Adam Lambert – Fab Magazine Interview

Adam Lambert chats with fab magazine

Adam Lambert discusses the AMA/GMA controversy at length in a 25 minute interview with Canadian GLBT magazine, Fab.

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Adam’s reaction? That’s weak, ” he says, “Someone didn’t give it some real thought when they did it.”

“Rock and roll is a prostitute and it has to be tarted up, ” says Lambert, quoting Todd Haynes’s Velvet Goldmine, a film he says heavily influenced his persona. “I just wanted to do something unexpected and different and break out from the expectation a little. You come off Idol and there’s this expectation that you’re going to be this mass appeal, mass marketed, family friendly, granola, easy listening, easily digestible thing, and that’s definitely not me as an artist.”

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Adam Lambert – Fab

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454 Comments

  1. You come off Idol and there’s this expectation that you’re going to be this mass appeal, mass marketed, family friendly, granola, easy listening, easily digestible thing, and that’s definitely not me as an artist.

    Wow…. that kind of criticizes all the former winners doesn’t it?

    And he’s pop, not rock and roll from the 4 songs I’ve heard. So he really needs to stop with the rock and roll thing.

  2. Wow’ ¦. that kind of criticizes all the former winners doesn’t it?

    And he’s pop, not rock and roll from the 4 songs I’ve heard. So he really needs to stop with the rock and roll thing.

    How is that criticism? It’s true.

    As for Adam’s album it’s mostly pop with some rock element like in Music Again.

  3. Great interview. It’s long but worth it, if you are a fan. Probably too long if you are not. He reveals quite a bit of personal information towards the end that would probably surprise most.
    Also, if you visit this actual web site, Matt the interviewer, has started a petition to ABC.

  4. And he’s pop, not rock and roll from the 4 songs I’ve heard. So he really needs to stop with the rock and roll thing.

    It’s a matter of perspective. If you consider Queen and Justin Hawkins (or even Elvis, the “King of Rock and Roll”) and the like, rock, then he’s rock. If not, then not.

    Not that it really matters though, because he’s said over and over and over and over again that his music does not fit a specific genre. I agree with him.

    But, ultimately, who cares? Is the next Adam controversy going to be, “he’s a liar, he’s not rock?!”

    edited

  5. begs the question of why the need then to go on the biggest, cheesiest disseminator of ”mass appeal, mass marketed, family friendly, granola, easy listening, easily digestible thing” that is american idol… it’s disingenious to posit oneself, and the vision of oneself, as being innovative and non derivative and get buy in from that in the mainstream music audience when the idol formula is the furthest thing from that… his vision of glam rock and dance/pop/rock a la the idol launching pad is as derivative as they come – bowie, bolan, chic and sylvester did it best, so my expectations for him to approximate anything close to being as original and groundbreaking as these icons were never that lofty.

  6. Adam just needs to STFU and get over it. He’s not Madonna, the Beatles, Elvis, and apparently he was a phony on AI. Now the real Adam Lambert has arrived, stuck on himself and self-righteous thinking he can do whatever he wants and get away with it. Keep it up Adam, and you’ll be right back performing where you were before Idol.

  7. Great interview Adam. Glad to see support from some GLBT quarters. Rock on, Adam!

  8. Nice to see him supporting a Canadian GLBT magazine since he seems to be pretty allergic to the American ones right now. And he has his reasons; as the interview says, gay (media) community has a tendency to eats its puppies.

    What has come from this whole brouhaha, only time will tell if the boost of the record sales is a greater victory than the caused harm of Adam’s possible future reputation as an unreliable live tv performer. But I’ll hope for the best!

  9. Good to hear that Adam had permission of sorts for kissing Tommy. Lambliff/Tombert/Atom lives!!

  10. What has come from this whole brouhaha, only time will tell if the boost of the record sales is

    How would anyone know if there was a boost in records sales from all this? The album premiered the day after the AMAs. Really, did some people buy because of the AMAs or did more people not buy, because of the AMAs? I don’t think we’ll ever know.

  11. I didn’t think Adam’s comment was critical of anyone, I didn’t get that at all. He said “mass appeal,” “family friendly,” “easily digestible,” etc. isn’t him as an artist. And, clearly, it isn’t, for every song (though, I think, TFM is all those things – and I love it, too).

    IMHO it’s not his music that is 100% Rock, whatever that would mean, but his ATTITUDE. To me, it’s his “no holds barred, eff ’em if they can’t handle it” ATTITUDE that is kinda “old school” Rock-n-Roll (and I feel qualified to say this because I am, in fact, OLD).

    And, then, to me, his pop, dance, and electronic love is what makes him more modern and future – along with his humor and not taking himself too seriously.

  12. “What has come from this whole brouhaha, only time will tell if the boost of the record sales is a greater victory than Adam’s possible future reputation as an unreliable live tv performer. But I’ll hope for the best!”
    I am a person who doubts that his record sales were a result of the AMA controversy. He had very good pre-sale numbers before. He may have lost some actually. I think it did put his name and image out there to a non idol audience, particularly overseas. This incident probably enhanced his international sales more than domestic, particularly since the album is all sorts of great IMO.

  13. Wow’ ¦. that kind of criticizes all the former winners doesn’t it?

    And he’s pop, not rock and roll from the 4 songs I’ve heard. So he really needs to stop with the rock and roll thing.

    Is that really criticism when it’s true?

    —————–

    As for the real Adam arriving now … did you even watch AI? WLL performance where his mic stand carressing was edited out etc. Adam performed in AI more pg for it’s audience now people are expecting him to continue to do so after AI in real life. Seems pretty unrealistic when he is an out of the box performer and the AI tour proved that.

  14. He’s not Madonna, the Beatles, Elvis,

    Neither were they when they first started out. Comparison’s are more to do with these artist at the beginning of their careers and the controversies they encountered. It is not a comparison of who these artist are now!!! I was around for these artist at the beginning of their careers and they were not loved or even liked by main stream American. They were considered outrageous, immoral, and talentless by many. Whether Adam achieves their eventual success remains to be seen but the start of his career has some similarities. Oh and people wanted Madonna, Elvis, and the Beatles to STFU and they didn’t!!

  15. To me pop, rock, it makes no difference. Someone somewhere made up an arbitrary definition. I think the genres overlap but that’s just me, I’m not into technicalities. I either like it or I don’t and I love Adam’s CD.

    He is a polarizing figure, he’s not everybody’s cup of granola, but I’m not really concerned about that because it was pretty obvious from the get go that he wasn’t your everyday Idol. Shock value can be overdone, but the fact remains he has an awesome voice, is easy on the eyes and put out a stellar CD.

  16. How would anyone know if there was a boost in records sales from all this? The album premiered the day after the AMAs. Really, did some people buy because of the AMAs or did more people not buy, because of the AMAs? I don’t think we’ll ever know.

    ITA, we’ll never know. Some (on here) said they cancelled their pre-order, so his numbers may go down. Who knows if he had a “safe” performance on AMA if his sales would have gone up to 400,000? Or not.

  17. I don’t feel like Adam is dissing AI with his approach b/c most of the AI winners and successes have a country vibe with a country fanbase. And yeah I’m referring to Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry (fact: they all have country upbringings and some country stylings in their music). Adam doesn’t want to represent that image which is fine. He wouldn’t be able to pull off the country boy thing and doesn’t want to. Adam represents more of the liberal East Coast “mythology”. I’m intrigued by him as an entertainer. Where I think he’s really skrewing up, is 1)lewd behavior on stage on network TV has/will cost him fans and by lewd I’m referring to the simulated BJ. 2) His accusations of discrimination are getting a little silly. CBS was really doing right by him by having him on. There’s no reason to harbor a grudge. Their logic for blurring his kiss was not so absurd and not such a big deal that they made that choice. But ppl need to relax, realize that most of his statements are targeted at a very specific audience, e.g. the GLBT community. Who else would read OUT or Fab? I know I don’t.

  18. “Adam’s reaction? That’s weak,’  he says, ‘Someone didn’t give it some real thought when they did it.’ ”

    It would be refreshing to see Adam stop criticizing others for their “in the moment” reactions to his “in the moment” performance. The more I see/hear of Adam, the more I dislike him. Taking some responsibility and not blaming others would be a good thing. It would also be nice for the media to stop kissing his ass and start calling him out on his own double-standards.

  19. googletot, Adam has explained why he went on Idol and his philosophy of using it as a platform to get exposure. He wasn’t in it to win, he was in it for the opportunity with the goal to stay on the show as long as possible. To win Idol, you basically have to be a soft rocker (at least while on the show)—safe, mainstream, etc. And that’s OK. Adam could have done a “Tracks of My Tears,” every week and had a real shot at the end. But I give him credit for things like BTBW and PTFM and ROF.

    Adam is trying to navigate the tricky post-Idol waters the best he can. He is trying to stay true to himself without veering too far off the “mainstream.” This is obviously going to be a learning process for both him and his team, as, I think, he has admitted. I am willing to be patient with him for as long as it takes, maybe some others aren’t.

    All Idols will lose some of their “fanbase.” I am a Cook fan who hated reading a few reports last Spring of people actually walking out of his concerts. But, it’s not surprising; and I would bet DC is completely understanding of that as he continues to define himself outside of the Idol bubble. The same thing will happen with Adam.

    The fab magazine was interesting, but I am bored of this talk already. I wish the media would move on. I want to hear about the music. I am disappointed that the timing of the Barbara Walters interview right after the AMAs will probably ruin that opportunity; and I hope that it isn’t all Ellen wants to talk about. I do think it’s important to point out that this interview will get no real exposure outside of us in the bubble.

  20. but the fact remains he has an awesome voice, is easy on the eyes and put out a stellar CD.

    LOL. I wouldn’t call that a FACT, I’d call it an opinion, and it’s certainly not a universally shared one.

  21. most of his statements are targeted at a very specific audience, e.g. the GLBT community. Who else would read OUT or Fab? I know I don’t.

    Good point and you know what else? His “statements” very rarely include the actual question he was asked. Really, he is not making statements! He is answering quetsions. Sometimes, he reuses words in the actual question. Like the first “discrimination”quote, last week, was a direct restating of the question that the interviewer asked him. However, it all came out as “Adam’s statement.”

  22. Yeah, did the publicity from the fallout gain him more or less fans than he may or may not have gained if he’d sung his “safest” song, whatever that would be . . . you’re right, no way to know.

    But, personally, I respect that Adam gave a, what maybe everyone – fans and not fans alike – could agree was unique performance!

    I would hazard to guess that Adam would rather have a good career making calls that he’s excited about vs. a bigger career requiring more restraint and compromise (caving to hypocrisy) than he’s willing to do.

    He’s mentioned that he’s the one in charge of what he’s doing enough times to suggest, to me, that that’s really important to him. Again, I respect that – he’s the artist.

    I don’t get the “begs the question of why he went on ‘Idol'” point. He’s said a million times that he went on “Idol” to get a platform. He’s said a million times that he appreciates what it did for him, that he loves “Idol,” that they supported him, etc. etc.

  23. Okay, I think ppl are taking this whole thing a little too seriously. I don’t feel like Adam is dissing AI with his approach b/c most of the AI winners and successes have a country vibe with a country fanbase. And yeah I’m referring to Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry (fact: they all have country upbringings and some country stylings in their music). Adam doesn’t want to represent that image which is fine.

    ???? Somebody had better tell Jordin, Rueben, Fantasia, Elliott, Jennifer Hudson, Clay, Meinda, Archie & Cookie to quit it with the country vibe.

  24. Adam viewed American Idol, before his tenure on the show, the same was as many “outsiders” view it: as a family friendly slightly conservative show that highlights older, safer music and isn’t really reflective of what is current in music today. And yes, he prostituted himself on the show…just like many others before him…to see if he could get some “fan” recognition from it. He has said that a million times.

    So of course the invested American Idol fan is going to have a hard time with him now. They felt they were “duped” into believing this man was going to be singing Mad World for the rest of his career. Idol fans aren’t necessarily modern music fans…and yes the terms Adam used describes the perception of the typical Idol fan, not his take on the Idols that have come before him.

    edit: don’t put words in your fellow posters mouths, or make sweeping generalizations.

  25. Wow’ ¦. that kind of criticizes all the former winners doesn’t it?

    Only if you think the description is unfavorable….what’s wrong with “mass appeal, mass marketed, family friendly, granola, easy listening, easily digestible thing,”? That sells lots and lots of records. I don’t think it was meant to derogatory…just not for him…different strokes for different folks.

  26. Adam wasn’t granola on the show, I don’t know why anyone would expect him to be post-idol. He’s always said he’s not the most easily digestible, if he wasn’t polarizing and pushing the envelope throughout the season he might have won. If he had sung TOMT every week and then put out this post-idol album, that would have been disingenuous. The kid really can’t win sometimes.

  27. It would be refreshing to see Adam stop criticizing others for their ‘in the moment’  reactions to his ‘in the moment’  performance. The more I see/hear of Adam, the more I dislike him. Taking some responsibility and not blaming others would be a good thing. It would also be nice for the media to stop kissing his ass and start calling him out on his own double-standards.

    With all due respect Responsibility for what! He does not believe he did anything wrong and he has said more then once he understands how what he did bothered some people but should everyone apologize to everyone who does not like what we do. We would be apologizing forever.

    As far as what he said being disrespectful to Idols. Adam was one of the first people and few people to stand for Carrie’s performance. He has more then once commented on the awesome vocals of Kelly during the AMA performance. He is constantly promoting Kris and Allison via twitter and interviews. His comment is not about the contestants. Also he has more then once said that Idol gave him the platform to be in the position to record an album and that he was grateful. If one dissects every word that an individual says you will find something that will bother you. Adam has said somethings that I don’t agree with or did not like but he has said a hell of a lot more that I do. His album is fantastic by the way!

  28. Any update on Adam’s album sale? When are we going to know the first week number?

  29. This interview does need to be taken in context. This is a publication for the GLBT community. The content is reflective of that. And really, speaking for myself, it is not my business to make judgements. As a straight female I do not have to live with the intolerance and prejudice they face.

  30. I must be on a Thanksgiving high but I thought it was a decent interview

    The whole controversy thing is getting tired though. And Adam seems like a combative guy kind of getting into it with CBS and ABC. That’s a tad worrisome. At this point, it’s time to focus on the music and move on.

  31. Adam was not a hypocrite when he made the comment about CBS. He was being consistent(he could have been a lot stronger). There was always the implication during AI that Adam was reining himself in. I kind of think that was a big part of his appeal. I don’t think people should be surprised where he is going with his career–maybe more surprised that RCA is letting him.

  32. I can’t listen to it yet, but will later. I do think he is discussing the issue because it is a GLBT magazine.

    From what ya’ll post here, it seems like Adam and Carrie do not share the same opinions about their post idol careers. I recall Carrie being interviewed on the red carpet BEFORE the AMA and she was asked about Adam and she said she didn’t really know him. Why do I get the feeling that she wants to keep a 10 foot pole between her and Adam? I’m sure after ROF (with her being friends witih Randy Travis) and seeing Adam’s rehearsals for the AMA, she may have come to the conclusion that they don’t have much in common. Talk about polar opposites and two different faces of AI!!

    The little devil in me now wants to see them duet. :)

  33. Idol fans aren’t necessarily modern music fans

    Many don’t even buy music. I have friends who watch the show religiously and vote, vote, vote but NEVER have bought anything from these kids afterward. It’s all about the show and the game AND they seem to like to hear some of their favorite songs sung by someone new. They don’t want to hear the new songs by their old idols.

  34. DLee
    11/27/2009 at 11:28 am
    Wow’ ¦. that kind of criticizes all the former winners doesn’t it?

    Only if you think the description is unfavorable’ ¦.what’s wrong with ‘mass appeal, mass marketed, family friendly, granola, easy listening, easily digestible thing,’ ? That sells lots and lots of records. I don’t think it was meant to derogatory’ ¦just not for him’ ¦different strokes for different folks.

    Yes, and I’m sure all the former winners and contestants would take it as the compliment he intended it to be. LOL.

    Look I have absolutely no problem with Adam having this opinion, and I’m sure many people share it. In many ways I do as well. But the man needs to learn the art of discretion and self-censorship. You can still be “Rcok-N-Roll” and not be a complete asshole.

  35. Did Adam really ever say he “prostituted” himself on AI? I know he said that it was “him on his best behavior” or something like that, but I don’t get “prostituted” from that. He seemed to love every song he sang – he has diverse taste and is kind of a walking music encycopedia in interviews.

    How/why would a fan feel “duped” regarding anything about his future career? Couldn’t a fan just as easily assume he’d be doing “ROF” for the rest of his career – or BOTH and more, which is more like what his CD is?

    Why do they care about “the rest of his career” at all if “they don’t care who wins and don’t buy the music after the show” – that confuses me.

  36. Undercooked, with all due respect, you have no idea how Carrie feels about Adam.

    Carrie is a member of the entertainment community, and she has certainly worked with all types of people. Her feelings might actually surprise you.

  37. Adam just needs to STFU and get over it. He’s not Madonna, the Beatles, Elvis, and apparently he was a phony on AI. Now the real Adam Lambert has arrived, stuck on himself and self-righteous thinking he can do whatever he wants and get away with it. Keep it up Adam, and you’ll be right back performing where you were before Idol.

    Love or hate him we are the ones keeping him in the public eye. It has been 5 days since Adam took a family show with family entertainers :) and turned it into a debauchery. (yeah right) We are still talking about it. A lot of people are reacting like he robbed a bank, killed someone or something like that. There was nothing that happened that night that makes it a week long debate. What it comes down to is, before the AMA’s you either liked Adam or not. Nothing has changed. I think it’s the same the people who did not like him before don’t like him now. The people who liked him before like him now. I doubt that he lost any true fans. Anyone who believed that he was going to be the American Idol performer wasn’t paying attention to what he has been saying. He has said he is not for everyone. All I know I love him. I can’t get into the John Denver kind of person, but give me a bad boy/good boy and I am hooked :)

  38. I was in NYC with my little one yesterday for the parade. I tried walking his stroller down less crowded streets to get a good viewing spot. I cannot count how many times I would come around a corner and come face to face with multiple large FYE placards posted on storefronts!! It was the metal gloves FYE photo. It was haunting and surprising to say the least!

    Then they were handing out 2 different free newspapers to the crowd. Was I ever shocked when one of them had Adam on the cover, color photo, 1/8 page and then a really cool color pic of the ‘kiss’ inside. The article was thanking CBS for picking up the mantle from ABC and giving us some welcome eye candy and spice to our morning with the Adam appearance and performances.

  39. but the fact remains he has an awesome voice, is easy on the eyes and put out a stellar CD.

    LOL. I wouldn’t call that a FACT, I’d call it an opinion, and it’s certainly not a universally shared one.

    It’s my opinion and I’m very happy that many people share it but you are right it’s not technically a fact.

  40. For you Levine lol :)

    #ITUNES – 11/27 @10:00amET
    *****OVERALL US
    #6, 20 Album
    #24 FYE Single
    #113 WWFM Single

    *****POP US
    #5, 11 Album
    #16 FYE Single
    #55 WWFM Single

    Go Adam! :)

    some itunes rankings from today 11.27

    Scandinavia (Northern Europe)

    Finland: #2 pop chart, #2 general chart (1 in pop 11.24)
    Denmark: #15 pop chart, #32 general chart
    Sweden: #19 pop chart, #37 general chart
    Norway: #34 pop chart, #64 general chart

    Other European countries:

    UK: #20 pop chart, #49 general chart
    France: #46 pop chart, #137 general chart
    Portugal: #15 pop chart, #52 general chart (both at #2 earlier)
    Holland: #52 pop chart, #107 general chart
    Ireland: #21 pop chart #42 general chart

    Rest of world:

    New Zealand: #2 pop chart, #5 general chart
    Canada:#5 pop chart, #9 general chart
    Mexico: #8 pop, #25 general

    In Canada, these are the # for the deluxe album. The regular album is right behind at #6 pop and #11 in general chart

  41. As a straight female I do not have to live with the intolerance and prejudice they face.

    as a straight black female, i have lived with, and on one level most definitely can relate to issues of intolerance and prejudice – still going on right here in the good old us of a in 2009… that’s a topic for another forum, but those two terms have been thrown around quite a bit in this whole mess by a lot of folks just defending their fave, but they are nothing to be taken lightly – neither by those trying to use them, if they are, in an effort to garner publicity, or to garner sympathy. it’s not a sound bite, it’s something one fights against, and doesn’t allow themselves be defined or victimized by… i understand the struggle of the glbt to overcome this, so if that is the intent of these interviews and this whole shebang emanating from the ama’s, dunno if the cause was helped on sunday at all. so the struggle carries on…

  42. I really think his comment about “mass marketed, family friendly, granola, easy listening, easily digestible thing” is what TPTB would prefer….not what the Idols actually are. Adam has always been generous with his compliments about the other Idols…more generous than they have been with him I would say.

  43. Did Adam really ever say he ‘prostituted’  himself on AI?

    No, Bridget. That is his favorite line from his favorite movie and the interviewer and he were in a discussion about it. It happens to be Tommy’s favorite movie also.

  44. What a great interview. Listened to the whole thing while doing my morning aerobics lol.

    Can’t wait to hear Voodoo!!!!!

  45. I really think his comment about ‘mass marketed, family friendly, granola, easy listening, easily digestible thing’  is what TPTB would prefer’ ¦.not what the Idols actually are. Adam has always been generous with his compliments about the other Idols’ ¦more generous than they have been with him I would say.

    When have any of the other Idols ever dissed Adam?

  46. I notice that many, many Adam fans don’t post here any more, or when they do, it’s minimal. Now I see why Danny fans did a mass exodus. It gets tiresome listening to the repetitive, unnecessary criticisms.

  47. Why do I get the feeling that she wants to keep a 10 foot pole between her and Adam? I’m sure after ROF (with her being friends witih Randy Travis) and seeing Adam’s rehearsals for the AMA, she may have come to the conclusion that they don’t have much in common. Talk about polar opposites and two different faces of AI!!

    Funny, I have never gotten that feeling from her. Do you think just maybe you are foisting your feeling onto her. Unless you know her personally and can speak from personal knowledge, I will continue to disbelieve that she feels that way.

  48. I’m never head a past Idol winner say anything negtive about Adam. They tend to be too smart to get involved in that kind of nonsense.

  49. really all Adam was saying is that the path he has chosen by being himself and a polarizing figure is that he may not sell as many records as other ‘Idols’ who are not polarizing as he is and appeal to a more broad based audience.

  50. “The art of discretion and self-censorship” – oh, my.

    That sounds so . . . NOT rock-n-roll . . .OR modern pop/dance . . . OR rap . . . (not that Adam sings rap, but it’s just the other super popular genre out there).

    That sounds like . . . what? A dating manual from the 1950’s? Emily Post’s Guide to Never Offending Anyone Ever Anywhere and Eventually Dying Without Ever Having Made a Ripple Let Alone a Wave In Your Whole Damn Life”?

    I don’t think that’s the kind of art Adam is interested in – he’s interested in “Going Down the Rabbit Hole.”

  51. I’m never head a past Idol winners or runners up say anything negtive about Adam. They tend to be too smart to get involved in that kind of nonsense.

    Well there was that comment by Clay and we all know what that started.

  52. Oh right ClaY. I guess he and Adam have that in common then.
    The fact that Adam responded to Clay was kind of a sign that he liked getting into the public beefs. I’m sure they’ll be many more to come.

  53. Undercooked, with all due respect, you have no idea how Carrie feels about Adam. And it seems a little unfair of you to be making such statements. Carrie is a member of the entertainment community, and she has certainly worked with all types of people. Her feelings might actually surprise you.

    I swore I read on this blog that Carrie said idols owed it to their fans to continue on with the same type of image/music that they presented on AI. I am only talking about Carrie and Adam’s views on image and AI. Also, her answer on the red carpet at the AMAs “I don’t really know him” struck me as a bit odd. Not that she disliked him, but rather, that she doesn’t have anything in common with him and therefore didn’t seek him out to get to know. I mean, she is on AI ever season like a gazillion times. She sure made the time to get to know Cook.

  54. Well I think most of the past idols supported Kris much more during the AI run than Adam. Alot of the former contestants picked Kris as their favorite to win. I think Blake was the only one who said he preferred Adam over Kris. I think Adam was just stating an opinion about the AI competition and I kind of agree with it.

  55. I am from the “olden days” and it surprises me that people are surprised by anything. Someone got stabbed to death at a Rolling Stones concert, naked hippies were making love at Woodstock, the Beatles were getting high, Jim Morrison exposed himself, and later on Ozzy was biting the heads off of birds…

    The proliferation of television channels and the internet is making news that would have lasted a day or two into long drawn out affairs. The media isn’t going to let the AMA fiasco go any time soon therefore Adam will be asked about it ad nauseum. And then he will be criticized for talking about it; he said in the interview he would like to move on but it’s not gonna happen anytime soon.

  56. I just didn’t read criticism in that. Just a fact. That type of music does exist. A lot of people love it and a lot of those type of artist describe themselves in those terms. Kris somewhat describes his music that way. Easy listening..laid back. granola implies organic, natural. Easy to digest means no big controversy. Seems a pretty fair description of a lot of good music out there. And a fair description of what Idol has put out in the past.

  57. .

    Adam could just say I’m done talking about this. I don’t care either way because it’s his call. It’s getting boring though. He needs to move on.

  58. I just didn’t read criticism in that. Just a fact. That type of music does exist.

    I have been told from several posters on this blog that that’s the kind of music idols produce, especially on their debut album?

  59. Fab magazine has an online petition in support of Adam to send to ABC for canceling his appearance but allowing Kris brown to perform. It started Wednesday night.

  60. when have any of the other Idols ever dissed Adam?

    Jason, Clay, Kelly (kind of). But I was more talking about their silence than anything.

  61. So over Adam.

    I’m right there with you. I like his record and will pick it up at some point (or at least download some tracks), but its like a never ending circus of “controversy” with this kid. I can’t wait for the new season to start. Perhaps The Idol Gods will tone things down in January. Or he’ll stop giving interviews. Or something.

  62. Well I think most of the past idols supported Kris much more during the AI run than Adam. Alot of the former contestants picked Kris as their favorite to win. I think Blake was the only one who said he preferred Adam over Kris. I think Adam was just stating an opinion about the AI competition and I kind of agree with it.

    ITA- I think that both Adam and Blake went into the show to get publicity and a record deal. Not that the others also didn’t do that either, but I see Adam and Blake not buying into the pagentry AT ALL. I think they are both thankful to the shot AI gave them, but I don’t think either one of them want to be apart of the AI institution now that they are off the show. (yes, I know Blake hasn’t had the success, but his second album is solid).

    I see Carrie as embracing her AI roots. And it does work for her becaused she is country, and country music and AI are a good fit as far as the wholesome image goes. JMHO.

  63. I swore I read on this blog that Carrie said idols owed it to their fans to continue on with the same type of image/music that they presented on AI. I am only talking about Carrie and Adam’s views on image and AI. Also, her answer on the red carpet at the AMAs ‘I don’t really know him’  struck me as a bit odd.

    She also said from Season 8 she liked Danny and Kris. But everyone has their opinions, and not everyone is going to like Adam.

  64. inique28v,

    I think the petition has merit, so I have signed it and retweeted about it as well. As a woman, I am offended that Chris Brown who is promoting an album after felonious assault is okay and Adam and his sex performance are not.

    In America, IMO, we condone violence and yes, can be so puritanical about anything sexual. Other parts of the world are sometimes confused about this.

    Last year, Russell Brand took a lot of heat bringing this up on the awards show he was hosting.

  65. I don’t think people should be surprised where he is going with his career’“maybe more surprised that RCA is letting him.

    Just thought this needed cutting and pasting and BOLDING because it’s so freaking true.

  66. Adam could just say I’m done talking about this. I don’t care either way because it’s his call. It’s getting boring though. He needs to move on.

    I agree. Its almost a week old now. He needs to learn how to move on from stuff like this. I hope its not the topic of discussion on Ellen on Monday.

  67. Lambert’s way too talented and unique to waste his time grasping for commerical love. He needs to take the best parts of “Entertainment” and move forward, letting the fame and riches come to him on his own terms. Here’s hoping this debut is introduction to a future star, because the potential is certainly evident through many of these songs.

    Above is interesting quote taken from music review…
    http://www.californiachronicle.com/articles/yb/138309984

  68. I swore I read on this blog that Carrie said idols owed it to their fans to continue on with the same type of image/music that they presented on AI. I am only talking about Carrie and Adam’s views on image and AI. Also, her answer on the red carpet at the AMAs ‘I don’t really know him’  struck me as a bit odd. Not that she disliked him, but rather, that she doesn’t have anything in common with him and therefore didn’t seek him out to get to know. I mean, she is on AI ever season like a gazillion times. She sure made the time to get to know Cook.

    Maybe she and Cook have things in common. Maybe she finds Adam intimidating. Who knows. None of us know what she is thinking. She certainly hasn’t made friends with every person that has ever appeared on American Idol. BTW…are she and Kris best friend yet?

  69. Adam could just say I’m done talking about this. I don’t care either way because it’s his call. It’s getting boring though. He needs to move on.

    It’s really only people who read blogs like this that collect all the interviews in one place that are saturated with Adam news. The point of doing so many repetitive interviews is to reach a new group of people each time. The same people that read one magazine don’t necessarily read the other one and the same with radio programs and TV programs.

  70. I really think his comment about ‘mass marketed, family friendly, granola, easy listening, easily digestible thing’  is what TPTB would prefer’ ¦.not what the Idols actually are.

    Actually, the TPTB hasn’t always pushed the “pageant” artist, but that is what always wins. Due to the type of person that watches Idol and votes, I honestly don’t think anyone with any type of edge will ever win. That is one reason I think the media took to Adam so much during this season, he was different and does not apologize for who he is. Its refreshing.

  71. Lambert’s way too talented and unique to waste his time grasping for commerical love. He needs to take the best parts of ‘Entertainment’  and move forward, letting the fame and riches come to him on his own terms. Here’s hoping this debut is introduction to a future star, because the potential is certainly evident through many of these songs.

    Above is interesting quote taken from music review’ ¦
    http://www.californiachronicle.com/articles/yb/138309984

    Thats a GREAT quote and it is so so so so true!!!

  72. Maybe she and Cook have things in common. Maybe she finds Adam intimidating. Who knows. None of us know what she is thinking. She certainly hasn’t made friends with every person that has ever appeared on American Idol. BTW’ ¦are she and Kris best friend yet?

    Yes, but she said her favorites from Season 8 were Kris and Danny. I never said Carrie didn’t like Adam, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she disagreed with him on his views about performance and image. I see Carrie as being pretty conservative (except for the short shorts).

  73. Does anyone have a direct link to the petition? I’m having trouble finding it.

    I think Adam will be big internationally and RCA is probably keeping their eye on that prize. I’ve always thought that, since BoW. And never, ever thought he could win Idol, he’s just not mainstream enough (which is what I loved.) I was actually shocked he made it to the finale.

  74. dhunken, may I say that I love you? :)
    regardless the sex thingy, of course :)

  75. I’m really tired of the whole AMA/GMA discussion. Ca the media please get back to focusing on Adam’s music?

    Meanwhile, it looks like his album has stalled — or settled in — on the iTunes chart. It’s not dropping, but neither is it moving up. Where is it on amazon.com?

  76. Actually, the TPTB hasn’t always pushed the ‘pageant’  artist, but that is what always wins. Due to the type of person that watches Idol and votes, I honestly don’t think anyone with any type of edge will ever win.

    Your right. I think I also remember reading a while back even before season 8, that all the Idol winners were “safe” and that there was nothing sexual about their performances at all…wish I could recall more about that article.

  77. Yes, but she said her favorites from Season 8 were Kris and Danny. I never said Carrie didn’t like Adam, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she disagreed with him on his views about performance and image. I see Carrie as being pretty conservative (except for the short shorts).

    That’s a big assumption. I suspect that she merely has more kinship with Danny and Kris’ music. But then we’ll never know how she really feels about Adam, because Carrie has enough tact not to criticize or patronize him publicly.

  78. You come off Idol and there’s this expectation that you’re going to be this mass appeal, mass marketed, family friendly, granola, easy listening, easily digestible thing, and that’s definitely not me as an artist.’ 

    I don’t think Adam’s talking about TPTB here. I believe he’s addressing those fans who have saint-like expectations of the contestants. Those who wish them to live family-friendly, squeaky clean lives. I’ve seen fans go into an uproar because Taylor said the “F” word, or David Cook wears t-shirts with big boobed girls on them and dates whore-y looking blonds. Blah blah blah.

    Those are the people Adam is talking about I think, and I agree with him. There is a certain segment of the fandom that will get angry and abandon these guys when they go about drinking alcohol, swearing or hooking up with groupies (i.e. what some guys in their 20’s will inevitably do LOL).

    But yeah, I didn’t even watch the AMA’s, and I’m way past over hearing about it. Over the press, over the hate-filled homophobic ugliness in the comment section of every article and yes, I think it’s time for Adam to shut up now. I feel for his position – people keep asking him and he feels required to answer – but at some point, you have to realize that the horse has been beaten to death and just change the subject.

    Everyone has pretty much weighed in with their opiniones ad nauseum all over the world. What’s left to say? I usually try not to tell these poor kids how to live their lives, but just this once Adam – I’m asking you to STFU.

  79. Meanwhile, it looks like his album has stalled ‘” or settled in ‘” on the iTunes chart. It’s not dropping, but neither is it moving up. Where is it on amazon.com?

    Isn’t status quo a good thing given his predicted numbers vs. what people expected pre-release?

  80. I hope its not the topic of discussion on Ellen on Monday.

    I will ony be watching the performance because I am just focusing on the music. I’m tired to listening to Adam whine and place blame on others. None of this would have happened if he hadn’t stepped over the line on the AMA’s. I used to enjoy his interviews but not so much any more since he’s turning activist despite his previous statements.

    I’m really tired of the whole AMA/GMA discussion. Ca the media please get back to focusing on Adam’s music?

    I wouldn’t hold your breath. So long as Adam is willing to talk about it, they will continue to focus on it. He is the one taking it away from the music now. Sad.

  81. I’m really tired of the whole AMA/GMA discussion. Ca the media please get back to focusing on Adam’s music?

    It’s getting pretty tiresome but I don’t see this moving away any time soon. And admittedly we get saturated because all media coverage is posted here. He is on Ellen tuesday, ofcourse they will talk about it. Also I would assume Larry King has him on to talk about it. Maybe after that it will be less in the press?

    However the contorversy over the kiss (including the blurring of the photo) has made international news so when he is (if he is) marketed in Europe/Asia, I am sure these questions will come up again.

    I just wanna know how many songs he will perform on Ellen and if we’ll get to see FYE again.

  82. I think they are both thankful to the shot AI gave them, but I don’t think either one of them want to be apart of the AI institution now that they are off the show.

    I haven’t noticed Blake Lewis turning up his nose at guest performing on American Idol, nor have I noticed him not wanting to be in the audience for all the big shows. I seriously doubt Adam’s going to not want to be on Idol, if they ask him. The show is still the highest rated series on TV.

    I honestly don’t think anyone with any type of edge will ever win.

    David Cook managed it, and he isn’t all boy next door in his performances or in the songs he chooses to sing or how he sometimes addresses the crowd. For him, there’s a time and a place. That’s the key.

  83. It’s really only people who read blogs like this that collect all the interviews in one place that are saturated with Adam news. The point of doing so many repetitive interviews is to reach a new group of people each time. The same people that read one magazine don’t necessarily read the other one and the same with radio programs and TV programs.

    Exactly.

    As far as past idols are concerned, didn’t I hear Adam say at one point that he met Kelly after the AMAs and talked to her for the first time? I don’t know why we expect all these guys to be best friends already.

  84. Good to hear that Adam had permission of sorts for kissing Tommy. Lambliff/Tombert/Atom lives

    Does this mean the kiss was planned in advance, not a “got carried away” moment like he claimed?

  85. Adam’s smart. He had my entire extended family talking about him all day at the dinner table yesterday during thanksgiving. Along with everyone else. He did his job. He created a stir. And whether you want to believe it or not, its gunna help him sell albums. Yes, it should be about the music, and the music is GREATFUCKINGAMAZINGAWESOME, but sometimes you need that extra push to get your name out there so people hear about you enough to go out and check it out…

  86. Carrie.

    Kinda like seeing David A. with Lady GaGa. David was nervous. Lady Gaga called him on it and he confirmed it. Is Lady G. a bad person for making David A. nervous, no. Is David a bad person for being nervous, no. Will they be best buds? Doubtful. Is this bad? I don’t think so.

    If you ask David A. about Adam’s performance you are going to put him in a bad spot. He doesn’t like to be mean to anyone. But the bottom line is that it is probably way over his comfort level. I don’t think that makes David a bad person, and I don’t think it makes Adam a bad person because he is not within certain peoples comfort zone. And I doubt they’ll be best buddies either.

    So, Carrie and Adam… same boat to me. If she isn’t looking to be Adam’s bff that doesn’t make her a bad person. Or Adam either.

  87. I mean, she is on AI ever season like a gazillion times. She sure made the time to get to know Cook.

    Maybe she and Cook have things in common. Maybe she finds Adam intimidating. Who knows.

    Carrie doesn’t speak much about Archie or Blake either. And I don’t think it’s her “job” to get to know anyone. But be that as it may, I hardly think Carrie is going to be intimidated by contestants on Idol. LOL. Carrie and Jordin aren’t best friends. And why does Carrie have to be friends with Adam? Is there some unspoken rule? That’s ridiculous.

  88. Kinda like seeing David A. with Lady GaGa.

    Haha, this is news to me. When did it happen? ITA with your post!

  89. That’s a big assumption. I suspect that she merely has more kinship with Danny and Kris’ music. But then we’ll never know how she really feels about Adam, because Carrie has enough tact not to criticize or patronize him publicly

    But it’s also a big assumption that my opinion is not just as valid as yours. I never said she publically patronized him and criticized him. I also never said she wasn’t classy, as I do think she is.

    I am basing my opinion on the interview where she said idols had a responsibility to present the same image as they did on the show. That is the polar opposite of what Adam is saying here in this interview. So right off the bat, there is a philosophical difference in their views on AI.

    Also I based some opinion of Carrie from her statement from the pre red carpet AMA. She was asked about Adam and her answer was “I don’t reallly know him.” She could have…”I haven’t had a chance to get to know him but he seems like a nice guy from the few times I met him on the show.” or “I think he has a great voice, etc.” Don’t forget she is very good friends with Randy Travis (didn’t her into the Grand Ole Oprey?) and as we all saw from ROF, Randy didn’t like Adam.

    And really who cares if Carrie likes Adam and vise versa. I was just making conversation since I have the day off work. :)

  90. The kiss with Tommy wasn’t pre-planned but Adam did say that while filming the music video Tommy gave him permission to do whatever he wanted as far as performing with him. They appear to be on the same page in attitude. And any time Adam refers to Rock N Roll, I think attitude, not guitars vs dance beat.

    I still say the kiss was hot.

  91. Does this mean the kiss was planned in advance, not a ‘got carried away’  moment like he claimed?

    No, I think what happened was that Tommy gave him permission to kiss/grab him during a show, not that they rehearsed or planned it.

  92. Adam could just say I’m done talking about this. I don’t care either way because it’s his call. It’s getting boring though. He needs to move on.

    It’s boring for AI fanatics that read every little scrap about AI alumni via sites like mjs. There was the same complaint when Adam and Kris were doing post-Idol media rounds – why can’t they sing different songs cuz the same ones over and over are boring? Why can the media stop asking about Adam having a “crush” on Kris? Kris really needs to stop saying that someone else deserved to win at every interview… Oh, we’ve heard the story of how DC happened to audition for AI a thousand times – he really needs to tell some different stories… etc, etc, etc.

    If a particular issue generates controversy, it’s a certainty there will be more media interested in covering it and interviewing the Idols involved. And every single interviewer will want to address the hot topic of the moment.

  93. One poster referred to David Cook as someone who is edgy who WON. That deserves major eye rolls. Is that a joke? He was creative with song arrangement on idol not edgy. That statement leaves opinion and is just plain erroneous IMO.

    Nobody edgy has won idol. As a matter of fact I don’t think anyone from a blue state has won idol. They’re all south (red) and midwest- (also red). My politics are Republican so this is not intended to insult the red. I live in NYC and I don’t care for country music. And I find Adam refreshing and consider him immensely talented. I don’t think we have to agree with every word an artist says. For instance in RS, Adam dissed Bush. I liked Bush (not a popular opinion, I know) but I still HEART Adam and am excited about his career.

  94. And why does Carrie have to be friends with Adam? Is there some unspoken rule? That’s ridiculous.

    ITA- There is nothing wrong with them not having anything in common. Doesn’t mean they aren’t both nice people in their own right.

  95. The hottest thing about the AMA performance was Adam kissing Tommy!! I was like hell yeah when I saw that and then I read that Tommy was straight. Damn they could have made one sexy couple!!

  96. Meanwhile, it looks like his album has stalled ‘” or settled in ‘” on the iTunes chart. It’s not dropping, but neither is it moving up. Where is it on amazon.com?

    Isn’t everyone out spending their money on Christmas gifts now? Maybe that means Adam’s album is now selling hard copies from the stores now.

  97. I agree that David Cook was the one contestant who won AI who has some edge. David’s appearance was much more edgy hair dye and edgier style before the top 24 was selected, than he toned it down and changed to a more conservative hair style for the competition. Adam was less flamboyant and edgy during the auditions and more so during the top 12 competition. Cook even though to me it was obvious from his first audition he would probably win wasn’t seen as the frontrunner, David A was.

  98. The hottest thing about the AMA performance was Adam kissing Tommy!! I was like hell yeah when I saw that and then I read that Tommy was straight. Damn they could have made one sexy couple!!

    I agree with this, the kiss was HOT.

  99. Isn’t everyone out spending their money on Christmas gifts now? Maybe that means Adam’s album is now selling hard copies from the stores now.

    No, I don’t think so. It’s pretty common for debut albums to be up on top of ITunes at the beginning of the week and then drift down a bit as the week goes on. Nothing unusual here.

    ETA: There is no such thing as an edgy Idol contestant to me. LOL. Not while they are on the show anyway. Adam got edgy when he left, but while he was there he was within the realm mainstream idol, he could just sing his face off. Cook got a reputation for being more creative than the average contestant. But nobody was humping the floor or singing un-commericial music or anything.

  100. And every single interviewer will want to address the hot topic of the moment.

    True but it doesn’t mean that Adam has to respond. The chip on his shoulder is still big, if not bigger, now that he’s commenting on the CBS business. I don’t think his PR people are doing him any favours right now by not advising him to change the topic.

  101. I liked this interview because Adam adressed a lot of “Gay questions” That OUT magazine editor would wanted to Adam adressed them in his magazine.

    Adam is a free spirit, he answer question when he wants :)

  102. Does this mean the kiss was planned in advance, not a ‘got carried away’  moment like he claimed?

    I’m starting to wonder about some of this myself. As I think back to the summer tour, I remember one instance when he was about to say the f-word, but caught himself just in time. Then, of course, there was the word “bitches” that came out in LA, but that was, I’m sure, planned for that specific arena. He performed “Slow Ride” with Allison for 50+ shows, and never once did he lose control with her. He was always the perfect gentleman even though the song they sang had a sexy vibe to it. I know Adam loves to “shock” people, but I feel that is planned.
    The bottom line is that I feel that people do not need to worry about Adam losing control on stage in the future. JMHO

  103. Loved the interview, i really don’t see where Adam is making “excuses”, rather he is stating his “reasons”, and what I really liked was how he described himself as “a flower child, really much more of a hippie, and a Romantic, and crack up “Vanilla”, that the leather,etc…is fashion, not his lifestyle, he’s an entertainer and a great one as far as i’m concerned, its time to lighten up and move on, how to expect any common sense when GMA replaces Adam with CB – one is giving a show of sexy, a little raunch, but PLAY, and he did say he kinda had the permission of Tommy to grab, or do what ever during the performance, doubt that he actually had his tongue down T’s throat, like some reviews like to say, but CB – that’s another story isn’t it? Real Violence, and i also thought in very poor taste to have him the following day after Rihanna , shame on you GMA ~ Love the Music Adam!

  104. Saying ‘No Comment’ would be dissected as well, he’d probably be criticized for that too.

    I would like to hear more about the band and if they’ll tour together or if they are only doing the promo together right now. Tommy and Adam on tour FTW!

  105. 4evrmomof4
    this
    I live in Europe, I used to live in the USA – I find it so refreshing that SEX is not a f…… tabooo here.
    We all come from sex, YEAH ADAM

  106. Adam, Adam, Adam…

    One thing I can say is that he will NEVER receive respect from other idols whose minds are set on music not on controversies, gossips and buzzes. But Adam is smiling big because his antics sell records as he planned.

  107. Sassycatz, David Cook’s edge was never a part of American Idol. I remember after he won reading a quote from some celebrity (can’t remember her name now) saying, “I can’t believe a soft rocker won AI.” I laughed when I read it thinking, oh man, that is SO not David Cook. He played the game and did what he needed to win.

    Once again about Carrie, she is a part of the entertainment community. I am sure she has friends who are flamboyant, gay, straight, Christian, Jewish; heck she is even good friends with David Cook who swears and is (OMG!) Agnostic.

  108. Once again about Carrie, she is a part of the entertainment community. I am sure she has friends who are flamboyant, gay, straight, Christian, Jewish; heck she is even good friends with David Cook who swears and is (OMG!) Agnostic

    OMG! I don’t think I brought up religion at all.

    Who knows who she is friends with. I was being specific in regards to her published views about an idol’s image on the show and what it should be like after the show. Those views are the polar opposite of what Adam thinks. I also found her comment on the red carpet kind of odd. Since she sang on the show, I’m sure she saw Adam’s rehearsal. I just don’t think that type of performance (like ROF) is her cup of tea. But that is just my interpretation of it, that’s all.

  109. ghl
    11/27/2009 at 1:00 pm

    Adam, Adam, Adam’ ¦

    One thing I can say is that he will NEVER receive respect from other idols whose minds are set on music not on controversies, gossips and buzzes.

    I disagree. Never say NEVER. For one, purely speculative, people here are claiming that David Cook is “edgy.” He may appreciate Adam’s take-no-prisoners style of remaining true to himself, even if it ruffles some feathers. And I think I heard Carrie is a fan of 80’s hair metal? She certainly covered Motley Crue. They’re not squeaky-clean, y’know? I think the other idols are aware of Adam’s talent. Now if Sanjaya were getting this much press…

  110. One thing I can say is that he will NEVER receive respect from other idols whose minds are set on music not on controversies, gossips and buzzes. But Adam is smiling big because his antics sell records as he planned.

    Kris and Allison probably still have plenty of respect for Adam. Anoop and Blake Lewis defended his AMA antics too. So I think this is a bit silly.

  111. I love all of the varying opinions that Adam conversations always spark. All I know is that a year ago, pre-Adam, I definately had a few beliefs that Adam has gently nudged me into re-thinking. Self exploration is a wonderful thing and Adam has definately caused a lot of that this year. In my mind, that’s never a bad thing. Myself…I love the guy and he’s never done anything to make me feel otherwise. Even if he’s not your thing, I think it’s great that he’s been able to get everybody talking about topics that are sometimes difficult to address.

    He’s got my support and I hope he continues to stay true to himself in his journey. I find his honesty inspiring.

  112. Can Adam think about anything but sex? It remains to be seen. I thought he was 27, not 17. Is there room in his brain for other topics? Heck, even Britney can change the subject occasionally.

  113. Lovely interview, I usually don’t expect to agree with the way of thinking of my favorite artists, but I almost wanted to give Adam an standing ovation for this interview, just because I don’t get why gay people feel like your sexuality should define who or where you hang out with, being gay I’ve never been to a gay bar in my life, simply because I’ve never felt curious about it, it’s just auto-segregation and I don’t agree with that at all; I heard Linda Perry felt like that too, she and Adam might have been the only openly gay celebrities that I’ve ever heard embracing that kind of view.

    Yes, as he said, it’s all about visibility, and as Harvey Milk used to say, you do enough just by coming out, it takes balls to do that, you don’t need to become a spokesperson for a community just because you came out.

    I kinda really understand where Adam is coming from now, but it is time to move on from the AMA thing, with the exception of this one, interviews have gotten really repetitive.

    BTW, I never heard him dissing other idols, he is right, he is not easy listening, is “easy listening” an offense? Because I also love music that’s labelled as easy listening, I might want to change the genre of those albums right now before I offend those artists…

  114. She certainly covered Motley Crue.

    I didn’t know Carrie covered Motely Crue. Was it a rock song or one of their ballads. I will try and check it out.

    But I will say, I do think Carrie has a squeaky-clean image. Whether it is true or not, is another story. But I do see that is the image being cultivated (i.e Grand Old Opery). Even her short shorts look good. She always balances her style so she still looks classy.

  115. Hey, it’s perfectly okay if Carrie doesn’t like Adam (if true) as I doubt very much Jesus Takes the Wheel or Cowboy Casanova is on Adam’s playlist.

    Different strokes for different folks, it doesn’t have to be personal.

    Someone else posted that Adam will never get the respect of the other Idols – talk about a generalization! As for the vile comments posted in response to articles on the internet about Adam, most of them are posted by haters who would hate Adam no matter how he presented himself just because they hate gays.

    “Can Adam think about anything but sex? It remains to be seen. I thought he was 27, not 17”

    He’s a man and from what I know about men he’s not unusual in that respect; it’s pretty much universal! 27, 57, 77… My mom is 90 and in assisted living and the men hit on her :)

  116. And you, Adam, are a prostitute’s prostitute. A money-grubbing famewhore whose glorious singing abilities have now been all but supplanted by a controversy of your own fabrication. Nice.

  117. Am I supposed to give a fuck what the Idols think of each other?

    Anyways, loved some bits of the interview. The AMA stuff has been covered at length already but I found the convo on the gay community and expectations etc and his take on everything quite interesting..and refreshing.

    All intriguing stuff……

  118. One thing I can say is that he will NEVER receive respect from other idols whose minds are set on music not on controversies, gossips and buzzes. But Adam is smiling big because his antics sell records as he planned.

    If the other Idols are enjoying any sort of success at all, they are doing so from inside the music industry and understand far better how it works than any of us.
    Those that respect him (and there are many) likely do so for the same reasons I do- vocal talent, work ethic, representing himself truthfully, and not kowtowing to some imaginary standard imposed by Idol or an outside agency.

    He is what he is and given the challenges put in front of him by the last legally sanctioned prejudice in the USA I think he does a remarkable job.

  119. I didn’t know Carrie covered Motely Crue. Was it a rock song or one of their ballads. I will try and check it out.

    Yeah, it’s the “I’m on my way, home sweet home” song. they might have even used it as the going home song on Idol. A ballad, yes, but IIRC there was an interview where they asked if she listened to much Motley Crue and she said she grew up on 80’s rock. But I’m not a huge Carrie fan so no idea where that article is now.

    anemicandholding
    11/27/2009 at 1:14 pm

    Can Adam think about anything but sex? It remains to be seen. I thought he was 27, not 17. Is there room in his brain for other topics? Heck, even Britney can change the subject occasionally.

    Wow. This interview was by a LGBT group…of course they are going to ask about sexuality-related issues.

  120. Am I supposed to give a fuck what the Idols think of each other?

    ROTFLMAO

  121. A whore whose glorious singing abilities have now been all but supplanted

    I doubt singing abilities can be surplanted by deepthroating or even simulating it..if not George Michael would be postively helliuminous and mute by now

    All good stuff……… :mrgreen:

  122. [googletot] Adam just needs to STFU and get over it. He’s not Madonna, the Beatles, Elvis, and apparently he was a phony on AI. Now the real Adam Lambert has arrived, stuck on himself and self-righteous thinking he can do whatever he wants and get away with it. Keep it up Adam, and you’ll be right back performing where you were before Idol.

    Why should he STFU if media (including those from other countries) want to address the hot issues of the moment? How exactly was he a phony on AI? He did much the same mix of performances on Idol that he did, say, at the Upright cafe – sometimes risque, other times not.

    [butte009] Wow’ ¦. that kind of criticizes all the former winners doesn’t it?

    And he’s pop, not rock and roll from the 4 songs I’ve heard. So he really needs to stop with the rock and roll thing.

    Er… no, it’s not a criticism because it’s actually a true statement and all AI winners have had to deal with that issue especially with their rushed (except for Kelly C) debut albums. We’re always discussing after each Idol season here on mjs about whether it’s better to be runner up or winner in terms of how much freedom one is allowed when making a record.

    As others have mentioned, “rock and roll” refers to the rebellious attitude that popular music has had since the 50s and not the particular sub-genre of music.

    [Tess] So of course the invested American Idol fan is going to have a hard time with him now. They felt they were ‘duped’  into believing this man was going to be singing Mad World for the rest of his career.

    If some fans actually feel duped, as you say, then they were also willfully ignoring his over-the-top performances like Ring Of Fire and Whole Lotta Love.

    [Eileen99] It would be refreshing to see Adam stop criticizing others for their ‘in the moment’  reactions to his ‘in the moment’  performance. The more I see/hear of Adam, the more I dislike him. Taking some responsibility and not blaming others would be a good thing. It would also be nice for the media to stop kissing his ass and start calling him out on his own double-standards.

    “In the moment” reaction? But that was CBS’ official prepared statement! Adam is 100% correct that the explanation was weak; they could have, and should have, come up with a more plausible reason (what that would be, I don’t know but I’m sure they have highly paid professionals on staff to craft responses for this type of thing). Ironically, the CBS statement uses the phrase “we gave this some real thought”. Really, CBS? :/

  123. I’m late to the party on the Jim C interview(s) discussion, but didn’t it seem like Suburban Decay might already be in talks for Eclipse? There was a little wink, gleam in the eye. And his statement about touring with Gaga and that ‘he might just let her have control’, that sounded kind of promising. Maybe I’m projecting my wishful thinking.

  124. whoa…why is there such a big fuss about what he said in this interview?
    I kind of took it as him answering the questions as candidly as possible without apologizing for what he did while still pointing the things he thinks are wrong about the situation in the gay community and I agree with everything he said…
    I mean Im a straight female so I dont have to deal with this type of scrutiny so I really dont want to be too judgmental toward Adam…its tough trying to please everyone…
    the interviewer is smart and asked the questions in the right manner…
    plus we got some cool little tidbits about that Tommy dude who Adam kissed…I thought that was pretty funny and I also thought it was incredibly brave for them to talk about the whole sexuality issue and heterosexuality thing…
    I agree with Adam, I just want this to go away so everyone can focus more on his music…he clearly stated that this performance is just a one-off and he doesnt want ppl to think thats what hes all about..
    will be back later for more links from all you fabulous fans :)

  125. One thing I can say is that he will NEVER receive respect from other idols whose minds are set on music not on controversies, gossips and buzzes. But Adam is smiling big because his antics sell records as he planned.

    I wouldn’t presume to know what any of these people think of Adam or anyone else. After all, we don’t actually know any of them.

    Am I supposed to give a fuck what the Idols think of each other?

    I sure hope not. I don’t give a crap what a reality tv contestant thinks about anyone or anything. I know people a lot smarter and a lot wiser than any of them. They’re all a bunch of kids looking for their break in the entertainment business. I don’t think we’re supposed to be looking to them for life advice LOL.

  126. I sure hope not. I don’t give a crap what a reality tv contestant thinks about anyone or anything. I know people a lot smarter and a lot wiser than any of them. They’re all a bunch of kids looking for their break in the entertainment business. I don’t think we’re supposed to be looking to them for life advice LOL.

    Phew!!Thanks, was wondering…lol

  127. I think that it’s odd that we are talking about that he’s carrying this too far and won’t let it die. This interview was Wednesday right? CBS blurring the photo was Wednesday right? When would he have had an opportunity to discuss it, Tuesday right? We are reading this Friday and the AMA’s happened just 5 days ago. It’s only an over-saturation because everything that is printed in the media about Adam is gathered over here. I guarandamntee that the general public aren’t seeing and watching every article, or every video, or every quote like we are. So our perspective is as people who are totally focused on this guy. For some Adam is a heat seeking missile, for others he is a ray of light, it’s the folk on either side that are perpetuating this discussion the other several million people are grabbing their Alka seltzer or tums and just trying to survive turkey day.

    I wish though that people would listen to the entire interview. He as always makes some valid points, and astute observations about this and so many other things, and he too just seems to want to get on with it.

    This notion that he is being someone else after idol, or that he just being OTT for his post idol career is ludicrous to me. It makes me think that folk only watched alternate episodes of idol. I for one like multifaceted Adam. I love not being able to know if when he starts to sing are you gonna get Feeling Good Adam, or WLL Adam.

  128. There is no such thing as an edgy Idol contestant to me. LOL. Not while they are on the show anyway. Adam got edgy when he left

    I thought Adam’s ROF was pretty darn edgy! The judges did too, hence their reactions…

  129. carolinacharms:
    And you, Adam, are a prostitute’s prostitute. A money-grubbing famewhore whose glorious singing abilities have now been all but supplanted by a controversy of your own fabrication. Nice.

    How charming. The history of music, even dating back 100 years, has been about pushing people’s buttons, controversy, getting noticed. It’s nice to see that Adam is already so successful.

  130. It’s interesting to me how many lyrics from Adam’s songs, even his pre-Idol songs, seem so prescient. To those of you exhausted from Adam – mania:

    “Raise the stakes
    I’m wide awake be in your sight, ’til your head aches.

    . . . .

    Cross promotion
    Cross the ocean
    I’ll make bank off of their devotion.

    Drink the potions
    Cause commotions
    Got them feeling strong emotions.

    I’ll inspire,
    They’ll admire,
    Won’t turn on me ’cause i got fire.

    Fame expires,
    I’ll retire but I’ll hold on down to the wire.”

  131. carolinacharms
    11/27/2009 at 1:18 pm

    And you, Adam, are a prostitute’s prostitute. A money-grubbing famewhore whose glorious singing abilities have now been all but supplanted by a controversy of your own fabrication. Nice.

    And this is the site that brags about being linked by Adam allegedly? In your dreams. Let me complete my little internet list, VFTW, Top Idol, Rickey, & MJsbigblog. Hit grubbing internet whores.

  132. I wish though that people would listen to the entire interview. He as always makes some valid points, and astute observations about this and so many other things, and he too just seems to want to get on with it.

    Yep, I nearly turned it off when i thought it was going to be just about the AMAs. But I stuck with it and really enjoyed the bulk of the interview….I was curious about a couple of things and they were covered here

  133. I agree that he was a bit more daring on the AMA’s than on idol. :grin:
    He commented recently that they shot him performing WLL on idol from the waste up. Apparently he did the mick stand move then too.

  134. I’m right there with you. I like his record and will pick it up at some point (or at least download some tracks), but its like a never ending circus of ‘controversy’  with this kid.

    Well, even though I guess most people aren’t quite believing it, we are smack in the middle of an extremely intense and bitter civil-rights struggle at the moment. And Adam, whatever his political opinions about it, represents that struggle in a way that few people do — an openly gay man *launching* a pop-music career (and “pop musician” is pretty much shorthand for “overall sex symbol”. And, unlike previous rights struggles, this one not only exerts horrible fascination over a *lot* people because of the intense issues of power such fights raise but also may even more intensely fascinate everybody because it’s completely tied up with sex, gender identity, and other issues that are incredibly hot button for nearly everybody, whether we acknowledge it to ourselves or not.

    That being the case, he’s going to be asked question after question after question about things related to his sexuality, his presentation of it as a performer, and so on. And he’s going to be asked them by GLBT people who are heavily involved in the struggle themselves, and by mainstream media who are not only interested in it but find it a ratings grabber. And he’s going to be challenged to shut up about it by people who would rather not have to hear about this struggle when they’re looking for music to listen to and entertainment, so these folks will be mentioning a lot too, in commentaries and the like.

    In short, we ain’t going to hear the last of it soon, and I’m not surprised that people are saying they’re getting sick of it. But the fact is that the focus on it is not really Adam’s fault (unless you blame him for deciding to be both a sexual performer and an out gay guy — but, to me, it’s hard to blame him for stuff that he just simply *is). He’s pushing a helluva lot of a helluva lot of people’s buttons by being the guy he is and giving other people reason to hope that, if they push him to the forefront, it will help their cause. Etc. ….

    As a society, we were ripe to hvae all this stuff become loud controversy. And with Adam as kind of a catalyst added to the cultural scene, here comes the loud controversy.

    Very similar things happened during the height of the black civil rights’ struggle and the feminist struggle. Repeatedly, actually. You just can’t avoid it. His persona is going to call up comments from way too many people.

  135. I absolutely LOVED that inteview. I love Adam and the guy that interviewed him. Just awesome.

  136. I agree, listen. And its funny, for all the criticism Adam gets for the judges pimping (like he could control it anyway, lol), Simon came down on him hard plenty of times.

    And the truth is, this topic is really only saturated on Idol blogs. If it weren’t for MJ’s I never would have heard the interview with fab. In “real life,” people are only catching a fragment of this discussion.

    And here is the truth, Adam is a gay,often flamboyant, singer at the start of his career. And, he is about as “open book” as you will ever find. It was only a matter of time before a controversy such as this was going to break out in the media. Better to just have the discussion now, and then move on.

  137. Just because Adam is living his life as he pleases doesn’t mean he is making a political statement. He explained in his interview that he doesn’t keep up with politics, he isn’t interested in politics. He’s just doing his thing, it’s not about politics. It’s not about leading a movement or pleasing or displeasing people, it’s doing what he wants to do on any given day just like the rest of us.

    No matter what he says or does he’s going to be talked about more so than the average Idol and that’s not going to stop unless he hides out under a rock. I’m staying around for the ride, but I am kind of hoping when the new AI season starts people find someone else to dissect. Not that I will be interested, I’m pretty tired of the whole AI shebang.

  138. Personally this whole controversy has been disheartening to me because I saw it as an opportunity to have a meaningful conversation about the biases and double standards in operation in show business. Instead I see Adam being constantly asked to STFU ALREADY, even though the interview in question was with a GLBT magazine and so naturally the controversy was a topic of interest to them. Its a little unnerving to see the impulse to silence rather than discuss a problem.
    And I must say I see no conflict between his desire to not become an activist but still wanting to stand up for himself as an artist if he feels the effects of a double standard. Its his right, as it is anyones choice to simply not listen to an interview that is specifically summarized as dealing with said issue.

  139. Saying ‘No Comment’ would be dissected as well, he’d probably be criticized for that too.

    Isn’t that essentially what Clay did and didn’t that work out well. His failure to discuss pretty much destroyed his career. He had many of his fans fiercely arguing he was straight and then feeling betrayed and those that believed he was gay thought he acted cowardly. Adam is really the first openly gay pop star to come out at the start of his career. His sexual preference and his sexual inclinations will be a topic for years to come until there is another openly gay pop star and another and another. It is inevitable and it is clearly what Adam wanted. In my mind, there can’t be enough talk about it. Not until people’s sensitivities and prejudices are overcome.

  140. And you, Adam, are a prostitute’s prostitute. A money-grubbing famewhore whose glorious singing abilities have now been all but supplanted by a controversy of your own fabrication. Nice.

    WOW…..looks like he now has your attention…so now you can listen to the music for the first time

  141. I thought Adam’s ROF was pretty darn edgy! The judges did too, hence their reactions’ ¦

    Oh it was a great performance, but “edgy”? Maybe in the context of idol… I think he was/is a compelling presence, a great voice, certainly gave off a strong sex vibe on the show which was new for them… but “edgy” is just short for “cutting edge” to me, and/or skirting on the edge of public acceptance. I don’t think Adam was “edgy” in that way on the show… I think he was quite reminiscent of 70s glam gods and 80s metal guys, which is kinda mainstream now. You know what I mean? But its all semantics anyway. It perfectly fine to consider him edgy on idol to me. No biggie.

    As a society, we were ripe to hvae all this stuff become loud controversy. And with Adam as kind of a catalyst added to the cultural scene, here comes the loud controversy.

    That’s an interesting perspective lucy, and I see where you are coming from. For me, its not so much that he’s talking about being gay, which is to be expected and to some degree, commended. Its just that its all, for months now, for me anyway, if been so tabloid-like. Adam fights with the Out guy! Adam gropes girl’s breasts! Adam calls his fans smelly! Adam has BJs on stage! Adam gets banned from GMA! From the Rolling stone article, it feel like circus after circus after circus. And I don’t know, it didn’t bother me at first, but after months of this I kinda just want him to shut up and sing already. LOL. I think he can be a gay entertainer, even a gay entertainer that is openly sexual, without all the crazy. Clearly he likes pushing buttons and stirring up stuff, and he appears to be quite intent on answering every criticism, and that’s fine if that’s what he wants to do. I am however, experiencing Shocking!Scandal! fatigue.

  142. carolinacharms
    11/27/2009 at 1:40 pm
    So’ ¦it is kind of hard to figure out’ ¦are you a fan or not.

    LOL. Well, put it this way, I’d rather he sing than talk.

    Then perhaps he’s rather you just listen to his album than judging his character. That’ll lower your blood pressure and serves both you guys better.

  143. As my last Adam post I just want to say I wish him luck and much success. He has worked hard to become the daring and talented entertainer he is now. I hope he will continue to point out discrimination where it exists, but that is only a hope. He must enjoy this time, and somehow from what I’ve read he has got that figured out.

  144. Adam is simply joining on the bandwagon of those who see being ‘political’ as almost a hobby – a choice (so to speak). But hello, Adam would be no where without those who struggled to gain ground before him and he does not seem to get that ultimately, it is not a choice. It’s not like those who have been persecuted, asked for it. Neither did they ask to take up a life of defending their rights. They were pushed up against the wall, and, at some point, they decide to do something about it. If you are gay and a public figure, you will be forced to take a stand, because those are the times we live in. Of course it shouldn’t be that way, which is why there are loads of courageous people out there working to change it.

    When Adam decided to try out for American Idol and be himself on the show, that was a political act, given the times we live in, whether he wants to admit it or not. And now, Adam rests comfortably on the already burdened backs of the gay rights movement, with all the spotlight shining on him, saying many of their voices are old-fashioned. I think the man’s self-centeredness prevents him from seeing the greater context of which he is a part.

    He claims to not be ‘political’, but yet he rails at the injustice and the double standards happening in the media and people’s minds – (hint to Adam: that IS political). He’s happy to be out there changing people’s minds, but does not want the weight of being considered a gay poster child. It sure sounds to me that he wants all the glory but none of the responsibility. And I consider that an immature and selfish posture to take.

  145. Its a little unnerving to see the impulse to silence rather than discuss a problem.
    And I must say I see no conflict between his desire to not become an activist but still wanting to stand up for himself as an artist if he feels the effects of a double standard. Its his right, as it is anyones choice to simply not listen to an interview that is specifically summarized as dealing with said issue.

    Power to the people! LOL

    Then perhaps he’s rather you just listen to his album than judging his character. That’s lower your blood pressure and serves both you guys better.

    Right on!

  146. I find this all so very funny. I’m from Canada. Years ago we put Gay rights into our human rights code. It is unlawful to discriminate against someone because of their sexual preference. Gay marriages are legalized and it has not toppled the sancity of marriage up here. If the AMA’s had been televised in Canada, Adam would have had a legitimite discriminate lawsuit against ABC. If ABC did not censor Janet Jackson and the many other performers that had sexually charged performances, they had no right censoring Adam for doing the same thing. Then on top of it to cancel GMA. Would have not flown in Canada at all.

  147. He does what he wants, and he doesn’t care who he offends. To me, that sounds like a true rock star in the making.

    Love that line from an article posted up stream….

    I also love that he gets so many people all worked up…his PR people must just love him for that, as he makes there job, that much easier. He is self promoting!

    I see it more as people keep wanting to ask him about the controversy, and less about him wanting to talk about. People would complain if during interviews he would say I don’t or will not talk about that certain subject anymore, or his PR people telling them they can’t ask him certain questions. At least he seems pretty damn open and honest!

  148. The media doesn’t let the subject go. Plus not every one sits on these blogs all day reading similar articles about the same matter. I’m tired of it, too, but I don’t blame it on Adam, the guy is answering questions that THE MEDIA is asking. Yeah, he could comment that he doesn’t want to talk about it anymore and maybe change the subject but then some would comment he’s “avoiding” the questions. Guy can’t win.

    It’s my own fault that I’m tired of it and can only blame myself since I’m the one spending too much time here!

  149. He claims to not be ‘political’, but yet he rails at the injustice and the double standards happening in the media and people’s minds ‘“ (hint to Adam: that IS political). He’s happy to be out there changing people’s minds, but does not want the weight of being considered a gay poster child. It sure sounds to me that he wants all the glory but none of the responsibility. And I consider that an immature and selfish posture to take.

    He does not want to be political; he is not interested in politics per se, yet he is affected by the politics of our culture, as can be seen by his cancelled GMA performance. When asked to respond to questions about that, he has every right to answer. This does not mean that he wants to spend his energy being a politician. Many people, to the left and to the right, who are political, want to use discussion of his actions as a way to promote their own political agendas.

  150. I do see your point, movin2thabeet, and I believe in substance I agree with all that you say, save perhaps the judgment of Adam’s choices on how he’s trying to navigate the matter.

    I really don’t see Adam taking but not appreciating the spoils won by the blood, sweat and tears of others. He does have the advantage of coming later in time than, say, Harvey Milk, but that’s nothing he did. And because it’s later and the matter/discussion has advanced (in many ways but obviously not all) it’s only natural for his view and approach to differ from those of an older generation. He grew up differently and lives in a different world, for the most part.

    Ultimately, for any civil rights battle, we need both those who take up arms and fight, as well as those who simply will be who they are (and strive to be their best at their chosen pursuit.) Don’t we?

    Well, at least that’s how I see it and believe it to be.

  151. He claims to not be ‘political’, but yet he rails at the injustice and the double standards happening in the media and people’s minds ‘“ (hint to Adam: that IS political). He’s happy to be out there changing people’s minds, but does not want the weight of being considered a gay poster child. It sure sounds to me that he wants all the glory but none of the responsibility. And I consider that an immature and selfish posture to take.

    You are not walking in his shoes and I doubt he cares if you think he is immature and selfish. That’s just your opinion.

  152. You don’t have to be a civil rights leader to not deserve discrimination. If Adam feels he is discriminated against he has every right to say so.

  153. As long as people keep asking Adam about orientation/sexuality, he is free to answer or decline to answer. He’s not the one that keeps bringing it up. As someone mentioned somewhere, this is a discussion that America needs to have. Adam doesn’t want to be a gay activist, but that doesn’t mean he can’t comment on gay-related issues when asked, particularly when he is on the receiving end of a double standard.

    Truth is, Adam can do whatever he likes. He owes no one anything. If you’re a fan of his music, as I am, you’re going to buy it irrespective of whether he thanks you often (see Gaga) or not (see Madonna). If he loses fans because he doesn’t grovel and pander to them often enough, that’s his decision, and he can change his behavior accordingly, if he so wishes. Or not.

    With regard to some Adam fans not commenting here as much… perhaps, like me, they have been lurking… enjoying the furor and giggling at the amount of time some folks spend commenting on a guy they dislike so much.

  154. Sorry to go off topic but for those who do not own the iTunes LP deluxe version of Adams album, there is a really excellent 24 minute interview on there with him. Here are the youtube links to that video divided into 3 parts.. Enjoy..Those who like all natural Adam will like these interviews, as he has very little makeup on.

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFfJqYVbk3k&feature=player_embedded

    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CtSbhq7JzI&feature=player_embedded

    Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_cFYp0wOwM&feature=player_embedded

  155. Guess when you can sell well despite so many people hating you, you really are news:

    Adam Lambert’s album sells well: Adam Lambert’s suggestive American Music Awards performance hasn’t hurt sales of h… http://bit.ly/70CJpq 34 minutes ago from twitterfeed

  156. I come to this blog and post on here everyday because I like to talk about Idol and I’ve become familiar with the different posters. It’s fun. I typically will post about all the different Idols unless I have no interest in them at all. Since I actually like Adam, I will read his threads and say something. Also, if this is where some of the posters whose opinions I like reading are, I will come in and participate because I like talking with those people.

    But I do have to admit, as a person who has been an LGBTQ ally for years, Adam has me in a bit of a dilemma. I do see his very existence as a big deal, and I have been openly worried about how he would be accepted. I see his sexual nature as part of his persona and I don’t want it to go away. Still, I can’t help feeling that so far, it been all done so cheaply. He is really talented and charismatic and interesting, but still none of that is part of the discussion. For months it has been “What shocking thing will Adam say/do next!”. I kinda thought of it as a media thing until the AMAs. I really think he just likes it this way.

    And I don’t like the way that this whole incident has turned into a “Adam the revolutionary fighting for gay rights!” kinda thing, mainly because I don’t think that is really what happened exactly. I performed badly and the sex stuff was all that stood out, then ABC takes out the more salatious aspects (not the kiss) and suddenly it becomes all about the kiss. So he’s scheduled the perform the same song a few days later and ABC freaks out and puts out dumbly worded press release and voila – suddenly a bad performance is a ’cause celbre, and Adam is Harvey Milk. Huh? And now because I think the whole thing is stupid, I want to “silence” him and I should just not comment on him anymore. I find it all very frustrating and annoying, and I think the whole situation is way to convoluted to chalk it all up to discrimination.

    It wouldn’t bother me at all if I didn’t think he was better than this. Or even worse, that the gay rights cause is better than this. He has good music and he’s got stuff to say, but it feels like the gay rights movement suddenly hired a VH1 reality show character as its spokesman.

  157. Sorry, couldn’t edit…

    If I sit back and think about it as I watched this all unfold — throughout the season and now — I see Adam being reluctantly pulled inch by inch by inch by inch into being more vocal and active in this civil rights struggle. Oddly enough, just as many here urge that he just STFU and sing, that seems to be what he would very much like to do too. Admitting, of course, that for him the music includes the visual performance and, when the song warrants, that will be sexual, angry, aggressive or what have you… so not exactly just singing. And that’s where the politics begin for him. Just being Adam, and all that entails, does push the cultural hot buttons of many, including the loud and political morality police. And, therein lies the rub for Adam.

    I really feel for the guy. This will not be easy. While I find him intelligent and savvy, I don’t believe for a second that he truly anticipated the complexity of so publicly pursuing this career, his music, his art, his expression, his freedom, himself. He knew he’d push buttons, certainly, but he seems to have honestly believed that, for the most part, he could stay out of the discussion that he admittedly strives to spark. Problem is, I don’t think he can.

  158. That’s an interesting perspective lucy, and I see where you are coming from. For me, its not so much that he’s talking about being gay, which is to be expected and to some degree, commended. Its just that its all, for months now, for me anyway, if been so tabloid-like. Adam fights with the Out guy! Adam gropes girl’s breasts! Adam calls his fans smelly! Adam has BJs on stage! Adam gets banned from GMA!

    I’m with you! … Unfortunately, he’s not only going to be wildly covered by *media* because of the hot-button issue of this, but he’s largely covered by entertainment and personality/celebrity media. … And, boy, do they ever cover anything in any other way??!

  159. Two things have made this debate reach these heights imo. Aarons open letter to Adam and GMA cancelling his show. If none of that would have happened we wouldn’t have this debate, AMA’s would just have been a daring performance poorly executed.

  160. He’s happy to be out there changing people’s minds, but does not want the weight of being considered a gay poster child. It sure sounds to me that he wants all the glory but none of the responsibility. And I consider that an immature and selfish posture to take.

    I agree with this.

    But I think that maybe he is just still naive about this stuff and hasn’t fully thought through and been educated about how these things work. I mean, he repeatedly says that he doesn’t know anything about politics, doesn’t think politically, etc. And, after all, it probably took a lot of his effort over the past 10 years just to become a singer and performer at the level that he is, not to mention figuring out his personal life a bit as an openly gay person, etc. …

    At this point, I’m willing to take his major focus on other stuff as a reasonable excuse for his not conceiving of his role the way I think he ought to be conceiving of it! … At a certain point, I’ll stop thinking it’s okay, if he goes on trying to have it both ways (which is what he’s still pretty much doing, to my mind…) … But I’m still giving him the benefit of the doubt as a non-politically/historically educated person, at this point.

  161. And I don’t like the way that this whole incident has turned into a ‘Adam the revolutionary fighting for gay rights!’  kinda thing, mainly because I don’t think that is really what happened exactly.

    I am not getting this feeling at all tinawina. I think the focus in this interview on being gay, and gay right issues, is because it’s for a gay magazine.

  162. Adam could just say I’m done talking about this. I don’t care either way because it’s his call. It’s getting boring though. He needs to move on.

    But it’s not something he can just let go of when people still want to talk about it. Especially as this was a GLBT show, so they are going to want to discuss it and different parts of it.

    But that being said, Adam himself has attempted to move on past a certain understandable point of discussing it. Like one of the radio interviews he did on Monday, he discussed it, the DJ kept wanting to talk/joke about it, Adam was like ‘hey, let’s discuss my new CD!’ and as he said in this interview or other ones, he wants to move past this. Not that he will be realistically be allowed to for a while because controversy is what media types like to talk about. For ratings, to genuinely answer questions, whatever.

  163. This may come as a surprise to some, but for Adam, the focus never was only on the music. I believe that is something others would like to project on to him. He is a performance artist and for him the staging, costuming, makeup, lighting, and overall production are just as important as the singing…and in some instances may even be more so. He has repeatedly said that the song dictates what the performance requires. (And yes, he also takes into account the venue and time of day.) The idea that he needs to “just get back to the music” is fallacious. Yes, Adam is an amazingly talented singer, but he’s much more than that.

    This may be a difficult (and possibly unpleasant) concept to grasp for those are only interested in music and could care less or even loath performance art. For me, however, his talent encompasses the whole package of not only his singing but also the visual spectacle he presents.

  164. Yes, weareallinnocent, I agree there are many roles to play now to advance gay equality. As I’ve said before, its not a black and white choice between taking up arms, becoming a politician, or simply going about living your life. I think that’s a straw man argument. Of course everyone would rather just be free to live their lives. That is easier said than done for gay people right now than for straight folks. The reality is that Adam is a performer in the public eye who happens to be gay when being gay is one of the last arenas of legal discrimination in this country. He can try to avoid discussing the ramifications of that position all he wants, but ultimately its going to follow him around throughout his whole career or until gays have equal rights.

    Here’s a scenario for you: Maybe all his fans who get so upset every time there’s another flare-up (of which there will be many), will get so incensed that they donate funds or in some other way, work to help end the discrimination that is still so prevalent in this country.

    The reality is that Adam will continuously be facing obstacles when trying to do his own thing. He knows this and it seems to be one of the themes of his writing. I understand how it is a political act to go ahead anyways. It will both open minds and shut them down but it does get discussion going. I just believe that the walls would crumble faster if he would be willing to speak about those walls beyond how they’re effecting just him. Even if he said something as simple as I admire all the work that the gay rights movement is doing now that makes it possible for me to do my thing.

    I am more than willing to own that these are all my opinions. I can’t tell Adam or anyone else what to do, but I can share my views on the subject. Especially since I get very passionate about that line we all face when we notice an injustice whether to ourselves or to others. I happen to believe that how we act when we reach that point, defines us as an individual, as a culture, and as a nation.

  165. I really feel for the guy. This will not be easy. While I find him intelligent and savvy, I don’t believe for a second that he truly anticipated the complexity of so publicly pursuing this career, his music, his art, his expression, his freedom, himself. He knew he’d push buttons, certainly, but he seems to have honestly believed that, for the most part, he could stay out of the discussion that he admittedly strives to spark. Problem is, I don’t think he can.

    Sadly, I totally agree with this!

  166. It wouldn’t bother me at all if I didn’t think he was better than this. Or even worse, that the gay rights cause is better than this. He has good music and he’s got stuff to say, but it feels like the gay rights movement suddenly hired a VH1 reality show character as its spokesman.

    See that’s just it, he feels the same way. He says he is not equipped to be the spokesperson.

    I won’t comment anymore on this thread because I am sure some of it will and should disappear into the ether. I just want to make myself clear. I don’t want to shut anyone up. Hell, normally when I am enjoying the conversation I can shoot the shit all day. I just don’t get why anyone would post ad infinitum on a subject they want gone. I am not trying to be disrespectful, I am just curious. That action doesn’t further the cause.

  167. saga, I agree with what you said upthread. I would also add that I think the letter from the OUT editor had a direct impact on Adam’s AMA performance. There was an anger to the performance that doesn’t seem to be typical of “nice guy” Adam. In direct contrast was the FYE mv which was sexual, yet playful and fun, and so much more appealing. If GMA hadn’t cancelled the morning concert I actually think this whole thing would have blown over.

  168. On the Idol Website, each contestant had a profile that included the question “Who is Your Hero?” Adam’s answer was Harvey Milk.

    That answer was there from the get-go – even before “the photos.” He was honest and APPRECIATIVE then, he’s honest and appreciative now. Not perfect, not everything to everyone, but a talented and largely stand-up guy who is probably already responsible for a higher dollar amount of charitable donations than the rest of will likely ever make in our lifetimes just because he had the cool, selfless idea to channel some fan-love in that direction.

    Really, super-hating (i.e., name-calling) just isn’t deserved IMHO.

  169. I would also add that I think the letter from the OUT editor had a direct impact on Adam’s AMA performance.

    Agree with that. He mentioned that in an interview, didn’t he? At least the finger at the end was directed at Hicklin (and his ilk).

  170. Dang – I just thought of something.- With ABC ticked at Adam, now we will never know if Adam was the ‘mystery man’ at the end of the pilot of Flash Forward. Damn you ABC ;)

  171. bridget
    11/27/2009 at 3:30 pm

    On the Idol Website, each contestant had a profile that included the question ‘Who is Your Hero?’  Adam’s answer was Harvey Milk.

    That answer was there from the get-go ‘“ even before ‘the photos.’  He was honest and APPRECIATIVE then, he’s honest and appreciative now. Not perfect, not everything to everyone, but a talented and largely stand-up guy who is probably already responsible for a higher dollar amount of charitable donations than the rest of will likely ever make in our lifetimes just because he had the cool, selfless idea to channel some fan-love in that direction.

    I never knew that this was a question that was asked and that Harvey Milk was his answer..you are right the answer was there form the beginning and I think it does show he knows the struggles of those before him. Thanks for posting!!

  172. Lets face it Adam is in the public eye. He was one of the Celebrities they quoted last nite on ET, what was he thankful for. They search him out. They want to question him. Hey, if he lifited his leg and pissed on a tree, the news would be all over it. Hes not quiet, and the news likes interviewing cause they can get him to talk. Hes interesting, Everyone wants his interviews, so hes thrown in our faces, good or bad for him who knows. I love his singing.

  173. And he sure wont be asked to perform at the Grammy announcements LOL

  174. For me, abby, and I can only speak for myself, it’s not the subject that I want gone. It just the frenzy that surrounds it. I’m happy to discuss all of it. And I enjoy Adam’s performances (AMA vocals not withstanding). What can be tiring is the spectacle of it all. I check the threads for reasoned discussion. It sometimes feels like people pile on if one doesn’t walk in lock step with the fandom, though. But maybe that’s just me *shrug*.

  175. And I don’t like the way that this whole incident has turned into a ‘Adam the revolutionary fighting for gay rights!’  kinda thing, mainly because I don’t think that is really what happened exactly. I performed badly and the sex stuff was all that stood out, then ABC takes out the more salatious aspects (not the kiss) and suddenly it becomes all about the kiss. So he’s scheduled the perform the same song a few days later and ABC freaks out and puts out dumbly worded press release and voila ‘“ suddenly a bad performance is a ’cause celbre, and Adam is Harvey Milk. Huh? And now because I think the whole thing is stupid, I want to ‘silence’  him and I should just not comment on him anymore. I find it all very frustrating and annoying, and I think the whole situation is way to convoluted to chalk it all up to discrimination.

    First, the facts — ABC editted only one of the “salatious aspects” of the performance — the gay oral sex image — not any of the similar hetro images. Adam was not scheduled to perform the same song on the GMA concert. He was scheduled to perform “Whataya Want From Me” and “Music Again”. The performance was a cause-clà ¨bre long before ABC cancelled Adam’s GMA concert. And Adam is not comparable to Harvey Milk — and he doesn’t want to be. But I bet if Harvey was still alive and had not been assinated, he would be standing right next to Adam supporting him. Because Harvey was also criticized by the Gay establishment, including The Advocate. And Harvey was constantly told to play the game and not break the rules.

    I too am glad that this issue is finally being discussed. I actually think that Adam worked exordinarily hard to be a singer and entertainer who was gay, rather than either a gay singer or a singer who just happened to be gay. He has openly discussed his sexuality without being political and without falling back on the easy PR strategy “I’m gay and I do not want to discuss my private life”.

    Adam has been walking on a tightrope for months. He’s been bashed by altra conservative Christians on one side and gay activitists on the other. He was the featured artist in this year’s Out 100 but also the subject of criticism and essentially called a “puppet” by the Editor-in-Chief in the same issue. What other Idol has had to deal with any of these kinds of pressures? What new artist has had to walk through such a minefield. No it wasn’t a great performance. It was a performance build on anger and frustration, that ended with two improvised acts: one a defining moment, the kiss, and the other an act of defiance, the raised finger [of camera but photographed].

    ABC did what they needed to do to protect the network, Dick Clark Productions ducked the whole issue, but Adam stood behind his performance and did not apologize. That is why this is rapidly becoming a cultural milestone.

    It wasn’t the performance or the West Coast edit, that made this an important story. It was that Adam stood up and sent a message to all his critics — “I am who I am and I will not apologize.” And on Monday morning, when most artists would have started to explain and blame others [eg Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction] or duck [eg Justin Timberlake, Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction], Adam did not back down. With almost no support, he defended his right to live and express himself openly.

    I have never been through anything like what Adam has been through and I am absolutely sure that I cannot imagine how much frustration, anger and even rage was unleased in that performance. But I do know one thing — every now and again a moment happens that starts out as something small and seemingly insignificant, but turns into something bigger. And IMHO maybe it was just time for a gay, singing, dancing ninja from Planet Fierce.

  176. why do I keep reading that Adam raced up his AMA performance for ratings? He has been in the news nonstop since AI, his album has been raved about everywhere, did very well on preorders. Adam was going to be on all the major networks to promote it this week, he DID NOT NEED BAD PUBLICITY. In my opinion he was trying to do a sexy, egy number and not to be outshined by other, more expirienced performers. He had an ok from ABC, they pimped his number on their website and throughout the show and then decided to throw him under a bus. I actually think this whole situation will hurt his sales and future career and that would be a shame because he is a great singer and performer, and in my opinion just a beautiful person. BTW, his album is holding strong at #5 and FYE(single) at #25.

  177. And they say you can’t be all things to all people. Adam certainly is managing it! … Nazi, whore, rapist, and potential political savior, all in one guy, and the guy’s a *singer,* to boot. Think about what it must be like to be trying to start your career and having *all* these different images projected on you from others. He certainly is a lightning rod. (in more ways than one, no doubt, lol.)

  178. I really feel for the guy. This will not be easy. While I find him intelligent and savvy, I don’t believe for a second that he truly anticipated the complexity of so publicly pursuing this career, his music, his art, his expression, his freedom, himself. He knew he’d push buttons, certainly, but he seems to have honestly believed that, for the most part, he could stay out of the discussion that he admittedly strives to spark. Problem is, I don’t think he can.

    Bingo! Of course he can’t. That he doesn’t recognize that fact is what I meant by his immaturity. Maybe naivete would be a better word to use.

  179. I actually liked Adam’s performance on the AMAs, and support the quest for equality. But the kiss combined with his Malcolm-X type defiance seems like too much too soon. I predict his career is going to be limited to playing for the country’s West Hollywoods and the Claymate-type Glamberts until pop culture can absorb the shifts. He’s already pissed off two networks and radio’s not playing him. Nobody can survive without media support.

    Unfortunate because in the meantime we’re going to have to hear Gene Simmons ad nauseum saying, “I told you so.”

    It wasn’t just the AMAs though. His recording voice sounded surprisingly bland, and his songs weren’t that commercial. Maybe after the initial rush of Glambert purchases he was never going to sell that many more anyways. I actually preferred Take One to FYE.

  180. Adam, thanks everyone for keeping his name out there, regardless ifs its negative or positive. In showbiz that is the name of the game. Curosity is a strong desire in human nature and leads to checking out what all the fuss is about. Adam owes a debt of thanks to ABC for creating the fuss that has lead to massive media coverage now for 5 days straight. I don’t in the slightest believe that RCA is trying to convert conservative rural America. The overseas market is where Adam will be marketed. If he sells 200,000 albums at $16. 99, well you do the math and that is the deluxe which has been in the top itunes and also Amazon top 10. His video and band shows RCAs/19 support. Neither came cheap Adam said in an interview that Simon Fuller was looking into overseas tour during the Idol tour. From his rankings overseas, this has been the plan since day one. Oh, Adam is a smart cookie and when all is said and done, Adam is the master at grabbing the headlines and is laughing all the way to the bank. AMAs planned or not? only Adam knows and the general public will go on guessing and talking and talking.
    JMHO

  181. In my opinion he was trying to do a sexy, egy number and not to be outshined by other, more expirienced performers.

    Bingo. Plus, given the way they promoted him, I pretty much think that ABC probably suggested that he do a sexy song and not some kind of empowerment ballad or something.

  182. Bingo! Of course he can’t. That he doesn’t recognize that fact is what I meant by his immaturity. Maybe naivete would be a better word to use.

    I completely agree with you.

    He is a bit of a prodigy, though, you know, and I’ve noticed that prodigies of my acquaintance are often a lot slower than other intelligent people to figure out political, ethical stuff and stuff about how they fit into the world of others, etc. Prodigies can get so obsessed by developing and exercising their particular talents that it can kind of blind them to the bigger picture and the real world longer, it’s seemed to me. ….

    Anyway, as I’ve said, I’m hoping that naivete is more the word, and that, now that all this stuff is happening to Adam and he’s possibly talking with people beyond his bubble of other wildly striving entertainers, he begins to understand his place in history a little more deeply. And I do think that that may happen (although starting a music career and being treated like a star will be an addition, and maybe even more distorting, distraction, I admit.)

  183. I have never been through anything like what Adam has been through and I am absolutely sure that I cannot imagine how much frustration, anger and even rage was unleased in that performance

    The unleashed anger and rage is what I objected to in that performance. Not the kiss, but the forcefulness of it. Not the dancer being close to his crotch, but the taking of the dancer’s head and bringing it closer in such a controlling manner and with such an angry look on Adams face. This looked to be for Adam’s entertainment, not for our entertainment. Had the live performance been like the mv, all would have been fine. I think he crossed the line when he mixed anger/rage with sex.

  184. To me there was a clear double standard in the way the AMA\GMA thing was handled (and the Chris Brown thing has only cemented it) and I fully support Adams right to stick up for himself. This does not invalidate his stance as someone not explicity political, but simply is his right as a human being. Again it was the actions of ABC and then CBS that have moved the story forward. Adam has simply refused to apologise for his performance while owning up to the fact that it was sub-par vocally. Hes also called both networks out on the double standard which is an incredibly brave thing for a new artist to do. People have already speculated that it may harm his chances to appear on these networks in the future. So yeah I think hes trying to follow a difficult path with a high level of integrity. The fact that he refuses to be safe or contained in any boxes that anyone may come up with (including myself) makes it all the harder. We’re all in new territory here but as people have said this is a discussion that needs to happen and hoping it will ‘go away’ is counterproductive.

  185. I’m just way too old, because all of this has happened before, many times. An Artist is attacked for going outside of the moralistic and socially accepted code that permeates our society. And the people that find offense are almost always the most vocal…it’s much easier to sling arrows. And those who are not offended usually keep silent, because speaking out just opens them up to the same shit that is thrown at the Artist.

    But those who aren’t offended or that think an Artist has a right to express themselves always seem to get back at the oppressors. It’s fairly simple….just financially support the guy who is getting all the grief. And eventually the moralistic screamers just fade away…’cause you can’t argue with money and success.

    This may be pretty damn simplistic…but it is what happens!

    And…I find it interesting that to look on I-tunes and the top sellers you have a woman who smashes whiskey bottles and identifies herself as bi, another who sings about suicide and bondage and has every song on her album defined as explicit, and a guy who has tried to screw every star in Hollywood and then loves to talk about it. Then mixed in you have the “sob story” cat lady, a beautiful Christmas album, and a soundtrack from two tweeny bopper shows: Twilight and Glee.

    We are a diverse country and their really is room for all of us.

  186. Does anyone have a direct link to the petition? I’m having trouble finding it.

    http://www.petitiononline.com/FabAdamL/petition.html

    Just click SIGN THE PETITION at the top

    From that petition:

    ABC censored the kiss during the broadcast by quickly cutting away to a wide shot and subsequently edited the crotch nuzzling completely out of the east coast broadcast.

    A,) The kiss was on a wide shot from the beginning, there was no “cutting away.” Even if there had been, that’s a decision made by the director in the booth at the AMA’s, and the complaints would properly go to him and not ABC.

    B.) “. . .completely taken out of the east coast broadcast” is wrong, they meant to say west coast.

    I’d like to send a message to ABC and to Lambert’s critics. Let’s flood ABC’s website with notes of protest for censoring Lambert.

    The problem I have with this petition is that it focuses solely on the “censorship” he supposedly suffered at the AMA’s, and doesn’t even mention the GMA cancellation, which is the only bone of contention I have with ABC. Therefore I won’t sign it.

  187. Reminder:

    Tired of people ignoring my modding.

    BTW. This blog belongs to everybody. NOT to one fan group and NOT to one clique of posters.

    JUST so you know..

  188. Ok, I’m about to open the thread back up:

    Please don’t talk about the blog on the blog. Please don’t complain about the tone of the threads or your fellow posters. Please stick to the topic.

  189. Adam was not scheduled to perform the same song on the GMA concert. He was scheduled to perform ‘Whataya Want From Me’  and ‘Music Again’ .

    Are you sure about that Q3? He was going to have four dancers with him. I thought he was scheduled to perform a scaled-down version of FYE, which was one of the reasons for GMA’s trepidation.

  190. And the people that find offense are almost always the most vocal’ ¦it’s much easier to sling arrows. And those who are not offended usually keep silent, because speaking out just opens them up to the same shit that is thrown at the Artist.

    LOL I don’t see this at all. Those who were not offended, i.e. the fans and the defenders, both here and in the media, have been heard from at length. I haven’t seen the fans or Adam’s defenders keeping silent. I think all sides on this issue have had their say, for several days now. Just as you are speaking your mind in this post, the non-offended have been speaking their minds for days now, and have certainly not been afraid to speak.

  191. will
    11/27/2009 at 5:06 pm

    Adam was not scheduled to perform the same song on the GMA concert. He was scheduled to perform ‘Whataya Want From Me’  and ‘Music Again’ .

    Are you sure about that Q3? He was going to have four dancers with him. I thought he was scheduled to perform a scaled-down version of FYE, which was one of the reasons for GMA’s trepidation.

    From what I read, he was always scheduled to do 3 songs on GMA. So presumably one might have been FYE, and the use of dancers.

  192. The problem I have with this petition is that it focuses solely on the ‘censorship’  he supposedly suffered at the AMA’s, and doesn’t even mention the GMA cancellation, which is the only bone of contention I have with ABC. Therefore I won’t sign it.

    The problem with the petition is that it’s kind of ridiculous (along with all of the erroneous information it imparts as you pointed out). ABC is not going to give a shit about petition with 2,000 signatures. Petitions in general rarely have any effect.

    Also, whether or not anyone agrees with ABC’s programming decisions, I think it is somewhat ludicrous to try and paint them as the network of homophobia. Every Sunday, at 10:00 pm, they air a show with central characters in a gay marriage. They’re not token characters either. They’re a part of the family and a part of the story every week. They have a relationship that’s as fleshed out as a tv drama relationship can get, and they kiss. Often. They’ve been in romantic situations and intimate embraces, and they’ve shown them in the same bed.

    That’s a lot more than other network tv shows have been known to show of gay partners. So, I’m just not buying that ABC is making programing decisions based on their latent homophobia.

    ABC got pissed at Adam for going off script. So, they decided to give the new guy a smack upside the head to show him who’s boss. Adam learned a lesson, and got a great opportunity out of it with CBS. ABC got to send all of the performers in Hollywood the silent message that if you fuck with them, their will be consequences.

    I’m sure the ABC suits have all moved on from this. And, there’s no way to undo it. So, I don’t understand what a petition is supposed to do here.

  193. To me there was a clear double standard in the way the AMAGMA thing was handled (and the Chris Brown thing has only cemented it) and I fully support Adams right to stick up for himself.

    Clearly what happened will be viewed in very different ways by different people. I think that Adam has been devious and has conned people by making this into a discrimination issue. He’s very clever at manipulating the media and viewers. I think his gifts are many and they include not just singing and performing, but conning and manipulating. I can hardly stand the smirk on his face, he is enjoying this so much. He pretty much has half the public in the palm of his hand. He orchestrated this so well, the controversy and then the cries of “discrimination” and I was disappointed that liberals like Joy Behar fell right into it. I am a liberal but not knee-jerk. I don’t get taken in by surface charm, which Adam has oodles of.

    I really think that Adam’s character will show itself over time. The emperor perhaps has no clothes, but time will tell.

  194. The cancellation of Adam by ABC for GMA is just funny to me. First the cow is already out of the barn door…you can’t close it after the fact.

    And, less anyone be confused, I don’t think the AMAs and Dick Clark productions have said anything to Adam…the only ones making the flak are ABC. So I don’t think New Years will be hurt unless ABC tells Dick Clark productions that they won’t air the entire night if Adam is included.

    Now because ABC is GMA they had some clout there. But I think it would have been a lot simpler to move Adam from the stage set-up to the studio, get rid of the production numbers, and just have him sing. They could have even cut the interview to a nice “how are you” and leave it at that. So ABC really ran with everything, not Adam, and all of the resulting bru-ha-ha is totally on their shoulders.

  195. oceana
    11/27/2009 at 5:09 pm

    I was not talking about the blog…I was referring to what happens in “real life”.

  196. Tess – in the real world then, I see many people championing Adam and rallying for him and free speech. I don’t see them cowering and afraid to speak up. Those who want free speech at any cost are always quite loud and tend to drown out those who would like to see some responsibility and accountability for the negativity being spewed into our culture. Adam’s AMA performance just contributed one more drop into that ocean. But it’s not about an artist being shushed. It’s about a con artist pushing the limits deliberately to shock and get himself noticed, then screaming “discrimination” and finally sitting back and laughing as people rush to defend him. Adam wasn’t discriminated against.

    An artist …. no. He’s a man on a mission, with an agenda, and that agenda is to get to the top fast, give the world the finger, tell everyone they don’t get it if they don’t fall under his spell, and use people to make himself famous. And he’s doing a good job so far.

    I’m just waiting to see how many more women he describes as “unclean” and “smelly” before some become disenchanted with him. He’s giving a lot of clues about the kind of person he is, but they are often explained away.

  197. “Adam was not scheduled to perform the same song on the GMA concert. He was scheduled to perform ‘Whataya Want From Me’  and ‘Music Again’ .”

    Q3: Is this fact or your opinion? Why would his dancers tweet that they were sent home from NYC after the GMA appearance was cancelled? What is your source that he was not scheduled to perform FYE?

  198. Clearly what happened will be viewed in very different ways by different people. I think that Adam has been devious and has conned people by making this into a discrimination issue. He’s very clever at manipulating the media and viewers. I think his gifts are many and they include not just singing and performing, but conning and manipulating. I can hardly stand the smirk on his face, he is enjoying this so much. He pretty much has half the public in the palm of his hand. He orchestrated this so well, the controversy and then the cries of ‘discrimination’  and I was disappointed that liberals like Joy Behar fell right into it. I am a liberal but not knee-jerk. I don’t get taken in by surface charm, which Adam has oodles of.

    I really think that Adam’s character will show itself over time. The emperor perhaps has no clothes, but time will tell.

    I don’t see anything that you claim to be so obvious at all, oh and I am a liberal but not knee-jerk either. but as you say different views by different people. I am not going to claim that someone is take in by surface charm because they don’t agree with my view. Maybe they see something that I don’t and aren’t being swayed by personal views that take them in.

    I do agree with you that time will tell, but the only thing it will tell is if Adam connects to a market that likes his music, I don’t think it will ever tell us that his is as insidious as you claim him to be. I personally don’t think Adam is that powerful. I think he is just a great singer and performer who is trying to find his place who will make decisions that will not please everyone including myself. But don’t we all do that in our lives. I know I have made many choices that many did not agree with and some thought would down right leave me homeless and penniless, I am happy to report I survived and doing well.

  199. On the Idol Website, each contestant had a profile that included the question ‘Who is Your Hero?’  Adam’s answer was Harvey Milk.

    Of course, the exactly right politically correct answer to give.

    If Adam really cared about gay rights, why was his AMA performance so aggressive and angry? It seems he wants to champion s&m rights, not gay rights. That was an s&m performance more than it was a gay performance. I think many people reacted to the aggression, not the gayness.

    Bottom line, he was deceitful with ABC, and they were right to cancel his appearance on GMA. They had every right to do it. He misled them and he claimed he couldn’t control himself on live tv. He’s a loose cannon if one believes that he lost control and forgot the cameras were there (which I don’t believe).

    The Chris Rock appearance was used to whip people into a fever about discrimination and gay rights. When Chris had been scheduled to appear and answer Rhianna’s statements about him made the previous week.

    Gay rights is an important cause. But Adam is not my idea of a gay spokesman. I care deeply about gay rights, but I don’t care about Adam’s right to shock people on tv and then get lots of attention for it.

  200. Occasional poster here. Here’s my take on the whole thing:

    This subject has been talked to death, but I guess no one is going to agree, so we are going to keep talking about it until the next big thing happens (maybe Kris will leave his wife and proclaim that he too is actually gay and we can all move on).

    I’m 26 years old and I feel like maybe my generation is a bit more desensitized to this whole thing than some older generations (not everyone of course, but in general). Was I a bit shocked by the whole thing? Absolutely, but more because I felt the performance was vocally subpar and the fact that I assumed the performance would cause tons of controversy, which it obviously has.

    None of us will really know what Adam was thinking at the time, although he has pretty consistently answered the question in interviews. My take on it was that Adam wants to be a pop star. He knows what gets press and gets people talking and he went with it. Was it my favorite Adam moment? No, but it was one moment nonetheless and I honestly kind of expected something over the top going into the whole thing. I understand people who are offended by it and I understand the people who aren’t. No point in trying to change anyone’s mind.

    Now that there is a lot of backlash and media coverage, he is forced to have some kind of answer to the whole thing. I agree with many of the posters who say he can’t really win here. Right now everything he says and does will be scrutinized, and there is no way everyone will like what he says and does. People have been criticizing Adam for saying he doesn’t want to be political, but still seems to be taking a political stance. IMO he can’t discuss the issue without being political unfortunately. Gay rights is a political issue and that is what a lot of this has been turned this into. Consider the context of this interview. Though I don’t always agree with everything an artist does, it is not my life, and nothing I think can or will change what they do. Therefore, I tune in for the entertainment value of it all (no pun intended). Many people think Adam should just focus on the music. Maybe he should, but unfortunately, especially coming off of AI, that doesn’t really make you noteworthy – at least for most.

    Love him or hate him, right now Adam is definitely noteworthy. So in a way I applaud him…mission accomplished.

  201. I agree 100% with what Spense said. ABC’s move was all about being in charge. If anything, ABC, along with Disney which is related, are two of the least homophobic corporations out there. They just wanted to be able to exercise control over what goes out over their network.

  202. Will — excellent post. This comment particularly struck a chord with me:

    The problem I have with this petition is that it focuses solely on the ‘censorship’  he supposedly suffered at the AMA’s, and doesn’t even mention the GMA cancellation, which is the only bone of contention I have with ABC. Therefore I won’t sign it.

    My issue isn’t with the edit on the West Coast rebroadcast of the AMA performance, my issue is with the following three ABC actions:

    1. ABC statements that they were unaware of the content of the performance prior to broadcast, then editting only one thing that was in the dress rehearsal and reported by the AP.

    2. ABC’s cancellation of Adam’s GMA concert with a lame excuse that Adam could not be trusted to do a live performance on morning television. According to the NY Post, an ABC insiders said, ‘He was not canceled over a gay kiss. He showed himself to be unpredictable on live TV.'” The fact that there it was cancelled shortly after the Liberty Councel filed an FCC complaint against ABC for airing the AMA performance had nothing to do with it.

    3. Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

  203. On the Idol Website, each contestant had a profile that included the question ‘Who is Your Hero?’  Adam’s answer was Harvey Milk.

    Of course, the exactly right politically correct answer to give.

    OR maybe its the truth… LOL

  204. 3. Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

    I didn’t even know General Hospital was using Adam’s Mad World. Was it used as part of the theme song or something?

  205. Wow I had no idea Adam was the new Machiavelli… Boy has some mean skillz..
    And no ABC is no progressive network, as numerous posters have pointed out their support for gay characters is largely token and the presentation neutered (another poster a few days back had outlined this is detail so Im not going to rehash it). Not that they are alone in this, but their reaction was definitely prompted by fear of a backlash IMO. Their treatment of Adam was unprofessional and to me smacked of homophobia. Subsequently since they clearly have no issue with letting convicted abusers talk about decidedly non-pg rated material on a ‘family show’, I can only lose a little more faith in what America considers as acceptable messages to promote to all and sundry, including of course ‘the children’.

  206. But don’t we all do that in our lives. I know I have made many choices that many did not agree with and some thought would down right leave me homeless and penniless, I am happy to report I survived and doing well.

    We all make mistakes but we don’t all expect the world to champion us, feel sorry for us, make excuses for us and start petitions for us. I think that Adam is enjoying this so much. He has a huge grin on his face, and doesn’t look like someone who needs our pity. I think all the attention is exactly what he wanted, and he’s loving it.

  207. #
    oceana
    11/27/2009 at 5:32 pm

    Tess ‘“ in the real world then, I see many people championing Adam and rallying for him and free speech. I don’t see them cowering and afraid to speak up. Those who want free speech at any cost are always quite loud and tend to drown out those who would like to see some responsibility and accountability for the negativity being spewed into our culture. Adam’s AMA performance just contributed one more drop into that ocean. But it’s not about an artist being shushed. It’s about a con artist pushing the limits deliberately to shock and get himself noticed, then screaming ‘discrimination’  and finally sitting back and laughing as people rush to defend him. Adam wasn’t discriminated against.

    An artist ‘ ¦. no. He’s a man on a mission, with an agenda, and that agenda is to get to the top fast, give the world the finger, tell everyone they don’t get it if they don’t fall under his spell, and use people to make himself famous. And he’s doing a good job so far.

    I’m just waiting to see how many more women he describes as ‘unclean’  and ‘smelly’  before some become disenchanted with him. He’s giving a lot of clues about the kind of person he is, but they are often explained away.

    Again I don’t see anything that suggest any of what you claim Adam to be. Now if this is your opinion …. Different story…I just get by the tone and the way you write as if these are actual facts of Adam the person. I ask this as I would like to see the tape of Adam sitting back and laughing as people rush to defend him. You say Adam wasn’t discriminated against. I humbly and infaticly disagree but then again different views for different people as you yourself have stated so You see it your way and I mine.

    He is an artist..the only mission he has is to perform, sing and cut records. Now his view on what performing singing and cutting records may not be in line with what you view as the way to do it but does not make it any less so.

    Your view of how powerful he is I find truly astonishing as I am the fan and don’t think he is that powerful. I think he is just talented.

    But thank you for your slant on him. I just view it much differently and that does not make me “under his spell” because I disagree with you. I am a clear thinker able to form my own opinions. Just like it seems you are. Isn’t it a wonderful world we live in.

  208. megan McCain liked Adam’s perfomance. lol She tweeted the following:

    “Why is everyone asking me?!? But I loved Adam Lambert’s performance! So HOT! Only thing wrong w/ it I wasn’t onstage making out w/ him 2! ;-)”

  209. 3. Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

    Did this actually happen? I couldn’t find the post.

    I’m curious if there how Oprah will respond to the controversy. She will probably still have him on the show. I think she will address it but give him a pass, that’s what I think actually. She is also on ABC but I don’t think that will matter.

  210. The earliest tweet on this Fab Mag interview seems to have been posted by another Canadian GBLT media guy late Wednesday night. It’s been all over the internet ever since. Anyone’s feeling that they’re discussing this “too long” by it being Friday, is because this thread is a bit behind the internet.

    However, discussing the CBS kiss blur may stay in the public discourse as long as the Madonna/Britney kiss has, and then some. Like we’re still discussing shooting Elvis from the waist up. Showing two women kissing while blurring two men, was a media moment. Wouldn’t have mattered if Adam was involved or not. It was “double standards”. Clearly, obviously. Women kiss good, men kiss bad.

    CBS’s “blur the boys” decision – clearly not a planned part of Adam’s album debut promotion – was saying that two men kissing is indecent. Has to be blurred. It wouldn’t matter who the two men were in the picture. The “indecency” aspect, which Adam discussed with Slezak, is probably enough to make even someone like Adam, who doesn’t want to be a political activist, turn into one.

    And Adam was booked for necessary wall-to-wall interviews just like every artist hopes to have surrounding album debut. And any interviewer who didn’t ask about this media moment would have to turn in their interviewer card. And probably be fired before Adam had left the building (Boss: He was here, and you didn’t ask??? Ex-interviewer: No, thought it would get us more quotes, tweets, blog hits, and publicity if I stuck strictly to discussing music)

    Way beyond AMA’s, this is a political story now, whether Adam wants it or not.

    ABC’s ill-judged timing of promoting an appearance of a felony woman beater, because proven violence and abuse are fine with breakfast, and potential sexiness is too risky, bordered on being an SNL weekend update feature. And extended the discussion even more. Again, not really on the 19 flow chart of launch week.

    The Fab mag interview was long. After many long days of interviews for Adam. His intelligence and verbal dexterity were still impressive. Especially considering the tidal waves of things he’s juggling. Debut album, alone, would be daunting. Adam is a great interview. Every interviewer makes their delight clear about having him. His schedule – even if sang Broken Open, on an empty stage, acappella, on the AMA – would have been grueling. Yet, Adam delivered an interesting, engaging interview every time.

    edit: nice try, but NO

  211. We all make mistakes but we don’t all expect the world to champion us, feel sorry for us, make excuses for us and start petitions for us. I think that Adam is enjoying this so much. He has a huge grin on his face, and doesn’t look like someone who needs our pity. I think all the attention is exactly what he wanted, and he’s loving it.

    Please show me where Adam asked anyone to petition for him or champion for him. That would bother me too. I also would point out I do not pity him what so ever. The only part of your statement I don’t disagree with is he is enjoying the attention and is loving it, (who wouldn’t) I do think however, he would prefer it to be more about his album and his singing. But I don’t have his number to ask him directly just my opinion.

  212. Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

    Wait, they did? When did this happen?

  213. Q3: ‘Adam was not scheduled to perform the same song on the GMA concert. He was scheduled to perform ‘Whataya Want From Me’  and ‘Music Again’ .

    Eileen99 – Q3: Is this fact or your opinion? Why would his dancers tweet that they were sent home from NYC after the GMA appearance was cancelled? What is your source that he was not scheduled to perform FYE?

    A fact — as far as I can tell, two songs were rehearsed for the GMA concert and announced via Twitter — WWFM and Music Again. No other songs were mentioned. [Note: if I missed someone reliable saying that Adam was performing FYE as part of the GMA concert, please correct me. Pretty hard to prove that something doesn’t exist — but I can’t find it.]

    Also one on the 4 dancers who were flown back to LA tweeted that they weren’t need because the performance was no longer taking place in a theatre on a large stage. [They got paid BTW.]

    I have no idea where the original commenter got the idea that Adam was going to perform FYE, but I gather that was an assumption.

  214. I just get by the tone and the way you write as if these are actual facts of Adam the person. I ask this as I would like to see the tape of Adam sitting back and laughing as people rush to defend him.

    Not actual facts, but my perception of Adam and how I interpret him. Just as the fans write reams about how sensitive and honest he is, as if it were fact, when it is their interpretation too. We all interpret what we see. All of us. We all see through our own prisms.

    Looking at Adam on the Early show, for one thing, I see someone who is very happy and enjoying the controversy. I don’t see a hint of sadness or discomfort. Well it’s like the elephant which five people each described differently.

  215. Please show me where Adam asked anyone to petition for him or champion for him.

    He continually says that he has been discriminated against and that his artistic rights to free self expression have been compromised. This is politicizing the AMA/GMA matter, and by someone who simultaneously claims he is not political (though he ingeniously says that Harvey Milk is his role model).

    Has he asked people not to sign the petition? Has he admitted that he misled ABC about what his performance would be? No, he takes every opportunity to talk about how his artistic rights were jeopardized and compromised, knowing this is inflammatory language, these are buzz words that will arouse gay rights activists, and give his fans something to rally around too.

    Harvey Milk championed for gay rights, in a very real way. Not by acting out aggressive sex on network tv. The issues are really getting muddied here. Adam made it into a gay cause, when it really was more about whether or not he had the right to mislead the network and act out sexual acts during prime time on national tv, and whether the network then had the right to cancel his morning appearance.

  216. Truthiness
    11/27/2009 at 6:01 pm
    Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

    Wait, they did? When did this happen?

    Switched on Thursday with no statement or comment from ABC.

  217. Yeah and I also wonder how many times he has to thank his fans/show his support to other idols/contribute to and organise charity efforts etc for people to see that beneath all the scheming and planning and mocking and laughing, hes you know, not completely evil…

  218. ETA: And I look at Letterman and see a highly charged emotional performance by someone upset at being in the middle of controversy (taped before the early show if I recall correctly) but YMMV

  219. I don’t see a hint of sadness or discomfort.

    Why should he be sad or uncomfortable? He has nothing to apologize for… and hell will freeze over before *any* artist in his right mind refuses publicity. In the week that his debut album is released.

  220. They switched to Gary Jules Mad World for General Hospital? From what I had heard, Adam’s version has been used–almost daily–for at least a month or so? This would be funny if it wasn’t so freaking sad and just bewildering. Has he suddenly been labled as some kind of sexual delinquent or predator? What a combination of silly and bizarre.

  221. Has he admitted that he misled ABC about what his performance would be?

    Um, yes, actually, on the CBS interview.

    He continually says that he has been discriminated against and that he is an artist who wants free self expression.

    He has been forced to make multiple statements on the matter, and has stated that he never set out to prove a point about discrimination.

  222. In one of the previous interviews, Adam mention he’s a singer but also has business mind. Now that he has pissed off 2 major TV networks and a lot of families with children who used to be his fans pre-AMA and who are accountable for a large share of tour tickets. I hope that whatever strategy he has had, would work, or he has to go back to the drawing board.

  223. Not actual facts, but my perception of Adam and how I interpret him. Just as the fans write reams about how sensitive and honest he is, as if it were fact, when it is their interpretation too. We all interpret what we see. All of us. We all see through our own prisms.

    Looking at Adam on the Early show, for one thing, I see someone who is very happy and enjoying the controversy. I don’t see a hint of sadness or discomfort. Well it’s like the elephant which five people each described differently. I don’t have to explain or defend my perceptions. But the fans keep trying to make it sound like I should. Why don’t the fans have to explain their perceptions? We all see it differently. Period.

    I agree with the fact that everyone is going to see things differently and although I support Adam, there’s really no point in attempting to convert everyone to view him the same way. Especially since there are some people that just downright hate him.

    Regarding the CBS show – I also think there is no sadness or regret in him about what happened at the AMA but that’s because he doesn’t think that it’s something that he should feel regretful for (neither do I). Adam’s blatant sexuality doesn’t phase me nor am I afraid it will be bad influence for my younger siblings/cousins. I might just feel uncomfortable explaining to them what’s going on but if them seeing Adam drives them to promiscuity, then the problem is their environment and within themselves. I also whole heartedly agree that Adam enjoys attention (he has said so himself and clearly his album cover screams that). But ulterior motive, I don’t see so much. But I don’t have a habit of overanalyzing people.

    Is Adam a little sensitive about discrimination and restrictions on his freedom of expression? Maybe. Am I surprised if he is? No. Given that he is gay and “in your face” personality, i would expect that discrimination is already a given.

  224. We don’t know the reason they switched from Adam’s version to Jules’ version. For all we know, AI decided they wanted a cut and GH didn’t want to pay it. It could have nothing to do with Adam’s AMA performance and the aftermath.

  225. Soap operas are taped weeks in advance. Especially before any holidays. This may, indeed, be proving, that sometimes there are coincidences.

  226. We do all realize that families with children include GAY families with children, right? Lots of children in this country have 2 moms or 2 dads.

  227. Now that he has pissed off 2 major TV networks and a lot of families with children who used to be his fans pre-AMA and who are accountable for a large share of tour tickets

    What did I miss over T-Day? What’s the 2nd network?

    And is Adam’s fanbase seriously family’s with children? Seems more like Kris’ crowd. Who knows??

  228. If Adam really cared about gay rights, why was his AMA performance so aggressive and angry?

    Well, I don’t know that it was exactly the case, but you *might* say, If he cared so much about gay rights, how could his performance have been anything *but* aggressive angry? ….

    I actually think his aggression was much more about some personal stuff going on, probably ….

    But I think that believing anger and aggression are appropriate based on where we are (or, more to the point, *aren’t*) in the gay rights struggle is just as reasonable an idea as — Well, he should have toned it down in order not to rile people up against gay rights.

    I think you could make that argment either way.

  229. CBS’s ‘blur the boys’  decision ‘“ clearly not a planned part of Adam’s album debut promotion ‘“ was saying that two men kissing is indecent. Has to be blurred. It wouldn’t matter who the two men were in the picture. The ‘indecency’  aspect, which Adam discussed with Slezak, is probably enough to make even someone like Adam, who doesn’t want to be a political activist, turn into one.

    I agree that even if you want to argue they did some of this deliberately (which I’m not sure I believe), there are other things going on that there is no way they could have planned – the CBS blur being one of them. Once the “scandal” takes off it runs a course of it’s own choosing.

    Adam is in one helluva jam no matter what he does. If he does anything sexual he’s accused of using his sexuality but if he didn’t do anything sexual some would probably accuse him of being ashamed of it. Too gay, not gay enough, kissing a girl, they’ll say it’s a cop-out, kissing a guy, they’ll say it’s indecent. It’s like navigating a minefield and it’s interesting to watch him try.

  230. Switched on Thursday with no statement or comment from ABC.

    To be honest, I am glad they did that. ABC is not backing down to the pressure on all sides or the claims that they cancelled Adam’s GMA appearance because he is gay or had a gay kiss on tv. I’m glad they are not backing down because I think the accusations don’t hold water.

    ABC knew that Adam was openly gay and not shy about it when they scheduled him to appear on the AMAs and on GMA. They obviously had no problem with it. They also knew his performance would be sexual and edgy.

    But it went beyond what they were led to believe it would be. And they were angry, apparently. To me, they had a right to be, and a right to cancel his next appearance.

    I feel that Adam has encouraged people to muddy the waters with his cries of artistic freedom and gay discrimination and male discrimination. It seems clear to me that he knows that many people in the larger public will automatically respond to such cries of discrimination.

    Hey, it worked. He’s getting the sympathy and people are starting petitions and jumping on the discrimination bandwagon. But even a liberal show like NPR questioned why he wasn’t honest with ABC in the first place. (Oh wait, he forgot the cameras were on, okay.)

    How can ABC’s actions be about Adam being gay? I don’t see it. I’m just going to agree to disagree and not keep going over it. I had my say. And thanks to mj for letting us do that.

  231. Lots of children in this country have 2 moms or 2 dads.

    But only the moms are allowed to kiss spontaneously before breakfast. The dads have to wait for primetime. And it can’t be “in the moment”. It has to be scripted. And no music playing.

  232. Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

    Wait, they did? When did this happen?

    Switched on Thursday with no statement or comment from ABC.

    What? How childish & vindictive can ABC be? I hope the media picks up on this because it makes ABC look even more ridiculous than they did after the GMA debacle.

    Where does this mess end? The hate & discrimination being directed at Adam just make me physically ill. He must be one hellava strong person to stand up to all this and not cave.

  233. Looking at Adam on the Early show, for one thing, I see someone who is very happy and enjoying the controversy. I don’t see a hint of sadness or discomfort

    .

    I dont know if he’s enjoying the controversy as much as riding the storm the best way he knows how…just the way I see it anyways. Is he supposed to be crying or something?

    And since he has nothing to be sad or uncomfortable about I would expect him to be happy in his week’s release and all that’s going on in a great week for him,(newcomer releasing an album etc) which is all i see here.

  234. But only the moms are allowed to kiss spontaneously before breakfast. The dads have to wait for primetime. And it can’t be ‘in the moment’ . It has to be scripted. And no music playing.

    Classic.

  235. The Chris Rock appearance was used to whip people into a fever about discrimination and gay rights. When Chris had been scheduled to appear and answer Rhianna’s statements about him made the previous week.

    Well, this *really* threw me … But then I realized, Oh, it’s a typo! It was supposed to be Chris *Brown.*

    Anyway, I kind of enjoyed the laugh I got out of wondering what Chris Rock had to answer for with Rhianna! Come to think of it, I like Chris Rock coming into this whole conversation. Now there’s a guy who’s quite the effective rabble rouser! I’m sure he’d have something very interesting to say about all of this, lol.

  236. A man kisses another man, puts a guys head in his crotch (while both are fully clothed), and simulates various other LEGAL acts with a sexual connotation while performing during adult viewing time on an otherwise pretty racy awards show known for controversial moments – and collective heads explode in both defense of and indignation about.

    What Adam did or didn’t mean, why he did or didn’t do it, how he did or didn’t think it would play – meh whatever. Only he knows and you can choose to believe his responses or not – the rest is just noise.

    I am more interested in what the reaction and overkill coverage says about the rest of us (and I mean the big us not the us of people on this blog) …

    edit: deleted ot lecturing

    I did love that the interviewer here was totally in my mind with his comment that he hopes Adam doesn’t apologize. He has nothing to apologize for (well except as he said the bum notes here and there).

  237. What did I miss over T-Day? What’s the 2nd network?

    My guess would be they are referring to CBS. I think it’s pretty funny that CBS gave Adam extraordinary freedom on their show, he got much air time, he got to address his concerns in interview and in q&a session, he got to sing two entire songs, and all of this put together in 1-2 days, most impressive. His fans and supporters should be grateful, seemed to me. Instead, CBS is being attacked for being discriminatory, just like ABC is.

    So yes, I think any network might be wary of getting involved with Adam, as he’s liable to bite the hand that feeds him and cry “discrimination” if everything isn’t 100% perfectly executed. If he doesn’t cry discrimination, others will do so on his behalf now.

    I’m sure they want the ratings he brings, but I’m not sure they’ll all feel like the angst and controversy are worth the ratings.

  238. Switched on Thursday with no statement or comment from ABC.

    Thursday was Thanksgiving and was a repeat of the show, if I recall my soap watching days.

  239. Well, this *really* threw me ‘ ¦ But then I realized, Oh, it’s a typo! It was supposed to be Chris *Brown.*

    Oops, yes I got the names wrong.

  240. But it went beyond what they were led to believe it would be. And they were angry, apparently. To me, they had a right to be, and a right to cancel his next appearance.

    Well… the broadcast was on delay, so if they really wanted I guess they could have edited stuff out.

  241. “””He’s giving a lot of clues about the kind of person he is, but they are often explained away. “””

    I was so going to stay away – but – the kind of person he is, is, human – with all that that entails. Good days, bad days, girls are smelly days, girls are pretty days, sad days, happy days, right days and wrong – he is a human being with a beautiful voice that no one owns the right to and he doesnt owe us anything. If we like him we can enjoy his beautiful voice, if we dont, switch the channel or look away – sigh

  242. If Adam really cared about gay rights, why was his AMA performance so aggressive and angry?

    I at first thought that he seem angry but now I think it was more nerves and adrenaline that got the best of him. Also the fall. I think he wanted to act cool but it came across as aggressive and angry. As much as I hate to admit it he tried too hard. He was a baby shark trying to be a great white. Because I have seen and heard him and know how good he really is the performance was that much more sub par. His vocals were off (though the last note run was off the hook) By the way his performance was his performance I don’t think gay rights played a part in it in anyway as well as it shouldn’t have.

  243. Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

    I didn’t know they did that. Obviously, that has nothing to do with Adam potentially being unpredictable on GMA. That’s just trying to make a statement.

  244. Has he admitted that he misled ABC about what his performance would be?

    Um, yes, actually, on the CBS interview.

    Not true, you should go back and listen to it again. He explained that he was supposed to make a suggestive move with the dancer and Tommy, and got carried away during the show. Also, for the record, I don’t think that those two moves in question were the worst in the routine, and ABC was ok with the rest of it which to me was just as racy, or even more?

  245. I think it’s great that Adam isn’t a sheep.

    I also think the statement he has made many times, “I respect their decision, they did what they thought they had to do”, is gracious. I don’t know many who would be that generous in this situation.

    He also has his opinion and he stated it.

    In 10 years this controversy will be laughed at just like Elvis being shot from the waist up, married couples only shown sleeping in twin beds, the word “pregnant” being banned from being said on t.v., boys being suspended from school for wearing their hair like the Beatles, record burning because if you play it backwards it says “Worship Satan”, Jim Morrison singing “baby we can get much higher” after the network insisted he sing a different line,

    This too shall pass.

  246. He was a baby shark trying to be a great white.

    Yep, that’s what I think, too. Well put.

  247. So yes, I think any network might be wary of getting involved with Adam, as he’s liable to bite the hand that feeds him and cry ‘discrimination’  if everything isn’t 100% perfectly executed. If he doesn’t cry discrimination, others will do so on his behalf now.

    I would just like to point out that he is on Barbara Walters 10 most Fascinating People of 2009 which is on ABC and is not being pulled or his segment is not being deleted. So I think people are reading more into some of ABC and CBS’s decisions then what is really the case.

  248. Lots of children in this country have 2 moms or 2 dads.

    But only the moms are allowed to kiss spontaneously before breakfast. The dads have to wait for primetime. And it can’t be ‘in the moment’ . It has to be scripted. And no music playing.

    That was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh! :)

    I’m sure they want the ratings he brings, but I’m not sure they’ll all feel like the angst and controversy are worth the ratings.

    What angst?? LOL Adam can’t control how others feel or react to things. But through all of these interviews this week, he hasn’t been angry at all. In fact, he stated he understands ABC’s decision and doesn’t take it personally.

  249. raka, of course, how could I have forgotten that arrogant (and possibly pre-meditated publicity stunt) refusal to not allow himself to be groped, stroked, kissed, fondled and oogled for several hours every night, no matter what his health, the ruination of his sanity & eardrums, or that doing so might have insured the back half of the tour never got to see him perform because he would have been in the hospital. Selfish, selfish, selfish.

    I should have remembered that couple days ago when seeing the video of the beefy security guys having to hustle him into the MTV building through the screaming throng.

    OTOH, if he had let everyone of those women reaching out to hug him outside at the end of the Early Show, would that have been not gay enough? Aaron Hicklin might have tweeted on the spot. But there was that guy there who had had his hair cut just like Adam. If Adam had hugged him, since it was morning, would that have been just plain too gay? Would they blur gay hugging? Or, if it’s closer to 9 than 7 would that have been okay?

  250. He was a baby shark trying to be a great white.

    Yup, and he probably realized, watching Gaga, what a great white really looks like! :grin:

  251. I would just like to point out that he is on Barbara Walters 10 most Fascinating People of 2009 which is on ABC and is not being pulled or his segment is not being deleted. So I think people are reading more into some of ABC and CBS’s decisions then what is really the case.

    Yup. That always ends up being the case.

  252. He was a baby shark trying to be a great white.

    Yup, and he probably realized, watching Gaga, what a great white really looks like! :grin:

    Adam has something to aspire to!!

  253. I am thisclose to closing this thread for good. And don’t even try to move the convo anywhere else.

    STOP talking about the blog. STOP questioning the motives of posters. STOP with the angry and defensive posts.

  254. I did love that the interviewer here was totally in my mind with his comment that he hopes Adam doesn’t apologize. He has nothing to apologize for (well except as he said the bum notes here and there).

    Yep, the bad singing was what got to me, but aside from that, he has nothing to apologise for.

    I’m sure he’d sooner have this over and done with, but while its on discussion he will ahve his say, and why shouldnt he.

    The very idea that his own defense or comments is whipping up nationalist sentiment and petitions for his own gain is what I find hilarious. Maybe people are championing the cause because they agree with him because perhaps he has a point? and they’ve identified it? It’s not that everyone is sheep who just becomes a pawn in Lambert’s grand designs for stardom,based on a few interviews…I’m sure most people can actually think for themselves,lol

    BTW, I think the petition is a tad unfortunate …to what gain?Why balloon this further?

  255. Where does this mess end? The hate & discrimination being directed at Adam just make me physically ill. He must be one hellava strong person to stand up to all this and not cave.

    I don’t feel sorry for Adam. I don’t think he is a victim of hate and discrimination, at least not in this AMA/GMA matter. Well wait, there are surely homophobics who have dumped on him on message boards and comments on blogs, though I mostly only read here and can only guess. However he is getting a lot of support, and so many good things are happening to him, I don’t think he has to be unusually strong to handle the bad with the good right now.

  256. Adam’s a controversial person and as fans – I totally expect that. But then again, it takes 2 hands to clap. People speaking out and hating against Adam is kinda ‘working in Adam’s ulterior motive of controlling the world’ (assuming that that’s his motive).

    It’s not that he’s not thankful toward CBS, he just pointed out that there is a double standard which I agree that there is. I don’t think he’s necessarily biting the hand that fed him, but I also think it’s reasonable he pointed out somethings that he finds unjustified. He didn’t condemn CBS if I’m correct. He just pointed out that: CBS didn’t think that 2 guys kissing was ok to show people. Male on male oral sex shouldn’t be shown (stripping acts and female sexuality are a-ok though!). Just like how he pointed out Bill O’Riley blurred his kissing pictures. Adam has also mentioned how he is grateful for his musical theatre background etc, but he has also mentioned that sometimes he was censored for being ‘too gay’. Is he being an ingrate then? YMMV

  257. All speculation, but it must have been pretty awful to fall (a pretty massive fall, although he recovered well) in front of your peers your first time out when you are dressed so fierce and trying to so hard to be cool. He may have been overcompensating in order to get his confidence back. Poor Adam, that performance was kind of a train wreck on a number of different levels.

    It will blow over.

  258. Just when I couldn’t get any more disappointed with ABC, they pull his version of Mad World??? Makes me very sad.

    I agree with many posters who say Adam will have a very difficult road to navigate with all of the expectations, misunderstanding, and hate from every “community.” I have noticed that even his iTunes album ratings are full of tons of ratings not of the album at all, but spewing hate, and this really angers me.

    I was disappointed in his AMA performance because the vocals weren’t great and I know that bothers him. I also noticed (watched it live as I was there) that there seemed to be an angry edge to the performance and my interpretation is that there were nerves and pressure involved (so much pimping, so many other “edgy” performances before him to live up to, the whole OUT editor letter). Other than those disappointments, I LOVED the performance. Ballsy, campy, sexy (the kiss was hot) and over the top.

    Q3 – loved one of your longer posts upthread and wish your viewpoint could be widely distributed. I am not an AI watcher at all, loved Adam from the first moment I saw him (rock night) and have only come to love and respect him more for being true to himself, and for so many other reasons. Love his album, loved the Fab interview and I hope there is a tour that I can attend.

  259. I don’t think he’s necessarily biting the hand that fed him, but I also think it’s reasonable he pointed out somethings that he finds unjustified. He didn’t condemn CBS if I’m correct.

    Plus, he’s just responding to questions people are asking – they are asking him to comment on the blurring. What’s he supposed to say, “no comment?”

  260. Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

    If this is true it’s pretty silly. Does ABC think that the old ladies who watch G.H. will even know the difference?

    It’s a Mad World indeed.

    P.S. I’m old but wouldn’t be caught dead watching that show. The only person I know who watches it is even older than me, now that’s old!

  261. Um, no, actually, you should go back and listen to it again. He explained that he was supposed to make a suggestive move with the dancer and Tommy, and got carried away during the show. Also, for the record, I don’t think that those two moves in question were the worst in the routine, and ABC was ok with the rest of it which to me was just as racy, or even more?

    I think I saw a different interview (it may have been the Jim C interview instead but I did think it was the CBS Early show) because he did say when asked about it “to be fair the produces of the show where not aware of what was going to happen.” He said he even wasn’t as it was in the moment. He added, after the interviewer asked about the rehearsal footage taping that showed some of the movements being in there, that some of the moves where suggested in the rehearsals and he took it further on the live broadcast. Also people please be aware that there is a delay and they could very much have panned away from all of the shots instead of zooming in on them. That is actually the real complaint by the PTC who filed to the FCC.

  262. Heh a baby shark is a perfect description I think…and he has SO much potential to grow into :)

  263. He continually says that he has been discriminated against and that he is an artist who wants free self expression. This is politicizing the AMA/GMA matter, and by someone who simultaneously claims he is not political (though he ingeniously says that Harvey Milk is his role model).

    Has he asked people not to sign the petition? Has he admitted that he misled ABC about what his performance would be? No, he takes every opportunity to talk about how his artistic rights were jeopardized and compromised, knowing this is inflammatory language, these are buzz words that will arouse gay rights activists, and give his fans something to rally around too.

    Harvey Milk championed for gay rights, in a very real way. Not by acting out aggressive sex on network tv. The issues are really getting muddied here. Adam made it into a gay cause, when it really was more about whether or not he had the right to mislead the network and act out sexual acts during prime time on national tv, and whether the network then had the right to cancel his morning appearance.

    Wow — where is all this from?

    1. “He continually says that he has been discriminated against and that he is an artist who wants free self expression.”

    Where did Adam say this? Prior to the AMA performance, I never recall ever seeing Adam say he was discriminated against. And, after the AMA, I think he was justified to question the disparate treatment his performance received vs. female artists.

    2. “simultaneously claims he is not political (though he ingeniously says that Harvey Milk is his role model).”

    Not true; Adam has said that his role models are Bowie, Freddy Mercury, Madonna and Prince. He also cites the movie “Velvet Goldmine” as being very influential. He has consistently said that he is not political and does not want to be involved in politics at the point in his career. He just wants to be a singer and entertainer.

    An example, 11/20/09, USA Today, Adam Lambert interview:
    Lambert says he was unprepared for public scrutiny and constant speculation. Nor was he eager to be a role model. “I don’t want to be a gay poster child, but I am by default, because there aren’t that many,” he says. “Like it or not, it’s projected on me. I’m not saying, ‘Do what I do.’ I say, ‘Do what you do.’ ”

    3. “Has he asked people not to sign the petition? Has he admitted that he misled ABC about what his performance would be? No, he takes every opportunity to talk about how his artistic rights were jeopardized and compromised, knowing this is inflammatory language, these are buzz words that will arouse gay rights activists, and give his fans something to rally around too.”

    Does Adam know there is a petition? Did he mislead ABC?

    Adam has never tried to “arouse gay rights activists”. Adam has been attached by gay rights activists for not actively supporting political caused. Out Magazines Editor-in-Chief, Aaron Hicklin, attacked Adam for just that in his “Open Letter”.

    4. “Adam made it into a gay cause”

    Adam did not make this into a “gay cause”. Adam is an openly gay man who produced a really good album and once to be a pop star. He is the first openly gay artist to get a major label contract in US history.

    If ABC, Dick Clark Productions and CBS, had acted fairly and consistently, then this would not be any kind of cause. But 1. ABC promoted Adam “shocking” performance — they knew what was in that performance. 2. At least Dick Clark Productions, and probably ABC, knew that the brief oral sex image was in the performance, because it was part of the rehearsal [see below]. 3. CBS was foolish to blur the Adam-Tommy Joe kiss photo. 4. ABC affiliates broadcast the “offensive” portions of the FYE performance on two different Entertainment shows at 6:30PM and 7:00PM. IMO it was the actions that happened after the performance that made this a big deal, and not the performance itself.

    5. …when it really was more about whether or not he had the right to mislead the network and act out sexual acts during prime time on national tv, and whether the network then had the right to cancel his morning appearance.

    Adam never questioned the network’s right to cancel his GMA concert. In fact he specifically said:

    ‘I think ABC had to make a decision. I respect their decision. There’s probably a lot inter-politics going on that I don’t know about,’  Adam told Access following his appearance on CBS’s ‘The Early Show’  Wednesday morning.

    ‘All that matters to me is that the fans got a show,’  the headline-making singer continued. ‘And ‘GMA’ made the decision that they made and that’s fine.’ 

    Adam explained that following ‘GMA’s’  cancellation, he wanted to make sure that people who had made the trek to see him in the Big Apple got what they came for.

    ‘Luckily, here on ‘The Early Show,’ they were able to accommodate me last minute,’  Adam told Access. ‘And the fans that traveled here to New York to see me perform got a show today, so yeah, that’s what matters.’ 

    What exactly did Adam do to mislead ABC? From the Associated Press:

    ABC said it felt burned because Lambert went further on the air with sexuality than he did in rehearsals ‘” including the kiss. But the man putting his face to Lambert’s crotch was included in a rehearsal, according to an Associated Press reporter who attended the rehearsal. It was that sort of unpredictability that bothered ABC, particularly on a morning show with many young viewers watching.

    I do not have a problem with people criticizing Adam, or if people want to say that they were offended by the performance, or even just don’t like him. But, I do have a problem with incorrect facts.

  264. How did the sleuthing go truthiness? Was GH a rerun?

    It was a rerun.

  265. We do all realize that families with children include GAY families with children, right? Lots of children in this country have 2 moms or 2 dads.

    Of course, and some of them might be offended by the performance too. Again, for many people it was not about gay, it was about aggression and inappropriateness. Which is of course in the eye of the beholder. But not all gay people are fine with anything that’s gay, just like not all black people are fans of rap and gangsta music.

  266. because he did say when asked about it ‘to be fair the produces of the show where not aware of what was going to happen.’ 

    Yes and he also said in the CBS interview that he would try in the future to be more careful to let the network know what was going to happen in advance. To show it all in the rehearsal. Clearly he admitted that the network was not fully informed of what would happen. That’s why he claimed to have lost control and forgot there was a camera and etc. etc.

  267. The Fab Magazine interviewer said he would ask questions that no one else has asked. Well, he asked the same old stuff. Not a good interview at all. Adam was great…the interviewer sucked. Didn’t hear anything I haven’t heard before.

  268. Truthiness
    11/27/2009 at 6:38 pm
    Switched on Thursday with no statement or comment from ABC.

    Thursday was Thanksgiving and was a repeat of the show, if I recall my soap watching days.

    The change was posted on Soap Opera Network in the GH section yesterday. But I don’t think there are new GH shows until next week. But I am not an expert on soaps.

    ETA: As far as I can tell, it has never aired with a Gary Jules version.

  269. It will blow over.

    For Adam, it seems already did. He looked pretty at ease and confident on CBS show. Honestly I’m really impressed by how calm and collected he’s been after AMA.

  270. Personally I think that ABC knew that the guy’s head was gonna linger near Adam’s crouch but that Adam did not grab his head during the rehearsal and, from want of a better way to say it, shove it crotchward. But of course I wasn’t there so I really don’t know or even care any more. In retrospect it seems like much ado about (practically) nothing.

  271. ABC said it felt burned because Lambert went further on the air with sexuality than he did in rehearsals ‘” including the kiss. But the man putting his face to Lambert’s crotch was included in a rehearsal, according to an Associated Press reporter who attended the rehearsal. It was that sort of unpredictability that bothered ABC, particularly on a morning show with many young viewers watching.

    ABC isn’t lying when they say that Adam wen further with the sexuality on the air than he did in rehearsals.

    Adam has admitted, in several interviews, (including the one from Fab) that he took that face in the crotch move further live on the GMA’s than he did in rehearsal.

  272. I bet he has one pa just to keep track of them all’ ¦

    I believe you’re right, raka. Pretty sure Hicklin lined up a bunch of Certified Gay (TM Slezak) Guys for Adam to evaluate for that position. (What with his current assistant being a Barbie and all.) The new guy carries around the GayWay-o-meter, that reads from “Advancing the Cause” to “Not Political or Pre-Meditated Enough” guiding what Adam will do next. Will prevent any further fabby, unretaliatory, unflaming remarks like saying about ABC, “I respect their decision”.

  273. Reminder:

    By the way…If I put you in moderation? And you sign up again? I’ll figure it out.

  274. All speculation, but it must have been pretty awful to fall (a pretty massive fall, although he recovered well) in front of your peers your first time out when you are dressed so fierce and trying to so hard to be cool. He may have been overcompensating in order to get his confidence back. Poor Adam, that performance was kind of a train wreck on a number of different levels.

    It will blow over.

    So true. And what’s more, the way he’s handled everything since then – with calmness and humor and a self-confident air gives me confidence that he can handle most anything that comes his way. Regardless of what he’s really feeling on the inside, he exudes reassuring calmness on the outside. Remarkable.

    ETA: HA! AllenTX, just read your post … we share a brain!

  275. Tried to edit my last comment — I have learned that there is one edisode of GH that used the Gary Jules Mad World. Perhaps this was a rerun of that episode?

  276. Ah, Edit, you were there for awhile, but now you’ve gone.
    Not fabby, but flabby, intended in earlier post. Must have been typo-ing the mag’s name.

  277. ABC isn’t lying when they say that Adam wen further with the sexuality on the air than he did in rehearsals.

    Adam has admitted, in several interviews, (including the one from Fab) that he took that face in the crotch move further live on the GMA’s than he did in rehearsal.

    I think the key point was that there was actually a “face near the crotch” in rehearsals. A move that was suggestive rather than overt, but it was still there. And Adam has completely taken responsibility for the fact that in the heat of performance, he took it from suggestive to overt.

    So I try to imagine in my head what the performance would have looked like if Adam had managed to keep a Bible’s width or whatever between the dancer’s face and his thrusting crotch. I dunno, I still think the same people who are outraged now would still have been pretty outraged. Hell, maybe Adam did ABC a favor because now the crotch move is entirely on his shoulders, what with ABC disavowing all knowledge.

  278. Adam’s album is great. I hope FEVER is released as a single at some point. I never get tired of listening to that one.

  279. Is there any truth to the rumor that the KISS FM station in Boston will not play Adam now? I just read that a morning DJ apparently has said this, but this hardly seems likely, does it?

  280. Q3, to answer your claims that I gave misleading facts:

    Where did Adam say this? Prior to the AMA performance, I never recall ever seeing Adam say he was discriminated against. And, after the AMA, I think he was justified …

    I didn’t say he used the D word (discrimination) before the AMAs. I have no idea if he did or didn’t. I am referring to since the AMAs. You think it’s justified, that’s a subjective viewpoint, not a fact.

    2. ‘simultaneously claims he is not political (though he ingeniously says that Harvey Milk is his role model).’ 

    Not true; Adam has said that his role models are Bowie, Freddy Mercury, Madonna and Prince.

    Not true? I am sure that someone in this thread quoted him as saying that Harvey Milk was his idol or words to that effect. I didn’t make it up out of thin air.

    He has consistently said that he is not political and does not want to be involved in politics at the point in his career. He just wants to be a singer and entertainer.

    Yes but I think he contradicts himself by talking about discrimination, he is getting into political territory there.

    Adam has never tried to ‘arouse gay rights activists’ .

    It’s my opinion that he is using the gay rights issue to gain notoriety and attention for himself. ymmv.

    If ABC, Dick Clark Productions and CBS, had acted fairly and consistently, then this would not be any kind of cause. But 1. ABC promoted Adam ‘shocking’  performance ‘”

    etc.

    Sorry but we just disagree. I think Adam has consciously tried to make this into a gay issue. Maybe he sincerely believes it is. Maybe not. Hard to say.

    Adam never questioned the network’s right to cancel his GMA concert. In fact he specifically said:

    I never said he did.

    ‘All that matters to me is that the fans got a show,’  the headline-making singer continued. ‘And ‘GMA’ made the decision that they made and that’s fine.’ 

    Yes pretty words. But it’s fine with him? No, he said it was discrimination against him as a man and as a gay man, and compromised his rights to artistic freedom. So while he gave lip service to their right to do it, he also called it discrimination etc.

    ‘Luckily, here on ‘The Early Show,’ they were able to accommodate me last minute,’  Adam told Access. ‘And the fans that traveled here to New York to see me perform got a show today, so yeah, that’s what matters.’ 

    This kind of talk is convincing to fans and those who love him, but not so convincing to me. To me it is just pretty words and possibly manipulative.

    What exactly did Adam do to mislead ABC?

    I think that’s been answered just above. What he showed in rehearsal and what he did on the air differed, and he freely admitted it.

    I do not have a problem with people criticizing Adam, or if people want to say that they were offended by the performance, or even just don’t like him. But, I do have a problem with incorrect facts.

    And I contend that my facts weren’t incorrect, but your interpretation and mine simply differ.
    As someone else noted:

    And Adam has completely taken responsibility for the fact that in the heat of performance, he took it from suggestive to overt.

    Which ABC felt was misleading, and which I also feel was.

  281. I would just like to add that as hot as the kiss itself was (or at least was to me), I somehow find it even hotter to hear that at some point Tommy and Adam had a conversation in which Tommy told Adam he should feel free to grab him or whatever.

    I like that Tommy’s attitude.

    The “angry/rough” (scary!) Adam that some saw in his AMA performance I saw more as the portrayal of the character who sings the song: sort of like, “Brace yourself, I’m in charge here but you’ll enjoy the ride,” which to me is similar to Gaga’s “when it comes to love if it’s not rough it isn’t fun.”

    It’s just nasty, naughty fun (“Once I’m in, I own your heart”) – that kind of bad boy is appealing to me, unlike Eminem’s character Slim Shady (who is, of course, still a just a character) but whom Em depicts as a truly frightening murderer and rapist, who – really – dismember’s his child’s mother (sorry to even write that).

    For the sake of consistency, if Adam’s portrayal of “roughness” offended anyone, Eminem’s portrayal of maniacal, psychotic killer “fury” should – and probably does – reduce the same people to goo.

    Yet, oddly, Eminem does not seem to get much heat for that. * Sigh * and then there’s Chris Brown, who literally displayed maniacal fury and will appear on GMA to defend himself next week. I think I need a break.

    (Personally, I thought Adam should’ve named his album “Brace Yourselves.”)

  282. ABC said it felt burned because Lambert went further on the air with sexuality than he did in rehearsals ‘” including the kiss. But the man putting his face to Lambert’s crotch was included in a rehearsal, according to an Associated Press reporter who attended the rehearsal. It was that sort of unpredictability that bothered ABC, particularly on a morning show with many young viewers watching.

    Adam has admitted, in several interviews, (including the one from Fab) that he took that face in the crotch move further live on the GMA’s than he did in rehearsal.

    Here is my question- Why was the face in the crotch move okay in the first place. The whole routine was pushing it. (I didn’t mind-it didn’t bother me.)
    But ABC knew about the other questionable moves, grabs, and language in the other acts. They knew about the costuming and imagery in FYE. They even knew about the face to crotch moves.
    Why aren’t they being held accountable for letting it go that far? Where was their 4 to 8 second edit button? Why did they zoom in on the kiss? Why didn’t they zoom up when the sim bj happened?
    It is interesting that network tv is letting things go even further.

  283. oceana
    What did I miss over T-Day? What’s the 2nd network?
    My guess would be they are referring to CBS. I think it’s pretty funny that CBS gave Adam extraordinary freedom on their show, he got much air time, he got to address his concerns in interview and in q&a session, he got to sing two entire songs, and all of this put together in 1-2 days, most impressive. His fans and supporters should be grateful, seemed to me. Instead, CBS is being attacked for being discriminatory, just like ABC is.
    So yes, I think any network might be wary of getting involved with Adam, as he’s liable to bite the hand that feeds him and cry ‘discrimination’  if everything isn’t 100% perfectly executed. If he doesn’t cry discrimination, others will do so on his behalf now.
    I’m sure they want the ratings he brings, but I’m not sure they’ll all feel like the angst and controversy are worth the ratings.

    Yes, I made a similar comment upthread about Adam having pissed off two networks now, and you summed up my thoughts perfectly.

    My thoughts about ABC were similar in that they’ve given Adam a lot of high profile coverage by featuring his song in Flash Forward as well as General Hospital for over a month, they featured his coming out on 20/20 where he was able to plug the upcoming Idol summer concert as well as his album, they selected him to announce the nominees for the AMAs, they selected him to perform at the AMAs, they selected him to close the AMAs, he was given a high-profile gig on GMA with both a performance segment as well as an interview, he was selected and is still scheduled to be featured as one of Barbara Walters’ most fascinating people.

    Thus ABC put a certain amount of faith in Adam, and in return Adam without prior warning gave a live performance on the East coast that went further than the producers were expecting, and then went and called ABC discriminatory before the performance which was never okayed by producers had even aired on the West coast.

    There must be so many other singers who are even more famous and yet much easier to deal with. It’s too bad though that’s all ABC seems to care about, and was still willing to give Chris Brown a similar spot on GMA.

  284. Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

    Ugh! How low can you go……

  285. are you serious about GH pulling his mad world? has he also been un-invited to rockin new years eve?

    adam is asked the same questions over and over, its time to enjoy his amazing voice.

  286. Towards 18-19 min on Adam talks about how he is in real life as opposed to his performance of implied S & M. He says he is not really into that. He’s a romantic. He’s more of a hippie. He’s into astrology and flower power. Adam says in the future he can see himself getting married and maybe having children.
    This is the kind of information I like to hear about. I think some of us have trouble recognizing what a good performer he is. You watch FYE on the AMAs and think that’s the real him. He’s only into leather as in wearing it. (When the interviewer asked him if he was into leather, is that a shorthand reference to S & M?)

  287. Pulling Adam’s Mad World from General Hospital and replacing it with Gary Jules version.

    This may not be correct — and I wrote the original comment.

    It is reported on Soap Opera Network but it was a rerun of an old show. So Adam’s Mad World may still be on GH — we’ll have to wait until either ABC makes an official statement or the show airs new episodes next week.

  288. Ok,mj let me try to explain, I saw the link somewhere else, got excited (ppls, not pees btw), went back to the article, realized the the info was wrong and tried to delete it, sorry, did not mean no harm.

    Oh if only we could talk just about the fantastic album’ ¦but I think the reviewer in the article kind of got overzealous and crossed his facts’ ¦Adam is on his way to possibly selling 210k-230k not 600k’ ¦Unless he is wearing a frumpy dress and a Barbara Bush wig’ ¦.

    I agree…

  289. and then there’s Chris Brown, who literally displayed maniacal fury and will appear on GMA to defend himself next week. I think I need a break.

    Can’t compare the Adam and Chris Brown situations–it’s like comparing apples to oranges.

    ABC’s problem with Adam has to do with actions he took on stage during the AMAs, a program ABC produced and aired. The decision to cancel Adam’s GMA appearance wasn’t based on Adam’s life outside of his relationship with the network.

    Brown has done some despicable things in his private life, and the court of public opinion will judge him, as they always do. But, I see no reason for ABC not to book him.

    If ABC had canceled Adam based on his public behavior–for instance if they canceled after photos of Adam smooching his boyfriend hit the tabs–then the situations would be comparable

  290. I wonder when we can get some news about tour. I really can’t wait to hear him sing these songs live. I don’t mind him not chartting well, not getting radio play, as long as he tours. Maybe I’m old fashioned, I still believe touring is THE way to build a solid fanbase.

  291. Can’t compare the Adam and Chris Brown situations’“it’s like comparing apples to oranges

    MJ are you hanging around with Adam! :mrgreen:

  292. Q3, I appreciate you, I don’t know your background, however, you always seem to me to be factual and for me a wonderful calming influence. You are also proactive in starting positive feedback as opposed to negative, I am referring to your CBS phone number you posted for anyone to take advantage of to thank them for inviting Adam. I called, it felt good to be doing something positive. You are great Pied Piper.

  293. …at some point Tommy and Adam had a conversation in which Tommy told Adam he should feel free to grab him or whatever

    That was a very entertaining part of the interview, bridget.

    When I heard that had to laugh thinking of several hundred thousand tour audience members watching WLL live, who, out of pure music appreciation, were thinking about a conversation they would like to have with Adam using exactly the same words.

    It was, actually, quite interesting to hear Adam describing how Tommy was so surprised at how, on Twitter, many females who have now become his follower, were tweeting Tommy how much they enjoyed the kiss.

    I was is such “oh no, oh no” deep misery about Adam not singing well for the first time in memory and the complicated, vocal sacrificing, non-audience relating choreography, I hadn’t noticed the rather cinematic, leading man sweeping up with passion, smoldering aspects of the kissing til I saw the stills.

    Tommy, being this cute, single, elfin straight guy– whose lips touched Adam’s lips — gonna do alright with the fanbase while he’s on the road if he has those audience participation inclinations.

    Oh, and news from Twitter:

    islasands: Adam lambert 700 followers short of quarter of a million! Numbers rising constantly

  294. I’m curious if there how Oprah will respond to the controversy. She will probably still have him on the show. I think she will address it but give him a pass, that’s what I think actually. She is also on ABC but I don’t think that will matter.

    Oprah is not scared of controversy or gay people. If she wants to have Adam on her show, it will happen. Also, Oprah is on NBC.

    BTW, Oprah WILL NOT be having Chris Brown on her show. She has explained her total disgust for his actions on several occasions. She sees the whole incident as sending a message to teen girls that it is normal for your boyfriend to beat you up. She will not be endorsing Chris Brown’s actions by having him come to perform on her show.

  295. Thus ABC put a certain amount of faith in Adam, and in return Adam without prior warning gave a live performance on the East coast that went further than the producers were expecting, and then went and called ABC discriminatory before the performance which was never okayed by producers had even aired on the West coast.

    I think this sums up the incident very well. A new artist was given the plum spot of the night and for whatever reason, ended up embarrassing ABC. That ended up hurting GMA as well. And now it’s a problem for CBS.

    So I think in the end even though supposedly all publicity is good publicity, this whole thing is a negative for Adam. Not a career ender by any means but more than a bump in the road.

  296. (Personally, I thought Adam should’ve named his album ‘Brace Yourselves.’ )

    ROFLMAO and thank you SO MUCH for THAT!!!! Too true!

  297. I don’t feel sorry for Adam. I don’t think he is a victim of hate and discrimination, at least not in this AMA/GMA matter. Well wait, there are surely homophobics who have dumped on him on message boards and comments on blogs, though I mostly only read here and can only guess. However he is getting a lot of support, and so many good things are happening to him, I don’t think he has to be unusually strong to handle the bad with the good right now.

    Well, while ABC may not be discriminating against Adam, he is clearly the victim of hate. The evidence is all over the interwebs, as you’ve noted. And, it’s ugly. Very, very ugly and vile. When I see it, I feel a little twinge of pain on behalf of every gay person who may accidentally stumble upon it that day.

    Adam’s made mistakes, but he can’t be blamed for everything everyone else has said or done in his name. These things have a way of taking on a life of their own. He may have a lot of great things going on in his life right now, but that won’t negate the effect that hate-filled homophobic comments all over the internet may have on him. I know I would need a pretty thick skin to put up with that. And I’m pretty sure it’s got to hurt.

    I agree with mj that the Adam / Chris Brown situations are two totally different things. I don’t really think the situations are comparable. I personally wouldn’t watch a show that has Chris Brown performing on it, but that’s just because for me, domestic violence is my deal breaker. So, Chris is dead to me. He can’t be redeemed. Of course, that doesn’t mean anyone has to agree with me.

  298. Oprah is not scared of controversy or gay people. If she wants to have Adam on her show, it will happen. Also, Oprah is on NBC.

    Yup!! Oprah does what Oprah wants.

  299. I think Oprah’s show is syndicated, so that means she may not appear on the same network in all markets. At least I think that’s how it works.

  300. (Personally, I thought Adam should’ve named his album ‘Brace Yourselves.’ )

    haha. That would have been awesome!!

  301. I think this sums up the incident very well. A new artist was give the plum spot of the night and for whatever reason, ended up embarrassing ABC. That ended up hurting GMA as well. And now it’s a big mess.

    So I think in the end even though supposedly all publicity is good publicity, this whole thing is a negative for Adam. Not a career ender by any means but more than a bump in the road.

    But one could argue…(and really I am not trying too) that ABC put him in the prime spot and played him up because they knew he would be controversial. The only thing they were NOT aware of was the KISS. Saying he went further with the simulated BJ then what was rehearsed is a joke. IMHO. Whether it was done less suggestively in rehearsal then what happened live, the point is it was expected on some level. You really believe that if he just bobbed the dancers head near his crotch area instead of bringing it all the way to his pants it would have made that much of a difference. The Dancer knew as I have seem picks of the shot and the dancers mouth is open and tongue out. The simulation of a BJ was always part of the routine. That is all that matters. So the only Duped part to ABC is the KISS. So their outrage is laughable to me. Them canceling him on GMA is only to cover their asses. Talk about playing victim.

  302. im confused about something, did ABC permanently ban him from their station or was it a one time thing for the morning show so soon after the AMAs?

  303. Regarding the Chris Brown situation, just in terms of publicity, it’s a bad situation. If I was on their PR team I would be asking for some extra lattes and/or martinis to deal with it, but besides the horrendous timing the two things having nothing to do with each other.

    But I would maybe ask the question of why a poor excuse of a slime mold like Chris Brown was booked to redeem himself on the show at all?

    Anyhew, Adam supposedly went off script on the AMAs and so ABC felt that they couldn’t trust him not to do so in the morning. Though I think that’s stupid given the many, many ways that Adam has proven he can target his audience according. Be it AI, to the past prime time and already raunchy AMAs, or all of his interviews. I mean watch the 2012 interviews and you can see him tailoring his interviewing style the person he was talking to and it’s publication. I get that, instinctually I used to do that with everyone I talked to, even to the point of taking parts of their accents, and I think a lot of people do this. We have our Business persona vs. our at home persona. We know when in business that we have a whole other language, dress and ways of interacting than we do in the rest of our personal lives. Even being children we know that we act differently to a teacher other adults vs other children vs parents and we develop different personas and means of talking to different people based on our differing situations to them and our relationship to them.

    Oh and getting back to he Chris Brown point, it was assured that he probably wasn’t going to beat up people while on camera while Adam giving his going off point with his AMA performance couldn’t be/wasn’t trusted to not do the thing that made them respective outre. Though I will say I get the point that a beating of another person in real life is exponetially uglier than some fake sex acts on an awards show. But Chris wasn’t going to do his ick on TV, ABC didn’t trust Adam not to do naughtiness on TV. That being said I think his CBS performances prove that Adam doesn’t totally doesn’t have drugs in his weed and can do totally nice performances. So his bank has some more pluses now.

  304. Oprah is syndicated. (The basis of her wealth). She’s on every network. But more ABC affiliates than others. (Which is why ABC will be most affected by Oprah leaving daytime. Local ad rates based on her higher ratings. Plus Oprah’s nice lead-in on some stations to evening news).

    What Oprah is likely to be thinking about Adam right now is when does she want the ratings bump. And deciding what kind of show she’d like to have with him – like with several people, or just one other featured story. And if with others, which others. And how much interviewing & how much singing.

    Ellen is, also, probably thinking about what kind of questions she’s going to ask during Monday’s taping for Tuesday’s broadcast.

  305. dhunken
    11/27/2009 at 8:19 pm

    But one could argue’ ¦(and really I am not trying too) that ABC put him in the prime spot and played him up because they knew he would be controversial. The only thing they were NOT aware of was the KISS. Saying he went further with the simulated BJ then what was rehearsed is a joke. IMHO. Whether it was done less suggestively in rehearsal then what happened live, the point is it was expected on some level. You really believe that if he just bobbed the dancers head near his crotch area instead of bringing it all the way to his pants it would have made that much of a difference. The Dancer knew as I have seem picks of the shot and the dancers mouth is open and tongue out. The simulation of a BJ was always part of the routine. That is all that matters. So the only Duped part to ABC is the KISS. So their outrage is laughable to me. Them canceling him on GMA is only to cover their asses. Talk about playing victim.

    Didn’t Adam say in his interviews with Slezak and Cantiello that the simulated BJ WASN’T in the original rehearsal? I recall him saying there was a dance move where he was supposed to go up to the back-up dancer and gyrate at his face or something to that effect, but it never went to the point where he shoved the guy’s face on his crotch.

    Or was that just me not paying attention at the said interviews? LOL

    Oh yeah, and screw GMA for booking Chris Brown. That pissed me off.

  306. Apples-Adam simulates gay sex in a more aggressive manor on live TV, than he did in rehearsal. He, also, plants a real-life kiss on one of his own band members. He said during rehearsal he had yanked the guy’s hair. He gave the finger to someone. He fell. No humans (other than himself) were harmed during his performance. (Pile on, if I missed anything.) During a summer GMA concert, Adam performed in an appropriate manor. It is not clear whether the network discussed the type of show he would do before he was deemed potentially inappropriate for morning TV. He was kicked off of GMA!
    Oranges-Chris Brown is actually CONVICTED of felonious assault on his girlfriend. This is real life physical abuse. A real human WAS harmed physically and mentally. He is welcomed to an interview and give a live performance on GMA. He is NOT kicked off GMA. CHris Brown is appropriate for morning Tv.
    While not another fruit, this is NUTS!

  307. I’m tired to listening to Adam whine and place blame on others.

    clearone can you point me to the interviews where Adam has done anything OTHER than take responsibility because I’ve listened to and read every one and in every single one Adam has clearly said, “I own what I did and I understand why it offfended some people” Now, if by taking responsibility you mean apologize, no, he hasn’t done that and has said he won’t do that.

    The kiss with Tommy wasn’t pre-planned but Adam did say that while filming the music video Tommy gave him permission to do whatever he wanted as far as performing with him. They appear to be on the same page in attitude. And any time Adam refers to Rock N Roll, I think attitude, not guitars vs dance beat.

    I still say the kiss was hot.

    Exactly. Tommy said during the video shoot “you can grab me if you want to… do whatever you want” and it’s evidenced in the video when Tommy rubs up against Adam that he’s all about “the performance” aspect of Rock & Roll, just like Adam.

    and yes, the kiss was HOT… Tommy was just as into it as Adam was, even if it was a surprise… he immediately responded in kind kissing Adam back.

    There is no such thing as an edgy Idol contestant to me. LOL. Not while they are on the show anyway. Adam got edgy when he left, but while he was there he was within the realm mainstream idol, he could just sing his face off.

    Normally I would agree with you but if you look at his ROF, BTBW and even his WLL performance Adam pushed it to the edge both vocally and performance wise on Idol; much more than any contestant up to that point. Then on the finale, when it was all said and done he showed up in glitter platform boots, shoulder cages and rhinestones on his eyes…. LOL.. that’s underground club kid so people KNEW what he was about and those who claim they didn’t weren’t paying attention.

    True but it doesn’t mean that Adam has to respond. The chip on his shoulder is still big, if not bigger, now that he’s commenting on the CBS business. I don’t think his PR people are doing him any favours right now by not advising him to change the topic.

    I remember when Taylor Swift tried to avoid talking about the Kayne West incident and the media jumped all over her for it; asked what she expected them to ask her about since that was the hottest story out. Adam has the right to respond when asked. You see a chip on his shoulder but I see him giving thoughtful and insightful answers to the questions being asked and his answers have been consistent. As for his comments on the CBS business, wouldn’ it be a bit hypocritical for him to criticize ABC for censoring him but not CBS for doing the same thing? Yes, I believe it would be. Both networks censored him for homosexual behavior and he’s commenting accordingly. Both deserve comment.

    One thing I can say is that he will NEVER receive respect from other idols whose minds are set on music not on controversies, gossips and buzzes.

    What does that mean exactly? I’m not sure presuming to speak for other idols is a good thing.

  308. So if Oprah decided not to have Chris Brown on her show, I applaud her. I don’t think we take abuse of women and children seriously enough in this macho culture of ours.

    At the same time, I don’t mind GMA giving him a spot on their show to answer Rhianna’s statements made about him a week earlier. And I agree that it’s apples and oranges and not the same issue, for the reasons mj gave.

  309. He is welcomed to an interview and give a live performance on GMA. He is NOT kicked off GMA. CHris Brown is appropriate for morning Tv.

    While not another fruit, this is NUTS!

    Well, said 4Msrmyn – your whole post.

    Didn’t realize Brown was going to sing. That’s really, really, really not right. He physically abuses women and now he gets to promote his career using his alleged mea culpa as an entry? Really not right.

    ABC deserves every moment of ridicule and protest they get for this. May no one watch.

  310. What Oprah is likely to be thinking about Adam right now is when does she want the ratings bump. And deciding what kind of show she’d like to have with him ‘“ like with several people, or just one other featured story. And if with others, which others. And how much interviewing & how much singing.

    Ellen is, also, probably thinking about what kind of questions she’s going to ask during Monday’s taping for Tuesday’s broadcast.

    I really hope that they won’t bring up the ABC/CBS hoopla, and talk music/future plans , and just let him sing.
    Someone mentioned that this whole situation is not a career killer, but a bump in the road, I sure hope so, but I am worried, and he needs to move on.

  311. But one could argue’ ¦(and really I am not trying too) that ABC put him in the prime spot and played him up because they knew he would be controversial. The only thing they were NOT aware of was the KISS. Saying he went further with the simulated BJ then what was rehearsed is a joke. IMHO. Whether it was done less suggestively in rehearsal then what happened live, the point is it was expected on some level. You really believe that if he just bobbed the dancers head near his crotch area instead of bringing it all the way to his pants it would have made that much of a difference. The Dancer knew as I have seem picks of the shot and the dancers mouth is open and tongue out. The simulation of a BJ was always part of the routine. That is all that matters. So the only Duped part to ABC is the KISS. So their outrage is laughable to me. Them canceling him on GMA is only to cover their asses. Talk about playing victim.

    dhunken – I SO totally agree with you. And people if you do like Adam’s album, please rate it on iTunes. He has 780 negative reviews, which I read some of, and there is a lot of hate spewing, Adam judgment and not much to do with the album for many of them.

  312. ABC deserves every moment of ridicule and protest they get for this. May no one watch.

    The thing that really bugs me about this is that the act of “contrition” figures so prominently into the pathology of the domestic violence cycle. It’s an integral part of the manipulation involved in the perpetual abuse. It just offends my sensibilities that a man who viciously beats his girlfriend later gets to do his contrition tour on live tv.

    But, other than being the same morning show, it really doesn’t have anything to do with Adam. So, I fear that I am way into off topic land. But – it just really pisses me off – so I have a hard time letting it go.

  313. Does anybody know the ratings for CBS Early show on Wednesday did they do better then ABC….Just curious.

  314. im confused about something, did ABC permanently ban him from their station or was it a one time thing for the morning show so soon after the AMAs?

    ABC has never “banned” him, it was a one-time cancellation. Barbara Walters is featuring him on her special on Dec. 9.

  315. will
    11/27/2009 at 8:53 pm

    im confused about something, did ABC permanently ban him from their station or was it a one time thing for the morning show so soon after the AMAs?

    ABC has never ‘banned’  him, it was a one-time cancellation. Barbara Walters is featuring him on her special in a few days.

    Good point Will….Telephone at it’s insidious best!!!

  316. And people if you do like Adam’s album, please rate it on iTunes. He has 780 negative reviews, which I read some of, and there is a lot of hate spewing, Adam judgment and not much to do with the album for many of them.

    that is just sick, it is a great album!! I have been listening to it non-stop ever since I downloaded it from I-tunes, btw the two videos I got with the deluxe edition are great, well worth the extra couple of bucks. I have to get home from work to try and put something positive there. I swear, this whole situation is just getting worse and worse.

  317. I took a break.

    Coming back, it seems surreal, the issue of exactly where the line IS that ABC felt Adam crossed – was it the kiss? and if it was, then the problem was that it was man/man, right? because it was blurred later, right? or was that just on the other channel? (or was it the roughness? or just the unplannedness . . . perhaps they’re really mad because Adam didn’t rehearse the fall, right? After all, they CENSORED JLo’s fall . . .)

    Was it the male dancer’s face to Adam’s lower belly? (Was it really his “crotch”? I use that word for the area a bit lower than I remember that dancer’s head being . . . am I crazy? Do I not really know what “crotch” means?) Could it be that Adam had been given a non-crotch “strike zone,” so to speak, into which the dancer’s head could fall and Adam “fouled”? Perhaps they should’ve chalk-outlined that area, I don’t know, I’m just trying to be helpful . . . could somebody link to the pics that show the dancers mouth open and tongue out? Cuz I really need to see those for . . . research.

    But, of course, they knew he had guys on leashes – and that’s okay, right? I mean with the children and all? And that he was gonna “ring the bell” of the female dancer above him? Because, obviously, that’s much more tasteful than than . . well, whatever wasn’t, right?

    The mind boggles.

    Doesn’t it just seem bizarre, really – the whole thing? Isn’t there some Latin expression (“reductio ad absurdum”?) that applies?

    Somehow it all seems reminiscent of when the principal would measure how many inches girls’ skirts were back when “mini-skirts” first appeared . . .

  318. One thing I can say is that he will NEVER receive respect from other idols

    Just wow – I wish I had your crystal ball…

    What kind of burns me is all this talk that because Adam likes to put together a performance (he likes the song, the dance, the staging, the whole shebang) that he is not a serious about the music. So I take it the only way to be serious about the music is to keep things on the low down personally and when you perform just stand and sing.

    By that measure musical history is littered with many many notable artists who wouldn’t have been deserving of respect. But gee wiz seems they got it anyway.

    I love a good song straight up as much as the next person, but happily I also love a good show with all the trimmings. As Adam said on one of the gazillion interviews this week – different moods for different songs. For me it is all good and if some of it generates a bit of hoopla – so be it. After all its Rock and Roll – it’s supposed to push the boundaries.

  319. Anyhew, Adam supposedly went off script on the AMAs and so ABC felt that they couldn’t trust him not to do so in the morning. Though I think that’s stupid given the many, many ways that Adam has proven he can target his audience according.

    Stupid and pointless. CBS couldn’t wait to get Adam. And I’m sure CBS would also love to cuddle up with 19 and get a steady flow of 19’s talent, Kris, Allison, Daughtry, Carrie, etc., paying visits to the Morning Show. If 19 didn’t appreciate Adam’s snub, it may be a long time before these folks grace GMA again. I really don’t see how Adam was damaged much, if at all. It was a little dicey the day after the AMAs but Adam has handled the interviews well, and many in the media have taken up for him. Even that Parents Television Council didn’t think ABC should have canceled Adam from GMA. So, Adam 1, GMA 0.

    Oh and getting back to he Chris Brown point, it was assured that he probably wasn’t going to beat up people while on camera while Adam giving his going off point with his AMA performance couldn’t be/wasn’t trusted to not do the thing that made them respective outre.

    Chris Brown is a ticking timebomb. He is wired to abuse. He grew up in an abusive home. There is evidence he had been violent with Rihanna before and violent with other girlfriends. Domestic violence is all about the escalation of abuse. You don’t begin at the beginning with a new girlfriend. You start where you left off with the last one. Statistics show that in a frightening number of cases, the last act of abuse before the abuser kills is choking. Chris Brown repeatedly choked Rihanna that night. But you know, ABC’s conscious is clear. They’ve saved the world from a dancer’s face in a performer’s crotch for 2 seconds.

  320. im confused about something, did ABC permanently ban him from their station or was it a one time thing for the morning show so soon after the AMAs?

    I can’t imagine any tv network permanently banning anybody. They’re trying to make money.

    No matter what their previous policy toward an individual has been, they’ll have that person on when and if they decide that it’s in their best interest to do so … or *not* have on somebody they’ve embraced before, if they decide *that’s* in their best interest. Adam’s reception — or rejection — at ABC will all be very fluid, as time goes on, I’m sure.

  321. No matter what their previous policy toward an individual has been, they’ll have that person on when and if they decide that it’s in their best interest to do so ‘ ¦ or *not* have on somebody they’ve embraced before, if they decide *that’s* in their best interest. Adam’s reception ‘” or rejection ‘” at ABC will all be very fluid, as time goes on, I’m sure.

    I agree and I will predict that Adam will be on next years AMA again!!!! (But Adam will not do what everyone will expect of him. He will do a TOMT or Mad World kind of performance, Soaked or Broken Open) IMHO

  322. Didn’t Adam say in his interviews with Slezak and Cantiello that the simulated BJ WASN’T in the original rehearsal? I recall him saying there was a dance move where he was supposed to go up to the back-up dancer and gyrate at his face or something to that effect, but it never went to the point where he shoved the guy’s face on his crotch.

    Or was that just me not paying attention at the said interviews? LOL

    Well, the AP reporter at the rehearsal saw and described a pull-face-toward-crotch moment. So to that extent it apparently was planned and did happen before the performance. What’s unknown — and, frankly, I don’t know that Adam himself would really know for sure — is how different the rehearsal and broadcast moves looked. That probably is what the argment turns on, but at best you’re talking about several inches of movement variation and a different “attitude” of music, and all of that is kind of small and subtle stuff on which to base any findings about who knew what and when they knew it and who might be lying, and so on.

  323. What’s unknown ‘” and, frankly, I don’t know that Adam himself would really know for sure ‘” is how different the rehearsal and broadcast moves looked.

    Since Adam has referred to what he did with the female dancer as “the exact same move,” I think that’s what he did with the male dancer in rehearsals.

  324. One thing I can say is that he will NEVER receive respect from other idols whose minds are set on music not on controversies, gossips and buzzes.

    Yeah, because there have *never* been any controversies of any kind involving other Idols, lol! … Hey, mj would have only a few hundred posts, total, if that were true! Seems to me that just about anything any Idol ever does can turn into a huge controversy —

    And I’m not at all convinced that Adam *meant* to be wildly controversial any more than any of the rest of them do. He happens to have spent years now performing in underground, often gay, avant garde, West Hollywood clubs. His accustomed manner of performing is different from what most of the Idols that came before him have been used to. Plus, he was topping off an evening that included Janet Jackson’s crotch grab, people notching 17 rapes on their belts, Gaga doing a major avant garde performance, etc. I don’t think it’s at all surprising that somebody who already has a long history of an pushing-the-boundaries performer would *accidentally* push farther than he possibly meant to on an occasion like that.

  325. I agree and I will predict that Adam will be on next years AMA again!!!! (But Adam will not do what everyone will expect of him. He will do a TOMT or Mad World kind of performance, Soaked or Broken Open) IMHO

    Yep. I’m expecting the same.

  326. What really pisses me off is that I can’t find the performance ANYWHERE online to watch again. I thought it was hilarious and campy and OTT and great fun, but it has been now been pulled from everywhere. GRRRR.

  327. One thing I can say is that he will NEVER receive respect from other idols whose minds are set on music not on controversies, gossips and buzzes.

    What Idols are you talking about??? lol So many have said positive things about Adam and have come to his defense.

    And people if you do like Adam’s album, please rate it on iTunes. He has 780 negative reviews, which I read some of, and there is a lot of hate spewing, Adam judgment and not much to do with the album for many of them.

    For every 780 haters, there’s another 1,000 that loves Adam. Unfortunately, hate sounds louder than love in every situation, but it doesn’t mean its the majority.

  328. He is welcomed to an interview and give a live performance on GMA. He is NOT kicked off GMA. CHris Brown is appropriate for morning Tv.

    While not another fruit, this is NUTS!

    Still has nothing to do with Adam…

  329. oh adam just called tommy (i love calling him TJ) glitterbaby!!!! oh how sweet!!! i love them….

  330. the issue of exactly where the line IS that ABC felt Adam crossed ‘“ was it the kiss? and if it was, then the problem was that it was man/man, right?

    I believe the line that was crossed that caused ABC to act was the phone calls of complaint and the threat to sue under FCC regulations. If neither of those had happened, they would not have cancelled.

    To my mind, the Chris Brown story is not all that relevant- it just highlights that ABC’s stated reasons are not their real reasons

  331. Since Adam has referred to what he did with the female dancer as ‘the exact same move,’  I think that’s what he did with the male dancer in rehearsals.

    Yeah, I think you’re right.

    What I meant, though, was — Was he an inch closer or higher or lower or something one time or another? Did the action take only a second one time but two and a half seconds the other? Was the action smoother, jerkier, more “violent” looking, etc? —

    I realize that sounds stupid! But, honestly, that seems to be the small, ridiculous nuances on which all this judgment is turning. …. Like, Wow! In rehearsal, the head remained an entire two inches from his crotch, but in the performance he yanked it over to within three quarters of an inch!! And the movement was much jerkier — adn thust violent! And thus the performance action wasn’t what ABC saw in the rehearsal, and thus Adam broke his contract!. …

    That’s the kind of judgment folks seem to be making and expect that ABC is making (and they probably *are,* I suppose)…. But what i think is that you certainly *aren’t* going to perform a move in the exact same way in one performance as you do in another, and you probably can’t even put your finger on exactly how you did it in each instance … and ABC is probably well aware that even when you’ve seen the choreography, you are in no position at all to know *exactly* how that choreography will play out later, in performance …. So, to me, it’s just ludicrous that they are complaining about a head jerking that’s slightly closer or sharper than the one they saw in rehearsal, when they’d apparently already approved a couple of head-toward-crotch moves, guys on leashes, and a ton of other stuff.

  332. Here is my question- Why was the face in the crotch move okay in the first place. The whole routine was pushing it. (I didn’t mind-it didn’t bother me.)

    Well, who knows what that looked like in rehearsal. It also wasn’t the only surprise sprung in the routine.

  333. He is welcomed to an interview and give a live performance on GMA. He is NOT kicked off GMA. CHris Brown is appropriate for morning Tv.

    While not another fruit, this is NUTS!


    Still has nothing to do with Adam’ ¦

    But it has everything to do with ABC and their standards and what they think is dangerous or inappropriate.

  334. I believe the line that was crossed that caused ABC to act was the phone calls of complaint and the threat to sue under FCC regulations.

    Of course that FCC complaint doesn’t have a leg to stand on. They aren’t going to make fools of themselves by ruling that Adam’s stuff was obscene while giving a pass to all the other stuff that was on a show. And if they made *any* moves to rule against the male-male kiss or levied a fine against the male-to-crotch moment about which people have complained while ignoring the apparently uncomplained-about female-to-crotch move, the FCC knows perfectly well that somebody could come after them on grounds of discrimination on the basis of gender and sexual orientation, which doesn’t fly legally any longer. … This is a Democrat-run FCC, too, not the Bush-era, Christian-conservative-pleasing FCC that went after the wardrobe malfunction.

  335. What I meant, though, was ‘” Was he an inch closer or higher or lower or something one time or another? Did the action take only a second one time but two and a half seconds the other? Was the action smoother, jerkier, more ‘violent’  looking, etc? ‘”

    This is where my head is at too. Here’s my pure speculation. What if the producers of the AMA discussed this with Adam before the show. What if they told him he could do it but with female dancers only. And Adam got pissed off and did it with a guy too when they went live. That would explain why Adam was talking discrimination so early. The discrimination occurred during rehearsals. It would also explain the FU better. That was to ABC. And then ABC’s reaction would be a bit more legitimate.

  336. I just don’t see how the Adam Lambert and Chris Brown situations are not related. The whole point is about judgment calls made by ABC. The whole point is about what is or is not deemed appropriate for morning TV by ABC.
    I am questioning their judgment.
    Even if you agree with both judgments by ABC, you see that some people do NOT agree with ABC. (For reasons given above)

  337. But it has everything to do with ABC and their standards and what they think is dangerous or inappropriate.

    And all I’m saying is that there is no connection between the two situations, at all. I would strike talk of Chris Brown out of this thread as off-topic if the press hadn’t made the dubious connection.

    ABC’s decision to cancel Adam had everything to do with a business deal that was struck between them, not about Adam’s public and private behavior.

  338. And is Adam’s fanbase seriously family’s with children? Seems more like Kris’ crowd. Who knows??

    This family loves listening to Adam’s new CD. Certain songs are requested to be played over and over by my pre-teen boys….They LOVE Fever, Pick U up, Master Plan and If I had You.

  339. Could it be that Adam had been given a non-crotch ‘strike zone,’  so to speak, into which the dancer’s head could fall and Adam ‘fouled’ ? Perhaps they should’ve chalk-outlined that area, I don’t know, I’m just trying to be helpful . . .

    Priceless! LOL! Loved your entire post Bridget!

  340. He has 780 negative reviews, which I read some of, and there is a lot of hate spewing, Adam judgment and not much to do with the album for many of them.

    I doubt most of them have even heard the album. Haters are all over the internet. A lot of sick puppies out there which I find way more disturbing than Adam’s lousy AMA performance.

  341. my gut feeling tells me it was related to a sponsor or a big wig in the corporate office rather than the complaints. Compared to the viewership the complaints amounted to a hill of beans and they haven’t canceled DWTS which apparently gets a lot of complaints, but so be it.

    Well DWTS is a top rated ABC show and Adam Lambert is pretty much a nobody (for ABC.) And my gut tells me that ABC was angry because Adam did things live on TV that he never did in rehearsal. So canceling him from GMA cost them very little. As a matter of fact, he was replaced by the winners of DWTS

    If fans think flipping the bird, blow jobs, fingering females are all perfectly acceptable prime time material for ABC, I say I don’t agree. Madonna and Gaga probably have never done an unplanned or unrehearsed “outrageous” event in the lives. They’re pretty shrewd business people on top of being creative artists.

    Adam, not so much. It’s going to be pretty weird if all this ends up with Adam off the ABC New Year’s Eve show as well, Who knows how it will play out.

  342. jpan I never said Adam’s performance was appropriate, I didn’t like it either, I’m just saying I don’t think 1,500 complaints (which amounted to a tiny percentage of the viewers) is the real reason they cancelled GMA. But it’s just my gut feeling, so your guess is as good as mine.

  343. As a matter of fact, he was replaced by the winners of DWTS

    Well, that’s one way to put it. The other way is to say he was replaced by Donny Osmond. :-)

    You have to admit, that’s pretty funny!!

  344. Sorry this is off topic I was watching Access Hollywood and they announced that Adam on Monday’s show. “How did Adam spend his first weekend after the AMA scandal”. Sorry if this was posted earlier.

  345. I take ABC at their word. He became a loose cannon on a live ABC show.
    Anyway, this all has to blow over eventually (hopefully).

  346. Madonna and Gaga probably have never done an unplanned or unrehearsed ‘outrageous’  event in the lives.

    Well, I say you’re wrong! Now how does either of us prove it? LOL.

    Madonna certainly has done some “outrageous” planned events. A coffee table book wrapped in brown paper and with glossy naked pix rings a bell.

  347. Madonna certainly has done some ‘outrageous’  planned events.

    Or an entire album called Sex (IIRC)? Complete with 11×17 (or larger) metal bound book of exploits, ahem I mean, “illustrated” poetry and prose? :-)

    Don’t ask me how I know this… Heh.

  348. jpfan
    11/27/2009 at 10:40 pm

    I take ABC at their word. He became a loose cannon on a live ABC show.
    Anyway, this all has to blow over eventually (hopefully).

    Yeah because ABC has no reason to lie. My one disagreement with you is he had already done GMA once before and did a stripped down version of a song he was doing on the Tour. What would make them think he would not do the same thing again. The AMA and GMA are two different animals. If anything if he was to perform FYE they could have just said no to that song. Loose cannon implies pattern, one performance indicates a lack of restraint or letting the excitement take the best of you. Why would they not take him at his word. IMHO None of us really know and on some level they all lie.

  349. LaurelG
    11/27/2009 at 11:20 pm

    Adam holding strong at 210k to 230K according to updated HDD.

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news07853

    That is great news (to me anyway) but did you see Susan Boyle’s predictions 625-675K that is outrageous gold her first week out and beating Eminem for best selling first week sales this year…..Ok Gimme a Barbara Bush wig and a sundress….I got some songs to record… :mrgreen:

  350. Maybe adam will sell more if we cant download album for free. im guilty of that but still i bought his cd.

  351. Darn that woman! 675k, Holy shat. I better not see any SuBo CD in my stockings or I will slap a bitch across the face. :what up Chris Brown, hows ABC?::

  352. What really pisses me off is that I can’t find the performance ANYWHERE online to watch again. I thought it was hilarious and campy and OTT and great fun, but it has been now been pulled from everywhere. GRRRR.

    http://mjsbigblog.com/american-music-awards-2009-performance-videos.htm

    Many thanks why it didn’t occur to me to check the original thread here for it is a mystery that only more sleep and some coffee will solve. :-)

  353. Itunes (and more) FYE album rankings.

    #3 Best Buy online (New Releases)…(Gaga deluxe #5; Rhianna #13)
    #10 iTunes deluxe CD; #30 standard CD (Overall); #5 deluxe CD; #12 standard CD (Pop)…(Gaga deluxe #3; Rhianna #4 on Overall chart)
    #5 Barnes & Noble online (Best-sellers)…(Gaga & Rhianna NOT in top 20)
    #13 Amazon.com (Best-sellers, physical CDs)…(Gaga deluxe #18; Rhianna #62)’ ¦6-7 of the CDs now ahead of Adam were Black Friday specials that were HEAVILY discounted (some an unbelievable amount!); #7 (MP3 Album)…(Rhianna #3 — her MP3 album still at $3.99 and Lady Gaga at $5 and Michael Buble’s latest also $3.99 today)’ ¦
    #8 Walmart online (New Releases)’ ¦Gaga now right behind him at #9; Rhianna WAY back)
    #11 Borders online (Best-sellers)…(Gaga & Rhianna NOT in top 25)
    #21 Target online (Best-sellers)…(Gaga #38; Rhianna #65)

    LaurelG thanks for the great news at worst he’ll get #3 but I’m betting on #2.

  354. hey peeps…so glad Adam’s Cd is selling well…
    I just saw a segment on ET News about this whole controversy thing..all they did was show his response during the Early show…and they showed the kiss several times…seemed like they really wanted to make their point LOL…to me it wasnt even a big deal and the camera zoomed out when it was going on…
    Adam and Tommy were tweeting back and forth now LOL and Adam’s last tweet is “Juliet is the Sun” WTF??
    Does anyone have any idea what he might mean by that? LOL
    that caught me off-guard..he doesnt usually tweet like that…

  355. It is the east and Juliet is the sun! Arise fair sun and kill the envious moon.
    This is the famous balcony scene. Romeo is below her window calling her to come out.(and play) LOL

  356. Romeo & Juliet

    Yes I know thats where the line is from :)

    It is the east and Juliet is the sun! Arise fair sun and kill the envious moon.

    LOL thanks for refreshing my memory on Shakespeare, I didnt quite remember the rest of the line, thank u…I get in now since hes in NY LOL

  357. Adam and Tommy are just tweeting like that to get people going. If something was really going on between them they wouldn’t be tweeting it. They must be bored on a plane back to LA or something.

  358. It was a little dicey the day after the AMAs but Adam has handled the interviews well, and many in the media have taken up for him. Even that Parents Television Council didn’t think ABC should have canceled Adam from GMA. So, Adam 1, GMA 0.

    Just had to jump back on with my 2 cents. I agree – in hindsight, much like the hoopla over the album cover, I see the AMA thing as actually being less of an issue now that the dust has settled. The day it happens, the fans freak out and fear he’s ruined, but, two days later, wow, I must say that I actually felt pretty confident about Adam and his continued success.

    I mean, I’m a firm believer that very little publicity is really bad publicity, well, as long as it’s not breaking the law or hurting anyone. And what Adam did on Sunday cerainly didn’t qualify for that. So, really, he got himself a lot of press and coverage, and he brilliantly segued into some great interviews, plus even better performances on the Early Show and Letterman, which showed how amazing he is as a vocalist and performer.

    One of the things I love about this guy is that he is never boring. If all I got from him was AMA performances, it would get old fast, and smack of sensationalism. But if all I got were wonderfully sung Early Show performances, well, tbh, especially knowing what kind of person Adam is, I’d be pretty bored with that too. He is so shrewd, and so versatile, and I think this week has shown just how brilliantly he can go from one extreme to another, be scandalous and detested one moment, and pardoned and even protected another (after the GMA snub). It really is quite fascinating to watch.

  359. Ok Gimme a Barbara Bush wig and a sundress’ ¦.I got some songs to record’ ¦

    LOL. You know, at first I thought she might be a one-hit number but since she’s defied so many expectations already, now I’m thinking they’ll get her to cover some classic Broadway/West End showtunes and ready album #2 for next Christmas when everyone is feeling all warm and fuzzy again. What a goldmine.

    Northernbelle, I hope you decide to stay.

  360. Darn that woman! 675k, Holy shat. I better not see any SuBo CD in my stockings or I will slap a bitch across the face. :what up Chris Brown, hows ABC?::

    LOL – I know, my dislike of SuBo is hardly secret, but since I had long resigned myself to the fact that she would handily kick EVERYONE’S butt this week, all I can do is sit back and wait for her 15 minutes of fame to PLEASE be over already!

  361. Adam and Tommy are just tweeting like that to get people going. If something was really going on between them they wouldn’t be tweeting it. They must be bored on a plane back to LA or something.

    LOL – I know – the blogs are already shipping them, and now they’re just teasing everyone :-)

  362. I mean, I’m a firm believer that very little publicity is really bad publicity, well, as long as it’s not breaking the law or hurting anyone.

    You hit it on the head – as PR folks will tell you there really isn’t anything such as bad publicity unless you’re in handcuffs (roll Chris Brown footage)… :-)

    Have to chime in and say thanks to MJ for the totally awesome job she does. It must be like herding cats most days. And despite my occasional frustration with some people who just like to be negative, in general there is some great (if at times a bit scary over-analytical) discourse on these pages. Oh and some comedic touches that area daily challenge to the well being of my computer keyboard (testing the limits of how many mouthfuls of coffee one can spit over it before it ceases to function…)

  363. Well, who knows what that looked like in rehearsal. It also wasn’t the only surprise sprung in the routine.

    Well the reporter from Associated press described quite clearly a women being dragged across the stage IN SHACKLES and other various “raunchy” behavior. He had men on leashes, he clearly performed similar moves, at least on the female dancer because it’s in the BTS video provided by ABC prior to the AMAs. and I believe someone else who sat in on rehearshals described the face in the crotch move.

    What I find puzzling honestly is why is the sole focus on what he did with the MEN? IMO the actions with the women were just as, if not more, vulgar (by prudish standards) because they weren’t quick. The girl in the tutu grabbed his dick and held it for a good 20seconds and then the girl on the chair straddled above his head while he had was all up in her business and then he “pulled the trolley stop” harness.

    Why did ABC hype his performance as EYE POPPING, outrageous, one that needed to be seen to be believed, etc if they didn’t KNOW it was OTT?

    No, I think ABC knew they were getting something racy when it came to the females but….I don’t think they expected him to throw in the homoerotic images and then panicked!! I also think if it had JUST been the crotch rub this whole thing would’ve been chalked up to a racy performance and nothing more… the KISS threw them over the edge IMO…. I only say that because as a viewer and fan, (of) the kiss even took ME off guard. Everything else I took in stride as being part of the dancing and routine….albeit a tad overzealous. When he pulled the keyboardist into that kiss I gasped and was like “oh shit” I knew the minute he did that all hell would break loose.

    it seems this will be of great debate for a while and at the end of the day none of it really matters. What ABC did or didn’t know at this point is irrelevant. It’s how they’ve handled it SINCE that time that is telling the tale. There is no way they didn’t know to a certain degree that Adam’s performance was going to be sexual in nature. They had to have listened to the song. They put him on LAST, even after the final award is given, which I’ve never seen before…. the last award is ALWAYS done to end the show. They put him on at 10:55 P.M. which is the last possible minute to finish the show without messing up people’s DVRs and having them cut off. and yet they take ZERO responsiblity for their part in the situation. Adam had extensive meetings and rehearsals… sure the moves were amped up for the live performance but they were STILL there… that is the point. Adam has taken responsibility for getting carried away during the adrenline fueled live performance but ABC would like to pretend they fell victim to some manipulative schemer who rehearsed a completely different number and then busted out the S&M gear…. I call bullshit…..

  364. Yep, alwaysintrouble – ITA. From the beginning I argued that ABC knew what was gonna go down (at least MOST of it), and that their decision to cancel him on GMA was pure hypocrisy. Case in point, showing him front and center on the ABC home page with vid links to the AMAs THE DAY OF the GMA cancellation announcement.

    “Oh, yes – we have nothing to do with the debauchery of Adam Lambert, except when we want to keep using him to get hits on our website…”

  365. The girl in the tutu grabbed his dick and held it for a good 20seconds

    20 seconds??? Um, I’m pretty sure I would have noticed that. I have no idea what you’re referring to, but I refuse to go back and watch it again.

  366. Honestly, I don’t give a fig about ABC, CBS or any their so-called hypocrisy. Is the world going to end because GMA cancelled Adam? No. Is the world going to end because of perceived double standard by some? No. It is not a conspiracy against Adam.

  367. The world is not gonna end because of a double standard but HELL YES it needs to be talked about. This issue is bigger than Adam, he is just facilitating the discussion.

  368. Honestly, I don’t give a fig about ABC, CBS or any their so-called hypocrisy. Is the world going to end because GMA cancelled Adam? No. Is the world going to end because of perceived double standard by some? No. It is not a conspiracy against Adam.

    I don’t think it’s a conspiracy against him, but I think he has a very valid point about double standards, and bringing it to the forefront like he’s been doing (or in many cases, as he’s been forced to do with all the interviewers asking him 100 times about it), may make some progress in helping to tear down those double standards in the future.

    I’m not saying he’s a trailblazer, or that everything will change over night, but he has created some interesting and very thought provoking discussions this week that have forced the media to think about how sex and gender are really being treated and perceived.

  369. Kanadie Bonttell
    11/28/2009 at 1:04 am

    He did sing A Change Is Gonna Come

    :-) Maybe he did plan this! J/K

  370. The girl in the tutu grabbed his dick and held it for a good 20seconds

    What? How the hell did I miss this? At what minute mark will I find this?

    Adam has taken responsibility for getting carried away during the adrenline fueled live performance but ABC would like to pretend they fell victim to some manipulative schemer who rehearsed a completely different number and then busted out the S&M gear’ ¦. I call bullshit’ ¦..

    ITA! I call bullshit, too!
    I’m not saying Adam has no responsibility in the controversy. But, ABC saw the costumes,leashes and moves before the show aired. They edited out half of Eminem’s song. They could have edited out the crotch move.

  371. Adam Lambert is good for America:
    http://www.examiner.com/x-4107-International-LGBT-Issues-Examiner~y2009m11d27-Why-America-needs-Adam-Lambert

    “But it was only a start. Mainstream America should give Adam Lambert a chance. Aside from the sexual stuff, he’s very lovable, charming, and humble. And he got his fans to donate $200K to public schools this past summer. Aren’t those virtuous American values?

    Most importantly, he has more talent in his little finger than most singers in the U.S. today. We’ve got something special on our hands. Let’s not f—k it up. Don’t allow the unwritten American “Don’t Show, Do Tell” policy sidetrack Adam just because he happens to be gay. When you think about it, it’s a shame Adam has that whole American Idol albatross to carry on his shoulders.”

  372. When it comes right down to it, I just don’t buy ABC’s explanation. I think they were reacting not to a concern that Adam would fail to temper his performance for a morning television audience but rather to what they anticipated to be a negative reaction by their audience to the AMA performance. I think their decision came from a discriminatory and cowardly place but was based mostly on their assumptions regarding their audience and their concern about negative publicity and their ratings. They must believe they know what types of acts their audience wants to see; prior to the AMA performance, that included Adam and afterwards it apparently didn’t. I think ABC overreacted and underestimated the openness and tolerance of their audience.

    I don’t have a problem with GMA interviewing Chris Brown. He wouldn’t be the first convicted felon interviewed by a morning news program. I do have a problem with them giving him an opportunity to perform, however.

  373. Here is my question- Why was the face in the crotch move okay in the first place. The whole routine was pushing it. (I didn’t mind-it didn’t bother me.)

    Well, who knows what that looked like in rehearsal. It also wasn’t the only surprise sprung in the routine.

    Well, they edited out the finger. So, what else was “the surprise” that was sprung in the routine?

  374. Well, they edited out the finger. So, what else was ‘the surprise’  that was sprung in the routine?

    I think the kiss was the only other total surprise. I love the kiss!

  375. Reminder:

    Folks who continue to talk about the blog on the blog, despite my requests–over and over again–to please stick to the subject, are now going straight into moderation. I feel like I have no choice at this point.

  376. That whole show was on at least a 10 second delay…ABC had the time and option to either go to a different camera shot not showing the “unrehearsed” event, or they could have went to black screen. It doesn’t take away from Adams actions in this, but if there is a fault here, ABC is just as guilty as anyone. They wanted the media attention as much as anyone involved!

  377. one of the nicest Adam interviews around…good to know he is reacting very well with the issues thrown at him….and good to know that TJ (tommyjoe) is cool about doing insane performances, yeah! that dude has a heavy metal background, of course he knows rock n’ roll!

    i wonder what the international release will be….if that Voodoo song is a europop thingie then I am so looking forward to it…adam did very well on the euro sound with If I had You and Down the Rabbit Hole, imho.

  378. That whole show was on at least a 10 second delay’ ¦ABC had the time and option to either go to a different camera shot not showing the ‘unrehearsed’  event, or they could have went to black screen.

    I still wonder why they didn’t do that.

  379. The girl in the tutu grabbed his dick and held it for a good 20seconds

    What? How the hell did I miss this? At what minute mark will I find this?

    It’s right before he trips and face plants. She doesn’t so much grab his dick as put her hand over his crotch, and yeah it was there for a bit. There is quite a bit in that performance that people haven’t commented on… not to be a broken record, but I f’loved it.

  380. No. It is not a conspiracy against Adam.

    I haven’t read that anyone thinks it’s a conspiracy and of course the world isn’t going to end, but ABC is looking pretty foolish to me. I always had the thought in my head that Adam would eventually go “too far” so my surprise at the AMA performance lasted about 15 seconds. And I really didn’t like it at all, but I don’t put a person I don’t even know so high up on a pedestal that something like this ruins them for me. I love his singing, his looks, his personality and his CD, I just didn’t love his AMA performance.

  381. I still wonder why they didn’t do that.

    Live TV isn’t perfect and somethings are going to slip through the cracks.

  382. Live TV isn’t perfect and somethings are going to slip through the cracks.

    Yet somehow they edited out 50 curse words from Eminem’s song. A 10 second delay means they could have edited the crotch action. They didn’t want to.

  383. You know the thing that cracks me up. The AMA performance wasn’t even all that OTT in my mind. He could have gone so much further. He was dressed pretty straight up in a suit (ok so it was silver but even so). His dancers were no more revealed than dancers usually are and actually more than in some cases.

    Just imagine for a minute how fully OTT he COULD have gone – I am talking Zodiac like in feathers and full on glitter. I wonder what people would be saying if he had done that… as it was the staging and set was pretty tame, it is only the sexual nature of the dance moves and a bit of guy on guy lip action that made it at all “shocking”.

    I can’t wait til Adam in his full glittery alien weirdness unleashes on the world at large. I say hang on cause you ain’t seen nothing yet! This wasn’t even the appetizer. And I for one will be standing on the sidelines in stilettos and fishnets with my feather boa and furry handcuffs screaming for more.

    America might not be ready for him but there are plenty of countries around the world where OTT is embraced.

    This band called Empire of the Sun just won a slew of awards at Australia’s version of the Grammys… http://idreamelectro.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/l_52e422ac5c844c84a34b85fa7c30d4ba.jpg

  384. From the beginning I argued that ABC knew what was gonna go down (at least MOST of it), and that their decision to cancel him on GMA was pure hypocrisy. Case in point, showing him front and center on the ABC home page with vid links to the AMAs THE DAY OF the GMA cancellation announcement.

    ‘Oh, yes ‘“ we have nothing to do with the debauchery of Adam Lambert, except when we want to keep using him to get hits on our website’ ¦’ 

    Yet somehow they edited out 50 curse words from Eminem’s song. A 10 second delay means they could have edited the crotch action. They didn’t want to.

    I’ve been thinking about ABC’s role in all this too. They pimped the hell out of Adam before and during the AMA broadcast (I mean, that struck me as very weird at the time). Then they left in the visual of the most “salacious” moment of the performance (but bleeped the non-offensive words “take the pleasure” LOL…way to make that moment seem even “dirtier”, ABC). Then they canceled his GMA gig, feeding the controversy they had helped to create.

    And all the while knowing he was on Barbara Walter’s “Ten Most Fascinating” list (on ABC) and scheduled for an interview with her 2 days after the AMAs. (Wonder if they told Adam and his management about the GMA cancellation before or after his interview with Barbara that afternoon?) I guess he’s even more “fascinating” now thanks in no small part to ABC itself. Adam had the pimp cane but ABC’s is bigger, IMO.

  385. I’m not saying he’s a trailblazer, or that everything will change over night, but he has created some interesting and very thought provoking discussions this week that have forced the media to think about how sex and gender are really being treated and perceived.

    Mary, I believe you are right. So, a change is going to come. I just don’t think I am ready for it. Maybe it’s my age; maybe it’s the way I want my music to be presented.

    Rod Stewart had a way of presenting sexy lyrics, but our parents weren’t offended because they didn’t understand the meaning of the words. :smile:

    I did not like Adam’s AMA performance. There were others on the show that were pushing the limit a bit too far for me.

  386. I enjoyed this interview, albeit rather lengthy with lots of theme repetition.
    Clearly, the interviewer sounded like he scored big, and was loath to part airwaves with him!!….Can’t say I blame him.
    So, Adam seems to be fairly consistent with what he says happened, and why he spontaneously combusted into the most talked about performer of the night. Hah, I’m not buying that he didn’t plan this!!! He is one smart cookie, and he ,definitely, has “tells” in some of the interviews on video. His eyes are all over and that does indicate deception! Look at MJ’s video, of when he denied the charges leveled at him. That was as honest as a look
    can get!!.
    Adam actually has my admiration,as a masterful stategist. I adore his Music
    and especially his out of Planet Fierce voice!!! Personally, I didn’t love some his more overt moves, but I, surely, remain, firmly, a CHEERLEADER for his
    in your face ability to get us all to discuss and discover our own inconsistencies in levels of perception regarding our frequently displayed double standards!!!! I’m a FAN!!

  387. I am new at interpreting this radio data, but spins for FYE have picked up for the last three days in Top 40, when compared to the same three days prior to the AMA’s. So either the controversy is helping, or is at least not hurting.

    Hot AC 54 53 1 (1st column is current spins)
    Top 40 101 72 29

    I haven’t commented much on the AMA’s. I rewatched the performance a few times and hated it less each time. I also was able to appreciate that it was actually better than a lot of the acts that came before it-aside from its shock value.

    Adam, with all his clothes on, still oozes sexuality. i really don’t expect him to ever tone it down too much-I saw him twice on tour and it was obvious he was really holding back. I do think he CAN hold it back when he needs to-i.e. family hours/shows. I just don’t think he felt the need at the AMA’s, based on what he saw happen in performances before him. My 14yo was watching, while she was busy texting. All she commented on was the kiss- and it was more of a “Mom. did he just kiss a guy?” No eeeww or anything.

    AND Adam produced a wonderful first CD that did not require an “explicit” warning and has something for everyone to enjoy, including my daughter. For that, I say THANK YOU Adam!

  388. “rock and roll is a prostitute and it has to be tarted up”. Earth to Adam, FYE is not rock and roll in anyway. That’s as Britney-esque as it gets.

  389. I guess not to relevant since I don’t see Susan Boyle on here?

    Well, that list seems to be very strictly broken down into tight categories, and she isn’t contemporary pop. So while it doesn’t mean anything about overall rankings, it’s still good to be listed first in your own category, especially when that category is very often the top seller overall, even though it isn’t right at the moment because of SB!

  390. What I find puzzling honestly is why is the sole focus on what he did with the MEN? IMO the actions with the women were just as, if not more, vulgar (by prudish standards) because they weren’t quick. The girl in the tutu grabbed his dick and held it for a good 20seconds and then the girl on the chair straddled above his head while he had was all up in her business and then he ‘pulled the trolley stop’  harness.

    Because there’s no double standard, lol?

    Heck, I’m hearing that “there’s no double standard or discrimination” thing so often that I’m starting to believe it! Only not.

  391. the KISS threw them over the edge IMO’ ¦. I only say that because as a viewer and fan, (of) the kiss even took ME off guard. Everything else I took in stride as being part of the dancing and routine’ ¦.albeit a tad overzealous. When he pulled the keyboardist into that kiss I gasped and was like ‘oh shit’  I knew the minute he did that all hell would break loose.

    And what the kiss showed was — It *was* about male on male sex and love…. And *that’s* what we freak out about, *not* “vulgar sexual simulation” or something. Vulgar sexual simulation is all over the place. But when it has that male-on-male tinge — then all hell breaks loose. And, as you say, the male-on-male tinge really became evident *only* when the kiss happened.

    And, yes, I completely agree that that’s not true for everyone. Some actually don’t want to see any of it. In fact, I’m somewhat in that category myself. I’m not at all comfortable with getting kids so accustomed to seeing women simulate orgasms on stage that, in my mind, they’re likely to mimic that stuff in their own dancing around without even realizing what they’re doing. I would actually have *zero* problem if a decision was made to completely ban sex simulation on network television. But when we let female stuff go on and on and on and don’t even *notice* it, apparently, and then go all crazy when there’s something male on male, then I have a *big* problem.

  392. That whole show was on at least a 10 second delay’ ¦ABC had the time and option to either go to a different camera shot not showing the ‘unrehearsed’  event, or they could have went to black screen.

    I still wonder why they didn’t do that.

    Well, the decision to ban Adam from GMA came from a whole different corporate level than the button pushers cleaning up the AMA show on 10-second delay. The button pushers were censoring only the things that they knew were an issue — and they’re very well informed about this. They wouldn’t have censored the kiss or the crotch pull because they know that that kind of stuff happens all the time on tv and that it is not an FCC violation. I’m sure that they also know that you can’t censor homosexual acts in a different way from heterosexual acts any more, and that FCC is not empowered to enforce anti-male-on-male discrimination, nor would it.

    But my conclusion is that, sometime after the whole brouhaha started after the show, the corporate management at ABC heard *something* from *somebody* in particular — a corporate sponsor, maybe? — that made them believe they had to pull Adam from GMA in order to placate this entity, whoever it was. ….

    Seems to me that I remember the first ABC statements on this issue stating that they’d only gotten a “moderate” amount of complaints – 1500 — about the performance, and declaring a pr disaster generally required 15,000 to 20,000 complaints. So something clearly happened between then and the cancellation, and I don’t see what that could have been except someone very specific — like a corporate sponsor or some specific group – threatening some specific action if they didn’t dump Adam from the AMAs.

    And it wasn’t a threat from the FCC. That’s where I call bullshit on ABC’s statements. The FCC isn’t about to issue a ruling that effectively holds homosexual conduct to a tighter standard for viewing than heterosexual conduct in a dance number.

  393. Lucy said what I was thinking. I don’t have any interest in seeing all of the sexual simulation on tv, BUT if they are allowing female/female and male/female acts then there is no reason not to allow male/male…. otherwise it is discrimination.
    I also didn’t care for Adam’s AMA performance, but that was mainly because of the vocals and the changes Adam did to the song. I wish he would have kept things more like the video, but to each his own and I was impressed with Adam’s save of the fall.

  394. Here’s the thing I don’t get about all the angry Adam fans … because of all the ‘outrage’ Adam sold a lot more records than he otherwise would have done. If you don’t believe me, check out how fast his album is falling on iTunes after those first few days of big sales.

    He has no radio play, so the controversy was his best friend. Why are so many of his fans angry at the one thing that saved his sales?

    He’d better find a way to upset some more people quickly, or else that album is going to drop down the charts just as fast as Kris’s.

  395. Here’s the thing I don’t get about all the angry Adam fans

    Um, I don’t think it’s the Adam fans that are angry. Or if they are, it’s a very small percentage. I think some are disappointed, for various reasons ranging from personally disliking the performance to being fine with it but worried that it may still negatively impact Adam in the future. At this point, days later, a lot of the outrage you read comes from those who actually prefer other Idols to begin with.

    But while lurking all the major sites (not just here, which isn’t a full impression), the majority of Adam fans aren’t the least bit angry at him. And they are pleasantly surprised that what could have been a disaster may have gained him some sales (although we will never really know how many he lost due to the performance itself) in increasing his visibility. So people that had forgotten who he was after the finale, casual fans who are not online and didn’t follow the tour, see some mention of him somewhere and go, “hey, I remember that guy, he was good, I think I’ll put him on my shopping list when I head out to Target.”

    As far as dropping down the iTunes charts, I’m amazed he’s hung up there this long. Do I wish he would stay up there? Sure! But during The Biggest Shopping Weekend Of The Year, I would also expect the biggest percentage of purchases to be physical CDs for gifts. He’s got Ellen next week, Barbara Walters the week after that, and at some point I imagine they’ll do a media debut of the FYE music video. So I think the promo tour has just begun.

  396. Adam is still in the top ten overall iTunes for his album and he has stayed at #5 in pop for several days, his singles are still pretty steady on both charts also. I certainly didn’t expect him to stay in the top ten for this long considering how quickly Krs’s album dropped. I am very pleasantly surprised but I really don’t know if it had anything to do with the AMA”s.

  397. I was just listening to Aftermath and reading the lyrics. Someone needs to sing this song TO Adam right about now! Just about every word speaks to his current situation.

  398. When you think about it, it’s a shame Adam has that whole American Idol albatross to carry on his shoulders.’ 

    Oh yeah what a shame he has it to carry. Too bad he wasn’t making it in the business and had to go on AI. If he didn’t want to go there he didn’t have to. I don’t buy it. Every idol has this to carry so I don’t really feel to sorry for him. It’s a shame that any of them have to carry it so I don’t feel too sorry for him.

  399. Oh yeah what a shame he has it to carry. Too bad he wasn’t making it in the business and had to go on AI. If he didn’t want to go there he didn’t have to. I don’t buy it. Every idol has this to carry so I don’t really feel to sorry for him. It’s a shame that any of them have to carry it so I don’t feel too sorry for him.

    Please. That “American Idol albatross” is a fan sentiment. Don’t mistake his angsty fans pronouncements as Adam’s own feelings. He has never been anything but complimentary and grateful to the whole Idol system. Sometimes I think he’s a one man PR machine for 19/RCA the way he continually shoots down arguments against the Evil Idol Machine in practically every interview.

  400. Agreed soverymel. The exact same thing is true of David Cook too. He plugs “the machine” every time he’s asked about the “albatross.”

    That doesn’t stop fans from wishing that either Adam or David could have made it big without AI and avoided the specter of Idol (the downside that goes with the up), because each truly is talented and deserving enough. Thems the breaks (or lack thereof) though. And, here we are…

    :-)

  401. Idol fans run to the stores the first few days. Then the stampede lessens so Idol albums usually get overestimated.

    I’m not “angry” about anything having to do with Adam. I’m angry about double standards and discrimination that make gay people less than full citizens. And I was angry about that long before the AMAs and GMA came along. … I obviously can’t speak for everybody, but I get the feeling that’s true of a lot of people who are posting here, at least.

  402. Adam has taken responsibility for getting carried away during the adrenline fueled live performance but ABC would like to pretend they fell victim to some manipulative schemer who rehearsed a completely different number and then busted out the S&M gear’ ¦. I call bullshit’ ¦..

    ITA! I call bullshit, too!
    I’m not saying Adam has no responsibility in the controversy. But, ABC saw the costumes,leashes and moves before the show aired. They edited out half of Eminem’s song. They could have edited out the crotch move.

    Double-standards aside, I think that the truth lies between these two extremes. Adam has said that the bj move was far less explicit (no contact, shorter) in rehearsals. He even went further with the kiss, which was different from the “hair pulling” that was planned in rehearsals. Adam admits that he let his “adrenaline” get the better of him and went substantially off script.

    IMO, the real reason for ABC’s actions in cancelling GMA is that Adam didn’t adhere to his rehearsal version of his performance closely enough, and the “bleepers” were taken by surprise, given their expectations. With Eminem (and others), I’m sure that the “bleepers” were prepared for censoring some parts of his song because they were knew what was coming from rehearsals. It’s a “punishment” for that, and really has nothing to do with ABC’s public statement that they couldn’t trust Adam to not give an “inappropriate” performance for morning television (which I think is BS).

  403. I agree with this comment. No matter what Adam says or does’ ¦its not his fault. Everybodys picking on Adam. Everyones jealous of Adam. He should just take responsibility for what he did and quit making excuses and blaming everyone else. His AMA performance was a big steaming pile of crap..it was not artistic, it served no purpose except for him to say ‘look at me’  look how shocking!! I can be. He sounded like crap too. How convenient everyone just overlooks that. Adams fan are starting to remind me of Claymates. Clay used to do and say stupid stuff all the time’ ¦and his fans always blamed everyone else. Poor Clay was always the victim too. This is getting old.

    Art is subjective. I don’t like Marilyn Manson’s music or shock value performances but I won’t say it isn’t art. Oooh the dreaded Claymates card…lol.

  404. IMO, the real reason for ABC’s actions in cancelling GMA is that Adam didn’t adhere to his rehearsal version of his performance closely enough, and the ‘bleepers’  were taken by surprise, given their expectations. With Eminem (and others), I’m sure that the ‘bleepers’  were prepared for censoring some parts of his song because they were knew what was coming from rehearsals. It’s a ‘punishment’  for that, and really has nothing to do with ABC’s public statement that they couldn’t trust Adam to not give an ‘inappropriate’  performance for morning television (which I think is BS).

    Networks are answerable to sponsors

    You’re saying he didn’t adhere to the rehearsal version of his performance on the AMAs and the censors were taken by surprise, yet it’s BS that they thought he might do same thing again (go off script) on the morning show. He himself said he was carried away in moment, so I don’t think it was at all far fetched for them to think it might happen again.

  405. adam is a great singer and a great guy.

    music-wise, i never understood the need to like the artist, just as i never understood the need to buy a whole album, when i only liked 1 or 2 songs.

    until adam.

    im a fan of him,the music and man.

    and short of him declaring world war 3, most likely will be till forever.

    the other celebrity i admire is angelina jolie. i guess i like people i admire to be just as open about their good side and bad side.

  406. Networks are answerable to sponsors

    You’re saying he didn’t adhere to the rehearsal version of his performance on the AMAs and the censors were taken by surprise, yet it’s BS that they thought he might do same thing again (go off script) on the morning show. He himself said he was carried away in moment, so I don’t think it was at all far fetched for them to think it might happen again.

    I think it’s a cop out. A morning show is a helluva lot different than the AMA’s. All they had to do is ask Adam not to perform FYE again but no. Adam wasn’t responsible to ABC but the AMA’s which is owned by Dick Clark Productions. I believe It was strictly a business decision loss of revenue and fanatical right wing groups threatening to take it to FCC that made them cancel the Adam’s GMA performance.

  407. Adam had the pimp cane but ABC’s is bigger, IMO.

    LOL!

    I don’t know if Adam sold more or less CDs due to his AMA performance and I am not sure it was a good long term move for Adam to put on a raunchy performance straight out of the Idol gate so to speak. Having to hear about it over and over is getting old. Maybe Tiger Wood’s mysterious car crash (according to TMZ the scratches on his face were made by his wife and she was attacking his car with a golf club, not trying to rescue him) will put the AMA story on the back burner. One can only hope.

  408. IMO, regardless of the motivation, ABC’s canceling Adam’s GMA appearance was the great miscalculation (fueled further by both CBS picking him up w/in moments as well as by CBS’ own miscalculation in its censoring some kisses and not others.) Because, without those subsequent events, Adam’s performance would be at the center of the scrutiny, rather than network programming decisions. ABC announcing Chris Brown’s appearance and possible performance, although unrelated, doused gasoline on the dying, but still flickering flames of controversy.

    It really has been rather fascinating to watch this all unfold, in my view.

    BTW, that’s not to say that I believe ABC was duped by Adam, as opposed to complicit (or at least hopeful) in starting controversy with his performance. They pumped his performance and its eye-dropping, jaw-dropping spectacle at every turn. And now, if there was any doubt before, he falls squarely within the ABC created moniker of one of the “most fascinating” people of the year. So, yeah, my gut tells me that ABC had a flow chart ready to go, lining up plans A, B, C and D depending on which direction the inevitable fallout from the AMAs took… Ratings are god. :-)

  409. Maybe Tiger Wood’s mysterious car crash (according to TMZ the scratches on his face were made by his wife and she was attacking his car with a golf club, not trying to rescue him) will put the AMA story on the back burner. One can only hope.

    I think it’s already over everywhere except in the Idol bubble, where for some reason we like to rehash everything a million times. Since ABC backpedaled and is having Chris Brown on 20/20 instead of GMA, with no live performance, there’s just no more juice to the story. I expect to see Tiger in the headlines today, not Adam.

  410. I expect to see Tiger in the headlines today, not Adam.

    I wish Tiger no ill will, but thank God.

  411. Since ABC backpedaled and is having Chris Brown on 20/20 instead of GMA, with no live performance, there’s just no more juice to the story. I expect to see Tiger in the headlines today, not Adam.

    Oh I didn’t know that! Interesting!

  412. edit: DON’T question the motives of your fellow posters or talk about the thread.

  413. “adam is a great singer and a great guy.

    music-wise, i never understood the need to like the artist, just as i never understood the need to buy a whole album, when i only liked 1 or 2 songs.

    until adam.

    im a fan of him,the music and man”

    I know what you mean…
    Sometimes, Mr. Lambert “the man” generates more interest than his music… (i’m not really into electronica and disco)… then again, “interesting” doesn’t always translate to me as something “positive”… as evident from Sunday’s event

  414. But while lurking all the major sites (not just here, which isn’t a full impression), the majority of Adam fans aren’t the least bit angry at him.

    It was interesting going to the Early Show a few days ago, and seeing the fans there. There were quite a few who didn’t like the AMA performance, but were still adament supporters of his. And then there were those, like me, who weren’t at all bothered by the AMAs. I really think the emotion of the first day or so took hold, but once that subsided, I see very few hardcore Adam fans up in arms over the incident.

    IMO, regardless of the motivation, ABC’s canceling Adam’s GMA appearance was the great miscalculation

    ITA – that cancellation may have been one of the best things to happen to Adam. It actually got people really talking about the double standard, and other related issues, and made Adam much more sympathetic in the whole scheme of things. He never played victim – as others said, he took complete responsibility for what he did, but that actually made it all the better. He owned up to it, didn’t shy away, and in the end ABC came off the worst for making a decision that many, even those who didn’t like the AMA performance, viewed as foolish, and made for foolish reasons.

  415. revcat, pleased and surprised to hear that GMA is not having Chris Brown on the morning show. I wish they wouldn’t air him at all, but happy that the world of scandal reporting is moving forward. I hope that Adam benefits from the media moving on to other targets.
    I believe that Adam is correct when he stated in the FAB interview that the focus on his performance is a generational issue, which can only mean good things for him in the future.

  416. sallysimmons
    11/28/2009 at 8:02 am
    Here’s the thing I don’t get about all the angry Adam fans ‘ ¦ because of all the ‘outrage’ Adam sold a lot more records than he otherwise would have done. If you don’t believe me, check out how fast his album is falling on iTunes after those first few days of big sales.

    He has no radio play, so the controversy was his best friend. Why are so many of his fans angry at the one thing that saved his sales?

    He’d better find a way to upset some more people quickly, or else that album is going to drop down the charts just as fast as Kris’s.

    LMAO!!! I am a fan but i am not angry fan. So i disagree with you sweeping statement. IMHO, some fans might be disappointed (i think angry is a strong word) because of ignorant statements are being posted by ignorant people. And for trolling hate. Hate is not good. LMAO! Personally, i am not angry. Why should i be angry if people are buying Adam’s CDs. LMAO!!!

  417. I think it’s already over everywhere except in the Idol bubble, where for some reason we like to rehash everything a million times. Since ABC backpedaled and is having Chris Brown on 20/20 instead of GMA, with no live performance, there’s just no more juice to the story. I expect to see Tiger in the headlines today, not Adam.

    Yup!!

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