American Idol Headlines for 12/23/10

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Nigel Lythgoe tweets, “I had a fab time at Jane Fonda’s birthday party on Tuesday. Wednesday’s hangover was forgotten when FOX signed off on #AI Show One. GREAT!”

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LaToya London will sing the National Anthem at the Oakland Raiders/Indiana Colts game on December 26 at the Oakland Coliseum, 1:05 PST.

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Exclusive: David Archuleta On Celebrity Crushes, Birthdays And More

What are your plans for your 20th birthday come 28 December?
I don’t know, I guess it’s not like a huge birthday. You are leaving your teen years but not like 21 yet or anything. Every birthday and probably for the rest of my birthdays, I usually will just go and eat dinner with my family or whomever I’m with.

No huge party to usher in your 20s?
No, not really. For the last two or three years I had Thai food for dinner.

Read more at Galaxie Blog

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David Archuleta Learns a New Instrument in Central Park

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Reba, Blake Shelton + More Reveal Favorite Holiday Viewing

“Charlie Brown Christmas is one of them, and I remember even ‘Ernest P. Worrell Saves Christmas’ — that’s a good one,” says Danny Gokey. “The one where the kid says ‘fudge,’ but he said the mother of all cuss words … ‘The Christmas Story’ or something like that. ‘Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer’ … I don’t think you could ever wear out the movies. Even National Lampoon’s ‘Christmas Vacation.’ That’s a favorite.”

Read more at the Boot

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Happy Holidays from Alison Iraheta

via Alliholics

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Jennifer & Julia Hudson Bring Christmas to Chicago’s Navy Pier

Jennifer Hudson and her sister Julia spread a lot of Christmas joy today at Navy Pier in Chicago. They gave out toys to less fortunate children to make sure that they had a Merry Christmas. The event was held in the honor of Jennifer’s nephew and Julia’s son Julian King. Jennifer also entertained everyone by singing her favorite Christmas carol ‘Oh Holy Night’. Check out the video coverage below!

See the Video at Jennifer Hudson Daily

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Sun, sea and sniping: How Simon Cowell’s warring women are coming to blows on holiday in Barbados

Simon Cowell may have thought he had lived through dramas and tantrums enough on this year’s X Factor.

But when his fiancée Mezhgan Hussainy arrived on his holiday, she brought with her fireworks so explosive that they put the hissy fits of Cher Lloyd in the shade.

To say there is trouble in paradise would be putting it mildly. And Simon’s ex-girlfriend, Sinitta Malone, is at the centre of the row.

For Sinitta has been with Simon since the holiday in Barbados began five days ago.

She’s brought her children and is staying on Cowell’s tab at the Sandy Lane Hotel but spending much time on his yacht, The Slipstream.

Read more at the Daily Mail

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Jennifer Lopez & Marc Anthony: Kitson Kids Couple

Jennifer Lopez and husband Marc Anthony go shopping together at Kitson Kids on Wednesday (December 22) in Los Angeles.

The couple checked out some clothes inside the children’s boutique on Robertson Boulevard.

See the photos at Just Jared

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EXCLUSIVE VIDEO INTERVIEW: Woman Suing J-Lo For $10M: ‘It Isn’t Fair She Has All The Money In The World’

Claudia Vazquez is suing superstar Jennifer Lopez for $10 million, and told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive video interview that she’s doing it in defense of her career and her life.

“I’m just me and I’m defending my career, my life,” Vazquez said about her lawsuit against Lopez, which claims the Jenny On The Block singer is interfering with production on a movie about her ex-husband, Ojani Noa.

Vasquez has been Noa’s girlfriend for 10 years.

“It isn’t fair that Jennifer Lopez has all the money in the world. Why would she stop somebody that is so small for her?” Vazquez told RadarOnline.com.

Watch the Video Interview at Radaronline

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Darren Criss – What makes Glee so great?

via Ascap

 
  • lorismile

    Adam is shown during the promo spot for Morning Joe’s The Most Influential Americans of the 21st Century so far…

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

    It airs tomorrow morning.

  • kmd

    Archie said in that article that he would like to make an appearance on Glee. I hope that WEG can make that happen for him. It might be wishful thinking but WEG does have connections in the industry. He would be good fit for Glee because he is so young looking they would never have to replace him.

  • frogcooke

    He would be good fit for Glee because he is so young looking they would never have to replace him.

    hahahahahahaha

  • bridgette12

    lorismile:
    12/23/2010 at 8:21 am
    Adam is shown during the promo spot for Morning Joe’s The Most Influential Americans of the 21st Century so far…

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

    LOL! I wonder if they consider him a good influence or bad influence.

  • lorismile

    LOL! I wonder if they consider him a good influence or bad influence.

    HAHAHA I guess we will find out!

    Most fascinating last year, most influential this year. Wonder what next year will bring! ;-)

  • sass

    Nice to hear Latoya London is singing for her hometown team. Now she has sung for both SF Bay area football teams. Was told Latoya currently sings w/a band.

  • frogcooke

    RT @MelindaWEG: Tomorrow morning @DavidArchie will be on @Regis_and_Kelly (re-air)

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    Lorismile,that’s soo cool :) Adam is definetly influential haha :p

  • SashaB

    LParker article:

    American Idol:

    It’s a “Search For A Superstar,” and frankly, superstars sell millions of records.

    That is Idol’s value proposition or brand positioning as articulated by Cowell in Season 1

    People may not like it. But that’s what the expectation was. If you don’t meet the expectation, then the promise fails.

    Because if “American Idol,” a program watched and loved by millions, can’t get an artist to sell millions anymore, then the universally appealing Cinderella-story dream at the heart of this show is over…

    And once viewers–and contestants–stop believing in that dream, then “American Idol” is over as well.

    Interesting statement.

  • tierbee

    Did anyone catch Committed on the Today Show this morning? I was not awake :) and missed it.

  • TwigLA

    My advice to Mish (Simon’s maybe fiance) is to get out now while you still have some sort of dignity left. You’ve been used, girl.

    Adam is one of the most influential people in the past 10 years? I have no words.

    I want to sue J-Lo and every other rich person too. It’s not FAIR that they have money and I don’t.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    LParker article:

    American Idol:

    It’s a “Search For A Superstar,” and frankly, superstars sell millions of records.

    That is Idol’s value proposition or brand positioning as articulated by Cowell in Season 1

    People may not like it. But that’s what the expectation was. If you don’t meet the expectation, then the promise fails.

    Because if “American Idol,” a program watched and loved by millions, can’t get an artist to sell millions anymore, then the universally appealing Cinderella-story dream at the heart of this show is over…

    And once viewers–and contestants–stop believing in that dream, then “American Idol” is over as well.

    Interesting statement.

    Well, I agree that shows like Idol and X Factor are looking for a superstar and that American Idol lost it’s way. But, these days it’s hard to sell millions, especially if we a talking about albums. A million albums sold is a lot these days. But millions of singles shouldn’t really be a problem for Idols.
    If an Idol today sold what Jordin did her first era (over 1 million albums, 6 million+ singles), I would be very happy.

  • Tess

    Because if “American Idol,” a program watched and loved by millions, can’t get an artist to sell millions anymore, then the universally appealing Cinderella-story dream at the heart of this show is over…

    And once viewers–and contestants–stop believing in that dream, then “American Idol” is over as well.

    I am one of those viewers (as cynical and as realistic a person as I am) that truly feels this was the intention of the franchise and the core sentiment that has kept it going for 10 years. And as long as the viewing public “heard” something about the past idols and were believing that these kids had “made it” in the real world then they were/are happy and come back for more.

    But now that the media is no longer as “kind” with idol winners and have gravitated to pointing out flaws as quickly as they point out successes (with Thanks to Daughtry for starting this phenomenon) the viewers are becoming more and more jaded with the initial concept of Idol. That is why I truly believe it is up to Season 10 to suceed big time with a very “flashy” winner that is able to regain the interest of the press and media. And if the American public votes the homegrown, homespun safe and bland contestant then the franchise won’t be able to survive a media that will shout the demise of the “dream” from their rooftops.

  • FREIDAG

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

    LOL! I wonder if they consider him a good influence or bad influence.

    LOL! I’m wondering that as well. But it’s pretty amazing if he’s on there. Good for Adam!

  • frogcooke

    Here’s a youtube version of the holiday hunt vid from Archie’s site.

    David learns a new instrument in central park:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCpuOqBvusw

  • gangreen29

    That is why I truly believe it is up to Season 10 to suceed big time with a very “flashy” winner that is able to regain the interest of the press and media.

    Were Carrie, Kelly, or Daughtry flashy? I don’t think so. Idol just needs a big voiced front runner with good looks to win. Then they will be fine.

  • tinawina

    Idol needs a star to win. Whether they are a “safe, bland” star a la Taylor Swift or a flashy, edgy star a la Gaga is of no consequence. They need the next winner to enter the pop charts in a big way, then hang out on there a while.

  • Tess

    Were Carrie, Kelly, or Daughtry flashy?

    You just proved my one point…Daughtry WAS NOT an idol winner. And I will defer to tinawina that they need a “star” to win season 10. Someone who is bright and shiny and compelling, someone with charisma as well as out of this world talent. Mediocrity can’t be tolerated.

  • Elliegrll

    You just proved my one point…Daughtry WAS NOT an idol winner. And I will defer to tinawina that they need a “star” to win season 10. Someone who is bright and shiny and compelling, someone with charisma as well as out of this world talent. Mediocrity can’t be tolerated.

    There are no set qualities that make someone a star. People continue to call Carrie boring, yet more people continue to buy her music. People seem to think that Adam is a star, but he has not experienced the same level of success with his debut that Carrie and Daughtry have had with theirs.

    Speaking of Daughtry, he wasn’t a good reality show contestant, but he is releasing music that people want to hear.

    Idol needs a star to win. Whether they are a “safe, bland” star a la Taylor Swift or a flashy, edgy star a la Gaga is of no consequence. They need the next winner to enter the pop charts in a big way, then hang out on there a while.

    These two show that there is no set standard for what makes someone a star. It’s also funny that Taylor, who isn’t the best singer in the world, first started to gain attention for her songwriting ability, and not for her personality. It’s also interesting that it took Gaga several hits, before she started to gain attention from the mainstream. Before that, she was mainly just popular in the club scene.

    Nobody is really going to be able to tell over the course of AI’s season who will be a star and who won’t.

  • escape

    Speaking of Allison, whatever happened to the claims back in Sep that she was never dropped by Jive – instead she chose to be released from her contract – and it was imminent that she will be signed by another major label like RCA?

  • dcglam

    LOL! I wonder if they consider him a good influence or bad influence.

    I’m thinking good in that they will go with the gay rights issue and his being a celebrity figure. I sure hope they hit upon his incredible musical talent as well……. :)

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    People continue to call Carrie boring, yet more people continue to buy her music. People seem to think that Adam is a star, but he has not experienced the same level of success with his debut that Carrie and Daughtry have had with theirs.

    I think it is difficult to judge idols from different seasons because of the decline of the show and the decline of music sales.

    Of the three you mentioned, only Carrie won. Simon predicted Carrie’s success and he was right.

    Now, does anyone know if Simon made any predictions for Daughtry? I didn’t watch that season. Did Simon like him? I do recall Simon stating that Adam would be an international star. That is true to a certain extent. He’s not a mega star, but he’s done well enough in enough countries, like Japan, Germany, Canada, Australia, etc., to be called an international star.

    Finally, I kind of tuned out this pass season. Did Simon make any predictions for Crystal or Lee?

  • girlygirl

    “Bright, shiny and compelling” could describe Adam, and although he’s doing fine in terms of sales and exposure, he cannot (yet) be described as a superstar (despite what a handful of his more rabid fans claim). And all his success and media exposure did little to boost AI’s overall image — it certainly did nothing to help any other Idols’ sales. TBH, I don’t know if anything will help — 9 seasons is a long time to be on the air — and how many ex-Idols trying to build musical careers? It might just be that the market is oversaturated with ex-Idol contestants. Notice that very few contestants coming off AGT or X-Factor have made much headway in the music business — most of them seem to have disappeared off the radar (at least in the USA).

  • girlygirl

    Interesting that a Jazz/Blues Festival has singled out Kris’ version of The Christmas song…

    LakefrontJBFest LakefrontJBFest
    Here’s pt2 of our 5 part blues/jazz music series for the Holidays. American Idol winner Kris Allen showing he’s… http://fb.me/MLYt3FLj
    7 minutes ago

  • Tess

    People seem to think that Adam is a star, but he has not experienced the same level of success with his debut that Carrie and Daughtry have had with theirs.

    Why are Adam and Chris brought into this conversation. Neither were

    winners

    . “Some” people say Carrie was/is boring (me included) but this is only personal preference…Carrie has surrounded herself with good people, very good producers and songwriters, and she has found a niche for herself in a genre that loves the pretty blond girl next door type. And Carrie can sing (can’t dance but can sing). Same with Kelly…she has an interesting personality, can really relate to a song, and sings her butt off. These girls draw people in and therefore have become “stars”…and that quality was evident during the show.

    My whole contention is that Idol has to find someone with potential as “defined” by the media…not by the Idol viewer elite. If the media doesn’t come on board early then Season 10 will make Season 9 look wonderful. Say what we want…we live in a world where marketing and promotion and interest usually define a “star”…so that segment of our world has to want to help the Idol winner shine in the real world.

    Idol cannot have the media say “he/she SHOULD have won” as they point to someone eliminated. The media needs to send out warm fuzzies to the buying public that the Idol voters got it right and then the show will come back to terra firma.

  • sma11ie

    It’s a “Search For A Superstar,” and frankly, superstars sell millions of records.

    So the Idol premise is to find a superstar… what’s the BGT/AGT premise, out of curiousity? Those are Simon Cowell creations, and we’ve got some alum (well SuBo at least) selling millions, but can we call her a “superstar”? She’s a phenomenon for sure. Just wondering– cuz the title of American Idol does make you think “star”, but “Got Talent” makes you think hokey talent show. And another question for the Brits– aside from Leona Lewis, are the X-Factor winners considered “superstars”? Or big stars over there, since we don’t hear of them too much stateside? I know they always sell gangbusters out of the gate, but I’m curious if any of them have proven to be stars, since the title “X-Factor” also makes you think they’re looking for someone who has “it”, or “star-quality”, so I’d say their premise seems to be to find a star as well. I doubt their tag line is “Search for the Next Flash-In-the-Pan.”

  • mmb

    ^^^. It’s girlygirl. Idol is an old show with an aging audience. It’s not impossible for someone to capture the public imagination, but I think the days of automatically selling double, triple platinum of an idol debut album are long long gone. Think about star search. Although a lot of star search contestants ultimately went on to major success years later, it was only in the first few years of the shows run that any winner or contestant captured the public imagination and was able to capitalize on it in any way. During the last few seasons it was all but ignored. There are over a hundred idol finalists out there trying to make careers for themselves. About ten percent of them have made it what I would consider to be ” big”. The market is saturated. Idol will go on and get decent ratings for the next few years. It is a good tv show. And people off the show will continue to have careers in the music business and have songs on the radio. I just think the multiplatinum debuts are done

  • fadetowhite

    People still seem to be holding the Idols to a standard that is now out of date in the music industry as a whole.

    Hardly anyone is selling millions of albums – unless they go down the stictly adult golden oldies route of a Susan Boyle, or are a country crossover.

    Even in the pop market, the best known, world wide, acts are not necessarily selling millions of albums in the US.

    So to expect Idols to do it seems unfair.

    What they do need to do is to succeed in some arena. If they sell decently, either in albums or in singles (or both) and can sustain a decent tour, then that’s doing well nowadays.

    In pop, they need to shift singles (this is surely the reason that Jordin still seems to have a contract). In other genres, they need to shift enough albums to look good within that genre and tour.

    The days of 2, 3 4 or more million in album sales are gone and they are not only gone for the Idols.

    Unless people want Idol to become a vehicle for finding more Subos?

  • FREIDAG

    I find it fascinating that any discussion of AI needing a strong winner ultimately falls back to a discussion of Adam’s success or lack there of since Adam didn’t win Idol!

    And all his success and media exposure did little to boost AI’s overall image — it certainly did nothing to help any other Idols’ sales.

    Interesting. I’m not sure why Adam would have any responsibility with “helping other idol’s sales” or how he could do that. Also, maybe part of the reason he didn’t boost AI’s image was because after being seen as a front-runner by many fans and media outlets he actually lost the competition?

  • girlygirl

    maybe the tag line should be “Search for Someone who can Have a Viable Music Career for the Next 10 Years” because that’s pretty much the best anyone coming off AI can hope for. If they do better than that, become stars of some sort, great…but that’s always been a longshot, and never moreso than right now.

  • Elliegrll

    I think it is difficult to judge idols from different seasons because of the decline of the show and the decline of music sales.

    I don’t think the decline of the show or music sales has any impact on whether or not a song becomes a top ten hit. It’s pretty easy to compare how many songs Carrie and Daughtry released to the number that Adam released, and compare what these songs did on the charts.

    I think most people knew that Carrie and Daughtry would be successful, but most couldn’t have guessed that they would crank out the number hits that they did with their debut albums. And neither was tabloid fodder at the time, or fit the description that gets thrown around here about what makes someone a star.

    maybe the tag line should be “Search for Someone who can Have a Viable Music Career for the Next 10 Years”

    Most stars burn out very fast, but it takes a lot of talent to be relevant for ten years or more.

  • fadetowhite

    Smallie – I’d say that the X Factor success stories – Leona, JLS, Alexandra Burke, Olly Murs etc – are seen as pop music ‘stars’, certainly not as superstars. But they are also seen as stars in a very limited sense: definitely ephemeral and very much a product of a current music scene, mostly loved by young pop fans.

    I don’t think anyone sees them as enduring stars of the future.

  • car

    I think it is funny to keep bringing out Adam and Daughtry. They are talking about the winners being stars. I have yet to hear anyone claim that Kris or Lee or anyone other than Carrie or Kelly are stars or superstars or that they are on their way. Part of the problem has been the media wondering what is happening with the winners and why they are being upstaged by those who did not win. They are not asking why Adam has not sold as much as Carrie. They are asking why are the non winner more popular and selling more than the winners.

  • steph6449

    Cute article at The Boot country blog with a number of country artists talking about their favorite Christmas movies and television specials. Don’t see Carrie but both Kellie and Danny are included.

    http://www.theboot.com/2010/12/23/christmas-movies-country-stars/

  • FREIDAG

    I think it is funny to keep bringing out Adam and Daughtry. They are talking about the winners being stars. I have yet to hear anyone claim that Kris or Lee or anyone other than Carrie or Kelly are stars or superstars or that they are on their way.

    Agreed and agreed.

    It’s pretty easy to compare how many songs Carrie and Daughtry released to the number that Adam released, and compare what these songs did on the charts.

    Or Kris or any of the other idols for that matter. :)

  • lorismile

    I’m thinking good in that they will go with the gay rights issue and his being a celebrity figure. I

    I’m thinking they will talk about him being “out” from the start of his career and being a role model in that respect. But who knows…LOL

    Adam in CiteGay (A French site)…it’s not translated but I love the picture!
    http://www.citegay.fr/interviews/257260@adam-lambert-la-diplomatie-n-est-vraiment-pas-ma-specialite.htm

    ETA: Here it is translated via Google…
    http://bit.ly/hmpLRG

  • Tess

    I think people take the term “selling millions” way to literally and should be aware it is used as a euphonism not as a statement of fact. It doesn’t sound quite so glamorous to say that the idol dream is to “be included in a handful of singers who are well known, sell well, tour well, red-carpet well, are media darlings and are recognized as a talent by a vast amount of people”.

  • fadetowhite

    I’d say that the only definitive stars that AI has produced are Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry, because they are the only three who have the sales, the longevity and the public interest that is needed to make them so.

    Jennifer Hudson is more famous for her Oscar, but that in and of itself makes her a kind of star for life.

    Kelly Pickler and Fantasia have solid careers and are semi-stars.

    Cook and Adam have both made good starts, but can’t really be judged yet on the longevity front.

    As for other recent Idol alums – who knows?

  • Elliegrll

    I find it fascinating that any discussion of AI needing a strong winner ultimately falls back to a discussion of Adam’s success or lack there of since Adam didn’t win Idol!

    I thought the discussion was about AI producing superstars. Adam is labeled by some as a superstar, so I’m just pointing out that his numbers don’t match up to some former idol alums, even some who aren’t considered to be superstars.

    It also seems to me that it would take someone a lot longer than three or four months, or even a year to establish themselves as a superstar.

  • fadetowhite

    It doesn’t sound quite so glamorous to say that the idol dream is to “be included in a handful of singers who are well known, sell well, tour well, red-carpet well, are media darlings and are recognized as a talent by a vast amount of people”.

    It’s more accurate, but it is a bit of a mouthful! :lol

    The red carpet/media darlings bit I know is a very visual and instantaneous way of making your mark.

    I think it’s also possible to do it, in a very different way, by gaining regard for your craft (and btw I’m not saying that it isn’t possible to do both, just that you don’t have to!): but that usually takes a long time, is far harder – and possibly nigh on impossible for an AI grad.

  • Valentin432

    Now, does anyone know if Simon made any predictions for Daughtry? I didn’t watch that season. Did Simon like him?

    Daughtry was TCO, Simon liked him a lot, if you haven’t seen season 5, youtube Chris Daughtry elimination. Funniest Simon face after the one he pulled of when Fantasia came to perform on season 7.

    Finally, I kind of tuned out this pass season. Did Simon make any predictions for Crystal or Lee?

    He did compare Crystal to Kelly earlier on. Something about finding a “true artist”
    But he has always compared one of the female contestant to Kelly for the past 5 seasons and maybee more. I think he did it with Kat Mcphee, Alexis Grace, Carly S. and Crystal. Not a good enough white girl vocalist she could pull off that comparison on season 6.

  • Elliegrll

    It’s pretty easy to compare how many songs Carrie and Daughtry released to the number that Adam released, and compare what these songs did on the charts.

    Or Kris or any of the other idols for that matter.

    This is true, which is why it’s odd that so often the excuse of the market changing can’t be used to help explain Kris’ lower numbers, but it can be used to explain Adam’s.

  • FREIDAG

    This is true, which is why it’s odd that so often the excuse of the market changing can’t be used to help explain Kris’ lower numbers, but it can be used to explain Adam’s.

    I’m no expert but I’ve always assumed that it was because Kris was the “winner.”

    I thought the discussion was about AI producing superstars. Adam is labeled by some as a superstar, so I’m just pointing out that his numbers don’t match up to some former idol alums, even some who aren’t considered to be superstars.

    Producing superstars who actually win the competition. Having runner-ups or people who came in further back do better than the actual winner makes the show looks weak. IMO.

    And I’ve never considered Adam a “superstar” but I think he’s a star. For whatever that word is worth these days.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Photos from American Idol 10 Press Kit (Kris focused)

    RanaNYC Look what was on my desk this morning. It is awesome! It is like an Idol yearbook!
    http://twitpic.com/3irn9e
    http://twitpic.com/3iroj3
    http://twitpic.com/3is21o
    http://twitpic.com/3is2yr
    http://twitpic.com/3is3iw
    http://twitpic.com/3isdf8

    #FYI: Adam only runnerup who got a page all to himself. Not surprised.
    #Just was flipping through the whole book with my coworker. It’s really cool. It was like looking through a real yearbook.

  • mmb

    ^^. I think people have acknowledged that the changing market affected kris’ numbers. But that isn’t the only explanation. That is where chart position makes a difference. The sales required for a top ten debut are much lower than in the past. I think that Kris, crystal, and lee can be ( at least somewhat) rightly criticized for failing to crack the top ten after coming off of the biggest show in the world. Sometimes you can make top ten with 60k in sales, sometimes it takes 100k. But while the days of multiplatinum on three months are gone, I don’t think that a top ten debut is too much to expect

  • tls62

    And all his success and media exposure did little to boost AI’s overall image — it certainly did nothing to help any other Idols’ sales.

    Damn you Adam Lambert. How dare you not save the pitiful group of S9 and the Idol image. Hold on….surely it couldn’t be because S9 Idols were just plain horribly boring and people are sick of seeing a high school level popularity contest that winning has nothing to do with talent?? Naw….that couldn’t be the problem.

  • tierbee

    I’m sure one with better sound will surface eventually but here’s Committed on the Today Show this morning -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvyHATtlBU8

  • tierbee

    All I’m going to say is that if Season 10 sucks and we can’t finally move past Season 8 I’m going to maybe cry a little, lol.

  • jpfan

    Well it’s better for the franchise if the winner is the star but really it doesn’t matter. XGT winners SuBo and Jackie E didn’t win their seasons and they’re killing it for sales. Of course another Kelly, Carrie or Daughtry would be incredible for the franchise.

    .For some reason, the show just can’t produce that kind of successful artist anymore while Simon churns out oddities who can.

    By the way Daughtry was a good reality TV contestant. His season was by far Idol’s biggest and his early boot was a big deal at the time.

  • fadetowhite

    Seriously – it is kind of weird that this whole discussion comes down to Adam and Kris again…

    Says she who always brings it back to Cook in some way or another :lol

    How Crystal and Lee have sold really has nothing to do with Adam, Kris or Cook (which is why it irks when I see that unholy trinity of Cook/Kris/Lee hoiked together in these discussions, as though their sales figures and success after the show was in any way reflective one to the other). It has to do with Crystal and Lee, season 9 and the way they have been viewed by the AI audience, the media and the radio.

    But still.

  • mmb

    ^^. Maybe ai should forego pop albums and have the winner and/ or runner up put out Xmas CDs. Subo is a sales force. But I can’t foresee little Jackies Christmas ep selling much beyond next week- until next Xmas season that is

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    This is true, which is why it’s odd that so often the excuse of the market changing can’t be used to help explain Kris’ lower numbers, but it can be used to explain Adam’s.

    I have read many discussions where posters are taking into account the decline of the show and album sales in regards to Kris’s numbers. I know I do.

    I thought the discussion was about AI producing superstars. Adam is labeled by some as a superstar, so I’m just pointing out that his numbers don’t match up to some former idol alums, even some who aren’t considered to be superstars.

    There are always going to be OTT fans who will declare their favorite a superstar. It just comes with the territory of posting on an idol blog.

    But having said that, I thought the discussion was about winning AI and the success that comes with that. I think JHUD, Daughtry, Adam etc., have done well, but they didn’t win and the idea of AI is that the public is picking the next superstar.

  • fadetowhite

    JPfan – I think only Daughtry and Carrie had the best selling album of the year, out of all the AI alums from season 1 to 9, so if that’s going to be the yardstick we measure them by, there are even fewer superstars. Not even Kelly would get there!

  • agathe.hb

    Unless people want Idol to become a vehicle for finding more Subos?

    oh my G. fadetowhite, don’t scare me, girl!!!!!! 8:(

  • fadetowhite

    All I’m going to say is that if Season 10 sucks and we can’t finally move past Season 8 I’m going to maybe cry a little, lol.

    It like some hellish limbo, invented for internet Ai obsessees! :lol

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Daughtry was TCO, Simon liked him a lot, if you haven’t seen season 5, youtube Chris Daughtry elimination. Funniest Simon face after the one he pulled of when Fantasia came to perform on season 7.

    Thanks Valentin! I loved Simon’s face when Fantasia performed. So I will hunt for the Daughtry elimination footage.

    All I’m going to say is that if Season 10 sucks and we can’t finally move past Season 8 I’m going to maybe cry a little, lol.

    We as a group seem to be unable to get any closure on S8 LOL!

  • car

    As far as superstars go, we do understand that the people on message boards do not determine who is a star or superstar. It may not even be a matter of the most sales. The media and industry will decide who they consider stars or superstars. It is not us. That is why idol needs to produce winners that the industry and media don’t find boring and uninteresting. Now who and what type will capture their attention in the new season?

  • jpfan

    I’m pretty sure Kelly’s 2nd album was at the top of the sales chart. But how crazy is it that in the first 5 years of the show they produced three superstars and an Oscar winner. I doubt S10 will get the job done either.

    When you have the #1 album of the year you have achieved amazing success for a recording artist. What’s to argue about that?
    I’m not saying Idol has produced legends or even artists with incredible longevity.

  • mmb

    Daughtry benefitted from a perfect storm that is unlikely to be reproduced. 1) he was on the highest rated season of ai – the show was at it’s peak; 2) he was a shock boot- this made his ai fans supermotivated to buy his cd and probably gave him some ” cred” with pds and the non- idol watching public ; 3) the type of music he makes was very popular at the time and got a lot of pop and hac radio play; 4) while the cd market was in decline it had not yet suffered the kind of declines we’ve seen in the past 2-3 years; 5) he was really the first male off idol with major label deal to put out Pop/ hac radio friendly music ; 6) his cd was filled with catchy, hooky tunes. Critics be damned it was a good cd!! and 7) he was no doubt benefited by the use of home as the ai boot song.

  • Eileen99

    Archie would be so adorable on Glee, I think he’s perfect for it!

    And, I sincerely hope S10 is not as boring as the continual circular and pointless arguments about a) album sales b) single sales c) Pop charts d) Idols being dropped by their labels e) superstardom f) tours g) insert other endless argument of your choice . I’m beyond ready to move on. Ho, ho, ho.

  • lorismile

    All I’m going to say is that if Season 10 sucks and we can’t finally move past Season 8 I’m going to maybe cry a little, lol.

    We as a group seem to be unable to get any closure on S8 LOL!

    It was a good season!! (okay the only one I watched but still…)

  • mmb

    FYI. My above post was not in any way intended to downplay or find ” excuses” for daughtrys well- deserved success. I Love that album and am a fan and think he has done tremendously well. My point was simply that each person off if ai has a different set of circumstances that can effect their success in the market. Some of it is luck; some of it is talent. Some of it is the genre that is popular at the time. I don’t think it has ever been as simple as ” well daughtry did it, Carrie did it, why can’t/ didn’t _____ do it”

  • LoveDaRocker

    I don’t follow Archie a lot. Is he out of the closet yet? Just wondering.

  • fadetowhite

    The problems with AI8, that mean people can’t move on:

    1) Adam didn’t win
    2) Adam outsold Kris
    3) Kris is too nice, normal and humorous a guy to be turned into Taylor Hicks, even by the media (and he did have a hit single).

    Honestly, as a Cook fan, I thank my lucky stars that he outsold Archie, because I think that’s the only reason that that fanwar sputtered out: a total lack of fuel.

    Adam’s comparative success and the inability to completely knock Kris out as a hopeless loser are both going to keep this running for ever…and ever…and ever…

  • girlygirl

    When the album is released has a lot to do with where it ranks. For instance, if Kris had released his album just one week earlier, it would have ranked #6 instead of #11. If he had released it the week that Danny’s album dropped, it would have been #2. If Lee had released his album just one week earlier, he would have ranked #9 instead of #19. (using their actual 1st week sales #s, of course).

    So while I think Idol winners (and runners-up) should still be expected to debut in the Top 10, I also think that we have to understand that how easy it is to make the Top 10 often depends on timing.

  • tinawina

    All I’m going to say is that if Season 10 sucks and we can’t finally move past Season 8 I’m going to maybe cry a little, lol.

    LMAO. Yes, Lord.

    Well it’s better for the franchise if the winner is the star but really it doesn’t matter.

    Basically. If anyone came off the show and did super well as far as the media and public is concerned, it would be better than no one doing it. The media has been complaining about non-winners doing better since season 2. Big whoop. The problem is the last high sales, high profile, buzz worthy alum was Daughtry. Jordin had the singles chart success but was never able to shake the perception that her achievements were mediocre. Cookie had high expectations but ended up pulling a Fantasia and achieving all his success in a smaller format. Adam had high expectations and while he maintained media interest and got some hits, he never pulled the Daughtry/Carrie like stuff some folks wanted from him. And Season 9 has no one off to a good start at all.

    Yes, it would be better if the winner was the superstar, and I’m sure the producers want that to happen. That would be the best case scenario. But it won’t kill the show if its not the winner. And I think they’d be okay with good success as opposed to super success. I think they’d take another Jordin, Cookie or Adam at this point. But they sure can’t repeat THIS year.

    Seriously – it is kind of weird that this whole discussion comes down to Adam and Kris again…

    Its not weird. LOL. Those are the big fanbases that post here, everything always ends up about them. Sigh. :D

  • TheOther

    I don’t think anyone from Idol can be called a “superstar”. They are way too young and still too new in the business. There are those who have done very well like Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Chris Daughtry. But I also think that big era has passed.

    Also looking at the state of the music business, if someone starting out is able to hang on to their contract with a major label, that is saying a lot. For every Adam Lambert, there is also an Allison Iraheta.

    And fast forward a year from now, either Lee Dewyze, Crystal Bowersox and or Casey James will have “parted ways” with their record labels. It happens every season.

  • LoveDaRocker

    When the album is released has a lot to do with where it ranks.

    But also with how much it sells. I don’t think you can assume that Lee, for example, would have sold exactly the same amount of albums had his been released a week earlier. So, the ranking change you point out may not be as dramatic.

  • JoshL87

    escape:
    12/23/2010 at 11:19 am

    Speaking of Allison, whatever happened to the claims back in Sep that she was never dropped by Jive – instead she chose to be released from her contract – and it was imminent that she will be signed by another major label like RCA?

    Allison said a few weeks ago that she has some really exciting news to tell us in February, which is right after Idol/19 changes from Sony to UMG. I think she is going to announce that she is signing with Universal, who really wanted her in the first place but couldn’t because Jive had first dibs on her. She has also been writing constantly, including a session with Orianthi. They both tweeted out how great it went.

    SOO.. whether Allison “left” Jive or was dropped probably doesn’t matter. Jive may have decided to cut ties with her, she might have wanted to have more freedom with another label, or it may have been a little bit of both.

  • steph6449

    Producing superstars who actually win the competition. Having runner-ups or people who came in further back do better than the actual winner makes the show looks weak. IMO.

    Not for me. I see the show as trying to find, among the ranks of amateurs/unknowns/overlooked aspirants, singing talent that deserves to be seen and heard in the music industry. Whether ultimately the most successful from any given season is the winner or not, not such a big deal, as long as the season produces one or more reasonably successful artists from its top set of finalists. S9 remains to be seen; S8 Adam, Kris and Danny all got off to reasonable to very good starts; S7, both Davids did well and even someone like Brooke with a comfortable indie niche? No one from those seasons has thus far turned into the Biggest Star Ever, but it’s still early. And more of the finalists seem to be able to sustain themselves so far by pursuing their music, even if not signed to a major label. (That’s as far as my AI history goes, lol.)

    Although I don’t think it is a failure for the show if the winner isn’t the “most” successful for their season, I do think there is an expectation that the winner should achieve at least a degree of obvious success in some fashion. Most of them have, in one way or another, with singles or albums or live performing. Lee remains to be seen. He’s got time to pick it up although he’s not off to the most impressive start.

  • dcglam

    I’m thinking good in that they will go with the gay rights issue and his being a celebrity figure. I

    I’m thinking they will talk about him being “out” from the start of his career and being a role model in that respect. But who knows…LOL

    Yep, probably all of the above as well as the recent “bullying” issue (being different). I can see Adam being influential in all of these areas. I am still hoping for a musical reference! ;)

  • car

    TheOther, I agree with you 100%. I also don’t think anyone from idol is a superstar no matter what they sold. Really, does the industry and public at large look at Daughtry or Kelly as superstars. Carrie is in the country world but not internationally or even with all of the general public. That would be Taylor Swift. Now are they very successful and stars, yes. Only my opinion of course.

  • owanbe

    As far as superstars go, we do understand that the people on message boards do not determine who is a star or superstar. It may not even be a matter of the most sales. The media and industry will decide who they consider stars or superstars. It is not us. That is why idol needs to produce winners that the industry and media don’t find boring and uninteresting. Now who and what type will capture their attention in the new season?

    GBAM!!!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    All I’m going to say is that if Season 10 sucks and we can’t finally move past Season 8 I’m going to maybe cry a little, lol.

    “Then put your little hand in mine there ain’t no hill or mountain we can’t climb…”

    *Sigh*

  • cwm

    lorismile:
    Adam in CiteGay (A French site)…it’s not translated but I love the picture!
    http://www.citegay.fr/interviews/257260@adam-lambert-la-diplomatie-n-est-vraiment-pas-ma-specialite.htm

    ETA: Here it is translated via Google…
    http://bit.ly/hmpLRG

    lorismile– thank you for posting this! That was a great interview with Adam — good questions from the interviewer, thoughtful and interesting answers from Adam. And I LOVE the picture! That is now my favorite picture from that French photoshoot. :-)

  • sma11ie

    Smallie – I’d say that the X Factor success stories – Leona, JLS, Alexandra Burke, Olly Murs etc – are seen as pop music ’stars’, certainly not as superstars. But they are also seen as stars in a very limited sense: definitely ephemeral and very much a product of a current music scene, mostly loved by young pop fans.

    I don’t think anyone sees them as enduring stars of the future.

    Yes, it would be better if the winner was the superstar, and I’m sure the producers want that to happen. That would be the best case scenario. But it won’t kill the show if its not the winner. And I think they’d be okay with good success as opposed to super success. I think they’d take another Jordin, Cookie or Adam at this point. But they sure can’t repeat THIS year.

    Yup. I think at this point, we’re not saying AI needs to find the next superstar, or even huge star. They just need to find the success stories on par with the the Olly Murs, Alexandra Burke, etc from across the pond that fadetowhite listed-ephemeral stars or not, they are seen as relatively popular post-show, i.e. the show did accomplish something. Another Carrie-like winner would reinvigorate the franchise perhaps even propelling its lifespan to another 10 years (!), but at this point, like tinawina says, they just need okay successes to keep it going another few years. I’m really optimistic about the new season. The new panel seems promising– just crossing all my fingers they’ll be good at finding great, diverse talent as well, since the Ellen/Kara/Randy/Simon combination was NOT.

  • Valentin432

    The “superstar” thing just depends on what level you’re thinking about.

    I mean if it’s MJ, Garth Brooks or U2 level. I would say the only artist that has come close in the past decade in terms of worldwide sales, recognition, influence and longevity is maybee Eminem. So no, no artist from AI has ever come close to that and it probably won’t happen.

    If you mean superstar like Lady Gaga or Katy Perry who are the it girls of the moment, then Kelly was that for 2005/2006, she was on every news/media all over the world and dominated the pop charts.
    I’m not sure how to exactly compare Carrie’s success in the country world, but she seems to be on the path of the most successfull female country artists of all time.

  • Q3

    adetowhite:
    12/23/2010 at 12:37 pm

    The problems with AI8, that mean people can’t move on:

    1) Adam didn’t win
    2) Adam outsold Kris
    3) Kris is too nice, normal and humorous a guy to be turned into Taylor Hicks, even by the media (and he did have a hit single.

    Honestly, as a Cook fan, I thank my lucky stars that he outsold Archie, because I think that’s the only reason that that fanwar sputtered out: a total lack of fuel.

    Adam’s comparative success and the inability to completely knock Kris out as a hopeless loser are both going to keep this running for ever…and ever…and ever…

    I agree with you on much of what you wrote. But I actually believe that most Adam fans have put AI8 behind and if you look at most of the Adam fansites, forums and even AO.com fans rarely mention Idol. (Sure some have not left the loss behind, but the majority really have.)

    One of the most common comments I read from Adam fans is a desire to see two adjectives no longer used to describe Adam — “openly gay singer” and “American Idol runner up”. I think that almost every Adam fan prefers “International pop star” and “Grammy nominated”. :)

    On the discussion of superstars — the term is vague and undefined but clearly has to be based on more than just sales — and I would put forward in a global marketplace, looking at US sales to define a superstar makes no sense at all.

    When the album is released has a lot to do with where it ranks. For instance, if Kris had released his album just one week earlier, it would have ranked #6 instead of #11. If he had released it the week that Danny’s album dropped, it would have been #2. If Lee had released his album just one week earlier, he would have ranked #9 instead of #19. (using their actual 1st week sales #s, of course).

    So while I think Idol winners (and runners-up) should still be expected to debut in the Top 10, I also think that we have to understand that how easy it is to make the Top 10 often depends on timing.

    JMHO I think that for Idols total sales is more meaningful than debut week. Sure, if an Idol has a weak debut week it is impossible to recover. But some Idols have had very strong debuts then just not sold very much.

    Specifically on chart placement — there are so many factors with when you release — store traffic level, other releases, big snowfall or weather issues, national disaster (911 caused US retail sales to plummet), and so on. Over time, however, it all balances out.

    It also depends on who else releases in the same week and the number of new releases. Last week, there was only a few major new releases — and none is a genre similar to Crystal
    Hip-Hop/Urban or R&B/Pop – Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, Ditty, Ciara
    Metal – Tank
    Contemporary Country – Miranda Lambert
    Classic Pop-Rock – Elton John/Leon Russel

    2009 had more big releases than 2010 — and was generally more competitive. But Kris and Adam both released in very competitive weeks.

    Kris released his album the same time as 3 or 4 other artists with similar music — plus there was a major push of The Script’s album at retail that week. For example, KATA was up against John Mayer.

    Adam released on Music Monday which will probable be the biggest new release day in major label history — the retailers and labels tried to make a really big event by having so many albums released on 11/23-24/09 — but it did not result in the expected massive sales for the record industry. It was not repeated this year and is not likely to reoccur.

    Allison (like Crystal) released in the heaviest store traffic week and had a nice debut but that first week amounted to about 1/3 of Allison’s total sales. Mid-December releases often have an exaggerated first week sales total than drop dramatically in January.

  • smeggingnuts

    I think the issue with Idol is that the core premise was that America would vote for what kinda of artist/musician they would buy. So whom ever got the most vote and won the audience would then go and buy what they asked for. And from the looks of it they did in the most part. They used Idol like a census to see what a large portion of America would listen to.

    The problem came when idol audiences started to see idol not as a platform to let the music business know what they wanted but as a game show. And people stopped voting for what they wanted artistically and more for the human story of the contestants.

    I think multiple things created this paradigm shift. The every increasing realazation that Idol alum wouldn’t put out the music they thought they would (so they became less invested in the end product they would produce), a change in viewer/voter demagraphic from mainstream music buyers, and just plan audience fatigue of an old show. There are obviously others but thoses seem to be the key ones IMHO.

    I don’t think Idol is gone by a long stretch but its become more of a game show than a way for music industry execs to determine what type of music America is willing to buy.

    That all YMMV and IMHO at all that

  • tinawina

    If you mean superstar like Lady Gaga or Katy Perry who are the it girls of the moment, then Kelly was that for 2005/2006, she was on every news/media all over the world and dominated the pop charts.
    I’m not sure how to exactly compare Carrie’s success in the country world, but she seems to be on the path of the most successfull female country artists of all time.

    I honestly think this is the definition of superstar that the media seems to run with in relation to Idol. They want a smash hit making “it” person, And they’ll take it from pop or country. Or do the crazy sales phenom thing like Clay ( I guess Subo would along those lines today).

    Whether that is a realistic expectation is a different story, but it does seem to fall in line with what they want.

  • smeggingnuts

    Eileen99:
    12/23/2010 at 12:28 pm
    Archie would be so adorable on Glee, I think he’s perfect for it!

    The only problem with Archie on Glee is in general TV high schoolers are in reality early to mid 20 somethings that look young for their age but still older which has changed the preconceived image of what a high schooler looks like. And in Archie’s case he looks like he is still 12. So if he does get on Glee it might be as a cast memebers young cousin or maybe a middle schooler or something.

    I swear Archie is going to look young till the day he dies.

  • anovich

    I agree with you on much of what you wrote. But I actually believe that most Adam fans have put AI8 behind and if you look at most of the Adam fansites, forums and even AO.com fans rarely mention Idol. (Sure some have not left the loss behind, but the majority really have.)

    Unfortunately, there are still some Adam fans out there who insist on trolling articles about Kris to post negatively about him. As long as this group remains so vocal, there will always be the association with AI.

    I’m sure it goes the other way as well, but I do think Kris fans have never been quite as vocal and insistent as the Adam fans in this regard so it might not be as noticeable.

    The facts are, Kris and Adam are very different. There is room for them both in the music world. Unfortunately there is only 1 AI winner each season, and because both of tese guys were on the same season they will forever be seen as competing with one another, and some of their fans from while they were on AI will always insist on disparaging on to build up the other.

  • sr4mjc

    I have a question about XFactor winners. Does BBC Radio automatically play the winners (or any contestants) with open arms or is there Xfactor stigma? Does the country and press embrace and support their ‘cheesy show’ or are the contestants left to climb an uphill battle after the show is over? I guess the question is, is there an Xfactor bubble and how big is it?

  • Montavilla

    One thing that seems to be happening (among us) is that the bar for idols is being raised. Kelly exceeded expectations for someone winning AI because there were no expectations at the time. She sold a lot of albums, had successful tours, and starred in a really bad movie.

    Forgetting the movie part, people judged the next few idols against Kelly. Then Carrie happened and the expectation was raised to selling millions of albums (although I think people kind of throw up their hands at Carrie and say, “Well, she’s a Country singer and those fans will buy anything.”) When Daughtry exploded, it raised expectations for credibility within Idol bubble. It wasn’t enough to sing well, you had to have some kind of artistic integrity as well.

    With David Cook, the bar was raised from artistic integrity to artistic vision. You had to create a post-Idol CD that was your vision, not 19 or the label’s. You had to write a substantial amount on the CD. And it had to sell a million copies. And you had to headline a successful tour.

    I think what Adam and Kris did to raise the bar was to create fascinating performances. In terms of “moments,” each of them individually had more than most other contestants, and if you combine their “moments” together, you got at least one really interesting performance a week during Season 8.

    In the meantime, everything gets harder. All Idol finalists draw their core fan bases from a common pool. Part of the audience has already given their hearts to someone in an earlier season. The Claymates remain Claymates. It’s harder to wow the audience when you’re singing a song that Kelly did better in Season 1, or Bo in Season 4, or Melissa in Season 6. Fans look at their CD shelves and think, “Do I really need another Idol album there?”

    Finally, with more competition in terms of singing competitions, it’s harder for AI to maintain media buzz. BGT and AGT are very good at creating media sensations, perhaps because we don’t have time to get bored with contestants like Jackie and SuBo. The 40-episode season of AI is simply exhausting. It’s hard to keep media buzzed about an Idol contestant, no matter how good he or she is.

    I think as long as the show is entertaining, people will continue to watch it. Most of them aren’t going to be watching post-idol to see if their favorite has the bestest post-Idol career or not. If they see a finalist’s CD five years later on a shelf in Target, they’re just going to go, “Cool. I remember him/her.”

  • smeggingnuts

    I’m sure it goes the other way as well, but I do think Kris fans have never been quite as vocal and insistent as the Adam fans in this regard so it might not be as noticeable.

    Yeah it goes both way but also I think all fanbases (not just idol) have that small contingent of fans that the only way for them to express who great their favorite is doing is by cutting down a differant artist that is somehow linked to their favorite. Gaga/X-Tina any one….those fans are scary. Beiber fans and ANYONE they precieve getting in their way of being with Beiber or Beiber being #1 on anything.

    haha you may or may not be surprised which bsc contingent fan bases feel the need to bring down other artists (and I am talking idol here seriously some wtf moments of how does even effect your favorite lol). But its such a small percentage. We see alot of the idol wars because we are active on idol boards.

    haha and i’m definatly not going to start pointing fingers at who dissed my idol…I want MJ to have a nice calm lead up to the holidays

  • frogcooke

    I swear Archie is going to look young till the day he dies.

    *shakes fist* If only we could all be so lucky.

  • Keel
    Producing superstars who actually win the competition. Having runner-ups or people who came in further back do better than the actual winner makes the show looks weak. IMO.

    Not for me. I see the show as trying to find, among the ranks of amateurs/unknowns/overlooked aspirants, singing talent that deserves to be seen and heard in the music industry. Whether ultimately the most successful from any given season is the winner or not, not such a big deal, as long as the season produces one or more reasonably successful artists from its top set of finalists.

    I totally agree with this. Until S7, I had not watched AI since S1. But I did hear about AI a lot on radio stations, magazines, blogs, etc. and I always found it surprising if anyone from Idol other than Kelly was somehow making it given how cheesy the show was. Honestly, I couldn’t care less about whether a person won or not because I couldn’t care less about the show and its stupid game show origins! But what I did find interesting was that I was beginning to feel some grudging respect towards the show and the franchise because they were producing people who were making it in some fashion in the entertainment industry. So whenever I heard a song on the radio was sung by an AI alum or an AI alum won some award, I would sit there thinking a lot of things — such as: (1) damn, that cheesy show has produced some legit musicians, or (2) who’d da thunk it? and (3) ya mean Kelly wasn’t a fluke? And I wouldn’t even know or care whether they won or just placed — because I honestly don’t think the general publci (non-AI bubble) gives a crap.

    And then S7 happened, and I was assimilated into the collective. *sigh*

  • smeggingnuts

    frogcooke:
    12/23/2010 at 2:43 pm
    I swear Archie is going to look young till the day he dies.

    *shakes fist* If only we could all be so lucky.

    IKR so unfair

  • Indigobunting

    When the album is released has a lot to do with where it ranks. For instance, if Kris had released his album just one week earlier, it would have ranked #6 instead of #11. If he had released it the week that Danny’s album dropped, it would have been #2. If Lee had released his album just one week earlier, he would have ranked #9 instead of #19. (using their actual 1st week sales #s, of course).

    But position does matter as far as season. For example, all the Idols had double digit increases this week. Danny had a triple digit increase Black Friday week. Even the Idols who have “old” albums had good increases. So obviously people are buying a lot more, and for gifts. No one buys stocking stuffers in Jan through March. Maybe Easter baskets in late March/April, lol. That is why chart position does matter somewhat- everyone sells more in a hot selling season.
    I think a variable that doesn’t seem fair if you are comparing Idols as far as position is releasing with a lot of huge names. That isn’t controllable year after year.

  • fadetowhite

    One of the most common comments I read from Adam fans is a desire to see two adjectives no longer used to describe Adam — “openly gay singer” and “American Idol runner up”.

    I can understand that :lol

    But I think it’s the nature of the media and media lazy thinking. They need to categorise and place people into boxes in order to write about them and once those boxes have been assigned, they’re hard as hell to throw off.

    I can think of a few choice ones I’d rather never see associated with Cook – WGWG being prime!

    But none of them are ever going to escape the Idol tag – all they can do is soften it through other accomplishments, as Carrie has done.

  • ozarko
  • tierbee

    Lol, Keel, I *watched* Idol from S2 on but didn’t fall into the bubble until S7. Prior to Mr. Cook I didn’t really think much about the Idols once the season ended – even if I voted for them. I’m sure there are LOTS of people in that boat. That’s why any sort of attempt at correlating Idol viewer numbers to Idol album purchases confounds me :)

    I do agree that Season 10 needs a star. At least some buzz. *Please*

  • Trina

    Of course total sales are more important than debut numbers. Taylor sold more and debuted higher than Jordin but in the end she outsold him.

    And what Idol debut hasn’t had a lot of competition? They all release during the holidays which are packed with lots of big names. Probably why there hasn’t been a #1 debut in so long.

  • fadetowhite

    I totally agree with this. Until S7, I had not watched AI since S1. But I did hear about AI a lot on radio stations, magazines, blogs, etc. and I always found it surprising if anyone from Idol other than Kelly was somehow making it given how cheesy the show was. Honestly, I couldn’t care less about whether a person won or not because I couldn’t care less about the show and its stupid game show origins! But what I did find interesting was that I was beginning to feel some grudging respect towards the show and the franchise because they were producing people who were making it in some fashion in the entertainment industry. So whenever I heard a song on the radio was sung by an AI alum or an AI alum won some award, I would sit there thinking a lot of things — such as: (1) damn, that cheesy show has produced some legit musicians, or (2) who’d da thunk it? and (3) ya mean Kelly wasn’t a fluke? And I wouldn’t even know or care whether they won or just placed — because I honestly don’t think the general publci (non-AI bubble) gives a crap.

    And then S7 happened, and I was assimilated into the collective. *sigh*

    We must be inhabiting the same mental space :lol

    With the exception that I didn’t even hear about the Idol winners, apart from Kelly and Jordin (who had success in the UK) so my experience of Idol up to Season 7 was a cheesy show, I enjoyed once a year: end of story.

  • gangreen29

    (although I think people kind of throw up their hands at Carrie and say, “Well, she’s a Country singer and those fans will buy anything.”)

    People can say that as much as they want, it will never make it anything but a stupid, untrue statement.

  • Cate

    I swear Archie is going to look young till the day he dies.

    The new Dick Clark?

  • steph6449

    Another holiday article with quotes from country artists. This one does have Carrie and also Danny (whose quote, shockingly, mentions food, lol). Don’t see Kellie in this one.

    http://blog.gactv.com/blog/2010/12/23/justin-moore-carrie-underwood-christmas-time%E2%80%99s-a-comin%E2%80%99/

  • gangreen29

    You just proved my one point…Daughtry WAS NOT an idol winner.

    Daughtry wasn’t a winner, but he was a big success off idol. None of the big successes off idol have been flashy, that was my point….. You might want a flashy winner but there is no precedence for someone like that being what the show needs.

  • FREIDAG

    Unfortunately, there are still some Adam fans out there who insist on trolling articles about Kris to post negatively about him. As long as this group remains so vocal, there will always be the association with AI.

    And I’m sure there are Kris fans who do the same on Adam boards! Seriously we could go in circles. Such is the nature of competition. But I agree with Q3 that most Adam fans have moved past Idol. I know quite a few Adam fans who didn’t even watch AI so they really don’t care who won or lost.

  • smeggingnuts

    I know quite a few Adam fans who didn’t even watch AI so they really don’t care who won or lost.

    \0

  • Montavilla
    (although I think people kind of throw up their hands at Carrie and say, “Well, she’s a Country singer and those fans will buy anything.”)

    People can say that as much as they want, it will never make it anything but a stupid, untrue statement.

    I agree, gangreen29. I hear people saying it, but it doesn’t make it true.

  • gangreen29

    But I agree with Q3 that most Adam fans have moved past Idol.

    Well, I disagree, just based on my time here.

  • CindyM

    Adam’s Glamnation tour was named #10 in the Dallas Morning News Top Shows of 2010

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/stories/1227glmonlede.165a9c8.html

    ETA: Fantasia’s show was picked as #2 by a different reviewer. Thanks Gangreen, I missed it the first time.

    Q102 Philly has come out with their top 102 songs of 2010:

    WWFM #29
    LLWD #35
    IIHY #59

    http://www.q102.com/pages/top102/2010.html?article=7957164

  • jpfan

    I think what Adam and Kris did to raise the bar was to create fascinating performances. In terms of “moments,” each of them individually had more than most other contestants, and if you combine their “moments” together, you got at least one really interesting performance a week during Season 8.

    You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but I disagree. When media outlets do a Top 10 performances from Idol they include a broad section of performances from many seasons. S8 was not really that unique when it came to Idol moments. The bigger problem is that S9 actually produced almost none. ;)

  • gangreen29

    Adam’s Glamnation tour was named #10 in the Dallas Morning News Top Shows of 2010

    And down a little on the page a different writer picks Fantasia as the #2 tour.

  • sr4mjc

    More picking on Hey Soul Sister, which is always fun! Seriously, did 4 million people never pay attention to these ridiculous lyrics?

    http://bit.ly/ifyQ3O

  • smeggingnuts

    gangreen29:
    12/23/2010 at 3:20 pm
    But I agree with Q3 that most Adam fans have moved past Idol.

    Well, I disagree, just based on my time here.

    I think the key is most the people that post on blogs such as this is a small percentage of any idol’s fan base. There was no claim that ALL moved past.

    Your sample is biased towards hard care AI fans.

  • Studio57

    Well, I disagree, just based on my time here.

    There is probably about what? 50 active Adam fans here off season? As opposed to a few thousand on twitter and facebook. Believe me- most have moved on but you probably wouldn’t notice if you don’t go there. Kris is hardly mentioned on twiiter or facebook- it’s mostly Bieber and Katy and Kesha that some Adam fans think of as competition.

  • smeggingnuts

    sr4mjc:
    12/23/2010 at 3:37 pm
    More picking on Hey Soul Sister, which is always fun!

    http://bit.ly/ifyQ3O

    Ok first off I am not sure how much I like you right now since that is way more information of tha song than I ever wanted lol

    but omg too frikken funny

    2. Train, “Hey, Soul Sister”
    “Well you can cut a rug
    Watching you is the only drug
    I need
    So gangster, I’m so thug
    You’re the only one I’m dreaming of
    You see I can be myself now finally
    In fact there’s nothing I cant be
    I want the world to see you’ll be with me.”

    We’re speecheless. “Gangster”–that’s the first thing that comes in mind when we think about Train.

  • gangreen29

    There was no claim that ALL moved past.

    There was a claim that MOST moved on, which based on the Adam fans here, and the ones that I notice on twitter saying bad things about Crystal and Carrie, does not ring true to me. Thats all.

  • heidijoy

    As an “Archie” fan,I believe that Archie’s attitude and happiness @coming in second and his compliments about Cook deserving to win plus the big brother attitude Cook had re:Archie did a lot to quell any fan wars. I believe that it worked out very well for Archie because he did well without having the pressure that winning would have created. I think the debut sales for both were great and Archie’s single sales for Crush made us all happy. I visit Archie sites faithfully and there has been nothing but respect shown for Cook. We even helped with his Cancer benifit drives. No need to try and drum up fan wars that were never there.

  • FREIDAG

    Kris is hardly mentioned on twiiter or facebook- it’s mostly Bieber and Katy and Kesha that some Adam fans think of as competition.

    I find this to be completely accurate.

    Q102 Philly has come out with their top 102 songs of 2010:

    WWFM #29
    LLWD #35
    IIHY #59

    http://www.q102.com/pages/top102/2010.html?article=7957164

    Nice for both Kris and Adam!

  • smeggingnuts

    There was a claim that MOST moved on, which based on the Adam fans here, and the ones that I notice on twitter saying bad things about Crystal and Carrie, does not ring true to me. Thats all.

    Once again your sample is biased towards hardcore AI fans….I have never once heard/seen Adam fans diss Carrie or Crystal. Does that mean that there arn’t some that do. No there are always people that feel the need to say negative things about others for no logical reason.

    by your logic Kris and Cook fans have it out for Adam. And can’t move past the fact that the media can’t get enough of him and that somehow its all Adam’s fault that they don’t get more promotion.

    Its all just BS from a small contingent people that need to get a real life

  • car

    smegg, I agree. It is not logical to think that most Adam fans are posting here. In fact, most fans of any idols are not posting here.

  • smeggingnuts
  • sr4mjc

    Idol Let Down, Is America Choosing Well?

    This article has serious issues in the fact checking department. Cook, Kris, Adam and Fantasia most obvious.

    http://www.film.com/tv/american-idol/story/idol-let-down-america-choosing/43160086

  • pineappletree

    On my twitter feed I see daily bashing of Kris, Cook, and even Daughtry. So I know it’s not just here. Adam fans can scream “they are over idol” all they want too but the evidence does not support it.

  • koshka

    There was a claim that MOST moved on, which based on the Adam fans here, and the ones that I notice on twitter saying bad things about Crystal and Carrie, does not ring true to me. Thats all.

    Perhaps they just don’t care for that end of the music spectrum. I know I certainly don’t, despite whatever talent they may have. I’ve made comments about situations surrounding both of them, but never discuss my opinion of their music or talent. That is something I can’t judge.

    ETA: pineappletree why would you leave those folks in your twitter feed? Cut loose the BSC!!

  • smeggingnuts

    pineappletree:
    12/23/2010 at 4:13 pm
    On my twitter feed I see daily bashing of Kris, Cook, and even Daughtry. So I know it’s not just here. Adam fans can scream “they are over idol” all they want too but the evidence does not support it.

    Well I guess with twitter its all about who you follow

    There is never any absolutes in life….except vodka

  • FREIDAG

    On my twitter feed I see daily bashing of Kris, Cook, and even Daughtry. So I know it’s not just here. Adam fans can scream “they are over idol” all they want too but the evidence does not support it.

    I guess Kris was correct about one thing. Twitter is the devil. :)

  • smeggingnuts

    Cut loose the BSC!!

    haha exactly I mean does anyone take this guy seriously?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

  • gangreen29

    Perhaps they just don’t care for that end of the music spectrum. I know I certainly don’t, despite whatever talent they may have. I’ve made comments about situations surrounding both of them, but never discuss my opinion of their music or talent. That is something I can’t judge.

    That’s fine in my opinion. I actually don’t mind if people don’t like certain performers I like. I prefer people be upfront and open about their dislikes, I certainly talk about things I dislike a lot. That’s what I like about MJs, we are free to be irrationally annoyed by things and rail against them lol. I’m just saying that if I notice comments about Crystal and Carrie on twitter from Adam fans, that indicates at least some interest still in the idol world from Adam fans.

  • pineappletree

    It isn’t just twiiter. It is also on countless articles and other boards I visit. Adam fans still care about idol. I am just calling it like i see it :)

  • gangreen29

    There is never any absolutes in life….except vodka

    Which is why it is silly for us to argue whether most Adam fans have moved on or not, we both have different realities and experiences that color our opinions. Truce lol.

  • fadetowhite

    No need to try and drum up fan wars that were never there.

    They were most definitely there just after season 7 finished :lol

    But yes – I do think that both Archie and Cook helped to diffuse the situation and that it has all fizzled out since.

    From my reading of Cook sites, there is nothing but fondness, respect and good wishes for Archie.

    The observation about the sales figures is just an opinion, but Kris and Adam have been nothing but positive and sweet towards each other too.

    Personally, I am convinced that the sales figures from the respective albums took the wind out of that fanwar’s sales: there was plenty of ridiculous crapola spouted when Crush first came out and had a much better start than Light On.

    Honestly – I’m not picking on Archie or Archie fans – we’ve seen exactly the same pattern in fan response each season since and I’m sure that if Archie had won and Cook had come second, it would have been the same in reverse.

    I’m just relieved that the sales figures gave it no reason for continuing, that’s all.

    Looking at it now, it’s totally ridiculous that anyone could ever have had actively negative feelings towards Archie, who has to be one of the most inoffensive, positive and sweetest people out there (ETA: and I’d say ditto for Cook, but I’m trying not to be too fanwanky). It’s the nature of the show and the judgemental competitivenes it provokes and nothing to do with Cook or Archie (or Kris or Adam for that matter).

  • smeggingnuts

    It’s the nature of the show and the judgemental competitivenes it provokes and nothing to do with Cook or Archie (or Kris or Adam for that matter).

    Exactly…been trying to say this but you said it way better

  • tierbee

    They were most definitely there just after season 7 finished :lol

    But yes – I do think that both Archie and Cook helped to diffuse the situation and that it has all fizzled out since.

    From my reading of Cook sites, there is nothing but fondness, respect and good wishes for Archie.

    Oh, yes, there were definitely fanwars — like *here*. Ask MJ :) She was pretty exasperated back then, too. It’s just that it *ENDED* at some point, and S8 has not… ever… ended. So hence my wish for Season 10 to bring on some new excitement. Hell, give me new fanwars. Something?

    I totally agree that a big part of the fizzling fanwar for the Davids is how they act towards and about each other. And I really saw a marked decrease in it after they played Manila together – I think it melted a lot of hard hearts when Archie came out and did Daily Anthem with Cook. I think the combo of how much they like and admire each other plus Adam’s passing just put out the last major flames of any sort of fanwar. I mean, it’s still there sometimes, I see on the Twitter feed what have to be youngsters posting now and then “OMG David Cook suxxxxx I love David Archuleta!” haha. But it’s minor.

    Looking at it now, it’s totally ridiculous that anyone could ever have had actively negative feelings towards Archie, who has to be one of the most inoffensive, positive and sweetest people out there.

    I know, right? I could never muster up any hate for Archie. Archie’s like sunshine and light. I’m not Scrooge ;)

  • HermeticallySealed

    I don’t think the point was that Adam fans moved on from liking him, or watching AI. More that they had moved on from caring about who won that season. Iono, hard to tell at this point as the conversation seems to be a bit muddled to tell. lol

    Personally, I like Adam, but I like Kris as a person and don’t have anything against him or his career. I’m just not a fan of the genre. Honestly, I don’t care much about any artist’s career to the point I am invested in their future. I don’t profit from their success, nor suffer from their failure. They simple are there for me. And I think the vast majority of fans are the same way.

  • pineappletree

    So hence my wish for Season 10 to bring on some new excitement. Hell, give me new fanwars. Something?

    From your lips to God’s ear!!! We are going over a year and half with the same arguments repeated daily..lol It is like we are stuck in the Twilight zone.

  • LK10

    I visit Archie sites faithfully and there has been nothing but respect shown for Cook. We even helped with his Cancer benefit drives. No need to try and drum up fan wars that were never there.

    I am in total agreement with you Heidi.

  • sr4mjc

    That’s the thing with twitter. Cut the crazy off the feed. Buh bye!

  • smeggingnuts

    sr4mjc:
    12/23/2010 at 4:13 pm
    Idol Let Down, Is America Choosing Well?

    This article has serious issues in the fact checking department. Cook, Kris, Adam and Fantasia most obvious.

    http://www.film.com/tv/american-idol/story/idol-let-down-america-choosing/43160086

    Damnit Adam has been performing in plays this whole time and I didn’t even know about it….. #badfan

  • Mark

    Oh, yes, there were definitely fanwars — like *here*. Ask MJ :) She was pretty exasperated back then, too. It’s just that it *ENDED* at some point, and S8 has not… ever… ended. So hence my wish for Season 10 to bring on some new excitement. Hell, give me new fanwars. Something?

    Maybe we should just take up the cause of former contestants of utter obscurity and, by all means necessary, fight to the death for them, insisting they are the greatest things ever and far more successful than any other human being. Anyone want to help me take up the cause of Scott MacIntyre?

  • gangreen29

    Anyone want to help me take up the cause of Scott MacIntyre?

    No, but I will champion the Anti-Scott side.

  • Silent Screams

    Farmers Daughter is dropping like a rock. #18 on Amazon.

  • tierbee

    Hahaha, Mark. Idol Battles! I can’t champion Scott, though. I’m on team gangreen29 on that one. :)

    I thought we were going to have some Sing-Off fanwars but the thread got too old. It started getting a little testy in there… OK, not really.

    This article has serious issues in the fact checking department. Cook, Kris, Adam and Fantasia most obvious.

    That was awful! Did they even research it at all? Of course I laughed because in the comments there were Adam and Cook fans setting it straight. What did Cook call some of his fans once? Adamant? Hee.

  • smeggingnuts

    Maybe we should just take up the cause of former contestants of utter obscurity and, by all means necessary, fight to the death for them, insisting they are the greatest things ever and far more successful than any other human being. Anyone want to help me take up the cause of Scott MacIntyre?

    hey I’ll go completely off the deep end…Tatiana

  • HermeticallySealed

    No, but I will champion the Anti-Scott side.

    Okay, I was wrong. I do actively hope he will disappear. Forever.

  • steph6449

    Anyone want to help me take up the cause of Scott MacIntyre

    Lol. Although in all fairness I’d have to list list Scott, with Matt, as among the unsigned S8 finalists who have done the best at keeping themselves going post-AI. He’s put out his indie music which has done as well as any of the other unsigned peeps except Matt, gotten at least a little radio play for it, done various concert events and other appearances including internationally, made it with Matt back to perform on AI9, has a book deal I think (?), gotten various interviews in online, print, and local tv outlets, and recently signed to a company that handles bookings for speakers and personal appearances.

    None of those individually are earthshaking, but together they seem to add up to enough to sustain him him doing what he wants to do.

    hey I’ll go completely off the deep end…Tatiana

    Eek. She’s scary :?

  • car

    It will be interesting to see what happens with the next round of albums. Fans will no longer be able to blame anyone for the success or lack of success on who deserved to get the promotion but did not. Or who got the booking that their idol deserved to get. Why is A getting more attention than B. Why did A get the magazine cover instead of B. A wrote 2 songs but B wrote 10, but A wrote a hit and B did not. It will be every man for himself. If they create a good product and have interest they will get bookings and promotion but it will not be because of an obligation to idol. And it is going to be much harder than the 1st time without benefit of that obligation.

  • Mark

    hey I’ll go completely off the deep end…Tatiana

    There’s the spirit! (Fun one too, considering she’s creepily stalking Ryan Seacrest on twitter)

  • smeggingnuts

    Mark:
    12/23/2010 at 4:51 pm
    hey I’ll go completely off the deep end…Tatiana

    There’s the spirit! (Fun one too, considering she’s creepily stalking Ryan Seacrest on twitter)

    seems that if I am going to do this justice I need to start my research and fan page….brb

  • Mark

    Lol. Although in all fairness I’d have to list list Scott, with Matt, as among the unsigned S8 finalists who have done the best at keeping themselves going post-AI. He’s put out his indie music which has done as well as any of the other unsigned peeps except Matt, gotten at least a little radio play for it, done various concert events and other appearances including internationally, made it with Matt back to perform on AI9, has a book deal I think (?), gotten various interviews in online, print, and local tv outlets, and recently signed to a company that handles bookings for speakers and personal appearances.

    Yeah, that is the weird part of following Idol after the show. One the one hand we have Jennifer Hudson, who just kind of gets to casually pop up in some piece about Navy Pier, and on the other you have some news on LaToya London, whose whereabouts usually can only be found with the latest spy technology. So it’s impressive enough when these Idols who really are expected to slip totally into obscurity manage to claw on and try and make it in the business.

    Of course, no one has the sheer power of Katharine McPhee’s sacrificial goats.

  • tierbee

    Fans will no longer be able to blame anyone for the success or lack of success on who deserved to get the promotion but did not.

    Oh, sure they can. It doesn’t mean it will be rational, but they can ;)

    Me? When Cook’s album drops, I’m going into hiding. Hahaha.

    seems that if I am going to do this justice I need to start my research and fan page….brb

    You have to make Tatiana art. You can’t be a superfan without making art.

  • tierbee

    Of course, no one has the sheer power of Katharine McPhee’s sacrificial goats.

    I think the magic goats borrowed some of the magic rainbow – that thing has survival skillz.

  • smeggingnuts

    You have to make Tatiana art. You can’t be a superfan without making art.

    well I have now changed my avi at least its a start

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    But I agree with Q3 that most Adam fans have moved past Idol. I know quite a few Adam fans who didn’t even watch AI so they really don’t care who won or lost.

    Does it really matter what goes on at other fan boards? I couldn’t care less. All I know is what goes on here, and the S8 fan wars are alive and well at mjsbigblog.

    I’ve had to moderate that shit out of posts about completely non-Idol related subjects like Glee, X Factor and the Sing-Off. All it takes are a handful of fans who can’t. let. it. go.

    Ditto with past seasons. The S7 wars were bitter here for a long time. And again, all it took was a few passive-aggressive fans stirring up the shit. Or those fans who didn’t care either way but loved causing trouble.

    The “concern trolls” are the best. Why we don’t fanwar! We love X contestant and are so very very concerned with his terrible terrible sales, that we feel the need to point them out at every turn!” lol.

    By the end of the Idol year, I end up banning a lot of posters, not because they’re attacking fellow posters so much, but because they are constantly baiting or starting fan wars. It happens ever single year. Even Season 9 has its problems, believe me.

  • Mark

    I think the magic goats borrowed some of the magic rainbow – that thing has survival skillz.

    *imagines a bizarre, Bible-like scene, in which dozens of Idols past and present chase like mad-people after a magic rainbow, trampling each other as they go*

  • fadetowhite

    Yup – I’m going to ignore the aliens that have implanted false memories in my head of fanwars that never were and start beating the drum for…uummmmmm: problem is, I can’t remember any of the crappy contestants from season 7 who left early?

  • Trina

    I could be off here but I always thought one of the thing that prevented season 5/8 level fanwars was that season 7 was one of the rare times Ryan announced how many votes made up the difference. I remember at the time feeling bad for Archie because IMO it was cruel how that 12 million number got dragged out all over the place BUT it did prevent a lot of voting grassy knoll stuff like we saw with the ATT crap in season 8. Sure the fanwarring was there especially with first week sales and stuff but jesus the David/Archie stuff wasn’t nearly as severe as the neverending Adam/Kris stuff. I completely agree that the Manila concert kinda brought the fanbases together.

  • smeggingnuts

    fadetowhite there is always Sanjaya

  • tierbee

    *imagines a bizarre, Bible-like scene, in which dozens of Idols past and present chase like mad-people after a magic rainbow, trampling each other as they go*

    OMG, Mark, that needed a warning label on it, I shot soda out of my nose. Hee.

  • tierbee

    smeggingnuts, your new avi is a thing of beauty. I can almost hear the angel choir singing.

  • fadetowhite

    Ditto with past seasons. The S7 wars were bitter here for a long time. And again, all it takes is a few passive-aggressive fans stirring up the shit.

    Seriously – if that’s directed my way (and I may be being over-sensitive here) – I was just making an observation, not trying to shit stir.

    I actually thought it was long enough after the fact and that things had settled down to such an extent, that it would be possible to muse on the post season 7 stuff (as people do on the post season 5 stuff incidentally) without it being an issue.

    My bad.

    But it does never cease to amaze me that people will deny that things happened, when they absolutely did; especially when – ultimately – it’s all complete nonsense and doesn’t reflect on either artist in any way whatsoever.

  • girlygirl

    I think Anoop is a good example of an Idol who isn’t signed who has been working every angle he can to try and keep his career going. He and Matt are the two unsigned S8 people I see the most news about. I do see a bit of stuff about Scott, but more often than not that has more to do with his speaking engagements about his sight than about his actual music.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Seriously – if that’s directed my way (and I may be being over-sensitive here) – I was just making an observation, not trying to shit stir.

    Yes, you are being over-sensitive. It was not directed at you.

  • tierbee

    I think Anoop is a good example of an Idol who isn’t signed who has been working every angle he can to try and keep his career going.

    I follow him on Twitter and he seems to be working his butt off. Same for Matt G. Love them both :)

  • smeggingnuts

    tierbee:
    12/23/2010 at 5:09 pm
    smeggingnuts, your new avi is a thing of beauty. I can almost hear the angel choir singing.

    And is sounds something like this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Olq67Knuz8

  • girlygirl

    There is someone on my twitter feed who follows Tatiana and she’ll re-tweet Tatiana’s stuff every once in awhile. It is seriously creepy stuff — she claims she’s marrying Ryan, she talks about how Idol used a double for her at points during the show, etc etc. Just scary…

  • fadetowhite

    Yes, you are being over-sensitive. It was not directed at you.

    Oh – OK sorry.

    It was the earlier comment from someone else about my post trying to start fanwars that never existed that over sensitised me…

    I’ll stick to the celebrating underwhelming contestants path instead.

    Smegginuts – Sanjaya is just too over exposed. I need someone completely forgotten. Jasmine Triass – or something like that. Anyone remember someone with a name like that? Season 6 I think?

  • pineappletree

    Is Tatiana doing this for attention or is she just really bat-shit crazy?

  • smeggingnuts

    seriously hahaha ok sometimes you have to follow the crazy cuz well its so crazy to be entertaining at all hell

  • smeggingnuts

    pineappletree:
    12/23/2010 at 5:15 pm
    Is Tatiana doing this for attention or is she just really bat-shit crazy?

    My take is that she is soooo BSC to believe that this fake crazy will get her fortune and fame

  • Mark

    My take is that she is soooo BSC to believe that this fake crazy will get her fortune and fame

    Yeah, I remember reading some of her stuff well, well back ago. Creepy as all hell, but funny in a perverse way.

  • pineappletree

    Lol she creeps me out. She has got the “crazy” eyes

  • Mark

    Smegginuts – Sanjaya is just too over exposed. I need someone completely forgotten. Jasmine Triass – or something like that. Anyone remember someone with a name like that? Season 6 I think?

    Jasmine Trias is S3. But if you’re going to go S3, go Carmen Rasmussen. Just because.

    If going S7, maybe Kristy Lee Cook? Viva la flag! (This cannot end well)

  • Tess

    Why is it that perspectives and personal opinions always are subject to the “fanwarring” generality? Just because I like how idol #1 sings and performs doesn’t necessarily mean that when I say Idol #2 seems bland and boring that I am cutting down 2 to build up #1. If someone has a negative reaction to someone it isn’t because they are trying to “destroy” that person….they are just relating their personal feelings.

    And it always amazes me that when speaking negatively of someone within a context that is all about them….that someone else always has to bring up something negative about someone who isn’t even part of the conversation as a tit-pro-quo ie: you don’t like my idol, well then I will let you know the million things wrong with your favorite.

    There are some idols who just intrigue me more than others, who I find I like their personalities more than others…is that a crime? And I have strong opinions about why some idols succeed in a small way and why others seem to struggle…is it wrong to analyze how idolettes are doing.

    And I find comparisons less than fruitful in most situations. Time is not static and all the peripheal stuff surrounding an event may be completely different from one idol to the next…so trying to qualify someone in 2010 within the same limited scope of how someone did in 2001 is next to impossible…things change, the world changes, and variables are forever changing.

    I like it that there are lots of opinions…none of us are the same as are none of the idols. Boy it would be a boring world if we all thought the same and reacted the same.

  • tierbee

    And is sounds something like this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Olq67Knuz8

    Bwah! She gives me the heebie jeebies ;)

    Jasmine Trias is S3.

    All I can remember is she always had a flower in her hair.

    Nobody wants to be on Team Scott Savol? No?

  • fadetowhite

    Jasmine Trias is S3. But if you’re going to go S3, go Carmen Rasmussen. Just because.

    Wow really? That long ago. So why do I kind of half remember her and not Carmen Rasmussen? Or is there something about Carmen that is more memorable to men?

  • Mark

    Nobody wants to be on Team Scott Savol? No?

    Even I can’t take that kind of pain.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Why is it that perspectives and personal opinions always are subject to the “fanwarring” generality?

    Because it is so often true. Some of the folks who engage in this behavior aren’t entirely self-aware about it either, which makes it even harder to deal with.

  • Tess

    I do miss Chicken Little! What was his name? And hasn’t he found some pretty good acting gigs?

  • Mark

    Wow really? That long ago. So why do I kind of half remember her and not Carmen Rasmussen? Or is there something about Carmen that is more memorable to men?

    No, it’s more that Jasmine lasted longer than Carmen, and more memorably outlasted much better contestants. (Both Jennifer and LaToya). Carmen’s a personal favorite, though, because she was the original “goat” of Idol history, and still the most absurd.

    (Plus, she was one of those ridiculous contestants who hadn’t actually competed in the semi’s but got put into and passed through the wildcard. Carmen, oddly enough, by Simon)

    I do miss Chicken Little! What was his name? And hasn’t he found some pretty good acting gigs?

    Yes! S5′s Kevin “Chicken Little” Covias! Ah, the good old days of “Part-Time Lover” awfulness.

    (I remember waaaaaay too much about this show.)

  • Indigobunting

    ETA: pineappletree why would you leave those folks in your twitter feed? Cut loose the BSC!!

    Twitter can be the devil, lol!

    I definitely cut loose people who are bsc or who retweet things constantly about celebs I don’t care about.

    But it is unavoidable if you like to read your Idol’s timeline- seeing the crazy.
    Reading Danny’s timeline at times is proof that there are definitely people who have not let S8 go, lol. And I’m sure it holds true for other seasons too.
    Some of the tweets I see makes me seriously weep for society at the public nastiness some young kids will tweet.

  • Tess

    Some of the folks who engage in this behavior aren’t entirely self-ware about it either, which makes it even harder to deal with.

    Or is it that the reader, seeing the name of the poster, automatically assumes that whatever they say is a dig at their favorite just because the poster has expressed a favorite at one time?

  • girlygirl

    If you checked Kris’ @ replies on twitter or went into the comments section on any article that even mentions him in a positive light you would see that there are a bunch of Adam fans who have NOT moved past Idol and who continue to bash him — and in quite a nasty fashion.

    Likewise, there are a bunch of Kris fans who do this same type of thing — tweeting nasty crap to Adam and/or making nasty comments in the articles that mention him.

    Unfortunately, for far too many people, the S8 fanwars continue to burn brightly (and don’t even get me started on the nutcase who goes by the initials KK).

  • fadetowhite

    Tess:

    We all read things into each others’ comments and make assumptions.

    Especially when you are known to be a strong fan of one person (or one group of people) you cannot make a negative comment – or simply say that you dislike someone else – without people assuming that you are bigging up your favourite.

    But honestly – when your favourite and the person you aren’t that keen on come from the same season and especially if your favourite is the runner-up and the person you don’t like is the winner, then those assumptions are very easy to jump to: and 95% of the time they’re probably true.

    The weird thing about the Idol boards is that they are a place where we all comment as much about the things we don’t like (or are indifferent to) as about the things that we do. Those people on here who are AI fans first and foremost are probably commenting from a completely unbiased perspective, but as soon as you become a fan (especially a huge fan) it does cast a shadow on what you have to say (whether that shadow exists in reality or not).

  • girlygirl

    Oh ha – Kevin Covais! Yeah, I’ve read that he has gotten a bunch of roles in movies.

  • steph6449

    I think Anoop is a good example of an Idol who isn’t signed who has been working every angle he can to try and keep his career going. He and Matt are the two unsigned S8 people I see the most news about. I do see a bit of stuff about Scott, but more often than not that has more to do with his speaking engagements about his sight than about his actual music.

    I considered mentioning Anoop, too. I just felt Matt and Scott actually were having a little more success with it in terms of results, though I’d agree with the comment that in Scott’s case it is a mix of the music with speaking appearances, etc.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Or is it that the reader, seeing the name of the poster, automatically assumes that whatever they say is a dig at their favorite just because the poster has expressed a favorite at one time?

    When a poster brings up the same negative points about an Idol again and again, it raises a red flag. I’ve been watching this stuff play out since Season 3. I see the same scenarios play out over and over again.

  • fadetowhite

    Carmen’s a personal favorite, though, because she was the original “goat” of Idol history, and still the most absurd.

    (Plus, she was one of those ridiculous contestants who hadn’t actually competed in the semi’s but got put into and passed through the wildcard. Carmen, oddly enough, by Simon)

    I do miss Chicken Little! What was his name? And hasn’t he found some pretty good acting gigs?

    :lol

    There have been some spectacularly bad contestants!

  • BootStar

    When a poster brings up the same negative points about an Idol again and again, it raises a red flag. I’ve been watching this stuff play out since Season 3. I see the same scenarios play out over and over again.

    Ain’t that the truth? Seriously, it’s like watching Groundhog Day. Another day, same ol’ sh*t!

    Geebus, I can’t wait for S10 to start.

  • Silent Screams

    Farmers Daughter dropped yet again. #19 on Amazon.

  • mickeybordentwo

    The bitterness that Clay fans felt at the end of Season 2 is the platonic ideal of Idolrage. A little of the anger was aimed at Ruben (because he won), but the vast majority was aimed directly at Idol itself (with a hefty percentage of that at Simon). Ruben won the final episode, but it was pretty obvious Clay won the season, and he certainly won the post-season, thus bringing into question the Idol voting system (questions which continue to be asked).

    Adam fans were upset Adam lost (I know I was), but would have been hard pressed to lay the defeat at the way the show had treated him. Every now and again Simon might have been nasty, but basically Adam was treated as a star who happened to be competing. And then Adam won the post-season.

    If David A had outsold David C, if he’d won the off-season, who knows how the fans of each would have acted. But if the season winner outsells the season number two, it’s hard for fans (or media) to be righteously indignant.

    Idol has wanted to recreate the excitement of season 2 since season 2. That’s why they tried so hard to get that David/David final (with its ridiculous prize fighting motif). That’s why they worked so hard, albeit unsuccessfully, to get the Adam/Danny final.

    Idol works best with at least one competitor that inspires passion and media interest, and at least one other competitor sufficiently likeable that if he wins, it seems to make sense. The seasons that haven’t had that balance are the seasons people don’t tend to talk about.

  • abbysee

    It’s wonderful to just lurk and read, and then see an example of what everyone is talking about in living color. Makes me LOL! Carry on.

  • Tess

    but as soon as you become a fan (especially a huge fan) it does cast a shadow on what you have to say (whether that shadow exists in reality or not).

    But what constitutes a huge fan and how do you distinguish that from a “fan”. So, what is being said is that someone who really likes Crystal and supports her has no right to an opinion about Lee because that opinion is based purely on their need to ambush Lee because it will put Crystal in a better light. Again, that has more to do with the reader’s bias than the posters.

  • fadetowhite

    It’s wonderful to just lurk and read, and then see an example of what everyone is talking about in living color. Makes me LOL! Carry on.

    ITA :LOL

  • fadetowhite

    So, what is being said is that someone who really likes Crystal and supports her has no right to an opinion about Lee because that opinion is based purely on their need to ambush Lee because it will put Crystal in a better light.

    Nope they have every right to say it.

    They’d just better be prepared for the fact that what they say will be interpreted in a context.

    It’s hardly a phenomenon unique to Idol, Idol boards or Idol fans. It’s a normal part of human discourse.

  • tierbee

    Geebus, I can’t wait for S10 to start.

    Haha, YES PLEASE.

    MJ, I don’t know how you do it but I’m glad you do :)

    Even I can’t take that kind of pain.

    George Huff? Surely someone can be on Team Huff. What’s he up to these days?

    And cripes, I remember wayyyy too many of these people now that I think about it ;)

  • pineappletree

    Kris’s shirtless pics make JustJared’s Top 50 post countdown at #41. To bad Kris hates them..lol

    http://justjared.buzznet.com/2010/12/23/justjared-top-50-posts-2010/

  • steph6449

    Nashville Country Club has posted a Christmas video. It has Danny talking about Christmas, along with Alan Jackson, Kenny Chesney, and Craig Morgan. And (not AI-related) a nice little video of Amy Grant with Vince Gill at their recent holiday show at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville.

    http://nashvillecountryclub.com/Members/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=2451

  • car

    If you guys say that the Davids fans ended their fanwar quickly. Could it be because David Cook outsold Archie by a lot, therefore shutting down most talk that he should not have won? Then went on a successful headling tour. Pretty hard to argue after that I would think. But man o man if Archie had outsold him, how bitter would the Cook fans be?

  • tierbee

    But man o man if Archie had outsold him, how bitter would the Cook fans be?

    Hey, you can’t bitter us up theoretically! Maybe we would have been gracious angels :)

    (OK, probably not, but you never know. Strangers things have happened)

  • Valentin432

    Jasmine Trias is S3. But if you’re going to go S3, go Carmen Rasmussen. Just because.

    Carmen Rasmussen is the 6th finisher in season 2 not season 3.

    That season really put a stamp on what the viewers wanted on the show with the dorky but great singers going far (Ruben, Clay and KLocke) and the “commercial” contestants (Julia Demato, Kim Caldwell and Carmen) being eliminated one by one.
    It was that season that we got the first (and only?) contestant DQ, the infamous Corey Clark.

  • fadetowhite

    But man o man if Archie had outsold him, how bitter would the Cook fans be?

    Very. :lol

    Heck the green tinge to my viewpoint on Adam was vanquished partly because I just forced myself to face up to how totally and utterly banal I was being and partly – in truth – because his sales weren’t in the millions.

    On the other hand – imagine how unbearably smug the Archie fans would have been!

    So, yep, it was far better the way it worked out all round.

    ETA: I’m going to keep my more infantile instincts well under control next year! If Cook’s sales are crap I’m swearing off the boards just to avoid the pesky little devils.

  • gangreen29

    It was that season that we got the first (and only?) contestant DQ, the infamous Corey Clark.

    The only DQ during the live portion of the shows. There have been many more over the years before the top 32/24 rounds.

  • Mark

    Carmen Rasmussen is the 6th finisher in season 2 not season 3.

    Bah, that’s right. I’d thought I’d missed something, but hadn’t remembered what.

    Kris’s shirtless pics make JustJared’s Top 50 post countdown at #41. To bad Kris hates them..lol

    LOL! Yay for shallowness.

  • fadetowhite

    Carmen Rasmussen is the 6th finisher in season 2 not season 3.

    That’s why I don’t remember her then! Another mystery solved!

  • Trina

    If Archie outsold DC poor MJ would need a lifetime supply of Valium to deal with the mess here on top of the endless Kris/Adam/Danny stuff.

    Oh and put me on team Scott Savol! Dude deserves props if only for bringing the funny the night Constantine got his ass booted. One of the funniest threads ever on Survivor Sucks was the anniversary of that elimination and they constantly posted gifs and caps of Scott’s reaction LOL

  • windmills

    sma11ie: George Huff? Surely someone can be on Team Huff. What’s he up to these days?

    Aw I always had a soft spot in my heart for him! Too, he’s legendary in Idol lore as the guy who got Huffed! I think he’s on the Gospel circuit these days though he doesn’t have as high a profile as Mandisa. He’s definitely still singing.

  • tierbee

    ETA: I’m going to keep my more infantile instincts well under control next year! If Cook’s sales are crap I’m swearing off the boards just to avoid the pesky little devils.

    Haha, I’ll join you – I’m going to put myself in a big old timeout and then MJ won’t make me disappear ;)

    Aw I always had a soft spot in my heart for him!

    Me too :)

  • tinawina

    I love y’all. That is all. :D

    Team Savol! America was just not ready for that kind of street realness! He was a visionary, the only TRUE competitor that was too real and edgy for Idol! He will be a superstar! Mark my words! ;)

    ETA: I am already shuddering at the thought of Cook’s release. There will be no stopping the crazy. LOL

  • heidijoy

    I’m getting the impression that some of you are trying to stir up a fan war between Archie and Cook that has been long gone. You say it was alive here @MJ’s but haven’t felt it since before the vote until the postings today. I think some of you like stirring the pot. Hypotheticals don’t count.
    Peace and Happy Holidays!!

  • tierbee

    LOL, tinawina! You are off to a running start for #1 fan on Team Savol!

    Though I can’t figure out who will be the opposing camp – Constantine?

    You say it was alive here @MJ’s but haven’t felt it since before the vote until the postings today.

    Oh, it was here. Most definitely was here. But it’s been (mostly) gone for a long time, and I don’t think there’s a big enough stick to stir it back up at the moment :) Though I should speak for myself, I suppose… but seems to me from my view inside Cooktardistan that most Cook fans have a big ol’ soft spot for Archie.

  • tierbee

    I am already shuddering at the thought of Cook’s release. There will be no stopping the crazy. LOL

    We might need a bunker. A nice, safe little bunker.

  • car

    Just funning heidijoy, not serious.

  • isisdagmar

    maybe because i’d never seen idol before stumbling across adam halfway through his season–and i didn’t watch last season since apart from him i didn’t like the show–but i never understood the fanwar stuff that well. like, as a fan, i’m happy that adam’s doing well, and the grammy nomination was kind of a cool confirmation that he has real-world/industry respect and interest, and with him doing well on pop radio and getting non-idol fans, hopefully he’ll be able to continue that. and that’s what i’m interested in, just how he is doing as an artist in the real world like all the other artists i like, not how he’s doing in the idol bubble, you know?

    from what I’ve heard, I also think Kelly (who I’d heard of before Adam, obviously), Allison, and Crystal are talented.

  • jpfan

    The Davids battle is def history. Usually once contestants achieve some kind of success, fans get less defensive and stop the constant defend/attack thing. Also I think the Pavlovian voting thing wears off eventually. That’s how it usually works anyway. But there are always die hards (like the Japanese soldiers from WW 2 who never surrendered) who’ll keep it going for years…decades. ;)

  • tinawina

    We might need a bunker. A nice, safe little bunker.

    Me and you should hide out together. I’ll bring the popcorn if you bring the wine. We can watch it all from a safe distance.

    If he tanks, I will pout for like 3, 4 whole days. :D

  • fadetowhite

    I’m getting the impression that some of you are trying to stir up a fan war between Archie and Cook that has been long gone. You say it was alive here @MJ’s but haven’t felt it since before the vote until the postings today

    Oh p-l-e-a-s-e!

    I don’t know what more can be done to disprove this theory.

    Walk through the virtual streets of MJs in sack cloth and ashes wearing a sign proclaiming ‘I do not hate Acrhie!’ :lol

    Bizarre.

    Seriously – why would the Cook and Archie fans need to fanwar now? Neither is exactly setting the world alight at this moment in time; both are forging ahead trying to find their path through the mire that is the modern music industry in their own sweet ways.

    Mind you – if you keep posting these insinuations that the Cook fans are trying to start a fanwar, you might just start one yourself.

    Are you the firestarter? :lol

  • jpfan

    Is there any date for Cook’s album? I’m out of the loop. I wasn’t a fan but I’m hoping for a decent Fantasia like career for him.

  • tierbee

    Me and you should hide out together. I’ll bring the popcorn if you bring the wine. We can watch it all from a safe distance.

    If he tanks, I will pout for like 3, 4 whole days.

    We can get drunk for 3-4 days if it tanks and exist on popcorn?

    Is there any date for Cook’s album?

    No. Sigh. None at all. Hence me being glad for the Sing-Off distraction so I can stop pouting for a bit, haha!

  • tierbee

    Are you the firestarter?

    Oh, man, I’m losing my mind ’cause all I can picture now is Beavis and Butthead saying “Fire! Fire!” Tee hee.

  • stella189

    ETA: I’m going to keep my more infantile instincts well under control next year! If Cook’s sales are crap I’m swearing off the boards just to avoid the pesky little devils.

    Hmmmm, I wonder who those pesky little devils might be, did somebody say that the fan war between DA and DC had been long gone?

  • fadetowhite

    If he tanks, I will pout for like 3, 4 whole days.

    I’m going to angst and invent as many RCA hates Cook conspiracies as I can.

    Oh and I’ll throw some anti-Adam and Archie theories in there for good measure.

    Oh – and I’ll blame George Huff and Jasmine Trias and Carmen whateverhernamewas too!

    That’s what I’m a gonna do!

  • fadetowhite

    Hmmmm, I wonder who those pesky little devils might be, did somebody say that the fan war between DA and DC had been long gone?

    Oh :lol

    Now I know I’m just being trolled.

    Time for bed.

  • dcglam

    car:
    12/23/2010 at 5:55 pm
    If you guys say that the Davids fans ended their fanwar quickly. Could it be because David Cook outsold Archie by a lot, therefore shutting down most talk that he should not have won? Then went on a successful headling tour. Pretty hard to argue after that I would think. But man o man if Archie had outsold him, how bitter would the Cook fans be?

    I feel you hit the nail on the head. I also feel that this is a good part of the reason for the ongoing saga of Season 8. No rotten tomatoes, please…….. just my very humble opinion!

  • Mark

    Though I can’t figure out who will be the opposing camp – Constantine?

    Oh, god, Constantine.

    Yeah, you know what? Because Constantine is the best ever. He has a Tony nomination, which clearly indicates he’s just as good an actor as Meryl Streep. He’s part of a Guinness Record for being part of the Largest Air Guitar Ensemble, which means he’s better that any Idol in organizing people to do shit. And he’s a major go-to television host, as indicated by his AI Extra and Little Talent Show hosting credits, like Ryan Seacrest.

    Idol just never got Constantine. People have innate biases against people with long hair who aren’t from the South. And people from Alabama or wherever vote a lot, and Constantine wasn’t from Alabama. Because Nickleback covers are the obvious sign of musical taste, and some people just didn’t get that.

    (Even though he’s only the other side of gross…)

  • tinawina

    I’m going to angst and invent as many RCA hates Cook conspiracies as I can.

    Oh and I’ll throw some anti-Adam and Archie theories in ther for good measure.

    Oh – and I’ll blame George Huff and Jasmine Trias and Carmen whateverhernamewas too!

    That’s what I’ma gonna do!

    We should start some now just to have them on hand. We have to be prepared.

    1. 19 doesn’t care about Cook anymore! They trashed him to prop up Lee Dewyze! And Rob Thomas, since he’s Simon Fuller’s babysitter’s hairdresser’s brother-in-law!

    2. RCA hates Cook because of his hair. They don’t like locktupuses.

    3. It’s all Kimberly Caldwell’s fault. She stole his mojo.

    I like those.

    Oh :lol

    Now I know I’m just being trolled.

    Time for bed.

    :D :D

  • Mark

    2. RCA hates Cook because of his hair. They don’t like locktupuses.

    This, as following the definite Idol theory that all future progress in the music business can be determined by the position/thickness of one’s hair.

  • gangreen29

    3. It’s all Kimberly Caldwell’s fault. She stole his mojo.

    Do not even start on Kimberley! Cook wishes he was amazing like her.*

    *I don’t really like Kimberly Caldwell. I was a Trenyce fan. I did like that she sang Bryan Adams (fingers still crossed for a Bryan Adams theme night, maybe X-factor can come through)

  • Indigobunting

    And now for something different:

    Danny back in Milwaukee. Guy is so patient; he smiles and takes a pic with anyone who happens to see him in public. He should wear contacts and a baseball cap, lol.

    But cute pic with a fan:

    http://m.plixi.com/p/64925014

  • Valentin432

    William Hung is the real “real deal” (sorry Bo), that guy sold more albums than Constantine, Diana and Savol combined.
    He’s an international recording superstar, Ellen, Jay Leno and Letterman love him and he can dance too!!!

    Idol knows how much he’s worth to them, he got more singing time than Kelly, Fantasia or Jordin on the last finale!

    I can’t wait for the next era and his duet with other international recording superstar Tatiana Del Toro, this is going to be the first asian-latino smash hit.

  • pineappletree

    I’ll have Ace’s back. He is pretty, also has pretty hair and isn’t a midget. There are no bald spots here to see!! Plus he has a Grammy nom too!! So no blaming anything on him people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Mark

    William Hung is the real “real deal” (sorry Bo), that guy sold more albums than Constantine, Diana and Savol combined.

    Yeah, but he can’t organize people into a massive air guitar. Therefore, his career is obviously failing.

  • tierbee

    Constantine wins under Idol Hair Theorem #27. Sorry, Hung. Though maybe his duet with Tatiana will jettison him to the front of the pack. It would be *divine.*

  • gangreen29

    I have an embarrassingly long list of idol flops that I actually supported on the show, as probably many of you still remember my vigorous defenses of Paige Miles last spring. Along with Paige, there was Christina Christian, Charly Lowry, Lindsey Cardinale, Lisa Tucker, Sabrina Sloan, Kady Malloy, and Casey Carlson.

    Look how many superstar winners idol would have had if only idol voters thought like I do.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Are you the firestarter? :lol

    Firestarter? Twisted firestarter?

  • pineappletree

    12/23/2010 at 7:04 pm
    William Hung is the real “real deal” (sorry Bo), that guy sold more albums than Constantine, Diana and Savol combined.

    Yeah, but he can’t organize people into a massive air guitar. Therefore, his career is obviously failing.

    I like William a lot but I am worried about why people aren’t participating in the air guitaring. Shouldn’t he be doing better since he was on Idol and all these millions of people watched him week after week. I hope it changes soon or he will be dropped from Idol memory. I don’t want that happen because I really do like William. I am just a “very concerned” fan right now. :)

  • Mark

    I have an embarrassingly long list of idol flops that I actually supported on the show, as probably many of you still remember my vigorous defenses of Paige Miles last spring. Along with Paige, there was Christina Christian, Charly Lowry, Lindsey Cardinale, Lisa Tucker, Sabrina Sloan, Kady Malloy, and Casey Carlson.

    As far as obscure contestants go, you have pretty good taste. (Christina, Lindsey, Christina, Sabrina, at least)

  • tierbee

    I loved Sabrina… and Lisa Tucker… and Casey… and Paige. Haha, you’re not alone :)!

  • Mark

    I like William a lot but I am worried about why people aren’t participating in the air guitaring. Shouldn’t he be doing better since he was on Idol and all these millions of people watched him week after week. I hope it changes soon or he will be dropped from Idol memory. I don’t want that happen because I really do like William. I am just a “very concerned” fan right now. :)

    I know, it’s troubling. Maybe it’s because he covered a Ricky Martin song. I don’t think people’s air guitar fantasies are properly unlocked by Ricky Martin. Clearly, more contestants need to sing more Nickleback and less Ricky Martin, so there can be more massive air guitar.

  • tierbee

    Nadia… I loved Nadia. Was she Season 3? I’m not at my computer to check lol.

  • Mark

    Nadia… I loved Nadia. Was she Season 3? I’m not at my computer to check lol.

    Nadia was my personal S4 favorite! Hands down! (That was a waaaaaay early boot)

  • GreenHippo

    it took me forever to read through this thread today, i kept laughing so hard at times. All those forgotten Idols. I had a favorite one from S7, well I should say Un-favorite, Ramiele Malubay. Remember her? what ever happened to her? I don’t think she ever sang in tune.

  • tierbee

    And tinawina, I’m liking your preemptive Cook album excuses haha. Brilliant!

  • GreenHippo

    Jasmin Trias didn’t she make it HUGE in the Philipines, anyone know?

  • Mark

    it took me forever to read through this thread today, i kept laughing so hard at times. All those forgotten Idols. I had a favorite one from S7, well I should say Un-favorite, Ramiele Malubay. Remember her? what ever happened to her? I don’t think she ever sang in tune.

    Oh, Ramiele. She of the “Every musical performance I’ve ever seen happened on American Idol” fame. She could totally square off against KLC.

    Jasmin Trias didn’t she make it HUGE in the Philipines, anyone know?

    Pretty big at one point, I think. But I know so little about what happens over that way.

  • goboywonder

    I’m going to keep my more infantile instincts well under control next year! If Cook’s sales are crap I’m swearing off the boards just to avoid the pesky little devils.

    As a David Archuleta fan I hope Cook sells buttloads of cds, even more than his debut. I have no ill will towards Cook or his fans. Peace

  • pineappletree

    Nah KLC still wins in the end because she has her own tv show now doesn’t she?

  • Valentin432

    Ramiele and her good buddy the fabulous Danny Noriega who has great youtube videos and has gone blond:)

  • tierbee

    Nadia kicked ass. And was beautiful, too. I really really liked her.

  • Mark

    Nah KLC still wins in the end because she has her own tv show now doesn’t she?

    There’s a point. Still, did she um… wait, I think Ramiele sang the NA at some point at a basketball game in the past? Whatever it was, it was better.

    Nadia kicked ass. And was beautiful, too. I really really liked her.

    Also gets points for being one of the earliest Idol contestants with distinct musical taste.

  • GreenHippo

    Oh, Ramiele. She of the “Every musical performance I’ve ever seen happened on American Idol” fame. She could totally square off against KLC.

    Is KLC- Kristi Lee Cook?
    My first Idols live experience was S7 when they came thru San Diego. (I am a huge David Cook fan – had to go – been going to the live Idol shows ever since). I remember when Ramieles came on almost half the audience went to the bathroom. When KLC sang her patriotic song, everybody stood up. I was “what the hell???”

  • Mark

    Is KLC- Kristi Lee Cook?

    Yes. She of the patriotic pandering fame. (Also! First Idolatry Japanese monster robot.*)

    *(I never have found footage of S6 Idolatry, so that could be wrong, but I don’t think so)

  • tinawina

    This, as following the definite Idol theory that all future progress in the music business can be determined by the position/thickness of one’s hair.

    LMAO! Awesome.

    I have an embarrassingly long list of idol flops that I actually supported on the show, as probably many of you still remember my vigorous defenses of Paige Miles last spring. Along with Paige, there was Christina Christian, Charly Lowry, Lindsey Cardinale, Lisa Tucker, Sabrina Sloan, Kady Malloy, and Casey Carlson.

    I loved Lisa Tucker. And Christina Christian. I wonder what happened to them? Remember all the people lusting after Lisa Tucker’s mom? LMAO!

    Also gets points for being one of the earliest Idol contestants with distinct musical taste.

    She might have been the first (and only?) neo-soul and/or black indie chick Idol has ever seen. She’s was like an early Fefe Dobson. Loved her.

  • Mark

    She might have been the first (and only?) neo-soul and/or black indie chick Idol has ever seen. She’s was like an early Fefe Dobson. Loved her.

    Indeed. A buried gem in Idol history.

  • abbysee

    I was a Trenyce fan.

    Now ya talkin’.

  • Valentin432

    I never have found footage of S6 Idolatry, so that could be wrong, but I don’t think so

    Yes that’s one of my big disapoitment, they didn’t keep the episodes of season 6, I only saw Jordin’s interview but even that they deleted.
    Jason Averett (producer) and Slezak definetly have a type, they liked Gina, Carly, Allison and Crystal/Siobhan.

    During the EW podcast they said that Jason also was leaving EW, so maybee it means he went with Slezak and we’ll get some new episodes for season 10 (crossing fingers for some Kristen Baldwin too)

  • BootStar

    Nadia Turner. *Sigh* She was so awesome. Probably my all-time favorite female contestant on the show since I only started watching towards the end of S3. LOVED her. Man, she was gorgeous too.

  • Mark

    During the EW podcast they said that Jason also was leaving EW, so maybee it means he went with Slezak and we’ll get some new episodes for season 10 (crossing fingers for some Kristen Baldwin too)

    Oh, I know! Fingers crossed that he went with Slezak and there are some videos that will come during Idol. Because I’d really miss them for S10. Jim’s are good, but they’re not as thorough as Idolatry was.

  • BootStar

    Oh, man, I’m really out of the loop, Slezak left EW?

  • Mark

    Oh, man, I’m really out of the loop, Slezak left EW?

    Yep, just recently. Moved over to another website (think it’s TVLine.com or something? Can’t recall). Will still be covering Idol.

  • tierbee

    Ooh, BootStar, thanks for the Nadia video. Love, love her.

  • gangreen29

    This trip down memory lane has me watching a bunch of old videos on youtube. I can’t beleive I forgot how ridic Ryan looked in the early seasons. Also, I just watched Carmen Rasmusen singing Turn the Beat Around and I can’t stop laughing. She is wearing gold lamé pants!

  • GreenHippo

    She is wearing gold lamé pants

    OMG I remember those pants. Fun times :)

  • Montavilla
    Is KLC- Kristi Lee Cook?

    Yes. She of the patriotic pandering fame. (Also! First Idolatry Japanese monster robot.*)

    Do not take the name of Kristi Lee Cook in vain! Kat McPhee might be sacrificing goats to further her career, but Kristi sacrificed an entire horse! The wins of Kris, Lee, and David Cook ensure that her influence extends over three seasons! And, if as predicted, the winner of Season 10 is someone named Ti, her triumph will be complete!

  • Mark

    This trip down memory lane has me watching a bunch of old videos on youtube. I can’t beleive I forgot how ridciouls Ryan looked in the early seasons. Also, I just watched Carmen Rasmusen singing Turn the Beat Around and I can’t stop laughing. She is wearing gold lamé pants!

    Oh, yeah, this one! Another one that I thought hilarious was this. The attitude was so wrong. Not quite Kevin Covias ridiculousness, but still.

  • Tess

    Wasn’t Nadia the wearer of the first “mohawk” updo? Her’s put Sanjaya’s to shame.

    http://www.womansday.com/Articles/Beauty/A-Look-Back-at-American-Idol-Hair.html

  • tinawina

    Also, I just watched Carmen Rasmusen singing Turn the Beat Around and I can’t stop laughing. She is wearing gold lamé pants!

    Oh my god. I remember that! I don’t even have to see it to laugh!

    Ooh, BootStar, thanks for the Nadia video. Love, love her.

    We should invite her to our bunker :D

    Do not take the name of Kristi Lee Cook in vain! Kat McPhee might be sacrificing goats to further her career, but Kristi sacrificed an entire horse! The wins of Kris, Lee, and David Cook ensure that her influence extends over three seasons! And, if as predicted, the winner of Season 10 is someone named Ti, her triumph will be complete!

    LMBAO!

    Wasn’t Nadia the wearer of the first “mohawk” updo? Her’s put Sanjaya’s to shame.

    Truth. Turner Fro-Hawk Rules.

  • GreenHippo

    what season was Nadia from? i don’t remember her at all :(

  • Mark

    Wasn’t Nadia the wearer of the first “mohawk” updo? Her’s put Sanjaya’s to shame.

    Yeah. Actually, it happened first for what I consider a really underrated performance. (Artistry Idol before Artistry Idol existed!)

    Do not take the name of Kristi Lee Cook in vain! Kat McPhee might be sacrificing goats to further her career, but Kristi sacrificed an entire horse! The wins of Kris, Lee, and David Cook ensure that her influence extends over three seasons! And, if as predicted, the winner of Season 10 is someone named Ti, her triumph will be complete!

    And possibly repressed her soul in the process, considering it keeps trying to come through her eyes.

    what season was Nadia from? i don’t remember her at all :(

    S4. She got booted somewhere in the middle. (8th?)

    (BTW, thank you all for entertaining me during a day of rest due to injury.)

  • HappyDaisy

    It is possible to be both a David A. fan AND a David C. fan. Don’t know how many of us exist, but we are out there.

    Peace on Earth, Goodwill to All. :)

  • BootStar

    So Michael Slezak will be working for Michael Ausiello at TVLine? (Who’s all of what, 30?) And Matt Mitovich of TV Guide is going there too?

    Entertainment Weekly’s Michael Slezak Joins Michael Ausiello at TVLine.com

    I don’t think this bodes well for future seasons of “Idolatry.” :-(

    ETA: Ausiello is actualy 38! Who knew!! ;-)

  • Mark

    So Michael Slezak will be working for Michael Ausiello at TVLine? (Who’s all of what, 30?) And Matt Mitovich of TV Guide is going there too?

    Entertainment Weekly’s Michael Slezak Joins Michael Ausiello at TVLine.com

    I don’t think this bodes well for future seasons of “Idolatry.” :-(

    The only thought is that Jason Averett also is leaving EW, though no one knows exactly to where (as far as I know?). It’s kind of a little dream that he might rejoin with Michael at the new website and work from there. But, still, not looking great.

  • sr4mjc

    Why would Cook fans hide when the album drops? I’m excited, it’s been sooo long. Beats no album coming out! Although I’d like to know what the hold up is. Any more time and I’m picturing Hanson type phone calls going on.. ‘No, go write more. We kinda like it, but write more and get back to us..’ Lather Rinse Repeat.

    ETA: It’s kinda like waiting to give birth. It’s going to happen eventually, just get it over with. ;)

  • unidentified

    I think, if I was Idol management I would put each seasons winner and second place finishers CD out the same day. For every year they put out a new CD too.

    The fan wars create buzz, and each artists fans wants their Idol to be the number one seller. So they buy more to beat the other guy/girl = more CD sales.

  • GreenHippo

    It is possible to be both a David A. fan AND a David C. fan. Don’t know how many of us exist, but we are out there.

    Yes it is!! I am one. I also am an Adam fan. They all live happily in hamony on my iPod. recently I add Crystal Bowersox too. My iPod is still at peace :)

  • car

    Thankfully they are on different labels and idol could not do that. I am looking forward to each of them creating their own publicity. They will rise or fall on what they create and what publicity they or their teams/label can generate.

  • tierbee

    I’m going to blow your minds here – on my iPod? I have Bo AND Carrie. *And* Archie and Cook. And Kris and Adam! Annnnnd Crystal and Lee. All is peaceful on the iPod. Oh!! AND Committed and Street Corner Symphony. Boo YEAH!

    Y’all have cracked me up so many times tonight – thank you :)

  • steph6449

    I’m going to blow your minds here – on my iPod? I have Bo AND Carrie. *And* Archie and Cook. And Kris and Adam! Annnnnd Crystal and Lee. All is peaceful on the iPod. Oh!! AND Committed and Street Corner Symphony. Boo YEAH!

    Aww. I have Adam and Danny, lol. And also David C. and (recently) David A., haha. And yeah, very harmonious nonetheless on the iPod…

  • tinawina

    Why would Cook fans hide when the album drops?

    LOL. I can’t speak for anyone else but I am totally talking smack. I will be here. I’ll still pout if he tanks though, for about 3-4… hours. If he doesn’t I’ll gloat for 3-4… months. :D

    Y’all have cracked me up so many times tonight – thank you :)

    What she said. :D Tonight was fun, brought back some of my favorite memories of watching and posting about my favorite cheezetastic trainwreck-laden-with-a-few-gems-tossed-in TV show. I love that I get to laugh about it onscreen and off. Thanks mj for giving us a place to be silly!

  • Indigobunting

    And possibly repressed her soul in the process, considering it keeps trying to come through her eyes.

    OMG, those eyes are freaky! And it reminded me what a mediocre singer she was, although maybe she’s better now. It’s a good thing she is gorgeous.

    Not very many Idols on my Ipod, actually, mostly bought their albums.
    Not too much fighting amongst those on my IPOD though:

    Seasons past- only a little Carrie and lots of Cook.
    S8-have the most- Tons of Danny, some Kris, and one Adam, one Matt
    S9- Only Casey, until I just added Crystal

  • cookcricket

    Well, I’m a little late here. It looks like some memory lane stuff was going on. I’m cleaning off some bookshelves and came across the winning picture and article from S7 from my local paper.

    The ironic thing is, is that in the side column was a blip from TMZ that Steven Tyler had gone into rehab. Eep!

    I’m pulling for you during S10 ST!!

  • wordnerdarchie

    HappyDaisy & GreenHippo, there are probably a lot more Cook/Archie fans than people realize. Some are more obvious about it than others. ;)

  • iluvai

    A

    ww. I have Adam and Danny, lol. And also David C. and (recently) David A., haha. And yeah, very harmonious nonetheless on the iPod…

    It’s nice to be well rounded! :) I’m with you on that! :)

  • Studio57

    Okay sorry if this has been discussed already, but come on people! If you are an idol fan, a REAL idol fan, you will never, ever forget the unforgettable performance of one Camille Velasco singing Yellow Brick Road. Enjoy!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP_233A-ykw&feature=related

  • smeggingnuts

    Well I have Adam (shocker), Blake and Allison

  • abbysee

    Well, late to this game but I’ve gotta play. I have Kelly, Justin, Tamyra, Ruben, Fantasia, Taylor, Archie, Jordin, Blake, Melinda, Bo, Anoop, Kris, Allison, Carly, Michael, Adam, Kelly, Josiah, and now Crystal.

  • goboywonder

    And I have David A, Elliot, Kelly, Jordin, Ruben, Fantasia, Taylor, Danny, Kris, Lee, Brandon, and Chris R. Still waiting for Chikezie and way past due getting Melinda.

  • fadetowhite

    Tinawina – loved your pre-emptive Cook excuses from last night :lol

    And yes – I think we were all having a bit of fun and poking a stick at ourselves for our own fannish tendencies.

    But I have no doubt we’ll all be here, angsting to our full capacities.

    Actually, that conversation last night was quite an amusing illustration of the conversation with Tess earlier.

    It is not possible for someone who is a fan of one person (in this case Cook) to mention another (in this case Archie) without someone else assuming there is a negative connotation – and this is when the context is long, long past…human discourse indeed.

    But at least we’re now all wishing everyone well and singing in harmony…

    Loved the delve into terrible contestants from the past too. That has to be why AI has lasted as long as it has – the food it provides for group discussion and (now) nostalgia: it’s a strong selling point.

  • renataamelo

    I have Adam, Cookie and Kris!

  • LCT

    As an Archie fan myself I cannot wait for Cookie’s album! David loves his Cookie and we do too! Best of luck to Cook!

  • karenc

    I have Cookie, Adam, Kris, Lee, Carly, Michael J, Daughtry, and Casey. And more David Cook. And they all coexist on my ipod:)

    So, I guess the next person I will like will be Ti :) I’ll watch for him or her in auditions.

    Seriously, though, I think the thing with fanwars is to realize that everyone has their favorites. And that my favorite isn’t necessarily someone elses favorite. It really comes down to people liking different kinds of music, and that’s why there are so many different kinds.

  • wordnerdarchie

    I’ve cherry-picked a song here or there from some idols, but the ones that I’ve invested in the complete albums are: Allison, Iraheta, Anoop Desai, Bo Bice, Carrie Underwood, Daughtry, David Archuleta, David Cook, Jason Castro, Kris Allen, Michael Sarver and We Are the Fallen (Carly Smithson).

    I do have random singles from: Adam Lambert, Alex Lambert, Brooke White, Casey James, Clay Aiken, Crystal Bowersox, Kelly Clarkson, Katelyn Epperly, Kristy Lee Cook, Lee Dewyze, Michael Johns, Siobhan Magnus and Tim Urban.

    If I really like the artist for their style of music and persona (it’s a package deal), I’ll buy the whole album. However, if I’m not totally into their style and/or haven’t connected with them personally but am impressed by a track or two, I’ll buy just the songs that appeal to me. I’m sure there are lots of people out there that do the same as I do.

  • tierbee

    Oh, man, it would take me a long time to list all the Idols on my iPod. I like so much of their music :) Melinda and Elliott are two of my favorites, have some Michael Johns, Brooke, Carly… well, it goes on and on. I love voices. Idol has brought me some really, really terrific voices!

  • Mieps

    Thank you Allison, Happy New Year to you too!

    I have everything of Adam, album and some Idol performances of both Kris and Allison, bought Permanent by Cook because it touched me tremendously, still does and it is one of my most played songs. This year I got Painted Black, Siobhan, and Me and Bobby McGee, Crystal.

    Merry Christmas everyone and I wish the best for 2011, for you, your family and your idols!

  • karenc

    Just wanted to say, about the Season 8 fanwars still going on, I think the reason they are still going on is not just because of Adam fans still being upset that he lost, but also more recently from fans of other idols even from other seasons because of a perception that he is getting more from RCA than others got for their first cd. And I understand there may be some truth to this but also think there may be other reasons for the differences in promotion of certain artists.

    Anyway, I think the difference is that a contestant is being compared to a contestant from other seasons, so that is why it continues where other fanwars have not.