UPDATE: Kelly Clarkson’s reps have also confirmed to EW (as THR confirmed) that Kelly Clarkson will not be a judge next season, while Deadline claims sources tell them that Jennifer Hudson is negotiating while Kelly Clarkson, Adam Lambert and Clay Aiken are still in the mix (Vulture, The Wrap and E News are also reporting that all 4 alums are in the mix)

I tend to agree with those of you who believe Idol brass may be floating these rumors to either see how fans respond, or to divert attention from negative year end/sweeps end ratings news that was released yesterday.  Kelly’s reps take her out of the mix, while a source claims Adam has not been contacted yet.  Neither Jennifer or Clay or their reps have responded. Even if the rumors are not true, they may be happy to have their names floating around in the press.

UPDATE: EOnline is sticking to their original story that Kelly Clarkson is close to signing a deal. Also, they report that Jennifer Hudson has ALREADY signed a deal. EOnline

Multiple sources confirm exclusively to E! News that the Oscar-winning singer has signed a deal to sit at the judges’ table this fall for season 13. The other two spots are also intended for former Idol contestants: Kelly Clarkson and either Adam Lambert or Clay Aiken.

We’re told that Clarkson is also close to signing on. No word yet on whether Lambert or Aiken will fill the final spot, but producers are expected to keep the panel to three members.

It’s only been a week since the Idol finale and deals are being signed already? Sorry, but I don’t believe it.

The Hollywood Reporter has “insiders” who insist that American Idol brass are looking at Jlo and Wil.i.am as members of the Season 13 judges panel, instead of the all-alum panel Vulture and E Online suggest are iminent. THR also insists that Kelly Clarkson will NOT be joining the panel next season, despite recent reports that say she will.

Now The Wrap and Vulture appear to be talking to the same “sources”. The website reports that Jennifer Hudson is currently negotiating a deal with Idol to join the panel:

Hudson, who appeared on last week’s finale results show, is interested in joining the show. “She got the offer and her reps are currently negotiating with [the show's production company] Fremantle,” the insider said of the process that could take as long as six months to complete.

Six months to complete? Oy. One source tells Vulture that Jhud’s deal is essentially “done””

“The show’s producers feel they’ve lost their core audience,” the insider said. “And they want to bring back former contestants in order to tell their core audience, ‘We love you.’ They know they’ve made some major mistakes over the past few seasons and they want to make it right with their fans.”

Vulture cautions that buzz “even from people familiar with the situation does not always lead to deals…” In other words “Excuse us while we ass talk for hits.”

Via Vulture, The Wrap

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  • bridgette12

    Most important thing, how much money is she demanding.
    There is not one thing about JHud that would make me want to watch Idol again.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I’m bored with all the Idol judge talk. When can we talk about the contestants?

  • Chablis

    That would be the end of Idol for me. What qualifies a foirmer contestant to be a judge?

  • Sandy

    Not a fan.

  • curly_yenta

    NO to this arrogant, self enamored, egocentric screamer. Never never never would I watch another second of the show if she was a judge.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I think Jennifer could be a good judge, but for personality and fun-natured, I’d prefer Melinda Doolittle. Again, maybe Michael Johns if Keith doesn’t return. I think it’s a great idea to have one or two alumns on the judging panel. For better ratings, get better contestants. Limit those joke auditions to just a few, and show us more of the talent. I love this show and don’t want it to end!

  • mtthew

    if we are getting one or two alum on the panel, my dream team would be mindy doo and/or adam lambert, and then an industry exec or two.

  • everything

    Jennifer Hudson would make a great choice. She fills the “former contestant makes good” role. Musically versatile. Grammy winner. Fan outside AI. A survivor whom contestants can relate too. Sign her up!

  • bridgette12

    I wonder if Weight Watchers will be mentioned a time or two.

  • songsungblue

    I think she’s an amazing woman, very strong. She’s a great choice, in my opinion.

  • Sassycatz

    Well, she’s a former contestant…. LOL. I find Jennifer musically uninteresting. If they want an actress, they can get a lot better.

  • futurelovesounds

    Wow what did she do to you that was so bad?

    I really think she’s a wonderful person who will bring something new I hope

  • Goodvibes27

    I don’t think she’s qualified. She didn’t win, she didn’t handle her bottom 3 moments well, she really isn’t all that super accomplished in music, compared to say, Fantasia. Last time I checked, American Idol is about music not acting

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    True she is a former contestant. and one I thought should have been in the final two. But I am still SO tired of all the judge talk.

  • sue

    Jennifer is a great singer but I don’t know about her being a judge, maybe a mentor but not a judge. I could be wrong and she will be great. Plus she did say awhile back that she thought idol should end on a high note or something to that nature.

    Will.I.Am was a mentor many times on idol and he was boring as heck so I don’t know if he would be a great edition either.

    If idol is reading this, they need to consider John Legend, Harry Connick Jr. and Ben Folds. Queen Latifah, Shania and Jennifer Nettles would also be great. If they have to go with idol alums, the only ones I can think of is Kris, Adam and Cook. As for females Melinda and Carrie. Kelly would be great but doesn’t look like she will do it next season.

    But ultimately it’s about getting great contestants and letting them have some freedom to be creative and at the same time giving them some guidance and advice. So if they want to go cheap with judges they could. Still think they could keep Keith and just bring in two more people. Oh well…….

  • sue

    Jennifer is a great singer but I don’t know about her being a judge, maybe a mentor but not a judge. I could be wrong and she will be great. Plus she did say awhile back that she thought idol should end on a high note or something to that nature.

    Will.I.Am was a mentor many times on idol and he was boring as heck so I don’t know if he would be a great edition either.

    If idol is reading this, they need to consider John Legend, Harry Connick Jr. and Ben Folds. Queen Latifah, Shania and Jennifer Nettles would also be great. If they have to go with idol alums, the only ones I can think of is Kris, Adam and Cook. As for females Melinda and Carrie. Kelly would be great but doesn’t look like she will do it next season.

    But ultimately it’s about getting great contestants and letting them have some freedom to be creative and at the same time giving them some guidance and advice. So if they want to go cheap with judges they could. Still think they could keep Keith and just bring in two more people. Oh well…….

  • koshka

    I was a big fan of hers during her season, admired her at the dawn of her acting career and fully learned to dislike her during her constant Weight Watchers promo (thought it would never end!). I just never got the feeling that she was well loved during her season. Unless her personality has changed, I’m not sure she has the right amount of warmth required for the job.

  • koshka

    I was a big fan of hers during her season, admired her at the dawn of her acting career and fully learned to dislike her during her constant Weight Watchers promo (thought it would never end!). I just never got the feeling that she was well loved during her season. Unless her personality has changed, I’m not sure she has the right amount of warmth required for the job.

  • Dianne

    Has JHud ever had a hit song? I know she won an Oscar, but what happened to her movie career? Seems like she is the queen of tributes & weight loss these days and not much else.

  • Dianne

    Has JHud ever had a hit song? I know she won an Oscar, but what happened to her movie career? Seems like she is the queen of tributes & weight loss these days and not much else.

  • bridgette12

    She’s the go to girl for any memorial, funeral or awards show tribute.

  • futurelovesounds

    She actually has 3 movies coming I the fall and her 3rd album.

  • Sassycatz

    When I think Jennifer Hudson, I don’t think “witty banter.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    You know I actually might start watching again if Jennifer Hudson, Adam Lambert and Clay Aiken were judges. I stopped watching anything but the performance videos years ago, but those three being back would make it seem like “old Idol” again and I would check it out- plus, they would probably have a lot of fun. I don’t see much point of getting Jennifer back if they are going to put her with Will I. Am, who had time to do the Voice in England so I don’t see why he would not have time for this but I would rather him not be on it regardless

  • abbysee

    Oh dear lord, are we gonna have ‘done deal’ one day and a denial the next? Make it stop already. I am going to try to tune this crap out until I see a photo with someone sitting with the idol back drop and a coke cup in from of them.

    Bares repeating, I don’t think it’s the greatest fit. I won’t quit watching because of her, so that’s something positive to add.

  • futurelovesounds

    I really don’t see how Jhud wouldn’t be any less qualified to be a judge on this show. I’m not gonna judge her personality based on how she was almost 9 years ago on season 3. Really not fair if you don’t follow her. She really seems like a good person. All that matters is can she be an honest critic. I don’t think her “accomplishments” or anybody’s for that matter goes into what the bring to the judges table. I really hope the producers find judges who are gonna make it about the contestants and not themselves. I don’t see any of the alums doing mindless bickering and cat fighting

  • No Thanks

    Actually she’s done quite a bit lately:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1617685/?ref_=sr_1

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=579290324 Michael Bishop

    I’m torn, my first reaction is to flash back to my dislike of her in S3. She always came across as entitled, arrogant and immature; although it could have been a mask overcompensating insecurity- who knows. I just didn’t like her.

    On the other hand, that was 9 seasons ago, she has grown a lot, as life has been both very good, and very rough for her personally and professionally. I know I wouldn’t want to be judged indefinitely for the rest of my life for things I did in my early 20′s

    Overall, I can see why AI would want her, me…Meh. She’s not in the top tier of whom I’d want to see again, but we shall see.

    (PS -Team Melinda Doolittle) :)

  • matt89

    Same here. I feel like she’ll really know her stuff

  • sue

    An PLEASE NOOOOOOOOOOO to JLO!!!!!!

  • maymay

    Jennifer Hudson was a guest judge on Project Runway last season. But she was not very talkative and fun. All she talked were just boring and mediocre.

    She is famous but not a big name in music industry. She won Oscar but not a superstar. I don`t think she can attract many new or old viewers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=579290324 Michael Bishop

    Seriously, what there hell is thre to vote down on in my post. I can’t see a single thing here that ANYONE could be offended with? lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Corn/100001659368831 Laura Corn

    Never been a Jhud Fan. Made a career out of singing others songs. People know her due to her weight loss commercials. Also she did her best to over ding Candance IMO

  • koshka

    ahhh but anyone recall Jennifer’s run in with Oprah? Back in 2011 she was late .. did some sort of gig the night before her taping. Couldn’t find it in MJ’s archives.

  • Sassycatz

    Yes, I absolutely recall it. She was supposed to be on Oprah’s show, but she was late all because she decided, I think quite at the last minute, to do some gig across the country the night before. I wondered if she had tried to get out of it but they threatened to sue or something, because it appeared beforehand that she assumed she was free. (Maybe I’ve made all this up in my head.) All I know was that Oprah was PISSED!!!!

    Ah, here’s a link (one of many on Google):
    http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=643385

  • Liteasy

    How to scream through a song! She was so arrogant throughout her season, and turned the American voters away from her.

  • Heidijoy

    Hope this isn’t true!! Don’t find her that intelligible in interviews etc.

  • http://twitter.com/PattiHum Pat H

    6 months?!! LOL! Guess she will be missing all the judges’ audition rounds!

  • http://www.facebook.com/frederickruppcristiano Frederick Rupp Cristiano

    I wouldn’t want to see JHud. No thanks.

  • Cookiebr7

    Are you kidding? She did her best to drown out the girl who won on the finale; that says it all to me. Most of America is sick of hearing her scream-singing on those weight loss commercials. This just shows Idol bosses don’t get what’s wrong with The show. Oscars+movies etc. are no guarantee that someone can give a frank, incisive review without being cruel. At least give all these people a tryout before paying them the big bucks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    I love Jennifer- so it would pain me to see the barrage of comments that will be aimed at her- just a sampling here will tell you what they will be, that she screeches, that she has no hit songs, she doesn’t deserve to be there- it will be endless and I really love her so that will be hard to see week after week so I hope she is prepared for it.

  • ladymctech

    But wait, didn’t she say a few months ago that Idol should end now and go out on a good note? What made her change her mind if she is truly considering a place at the judges’ table?

  • girlygirl

    This quote shows me that the people who run Idol are totally clueless.

    “The show’s producers feel they’ve lost their core audience,” the insider said. “And they want to bring back former contestants in order to tell their core audience, ‘We love you.’ They know they’ve made some major mistakes over the past few seasons and they want to make it right with their fans.”

    Bringing back ex contestants to be judges isn’t going to “make things right”. Getting rid of the same tired themes, clearing more (especially current) songs, quit harping on sob stories, stopping pimping some contestants and bussing others, stop with the manipulation, fix the voting system — those are the type of things that would help “make things right” — not by putting some former contestants at the judges table

    Sometimes I wonder how these people ever got high level jobs in the entertainment industry, because really???

    ETA – J-Hud has never been one of my favorite contestants. But that wouldn’t matter if I thought she’d be a good judge. Honestly, I can’t even remember ever hearing her interviewed, so I have no clue what type of personality she has, how articulate she is, etc. All I know her from post-Idol are all those annoying WW commercials (I never saw Dreamgirls)

  • xboxmas

    If you could sit through Nicki, then I’m sure Jennifer is a walk in the park.

  • xboxmas

    Why would the voting system need to be fixed. I would say we have ended up with 12 good winners(in their own way). Most casuals don’t care about the tired themes or songs. They have short term memory. There have been a lot of current songs on the show.

  • koshka

    http://www.oprah.com/own-oprah-behind-the-scenes/Exclusive-Webisode-Blizzard-Blast-Video

    here is the Oprah clip I kept thinking about. Thanks for the refresher Sassycatz

  • koshka

    IDK my husband is a casual watcher, maybe not even that since he always seems to find something to do when AI is on. lol He recognizes that they have the same songs on over and over. In general he could care less and he says ‘WTF?’.

  • http://twitter.com/PattiHum Pat H

    Yes, she did! She was not very complimentary of Idol!

  • koshka

    depends on the contestant. I’m sure I am not alone in being able to name a few, but Jennifer… just not feeling it.

  • Blou38

    NAIL ON THE HEAD!

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    For a minute, I thought you were talking about Simon Cowell. ;)

  • Montavilla

    My reaction is meh. I liked Jennifer Hudson a lot on the show, and I don’t dislike her now. I think she’s gone through a lot and she’s amazingly strong.

    And I think putting an idol on the judging panel is a good idea. She just wouldn’t be my first or second choice.

    But you know, I don’t really know how she would be as a judge. She might end up being great.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    I like Jennifer, but I admit she was really off-putting during her season. About a year after her run on the show, I saw a video of her absolutely KILLING “I Will Always Love You” at some banquet or dinner or other. No one was listening. The crowd was gabbing away, completely ignoring her. But, she gave it her all. I think she learned humility and persistence after the show. I’m not a fan of her voice at all, but I don’t think that should be a factor in whether or not she’ll be a good judge. I’m willing to give her a chance.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=579290324 Michael Bishop

    I remember that, because Oprah would refer to it late, but not “Jennifer Hudson late”. She was NOT happy.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    The entire challenge with the all Idol alum panel is that they can’t have an all white panel and that means they need JHud, Fantasia, Ruben or possibly Melinda. Melinda would probably be the most entertaining but she really doesn’t prove that Idol produces stars which is supposed to be the point.

    In any case, I think these “sources” are spinning. I can’t imagine that they are talking to anyone about contracts yet. I think this is either Idol trying to drum up some press and/or a trial balloon.

  • vamp111

    Well she still appeared on the show this season, so its not like she hates it.

  • Shawn Jang

    I am loving this news!! I think she would be a fantastic judge. I can really see her being honest and to the point. Add Kelly Clarkson and Adam Lambert to the other 2 seats and I swear I will jizz everywhere next season.

    Singers critiquing singers. What more could you want?

  • vamp111

    Sob stories and manipulation are a given with any singing show. Yes, even The Voice. It has always been like that. They will never stop with the sob stories or manipulation, because that is in ANY singing shows DNA. That is just the way it is.

  • vamp111

    Jennifer is one of the few who is qualified…can’t say the same about other names they keep throwing around(like Adam).

  • Shawn Jang

    Just read the others news about Kelly not coming onboard. Sadsies :(

  • curly_yenta

    Ha! Simon was all those things, but he was something else….. likeable. This one is not.

  • curly_yenta

    Didn’t sit thru Nicki. FF right through her commentary.

  • vamp111

    How to scream through a song!

    I can think of a few alumni who fit that ;)

  • springboard2

    J. Hud + J.Lo + Wil.I.Am would be a new puppet panel of celebrities, and would show that the producers don’t have a clue. One word, boring. Bye Idol, nice to have met you…
    Hopefully, this is just rumors without substance.

  • Anny_nanny

    Yep! I’ll have to miss another season. No one tells you where you can see the old seasons online?

  • suenigma

    This is a terrible idea, and not just because i think that she is an overrated singer and a mediocre actress, regardless of how many kudos she gets tossed her way. I myself have met her and she was a singularly unpleasant person on that occasion at least. In addition, I have a friend who worked with her on a show and he said that Jhud was rude, arrogant, bitchy and could barely be bothered to talk to him. This person is significantly more famous and successful than JHud, so I can’t imagine how she treats the little people. To be fair, these incidents happened less than a year after the terrible tragedy, so that is probably a mitigating factor. Still..

  • breakdown

    Haven’t we had enough divas already?!

  • Face

    this would be a bad decision for both her and the show… imo

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “In other words “Excuse us while we ass talk for hits.”

    lol Exactly. As far as JHud goes, I honestly don’t have a clue about her personality, as I haven’t seen any interviews with her. I’m not fond of her style of singing and find the tone of her voice very strident and, at times, unlistenable. She may be a good judge, but IMO, I doubt that she would draw back any of the viewers who have stopped watching the show (if that is the goal of appointing an Idol alum to the judges panel).

  • chillj

    I would not watch the show for her, either. Her voice is powerful, but sometimes not so good, and I am not certain she is articulate, as mostly she peddles diet stuff and talking in subsumed to looking good.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1462106762 Samuel Shallenberger

    If you’re just going to complain about every contestant that isn’t Taylor Hicks, please exit to the door on your right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    That person must be a superstar because I don’t know too many people who are significantly more famous and successful than Jennifer Hudson- I don’t know too many people who have not heard of her, she’s been just about everywhere and she ‘s friendly with Obama.

  • Jason Moore Cavanagh

    is It fair for an alumn to judge idol Contestants? And I’m afriad they wont listen to her since she’s just an idol alumn…She’s great, I knew she would be as a judge much btter than Mariah and Randy did. I would love to have a Nicki-Jennifer-Keith… Eventhough I know it would be so hard to have a chemistry with these three judges

  • mmb

    why does being an Idol alum a disqualifier for being a judge?? ALL of the alums whose names have been raised in connection with judging either have hit singles or albums, grammy awards or nominations, platinum plus sales, critical acclaim, oscars or some combination of a number of these things. If a contenstant would listen to a non-alum with these qualifications, why would the mere fact that they competed on Idol make them any less worthy of listening to? I think Jennfer would be a terrible judge because she is just not very articulate, entertaining or likable in interviews etc. She brings a resume but little charisma. BUt she is certainly worthy of being listened to by Idol contestants just starting their careers

  • fuzzywuzzy
  • fuzzywuzzy

    I thought that Candice sounded much better than Jennifer in that duet.

  • mmb

    Jennifer is a very successful Idol alum, but she is not a successful and beloved alum (at least among the Idol faithful)….while very talented, she was just not a very good Idol contestant and the audience never connected with her. Her apperance was usually bordering on trainwreck, and her demeanor was off-putting. But post Idol she pulled it together and launched a very successful career. But I don’t think that the Idol audience is all that interested in seeing her –not in the same way as Kelly or Carrie or even Adam or Clay. She won’t bring new viewers in, but then I don’t think anyone, alum or non alum will do that. I think hiring her as the sole Idol alum on the panel (if thats what the new plan is) would simply be a ho hum — not a shot of excitement. J Hud alongside Kelly and another alum as part of an all idol panel makes some sense; j hud as the only alum on the panel is kind of a snooze

  • alterego

    I think Jennfer would be a terrible judge because she is just not very articulate, entertaining or likable in interviews etc. She brings a resume but little charisma.

    That’s all subjective. TPTB must think she has what it takes to have her name on the short list. And I believe her name is on the short list among the alums.

  • mmb

    lol 6 months to complete a contract? that would be in November. I think this J Hud stuff is a lot of nonsense, although I think its entirely plausible that she has been approached and could have some interest

  • Reflects On Life

    JHud is an absolute inspiration, persevering with her career and her life despite unthinkable violent tragedy in her life and family. She’s one of the five or so AI graduates who success and fame transcends AI, and that is the goal of being on AI. Idol could do a lot worse than to hire her as a judge. I don’t know enough about her to know how well she’d judge, but I think the success of the judges panel ultimately depend on the panel’s mix and not on individual panelists themselves.

  • mmb

    I’ve no doubt her name is on the short list among the alums. It makes perfect sense that it would be. Having seen her in movies and on tv and in interviews etc etc I just don’t think she will be a charismatic judge. Just my opinion. Of course its subjective

  • Incipit

    “This quote shows me that the people who run Idol are totally clueless….
    Sometimes I wonder how these people ever got high level jobs in the entertainment industry, because really???”

    Really. It has to be The Peter Principle. That was their take-away, after all the complaints, survey answers and indignant tweets over the years from the audience? They think alumni on the judging panel will “make it right” – so they float this story? Give me a break.

  • Liteasy

    There are many people that aren’t fans of Obama and therefore would not have a clue as to who she is. That would make one reason why i wouldn’t watch her, among other reasons.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “She’s one of the five or so AI graduates who success and fame transcends AI, and that is the goal of being on AI.”

    I agree. That’s definitely a very big point in JHud’s favor as an Idol alum being a judge.

  • http://twitter.com/LindsayKempFan Not fit to print

    I would love Melinda. She would be really good. I can’t see it happening unless they get such a big star for the panel that the other two don’t have to be big celebrity draws.
    She would be awesome.

  • http://twitter.com/LindsayKempFan Not fit to print

    Her demographics for this job are perfect. All-of-the-above plus her Weight-Watchers association puts her front-of-mind for women under 35, a very coveted market. Plus: Idol is losing ad revenue and guess who might buy a few spots? IMHO, it’s completely likely that they are talking to her.

  • HopeForMusic

    I think that it’s a mistake to get any AI alums on the judging panel. I’m not sure that any of them, other than Kelly and Carrie, are beloved enough by the majority of viewers to do anything to stem the tide of falling ratings. They may, in fact, drive viewers away if they weren’t a fan of that particular idol. Plus, as discussed in an older thread, what type of negative affect may that have on the Idol’s career? They need to move forward, not back.

  • bridgette12

    I agree, she’s good scripted, but as person, she lacks charisma. Every time I see her, I feel like she’s trying to sell me something.

  • abbysee

    If you can’t think of people who are significantly more famous than Jhud then it’s possible you’ve been in the idol bubble too long.

  • http://twitter.com/LindsayKempFan Not fit to print

    I didn’t know about the 3 films. Just checked them out. One of them stars Angela Basset and Forest Whittaker – not a guaranteed hit but that’s an impressive cast. Also she was on SMASH this year. Her website has her singing at a Nobel Prize event.

    Hard to see why she wouldn’t be top of their list, all things being equal. She would be far less expensive than J-Lo.

  • Sassycatz

    Nobody would deny that Jennifer Hudson withstood a horrible tragedy and made it through a bad situation remarkably well. No one can deny that she has a career that does not rely on her American Idol resume any longer. However, neither of these circumstances qualifies her to be an Idol judge, which we must acknowledge is a *job* with a distinct set of *skills.*

    As we’ve come to learn, you just can’t put anyone on the panel who has success in music or movies or dance or even in *talk shows* — of all things — and guarantee that they are the best person for the job. Overcoming a terrible tragedy doesn’t qualify you, just as it doesn’t qualify an auditioner or a contestant who has a genuinely inspiring backstory to win American Idol. And, garnering success outside of Idol doesn’t say anything about your ability to sit on a panel, judge with knowledge, wisdom and wit; interact well with other big egos; and come across as compelling, likeable, believable or interesting to the American audience.

    I’m getting the impression that it’s a bit of an experiment and a bit of lightening in a bottle as to whether a panel clicks. That’s why, when people immediately say, “if they have an alum on the panel, it’s got to be Kelly or Carrie or Jennifer or Daughtry, etc.,” I say based upon what criteria? Neither their experiences on Idol, nor their career successes tell us that they have the skills to do this job and, just like anyone else, a potential judge should have to “audition” and go through some rehearsal runs to see if they have what it takes.

  • Sassycatz

    An Idol judge should be friendly with Obama? That’s a qualification?

  • Joe Daniels

    She’s officially an Idol judge. -.-

  • merkureye

    Love JHud but. . .as an AI judge? . . .not so much. . not enough personality. I actually think the panel needs a British accent ala Simon Cowell. There is an old saying in Hollywood as a formula for success. . .”Speak British and think Yiddish”. No one would be better to fill that role than Jessie J. She has a ton of credibility. She would leave The Voice UK in a heartbeat to take the AI job.

  • girlygirl
  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    E! has not been the most reliable source in the past. But the concept makes sense. I would tune in for JHud, Kelly and Adam, and hope this is real.

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    71. Danielle Bradbery – Heads Carolina, Tails California (The Voice Performance)
    82. Little Mix – Wings
    84. Olly Murs – Troublemaker (feat. Flo Rida)
    94. Carrie Underwood – See You Again
    96. Phillip Phillips – Home
    98. Candice Glover – I Am Beautiful
    122. Michelle Chamuel – Just Give Me a Reason (The Voice Performance)
    135. Kelly Clarkson – People Like Us
    137. Holly Tucker – How Great Thou Art (The Voice Performance)
    149. Carrie Underwood – Blown Away
    156. Kelly Clarkson – Catch My Breath
    161. Carly Rae Jepsen – Call Me Maybe
    178. Carrie Underwood – Two Black Cadillacs
    222. Danielle Bradbery – Maybe It Was Memphis (The Voice Performance)
    226. Sasha Allen – Next To Me (The Voice Performance)
    230. One Direction – What Makes You Beautiful
    249. Kree Harrison – All Cried Out
    254. Sarah Simmons – Mamma Knows Best (The Voice Performance)
    266. The Swon Brothers – How Country Feels (The Voice Performance)
    294. Vicci Martinez & Cee Lo Green – Come Along
    307. Judith Hill – The Way You Make Me Feel (The Voice Performance)
    313. Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You)
    324. Cher Lloyd – Want U Back
    354. Cher Lloyd – With Ur Love
    364. The Swon Brothers – Who’s Gonna Fill Their Shoes (The Voice Performance)
    365. Carrie Underwood – Good Girl
    372. Danielle Bradbery – Wasted (The Voice Performance)
    378. Lauren Alaina – Barefoot and Buckwild
    382. One Direction – Kiss You
    399. One Direction – One Way or Another (Teenage Kicks)
    402. Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen – Good Time
    425. Emblem3 – Chloe (You’re the One I Want)
    437. Fantasia – Without Me (feat. Kelly Rowland & Missy Elliott)
    443. Sarah Simmons – The Story (The Voice Performance)
    454. Pentatonix & Lindsey Stirling – Radioactive
    460. Scotty McCreery – See You Tonight
    467. Fantasia – Lose to Win
    487. Cher Lloyd – Oath (feat. Becky G)
    509. Kelly Clarkson – Don’t Rush (feat. Vince Gill)
    541. Michelle Chamuel – True Colors (The Voice Performance)
    545. Josiah Hawley – The Man Who Can’t Be Moved (The Voice Performance)
    575. Amber Carrington – Breakaway (The Voice Performance)
    586. Carrie Underwood – Before He Cheats
    598. Carly Rae Jepsen – Tonight I’m Getting Over You
    602. Danielle Bradbery – Put Your Records On (The Voice Performance)
    662. Mandisa & tobyMac – Good Morning (feat. TobyMac)
    694. One Direction – Live While We’re Young
    718. One Direction – One Thing
    758. Kelly Clarkson – Breakaway
    768. Carrie Underwood – Jesus, Take the Wheel
    789. Amber Carrington – Stay (The Voice Performance)
    792. One Direction – Little Things
    798. Carrie Underwood – How Great Thou Art
    819. Kellie Pickler – Someone Somewhere Tonight
    856. Michelle Chamuel – Call Your Girlfriend (The Voice Performance)
    934. Danielle Bradbery – Mean (The Voice Performance)
    939. The Swon Brothers – Fishin’ in the Dark (The Voice Performance)
    983. Danielle Bradbery – Jesus, Take the Wheel (The Voice Performance)
    1017. Terry McDermott – In Your Eyes
    1082. Colton Dixon – You Are
    1094. Sarah Simmons – One of Us (The Voice Performance)
    1095. Olly Murs – Dance With Me Tonight
    1140. Carrie Underwood – Cowboy Casanova
    1180. Josiah Hawley – Clocks (The Voice Performance)
    1257. Jessica Sanchez – Tonight (feat. Ne-Yo)
    1266. Cher Lloyd – Swagger Jagger
    1314. Judith Hill – You’ve Got a Friend (The Voice Performance)
    1358. Kelly Clarkson – Dark Side
    1376. One Direction – Rock Me
    1379. Cher Lloyd – With Ur Love (feat. Juicy J)
    1414. Sarah Simmons – Angel (The Voice Performance)
    1415. Cassadee Pope – Over You (The Voice Performance)
    1454. Carrie Underwood – Wasted
    1468. Carrie Underwood – Undo It
    1493. Kelly Clarkson – Since U Been Gone

    Albums
    41. Carrie Underwood – Blown Away
    67. Candice Glover – Music Speaks
    72. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon (Deluxe)
    106. Fantasia – Side Effects of You
    171. Kelly Clarkson – Greatest Hits – Chapter One
    198. Little Mix – DNA (Deluxe Version)
    252. One Direction – Up All Night (Deluxe Version)
    266. One Direction – Take Me Home (Yearbook Edition)
    282. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon
    283. Cher Lloyd – Sticks & Stones
    293. Olly Murs – Right Place Right Time (Deluxe Edition)
    298. One Direction – Up All Night
    344. One Direction – Take Me Home
    413. Daughtry – Daughtry
    478. Carrie Underwood – Some Hearts
    589. Pentatonix – PTX, Vol. 1
    591. Colton Dixon – A Messenger
    918. Little Mix – DNA
    923. Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (Deluxe Version)
    951. Jessica Sanchez – Me, You & the Music
    1020. Fantasia – Side Effects of You
    1074. Carrie Underwood – Carnival Ride
    1081. Scotty McCreery – Clear As Day
    1112. Carly Rae Jepsen – Kiss (Deluxe Version)
    1239. Vicci Martinez – Vicci
    1384. Mandisa – What If We Were Real
    1398. Cassadee Pope – The Complete Season 3 Collection (The Voice Performance)

  • Miss Blue

    A diva? I most certainly would not consider Jennifer a diva. Most tragedies we’ve seen in the past few years, she is right there, donating her time and talent to help raise funds. To the point where she gets slammed for it, which I will never understand.

    She has shown herself to be a caring, warm individual and I will welcome her on the panel if she takes this gig.

  • bridgette12

    I don’t care how much success JHud, Carrie, Kelly or Daughtry has had, I don’t want to see them as judges. They are good at what they do, but not exactly the most entertaining individuals who you want to see on your tv each week. Sorry, but those four just reek of boring.

  • Miss Blue

    This kind of thing really gets my goat. If you want to slam somebody, let’s name names. The “anonymous” trash talk should be given the value of a fairy tale.

  • bridgette12

    Sure she’s right there, not only helping out but also promoting herself and her talents.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    These contracts take a long time to get done — there is usually a letter of intent with the major parts of the deal, then they work out the contract details. Since JHud (if this is real) will be playing the part of the “diva”, they will need to work out things like the variety and number of flowers in her dressing room. ;)

  • Dianne

    IMHO she was very likable when she was on Idol, it is all the WW commercials that wore me down. Overexposure as a salesperson and tribute singer overshadowed her previous accomplishments.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    The contestants had nothing but positive things to say about Adam when he was a mentor only 1 year after Idol. So why would they have issues with an Idol alum as a judge?

  • marmom07

    Except the track record for TPTB in selecting judges has been really poor!

  • Dianne

    Politics OMG

  • mmb

    As a lawyer I’m well aware how long contracts can take. But I’m also aware that no one sits down in the judges seats without a fully executed contract. Since the judges rounds are usually in September or October, the fact this supposed J Hud contract might not be done til November makes my question the report

  • http://twitter.com/LindsayKempFan Not fit to print

    Let’s face it, any post dedicated to the proposition that a contestant is about to sign-on as a judge will have more nay-sayers than happy people. We have 12 years of contestants to choose from – there are so many ways to slice that pie that ANY contestant-judge, outside of Kelly and Carrie, will be polarising.
    Almost wishing they wouldn’t do it.

  • Montavilla

    It may not “make it right,” but it’s a step in the right direction. And one alumni is better than an entire panel of alumni, which was the floated story yesterday.

  • bridgette12

    What she need to do is spend some time making some original music that people would be interested in buying. Her last album was so generic and bland. It seem like she didn’t make any effort to bring any of her songs alive. Fantasia has had her issues, but when it comes to her music, she takes it serious and her music is emotionally driven. Her feelings and her success and failures are reflected in her albums. That’s something that Jennifer needs to do, put her heart and soul into “her” music. If she don’t want to make that effort, then she needs to stop wasting her time and simply act.

  • Dianne

    I liked a lot of the judges that a lot of the people on this blog hated and will continue to watch the show till the bitter end. If I find a judge too annoying I fast forward, DVR is my friend. That being said, the chemistry of the panel is very important, not just the individual members.

  • Sassycatz

    I don’t know anything about Jessie J., but I like that formula. The underlying prescription is to “sound clever and be witty.”

  • bridgette12

    Just because Kelly and Carrie are the biggest sellers, don’t qualify them to be judges either. They can do better than those two when it comes to the judges panel. That’s why I don’t want a judges panel, because you are limiting your number of potential judges. Keep it open to everyone and find a group that will work together.

  • HKfan

    Adam was a guest judge on Project runway and was great:)

  • Montavilla

    We don’t actually know if the point is to show that Idol “produces stars.” It’s something we’re collectively assuming at this point. Although it’s not a huge leap considering the names that keep being floated in the media.

    My personal feeling is that the big names experiment has failed big time with Idol, and Melinda would be a great choice because she’s proved to be spontaneous, engaging, funny, honest, and smart. All without (as RuPaul would say) comprising her Christianity. There will probably be many viewers, even long-time viewers that wouldn’t remember her name immediately. However, once they saw her in action, they’d fall in love with her.

    Ultimately, that would be more important than anything else.

    But that’s not to say that it would happen with Jennifer Hudson as well. I’m just more familiar with Melinda Doolittle as this point, as a personality.

  • bridgette12

    Don’t know much about JJ either, but why bring over a Brit, when you got plenty of Americans that could feel that spot. Lord knows, that we have plenty of stars in the US that has that elusive trait that’s thrown around as the end all for all judges, “tons of credibility”.

  • Larc

    There could even be some people who wouldn’t like Carrie as a judge. She may not have the personality for it. Although she’s done a terrific job co-hosting the CMA Awards show with Brad Paisley, that’s mainly scripted. Idol judges have to be able to come up with comments on their own and deliver them on the fly, a different ballgame altogether.

  • curly_yenta

    First and foremost, the new judges need to be GOOD TV. I don’t care how many albums, or Oscars or Grammy’s they’ve won, they still might be ill-equipped to bring in viewers to Idol, which is what the PTB want. Case in point…. Mariah Carey who has sold bajillions of albums yet she couldn’t compose a concise critique if her life depended on it nor get along with all the others judges for whatever reason.

    Someone who looks good on the screen, is clever, funny, sharp tongued, witty, can form a clear thought quickly and is knowledgable about music and it’s history is essential and most of all, has a bunch of chemistry with the other judges is a must. Very few alums fit the bill, imo.

  • Incipit

    Eh, I think it’s a step in the wrong direction, Montavilla. If the alumni were mentors, that would be useful to the contestants. One Idol alumni judge or a whole panel of them – this is a gimmick , IMO.

    Idol has a track record for answering the question that nobody asked – and pretending that they did – instead of addressing the actual concerns. Like, let’s have a second Beatles Night by (Imaginary) Popular demand…and ‘Oh, Idol still loves Paula’ – when the question was “WTH Happened?” with her seeing into the future…etc.

    But this could be FOX, not Idol PTB – and they also have a track record – - of being almost totally clueless when it comes to picking judges. So it’s six of one, half dozen of the other – and both of them Bite. IMO. Of Course.

  • matt89

    I think we have to take a step back and breathe a little

  • Sassycatz

    Well, I’m with ya there. I don’t think we need to import clever panelists. But, the Idol PTB seem to be allergic to anyone with a career, relevant opinions and knowledge, and some biting humor. Exhibit A: Harry Connick.

  • bridgette12

    Well Carrie herself said in an interview that she don’t have much personality. If she can admit it, I know the rest of us can. Selling a lot of albums and being able to tour big, don’t automatically qualify you to be a judges. Idol has made some horrendous choices when it’s comes to the Judges let’s not make it worse by picking a alum panel full of dead personalities.

  • MyDailyComment

    She had to hear Simon tell her that her performance was not very good and that he didn’t think she was capable of better, so she can use her experiences in her judging technique.

    I want to see how she would be a judge after the things that were said to her on the show.

  • bridgette12

    Sorry, but Harrick reminds me of the Grouch on Sesame Street. Really don’t like him, he always seem to be in a bad mood.

  • MyDailyComment

    They know how it feels to be judged and to get that feedback so they might better know what the contestants need to hear.

  • matt89

    You’re right, its not just about a single judge, its how they all coalesce that’s the most important.

  • MyDailyComment

    Can you give details of how she poorly handled her bottom 3 moments?

    And if you limit it only to winners you get fewer choices, and some of the winners have no musical accomplishments.

  • windmills

    Huh? If you’re talking about Carrie’s Marie Claire interview, she said she was a “liitle more closed” and has to fight a physical reaction of nerves and fear in public situations. At no point did she say anything about not having a personality. Here are the quotes: link

    Being introverted in public situations is not the same thing has not having a personality. In fact, the interview you’re probably referencing having describes Carrie as having a strong personality. If you read the author Allison Glock’s comments, she characterizes Carrie as a “tough broad,” says she’s “refreshing” in a way that’s rare for celebs, and that unlike many of her peers, she aims for “admirable” over “adorable.” Brad Paisley jokes that Carrie is “‘Curb Your Enthusiasm’ in high heels.”

    I don’t think the AI judge role and Carrie are a good fit for each other, but not because of anything having to do with the amount of personality Carrie has. It’s more what Carrie herself has said: she’d find it very difficult to tell a person to give up their dreams, and that’s something you have to be willing and feel qualified to do in this context.

  • bridgette12

    Your right, Carrie shouldn’t be a judge.

  • merkureye

    I actually agree that there are plenty of people here in the U.S. that would make great judges. And the “tons of credibility” aspect, in and of itself, is meaningless as far a being an interesting judge/personality is concerned.
    Case in point, Marian Carey. She has the music credibility but no abillity to communicate in an interesting, witty manner. As far as credibilty is concerned apparently once you have it, you can do no wrong. I’m shocked that Mariah’s embarassing, lyp-synched AI Finale performance has the most views of any performance(s) of the Finale (over 1 million views), Go figure.
    /

  • bridgette12

    I was a big fan of hers on the show. I liked the attitude she showed. But now, it’s almost like she’s some type of car salesman, hawking her wares.

  • alterego

    Kelli Pickler, Heejun Han, Casey Abrams, Matt Giraud. They are entertaining, witty personalities – that is if those qualities supersede musicial ability, sales success, industry recognition.

  • merkureye

    You said it better. Thanks Sassycatz!

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Sounds like Adam Lambert to me. :)

  • bridgette12

    That’s the problem with Idol, they got caught up in the competition with the other shows and decided to spend megabucks on judges and didn’t look beneath the surface to actually see what type of person they are buying for that money. At first, I thought that she was a good choice, even though paid too much. Mariah just didn’t bring anything to this show and then add Nicki to the equation and all you got was a lifetime mean girl episode. But XFactor and Idol has learned a valuable lesson about paying megabucks to these people who can’t deliver anything but bland. I loved Mariah in her heyday, but the artist she is today, makes me sad. When you are the Mariah Carey and you lip sync your own songs, that’s pathetic.

  • suenigma

    Umm What? I can name dozens of singers who are more famous than Jhud, and even more that have sold at least 10 tems the number of albums and singles that she has. My friend is one of them.

  • KayLo17

    Why do Adam Lambert fans want him on the panel soooo bad? I really want an honest answer?

  • YankeeFan08

    Someone who looks good on the screen, is clever, funny, sharp tongued, witty, can form a clear thought quickly and is knowledgable about music and it’s history, someone who doesn’t take themselves too seriously or worry about audience reaction to their comments, and most of all, has a bunch of chemistry with the other judges is a must. Very few alums fit the bill, imo.

    You described Adam Lambert!

  • suenigma

    Well said. She has made a a success of herself, but she is does not have the connection to Idol viewers that Kelly, Adam, Carrie, et al have. I would put Daughtryin the same category actually. I think he is extremely talented and has been hugely successful, but as an AI personality he didn’t make a great connection, and I think that although he has the cred, he would not make a good judge either.

  • bridgette12

    I would tell you, but this thread is about Jennifer, wouldn’t want it to evolve into an Adam Lambert thread. Wouldn’t be fair to those who want to talk about her.

  • matt89

    So many reports

  • suenigma

    Last year I was adamantly opposed to the idea. He was still in his album cycle, and was wise to remain focussed on touring and promotion. But right now is the perfect time for him – he’s between albums and it is a form of extra promotion. He may lack a bit of the sales and radio credibility that some of the other candidates have, but he has the perfect personality for being a judge. Snarky but kind, witty/funny, knowledgeable. I don’t even know exactly why, but I just think that it would work.

  • julesb2183

    I actually want Kelly to be a judge. She’d be great and she has all the qualifications – multi-platinum selling artist, classically trained vocalist, bubbly personality and Idol viewers love her. Hope she’d consider it if she is asked.

  • L. R. M. L.

    “Someone who looks good on the screen, is clever, funny, sharp tongued, witty, can form a clear thought quickly and is knowledgable about music and it’s history, someone who doesn’t take themselves too seriously or worry about audience reaction to their comments, and most of all, has a bunch of chemistry with the other judges is a must. Very few alums fit the bill, imo”.

    Kellie Pickler would be one of the very, very few alums who would fit that bill.

  • ali_359921

    Actually, You can .

  • AHotDamnMess

    I think I’d actually really love Kelly, Jennifer, and Adam. I wish they could somehow get pink but that’s wishful thinking I think.

  • Madilo

    Wasn’t there a thread month ago when she stated that Idol should just go the high road and stop airing ? If yes then why would she negotiate to be a part of the panel, like really ?

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    It’s simple for me — because he said he wants to be an Idol judge. It’s his life and his career.

    I think a bigger question is why would Jennifer what to be an Idol judge? In January 2013, she said, “‘American Idol’ changed the face of television. So, not everyone can say that. And, it’s always been a phenomenon. I’m proud to have come from ‘American Idol,’ so I just say, go out on top.” “Everything has its time.”

  • bridgette12

    Nope, won’t do it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    I love Jennifer but sometimes it feels like she will do ANYTHING. I’m sure they are offering her lots of money, sometimes she feels so calculating, like it’s all just a “business” to her and she only has so many years to make lots of money. I mean, I wish she would have sign only if they get other Idols on the panel but it will probably be her and other robotic “business first” celebrities.

  • bridgette12

    $,$$$,$$$ is always a good mind changer for some people.

  • irockhard

    “It’s simple for me — because he said he wants to be an Idol judge. It’s his life and his career.

    To be an Idol judge?

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    I’m not a big fan but he is fantastic live singer and he is funny and I think he’s a nice person who would not be overly harsh- he has a beautiful voice- and live singing is what the show is supposed to be about. It would be a nice change from judges like J-Lo who only lip sync if you had some judges who could actually get up there like he and Jennifer and bring the house down if they wanted to.

  • No Thanks

    That’s how the entertainment industry works. Mama got a baby to feed. She needs to grab those opportunities while she can. There is no guarantee the work will keep coming in a few years time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    Mariah didn’t lip sync though- she did three versions and they edited it together, the best parts of each three, and the editing was sloppy and some of the video did not match what she was singing.

  • mmb

    lol no. Its just something that he thinks would be fun to do. He has great affection for the show. He is working on a new album for RCA, has concert gigs lined up this summer, and that won’t stop. I think most Adam fans like the idea of him being a judge because they think he will be a good one — entertaining, honest, articulate, good with a quick come-back. He will bring some male fashion-forwardness to the panel. He was a good mentor a few years ago. He is a fan of the show and contestants and will want to see them shine. And, at least IMO he will try to keep the focus on the contestants, not the judging panel…just as he kept the focus on Angie during their Idol duet (giving her the best parts to sing, standing off to the side etc.)

  • suenigma

    100 times better. Candice is a legend in the making. She is such a sophisticated and nuanced vocalist.

  • windmills

    With Carrie’s schedule for the rest of 2013, it’s a moot point anyway.

  • Landon Cox

    There was a reason she was called Farmbot during her Idol run

  • KayLo17

    It’s about the promotion, isn’t it? Nothing about being witty/funny because I can name other witty/funny knowledgeable alumni

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    It is called the “music business” and the “entertainment industry” for a reason — that is what it is.

  • taylor

    At first I wasn’t sure about this idea of an Idol alumni judging panel, but when they started throwing names like Jlo and will.i.am out there, I realized that an Alumni panel sounded much more interesting than the same old same old big name people to throw money at. People like Jlo, will.i.am, and the panel last year don’t have long term connections to the show or its audience. They are one and doners. The come in, get there millions, leave, and never look back.

    Idol got caught up in trying to match The Voice. AI built its audience on three complete unknown judges and the story being about the contestants. This could have a way of bringing the focus back to the contestants, by having X-contestants who have made it as the judges. It’s something that is completely unique to Idol and that none of the other shows can do, or even come close to.

    At this point, AI can’t really hire three total unknowns, but this one-upping that it is trying to do on the panel by bringing in “bigger names” just makes the show look desperate. Why not try something completely different and something that no other show could do? Put the focus back on the present contestants, which Idol Alum would automatically understand. They would automatically identify with the contestants, the show, each other and the audience. Those are things that wouldn’t have a learning curve, like with the celebrity judges.

    There is more chance of this working than bringing in another group of three big names and hoping they work well together, that they care somewhat about the contestants or the show, and that they understand what the contestants are going through and what makes American Idol special. To all these big name celebrities, it’s just another paycheck.
    Alumni Judges might could help, with other changes, to give Idol back the story it has been missing. The farm girl to fame story- all about the kids- its heart.

  • windmills

    And there’s a reason why media who interview her and people who actually get to know her consistently talk about their surprise to discover that she’s anything but a ‘bot.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Whether Idol brings in a “big name” or Idol alums, Industry professionals, up and coming singers, artists who have seen better days–it doesn’t matter as long as they meet the criteria.

    That would be to remember that: They’re on a TV show and ENTERTAIN the audience. To not be afraid to criticize. To speak eloquently and succinctly, To respect their fellow judges on the panel and behave professionally.

    Personally, I’d rather see a panel made up of a mix of people from all over the industry. An Idol alum could certainly be part of that mix.

  • Allison

    I think Fantasia, Melinda or Ruben would all be better than Jennifer (if TPTB are looking for “non-white” Idol as you say.) Fantasia is sassy, Melinda too, as well as knowledgable. Ruben was always very well-liked. Heck for that matter bring the Clay & Ruben show back – the one that captivated the country.
    And what about Jordin Sparks? She’s young and may be considered “current” at least by Idol standards?

  • jpfan2

    If this is true, it’s a shame that didn’t keep Randy. A panel of all performers will be very hesitant to be “negative.” I could see a panel of all Idols playing nice as boring. I kind of hope Kelly isn’t involved as train wreck potential is looming.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I agree that Kelly would be a great judge, but for her own sake, I don’t want her to do it. There are so many better things for her to do.

  • jpfan2

    I agree with you 100%. Kelly has made a big career comeback in the past year so to see her associated with Idol’s fading franchise seems like a step backwards.

  • Reflects On Life

    Sassy, ITA that whatever panel they end up with should have been tested out first, ensuring that the chemistry is at least good-natured, their feedback provides a variety of critique (vocal technique, performance/styling, strategy/songchoice), and that the overall effect of the panel adds to the entertainment value of the show. Heck, even scripted shows do many auditions of multiple leads to see which pairings/trios produce the most charisma and intrigue onscreen. AI should definitely follow their lead.

    My comment was more toward the naysayers who would write off JHud entirely. Since ultimately AI is equal parts vocal competition and reality show, and since inspirational success stories are part of the aspirational nature of this show, I think JHud is worth considering for such an audition, given her talent, success, and life story.

  • xboxmas

    Well being on that failed show Duets didnt seem to make her career go backwards.

  • Larc

    Even the “knowledgeable about music and its history” part? That’s a multi-genre requirement. I honestly don’t know what Kellie’s qualifications are in that area since I’ve never heard her talk along those particular lines.

  • jpfan2

    I don’t even remember that show. ;) Idol is a bigger platform. I don’t think anything will really hurt Kelly’s career but I still hope she passes on Idol.

  • taylor

    Yeah, I get it and that had been my thinking all along until I realized I was slightly disappointed that the All-Alumni rumor wasn’t true. I could care less who makes up this fantasy alumni panel, if it changes every year or even if it was for one year only. At first, I thought the idea was crazy, then thought there might be some kind of brilliance behind the craziness. (of course, brilliance and decisions by TPTB don’t mix, so…)

    At the end of all of this, Idol is still going to probably hire three big names, totally unrelated to each other, or anything Idol, judges. The Voice will still be competing with a panel that has a history with each other and the show they are on, and have built up great chemistry over the years.

    It’s going to be a rough road, they need to get this one right, and this should be the first step of many if they want to turn it around.

  • Karen C

    I think it is also important to have someone that can find stars out of raw talent. I think that is one of the things that is missing from the original judges, though Jimmy Iovine has filled some of this role

  • http://www.jstamers.com/ Jordan Seltzer

    Deadline has confirmed the talks and also that Nigel is probably out.

    They also mention Kelly, Clay and Adam have been approached.

  • No Thanks

    Well, there you go. Deadline usually gets the dirt right.

    http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/jennifer-hudson-in-talks-for-american-idol-judge-gig/

  • taylor

    Do they really, or are you being sarcastic?

    The only reason I want to know is because of the Nigel rumor! lol

  • No Thanks

    I’m not being sarcastic. Deadline Hollywood is an industry insider. They usually out scoop industry rags like Hollywood Reporter and Daily Variety.

  • chillj

    I have never heard her actually converse, which should be a requirement. I probably would not tune in out of the curiosity that would make me otherwise tune in for a new judge. I admire her character, but I don’t think she is a fascinating personality. Same goes for McPhee who I have seen on talk shows; she is not a television personality. A good performer, but not a personality. The show needs one.

  • jpfan2

    The articles confirms JHud is in talks to be a judge. But she “may” join other returning Idols. That rumor isn’t confirmed 100%. Ditto for Nigel (although I’m sure he’s gone)..

  • Face

    ‘big career comeback’… LOL… sort of implies Kelly had a career big gap or a few career failures that she came back from… which as far as I understand isn’t the case…

  • Face

    Jessie J isn’t great on The Voice UK… IMO… so I think would be a terrible addition to the AI panel… there are so many other choices… be they American, British or from somewhere else all together…

  • http://twitter.com/jasongorny92 Jason Gorny

    Not sure how I feel about former Idols coming back as a judge. I would rather have them come back as a guest judge or a mentor.

  • AHotDamnMess

    It seems Jennifer is a lock to be a judge..if you just do a simple google search there’s tons of articles with headlines stating shes “coming home” or joining the judging panel..all we need now is an official statement from mrs hudson herself or fox :)

  • windmills

    Entertainment Weekly also got confirmation from Kelly’s rep that she won’t be a judge:

    Early reports threw Kelly Clarkson’s name out as well, but her rep just confirmed to EW she will not be a judge next season.

    The article also refers to the other rumors about JHud (whose rep didn’t respond to EW’s request for confirmation) and Clay/Adam.

    My version of reading the tea leaves: Idol brass are trolling the media and fans with this all Idol panel when it is nothing more than a possibility, and they’re doing it to spur conversation while slyly getting it out there that Idol is the only show that has launched any recognizable names. It does seem like there’s mutual interest between Jennifer and AI, though it could just be her team being OK with her name being out there as a rumor.

  • xboxmas

    Also, she will always be associated with idol no matter what. She is the original winner.

  • taylor

    Thanks! :) I hope Nigel is out!

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    They are all based on The Vulture and E! News sources. I am skeptical.

  • Incipit

    Michael Orland says on his twitter page that he knows it’s all over the web, but he won’t believe a word until Jennifer or FOX confirms. Seems a reasonable position to take amidst all the rumors. IMO.

  • damo

    If they chose Adam, Jennifer, and Kelly, TPTB need to give them a mentoring role. It might bring some new life to the show.

    If they chose JLO and Will I Am, Idol is toast.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Coincidentally, these rumors are swirling at the same time as year end/sweeps end ratings numbers are released, that report a 30% drop for Idol, and the loss of it’s #1 position as overall entertainment and singing competition show.

    Things that make you go Hm.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    If Idol offers Kelly 8 figures which she is worth, I wonder it the rep’s story would change.

    I think there is a chance this is either a PR stunt timed to create positive press instead of negative press since the Idol single sales #s for AI12 are not good, or just a trial balloon.

    I expect like last year they are going to talk to lot of people and consider a lot of options. Throw out a lot of ideas to gauge response and generate buzz. Plus with so many cooks in the kitchen, and Nigel apparently out, I cannot imagine they would sign the judges so quickly.

    Personally, I like this one — Kelly, JHud and Adam would be an interesting and diverse panel. And I think it would work. But I remain very skeptical.

  • windmills

    Yeah, great point. Nothing like redirecting people’s attention!

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    And what better way than to remind folks of what Idol has that the others don’t.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    What a coincidence! lol

  • abbysee

    Just wake me up when the show starts in January. All of this stuff is just like flatulence in the wind, it stinks and does nothing for my disposition. I hope whoever they impanel brings something more to the table than a certain level of fame. It has to be the right mix. Maybe they should sit them down in the same room for a couple of days, send them on a retreat or something to create some kind of chemstry. This hodgepodge of names is nothing more than crumbs for the idol faithful to chew over. Just let it make some sense, please! If I have to sit through JHud, not Clay Aiken too. Damn.

  • Sammy

    There is nothing musical about Jennifer. lol Yes, she can scream but she doesn’t understand music beyond the surface. If you want alums who have deep understanding of music, who live and breathe music, then get Kelly, Fantasia, David Cook, Daughtry, Taylor, Haley, Crystal or Philip. Still I wouldn’t want any of them to be on the judging panel. I prefer someone new and not related to Idol.

  • girlygirl

    yeah this is basically what they did last season before Keith, Mariah & Nicki signed on, only this time they are throwing out the names of ex-Idols instead of non-Idols

  • girlygirl

    Michael’s no dummy :)

  • windmills

    Bingo! I can’t be mad because it’s probably smart on AI’s part. But on the other hand, knowing we’re probably in for a loooooong summer of rumors is kind of annoying and I’m pre-exhausted :p

  • Larc

    “If this is true, it’s a shame that didn’t keep Randy.”

    Go wash your mouth out with soap! ;)

  • L. R. M. L.

    I’m not sure that the other alums named in here know so more about music and its history than she does.
    But my point is that she has personality galore, witty and she is such a hard worker and FAST learner. Like she did on DWTS, whatever she needs to know she will learn and I mean learn quickly. JMO

  • irockhard
  • vamp111

    I hated this comment that she made:

    Seriously, was “Idol” ever as exciting again once Adam’s season was over?

    Yes it was Lyndsey, yes it was. Not everybody was in love with Adam. Seasons 10 and 11 were better as far as overall contestant quality compared to Season 8.

  • Sammy

    Sorry but Haley, Crystal, Philip, and Candice are way more interesting that overrated Adam.

  • babyspock

    I read in an article that the african-american viewership was up ~40% in late april compared to last year. Next season’s finalists are not going be 40% african-american especially if they want to lure back some of the middle american viewers. Idol need an african-american judge to keep these african-american viewers happy. If idol is going to for an all-alum judges table, the only choices are Jennifer or Fantasia and Jennifer is much more appealing to middle america.

  • Sassycatz

    LOL! No thanks, Lyndsey Parker. I don’t think David Cook needs Idol to “give him a job” … or needs your condescension. I’m sure he’s doing well enough and can support himself.

  • bridgette12

    Your right it’s not lip syncing, it’s clever editing.

  • irockhard

    She’s an Adam stan, if he’s not your thing then just ignore what she writes about him, that’s what I do.

    And yeah I also much preferred S10 and even S11 contestants to those of S8.

  • irockhard

    Idol needs strong AA contestants to keep AA viewers happy.

  • bridgette12

    I don’t think she meant it as an insult.

  • abbysee

    Yes, it’s the way it works, but not always good for the entertainer. She has a brand to protect. Accepting anything now, can influence what you can accept, or are offered in the future. Not saying idol isn’t great on your resume, but having another hit movie, or hit song is going to do more for your brand in the long run. She needs that more than idol. IMHO, of course.

  • taylor

    Or Jordin. She said they offered her the job last year.

  • vimana

    To be fair, Lyndsey Parker did not refer to the overall contestant quality level of Adam’s season, but to its excitement factor.

  • september21

    I firmly believe if Robin & Jennifer were two other people – the show coulda done better. Even in the summer season. John and Kelly were probably why the 2-4 million people who watched – did. I recall people on here, as a small sampling, weren’t even familiar with Robin….heck even he was actually pretty good. Jennifer Nettles’ nails on chalkboard personality killed the show. imo of course.

  • bridgette12

    Unlike most of the Idols, Jennifer is not going out on the road to tour. I can’t remember if she ever went out on a real tour. But for someone like her, it’s a great job. Limited hours, stay in LA and use the show to pimp her projects.

  • Sassycatz

    It sure did read like one. I can only imagine the look he’d give her after reading that. LOL.

  • bridgette12

    You can’t get away from being associated with Idol. You can build your own career and have lots of success, but there are millions of people in various countries, who know you came from Idol. You can embrace or run from it, but either way, it’s a cross or blessing you have to bare.

  • Incipit

    I watched it twice and gave up – it was kinda boring, to me. I didn’t know any of the judge/mentor/singers but Kelly – didn’t much like how they sang what they sang…the critiques were rather empty, and none of the contestants were interesting. Three strikes and out.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Well, given their back history and the fact she didn’t use that phrase (or similar one) with any other idol, I’d take it as a small “dig”.

  • bridgette12

    She was right, Season 8 was a lot more exciting, especially the finale. Not only the results, but Adam and Kris with Queen and Adam with KISS was a great surprise and I loved it.

  • bridgette12

    I don’t know their back history, but she mentioned his name and gave him some press.

  • september21

    I hear ya. I’m a Kelly stan….no way I was missing her! And I think your not knowing the other three is normal. I happened to be a fair weathered Legend fan and have seen him in concert w/Sade. Thicke is annoying in that I don’t totally respect his lyrical tastes but love his “girl place” voice. I didn’t expect the show to stick really anyway but as a loyal stan of Kelly, it’s my duty to blame the other “stars” haha!

  • alterego

    Season 8 had the most vicious fan wars. So, no thanks.

  • vimana

    I watched the entirety of Season 8, but never noticed any semblance of fan wars on my TV set.

  • Incipit

    Eh, it’s all subjective, and a matter of opinion. And even her opinion is not fact. Since she asked, my answer would be – Season 8 was so unexciting (to me) I didn’t even watch any of it, because none of the contestants interested me.We are definitely not going to agree.

    ( I saw some episodes of Season 9 because of Siobhan.) I watched 10 for Haley until she was gone, then I quit – I watched 11 for Elise until she was gone, then I stopped watching that one too. I didn’t watch 12 at all, too frustrating – but I saw the videos of the Top 5 on here at mj’s.

    Lyndsey Parker and her opinions are pretty much on ‘ignore’ anyway.

  • http://twitter.com/HighTensions Jake W.

    Please no!

  • L. R. M. L.

    Nor quite sure anybody puts Adam Lambert in the same sentence as Carrie and Kelly.

  • HKfan

    yeh, would much rather have Jordan.

  • vimana

    You’re right, it’s all subjective… and a matter of opinion. There certainly is nothing objective in declaring an entire season of American Idol “so unexciting”, while admitting that you have not watched any of it!

  • HKfan

    Season 8 was the most exciting to me….I’ve never been ‘excited’ about what a contestant is going to sing since then, apart from possibly Haley. I’ve known exactly what sort of song each contestant was going to sing and how they were going to sing it since then. So while there has been some good, even great singers since then, there has been no excitement, just predictability..

  • irockhard

    Well S8 didn’t give me this so called “excitement factor”, S10 did.

  • Incipit

    vimana, watching a show on TV is not the only way to see any parts of it – there are videos and the ability to check it out, with opinions all over the web.

    I had no interest in Season 8 as a whole – and I didn’t claim to be objective. That year, I checked out some of the contestants’ videos. There were no contestants I wanted to follow up on. I did the same thing this year, with the same results. It happens. I count it a good year when even one contestant is interesting, to me. Subjectively, of course. Heh.

  • vimana

    Yes, Incipit, there are many ways to watch a TV show. But, in the case of American Idol, what are the ways that truly matter to FOX and its decision makers? I do not think they worry much about fan wars in YouTube comments or on a blog such as this one…

    To go back to Lyndsey Parker’s comment about Season 8, I concur with her: that particular season was very exciting, and very much so because of Adam Lambert. While I did not always like his style of singing (some of his wailing made me cringe), I was always looking forward to what he would do next. As a viewer, he kept me interested and even captivated.

  • Incipit

    OK. That’s fine. Season 8 captivated you. Season 8 did not captivate me. Personal preferences.

    Lindsay Parker is mostly on ignore, and FOX and its decision makers may love to see fan wars for the buzz, but I don’t care about those – just as FOX and its decision makers couldn’t care less what I watch or enjoy, or what pleases me – I’m way out of their Ad Demo…what matters to them doesn’t matter to me at all. And I’m good with that.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I admit that I lol’ed when I read that Lyndsey suggested Chris Sligh. lol

  • vimana

    Yes, Incipit: personal preferences. And personal prejudices. We all have them, to some degree…

  • vamp111

    Yeah why would they bring in a random 10th placer as a judge? Lol.

  • mmb

    Does no one else find it odd that – if e is to be believed – tptb signed up a new judge without any announcement re whether any of the old judges were returning? I mean, we know randy is gone, but Heath said he wants to come back, Mariah’s said nothing and nicki has said she doesn’t want to but hasn’t firmly stated she isn’t. Wouldn’t you usually expect some sort of statement re the current judges before anything official re new judges?? They don’t even get a proper thanks for your service but we’re moving on? I kind of find it hard to believe that they would sign j HUD – or anyone- before making an official statement re the current panel

  • bridgette12

    I’m sure all of this is just PR stunts, Idol don’t have a clue what they are going to do. The will waste months throwing names out and then in the end do a half ass job of picking a panel and end up with another shitty group of judges.

  • bridgette12

    What Idol is doing is trying to drum up some interest from the public and also save face with the sponsors by pretending they have a plan together to save this sinking ship. As usual, they are clueless, so they leak false stories and drop names for months until the deadline nears and they are forced to choose someone. Which of course, leads to bad choices and bad ratings.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    [blockquote]Even if the rumors are not true, the others may be happy to have their names floating around in the press.[/blockquote]

    Since Adam is in the middle of the Life Ball in Austria and will be performing a new song in about 20 hours, this is probably not the #1 thing he is thinking about. But even if he did, what is he going to say, my name is not on a list?

    ***
    As far as I can tell, The Vulture story is that someone representing Idol has talked to Kelly and Jennifer (or their management), and that they are considering an Idol Alum Superstar Panel. Plus, E! News is saying there is a deal with Jennifer.

    Beyond that there is a list with at least two names on it — Adam and Clay. I assume there is a list with a lot of names on it.

    So the only people/reps who can comment on anything meaningful are Kelly (whose rep did not deny the story, just said she would not be a judge) and JHud who has said nothing.

    With the news that Mike Darnell is out at FOX, this story seem more like spin to me.

  • Incipit

    Oh, I’ll agree they don’t have a clue – FOX or Idol – - and enough of them thought that feuding judges and putting Lazaro through before the voting rounds were good ideas to be very, very scary.

    But look on the bright side, bridgette12? Maybe Darnell’s successor at FOX will be looking to prove something, and they will maybe do a 3/4 ass job picking a panel. If they were just going to end up with another shitty group of judges, they may as well have kept Darnell.

    IMO.

  • irockhard

    Now this article I completely agree with. Making alums judges is both bad for the alums and bad for the show, here’s why:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/idolchatter/2013/05/24/american-idol-alums-as-judges-bad-idea/2359287/

  • bridgette12

    Whoever they choose, I hope that person understand that the people selected need to work as a group. When you look back at the original judges panel of Simon, Paula and Randy, they all understood their role on the panel. Simon was the top dog, Paula, the comforter and comedic relief, and Randy, Simon’s sidekick and the Dawg. It worked because they had good team dynamics and they were friends. The new panel for Season 13, need to be in place a at least a month ahead of time and give these people plenty of time to get to know one another and understand where they fit in, on the panel.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Thanks for posting that article. Brian makes a very valid, reasonable argument for why this idea is a very bad one. I agree completely.

  • Liteasy

    There were vicious fan wars between Adam/Danny fans, and that’s probably why Kris won! We don’t need that all over again.

  • http://twitter.com/jasongorny92 Jason Gorny

    I really hope we will not have idol alums as judges. I’m fine with them as mentor. Hope this is just a rumor. I want legitimate judges for season 13.

  • vamp111

    I feel like he would be negative no matter what tbh.

  • DragonFly

    Going to forget you ever posted that link. Some of those names are such amateurs for a judge job & would definitely not hold my interest even to catch their opinions on blogs!!! Can’t believe where some of these suggestions are coming from. Plus I kind of agree the remark about DC was a bit of a dig. Her saying “… give him a job.” vs. “…give him the job.” said 2 diff. things to me.

  • Sassycatz

    He’s making a lot of sense.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    The argument makes sense for some Idol alums — like Clay. But Kelly, JHud and Adam have achieve fame outside of the American Idol “sphere”.

    JHud left Idol at #7 and achieved fame after Idol — almost in spite of the impression she left on Idol.

    Adam became famous on Idol but has achieved his commercial success mostly outside of the Idol audience. Adam has fully embraced EDM and several other emerging genres.

    Kelly is one of the most successful pop artists of the past 10 years — and there is no way that commercial success is linked solely to Idol.

    Hip Hop (which is significantly older than Idol) and Idol do not mix well — I think Nicky proved that. And even The Voice has stayed far away from HH/urban music.

    The most out-of-touch part of this article is this statement is this:

    Hudson and Clarkson, particularly, could offer useful insight, since they actually managed to expand their careers to new audiences that never watched them on Idol in the first place. And Aiken and Lambert both are marvelous singers who could give helpful feedback on the technical aspects of performances.

    Brian appears to have very limited knowledge of Adam who put together his own tour and was ED for his last album and is a credible songwriter — and Brian knows less about his fans many of whom are not even in the US. (I doubt most of the people watching the Life Ball from Austria tomorrow or who watched Chinese Idol last week watch American Idol.)

    There are reasons to believe this is a bad idea — but not the ones Brian put forward. The question is would this panel and other changes make Idol entertaining and fun again. I think it would be. Others may not.

  • girlygirl

    Lol…well see, I would disagree with that. I found S8 had the strongest and most interesting/exciting group of contestants of any season.. But that’s just my opinion. Other people may think that S7 had the best overall quality or that S10 was the most exciting, or some such thing. I doubt we could ever come to a consensus on which season had the strongest group of contestants or which was the most exciting, simply because that’s based pretty much purely on personal taste. :)

  • girlygirl

    The fan wars really didn’t get out of hand until after the season.

  • LA944

    Season 10 was the most fun and exciting for me–even though I knew it would be Scotty/Lauren top 2. I just really liked the contestants and the diversity of musical styles. Especially Casey/Haley. Their musical friendship was cool to watch and it happened organically–which made it even better. It’s nice that some of them are still hanging out. At least most of them hang out with Casey.

    But, I did like season 8 too. I liked Kradison and thought the final 2 show was really good. (Better than season 10 final 2 by a mile) I don’t get the fan wars though. What’s the point?

    LP did have some interesting selections on her list. I would love if Melinda D got a shot.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Season 8 had the most vicious fan wars.”

    Nope. Season 2 by a mile.

  • girlygirl

    Maybe I’m missing something but I’ve never noticed any issue between Lyndsey and David. In fact, I’ve always thought she liked him and has always said good things about him.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I sincerely believe one Idol alum should be a judge for Season 13.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    The only place there were “vicious fan wars” was online on a few Idol blogs. And many people were fans of multiple AI8 contestants — hence Kradam and Kradison were invented.

    Two of the best seasons were AI5 and AI8 — and they did not become less entertaining because the winners did not sell massively.

    Anyway, if you look at the US Album charts, the only Americans selling albums are Country artists. (All the American artist who had top 10 albums in 2012 were Country, British or Canadian.)

  • Valarie

    Since Brian was talking about American Idol, not Chinese Idol, his comments were spot on, imo.

  • LA944

    As I said in another thread–TPTB should be auditioning potential judges. Then, take the best 12 or so candidates and find out which 3/4 have the right chemistry together. If Jennifer has def been hired–then they need to find the right mix to join her. So, I hope they at least TPTB audition a number of people to fill the other slots.

    Wasn’t watching AI in season 3 –except for a show here and there. But, I have heard how she was a shocking elimination. She worked hard to get where she is in the business. It probably is gratifying for her to be asked to join the show.

    However, she may or may not be good at the job. I find it nuts that they are just hiring people without testing them to see how they do as a judge. Especially, after the fiasco last season.

  • MV007

    This is not terribly realistic. Nobody worth anything would subject themselves to an audition process. The only people willing to audition would be people who are desperate.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    So the same celebrities who’ll do screen tests for movie roles won’t deign to do one for an Idol judging gig with a multi-million-dollar paycheck, even when doing the screen test for “chemistry” with other judges means it’s likely they will have a better experience if hired?

    Honestly, anybody who combines that level of egocentrism and lack of common sense probably wouldn’t be a good judge.

    New judging candidates should be arm-twisting for screen tests to happen before the judging slate is finalized, so that none of them risks ending up in the Keith Urban role of having a feud going on over their heads.

  • Sassycatz

    If they are not willing to test run themselves on the panel, then they don’t get the job with the millions of dollars salary and the (still) great exposure.

  • Larc

    Bringing Idol alumni back as judges may not be the best move, but it would be a move. Something is better than nothing. Just doing the same old same old hiring of celebrity judges doesn’t work. That’s already been proved conclusively.

  • Larc

    Then tell those who aren’t willing to do it to hit the road, Jack.

  • maymay

    Idol fans can promote their favorite alums to be judges. But it doesn`t matter because non Idol fans don`t care about Idol alums at all. Idol fans can brag about how great Idol alums are. But so what? Who cares?

    Looking for an ideal judge panel is easy or difficult? It is up to Fox`s common sense. Last season`s panel was a disaster because of lack of common sense. Nicki can`t attract Idol`s traditional viewers. Her genre is rap which Idol viewers don`t appreciate. Her bitch personality can`t match Idol viewers` conservative taste. And two strong female judges being at the same panel always doesn`t work. Who wants to see two women war?

    Choosing Idol alums as judges shows Fox doesn`t have common sense again.

  • czt

    I think it is hilarious to read comments from those who profess to not watch Idol, or haven’t watched it in years and have no interest in watching in the future. If you have no interest in Idol, why are you following the Idol blogs and why are you taking the time to comment? I don’t buy it. If I don’t enjoy something, I certainly don’t waste my time following it….

  • LA944

    I think it’s very realistic. As the others have said–they will earn plenty of money for the gig. If they don’t want to test–they don’t get hired. There are very few in show biz who don’t audition for roles whether it be in movies or on tv. And the ones who are considered super stars and feel insulted to have to audition–they would require too big a pay check anyway.

    Plus, they aren’t aren’t auditioning as singers or whatever their current position is in the industry. They are testing for something new. It’s a different skill set.

    And even if someone has experience as a judge on another show –or is someone like Harry C Jr who has already demonstrated what he’d be like in the chair–they still need to test with other candidates for chemistry. IMO

  • bridgette12

    The answer to your question is very simple, “because we can”.

  • september21

    What an awesome use of the word deign….
    They really should consider backup singers from a well known group- their egos might fit in the door. And, I bet some of them are pretty funny and humble.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    Thanks!

  • czt

    Okay, but I still don’t understand. I don’t like golf and I certainly wouldn’t watch it on tv. I wouldn’t waste time reading golf blogs/articles. If people don’t like Idol, why do they waste their time following it, other than “because we can”. I’m curious ….

  • bridgette12

    Because Idol use to be a show I loved and now it’s a total mess and being able to discuss it with others of various opinions seems logical to me. I kind of figured that grownups should be able to have a discussion whether your in total agreement of not.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    And she turned it down? And so they went with Mariah Carey and Nicki Minaj as second choices? Why don’t I believe this?

  • Dianne

    I am trying to remember, were there any AA contestants the year Kris Allen won? Rand

  • bridgette12

    Lil was on season 8.

  • Dianne

    I didn’t get into AI blogs till 8. So what was the dealio season 2?

  • vamp111

    I think those who claim the “don’t like it” and still take the time to discuss it still like it in some way. Otherwise, why would they take the time to comment?

  • Dianne

    The finale was the best ever!

  • vamp111

    One bad season doesn’t mean the whole show is a mess now. Seasons 10 and 11 were very good.

  • vamp111

    She said she turned it down because she thought she would be too nice, but then she says she regretted turning it down because it would have been “fun.”

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Please keep the conversation in this post ON TOPIC. Fanwarish bicking over the Best Idol Season Evah? Not the topic

  • elliegrll

    Traditional idol viewers are over 50 years old, and won’t bring in any money. That isn’t the demo that AI or Fox are trying to attract.

    Fox would have been fine if AI attracted 10 million viewers this season, just as long as a large percentage of those viewers were in the key demo. I think that the people in that category have a different perception of Nicki Minaj than you do. BTW, the median age for the show was down at the start of the season, so I don’t think that Nicki was the biggest problem this year.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    I think what she meant was ”she was being considered” like many singers last year(Nick Jonas, Adam, Pharell etc etc).

  • wordnerdarchie

    I’ve always wondered what is so desirable about the 18-49 demo. My kids are in that age group (lower end) and I spend much more on electronics, travel, music, etc. than they do. My kids don’t have very much disposable income, while I do. Someone explain to me what Fox/advertisers’ thinking is – why they don’t care about the older age demographic. Or is it that we’re just not considered cool? I think our opinions about judges should matter.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    what is he going to say, my name is not on a list?

    Well, if you re-read the THR report (like I did) that’s exactly what Adam’s reps did, telling THR that nobody from Idol has contacted him.

    http://www.mjsbigblog.com/kelly-clarkson-wont-be-judging-american-idol-13.htm

  • Incipit

    Interesting question, wordnerdarchie. It can’t be the money spent – the whole disposable income thing is true for me as well…It’s probably because some Focus Group has decided we are not so susceptible to advertising gimmicks for the ‘latest big thing’ , and tend to be more “Brand Loyal” – if the advertisers can’t hook us for new customers they aren’t interested in our age group.

    I guess people who ‘were’ in the demographic 12 years ago when they started watching the show have aged out. They are no good for a bargaining point on the price of the Ads, so Idol tried ignoring their preferences – and lost a LOT of viewers. Now, looks like they wanna make nice. Heh. Good luck with that.

    Indifference can run both ways – it’s not as if I will start buying Ford cars or begin to drink Coke just because of Idol.

  • elliegrll

    Researc has shown that:
    1. Younger people are more open to trying new products. and
    2. The people in that demo are the ones who are renting their first apartment, buying a new house, having kids, buying their first car, etc. This is the time when people are going through major life changes, so they are going to spend money.

  • taylor

    “Nobody worth anything would subject themselves to an audition process.”

    People like Nicki or Mariah? I would be okay ending up with a few Demi Lovato types, people who want the job and aren’t too proud to come in and prove themselves worth more money for the next season.

    Idol could do with less Nicki types and more Demi types.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    I’m no marketing expert, so I’ll leave the explanation to them. But, it has something to do with brand loyalty. The assumption is that because I am in my 50′s, I am already committed to one car company, one brand of soda, one cell phone provider. It is assumed I’m not likely to switch or try something new. So, if I am already a devout Ford driver and AT&T customer, the ads are wasted on me. If I am a Toyota driver and drink Pepsi products, the ads are wasted on me yet again because I’m not likely to be swayed by them. People in the ideal demographic, on the other hand, are still able to be swayed by the ads and can develop brand loyalty to these companies that will last a lifetime. But, if they aren’t watching Idol, why advertise on Idol?

    I guess a really bad sign will be when the sponsors of Idol are Depends, Viagra, and ads for The Jitter Bug cell phones.

    *Basically what Elliegirl said.

  • elliegrll

    It will be a huge problem because the companies who are targeting the 50 year olds are not going to pay as much for ad time as companies who are trying to target younger viewers.

  • elliegrll

    AI and Fox still want the younger viewers to start watching the show, since that’s how they will be able to pay their bills.

  • taylor

    IDK? I find it hard to believe myself, but someone brought that information over a couple of days ago.
    Who knows?

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Two words: Marriage. Babies.

    Those are the major life changes that lead to switching brand loyalties, as well as to developing brand loyalties in new product categories. So do leaving the parents’ home, starting college, graduating college, getting a first “real” job and apartment, and buying a first house. But marriage and babies are the two biggies.

    All of these life milestones also involve buying stuff.

    It’s rare that a person over 50 will do even one of these things, much less the whole slate. Even somebody who marries (or remarries) after 50 is mostly likely combining two existing households and getting rid of stuff, rather than buying lots of new stuff. (Moves to a smaller “empty nest” don’t count, as again, one usually sheds more than acquires.)

    ETA: elliegrll is correct that there’s a ton of research supporting the premise that younger people will change brand loyalties more readily. Indeed, the rise of “big data” has made advertisers more strongly interested in the young — apparently the difference in behaviors had been under-estimated before detailed consumer tracking was possible.

  • taylor

    There was Lil and Matt was bi-racial.

  • springboard2

    Excellent article.

  • breakdown

    What a crappy list!

  • springboard2

    I agree. I think that as people get older, they are not swayed as much by the emotional impulse advertising is based on.

  • Anny_nanny

    On their deeds I have associations: the house is rotten beams, bricks piled out of masonry, the door on one loop, the glass shattered, and the master goes in a shop for paint and paint rickety fence in merry color.
    Good luck!

  • irockhard

    But the thing is has the show itself been trying to attract younger viewers? They should be but are they really trying, up till now that is?

    The network yes by hiring Nicki, but the show l I’d say no cause they’ve refused to update the themes and songbook.

    Songs from the 60s-80s is not gonna appeal to the majority of the 20 & 30 something crowd – the most important portion of the 18-49 demo. So the show itself hasn’t really been catering to these people (the ones they should be catering to) but to older people.

  • springboard2

    I agree. Hiring Nicki without following it up with music and contestants that appeal to her target audience was a stupid move, imo.

  • irockhard

    Adam became famous on Idol but has achieved his commercial success mostly outside of the Idol audience. Adam has fully embraced EDM and several other emerging genres.

    But none of these genres have embraced him.

    Brian appears to have very limited knowledge of Adam who put together his own tour and was ED for his last album and is a credible songwriter — and Brian knows less about his fans many of whom are not even in the US. (I doubt most of the people watching the Life Ball from Austria tomorrow or who watched Chinese Idol last week watch American Idol.)

    Lambert is not a credible songwriter, he has no hits to his name as songwriter.

    And yes much of Lambert’s fanbase, especially those younger than 50, are outside the US. Which means that they are not relevant to either the show or the American music industry.

  • Face

    totally agree… i’m amazed more people don’t realise this… imo it’s just common sense… thanks for posting :)

  • Sassycatz

    I sometimes wonder whether the premises behind any of this research that’s been done on consumer buying habits hasn’t been updated in decades. They do know that the baby boomers have reached that 50 year old milestone and beyond, right? Everything revolved around the baby boomers for decades. They’re the original “Me Generation!” who had to everything now and it was all about them! These aren’t your grandma’s old folks, so suddenly their mindset has shifted into … not buying anything at all for themselves, including all those high tech consumer products that they upgrade every year? I don’t believe it.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Not only has it been updated, it’s now based on tracking actual consumer spending through loyalty cards and credit cards (along with tracking what sites you visit on your computer and mobile devices), where before it was much more experimental and probabilistic.

    Unless you pay for everything in cash and never use store loyalty cards, “big data” marketing companies know exactly how you spend your money. They also know what advertising messages you’re likely exposed to. Have you noticed that using a store loyalty card will often get you coupons on a product you buy, in a brand you don’t buy? Mmmm hmmmm. That’s a marketing experiment. Odds are that you throw out that coupon without using it if you’re over 50. That it was issued to you, but you kept buying your same brand, is in somebody’s database.

    As many have said before, nobody claims that aging Baby Boomers don’t spend. It’s that the over-50 crowd doesn’t have big-spending life milestones coming up and is far less open to changing brand loyalties in a whole array of consumer products. All indicators are that the data supporting that premise are more solid than was the case 20-30 years ago.

  • Sassycatz

    I guess I’m hanging around with the “wrong” 50 year olds. However, it’s probably nice to be an active consumer and yet not have “ad men” care one crap about them. Gnat free buying for the win!

  • Sassycatz

    I wouldn’t just put this on Idol exclusively. I’m sure the “news” sites who are reporting this are happily doing so just for the hits, regardless of the actual merits of the story.

  • emme1000

    I would hope that Kelly, JHud and Adam would judge….that would be a great panel. Clay kinda bugs….

  • bridgette12

    For me, Idol get most of the responsibility for these stories. They leak the info to their sources, who are in turn, more than happy to run it and get ahead of their competition. When Idol started walking hand in hand with TMZ, it jumped the shark.

  • wordnerdarchie

    I guess we’re just smarter consumers and aren’t swayed by the “smoke and mirrors” of big marketing campaigns, and they know it. ;)

  • irockhard

    And uncle Nigel is their direct link to TMZ isn’t he? Another reason to get of him, it’ll hopefully sever some of those ties.

  • bridgette12

    Yes he needs to go. The man had too much power and it’s corrupted him. He helped to create the story on Idol, then had his good buddies at TMZ to pimp the story, never taking into consideration, the affect it would have on the Idols, the show and how it’s looked upon from the outside.

  • Larc

    As I understand the reasoning behind the push for the younger demo, it’s not so much a matter of who buys the most as who can be more easily swayed in what they buy. The 18-49 demo is thought to be more apt to try new and different things. So advertising probably works better on them. Many older people have already been through that stage and are more or less locked onto certain brands and buying habits. They aren’t as likely to change.

  • vdawg

    Idol needs judges with personality, just because you have a well known name does not mean you will be interesting as a judge. I do not know that JHud has that. Harry Connick Jr. has personality as does Blake Shelton and Adam Levine. Kellie Pickler would be interesting as would Taylor Hicks and Melinda Doolittle.

  • ScottieNewc

    Since they are discussing former contestants to be judges next season then why not Kellie Pickler? She would certainly be entertaining and America has already fallen in love with her!

  • ScottieNewc

    I posted before I read this lol. Yes Kellie would be great, she is perfect for the job, IMO.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Um, we all have a personality. Adjectives are needed here. As in what kind of personality do you want? Or are other things more important than one’s personality? As in, what qualities do we really want in the judges?

    Ideally, I would say you want different kinds of personalities who complement each other, not three or four people who are alike in too many ways. That’s why Dancing with the Stars has worked well.

  • iani

    I agree that ” there’s a problem: The American Idol universe is
    an insular one, a system that exists independently of the rest of the
    music scene… Bringing former contestants back as judges will only
    exacerbate this problem.
    , but hasn’t that problem started long
    time ago(the isolation/insular situation), the friction between the
    show and how it has been seen by “the rest of the music
    scene”
    ? AI has shown that bringing big-name judges nothing
    has been changed in the show’s status, bringing AI alums may as well but I think the insulation stays either way. AI has been (right now not so much anymore) a “power” on the music scene with lots of singles sold, as well albums, 2 big stars, some others with real good successes…Many people part of the industry have not seen the show and its success with “good eyes”, but a source to shake/threaten the industry’s environment of grassroots/real artists with some “wonders” coming from a reality show. The media also has reinforced its “power words” in the last years toward the show as “karaoke”, or the new one WGWG used everywhere to diminish AI’s power and finger-point why the show has started to go down, even though the music business in general has gone down as well. The isolation/insular situation seems to be almost from the beginning and increasing somehow with the show’s success based on sales and power-artists as well with any insuccess shown immediately everywhere. In MO TPTB’s mistake has been not reinforcing itself its insular status and working on making AI a more powerful show to “threaten” the industry’s power than making it a joke one in the name of “entertainment”.

  • irockhard

    Sure it’s been a problem for year’s now, Mansfield is saying is that hiring alums as judges is only going to make the show more insular and it’s already too insular.

    I’d say the show started becoming insular when Hicks won, that was a red flag for who votes the most.

  • iani

    I think AI is more insular than anything else in an industry, trying to be part of the industry might be long process to convince it that AI should to be part of with no problems to threaten other artists’ images. That reminds me of a joke when somebody tries to convince his friend that “black and white” television is actually a colored one because “white” is a color as well the “black” one.

  • irockhard

    AI doesn’t need to do anything special to become a part of the industry. The industry is driven by consumers, reach the ones that matter and you’re in. Find out:

    1. Where they are (on the internet, i.e. stream the show live online) and,

    2. What they buy (Hip Hop, EDM, Alt/Indie Rock, Alt R&B, Electro Pop, Teen Pop, Country Pop), and cast contestants who fit into those genres then let them perform those genres on the show.

  • MV007

    These people aren’t actors. And Tom cruise isn’t auditioning for roles anymore. And neither are most a list talent.

  • LeoCS

    I know I’m a little bit too late for that discussion but what about 3 permanent judges and a different Idol judging each week? Wasn’t S3 when it had a different judge each week? it could work.

  • Mateja Praznik

    How about no?

    The judges are supposed to develop some chemistry between each other. And bringing in a new person every week just isn’t going to help things. So, we need 3 or 4 PERMANENT judges.

  • LeoCS

    all right, that was just my opinion

  • irockhard

    Yes I believe they did that with celeb guests every week in S2 and S3. Funny how chemistry wasn’t an issue back then, because the 3 permanent judges had chemistry! Only the permanent judges need chemistry.

  • taylor

    Tom Cruise is still auditioning for roles. He auditioned for Rock of Ages. He had to go in and prove he could sing well enough to get the role. If he didn’t want the role enough to come in and sing and read for the role, they didn’t want him.

    The same concept should hold true with Idol, “A List” artists or not. If they don’t care enough about being on the show, to come in and do a trial run and meet with other judges, then why should AI want them? That’s part of the problem. Nicki could take Idol or leave it, and it showed all season long.

    The one new judge from last season who would have showed up to go through a couple of auditions was Keith Urban, and it showed throughout the season. In different circumstances, things might have worked out with him, because he did care for the contestatnts and was a long time fan of the show.

  • Sassycatz

    I actually share your opinion. There’s nothing wrong with having 3 permanent judges and inviting a fourth person each week for a fresh point of view. That should not deter the core group from developing chemistry.

  • asifclueless

    LOL .. This is funny. Heard it from E! on my TV. Something like this ….
    American Idol hasn’t confirmed yet who they are going to fill in the leaving audience. :)

  • taylor

    “But none of these genres have embraced him.”
    Adam has had several hits on the Dance charts.

    “they are not performed on the show by contestants, unlike XFUS.”
    XFUS is in the ratings cellar. It will be lucky if it comes back after this year. It is the last show that Idol needs to take tips from!

    “the bottom line is he won’t make the show relevant”

    The bottom line is neither will Jlo. Neither did Nicki or Mariah or Keith. Bieber would make it relevant. Do you want him as judge? The bottom line is it is time to get away from A listers who can’t form complete sentences and maybe get some music/Idol representatives, Industry people, vocal experts, entertainers who can leave their egos at the door, get along, support the contestants, and have fun on the show!

  • irockhard

    The bottom line is Idol’s format is designed to focus on the contestants. No matter who’s on the panel the season will excel or tank based on it’s cast of contestants.

    The S12 judging panel was a disaster but the judges have never been Idol’s biggest problem. And awesome judges are not gonna solve the show’s other, much more significant, problems.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    I kinda think Jennifer’s reps would have denied this already if it wasn’t true, they’ve had plenty of time to form a statement, so I’m guessing she probably will join the panel.

  • MV007

    That was one film he had to audition for and it required a very specific skill that nobody knew if he had. And your arguments have to do with what we would want in a perfect world. My point is that this is just isn’t going to happen. These musicians are not going to subject themselves to an auditioning process. That was my only point. Your living in a fantasy world if you think anyone with a real name is going to audition for this job.

  • taylor

    Judging AI requires a specific skill outside of being a successful music artist. If musical artists don’t want to come in and try to get a job where they are going to be paid millions and where the possible promotional opportunities can benefit them beyond that, then they don’t deserve it. No one is too good for that. Most hard-working, serious minded, artists would appreciate a process that took a job they were going to be doing for six months seriously.

    When you cheapen the process, you end up with judges like Nicki, Mariah, Jlo and Britney- A listers paid for their names, who have egos so big that they get in the way of everything and everybody else. No thank you to more of those “big names”, who are too good to come in and be put through an audition process.

  • Pippygirl

    Oh no! I switched from a PC to a Mac recently. Guess I’m going to have to turn in my AARP card.
    ;)

  • Incipit

    You guys are funny. Keep a tight grip on that AARP card! *snerk* I believe that Big Brother has your Metrics – for sure. Just bought a stackable W/D and now Maytag ads follow me everywhere – Even here! (And yes, I like Maytag because I know it’s a good product – wasn’t a candidate for another manufacturer’s brand.)

    But the problem I have with those metrics is that average people are no one at all. No one is right down the line ‘average’. If the marketers try to apply average stats to my music collection, my buying habits, what I do in my spare time – it’s not gonna work, for me individually…just like every tediously annoying generalization I see for someone my age and their supposed taste in music makes me LOL. Literally.

    Because “If you can’t do anything about it, laugh like hell.” IMO. And I know I’m not an anomaly.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    That’s terrific! I love my MacBook.

    Now, have you also changed your shampoo and toothpaste brands, your preferred juice and frozen/canned vegetable brands, your favorite stores for buying clothes and shoes, the kind of movie you prefer, and where you like to go for a casual dinner? How about buying nursery equipment and diapers?

    Advertisers are focused on mass behavior, so the “average” individual doesn’t have to fit the model perfectly. There just have to be really large numbers of people who behave roughly like the average. Similarly, the existence of outliers in any demographic doesn’t mean there’s not a lot of value in going after the middle of the bell curve.

    They’re looking for large segments of people who are open to lots of changes, many of them at the level of changing your preferred brand of butter, dish soap, or socks.

    It’s not a huge shocker that for the 50+ set, routine household decisions would no longer be in flux — because at some point, you know what you like and no longer have kids at home to influence the decisions. And really, don’t you have better things to do than worry about what’s the perfect butter for your personality and lifestyle?

  • Incipit

    Now, have you also changed your shampoo and toothpaste brands…

    Oh, that’s spooky! Yes, I have – and just because I don’t need baby equipment and supplies doesn’t make me unusual. The fact that I check out Consumer Reports and not the latest glitzy ad before I switch brands ‘may’ make me undesirable however. Heh.

    It’s when what is presented for me to purchase, listen to, enjoy/use is based on these ‘large segments’ and are nothing I want to buy that I tend to dismiss the whole thing as having no relevance to me. Because it doesn’t.

    The truth is, I didn’t like Pat Boone et al in the 1950′s and I’m still “Brand Loyal” – even in the reverse – I have no reason to prefer that AC style of music now either.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think that it’s probably true that Kelly was approached (her reps don’t deny that), but turned down the idea. Same with JHud, but “negotiations” are in progress and she hasn’t yet decided one way or the other. Adam’s reps deny that they have been contacted by Idol, and I think that’s true for Clay as well, but I think that both of their names are being mentioned to “test the waters”. Ultimately, I think that E! is too closely associated with Ryan to be believed, as I can imagine Idol using that association to float all kinds of rumors in a timely way to suit their purposes (divert attention from negative ratings, etc.).

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I enjoyed those celeb guest judges, even though they were always “nice”. lol Having celebs like Robin Gibb and Neil Sedaka there during the performances of their songs were nice additions to the regular panel.

  • voco_qara

    I love her personality but I dont think she’d be a good fit for idol. Judging by how polarizing judges like Steven and Ellen were, idol viewers seem to prefer the judges that give intelligent honest feedback than judges that just have likeable personalities and rarely say anything of substance. I think Kellie may know a lot about country music but I dont think she’d be knowledgeable about.genres outside of country.

    As lovable as she is, its been proven in the past that likable personality isnt everything.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Maybe Alicia Keyes? I like your suggestions. Wish the right combo emerges!

  • Mo

    Wait I’m AA and I thought I was Middle America too, so whats the meaning of Middle America—White! I’m Shocked! And why would anyone proclaim the future that it will not be any AA finalist if they want to keep its Middle American viewers yet people say Idol is not about Race. This comment receive no thumbs down but it did receive 4 thumbs up!
    The reason for the 40% jump so late in the season because popular AA entertainment blogs were promoting Idol as to being more AA friendly this year and finally it don’t appear to be about race. And many like myself were tweeting about it trying to draw in that 18-49 demo also idol want that AA demographic back too.
    But to read comments like this I think its best we stay away from Idol,I don’t want to be used or feel used! If AA will not have a fair shake like on the other network show then its my duty to let them know the plan.
    I’m just shocked this was stated and no one slam the statement. Its like admitting race is a factor, I read serveral comments on blogs and many said lets get Candice out the way, an AA and girl void, like kill two birds with one stone.
    Lmao but people say we play those cards, NO just the hands we dealt.
    Personally I’m to blended to choose race as my deciding factor as an Idol and I like many genres but my favorite is R&B HipHop but I love JessieJ, RobinThicke R&B types like I do Maxwell and Beyonce.

  • Mo

    I’m AA, and I thought Amber and Candice were strong contestant. Its not about making us happy its about not insulting us with race stuff then acting like the elephant no in the room.
    Personally I just prefer the R&B genre which is mostly associated with AA not so much as the the color of who is singing the genre. Give me a Robin Thicke, Jessica Sanchez, JessieJ, James Morrison, BrunoMars etc just represent that genre.

    I know Idol need the AA demographic which is important now alone with 18-49 demo but it wasn’t Idol that turn us off so much as it was the non appreciation of our singing style and reading negative race stuff on boards and blogs.

    Certain people will say its not race thing but will say they hate Amber runs or Candice riffs but go crazy over JessieJ and Angie performance and Jessie tone/texture have so many Run&riffs you would think she was AA. BTW I love JessieJ as you can tell, so it lead people to point out the obvious difference in the ladies since they all riff and run.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    I just want to say thank you for saying what I’ve been feeling for some time. You’ve explained better than anyone ever could.

  • H.A.

    I didn’t realize that there was 40% jump in AA viewership for Idol. So little of that was reported. I have to admit that I didn’t think that Candice could win Idol but if those numbers are accurate it could have been what helped carry her to the finish line. R&B fans are pretty loyal in that genre and for someone like Candice’s caliber I feel good knowing she will go on to a Fantasia like career or even better.

  • Mo

    You welcome, and trust me many AA feel this way! My favorite is not the best AA contestant just the best contestant in my favorite genre like when Elliot Yamin was on, I voted him instead of Paris. :) I preferred Amber Candice Kree Janelle then Angie in the top 5 this year in that order

  • irockhard

    Is there necessarily an “AA singing style” though? I’ve seen white rappers and black rock singers. Something that’s always rubbed me the wrong way about Idol is that they cast contestants according to what what genre they feel which race must sing. It’s so stereotypical, and can even be considered racist. All the gospel/soul belters/crooners must be black, all the acoustic guitar strummers or country girls must be white. David Willis was a BGWG and he was quite good but he got cut during Top 40, why? I heard that a black alt. rock girl auditioned and made it to Hollywood, why didn’t they put her through? See what I’m saying.

  • Mo

    That’s my point! But I will say R&B is highly associated with AA like HipHop, Soul, NeoSoul, and Rap maybe because they are the originator of the genres. With that being said I gave example of creditable (in my eyes no one can argue) white artists who excels in R&B style. I care about the genres and the tones/style/textures (Riff&Runs) over the color of skin who singing R&B. I would hate to have miss out on James Morrison, Amy Winehouse, JessieJ, JonB, BrunoMars, RobinThicke, Joss Stone etc just because they are not AA. Many AA will agree too, we are not close minded that’s why embrace these artist along with artist like Pink and Kelly Clarkson because we hear R&B influence in their tone.