter too…

    In all honesty, I am glad that Cook’s opening numbers were higher than Lambert’s, but not because it proves that one is better than the other, or one has more fans than the other or any of that twaddle.

    I’m glad, because it means that I won’t have to suffer another round of media crapola stating how superior to Cook – and all other Idols – Adam Lambert is.

    Without that kind of OTT bs, I can actually enjoy Adam’s album and become a fan of his music. Though I still prefer Cook’s: his style of singer songwriting is more in line with my favourite type of music.

    I’m really hopeful, that now, all of those comparisons can stop and everyone can just enjoy what they enjoy, without being told that it’s inferior, or ‘music for sad, tasteless, middle aged women’.

    It interested me the other day when someone compared being an Idol fan to being a football fan – they certainly had a point in terms of the over investment and slightly ridiculous emotional ties. But they were wrong, IMO, when they said it wasn’t about the music at all and I think the defensiveness is also misinterpreted to a degree.

    I don’t believe anybody would persist in listening to and supporting music they didn’t really like, for years on end. After the show is over, you’d only pursue your interest if you liked the product.

    And the defensiveness is far more about defending your own tastes and interests, than it is in defending the object of them. Nobody likes being stereotyped or told what they think and why they think it.

    It always makes my hackles rise, I know that.

  211. lucy
    “I often think that, if sociologists, psychologists, and historians really want to understand the nature and origin of wars of religion, they should probably just devote themselves to hanging out on American Idol sites. There’s a lot to be learned there about humans’ attachment to our idols and our zeal to prevent any other idols from getting placed before them, lol!”

    WOW Lucy! ITA and LOL!

  212. Allison ‘“ 25-30K

    Yeah, I just saw that on Pulse. Makes sense.

  213. I just saw those Subo numbers in the headlines thread, too. Wow for possibly going platinum in two weeks.

  214. Allison ‘“ 25-30K

    Please let this not be an overestimate, as so many other idol estimates have been. … Pllllllease.

  215. I’m glad, because it means that I won’t have to suffer another round of media crapola stating how superior to Cook ‘“ and all other Idols ‘“ Adam Lambert is.

    Without that kind of OTT bs, I can actually enjoy Adam’s album and become a fan of his music. Though I still prefer Cook’s: his style of singer songwriting is more in line with my favourite type of music.

    If I am reading this correctly, it’s now ok to like Adam because he didn’t beat Cook? Were people really worried about that?

    Adam and Cook are different kinds of artists. I like them both, but prefer Adam’s album to Cook’s debut album. However, I suspect Cook’s second album will be far superior to his debut album and I’m looking forward to that.

  216. If I am reading this correctly, it’s now ok to like Adam because he didn’t beat Cook?

    Nope. Hearing all sorts of OTT bs around the web and from the media just put me off full stop, especially when it was at the same time dismissing other artists whom I either like or at least see as successful. It just got in the way.

    I actually began to thaw to Lambert before the sales numbers came through, but continual comparison comments in the media and online, esepcially when they diss other people’s tastes and intentions, create a competitive atmosphere and raise a wall. As did the nigh on hysterical hype both on A18 and afterwards.

    The fact that that competitive comparison doesn’t exist now and isn’t going to be used as yet another reason to deride and dismiss, completely demolishes a wall that was half way down anyway.

    In other words, the competitveness doesn’t exist in and of itself; it is created by the online community and media.

    And it’s very unfortunate.

    And it goes both ways.

  217. Adam and Cook are different kinds of artists. I like them both, but prefer Adam’s album to Cook’s debut album. However, I suspect Cook’s second album will be far superior to his debut album and I’m looking forward to that.

    Me, too.

  218. I actually began to thaw to Lambert before the sales numbers came through, but continual comparison comments in the media and online, esepcially when they diss other people’s tastes and intentions, create a competitive atmosphere and raise a wall. As did the nigh on hysterical hype both on A18 and afterwards

    But wasn’t there the same hype for Cook after he won S7? Is this just par for the course? And can’t we expect that whoever wins (or places in the top 4 :) ) of S9 will also have a passionate fan base saying the usual “best idol evah!”?

    My point/question is this: Was there an honest worry/fear by Cook fans that Adam might beat his debut numbers? I think most reasonable Adam fans never expected it because Adam is way too polarizing. Plus he lost and his single didn’t sell well. So I’m kind of surprised it was even an issue. But this is my first full season participating in the idol blog world, so it’s new to me. :)

  219. No, there really was not the same level of hype for Cook at all, not in the media. There were OTT fans, a small group, who made big claims. This is the normal part. What is different with Glambert is the treatment by the judges during AI and the unbelievable level of promo by the media. There has seemed a complete lack of objectivity, almost a fanboy fawning. Crazy predictions have been made about him that I don’t recall for any other Idol.

  220. I think most reasonable Adam fans never expected it because Adam is way too polarizing. Plus he lost and his single didn’t sell well.

    Mm. Here’s how my predictions for Adam’s sales changed: 250k right after the tour down to 200k when FYE didn’t take off, and then when Kris’ opening numbers came in at 80k I was like “whoa” and revised my expectations down to about 100-120k. Cook sold more than 250k though, so I never predicted that Adam would outsell him even way back when.

  221. But wasn’t there the same hype for Cook after he won S7?

    Nope: nowhere near.

    There were OTT fans for both Cook and Archie. But there was nowhere near that degree of OTT hype in the media.

    With all that hype, I did expect Lambert to sell well, yes. It was unbelievably extreme and he was also targetting a far more marketable and fashionable genre of music.

    There had to be some substance to the amount of money being spent and the amount of print being dedicated.

    Whether he would beat out Cook’s numbers or not was completely open, though the lower initial singles numbers made it less likely.

    What I’m saying is that, had Lambert got higher opening figures than Cook, it would have meant nothing at all about the comparative worth of these two men as artists or musicians; just as Cook’s numbers being higher also means nothing in that regard.

    There are all sorts of possible reasons for that difference and future sales may actually turn the situation around. In fact, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they did, for the same reasons outlined above.

    But I have absolutely no doubt that had Lambert got higher opening numbers than Cook, that would have been used to prove that he was the better artist etc…

    And that would have pissed me off. Because I’ve bought Lambert’s album now and like it, it wouldn’t put me off him, but it would still annoy the hell out of me.

    So I’m glad it didn’t happen.

  222. fadetowhite
    12/02/2009 at 5:09 pm
    But wasn’t there the same hype for Cook after he won S7?

    Nope: nowhere near.

    Hmmmm. It’s all a matter of perspective. If it’s your idol, you tend to be more forgiving of the hype. Maybe not even notice it. I was a Castro fan last year and I found the gushing over the Davids to be annoying as shit. Now I’m an Adam fan, and can rationalize my way around his hype with the best of them. Human nature.

  223. There had to be some substance to the amount of money being spent and the amount of print being dedicated.

    People keep talking about the money being paid for Adam’s promo and I don’t see it being any different than Kris’s “paid” promo. I think Adam got a lot of free press because of his sexuality and his rare vocal range. Let’s face it, Adam was really out there when it came to AI and people found that fascinating.

    I may be wrong on this, but I think Kris actually has been on a lot more talk shows since AI than Adam has. Cook also went on more talk shows after AI than Adam did. Now that the albums have dropped I expect Adam to get on more shows and it will level out. But the “free” press is something I don’t think anyone paid for, but rather, publications knew Adam increased sales/hits and put him on there. I guess that could be viewed as favortisim?

  224. he was also targetting a far more marketable and fashionable genre of music.

    Also a genre in which the buyers are most likely to dl illegally, imo… otherwise Gaga would be selling WAY more, she’s like the hugest artist in the genre right now.

  225. undercooked, I think most people are referring to album production costs and expected tour costs, not promo costs; or at least that’s how I’ve been reading it. The nature of Adam’s performances almost guarantees his show will be more expensive to produce, as, probably, was his album.

  226. A record or single going into recurrency or going on the catalog chart does not change its eligibility for certification as gold, platinum, etc. Those certifications are simply based on the label applying for it and providing proof of having reached a certain level of shipments or sales.

    HDD is also predicting that SuBo and Andrea Bocelli will sell in the neighborhood of 300K this week. That could mean that SuBo will have sold over 1 million in 2 weeks—the fastest to sell platinum since Lil Wayne sold over 1 million in one week last year.

  227. My point/question is this: Was there an honest worry/fear by Cook fans that Adam might beat his debut numbers?

    Short answer: No. There has been some grumbling about the whole “bestest most innovate idol ever” hype, but I personally did not see any angst over Adam ‘beating” David. There might have been one or two people somewhere, but it was not some kind of dominant topic of discussion. There has been much more chatter about whether RCA screwed him over with singles than Adam Lambert period. When Adam does come up, it is usually in the context of how RCA and 19 might treat David in the future.

    If this is about that Twitter thing, I was not lying with what I said earlier. You can see yourself. If you search David Cook, you will see a stream of discussion around him today mostly centered on looking back over the year and expressing sadness that the tour is over. At some point a person tweets the info in question, and a bunch of cook fans retweet it to each other. It was not some “Yay! We’re Relieved!” kind of thing, it came off more as a “Look what Dave accomplished” kinda thing.

    I really think it is not fanwar worthy.

  228. Sorry for the post-ho’ing, but the Hot 100 numbers are up. First number of dashes are last week’s numbers or signify that it did not chart last week Second numbers are this week’s numbers:

    BILLBOARD HOT 100 – TOP 50
    16 14 KELLY CLARKSON ALREADY GONE
    23 24 CARRIE UNDERWOOD COWBOY CASANOVA
    41 47 KRIS ALLEN LIVE LIKE WE’RE DYING

    INTERESTING MOVES & DEBUTS
    — 61 ADAM LAMBERT FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT
    — 62 SUSAN BOYLE I DREAMED A DREAM
    — 66 GLEE CAST FEATURING TRUE COLORS
    — 67 GLEE CAST FEATURING IMAGINE
    — 98 SUSAN BOYLE WILD HORSES

    BUBBLING UNDER
    — 3 DAUGHTRY LIFE AFTER YOU
    — 21 GLEE CAST PAPA DON’T PREACH
    — 22 ADAM LAMBERT WHATAYA WANT FROM ME

    Okay, it cracks me up seeing SuBo on the Hot100.

  229. I suspect that this might get missed here, but some fascinating numbers in this article.

    SuBo (who had the highest Amazon preorders ever) sold 115K through Amazon (including preorders, CDs ordered last week, and MP3s). She sold 80K through QVC.

    These are breakdowns in numbers that we don’t normally get, so very cool.

  230. No, there really was not the same level of hype for Cook at all, not in the media. There were OTT fans, a small group, who made big claims. This is the normal part. What is different with Glambert is the treatment by the judges during AI and the unbelievable level of promo by the media. There has seemed a complete lack of objectivity, almost a fanboy fawning. Crazy predictions have been made about him that I don’t recall for any other Idol.

    I concur, Cook didn’t see the kind of promo that Glambert did. With Glambert, he was hyped during the competition, always given the pimp spot & it was blatant and if I hadn’t watched the show, I would have thought Lambert won. We hardly got to know anyone this season because it was all about Lambert. The format didn’t allow anyone else to shine or progress. I don’t see Kris mentioned at all & he’s the winner. Even on Idol type of blogs every other title has Adam Lambert in it. It’s like they’ve pretty much devoted their sites to news about only Adam Lambert. There was no objectivity this season & there were really unfounded predictions made by RCA, the media and you name it for Adam Lambert. I know A.I. fans are very supportive of their chosen one & therefore they are very vocal so you think everyone is more popular than they really are. Lambert was the golden boy outside of A.I. He doesn’t have the signma of being the American Idol, the media makes sure we were reminded that “he should have won” and that we are about to be gifted with a new Elvis or Freddie Mercury whether we like it or not. The Media were over the top on him.

    I remember last year some of Cook’s reviewers said he was a Nickleback/Daughtry wannabee, yet he doesn’t sound anything like them. Yet, this year Lambert is being compared as a new Elvis or Freddie Mercury. Isn’t that also a “wannabee” & which I might add, Elvis must be turning in his grave. What is so unique about him? Nothing. I’ve seen his kind of act in Vegas (cleaned up though) & I am sure his type of show is run-of-mill cabaret.

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