Idol Headlines for 04/29/10 – The Evening Edition

Spring fever fails to catch on as ‘Idol’ slides to worst numbers since ’03

Tuesday’s edition, devoted to the music of Shania Twain, drew a total of 19.4 million total viewers, the smallest audience for a performance show since March 2003, according to the Nielsen Co. Some of that relatively lackluster performance could be due to the fact that Twain is a country performer — or at least that’s how she was marketed — who hasn’t released an album of new material in almost eight years. So, is she as “relevant,” to use a favorite Simon Cowell term, as, say, Usher, another Season 9 mentor who just happened to drop a new R&B disc? No, probably not.

But as the finale approaches, the typical late-season “Idol” bounce has yet to kick in. And unless something dramatic happens, it may not.

LA Times

David Cook Returns to Join Thousands at the Race for Hope This Sunday

American Idol winner David Cook is lacing up for a very personal cause on Sunday, May 2 as he joins walkers, runners, activists and survivors at the 13th Annual Race for Hope – DC, presented by Cassidy Turley (www.curebraintumors.org).

David has spoken on numerous occasions about his brother, Adam, who lost his valiant battle with brain cancer last year. This year, David returns to the Race for Hope – DC to remember his brother and send a message of hope and resilience to the families of 600,000 people living with a primary brain tumor diagnosis in the United States.

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Taylor Hanson offers encouragement to Siobhan Magnus — and a guest spot at NYC show!

It’s barely been 12 hours since her elimination, but Siobhan Magnus is already getting offers from her own idols! Taylor Hanson, one-third of the band Hanson (above), whom Siobhan cites as one of her all-time favorites — she has a lyric from Hanson’s “The Great Divide” tattooed on her left wrist — says he and his brothers Zac and Isaac would gladly welcome Siobhan to their stage. Like, tomorrow.

“We have two more nights of shows in New York,” he tells Siobhan via Idol Tracker. “It may be across the country, but there is a guest spot onstage for you if you want to get on a plane.” (Tonight they perform their 2007 album, “The Walk,” at the Gramercy Theatre; on Friday, they return with songs from their new album, “Shout It Out.”)

LA Times

Siobhan Magnus: The ‘American Idol’ castoff defends theme nights and her fashion choices

Butterflies everywhere hoping to one day accessorize the arms of Siobhan Magnus on American Idol were weeping tears of disappointment last night when the fashion-eccentric singer was shown the exit last night, leaving five contestants to battle for Idol glory. (Full recap here.) But the 20-year-old isn’t crying. In fact, the finalist spoke with the same positivity that helped her deal with vocal and fashion critiques alike, even when talking about Simon Cowell’s critiques and those pesky theme nights.

Entertainment Weekly

Siobhan Magnus’ Elimination Surprises ‘American Idol’ Experts

MJ Santilli of MJsBigBlog.com predicted a while ago that Magnus might be booted early because of her erratic singing, often defensive post-performance ramblings and amorphous artistic identity. But MJ, too, was unprepared for the elimination this week.

“Even though she was one of the weakest performers on Tuesday, there were contestants who were either weaker performers and/or less compelling personalities,” she said. “Aaron Kelly has been mediocre during his entire run on ‘Idol.’ He’s got a decent voice, but his song choices and performing skills have been awful. … But his mommy-centric version of ‘It’s in the Way You Love Me’ had moms and grannies lunging for their phones, I suspect.”

MTV

Ann Powers: Siobhan should have let us ‘know her crazy’

My friend Christina has a theory about what makes intimacy work. When you get to know someone, at first you just see the surface: good manners and wit and the flush of shared interests. For a friendship to stick, though, you have to feel confident enough to share your idiosyncrasies. My friends love me even though my disorganized mind means I’ll always leave my cellphone in the bar, and despite the fact that I have such a need to be needed that I take on way too much, resulting in many scenes of me running around like a beheaded barnyard chicken.

LA Times

Norman Sings a Song for Siobhan!

Wendy Williams

Why A Girl May Never Win ‘American Idol’ Again

Season 9 on “American Idol” was supposed to be a girls’ season. Randy Jackson, Kara DioGuardi, and even Simon Cowell all authoritatively decreed it so. Promising quirky-girl contestants like Lilly Scott, Katelyn Epperley, Janell Wheeler, Lacey Brown, and Didi Benami were all hyped early on as ones to watch and ones to beat. At one point, a Crystal Bowersox/Siobhan Magnus final showdown seemed quite likely. But sadly, “AI9″ hasn’t quite panned out in the females’ favor. Most of the aforementioned girls all left the competition shockingly prematurely, and with the elimination this week of onetime frontrunner Siobhan–one of this season’s most interesting, unique, and talented contestants–only one female, Crystal, remains in the competition. And despite her popularity, I wouldn’t be so sure that Crystal is actually going to win this season, or even make it to the finale. Season 9 just might shape up to be another boys’ club, after all.

Yahoo Music

‘American Idol’ Fans Split On Siobhan Magnus Elimination

Randy Jackson loved her “punk-country” look and Kara DioGuardi declared, “Guess who’s back? Siobhan!” But this week, “American Idol” voters seemed to side with Simon Cowell when he said of Siobhan Magnus’ performance, “I think the screaming at the end may have gone a little bit — it was almost like you were giving birth up there.”

And so the 20-year-old Cape Cod, Massachusetts, resident is the latest “Idol” hopeful to get the boot — to the surprise of “Idol” experts MTV News spoke with on Thursday (April 29). As expected, fans are split on the decision, with some arguing it was Siobhan’s time to go and others declaring the elimination to be a disgrace.

MTV

Adam Lambert Touches Down at Tegel

Pushing forth with a strenuous overseas travel schedule, Adam Lambert was spotted arriving at Tegel Airport in Berlin, Germany on Thursday (April 29).

The “Strut” singer slowly exited the terminal, making time for fans along the way as he readied to promote his debut album, “For Your Entertainment”.

Celebrity-gossip

Chris Daughtry tour rocks Glendale

It was a night of slick, mid-tempo rock, guitar theatrics, lasers and dramatic set changes, topped by Daughtry’s smooth vocals. It may have been a performance of predicable radio-rock songs, but it delivered exactly what the crowd was looking for.

The arena was bustling with energy as St. Louis rockers Cavo delivered a solid set, playing songs off their 2009 album, “Bright Nights Dark Days.”

AZCentral

We Are The Fallen is NOT Evanescence

Ben Moody’s new band, We Are The Fallen, boasts a big-voiced female singer, sweeping choruses and lush rock orchestras. Love is a deep, dramatic ocean in every song.

“But this is not,” Moody insists, “Evanescence 2.0.”

“We never intended to give that impression. But it’s the entire lineup, minus the singer. It’s obvious that there are going to be a (expletive) ton of comparisons,” he says.

“We would be naive to think that we would escape that. I just came into this world with something to do. And this is it.”

Chron.com

Idol Rewind – The Final Countdown Begins

As the nation prepares to crown the newest American Idol, tune in to AMERICAN IDOL REWIND to relive what has been called one of the most thrilling races of the competition, when Chris Daughtry, Elliott Yamin, Katharine McPhee, and Taylor Hicks were all in the running to take home the big prize on the fifth season of Idol.

Every Saturday this May, AMERICAN IDOL REWIND will premiere an all-new episode featuring exclusive interviews with the Season 5 top four, as well as never-before-seen footage from one of the most extraordinary years in Idol history. Relive the rise of a rock star, the beginning of the “Soul Patrol” and the birth of “McPheever”!

American Idol

Eliminated American Idol Tim Urban Performs Acoustic on Fox Dallas

Exclusive Interview: Alex Lambert – The Second Chance Idol

I was a little nervous about interviewing Alex Lambert, who is known for lacking confidence and being a little shy. To my surprise, Lambert was a fantastic interview. He was relaxed, cool, and most of all, honest. I found him refreshing and immediately knew why his fans are so passionate to see him succeed. In a lot of ways, Lambert reminds me of a younger Kris Allen. Allen and Lambert both possess a chill vibe that is embodied with thankfulness.

Does Lambert have a long way to go? Yes, but that’s the fun of it. If we didn’t have the journey, we wouldn’t have growth. Lambert is building a solid personal and professional foundation and we are lucky because we get to witness it and cheer him on. I hope you enjoy my interview of one young man’s amazing second chance. Just let me know when I can pre-order his album!

AI Now

Sylvester Stallone and Paula Abdul talk films, projects over dinner

Sly served as star, director and screenwriter of The Expendables. Robert Earl is co-producer, but no word yet on any premiere in Las Vegas. Robert gave Paula a guided tour of Planet Hollywood before the intimate dinner party.

She told me that she’s very busy not only with new TV projects in L.A. but also live show ideas for Las Vegas.

“I’m in a very good place,” she confided. “ I think within two weeks, we will have decided which of the TV offers to proceed with. Then I still want to do something here in Vegas, and we’re getting closer with that, too. I love Las Vegas — its energy and excitement. I know I’ve got to wind up doing something here, and I will.”

Las Vegas Sun

Chris Colfer’s Lady Gaga Gaffe

Actor Chris Colfer became an overnight star, thanks to his hit show, “Glee.” Today he told Ellen how it’s changed his life and then shared how he embarrassed himself in front of Lady Gaga.

Ellen Degeneres

Lea Michele: Molly Shannon Has A Drinking And Drug Problem… On Glee

Here’s what the 23-year-old actress shared with JustJared.com eclusively about the tour: “I know that we’re doing about 16 songs, mostly from the first 13 episodes. [Although] one of them, I know, is ‘Like A Prayer.’ From what I’ve picked up, it’ll be set up as if we were in our school. We do a bunch of group numbers, we’ll do a couple solos – I also think we’re going to have Vocal Adrenaline do some numbers as well, which will be awesome ’cause they’re so great. [Creator Ryan Murphy] keeps changing the set list every day, but there’s going to be some really cool stuff. I hear pyrotechnics!”

Just Jared

Glee’s Cory Monteith: Let the Romance Rumors Begin!

Cory Monteith is spending a chunk of his summer vacation in Europe with Selena Gomez, Leighton Meester and Katie Cassidy.

Not too shabby, right?

Monteith and the trio will be across the Atlantic shooting the adventure comedy Monte Carlo, with the Glee star playing Cassidy’s boyfriend. So, any lip-locking between Mr. Monteith and the Melrose Place bombshell?

“I cannot confirm or deny,” a tight-lipped Monteith told us at the recent Academy of Television Arts & Sciences’ Glee panel. “I’m not going to ruin anything. I’ve got to keep you guessing.”

EOnline

  • girlygirl

    GinaOrr, Kris and Allison’s publicist had to tweet this after the JiveMusic tweet leaving Kris out…

    GinaOrr

    @mylifeback @Krisallen is on Oprah tomorrow. Nothing has changed.
    3 minutes ago via web in reply to mylifeback

  • 123abc456

    I hope Kris and Allison are both on the show.

    The Race For Hope is this Sunday and David Cook’s team has so far raised $124,554.50. David is the honorary chairman. When a fan asked David what we could do to support him, he said donate to this cause. Thanks for putting up on the thread MJ.

  • anovich

    sorry – will repost my comment

  • anovich

    Interesting article that mentions Kris as a songwriter on this album

    http://www.i-newswire.com/gulf-oil-spill-garners-rock-star/34307

  • karenc

    I don’t believe that the mentor not having a recent album has anything to do with the ratings of AI. Other seasons have had mentors that hadn’t had a hit record in 20 years or more and it didn’t affect the ratings of the show. I don’t believe the rating dropped when they had Dolly Parton or Neil Diamond on in Season 7, at least not to that extent. It has way more to do with the popularity of the contestants than the mentors.

  • girlygirl

    anovich

    The song on that album is simply LLWD

  • girlygirl

    partial video of Kris & Cale doing acoustic version of TT at radio station this morning. The dj loved it…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsooLIvBp6I&

  • anovich

    The song on that album is simply LLWD

    The article actually says that the album features songs written by John Mayer, Colbie Callait and Kris Allen – not sure why that would to the idea that the song is LLWD

  • kino

    I am not watching American Idol anymore because they treat Kris Allen like crap. And I will never watch X-Factor, because I dislike Simon Cowell a lot. I am sure a lot of people feel this way. So there.

  • anovich

    kino:
    04/29/2010 at 9:21 pm
    I am not watching American Idol anymore because they treat Kris Allen like crap. And I will never watch X-Factor, because I dislike Simon Cowell a lot. I am sure a lot of people feel this way. So there.

    You’re my hero – I have no interest in X-factor and the only reason I’m watching idol at this point is because I like Lee and Aaron. But at least I’m not invested in them to the extent I was in Kris last year

  • smeggingnuts

    Some of that relatively lackluster performance could be due to the fact that Twain is a country performer — or at least that’s how she was marketed — who hasn’t released an album of new material in almost eight years

    Can I just LOL at it being Shania’s fault rating suck, hahahahaha

    And re: We are the Fallen
    If you don’t want Evanesence compairasons maybe you shouldn’t have picked a lead singer who sounds alot like your old singer and then kept the same sound. You just gonna have to deal with people seeing you as Evanesence 2.0..sorry buddy

  • smeggingnuts

    Woot IIHY playing on AOL Radio’s New Pop First station yippie

  • windmills

    Can I just LOL at it being Shania’s fault rating suck, hahahahaha

    It’s even funnier because the episode where Shania was a guest judge for the auditions had a big ratings increase from the previous audition episode IIRC.

  • smeggingnuts

    windmills:
    04/29/2010 at 9:47 pm
    Can I just LOL at it being Shania’s fault rating suck, hahahahaha

    It’s even funnier because the episode where Shania was a guest judge for the auditions had a big ratings increase from the previous audition episode IIRC.

    hahahahahahahaha it will be interesting to see what the ratings are next week Wed should be better since they are going to air Gaga’s performance. Sounds like she went all out

  • girlygirl

    anovich

    All I know is someone on twitter looked that album up on iTunes and the Kris song that is on the album is LLWD.

  • Hope07

    Can I just LOL at it being Shania’s fault rating suck, hahahahaha

    I couldn’t believe when I saw that was writtn by a man, lol.

    They should have advertised her mentoring on some sports channels, since I know a lot of guys who’d have tuned to see her. I thought she was a very good mentor, and probably if they had advertised more, she might have even been a ratings draw.

  • iluvai

    I thought Ann Powers’ article was spot on.

    Did anyone consider that the decrease in viewership had to do with Tim Urban being gone and not Shania as mentor???? Just a thought. I have a teen who hates Idol this year because Tim is gone and now Siobhan.

    My 9 year old and I are still rooting for Aaron. (MJ— I think you are mostly spot on too, but I hate to admit it. The mom in me finds Aaron adorable–but I also like his voice. I also think there are younger people out there that like Aaron.)

  • iluvai

    I’ve been gone most of the day. Are you guys saying Kris will be on Oprah?? That’s great!

  • PattyP

    My personal theory as to why Idol ratings aren’t as good as they once were is this:

    1. Age of the show … people are getting tired of Idol and its repetitive jokes (Ryan/Simon) and criticims (pitchy Dawg, not relevant, wedding singer/karaoke, etc.)

    2. Idol diehard fans are getting tired of the way the show tends to treat some of its winners (see Taylor Hicks, for example). If you set the show up to be won a certain way, then you should stand by the winner who comes out of that process.

    3. Sites like this one offer the videos of performances almost immediately after the show has aired, making it possible to only watch the ones you’re interested in and ignore the judges entirely by stopping the video after the performance. Using a site like this to see what you want is convenient and lets people keep up with the bits they like without actually contributing to the ratings of the program (and without putting up with all the nonsense and filler). Which is also part of the problem — the show’s pacing with 4 judges is out of control at times.

    4. This season’s crop of contestants just doesn’t have that POP that past seasons have had. There’s no Fantasia, no Taylor Hicks, no Adam Lambert … None of these performers have actually PERFORMED well enough to captivate people.

  • http://crystalfans.com/ Zsus

    Poor Idol. Only a meager 20,000 viewers. Someone call for a priest!

  • iluvai

    Patty P:

    I think casual Idol fans may be getting burnt out on the same old, same old. The last two years, I’m pretty much the only one in my circle of family/friends that still watches Idol. They thought I was insane for my Cook love and positively over the deep end about Adam.

    I guess that’s their loss! LOL. :)

  • SpenserJ

    1. Age of the show … people are getting tired of Idol and its repetitive jokes (Ryan/Simon) and criticims (pitchy Dawg, not relevant, wedding singer/karaoke, etc.)

    That’s pretty much it, I think. AI stayed the number 1 show for a very long time. Nothing can stay on top forever. People get bored of watching the same show year after year. And, AI requires a 2 night commitment. Quite honestly, I’m surprised that Americans in general have had that much stamina to keep it so high for so long.

    But, the fact that it only has 20M viewers instead of 30M is probably not a big hit to its ad revenue. It’s still one of the most watched shows on television, so it’s still bringing in a ton of cash. The suits will milk that until it falls out of the Top 10. Look at Survivor for instance, a show that has stayed on for years after it lost the top spot. They’re not cancelling AI anytime soon.

  • wellhesback

    PattyP, you summed it up: “None of these performers have actually PERFORMED well enough to captivate people”

    Oh and thanks for the Race For Hope mention, MJ. So proud of David Cook for sticking with this great cause. I lost my father to a brain tumor, and I’m going to donate what I can. You can donate too http://www.abc2.org
    http://bit.ly/4Z7mIK

  • Lys

    I’m loving how all these latest headline threads have at least one random Tim interview in them. Lol. He sounds really good in that clip. Reminds me of his ‘Can’t Help Falling In Love’ performance. Kid still needs a haircut, though.

  • Mtlfan

    And re: We are the Fallen
    If you don’t want Evanesence compairasons maybe you shouldn’t have picked a lead singer who sounds alot like your old singer and then kept the same sound. You just gonna have to deal with people seeing you as Evanesence 2.0..sorry buddy

    yes, i don’t understand why they didn’t deep the Evanescence name. It’s pretty and already a selling name! There are other bands in the past who kept their names but changed the lead singer

  • Mtlfan

    girlygirl:
    04/29/2010 at 9:09 pm
    partial video of Kris & Cale doing acoustic version of TT at radio station this morning. The dj loved it…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsooLIvBp6I&

    thanks. sounds gorgeous on this :D

  • connie0128

    We Are the Fallen didn’t keep the Evanescence name because Amy Lee (Evanescence lead singer) kept it and replaced the band members who left. Evanescence will have a new album out later this summer.

  • revcat

    I don’t believe the rating dropped when they had Dolly Parton or Neil Diamond on in Season 7, at least not to that extent. It has way more to do with the popularity of the contestants than the mentors..

    Excellent point! I agree. Could add more to the list, the guy from Queen? I’m sure there are more.

  • carolinacharms

    So much for the star power of these singer=songwriter=artists.

  • revcat

    Only a meager 20,000 viewers

    You dropped some zeroes, should be 20,000,000, but your point is clear. It’s not exactly chump change!

    I’m bored with Idol and a little embarrassed to admit I even watch it. I do, but half heartedly. I have DVR and zip through most of the results night; in fact I live out west and go online to find out who left before the show even airs out here. I used to avoid that like the plague as I wanted the suspense and surprise.

    I no longer care much about the outcome because history has proven that winning is somewhat irrelevant. Getting into the Top 10 is the main thing, so basically most of the excitement for the season is already over. Maybe, just maybe, that is partly the reason for some slippage in ratings as I’m sure I’m not alone. It’s just not as exciting if you no longer believe winning is a big deal.

    I do like the mentors, however. They are always interesting as they bring a fresh viewpoint, judges not so much. They tend to rehash the same remarks over and over as it’s pretty hard to be fresh week after week. Frankly, I really don’t care what the judges think and often zip through their comments. If I like a singer my opinion is just as good as theirs simply because I am a potential customer.

  • Mary102

    I am definitely of the opinion that it’s the contestants that are (inadvertently) affecting the ratings this year. They’re boring, there are no standout performances, no surprises, no one who’s really polarizing as in year’s passed. No real wow moments all season and we’re at top 5 already. That’s pretty depressing, and pretty much unprecedented in the 9 seasons of AI.

    I no longer care much about the outcome because history has proven that winning is somewhat irrelevant. Getting into the Top 10 is the main thing, so basically most of the excitement for the season is already over. Maybe, just maybe, that is partly the reason for some slippage in ratings.

    This too. I was just talking about this with my family, re the save and how stupid it is. Chris and J.Hud didn’t have a save, but because they had the exposure and were talented enough, they made great careers out of it. Big Mike, or any of them, being saved would not guarantee them a record contract. As long as your talented, and catch the interest of the right people, it doesn’t matter if you win or lose. Or place 3 or 5 or 7th.

  • girlygirl

    HAC station in SF played The Truth again tonight…

  • jpfan

    Even though I snark on him, Adam’s def talented but the video of the Most Beautiful People shoot he did is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen in my life.

    It’s truly insane.

    http://www.people.com/people/package/video/0,,20360857_20364282,00.html

  • smeggingnuts

    The feathers, the birds, the nutty poses. It’s truly insane.

    Its all very high fashiony type of stuff. Weird clothes, contorted body poses and add animals you get high fashion…not sure I get it but he does it well..haha

  • BeckyMD

    Even though I snark on him, Adam’s def talented but the video of the Most Beautiful People shoot he did is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen in my life.

    It’s truly insane.

    lol Adam seems to like to do these things every so often

  • wellhesback

    I have never been attracted to the glam. that photo of Adam from People just makes me laugh. It’s so ridiculously awful to me. beautiful is in the eye of the beholder, but to me – no

  • Mtlfan

    The feathers, the birds, the nutty poses. It’s truly insane.

    hahaha .. thanks for the laugh!!! It’s a style and Adam is so into it.. it’s clearly his cuppa!
    It made me think of ANTM!

  • karenc

    4. This season’s crop of contestants just doesn’t have that POP that past seasons have had. There’s no Fantasia, no Taylor Hicks, no Adam Lambert … None of these performers have actually PERFORMED well enough to captivate people.

    I think this is the biggest problem. There is no real star quality. For me, there hasn’t been any real standout performances. I can barely remember what they’ve sung week to week, and it all blends together. But I can remember some performances from past years that really still stand out to me.

  • girlygirl

    YT of Heartless/GP mashup from Kris’s private concert at some Colorado HS today

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exSP326vgFE&feature=youtu.be

  • wjmtv

    My heart will be with David this weekend. Bless him. He’s a treasure.

  • smeggingnuts

    Mtlfan:
    04/30/2010 at 12:31 am
    The feathers, the birds, the nutty poses. It’s truly insane.

    hahaha .. thanks for the laugh!!! It’s a style and Adam is so into it.. it’s clearly his cuppa!
    It made me think of ANTM!

    Bring on Benny Ninja!!!!

  • smeggingnuts

    hooplamagnet Z100 is having a contest to win tickets to the Nokia Glam Nation show thru their VIP program http://bit.ly/bGP59N

    If anyone is interested chance to win tickets to adam’s concert at the Nokia

  • Oksana2000

    Oh, I love feathery Adam! I totally get it.
    I wish that People magazine used black feather Adam instead white cockatoo Adam..
    Don’t you love Burger King Adam? I think it was hilarious..never bored with that guy..

  • Judee

    I LOVE the video from the shoot!!!! I love that he can play like this and not be ridiculous (well some will disagree:)).
    Did you see the Christina video btw.? i think has Adam done something like this his career will be over. seriously. he might have been even expelled from the country…

  • Mary102

    Oksana2000:
    04/30/2010 at 1:32 am
    Oh, I love feathery Adam! I totally get it.
    I wish that People magazine used black feather Adam instead white cockatoo Adam..
    Don’t you love Burger King Adam? I think it was hilarious..never bored with that guy..

    Totally. I’m with you :-) The photo in People is gorgeous and creative. And the photoshoot vid was a real tease! I need those extra pics now!!!

  • smeggingnuts

    Judee
    OMG I know I just watched it…can you say soft core porn…wow
    They would never let a gay guy do video like that..no way in hell

  • Oksana2000

    Judee, I just watched Christina video. OMG!
    …I WOULD LOVE if she performed that on live TV!!! What did we miss in that vid? S/M – check, bondage – check, girl on girl action – check, regular sex is not even worth mentioning…
    Now, let’s talk about double standard…

  • Oksana2000

    By the way, I love that Xtina vid..it beats 3 hip-hop guys with pants on the ground and gold teeth screaming to the mike..

  • Mary102

    smeggingnuts - yeah, that’s the number 1 thing that bugs me about the vid. Women can get away with that in music vids. Guys – not so much. Double standard for sure.

  • smeggingnuts

    Oksana2000:
    04/30/2010 at 2:00 am
    Judee, I just watched Christina video. OMG!
    …I WOULD LOVE if she performed that on live TV!!! What did we miss in that vid? S/M – check, bondage – check, girl on girl action – check, regular sex is not even worth mentioning…
    Now, let’s talk about double standard…

    You know she will be doing something similar on tour….oh *sigh* Xtina/Adam tour….I wish

  • BeckyMD

    I WOULD LOVE if she performed that on live TV!!! What did we miss in that vid? S/M – check, bondage – check, girl on girl action – check, regular sex is not even worth mentioning…

    Something to look forward to at AI finale :)

  • smeggingnuts

    WWFM still #11 on Global Tracks Chart
    http://www.mediatraffic.de/tracks.htm

  • Oksana2000

    BeckyMD, Xtina will be at AI finale? God, please, please, pretty please, let Xtina perform this to that family oriented audience!
    On the other hand we would see Xtina head up only. No fun..:((
    Only recently, after watching Adam performing WWL on Idol last year for the 10th time I realised that he was shown waist up most of the time…

  • smeggingnuts

    Only recently, after watching Adam performing WWL on Idol last year for the 10th time I realised that he was shown waist up most of the time…

    hehe they should have just shown a shot of the drummer again when he straddle the mic stand….cuz you could tell what he was doing

  • Judee

    As much as i adore Lady Gaga, Xtina is much better to look at, better dancer and has incredible voice. No matter what she does, she’s still a woman, Gaga is just trying to be a gay man and sometimes desperately. Having said that the video is total rip off and is all over the place, and group sex in a church? …..not necessary

  • agathe.hb

    yeah, he even said that in an interview, that they filmed him from the waist up during WLL, they knew exactly what kind of performer Adam was from the very beginning, ha ha

  • Oksana2000

    smegg, seriously? Did he molest mic stand?? I don’t think so..there was no mic stand porn for the first few concerts on AI tour. If you compare WWL at first and last concert, you can see SIGNIFICANT difference..:))

  • smeggingnuts

    Oksana2000
    are you talking about his Top 4 performance? That is what I am talking about. Right at the end when he sings the long “woman” and they only show him from chest high he gives the mic stand 2 pelvic thrusts.

  • agathe.hb

    Oksana2000, Adam said that to Slezak in his interview – he said that on AI he had done exactly the same “choreography” with mike stand as during the concerts, that’s why they showed him from the waist up….. Our boy just can’t help himself when the mike stand is near, he he he

  • Ratna12

    girlygirl:
    04/30/2010 at 12:43 am
    YT of Heartless/GP mashup from Kris’s private concert at some Colorado HS today

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exSP326vgFE&feature=youtu.be

    Thanks girlygirl. I see that Kris wore a white brief.

    HAC station in SF played The Truth again tonight…

    I like to know if the song got a good response or not.

  • smeggingnuts

    Those poor mic stands used and abused then put in storage…you know they are probably happy that no one this season is going to give them the attention they are used to on tour this year.

  • Oksana2000

    I can imagine poor mic stand standing in some dark storage and thinking..”no letter, no call, not even a tiny text message..I will never trust any man AGAIN..”..)))

  • smeggingnuts

    Oksana2000:
    04/30/2010 at 3:07 am
    I can imagine poor mic stand standing in some dark storage and thinking..”no letter, no call, not even a tiny text message..I will never trust any man AGAIN..”..)))

    bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Oksana2000

    smegg, good night..:)))

  • agathe.hb

    oksana, hahahahhahhaha, that was good :)

  • saga

    Hmm I don’t think Xtinas video is a Gaga knock off… it’s a Madonna tribute/knock off… And Gaga does that too.

  • Ratna12
  • leilamaurizia

    Carrie comes in at #7 on this week’s Billboard Hot Tours chart:

    7 CARRIE UNDERWOOD
    $1,967,545
    April 12-25
    Allen County War Memorial Coliseum, Fort Wayne, Ind. (1/0)
    Dow Event Center Arena, Saginaw, Mich. (1/1)
    Breslin Student Events Center, East Lansing, Mich. (1/0)
    Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, Mich. (1/1)
    Huntington Center, Toledo, Ohio (1/1)
    U.S. Bank Arena, Cincinnati (1/0)
    39,887 (42,277)

    http://www.billboard.com/charts?tag=nav#/news/hot-tours-andr%C3%A9-rieu-george-strait-1004087637.story

  • leilamaurizia

    Since the Adam and Kris tours are about to start, I figure people might be interested in seeing tour figures.

    Artist/Event
    Venue
    City/State
    Dates
    Gross Sales
    Attend/Capacity
    Shows/Sellouts
    Prices
    Promoters

    Kelly Clarkson, Eric Hutchinson, Cassie Davis
    Rod Laver Arena
    Melbourne, Australia
    April 19, 2010
    $446,593
    5,814 / 5,995
    1 / 0
    $76.81
    Chugg Entertainment

    Carrie Underwood, Craig Morgan, Sons of Sylvia
    Van Andel Arena
    Grand Rapids, Mich.
    April 23, 2010
    $436,175
    9,193 / 9,193
    1 / 1
    $55, $35
    AEG Live

    Carrie Underwood, Craig Morgan, Sons of Sylvia
    Huntington Center
    Toledo, Ohio
    April 24, 2010
    $356,970
    7,268 / 7,268
    1 / 1
    $55, $35
    AEG Live

    Carrie Underwood, Craig Morgan, Sons of Sylvia
    U.S. Bank Arena
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    April 25, 2010
    $317,540
    6,398 / 6,831
    1 / 0
    $55, $35
    AEG Live

    Carrie Underwood, Craig Morgan, Sons of Sylvia
    Allen County War Memorial Coliseum
    Fort Wayne, Ind.
    April 12, 2010
    $310,065
    6,239 / 7,391
    1 / 0
    $55, $35
    AEG Live

    Keith Urban, Kris Allen
    The Joint, Hard Rock Hotel
    Las Vegas, Nev.
    April 23, 2010
    $290,700
    2,786 / 3,635
    1 / 0
    $196, $95.50
    AEG Live

    Carrie Underwood, Craig Morgan, Sons of Sylvia
    Breslin Student Events Center
    East Lansing, Mich.
    April 14, 2010
    $283,295
    5,537 / 6,342
    1 / 0
    $55, $35
    AEG Live

    Carrie Underwood, Craig Morgan, Sons of Sylvia
    Dow Event Center Arena
    Saginaw, Mich.
    April 13, 2010
    $263,500
    5,252 / 5,252
    1 / 1
    $55, $35
    AEG Live

    Daughtry, Lifehouse, Cavo
    E Center
    West Valley City, Utah
    April 22, 2010
    $254,329
    6,883 / 6,883
    1 / 1
    $39.50, $29.50
    AEG Live

    Daughtry, Lifehouse, Cavo
    Reno Events Center
    Reno, Nev.
    April 24, 2010
    $225,204
    6,032 / 6,032
    1 / 1
    $39.50, $29.50
    AEG Live

    Daughtry, Lifehouse, Cavo
    Idaho Center
    Nampa, Idaho
    April 23, 2010
    $201,477
    5,266 / 6,374
    1 / 0
    $39.50, $29.50
    AEG Live

    Daughtry, Skillet, Cavo
    Broomfield Event Center
    Broomfield, Colo.
    April 20, 2010
    $142,046
    3,668 / 4,744
    1 / 0
    $39.50, $29.50
    AEG Live

  • saga

    I read on Perez that Kelly is not selling out in Australia… not sure if it is true though.

  • Judee

    Perez is a douchebag. He cares about hits, not delivering viable info.

  • Hazehel

    2. Idol diehard fans are getting tired of the way the show tends to treat some of its winners (see Taylor Hicks, for example). If you set the show up to be won a certain way, then you should stand by the winner who comes out of that process.

    Irrelevant. The start of Season 6 actually had some of the highest ratings ever seen for idol. Most people don’t care about Taylor Hicks – since he couldn’t even sell a million CDs, there can’t be a million people who would care, and in reality only a tiny fraction of that would be concerned about how he was treated.

    4. This season’s crop of contestants just doesn’t have that POP that past seasons have had. There’s no Fantasia, no Taylor Hicks, no Adam Lambert … None of these performers have actually PERFORMED well enough to captivate people.

    Fantasia and Taylor Hicks? The season Fantasia was on is considered by most to be the worst of all seasons (the ratings for its finale dropped 10 million from Season 2 to Season 3). And Taylor Hicks is considered by many (me included) the worst ever winner on AI.

    What we are seeing is just a steady decline. And no, even Adam Lambert couldn’t stop the decline. I find it amusing that those who keep harping on about how this season’s ratings dropped because there is no one like Adam couldn’t be bothered to explain why Season 8 ratings also dropped. The show is just showing its age. The producers need to think of better ideas to make the show more interesting and exciting to viewers, otherwise I see it being supplanted by X-Factor within a few seasons – not because of the ratings (the rating would still be high enough to keep it going even if it continues to decline steadily), but because I think they can’t sustain having two very similar shows like that on the same network.

  • lorismile

    Thoughts:

    1. I don’t think Adam will have anywhere near the same tour figures as listed above since he will be doing smaller venues.
    2. I dont think it’s fair to compare Kris opening act tour stuff to Adam’s headlining act. I’m sure it will happen but I think they are two different things.
    3. We do know that Kelly didn’t sell out the Australia date listed above so Perez is probably telling the truth.
    4. The problem with Idol this year is simple IMO. Adam was on it last year. He broke the show/mold. Oh I know I will get flack for saying it but it’s still my opinion. :-)

  • saga

    Is fox going to be hosting both idol and x-factor?

  • Hazehel

    4. The problem with Idol this year is simple IMO. Adam was on it last year. He broke the show/mold.

    So you are saying Season 8 ratings dropped because Adam was on then?

    Is fox going to be hosting both idol and x-factor?

    Yup, I think so.

  • mmb

    the AI ratings decline is typical of shows late in their run. It wasn’t going to increase its ratings or keep monster ratings forever. Its ratings have been slowly, inexorably dropping over the past 2 seasons from the high of season 5 (or 2 or whatever). I think that the ratings declines in seasons 7 and 8 would have been larger if not for the buzzworthy contestants in those seasons. Cook/Archie et al and Kradison et al could not stave off ratings decreases, but they created enough buzz and interest to allow the show to have a smaller decrease than it might otherwise have had. This season however,with the judging panel a mess, Simon virtually comatose, Ryan running amok and the mostly snoozworthy contestants, none of whome seem to be generating any real excitement (imo crystal seems to be generating respect as the most consistent performer, but not real excitement) the ratings are taking a bigger nosedive that in the past few years.

  • saga

    I really think they need to secure new songs for idol… and new themes. It’s a bit tricky when the audience get to re watch themes done before and have memories of previous contestants doing them.

    Also I think it was a really bad producer idea to go back to a more inexperienced group after s7 and s8. I don’t mind the sing/song-writer thing, or even the indie artist thing, but it seems they avoided the more experienced and stand-out artists in this genre.

    I also think they contrasted badly this year… a lot of similar artists. But that can also be an effect of them being so inexperienced that they themselves don’t understand the importance of contrasting.

  • Judee

    X-factor is so much better show. it’s so much more ‘modern’. i think people will love it. also the contestants are much more successful post-show than idols in recent years, because the show is copying trends in performances, like those big numbers real pop stars are doing on award shows. idol is amateurish crap next to it. Adam would have been perfect for this type of show.
    For example the 2008 season: Alexandra burke (winner) went platinum after few weeks. JLS (runner-up) are triple platinum in UK and expanding all over the world. Diana Vickers (4th place) is releasing album like Adam and her single is currently no.1.
    Simon just understands that you can’t make really good album in 3 months. If your album is good it doesn’t matter it’s not coming out 4/5 months after the competition. Idols are pressured to put out an album under quite extreme circumstances and they have to compete in US market with the biggest acts. And then they’re surprised they don’t match Gaga’s or Beyonce’s sales. It’s just stupid approach. And i really have to say this years idols albums are quite good. David’s albums were bad. like really bad. so was Jordin’s. they really lucked out, they had big fanbases from idol (or big single in Jordin’s case), because Cook’s album is like 3rd rate Nickelback (the only song i liked was Daily anthem, which was apparently already written – surprise).
    I’m really excited when the idols somewhat miraculously make it to the next albums, because they can really show what are their capabilities and limits.

  • koshka

    2. Idol diehard fans are getting tired of the way the show tends to treat some of its winners (see Taylor Hicks, for example). If you set the show up to be won a certain way, then you should stand by the winner who comes out of that process.

    This one I don’t buy. I don’t think everyone is up in arm, only the butt hurt fans from Idol (fill in the past idol name). I don’t think the diehards have much influence on ratings, of course I’m thinking of diehards as those of us online. I’d be more in agreement with the diehards are getting increasingly annoyed with the producer manipulation.

    ETA: after re-reading… I’m getting a different spin on your quote. But I still don’t think TPTB HAVE to get behind full force of whoever wins, because for them it is about making money. I will say that it is a flawed voting system that may not get the most viable artist in the end. I hope they change this with x-factor.

    4. This season’s crop of contestants just doesn’t have that POP that past seasons have had. None of these performers have actually PERFORMED well enough to captivate people.

    I completely agree with this, as I think many will. I believe the key to an interesting season is a good balance, which is why I think last year was so good. The finale has a WGWG vs. POP – everyone could find something they liked all season long.

  • koshka

    Judee –

    sounds like you have knowledge of the show, I have a 2 questions maybe you can answer.

    1)Does the X-factor tour like AI? I think this is where some of the time gets sucked away.

    2) How does it make itself more contemporary?

  • lorismile

    So you are saying Season 8 ratings dropped because Adam was on then?

    Nope. I’m saying Season 9 dropped because Adam wasn’t on. Season 8 would probably have been alot lower if Adam wasn’t on it. Sorry, just my opinion. *shrugs* Basically what mmb said above.

    can’t make really good album in 3 months.

    I beg to differ. I think Adam made a really good album in 3 months. I also think, based on the few songs from Kris album I’ve heard, that his CD is good.

  • Hazehel

    Nope. I’m saying Season 9 dropped because Adam wasn’t on. Season 8 would probably have been alot lower if Adam wasn’t on it.

    And you said that based on what evidence? Ratings dropped 10-15% Season 8 (more than Season 7’s drop which was probably ~10%), at this moment it looks like Season 9 may be dropping perhaps around that number (it could be better or worse depending on if ratings continue to decline, or keep steady or go up).

  • koshka

    Hazehel:

    I think this is why to poster said it was in his/her opinion, you left this out when you quoted him/her. Most of what we post is pretty much based on conjecture.

    ” Oh I know I will get flack for saying it but it’s still my opinion. “

  • http://MJO judes

    saga:
    04/30/2010 at 5:43 am

    I read on Perez that Kelly is not selling out in Australia… not sure if it is true though.

    Well the Melbourne Rod Laver venue is the Tennis centre which seats about 15,000 & the Sydney Concert was the “Dome” at Homebush which seats about 20,000. I can only vouch for the Sydney concert as my daughter went to it – she said they roped off the top section but the remainder was mostly full & the atmosphere was great. Maybe Perez was thinking about the seating for the whole venue which is huge- that’s why they rope off the top section as it is a long way from the concert.From all reports here in Australia her tour did well.

    This is a great review from her last concert here -in Perth
    http://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/kelly-clarkson-perth-concert-review/story-e6frg3ic-1225857485214

  • lorismile

    I WOULD LOVE if she performed that on live TV!!! What did we miss in that vid? S/M – check, bondage – check, girl on girl action – check, regular sex is not even worth mentioning…

    Something to look forward to at AI finale

    OMG…I loved that video! Like a homage to Madonna. Adam and Christina duet now please!!! Oh a video like that with Adam and Christina would be so frigging HOT!!!

    And America freaked about the AMA performance. Wonder if we will even hear a peep about this video? Oh wait, the video isn’t on network TV. Forgot about that argument for a minute.

  • Hazehel

    I think this is why to poster said it was in his/her opinion, you left this out when you quoted him/her. Most of what we post is pretty much based on conjecture.

    Yes, I know that. I can have any opinion I want, I can believe that Kris Allen is the Second Coming, or Adam Lambert is the devil incarnate, or Danny Gokey is the herald of the apocalypse, but if I express them in a public forum, then I can expect those opinions to be challenged. It wouldn’t help at all if I had stated that those were just my opinions (probably worse in fact, because people might think that I actually believe them and not just being silly).

  • lorismile

    Hazehel: I don’t have any evidence, nor did I quote any evidence when stating my opinion. I said it was my opinion the show wasn’t doing as well. Clearly you think I’m wrong, as I’m sure alot of other people do too. I’m sure there are David fans who feel like S8 wasn’t as good in the ratings for the same reason I said S9 wasn’t doing as well in the ratings.

    I can tell you at my office and my real life friends, nobody is interested in it this year, at all. They watch because it’s habit, not like last year where they watched to see what was going to happen next. If you need “facts” for me to use to back up my opinion, then I guess those are them.

  • hicksaholic

    I think Season Five with Taylor as the winner had the highest rating of any season if I am not mistaken. The tour was the most successful also. Taylor coming off AI was argubly the most hyped winner getting a People cover as most eligible bachelor, big Ford commercial. Unfortunately TPTB either didn’t know what to do with him or didn’t want to go to the effort to figure it out so there was not the label support that apparently Daughtry got. Daughtry was the easy one to support as his music fit perfectly in a popular genre. Taylor’s career has suffered accordingly.
    I think after Season Five viewers realized winning wasn’t as important so the zeal to get your contestant the prize declined. Also, it’s only human nature that people move on to newer things after so long.

  • bean99

    Lower tv ratings are to be expected after this many years on tv but other non-reality shows are also experiencing declines. I don’t know why, maybe too many choices. What will be really interesting is when Simon leaves.

    I’m not so sure X Factor will have the same results as the British version. What works in that market may not work here. I’m sure it will get a lot of press and have good ratings but I don’t know if it will be the powerhouse Idol has been.

  • saga

    The tour really do take a lot of time away from making the album but it is also like a local pr tour…

  • girlygirl
  • Starryeyed

    koshka:
    04/30/2010 at 7:12 am

    Judee –

    sounds like you have knowledge of the show, I have a 2 questions maybe you can answer.

    1)Does the X-factor tour like AI? I think this is where some of the time gets sucked away.

    2) How does it make itself more contemporary?

    Delurking to comment on X Factor from a Brit perspective (though I am a pretty passive viewer and don’t follow online like I did for AI8).

    Anyway:
    1) Yes it does tour. Details would be on the X Factor website, and I would imagine it is the spring of the year after the winner is crowned (Xmas time).
    2) I do get the impression that a lot more modern songs are incorporated into the show that on Idol. There are the oldies too on theme nights but generally it’s quite ‘modern’ at least late 90s onwards.

    In terms of Judee’s comment about it being a better show, I have just one disagreement. The thing that has always bugged me about X Factor is the puppeteering by the mentors (especially when Idol viewers complain about Idols being puppetted). I like the fact that the vocal coaches and choreographers work all week with the contestants. And I like that the contestants get one-on-one mentoring all week and build up a good relationship with whichever judge is their mentor. It’s like practice for being managed after the show. However, more often than not it is the mentor choosing the song and they have a lot of say in presentation of the performance too, from what I can gather. We hear stories in the press of disputes as contestants aren’t able to be themselves as much as they’s like. Danyl and Jamie last year come to my mind immediately. It only serves to solidify the image these shows have out in the real world of proliferating manufactured pop schamlz. The one thing I loved about Adam’s journey was the reports we hear from the BTS staff and Adam himself about how much input he had in all aspects of his performance. This is what X Factor needs to incorporate stateside I think if it is to rival Idol, while maintaining the one-on-one mentoring throughout the week.

  • Hazehel

    I don’t have any evidence, nor did I quote any evidence when stating my opinion.

    The thing is that there is evidence, and the evidence doesn’t necessarily showed that people are that interested in Adam. Personal anecdote means nothing, there could be groups of friends or co-workers who are mad about Crystal or Lee, perhaps just not amongst people you know.

    The ratings for previous seasons have been posted before, it showed consistent decline in ratings since Season 5. So far it is hard to say if the decline is especially bad this season (and we can really only tell once the season is over). Once you get past the general decline, then what happens within each season is interesting, it showed what people may be interested in. Here’s my take on the ratings from the Top 12 onwards for the last few seasons for the performance shows –

    In Season 5 the ratings started strongly at over ~33 million, declined, then stayed steady from Top 7 onwards, hovering around 28-29 million mark, and recovered strongly at the end with ~32 million for the last performance show. You may expect people to start losing interest once their favorites got voted off, so staying steady showed that the viewers were interested in what happened to the rest of the constestants, and they were interested as well in the Top 2 finalists.

    In Season 6 the ratings consistently dropped as the season progressed (from ~30 million at Top 12 to 25 million for the last performance show), with only a small upturn at the end, showing that the contestants weren’t of great interest to the viewers, once their favorite got voted off, then perhaps they stopped watching.

    In Season 7 the ratings dipped badly in the middle with the odd upward movement (particularly after a very strong performance the previous week), but recovered somewhat at the end (~30 million at Top 12 to ~27 million for the Top 2 performance show, hitting the bottom at ~22 million for the Top 4 performance). It showed that people were interested in what happened with the battle of the Davids, but not much interested in what happened with the others. The odd blips upward do suggest that strong performances one week can increase the rating for the week after.

    In Season 8 the ratings behaved more like Season 5, starting at 25 million at Top 12, declined a bit, but hovered between 22-24 million from Top 9 onwards right to the very end (lowest was Top 3 at 22.7 million). But unlike Season 5, the rating didn’t go up much for the last performance show, suggesting that people weren’t that interested in the Kris-Adam final. That is, there was interest in the battle among the contestants, not necessarily in the battle between the 2 finalists.

    In Season 9, the ratings at Top 12 was ~23 million, but steadily declined, with the odd upward blip (Top 11 which went over 24 million, but the one with Adam Lambert as a mentor barely increased by 0.2 of a million). Dropped below 20 million on Top 7. In this, Season 9 is probably behaving like Season 7 so far, but we’ll see if it stays steady or if it declines further.

  • BootStar

    I’ve been over Siobhan for weeks, but I’ll never get tired of Normund Gentle. LOLOLOL!

    And it can’t be said enough: Chris Colfer is BRILLIANT at everything he does. He should fill in for Ellen when she’s on vacay.

  • Allison

    MJ – do have have the ratings week by week for seasons other than 5, 6 & 7 ? (I saw them in another thread). Or perhaps someone else does?
    I’d like to know what episode the LA times was referring to in the article which stated it was the lowest rated episode since one in 2003.

  • Tess

    We can look at numbers and judge their significance in direct relation, one to another, but it never tells the “true” story. Unless all of the other factors surrounding every season of American Idol are directly equal, then the Nielsen numbers are only half the tale: what was broadcast opposite Idol, how many peeps recorded it (that number increases every year as more and more people use a satalite (sp) network rather than cable), what else was happening during the week, what was the weather like, who were the guest mentors, what was the theme for the night, any scandal in the press to lure in viewers. Hell, the list is endless.

    For me, the bottom line is that Idol is almost ten years old….and once lower finishing idols became more successful in the real world the bloom definitely left the rose. Nothing lasts forever…and the real world is way, way, way over-saturated with Idol alums…and no matter how you look at it this does cause viewer apathy and fatigue. Also, once a viewer has really related to a contestant…their basic loyalty stops there. They may watch AI but their financial support doesn’t continue with each new contestant.

    AI is just old and tired. It has had a couple of shots in the arm to help revive it (the David competition and the gay vs. religion controversy) but this kind of stuff is only temporary and doesn’t go from season to season. For me…AI jumped the shark after Taylor won and Daughtry made the money (and JHud had her success from the back of the pack). It died in season 6 (poor Jordin) and will be buried after season 10. But it was fun while it lasted.

  • poporange

    1st-I think the winner of American Idol should be treated with some respect that does not mean others have to be ignored.
    2nd-Kris Allan will more likely take the lowest winner cd sales .Taylor ,Kris and insert(idol) won the most votes on THE TV SHOW. They won ain’t going to change.
    3th-Duh some styles fit better in the record world but Bashing an former Idol that yours to lost to on the show get over it.Most just move on they don’t care about the stats who watch American Idol.
    4th- Look at Bo as long as your happy, make a living at what you love or like in my mind that person is a success.

    ETA-Taylor and others have had more bashing from this cite,media and other blogs than Kris Allan ever had.

  • googletot

    The Results shows are too long and too many guests. It should be about the Idols but it’s not. Bring back the 30-minute Results shows.

  • Tess

    England had Paul Potts,Susan Boyle and LEana.

    And who are Paul Potts and LEana? And has anyone ever heard Susan Boyle on the radio or seen her on a music-centric show here in the States. Sure, she sold albums…but hell so do the Chipmunks.

  • poporange

    Tess- it was just my mini rant and I deleted that part because was not important ..:) They were on either on the X-Fator or Britains got Talent. Chipmunks sell records is sort of funny in a sarcastic way and very true.

  • leilamaurizia

    Carrie’s SoundScan numbers for the week ending 4/25/10 (a.k.a the 05/08 chart)

    Albums
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 17,944 54 11,679 1,484,997
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE SOME HEARTS 3,023 34 2,254 6,970,750
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE CARNIVAL RIDE 1,964 29 1,524 3,082,485

    Songs
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE TEMPORARY HOME 25,676 36 18,893 427,831
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE COWBOY CASANOVA 14,521 23 11,820 1,310,905
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE CHANGE 9,117 999 434 52,546
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE BEFORE HE CHEATS 5,246 16 4,516 2,985,834
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE ALL-AMERICAN GIRL 4,220 18 3,570 1,191,266
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE UNDO IT 4,010 97 2,039 85,022
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL 3,484 26 2,765 1,672,030

  • anovich

    1st-I think the winner of American Idol should be treated with some respect that does not mean others have to be ignored.
    2nd-Kris Allan will more likely take the lowest winner cd sales .Taylor ,Kris and insert(idol) won the most votes on THE TV SHOW. They won ain’t going to change.
    3th-Duh some styles fit better in the record world but Bashing an former Idol that yours to lost to on the show get over it.Most just move on they don’t care about the stats who watch American Idol.
    4th- Look at Bo as long as your happy, make a living at what you love or like in my mind that person is a success.

    ETA-Taylor and others have had more bashing from this cite,media and other blogs than Kris Allan ever had.

    To all your points:
    1. Still waiting for respect to be given to Kris as the winner this season – please let me know when this happens
    2. It’s impossible to know for sure who will have the lowest CD sales of the idol winners – right now it’s Kris. In the future he might explode into something huge. Or the winner from Season 9 or a future season could do even worse.
    3. I still see a lot of Danny, Adam and Kris bashing around here from people who support one or two of them but not all 3. Just because 1 of them is doing well doesn’t mean the others can’t as well.
    4. Great example – Taylor is also making a living for himself, even if he’s not the most successful person in the industry. Whatever happens for them in the future, I think Kris and Adam will be the same
    ETA. Kris has taken a severe beating in many places for being the lowest selling/debuting idol and the way the whole AT&T thing went down. Many still claim he stole the show from Adam, and there is even a fruitcake out there who wrote a book about this who is actually being given some attention.

  • Kirsten

    And who are Paul Potts and LEana?

    Leona Lewis. Her “Bleeding Love” was a massive hit.

    BTW Paul and SuBo came off of Simon’s Britain’s Got Talent while Leona is the only X-Factor grad that’s made it big in the states. Simon’s AGT has not had the same success as his BGT.

    Paul was the beta-version of SuBu. Not the most attractive guy who has had to put his dreams on hold with a lovely voice. His audition became a youtube sensation. He sold a boatload of CD’s too.

    Here is his audition:
    Paul’s Audition

    Obviously, Simon feels he can create lightening in a bottle twice and he’s right.

  • Mary102

    Nope. I’m saying Season 9 dropped because Adam wasn’t on. Season 8 would probably have been alot lower if Adam wasn’t on it. Sorry, just my opinion. *shrugs* Basically what mmb said above.

    I think it wasn’t JUST Adam, but a lot of the contestants last year, and in year’s past, who helped bring more viewers in. Even mediocre performers from past years (Kellie, Megan) were interesting, fun personalities to make up for not being the best singers. Last year we had a good mix of polarizing (love em or hate em) contestants, plus goofy ones (Megan), plus energetic crazy young ones (Allison), etc.

    Same with S5 – great mix of different personalities and genres of music, which just made the whole season more fun to watch. Taylor was polarizing that year, so again, having a “love em or hate em” contestant helps too, I think.

  • Mary102

    I WOULD LOVE if she performed that on live TV!!! What did we miss in that vid? S/M – check, bondage – check, girl on girl action – check, regular sex is not even worth mentioning…

    UGH. TBH – this would piss me off if she performed this on AI. It would just bring back the sad reality that women can get away with this while Adam doing a FRACTION of this gets skewered left and right :-(

  • Mary102

    agathe.hb:
    04/30/2010 at 2:48 am
    Oksana2000, Adam said that to Slezak in his interview – he said that on AI he had done exactly the same “choreography” with mike stand as during the concerts, that’s why they showed him from the waist up….. Our boy just can’t help himself when the mike stand is near, he he he

    LOL – what he did on idol for WLL was tamer than what it eventually became on tour, but if you watch the show vid, you can definitely see the camera turn away from him, and he’s only partly visible on a monitor on stage, and he’s making the same motion of the mic between the legs.

    Damn, sometimes I can’t believe we actually got that on the AI stage. Good times :-)

  • BestAI

    I am not watching American Idol anymore because they treat Kris Allen like crap. I am sure a lot of people feel this way. So there.

    I don’t see a shred of evidence that they are treating Kris like crap. All the winners seem to be treated similarly, except possibly Taylor. He may have been treated differently because he did not sign with 19 nor the record label associated with 19R. 19/Jive is promoting the hell out of Kris’s single. It got lots of radio play (and still does), and he went platinum. Kris got all the winner’s perks and then some. He is going on a very nice tour with lots of big name artists. What more could you ask for?

  • leilamaurizia

    Kirsten, I was supposed to reply to you in the sales thread but that’s been buried so I hope you see this. There are two separate charts: Digital Tracks and Digital Songs. Digital Tracks treats each version of a song as a separate entry. (For example, Carrie’s album track of “I Told You So” with Vince Gill on background vocals would chart separately from her “I Told You So” duet with Randy Travis.) This chart is where Brian gets his numbers. Digital Songs combines all versions of a song. (Thus, sales from both versions of “I Told You So” would be combined.) This is the chart where bks got the numbers he used to post at Pulse.

  • saga

    I don’t see a shred of evidence that they are treating Kris like crap. All the winners seem to be treated similarly, except possibly Taylor. He may have been treated differently because he did not sign with 19 nor the record label associated with 19R. 19/Jive is promoting the hell out of Kris’s single. It got lots of radio play (and still does), and he went platinum. Kris got all the winner’s perks and then some. He is going on a very nice tour with lots of big name artists. What more could you ask for?

    The only thing I would change is his first come-back appearance. I get it was for IDG but come on, the guy had a platinum single charting high, of course he should perform it.

  • BestAI

    How many seasons has The Survivor been going? I think if you have an interesting cast, a show could virtually go on forever. Just comparing S8 to S9, even idol writers notice the huge difference in personalities and singing abilities.

    Look at some of the interesting personalities from last year: The arrogance of Scott, quirkiness of Megan, attitudes from Lil and Anoop, sassiness from Allison, sharp wit from Adam, quiet Kris. Then the diversity of talent: Amazing rock vocals from Allison, smooth vocals from Anoop, gritty soul from Danny, amazing diverse vocals and performances from Adam, country from Michael.

    At this point for S9, they just need to have more energy, both personally and performing. Like Adam said, they need to drink more coffee.

  • Hazehel

    Last year we had a good mix of polarizing (love em or hate em) contestants, plus goofy ones (Megan), plus energetic crazy young ones (Allison), etc.

    Same with S5 – great mix of different personalities and genres of music, which just made the whole season more fun to watch. Taylor was polarizing that year, so again, having a “love em or hate em” contestant helps too, I think

    Yes, I think a successful season needs to have a good mix of people. This season suffered because they loaded the show with a lot of the same type of singers. There just isn’t the diversity of contestants to keep people interested, and those that they have are the kind of singers most people aren’t that interested in. For example, whatever their fans may say, if you go by the rating dip in the middle of Season 7, then yes, the likes of Jason Castro and Brooke White were boring (I think Simon said something like that without naming names). This year we have a whole bunch of Brooke Whites, and the producers expect the viewers to get excited?

  • mmb

    1. Still waiting for respect to be given to Kris as the winner this season – please let me know when this happens

    I’m honestly curious as to what would have to be done for Kris to be shown the proper respect (not trying be annoying, just really curious). His face was front and center during the audition episodes. His face is front and center during the opening credits. They sent him to Haiti with the UN as an AI rep. He performed a beautiful charity single on the very first live show of the year. He will be performing his new single live on the show before the end of the year, likely on the finale (didn’t he already confirm that?). His ford commercials run almost every show. He closed the summer tour. He did a huge round of talk show and late night interviews after the finale (many of which the runner-up did not get). He did all of the talk show and late night shows to promote his cd. He got paid boatloads of money to do the disney promotion stuff. He is opening for some of the biggest names in the business this summer and headlining his own shows. What more should the AI/19/Jive PTB be doing for him to show him the proper respect?

  • LaurelG

    I honestly don’t believe AI or 19 or Jive have been treating Kris like crap either. I understand that Adam’s mentoring might have been seen as a slap in the face to Kris (and other Idols too) but Adam is a special case because he is so eloquent and charismatic and knowledgeable about the Idol process and music in general. I think other past Idols would have made wonderful mentors too (Kelly and David Cook come to mind) and I think Adam’s choice as the first was simply a result of timing – they wanted to have him on, it was Elvis week and no other obvious mentor choice presented itself and someone probably floated the idea and it took off. Adam did a fantastic job so their instincts proved right, but bottom line, I don’t think Kris is as effective at communicating nor as opinionated as Adam (obviously) so I don’t think he would have been as successful.

    But as far as other gigs go, Kris has been kept busy doing radio promotion and a variety of shows (trade shows/smaller Vegas gigs/Bahamas). Due to the smaller album sales, I think they are trying to start in smaller venues and move up. His single choices, imo, have been great. LLWD was an excellent crossover choice and I know I’m in a minority, but I like TT and think it will do very well on HAC. People keep complaining that the label is picking other artists’ music, not Kris’s, but frankly, Kris hasn’t demonstrated (yet) that he’s a great songwriter. A great song rearranger, yes, but songwriter, no. Still, the fact that he was offered a songwriting contract shows they think he has promise, but the label’s first objective is to get hit singles and album sales so I completely understand why they’d go with proven hitmakers. Also, his summer tour looks to be shaping up nicely and Keith Urban and LA (who is so hot right now) are great tourmates.

    Bottom line: With the exception of his low album sales (which he’s probably shrugged off by now) I suspect Kris is pretty excited and happy with his life right now. He likes the charity work and his celebrity status allows him to do more and have an even greater impact than before, he’s travelled to some cool places, he’s playing music with his friends, he’s got a great family and his marriage appears to be solid.

    Kris seems happy. It’s a shame so many fans aren’t sharing in that happiness. Truly, the glass is half full.

  • bridgette12

    BestAl

    I think your right that it’s the lack of diversity in talent and personalities that’s the biggest difference between the two seasons. This season is surely the most lackluster season they have ever had.

    I haven’t been able to watch the show live this year, because I was working night shift for two months. So I had to catch up with everything through the internet. The lack of energy and excitement was felt from the beginning, and that was the most surprising thing. The high number of nervous and inexperienced contestants has set this season back. Plus the ones who didn’t study the history of American Idol and understand how the process work. These kids seem like they just came out of no where and didn’t look at prior performances of past Idols. You can learn a lot from looking at how some of the past stars performed and handled the huge pressure of being on this show.

  • Mary102

    LaurelG - I tend to agree. The bottom line for ANY of these guys (winner, runnerup, 10th place finisher) is that they all wind up being so much better off after AI, than before. Even Taylor is well known and doing so much better than he would have without AI. And they all get to continue performing music (if they choose), and have other great opportunities.

    To be Carrie or Kelly big is just not that realistic for ANY singer – let alone the small group that come off AI.

  • jericho

    This year we have a whole bunch of Brooke Whites, and the producers expect the viewers to get excited?

    I absolutely agree with this.

    Has anyone else noticed an emotional disconnect between the viewers and the audience this year? I miss clips like Allison’s birthday with Adam and some others working on the cake. It was a little creepy with the grabby gokey but still it added to the flavor of the season and the contestants. Are they living in a house this year? Apartments? A Cave? I feel like I don’t know anything about these guys.

  • Mary102

    And bridgette12, ITA – as soon as I saw who was picked for Top 24, I was nervous about this season. WAYYY too many WGWG (guys and girls), and not enough musical diversity. The lack of performing experience has also been a key factor in so many tepid, nervous, boring, or just plain WTF performances.

  • Mary102

    This year we have a whole bunch of Brooke Whites, and the producers expect the viewers to get excited?

    LOL! Best synopsis of the season, hands down!

  • windmills

    I wouldn’t say that AI/19/Jive is treating Kris like crap but it’s very obvious that 19 hasn’t bent over backwards to help Kris in the face of his not meeting expectations the way they have Adam in the face of his not meeting expectations. A top 24 performance usually isn’t as valuable as a top 12 performance. Kris didn’t get to perform a song from his album although he did get the opportunity to draw attention to the tragic situation of people who rate our generosity and support. Meanwhile Adam got an unprecedented 2 day showcase during the finals where they even made sure there weren’t other performers of original music the day he was performing because by a producer’s own admission they wanted to give him a big boost. That’s after Adam squandered another before-he-deserved-it opportunity he had: the AMAs.

    TPTB are entitled to their opinion that Adam is a superstar in the making and Kris is not and so they’ve made their decisions accordingly by giving Adam the opportunity for a big showcase of his original music and Kris the opportunity to raise money for the people of Haiti. But I think it’s ignoring the obvious to say this shows a commitment to promoting Kris as his own artist. Yeah he’s a good guy with a good heart and everybody gets that. But it doesn’t promote his music.

    Kris’s strengths as an artist are in how he lends a simple but effective authenticity and sincerity to his songs whether it’s a cover song or his songs. He does that in his performance of The Truth but they compromised that with a cameo by Pat Monaghan on the bridge which makes might make business sense but not artistic sense. I don’t think picking TT as a single is a big slap in the face because IMO it’s a good song but what they did with the cameo is show that they probably don’t get Kris and why he has fans, or maybe they’re not interested in why Kris has fans.

    Add to that Jive’s tweet last night that’s also on their webpage telling people to tune in to watch Allison on Oprah while neglecting to mention Kris and I think it’s understandable that people might be pissed at the way things have been working out for Kris. @JiveMusic finally tweeted a few minutes ago that Kris and seasonmate Allison will be on Oprah, probably after hearing it from Kris fans. But when there’s been a pattern of lacking support IMO it’s understandable why the 1st oversight might stick in fans’ craws.

  • mmb

    by giving Adam the opportunity for a big showcase of his original music and Kris the opportunity to raise money for the people of Haiti.

    But the season is not over yet! there is no doubt that Kris will be on before the end of the season to sing his new single (and I believe he confirmed that he would be doing so on the finale). So Kris will have his big showcase singing original music on the (usually, but who knows this year) highest rated episode of the season, and will have performed live twice before the end of the season. I just don’t see how Kris has been treated badly or without respect by the Idol PTB when he will be given 2 live performances and his face is front and center every episode. YMMV.

  • windmills

    But the season is not over yet! there is no doubt that Kris will be on before the end of the season to sing his new single (and I believe he confirmed that he would be doing so on the finale). So Kris will have his big showcase singing original music on the (usually, but who knows this year) highest rated episode of the season, and will have performed live twice before the end of the season.

    If Kris performs on the finale then chances are it won’t be a big showcase because he will be on with many other acts on a night when the focus is on crowning the next AI. It won’t be the kind of showcase Adam was given. AI pretty much cleared the deck for Adam.

    Seeing as Adam has said he hopes to be on the finale it could be that Adam will be performing with another laser lights show which would again be an example of something AI hasn’t done before, since AI has always had the previous season’s winner performing on the finale without the runner-up performing. But since AI’s made it clear they want to help Adam as much as possible I can see them doing away with that to give Adam yet another chance.

    Too, timing matters. Kris’s album sales could have used an earlier spike and TPTB are idiots if they didn’t see that. It’ll be harder to boost Kris when the 1st time Kris is performing original music is so long after his album’s fallen out of the top 200. With Adam they intervened at a good time, around when his 1st single peaked and the album sales were low but hadn’t gotten too low.

  • Mary102

    Yes, Kris will be on the finale – the winner always is. And I’m 99.999% sure he’ll be singing The Truth on the finale. Which is great promo.

  • Mary102

    If Kris performs on the finale then chances are it won’t be a big showcase because he will be on with many other acts on a night when the focus is on crowning the next AI.

    LOL – you give too much credit to this season! I mean, really, I think ANY fan of AI would rather see Kris come back to perform than most of this sorry group.

    Seeing as Adam has said he hopes to be on the finale it could be that Adam will be performing with another laser lights show which would again be an example of something AI hasn’t done, since AI has always had the previous season’s winner performing on the finale without the runner-up performing.

    OK, NGL – but I really really really hope Adam gets to perform again on the finale! As someone who wants to give Kris his due on the finale, I’d be happy with Kris doing a whole big solo number, and maybe having Adam do a duet (Siobhan duet? LOL).

    But really, this season has sucked, and those two nights of having Adam back only made it more apparent how much more exciting it COULD be when you have a really charismatic, talented performer and vocalist on the show. I was so spoiled by that week! And the rest of the season has been even more depressing in comparison.

    The finale is already gonna probably be more lackluster due to how tepid fan reactions are toward the top 10 in general. So, at the very least, TPTB are really gonna have to pull out the stops to get interest up. (Not to mention, last year’s finale was considered one of the best they’ve ever had, so the bar is high.)

  • mmb

    Seeing as Adam has said he hopes to be on the finale it could be that Adam will be performing with another laser lights show which would again be an example of something AI hasn’t done before, since AI has always had the previous season’s winner performing on the finale without the runner-up performing. But since AI’s made it clear they want to help Adam as much as possible I can see them doing away with that to give Adam yet another chance

    I don’t think there is a snowball’s chance in hell that Adam will be performing on the finale. (also, i think he said he hoped to be “at” the finale, not “on” the finale — virtually all of the past finalists and winners show up and sit in the audience. But I’m sure someone will correct me if he did say “on”.)

  • windmills

    LOL – you give too much credit to this season! I mean, really, I think ANY fan of AI would rather see Kris come back to perform than most of this sorry group.

    My point was not only will there be a new AI crowned but there will be other big performances from established acts. Christina Aguilera’s already announced. Odds are Carrie will perform too. I’m sure there’ll be other stars including whatever big names they get to duet with this season’s people. Unlike the case with Adam where they cleared the deck to make sure he had the attention, Kris if he gets to perform his own song will be on a night when there are many other original songs being performed so it won’t be a big showcase.

    mmb: Adam probably did say “at” but I don’t agree with the people who said that’s just him saying he was hoping to attend. IMO it means he’s hoping to perform and I’d expect the AI PTB to want to help him out with another opportunity.

  • Mary102

    mmb - I actually would not rule it out at all for Adam to be performing on the finale. After all, how many such comments about how Adam would NEVER be mentoring on AI came out before that was official? And performing on the finale seems much more plausible in the bigger scheme of things. It’s a great big variety hour (2 hrs) after all – so lots of acts to be squeezed in.

    But if it did happen, I definitely expect it to be more low key, and for Kris to get way more exposure (as he should, imo).

  • Studio57

    (Not to mention, last year’s finale was considered one of the best they’ve ever had, so the bar is high.)

    I keep wondering how in the hell they will beat the epicness that was KISS and Queen?

  • smeggingnuts

    3. I still see a lot of Danny, Adam and Kris bashing around here from people who support one or two of them but not all 3. Just because 1 of them is doing well doesn’t mean the others can’t as well.

    Yes thank you….is so frustrating that when someone has some good news they then get bashed

    windmills:
    If Kris performs on the finale then chances are it won’t be a big showcase because he will be on with many other acts on a night when the focus is on crowning the next AI. It won’t be the kind of showcase Adam was given. Seeing as Adam has said he hopes to be on the finale it could be that Adam will be performing with another laser lights show which would again be an example of something AI hasn’t done, since AI has always had the previous season’s winner performing on the finale without the runner-up performing.

    haha First so as a performer on results show the performers arn’t allowed to bring something extra to their performance. Um rememeber Gaga last year, Jason D., Ke$ha this year. They all brought stuff to enhance their performances. I mean did you read that it took 2hrs or something to set of Gaga’s pretaped performance for next weeks results show. I don’t see why its unfair to Kris because Adam treated his performance like a guest performer and brought lasers and smoke instead of a guitar and stood behind a mic stand.

    Secondly Adam never said he was to perform but that he hopes to be there as in attend…geez I can’t believe people are still rehashing this.

  • BestAI

    by giving Adam the opportunity for a big showcase of his original music and Kris the opportunity to raise money for the people of Haiti.

    But the season is not over yet! there is no doubt that Kris will be on before the end of the season to sing his new single (and I believe he confirmed that he would be doing so on the finale). So Kris will have his big showcase singing original music on the (usually, but who knows this year) highest rated episode of the season, and will have performed live twice before the end of the season. I just don’t see how Kris has been treated badly or without respect by the Idol PTB when he will be given 2 live performances and his face is front and center every episode. YMMV

    Did David Cook have two appearances on idol last year? By the end of this season, as mmb mentioned, Kris would have had two appearances. Kris had already gone platinum for LLWD, so why waste the opportunity to sing that one early in the show. The timing is so much better to go on later to promote TT. Most likely he will perform at the finale, the most important show of the season.

    If I were Kris and his people, I would not take the chance of his mentoring and falling flat on his face. Not until he has a better knack for communicating. Can he be blunt and tell Andrew he was boring? Can he tell Lee that he shows no emotion? Can he tell Casey he needs to be more dynamic?

  • smeggingnuts

    Adam probably did say “at” but I don’t agree with the people who said that’s just him saying he was hoping to attend, I think it means he’s hoping to perform and I’d expect the AI PTB to want to help him out with another opportunity.

    Edit: ok editing my orginal statement sorry I didn’t meant to sound that way. But outside an assumtion that ADam wants all the fame and glory, which I have never seen. He seems to take everything as it come. Do you have any evidence outside of you changing the meaning of the word used. That Adam is begging or pounding on the doors demanding to perform on the finale.

    And do you think that Kris in incapable of putting on a performance that would capture the attention of America??? He won frikken Idol last year he seems to know what he is doing.

  • Mary102

    Adam probably did say “at” but I don’t agree with the people who said that’s just him saying he was hoping to attend, I think it means he’s hoping to perform and I’d expect the AI PTB to want to help him out with another opportunity.

    Yeah, my first take on Adam’s comment was that he thought it would be cool to do something on the finale, which, considering how busy his schedule is, would probably entail more than just sitting in the audience. Not sure if it would happen, and I think it was more said in a “that would be cool to do” vibe from him. But that was my take.

  • Mary102

    Did David Cook have two appearances on idol last year? By the end of this season, as mmb mentioned, Kris would have had two appearances. Kris had already gone platinum for LLWD, so why waste the opportunity to sing that one early in the show. The timing is so much better to go on later to promote TT. Most likely he will perform at the finale, the most important show of the season.

    David was on twice – singing CBTM (I think) around top 10 week (or so), then again on the finale singing Permanent (to raise money for charity). So, yeah, kinda like what Kris is likely to do too.

    If I were Kris and his people, I would not take the chance of his mentoring and falling flat on his face. Not until he has a better knack for communicating. Can he be blunt and tell Andrew he was boring? Can he tell Lee that he shows no emotion? Can he tell Casey he needs to be more dynamic?

    OMG – Adam’s mentoring was just made of so much win! Those comments to Lee and Andrew – PRICELESS!

  • windmills

    If I were Kris and his people, I would not take the chance of his mentoring and falling flat on his face. Not until he has a better knack for communicating. Can he be blunt and tell Andrew he was boring? Can he tell Lee that he shows no emotion? Can he tell Casey he needs to be more dynamic?

    No but maybe he could’ve given them some tips on how to make the audience believe you and get into you when you’re just standing there and singing. That’s an art too. There’s a quote from Carrie in an interview she did in Country Weekly where she talks about the production on her tour and says she likes it but at the same time she’s considering doing just an acoustic tour next. She fears just standing there and singing is a dying art. I agree with that. I’m not that into laser shows. My favorite Adam was the 1st Mad World performance, no surprise there.

    First so as a performer on results show the performers arn’t allowed to bring something extra to their performance.

    I didn’t say that? But since you brought it up as stated above it’s not what I personally prefer unless it’s really interestingly done (I appreciate some of Gaga’s stuff).

    My real point was they cleared the deck for Adam’s appearance and Kris won’t have the same opportunity.

    David was on twice – singing CBTM (I think) around top 10 week (or so), then again on the finale singing Permanent (to raise money for charity). So, yeah, kinda like what Kris is likely to do too.

    Except that both were songs on David’s album and the 1st appearance promoted the album. Like I’ve been saying IMO they’ve waited too long to give Kris the chance to promote his album. His sales could’ve used the boost earlier in the season.

  • mmb

    If I were Kris and his people, I would not take the chance of his mentoring and falling flat on his face.

    I am sure that Kris would have done a fine job as a mentor and would not have fallen on his face (impossible anyway, the editors can always cut things to make the mentor look good). I actually suspect that the Adam as mentor thing was a last minute deal. There was no mentor that week (or a cancellation), adam had long been scheduled to appear, why not try something new. Nor do I think they “cleared the decks” for Adam to appear solo that week. Since 19 owns the Elvis rights they probably wanted to do a group number that week to show off more of the catalog (even tho it was a lip synched train wreck), and maybe they weren’t able to book anyone else for that particular week.

  • jericho

    Kris if he gets to perform his own song will be on a night when there are many other original songs being performed so it won’t be a big showcase.

    If Kris’s song is good and his performance is what we should expect from the winner of AI, people will buy the single or possibly the CD. Viewers don’t forget great performances from a show because there’s more than one performance. This is his opportunity to shine and his opportunity, again, to be seen by the viewers of season 9.

  • BestAI

    Unlike the case with Adam where they cleared the deck to make sure he had the attention, Kris if he gets to perform his own song will be on a night when there are many other original songs being performed so it won’t be a big showcase.

    Adam got attention because his vocals and interpretation of his own song was amazing. Lasers and smoke do nothing for a performance if the vocals aren’t there. Many idol writers said it was the best live performance they had seen in all the seasons, and they weren’t just referring to the lasers.

    If Kris wants to stand out on the finale, he needs to have spot-on vocals. His interpretation needs to be dynamic, and his band needs to kick ass. Established artists haven’t necessarily been wowing the AI audience.

  • jericho

    No but maybe he could’ve given them some tips on how to make the audience believe you and get into you when you’re just standing there and singing.

    Kris’s performance style is too similar to the current crop of AI contestants. He’s laid back and not particularly dynamic. That’s not a judgement about his singing, which I know many people like, but IMO they choose Adam because he is the antithesis of the season 9 peeps. I think TPTB were hoping that Adam could light a fire under a few of them to maybe boost the energy but I really don’t think anything can liven up this bunch.

  • Mary102

    Adam got attention because his vocals and interpretation of his own song was amazing. Lasers and smoke do nothing for a performance if the vocals aren’t there. Many idol writers said it was the best live performance they had seen in all the seasons, and they weren’t just referring to the lasers.

    Yes, ITA. What worked so well about Adam’s performance on AI was that it was not only dramatic and dynamic (LASERS!) but artistic and classy, and really highlighted (rather than detracted) from the song. I thought it was brilliant. Not at all like, say, what Kesha did earlier, in terms of being OTT but in a completely random, trainwrecky way.

    I think TPTB were hoping that Adam could light a fire under a few of them to maybe boost the energy but I really don’t think anything can liven up this bunch.

    Yeah, I agree with this too. Sure, I’m a bit biased in my assessment (lol), but imo Adam was exactly the right mentor for this group of kids – who were long criticised for being boring, unoriginal, tepid performers, etc. He was always the opposite on AI, he had been through it himself, and so could help inspire them to do more on the AI stage, be more creative and inventive.

    TBH, I think his influence has had an impact. The performances during Elvis week (when people bothered to take his advice) were better and more dynamic. And even since then it seems that we’re getting more creative lighting, staging, etc. than in the past.

  • Incipit

    Did David Cook have two appearances on idol last year?

    Yes, he did. By the time David was on, the album and the first two singles were all three platinum – he did “Come Back To Me”. The show tucked the band in a dark corner, and acted as if they weren’t there – and I’m sure you’ve read many fan opinions of that song. But they gave him a plaque. ;)

    The second time was the Finale – as the previous year’s winner has always done, AFAIK. So much speculation about what he ought to sing – and David confounded every prediction by giving away what many consider the Jewel from DCTR – he sang “Permanent” for charity. Between them, AI and iTunes got that download off to a screwed up start (and finish) – but it finally did get worked out, and raised a comfortable sum.

    This year, the request appearance for “Jumping Jack Flash”, with a very visible band, and the presentation for IGB in Ethiopia, with bits of acoustic “Heroes” sung under really basic conditions in the video. There could be another, IDK – postings here have given examples of three appearances in a season done by others.

  • windmills

    Kris’s performance style is too similar to the current crop of AI contestants.

    IMO that’s not a bad thing as he could have given them good tips on how to connect better performing the way they do. Not saying he was the perfect guy to do that any more than Adam was the perfect guy to help them work on their energy. But a good laid-back performance is still dynamic. The problem with S9 IMHO is they haven’t learned to make their laid back performance styles more emotionally intense though Crystal did it with People Get Ready.

  • tiger92

    Except that both were songs on David’s album and the 1st appearance promoted the album. Like I’ve been saying IMO they’ve waited too long to give Kris the chance to promote his album. His sales could’ve used the boost earlier in the season

    AI told Kris he could sing a song from his album. I agree that LLWD would not have been a good choice- considering the circumstances. Why didn’t he sing something else off of his album? Kris could have performed the Daughtry co-write or Let it Rain. It was Kris’ choice and he chose to sing a Beatle’s cover.(that was recorded by JHud for Haiti relief a couple of weeks earlier) Maybe he isn’t getting good advice from his people.

  • jericho

    Maybe he isn’t getting good advice from his people.

    Or maybe he isn’t capable of making those good choices himself. If he had the choice to sing something other than what he sang (I really didn’t know this. I’m kinda stunned with this news.) and he choose that song, well, that was a bad choice. A really bad choice and a missed opportunity.

  • saga

    nvm

  • windmills

    Kris could have performed the Daughtry co-write or Let it Rain.

    The Daughtry co-write isn’t on his regular album. It’s a Walmart bonus track. IF it’s true the AI PTB told Kris he could sing something off his album and he chose not to, it’s probably because it would’ve been very tacky to mix album promotion with a segment meant to focus on Haiti. The purpose of the appearance was showcasing Haiti’s struggles after the earthquake & what’s being done to help the people there and that apparently dictated the song choice. Apparently 19 didn’t set up that performance to promote him as an artist. In the bigger scheme of things, the purpose served was MUCH more important. But looking at it from the narrower perspective of Kris’s music career, it wasn’t an appearance that was geared towards helping get people interested in his album.

    That having been said I wasn’t a big fan of Let It Be as the song choice. Kris’s performance was touching though.

    Just to be up front I like Kris but being honest I’m not even that big a fan. This is much more about TPTB and how I feel about them as somebody who’s watched the show all 9 seasons. The AIers I’m most invested in are Kelly, Carrie, and Fantasia.

  • bridgette12

    I had no idea Kris had a choice about songs, because he could have chosen something better that not only fit in with the mood of the moment, but also showed how talented he is. Let it be is a great song, but it’s been done so many times. It’s not going to generate that much excitement from the public. He should have chosen something better and taken advantage of the opportunity in the spotlight. Big audiences like that, don’t come alone everyday. Look at Adam, it blew up in his face for the AMA’s, but Oprah, SYTYCD, Letterman, Leno and American Idol was a home run for him. Every time you are on t.v as a singer/musician, it’s an opportunity to sell your music, no matter if it is for charity. Lucky for him, he will get a big audience on the finale to debut his new single and get a huge bump hopefully. He needs to take advantage of this and with luck he will be at the end of the show and people will remember his performance over everyone coming before.

  • mmb

    I thought Kris hit a home run w let it be. It was gorgeous, sold well, raised money for charity and his cd got a big sales bump and climbed 80 something spots on the billboard chart

  • BestAI

    I thought Kris hit a home run w let it be. It was gorgeous, sold well, raised money for charity and his cd got a big sales bump and climbed 80 something spots on the billboard chart

    Then, what is everyone complaining about? His appearance served a purpose. LLWD didn’t need a bump, his album did. It was too early to debut the second single. So his next appearance will highlight his second single in front the biggest audience of the season. He should get a huge bump for his single and album.

  • sma11ie

    Kris’s performance style is too similar to the current crop of AI contestants.

    IMO that’s not a bad thing as he could have given them good tips on how to connect better performing the way they do. Not saying he was the perfect guy to do that any more than Adam was the perfect guy to help them work on their energy. But a good laid-back performance is still dynamic. The problem with S9 IMHO is they haven’t learned to make their laid back performance styles more emotionally intense though Crystal did it with People Get Ready.

    I agree. I could see Kris being a really relevant mentor for this season’s contestants. Kris may have had a similar laid-back vibe to a lot of them, but he was WAY better at engaging the audience and connecting with his songs, IMO. I didn’t give Kris enough credit during the season, cuz I was too busy rooting for a flailing Matt, hating on Danny, and trying to figure out if I liked Adam this week LOL, but if you watch back at Ain’t No Sunshine (both performances, on piano), Falling Slowly (behind a mike stand, no instruments), Heartless (stripped arrangement, just his acoustic guitar), or even one of his lesser performances like Come Together (electric guitar, full band), he moved, he emoted, he was engaging. This season’s crop has the same tools he had, but not a lot of them are performing at the level he was on AI.

    The purpose of the appearance was showcasing Haiti’s struggles after the earthquake & what’s being done to help the people there and that apparently dictated the song choice.

    Yeah, I actually really commend him for not making the whole thing about himself.

    P.S. Like windmills, I’m not a big Kris fan either. I like him fine, but think his voice is just okay IMO, but I think he’s a good musician, performer, interpreter, and a worthy AI winner (Adam would’ve been worthy too).

  • windmills

    Then, what is everyone complaining about?

    The obvious. That Kris’s album sales bump would’ve been a lot bigger and more sustained if AI had given him a showcase whose purpose had been to promote his album BEFORE the album dropped out of the top 200. That the AI PTB obviously are familiar with the idea of giving their own a big showcase for the purposes of promoting them if they feel they are “struggling” and not meeting expectations but chose to do that for Adam but not for Kris. But this is all observing moreso than complaining. The PTB can do what they want.

    I like him fine, but think his voice is just okay IMO, but I think he’s a good musician, performer, interpreter, and a worthy AI winner (Adam would’ve been worthy too).

    Cosigned. I actually would’ve preferred Adam winning but liked how Kris thwarted the judges’ bus and knew Kris would more likely make an album that I’d like since Adam probably wasn’t going to do a whole album of Darkness-style plus Mad World-style songs.

  • jericho

    That Kris’s album sales bump would’ve been a lot bigger and more sustained if AI had given him a showcase whose purpose had been to promote his album before the album dropped out of the top 200.

    I’m not sure I understand your point. People can purchase Kris’s CD anytime they want. If Kris’s appearance was such that it promoted his singing and performing to such an extent that people wanted to seek out his CD they would have. No matter when he appeared on the show.

  • windmills

    I’m not sure I understand your point. People can purchase Kris’s CD anytime they want. If Kris’s appearance was such that it promoted his singing and performing to such an extent that people wanted to seek out his CD they would have. No matter when he appeared on the show.

    Stating the obvious the album sales bump would’ve been much greater and more sustained if Kris had sung a song from his album at that time or in the early stages of the finals. That’s why most acts when given the opportunity to sing on a show perform a song from their album. Instead Kris’s appearance was designed to showcase the disaster in and reconstruction of Haiti and singing a song from his album would have been tacky.

    Timing does matter for retail stock because stores are more likely to stock an album that hasn’t lost all its momentum. That effect is offset now by the convenience of internet/digital ordering but traditional retail stocking can make a big difference too.

  • jericho

    Timing does matter for retail stock because stores are more likely to stock an album that hasn’t lost all its momentum. That effect is offset now by the convenience of internet/digital ordering but traditional retail stocking can make a big difference too.

    Hmmmm yes I see your point here.

  • 123abc456

    To put this in context with the winner last year. David Cook performed Come Back To Me on April 1st 2009. It went for adds right around that time. He got a bump for CBTM but got a huge bump for his album that lasted 2 weeks. His album saw the biggest benefit. David was on the Idol stage for one song.

    Kris did not sing a song off of his album and he was on early in the season. He was on the Idol stage for one song and the feature for Idol gives back. But he was not showcasing his album. So he did not see much benefit. He got a little bump.

    Adam got a good bump for his song and a fair bump for his album. The increase lasted two weeks for Adam as well with WWFM seeing the biggest benefit. Adam had maximum exposure on Idol. Two full days of exposure with the mentoring one day and the performance the next.

    For the finale David Cook sang Permanent which is a song he wrote for his brother and he donated the proceeds to a charity. Again David was on the Idol stage for one song. But he also got a good bump for his album that week that lasted 2 weeks but was not as big as the one when he sang his single. Permanent sold well and made it into the top 10 of Itunes that week, it sold over 100,000 downloads. I hope that Kris gets a good spot and sings a song from his album. He will be on the finale that is a given.

  • sma11ie

    I actually would’ve preferred Adam winning but liked how Kris thwarted the judges’ bus and knew Kris would more likely make an album that I’d like

    Ha, I think this thread is dead, but I just want to say that I think you and I are on the same page w.r.t. Kris and Adam!

  • Truthiness

    I actually would’ve preferred Adam winning but liked how Kris thwarted the judges’ bus and knew Kris would more likely make an album that I’d like

    Well I always like screwing with the machinations of TPTB, it’s why I stopped watching SYTYCD after season’s 4 pre-ordained and not-the-best, winner. Problem with pimping is obnoxious as it is, I don’t mind it as much when I think the person is worthy of the pimping. Though it still bugs me, but then I just resent TAIC more for doing that to someone who didn’t need it. Oh and besides which is that I think that Kris’s album is a bunch of over-produced, soft rock blandness. Whereas Adam’s is over-produced sometimes good stuff, sometimes ack. But of course, mileage, it varies on that last part.

    Which is why annoying as I find all the Crystal ass slobbering, she deserves to win more than anyone, despite, not because of TPTB. Same with Adam. At least that’s who my mileage rolls.

  • kino

    Adam lost, get over it. He was boring and predictable to younger viewers. He was praised unfairly and not criticized for some of his horrible performances – nobody likes “teacher’s pet”. So, people did not like him enough to vote for him.

    He did not succeed in musical theater because he does not have discipline required to be an artist, people who do drugs are always at the risk to slip back to the habit when faced with stressful situations. Also, he has to worry about maintaining his weight, since he is not naturally thin.

    Another thing working against him is his age – he is at least 10 years older than other starting out pop-stars and he already only attracts older fans. His existing older fans would repulse younger people from attending his concerts.

    So, it’s interesting experiment – trying to make almost 30 years old into pop star – good luck with that. LOL

  • tiger92

    kino:

    Adam lost, and he is selling better than any of the “younger” contestants last year. He has tripled the winner’s album sales and is currently on his second promo tour overseas.

    Adam is actually selling tickets to actual venues where he is doing a complete set of his music. Only Adam and Danny have been able to do that from the idols last year. Cook and Archie didn’t have problems selling tickets to their own shows last year. I guess they just all have older fans that repulse the younger ones. Why aren’t these younger fans buying albums or buying tickets to go see Alli or Kris? It’s not working out too well, is it?

    Yes, Adam struggles with his weight- so does Cook. They both look like they have been working on losing and maintaining their weight. At least they are tall and carry their weight well.

    Adam did succeed in MT. He was with several national touring companies and was making a nice living in Wicked. He was one of the lucky ones who could actually live off of doing roles in musicals. (with no “celebrity” status to help him get roles or keep roles)

    Adam did drugs for recreation, like many others do. He was not a drug addict. Many people drink for fun and recreation. Alcohol is a drug. It seems that Adam, Cook and Kris all enjoy unwinding with some drinks when they go out.

    If age is such a factor- I guess Allison is the only one with a chance this year. Cook might as well not release another album either, as he is 10 years past his prime also. Danny is in trouble also. Kris is about 6 years older than others that are starting out AND he’s married. Good luck with that. LOL