We saw this coming, right?  The Hollywood Reporter confirms That Lee DeWyze has been dropped by RCA Records:

He avoided elimination all through his American Idol run, but Season 9 winner Lee DeWyze has reached the end of the road at RCA Records.

In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter last week, newly appointed RCA Records CEO Peter Edge confirmed that the 25-year-old DeWyze is no longer on the label. Under Sony Music CEO Doug Morris, who took the reigns in July, RCA has absorbed the rosters of Jive, Arista and J Records, all labels which have seen their share of Idols signings, both winners and runners up.

Lee continues to be managed by 19 and is working on new music. His option officially expired in September. Lee’s post-Idol debut, 010’s Live It Up, sold just over 168K.

A rep for Lee says he’s “in a good place right now” and is working on several projects.

 
  • Squirrellygirl

    I’m truly sorry to hear this. Although I wasn’t a huge fan of his, I do think he was a class act. I think AI treated him very badly, and didn’t respect him for being the winner that season. I hope Lee does better without that label.

  • ituneit

    Wow! That was faster than I thought. I thought he would at least get a shot at a second CD. The first CD’s of all the Idol winners are slapped together. They really lost a lot of money on him them.

  • desiree_chick

    I actually feel pretty horrible for him. He was my fav on season 9, but started to care for him less when I realized he was one of the most off key singers to have won the show, LOL. But really, my heart just sank reading this. At least he wanted to be a true musician, and produce the best music he can. They all do. Good luck to him, hope he can find an indie label.

  • zaclona

    uh, honestly… no, I didn’t saw this coming… isn’t that a bit too soon? or was that even truly necessary?

  • aprilfoolish

    I’m sorry to hear this only because it seems like a step backward, but sometimes things happen that turn out to be a blessing. I believe in Lee, his talent and his work ethic will carry him through. I hope he finds a better fit in his next step, and that he continues to make the music his fans love.

  • kvwicks13

    It seemed to me that RCA/19 was not a good match for Lee. Hopefully he is working on signing with a record company that is a better fit for him. As long as he keeps putting out new music, I will keep buying.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    but started to care for him less when I realized he was one of the most off key singers to have won the show

    I agree. Being dropped is no surprise (Lee is still listed on the rcarecords site ). Seems like a nice guy. Good luck to him.

  • Elliegrll

    They really lost a lot of money on him them.

    They didn’t spend a lot of money on the cd, so I doubt that lost a lot. It didn’t seem like they were ever confident that they could make money off of him, and they really weren’t fully invested in him.

    Here’s a great quote by Peter Edge in the THR article.

    “The best Idol results come from doing great A&R. The TV platform provides amazing coverage, but if you don’t have the right songs, it doesn’t really mean a whole hell of a lot, because we’ve seen American Idol winners come and go in a heartbeat. And we’ve seen them have great records, like Kelly Clarkson, starting with ‘Since U Been Gone.’ Or on the X Factor side, Leona Lewis, where ‘Bleeding Love’ gave her a double-platinum debut album; if she didn’t have those songs, her notoriety would have probably gone away. Those where the A&R wasn’t the best, or they weren’t willing to be A&R’d, they didn’t last.”

    I’ve been saying this for years, but I would amend it to read whether or not Sony/UMG are willing to do A&R for the idols. UMG has been good so far with everyone they’ve signed, but Sony never seemed like they were totally committed to developing every idol alum, or maybe it was a case where the alums just weren’t open to being developed, and taking in what the executives at Sony were telling them.

  • Trina

    Not a shock at all. And Lee didn’t sound like he was thrilled with them anyway in that interview he gave. At least he still has 19 on his side.

    I’ll be surprised if Crystal survived the RCA/Jive shake-up as well.

  • ituneit

    I don’t foresee Lee ever making it big unless he has a personality change. He just doesn’t have that quality that makes someone a star, that IT factor or as Simon says the x-Factor. Nor does he have a special voice. I’m not saying he’s not talented he’s just not remarkable in any way. I wonder if his Fiance will dump him now.

  • Chicagolaw

    He’s probably happier, and it seems like his old label has his back. He and RCA (or any major label at this day in age) were never going to be a great fit.

  • koshka

    shocked? Hardly.. although I’m amazed that that someone actually fessed up.

  • Pam

    This doesn’t surprise me at all. I figured any day now we would see this news. In fact, I’m surprised it didn’t happen before now. I think Lee is a nice guy basically but I still shake my head in disbelief at how he won last year. I do hope he can still be happy making the music he wants to make.

  • rihannsu

    From the description in the article it sounds like Sony decided not to pick up the option for the second album which is actually probably the best outcome for Lee because if they drop him then he doesn’t have to pay back any of the first album advance but if he asked to be let out of his contract then if the first album did not break even he could be liable for some of the first album advance. I doubt seriously that they broke even on the first album project regardless of how little promo they did.

  • jpfan

    I wonder if his Fiance will dump him now.

    I’m pretty sure she’s not there because she imagined he’d be a multi plat artist. That ship sailed. So I’m going with she loves him!

  • adolf_hipster

    Yes, this was long time coming. I bet he’s just 1 of many RCA/Jive/Arista artists getting dropped, the others are just not famous enough or from idol so we don’t know about them.

  • washyourhands

    Even if you aren’t a huge Lee fan, you still have to feel for the guy. I really hope he can move on and continue to do what he loves for himself and his fans.

  • oriharakaoru

    So it seems like RCA only signed a one year(ish) contract with Lee, eh? Has that changed from past years? Didn’t Kelly have, like, a 3 record deal or something or am I remembering that wrong?

  • tripp_ncwy

    rihannsu artists advances don’t have to be paid back no matter how many albums they sell. RCA simply did not pick up the option for a 2nd album which is essentially the same as being dropped since at that point the recording contract terminates.

  • idolhound2011

    I wonder what label he is doing his next album with. I dont care what label he is with. Sony never did anything right with Lee. I hope we get some Lee music on next album.

  • dadriany

    Wait…..I thought they dropped Lee after his album opened with 34K (That’s what I would have done, LOL) well anyways, the 2nd worst winner of American Idol after Taylor Hicks… Not surprised.

  • sr4mjc

    I’m shocked it took this long actually. When a previous label is selling old songs and the new label doesn’t seem the least bit interested in stopping it, the writing is on the wall. Maybe Lee can continue on with Wuli and his new fans and make a decent career. He never seemed major label material to me.

  • wordnerdarchie

    I’ve heard quite a bit of Lee’s music on internet radio, & it sounds pretty good actually. Now he can go be the alternative rock musician – that’s where he fits.

  • katielynne

    I’m not surprised at all, and in fact I expected it right after the finale of this season. Lee just does not have the “it” factor — too laid back, no personality and doesn’t stand out in the crowd.

  • Listening

    After selling 168K he gets dropped that sounded like a good little amount. I had adjusted my expectations of David Cook’s sales numbers and figured w/ a good single he could get around 150K and that would be good enough to stay signed but since they dropped Lee David’s gotta be next. I mean his only hope now is if he has a great tour hope people like him enough to see him live.

    I’m nervous oh well whatever happens happens. In regards to Lee I wonder if he’ll go back to his old label you know the one that has been releasing all hid old music I think it’s name was Wulli. They seem to really like him there.

  • tripp_ncwy

    So it seems like RCA only signed a one year(ish) contract with Lee, eh? Has that changed from past years?

    The standard contract is only for 1 album with options for x-number of additional albums which is generally 5 for the winners. If an option is not picked up the contract ends.

  • Elliegrll

    So it seems like RCA only signed a one year(ish) contract with Lee, eh? Has that changed from past years? Didn’t Kelly have, like, a 3 record deal or something or am I remembering that wrong?

    Technically, the idols are signed to 19R, and the labels have a certain number of options on them. The labels have the right to renew or not renew those options. 19 is the one that’s obligated to a certain number of years or albums, not the labels. This explains why alums are still with 19 even after they are dropped by the label. We saw that with Ruben, even though 19 didn’t do anything for him, despite the fact that his contract with them lasted for years after his deal with J Records ended.

  • Tess

    Didn’t Kelly have, like, a 3 record deal

    Usually a record deal is for 1 album with the label having the option to have you record X number of albums if they so desire. This means the label can drop you after the 1st album but an artist is contractually obligated to the label for the X number of albums….so the artist can’t go anywhere if the label wants to keep them.

  • edisto

    Hasn’t Wuli gotten some sort of affiliation with UMG in the last year. I feel so bad about this happening to Lee, but when one door closes another one opens. Plus I have heard many popular artists live and they might sound good on the radio but when they sing live my eardrums bleed.

  • adolf_hipster

    I wonder if David Cook gets to make 3rd album under Sony. My instincts say absolutely not, but on the other hand he made them some cash with his first album. And Jordin should be nervous too.

  • Eileen99

    This news isn’t surprising but I wish Lee well.

  • Trina

    I don’t think its so much the contract has changed, but I would imagine Kelly renegotiated her initial Idol/RCA contract at a certain point. Winners probably sign the same contract for the same amount of time and its up to the label to pick up the option for CD #2. Taylor got dropped after #1 as well as many runner-ups.

  • larc

    I have a feeling that Lee actually got dropped some time back and it’s just now being made official. It had likely already happened when he did that interview where he was a bit critical of RCA.

  • adolf_hipster

    So it seems like RCA only signed a one year(ish) contract with Lee, eh?

    Very unlikely. They want to tie them for many albums just in case they are successful. Bscly the label can drop them after any album (first, second, third, etc), but they can’t leave the label themselves until the contract is over (see Kelly Clarkson, after stronger she has to make 1 more album with them, after that her contract is up and she can leave or renegotiate).

  • TheOther

    I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. I can see more cuts coming.

  • Tess

    19 is the one that’s obligated to a certain number of years or albums, not the labels.

    So the Idolettes have a separate contract with 19 that guarantees them a pay day even if they fail on their first album? So does that mean 19 has to find a new label for Lee? Doesn’t quite sound right to me. Now it does sound right that 19 will be entitled to a percentage from any work Lee finds or a percentage from any future recordings but I think the contract favors 19. Now 19 may feel it is to their benefit to hold Lee to his contract because they see current and future revenues…though I personally can’t see the guy making any kind of lucrative comeback.

  • https://twitter.com/MatejaPraznik Mateja

    “The best Idol results come from doing great A&R. The TV platform provides amazing coverage, but if you don’t have the right songs, it doesn’t really mean a whole hell of a lot, because we’ve seen American Idol winners come and go in a heartbeat. And we’ve seen them have great records, like Kelly Clarkson, starting with ‘Since U Been Gone.’ Or on the X Factor side, Leona Lewis, where ‘Bleeding Love’ gave her a double-platinum debut album; if she didn’t have those songs, her notoriety would have probably gone away. Those where the A&R wasn’t the best, or they weren’t willing to be A&R’d, they didn’t last.

    Well, I think this basically says it all.

  • ross

    I saw a couple of live performances on YouTube (like one in Chicago, not too long after he won) where I thought he was just great. I was not a fan of his on Idol (still not, really) but the guy has talent. More than many pop stars. He’s a good artist. What’s sad is how the labels (or at least, Sony) don’t seem to know what to do with some of these talented people. Particularly if they seem to be meat-and-potatoes types of singers and not pop stars. Allison is another one. Obviously Adele is proof there’s a market.

    People want to buy the music of the performer they heard/loved on the show – not be disappointed by some compromise, like “Lee lite.” We saw Crystal go through some of these struggles. Or possibly Allison, and others. (For some reason Crystal’s low sales have never been such an issue, which is peculiar.)

    Anyhow, sorry Lee was dropped. Sorry when anyone gets dropped. It doesn’t have to be the end of the world, but it’s not easy. So good luck to him in his career. I like how he’s handled himself.

  • tripp_ncwy

    The questions that has been going back and forth on other threads about Lee’s writing sessions & who’s footing the bill is all but answered that it is most likely 19R or Lee himself. Sony/RCA has been out of the picture for a while.

  • artemis

    RCA never gave Lee the full Idol promo that previous winners received-his album was only moderately promoted. RCA no longer had the Idol contract when his album dropped and has no incentive to keep anyone who doesn’t sell large numbers of albums.
    I’m sure Lee has known this for awhile. He is currently in Nashville and has tweeted about some good things coming up, so I know he’ll continue to make music, hopefully for a label that’s more supportive than RCA has been.

  • LoveDaRocker

    The last Idol under Simon was dropped after just one album and sold less total albums than the first Idol after Simon will sell his first week. Someone should point this out to Simon.

  • JOJOSIE

    Dadriany, have you not been around Idol for a while. To say Taylor was less successful than Lee is kind of unbelievable. Taylor sold way more CD’s without radio support or even a single out for 2 months after his CD release. He had a popular commercial, wrote a book and was the first Idol winner to lead a solo tour very successfully,only Idol Winner to not sign at any time with 19. Don’t believe all the negative press, you can’t believe much that you read anymore. Saying that I think Lee maybe happier with a label that appreciates and supports him.

  • rihannsu

    tripp_ncwy says:
    10/06/2011 at 9:48 am

    rihannsu artists advances don’t have to be paid back no matter how many albums they sell. RCA simply did not pick up the option for a 2nd album which is essentially the same as being dropped since at that point the recording contract terminates.

    That’s not exactly how it works. The advance is recoupable and the artist doesn’t get any additional royalty payments until the advance is recouped. However when severing ties it does matter who is the one leaving. When the label drops the artist the artist is not required to make up the difference between what has been recouped and the total, however when the artist asked to be released from a contract the label can and sometimes does bill the artist for unrecouped advances. It all boils down to who does the jilting.

  • TheOther

    RCA never gave Lee the full Idol promo that previous winners received-his album was only moderately promoted.

    His Live It Up CD was mediocre at best. I don’t think any amount of promo could have turned it around. Lee was also not savvy enough to go out and promote himself. He never came across that interesting in interviews, live appearances.

  • wjmtv

    He was born an indie guy and he will always be one. Fortunately, thanks to the internets and all the little doodads created by Mr. Jobs, being an indie isn’t the “relegation to obscurity” that it once was.

    I’ve said it a thousand times, but I’ll say it once more. If you can make a living doing what you love, you’re a success. I cringe when people put words in the mouths of people they don’t know, but I’m pretty sure Lee would agree with me on that.

  • https://twitter.com/MatejaPraznik Mateja

    The last Idol under Simon was dropped after just one album and sold less total albums than the first Idol after Simon will sell his first week. Someone should point this out to Simon.

    Simon didn’t have much to do with Lee’s album or his promotion.

    Seriously, season 9 cast just didn’t have much potential for commercial success.. I mean, TOP 3 finishers all write their own music and are not popstar material. We all know how Crystal fought with Jive for her first single.

  • Tess

    only Idol Winner to not sign at any time with 19

    All Idolettes sign with 19R…otherwise they wouldn’t be on the show. And winners have to sign with 19R post winning…it is an extension of their initial contract. Now Taylor may not have signed with 19Management.

    Does anyone know how long the option is for 19R?

  • Nina1

    Awww. When I hear Lee, I am always surprised how much I like his voice. But that first album was a stinker.

  • car3278sweet

    Ah, well. Not surprised. But I have to admit that in the last couple of weeks, with the news of his writing and heading to Nashville, I thought… really? Could RCA really give him another album?

    Guess not. But Lee is going to be fine. IMHO he is the true definition of an indie. His music is not what’s popular currently on radio, but that doesn’t mean he won’t find/keep his audience. There will always be lovers of angsty folk rock. I think he’ll be perfectly fine doing his thing and making a living at it. I wish him luck.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    This doesn’t surprise me at all. I figured any day now we would see this news. In fact, I’m not surprised it didn’t happen before now.

    I’m sure that Lee has known for a while that he’d been dropped. The news has only been made public now.

    I have a feeling that Lee actually got dropped some time back and it’s just now being made official.

    I’m sure that’s true.

  • Trina

    Taylor always gets the short end of the stick. He’s kind of like Ruben in the sense that his sales are laughed at despite them being fine, just that a lower placed finisher outsold him. The fact that he sold nearly 800,000 without much promo and a moderate AC song is amazing.

    ETA: some of us the other day did TRY to explain that writing sessions doesn’t mean RCA is still in the picture nor does an out of date artist roster on RCA’s page. 19 has been known to set up writing sessions and help find labels. They did it for Ruben, Allison and Alex Lambert.

  • ross

    His Live It Up CD was mediocre at best. I don’t think any amount of promo could have turned it around. Lee was also not savvy enough to go out and promote himself.

    What’s Clear As Day? Medicre at best. Even the reviewers agree.
    How savvy is Scotty at “going out and promoting himself”? He’s going to freakin’ high school. They tell him what to do and he does it. Period. So -um, I guess I disagree that’s what Lee’s failure was about.

    ETA: I actually believe you can sell people almost anything. If you want to spend the money. However I will agree that the people have to make a star. The final decision rests with them. I think Lee could have been marketed better and differently, though, and had a reasonable success (which right now is what Scotty seems to be having. Not a gigantic success but a reasonable one. Which I don’t attribute entirely to him and his vast talent, any more than I attribute Lee’s failures entirely to Lee).

    UMG is new re Idol and Sony was on the way out, and that’s how it is.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Does anyone know how long the option is for 19R?

    It looks like up to 7yrs according to the S8 contract information. This would encompass the first album and six options for the related label can exercise for the winners.

  • kvwicks13

    I think people also seem to forget that the early idol winners sold alot more when the show was new and fresh. After David Cook won, the sales numbers of the winners started to drop. And even though Scotty is doing well, it is country music, and country music fans tend to buy albums. If he was a pop singer, we don’t know if he would have sold as well.

    I may be biased since I’m a Lee fan but I love his Live it Up album. I still listen to it daily in my car. I’d rather listen to him than any of those artists on the radio like Keisha, Rhianna etc.

  • Buffynut

    Kelly Clarkson, after stronger she has to make 1 more album with them, after that her contract is up and she can leave or renegotiate).

    Stronger is Kelly’s 5th studio album. Pretty sure she can leave RCA (and will) after this one. It will also be 10 years, this Spring, so she should be free of 19R too.
    Oh, and not surprised about Lee at all. I was surprised he didn’t get dropped right after the Season 10 finale. I would be surprised if his album didn’t end up in the red.

  • girlygirl

    The signs of this happening have been there for awhile. I think Lee will land on his feet at a small label where he can make the music he wants without the pressure of selling a ton of albums. Or maybe he’ll simply release his music on his own. From what he has said about RCA, I doubt he is all that upset about this, to be honest. I wish him good luck with his future music.

  • Niall

    No surprise and this has probably been working its way through legal for a few months, explaining why he hasn’t been answering questions about his label. There’s nothing unique or special about Lee and he never struck a chord with the record buying public. He’ll make a living, releasing indie CDs with Wuli and doing bar or club shows (though attendance will get a bit scarce the further away his AI win gets).

    He got a wife out of the whole deal so it’s not like it was a total disaster. Her career should keep them afloat.

  • artemis

    I’d say 19 has some faith in Lee-the interview that just surfaced recently where he made a less than positive remark about the label, was done in June, so he probably did know by then. Yet someone has been paying for the songwriting sessions,etc-it must be 19. He sure had good things to say about them in the interview.
    He’ll continue to write and perform music wherever he lands. I’ve heard him sing live twice this year, and he does not sing offkey. He’s an amazing and passionate performer who really gets an enthusiastic response from the audience.

  • hoa_teca

    ross, I disagree with what you said about “Clear as Day” because the quality of this CD is at least on par with country CDs out there. And only those follows Scotty on twitter knows how he and his family promotes his sales in a savvy way. His good relationship with his local radio station also helps him a lot – they have done a lot of things for him rather than just playing his songs.

    But well, that’s a different story and I don’t think we should drag Scotty into Lee’s issue.

    In some way, Lee has a laid-back attitude and nice personality that reminds me of Scotty. I do hope he will find a new label that supports him, maybe his old Wuli label. Or if he can write well, maybe he can develop his career as a song writer. One door close and the other door can open.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    some of us the other day did TRY to explain that writing sessions doesn’t mean RCA is still in the picture nor does an out of date artist roster on RCA’s page.

    I realize that, but in the past, the first public evidence that an Idol has been dropped has often been their disappearance from the artist roster on the label site. Usually, labels maintain an artist on their site after the artist has been dropped and before the news is made public.

  • suenigma

    Listening
    10/06/2011 – 9:54 am
    After selling 168K he gets dropped that sounded like a good little amount. I had adjusted my expectations of David Cook’s sales numbers and figured w/ a good single he could get around 150K and that would be good enough to stay signed but since they dropped Lee David’s gotta be next.

    I’m not sure if you’re looking at this the right way. They didn’t drop Lee because he only sold 168,000 albums, which isn’t terrible for a new artist, they dropped him because based on Idol 2nd album attrition rates he could only be expected sell a few thousand of his next album (without a hit single). Cook ‘s numbers, while disappointing, are not out of line with what a lot of other mid-tier RCA artists are selling ( eg. Gavin Degraw…) They also know that with the right sings he CAN sell.

  • Elliegrll

    So the Idolettes have a separate contract with 19 that guarantees them a pay day even if they fail on their first album?

    No, I don’t think that’s how it works. 19 can just wait until their deal expires, or both sides can agree to end the contract.

    So does that mean 19 has to find a new label for Lee?

    They could, but they didn’t do it for Ruben. His post Sony album was pretty much released independently, by using the same company that Elliot worked with. And so far, even though she’d been hinting at a deal, they haven’t done it with Allison.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I’d say 19 has some faith in Lee-the interview that just surfaced recently where he made a less than positive remark about the label, was done in June, so he probably did know by then.

    I don’t know if it is faith or the need to collect their 15%. Plus Lee has a mgmt contract with them for 3 yrs where they can still collect money. 19 has been setting up writing sessions for Allison and even Alex Lambert for a while now.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    the interview that just surfaced recently where he made a less than positive remark about the label, was done in June, so he probably did know by then.

    What interview was this? What did Lee say about RCA?

  • Elliegrll

    After selling 168K he gets dropped that sounded like a good little amount.

    The problem, that 168K had more to do with Lee being on AI than people supporting his music. I’ve said the same thing about Kris, Danny, and pretty much everybody else. This number is good for a new artist in Lee’s genre, but he needed to show the label that he’s marketable, which means people buying his music for the music, and not because he was on a television show, which is the only way that he and everybody else will have a long career. History has shown us that if AI alums don’t establish themselves in their genre that their subsequent album sales won’t be good.

  • Niall

    19 earns a percentage of Lee’s money and will keep him as long as he’s willing to pay them. Usually it’s the artist who changes management. Lee will stay with 19 in hopes they get him a miracle second major label.

  • ituneit

    I’m not sure if you’re looking at this the right way. They didn’t drop Lee because he only sold 168,000 albums, which isn’t terrible for a new artist, they dropped him because based on Idol 2nd album attrition rates he could only be expected sell a few thousand of his next album (without a hit single). Cook ‘s numbers, while disappointing, are not out of line with what a lot of other mid-tier RCA artists are selling ( eg. Gavin Degraw…) They also know that with the right sings he CAN sell.

    I agree with the above. Plus with Lee he didn’t generate any buzz whereas David did. I can see David getting another CD. I think dropping Allison was a mistake. The girl has some real raw talent. But I don’t think the label is concerned with developing artists anymore. They want them ready to go.

  • Trina

    Exactly. I mean I don’t know where David stands but at least he showed at one time he had the ability to sell, not just albums, but singles. Whether or not RCA tries for a 3rd album (maybe with more radio friendly songs or something idk) or they decide not to bother remains to be seen. But its not always as cut and dry as number of albums sold.

    Did the Idol concerts show Lee’s SS video at all? The one I went to only showed vids for David, Carrie and Kris. Or can they not show it since the song belongs to RCA?

  • LaRue

    He got a wife out of the whole deal so it’s not like it was a total disaster. Her career should keep them afloat.

    I imagine that Lee has made enough money to support himself.

  • Trina

    Exactly. I mean I don’t know where David stands but at least he showed at one time he had the ability to sell, not just albums, but singles. Hell even the mediocre CBTM went gold. Whether or not RCA tries for a 3rd album (maybe with more radio friendly songs or something idk) or they decide not to bother remains to be seen. But its not always as cut and dry as number of albums sold.

    Did the Idol concerts show Lee’s SS video at all? The one I went to only showed vids for David, Carrie and Kris. Or can they not show it since the song belongs to RCA?

  • jennyl

    Its positive news for me. lol! Now Lee can do what he wants and create the music he wants without the pressure of being ‘it’. I love indie artist. A lot of music I listen to are from ppl from whose label I have never even heard off. They are the true painters of their masterpiece to me. One my my fav indie artist gets his music played on TV series like Grey’s Anatomy, Scrubs all the time. Where ever Lee is going, I believe its going to be exciting and I can’t wait for his new album. Lee is one artist that I can say I will be following his career and music for life.

  • windmills

    Buffynut: Stronger is Kelly’s 5th studio album. Pretty sure she can leave RCA (and will) after this one. It will also be 10 years, this Spring, so she should be free of 19R too.

    No, Kelly herself has confirmed she owes them 1 more studio album after Stronger. Remember they renegotiated her contract at least once and the renegotiation probably resulted in tacking on an extra album option for RCA as part of the terms.

    Not surprised by the news. Good luck to Lee and his fans. He’s still ahead of where he was pre-Idol.

  • Landmd

    Its positive news for me. lol! Now Lee can do what he wants and create the music he wants without the pressure of being ‘it’.

    I agree! I am looking for to his next album!! Fan for life! :)

    ETA: The link to the interview (see Artemis post below) the girl looks a lot like Amy Winehouse.

  • luly

    I hope that he will end up with a smaller label that he will be happy at.

  • artemis

    fuzzywuzzy-Here is the Altar TV interview:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUBfb-axPmQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVnRXf99n4

    The quote I was referring to is in the second link.

  • Tess

    I think the reason for an Artist searching for and going with a major label is that there is a “big” machine behind the label that is concerned with marketing, promo, and sales. But, like anything that is corporate America, labels tend to reward those who are marketable, promotable, and who tend to sell…so it is up to the Artist to make sure they are doing everything possible to reach their market.

    Artists who go indie don’t have the machine so it is harder to sell, get gigs, work with radio, get their voice out there. Being an Indie Artist is really a 24/7 gig because so much depends on the artist themselves…something so simple for the biggies like finding session musicians can be an ordeal for an Indie…not to miss the point that musicians want cash for a gig.

    So I don’t think most singers would opt for an Indie over a major if they had the choice unless they had a big personal bank roll so they don’t have to sweat the small stuff.

  • ross

    ross, I disagree with what you said about “Clear as Day” because the quality of this CD is at least on par with country CDs out there. And only those follows Scotty on twitter knows how he and his family promotes his sales in a savvy way. His good relationship with his local radio station also helps him a lot – they have done a lot of things for him rather than just playing his songs.

    But well, that’s a different story and I don’t think we should drag Scotty into Lee’s issue.

    Please don’t take it the wrong way. I was answering someone who said Lee didn’t sell because his CD was mediocre and he didn’t go out there and promote himself. So I said critics (not me, I haven’t even listened to it) have said CAD is mediocre, and that I haven’t seen Scotty self-promoting a lot – meaning, more than Lee. Yet Scotty is selling like hotcakes (at least, for an Idol winner, these days). So maybe other issues play a part.

    As for “dragging” in Scotty, it’s just that he won this year, and Lee won last year. There will be a lot of comparisons and that’s natural.

  • Nele621

    When you see Kris’s promo and Scotty’s promo, you can see that Lee was treated like crap. I think his non-appearance on S10 AI finale was the crowning blow. I hope Lee finds a label that treats him like he deserves.

  • Elliegrll

    Or can they not show it since the song belongs to RCA?

    RCA doesn’t own the songs, they license them from 19R.

    When you see Kris’s promo and Scotty’s promo, you can see that Lee was treated like crap. I think his non-appearance on S10 AI finale was the crowning blow. I hope Lee finds a label that treats him like he deserves.

    You are talking about things that 19M would be in charge of, not RCA. I don’t think that 19M has done a good job of helping the Sony labels, and I can’t help but think that UMG addressed this problem before they agreed to sign a deal to be the knew label for AI.

  • Mary102

    I wish Lee the best, but gotta say I’m not feeling too bad about this – he was a mediocre bland singer on arguably the worst season. There are college kids singing out of their dorms all over America who are better and more charismatic.

    The music biz is hard, and way more talented people out there never had the chance he had. Sorry that’s kinda harsh, but I can’t help but think that.

  • larc

    Nele621 says:
    I think his non-appearance on S10 AI finale was the crowning blow.

    That was a super crappy thing for Idol to do, IMO. Even if Lee hadn’t sold well, he was the previous season’s winner. They should have at least acknowledged him because of that.

  • Elliegrll

    I was answering someone who said Lee didn’t sell because his CD was mediocre and he didn’t go out there and promote himself. So I said critics (not me, I haven’t even listened to it) have said CAD is mediocre, and that I haven’t seen Scotty self-promoting a lot – meaning, more than Lee. Yet Scotty is selling like hotcakes (at least, for an Idol winner, these days). So maybe other issues play a part.

    Scotty has had a lot more promo than Lee. He’s also handled himself very well in interviews, and knows how to speak up for himself, talk about his album, and promote his songs, even the ones that haven’t been singles. I’m a fan of Kris, and I was rooting for Lee, but both could learn a thing from Scotty and Lauren about how to deal with interviews, even when the interviewers are trying to bait them, or dismiss them because of AI.

    Unlike Lee, Scotty hasn’t had to deal with a lot of negative press because of AI. The one time that it looked like he was going to have an issue, the article that was written about PDs who didn’t want to play his music, UMG jumped on it, and started promoting the early success of his coronation song. Neither RCA or 19M helped Lee deal with the negativity and bad press that he received after his season of AI. For the most part, Lee disappeared from the public eye right after the season, and then released an album without a lot of buildup or promotion.

  • HermeticallySealed

    I’m wondering if Wuli is taking him back on then? It would make sense, since they are still releasing his older stuff, and have generally been pretty supportive of him.

  • lucy95

    Not a big Lee fan, but do think he got the short end of the stick from RCA. On the other hand, he seems to want to play the brooding bad boy and probably would benefit from a smaller indie label. Seems that the Idol experience is a bit rough for many of these people, but yet it does offer them a nice opportunity to get themselves out there.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    fuzzywuzzy-Here is the Altar TV interview:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUBfb-axPmQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVnRXf99n4

    The quote I was referring to is in the second link.

    Thanks, artemis. :) What Lee said about RCA was pretty mild, IMO and I’m pretty sure that kind of attitude from the label is kind of standard. What I don’t get is why he’s so high on 19, when they were responsible for him having to release a cover rather than an original song and also responsible for his promotion as the Idol winner (or lack thereof)?

  • Yvonne13

    I’ve said it a thousand times, but I’ll say it once more. If you can make a living doing what you love, you’re a success. I cringe when people put words in the mouths of people they don’t know, but I’m pretty sure Lee would agree with me on that

    I have this conversation daily with my husband in regard to the major my son has chosed at college (which doesn’t meet my husband’s approval as being “lucrative” enough). I envy anyone who gets up in the morning and looks forward to going to work, and I truly think that Lee does just that. And I also think his fiancee is in it for the long haul. She is well aware of what’s gone on (or hasn’t) and has stayed by his side.

  • oriharakaoru

    For the people saying Lee (or any artist) doesn’t have to pay back their advance (which encompasses all recording expenses), this entertainment lawyer disagrees:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcwgdB0NltY

  • Buffynut

    Lee also had the horrible coronation cover single too. Poor guy! First time the coronation single was a cover. I mean No Boundaries was bad, but at least it was an original! Kris had Heartless too. :)
    No buzz from the season (deemed the worst season ever by press and many fans), low tour attendance, and no coronation single to carry him until the album. Lee was doomed!

  • LaRue

    The music biz is hard, and way more talented people out there never had the chance he had. Sorry that’s kinda harsh, but I can’t help but think that.

    Lee shouldn’t apologize for the opportunities he’s had. He’s done the best he could, I’m sure.

    Life isn’t fair. Lots of smart people don’t get chances to prove themselves. But that shouldn’t stop anyone else from taking advantage of what’s been offered to them.

    I’m a fan of Kris, and I was rooting for Lee, but both could learn a thing from Scotty and Lauren about how to deal with interviews, even when the interviewers are trying to bait them, or dismiss them because of AI.

    I thought Kris and Lee grew a lot in that regard. Scotty will, too, because so many are suggesting he’s boring. And Lauren gets a lot of flak for being too cute and fresh. I don’t get the complaints, but they are out there.

    That sort of thing comes down to preferences and how management handles the artist, IMO.

  • ross

    Scotty has had a lot more promo than Lee. He’s also handled himself very well in interviews, and knows how to speak up for himself, talk about his album, and promote his songs, even the ones that haven’t been singles. I’m a fan of Kris, and I was rooting for Lee, but both could learn a thing from Scotty and Lauren about how to deal with interviews, even when the interviewers are trying to bait them, or dismiss them because of AI.

    Kris’s hilarious comments are the main reason I listen to his interviews. Like Matt Nathanson and Ingrid Michaelson, it’s a bonus if a performer happens to be witty. Lee has a really good way with interviews, I think he’s sensible and intelligent. My respect for him has grown immensely, based on his interviews alone. I think both have fielded questions with immense tact, over and over again. I’ve listened to hundreds of Kris’s interviews, never saw him raise to any bait, bad mouth anyone, lose his cool, or complain. You think that’s easy, try it. Scotty seems like a pretty cool cat. I have to admit I don’t intend to listen to or read many of the Scotty/Lauren interviews because neither interests me as a performer. They have their good and bad points just like anyone else.

  • BAPC

    First time the coronation single was a cover.

    Didn’t Ruben cover Westlife’s “Flying Without Wings” for his coronation single?

  • Buffynut

    BAPC says:

    10/06/2011 at 11:44 am

    First time the coronation single was a cover.

    Didn’t Ruben cover Westlife’s “Flying Without Wings” for his coronation single

    Yes, you are correct. Wasn’t a Ruben fan back then and did not even realize that was a cover. Thanks for the correction!

  • Kitwana

    “The best Idol results come from doing great A&R. The TV platform provides amazing coverage, but if you don’t have the right songs, it doesn’t really mean a whole hell of a lot, because we’ve seen American Idol winners come and go in a heartbeat. And we’ve seen them have great records, like Kelly Clarkson, starting with ‘Since U Been Gone.’ Or on the X Factor side, Leona Lewis, where ‘Bleeding Love’ gave her a double-platinum debut album; if she didn’t have those songs, her notoriety would have probably gone away. Those where the A&R wasn’t the best, or they weren’t willing to be A&R’d, they didn’t last.”
    He left out some important points. First, the label is always right when it comes to A&R even when it is so often wrong. Second, those artists who disagree with the label’s A&R will receive no support from the label and will actually see their work actively undermined until the artist agrees to go back to doing the music the label wants. See Kelly Clarkson and Clive Davis and My December. Third, labels are evil and will always take credit for success and blame the artist for failures. I think that’s all. Can someone ask Peter Edge what he thinks of that?

  • idolfan92

    I thought Lee’s Live it Up album was pretty damn good. He seems happy with where he’s at right now though, and that’s what’s important.

  • stay4awhile

    Whatever. He’s still my favorite person ever to set foot on the Idol stage.

  • kvwicks13

    Ross, I agree with you, Scotty and Lauren are not my cup of tea. I actually haven’t followed either of them at all.

    Lee has had one bad break after another since he won idol. I think he’s handled himself with class and I will continue to follow him. I’m a fan for life.

  • Montavilla

    No buzz from the season (deemed the worst season ever by press and many fans), low tour attendance, and no coronation single to carry him until the album. Lee was doomed!

    But you can’t get away from Lee’s own opportunity to turn that around. The only thing he really didn’t have power over was the decision not to create a coronation song that season (probably because it turned out to be so humiliating for Kara the year before). Everything else was up to him.

    Lee could have knocked his Idol performances out of the ball-park and brought up the season. He could have delivered great performances on that tour and at least gotten the press to re-evaluate him. He could have taken what press opportunities he had and run with them.

    But I don’t think he would have been comfortable with that, and I don’t think he needs to be. It’s just that if he’s not comfortable demanding that people listen to him, he’s not going to be a superstar. He’ll have to settle for just being a star. :)

    You don’t get onto Idol without extraordinary talent. You don’t get beyond Idol without extraordinary hustle.

  • swish5

    I think what we saw coming is “Lee’s in a good place right now”. He has great reviews from his concerts, he’s working on songs / albums that represent him as a artist, he’s engaged to Jonna, and he has another door open to the music/movie industry. He’s fine.

  • Elliegrll

    I don’t think the quality of the album is the issue. Most people aren’t going to give an album a shot just for the heck of it, everything starts with promotion. People both inside and outside of the idol bubble weren’t going to give the album a chance, because of the negative press that Lee received after idol, and then he was treated as a nonentity. He released a single that didn’t fit him, but he was really never given a legitimate shot at showing that he could build a stable career.

  • soverymel

    I feel bad for Lee, but it sounds like he and RCA never really agreed on his musical direction, so maybe it’s for the best.

    But now it makes me wonder, since that interview where Lee wasn’t exactly positive about RCA was actually given back in June, if possibly the whole non appearance on the Idol finale crap in May was because the writing was already on the wall, if not a done deal. Nigel probably didn’t want a winner that the higher ups already knew was being dropped associated with his shiny new version of Idol.

  • https://twitter.com/MatejaPraznik Mateja

    Didn’t Ruben cover Westlife’s “Flying Without Wings” for his coronation single?

    Oh Yeah. Here is the original.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1LEISP6e9c

    Westlife used to be signed to Simon Cowell’s label Syco. They are still managed by Louis Walsh (X Factor judge). They now moved to RCA and they are releasing a single (written by Gary Barlow, lol) and Greatest Hits album in November. They plan to go on a break. I think it’s pretty much the end for them. They are stuck with ballads and X Factor boybands are younger and more current.

  • Mtlfan

    seems he’s back with his old label. He’ll be happier imo

    He might have only sold in the 160K figure but a lot of artists selling less can make a living out of their music, so i’m not worried for Lee

  • ross

    Lee could have knocked his Idol performances out of the ball-park and brought up the season. He could have delivered great performances on that tour and at least gotten the press to re-evaluate him. He could have taken what press opportunities he had and run with them.

    I thought he got excellent reviews on tour?

    You don’t get onto Idol without extraordinary talent. You don’t get beyond Idol without extraordinary hustle.

    Again, this must mean Scotty is doomed too because I don’t see that in him. Lee had the hustle to work on a music career on his own, before Idol; he was out there, he made a couple of records, which indicates to me he hustles like anyone else.

  • jason1313

    my bet is that 19 will drop lee soon

    allison on the other hand has full 19 backing thay have her doing shows and she is doing a whole lot of studio time and writing with artist.

    as long as 19 is taking care of allison i have no problem that she is taking her time picking a label for herself

  • TurkeyIdol

    Unless something unforeseen comes about, I can see David Cook’s album not even getting to the 160K Lee’s album has sold, and RCA will boot Cook also. They are a business not a make a wish company, and it all comes down to sales! :)

  • Blower

    Not really surprise. I figured any day we would see this announcement because of mediocre post idol album, poor number of sales, poor treatment from his management. and unfortunately he seems forgettable, maybe because almost nobody care about season 9.

    I hope he will find his own success with other label and make a good music which he love. Good luck for your future Lee..

  • Tera2

    He didn’t even get a second chance for second CD. Well, this will teach them to learn how to pick songs that are good and radio friendly like Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry and Carrie, and for idol and its fans to pick marketable people who knows their music like those 3. Lee only sang one song “Firefly” that I liked on idol so its not shocking he can’t pick the right songs, and most of his inspirations are old fashion singer-song writers, its no surprise he doesn’t know the right songs that works for radio. I don’t feel pity for Lee for getting dropped – he picked mediocre and bland songs for his CD, and then refused to go on stage to give the trophy to Scotty on finale day when Nigel asked him. But I hope he continues to do decently and have income in music in his own way even if he has no record deal.

  • jennyl

    I don’t feel pity for Lee for getting dropped

    lol! Lee doesn’t need it.

    then refused to go on stage to give the trophy to Scotty on finale day when Nigel asked him.

    I’m sure Scotty will be happy to do it for the next idol winner. :)

  • lucy

    Lee had the hustle to work on a music career on his own, before Idol; he was out there, he made a couple of records, which indicates to me he hustles like anyone else.

    Good point.

    I think the only real “lessons” from this are that it’s really really hard to make it in the music business and often pretty impossible to know why one person does and another doesn’t, and that it’s really really hard to make a major label happy, and increasingly so as the years go on. And we knew those things before.

    Like so many other Idol alums before him, Lee has better name recognition, more contacts, and more experience going for him now than he did before Idol. Ergo, if he hustles to the extent that he did before Idol, he should do better now. Not so bad, all things considered. About 99 percent of people in the music business probably are wishing right now that they had the same advantages, actually.

  • Trina

    Scotty won’t get treated like Lee did at the finale because I’m sure they already view him as a bigger success and proof that the new and improved Idol worked its magic.

  • Blower

    Hemmm.. I can smell fan war between Lee fans and Scotty fans

    *run and hide*

  • jennyl

    Scotty won’t get treated like Lee did at the finale because I’m sure they already view him as a bigger success and proof that the new and improved Idol worked its magic.

    Most definitely Scotty won’t get treated like Lee. I’m just saying that if people thinks that giving a trophy to the idol winner is so important and its what they like to see, then I’m sure Scotty will be happy to do it.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    You don’t get onto Idol without extraordinary talent.

    Totally disagree. There have been too many finalists (and even some winners) who have far from “extraordinary” talent.

    You don’t get beyond Idol without extraordinary hustle.

    That’s only part of it. You have to find a way to broaden your fanbase and appeal to the public beyond Idol, and that’s usually based on the music and radioplay.

  • swish5

    It’s Scotty’s stage right now – he deserves it.
    (just as Lee was graciously given his stage last year…)

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  • Nele621

    Lee could have knocked his Idol performances out of the ball-park and brought up the season.

    Did Scotty? I’m remembering many people saying Scotty played it safe week after week, and was the same-o. Scotty was lucky there were many good S10 performers, which as a whole made the entire season entertaining and successful.

    Unfortunately for Lee, the S9 finalists were as whole not too exciting.

  • Barbiedoll

    I’m not a Lee fan, but I do feel bad for him and wish him well. Being the winner of American Idol and getting dropped by the label usually means the kiss of death. When Taylor Hicks got dropped, he fell off the face of the earth.

    I also think Scotty will have much more success than Lee. Country music is hot right now.

  • Studio57

    Bummer. Sorry Lee fans. I don’t think this has to do with anything but the type of genre he is in. Light HAC rock like Lee’s, Kris, Cooks just aren’t huge sellers( Edit: anymore unless you are an already established artist). Once in awhile they will write a mainstream hit that appeals to the public but mostly these artists are reserved for people that casually like to listen to their music. Alot like Matt Nathanson. He reminds me exactly of these three- and there is nothing wrong with that- they will just never be mega-sellers. He’ll be better off with a smaller label.

    It doesn’t mean he is any less talented that Scotty ( and personally that kid creeps the bejeebus outta me), it’s just that Scotty came along at just the right time- country is hot right now ( again, this bugs the shit out of me but whatevs, it is what it is) just like Daughtry’s type of rock was when he w as on. Perfect timing.

  • larc

    Tera2 says:
    and then refused to go on stage to give the trophy to Scotty on finale day when Nigel asked him.

    Nigel asked Lee at the last minute while the show was actually in progress. Arrangements for this kind of thing are usually made in advance and will involve at least a prior walk through. You don’t just saunter up to somebody and ask them to appear on national TV with no opportunity for preparation. I would have told Nigel much more than just “no” if he had been unprofessional enough to ask me under the same circumstances. Lee should be commended for being as civil as he was.

  • Elliegrll

    When Taylor Hicks got dropped, he fell off the face of the earth.

    Except for being paid a couple of million dollars just to appear in Grease for a few minutes, first on Broadway then during the touring show. The people at Jimmy Fallon’s show thought he was recognizable enough to include him in the “Friday” cover that they did with Steven Colbert.

  • Barbiedoll

    Except for being paid a couple of million dollars just to appear in Grease for a few minutes, first on Broadway then during the touring show. The people at Jimmy Fallon’s show thought he was recognizable enough to include him in the “Friday” cover that they did with Steven Colbert.

    What has in done in music?

  • edisto

    I think that outside the American Idol watchers no one cares about any of this. I only watched the season 9 at the end of it and fell in love with Lee, his personality (and he has it it’s just quiet and intelligent), and his musical sound. And who the heck buys whole albums? other than a small handful of artists i really like i might pick a song or two, but noone likes every song on an album unless they are a fan. (and yes i did download all of live it up and multiple songs on his pre-idol cd’s)

  • Elliegrll

    Bummer. Sorry Lee fans. I don’t think this has to do with anything but the type of genre he is in. Light HAC rock like Lee’s, Kris, Cooks just aren’t huge sellers

    They don’t have to be huge sellers. Look at the roster of any label, not every artist is as huge as Gaga, but the label is still making money off of these people. Nathanson doesn’t sell a lot of albums, but his label knows what he’s capable of selling, and they know that there’s an audience for his music, so they budget accordingly.

  • Elliegrll

    What has in done in music?

    He’s released one or two albums independently since he was dropped, but without a label and promotion, they didn’t sell well.

  • Nele621

    Except for being paid a couple of million dollars just to appear in Grease for a few minutes, first on Broadway then during the touring show.

    A couple million? Every idol should do that, and they’ll be set for the entire year and then some.

  • larc

    I think Taylor has done reasonably well financially. He produces his own albums. Even if they aren’t big sellers, everything above production and distribution costs goes into Taylor’s pocket. Cut out all those middle men and you can sell fewer CDs and net the same or even more money. This may be the best route for Lee.

  • Nele621

    Light HAC rock like Lee’s, Kris, Cooks just aren’t huge sellers

    What do you categorize Daughtry? He and Cook sound so similar. Kris’s sound isn’t anything like Cook (or Daughtry).

  • Barbiedoll

    Sorry, but I doubt Taylor Hicks made any money selling albums that didn’t sell well, especially if the expenses came out of his own pocket.

    But, my point is that AI winners who get dropped are instantly stigmatized as failures. Not easy to overcome.

  • Studio57

    What do you categorize Daughtry? He and Cook sound so similar. Kris’s sound isn’t anything like Cook (or Daughtry

    I consider Cook like Lifehouse. Kris, And Lee along the lines of ( like I said) OAR, Matt Kearney Mat Nathanson, etc. Not the same sound but the same type of artists- more college type light rock. But they are all light rock.

    Daughtry = Nickelback, Hinder, Three Days Grace, etc. More mainstream rock.

    I don’t think Daughtry and Cook have the same type of rock whatsoever, but to each their own :)

  • Elliegrll

    But, my point is that AI winners who get dropped are instantly stigmatized as failures. Not easy to overcome.

    I thought your point was that they vanished? It’s hard to come to this new conclusion too, since Lee is just the third winner who has been dropped. It’s just Taylor, Ruben and Lee, and technically J Records exercised all of the options that they had with Ruben, and his deal with them was over.

    The producers of Grease had no problem with Taylor supposedly having this stigma. He would just appear on stage to sing one song, and then they let him sing one of his own songs at the end of the show, but they still paid him a lot of money. More money than someone who would normally play that role would get. They did it because they thought that just like Clay did with Spamalot, that he could bring people out to the show, and I guess he did since they kept him around for the tour.

    Looking at Ruben, the stigma didn’t hurt him either. He’s released an album, gotten some airplay on Urban AC stations, even without a label, recorded songs with other acts, and now he has a new deal.

  • Elliegrll

    It’s not easy when anyone loses their contract, and the odds of anyone, not just people from AI, signing another major label deal are small. But, that doesn’t mean that these people will stop performing or making music.

  • tls62

    Eh. Not a fan of Lee, but this isn’t a huge deal IMO. It’s obvious, to me anyway, Lee isn’t suited for a major record label. So RCA didn’t work out for him. No biggie. He’s a lot further ahead now than he would have been without Idol, and he’ll likely continue to make a decent living selling his music. Not everyone is suited for big labels. No shame in that.

  • Landmd

    It’s not easy when anyone loses their contract, and the odds of anyone, not just people from AI, signing another major label deal are small. But, that doesn’t mean that these people will stop performing or making music.

    LA Reid the other day was talking about dropping Gaga and is now kicking himself. How many times did Katy Perry get dropped before she found a home? Now I realize this is pop but it applies to a number of artist in different genres.

  • Montavilla
    He could have delivered great performances on that tour and at least gotten the press to re-evaluate him.

    I thought he got excellent reviews on tour?

    My impression was that Casey James was the one getting the best press. But I could very well be wrong about that. Glad to get the correction!

    Lee had the hustle to work on a music career on his own, before Idol; he was out there, he made a couple of records, which indicates to me he hustles like anyone else.

    That indicates to me that he had ordinary hustle. Just about everyone I know that tries for a music career puts out a cd or several. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have extraordinary hustle, just that I’ve never seen it.

    Scotty was lucky there were many good S10 performers, which as a whole made the entire season entertaining and successful.

    I agree. Scotty lucked into a great season. Lee didn’t have that same luck, but I wasn’t talking about the things Lee couldn’t control. I’m talking about the things he could.

    But I’m also not saying that Lee was terrible or lazy. He wasn’t at all. He’s just more laid-back. And he’s still going to have a good career that meshes with his personality and comfort level.

    It’s just maybe not the career that impresses Nigel Lythgoe or RCA.

  • Tal.

    well… i tought RCA has changed, but thay remaind peices of shit… seriously, no reason to drop lee… yeah he wasent selling like other idols but there are lots of nobodys and failures that are still signed under RCA ,whats up with that? and for those who mention that country justin bieber – scotty, do me a favor, every country and pop singer will sell albums, i guess that nonauto-tuned artist arent to be reconginzed .. sure… carrie is talented as my shoe , same goas for scotty which has a nice voice but still far from being called an artist…

  • rocklet1

    crystal might be next

  • Barbiedoll

    Elliegrll, I don’t think music is Taylor’s thing if he has a hard time selling it. You said so yourself that his albums didn’t sell well. Maybe he would do better in acting because of this Grease gig he got. I don’t know, nor do I care. I did like Taylor when he was on AI, but he hasn’t done anything since then to interest me.

    Sorry, but I do think the stigma of getting dropped does hurt them to a certain extent, so I would have to disagree with you, but hey, if Lee can overcome this, more power to him, but it won’t be easy.

  • Tal.

    crystal has no record label

  • Kirsten

    Sorry, but I doubt Taylor Hicks made any money selling albums that didn’t sell well, especially if the expenses came out of his own pocket.

    Ah, but that is the beauty of self-financed albums. You don’t have to sell a lot to make money.

    While an artist will make a buck and change (subject to recoupment and minus the 10% hold-back for breakage which no longer occurs) from each album sold on a major label, they keep a lot more of the profit on a self-produced album.

    Taylor’s “The Distance” sold 52K according the latest figures we have. That’s not a lot for a major studio album, but it is for a self-produced album.

    Now, let’s take a look at this handy graphic of relative money made per unit (it looks at how much does an artist have to sell to make $1,160 per month – which isn’t a lot, but it’s an interesting reference point to compare different deals and revenue streams against).

    Earning Graphic

    A Self-pressed CD sold for $9.99 probably makes the artist about $8 (I think that one of the deals that Taylor had was that his CD was sold at those “Grease” tour stops. While he probably had to remit more to the venue/touring compnay, he also probably sold them for more than $10). The important thing is that you make close to 8 times the revenue being your own label. That is like selling 416K (if you sell 52K) which isn’t bad when you really control costs.

    But, my point is that AI winners who get dropped are instantly stigmatized as failures. Not easy to overcome.

    No it is not. But, they are still more famous than your average bear, so if they are willing to work at it, they don’t have to end up eating dog food. An independent album isn’t the worst idea.

    Of course, the best idea is always to invest your money wisely. Many a person has made a lot of money on their first album and disappeared into obscurity with the next regardless of whether they were on Idol or not.

    I think Lee should work to keep his existing fans, continue to work with Wuli who has been great for him and try to keep his name out there.

  • cmom

    As someone who follows @thedavidcook and @davidarchie, it has been an interesting learning curve watching them and the other Idols work with and without Sony/RCA/Jive. When Archie split with Jive, you would think that it meant that he did not have a big label behind him like I did. Then months after that split Sony Phillipines and Sony Malasia, etc. full-out backed him in his very successful concert series over there. So there is never a true split. If they want to back something/someone they will do it in other ways. Jive was good and bad for Archie. Good because of the beginning of his career and bad because they really, really wanted to market him as a teen heartthrob and force his music down a certain path. It might have helped him make more money but he is too personally musically powerful and he actually loves music more than fame. So, I don’t know what to think of Lee’s situation.

  • Barbiedoll

    Kirsten, thank God Taylor had the Grease gig to help him sell cds or else his sales would have been far worse. Other than a few songs, that cd was horrible.

  • Elliegrll

    Elliegrll, I don’t think music is Taylor’s thing if he has a hard time selling it. You said so yourself that his albums didn’t sell well. Maybe he would do better in acting because of this Grease gig he got. I don’t know, nor do I care. I did like Taylor when he was on AI, but he hasn’t done anything since then to interest me.

    I said that he didn’t sell a lot, because he doesn’t have a label and because of lack of promotion. That doesn’t mean that he didn’t make any money. But, my main point is that neither Taylor or Ruben has vanished, or stopped making music.

    Other labels will wonder why these people were dropped, and why they couldn’t do better after having AI as a launching pad, but that doesn’t mean that they won’t be resigned (Ruben just signed onto another label.)

  • car3278sweet

    Montavilla says:
    10/06/2011 at 2:35 pm
    He could have delivered great performances on that tour and at least gotten the press to re-evaluate him.

    I thought he got excellent reviews on tour?

    My impression was that Casey James was the one getting the best press. But I could very well be wrong about that. Glad to get the correction!

    You are not wrong. I read all of them. I am a fantard, admittedly. And CJ got the best reviews overall.

    I have to admit that my sympathy for Lee was elevated as I read the reviews because many of them were down right mean to Mr. DeWyze. They really went after him. Maybe because he as the winner? I don’t know. But I felt bad for him.

  • Nele621

    It might have helped him make more money but he is too personally musically powerful and he actually loves music more than fame.

    If Archie doesn’t want the fame, then he definitely should NOT go with a major label.

  • unidentified

    Eh, not a Lee fan, but he’s ahead of the game. He’s an Idol winner. Always will be. So some name recognition. Plenty of also-rans make a good living with their music. If he works hard, no reason he shouldn’t either.

  • Barbiedoll

    But, my main point is that neither Taylor or Ruben has vanished, or stopped making music.

    I think in 10 years many of these Idols will vanish and drop out of music or the entertainment business altogether and choose other careers. This happens to “one hit” wonders all the time. The entertainment business is hit or miss.

  • iani

    “Something new and all is old” about Lee’s RCA-less. Much better for him artistically, less stressful with “how much money he has to make for a RCA financial-recovery”. Being Lee-100% artist is much better then 50% off under a luxurious name-label “support”, just a thought.

  • hoodathunk

    Taylor Hicks sold 700,000 albums with no radio play and still got “dropped”. Fantasia, Jennifer, Kris, Crystal,Jordin, and David Cook all sold well less than that on their last albums. Does that mean they should be dropped as well? Let’s face it, Sony never wanted to sign Taylor, but they were obligated to do so. Taylor expressed his dissatisfaction with the label early and often, especially the fact that they didn’t even bother to shoot a video for him.

    Sorry, but I doubt Taylor Hicks made any money selling albums that didn’t sell well, especially if the expenses came out of his own pocket.

    Taylor is his own entity. He sold 55,000 albums without an outside label. Half of those were at Grease for $20 each. He cleared at least $12 on each of those all for himself. All in all, he probably cleared $500,000 off that last album. Compare that to the label artists who make $1 per album, sell 100,000, and have $75,000 of that recouped for promo expenses. Believe me, Lee needs to run, not walk to Taylor Hicks and learn how to set his business up. Played the right way, it could be a blessing in disguise.

    Elliegrll, I don’t think music is Taylor’s thing if he has a hard time selling it.

    Taylor sells his music through live concerts. He is one of the handful of idol alum that can still headline 1000 seat venues. He has started to get a reputation as a go-to harmonica player for jam band sit ins, recently holding his own with John Popper of Blues Traveler. Earlier this year, he headlined Telluride Jazz Fest and was a featured musical guest on Jam Cruise 9, so yeah, I would say music might definitely be his thing. He’s gonna be around a while.

    Best wishes to Lee, he got a hell of a lot out of idol and can sustain a career if he has smarts and hustle.

  • jing_ftw

    All things considered, I feel happy for Lee.
    He wasn’t going to be a star, took a chance, became a star for 6 months, and now will go back to not being a star.
    As long as he remains grateful and learns how to say “do you want fries with that” he’ll be ok.

  • LaRue

    As long as he remains grateful and learns how to say “do you want fries with that” he’ll be ok.

    But what if we want onion rings? ;-)

  • Elliegrll

    Taylor Hicks sold 700,000 albums with no radio play and still got “dropped”. Fantasia, Jennifer, Kris, Crystal,Jordin, and David Cook all sold well less than that on their last albums. Does that mean they should be dropped as well?

    It’s not about how many albums they’ve sold. The label is interested in whether or not they are easy to market, and if they can make a profit. For some artists, 700,000 albums sold isn’t enough to cover the amount of money that was spent promoting and producing their album, and for others it is. Taylor wasn’t in a mainstream genre, so it was going to be hard for Sony to expose his music to his target audience.

  • Pippygirl

    Well I’m sorry that Lee didn’t get the chance to make another album at RCA. I think he’s handled himself well this past year. Hoping for the best for him.

  • Trina

    well… i tought RCA has changed, but thay remaind peices of shit… seriously, no reason to drop lee…

    If you dont make a label money, they aren’t going to keep you and continue to spend money on you. Wasnt it just mentioned in this thread that RCA isnt a charity label?

    yeah he wasent selling like other idols but there are lots of nobodys and failures that are still signed

    People that dont sell get dropped all the time. And we dont know who else got dropped since the Jive/RCA merger. We know about Lee because we’re in the Idol bubble and have been picking up on clues, and a journalist who gets lots of scoops must have looked into it. There’s no way Lee was the only victim of the shake-up.

  • Blower

    well… i tought RCA has changed, but thay remaind peices of shit… seriously, no reason to drop lee… yeah he wasent selling like other idols but there are lots of nobodys and failures that are still signed under RCA ,whats up with that? and for those who mention that country justin bieber – scotty, do me a favor, every country and pop singer will sell albums, i guess that nonauto-tuned artist arent to be reconginzed .. sure… carrie is talented as my shoe , same goas for scotty which has a nice voice but still far from being called an artist…

    LOL…Lee needs autotuned too. He can barely sing on pitch :D #fact

  • Barbiedoll

    I’m really sorry Taylor Hicks fans, but the only people who know what Taylor Hicks is doing are his small group of fans, the rest of America hasn’t heard from him in ages and the same goes for Reuben Studdard. I honestly think that the average person seeing Taylor on Jimmy Fallon, remembers him from AI, were happy to see that he’s still alive.

    Again, I’m so sorry, but this is the reality.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I read the reviews because many of them were down right mean to Mr. DeWyze. They really went after him. Maybe because he as the winner? I don’t know.

    I’m not surprised if Lee behaved like he did when the top 10 performed on GMA here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNuVNKwEj_I

    Pretty appalling.

    And we dont know who else got dropped since the Jive/RCA merger. We know about Lee because we’re in the Idol bubble and have been picking up on clues, and a journalist who gets lots of scoops must have looked into it. There’s no way Lee was the only victim of the shake-up.

    That’s true. I’m wondering about Crystal. Early on, she made a comment that the label was happy with her CD sales, but with all of the shake-up is that still true? How much has she sold to date?

  • Avari

    The true downside to this is the fact that an idol winner getting dropped by their label is actually newsworthy enough for public consumption. If there was no media angle, then this wouldn’t be all that negative. I think parting ways with his label is a good thing for Lee.

    I’m not sure how much this has to do with his label or his management, but I felt that Lee was treated horribly by the AI the TV show. Not including him in the finale was a public statement of disdain on their part, and inviting him at the last minute was classless.

  • ross

    Looking at Ruben, the stigma didn’t hurt him either. He’s released an album, gotten some airplay on Urban AC stations, even without a label, recorded songs with other acts, and now he has a new deal.

    He also toured in Ain’t Misbehavin’.

  • LaRue

    Again, I’m so sorry, but this is the reality.

    What is that reality, though? I’m not following. Do they disappear? Stop making music? Move to other careers?

    Should they stop making music? Are they total failures or just semi-failures?

    Not trying to be funny, but I’m not understanding what exactly is being said.

    No one is suggesting that all Idols are superstars. But they have and can continue to do well for themselves, even if Idol fans and bigwigs don’t see it that way.

  • kvwicks13

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDpN5Owd0Q&feature=related

    This video was also from Good Morning America and I thought Lee did great.

    FYI-There were no complaints of pitch issues after idol

  • LaRue

    Looking at Ruben, the stigma didn’t hurt him either. He’s released an album, gotten some airplay on Urban AC stations, even without a label, recorded songs with other acts, and now he has a new deal.

    He also toured in Ain’t Misbehavin’

    He’s also toured with David Foster several times in the past couple of years.

  • hoodathunk

    I’m really sorry Taylor Hicks fans, but the only people who know what Taylor Hicks is doing are his small group of fans, the rest of America hasn’t heard from him in ages and the same goes for Reuben Studdard. I honestly think that the average person seeing Taylor on Jimmy Fallon, remembers him from AI, were happy to see that he’s still alive.

    Again, I’m so sorry, but this is the reality.

    Fortunately, the reality is Taylor and all the other idol winners and a lot of the runners up are still making a healthy living in music whether the mainstream public is aware of it or not.

  • ross

    Montavilla: He could have delivered great performances on that tour and at least gotten the press to re-evaluate him.

    Me: I thought he got excellent reviews on tour?

    Montavilla: My impression was that Casey James was the one getting the best press. But I could very well be wrong about that. Glad to get the correction!

    Wasn’t trying to correct you. Just asking a question I wasn’t sure of.

    To be honest, I don’t really get your first statement. He gave the best performances he was capable of. It’s like saying, “He should have been somebody else.” A performer does what he does. You like it or you don’t. That’s who they are.

    The Idols tour isn’t like a seeing an artist in their real habitat. It’s like a musical – they wear the same constume every night, there’s choeography, they can’t deviate from their set list. It’s not necessarily the perfect showcase for all artists.

    I hope people understand that when you’re a singer there are various performance styles, levels, etc. Not everyone is Mr. Las Vegas, or Mickey Rooney. I’ve seen plenty of singers who just don’t fit the Idol stereotype at all who were great artists.

  • Elliegrll

    I’m really sorry Taylor Hicks fans, but the only people who know what Taylor Hicks is doing are his small group of fans, the rest of America hasn’t heard from him in ages and the same goes for Reuben Studdard. I honestly think that the average person seeing Taylor on Jimmy Fallon, remembers him from AI, were happy to see that he’s still alive.

    Do you listen to the style of music that Ruben or Taylor perform? I’m only asking because I doubt that most people make an effort to keep up with artists who produce music that they are not interested in. Your comment about Ruben and Taylor has been made plenty of times about Fantasia, even though she’s one of the most successful r&b artists over the past six or seven years, and she has a boatload of Grammy nominations. People who don’t listen to R&B stations probably don’t have a clue about what she’s doing, or how much her music is getting played.

    Taylor is performing the type of music that’s not going to get a lot of airplay, and Ruben is pretty much going to be played on one format, Urban AC, and that format isn’t very large, so it’s going to be hard to find a lot of people who are following either of them. But that’s really not an issue. The same will be true of Lee if he decides to produce music like the songs that are on his pre idol cd. Those songs are more rock/folk. The songs may not appeal to a mass audience, like pop music does, but they do represent what Lee wants to do, and there is an audience for them.

    Or this,

    Fortunately, the reality is Taylor and all the other idol winners and a lot of the runners up are still making a healthy living in music whether the mainstream public is aware of it or not.

  • Pixie Baker

    I honestly think that the average person seeing Taylor on Jimmy Fallon, remembers him from AI, were happy to see that he’s still alive.

    Interesting thought…….although I think unless you are a Underwood, Clarkson, Daughtry (you get my drift) you think the others have fallen off the face of the earth. Many of my friends that watch Idol casually, often ask me about Adam, Kris, Jordan etc and say they never hear of them again.
    We here are an *involved* group…..most people are not following past Idols. I have not peeked into Taylor’s bank account but I bet it is pretty handsome, just like him…LOL! It seems like many Idols are able to eek out a living, loving doing their music. That’s what counts! Best of luck to Lee!!

  • Blower

    I’m not surprised if Lee behaved like he did when the top 10 performed on GMA here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNuVNKwEj_I

    Pretty appalling.

    Holy s**t… haven’t heard this before. Atrocious performance.. Not just Lee..

  • Elliegrll

    FYI-There were no complaints of pitch issues after idol

    I think that his vocal issues during the season were due to nerves.

  • Barbiedoll

    I would have to disagree with you, hoodathunk. The only Idols who have a healthy music careers are: Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood and Daughtry.

    The ones who are semi-successful are: Jordin Sparks, Clay Aiken, Fantasia, Kellie Pickler, David Cook, Adam Lambert, Kris Allen.

    We still have to see how Scotty McCreery and Season 10 make out.

  • Tess

    But, my point is that AI winners who get dropped are instantly stigmatized as failures. Not easy to overcome.

    Maybe by bubblettes…but the real world probably never hears they are dropped. As far as the world outside of the bubble, they just react to the positive stuff. If a “dropped” idol records another record under another label very few peeps would care or notice that it isn’t the same label….and if they never recorded again, the world at large would just think they moved onto stuff they were better suited to: like Broadway, or TV, or dinner theater.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    FYI-There were no complaints of pitch issues after idol

    There were major pitch issues here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNIiqTJNx7w

  • ituneit

    But, my point is that AI winners who get dropped are instantly stigmatized as failures. Not easy to overcome.

    As Tess above said people outside the bubble won’t know that. Even people who watch the show every season won’t know that. The only ones who will know are those who read the Idol centric blogs or have Lee’s name on Google alerts. It’s not like it’s front page news or really reported anywhere.
    If he got a little Indie label and put out another CD 99.9999% of the population would be none the wiser.

  • Moria Polonius

    The only Idols who have a healthy music careers are: Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood and Daughtry.

    The ones who are semi-successful are: Jordin Sparks, Clay Aiken, Fantasia, Kellie Pickler, David Cook, Adam Lambert, Kris Allen.

    From what I’ve learned here, they aren’t multiplatinum sellers but I thought that Fantasia and Kellie Pickler have perfectly healthy music careers?

    I’m not an Olympic champion nor would I be able to run a marathon, but that doesn’t mean I’m not healthy.

  • aprilfoolish

    From what I read about the tour from people who were there, Lee was well received and generated a lot excitement when it was his turn. Some journalists weren’t so kind, but they were riding the “worst season evah!!” ride. Season nine is my favorite season. It would have been amazing if Lee could have triumphed over negativity that surrounded it. A product that is endorsed will be embraced by the masses as being what they absolutely need. See a can of soda being held by a sports star, and the sales soar. Have everyone say something is bad, and it’s taken as truth. So yes, Lee had a lot to deal with. But I think he will be ok, because he will succeed (or not) on his own merit.

  • gangreen29

    well… i tought RCA has changed, but thay remaind peices of shit… seriously, no reason to drop lee…

    Except for the fact that he cant sell 200,000 cds off a show watched by 20 million people.

  • Barbiedoll

    From what I’ve learned here, they aren’t multiplatinum sellers but I thought that Fantasia and Kellie Pickler have perfectly healthy music careers?

    I don’t look at Fantasia and Kellie Pickler as being superstars. They have had their successes and that’s about it.

  • Fullmoon

    Do people buy music and know what label the artists are with? Do they even care? I don’t think so. Lee will be fine and it’s not like he’ll be losing a whole lot being dropped by RCA. Now that RCA has hooked up with X-Factor I won’t be shocked if they prefer to get rid as many Idols as they can 2nd album in the works or not.

  • Indigobunting

    Eh. Not a fan of Lee, but this isn’t a huge deal IMO. It’s obvious, to me anyway, Lee isn’t suited for a major record label. So RCA didn’t work out for him. No biggie. He’s a lot further ahead now than he would have been without Idol, and he’ll likely continue to make a decent living selling his music. Not everyone is suited for big labels. No shame in that.

    Agreed. I mean, really- most of AI alums eventually wind up on smaller labels; I don’t know all the details, but I imagine few of them are on a large label (talking those who have recorded more than two albums).

    I think all of them will be glad to be in the entertainment business even if they aren’t on a major label. Who would have thought Kat McPhee would be on a prime time series?

    And so many of them came from such obscurity with no/little recording or performing experience; Danny, Crystal, Scotty, many others. I’m sure they are pretty happy with whatever chances come their way.

    Tal. says:
    10/06/2011 at 2:42 pm

    crystal has no record label

    Why would you say that?

  • teacup

    Lee will be alright, he can just go back to his old label. Idols get dropped all the time. With that well-established fact in mind, I wonder – who’s next? ;)

  • kvwicks13

    Fuzzywuzzy, I justed listened to the link you sent. Considering he sang it acapella……I didn’t hear any major pitch issues at all! In fact I thought his pitch was fine.

    NA is a touch one to sing pitch perfect. Here’s one of Crystal which is good but not pitch perfect either. http://www.mjsbigblog.com/crystal-bowersox-national-anthem-chicago-speedway.htm

  • artemis

    Lee is the only Idol who got a significant sales boost from a Season 10 Idol appearance-it landed him back on the BB 200 for a couple weeks-he was so poorly promoted many viewers had no idea he had an album out until then.
    I read a couple of Idol Tour reviews that were critical of Lee-the reviewers expressed anger that the audience gave him such huge applause rather than the person they thought should have won. Lee definitely won the clapometer at the Idol concert I attended. Casey was a crowd pleaser, too-so much better than he was on the show; I’m not at all surprised he got good reviews.

  • girlygirl

    As far as we know, Crystal is still with RCA/Jive. Since she seems to want to go in the country music direction, I wouldn’t be surprised that — if she stays with Sony Music — they end up shifting her to Sony Nashville.

  • poster

    RCA/Sony washed their hands of Idol before Season 9 even happened. Idol dropped them and they dropped Idol. Lee (and all S9 alums) were caught in the crossfire. He’s no more or less talented than anyone that’s come from that show. He should feel relief from not being shackled to a label who won’t promote him.

  • LaRue

    I wonder – who’s next?

    It’s a fair question. Anyone not named Clarkson, Daughtry or Underwood is fair game, I’m guessing.

  • artemis

    Lee is currently in Nashville. He just tweeted:

    LeeDeWyze In studio with Rune Westburg making some music. Good times, talk to you all soon :)

  • paperheart

    I’m really sorry Taylor Hicks fans, but the only people who know what Taylor Hicks is doing are his small group of fans, the rest of America hasn’t heard from him in ages and the same goes for Reuben Studdard. I honestly think that the average person seeing Taylor on Jimmy Fallon, remembers him from AI, were happy to see that he’s still alive.

    Again, I’m so sorry, but this is the reality.

    This is true for almost all artists, not just AI alum. Unless you are a fan why would you know what an artist is doing? Patty Griffin, Ray LaMontage, Dave Matthews, Fall Out Boy, et al. Heard of them, would know who they are if I saw them on television but no idea what they are doing with their careers. That doesn’t make them failures, that makes them artists who are living and working like everyone else in the business.

    An artist doesn’t have to sell millions or have #1 hits to be considered a success. There are thousands upon thousands of working musicians who’ll never see the BB200 chart or the Hot 100 but they make their living with their music.

    Taylor is a punchline because he’s the first winner who didn’t sell a million copies in the U.S. However, he’s more successful, salewise, than Lee and Kris combined and he did that without a hit single.

    On topic: Lee will be fine. Being the winner of Idol, even the least successful winner, guarantees at least a modicum of interest for Lee’s talents. He’ll always be able to make enough money to live comfortably and I doubt he’ll be back at the paint store any time soon.

  • dana80

    I don’t know anything about Taylor Hicks apart from what I read here. So, from this I know that he made over 3 million $ in the year he was touring with that Grease production, he has one or two restaurants, he released a few albums and he has been touring and playing his music ever since he won Idol.

    If that is being a failure, I hope I fail in life as hard as Taylor Hicks

  • Trina

    Wow TMZ has an article up about this. Maybe Lee will finally get some publicity.

  • Tal.

    As far as we know, Crystal is still with RCA/Jive.

    crystal was never signed under RCA or jive or whatever, shes independed she has an agent who promot her.

    as for lee, you cant compare lee to taylor, lets all remmber he is still signed with 19 entertiment , a record label is somthing you can switch, you dont really need a record label to record an album , not in lee case because he has wuli with him . as for compering him to taylor, no he wont go taylor way, lee can be a famous , he has the voice, unlike taylor and ruben, take a listen to his old new single – never there , released by wuli records, 2 days ago:

    http://www.newreleasesnow.com/search/100411/5/no/Lee+DeWyze/Never+There+%28Digital+Single%29/Artist/lee+dewyze

    thats not a gig, this song can be a hit, that is 100% lee, he wroth this long ago and recorded it with wuli , with good promotion and airplay, this song can go golden . so yeah.. lee has what it takes , he has the look too, why he wasent doing good? well, “Worst” season by meaning of ratings , and lack of promotion, and another thing is the music bussniess today , pop and club music , thats whats going on today.

  • Elliegrll

    LeeDeWyze In studio with Rune Westburg making some music. Good times, talk to you all soon

    Rune Westburg is one of the writers of Daughtry’s song “No Surprise”.

  • Blower

    crystal was never signed under RCA or jive or whatever, shes independed she has an agent who promot her.

    Really? Where’s your source?

  • paperheart

    The ones who are semi-successful are: Jordin Sparks, Clay Aiken, Fantasia, Kellie Pickler, David Cook, Adam Lambert, Kris Allen.

    Jordin Sparks is a single seller from what I can tell and is still signed with a major label

    Clay Aiken doesn’t have a label and his last CD only sold 65K total. His music career is more over than Taylor Hicks’ that’s for sure.

    Fantasia just won her first Grammy and her latest album has sold quite well. She’s a staple artist on R&B radio

    Kellie Pickler is quite successful although not a superstar like Carrie. Her third album has done respectable and her single Tough is climbing up the radio charts

    David Cook could be in trouble if his 2nd album doesn’t pick up steam with the release of his second single Fade into me. Waiting to see how that pans out.

    Adam and Kris haven’t released their 2nd albums so it’s hard to say where they will end up when all is said and done.

    Again, I’m sorry, but out of all the Idols, Taylor Hicks has had the least amount of success. Fact.

    Taylor was certified Platinum. He’s toured successfully solo. He’s working steadily on Broadway. How is your opinion that he’s the least successful a fact?

    Taylor outsold Lee and Kris and could possibly outsell Scotty (we’ll see) so he’s not the least successful unless you ignore the stats for the idols.

    Taylor could be the least successful on radio but overall he’s not the least successful by any stretch.

  • tripp_ncwy

    this song can be a hit, that is 100$ lee, he wroth this long ago and recorded it with wuli , with good promotion and airplay, this song can go golden . so yeah..

    It does not matter how good a song is or may be because without proper promotion & tie-ins with radio, it will not be heard by the masses. Wuli does not appear to have the resources required to get it done.

  • Trina

    Crystal was never signed to Jive? Huh?

    I know success isn’t always defined by album sales, but how is Lee a bigger success than Taylor? Lee had poor sales and poor radio. At least Taylor got a gold selling/platinum certified album and single for his coronation song, he got *something* out of the win. And he definitely had more success than some runner-ups.

    Ah I see so success=radio hits. Not everyone is going to agree with that so its still not a fact, its an opinion.

  • Tal.

    Rune Westburg is one of the writers of Daughtry’s song “No Surprise”.

    yeah and? hes gonna writh hits for him? lee already has hits, thay are just being thrown under the bus, his second single beautiful like you is the most wasted song ever..

    Really? Where’s your source?

    i forgot his name, but no one ever mention or said that crystal was singed under RCA , she nothing with sony and she has a blogsite , no an officel site like lee has.

  • girlygirl

    Tal

    Um, no…Crystal was signed to RCA/Jive shortly after S9 ended. See the link below to the press release announcing that signing back in June 2010. You may be confusing her label situation with her management situation. She didn’t sign with 19 for management.

    http://www.americanidol.com/news/view/pid/3414/

  • Blower

    Crystal was never signed to Jive? Huh?

    I know success isn’t always defined by album sales, but how is Lee a bigger success than Taylor? Lee had poor sales and poor radio. At least Taylor got a gold selling/platinum certified album and single for his coronation song, he got *something* out of the win. And he definitely had more success than some runner-ups.

    Exactly :D

  • fuzzywuzzy

    crystal was never signed under RCA or jive or whatever, shes independed she has an agent who promot her.

    That is incorrect. Crystal is still shown on the artists page at the Jive website:

    http://www.jiverecords.com/artists

  • gangreen29

    Lee doesn’t get any sympathy from me for being on an awful season, because one of the reasons it was an awful season was because he won. Before Lee you could at least count on an idol winner who could sing on key, so it was an embarrassment to crown such a poor singer the winner. I’m just glad that Lee didn’t manage to kill off idol.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Fuzzywuzzy, I justed listened to the link you sent. Considering he sang it acapella……I didn’t hear any major pitch issues at all! In fact I thought his pitch was fine.

    Lee changed key at least 3 times, and was off on a lot of notes. People in the comments section noted it too. It doesn’t matter whether it was a cappella or not. If you didn’t think so, then that’s fine, but it happened and a lot of people noticed it.

    ETA:

    Lee doesn’t get any sympathy from me for being on an awful season, because one of the reasons it was an awful season was because he won. Before Lee you could at least count on an idol winner who could sing on key, so it was an embarrassment to crown such a poor singer the winner. I’m just glad that Lee didn’t manage to kill off idol.

    I agree. It was a black armband day for other Idol winners when Lee won Idol (supposed to be a singing competition).

  • Indigobunting

    crystal was never signed under RCA or jive or whatever, shes independed she has an agent who promot her.

    ???
    Crystal was listed on the Jive roster. It is a pretty well known fact she is signed to Jive. Lol. If you are talking about her management Gina broke from 19M I believe and is her manager. But that is completely independent from your record label, who the artist works for. The manager works for the artist.

    Since she seems to want to go in the country music direction, I wouldn’t be surprised that — if she stays with Sony Music — they end up shifting her to Sony Nashville.

    I would be really surprised if that happened. There is Idol fatigue in Country and Sony Nash is consolidating just like Sony RCA/Jive is. I don’t think they would take on another Idol. If no major label wanted Bucky C or Josh Gracin who are proven radio friendly and country album sellers, why would they want Crystal?
    I could see her winding up on a small country/alt country label though.

    But she delayed her move to Nashville and spoke about an “opportunity” in Chicago. Any Crystal hard core fans (I am a casual one, buy her music but don’t follow her) know what is up with that?

  • LaRue

    I’m just glad that Lee didn’t manage to kill off idol.

    There are others who have done much more damage to Idol than Lee could ever concoct.

    I agree. It was a black armband day for other Idol winners when Lee won Idol (supposed to be a singing competition).

    We’ve all been around the block enough to know that it’s never been just a singing competition, dating back to Season 1.

  • tripp_ncwy

    crystal was never signed under RCA or jive or whatever, shes independed she has an agent who promot her.

    Crystal is a Jive artist & is listed on their website as such. There are indication that she as well as Kris & Jordin have moved from Jive to the RCA roster.
    http://www.jiverecords.com/artists

    As far as her website the only difference is that she actually owns her website instead of Sony but even at that she still lists 19/Jive as her label. So Huh?
    http://www.crystalbowersox.com/home/

  • Blower

    Lee changed key at least 3 times, and was off on a lot of notes. People in the comments section noted it too. It doesn’t matter whether it was a cappella or not. If you didn’t think so, then that’s fine, but it happened and a lot of people noticed it.

    Yup.. Thank god it was acappella, so people barely noticed some pitch problem. it would be disaster if they play the instrument.

  • girlygirl

    Taylor has done more than alright for himself. Since he releases his music himself, he doesn’t have split revenue with anyone, his gigs draw well, he gets to do thigns like the cameo in the Grease and he just opned a restaurant in his hometown.

    Only a small percentage of people who go on Idol become stars in terms of radio charts and single and/or album sales. But most of them manage to make a nice living for themselves in the entertainment industry. For example, I can’t think of anyone who finished in The Top 4 of their particular season who isn’t still in the business in some shape or form. They may be someone, but if there is, he/she isn’t popping to mind.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Can we keep this thread reasonably on topic? The relative sucess of other Idols is not the topic of this thread. Unless you are making a point about Lee DeWyze, please leave discussion of other Idols out of it.

  • jobbix

    Gee. What took them so long? Seriously. Anyhow, he is the first WGWG to fall, I can see more will follow.

  • kmd

    I am not surprised to hear this but I hope Lee does do well elsewhere. I do not think this will be the last idol that will be cut from a label. I agree that more could follow but that is just the way the music industry is now. It is so competitive and maybe Lee is better off in the long run.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    We’ve all been around the block enough to know that it’s never been just a singing competition, dating back to Season 1.

    Still, it’s true that all other Idol winners have not had the pitch issues that Lee had, and at least could sing on key. That’s why Lee’s win was an anomaly.

  • Tal.

    well jive is part of rca isnt it? so why keeping crystal? because she sold 20k more albums? her singles sold nothing and got 0 airplay , i think lee wasent happy with the label and thats why he left/droped, crystal airplay is worse than taylors

  • michigan

    Actually, all of the contestants should plan for this day to come. The field is way too crowded after 10 seasons, plus now X Factor, Voice, Sing Off…

  • Moria Polonius

    Barbiedoll says:
    10/06/2011 at 4:47 pm

    From what I’ve learned here, they aren’t multiplatinum sellers but I thought that Fantasia and Kellie Pickler have perfectly healthy music careers?

    I don’t look at Fantasia and Kellie Pickler as being superstars. They have had their successes and that’s about it.

    A healthy music career doesn’t have to mean superstar. If it did, nobody in my country would bother with music for a career.

    Lee did poorly for an Idol winner, but did he do too poorly to stay in the music industry? I think there’s no rule for that: Clay Aiken went platinum and 10 years later he’s not doing any music. Lee still might have a chance for a small-scale career if he plays his cards right. Maybe he won’t have to go back to selling paint.

  • jinxx315

    Nothing personal against Lee, but I always found him rather boring. He has no charisma or personality and always looks like a deer caught in headlights. There are a lot better singers/performers out there. If you want to make it in the industry you have be unique and stand out, or else you fade into obscurity.

  • tripp_ncwy
  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think that the expectations for Idol winners is very high, given the exposure to 25+million people twice a week for several months. So although a lot of Idol alums are earning a good living in the entertainment/music industry, even if their public profile is low, Idol winners are regarded in a separate category than new artists who haven’t had such exposure. I can understand why expectations are higher and don’t think that this is necessarily unfair, given the advantages of appearing on Idol.

    ETA: That report from the LA Times is pretty negative, ending with this disparaging comment:

    DeWyze recently headlined two nights at Hollywood’s tiny Hotel Cafe — one of L.A.’s preeminent launch pads for local singer-songwriters hoping to catch a break.

    The capacity of the Hotel Cafe is 200.

  • girlygirl

    what’s disparaging about it? Hotel Cafe is a tiny venue and it is known as being a venue where singer-songwriters go to try and build buzz. Lots of well-known artists play there when they want to do intimate acoustic gigs, as well.

  • Montavilla

    I guess I thought your original comment was kind of unsupportable. It’s like saying, “He should have been somebody else.” A performer does what he does. You like it or you don’t. That’s who they are. Unless they’re not trying hard enough, and why wouldn’t he be?

    It’s not that I think Lee should be somebody else. I agree with you that performers do what they do, and we like it or we don’t. And I have no idea if he was trying his best or not.

    I hope people understand that when you’re a singer there are various performance styles, levels, etc. Not everyone is Mr. Las Vegas, or Mickey Rooney. I’ve seen plenty of singers who just don’t fit the Idol stereotype at all who were great artists.

    I agree with you. One of the things I like about American Idol is that we’ve had a great variety of artists who have succeeded on the show.

    And I like singer/songwriters very much. My comments have nothing to do with what kind of music Lee sings or how good of an artist he is. I’m really just reacting to idea that Lee was a passive agent at the mercy of what 19 and RCA did (or failed to do) for him. He was not.

  • Elliegrll

    Actually, all of the contestants should plan for this day to come. The field is way too crowded after 10 seasons, plus now X Factor, Voice, Sing Off…

    The influx of these shows have nothing to do with whether or not an idol album can find an audience, or whether or not their label believes in them enough to develop and promote them.

  • tigervixxxen

    Lee’s fans know he was never the most popular Idol or the most “successful” Idol so it doesn’t really matter what is said. The focus is on the future, making music and performing. Yeah I’m sorry to hear about the split but at the end of the day it wasn’t the best fit. I’ve always felt that Lee was the most different Idol and moving on from a more mainstream platform might be the best. Not everyone can be forced into the pop star mold just because they won a TV show. And I agree that Lee certainly is going to be last to deal with the consequences of the shift away from pop rock on the radio and the commercial popularity of Idols.

  • Elliegrll

    ETA: That report from the LA Times is pretty negative, ending with this disparaging comment:

    DeWyze recently headlined two nights at Hollywood’s tiny Hotel Cafe — one of L.A.’s preeminent launch pads for local singer-songwriters hoping to catch a break.

    The capacity of the Hotel Cafe is 200.

    It wasn’t disparaging when John Mayer, Jason Mraz, Weezer or Katy Perry performed there. http://www.thehotelcafetour.com/

    This venue is well known, and they’ve done so well that they’ve even started their own tour across North America and to the UK.

  • Elliegrll

    Idol winners are regarded in a separate category than new artists who haven’t had such exposure.

    I think you should read the comments by the president of RCA, Peter Edge. He mentions the 20 million viewers, but said that that’s not what’s important, idols still need good A&R and good songs, or else that 20 million launching pad will be wasted. Edge’s comment is on the first page of this thread, as well as in the Hollywood Reporter article that’s MJ posted at the top of the page.

  • tigervixxxen

    I actually do think that the influx of singing contestants has made an impact on the immediate acceptance from the industry and their reception on radio. The label is going to make their own decisions about profitability but when the expected push and reception isn’t there from the Idol hype and these labels have inflated expectations on making a quick buck off of these new artists solely based on the fact that they were on TV absent of development for years under that label then yeah it does make a difference. I think the reception of Pia who was pushed and promoed as much as possible, or Idols who have sold well in the past who can’t sell anything now. It is reflection of this lessening interest from the market. Idol’s brand equity is not as strong as it used to be. Carrie, Kelly, Daughtry have made a reputation outside of the Idol name which is why they still get the auto play but no other Idols do. But back to Lee, I think this was a factor in his situation, among other things.

  • almondean88

    Oh my, bye-bye Lee. I’m so sorry to see any Idol get dropped from their label, but as it has been said this just seemed destined. I could never really warm up to Lee. In many interviews he just seemed whiny to me. I thought Lee often seemed entitled, self-important, and blaming. Of course this is just my opinion and I am sure Lee’s many fans will have a very different take on what was going on with Lee and his management and label. But here is one example of what I mean from Josh Skinner’s interview with Jim Cantiello. In part 3 Jim talks about his opinion of Lee and their “awkward” interaction right after Lee won.
    http://www.withjosh.com/2010/10/20/jim-cantiello-mtvs-pop-guru/

  • fuzzywuzzy

    what’s disparaging about it? Hotel Cafe is a tiny venue and it is known as being a venue where singer-songwriters go to try and build buzz. Lots of well-known artists play there when they want to do intimate acoustic gigs, as well.

    I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with the venue at all, but the way that they wrote it, it seemed to me that they were implying that Lee was taking a huge step backwards in performing in a venue primarily known as “one of L.A.’s preeminent launch pads for local singer-songwriters hoping to catch a break.” i.e. that Lee had already had his “launch pad” and “break” with Idol, but now he was back playing a venue like he hadn’t won Idol.

    It wasn’t disparaging when John Mayer, Jason Mraz, Weezer or Katy Perry performed there. http://www.thehotelcafetour.com/

    Clearly, it’s not the same situation when huge, established artists play this venue. I still think that it was a diss to Lee. JMO.

  • almondean88

    This is a great quote from the Hollywood Reporter article: “When asked about Idol’s inconsistent sales performance, RCA’s Edge offered an explanation: “The best Idol results come from doing great A&R. The TV platform provides amazing coverage, but if you don’t have the right songs, it doesn’t really mean a whole hell of a lot, because we’ve seen American Idol winners come and go in a heartbeat.”

    It always comes back to the music. Lee didn’t have a great single coming off of Idol and his first single from his cd did not do well either. Combine that with poor album sales and his fate was sealed. This is why I’m forever grateful that LLWD did so well for Kris. Without LLWD going platinum Kris might not be getting a second cd, but might be shopping for a new label like Lee.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think you should read the comments by the president of RCA, Peter Edge. He mentions the 20 million viewers, but said that that’s not what’s important, idols still need good A&R and good songs, or else that 20 million launching pad will be wasted. Edge’s comment is on the first page of this thread, as well as in the Hollywood Reporter article that’s MJ posted at the top of the page.

    I read those comments and understand what he’s saying. Still, for the general public, I think that the perception (and reality to some extent) is still that Idol is a huge platform and gives anyone (or should give anyone) who wins it a big advantage in launching a music career, and historically, it does.

  • Elliegrll

    Clearly, it’s not the same situation when huge, established artists play this venue. I still think that it was a diss to Lee. JMO.

    The place seats 200 people no matter who is playing there. So, what’s the difference?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The place seats 200 people no matter who is playing there. So, what’s the difference?

    The size of the venue is not the only point. I think that you should read the first part of my post, which explains why I think that it was a diss to Lee. JMO

  • Tal.

    Clearly, it’s not the same situation when huge, established artists play this venue. I still think that it was a diss to Lee. JMO.

    dosent matter the size of the vanue, its a respectfull place that many great artist played in

    as for the drop… in the end , it should have not happened, 170,000 album sales is still profit , also when considering the fact thay didnt spend money to promot him , and his single was doing decent… thay could have kept him

    also its funny how the media wakes up once a bad thing happen to lee, but when its a good thing like the single release , thay wont say anything about it, lee is a pretty big headline maker considering he is “the worst idol”

  • Elliegrll

    I read those comments and understand what he’s saying. Still, for the general public, I think that the perception (and reality to some extent) is still that Idol is a huge platform and gives anyone (or should give anyone) who wins it a big advantage in launching a music career, and historically, it does.

    I don’t think the general public gives this as much thought as you think they do. You say that historically idol has given people a big boost, but as I mentioned earlier, people who don’t follow R&B have no clue about what Ruben and Fantasia are or have done. The same is true with Carrie Underwood. Most people just know her for Before He Cheats, and nothing else.

    More importantly, Edge has said that those who have done well have had good songs and good A&R. This is what matters. Kelly’s popularity and level of success skyrocketed with the release of Breakaway, Carrie’s with BHC, but she was seeing a lot of success before that with the other songs that she released. If people don’t have the songs, and aren’t marketed correctly, the idol fanbase doesn’t matter.

    I agree with the opinion that was stated earlier, Lee was thrown out to the public with very little fanfare, promotion, or anyone trying to deal with the negative remarks concerning his season of AI. There was no way that this environment was going to lead to him selling a lot of records. Add to that that his song was pretty much a failure, as well as a poor representation of who he is, and he didn’t stand a chance.

  • Trina

    I understand what you mean fuzzy. I think the fact that the writer even pointed out it was “tiny” makes it a diss. Why refer to it as tiny? They make it sound like a small place for new artists trying to catch a break and don’t bother mentioning Katy, Jason, etc played there.

  • happyhexer

    Well, I will only say that I like (and have bought) some of Lee’s pre-Idol songs, but I don’t care for his post-Idol CD with RCA at all. So I am hoping that his next CD (and I think there will be one, one way or the other) will be better.

    Lee has some problems, but when he sings the right songs well, he’s quite good. My personal favorite is “Annabelle.”

  • aprilfoolish

    I do think all the new shows have hurt idol. Glee has all these good looking almost-30′s playing kids singing like they are on broadway, and I think it makes people think those on idol should be that polished. And so many offerings on iTunes that people have to decide who gets their disposable cash. When idol first started, I heard many say they bought the album to support artist and didn’t like it. Now people can preview.
    All I’m saying is the picture is constantly changing.
    Good luck Lee. Looking forward to the next part of your journey.

  • tripp_ncwy

    If you go back and read some of the interview that Peter Edge & Tom Corson have given, they specifically talk about artist development. So, the artists that remain on RCA are artists who have already proved themselves & others they believe they can develop into successful a recording artist thus greater focus on A&R. Artist development does not happen over night but the artist themselves have to be willing to accept help & direction to build a successful career in whatever genre they are in.

  • Dlynne

    I’m looking forward to what Lee does next. I know I will love it.

    As far as RCA is concerned, I say good riddance. RCA treated Lee like an indie artist from day one. They did very little to promote him or the album, while maintaining creative control. Now he can do his own thing. I see him having a career on par with Ryan Adams, which would be perfect for him. He has a large enough fan base to continue doing what he loves without having to compromise on the music he makes.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I don’t think the general public gives this as much thought as you think they do. You say that historically idol has given people a big boost, but as I mentioned earlier, people who don’t follow R&B have no clue about what Ruben and Fantasia are or have done. The same is true with Carrie Underwood. Most people just know her for Before He Cheats, and nothing else.

    I’m talking about the initial boost to an Idol’s career, and historically, it’s been true of the vast majority of winners and many non-winners. In that regard, I do think that the industry, public (and Idol viewers) have the reasonable expectation that any Idol who drew 10s of millions of votes would have a ready-made fanbase that would facilitate launching a career, and I don’t think that this is an unreasonable assumption given the circumstances. It’s in parlaying this initial success into becoming an established artist where the comments by Edge come more into play.

    I understand what you mean fuzzy. I think the fact that the writer even pointed out it was “tiny” makes it a diss. Why refer to it as tiny? They make it sound like a small place for new artists trying to catch a break and don’t bother mentioning Katy, Jason, etc played there.

    Yes, it was the way that the author described this venue combined with the tone of the preceding part of the article that made me believe that it was an intentional diss.

  • Elliegrll

    I’m talking about the initial boost to an Idol’s career

    Idol fans are fans of the reality show contestant, and may or may not be fans of the music. Idol fans buy cds without hearing the music, and they become fans of someone, even when that person is producing music that doesn’t fit into a genre that they normally listen to or like. It happens every year, people who never listen to country music suddenly become country fans, because their favorite is releasing a country album. The problem with this is that for the most part, these people aren’t going to truly change their tastes. They may start out listening to country stations, and doing other things to support their favorite, but over time they will drop that artist, and latch on to another reality show contestant.

    This type of boost isn’t helping anyone’s career. It results in inflated album sales, but pretty much just for the first album, and that’s about it. It doesn’t give anyone any credibility, in fact, some PDs have used it as an excuse to not play an alum’s songs. The person who wrote that nasty story about Scotty before the season was over pointed to him having so many fans who don’t like country music as a negative, and an example of why he shouldn’t be taken seriously. This is why A&R is so important, because a good A&R rep knows how to develop artists so that they will connect with the demographic who is willing to buy their music.

  • aprilfoolish

    Lee has some news. He tweeted tonight.

    Cool news, I’ll have some live recordings from my LA shows available for download soon, I’ll keep you posted. Thanks for everything guys :)
    Twitter for iPhone • 10/6/11 9:57 PM

    and earlier he was in studio with Rune who had a part in Daughtry’s single.

  • Brook52

    I am sure that Lee will release another album. I have seen him perform live many times now and love all of his music, pre and post idol. He is a talented singer songwriter. He definitely has a fanbase that is incredibly loyal.

  • Jae

    One thing I have noticed is that no Idol winner starves. Even runner ups don’t starve. Lee will be able to have a life time career as a musical artist just because of Idol. I’m sure that is a huge thing for Idol winners. Lee will be fine. I never liked him on Idol as a singer or performer but a bunch of people did. They at least insured him a career.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Keep the discussion in this post focused on Lee

  • borntorun

    This wasn’t really the biggest surprise ever, was it?
    The poor management and promotion has been discussed among fans for a long time.
    But for the fans that really like Lee’s music, this won’t change a thing. We’ll still love the music.
    The album with RCA was not at all what I expected it to be, from hearing Lee’s earlier work and him talking about the musical people that inspires him, but I like it. He says he’s happy with it, and I guess we’ll have to take his word for it ;)

    I love Lee’s voice, and hearing him singing all the songs from the album live, is more of the Lee that I expected to hear on the album. I hope, and think, that that is the way he’ll go with his new music.
    Record labels are all about making money… just look at all the crap music, like Kesha and others, that still are on labels being promoted. If you can’t bring the cash, you’re out. And Lee’s sales figures haven’t been what they want them to be so, he’s out. It’s weird tho that they don’t promote their artists better, because in the end that will make a difference, and they will get their money’s worth… but what do I know about the music industry? ;)

    Anyway…
    I hope that the new music will give Lee the credit he deserves. When it comes to music it’s all about the feeling you get when you hear it, and there are no “wrongs” or “rights”. It’s only how you experience it. If you don’t like you just have to not listen to it. Lee’s been bashed a lot, but to me he’s a great singer/songwriter, and his live performances show that. I’ll keep listeing! :)

  • Tal.
  • Brook52

    Thanks Tal. for that link. It expresses how I feel about all of his music-especially the live recordings. Would love a release of Bridge Burns or Love and Misery as a video. But I am sure he wants to go forward now- can’t wait for the new music he has been working on- no matter how it gets it out. He is played a lot on several internet stations.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Lyndsey Parker: Reality Rocks
    http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/422766/idol-winner-lee-dewyze-officially-dropped-by-rca-records/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    ETA: I think Lyndsey gives a fairly complete picture of the whole situation.

  • lucy

    The problem with this is that for the most part, these people aren’t going to truly change their tastes. They may start out listening to country stations, and doing other things to support their favorite, but over time they will drop that artist, and latch on to another reality show contestant.

    This type of boost isn’t helping anyone’s career. It results in inflated album sales, but pretty much just for the first album, and that’s about it.

    Well, I agree that this is true in a way. But in another way, most of those who really apply themselves do get a permanent boost from Idol, I think.

    Not that they become stars from it. But many many many of them are proving that they are able to get continued gigs, and better gigs than many many equally talented people who haven’t been on the show.

    They make connections, get experience, and get some level of name recognition. And when you put all that together, it means that they can get pretty good upper-middle-class lifestyles out of it and at least decades if not a lifetime (we can’t tell that yet, obviously) out of pursuing the things that they love. That’s a pretty big boost, really, when you think of it, seems to me.

  • tripp_ncwy

    A lot of the discussion has been geared toward RCA but what about 19M. How much of a priority will 19 give Lee? 19 has David C., Kris & S10 idols who have record deals. They also have Allison, Alex Lambert(?) and now Stefano who are unsigned but still have 19 mgmt.

  • iani

    I think Lee being dropped by RCA has nothing to do with other idols success or popularity. Lee was from the beginning the unwanted winner from a not so popular/successful season. He won the year when (there were some discussions here) they wanted a next Taylor Swift kind of(who’s fault they didn’t get her!). For sure 19 didn’t helped him too much with a good career launch, maybe he had half of a regular winner-promotion, no song for finale, the Ford- keys “stayed in his pocket hidden” for months, til 2 weeks ago when Lauren finally got her car. S9 is the only season with no real AI star, the most down-to-earth/ the top 3 next door king of contestants in 9 years. Finally S10 has “saved” the show again and S11 should be the best in order to show X Factor that AI is the best show in US for reality reasons(it’s a reality show!).

  • wjmtv

    I put this out on Twitter, but I thought I’d add it here in case people are still reading this thread.

    There’s a good article in the Chicago Tribune today about a Grammy winner who was later dropped by his label, Blue Note. It offers some interesting insights into what happens when a label views someone as one kind of artist, and they see themselves differently.

    http://tinyurl.com/4xdqsxg

  • happyhexer

    Thanks, wjmtv! That was an interesting article. Makes me want to go look up Van Hunt, because I like all kinds of music. Will be interested to discover how he blurs the genre lines.

    If I knew how to make a circle with a diagonal line through it on the computer, I would. No more music genre tyranny!