And From the Captain Obvious Department: Adam Lambert is Gay

A poster at Vote for The Worst found a bunch of pictures online (supposedly taken at Burning Man) of Adam Lambert kissing another guy (Gasp!).   Dave posted them on the front page, and of course they’re spreading across the ‘net like wildfire.

It irks me that this sort of thing is a big deal in the first place.

It appears that, as far as the vast American viewing audience is concerned, gays on TV are fine, as long as they’re boy-next-door tolerable like the button-down lawyer on Will and Grace.   But those like Adam who are OUT and out there…maybe not so much.

Gah, I would love to be proven wrong.

PS:Â   Kudos on the color coordinated hair and makeup! I mean, seriously, what’s not to like here?

  • folk

    i dig how his hair matches his eye makeup. i could never be so coordindated!

  • folk

    also…i am afraid to look around the net…i guess a part of me does not really want to confront the reality of a good percentage of the population either a) being really upset by this news (ridiculous) or b) in total denial and really upset.

    i cannot comprehend those people and therefore reading things written by them will probably make my brain twist in a knot.

  • Jolene

    Better now than during a later stage of the competition, when he’ll be much more of a frontrunner and everything will be blown 3x as much out of proportion. If this comes out now (pun? who? me?) it’ll give his fanbase time to stabilize knowing all there is to know (but really, did anyone not know yet?).

    PS – Yeah, that picture is hot.

  • Laurie

    I like Adam, but he is not my favorite vocalist. I hope these photos don’t make a difference in whether or not people vote for him. I hope people vote for him or don’t vote for him, based on his performance, and nothing else. It just shouldn’t matter or be a big deal, and I hope it isn’t a determining factor for him.

  • leome

    Is it that bad that I find those pictures Hot?

    But really, could this hurt him or something? I honestly hope not. It’s not like it’s a big shock he’s gay. And it really doesn’t matter.

  • folk

    he has seriously awesome makeup skills.

  • weareallinnocent

    Good on him for being himself. Bad on those who fault him for it. Live, love, and let live. And, Peace~ :-)

  • undercooked

    I wish it wasn’t a big deal either. And I don’t understand why it’s so important for some people to make a big deal out of it. And you wonder, who is supplying these pictures? I don’t get the feeling that Adam wants to be a symbol for any particular group. I think he just wants a recording contract. I too am afraid to look on the net. But, it doesn’t really change anything. I guess it’s good to get it out there and let the chips fall where the may. There is no denying his talent and if this truly is a singing competition, he should win it.

  • AC

    First of all, wasn’t it obvious that he was gay? I don’t know why they had to have pictures to prove it? That being said, I don’t think it will affect him since the reason people voted for him is because of his voice and not just a pretty face. If that was true, there are a lot of good looking guys that never makes it to the top 12. Also, if people don’t like him anymore because he’s gay and can’t have a crush on him, they need to realize that they never had a chance even if he was straight! haha.. I will continue to have my crush on him since I love gay guys! (this being from a girl)

    Also, i hate how producers push certain people, but it is nice that one of their chosen ones is an openly gay guy.

  • Jocelin

    I’m a NYC born and bred liberal, so I’m unfazed. Who knows how the general public will react? I think the more lasting visual impact in 2009 would be something more than still photography. AI execs have targeted less though. If pornographic video shows up, then I could see AI giving him the executive boot.

  • http://myspace.com/arcadata arca

    Why aren’t I upset? I thought those pics were hottt! Adam gives good tongue, y’all – LOL

    And he looks prettier in make-up and a dress than a LOT of girls – Am envious!

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    ADam IS GAY?! NO Way, i AM SO SHOCKED! NOT – oh ok – whatever – good for Idol and He still is charming and has a wonderful voice. I loved him in the interviews, contagious encouraging smile for all. He was so sweet jumping in there to help the other two when they faltered.

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    Folk I am with you on the make up, I can never get mine on straight let alone be so color coordinated!

  • frogcooke

    Jellus-oh of the hair. Put me in that make-up category Sumi.. lol

  • soccerboi

    my question is if it’s not news and we are not all effected by those pics…why post them again? Aren’t we just adding to the hysteria?
    The fact of the matter is that there are plenty of bigots out there and this will not help his cause to be American Idol…sad isn’t it?

  • Duke

    Adam is so damn comfortable with himself it won’t affect him while on the show and i think people who know and understand Ai won’t care. He is the first really openly gay contestant and i think loads of people who would normally have a problem with it, won’t care because he’s a super nice guy with an amazing voice who happens to be gay.

    Anyone who says Adam cant win when the Top 12 hasnt even started yet doesnt know american idol- ANYTHING can happen. And i think Adam has a great shot because he knows music better than anyone on that stage and he has said over and over that his goal is to “take a song and completely redo it” which is #1 on a lot of viewer’s lists. And the guy can fucking sing! I want to say soo bad that he will win because i do believe it, but i will reserve that for another time in the future when i feel it wont jinx him.

  • http://www.myspace.com/gwendolyndiane GwendolynD

    Generally, yes, I think it’s going to be a big deal.

    1.) AI’s not going to boot him over it.

    2.) I’ll never understand why the contestants’ private lives have to be analyzed and dissected by the general public.

    3.) I’m not a fan of Adam’s screechfests. This sort of stuff is the least of my worries. I just want him to sing like a human being.

    4.) Was he seriously hiding this? Was there ever any doubt about his sexual orientation?

    5.) The only thing that would be slightly worrisome for Adam and/or his fans is the question of whether this will turn off those who would have normally voted for him? I still wonder if the gay-stripper thing is slightly to blame for David Hernandez’s early elimination. I have to wonder – because for Adam to be as popular as he is right now, we didn’t see very much of him, aside from a clip of his audition and a clip from Hollywood. I’m wondering if TPTB anticipated something like this and kept him under the radar because they need him in the Top 12.

  • Duke

    Socerboi,

    After 7 years of Idol, this is the first time during an idol season that there has been proof of an openly gay contestant. Sure everyone thought Clay/Danny N were in the same boat, but there was no concrete evidence. And the producers have been rumored to have told a lot of the contestants not to say anything about being gay. So MJ would not be doing her job if she didnt post this topic. And i think the response to these pictures isn’t going to be what most people expect, i think they will be mostly positive and it will help adam.

  • Michelle

    checking…checking…yeah, still can’t stand his tone ;)

  • abbysee

    PS – Yeah, that picture is hot.

    Yes, that picture is hot. Very hot.

    *Smokes cigarette*

    ^^^^^ the above is just joshing, I kicked that habit years ago. Well not THAT habit, lol.

    Joking aside it will matter. There are idiots somewhere throwing the *eff* word left and right. It does matter. Will those dolts vote for anyone? Probably not. I know is some quarters they are made that he sorta grabbed his junk last week and that he is not “family” friendly enough. So it will matter. Does that mean he will automatically be depimped. I think not. I think that because he is so secure. His mom and dad are Mr. and Mrs. Middle America. They are obviously supportive. Maybe this will be the beginning of something. We shall see.

    I am so tired of the whole it’s okay as long as you hide it bullshit. It doesn’t help. I know Adam doesn’t want to start a revolution or be a test case, but it would be nice to have a out and proud example for youngsters dealing with this every day. Teen suicide among gay teens is extremely high. Seeing a young gay man embracing who he is, this goes for Nate as well, can go a long way. Seeing real gay men on TV won’t turn other kids gay, but it may help those who are, accept themselves more.

    Now I will step off my liberal, commie, pinko, soapbox.

  • CathyMK

    Well, I said a few days ago that I was surprised that the gossip sites weren’t doing stories like this. I guess they were just waiting for him to be safely in the Top 12 to run it. It’s not like this is new information. Now he’s got a week for things to simmer down again before there’s more voting.

    From VFTW:

    Total future VFTW pick because he’s going to completely scare off the tween girl and bored housewife vote eventually (which really is a smart career move when you see how they ruin careers like Clay Aiken’s).

    This housewife and her tween daughter have been in Adam’s corner since November. My daughter bought his performance single, and loves his Youtube videos from The Zodiac Show (as do I), etc. The misogyny on some of these sites really irks me.

  • tinawina

    Is it that bad that I find those pictures Hot?

    Yeah. me too. I posted as much in the headlines thread.

    I like Adam because watching him struggle to tone down his inner OTT diva (aka Fantasia) is quite entertaining. Its like he’s going to burst at any moment. I expect he will be full of surprised once the top 12 starts.

    I can’t imagine him being on the radio though. The voice is too weird. I also don’t think he was ever destined to win idol. Even before these pictures surfaced.

    That said, he’s adorable and seems really nice. And he looks like a good kisser.
    :thumbup_tb:

  • yf7184

    He is soooo dreamypretty! I would have become an Adam fan if I wasn’t already totally invested in Anoop. Oh wait, I wouldn’t have cuz I am not yet feeling Adam’s voice and performance style (not yet, at least).

    But seriously, if it was just for the looks, I’d vote for his looks non stop for 2 hours.

    2.) Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll never understand why the contestantsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ private lives have to be analyzed and dissected by the general public.

    To this, I think TPTB makes SURE that we talk about the contestants’ provate lives. They are the ones who promote Danny Gokey’s wife, and their package videos keep showing all the cute little kids of the momma/daddy contestants.

  • sleeptalker

    Gays on TV are fine, as long as theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re boy-next-door tolerable like the button-down lawyer on Will and Grace. But those like Adam who are OUT and out thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦maybe not so much.

    Gays are tolerable as long as they act straight? :/ that makes all sorts of sense.

    And just because he kisses boys doesn’t make him gay, I’m afraid. :p how many movie stars do that?

  • Jolene

    The misogyny on some of these sites really irks me.

    Seriously. I guess it’s not that widely known, but about 95% of slash fiction readers and writers are women. Slash, btw = guy on guy fiction.

    I’m not saying this won’t cost Adam some fans… but I won’t be surprised if it wins him quite a few, too.

  • dee

    I guess I’m a prude! I don’t like looking at heterosexuals sticking their tongues in other people’s mouth so I guess it stands to reason that I don’t like looking at it with gays or lesbians doing it either.

    Adam’s being gay isn’t an issue with me…I’ll vote for him or I won’t depending on his performances.

    But please…this WILL hurt him, whether we like it or not, whether we act all liberal or not…this WILL hurt him.

  • oceana

    Of course he is gay, and the picture is hot, they do look great with the makeup and hair. Good for them.

    My only thing is, I don’t care to watch other people making out, gay or straight, unless I was wanting to be aroused, otherwise it just makes me uncomfortable.

    And as for prying into personal lives, well when you put pictures like that on the internet, it’s not a way to keep one’s life personal. I mean the making out, that’s what I think should be kept personal, gay or straight, but then I’m of another generation.

    Anything straights do, gays should be able to do too, but my point is, why does anyone need to do it? I guess when you’re young and foolish anything goes. When I was young I was wild and foolish too, but we didn’t have the internet lol.

    Now regarding Idol, I would guess that the same people who are voting for Danny (the church people) won’t be voting for Adam, but that was a given anyway. ha.

  • Duke

    And just because he kisses boys doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make him gay, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m afraid. :p how many movie stars do that?

    Um, i think i speak for everyone when i say Adam’s mannerisms along with his makeup/hair combined with pictures of him making out with his alleged boyfriend on a gay-friendly site kinda make Adam just a wee bit gay. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but i think it would be kinda ignorant for anyone to argue otherwise. I think Adam will make this season. Cant wait to vote for the guy because of his maaaaaaad talent. Future rock star of america.

  • brownstarz

    People are wondering how this very flamboyant (most likely gay) idol contestant can become one of the chosen ones by TPTB this year. Maybe this is finally an apology from Idol this year to all the gay fans of the show who have had to put up with 7 years of homophobic banter between Simon and Ryan. Seriously I used to get disgusted by some of the comments that came out of Simon’s mouth about Ryan or other contestants.

    Btw…Simon and Clay never got along because Simon knew Clay was gay and used to rip on him all the time.

  • movin2thabeet

    Well, there is precedent in the Idol community for an out gay competitor. That would be Theo Tams who won Canadian Idol last season. He essentially came out when during one of his on-air interviews he used the word ‘he’ when talking about his past relationship.

    Canada is usually one step ahead of us on many things, including Idol. They added instruments first, they nixed the gender equality first, etc. So maybe they opened the door for an out gay winner of Idol. Of course, they also “suspended” the show for the 2009 season due to the current economic climate, with all intentions to return in 2010.

  • brownstarz

    And David Hernandez was eliminated I feel because he just didnt have enough singing chops. And alot of people were turned off by Danny Noriega’s bitchiness. Adam is gay yes, but he doesn’t come off as a nasty queen. At least not at the moment.

  • Niall

    I doubt Adam will even care that the pictures are out there. He’s so completely out and comfortable with it that when asked about them he’ll probably say something that ends up equating to “you really didn’t know BEFORE the pics??”

    Better though to get them out there now instead of later when the tween, teens, and lonely housewives would have totally deluded themselves into thinking he’s straight. This will be better for his career long term if he can scare off the Claymate types before they attach themselves to him.

  • undercooked

    Better now than during a later stage of the competition, when heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be much more of a frontrunner and everything will be blown 3x as much out of proportion. If this comes out now (pun? who? me?) ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll give his fanbase time to stabilize knowing all there is to know (but really, did anyone not know yet?).

    PS – Yeah, that picture is hot.

    Yes, I agree 100 percent. Both on the hotness and the remark about giving time to stabalize the fan base. Also, no one can fault Adam for not being who he is. I went to the vftw and believe it or not, the remarks are pretty supportive. At least they were this morning.

    I think alot of people will be ok with it. But this will be a test for Simon, because I get the feeling this would make him uncomfortable. This season of AI is turning into an interesting journey.

  • flynnsgirl

    I am one of the older people on here and I will vote for Adam that much more since their might be some backlash over these pics. I so wish in 2009 we could move on from the gay/not gay question. The kid is crazy talented and he is ridiculously gorgeous. I think the pics are hot too! LOL
    Josh Grobin doesn’t get major radio play and he is rich and famous, that’s where I see Adams career going. If you have the talent he has there is a place for you out there.

  • hcpoirot

    early weeks in Top 12 will prove that if American audience can embrace a talented and entertaining gay singer or not.

    If he sing good and still wind up in bottom 3 when top 12 start, that mean audiences still votes based on people private life and who did he like rather than vocal and talent.

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    Oh I dont think that Adam screams or screechs, he can hold that high hard note long, loud and beautifully – THIS is screaming and screeching, to me at least:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJHQPgqmTV4&feature=related

  • abbysee

    Simon and Clay never got along because Simon knew Clay was gay and used to rip on him all the time.

    Isn’t that just speculation?

    Adam isn’t hardly a mea culpa for some alleged slight of Clay Aiken. Adam is mad talented and has nothing whatsoever to day with Clay.

    David Hernandez’ elimination had more to do with the gay stripper tandem as stripping is in some quarters looked upon as just short of prostitution, so of course he was toast. Adam is different. He’s just gay.

  • http://www.myspace.com/swood1104 Sarah

    First of all, MJ – LOL at the title of this entry. Seriously, did the delusional fantards NOT think he’s gay? I mean, my gaydar isn’t even very good, and he totally pinged it from the start.

    Second of all, you go Adam, for being yourself. If said delusional fantards plus the moral police can’t handle the truth, that’s their problem. That said, sadly I do think that there will be people who don’t vote for him because he’s gay. Like soccerboi said, there are still a lot of bigots out there.

    And no, I don’t think one bit that TPTB ‘intentionally’ held him back. It was clear that they were pimping him, to the point that Slezak had him in the ‘pimpee trifecta.’ We actually saw quite a bit of him. Audition and two out of three Hollywood performances. I think it’s just that Adam is so comfortable with who he is, so really, what is there to ‘feature’ about his sexuality? Not that it should be featured in the first place, but you get my drift. He’s just Adam. Like others have said, I don’t get the sense that he’s here to be the ‘voice’ of the GLBT community. He seems to just genuinely want a recording contract and is just being himself. Isn’t that what everyone always tells the contestants anyway? Be yourself?

  • CRB

    Lovely, maybe Adam can do a Bikini Girl act on Ryan before the season’s over. I’d bet that would make Ryan’s day.

  • holeighannie

    I don’t see why this has to matter at all…it seems there are many obviously gay men on this season, as long as they can sing rock on. Adam never fails to come off as interesting and intelligent, that’s what should matter. His everyday appearance is flamboyant enough, that he likes to dress up during his off time should not come as a surprise.

    Plus, that shit is hot. :P

  • Niall

    I went to the vftw and believe it or not, the remarks are pretty supportive. At least they were this morning.

    Adam is the potential anti-Gokey and they love his pre AI videos. He’s got a lot of support over there for being out and fabulous, not necessarily for his singing.

  • undercooked

    Von and Nate are up this week. I believe these are two more guys who are not hiding who they are. It will be interesting to see what happens with them.

  • brownstarz

    Von and Nate are up this week. I believe these are two more guys who are not hiding who they are. It will be interesting to see what happens with them.

    Oooo…good point. Noticed that there are more gay contestants this year. (Normund, Adam, Nate, Von) Maybe TPTB have purposely done this because they actually do plan on having a gay idol win ala Canadian Idol? hmmm…

    In Season 3, the deck was stacked in Top 12 with alot more African American R&B Diva songstresses.

  • calimari

    I figured if he wasn’t gay, he was at least bi. I say let’s get him and Clay on Regis so they can fix them up on a date together. Bwah ha ha!

    doesn’t matter in the least to me, any more than any of the other previous gay contestants. He’s a performer & I kind of like the “bring back the glam rock” thing.

    The other night while I was watching him I was thinking I’d really like to see him sing some Queen/Freddie Mercury. Then I came here & found the link to his audition – and he did Queen. I completely forgot about that.

  • snuffles

    What I think of the pictures:

    1) Umm, they’re HOT
    2) I need to get some make up and hairstyling tips from Adam
    3) He’s got a killer a$$ and body
    4) Wow, he’s SO photogenic!
    5) VFTW are douchebags for prying into his private life in a lame attempt to “expose” the patently obvious. As if 90% of the Adam YouTube videos out there didn’t already make it clear.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    This will be better for his career long term if he can scare off the Claymate types before they attach themselves to him.

    There’s a world of difference between Adam and Clay. Adam is totally out, while Clay, at the time of the competition, was in the closet.

    What burned Clay was his Idol image–that of a nice, conservative god-fearing southern boy. He attracted a lot of conservative Christians as fans, and when the real Clay came to the fore later…uh oh.

  • snuffles

    Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a world of difference between Adam and Clay. Adam is totally out, while Clay, at the time of the competition, was in the closet.

    What burned Clay was his Idol imageà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’that of a nice, conservative god-fearing southern boy. He attracted a lot of conservative Christians as fans, and when the real Clay came to the fore laterà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦uh oh.

    EXACTLY. People like VFTW actually WANT a Clay situation again, because stuff like that is their only source of amusement. Their reason for living. Adam and Clay’s situation couldn’t be more different.

  • risinggeneration

    I am in the minority here, I don’t find anything “hot” about that picture.

    I guess I with “dee” I don’t care to see anyone kissing like that, to me it’s a very private thing. And I was bummed to see it on this website. Just my own opinion.

    The thing that bothers me about Adam is he is too out there with his music. Maybe he will change my mind, I hope he does, but I don’t see him as a recording artist that will appeal to a large market.

    The success of past Idols has been more to do with being able to “cross-over” into different markets.

    I just don’t see Adam doing that. I do see him winning a Tony award on Broadway, and according to him, that is a compliment.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    VFTW are douchebags for prying into his private life in a lame attempt to “expose” the patently obvious.

    I don’t think there was any “prying” involved. Somebody posted pics they found on a public internet site. They would have been posted elsewhere if Dave hadn’t posted them.

    It’s not like they broke into Adam’s house and stole his personal pictures.

  • CookorHubbyHmm

    Gorgeous!!! Get some Adam! Totally hot. The other guy kinda has a Patrick Dempsey kinda thing going on. I am a Cali girl and have lived through the EMBARRASSMENT of our state voting for Prop H8, so I wouldn’t be surprised if America bullied Adam out because of this competition. I sure hope not.

  • Natasha

    Adam never fails to come off as interesting and intelligent, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what should matter.

    Agree. I loved all his interviews. He seems like such a cool guy and as for talent – it’s off the scale. That’s all that matters to me.

    This shocks me about as much as the breaking news that the Pope is Catholic. That said, I have no idea what effect, if any, it will have.

  • folk

    no snuffles…vftw does not want a clay situation. i think you should go read more. they want adam to be fabulously out and not in the closet like clay. what they want is for an openly gay over the top performer to stampede through idol and win the thing. in essence, they want the queen to take down the king of the fundy freaks (gokey).

  • sma11ie

    Wow, that’s really pretty hair and make-up. Adam seems really photogenic for still photography, but he doesn’t look this pretty on my HD. Maybe he should go for the purple eye shadow for top 12 haha.

  • snuffles

    Well, I see a silver lining in all of this. It’s well over a week before it’s time for the public to vote for Adam again. The “shock” (if there is any) would have worn off by then and most will just get back to the singing.

  • snuffles

    no snufflesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦vftw does not want a clay situation. i think you should go read more.

    I’ve read plenty over there. Many are salivating at the thought of a “frauen meltdon” a la Clay coming out. VFTW doesn’t have an altruistic bone in their body. They’re all about the shock and awe.

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    “Maybe he will change my mind, I hope he does, but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see him as a recording artist that will appeal to a large market.”

    For me, I dont watch or enjoy an artist on Idol because I am thinking of what cd he or she will be making later, not until this year and Mjs did I even realize what all goes on behind Idol and after, I really dont care if he makes Idol or himself any money later on as long as he keeps entertaining ME while he is still on the show, so far so good.

  • folk

    i think a frauen meltdown would be funny as crap to watch. i like when the right wing part of the country gets all shook up and has to question their values…”how could i have liked him so much? he is gay!” the crisis they face…

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    Me likey the purple hair!

    I’ll vote for Adam or not based on how well he performs top 12 week. I’m not thrilled with the OTT singing, but his performance will be one of the few that I’ll be eagerly awaiting.

    I’m guessing the people who voted for his “Satisfaction” performance (near crotch grabs and all) aren’t going to be put off by this. At least I hope not!

  • bean99

    Obviously not shocking at all. I don’t care but I’m not a fan anyway. I’m not sure how it will affect him in the finals. He may end up being sent home a little early but doubt that will hurt him all that much.

  • holeighannie

    i like when the right wing part of the country gets all shook up and has to question their valuesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ how could i have liked him so much? he is gay!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  the crisis they faceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    I am a member of the right wing part of the country and his sexuality has no bearing on how much I enjoy his singing. :/ I know a lot of people who feel the same way.

  • anijsch

    , so really, what is there to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹featureà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ about his sexuality

    Especially if there is a way to show it subtly with choosing a rainbow background for his performance.

  • snuffles

    folk
    Mar 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
    i think a frauen meltdown would be funny as crap to watch. i like when the right wing part of the country gets all shook up and has to question their valuesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ how could i have liked him so much? he is gay!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  the crisis they faceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    I rest my case.

  • BootStar

    Now I will step off my liberal, commie, pinko, soapbox.

    LOL! Preach it, sister!

    Well, there is precedent in the Idol community for an out gay competitor. That would be Theo Tams who won Canadian Idol last season. He essentially came out when during one of his on-air interviews he used the word à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ when talking about his past relationship.

    Yes, and he was fantastic. I always thought Theo was the perfect cross of the two David’s. There was a lot of speculation after he made his comments on CI (Did he say “him” or “them”?), but there was never any question that he was both mad talented and gay. He wasn’t flamboyant like Adam, however. And I actually prefer the tone of Theo’s voice to Adam’s, but Adam is a knockout lookswise. I’m kind of hoping he goes back to his fairer natural coloring. I think that will help while he’s on my HD TV. Either way, I just love the kid.

    Now regarding Idol, I would guess that the same people who are voting for Danny (the church people) wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be voting for Adam, but that was a given anyway. ha.

    Unless, of course, you’re amongst all those good Christians who are praying for Adam and his “ruined” relationship with his father.

  • HannaB4

    Oh my gosh does he look hot in that picture! I love the guy and can’t wait to hear what he does with the different genres on AI.
    We just saw the movie Milk yesterday so any judgments and criticisms based on his sexuality have no impact on me or any of my family and friends. Is VFTW going to start posting pictures of Sean Penn and insisting that he’s gay too? I mean there are lots of screen caps of Penn kissing James Franco and that other dude on Milk. ;)
    Adam is so talented and interesting I can’t wait to see more of him. ;)

  • lovegoodmusic

    There was never any doubt in my mind that Adam is gay. And Adam has some mad talent so I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care what his sexual orientation is.

    Unfortunately there are still too many prejudice people in this world, and I hope these photos donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hurt his chances on making it to the top 10 for the Idol tour.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=587900002&ref=name cruzceleste

    The photo isn ´t shocking at all for me… then again I ´m very open minded… Adam ´s singing wasn ´t my cup of coffee before, but I think it will be wrong if people stop voting for him just because of his sexual orintation…

    VFTW… they are idiots…. just like that, they maybe think they are funny but they aren ´t, they do this kind of things to hurt people… so I won ´t be giving then any hits, thank you very much…

    And I really like the purple…

  • MJack

    Being openly gay didn’t hurt Theo winning… but it was in Canada. What’s more Theo was shy, polite, sensitive kind of gay, totally oposition of Adam. Is America ready for somebody like Adam? I dunno. It will be funny watch frauen meltdown (or denial, which will be even more hilarious).

    Though I like his hair and makeup, he’s one pretty gay. :)

  • Skimble7

    It’s going to be interesting how the buzz on the boards changes when Nathaniel hits the stage this week. Now there’s a bitchy gay boy if we’ve ever seen one on Idol. Adam is at least old enough to be mature and although completely out, it’s not the obnoxious out. Nathaniel on the other hand? He’s just a high school kid who is all about shock value. He can’t decide if he’s just another scene emo kid or a complete flaming queen.

    Please, I am not dissing or making fun of any gblt person out there. I have many gay friends and a total supporter.

    And a quick note to the mom with the teenaged daughter. They’re not referring to people like you and I. We, the moms, find Adam charming, talented and charismatic. We could see him as our son. We, the moms, have also not raised our daughters to act like “teenies”. These are the 12-16 year olds who parents allow to go to shows unchaperoned and act like complete sluts throwing themselves at performers who are 10-15 years older than themselves believing they actually have a shot at hooking up with these guys. I work in the biz doing PR and I’ve seen this time and time again and thank the gods that my daughter never acted this way. Then again, I didn’t let her go to her first show till she was 16 and the group of girls she was with had an adult chaperone.

  • dee

    i think a frauen meltdown would be funny as crap to watch. i like when the right wing part of the country gets all shook up and has to question their valuesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ how could i have liked him so much? he is gay!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  the crisis they faceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Seriously…I don’t think Adam’s sexual preference is any more of a surprise to the “right wing part of the country” than it is to anyone else.

  • Dr. Tracey

    well mmmmm sorry to disappoint you VFTW but that does NOT scare off this bored housewife, oh hell no!

  • folk

    it may not be a surprise here…but to all the tweens who were in denial….surprise! and all the frauen who were as well. those prayer threads they had going to make sure adam was not gay…will now be saving him prayer threads. i bet dannys church prays for him and hopes danny will save him. sometimes america amazes me.

  • rockvixen

    Everybody suspected he was gay…except the gullible ones. It’s not like he was trying to hide it. Who cares? Is it relevant to how he sings? No. He’s still the best singer/performer on the show and he’s a sweetheart.

    Stay tuned for next week’s scandal:

    Kris has a 3some in a jacuzzi tub…oh I forgot that won’t happen cause he’s boring and lacks personality.

    Go Adam!!!!!!

  • http://www.myspace.com/gwendolyndiane GwendolynD

    Nathaniel hits the stage this week. Now thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a bitchy gay boy if weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve ever seen one on Idol.

    Now…I do love Nate. Liked his “Disturbia,” so his being gay won’t phase me either. And yeah, I’m one of the “church people.” :rolleyes_wp:

  • snuffles

    Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s more Theo was shy, polite, sensitive kind of gay, totally oposition of Adam.

    What are you talking about!? Adam is totally charming, intelligent and well spoken. His stage persona might be wild, but off stage he’s rather normal.

  • dee

    it may not be a surprise hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦but to all the tweens who were in denialà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.surprise! and all the frauen who were as well. those prayer threads they had going to make sure adam was not gayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦will now be saving him prayer threads. i bet dannys church prays for him and hopes danny will save him. sometimes america amazes me.

    I think some people might be amazed at how many people out there, tweens and churchgoers alike, knew that Adam was gay and voted for him anyway…my, my, my…what’s this world coming to?

  • justshootme

    To me it’s just so weirdly stupid that anyone would care about an entertainer’s sexual preference. What does that have to do with anything? Do you walk to school or do you carry your lunch?

    And those photos are hotness to the power of hot. Squared.

  • rockvixen

    Oh I forgot to add churchgoers also have gay members. Chew on that.

  • undercooked

    The only thing that might bother Adam is that his personal life is out there on the net. I know if it was me, I wouldn’t want my personal photos out there. I sure would like to give him a hug. But it looks like he has great parents and friends and he knows he’s got fans who support him for being just him. And he does look great so it’s not like having the fat pictures out there. Believe me, I know.

    But as far as his orientation, I think everyone (except those in complete denial) believe Adam is either Gay or Bisexual. I think he could still win it. Or at least get to the top three. Even conservative folks usually have a relative that is either gay or bi, and they probably love them anyway. When my uncle came out to his Catholic parents, they supported him and his partner was always at all the family functions and included in the secret santa. People can surprise you. I think the VFTW folks might be surprised how big of a heart American can have.

  • bruno

    i find it fascinating that the undercurrent of this blog is the assumption that many if not most people who watch ai also look at blogs (like this site) or search online for info about a particular contestant. i don’t believe it.

    from my experience of talking about the show to everyone, and finding a whole bunch of people who watch it, the majority do NOT go online to find out more info. they. just. watch. the. show.

    so, this photo(s) will not be seen by the majority and in fact the majority of viewers probably have no clue about adam’s sexuality. wheether they care about it once told, is a whole other question. the people of this blog are totally skewed to more liberal thinking which does not necessarily reflect the ai audience. and like many people who blog, tend to visit other sites where like minded people (in terms of using blogging technology) reside. it’s a universe all to itself but i would bet, it’s not a majority of the viewing audience.

    i think if the photos are circulated beyond the blogs/internet and hit the press so that other viewers can see them, it will hurt adam. but i’m betting they won’t make it beyond the net.

    as for if a gay contestant can win it, well, the demographic of those who vote (younger people) as opposed to all who watch, could make it happen.

  • jz

    ALRIGHT NOW THAT THAT’S CLEARED UP…

    Can the internet just leave Adam and his sexuality alone?
    Of course, that’s really just wishful thinking on my part…

    But unfortunately, this will hurt him, at least in the short term. But as people have said, this came out early in the competition, so that will help this so-called “controversy” (NOT) cool down faster.

  • folk

    for example…from the main AI board “Danny, as a man of god, please comfort and envelope Adam in your strong hard light of god during these trying times. Take the young man as your vessel, and implant the seed of Jesus inside the wayward youth. I am counting on you Danny Gokey. I know you are love.”

    and yes, there are plenty of churches with gay people. come on, i am unitarian, my minister is gay.

    but…there are a TON of evangelic churches where being gay is the sin of sins. now, you can try and deny this because your own personal church is not like that….but somehow i doubt your church or the next poster’s church is going to erase the hundreds of thousands of evangelical church goers who exist and believe this with all their little (and i mean little) hearts.

  • sma11ie

    I think I’ve gathered enough context to figure out what frauen means, but what are the origins of the term?

  • Kirsten

    frauen meltdown

    May I just say that I hate the term “frauen”? I know many fat (from what I can tell, the term frauen refers to those over 112 pounds), old (from what I can tell, the term frauen refers to those over 30 years old) women (really, just under half the babies born in this world are female and some of them will reach the ancient age of 30) who are very liberal minded and are actually intelligent. In my experience, I find that women, in general, are much more open-minded about gay men than men (on average) are. I really think that a thread where prejudism is a topic shouldn’t feature such a misogynistic term (IMO). That’s just my opinion on that particular word which makes my teeth hurt. I’m not criticizing fellow posters because they probably didn’t mean it that way (but I feel it’s being adopted from another site where they do), so I would just like to make a plea that it doesn’t become popular here.

    I think Adam will be fine. There may be an initial reaction of people rejecting him, but I think his fan base is large enough to support him until many of the people who do stupidly care about the sexuality of contestants will stop caring about it with regards to him (he will be able to impress them with his performances so that they cease to care and just see his ability). There will always be the arch-homophobes who will hate him for his sexuality, but they were probably going to vote for Danny anyway.

  • dee

    To me ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just so weirdly stupid that anyone would care about an entertainerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sexual preference. What does that have to do with anything? Do you walk to school or do you carry your lunch?

    To me, the fact that the picture is of two guys is not the issue. What bothers me is the private moment on display. I wouldn’t be any more happy with a picture of, for example, Jesse Langseth kissing her boyfriend than I am with this picture.

    Adam’s sex life is none of my business. Jessie’s sex life is none of my business. Why do people want to share this?

    I know, I know…prude. :rolleyes_wp:

  • Lexus

    The pics are HOT! Molten HOT! And I agree, he can apply make up like no other.

    I guess the question is: Would AI have put Adam through if he actually showed up for the audition in full out makeup and dress regardless of his vocals? I’m not so sure though I’d like to think so. Gay Adam appeals to me a lot more than Gay Nate and the biggest difference is Adam’s not a drama Queen. That turns me off more than anything. In addition to his obvious talent, I’m impressed that Adam is incredibly articulate, intelligent, charming, funny and, by all appearances, quite popular with the other contestants. I suspect he’s about to turn AI on its ear this season and I can’t wait to watch it all go down!

  • Kirsten

    for exampleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦from the main AI board à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Danny, as a man of god, please comfort and envelope Adam in your strong hard light of god during these trying times. Take the young man as your vessel, and implant the seed of Jesus inside the wayward youth. I am counting on you Danny Gokey. I know you are love.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Dude! Does the person who originally wrote that realize how much that sounds like they want Danny to have sex with Adam? LOL. Oh my. That reads like coded slash.

  • folk

    i think the term refers to that age group that um…CLINGS to a male contestant…has fantasies about said contestant…etc etc etc…which bring their fandom BEYOND that of fan of music and to the fan of “his body” part. Which happens to be particuarly disturbing when said women obsess about the man (claymates…etc) or the man is significantly younger (archie)….that is where…umm…Frauen becomes a name for certain types of people.

    eta: however, if you do not like the term…we can always just say Overly Obsessed Female Fan (OOFF)

  • jersey

    Okay, I have to weigh in on this one. Shocked Adam’s gay? Not. Shocked he’s flamboyant and these pics are on the net? Not. Think the pics are hot? Totally. Will I vote for him? Yes. Republican? Yes.

    There are crazies in both political parties. There are also even minded people in both political parties. I don’t think that has anything to do with it.

    There are people who will “pray for his soul” and refuse to vote for him and there are those who will vote for him because he’s gay and flamboyant. People who have meltdowns over reality television contestants are equal opportunity crazies.

    It irks me that because I happen to vote one way in an election, I get lumped into “those crazy right wingers” all over the net. Maybe I’m more sensitive because I live in the Northeast, where being a Republican(which is actually more like being a moderate Dem in some parts of the country) is practically scorned upon.

  • rockvixen

    Oh yeah Von is gay too…..since everyone wants to out people around here.

  • Kirsten

    eta: however, if you do not like the termà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦we can always just say Overly Obsessed Female Fan (OOFF)

    Well, the world doesn’t have to change for me, but I do like that term better. It’s specific to the problem.

  • folk

    OOFF it is then:) it will confuse a legion of new fans, which is always entertaining.

  • wfowfowfo

    I’ll admit I’m glad to see Adam’s not trying to hide who he really is. If I enjoy his singing, I’ll vote for him.. if not…

    Clay stayed far too long in his little closet – thankfully that sham is over.

    Prop H8 is right. This country is so behind, we should be ashamed.

  • LostInSanity

    Since when is this about what VFTW wants? They don’t get to decide what AI is about. They clearly have little clout or Nathan/Norman and Tatianna would still be in the mix. So instead they decide to spread these pictures of Adam as a way to increase their influence. Talk about ego. Who Adam dates has nothing to do with his performances on AI or his abilities as a singer. VFTW flaunting an openly and flamboyantly gay contestant in our faces in the hope that America will accept him is not an example of tolerance. It is all about the ego of those running VFTW.

  • thedingoateyobaby

    LOVE the purple hair and eye shadow. Great hair texture.

    Two guys kissing, so what. We (well a lot of us) dont seem to even blink an eye when we see torture or when we see whats happening in Darfur but OMG, 2 guys kissing is inexcuseable and will not be tolerated. Get out the tar and feathers. I think most here are fairly open minded but the sad part is that there are many people who will be revolted by that photo.
    Im really pushing for this kid now.

  • folk

    well in fairness…adam did not have this pics hidden. they were open to the public on the internet. anyone could have found them. it is not like VFTW broke into his house and stole his photo albums.

  • folk

    dingo…i think you should die your hair purple in support:)

  • weareallinnocent

    ^^^I did the purple hair once. It (and the eye shadow) looks way better on Adam than it did on me, but then, he probably did his intentionally. LOL

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    well in fairnessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦adam did not have this pics hidden. they were open to the public on the internet. anyone could have found them. it is not like VFTW broke into his house and stole his photo albums.

    My guess is that Adam has no problem with the pictures being public or he would have taken them down before the competition. He’s already said that he knows some people won’t dig him, and he seems 100% comfortable with that.

    I somehow doubt the hardcore anti-gay types were going to vote for him in the first place.

  • thedingoateyobaby

    Dont tempt me, I have a hair appointment Friday. I cant believe how much I want him to do well, to give a big ef you to those who make fun of him and the Idol machine who will try and beat him down in a not so subtle way. I love an underdog.

  • dee

    Maybe Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m more sensitive because I live in the Northeast, where being a Republican(which is actually more like being a moderate Dem in some parts of the country) is practically scorned upon.

    LOL!!! You should try working in Hollywood, where my friend cannot admit his conservative leanings for fear he’ll. never. work. again.

    New SAT question: Hollywood is to Conservatives as Evangelicals is to Gays.

    OK…so I exaggerate…on both counts.

  • flicker

    Danny, as a man of god, please comfort and envelope Adam in your strong hard light of god during these trying times. Take the young man as your vessel, and implant the seed of Jesus inside the wayward youth

    Seriously, this HAS to be a joke post! Sounds like a worster to me.

  • maturin

    Wow, that’s a nice scarf, Adam. Glad to see you taking care of the throat. Oooh, that came out wrong.

    “Frauen” thing: hmmm. Well, the VFTW demographic is basically Cartman from South Park. Maybe a few Cartgirls. Fired primarily by loathing of mom (and mom-aged women) and people on the television set, slathered with a delicious jelly of self-discomfort. So they’re not exactly a sensitive barometer of changing cultural tastes.

    Will this turn into a battle of red state vs blue state, Prop 8-wars, church-going vs secular America? Part of me thinks the show producers would actually like that for the LOLs and the ratings. But I’m not so sure. Conservative as it is in some ways, AI is not immune to the larger entertainment culture. The very fact that the boy does not appear conflicted or secretive about it is bound to help (being pretty, with nice manners and upstanding parents doesn’t hurt either).

    Plus, AI voters love the big voices. With his unique ability to appeal to voters who like sexy pants AND Celine Dion AND rock (so long as it’s Queen, Bowie or Jagger), he certainly has plenty of aces.

    Besides, Adam, too, sings in church, it appears. Or rather, temple. That should make a few heads explode.

  • Lisa

    i like when the right wing part of the country gets all shook up and has to question their valuesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ how could i have liked him so much? he is gay!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Why is it everyone lumps you either totally left or right? I am “right” and I have loved Adam from the beginning and have known from the beginning he was gay. I’m Christian too, so I guess I am really bucking that sterotype.

    If this needs to be deleted MJ, or I broke any rules from the above, am sorry. That statement was just really offensive to me.

    ETA… Jersey….WORD

  • Victoria

    Okay, just saying… The Republican-Conservative-Christian bashing needs to stop. I fit into all three of those categories, and it does not shock or phase me that Adam is gay. I will vote for him based on talent. Plus, there are gay Chrisitans, you know. It’s not impossible. In fact, it’s more common than many think. True Christians are actually very loving towards gay people. [/lecture]

    Seriously, this HAS to be a joke post! Sounds like a worster to me.

    I’m 99% sure it is. They said they were going to go over there and “join in” the prayer thread. Plus, if it were a Christian, they would have capitalized God.

  • omphalos

    It irks me that because I happen to vote one way in an election, I get lumped into à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“those crazy right wingersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  all over the net.

    Good point, Jersey. Seems like this sort of thing, Adam’s outage, can turn into one big excuse for an orgy of righteousness (and I mean on the left) and tribalism (and I mean by us all). In the past, I would have been annoyed that someone’s sexuality needed to be picked-over like this, but post-Milk (the movie) it strikes me how healthy it is for us to just hall out and hash it over.

  • snuffles

    Besides, Adam, too, sings in church, it appears. Or rather, temple. That should make a few heads explode.

    Yup, it’s starting to look like Adam is Jewish as well. Check him out singing ‘Shir lashalom’ in Hebrew at an Itzhak Rabin memorial.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-tXCr91xnU&feature=channel_page

  • folk

    the fact remains, there are hundreds and thousands of evangelicals who DO preach hatred for gay people and the lifestyle. you really cannot erase that from modern day history. it has been rather in the public sphere for awhile now.

    eta: sp while any individual poster may personally be exempt…there a countless “leaders” of these churches, on tv and in the press, preaching the gospel of hate toward gays. you cannot change this very blatant fact.

  • thedingoateyobaby

    Republican Conservative Christian equals the far right. Their record on how they view homosexuals and on other subjects is clear.

    edit: let’s not turn this into a political discussion

  • SpenserJ

    in essence, they want the queen to take down the king of the fundy freaks (gokey).

    Well, I can totally get behind that idea.

    I’m with Bruno - the bulk of the viewing audience will never see these pictures. Unless of course they’re shown on that tabloid news show that comes on before Idol (Extra? ET? Inside Edition? I have no clue – those shows are all so stupid). Plus, while I think you can get the whole “flamboyant” vibe from all of the youtube stuff etc., I think the viewing audience is probably interpreting his tv performance more as over the top theatrics – as opposed to “oh my gosh, he’s a flaming homosexual!”. And, his interview style is very charming, down to earth and warm.

    And Ditto to what Kirsten said. The people who would be turned against Adam by these photos were all in Danny’s camp anyway.

    I’m aware of the crazies who will now be convinced that Adam is doomed to hell for all of eternity. I go to Mass every week and my kids go to Catholic school. I stick out like a sore thumb with my crazy liberal politics. But, there are plenty of people like me too. Regardless of our religion, we don’t give a shit who anyone is having sex with. And we think that if God hated gays so much, well then he’d freaking stop making them.

    I will vote for Adam – or not vote for Adam based on what I see him do on the show, not based on who I’ve seen him playing tonsil hockey with.

    Also, I am down with the acronym OOFF, and plan to use it often :)

  • ptslittlecomment

    This photo isn’t this church-going Christian’s favorite shot of Adam. But that is only because I much prefer a shot of his gorgeous eyes and sly smile. Other than the use of hair and makeup I say it is pretty ho-hum. I doubt if this is the most “risque” thing he has ever done – or been photographed doing for that matter.

    I have a feeling that this photo, like most of the others I have seen on VFTW was staged for the camera to make a point. ( The camera angle, the positioning of the bodies, etc. is a little to “perfect” to be spontaneous). So I doubt Adam will be surprised to see it floated out on the Internet. I would hate it for him if he was ever blindsided by anything from his past that came out on tape or video. They guy has talent and anything he shows us beyond that should be his business.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Okay, just sayingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ The Republican-Conservative-Christian bashing needs to stop. I fit into all three of those categories, and it does not shock or phase me that Adam is gay. I will vote for him based on talent. Plus, there are gay Chrisitans, you know. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not impossible. In fact, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s more common than many think. True Christians are actually very loving towards gay people. [/lecture]

    Yeah, the lecture thing. Not cool. Don’t tell posters what to do. That’s my job. If you want to make a point, then make it. But no finger wagging please.

  • jersey

    Folk, I think the point is that it is not a phenomenon that occurs only on the right. There are just as many “crazed liberals” preaching hate and scorn for “all those right wingers”. It’s the generalization and the hatred of any entire segment of society based on one piece of information – he’s gay; she’s a right winger – that’s the problem.

  • listen

    I guess I with à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“deeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care to see anyone kissing like that, to me ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a very private thing.

    Totally agree re the tongue-kissing photo. Don’t care to see it. from. anyone.

    That said, I LOVE Adam. He is soooo entertaining. Love, love, love his style. I think I have seen just about everything he has done on YouTube and I adore it alll. He excites me (not in that way) like no other contestant. Not even Cook and I was and still am a huge Cook fan (course I only started watching AI last season, but you know what I mean..)

    I hope a few photos don’t cost him the title or however far he was destined to get.

  • serenade

    My conservative christian brother recognized Adam as gay from his first idol audition and said he sings similar to Clay Aiken (musical theater). People are just not that naive not to see what’s been so obvious about Adam, who isn’t even trying to hide it, from day one. Will my brother ever vote for him? No. Will I? I almost never voted for my favorites last year. And Adam is not my favorite this year even though his range is crazy.

    My point is, I think he’s been very obvious about being gay from the start and he was still the highest vote getter last week. He’s talented enough that it might be enough to overcome the lingering stigma of being out and proud. It will especially be easier on him if Idol wants him to advance as far as possible. I find a lot of things can be spun in a contestant’s favor if Idol is in their corner. If not, they will throw that person under the bus soon enough.

  • folk

    could be right jersey…though, i can always hold out hope that an “evangelical right winger” can be converted to be an accepting open person not confined by the bounds of limiting religious beliefs….whereas, i do not believe in the conversion of gays. so i do see some difference

  • Victoria

    Besides, Adam, too, sings in church, it appears. Or rather, temple. That should make a few heads explode.

    Yup, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s starting to look like Adam is Jewish as well. Check him out singing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Shir lashalomà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ in Hebrew at an Itzhak Rabin memorial.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-tXCr91xnU&feature=channel_page

    Hmm, that’s interesting. On his Myspace (it’s set to private now) his religion was “other,” whatever that means.

    EDIT: Sorry, MJ… I just felt kind of offended by that comment. It won’t happen again! I promise!

  • omphalos

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the generalization and the hatred of any entire segment of society based on one piece of information – heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gay; sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a right winger – thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the problem.

    Well said. Dehumanization is dehumanization. I’m a flaming leftie, but I don’t like the way we flatten each other out sometimes to make our own tribe seem more well-rounded.

    Folk and goat: I’m with you on the legacy of fundamentalist hatred. It sucks!

  • brownstarz

    well my main point is, I want to be proven wrong about my assumptions about Idol. If Adam sings flawlessly and goes up there every week and knocks it out of the park with showmanship and crazy vocals, and he still doesn’t win this show than my inkling is America was not ready for a flamboyant and/or openly gay idol.

    In a year where the screenwriter for Milk can deliver an emotional and heartfelt oscar speech and receive a standing ovation, in a year where Proposition 8 is near being repealed, I think the biggest show on TV is ready to embrace a gay idol. And no I don’t only want Adam to win because he’s gay. I want him to win because he’s crazy talented and he’s gay and would be a sign of progress for this country.

    But I still feel that this country won’t be ready to embrace it. I WANT the show and America to prove me wrong.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    The topic of this discussion is NOT POLITCS! Stick to talking about Adam. I’m editing and deleting posts as I go here.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Yup, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s starting to look like Adam is Jewish as well. Check him out singing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Shir lashalomà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ in Hebrew at an Itzhak Rabin memorial.

    It’s about time! That makes only the second Jewish contestant in the Top 12 in AI’s history.

  • jersey

    Point taken, and nor do I. Again, from my perspective only, I always hesitate even mentioning that I’m a Republican because I know that, especially on the internet where no one really knows me (LOL except for the few of you guys I’ve actually met) people make these horrible assumptions about me based on that one piece of information. I like to consider myself to be an open, honest, and caring person. I don’t give a shit what a person’s sexual orientation is; I actually kind of love VFTW and Survivor Sucks; and as I said previously, those pics of Adam are hot. (And by the way, I’ll actually be 50 soon *gag*). Point is, people come in all shapes and sizes in both parties. *shrug*

    Back to AI. Can’t wait to see what Adam does next! :cool1_tb: ETA: Sorry MJ. Delete if necessary. I posted this before I saw your post.

  • http://stores.ebay.com/BookWomanBlues-Book-Nook Bobbi

    brownstarz – if Adam doesn’t win it is very likely that we’ll never know the reason. I think he is going to be a polarizing contestant just based on his talent. While most agree that he can sing, there are a lot of people that just don’t enjoy his style – or at least what he’s shown so far. He came out with the most votes in his round though, so maybe there are enough that love his style to counteract it. I just don’t think we’re going to know.

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    If Adam sings flawlessly and goes up there every week and knocks it out of the park with showmanship and crazy vocals, and he still doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win this show than my inkling is America was not ready for a flamboyant and/or openly gay idol.

    If Adam does that and doesn’t win, I wouldn’t assume it’s because America isn’t ready to embrace a gay Idol. It could just be that they weren’t as crazy for him as they were for someone else. I know Adam has a hella range, but that doesn’t mean a different type of artist won’t appeal to me more.

    I’m also not convinced stripper-gate hurt David Hernandez. He had some pipes, but very little charisma. His elimination was about right, IMO.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    If your post isn’t about Adam or AI, I’m deleting it.

  • snuffles

    mj
    Mar 2nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
    Yup, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s starting to look like Adam is Jewish as well. Check him out singing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Shir lashalomà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ in Hebrew at an Itzhak Rabin memorial.

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about time! That makes only the second Jewish contestant in the Top 12 in AIà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s history.

    Yes, but will you start a post about it? ;o)

  • jumpstart

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about time! That makes only the second Jewish contestant in the Top 12 in AIà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s history.

    It’s definitely about time.

  • Layla

    Lord is that photo HOT! I mean …smokin’! I’m glad it’s out there now instead of later…stops the speculating. I guess it would be too much to ask that people vote according to song performance.

    I for one really really like him and look forward to see what he brings next. I’m hoping he might bring a sense of excitement to what seems to be turning out to be a rather bland bunch…so far.

  • jimmyboyd2

    Being gay is one thing. Flaunting it is another.

    Clay Aiken = classy
    Adam Lambert = attention whore

    I don’t mind a peck on the lips, but I don’t want to see Lil Rounds tongue bathing her husband, either.

  • JJ123

    I’m not a big fan of Adam….just not my thing but I seriously hope his sexual orientation has no impact on if people would vote for him or not, that would be ridiculous. I’m going to try to watch the finals with an open mind seeing as I don’t really have a favorite thus far so if Adam has an awesome performance I will most definitely pick up the phone and vote.

    This does explain why he’s so cocky….seeing as you are what you eat lol…just kidding

  • weareallinnocent

    “Clay Aiken = classy”

    ^^I can just see the Google response:

    “Did you mean Clay Aiken = closet?”

    LOL

    Clay and Adam are different people, that’s all. Clay’s had his own flashy pics surface, now that’s he’s come out, too…

    ETA: Discussing Adam, his orientation, people’s interest, and speculation about the response or TPTB intent, seems all on point. The speculation part does raise the political question, particularly with Prop H8 fresh off the presses and all. I think we skid off track when we label and stereotype viewers. We can do that to contestants, just not viewers. LOL Seriously though, I think the term “fringe” or “extremist” would be more palatable (and perhaps, accurate) than right, or republican, or christian, or conservative. As no one would likely identify him- or herself as that. :-)

  • omphalos

    The topic of this discussion is NOT POLITCS! Stick to talking about Adam. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m editing and deleting posts as I go here.

    But don’t we conflate these things? Politics, religion, sexual preference, cultural expression? Which is why it seems healthy to hash it out in a supportive environment like this. Yes, the discussion’s about AI as a purveyor of culture (if you can say that) and as a bellwether of sorts, but that includes admittance of our own assumptions, biases, etc. I think it’s ok if things get a little hawt under the collar every once in a while.

  • calimari

    Being gay is one thing. Flaunting it is another.

    Clay Aiken = classy
    Adam Lambert = attention whore

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mind a peck on the lips, but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to see Lil Rounds tongue bathing her husband, either.

    Well, the thing is, I don’t think the photo was taken as part of an Idol photo-op. It was a photo someone took at some point in his life & someone posted it. No different than bikini girl having a bunch of photos put out there. I’m not aware that Adam exactly turned that photo in to the Idol folks as part of his hometown piece or for extra PR….

  • progression

    No question Adam Lambert has an amazing voice. But going on AI was an interesting choice for him. In order to win, he would have to dial it way, way back. Even on “the Prayer”, which is a lovely vocal, he’s got the learing and the tongue thrusting thing going on. But if he severely edit’s himself on AI, what kind of record does he come out with after the show is over? The Idols who have been the most successful have been those whose were able to define who they were on the show, thus gaining a fanbase that would support them post-Idol. Kelly, Carrie and now DC have all been able to use AI as a springboard because they were able to do this, despite the restrictions of the show. I dont’ see how AI is going to help Adam if what he does post AI is significantly different than what he does on it. But if he does “his thing” on the show, I don’t see him having a chance of winning. Catch 22.

  • star

    Wow, for a second I thought I’d accidentally clicked over to TMZ. :mellow_tb: I thought it was common knowledge that he’s gay, so am I supposed to be shocked by a picture of him kissing another boy? This better not hurt his standing in the competition, because at this point, Adam is the only reason I’m interested in this season.

    Oh Adam. Please be my bff. We can do each other’s make-up and nails and squee about sparkly vampires together.

  • kbr

    Hmm, I would love to say I think this won’t effect Adam’s standing on the show (and I hope it won’t) but I really think it will. I don’t judge people based on sexual preference, but there are plenty of people out there who do. It will be interesting to see if/how Idol deals with this. Idol contestants are in a vulnerable position because the show makes such a big thing about knowing the contestants personal lives…I honestly hate that part and love tivo for allowing me to FF through all of that and just watch performances but I believe I am in the minority.

    I’m not going to lie, I don’t like Adam’s musical style so far and if I voted it wouldn’t be for him unless I see a change; I think the comparisons to Meatloaf are pretty spot on and that’s just not my cup of tea. I do hope viewers give him a shot though and that he gets judged based on his vocal abilities and what he can showcase for changing up songs etc, and not for his personal life. Comparing him to the group so far he should do well but you never know.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s ok if things get a little hawt under the collar every once in a while.

    Well I’ll be the judge of that.

    I don’t think it’s OK when posters start calling out and insulting each other. The thread was turning into a red vs blue insult-fest. This ain’t the place for that shiz.

    Have a question or a problem with my modding? Take it to email, please.

  • gingerly

    This does explain why heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s so cockyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.seeing as you are what you eat lolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦just kidding

    This had me spewing iced tea all over my monitor :lol_tb:

    ETA: I don’t think he’s cocky at all. His performances are confident. Seems like a really nice, intelligent fun guy from his interviews. I actually think I finally became a fan because of how he was at his interviews.

  • omphalos

    Well Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be the judge of that.

    Ok.

  • bjesgirl

    Lol. This is news? I heard that Theo Tams had fans insisting he was straight despite the fact that he had been out for years.

    I expect the same for Adam. Lots of friends like to swap spit regularly, ya know? Me and my best friend make out all the time. That doesn’t make us gay or anything. :wink_wp:

    BTW: There is no way in hell Clay Aiken would’ve made it to 2nd place if he had been openly gay. His whole appeal was about being a “good christian boy.” Good christian boys don’t french kiss other boys. Adam is making top 5, tops.

  • http://everyopinion.blogspot.com Terrie

    Disclaimer: I don’t care to know how people spend their most intimate moments nor do I need to watch how they do it. I don’t know whether these photos were originally intended to be private or public and I am not looking to find out. But I doubt VFTW is publishing them to help Adam in the competition.

    Historically, AI contestants whose revealing photographs become internet fodder — thus far, mostly in heterosexual poses — tend to suffer a voter backlash. Constantine Maroulis was my favorite AI4 contestant, but four years later my eyes still haven’t entirely recovered from that picture of him sniffing his armpit. Yeah, it turned me off as a fan.

    Cookie fans, how would you have felt if intimate photos of David Cook and Kimberly Caldwell had surfaced during the competition? Would it have depressed some of his vote? I suspect so.

    Certainly, there are viewers who will object personally to the homoerotic nature of Adam’s photos and may change their votes accordingly. But there are countless others who peacefully co-exist with and even gladly support people regardless of whom they schtupp — until they feel forced to watch and expected to cheer.

    Is this Sexual American Idol or Musical American Idol? I hope I don’t have to choose.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Ok.

    Just to clarify, bringing politics etc into the conversation is fine, as long as the subject is still Adam. And, I don’t mind conversations getting heated as long as they’re still respectful and polite…

  • dee

    Speaking of TMZ…I cannot believe that they haven’t posted this picture yet!

    Maybe they don’t think it’s news either. So if everybody had Adam’s orientation figured out already, I guess we don’t have to worry about him losing votes.

  • rockvixen

    ^^^
    You are wrong good Christians french kiss boys…they aren’t out of the closet that’s all and they are still good Christian boys. Please don’t preach about morals…when morals are subjective.

    Adam is going to win. Mark my words it’s his singing that matters and he’s extremely popular.

  • mandalay

    Word Kirsten, jersey and Lisa. It’s like dejavu all over again………………..

  • madmike2276

    Ok, anyone with eyes could have seen that Adam was gay. That being said, I find it sad that anyone cares. It’s his private life and when these pics were taken it was way before he was in the public eye, so it can’t be said “well, he is a public figure, he had to know, etc”. While he is not my fave, it’s undeniable that he is talented, and it is my hope that this is not used to bring him down.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=587900002&ref=name cruzceleste

    Adam Lambert = attention whore

    I don ´t think so… this picture is personal and was published with out Adam knowing about it… so is not his fault that this is being used by VFTW as an atention seeker… Adam has nothing to be ashamed and nothing to be blaimed for…IMO…

  • dee

    But there are countless others who peacefully co-exist with and even gladly support people regardless of whom they schtupp à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  until they feel forced to watch and expected to cheer.

    Terrie…I wish I had your way with words…my thoughts exactly! LOL!!!!

  • Victoria

    Speaking of TMZà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I cannot believe that they havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t posted this picture yet!

    Maybe they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s news either. So if everybody had Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s orientation figured out already, I guess we donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have to worry about him losing votes.

    I was surprised that hadn’t posted it too. And Perez Hilton.

    The strange thing is, a lot of his fans are still insisting he’s straight. I could understand that if it was just a picture of him making out with a guy since some people do that just for fun, but there’s a bunch of him in full make-up, sometimes wearing a dress, and he even had a name for him and the guy (Bradam). Plus, the pictures were for Burning Man… isn’t that a contest to see who can take the gayest picture or something? That’s what I’ve heard. And Adam won.

  • Natasha

    Adam is going to win. Mark my words ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s his singing that matters and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s extremely popular.

    I hope you’re right but it seems naive to think that there aren’t some people in the AI demographic who will be judgmental about this. Then again, I go back to what Bruno said. Most people who watch the show just watch the show. They aren’t online at VFTW or x17Online. Unless this makes their local news or Entertainment Tonight, they may not hear about it.

  • Suzanne

    Yeah–the gay thing was pretty obvious, especially from some of the videos on youtube.

    Adam was amazing in the video of him and a female singer singing The Prayer. so thanks for posting that.

    Will being gay hurt him? I don’t think so, but I do hope that pictures like the one at the top of the thread aren’t published a lot more. It did give me the heebee-geebees. I don’t know if I’d feel as strongly if it were a man/woman with the tongues and all. I definitely wouldn’t love to see that either, for sure.

    Jewish? Pish tosh. Elliott did great with a star of david around his neck and a t-shirt that said SuperJew.

  • dee

    Remember when Antonella’s pictures were released? They were all over the news…with those little black band-aid thingies covering up the naughty bits.

  • LK09

    Christian here. I figured he was gay from the first. If I liked his music, it wouldn’t keep me from voting for him.

    He is very talented, but I am not sure how he will ultimately fit into the current music scene other than broadway. It will be interesting to see if he shows his theatric side on AI and how people react to it. I didn’t watch Fantasia’s season, except for the finale, but I found it interesting in last year’s finale that she seemed way different than what I thought she was.

    FWIW, I hate PDA from anyone, so I hate this picture.

  • snuffles

    Speaking of TMZà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I cannot believe that they havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t posted this picture yet!

    Probably because it’s not exactly surprising news. If they haven’t posted the “Crazy” video, the “Crawl Thru Fire” video, the “A Change Is Gonna Come” video and all the countless pictures of him in make-up and camping it up by now, I’m guessing they won’t bother with these either.

    That or, they’re in the tank with the AI producers and jump when AI tells them too.

  • bjesgirl

    You are wrong good Christians french kiss boysà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦they arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t out of the closet thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all and they are still good Christian boys. Please donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t preach about moralsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦when morals are subjective.

    Well, according to most churches, you cannot be a good chrsitian and simultaneously be practising homosexual sex. It’s like an oxymoron, in a way. Because most churches preach that gays are going to hell anyway, so it’s a bit pointless for them to be religious, as long as they continue to live that lifestyle. Clay (and Adam) is obviously a practising gay, so how can he be considered a good christian? I don’t know any church that preaches otherwise, but you can correct me if I’m wrong.

    Either way, I don’t really care about fundemental values. But the passage of prop 8 showed that America is not blind to these sort of things.. This will definitely affect Adam negetively. There’s a reason why all the winners have been from the south.

  • Chiqui

    Adam is one of the contestants who I think appear to be very talented.

    I’ve resolved to do voting only when the top 12 roster is completed.

    I am planning to vote for anyone who continues to demonstrate that talent and render excellent performances, regardless of gender or orientation.

    I am just curious, though, whether this news about Adam will eventually cost him the coveted AI title (for he has the vocal chops and the showmanship to win).

    I seem to recall in AI7 how fast David Hernandez’s “star” appeared to dwindle as soon as news about him dancing in the gay bars appeared in the internet, and that news was not even about him being gay outright.

    I’ll continue to base my voting based on talent and performances alone. Will try to keep my own beliefs and politics out of the whole thing.

  • 2dogs

    One of the things I like about Adam Lambert is how open and self-confident he is about being gay. It is quite refreshing, actually.

    My problem with him is that he sings like he sings like a headliner for a Vegas review number. I just hope that the debate can stay focused on the music and singing, without the Adam fangirls and boys up in arms that a vote against Adam is a vote against gays.

  • Madcap Jester

    With Hernandez, I think it was the “stripper” part that hurt him more than the “gay” part. Plus, I don’t think the controversy really affected him that much. Think back to top 12 night – out of the top six guys, he was the only one who didn’t have a solid fanbase (Archie, Jason, Cook, MJohns) and didn’t turn in a spectacularly memorable performance (Cook, Chikizie, Archie – well, it was certainly memorable). He was vote splitting with all of the other guys, whereas his biggest competition – KLC and Syesha – had a genre all to themselves (country and diva).

    Plus, Adam’s been out for like forever now. Unlike Antonella and Hernandez, this is not exactly a huge shocker. The guy sang Cher during Hollywood Week, for chrissake.

  • omphalos

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mind conversations getting heated as long as theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re still respectful and politeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Fair enough. I appreciate what you do here, mj. In fact, you’re my sole Idol source now that the signal’s died! I just read your summaries & watch the 2 or 3 performances you liked best. I confess that as a gay rights activist, I was more interested in the cluster of issues than in Adam himself. He may be kinky, but he’s also been tamed.

  • dee

    I am just curious, though, whether this news about Adam will eventually cost him the coveted AI title (for he has the chops and the showmanship to win).

    At least it will work as a good excuse why he didn’t win. Even if he isn’t the favorite going in, we can always decided that it was bigotry that cost him the championship.

    Fact is, we can’t be sure if he would have won without this “revelation” so we’d much rather think that most voters are cretins rather than that the majority just wasn’t as into him as we are. Makes us feel better. Which is kinda sad.

  • catdog

    I can’t believe why people would choose to put these pictures out all over the net. What purpose does it serve them? Are they jealous of the idols success, bored, or just hateful people who want to hurt everyone and have no life. I would assume a bit of all that.

    Adam seems to be proud of what or who he is. It won’t hurt him personally but I fear that the Idol powers will not allow an openly gay man to win the whole thing; not in the US – we are not ready for that as yet. But then who knows, we elected a black man for president! I never thought I would see that in my lifetime.

    I love Adam and will keep voting for him. I just hope that he wins or loses fair and square without any idol backlash.

  • Victoria

    Well, according to most churches, you cannot be a good chrsitian and simultaneously be practising homosexual sex. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like an oxymoron, in a way. Because most churches preach that gays are going to hell anyway, so ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a bit pointless for them to be religious, as long as they continue to live that lifestyle. Clay (and Adam) is obviously a practising gay, so how can he be considered a good christian? I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know any church that preaches otherwise, but you can correct me if Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m wrong.

    My church preaches differently, as do all of my friends’ and everyone else in my family’s. Ours say that you can be a Christian and be gay, and being gay is a sin, but the premise of Christianity is that everyone is a sinner but Jesus died to save them so gay people can still got to heaven. I know some churches preach otherwise, but I’ve never comes across one.

    It will be interesting to see how this affects Adam’s run on the show. From what I’ve seen, he’s lost a lot of fans today (not on this site, but other places). I know it’s been said a billion times, but I just hope it doesn’t hurt his chances. I think it will, though. At he has VFTW backing him (I think).

    I’m just worried this is going to turn into a “If you don’t vote for Adam you hate gay people” thing. I guess we will have to wait and see.

  • weareallinnocent

    But there are countless others who peacefully co-exist with and even gladly support people regardless of whom they schtupp à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  until they feel forced to watch and expected to cheer.

    Terrieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I wish I had your way with wordsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦my thoughts exactly!

    I also admire your way with words, Terrie, but respectfully disagree that Adam or anyone else has “forced” you or anyone “to watch and expected you to cheer” anything at all. Even an avid AI watcher who cannot tear him- or herself from the Fox Channel when it airs is only arguably forced to watch him sing, dance, entertain, and nothing more. While he might like you to cheer his music, he certainly can’t force you to do so. And, surely no one forces anyone else to peruse the internet for gossip about AI and its contestants.

    I’m sure you didn’t mean it this way, but the sentiment to me does smack a little of “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

  • abbysee

    Clay Aiken = classy
    Adam Lambert = attention whore

    Hmmmm.

    Clay Aiken = scared shitless in the closet
    Adam Lambert = out and proud

    Fixed!

    First of all I don’t want this to be one gay guy vs. another gay guy. Gay folk aren’t monolithic either, but evidently you haven’t seen some of the pictures of Clay Aiken that I have, and not just the recent innocent photo booth pictures. This little tongue crap is innocent in comparison.

    This is so not a conservative vs. liberal issue. I just want Adam to be judged on his talent. That is all I wish for any of them. When you strip everything away. Danny’s wacko church, Adam’s flamboyance, Nick/Normunds split personality, Tatiana’s mental illness :mrgreen_wp: (just had to throw those in there), but everyone knows what I mean.

    Many of these contestants are shouldered with preconceived notions of what they are really like. Allison’s very intelligence was questioned because of an awkward interview with Ryan. Lil Round’s has been designated both the token black which btw follows the boring diva story arch probably birthed by Latoya London and last played by Melinda Doolittle. Before she sings an entire song. We are already tired of her, because we perceive her to be something we have seen before. Haven’t we seen it all before?

    What I am taking the scenic route in saying is just we need to grow the fuck up as a nation. Gay people exist. They have sex. They sing in church. They sing in the synagogue. They believe in God or they don’t. They love, they worship, they bleed, they die. They are Republican, Democrat, and Independent. We’ve made so many generalities and assumptions about so many things. I’ve made light of the fact that I have no problem with him being gay, yet admitting that I think he’s sexy. I don’t fault anyone for not feeling this way. You don’t have to. I just think that everyone needs to be fair.

    I don’t support Adam just cause he’s gay. I just know that he’s the most exciting person in an extraordinarily boring season, and I hope that he will be judged for his skills, and that only. Of course he won’t be, but that is my hope.

  • snuffles

    If you’re worried that the show will throw Adam under a bus, here’s proof that you’re wrong.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYuaUb09uQ

    If Simon’s favorite is Adam, the show will do whatever they can to support him. And Simon’s no idiot. He probably knows more about Adam than we do.

  • jpfan

    Maybe TMZ is waiting for him to go deeper in the Top 12 before they post the pics. AI is slipping in ratings and buzz so I’m not surprised they’re slow on the uptake.

    I really have no idea how many people will be turned off Adam because he’s gay. Hopefully, not enough to matter. The serious fan girls will probably just go into denial about his sexuality and convince themselves he’s bi (or they’ll turn him straight).

    AI ( and Simon) is probably thrilled the pics turned up. The season is such a dud it needs a good scandal. I’m hoping we don’t get a silly Adam (blue state) v. Danny (red state) battle because we’ll probably find out they’re great friends.

  • jz

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYuaUb09uQ

    If Simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s favorite is Adam, the show will do whatever they can to support him. And Simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no idiot. He probably knows more about Adam than we do.

    I suspected Simon really liked Adam, so it’s good to have my suspicions confirmed.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m hoping we donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get a silly Adam (blue state) v. Danny (red state) battle because weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll probably find out theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re great friends.

    Precisely.

  • dee

    weareallinnocent…I think you might have misunderstood Terrie’s point. Or maybe I did. I don’t think she was talking about gays specifically but about all public displays of affection. I don’t want to watch ANYBODY(male/female, male/male or female/female) kiss like that in public. It makes me uncomfortable… but that’s just me. I think love is wonderful. I think sex is private and that kind of kissing is sexual. I’m happy that people are having sex..honest, that’s great…I just don’t want to watch the preliminaries…unless I’m in the mood for midnight movies on Cinemax!

    There is an atmosphere in this country that says Look at me, I’m gay and I’m proud of it! I have no objections to that. What I DO object to is publicly displaying sexuality.

    For example, a few years ago, I was walking on a city street with my 12 year old son. Two gay men were walking in the opposite direction. One man reached over and grabbed his partner’s “package” as they walked by us. That is irresponsible, IMO…and I would have been just as annoyed if a man had fondled his girlfriend’s boob in front of my kid…..same thing, IMO.

    Time and place…that’s all I’m saying!

  • undercooked

    “If Simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s favorite is Adam, the show will do whatever they can to support him. And Simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no idiot. He probably knows more about Adam than we do.”

    I’m really glad to hear that. It makes my opinion of Simon go up. I agree, AI probably knows all about Adam. And who knows, perhaps they are behind the leak. Get it out now. That way, everyone can feel that everything is above board and that AI wasn’t trying to hide something from the public.

    And if that is true, maybe we have gone full circle, and this has gone back to being a singing competition!!! :thumbup_tb:

  • abbysee

    Two gay men were walking in the opposite direction. One man reached over and grabbed his partnerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“packageà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as they walked by us. That is irresponsible, IMOà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and I would have been just as annoyed if a man had fondled his girlfriendà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s boob in front of my kidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..same thing, IMO.

    That’s just gross. That is not even a PDA, that’s innaproriate, period.

    I have no problem with PDA’s by the way. I love to see a sweet spontaneous kiss. An affectionate pat. Groping is different. Crotch and boob grabbing is not a spectator sport.

    Hmmmm. I am getting gnollish a bit myself. Maybe if TMZ is in 19’s pocket, and Adam is Simon’ fave, then maybe that is why they haven’t run these pictures yet. Naively I’d like to say that it’s just not a big deal to them.

  • Sydia

    Adam…Adam…I say camp it up next week! Let’s see if you showing America the kind of performer you really want to be gets you into the top four. If he is out and proud, show it I say. This is what will earn my vote. I think he’s toned it waaaaaaay down. Show your stuff…make it reallly interesting.

  • brie200

    I don’t really want to get involved in the debate, but I just find it funny that this is shocking. These pictures don’t exactly tell me anything about Adam I didn’t already know.

    I’m not a big fan of over the top PDA’s, so I wouldn’t exactly love these pics if they were of Adam and a woman, but that’s neither here nor there.

    I’m not voting for Adam, but that’s just because he’s not my favorite nor am I voting this season. That said, since this season has been so lackluster, I’m not sure I see this hurting him. I agree the Hernandez situation was different. I don’t think he ever had a clearly defined fanbase and that scandal was over his stripper past, which is a different situation than Adam.

  • dee

    abbysee…I like the sweet spontateous stuff, too.. I don’t even object to french kissing in public as long as the tongues stay out of view and the kissers are discreet.

    I happen to think that Adam has an amazing voice, with an astounding range….I’m not yet sold on the over the top performances but I will say that he’s in my top 3.

    I hope he does well in the competition. I just wish he hadn’t made that picture public……and maybe he didn’t, maybe Burning Man did.

  • Kirsten

    If Adam sings flawlessly and goes up there every week and knocks it out of the park with showmanship and crazy vocals, and he still doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win this show than my inkling is America was not ready for a flamboyant and/or openly gay idol.

    I really hope that people decide to vote for him based on whether or not they enjoy his performance and not based on prejudism, but people may not like his singing even if he does sing well every week. Slezak didn’t care for his performance this week and I don’t think anybody could accuse him of being anti-gay. He just doesn’t care for Adam’s style.

    I hope that Adam doesn’t lose votes for being gay (and that one day being gay is not any more newsworthy than being left handed), but I also hope that liking/not-liking an Adam performance doesn’t become some kind of internet litmus test of one’s homophobia. I hope that people are able to dislike/love his performance just because they dislike/love it. Just like all the other contestants should be treated. Let’s forget what consenting adults do with each other and just judge this as the singing/popularity/producer-manipulation contest it is.

  • dante

    Love Adam – he displayed his “gayness” from the first time we saw him – so far he is my pick to win and my fav to watch. Over fifty here and openminded.

  • St.Lucia

    Well, I come home from work to this.

    Nice headline, MJ. Captain Obvious, indeed.

    And while I’m not the least bit surprised I can’t decide if this is going to hinder Adam or a blessing. I’m sure it’s a mixture of both.

    In the long run I don’t care. So Adam likes to kiss boys and is gay. I like to kiss boys too, but I just happen to be a female.

    This doesn’t influence the artist I think he’s capable of being.

    I like Adam too much to care about his sexuality. Unless that starts affecting his music or he becomes such an obnoxious gay man that I am turned off by it.

    I find all forms of PDA entirely, entirely annoying and find anything aside from the mere holding of hands obnoxious in public. I don’t care if you are heterosexual or homosexual, it’s all annoying. I think kissing and anything more should be kept private(I’m looking at you annoying couple in Wal-mart. The bathroom aisle is not where you should be getting it on) So as long as Adam keeps it on the down low about who he kisses and where he kisses them that’s fine!

    I just don’t need to see it.

    Otherwise, bring it on, Adam, bring it on! And carry your freak flag proudly with you because I love it so.

  • Diana

    Okay, I admit being a slightly disappointed woman only because I find him quite attractive. And the PDA in that photo would be a little much even if he were kissing a woman. It’s a shame these sorts of photos have to make the rounds.

  • Pixie Baker

    Oh Dante….once again you and I are on the same page! Miss you….stop working sooo much!!!! Pix

  • KrazeeK120

    I just looked at the blog for the first time today and…..OMFG!!! WHAT??? Adam is gay??? Surely you jest!!!

    OK for real, are there actually people out there who didn’t know that? I honestly think you’d have to be pretty dense to not know that before.

    Honestly, I think it’s more likely for people not to vote for Adam because of his screaming than because he’s gay (particularly because it was obvious before that he is gay and he still got a huge number of votes). His performance last week (especially on the results show) was rather painful to my ears. However, if he can tone it down and sing pretty, I’ll probably throw a couple of votes to him.

  • Niall

    I seem to recall in AI7 how fast David Hernandezà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“starà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  appeared to dwindle as soon as news about him dancing in the gay bars appeared in the internet, and that news was not even about him being gay outright.

    What hurt David was the perception that the way he was presenting himself wasn’t actually him (claiming to be straight when he was actually gay, claiming to just be a guy from a “pizza bistro” who actually worked as a stripper at gay clubs). Adam won’t have that problem. He’s also 10x more charismatic and a a better singer, in my opiniom.

    There have been tweens and teens all over the ‘net claiming there is no way Adam is gay and he’s their new crush and likes girls, etc etc. I’m glad VFTW went ahead with the pictures now. I think even if TMZ or Perez Hilton publish them there will be a collective yawn, from AI, from Adam and most likely from the public. Except for the very naive kids who are feeling a wee bit crushed, I can’t imagine this will shock very many people. This isn’t an “outing,” this is “DUH!”

    I don’t get the issue with the pics themselves. Those are classic MySpace generation type pictures. They were taken at a major event (Burning Man), a very WILD event geared towards adults. There isn’t any nudity, just a lil bit of tongue. It’s not like Adam and his friend were posing at a local McDonalds in front of a bunch of kiddies at the playland.

    And I can totally believe that prayer post from the previous page. Anybody who thinks there aren’t weirdos out there posting that stuff very seriously didn’t see the “please God, save Clay from his homosexuality” posts on blogs and on his own forums. “CountingDavid’sCharacter” exists almost entirely to deify an awkward 18 year old. People like that are out there. Mocking it or doing a parody of it is very difficult because the real stuff is so over the top and scary.

  • chewsday

    I don’t care if he’s gay, straight, bi-, trans-, I still can’t stand his OTT performances. And I don’t like his voice, or the sneers, or the tongue, or his screeching high register or his looks in general, or anything else about him. He just. creeps. me. out. big. time! I don’t understand why, because I’ve never reacted to a contestant so negatively before. It might, however, be enough to make me quit watching Idol. Eh, no big loss….

  • St.Lucia

    What hurt David was the perception that the way he was presenting himself wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t actually him (claiming to be straight when he was actually gay, claiming to just be a guy from a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pizza bistroà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  who actually worked as a stripper at gay clubs). Adam wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have that problem. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s also 10x more charismatic and a a better singer, in my opiniom.

    EXACTLY. I’m going to wonder what ROCK someone was living under if they didn’t have a clue that Adam is gay. I mean all signs pointed to yes and it has been in speculation ever since we heard the name Adam Lambert. Adam hasn’t hid anything from anyone, not that it has been asked, but pretty easily assumed. With David I remember being surprised by the news because I didn’t see that coming, but with Adam the news of this “breaking”(although I’m not sure how breaking it is because I knew, I guess the PDA pictures are more breaking than anything else).

    And well, David was also terrible whereas Adam is not.

  • Suzanne

    This is such a hot thread. Is it the picture or the subject?

  • http://everyopinion.blogspot.com Terrie

    weareallinnocent Mar 2nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure you didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean it this way, but the sentiment to me does smack a little of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t ask, donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t tell.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    As dee noted, I was talking about all PDAs that I believe should be private and I am an equal opportunity eye-averter.

    I won’t go into my Christian faith again, but I am one who tries to walk the walk. To that end, I actually damaged my career in the 1990s by supporting a lesbian co-worker who was facing discrimination and sabotage within our department simply because some ill-informed troublemakers didn’t want to share a bathroom with her. My supervisor was disciplined for allowing the situation to progress and she never forgave me — in fact, when I was going through chemotherapy for the first time in 2003, she tried to fire me when I was too ill to work. But I did the right thing and can never regret it.

    What bothers me about Adam’s photos being publicized is that it doesn’t seem to be by his choice. Maybe he’s okay with it, but I think outing other people is wrong. Outing yourself can take no small amount of courage, given the consequences of doing so. Forcing those consequences on someone else without their consent is tacky and disrespectful. I would say the exact same thing about publishing anyone else’s private photos.

  • Lu

    FWIW, I hate PDA from anyone, so I hate this picture.

    ITA. Yuck. Adam wowed me last week but I think that’s because everyone else was so bad. He’s just okay to me. Even though I lean to the right and attend church regularly, my reason for not voting for him has nothing to do with his sexual orientation or this TMI pic but has everything to do with the fact that I’m not crazy about his singing style.

  • justshootme

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going to wonder what ROCK someone was living under if they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have a clue that Adam is gay.

    Reminds me of that quote … someone who couldn’t get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if they smeared their bodies with clue musk and did the clue mating dance? I mean Cher, Twlight, black hair dye and a flat iron. Real tricky.

    And I think girls will still fawn over him even if they know he’s gay. I don’t think that being gay makes him any less attractive. And I’m a straight girl who can accept that the guy is gay, and I still find him uber hot.

  • undercooked

    What bothers me about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s photos being publicized is that it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem to be by his choice. Maybe heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s okay with it, but I think outing other people is wrong. Outing yourself can take no small amount of courage, given the consequences of doing so. Forcing those consequences on someone else without their consent is tacky and disrespectful. I would say the exact same thing about publishing anyone elseà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s private photos.

    Terri, I agree with you 100 percent. I hope Adam agreed to this. Otherwise, it appears that someone could have done this to hurt him. Who is the other person in the photo? How does he feel? Perhaps that person’s family isn’t aware of his orientation. The publishing of this photo actually affects two people. I wonder if the VFTW even thought about it and did they get that other person’s permission?

    Also what are the rules about posting pictures. I am clueless when it comes to this stuff. Maybe that’s why TMZ etc, isn’t posting them?

  • teenie

    Couldn’t care less if he’s gay or not.

    I couldn’t stand Clay’s singing and he’s gay.

    Adam’s voice grates in the same way. There’s something adenoid or unpleasantly sharp-toned about his tenor even when he isn’t screeching. I’m not impressed so far but I think it may have to do with the tone in his voice and there’s not a heck of a lot he can do to overcome that unless he can really produce a warmer and more pleasant sound. Thanks Kirsten for putting it out there that disliking a performance from Adam is not a condemnation of his sexual preference.

  • Natasha

    What bothers me about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s photos being publicized is that it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem to be by his choice.

    Yeah, I doubt he intended for them to wind up all over the internet and have us all commenting on them. I wouldn’t exactly be thrilled if this happened with my personal photos.

  • SpenserJ

    What hurt David was the perception that the way he was presenting himself wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t actually him (claiming to be straight when he was actually gay, claiming to just be a guy from a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pizza bistroà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  who actually worked as a stripper at gay clubs). Adam wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have that problem. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s also 10x more charismatic and a a better singer, in my opiniom.

    Yeah, that’s a good point. I think what also hurt David was that he was Cheesy as hell. He had one really good performance and the rest were all kind of meh to me. So, unless Adam starts stinking it up for the next couple of weeks and boring us to death, I don’t think the two situations are all that similar.

  • St.Lucia

    And I think girls will still fawn over him even if they know heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gay. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that being gay makes him any less attractive. And Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a straight girl who can accept that the guy is gay, and I still find him uber hot.

    Doesn’t make him any less attractive to me since I already figured he was gay to begin with. I like the androgynous look on him it suits him and he’s very sure of himself. I find his confidence and I find that more attractive than anything.

  • CathyMK

    And I think girls will still fawn over him even if they know heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gay.

    Seriously. With his stye, talent for applying makeup, and sense of humor, he’s the gay best friend every girl dreams of. :clap_tb:

    It’s going to be very interesting to see how this plays out. While Prop 8 passed in CA, Ellen Degeneres’ wedding was also splashed across the cover of People magazine (or one of those supermarket aisle magazines, anyway). She described her wedding on her daytime talk show. There are openly gay characters in quite a few TV shows and movies- it seems to be becoming a stock character. Maybe AI figures it’s time for them to try out an openly gay cast member. And, really, what has Adam publicly done that’s so controversial? Dressed up in wild outfits, sang OTT songs, and kissed a boy and liked it? This stuff is only outrageous because AI has a white bread image. RuPaul, the famous drag queen, has her own reality show that’s some combination of Top Model, Project runway, and drag queen beauty pageant. If our culture can handle that, hopefully it can handle Adam.

  • lizland

    I think anyone under the age of 30 knows that photos taken of them are going on the internet – usually myspace or facebook. I would guess Adam knew and couldn’t care less if these photos were out there. I’m not a big fan of his performance style and singing, but I do admire his seemingly knowing exactly who he is and being very comfortable with it.

    And I think Simon and TPTB like him as long as they figure out how they can make money off of him. Not quite clear to me yet how marketable he is in today’s music business, but it is early days yet.

  • Victoria

    I hope Adam agreed to this. Otherwise, it appears that someone could have done this to hurt him. Who is the other person in the photo? How does he feel? Perhaps that personà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s family isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t aware of his orientation. The publishing of this photo actually affects two people. I wonder if the VFTW even thought about it and did they get that other personà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s permission?

    From what I understand, the pictures were for a Burning Man contest, wihch Adam won. They are also availible – uploaded by Adam – on tribe.net which just happens to be undergoing maintenance right now. I would link to it, but it’s pointless because it won’t let anyone on the website right now anyway. The guy in the picture is Brad, Adam’s ex(?)-boyfriend.

    So, yes, Adam most likely agreed to it, since the pictures are from his account. Brad has an account on the website too.

  • Natasha

    So, yes, Adam most likely agreed to it, since the pictures are from his account.

    He agreed to having VFTW post them and have them all over the world wide web? I doubt it.

  • undercooked

    I wonder if they are going to include that “burning man” award as one of his achievments during his video package on an upcoming AI? :ponder_tb:

    And to think that Simon was annoyed with David Cook’s wordnerd video.

  • Victoria

    He agreed to having VFTW post them and have them all over the world wide web? I doubt it.

    Oops, sorry, I must have misunderstood that part. I meant he agreed to the pictures being posted publicly online.

    I wonder if they are going to include that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“burning manà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  award as one of his achievments during his video package on an upcoming AI?

    I wish the tech people would find a way to sneak it in there. Wouldn’t that be interesting? Ha. Ken Warwick might have a heart attack.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    He agreed to having VFTW post them and have them all over the world wide web? I doubt it.

    There’s nothing to agree to. Adam uploaded them to a public site. Therefore, they became PUBLIC.

    A word to anybody who posts personal info or photos on the internet. If it’s something you don’t want everybody and his mother to see, don’t post it.

    Having said that, if Adam was worried about these pictures embarrassing him or biting him in the ass he a) wouldn’t have posted them in the first place or b) Would have deleted them from his acccount.

  • ptslittlecomment

    Natasha, Google Adam’s name and you will find a whole host of videos and photos of him – some of which he posted himself – that are as “out there’ as the photos posted above. Adam is certainly savvy enough to know that anything committed to video or film over his career certainly could be copied and possibly be used at any time. I would hope that he has made his peace with this, because this is probably not the last he – and we – will hear of it. But if he did do these photos for a contest as rumored, then he likely signed away his rights to them.

  • JOJOSIE

    I just love Adam, anyway shape of form, He gorgeous, seriously talented, has an easy charm and I’m sure would be fun to hang around with. Even if girls know he’s gay I bet they like being around him as they could talk fashion, makeup, hair, music etc. I remember a movie where Jennifer Aniston fell for a gay guy who was her best friend, I’m pretty sure Adam didn’t want these pictures released, it was done by some jealous or rejected person. These pictures weren’t taken to be shown in public I’d bet. There is a picture of him in a similar pose with two gals on one of his fan sites which they use to question if he is straight gay or bi. I really don’t care as I just really can’t wait to see his next performance as right now he’s the only one who keeps me watching. I hope the show picks up soon

  • Natasha

    Natasha, Google Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s name and you will find a whole host of videos and photos of him – some of which he posted himself – that are as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“out thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ as the photos posted above.

    A performance is completely different from photos on something like a Photobucket account.

    Just because you can legally do something doesn’t mean you should.

  • Victoria

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure Adam didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want these pictures released, it was done by some jealous or rejected person.

    He uploaded them to some photo site… I’m looking at it right now, and I think it’s kind of like photobucket-meets-facebook in that it is for uploading pictures, but you can also join ‘tribes’ which are like groups (like some of Adam’s are the Kabbalah tribe and the !~QUEEN~! tribe). It looks like an old-ish account. It says it was last updated on 07/14/08.

    ETA: I just noticed that, on his profile page, he spells his last name “Lambà ©rt” with an accent mark. Huh. It’s definately him, though.

  • shy215

    wow yeah dis was ….um obvious I thought he was 2 pretty like zac efron 2 be straight it hurts a lil becuz i think he is just beyond sexy hes da type of guy u dream and drool about becuz of da sinister look in his eyes his lankyness and not 2 forget he can sing and i can tell he’s flexible omg it hurts i feel so bad for him becuz they wont let him win becuz hes gay they will cheat him like they cheated da once revered constantine maroulis he opened da door for dat guy becuz b4 he came along there was nothing sexy or even remotely sexual about american idol but u know he had his tongue thing dat ll whop dance and da pouty lips and da u know u wanna do me eyes….lol adam is just like dat key difference between them is con has more theater experience yet adam is more sexy more current and his voice is really amazing con didnt have dat type of talent he was jus good at being seductive as hell seducing da voters downside is adam cant do dat becuz they already know his preference and funny thing is cons gay 2 he just thinks dat no one knows about it lol but um ike if ur a guy in theater 9 times out of 10 ur gay so um cool with it

  • jammasta

    Meh, liberal straight guy here, the only thing that disgusts me is the make up, since I hate unnatural looks. Yeah, I don’t really like seeing other guys kiss, but whatever, straight people do it, why can’t gays?

  • sue

    The guy who won CI last season, Theo Tams, who I loved, was out too right? It was quite obvious. Why not have an openly gay winner this season? It’s all good, no shock here. The photos do look hot. They look like a cute couple. :) If you could sing you could sing. At least he isn’t annoying like Von, good lord, can Von just go away, please don’t put him in the pimp spot, pleazzeee…LOL…
    Come on we got Normund, Nate, Von, Jorge, and of course Adam on team rainbow this season. Did I miss anyone. It’s all good. My vote goes to Adam since my beloved Normund is gone. :(…BRING NORMUND BACK!!

  • hypertwink

    Will Young, the first Pop Idol winner, and Theo Tams, the CI winner last year, are gay. I don’t know if Will was out when he was on the show but Theo was. They won so there’s precedent about gay reality show contestant winning but they lived in the UK and Canada respectively, so that differentiates it from American Idol.

    I hope it doesn’t matter but I’m not that optimistic. I’d be so happy to be wrong, though.

  • sue

    Hey we were thinking the same thing at the same time hypertwink, lol. I forgot about Will Young, he was obvious too as well as Clay. I have tons of gay friends and they usually let me know right away. lol. For real! It’s all good, lets hope that America is ok with it. Oh that’s me, I am part of America, I think it is terrific. Rainbow power for the win!

  • Tatiana

    anyone know if Adam went to college and whether he graduated?

  • abbysee

    He uploaded them to some photo siteà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m looking at it right now, and I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s kind of like photobucket-meets-facebook in that it is for uploading pictures, but you can also join à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹tribesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ which are like groups (like some of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s are the Kabbalah tribe and the !~QUEEN~! tribe). It looks like an old-ish account. It says it was last updated on 07/14/08.

    Wow, they still do stuff like this. I hung out with a group of gay men in NYC in the late 80’s and 90’s and their groups were called ‘houses’, sometimes named after fashion houses like Dior, or Lauren. Or just names that sounded cute or hip like the house of Labeija, Ebony, etc. I guess it’s similar to tribes, lol. They did these talent contests where they ‘vogued’ sorta like a cross between modeling and dancing. As a matter of fact Madonna’s Vogue video was based on these events, they called them balls. I guess that is one reason Adam doesn’t phase me at all because these contests are really out there. They had categories for best butch queen, best face, best ‘realness’, that was a category for transvestites usually, if you could fool someone, then you could win a realness category. I guess they still do this, I just sorta drifted away from the group when I started a family. Hubby was certainly glad about that. He isn’t as liberal as I am.

  • JOJOSIE

    Over at Top Idol there is a Fox Network video of Adam’s High School, his chorus teacher and the girl he took to prom two years. He evidently wasn’t out in high school and he certantly looked different then. I really like his look now better. I’d bring the link over but I’m not very good at that.

  • Victoria

    Abbysee, I think the ‘tribes’ or whatever are just a part of the website,like FB groups. I’m not sure if it has anything to do with the houses you’re referring to. I could be wrong, though.

    The contests you mention do sound like some of the contests in connection with this Burning Man thing, though. I’m having a really tough time trying to figure out what exactly it is, but so far it seems like it’s these people who set up a community for like a month where participants can “express themselves freely” and not be judged. It’s kind of odd how they set it up for a month and then *poof* it’s gone for a year.

    Over at Top Idol there is a Fox Network video of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s High School, his chorus teacher and the girl he took to prom two years. He evidently wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t out in high school and he certantly looked different then. I really like his look now better. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d bring the link over but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not very good at that.

    I tried to watch it, but it’s blocked on my laptop (my school blocks random things… it’s annoying). Anyway, it does seem like he wasn’t out in HS but I saw someone post in the comments on some article (can’t remember where) that they knew Adam in HS and he was “as gay in high school as he is now.” But they could just be not telling the truth.

  • oceana

    The strange thing is, a lot of his fans are still insisting heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s straight.

    LOL. As always, denial is not just a river in Egypt.

    A sidenote about the Clay Aiken comparisons. Clay and Adam have another almost-connection in the show Wicked. Clay’s current boyfriend is in the cast of Wicked on Broadway, and Adam was in Wicked but not on Broadway is that right? So they are almost connected in that way. Clay’s been seen in the audience at Wicked a few times.

    Those who said that Clay was closeted and presented a role-model clean-cut Christian boy image were right. That was why his fans staunchly defended his heterosexuality, even when the rest of the world knew he was gay, and the rest is history. Adam won’t have that problem.

    Most of the people who voted for Adam last week probably knew he was gay. I think he’ll advance based on his ability to move people or not, like anyone else.

    I think Bruno’s right too that the majority of the tv audience probably don’t bother to go online and keep up with all the background drama. But on the other hand most people probably think he’s gay.

  • Victoria

    As always, denial is not just a river in Egypt.

    Haha! That’s funny.

    I think the people who voted for Adam so far mostly knew he was gay and were fine with it. I think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll mostly advance based on his ability to move people, like anyone else.

    I hope you’re right… however, someone uploaded a video of Adam’s kissing pictures to Youtube and most of the comments looked like this:

    “OMG YOU PHOTOSHOPPED THESEEE. ADAMS NOT GAY AND IM GUNNA MARRY HIM!”

    or

    “hes gay?!?!?!?! im lyk crying right now~! im not voting 4 him now.”

  • aly

    Sorry this had to happen. It shouldn’t matter, but it will.

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    Most of the people who voted for Adam last week probably knew he was gay. I think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll advance based on his ability to move people or not, like anyone else.

    Exactly. Now, if these pictures were of Sarver, Gokey or Kris, we’d have another story altogether.

  • Niall

    He agreed to having VFTW post them and have them all over the world wide web? I doubt it.

    If Adam didn’t want the pictures found he wouldn’t have posted them on a public website. If I post a link here to a picture in my photobucket then basically I’m saying “I don’t care who sees this.” If somebody else takes the picture to another website and says “Hey it’s so and so” what’s the big deal? VFTW didn’t do anything wrong. In fact by popping the denial bubble early on they probably did the guy a favor. Adam wasn’t outed by these pictures for the simple fact that you have to be in the closet in order to be outed in the first place. Where Adam would have run into trouble is if he went around deleting any pics or videos that indicated he was gay. Then when the pics came out it would look like he was ashamed or covering it up.

    And I wouldn’t necessarily take the fact that he had a female prom date to mean he was closeted in high school. He might not have been all the way out but there’s a good chance the girl he took was aware of his preference and they went as friends. Either way, he reportedly came out to his family at a young age. I assumed “young” to mean high school age but I suppose he could have been in college.

    I have a feeling Adam isn’t going to get any more backlash than Neil Patrick Harris did when he confirmed what everybody pretty much knew. America tends to be (not always, just tends to be) fairly accepting of our gay celebs, at least moreso now than a few years ago when it almost tanked Ellen’s career. Worst case scenario is a few naive, annoying 14 year old girls are going to cry into their pillows tonight. I just don’t see this being an issue that lasts throughout the season or causes people to hate him en masse, especially if Adam is as comfortable in his own skin as he seems to be. His comfort level with it will cause everybody else to relax.

  • mahrikka

    I saw the photos this morning before leaving for work and felt sad at various times throughout the day thinking Adam’s preference, or anyone’s sexual preference, would become an issue this year. When I got home, I rushed to the Internet thinking the worst. I’m sure most people who frequent blogs and boards have seen them by now. And, as I waded through pages of posts, I started to feel more optimistic. I really don’t see Adam losing any support from the people who think he has a wonderful gift to share with the world. I’m talking about his voice. :) I think those who are amazed at his talent and wish him well will continue to do so. And, most people who don’t are not basing that judgment on his sexual preference.

    It’s hard to tell if Adam wanted those particular pictures shared with the world or he simply doesn’t frequent Tribe any longer and forgot to delete them. Personally, I think the photos are great. If they were taken at Burning Man, I can assure you that no one was troubled by the PDA. It’s a wild event where you can take creativity to another level and are appreciated rather than judged.

    It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but again, I’m optimistic.

  • rockvixen

    I would like to say that these photos were Adam’s private collection. Yes they were in a public folder but just because of “your curiousity” to look at them doesn’t give you the right to say “Adam is flaunting it” or to blame Adam or his boyfriend for the moments they shared. Love is love no matter what the sex of the person you are with. For those “grossed” out by it you must live in Pleasantville and aren’t aware of the real world. I’m Canadian and I feel so sorry for gay people in your country.

  • oceana

    Now, if these pictures were of Sarver, Gokey or Kris, weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d have another story altogether.

    LOL then we would have a repeat of the Clay situation. I’m glad to see the level of open-minded response here at mj’s, but I think a more mature group of people post and read here. It’s disconcerting to hear about some of the responses on youtube. I guess responses will run the gamut but that’s true of most things.

  • Victoria

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m glad to see the level of open-minded response here at mjà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s, but I think a more mature group of people post and read here. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s disconcerting to hear about some of the responses on youtube. I guess responses will run the gamut but thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s true of most things.

    I stopped in at americanidol.com just to see how they were reacting over there. There were a few “OMG” threads about it but they got deleted pretty quickly. It looks like TPTB might not be so crazy about this. Hmm, shocker.

  • undercooked

    “I would like to say that these photos were Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s private collection. Yes they were in a public folder but just because of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“your curiousityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to look at them doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t give you the right to say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Adam is flaunting ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or to blame Adam or his boyfriend for the moments they shared.”

    I agree. I’m sure he didn’t anticipate for people who were not his friends to copy these photos and post them on VFTW for unknown reaons. I can’t think they were given to VFTW by someone who cares about him. That makes me sad that someone would go out of their way to hurt him. Now if I hear that Adam was ok with this, then it’s all good.

  • hardkandy

    Well I’ve always known he’s gay so that fact that comes with the pictures doesn’t affect me. But I agree with whoever said that I don’t like PDA so the pic of the tongue action does bother me, even if he’s doing with it a male or a female. It’s just a bit on the tacky side, IMO.

  • undercooked

    I stopped in at americanidol.com just to see how they were reacting over there. There were a few à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“OMGà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  threads about it but they got deleted pretty quickly. It looks like TPTB might not be so crazy about this. Hmm, shocker.

    They have very strick rules over there about talking about anyone’s sexuality. Even if it is obvious that someone is gay, they do not accept sources that are main stream, such as VFTW.

    This has nothing to do with TPTB not liking this situation. Threads last year about David Cook and Kimberly Caldwell’s relationship also disappeared very quickly.

    Read the rules over there and you will see they run a tight ship.

  • Natasha

    If Adam didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want the pictures found he wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have posted them on a public website.

    See, I don’t agree that putting photos up on Photobucket means you want them spread all over the internet. I put them up to share with friends and stuff. I’ve posted a few I sure wouldn’t want my parents to see. It’s legal to take them but morally it’s kind of dodgy.

  • Victoria

    I agree with you, Undercooked… I doubt someone who knew him would leak them to VFTW. They wouldn’t need to, anyway. The pictures would have been very easy to find, especially since a lot of people at VFTW already knew he had gone to Burning Man.

    It’s not right to post someone’s personal pictures on a popular website, especially when the pictures could possibly harm their career, but Adam posted them himself, and that’s something you have to live with the consequences. He new he was pursuing a career that could potentially put him in the spotlight, so I don’t think the pictures are something he is ashamed of, or he would have taken them down/never posted them.

    ETA: From tribe.net’s privacy policy…

    “Please be aware that whenever members voluntarily disclose personal information online – e.g., message boards, chat areas, file uploads, events, and listings – that information becomes public and can be collected and used by others.”

    So it clearly states the information is publicly availible. It’s not supposed to be private like FB, or even like Myspace or anything.

  • snuffles

    See, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t agree that putting photos up on Photobucket means you want them spread all over the internet. I put them up to share with friends and stuff. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve posted a few I sure wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want my parents to see. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s legal to take them but morally ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s kind of dodgy.

    EXACTLY. Using the old “it’s posted on the internet so it’s public there fore it must be OK” or “it’s obvious he wanted these pictures plastered all over the internet” justification is shaky at best.

    And funny these people don’t seem to be thinking about the other guy in the picture at all. Just because Adam signed up to be on AI, doesn’t mean this guy did too. But who cares about collateral damage when you’re getting hits on your website, right?

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    I agree. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t anticipate for people who were not his friends to copy these photos and post them on VFTW for unknown reaons. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think they were given to VFTW by someone who cares about him. That makes me sad that someone would go out of their way to hurt him. Now if I hear that Adam was ok with this, then ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all good.

    Honestly, I think he’d have to be pretty dense to publish a profile with pics somewhere online and not expect those to be found once he got on AI. History has shown time and again that if there’s something out there, it will be found. It would be a different story if a trusted friend published them, but he put them out there himself.

    Adam doesn’t strike me as a dummy, so I’m guessing he would have taken them down before his appearance on the show if it bothered him. Didn’t he say in an interview that he has been watching the show for awhile? He has to know how this works, right or wrong.

    Also, it sounds like this tribe thing is like facebook, not photobucket. Do you know how many jobs have been lost over facebook profiles? Enough to be very careful of who you have as a friend and the privacy settings you set, especially if you post anything at all risque.

    As far as I’m concerned, VFTW did nothing wrong in posting them. I also doubt they’ll have any negative effect on his chances. He’s made no apologies for who he is, and I think the photos are fine.

    EXACTLY. Using the old à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s posted on the internet so ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s publicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  justification is shaky at best.

    On the contrary, posting something on the internet without understanding the ramifications is naive at best.

    Besides, a public profile on the internet is different than a private one. Also different from photobucket.

  • maturin

    I’m gonna call Lambert “Captain Obvious” from now on.

  • St.Lucia

    See, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t agree that putting photos up on Photobucket means you want them spread all over the internet. I put them up to share with friends and stuff. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve posted a few I sure wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want my parents to see. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s legal to take them but morally ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s kind of dodgy.

    I agree thatmany people use, say photobucket, as a means to upload a picture just to send to their friends.

    However, I’ve seen the wonderful world of the internet and feel that any questionable picture of me shall never surface the internet. I figure if I never want anyone to see it, I shall not ever put it on the internet. Thankfully, I’m not famous nor will I ever be, so I doubt anyone is going to go hunting for anything of me, but if ever was in the public eye I just would never put anything questionable of me up.

    For goodness sake the paparazzi will take care of that for you.

  • Victoria

    Morally, I don’t think it’s right to post someone else’s seemingly-private pictures. However, legally, VFTW is in the clear, and Adam obviously knew what he was doing when he posted them.

    I have a feeling they would have made their way out anyway, VFTW or not.

    Also, it sounds like this tribe thing is like facebook, not photobucket. Do you know how many jobs have been lost over facebook profiles? Enough to be very careful of who you have as a friend and the privacy settings you set, especially if you post anything at all risque.

    It’s like a cross between the two. Basically, it’s a site to help connect with people in your city that have the same interests as you, as well as to post pictures.

  • gingerly

    But it is absolutely true that if it’s posted on the internet, it is very public. Do I like the fact that somebody spread those pictures around? Not if Adam doesn’t. It absolutely doesn’t surprise me, however, that it happened. It maybe only surprises me that it didn’t happen sooner. I really don’t think Adam is all that upset over it. It’s not like he’s tried to hide being gay. Maybe it’s good for those 12 year old girls who think they’re going to marry him, to realize it was never going to happen, be he straight or gay or somewhere inbetween. I saw posts on the scary boards saying girls didn’t know Kris Allen was married. They were angry for having voted for him :wacko_tb:

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m gonna call Lambert à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Captain Obviousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from now on.

    Heh. Me too!

  • sue

    LOL, “captain obvious”, that is too funny.

    So “Captain Obvious” vs “Hokey Dokey” and “Voncrapalot”….:) :tongue2_tb: :jittery_tb:
    This maybe a great season after all. Bring on the top 12.

  • Victoria

    I saw posts on the scary boards saying girls didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know Kris Allen was married. They were angry for having voted for him

    “Scary boards”? Isn’t that the Worster term for IDF and AI.com? (Sorry, dumb question, but I can’t remember)

    I thought Kris Allen had been dating some girl for 7 years. I didn’t know he was married. Huh. Back to Adam…

    I doubt these pictures will make much of a difference to him. We’ve known about the videos of him on Youtube for what seems like forever. He knows we know about them. He said he read stuff on the internet in an interview, so I would imagine he’s seen some discussion about those.

    I’m curious as to how TPTB will handle it. I’m sure it won’t be addressed on Idol or anything, but I wonder if they will de-pimp him or finally figure out – after 8 seasons – that it shouldn’t matter because it’s supposed to be a singing competition?

  • hypertwink

    I’m sure he knew it might go out into the internet (there have been scandals for the past few years that have been exposed certain contestants — yes, Antonella, this is a reference to you) but I think he doesn’t care. He’s part of the new generation of gay guys who are comfortable with themselves to not hide it — they even flaunt it. I’m sure Adam wants to win AI but I think he also doesn’t want to get grief over it. Just as an example, Clay.

  • undercooked

    I just came from ew.com and looked at Slezak’s power ranking for the week. He brought up these photos and posted a link. Kind of disappointed in him. The link takes you to Rickey.org. but all the posts are positive.

  • gingerly

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Scary boardsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ? Isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that the Worster term for IDF and AI.com? (Sorry, dumb question, but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember)

    I don’t know who’s term it is for what. I heard it here and found it amusingly appropriate for the AI boards. I don’t go to IDF so wouldn’t know its applicability there.

    ETA: According to someone who’s sister was a bridesmaid at his wedding, he got married in September 2008 to Katy who he’s been with for 7 years. He does indeed wear a ring now. He didn’t during his audition. Oh the deceit…

  • Victoria

    Okay, thanks for the clarification, Gingerly! It does seem appropriate, haha.

  • Suzanne

    I thought Kris Allen had been dating some girl for 7 years. I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know he was married. Huh. Back to Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Plenty voted for married Chris Daughtry in part because he’s a hottie. I don’t think Kris’s ring will deter many.

    Back to Adam–wow–this is a big story. I guess it’ll die eventually. It is kind of a “so what.” But the pic(s) will be inflammatory to some. So that’s too bad. Frankly, if it were a picture of Alexis Grace putting her tongue into some guy’s mouth that she herself put up on a public photosite, would we feel the same way about her that we do now?

  • jz

    Frankly, if it were a picture of Alexis Grace putting her tongue into some guyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mouth that she herself put up on a public photosite, would we feel the same way about her that we do now?

    Well, Alexis would probably be called “slut” or “whore” or something like that by some people. She’d probably lose some fans. Somewhat similar to Adam’s situation right now.

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    Frankly, if it were a picture of Alexis Grace putting her tongue into some guyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mouth that she herself put up on a public photosite, would we feel the same way about her that we do now?

    That’s an interesting question. I think there would be a lot of sexist backlash against her. I think people would be more upset than they are about Adam. I don’t see too many people upset about Adam’s pictures.

  • gingerly

    Frankly, if it were a picture of Alexis Grace putting her tongue into some guyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mouth that she herself put up on a public photosite, would we feel the same way about her that we do now?

    I would. I don’t necessarily like PDA’s. I would feel bad that somebody felt they had to share it. So yeah, can’t see much difference.

  • cay

    How ironic that these were taken at a place for free expression. And now the whole world is judging.

    The pictures were in a place that is frequented by people with similar interests. He hadn’t logged on in close to a year. I don’t think he expected any of them to post pictures on a board like VFTW, whose whole existance is to destroy people.

    Adam kissing his boyfriend at the time….Alexis kissing her boyfriend at the time like that. I get your point, but it wouldn’t change the way I feel about Alexis.

    Adam deserves some compassion here. His journey has been more difficult and no doubt he’s had to experience many things. It’s not an easy journey and he probably made mistakes.

    I am SURE the majority of kids now have pics on the web somewhere that would be objectionable to somebody.

    I like him singing The Prayer at the Temple
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu_dPnRzbRQ

  • Hoppy

    I know your post is a couple pages back now, but abbysee, I just wanted to applaud you. I could not have said it better myself and I won’t even try.

    And to whoever said that Adam being gay won’t stop women from fawning over him… you are right. I have a very close friend who is attractive and very talented and sings at different places in town. EVERYONE is well aware that he is gay, but it doesn’t stop the women from falling in love with him. Believe me.

  • Suzanne

    His journey has been more difficult and no doubt heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s had to experience many things.

    Do we know that he’s had a hard journey? Honestly, wondering if people know something more.

    To me, it’s not the gay/straight thing, which I do think is irrelevant to the competition or careers in music; it’s the public/private debate.

    Did he intend for the photos to remain private, with access only to people invited to view them? If so, then posting them at that site, and/or failing to take them down, was just a mistake. And so what? People make mistakes. If he knew that the photos could be viewed by anyone and, even when he started doing well in the competition, did he think that he really didn’t care if the whole world saw the pictures? That situation would make me pass a little judgment. (Do I love an exhibitionist American Idol?) Hmm.

  • brextra

    Now regarding Idol, I would guess that the same people who are voting for Danny (the church people) wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be voting for Adam, but that was a given anyway. ha.

    I’m not voting, but if I were, I’d throw a few Danny’s way, and probably a lot Adam’s way – at least based on what I see so far. And I’m a church people.

    I feel badly that this is all happening the way it is for Adam, but at least his votes will stand a better chance of being from real fans and not just from people who are voting on the premise that he’s straight.

  • waffle

    I get that some women won’t be turned-off by Adam being gay, but what about straight men? In the context of the show and voting, it probably doesn’t matter because women are really the show’s target audience and voters. Post-Idol, however, Adam may have a difficult time expanding his fanbase to men. For guy contestants, I think the stigma of AI is hard enough to overcome as it is.

    Oh, well, I personally enjoy Adam’s performances. Hope he is able to continue doing what he loves, and is brave enough to be true to himself throughout the entire process. Go Adam!

  • Diana

    Good point — straight men might be the one group to turn away.

    Wonder if any comparison can be made to Rufus Wainwright? He’s very talented, very good looking and VERY out. I do wonder what effect that has had on his career.

  • workdog

    Personally, I don’t see any problem with being a clean cut Christian and also being gay…it’s not diametrically opposed, at least not in my world.:-) I can see where some in the vaunted, somewhat mythical world of middle America could have issues, but then, if it isn’t that, it’d be something else, if the person were gay. Some can’t get past sexual identity. More’s the pity. A lot of talent, humanitarianism, social relevance, and contributions to humans as a whole originates with persons who are gay…too bad there are still those that can’t see beyond their innate “fear” of something not like “them”. Sad for sure.
    But, then, there are very real strides being made…hopefully those steps are becoming much shorter in nature and will be at their final destination very soon.

    YMMV (and I don’t mean to get political so take it for what it’s worth, please.:-) )

    Adam is a force unto himself. Maybe not my cup of tea as a complete package but he’s definitely got facets that shine and are worth watching/listening to. He’s talented.

  • wonderings

    Dear Adam,

    I think I’ve seen more of your tongue than I’ve heard of your singing. Srsly, it’s hanging out in, like, EVERY THIRD PICTURE.

    Just because a man sings and wears makeup does not necessarily make him a fine person to emulate.

    I’m glad you have a fully functioning and robust tongue.

    But please don’t take your cues from Gene Simmons. It’s tonguesploitation and it’s wrong!

    Bowie YES, Simmons NO.

    ((okay, maybe a leetle pyro. perhaps a codpiece. but that’s all! i mean it.))

  • Lera

    It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks about if it’s right or not but I’ll tell you what. If it is around the net like wildfire and the talk doesn’t die down..ADAM is a gone because American Idol is a family show, and DISNEY will not have this partnership with IDOL and this. It’s bad for BIZ…Adam is gone I tell you.

  • NOLA

    If pornographic video shows up, then I could see AI giving him the executive boot.

    Ya gotta know it’s out there and it’s coming.

  • undercooked

    I think it will die down. In the end, I think talent will prevail. Plus he seems to be a nice person. The other idols seem to really like him, which is an indication to me that he is genuine. People will rally to him like they have tonight on all sites I have visited. He may not win, but his talent will get him at least into the top 5. .

    Also keep in mind Von and Nate are coming up tomorrow. I think it is safe to say they are both gay. I believe one of them will also make the top 12.

    It’s turning out to be a interesting season. I’m not really happy that this happened, but there’s no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

  • abbysee

    ADAM is a gone because American Idol is a family show, and DISNEY will not have this partnership with IDOL and this. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s bad for BIZà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Adam is gone I tell you.

    Then they are bigots.

    If he gets booted off and not voted off then he will have lawyers lining up to take his case.

    Btw, wasn’t there a rumor that Walt Disney himself was gay?

    American Idol might be a family show, but guess what. In every family there is a gay person. Maybe closeted, or maybe they are the relative that the family whispers about, why aunt ida, or uncle will never married, etc, maybe even out and proud, but there is probably no family in America that doesn’t have a gay relative, whether it’s a cousin, second cousin. That is just the way it is.

    ETA: If there is porn, of course he will get the boot. I mean porn of any kind would be the kiss of death for any contestant. As it should be. But why do you think that Adam has porn out there?

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    But why do you think that Adam has porn out there?

    Good question. A few harmless Burning Man pics hardly suggests the likelihood of a porn video. I can’t imagine someone who’s successful on the LA theater scene needing to do porn… unless they just wanted to do it. Adam doesn’t strike me as someone who would risk that.

    But yeah, that would kill the deal. I doubt the producers would have let him go this far AND still be a favorite. And you know they know everything. Even if they pretend they don’t.

  • brownstarz

    Wonder if any comparison can be made to Rufus Wainwright? Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s very talented, very good looking and VERY out. I do wonder what effect that has had on his career.

    Like Mika and Freddie Mercury and Bowie, Rufus Wainwright is huge and mainstream in Europe, but not mainstream in America. I know it partially has to do with Rufus’ off-beat musical stylings, but I think it also has to do with Rufus being an out and proud gay male that makes him not a big mainstream hit here.

    This is one of my concerns about Adam.

  • NOLA

    This isn’t about Adam’s private life. These photos were taken on the street, in front of photographers, not in his bedroom. Adam is an exhibitionist in his lifestyle and his musical theatre style, so yeah, I think there are lots of porn vids out there and it’s just a matter of time before they surface.

    As much as I like him, I don’t know how far he can last in this competition. The further he gets to the crown, the more will come out. It will be an interesting season, to say the least. LOL

  • abbysee

    Ugh, so I guess it’s just better to be a little bit gay, or ambiguously gay in America. Crap!

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    These photos were taken on the street, in front of photographers, not in his bedroom. Adam is an exhibitionist in his lifestyle and his musical theatre style, so yeah, I think there are lots of porn vids out there and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just a matter of time before they surface.

    Plenty of people take those sorts of pictures “on the street” (straight and gay) and don’t do porn. That’s a huge leap in logic. Just sayin.

    Those were pics of his (ex?)boyfriend, Brad. They were labeled Bradam. Cute!

  • CSFan

    I don’t forsee much of a scandal beyond the pics being posted and talked about online. There’s nothing about the pictures that will bother AI as long as the guy he is tongue kissing isn’t 15 years old.

    I disagree with the person who says VFTW exists to “destroy people”. That seems a bit dramatic. To snark is not to destroy. Who have they ruined? Nobody. They just aren’t very reverent of AI or the chosen ones from the show. It isn’t everybody’s cup of tea there but it’s hardly some evil, horrible place and most posters there seem pretty nice as long as you don’t fantard or troll. *shrug*

  • NOLA

    Why is it everyone lumps you either totally left or right? I am à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and I have loved Adam from the beginning and have known from the beginning he was gay. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m Christian too, so I guess I am really bucking that sterotype.

    Ditto, Ditto. Looks to me like it’s the conservatives who will keep Adam alive. LOL

  • wonderings

    Plenty of people take those sorts of pictures à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“on the streetà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (straight and gay) and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do porn. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a huge leap in logic. Just sayin.

    Yes, I don’t understand that ginormous leap from french kiss pictures to imminent pr0n video release either. It seems like unfounded speculation that can only hurt a contestant’s chances.

    Is the implication that purple haired persons are more likely to be purveyors of impropriety?

  • NOLA

    Just wait. It’s coming. LOL

  • cay

    He’s kissing his boyfriend at an event for free expression. That’s outrageous to go from that to porn.

    Miley Cyrus is 100x more the exhibitionist. Are you at all familiar with what kids put on the web? Adam is disney compared to a lot of what’s out there from normal kids.

  • BetterChicken

    Yeah it was pretty obvious he was gay..
    *shrugs* but so what I’ll still vote for him because he is my favorite.I really,really hope this doesn’t hurt his chances of AI.

  • JudyOhio

    I was one that didn’t like his tongue coming out like it did when he’d sing the glory notes, but I never thought his tongue would become an issue associated with….er….”the pictures.” Adam! I knew that tongue was going to get you in trouble!, lol. Seriously though, imo this latest buzz with picture proof will probably bring him down if the buzz gets big enough and loud enough. He’s certainly a good singer and entertainer, but I don’t think “the family show” will be too happy about this if/when it gets out of hand. I can see damage control brainstorming sessions going on in the background with TPTB even as we discuss this. Good point about the Disney association Lera, I hadn’t thought of that until you mentioned it. It’s going to be VERY interesting to watch all of this play out.

  • ILOVEDC

    I just wanted to say, it’s old news about him being gay & who cares.
    he is one of my favorites, very talented guy.
    now we all know that the media will look for anything on any of these contestants.
    I look at it as, you are who you are.
    you like him or not
    so we’ll have to how far he goes, I think he’s got things in store for us & will make it far
    my opinion

  • Grammie Kari

    I would say AI isn’t ready for a Gay winner; however, they may play this out well into the TOP 5.

    Adam is sure pretty. Adorable.

  • weareallinnocent

    If he knew that the photos could be viewed by anyone and, even when he started doing well in the competition, did he think that he really didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care if the whole world saw the pictures? That situation would make me pass a little judgment. (Do I love an exhibitionist American Idol?) Hmm.

    Maybe. But, what about the opposite, wouldn’t it be worse for him to scurry around trying to erase any evidence of who he is? That hits me as the anti-Adam, not to mention the very thing that causes a great deal more backlash in the end (see Clay, David Hernandez, Antonella, etc…) While he may have underestimated the bigotry still prevalent in the US, I don’t equate that as exhibitionism, or even unequivocal indifference on his part. I, for one, am proud and happy for him that he is comfortable being himself, and that he has at times enjoyed the freedom to express himself and who he loves, openly.

    As for Disney… I seem to remember that Disney received and withstood A LOT of heat (including boycotting) a decade or so ago because they provided health benefits to employees and their “partners.” Disney, IIRC, publicly broke new ground a bit on that issue. I’m not saying that this is the same, I’m simply noting that Disney is not naive, and historically, have not been total bigots.

  • chickiwi

    If pornographic video shows up, then I could see AI giving him the executive boot.

    Ya gotta know ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s out there and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s coming.

    Just wait. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s coming. LOL

    Are you stating a fact or making an Assumption?

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Plus, Disney sponsors this every year. They aren’t as homophobic as you might think…

  • abbysee

    Plus, Disney sponsors this every year. They arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t as homophobic as you might thinkà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    That’s my birthday week. I bet it would be a blast. Gay days, lurves it!

  • snuffles

    Even if a sex tape does show up (and I highly doubt it), anything Adam did in his personal life would not be grounds for disqualification. Take Antonella from Season 6, those racy pics were private ones taken by her boyfriend. Therefore the show had no issue with them.

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    I think that if there was porn out there they would know by now also, Like they did with that black woman a few seasons back, Frenchie? Was that her name? At least I hope so because that most definitely would be too much for me too for sure. I hope something like that doesnt pop up because I sure do like him, so far

  • Hoppy

    I’m trying to figure out a way to respond to NOLA without “lecturing”. LOL.

    Yeah… I got nothing. :)

    But having a picture of a person kissing another person is not a straight line to porn. Nor does it even mean someone is an exhibitionist. Believe me. I know from experience.

  • dcisluv

    Was this a secret?

    I love the purple hair.

    He still sucks.

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    “Plus, Disney sponsors this every year. They arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t as homophobic as you might thinkà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦”

    OH YES, thats right, I remember the big stink back when they started doing this, a certain church group was sending out emails and all sorts of literature demanding that people ban Disneyland because they sponsored gays. So, yes, MJ you are right they are not homophobic.

  • chickiwi

    He still sucks.

    :devil_tb:

  • Suzanne

    wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it be worse for him to scurry around trying to erase any evidence of who he is?

    To me, taking down pictures from a website you intend to be viewed by friends but the public has access to, is real different from backing into the closet. I think if he’d taken down the pictures it wouldn’t have been hidding; it would have been protecting his privacy/his kissing partner’s privacy.

    Was this a secret?

    I love the purple hair.

    He still sucks.

    Best post of the thread so far. Really laughed.

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    “Just wait. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s coming. LOL”

    I have been thinking about this and why, just because a person is gay, does that mean they have done porno? The roles he has portrayed in the theater werent even created by him, he played these roles. There are sickos out there gay or straight that do porno but a lot of people still think that because someones lifestyle is crazy or different than theirs that they must be a sicko and up to doing porno so, look out it is a comin? He just might have filmed himself and a lover privately like a lot of people do for themselves but i dont think he seems likely to be into porno? I sure hope I am not proved wrong and that if he does have some personal stuff out there it stays personal.

  • brownstarz

    Speaking of Adam’s Idol chances being hurt if he had a secret porn out there…isn’t the new producer of AI this season an ex gay porn star? lol. :jittery_tb:

  • Natasha

    Because of that picture someone thinks he has porn videos on the internet? Give me a break.

  • Grammie Kari

    He just might have filmed himself and a lover privately like a lot of people do for themselves but i dont think he seems likely to be into porno? I sure hope I am not proved wrong and that if he does have some personal stuff out there it stays personal.

    This is exactly what I was thinking, Sumi. I do hope the film(s) does not show up if it was actually done privately.

    Antonella from Season 6, those racy pics were private ones taken by her boyfriend.

    Those particular photos didn’t bother me. However, the semi-professional photo shoot taken at the World War II Memorial had me up in arms. Yes, I did write a couple Emails protesting those photos. Common sense and respect were the issue.

    The photos we have seen of Adam and his (ex)boyfriend do not bother me.

  • Victoria

    Speaking of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Idol chances being hurt if he had a secret porn out thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the new producer of AI this season an ex gay porn star? lol.

    Gay porn producer, I think.

    I honestly doubt Adam’s done any porn. There are plently of people who have taken pictures kissing their boyfriend/girlfriend and the majority of them haven’t, either. The pictures don’t make it any more likely that he has or hasn’t.

    I’m not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Adam removed 12 pictures from his account today. At least some of them were the ones with Brad. I wonder if that was his decision or TPTB. I’m guessing it’s the latter.

  • catdog

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Adam removed 12 pictures from his account today. At least some of them were the ones with Brad. I wonder if that was his decision or TPTB. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m guessing ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the latter.

    It was probably because of Brad not wanting his pics out there.

  • sunchick

    Plus, Disney sponsors this every year. They arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t as homophobic as you might thinkà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Yup, and Gay Days is actually a bigger moneymaker for the Mouse than Super Soap Weekend and ESPN Sports Fantasy Weekend combined. Cha ching.

    Oh, and to the pictures..I’ve tried to do that smudgy magenta shadow thing and it did not turn out like that. *is jealous*

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Yup, and Gay Days is actually a bigger moneymaker for the Mouse than Super Soap Weekend and ESPN Sports Fantasy Weekend combined. Cha ching.

    Walt Disney is probably turning over in his grave. But who cares? LOL.

  • snuffles

    Who’s willing to bet Adam will host & perform at Disney’s Gay Days next year!?

  • ptslittlecomment

    ^^^^ From the look of Danny N.’s videos it is better than headlining on one of Rosie’s Family Cruises.

  • Victoria

    It was probably because of Brad not wanting his pics out there.

    Could be, but it seems more of an Idol thing to do to remove pictures that are already posted all over the internet, haha. I would like to think Brad has more common sense than that, but hey… you never know!

  • ordinarygirl09

    edit: you totally need to read my guidelines

    Idol is not going to get rid of Adam because he is gay. Who the heck cares if he is, he is happy so why does it matter? The show is about singing, there have been other gay contestants and they were not told to leave.

  • rockvixen

    dcisluv …

    Quit your bashing of Adam you even do it on American Idol boards there are plenty of us that do like Adam. So please be considerate of us who like him. You are being ignorant.

  • rockvixen

    Just because Adam is gay you think he’s done porn? What ignorant people on here.

  • OverTheRainbow

    I agree with ordinarygirl09, Clay was gay, he got to the final 2.

  • chickiwi

    A good example of how to publicly acknowledge a “non-issue.”
    VH1–you give me hope…

    “Best Day Ever – March 2nd” VH1

  • LeBaggeLady

    All I know is that Adam is the most talented contestant ever. Other than that, who cares…he seems like a nice person.

  • swing

    Who gives a chit about all this crap… I don’t care if he does chickens in the morning and kisses horse ass in the evenings……… THE POINT IS HE SINGS AND SINGS HIS ASS OFF… HE’S THE BEST BY FAR…KUDOS TO YOU ADAM, WELL DONE AND HAVE A GREAT LIFE !!!