Adam Lambert: The Grammar and Spelling Challenged Complain to the FCC

You might find this amusing–a website called Why Not Glambert has obtained letters sent to the FCC from people complaining about Adam Lambert’s American Music Award’s performance.

And, as you might figure, some of the letters are pretty hilarious–filled with hilarious grammar and spelling errors. I love America! And the Freedom of Information Act!

I’ve always maintained that the whole deal was much ado about nothing.   I was more offended by the less than stellar performance from Adam than the sexual stuff, so I have to say it’s somewhat amusing to read these letter from peeps who clearly have their panties in a bunch.

Check out all the letters right here. A couple of them are homophobic, but most of them are from folks who are completely freaked out by the sexual innuendo, that included crotch grabbing, kissing, S&M, etc.

A couple of examples after the jump…

DO SOMETHING NOW CAUSE IT IS OUT OF CONTROL
Please note that we watched ABC American Music Awards and I could not beleive what I had to watch with my 11, 13, and 16 year old. We had to send my son to bed who actually opted to goto bed because he was disturbed, my 16 year old who was disgusted, and my 13 year old who really does not like Adam Lambert. This was not tasteful watching another man go down on him, macking out with a person who was either a man or a woman, touching the croutch, um 50 cent contenstly being bleeped out, omg R U KIDDING this was not good. I cannot beleive that they are not going to be fined for this behavior. I am not a fan of Howard Stern but this was crossing the line and I will not watch this event again. i cannot believe that this was on national televeicion that this was on ABC and not MTV. You should be imbarrassed that you control this tv. Enough is enough. Where did the television standards go. Guess what there is none. Please make this stop and go back to better family standards. Cause this had NONE.

This writer will NEVER watch ABC again. You are the police of TV DO SOMETHING NOW CAUSE IT IS OUT OF CONTROL, and guess what Bitch is not a word it is a curse. We had 10 people here and they all felt the same thing as we did. We are not a Religious family but we instill family practices. and ABC does not. We are looking for a response.

Truely Disguisted
Adam Lambert performance. It was a porno with clothes on. I was watching with my child and I cannot believe that he was allowed to do that on tv. He had men and women sticking theeir faces in his crotch and at one point rubbed a girls crotch. It was very inappropriate for prime time network television and I am truely disguisted!!

COMPLAINANT RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THAT THE FCC ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THIS COMPLAINT, AND THAT THE FCC KEEP ME INFORMED OF THE PROGRESS AND RESULTS OF YOUR INVESTIGATION INTO THIS MATTER.

A lewd bisexual performance
The final act of the program was a lewd bisexual performance by Adam Lambert. During his performance he placed a males head in his genital area, rubbed his hand across a female’s genital area, and wildly kissed a male. THIS WAS CLEARLY OBSENE AND INAPPROPRIATE FOR BROADCAST TELEVISION. Please tell me that the level of acceptable content on television has not been lowered to include the perverse actions of immoral individuals.
Posted by Leonard at 5:36 PM 0 comments

  • tierbee

    Complaints are *so* much more credible if they don’t sound like they came from an 8 yr old. It’s tough being a proofreader, I tell ya.

  • unique28v

    Oh goodness! I hope the children of these people attend good schools so that they can properly learn the english language. Some of these letters are truely comical. Its really hard to take them seriously, which is why I’m a little surprised that ABC/FCC did.

  • Kate8

    The first letter is ridiculous if someone doesn’t turn off the TV during a performance that disturbed them and their kids IMO they probably loved the performance and feel guilty for getting pleasure from it.

  • Sassycatz

    Well, since I’ve been taken to task for making comments about grammar and spelling, I’m not going to accept the invitation to comment on these particular people because they are supposedly rubes.

    I will say that I, too, hate when “singers” are grabbing their crotches while performing. I didn’t like it when Michael Jackson or anyone else pre-Lambert did it, so why would I like it now?

  • Mtlfan

    i wouldn’t go to war for this because it’s not very important but i haven’t changed my mind that his behavior was inappropriate at the AMA.
    And it’s completely lame that this site is mocking people upsets as conveyed by those letters. It’s so snobbish to mock grammar errors

  • Mtlfan

    I will say that I, too, hate when “singers” are grabbing their crotches while performing. I didn’t like it when Michael Jackson or anyone else pre-Lambert did it, so why would I like it now?

    well said Sassycatz. I’m turned off by ANY artist who tries to shove his sex stuff on me. It’s really not that i’m scandalized it’s just that it is inappropriate and seems to follow an agenda that i don’t agree with

  • aa618892

    That picture of Adam and Tommy is hot. The AMA debacle was worth it just to get these pics! LOL!

  • unique28v

    And it’s completely lame that this site is mocking people upsets as conveyed by those letters. It’s so snobbish to mock grammar errors

    I do not think this site is snobbish at all.

    I do not think anyone should send letters/emails to official establishments with that type of grammar and spelling. That is inappropriate as well. Can you imagine sending a cover letter like that to a potential employer? Would they be snobbish to disregard it based on its presentation? Presentation is very important.

  • Sassycatz

    I have no problem with performers being sexy. I just don’t find *that* sexy. Too me, *it’s* low brow. Like bump and grind burlesque.

  • maturin

    I love the inadvertent creative whimsey–it’s like awesome freeform verse.

    THIS WAS CLEARLY OBSENE
    DO SOMETHING NOW CAUSE IT IS OUT OF CONTROL
    touching the croutch
    omg R U KIDDING this was not good
    You are the police of TV
    and guess what
    Bitch is not a word
    it is a curse.

    See? Poetry.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    NO personal attacks please.

  • Mtlfan

    And it’s completely lame that this site is mocking people upsets as conveyed by those letters. It’s so snobbish to mock grammar errors

    I do not think this site is snobbish at all.

    I do not think anyone should send letters/emails to official establishments with that type of grammar and spelling. That is inappropriate as well. Can you imagine sending a cover letter like that to a potential employer? Would they be snobbish to disregard it based on its presentation? Presentation is very important.

    agree with you that good spelling is important. But my point is that site used the spelling errors to make those people even more wrong. No? Sorry, i disagree with this kind of attitude and it’s also snobbish in my opinion.
    And it would be snobbish (for the FCC or whatever acronym it is..) to disregard the content because of the presentation (..it’s not a letter to an employer in which i agree with you that it could well be discarded in that case).

  • HannaB4

    I think the kissing pics and gifs are hot too! But to stay on topic…I find all of this very entertaining. :)

  • caroleinfla

    Well, I know they received more letters than the site showed. I know of 4 people that also wrote letters. Maybe, their English was not bad enough? If I had written one, I would have been the worse speller and had the worse English.
    I don’t like looking at the picture of 2 men kissing on your front page mj. But, it’s your site.

  • bridgette12

    Thou shall proofread before sending a letter to the FCC, the eleventh commandment.

  • JazzRocks

    The spelling is bad; the grammar is bad. But the real problem I have is that all these people seemed to be able to get through the entire show (even the family with children) without being offended enough to turn it off. Until Adam performed. Didn’t they get a hint from Janet Jackson, Eminem, etc.?

  • PattyP

    I do not think anyone should send letters/emails to official establishments with that type of grammar and spelling. That is inappropriate as well. Can you imagine sending a cover letter like that to a potential employer?

    It is unnecessary for an e-mail protesting a TV performance to be completely grammatically correct or to have perfect spelling. I’m sure the FCC can understand the letters even when they are not perfectly written. People who were offended may have come from all walks of life, and some may not have the best grammar and spelling, but they have as much of a right to complain as someone like you who would take a lot of time to make sure everything was perfect before you sent in your e-mail.

    I get e-mails all the time from people from work that are full of typos and grammar errors. If I let that stop me from reading them, I’d have a lot of free time on my hands.

    I’m an English major who edits and proofreads for a living, but even I don’t hold people to the standard you’re preaching here. When people are upset, they are less likely to pay attention to these things, and that doesn’t negate their right to say them. (And I think it is snobbish of that site and this one to mock such people.)

  • gingerly

    I seriously hope the FCC doesn’t take a red pencil to each letter they receive from the public. I’m sure they have some hearty laughs over some of them too. I do think, however, that they should take them seriously. They are charged by Congress to be the watchdog over interstate communications. They are not charged to determine the validity of a person’s complaint based on said person’s grammar or spelling. I don’t find it anything like a headhunter. When applying for employment where grammar and spelling are an integral part of the position, an application and resume should be perfect. When applying for a job as a welder, I don’t think it matters so much. Ultimately, none of these people were applying for a job. And that’s just my opinion.

  • incarcerate

    not a fan of the pic…not my bag…not a fan of AL either….blah

  • HermeticallySealed

    I’ll never understand this mentality. Never. The show was never advertised as family friendly, nor were most of the acts family friendly. Don’t like something, turn it off, but why force others to adjust to what you want in such an easily handled matter? Really just egocentric thinking there.

    As for two guys kissing. We have as much right to kiss as straight’s do. What’s good for the goose and all that.

  • JOJOSIE

    Were these people watching the whole show? I personally thought that Shakira won the prize for low brow, bump and grind burlesque. Nudity and simulated sex acts by woman seem to fly with the audience, but not a fully clothed man. Saying that I personally would like to see less sexual content in music performances by all sexes. I wasn’t shocked however by his dance moves but by his singing. I’d love to see and hear Adam in person.

  • sr4mjc

    I can see I need to get some popcorn today.

    Love the Tommy/Adam pic. Hot!

    Nothing to do with Adam per se, but what agenda do sexual performers have? Gosh, humans really should stop having sex, it’s the downfall of humanity. Wait…

  • ptslittlecomment

    The spelling is bad; the grammar is bad. But the real problem I have is that all these people seemed to be able to get through the entire show (even the family with children) without being offended enough to turn it off. Until Adam performed. Didn’t they get a hint from Janet Jackson, Eminem, etc.?

    ITA!!!!!!!

    And the show was rated TV 14. They can’t say they were not warned

    TV-14
    (Parents Strongly Cautioned — This program contains some material that many parents would find unsuitable for children under 14 years of age.)

    Parents are strongly urged to exercise greater care in monitoring this program and are cautioned against letting children of any age watch unattended. This rating may be accompanied by any of the following sub-ratings:

    D for intensely suggestive dialogue
    L for strong coarse language
    S for intense sexual situations
    V for intense violence

  • rfb

    I must say, grammer really isn’t the issue, but it is sad to look at.
    The issue is that Adam made a mistake with his actions on a family
    oriented (think I spelled that right) network. Children were watching. Most families really do not want their children watching sexual actions such as this. If Adam wants to act like that then he should do that on HBO, Showtime, Max, to name a few. Parents trust ABC, CBS, Fox, and most of NBC for their childrens entertainment. There are also adults that watch these networks due to clean entertainment.
    If making fun of the grammar is the excuse to run these people down because they are angry about it, then that is sad also: (

  • HermeticallySealed

    I must say, grammer really isn’t the issue, but it is sad to look at.
    The issue is that Adam made a mistake with his actions on a family
    oriented (think I spelled that right) network. Children were watching. Most families really do not want their children watching sexual actions such as this. If Adam wants to act like that then he should do that on HBO, Showtime, Max, to name a few. Parents trust ABC, CBS, Fox, and most of NBC for their childrens entertainment. There are also adults that watch these networks due to clean entertainment.
    If making fun of the grammar is the excuse to run these people down because they are angry about it, then that is sad also: (

    Well, the problem with this is that it wasn’t a family friendly show, period. Nor is ABC a sexuality free channel (Desperate Housewives, Greys Anatomy, Brothers and Sisters, hell, every Soap). As it was, it was also 10c/11e, now, when I was in school, even high school I was in bed by 9 or 9:30 on school nights. Why are these supposedly good moral parents letting their young children stay up so late on a school night to watch a show filled with multiple sexually charged performances?

  • agathe.hb

    caroleinfla, I do respect your opinion, but if there were two women kissing, would it be more bearable for you?

  • KLI

    THIS WAS CLEARLY OBSENE
    DO SOMETHING NOW CAUSE IT IS OUT OF CONTROL
    touching the croutch
    omg R U KIDDING this was not good
    You are the police of TV
    and guess what
    Bitch is not a word
    it is a curse.

    See? Poetry.

    Thanks for the laugh!! This reminds me of the William Shatner parody of Sarah Palin where he recites her answer to an interview question as free verse poetry. It was on SNL–here’s a link.

    Maybe Shatner could do the same thing for these complaints.

    FWIW, I’m like many of you, I don’t care for crotch grabbing et al in other performers, but I make a HUGE exception for Adam. Love his hypersexualized performances (as well as the ones that are not like this), so I can understand your point of view.

    I just don’t have that same point of view with Adam. He’s special, and I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who applies a double standard in this way to his performances. Hehe.

  • KathyH

    Um. So, people posted complaints with the FCC about AL’s AMA performance, and then someone in AL’s camp requested info. about the complaints which they posted on an AL blog? Don’t like the privacy infringements in this act.

    And as a former proofreader, I’ll just say that yes, folks should edit their letters well before sending them. If my kids didn’t already have decent editing skills, I might use this as an example of ‘why.’ Ahem.

    (Edited to correct the fact I should have checked before posting. Heh.)

  • mr

    I don’t like looking at the picture of 2 men kissing on your front page mj. But, it’s your site.

    then don’t look- a kiss between two human beings is not obscene as far as I know

  • auntieaimee

    That kiss looked like it hurt. Mashing faces together is not hot.

  • agathe.hb

    as for the grammar and spelling – well, I am an ESL teacher, so I have no problem with grammatical or spelling errors. What is funny, though, is, as some of people here have pointed out, that even though the show was rated PG 14 they still complained about “protecting the children”. To me it is much more disturbing watching violence on TV on daily basis, just saying.

  • mmb

    What is funny, though, is, as some of people here have pointed out, that even though the show was rated PG 14 they still complained about “protecting the children”. To me it is much more disturbing watching violence on TV on daily basis, just saying.

    ITA. And somehow these offended viewers and their children managed to make it all the way thru the show without turning off the TV

  • KLI

    touching the croutch

    This is the funniest spelling error to me. Touching the “croutch.” That’s funny. Come on, even if you agree with the sentiment, it IS funny to spell it that way.

    It was a porno with clothes on.

    This is my other favorite. How do they know it was a porno? Just wondering. Have they ever watched porn? Ahem.

    OK, gotta stop now.

  • Miss Chaos

    So women can have sexual actions on a TV14 rated show early in the evening. The last act of the nite was explained that you wont believe what you are about to see, The people round their kids up and say you saw all the women do sexual acts, just wait kiddies till you see what Adam is gonna do. A male doing sexual acts, oh wait you cant see that, Im gonna write the FCC kiddies, cause I am so fuckin mad at what I made you watch, I can even type or spell right. I dont have time to proofread my comments because I am soooo mad I made you watch this late at nite while you should have been in bed. Sorry kiddies go to bed and dream of all the women doing their sexual acts, I will take care of this.

  • mmb

    Um. So, people posted complaints with ABC about AL’s AMA performance, and then someone in AL’s camp requested info. about the complaints which they posted on an AL blog? Don’t like the privacy infringements in this act

    .

    No, these are complaints to the FCC which are a matter of public record and anyone can make a FOIA request and obtain them. No invasion of privacy. Its all public.

  • bridgette12

    It’s a TV-14 show, that clearly mean that there might be material unsuitable for children. I mean people set through Janet, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, and Eminem, and then were upset by Adam. Music Award shows are not for children’ts entertainment, it’s adult entertainment. If you are expecting something like he teen choice awards, then your are very naive. People have different concepts of what’s offensive and I understand that. But having said that, it’s not the responsibility of the government to ensure that your children don’t see anything inappropriate of a TV-14 show. It should be the parents job to monitor their children, not the government.

  • unique28v

    I get e-mails all the time from people from work that are full of typos and grammar errors.

    At my job, we get called in when emails are sent out full of typos.

  • KathyH

    MMB — thanks. I caught my error before reading your clarification.

    Yes, I understand that it was legal to obtain that info. Doesn’t make me happy to know that is is, in fact, legal to publicize letters that were probably considered more private by the writers.

  • IdolThoughts

    Parents should not have let their children watch the AMA’s. As a parent, it is MY job and no one else’s to filter what he sees. The other performances were racy and were also inappropriate for children. If my child did see it, I would use the opportunity to ask him how it made him feel and if he had any questions. Perhaps it would be a good time to discuss the choices that Adam made in that performance and where they came from. Ultimately, if he was disturbed or confused by it, it would be a result of my inability to filter the content and NOT Adam Lambert’s or ABC’s. It was on very late and as previously stated, the other stuff was just as inappropriate if not worse. I believe Eminem’s was much worse. These letters further illustrate the ignorance of a select group of people that are using Adam Lambert’s performance as a platform to spew hate and reinforce their homophobia and close-mindedness. They deserve to have their letters mocked, not for grammar, but for content.

  • terps

    This is what is wrong with American TV. We are to guarded and conservative, in other countries you would probably see this kind of performance and it would be no problem.

  • unique28v

    It’s a TV-14 show, that clearly mean that there might be material unsuitable for children. I mean people set through Janet, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, and Eminem, and then were upset by Adam.

    This is my issue with the whole thing. If you have a problem with people showcasing their sexuality fine, but have a problem with all displays of it. To say its ok with Janet, Rihanna, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Eminem, etc. to do it, but have a problem with Adam to me is being hypocritical.

    I have a friend who didn’t like Adam’s performance and thought it was inappropriate, but then he thought they all were. I don’t necessarily agree with him but I respect the fact that he hates it across the board. I hate that cherry picking business.

  • ptslittlecomment

    “Parents trust ABC, CBS, Fox, and most of NBC for their childrens entertainment. There are also adults that watch these networks due to clean entertainment.”

    Networks have had sexual innuendo (if not stronger) for sometime now.
    Ever watch Two and A Half Men? Desperate Housewives?The movie Grease is frequently shown on ABC Family Channel, ever closely listen to the lyrics of “Greased Lightening”?
    Adam and Tommy’s kiss wasn’t even the first network kiss between two men, that happened on the teenage saga Dawson’s Creek and again on Will and Grace. (The very first between two men on TV is said to have been on The Today Show among two audience members) How is it that parents think they can “trust” networks (in the business of making money) to uphold the values of their particular family?
    Again, there was a lot of sexual content in the AMA broadcast but it didn’t seem to offend the masses until the very end.
    I agee with MJ, it is all Much Ado About Nothing. The sad part is Adam’s vocal performance wasn’t up to par.

  • LindaT

    JazzRocks
    01/06/2010 at 11:51 am
    But the real problem I have is that all these people seemed to be able to get through the entire show (even the family with children) without being offended enough to turn it off. Until Adam performed. Didn’t they get a hint from Janet Jackson, Eminem, etc.?

    Totally agree. Janet Jackson grabbed her own crotch and the crotch of a male dancer (at 8:00 p.m., no less) and no complaints. Adam does the same thing at 10:55 p.m., and it’s obscene? And as another poster pointed out, the show was rated TV-14, so the audience was warned upfront.

    One other thing that really bothers me is that the Adam/Tommy kiss is also being characterized by letterwriters as “obscene”. Why would someone consider a kiss between two men obscene? The bigotry sickens me.

  • carttash

    Just when I thought the AMA aftermath was all going to fade away. And I hate that I am seeing google alerts today on this topic. My heartbeat goes up really high whenever I see the letters AMA associated with Adam’s name…lol

    I am one of those that like the photo :)

  • KLI

    Parents trust ABC, CBS, Fox, and most of NBC for their childrens entertainment. There are also adults that watch these networks due to clean entertainment.

    One Life to Live recently aired a daytime episode with a gay sex scene. Note: “gay sex scene”–NOT fully clothed performance at night with some simulated sexual activity.

    Not sure which network, but it was one of these. Daytime is definitely the family hour, and the episode was played at a time when many children were likely home during the day for winter break. I didn’t watch the episode, but I can pretty much guarantee that Adam was wearing more clothes during his performance at the AMA’s than the two men in this soap opera were wearing. LOL.

  • mmb

    Parents trust ABC, CBS, Fox, and most of NBC for their childrens entertainment

    Really?????? I am a parent and I would not “trust” any networks post 9 pm programming for my children’s entertainment. It is predominantly adult-themed shows, with lots of sex and/or violence. Not chidren’s programming. In what universe did ABC advertise the AMAs as family fare? It was rated pg-14. I completely reject any argument that the networks are somehow supposed to be in loco parentis and make sure that all of their programming is appropriate for children to watch.

  • unique28v

    Networks have had sexual innuendo (if not stronger) for sometime now. Ever watch Two and A Half Men?

    Don’t get me started on two and a half men. People are in an uproar about Adam’s performance but its ok that Charlie Sheen allegedly put a knife up to his wife’s throat in addition to his previous domestic abuse charges. That subject hasn’t received half the media scrutiny that Adam has received.

    Why are people so offended by sex moreso than violence? I don’t get it.

  • riaspark17

    “ITA. And somehow these offended viewers and their children managed to make it all the way thru the show without turning off the TV”

    Would also like to point out that Adam’s performance came AFTER the last award was given. If they were so offended, why didn’t they turn off the TV? It’s not like they’d be missing anything.

  • Mary102

    I don’t like looking at the picture of 2 men kissing on your front page mj. But, it’s your site.

    Lol – funny, I was just about to comment, thank you, MJ, for using that photo for this article ;-) Different strokes, ‘n all.

  • KLI

    One other thing that really bothers me is that the Adam/Tommy kiss is also being characterized by letterwriters as “obscene”. Why would someone consider a kiss between two men obscene? The bigotry sickens me.

    ITA. The kiss should TOTALLY be taken off the drawing board with regard to any alleged obscenity issue.

    ETA: Yeah, I’m among the group that likes the kiss. Tommy does appear to have his mouth completely closed, so if you look closely (not that I would do so), it does appear a little strange.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    I’ve always maintained that the whole deal was much ado about nothing. I was more offended by the less than stellar performance from Adam than the sexual stuff,

    Ha! Me, too. Well, not so much offended as disappointed.

    I could care less about the grammar in the letters (although I find it difficult to believe the first one was actually written by a parent old enough to have teenagers. Too much teen/child speak in that one.) Also, I could also care less if people were offended by the sexual acts. I’m not saying they were wrong to be offended. That’s a personal thing. People are entitled to their views, providing those people don’t tell me that I MUST be offended as well, or that, since I can’t be trusted to protect my own child from such horrors as sex on TV after 9 p.m., the government needs to step in and do it.

    Parents trust ABC, CBS, Fox, and most of NBC for their childrens entertainment.

    Now, that’s something I find inappropriate, not to mention incorrect. I, personally, don’t know and have never known a single parent who “trusts” any networks (except maybe PBS and Nickelodeon) for child-friendly viewing. Of course, I’ve known and still know plenty of parents who let their children watch whatever they want on television. But, it has nothing at all to do with “trusting the networks.”

  • agathe.hb

    well, for me, it was WAY MORE DISTURBING, when Miley Cirus’ semi naked photograph was published on the cover of Vanity Fair, or the “artsy” photos with her father – THIS IS DISBURBING to me, not two consenting guys kissing each other….

  • justshootme

    They deserve to have their letters mocked, not for grammar, but for content.

    Beautifully and succinctly stated. ITA.

    And I know the “h word” is controversial around here, but I just don’t see how anyone who sat through 3 hours of the AMAs could have suddenly been offended by this performance for any other reason.

  • Planet Fierce

    Miss Chaos
    01/06/2010 at 12:23 pm
    So women can have sexual actions on a TV14 rated show early in the evening. The last act of the nite was explained that you wont believe what you are about to see, The people round their kids up and say you saw all the women do sexual acts, just wait kiddies till you see what Adam is gonna do. A male doing sexual acts, oh wait you cant see that, Im gonna write the FCC kiddies, cause I am so fuckin mad at what I made you watch, I can even type or spell right. I dont have time to proofread my comments because I am soooo mad I made you watch this late at nite while you should have been in bed. Sorry kiddies go to bed and dream of all the women doing their sexual acts, I will take care of this.

    Imma gonna give you a award fur this (tongue in cheek).

  • Mary102

    Why are people so offended by sex moreso than violence? I don’t get it.

    Very true – we remain a very bizarre, hypocritical, in some ways, strangely puritanical society. Just take our movies (and most of our entertainment): they have way more violence than your average foreign film, yet foreign films treat nudity (even in films with children) as not such a big deal. It’s somehow a lot more acceptable to see someone die a horrific death than it is to see too much skin (unless it’s just the right scantily clad woman doing something vaguely demeaning).

    Also reminds me of a great point made in the media after the ABC crap storm – I think it was the Washington Post, where they pointed out that during an 8pm episode of Cougartown, there was a BJ scene, and it was watched by many more children than the AMA performance. No FCC complaints there though.

  • didilynn

    It is disappointing to see so many grammar and spelling errors. Too bad these people weren’t helping their kids with their homework instead of letting them watch a “family” show such as the AMA’s. When my kids were under 16, they wouldn’t have been interested in watching a show like this.

    It still makes me angry that they singled Adam’s performance out. Janet grabbing a guys crotch, Shakira pelvic thrusting, and so on didn’t raise an eyebrow – perhaps it’s just a matter of what we are used to.

    If folks have a problem with any display of sexuality, I can understand – turn it off. But to accept the “display” only if it’s a woman or “heterosexual” type behavior, makes me very sad. Just illustrates how far we still have to go until there is equality.

    That kissing picture is very hot – it reminds me of a classic movie kiss. I think the more this picture is out there and seen, the less freaked out people will be by seeing it – at least I sincerely hope so.

  • agathe.hb

    terps

    This is what is wrong with American TV. We are to guarded and conservative, in other countries you would probably see this kind of performance and it would be no problem.
    you are absolutely right. I live in a very religiously conservative country, but sex is a part of our life and it does not hurt anybody – I remember watching semi-naked women from early on on TV, but my mother always sent me to bed, when a crime story was about to go on. I do the same with my daughter.

  • Planet Fierce

    My only real thought about the whole AMA performance is right in line with MJ. I actually thought the performance was HOT, but was sad and frustrated that he did not make a stellar impression vocally…he needed to do that for sure. I knew he would do something OTT performance wise, he just loves to shock us. That kiss is the best though for sure!

  • Miss Chaos

    I have to add that my husband was out of town when he watched and and not much invested in Idol, said to me, that Adam kissed a girl on TV, LOL I said no the girl was playing the keyboard. how many kids may have thought he was kissing a girl till the parents pointed out Oh my Adam kissed a guy. How awful!!!!!!!

  • KayGee

    Who said they didn’t like that kiss on the front page…that is so out of touch with todays reality. Gay and Lesbian people do inhabit this earth and they are not going away. Since I like Adam alot, whatever he does doesn’t offend me in the least.

    Now about that kiss – it looks more like a suction cup kiss to me, I don’t see Tommy’s mouth open at all, it looks like it was all for show (but again, I love Adam, so I could be making it into what I want it to be)…

  • SparklesATL

    auntieaimee
    01/06/2010 at 12:18 pm

    That kiss looked like it hurt. Mashing faces together is not hot.

    It doesn’t hurt if you’re having hot sex. Biting doesn’t hurt either. ;)

  • dior

    Jlo had a guy’s face in her crotch on ABC’s Rockin NYE and I wonder if the same people or same type of complainers filed a complaint about it. I doubt it! It was a more gentle face in crotch tho ;)

    I think it was the aggressive nature of Adam’s performance that ABC had taken issue with and the fact Adam didn’t perform like in rehearsals.

    I enjoyed the performance just not Adam’s singing.

  • agathe.hb

    KayGee, to me it seemed like an old type “Hollywood” kiss, when both parties just pretended to be kissing, but it still looked hot! :)
    I am all for hot kisses, no matter between whom :)
    violence, on the other hand…

  • Kanadie Bonttell

    I don’t like looking at the picture of 2 men kissing on your front page

    Would it be ok with you if it were a man & woman, or two women.

    That picture will go down in the history of music performance as one of the classics!

    I love that like 6 weeks later it is still getting people ass’d up. Long live shocking performances!

  • Mitla96

    It does bother me a little that this entry is making fun of these people’s grammar and spelling. They did have a right to complain, although personally I was MUCH more offended by Eminem’s performance-I actually did change the channel!

    And I think Adam is actually lucky that the iconic picture from this event is the Adam/Tommy kiss rather than the sim. oral sex pic. I agree with some of the other posters that the Adommy kiss pic is kinda hot, but it wouldn’t have mattered if Adam had grabbed a girl dancer for the oral sex move-it just was too much.

    The most offensive thing about the AMA performance for me was it just didn’t showcase the things about AL that are wonderful. I kinda wish that the fans, the non-fans, everyone would just let the AMA’s go out of the news cycle.

  • Gigi3

    ABC recently broadcast a gay love scene on One Life to Live, a daytime soap opera. This does confuse me as to their standards. Here’s the clip, which I think is lovely, by the way. ABC- villain or hero? Seems to be situational right now.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4vVKkSVCU

  • koshka

    A big *whatever* I’m so over the hypocrisy in this country. If I dwell on it anymore my head might explode. There are a lot of things you can complain about re: the AMA performance. Subpar singing… the aggressive nature… etc. but complaining about the crotch grabbing and the faux blow just sends me over the edge.

  • Mary102

    I love that like 6 weeks later it is still getting people ass’d up. Long live shocking performances!

    LOL – as much as I, like Adam, want to move beyond the AMAs (because there’s so much more to him than JUST that one freaking performance) – I have to admit I get a little more excited whenever I hear people get riled up about the AMAs.

    My twitter friends exploded after it: “That was disgusting! The worst thing I ever saw in my life” (from non-Adam AI fans, so no big loss there) – and all I could think was: “Sweeet!”

    I love me a little controversy too, and hope Adam never stops shocking every now and then (just not ALL the time, or else it’d get old ;-))

  • tiger92

    “I don’t like looking at the picture of 2 men kissing on your front page mj. But, it’s your site.”

    then don’t look- a kiss between two human beings is not obscene as far as I know

    No, it is not obscene! But for some reason CBS and the BW show either blurred the kiss or didn’t show it. (In fact, Barbara referred to it as “lewd”.)

    mr: ITA! If it offends you, don’t look!

  • LindaT

    Gigi3
    01/06/2010 at 1:14 pm
    ABC recently broadcast a gay love scene on One Life to Live, a daytime soap opera. This does confuse me as to their standards. Here’s the clip, which I think is lovely, by the way. ABC- villain or hero? Seems to be situational right now.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4vVKkSVCU

    I wonder how many complaints to the FCC were generated by this OLTL scene, especially since it aired during daytime hours over the holidays when kids could easily watch it. Haven’t seen anything in the media about it.

  • justshootme

    On the bright side, maybe constant exposure to this kissing pic will work to desensitize some of those who have issues with it. Fingers crossed.

  • Mainegal

    Kanadie Bonttell….That picture will go down in the history of music performance as one of the classics!

    I love that like 6 weeks later it is still getting people ass’d up. Long live shocking performances!

    YES!!…I love rock…and if it wasn’t for performers like Adam we’d all be forced to listen to songs about fireflies and butterfly kisses.

  • sallysimmons

    I’m just trying to get my head around the fact that someone went to the trouble of filing a ‘freedom of information’ request to get these letters.

    I guess it’s not like there’s anything else important going on in the world. Sheesh! Get a life.

  • sallysimmons

    during an 8pm episode of Cougartown, there was a BJ scene, and it was watched by many more children than the AMA performance. No FCC complaints there though.

    Oh I expect there were lots of letters about that. They get letters about everything! There just isn’t a blogger who’s that obsessed with Cougartown.

  • mr

    SparklesATL-

    I LOVE YOU!

    [but only in a very heterosexual, platonic (godly?) way...:-) ]

  • PattyH

    And I know the “h word” is controversial around here, but

    I just don’t see how anyone who sat through 3 hours of the AMAs

    could have suddenly been offended by this performance for any other reason.

    Well stated!

  • Hope07

    I think the majority of people have become okay with same sex kissing, or at least, I would hope so. I’m kind of indifferent to the whole AMA performance, but I can see where some might have had a problem with the angry tone of the performance combined with the sexuality.

    I do think, though, that those who were offended have the right to speak their minds. Who knows, maybe they did complain about some of the other acts as well.

    Maybe we need black and white parameters for what is acceptable on television. I agree about the violence. I’ve never enjoyed it, and to be honest, still turn anything with too much violence off. Hubby often ends up watching television alone. On the sexuality side, I think almost everything Adam did has been done before, but I can’t recall any face to crotch grinding on network tv before. Maybe that is one step too far? I also think that it kind of came from out of the blue. I know I wasn’t expecting it! I watched the youtube of the soap that had the gay sex scene, but it didn’t really show anything, just had lots of implications. Also, it was built up to so gradually that anyone watching should have had a pretty good idea of what was coming, thus being able to turn it off.

    I have to say, though, that I find it very juvenile and mean spirited to make fun of those complaints because of their grammar and spelling. In school, my best friend’s brother had a learning disability, and this is all too reminiscent of the cruel taunting he received.

    To clarify, I’m not directing the criticism at anyone here, just whoever requested the letters in the first place.

  • Mary102

    Oh I expect there were lots of letters about that. They get letters about everything! There just isn’t a blogger who’s that obsessed with Cougartown.

    Umm, well – I don’t know about you, but I didn’t hear one peep from the media about any controversy surrouding Cougartown, whereas you couldn’t get away from any mention of Adam and the AMAs for weeks. If there WAS a significant issue with Cougartown, I would venture that it might have made press too – since it didn’t, I’m guessing there were no significant complaints.

    The point is that one show was on at an earlier time, with way more kids watching, yet nothing was heard about those parents being offended by the “moral degredation on display” – while those issues WERE made about Adam and his performance.

  • Mainegal

    Just curious…how many complaints do you think ABC recieved re: hypocrisy compared to the 1500 recieved by FCC.

  • Mary102

    Mainegal, I wondered about that myself ;-) LOL – I know I sent two (hopefully proof-read) complaints to them – one after the GMA cancellation, and another after the Kimmel/NYRE cancellation – both mentioning the hypocricy, the constant pimping of Adam’s “eye popping”, “you’ll be talking about it the next day” performance.

  • Niall

    I’ll bet some of those letter writers live on some compound in Texas, surrounded by guns and convinced their government is conspiring against them. It all comes from the same mentality.

    I don’t get it though, with the FCC wackos and the OTT Adam fans all swearing up and down they’d never watch ABC again, why is ABC still on the air? LOL

  • HeidiL

    The tone of this entire post is not very nice. People are entitled to their opinions whether they can spell or not! While I have always admired Adam’s talent I was a bit upset about this performance. I am trying to teach my 13 year old son (who had DVRed the show while he was doing his homework btw) to be respectful of others. I don’t want him to grow up thinking that it is okay to grab other people’s crotches, force them to kiss you or force their heads into your crotch. In most states that is called sexual assault. Whether its being done by someone gay OR straight makes no difference.

  • Mainegal

    Mary102 I’m sure your letters matched the quality of your posts!! ( but I could really benefit if MJ would install “spell check”)

    My main gripe re: the AMAs is that it seems obvious that a veeery small minority was allowed to dictate to the majority… and though I totally respect the views of the people that were offended, that is unfair.

  • IdolThoughts

    I don’t want him to grow up thinking that it is okay to grab other people’s crotches, force them to kiss you or force their heads into your crotch. In most states that is called sexual assault. Whether its being done by someone gay OR straight makes no difference.

    It is NOT okay to do those things but the difference is that he wasn’t doing it on the street…it was a performance. There is a difference and surely the distinction can be made between life and performance art. What he did is completely in line with the lyrics of his song. None of the performers have filed complaints against Adam, so I assume that it was consensual. My other clue was that they were wearing bondage gear and crawling around on leashes. Again, it’s not real life.

  • glambert

    auntieaimee
    01/06/2010 at 12:18 pm
    That kiss looked like it hurt. Mashing faces together is not hot.

    I would love love love for someone to kiss me with that kind of ***passion***
    I volunteer to be Adam’s kissing partner any time of day or night.
    imo, that kiss is HOT!!!!!!

  • glambert

    HeidiL
    01/06/2010 at 2:28 pm
    I am trying to teach my 13 year old son (who had DVRed the show while he was doing his homework btw) to be respectful of others. I don’t want him to grow up thinking that it is okay to grab other people’s crotches, force them to kiss you or force their heads into your crotch. In most states that is called sexual assault. Whether its being done by someone gay OR straight makes no difference.

    @heidiL:
    I am curious HeidiL if you use the same type of caution with movies & games that depict violence? I am not being critical, just curious. And I do applaud you for teaching your son to respect others. Just wondering if it applies to all areas of life.

    As for the sexual actions you mentioned, I believe that in the context of entertainment and with willing participants, it is certainly not considered sexual assault. Sure, if Adam (or anyone!) did that to strangers on the street, I agree 100%, but not with performers who were hired to do a job they knew could be sexually explicit. And I am sure, based on Adam’s “past” they all knew what they were getting into when they signed up for the gig.

  • iluvai

    In the future when Adam performs on t.v., there should be a warning: “Caution, viewing this performance may result in loss of spelling skills and ability to put together a complete sentence.” LOL :)

  • AndreaH

    I think it was the aggressive nature of Adam’s performance that ABC had taken issue with and the fact Adam didn’t perform like in rehearsals.

    Well, for me, it was definitely the sexual aggressiveness of the entire performance which I found to be in poor taste. I wasn’t shocked by Adam’s performance but I was disappointed. Adam’s persona in the production came off as sinister and cruel to me, totally the opposite of sexy, and the choreography added to the violent sexually aggressive feel of the entire production. I don’t condone violent sex and I don’t think it’s healthy in any way so that’s one reason I was disappointed in Adam’s AMA performance. If it had been done with a wink and a smile similar to his FYE video it might have come off better. The other reasons I didn’t like his performance was his really poor singing and the overly ambitious/awkward choreography. I simply felt that he blew a golden opportunity to attract new fans of his music.

    Although the above is just my opinion, I don’t think I’m alone in my perception of Adam’s AMA performance. My reaction has nothing to do with homophobia and the infamous kiss didn’t bother me at all. The perceived sexually aggressive, violent aspect of the whole thing was what turned me off that night. I didn’t like any of the other sexually explicit performances on the show but since I was only interested in seeing Adam, his is the one I was most concerned about because he was the only performer who didn’t already have a successful career.

    I am a fan of Adam’s music but I’m not a “fanatic”. I don’t think he’s perfect – he makes mistakes. I don’t like everything he says or does, I don’t like every outfit he’s worn and I don’t have any desire to sleep with the young man because I’m twice his age. IMO his AMA performance was a disaster – there was nothing entertaining about it.

    Oh and that kiss looked painful to me, not hot.

  • mr

    iluvai
    01/06/2010 at 3:04 pm
    In the future when Adam performs on t.v., there should be a warning: “Caution, viewing this performance may result in loss of spelling skills and ability to put together a complete sentence.” LOL

    ROTFL!!!!! Serious hazard….

  • IdolThoughts

    The other reasons I didn’t like his performance was his really poor singing and the overly ambitious/awkward choreography. I simply felt that he blew a golden opportunity to attract new fans of his music.

    I agree with you on that point. But, I thought the kiss was hot.

  • lucy

    I don’t want him to grow up thinking that it is okay to grab other people’s crotches, force them to kiss you or force their heads into your crotch. In most states that is called sexual assault. Whether its being done by someone gay OR straight makes no difference.

    Well, it’s pretty clear that Adam *did* have everybody’s permission.

    This was all about a certain sort of aggressive style of sexual/romantic behavior, which is perfectly fine for adults and has zero to do with rape or sexual violence or rudeness of any kind. It’s a perfectly normal kind of sexual expression and behavior *for* *adults*, just like most kinds of overtly sexual behavior.

    I realize that a lot of people seem to be utterly unfamiliar with this fact. But there’s tons of this sexual vibe out there, and not just among the West Hollywood crowd, but right there in small-town America. It’s just a less subliminal version of Rhett carrying Scarlett up those stairs, is all. Not to mention a less subliminal version of the Twilight saga.

    And this was a performance that took place at a very adult hour following lots of equally sexual performances that took place at even earlier hours on a show that was labeled as being unsuitable for watching by younger people. Why anybody is letting kids– any kids, including teenagers, who need nine hours of sleep at night — watch tv 14 pop music shows at nearly 11 pm on a Sunday night — a school night — is beyond me.

  • uncgirl

    In the midwest it was on in the 9 o’clock hour and I don’t call this a very adult hour.

  • DLee

    I don’t want him to grow up thinking that it is okay to grab other people’s crotches, force them to kiss you or force their heads into your crotch.

    I don’t want my son to grow up and murder and yet I think Macbeth a very worthwhile play for him to see or read.

  • carolinacharms

    For the record, it never really bothered me either. I thought it pretty tasteless, yes, but not particularly offensive. I also thought the performance was pretty poor. For Adam.

    On another note, would someone mind telling me where these purported, specific “grammar” issues are located?? Or are we really talking about typos and other incomplete thoughts or informal/slang English??

    P.S…I wouldn’t exactly label Adam a “grammarian.”

  • Kanadie Bonttell

    My main gripe re: the AMAs is that it seems obvious that a veeery small minority was allowed to dictate to the majority… and though I totally respect the views of the people that were offended, that is unfair.

    I love this post…well said! :)

  • smartcookie

    “This Is Spinal Tap” is one of my favorite movies, and we rewatched it on NYE, and when I heard Bobbi Flekman’s line about their album cover, I laughed so hard, because it’s totally reminiscent of Adam’s AMA performance.

    Bobbi Flekman: You put a greased naked woman on all fours with a dog collar around her neck, and a leash, and a man’s arm extended out up to here, holding onto the leash, and pushing a black glove in her face to sniff it. You don’t find that offensive? You don’t find that sexist?
    Ian Faith: This is 1982, Bobbi, c’mon!
    Bobbi Flekman: That’s right, it’s 1982! Get out of the ’60s. We don’t have this mentality anymore.
    Ian Faith: Well, you should have seen the cover they wanted to do! It wasn’t a glove, believe me.

    The difference, of course, is that Adam was being serious, and the Spinal Tap guys are obviously morons we’re supposed to laugh at. I still think the problem wasn’t that it was offensive but just stupid and sophomoric and not sexy at all. Another line from Spinal Tap (about the infamous album cover) is that there is a fine line between stupid and clever. For me, Adam’s performance was wayyyy over the line into stupid.

    As for the people complaining to the FCC — they’re obviously just as moronic. But that’s their prerogative. Free speech is a two-way street. Adam and his people were clearly trying to be provocative and out there. So they got what they wanted. People were provoked. I would tell Adam to either live with the consequences of being provocative, or take a different route.

  • RowZee824

    I’m a big fan of Adam, his music and all–but I would have liked the AMA performance better if it was more like the video. At a time when he could have shined, I think he should have concentrated more on the vocals than the choreography. Lack of rehearsal probably didn’t help either. In any case, still love the guy but wish this AMA crap would go away.

  • DLee

    and wildly kissed a male.

    I liked this phrase.

  • smartcookie

    I don’t want my son to grow up and murder and yet I think Macbeth a very worthwhile play for him to see or read.

    I find this comparison really off the mark. Mr. and Mrs. Macbeth certainly don’t profit from their crimes by the end of the play. They’re being set up as examples you want to avoid, unless you want to end up crazy with guilt and then dead. That’s the whole point of the play, that naked ambition to the point of murder is a VERY bad thing, and your Birnam Wood is gonna come to Dunsinane, by hell or high water. I’m guessing Adam’s point (if he had one — it seemed a pretty pointless performance to me) was to say that dirrrty sex with whips and chains and Great Danes is wheeeee fun and he is advocating exploring all of the possible painful sexual options available to him. At least I think that’s what that song means — let’s get out the nipple clips and the dog collars and have some fun, kids!

  • DLee

    On another note, would someone mind telling me where these purported, specific “grammar” issues are located?? Or are we really talking about typos and other incomplete thoughts or informal/slang English??

    Honestly I tried to go back and was going to point them out to you…but there are so many it would take too long. Are there some that are typos? Sure, but really those are few and far between compared to the real mistakes in the letters.

  • IdolThoughts

    I’m guessing Adam’s point (if he had one — it seemed a pretty pointless performance to me) was to say that dirrrty sex with whips and chains and Great Danes is wheeeee fun and he is advocating exploring all of the possible painful sexual options available to him. At least I think that’s what that song means — let’s get out the nipple clips and the dog collars and have some fun, kids!

    I don’t think he’s advocating anything.

  • aa618892

    DLee
    01/06/2010 at 3:42 pm
    and wildly kissed a male.

    I liked this phrase.”

    HaHa! Sounds good to me too!

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    “”don’t want him to grow up thinking that it is okay to grab other people’s crotches, force them to kiss you or force their heads into your crotch. In most states that is called sexual assault. Whether its being done by someone gay OR straight makes no difference.””

    I agree with this and dont want my kids doing this also, but this was a performance and therein lies the difference. Also, what gets me about posts like this is, the crotch grab was a ways before the kiss, so – how were they still watching after that or after the very beginning with the whips and chains or whatever with the kids they were trying to protect still sitting there with them? The TV has this little button that says off-push it if you dont like it. I dont know if I have the correct order but ask a complainer they know this performance in minute detail – those that were enjoying Adam were moving to the beat, not focusing on every little detail like that

  • Bowie1

    AndreaH I agree with you and I couldn’t have stated it better. To me, sexual aggressiveness is not sexy at all. The FYE Video was sexy with a smile and a wink kind of attitude that I enjoyed watching.

    I am a big Adam fan and appreciate his ‘god given’ talents but he can make bad judgements calls sometimes, like the rest of us. It was the ‘aggressive’ nature of the performance that was disappointing to me. But, that said, I didn’t like many of the performances that night and I do think there was an unfair ‘double standard’ put on Adam.

    I’m over the disappointment of the performance now and looking forward to all 2010 and beyond has in store for Adam and us fans!

  • KayGee

    The other reasons I didn’t like his performance was his really poor singing and the overly ambitious/awkward choreography. I simply felt that he blew a golden opportunity to attract new fans of his music.

    Yeah Adam didn’t like that part of his performance either…but I Love Adam, and I am not going to be talking about one poor performance for the entire year of 2010…that buzz should be over, and the buzz should be about that great performance on NYs morning, and any future performances that he does…
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    glambert
    01/06/2010 at 2:56 pm
    auntieaimee
    01/06/2010 at 12:18 pm
    That kiss looked like it hurt. Mashing faces together is not hot.

    I would love love love for someone to kiss me with that kind of ***passion***
    I volunteer to be Adam’s kissing partner any time of day or night.
    imo, that kiss is HOT!!!!!!

    I would love to have been in Tommy’s shoes too, only I would have opened my mouth and took it all in…he could have gently pushed my face in his crotch too, I would have been more than glad to oblige (If it is the right size, a small one is no fun – LOL)

  • lucy

    I’m guessing Adam’s point (if he had one — it seemed a pretty pointless performance to me) was to say that dirrrty sex with whips and chains and Great Danes is wheeeee fun and he is advocating exploring all of the possible painful sexual options available to him. At least I think that’s what that song means — let’s get out the nipple clips and the dog collars and have some fun, kids!

    Maybe. But I’d say that, among adults, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this. In fact, it *is* fun. And it’s actually darned mainstream, although a lot of people don’t want you to know that!

    I think the sticking point is that a lot of folks believe that everything on tv, at any hour, should be totally watchable by kids, however young. And if that’s the case, then this kind of thing isn’t suitable (although a lot of other things aren’t suitable either). … I personally don’t think that all broadcast tv has to be kid-friendly. And I would include anything airing after 10 pm on a school night as definitely falling into the doesn’t-have-to-be-kid-friendly basket.

    When it comes to adults who were offended by the performance, I really don’t have any sympathy with that.

    There are a lot of things on tv that I find offensive and crappy, but as an adult I can understand my own reaction and the reasons for it and turn the thing off without damaging my soul or anything. If we’re offended as adults, then it’s just a matter of our not having the sense to turn something off when we don’t like it. It would be only the very very very rare occasion when I would want to demand that something be taken off tv because I didn’t like it, if other adults did. …. There’s a wide range of what’s acceptable to people and I don’t see any reason why one person’s parameters should rule, even mine.

  • carolinacharms

    Honestly I tried to go back and was going to point them out to you…but there are so many it would take too long. Are there some that are typos? Sure, but really those are few and far between compared to the real mistakes in the letters.

    Oh, dear me. You’re actually going to make me work, aren’t you?! Of course part of me thinks it would be easier to join the crowd…. And upon reflection, I’ll do…neither! :) Everyone knows the name of the season after the Season, right? ‘Tis the silly season!

  • SpenserJ

    No, these are complaints to the FCC which are a matter of public record and anyone can make a FOIA request and obtain them. No invasion of privacy. Its all public.

    Indeed. Any letter written to a government entity is a public document. Keep that in mind when e-mailing your friends who have government jobs :).

    I’m so over people who cannot punctuate, those who do not believe in dividing their musings into coherent paragraphs and the proliferation of text speak, that I just can’t bring myself to care that some morons are open to public ridicule.

    Everybody makes typos and spelling errors, but honestly it would be nice if more Americans saw it as a priority to make sure that their writing was at least remotely understandable by the reader.

  • iluvai

    Everybody makes typos and spelling errors, but honestly it would be nice if more Americans saw it as a priority to make sure that their writing was at least remotely understandable by the reader.

    I agree!

  • marmom07

    Granted I’m one who really doesn’t pay a lot of attention to the lyrics or the message in a song. I’m much more moved by a more visceral connection with the melody and mood or feeling the song creates. Sad songs for when I feel sad and happy, dance songs when happy.

    Even so I’ve never considered any song an advertisement for it’s lyrical message or something that I should “learn” and try to emulate. TV, movies, performances (vocal or dance or both) etc are simply presenting something from the creators viewpoint. Ever since my daughter was little she clearly understood that movies, cartoons etc are make-believe, it’s pretend…..it is not REAL LIFE. Even reality shows are not really real life. She knows that she should be learning her morals, beliefs and behavior from her parents and other real life people in our world. She is 15 and saw Adam’s performance and we talked about all the hoopla. She thought the whole thing was silly. Do adults really think children are so stupid as not to be able to tell the difference between something that’s a pretend performance, fun to listen to and watch (or not; clearly it wasn’t fun to watch for some) and how to behave in real life? Or understand a piece of literature or movie or story that does have message to learn from but is still not real life?. Real life stuff to be bothered by is stuff like Chris Brown beating up his real life girlfriend.

  • HeidiL

    “I am curious HeidiL if you use the same type of caution with movies & games that depict violence? I am not being critical, just curious. And I do applaud you for teaching your son to respect others. Just wondering if it applies to all areas of life.”

    As a matter of fact, I do. He is not yet old enough to sift through all of the info, sex and violence that he is constantly bombarded with and filter it properly. It is a full time job for his father and for me to review it all and try to discuss and explain things to him. I am not a prude. I am not an overprotective mom. I am a concerned parent who is working feverishly to raise her children to be independent, respectful and responsible adults. I am not sheilding him from everything. I’m just trying to review it and decide what he is ready for and what he is not. As he becomes ready for different levels of sex and violence we let him watch so that we can discuss it with him and help him sort it all out. For the record …… we DVRed the AMAs. I watched it first and decided against letting him watch it. He is not yet ready to understand that the people whose music he likes to listen to are just “performing” and not advocating certain types of behavior. To be honest I’m not sure I really believe they aren’t.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    There are a lot of things on tv that I find offensive and crappy, but as an adult I can understand my own reaction and the reasons for it and turn the thing off without damaging my soul or anything. If we’re offended as adults, then it’s just a matter of our not having the sense to turn something off when we don’t like it.

    Exactly. I don’t want or need other people to decide for me what should offend me. Writing letters to a government agency demanding they step in and stop a certain type of programming on TV is a way of insisting that their opinions and values are the only ones that should matter.

    dirrrty sex with whips and chains and Great Danes is wheeeee fun and he is advocating exploring all of the possible painful sexual options available to him.

    There were great danes on the stage? How’d I miss that? Must have been too busy watching Adam.

  • maturin

    I find this comparison really off the mark. Mr. and Mrs. Macbeth certainly don’t profit from their crimes by the end of the play. They’re being set up as examples you want to avoid, unless you want to end up crazy with guilt and then dead. That’s the whole point of the play, that naked ambition to the point of murder is a VERY bad thing, and your Birnam Wood is gonna come to Dunsinane, by hell or high water.

    Yes, but the Macbeths certainly became a BRAND!

    And hey, Adam’s performance was also about a wood magically springing up!

    Although I think he’d agree that the Shakespeare Play Which His AMA Mess Most Resembles is . . . Much Ado About Nothing!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The 1,500 complaints about Adam’s AMA performance were to ABC, not the FCC. According to this article, the FCC would not confirm if any complaints had been made to them, but obviously some were.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/11/24/adam-lamberts-amas-performance-draws-1500-complaints/

  • Mainegal

    “maturin…And hey, Adam’s performance was also about a wood magically springing up!”

    oh god…best line of the day!

    “maturin…Although I think he’d agree that the Shakespeare Play Which His AMA Mess Most Resembles is . . . Much Ado About Nothing!”

    most succinct post of the day!

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    ROTFLMFAO THESE ARE HILARIOUS!!!!!!! Thanks Adam;)

    thanks for posting it mj.something to cheer me up after SuBo
    btw on AI reruns tonight,its’s country week(I think…?) .if it is that means ring of fiiiiire.lol

  • Tara

    I love the kissing photograph. I don’t see Tommy as any sort of bystander/victim though. After seeing all the photographs I would say he is kissing Adam back like a good sport. Now the best kissing photograph of Adam is of course with Brad. Ah, the purple hair photograph(at every google search). Brad is so kissed his ears are red.

  • zuper

    The 1,500 complaints about Adam’s AMA performance were to ABC, not the FCC

    I believe the FCC only regulated until 10pm. As it was after this time on the coasts, it is not a FCC matter. Adam’s performance was aired at 9:55 Central time so I guess one could file a complaint there.

    Funny thing I noticed on Leno a few weeks later (may have even been the night Adam was on the show), was a skit that appeared at the exact same time 9:55. It was a skit with a crass, boozing, smoking Santa. How is that appropriate? I bet most kids would see the Adam performance as dancing – not simulating something they know little about, but the Santa skit “protect your children people”. I jest of course, but once you start really looking at what is on TV it really shows how blown up that whole AMA thing was.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    I’ll bet some of those letter writers live on some compound in Texas, surrounded by guns and convinced their government is conspiring against them. It all comes from the same mentality.

    LMAO

    incarcerate
    01/06/2010 at 11:56 am
    not a fan of the pic…not my bag…not a fan of AL either….blah

    hey .thanks for saying this without insulting him.I appreciate it…:)

    lol carolinacharms.ok,maybe Adam doesn’t have the *best* grammar…;)

  • DLee

    lol carolinacharms.ok,maybe Adam doesn’t have the *best* grammar…;)

    At least he doesn’t say “like” all the time. I hate that.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    I saw on Twitter that Adam’s definetly not going to be at the leople’s choice awards(not that twitter’s the most reliable source ever…)

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    sorry people not leople.damn iPod(ok,I love my iPod.my Adam-picture-gallery just reached the 2500 mark!! :) lol)

  • IdolThoughts

    I saw on Twitter that Adam’s definetly not going to be at the leople’s choice awards

    Why?

    damn iPod

    I hear ya. I always seem to notice it at the exact moment I hit Submit!!!

  • clearone

    It must be a slow day in Idol land for this subject to be brought for the zillionth time. The same folks get to say how it didn’t bother them yet again so I will say yet again how much I hated the AMA’s. I wish we could go back in time so they never happened….but we can’t so we move on.

    The tone of this entire post is not very nice. People are entitled to their opinions whether they can spell or not!

    Exactly. It’s a sad day when all there is to discuss is the spelling errors of those who wrote the letters.

  • IdolThoughts

    Well, we don’t all have to agree…good thing MJ prefaced the post by saying “You might find this amusing…”
    Me = amused.

  • aislinn

    I’m so over people who cannot punctuate, those who do not believe in dividing their musings into coherent paragraphs and the proliferation of text speak, that I just can’t bring myself to care that some morons are open to public ridicule.

    Everybody makes typos and spelling errors, but honestly it would be nice if more Americans saw it as a priority to make sure that their writing was at least remotely understandable by the reader.

    ———————————
    Exactly! I see a lot of people posting here that they think it’s shameful or wrong of anyone to mock the people who sent in these letters of complaint, because they express themselves so poorly, but for me that illustrates what I feel are the incredibly skewed priorities in this country. People are so ready to be incensed over a little bit of sexual innuendo(and people, there is a difference between personal taste and obscenity – I wouldn’t have chosen the choreography or performance level of that song either, but it certainly wasn’t obscene), yet it seems to be perfectly fine for there to be such a low bar of expectation for someone’s ability to express themselves with any level of competence.

    I am much more disturbed by such low standards for basic spelling and grammar in this country than I am about any performance on a show of this genre and rating. These people should turn off their TV’s and attempt to master the English language.

  • dcglam

    I’ve always maintained that the whole deal was much ado about nothing. I was more offended by the less than stellar performance from Adam than the sexual stuff

    This ^^
    Here we are six weeks after the fact and continuing to rehash this one evening. Due to all the commotion and criticism that Adam has had to endure, I would venture to say that if he could redo a day in his life, he would select November 22. Yes, I still maintain this thought even knowing he is not sorry for what happened on stage. IMHO

    The sexual stuff alone did NOT bother me at all. However, I still wonder about his giving the finger to his audience. Hopefully, not many people noticed since that doesn’t seem to be getting much attention. Thank goodness!! I actually felt badly for Adam for the poor singing/performance debut as a whole. We have been totally spoiled in that his other performances, to me, have been nothing less than stellar. This “poor quality” came as such a shock for this reason.

    The bottom line is that I just want all of this to go away — far away!!
    I do agree, though, that the kiss was HOT!!!

  • clearone

    People are so ready to be incensed over a little bit of sexual innuendo(and people, there is a difference between personal taste and obscenity – I wouldn’t have chosen the choreography or performance level of that song either, but it certainly wasn’t obscene),

    A LITTLE BIT? Give me a break.

  • aislinn

    Little bit or blatant, that’s not the central point. Sexual performances are not a big deal – the dumbing down of our society is.

  • IdolThoughts

    Little bit or blatant, that’s not the central point. Sexual performances are not a big deal – the dumbing down of our society is.

    Agreed. More importantly…Ignorance is the root of a whole lotta evil. Ignorance and a lack of education seem to go hand and hand. These letters reinforce that theory brilliantly.

  • tiger92

    lol carolinacharms.ok,maybe Adam doesn’t have the *best* grammar…;)

    lol carolinacharms.ok,maybe Adam doesn’t have the *best* grammar…;)

    At least he doesn’t say “like” all the time. I hate that.

    Actually, Adam’s grammar is pretty good. It’s his spelling that is questionable at times.

    At least he doesn’t say “like” all the time. I hate that.

    I agree. The misuse of pronouns also drives me crazy.
    Ex: Me and Bill went to dinner. Why can’t people learn to use pronouns correctly?

  • tiger92

    “dirrrty sex with whips and chains and Great Danes is wheeeee fun and he is advocating exploring all of the possible painful sexual options available to him.”

    There were great danes on the stage? How’d I miss that? Must have been too busy watching Adam.

    LMAO!
    Dirrrrrty sex! That’s the way some like it….

    Whips and chains and great danes? That could be a line in a song!
    But seriously, where were the great danes? I think I would have noticed that.

  • bottleblonde

    The sexual stuff alone did NOT bother me at all. However, I still wonder about his giving the finger to his audience.

    Watching AI and the AI tour videos I noticed that whatever Adam sang and however he sang it, he always smiled at the audience at the end. Particularly while on tour you could see that big smile on his face as he was lowered out of view. It was like he was giving the audience a message, “Yeah, I just did all that sexy stuff but I am still me, just Adam.”

    After the AMAs my 11 year old daughter was listening as my Mom and I talked about our concerns with Adam’s performance. She asked me so sincerely, “But Mom, did Adam smile at the end?” I hated having to tell her that he didn’t, and I did not tell her about the finger. That gesture was very disappointing.

    BB

    PS (I didn’t let my girls watch the show at all because they are too young.)

  • clearone

    Little bit or blatant, that’s not the central point. Sexual performances are not a big deal – the dumbing down of our society is.

    Agreed. More importantly…Ignorance is the root of a whole lotta evil. Ignorance and a lack of education seem to go hand and hand. These letters reinforce that theory brilliantly

    So you’re saying that those of us who didn’t care for the sexual nature of the performance are ignorant and poorly educated? Nice.

  • Mainegal

    Whips and chains and great danes? That could be a line in a song!

    “Whips and chains and great danes, Oh My!” ……. Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz.???

  • ross

    Little bit or blatant, that’s not the central point. Sexual performances are not a big deal – the dumbing down of our society is.

    To a lot of people, sexual performances (and songs like FYE) are what the dumbing down of our society is all about. The society 50 years ago wouldn’t have tolerated this stuff as entertainment, not because they were backward but because they preferred intelligent entertainment. Fred Astaire singing Cole Porter this ain’t.

  • ptslittlecomment

    The society 50 years ago wouldn’t have tolerated this stuff as entertainment, not because they were backward but because they preferred intelligent entertainment. Fred Astaire singing Cole Porter this ain’t.

    I find this a very interesting analogy, given that Cole Porter was a (closeted) homosexual and his songs were full of sexual innuendo. Some entertainers enjoyed performing his lyrics because they felt the “average Joe” just didn’t get it.

  • aislinn

    To a lot of people, sexual performances (and songs like FYE) are what the dumbing down of our society is all about. The society 50 years ago wouldn’t have tolerated this stuff as entertainment, not because they were backward but because they preferred intelligent entertainment. Fred Astaire singing Cole Porter this ain’t.

    Erm, what? I happen to love Fred Astaire, and was disappointed in the crassness of Adam’s performance, but that doesn’t make Astaire’s performance more intelligent – it’s a matter of individual taste, and is not the root of all evil that it is being made out to be. In fact, some of the entertainment of that era was hopelessly simplistic, but again, so not the point.

  • Hope07

    Exactly! I see a lot of people posting here that they think it’s shameful or wrong of anyone to mock the people who sent in these letters of complaint, because they express themselves so poorly, but for me that illustrates what I feel are the incredibly skewed priorities in this country.

    While it would be nice if we all had the same opportunities, that isn’t the case. Saying that it’s okay to ridicule someone for something they have no control of is mean, petty and juvenile IMO. That sort of thing is best left in the school yard, though I hope that most childrens’ parents have taught them better. If only we could all be so perfect!

  • Mainegal

    The society 50 years ago wouldn’t have tolerated this stuff as entertainment.

    maybe not on network TV…but society 50 years ago was not as prudish as one might think. BTW, “society” 50 years ago didn’t tolerate many things: interracial marriage, civil rights, womens rights, etc.

    I’m also curious, seriously, what “intelligent” entertainment is?

  • tiger92

    The society 50 years ago wouldn’t have tolerated this stuff as entertainment, not because they were backward but because they preferred intelligent entertainment. Fred Astaire singing Cole Porter this ain’t.

    50 years ago black people and women were in the midst of fighting for equal rights. Things that were tolerated back then do not say “enlightened” or “intelligent” to me.

    ETA: mainegirl: I see we are on the same wavelength here. lol

  • aislinn

    While it would be nice if we all had the same opportunities, that isn’t the case. Saying that it’s okay to ridicule someone for something they have no control of is mean, petty and juvenile IMO.

    That’s a huge assumption – how do you know what opportunities, or lack, these particular people had? And again, missing the point – we as a society pay much more attention to a non-issue like an entertainer’s performance, and not nearly enough to making sure that everyone does have those opportunities, and can in fact help it. Specifically – this parent allowed their three children, aged 11,13, and 15 to sit and watch a 3 hour music award show rated pg-14 on a school night, when they would have been much better off reading a book or working on homework, like gee, English!

  • Mainegal

    ETA: mainegirl: I see we are on the same wavelength here. lol

    LOL…not the first time, tiger92!!

  • ross

    maybe not on network TV…but society 50 years ago was not as prudish as one might think. BTW, “society” 50 years ago didn’t tolerate many things: interracial marriage, civil rights, womens rights, etc.

    50 years ago black people and women were in the midst of fighting for equal rights. Things that were tolerated back then do not say “enlightened” or “intelligent” to me.

    Me either, but what does that have to do with what I said?

    All I was saying was a lot of people feel the dumbing down of the society is reflected in the crassness of popular entertainment. I just said “Fred Astaire singing Cole Porter this ain’t” as an example. The point was that popular entertainment overall has really gone downhill in terms of good taste. That’s just my opinion, taste is subjective.

  • ptslittlecomment

    All I was saying was a lot of people feel the dumbing down of the society is reflected in the crassness of popular entertainment. I just said “Fred Astaire singing Cole Porter this ain’t” as an example. The point was that popular entertainment overall has really gone downhill in terms of good taste. That’s just my opinion, taste is subjective

    Taste is certainly that. All I am saying is that, if anything, popular entertainment has just become a little more honest about what has been there all along.

    In the “coded” years, Cole amused himself by pitching his words on two levels, so that the “coach party” audience was content with the obvious, while the “in” group relished the real meaning.
    – Graham Payne, My Life With Noel Coward (New York: Applause Books, 1994), p. 5.

  • dcglam

    That gesture was very disappointing.

    BB

    Bottleblonde, this was the part of the performance that I had the hardest time with.

  • ross

    I should have said Ira Gershwin or Johnny Mercer. I don’t think they were closeted gays and yet they still managed to write sophisticated lyrics. Didn’t realize the Cole Porter referece would be such a loaded issue.

    I was not offended by Adam but you know, if “plain people” got this offended, I think it’s significant. And why mock them? They don’t seem like bigots, for the most part, or fools. Just regular people who maybe don’t like sex shoved in their faces on TV. I don’t care if some of them can’t spell, neither can I. These people fight the wars and pay the taxes, etc., even if they don’t have the best grammar. I think a popular artist who doesn’t listen to their opinions would be a fool, himself. They watch the TV shows, listen to the radio, and buy the music. Nobody can afford not to take their opinions seriously. (Again, jmho.)

  • Mainegal

    That’s just my opinion, taste is subjective.

    My opinion as well…I just don’t want “other opinions” dictating what I can hear or see.

  • sallysimmons

    Here we are six weeks after the fact and continuing to rehash this one evening.

    Only because some Adam Lambert fan has REALLY skewed priorities and decided to exercise FOI rights to get these letters, as opposed to something that, you know, matters.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    To a lot of people, sexual performances (and songs like FYE) are what the dumbing down of our society is all about.

    You mean people like Peggy Noonan? 50 years ago, an inter-racial kiss on TV would have been censored. Other things that would have been censored: the appearance of a toilet in a bathroom or a husband and wife’s bedroom with anything but twin beds. Women were portrayed as either adorable dimwits, or masters of passive-aggressive manipulation of their unsuspecting husbands. African Americans were given minor roles as servants. Too bad we can’t return to those enlightened times.

  • ptslittlecomment

    My opinion as well…I just don’t want “other opinions” dictating what I can hear or see.

    Exactly.

    And as for Cole Porter, Ira Gerswhin and Johnny Mercer (who had his own secret hetero life going BTW) discussion, my point was that, ( as my 83-year-old mother always points out) sexual innuendo has always been part of the culture, even in the days of strict movie censorship (characters were suddenly divorced instead of single so they could get away with saying suggestive lines or winding up in each other’s bedrooms) The Greeks did it, Shakespeare did it, its been done.

    I can appreciate those who don’t want to see it, but I don’t know where or how to draw the line so everyone else can’t see it either. Because, as I said before, it is everywhere!

  • BootStar

    I don’t know how any of these letters was submitted, but if the FCC provided an online form with no ability to edit after the fact, it’s not that surprising that there are grammatical errors, etc. And I don’t think it’s terribly shocking that a lot of folks with younger kids would have been taken aback by that evening’s performances. Adam’s wasn’t the only one cited, but it was the most heavily touted that evening.

    Not saying all the complaints were justified, but if Adam should have the freedom be outrageous on network television, then folks should have the freedom to complain about it, as well.

  • ross

    Okay. I wasn’t talking about a return to those times, and I hate Peggy Noonan. I don’t think you got my point.

    Someone said those letters reflected the dumbing down of our society. So that person, not I, was saying our society is dumbed down now. So apparently we have a more enlightened society now as you all have pointed out. I agree. It’s just that no one can spell any more, apparently. So it’s not perfect.

    My point is that entertainment in our society has also been dumbed down. You don’t have to agree with that opinion. But I’m not the only one with that opinion.

  • HermeticallySealed

    The point was that popular entertainment overall has really gone downhill in terms of good taste. That’s just my opinion, taste is subjective.

    Jazz, May West, burlesque, cabarets, Punch and Judy, black face, all of those were pre 50’s, and were often crass or considered leading to the downfall of society.

    Let’s be honest, “raunch” and crass performances are not new phenomena, nor are they indicative of a society’s intellectual entertainment. There were racy performances during the 1800’s, during the 1700’s and all the way back to the beginning of time.

    I’m not saying everyone has to like such things, or that not appreciating them makes one a snob or out of touch. But such judgements are rarely fair or accurate, any more than saying all “G” performances are naive and childish.

  • IdolThoughts

    So you’re saying that those of us who didn’t care for the sexual nature of the performance are ignorant and poorly educated? Nice.

    No. Not at all. This thread isn’t about you and your opinion, nor were my comments. I didn’t care for aspects of the performance, but I also didn’t write a letter riddled with poor grammar and weak arguments against Adam. Those letters are what I’m referencing, not you and your opinion. Thanks!

  • Mainegal

    I can appreciate those who don’t want to see it

    …so can I..and people that “don’t want to see it” have multiple choices:
    1. turn the channel
    2. turn off the TV
    3. tevo..watch it later when kiddies are in bed.
    4. watch it..and then complain to ABC/FCC..still a valid choice which I respect (grammar critiques petty IMO)

    but when ABC cancels performances to placate a minority, my choices are….oh shit, I have none!

  • maturin

    What I love about Cole Porter is, he did everything he could get away with.

    :-)

    “And that’s why birds do it, bees do it
    Even educated fleas do it
    Let’s do it, let’s fall in love

    Cold Cape Cod clams, ‘gainst their wish, do it
    Even lazy jellyfish do it
    Let’s do it, let’s fall in love

    I’ve heard that lizards and frogs do it
    Layin’ on a rock
    They say that roosters do it
    With a doodle and cock”

    You all know that I am not even an Adam Lambert fan but nonetheless I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HIM SPIN “Let’s Do It.”

    Fan fan fan fan self with a big lacy fan!

  • aiam

    “My opinion as well…I just don’t want “other opinions” dictating what I can hear or see.”

    Popular opinion always dictates what is shown or heard. Right now if you do not want to see sexual performances, tough luck, because popular opinion is that everyone is not “enlightened” without these. Entertainment is always on the cutting edge of the culture, particularly the music industry. Entertainers push the envelope – that is why we often find them entertaining.

    My taste is to not see any sexual performances (they personally offend me), so I never watch the AMA’s (still haven’t seen Adam’s performance, because his music is not my taste). The AMA’s are known for sexual, shocking type of performances. I’m not sure why people seemed so caught off guard by what they saw – particularly if they made it through to Adam’s performance near the end of the show. Why wasn’t the TV turned off by then? Just seems odd to me or like people looking for a reason to complain.

  • aly

    Love all of Adam’s Kissy Pictures…
    Of course Brad and Adams kiss tops all.

  • PattyP

    Specifically – this parent allowed their three children, aged 11,13, and 15 to sit and watch a 3 hour music award show rated pg-14 on a school night, when they would have been much better off reading a book or working on homework, like gee, English!

    I agree with the main point that children as young as 11 shouldn’t have been watching the show at all in most cases, but where I live, it was on before 10 PM and it was not a school night. Kids here had the next day off, and that may have been the case for the letter writer you mention. I also agree that there are many people who can’t put together a decent letter these days, and there is plenty of blame to go around on that topic, from parents to teachers to texting, etc.

    I’m glad to see I was not the only person offended by people here posting ridiculing, critical comments about these letter writers. If you read all of the 1500 complaints the FCC received, I’m sure there are some that could have been posted that were quite eloquent (perhaps even the complaint that I personally submitted to them that night; and yes, to whoever wondered if the FCC had presented an online complaint form, because that’s the one that I used). But I guess it is so much easier and more FUN!!!! to post those that have been highlighted here, so we can all sit around and mock people who had no clue their complaints would become cannon fodder for various Web sites.

    The Internet makes this kind of group bullying and ridicule so easy!

    By the way, my complaint that I filed with the FCC did not even mention the kiss, which I found innocuous, and was centered instead on the fact that the other sexual depictions were aired during a time period when they are specifically disallowed by FCC regulations for network TV, which was before 10 PM in our Central time zone. (And no, I don’t live in a commune of gun-wielding, ignorant hillbillies.)

  • ptslittlecomment

    By the way, my complaint that I filed with the FCC did not even mention the kiss, which I found innocuous, and was centered instead on the fact that the other sexual depictions were aired during a time period when they are specifically disallowed by FCC regulations for network TV, which was before 10 PM in our Central time zone. (And no, I don’t live in a commune of gun-wielding, ignorant hillbillies.)By the way, my complaint that I filed with the FCC did not even mention the kiss, which I found innocuous, and was centered instead on the fact that the other sexual depictions were aired during a time period when they are specifically disallowed by FCC regulations for network TV, which was before 10 PM in our Central time zone. (And no, I don’t live in a commune of gun-wielding, ignorant hillbillies.)

    According to Wikipedia ( I know, not the most reliable source, almost all programming shown on network TV after 9 PM is rated with the TV-14 rating, (as was the AMA’s)which according to the website means the following

    http://www.tvguidelines.org/ratings.htm

    Parents Strongly Cautioned
    This program contains some material that many parents would find unsuitable for children under 14 years of age. Parents are strongly urged to exercise greater care in monitoring this program and are cautioned against letting children under the age of 14 watch unattended. This program may contain one or more of the following: intensely suggestive dialogue (D), strong coarse language (L), intense sexual situations (S), or intense violence (V).

    I am just curious as to why you were surprised that a TV 14 rated show contained sexual content, when the disclaimer was broadcast.

  • angela

    I am just curious as to why you were surprised that a TV 14 rated show contained sexual content, when the disclaimer was broadcast.

    Thank you, I was wondering about the same thing…

  • tiger92

    By the way, my complaint that I filed with the FCC did not even mention the kiss, which I found innocuous, and was centered instead on the fact that the other sexual depictions were aired during a time period when they are specifically disallowed by FCC regulations for network TV, which was before 10 PM in our Central time zone. (And no, I don’t live in a commune of gun-wielding, ignorant hillbillies.)

    Did you also complain about the crotch grabing and other sexual depictions that were on earlier in the show? Did you complain about the reference to rape?

    The Internet makes this kind of group bullying and ridicule so easy!

    Yes, it does.
    May I suggest that you avoid places such as Top Idol and VFTW if this information mj posted seems like bullying and ridicule.

  • ptslittlecomment

    My point is that entertainment in our society has also been dumbed down. You don’t have to agree with that opinion. But I’m not the only one with that opinion.

    Oh I have no arguement that society , as a whole, has been dumbed down. Short attention spans, lower comprehension standards for newspapers, simplification of public discourse are all symptoms of the same. I just don’t know if the use of sexuality – as I pointed out used by some of our most respected artists throughout history – is a product of said “dumbing down”.
    I guess you could say that the reliance on the more blatant form of sexuality, like the reliance on brute force instead of intelligent defense, could be a sign that someone is relying on their body and not their brain.
    And since I have long thought that Adam’s “unrehearsed” actions at the AMA’s were reactionary efforts to still put on a good show even after his fall and poor vocal performance, I would agree they weren’t the smartest thing he has done. But I still don’t think they were offensive nor worth ABC’s censorship.

  • ross

    maturin, thanks for the Let’s Do It lyrics. Loved your post!

  • PattyP

    Let’s see, where to start?

    No, I didn’t complain about other performances, because I didn’t see the other performances. I tuned in only to watch Adam, as I don’t care about any of the others. His performance was highly advertised, and I knew it was coming near the end of the show (which I taped), so I waited until the show was over and then skipped forward until I saw his performance. I still can’t comment on whether I would have complained about anything else, because I didn’t see anything else.

    And yes, I know that means I didn’t watch it until after 10 PM, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t broadcast before 10 PM, which it was. It offended me. Not my kids, who weren’t up to watch it and weren’t allowed to see it the next day, even though I had wanted to be able to show it to them because we were all excited Adam was going to have such a big audience for a performance. It offended ME. I have the right to find that offensive, and I’m sure I would have found some of what the others did offensive, but fortunately, I didn’t watch them.

    I wouldn’t have watched Adam, either, had I only known … And I don’t get around on these forums often enough to have known that this was an “expected” type of performance from him on network TV at that hour of the day. I really wanted to like the performance, but apart from how horrible I thought it sounded and looked, it truly was offensive to me. My right to be offended and to complain about what was shown at that time despite the FCC rules.

    Which, by the way, are as follows (and no, I didn’t base mine on Wikipedia … I based it on the FCC’s own Web site):

    Consistent with a federal indecency statute and federal court decisions interpreting the statute, the Commission adopted a rule that broadcasts — both on television and radio — that fit within the indecency definition and that are aired between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. are prohibited and subject to indecency enforcement action.

    The FCC further says:

    The FCC has defined broadcast indecency as “language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities.” Indecent programming contains patently offensive sexual or excretory material that does not rise to the level of obscenity.

    Again, my main problem here tonight isn’t what Adam did that night, it’s those of you wanting to mock me (or others) or criticize me for exercising my right to complain about what I DID see, as opposed to what I did not see. Adam is a performer who was taking a calculated risk. As for myself and others who complained, we are just normal folks who exercised a right we had to file a complaint and didn’t realize those complaints were going to become fodder for Web sites. We’re not celebrities, we’re just normal people who don’t deserve the mocking and ridicule some of you want to inflict upon us.

    Those of you who disagree with me are never going to agree with me, and that’s fine — why can’t you accept that, without wanting me to defend my thought process that evening? I responded in the “heat of the moment” after watching something I found unacceptable for that hour of network TV. Probably many of the others who wrote in did the same thing.

    ETA: But you know what? this wasn’t about me, was it? It was about mocking people whose spelling or grammar wasn’t “good enough” to give them the right to complain.

    But I forgot to answer one of your other questions. I never saw the rating because I recorded the show and skipped all the way to Adam’s performance. I don’t pay much attention to those little images at the bottom of the screen in situations like that.

  • iluvai

    ETA: But you know what? this wasn’t about me, was it? It was about mocking people whose spelling or grammar wasn’t “good enough” to give them the right to complain.

    Everyone has the right to complain. That’s not what this post was all about.

  • tiger92

    ETA: But you know what? this wasn’t about me, was it? It was about mocking people whose spelling or grammar wasn’t “good enough” to give them the right to complain.

    Posters on this site did not post this information or these letters. MJ did. Things get snarked at on this blog. There were literally thousands of comments on the Gumby-guy picture (which didn’t turn out bad at all) and Adam’s cd cover (which is nearing Gold status). People like to snark amd poke fun at things. It’s a blog site dedicated to a cheesy show.

    Your situation is a rare one. You taped a three hour awards show. You don’t really visit blog sites, but somehow you knew Adam was going to be on last of the night. So, you didn’t watch any act up until then.You also didn’t check out the rating of the show and you didn’t know that award’s shows were known for pushing the envelope.

    I would say that you are very unusual in your circumstances. Most people who complained had probably been watching some if not all of the show and knew of the reputations of awards shows. Many probably paid attention to the rating.

    Also, if parents were dumb enough to let their small children sit through the previous acts and watch a show that was rated for high-school age kids and up, they have no room to complain.They need to pay attention to tv ratings and learn where the off button is at.

  • Sherena

    I never get it when people hop on the “sex is perverse” train. I understand that some think it should be a private and personal thing solely, but when people get REALLY up in arms and clearly highly upset by seeing an ~omg sexual~ act, I wonder about their sex lives… either they don’t have any or they have serious self hatred going on.

  • ptslittlecomment

    But I forgot to answer one of your other questions. I never saw the rating because I recorded the show and skipped all the way to Adam’s performance. I don’t pay much attention to those little images at the bottom of the screen in situations like that.

    You are certainly within your right to be offended and complain, but I would argue that just because you didn’t see the ratings doesn’t mean they don’t apply.

    If you don’t stop because you didn’t see a stop sign or dig in an area not right beside the “underground cable” warning, it doesn’t mean you will be exempt from the consequences.

    I hope for your sake that you are able to get beyond the AMA performance and enjoy Adam’s music again. He’s still the same guy you came to appreciate.

    This very afternoon I learned that an artist I truly have trouble even looking at ( yes I’m shallow) can do a mean cover of an Elton John favorite. It was worth the effort.

  • Daniel B

    I’m starting to wonder if this AMA debacle is every going away, or whether it is the anchor that will sink Adam’s career. He picked a very, very bad time to hand in a horrible performance, and a particularly astonishing venue to sabotage his career.

    He needs this performance to go away, as fast as possible, but it just ain’t happening. I feel sorry for the guy, but he chose to do shock tactics instead of artistry, and these are the consequences.

    I think it’s fine for people to complain, but I draw the line at trying to dictate the actions of the network. They are a private, for-profit industry and I’m sure they’ll make decisions in their own interest (such as banning Adam from performing there again).

    It’s ironic that this story won’t die. Now the complaint letters have been dragged out and the flaws in spelling pointed out, as if that were ever the point. Meanwhile the story lives on and Adam continues to be stereotyped by pretty much the most awful performance of his career so far.

    Back when this happened, even though I have never been much of an Adam fan, and even though I thought it was a ridiculously bad performance and intentionally offensive to a large portion of the viewing audience, I actually defended Adam on several other blogs where this story was politicized. Why? Because there were multiple posts and comments from people who didn’t know who Adam was who described him as a no-talent hack who couldn’t even sing.

    But Adam can sing. He really really can. And I feel bad that such a large audience, when being introduced to him, got such a hugely subpar performance that they were left honestly believing he has no talent.

    I don’t much care for Adam’s style, but the kid is actually vocally very talented. But due to this one tremendously bad performance I think there’s a public perception of him (among those who never followed him on Idol) that he has no talent, and that’s a terrible shame. When it happened I was hoping he would live and learn (and possibly grow up a little) and just rely on his talent instead of trying to shock people. Instead he immediately compounded his mistake by crying ‘double standard’ and implying that anyone critical of his performance must be some kind of homophobe or unbelievable prude.

    I think this whole thing has been a PR disaster for Adam. Whoever dragged these letters out has hurt him by keeping this situation in the public eye. Adam is a talented kid (not my cup of tea, but still) and I hope he gets a shot at getting beyond this.

    And yes, in my opinion the performance at the AMAs was intentionally offensive to a large portion of the viewers, and I doubt Adam was unaware of this before doing it. And no, I don’t live in a compound in Texas, or burn crosses in the yard at night, or have a raging hatred of homosexuals.

    As for the misspellings and grammatical errors, I would simply suggest, ‘Don’t throw stones in glass houses’. I see posts with misspellings here all the time. (It’s Daughtry, not Daughtrey. dammit :) )

  • smartalek

    My mom was offended by Adam’s performance but she didn’t write a letter to the FCC. Only losers would actually bother to waste their time to write stuff like this to the FCC about a musical performer. And these letters are examples from uneducated losers at that.

  • Sherena

    Daniel B: excellent post. Right after the AMAs, I really thought this would blow over very quickly, but it hasn’t, and that’s really unfortunate. AI contestants really do have a very limited span of time in the public eye in which people are still interested in them, and it’s too bad that Adam make a mistake of AMA proportions within this span of time, and now that he’s “reforming” his image it’s too late; there’s less coverage of him now, so people’s biggest impression of him is the AMA debacle.

    The sad thing is that the AMA debacle didn’t HAVE to be such a disaster– if Adam actually sang and performed well, then the sexual deviance cries could’ve resulted in a legitimate counter movement and a rallying behind Adam for being either discriminated against or just subject to overly prudish standards. As it was, there WAS such a movement, but it was too small and concentrated; casual viewers didn’t get behind it. The performance just wasn’t good enough to create that group of people who really enjoyed it to get behind it and turn it into a positive piece of promotion.

  • Grammie Kari

    Although I didn’t really like Adam’s AMA performance, I know it does no good to complain. Now, it is time to move on.

  • Sherena

    The society 50 years ago wouldn’t have tolerated this stuff as entertainment, not because they were backward but because they preferred intelligent entertainment. Fred Astaire singing Cole Porter this ain’t.

    Frankly, I find this assertion confusing. Not just in your case, but anytime anyone makes it. For one thing, in EVERY era, there is the ‘trashy, sensational’ entertainment and the entertainment that is meaningful and remembered in the following decades. Sometimes the latter INCLUDES the former; Elvis, for example, was HUGE around 50 years ago, and he did exactly the kind of sexual pushing of boundaries and ‘unintelligent’ entertainment that you are criticizing. There is a lot of idealizing and selective memory when people remember the “good old days.”

    In addition, the traditional family values of society of 50 years ago was far from the utopia that some people remember it as. 50 years ago, the civil rights act had not yet passed, and political figures who supported it openly were committing political suicide. And not only was society racist, it was also sexist and misogynistic to a degree that it isn’t today. Behind the veneer of the perfect family and sweet, obedient housewife, there were repressed, depressed women on prescription drugs with low self esteem, not understanding that their sense of emptiness and dissatisfaction with their lives was shared by many. Just because a society makes it taboo to TALK or SHOW certain emotions doesn’t mean they don’t EXIST–in fact, that seems to be exactly why acts like Elvis and the genre of rock and roll were so successful–although ~sexually scandalous~ for the time–because they allowed people to be free and let go.

    In conclusion, there’s very little about the society of 50 years ago and its “traditional family values” that’s remotely appealing to me. If they wouldn’t have tolerated “this kind of entertainment,” well, judging from the OTHER things that they wouldn’t have tolerated…. then I’m thinking that “this kind of entertainment” must be a good thing.

  • Mitla96

    Sigh, sigh, Pearl clutch, pearl clutch. The internet goes on and on about the AMA’s, and in the meantime Adam’s album continues to slowly and steadily sell, he hasn’t released the BEST songs on it yet as singles, and he is booked on Oprah.

    He’ll be fine.

  • isisdagmar

    PattyP: I’m sure plenty of people were like, “Oh, that’s inappropriate” but the main people who felt offended enough to complain were people like Jerry Falwell’s Liberty Counsel. Good company to be in?

    The society 50 years ago wouldn’t have tolerated this stuff as entertainment, not because they were backward but because they preferred intelligent entertainment

    Dude, society 50 years ago enjoyed insanely racist and sexist entertainment along with their Fred Astaire, and considered Elvis a brutish sexual deviant for shaking his hips. I wasn’t alive in the 50s by a long shot (woot 80s babies), but I’ve never understood why people use it as a shining beacon of civilization–it was pretty on the surface, rotten underneath.

    Their entertainment may have been less openly/aggressively sexual than a lot of entertainment today, but freaking out at hip swiveling and enjoying racist/sexist music and movies doesn’t exactly seem more intelligent.

    ETA: just to clarify, I totally get people not liking sexual entertainment, including Adam’s performances. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with not enjoying any really aggressive sexuality in performance–people just have different tastes.

    It’s just the idea that the 50s were more “intelligent” simply because they were less openly sexual that seems illogical to me, given what else entertainment in the 50s was.

  • isisdagmar

    Although I think he’d agree that the Shakespeare Play Which His AMA Mess Most Resembles is . . . Much Ado About Nothing!

    LOL, most assuredly. I mean, it’s not that people shouldn’t have had opinions on it or that it’s surprising that it was discussed a lot–but in the real world, while I’m sure Adam will still get asked about it, it’s not a “thing” anymore.

    And Much Ado About Nothing is amazing. o/t, but it really is.

  • justjude

    This thread is truely trip’n. Wow maybe mj should consider moderation for herself. No need to belittle people with less education or fewer skills.JMO
    Just want to say we all have a right to verbalize our opinions and to publically complain. I think that is still covered by constitutional decree of your ancestors. You know (in the good old days).!
    Thanks to Daniel B and Sherena for their well thought out, and well executed opinions……both so reasonable.
    Patty P, Your opinions and your gut reactions are yours and you are certainly entitled to them, and to even complain. Whether your complaints are valid or not is up to the FCC. It is also reasonable to let you know that
    you probably have a opinion that is not embraced by many on this site. That
    should be OK for you too. I, vehemently, agree that the snark on this site is
    confusing to those of us who can be guilty of being too literal. I know that
    when I first lurked here I was actually shocked, and then I tried to “imitate,”
    and I was not successfull. I certainly was not witty or compelling either!
    I respect your opinion and I must request yours, as my opinion is quite different from yours. I believe many people hide lots of sad family values
    just by using that term. Aren’t “family Values” determined by each family.
    You will never have full agreement. It is my belief that most of America North and Further north are very stunted in healthy sexual mores.It is splashed about all day subtley and blatantly after 8 in comercials as something to aspire to in product consumption that will increase sexual
    attractiveness, but never ever admit that, or even talk about it. If some younger kids did see that on TV, with parents, that would have initiated a
    educational talk and discussion in my family…..it is still a golden moment to, at least talk about your feelings about the performances. Personally I would love to hear that parents “parent” more and talk to their children more often. Perhaps the parents of slightly different kids could change the high statistics of suicide among confused teens. Adam Lambert may not be your cuppa, but he could just save a few marginalized kids and their bemused parents
    …….Unless they would rather have the “pain” than defeat the “shame”.

  • http://twitter.com/lindsav adamland

    And since I have long thought that Adam’s “unrehearsed” actions at the AMA’s were reactionary efforts to still put on a good show even after his fall and poor vocal performance, I would agree they weren’t the smartest thing he has done. But I still don’t think they were offensive nor worth ABC’s censorship

    I think this whole thing has been a PR disaster for Adam. Whoever dragged these letters out has hurt him by keeping this situation in the public eye. Adam is a talented kid (not my cup of tea, but still) and I hope he gets a shot at getting beyond this.

    I was at the AMAs, you have no idea of what the atmosphere was like in the Nokia Theatre with all the hype of Adam’s “shocking” closing number and the number of people who were coming up to him during the commercials, etc. A head trip for sure that had to have been. I could see him getting more and more hyper and I have no doubt it was pure adrenaline. One also has to keep in mind where this guy was a year previous to the AMAs. He was finishing up his run as chorus boy/understudy for Wicked, and continuing to perform at small venues in L.A. He went on Idol hoping to get the attention of the record execs and be offered a recording contract. This guy had come to terms with who he was and the only people who would give him a chance to sing were mostly the small gay venues other than the off Broadway musicals.

    He at no time ever thought he would become the talk of the media, at no time assumed he would advance very far as he was openly gay and “different, out there”. Then the Idol tour started and he started getting the screams from women, lots and lots of women, then the bras and whips and other things started flying on stage at different stops along the way and the screams for more sexy dancing. I cannot imagine what it would do to a straight guy who was a redheaded, freckled faced teen and young adult who weighed in at 240+ lbs., let alone a gay 27 year old. Talk about a mind f**k.

    He has handled his sudden “fame” very well but nevertheless was never prepared for it and he is going to make some mistakes. He made a big one early on and it happened to be at the AMAs. Do I think it is career ending? No way. But Adam Lambert was never going to be the instant overnight success under any circumstances. Yes he can sing like no other in the pop music business today but he is after all, a kid of gay Hollywood. He is different, scary, weird, wears makeup, and fingernail polish (never mind that men in the 80s both straight and gay wore makeup and fingernail polish). After the performance that his personal idol (Lady Gaga) put on at the AMAs I have no doubt that he had to do something really earth shattering to not be dismissed as a guy with a good voice but forgettable the next day. Whether you like what he did or hate it, it was talked about. I personally was so disappointed in the vocals that I was po’ed for about a week.

    Adam learned two very important and valuable lessons after the AMAs, do not deviate from an agreed upon agenda and be mindful of whom you are performing for. Adam has had some good come along since the AMAs to take the sting out of the bad. He has been on daytime and night time shows since the AMAs and has gotten rave reviews. He was offered the chance to perform 11 songs as the headliner at the NYE Gridlock party, where I also happened to be in the audience. No it was not televised but it was absolutely electrifying and has been noticed if you see the ever growing number of the hits of the not so good Youtube videos. He now will be on Oprah on his and her birthday and she is a rating magnet.

    Adam will be fine and was always going to be more accepted in Europe and Asia more quickly than here once he tours there. Big voices are treasured outside of the U.S. Gays are much more accepted outside of the U.S. Theatrical performances are loved outside of the U.S. He is selling decently here and I would prefer the pace he is selling at than going platinum over a short period of time. I look forward to the day that he is accepted in the U.S. for what he can do rather than be discussed ad nauseam for who he is and is not.

    I will step down off the soap box now.

  • mr

    Daniel B- I agree with a lot of what you wrote- and it’s nice to hear it from someone who’s not as crazy about Adam as I am. I think it was a missed opprotunity for him because of the bad vocals and messed up choreography. In the short run.
    But I tend to agree with Mitla96 as well- his best songs haven’t even been released yet- and the album is doing nicely for a new artist. Maybe not as amazingly fast as some thought it would be, but still, doesn’t look like he’s tanking.
    I have to tell you that I’m from outside the US, and he’s hardly been advertised here (I’m updated only by the internet), and yet there is a crazy demand for his CD apperently- I’d waited for weeks for it to even arrive to my local big CD store (we can’t digitally download from itunes here), and when it did- poof! It was all sold out within two days! I thought it might be a coincidence, but then a co-worker of mine, who I’d bought the album for- told me that her brother, who lives in another city, and who she didn’t even know liked Adam, also said he was franticly looking for it in stores but it was always sold out- until he specifically ordered it. So I guess there’s a shortage in the supply- but the demand is big! And like I said- there is no promotion for it whatsoever! I can’t imagine what will happen when one of his songs actually starts playing on the radio… And I’m sure there are many other countries who love them some Adam!
    And the AMAs were mentioned here in the news only to show how funny it was that America was so shocked by this guy…

    Big Rant (sorry!)- but my point is: I am SURE that in the long run the AMA “debacle” will go away, and in any event, the media (inside the US and outside of it) hardly focused on it’s being a poor performance, but only about the sexual innuendo. Hell, the fact that it was “brought up” again on few internet sites doesn’t mean anything. I guarauntee that it’s not making major headlines anywhere.

    I’m a big believer in his charisma and talent, and am certain he’ll succeed.
    And BTW- being the subversive performer that he is, I won’t be surprised at all if he never makes it as an actual mainstream success (although I’d be more than happy and surprised if he does)- just as long as he’s successful enought o keep on performing the way he wants to.
    I mean, David Bowie is a huge idol of mine, and I’m not sure he was ever “mainstream”. Maybe only later in his career.

    About the spelling and grammar- I really couldn’t care less. I just don’t get why people complained about him to begin with, but I wouldn’t criticize the typos- I have plenty of my own… :-)

  • mr

    Oh- and just wanted to add:
    WWFM is up to #63 on itunes! Yay!
    Looks like a lot of Kei$ha’s new songs off her new album are pushing down other songs (she’s pushed down Bad Romance to #3 while holding #1 and #2 spots) very impressive…
    And yet- even though WWFM was pushed back initially, it has now started climbing again (it was #66 only a few hour ago…).

  • Organic

    Thanks for the good news mr about WWFM.

    And I suppose that anyone who complained to the FCC had already complained to RCA for the song itself when it came out. Because Adam just held true to the lyrics of the song. However, I doubt that anyone complained about the lyrics. If people are really being serious about caring for the morality of our nation, why aren’t they complaining about the words to the vast majority of tunes that teens are listening to these days. Guess Adam’s just the scapegoat because if people were really concerned about the music industry and it’s affect on children, there’d be alot more complaints happening.

  • Gigi3

    One “positive” result of the AMA awards is the purging of some fans who didn’t really get the direction Adam would be heading with his career. My mom is conservative and very “religious” (culturally and spiritually), yet she loved Adam from Idol and some carefully screened pre-Idol clips. I knew it could never last, and sure enough, after the AMAs she called me to let me know she was done with him. She stayed up late to watch the show just for his performance, and did not like what she saw AT ALL. I believe her exact quote was, “he looked like the devil” LOL (sorry mom.)

    Adam was never going to keep the Brigadoon/10 Commandments-loving fans for the long term. The AMAs just nipped it in the bud. She wouldn’t have liked his CD either. No hymns on it, unlike SuBo’s.

  • grammydi

    adamland – Thank you so much for your insightful comments about the AMA atmosphere and Adam hype throughout the evening. As a TV viewer I too felt that hype at every commercial break all night long and worried about the pressure on him to perform up to it, incredibly talented as he is. Too bad that it worked out the way it did, but he is certainly not losing this older fan! A few days after AMAs, I was in the Early Show audience to support him, along with two of my younger new Glambert friends and hundreds of others.

    I adore almost every song on his debut CD and don’t skip over any. I was in awe of his ability to perform 10 of those songs live at Gridlock and make them sound even better than on his CD. 2010 is a new year and he is off to a wonderful start with his Gridlock performances and upcoming appearance on Oprah! I can’t wait for his live tour.

  • Grammie Kari

    Sometimes the latter INCLUDES the former; Elvis, for example, was HUGE around 50 years ago, and he did exactly the kind of sexual pushing of boundaries and ‘unintelligent’ entertainment that you are criticizing. There is a lot of idealizing and selective memory when people remember the “good old days.”

    Just to put a few things in perspective. Elvis had sexual energy which made a lot of parents apprehensive or shocked. My parents were in their late 20s when Elvis appeared on Ed Sullivan’s show. His persona was one that was NOT abrasive. Ed assured parents this is a real nice young man. His interviews presented a good ole country boy who loved his mama. His films were never rated “R”.

    Adam has offended many with his interviews. There are so many who liked Adam on Idol, but can’t stand him now. His interviews did nothing to reassure parents that this is a good “kid”. That performance on the AMA would receive an “R” rating by any standards.

    One other thing, good positive, HUMBLE interviews would have gone a long way for Adam. The comment about not being a “babysitter” really bothered parents of tweens and teens. Did Adam know how many 11-14 year-olds voted for him each week? Many of their parents refused to buy his CD or allow downloads.

    I do believe Adam is talented; however, he really needs to soften his image.

  • edee

    I am just curious as to why you were surprised that a TV 14 rated show contained sexual content, when the disclaimer was broadcast.

    Exactly. This was not a show for kids by any means, hence the TV-14 designation. Did those whiners who wrote into the FCC still expect a kid friendly program even with that rating? I think there’s this unreasonable expectation from a certain tight-laced, holier-than-thou segment of the population that all programming should be kid friendly in the off chance that somewhere some lazy parent doesn’t want to follow the warnings and lets their darling offspring watch something they’re not supposed to be watching. Which is ludicrous and I say that as a parent of a tween myself who was not allowed to watch the AMAs. These people want everyone from the TV networks to the cable company to entertainers to do their job for them and parent their kids. Well, I for one am very glad that there are entertainers out there who don’t give a damn about babysitting somebody’s kids and just go with their art.

    The kids probably weren’t harmed by Adam’s performance but the people who wrote letters laden with grammatical mistakes, faux moral outrage and horrible, bigoted, homophobic statements just proved that their kids are better off looking up to some random entertainer than their own parents.

  • lazyc0w

    ididn’t go through all the comments and maybe my questions have already been answered but i will try once again.

    Why are all these letters surfacing now? (And when such issues happened in the past, do complaint letters surface after a while on www?) I dont get it at all. why can’t they all give it a rest? By they, i mean.. whoever posted on that particular site. i just googled Adam and noticed and all the news are about these letters.

  • lucy

    Adam has offended many with his interviews. There are so many who liked Adam on Idol, but can’t stand him now. His interviews did nothing to reassure parents that this is a good “kid”. That performance on the AMA would receive an “R” rating by any standards.

    One other thing, good positive, HUMBLE interviews would have gone a long way for Adam. The comment about not being a “babysitter” really bothered parents of tweens and teens. Did Adam know how many 11-14 year-olds voted for him each week? Many of their parents refused to buy his CD or allow downloads.

    I do believe Adam is talented; however, he really needs to soften his image.

    Only if he wants fans who want the softer image.

    If he just did what he felt he had to do on the show in order to advance to a level where he could get a recording contract and significant exposure, while fully intending to be the sexual, adult-oriented performer he was pre-show once the contest is over, then he doesn’t need to do anything different from what he’s doing. That’s what I expect he does want, so I’m not expecting to see any change.

    I know one can make the argument that, by doing this, he’s going to cut his sales way back. But honestly I think he would cut his sales either way.

    Those who want soft, family-friendly Adam are just as much of a niche group as those who want sexual, over-the-top Adam, I expect. I don’t really think he really ever has had any hope of being a huge huge mainstream star who appeals to people in many demographics and with many tastes (hardly anyone seem to have this potential these days, seems to me, if they ever did, actually …), so the task for post-Idol is just to choose his niche and go with it. Looks to me as if he’s chosen it — he’s going to focus on the niche that prefers sexual, adult-oriented performances.

    That may be a bummer for people who liked him on the show but who don’t find that niche to their liking. But, really, this isn’t the first time it’s happened with an Idol, is it? I mean, I really liked Daughtry on the show, for example, but the soft rock Nickelback niche that he has been in since the show is over? Not so much. …. But it’s not like Daughtry or Adam or anybody really *has* the choice to be all things to all people, seems to me. The music industry doesn’t really work that way, nor do audiences, I think.

  • mr

    Huh? “offended many with his interviews”? I’ve seen a lot of Adam interviews, and he’s always been really sweet in them.
    Maybe the only time he showed a bit of additude was right after the AMAs, and even then he was speaking with a wink.

    And anyway, like Lucy said, I don’t think he wants a soft image, lol…
    His idols are Freddie, Bowie, Madonna and GaGa… are any of these “soft” in your opinion???

    And I have news for you- 11-14 year olds don’t always like those who want to be “babysitters” but are rather drawn to the edgier artists who piss off their parents… so he definitely doesn’t have to act all puritan to attract the younger audience, on the contrary…

  • JazzRocks

    What great posts here from both fans and non-fans. As a fan I was not offended in any way by the AMA performance but I was (and still am) disappointed that he blew this big chance. I’m also pretty certain that one performance won’t have a long-lasting negative effect on his career. AFTER the performance his newly released album sold very well – and continues to do so. Former fans who are so easily offended are better off being just that – former fans.
    Here is a part of one post I just don’t get however:

    Adam has offended many with his interviews. There are so many who liked Adam on Idol, but can’t stand him now. His interviews did nothing to reassure parents that this is a good “kid”.

    I feel exactly the opposite. He came across as an articulate, charismatic, nice guy in every single interview since the AMA’s. Even the hosts of each of these shows remarked on his down-to-earth nice “guyness”.

    Someone up thread suggested “Let’s Do It”. Cole Porter & Adam Lambert. My dream team!

  • Kate8

    I think there are alot more important battles for people who are concerned about what their children are exposed to to fight than a raunchy AMA performance for Adam that could have been turned off. Try fighting for child sex offenders getting harsher sentences or closing down some nudie bar that is a block away from a High School or harsher laws for drug dealers selling to kids or school violence and bullying and domestic violence and discrimination against homosexuals. I think ABC overreacted to these complaints and hurt Adam’s career by cancelling some of his TV appearances. I guess people hating Adam’s vocals is not surprising, alot of people who don’t like the sexual nature are always gonna claim it is a cover up for not being able to sing. I have heard that before for Madonna and Britney. I don’t think it is a cover up for not being able to sing, but I think sometimes it takes away from people focusing on the vocals. It is too bad that Adam’s vocals were off that night as well.

  • ptslittlecomment

    One other thing, good positive, HUMBLE interviews would have gone a long way for Adam. The comment about not being a “babysitter” really bothered parents of tweens and teens. Did Adam know how many 11-14 year-olds voted for him each week? Many of their parents refused to buy his CD or allow downloads

    But he isn’t a babysitter and shouldn’t have to act like one. I don’t think he was being rude, just honest.

    I don’t find his remarks anymore blunt than those attributed to Miley Cyrus today in a Harper’s Bazaar interview.

    “People like controversy because that’s what sells. My job is to be a role model, and that’s what I want to do, but my job isn’t to be a parent. My job isn’t to tell your kids how to act or how not to act, because I’m still figuring that out for myself. So to take that away from me is a bit selfish. Your kids are going to make mistakes whether I do or not. That’s just life.”

    Adam has never, ever struck me as disrespectful in interviews or really abrasive. As he says, he presents himself as “glam with a smile’.

  • ptslittlecomment

    Nvm

  • KLI

    Adam has offended many with his interviews. There are so many who liked Adam on Idol, but can’t stand him now. His interviews did nothing to reassure parents that this is a good “kid”. That performance on the AMA would receive an “R” rating by any standards.

    One other thing, good positive, HUMBLE interviews would have gone a long way for Adam. The comment about not being a “babysitter” really bothered parents of tweens and teens. Did Adam know how many 11-14 year-olds voted for him each week? Many of their parents refused to buy his CD or allow downloads.

    I think Adam is positively charming in interviews! He is unbelievably articulate and humble beyond words. My two children, who are in the age demographic you mentioned, have seen many of his interviews, including the one where he said “he is an entertainer, not a babysitter”, and they vehemently agreed with him!

    I had a long discussion with them based on this interview with Adam, and it was a great learning experience for them. We discussed the following: (1) not everything Adam does is appropriate for children, (2) he is an entertainer not a babysitter, (3) what he does on stage is part of a performance not real life, (4) Adam is primarily an entertainer for adults but many of his performances are appropriate for children; and (5) how many of the Disney manufactured pop performers are considered appropriate for children but many adults consider them boring.

    I explained to my children that as a parent, I believe that one of my jobs is to help them develop a filter as to what they experience int he world. I want them to understand that some things are for adults and some things are for children, and they should not hesitate to stay away from what is meant for adults only.

    As a parent, I set boundaries about what they can be exposed to, but ultimately, I encourage them to develop their own filters because I am not able to control everything they are exposed to. They go to public schools; they spend time at their friends’ houses; they go on computers. They must have an internal compass and control that allows them to understand the world around them.

    Adam has inspired some of the best conversations I have ever had with my children about these issues. Just wanted to provide a different perspective because I’m sure I’m not the only one.

    ETA: my kids also tell me “I’m different from the other moms” because none of their friends talk to their parents, but my kids are willing to talk with me. LOL.

  • lucy

    I explained to my children that as a parent, I believe that one of my jobs is to help them develop a filter as to what they experience int he world. I want them to understand that some things are for adults and some things are for children, and they should not hesitate to stay away from what is meant for adults only.

    As a parent, I set boundaries about what they can be exposed to, but ultimately, I encourage them to develop their own filters because I am not able to control everything they are exposed to. They go to public schools; they spend time at their friends’ houses; they go on computers. They must have an internal compass and control that allows them to understand the world around them.

    Adam has inspired some of the best conversations I have ever had with my children about these issues. Just wanted to provide a different perspective because I’m sure I’m not the only one.

    No, you’re not the only one. Great post. Thanks.

  • Mitla96

    I don’t think the fan of Adam that used the freedom of information act to uncover these letters did him any favors. It’s pretty apparent that he wants to move on from this.

    I LOVED KLI’s post. My 15 yr old d and I have had many conversations about Adam, also. Funny aside: At Christmas, our family was playing a game called “Loaded question” where you answer a question anonymously and one player tries to guess which person had which answer. The question was, “What is a secret you have that someone would be surprised to know?” My d answered, “I really kinda do like Adam Lambert”. That tickled me, she always acts very indie and cool when I force her and her friends to listen to FYE in the car.

    AND of course all Adam fans know what Lambert would say about this entire thread: “Apples and Oranges! Apples and Oranges!”

  • Mainegal

    KLI….loved your post so much I sent it to the printer so I wouldn’t loose it and can reread it later…thank you for taking the time to share.

    Adam has inspired some of the best conversations I have ever had

    Me too….many of them right here @ MJ’s

  • PattyP

    justjude, thank you for the most even-handed response I’ve gotten, with no snark thrown in for good measure. I guess that’s why I post so infrequently here … I thought the rules were basically that snark and bashing shouldn’t be directed at other posters. Apparently, I can be the exception to MJ’s rule.

    I do respect your different opinion (and that of almost everyone who posted here), and I just would like to see the same respect for mine and that of those who filed complaints. Why should I be afraid to tell people here that I filed a complaint? But if I mention it, that becomes the subject of the next several posts, and it becomes “you belong with religious right-wing nuts,” rather than, “I disagree, but that’s your right.”

    That’s the only reason I’m posting in this thread: the lack of respect and/or just acceptance that people (like me) could have been offended enough to complain. For me, it was personally offensive and had nothing to do with my kids, so the TV14 label meant nothing to me … I wasn’t going to let them watch the program anyway. I didn’t realize that TV14 meant “we are entitled to violate the FCC’s standards as set down by that agency,” but many here feel that’s what it means because of the way it’s worded. Perhaps the FCC needs to reword their own standard, but right now, I’d say those two things are in conflict. It would seem to me to be difficult to have “intense sexual situations” that always fall below the FCC’s standards of indecency (before 10 PM; after that, their standards are more lax).

    (And I had read in many places that Adam would be closing the show, so I don’t find it that odd that I “knew” that ahead of time, but if you all want to keep picking at me, go right ahead.)

    ETA: I still like Adam but will filter for myself and for my kids which performances of his we watch and will probably never go see him in concert because his performance choices are not my cuppa. I might buy one or two of his singles off of the current CD, and I won’t turn the songs off the radio if I hear them. He doesn’t need to sing hymns to get me to like him, and I’ve never clutched any pearls, so I think some of you are misreading me and making assumptions that are unfounded.

  • tiger92

    That performance on the AMA would receive an “R” rating by any standards.

    I’m going to have to completely disagree with you here. Have you been to PG-13 movies here lately? I assure you there are much worse in those movies than what was seen in Adam’s performance. That performance WOULD NOT be rated R in movie theatres!

    Example: Off the top of my head-the movie “Nine”. Go watch this PG-13 rated movie and tell me Adam’s performance was more sexually suggestive than “Nine”.

  • tiger92

    ETA: I still like Adam but will filter for myself and for my kids which performances of his we watch and will probably never go see him in concert because his performance choices are not my cuppa.

    It was probaly good that you know what to expect before you spent hundred of dollars to take yourself and kids to a concert. In essence, Adam did you a favor. Now you know.
    Mad World or TOMT Adam will not appear from start to finish at one of his concerts.
    Adam might have lost some Idol fans, but I agree with the poster above-he might have needed to lose them sooner rather than later.

  • reinharv

    MJ: I imagine you will probably delete this because I have a beef with you but I have to have my say.

    I can’t believe what I just read. “Much to do about nothing??? Please, MJ, I strongly disagree. That was a disgusting performance & it had nothing to do about his crappy singing. Half the people on that show sang terribly.

    … “who are completely freaked out by the sexual innuendo, that included crotch grabbing, kissing, S&M, etc…”

    You forgot about the simulated Fellatio…

    According the Oxford’s dictionary: The term sexual innuendo has acquired a specific meaning, namely that of a “risque” double entendre by playing on a possibly sexual interpretation of an otherwise innocent uttering. Call me ignorant; however there was no “sexual innuendo” there – it was an “in-your-face” blatant sexual act & it wasn’t an innocent uttering misinterpreted as something else. I cannot believe that anyone would even approve of the theme – S&M, dragging dancers on the stage like pieces of meat, leading them like dogs on a leash. WTF were they thinking? How the heck they they give the OK for that theme? That wasn’t sexy one bit. Does anyone in their right mind think it is respectful to show women that way? Like dogs, being dragged like a piece of meat on that stage?

    Let’s not forget that his forced kiss & forced unrehearsed simulated fellatio can only be interpreted as sexual violence where those two people did not know he was going to do that & frankly couldn’t do anything about it but go along with it on national TV. All of that for our “entertainment”???

    I am sick to death of people saying that Madonna & Britney & whoever got away with stuff & I don’t think or respect anyone who does that & poor Adam was being unfairly picked on. I am also sick to death of people thinking it was okay with what he did.

    As far as poor grammar, well let me tell you that doesn’t mean a darn thing. If they were grammatically correct & their spelling was perfect, then would that make it more of a legitimate complaint? Please. People use shorthand, texting, & frankly in college I couldn’t believe how terrible some of grammar & spelling was on a lot of those term papers I read.

    To say that “I was more offended by the less than stellar performance from Adam…. So poor singing offends you, but nothing else about his “act” bothered you at all?

    In the workplace, if someone uses foul language or something that is interpreted as “sexual innuendo” in front of another co-worker or even someone who just hears it, that offender would be fired. It is not an option that “if you don’t like it, just walk away….” If you didn’t like the performance, you should have turned off your TV? I am sick of this kind of very liberal attitude – anything goes!!! American are prudes, etc.

    If people like that kind of stuff he or anyone else does in public, there is something VERY wrong with people’s morales. So go ahead & adore him, he’s just a fine upstanding model of what is good in American today.

  • lucy

    nothing to do with my kids, so the TV14 label meant nothing to me … I wasn’t going to let them watch the program anyway. I didn’t realize that TV14 meant “we are entitled to violate the FCC’s standards as set down by that agency,” but many here feel that’s what it means because of the way it’s worded. Perhaps the FCC needs to reword their own standard, but right now, I’d say those two things are in conflict. It would seem to me to be difficult to have “intense sexual situations” that always fall below the FCC’s standards of indecency (before 10 PM; after that, their standards are more lax).

    I think you have a perfect right to complain. However, I think that you’re probably quite mistaken about what Adam did being in violation of the FCC standard, as stated here:

    http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html

    FCC: “Indecent Broadcast Restrictions

    The FCC has defined broadcast indecency as “language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities.” Indecent programming contains patently offensive sexual or excretory material that does not rise to the level of obscenity.

    The courts have held that indecent material is protected by the First Amendment and cannot be banned entirely. It may, however, be restricted in order to avoid its broadcast during times of the day when there is a reasonable risk that children may be in the audience.

    Consistent with a federal indecency statute and federal court decisions interpreting the statute, the Commission adopted a rule that broadcasts — both on television and radio — that fit within the indecency definition and that are aired between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. are prohibited and subject to indecency enforcement action.”

    Given all the other stuff that’s routinely broadcast today, including right in the middle of the day, could you explain how what he did meets this standard? —

    “patently offensive as measured by contemporary standards for broadcast”

    Seems to me that that language compels one to examine the thing one is complaining about in terms of the “contemporary standards for broadcast,” and I have yet to hear an explanation of how it varies so wildly from tons and tons of other things.

    I do understand that, if it’s the only thing an individual viewer has looked at in this vein, then it can easily violate that person’s individual broadcast standards.

    However, the FCC looks at *all* of it. So when they analyze the situation, they definitely *are* compelled to look at *everything* that is broadcast before 10 pm, since their standard explicitly states that they only act against something that appears “in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium,”… and that being the case, I’d say there’s no way they would conclude that Adam’s stuff violates their rules, since contemporary broadcast standards have been pretty permissive for quite a long while now.

  • ptslittlecomment

    I still like Adam but will filter for myself and for my kids which performances of his we watch and will probably never go see him in concert because his performance choices are not my cuppa.

    I’m glad you still will listen to Adam and your reposnse seems fair. Again, I think you had every right to complain if you were offended.

    Having worked in media broadcasting for a while, ( which is of course governed by the FCC), I think that the agency leaves pretty much every standard up to interpretation. (My idea of indecency likely differs from yours, for example) and they don’t have anything set in stone. I predict how hard they come down on ABC and/or Adam will have everything to do with the numbers and the intensity of complaints they received about the AMA’s.

  • tiger92

    I am sick to death of people saying that Madonna & Britney & whoever got away with stuff & I don’t think or respect anyone who does that & poor Adam was being unfairly picked on. I am also sick to death of people thinking it was okay with what he did.

    If the other performances of the night and the other examples that have been given repeatedly are okay for network television, so is Adam’s performance.

    Janet Jackson grabbed a man’s crotch. Eminem bragged about having a rap sheet with 18 rapes. There was lewd, suggestive, crotch-grabbing dancing all over the stage that night.

    Green Day used the F-word on the GMA morning show. On the NYE show on ABC, JLo dressed in a suit that made her appear naked and a guys face was in her crotch. (Was that performance before or after the tweeny stars Selena Gomez and Justin Beiber?)

    There was a skit that aired around 7:30 last night on the PCAs that depicted an S&M three-way between a couple and a grandma. She was dressed in S & M gear and had a whip. She told the man, “Move over, you’re on top this time”. Oh, and the implication was the three of them were making a sex tape! Where are the complaints on that? Was that skit something that you wouldn’t want an 8 or 11 year old to see? It was on at 7:30!

    I’m sick to death of hearing about the performance at the AMAs! If concerned Americans are really bothered by sexual imagary, where is the outrage for these other things.

    I’m sorry that you are sick to death that people think Adam’s performance was okay. The point is, many people see nothing wrong with it. You have the right to dislike the performance and complain about it. I have the right to see nothing wrong with it. I also have the right to wonder why these other artists or performances are not getting FCC complaints or why the performers aren’t getting banned from that network’s future shows.

  • Adoring Adam

    The FCC has found it’s poster boy to show the world they are doing THEIR job. C’mon, the whole show was full of sexually explicit dances and lyris. If you didn’t know by 10 o’clock that Adam was going to be outrageous, then you really have a problem. I wouldn’t let my children watch a show like that to begin with. Did parents really believe that Adam would be tame when everyone else wasn’t? I didn’t particularly love the performance but it was the most exciting one on the show. I am an Adam fan and I think he seems to be a great guy. He took responsibility for his actions in his way and it was honest. My God, there is a war killing our young men and women and corruption in government, and people dying from diseases. Why doesn’t the FCC tackle those problems. They are really OBSCENE!

  • Planet Fierce

    Adam is not going to roll over on this. He is not going to mold himself into something he is not. He is edgy, he is sexual, he is gorgeous, and he can sing and entertain like nobody’s business. I will pay to see him anywhere anytime. He is not nor will he ever be for everyone and not in particular young children. He is an entertainer. The AMA’s is not billed as a public service announcement. It is the culmination of music industries top entertainers. ABC pulled up on stage those entertainers that have a very visual component to their acts. I know Kelly Clarkson just stood there and sang, but she was the exception, not the rule. So I say ABC was deliberately going after the envelope pushers CAN WE PLEASE BE HONEST ABOUT THIS because this is what is really the problem here. The way they pimped Adam’s performance as “eye popping” etc., etc., all through the show while all the other performers were grabbing and thrusting and whatevahhh (and showing as much as they could). Adam comes in fully clothed and really pushes the envelope, which is what ABC in essence promised the audience that he was going to do….DO NOT KID YOURSELVES ABOUT THIS! and now everyone wants Adam to be the one to pay the price the for this alone. How about dumping the blame for this where it belongs 1) ABC – they played with fire and got burned…they should have had a separate adult warning for Adam’s performance, 2) Adam for stepping outside of what was rehearsed PERIOD, 3) the parents – for watching with their children as the train wreck happended and then complaining about it afterwards.

  • Mainegal

    If you didn’t like the performance, you should have turned off your TV? I am sick of this kind of very liberal attitude – anything goes!!!

    I turn off my TV constantly when a particular program, for any number of reasons, is not to my liking….I don’t see this as a “liberal attitude”- I see it as a “practical” solution.

  • lucy

    The FCC has found it’s poster boy to show the world they are doing THEIR job.

    Please don’t pin the ruckus on the FCC. They’ve said nothing about this, and I predict they never will. They’re looking at overall broadcast norms when they rule on these things and I’m pretty certain that when they look at Adam’s performance in the context of the overall broadcast norms that many here have mentioned, they will quickly conclude that his stuff didn’t violate those norms.

    That’s not to say that citizens don’t have a perfect right to argue that those norms are wrong — but citizens saying that won’t create an FCC ruling.

    The Janet Jackson ruling had a nudity angle of a sexual/excretory organ — which, however inadvertent (or not), is *not* something we generally see on broadcast these days. And the Jackson FCC was a Republican agency, making a great effort to show the conservative base that the administration sided with them. …. Neither of those things is true in this case.

    Citizens are complaining because what Adam did violates some personal standard of theirs. That’s perfectly fine and the way things are supposed to work. But it’s a long distance between such complaints and any actual action by the FCC.

  • Laury

    It was just a performance, an act for entertainment; it wasn’t a educational representation of how real life should be……

    BTW, Here in my country if you don’t like something on TV you have the option to change the channel with the remote control (the show was over you already knew who was the biggest winner of the night) and On Sunday at 11:00pm children are sleeping because on Monday they have School.

    I agree with MJ I was more disappointed about Adam’s vocals and the sound wasn’t good either.

  • Mainegal

    ETA….I also think a comparision of a musical performance to what would be allowed in the workplace is not logical. Michelangelo’s “David” is an artistic masterpiece….don’t think I would want it in my office reception area. Muzak plays on the elevator in my business parking garage…don’t think I would pay for a concert ticket.

  • KLI

    Lucy: thanks for clarifying the argument. You are spot on with your analysis re the difference between the Janet Jackson ruling and the AMA performance. Even though Adam’s AMA performance was more raunchy than what happened to Janet Jackson (whether inadvertent or not), an exposed nipple on broadcast tv these days does NOT meet contemporary community standards by any measure. It simply isn’t done on broadcast tv–even in the context of a mother nursing a baby, which is a completely non sexual act.

    There are many many instances on regular broadcast tv to all of the following: S&M and S&M imagery, sex talk and jokes, makeout and sexual scenes, girl on girl kissing, references to blow jobs, scantily clad women, etc. The FCC would have to take ALL this into account when determining whether the AMA performance did not meet contemporary community standards. Given the gay sex scene that recently aired during daytime on One Life to Live, it seems that contemporary community standards are pretty broad these days. Nudity of a sexual/excretory organ is not within that scope, however, which is critical to the issue at hand.

    The only reason Adam was singled out is because what he did was an expression of gay male sexuality. There is no other explanation for how he was treated because that was the only difference between what he did and what is broadcast on network tv all the time–during prime time and on regular (not cable) tv.

    FWIW: I did not care for the AMA performance, but I appreciated what he was trying to do. I felt bad for him that he tried so hard, and it didn’t go over well.

  • lobbydesigner

    Adam’s album is definitely very good and it should have sold way more than it did. It’s just so sad that Adam decided to sabotage his own career on an impulse. He alienated a lot of his fans, and I don’t know if he’ll ever be able to get them back.

    I know many of you will say that it’s better that he lost them sooner rather than later because they weren’t really fans…I disagree. The Idol fans he may have lost were attracted to his uniqueness and amazing vocal ability. That’s not what he displayed at the AMA’s. The performance was crude, lewd, offensive & disturbing on so many levels, and I dare say appealed to a small minority of his fans…don’t think he’ll be making any new fans if he doesn’t tone it way down.

  • Mitla96

    Poor Adam! I really think he thought he was just PERFORMING THE SONG!

    Oh, to the posters that will never attend an Adam concert. Your decision of course, but he is a once-in-a-lifetime live performer. To hear that voice in person is something. And, what may be lewd in closeup is kinda more “Did I just see what I thought I saw?” in a big arena. My 15 yo D and I laughed and screamed at the hip action in WLL live. And I think this is more what he intends than to offend. New interview:

    http://bit.ly/57sAui

  • IdolThoughts

    In the workplace, if someone uses foul language or something that is interpreted as “sexual innuendo” in front of another co-worker or even someone who just hears it, that offender would be fired. It is not an option that “if you don’t like it, just walk away….” If you didn’t like the performance, you should have turned off your TV? I am sick of this kind of very liberal attitude – anything goes!!! American are prudes, etc.
    If people like that kind of stuff he or anyone else does in public, there is something VERY wrong with people’s morales. So go ahead & adore him, he’s just a fine upstanding model of what is good in American today.

    Art and entertainment are subjective. Art doesn’t cater to one set of morals or tastes.

    If I were at my workplace and my co-worker dragged another co-worker across the floor on a leash, I might be alarmed. But, I think there is a clear distinction between what is appropriate in real life versus what takes place in music, television, movies and art.
    I want the option and the freedom to make those distinctions and to judge for myself.

    I think Adam understands what is appropriate moving forward. I think his actions after the performance were classy and professional. If forgiveness and open-mindedness make me liberal and immoral, then sign me up!

    I also don’t think that there was a sexual assault or blatant sex act. Suggested, yes, but unless I missed it…I didn’t see any penises or actual penetration take place. Oh wait…Adam’s tongue did penetrate Tommy’s mouth. And, I’m pretty sure Tommy liked it.

  • IdolThoughts

    The bottom part is my post. I don’t know what happened with the block quotes. The top part is reinharv‘s.

  • KLI

    don’t think he’ll be making any new fans if he doesn’t tone it way down.

    Have you seen his performances since the AMA’s?

    Completely toned down but still inspiring.

    Did you see the Gridlock videos?

    Super sexy but still classy. By all accounts, an epic performance.

    I’ve said this so many times, but Adam’s tone and performance style completely depends on the audience and the song he is singing at the moment.

    He has three beautiful ballads on his album–Soaked, Broken Open, and Loaded Smile. Each of those songs will represent a return to the Mad World/Tracks of My Tears genre. I would bet money on the fact that he will not do anything remotely sexual when he performs these songs. The lyrics don’t call for it, and he is always true to the lyrics. That is what he is all about as a performer.

  • KLI

    Oh wait…Adam’s tongue did penetrate Tommy’s mouth. And, I’m pretty sure Tommy liked it.

    It’s always looked to me like Tommy’s mouth is completely shut in that picture, but I can’t really tell. And I agree with you, Tommy was completely fine with it. In an interview at Gridlock, he said that Adam was the best person he had ever met in his life (or something like that). He’s in awe of him like so many of his fans are.

  • Mainegal

    I want the option and the freedom to make those distinctions and to judge for myself.

    exactly!! IdolThoughts…a very succinct summation to the never-ending AMA debate.! As for me, I think that puts the final touch on this particular subject.

  • ptslittlecomment

    I’ve said this so many times, but Adam’s tone and performance style completely depends on the audience and the song he is singing at the moment.

    Which IMO is the main reason they switched from FYE to WWFM in televised performances so quickly. So Adam would also be identified with the subdued performances.

  • Mitla96

    It’s always looked to me like Tommy’s mouth is completely shut in that picture, but I can’t really tell. And I agree with you, Tommy was completely fine with it. In an interview at Gridlock, he said that Adam was the best person he had ever met in his life (or something like that). He’s in awe of him like so many of his fans are.

    LOL, Tommy is a sweet person as the following vid shows and DEFINITELY not adverse to some ad hoc kissing!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeZj82cEPc&feature=PlayList&p=F771A41964F8E43D&index=0&playnext=1

  • agathe.hb

    Grammie Kari, I understand your point of view, but what Adam was trying to say about his not being a baby sitter and double standard was that there were other performers before him, who were also sexually explicit and nobody said a word about that – he never promissed to be an angel, he always said that he liked to push buttons and that he was not for everybody – it’s your right not to like him anymore, but IN MY OPINION he stayed true to himself, just gave an underpar performance and that was his mistake.

  • KLI

    Which IMO is the main reason they switched from FYE to WWFM in televised performances so quickly. So Adam would also be identified with the subdued performances.

    I’m glad they made the switch–or maybe they were planning on doing it all along. I don’t think it’s possible for him to sing a song about sex and not do really sexy stuff. It’s not how he’s wired. He’s a full body performer, and he expresses the lyrics with every part of his body. And I mean *every* part.

    I believe him when he says he gets caught up in the moment and surprises even himself. That’s what makes him such an exciting live performer. But in the end, he needs a song that’s not about sex to be able to present a more mainstream performance.

  • agathe.hb

    KLI, ETA: my kids also tell me “I’m different from the other moms” because none of their friends talk to their parents, but my kids are willing to talk with me. LOL.
    THIS, you have worded it so eloquently, I agree with you 100%. We will never be able to completely shield our kids – my role as a parent is to develop a sound judgment in my kid so that she will be able to make a right decision, when the time comes – and it’s only hoping… The more we shield our kids the more they want to see what is outside that shield.

  • KLI

    Oh, by the way, I was lucky enough to snag tickets to the Oprah taping next week. I’ll tweet right afterwords.

    If anyone is interested, you can follow me at @inscrutable7. You can unfollow afterwords if you want. LOL.

  • tiger92

    Adam’s album is definitely very good and it should have sold way more than it did. It’s just so sad that Adam decided to sabotage his own career on an impulse.

    FYE is the 2nd highest selling debut album of the year. It’s almost Gold. It is outselling the winner’s cd more than 2 to 1. Outside of the United States, FYE is outselling KA 9 to 1.
    Are you saying FYE could be outselling KA by 3 to 1 or even 4 to 1 if Adam hadn’t done the AMA performance?

  • Mainegal

    KLI…I will join twitter just to follow you…I’m so jealous. Don’t spare us any of the details!!

  • agathe.hb

    KLI, I will definitely follow you on Twitter from now on – I totally agree with your point of view on many things :) talking with kids is one of them of course :)

  • agathe.hb

    and KLI I AM JELLUS ;)

  • KLI

    By the way, I’m not just shilling for twitter followers. LOL. I am actually going, which I’m still kind of shocked about. They asked me if I am also a big SuBo fan because she is also going to on the show. Of course I said yes (what else could I say), but I will cheer madly for her if that’s what it takes to go.

    I’m from Chicago so that might have helped. Don’t know.

  • Mainegal

    but I will cheer madly for her if that’s what it takes to go.

    KLI…way to take one for team!!

  • lashes3699

    I know many of you will say that it’s better that he lost them sooner rather than later because they weren’t really fans…I disagree. The Idol fans he may have lost were attracted to his uniqueness and amazing vocal ability. That’s not what he displayed at the AMA’s. The performance was crude, lewd, offensive & disturbing on so many levels, and I dare say appealed to a small minority of his fans…don’t think he’ll be making any new fans if he doesn’t tone it way down.

    Well, to counter this, I know many who have hopped on the Adam train SINCE this performance!! They were glad to see him do it and thought he was not being himself on Idol!!

    Anywho, I am a mother to three boys, ages 10, 8, and 3. Now, the 3 year old was in bed, but I did let the 8 and 10 stay up (I live in Illinois and it was only 9:55 – their bedtime is 9:30) to see the performance. They love Adam as much as I do and I will tell you this: they saw nothing wrong with his performance. To them, he was dancing and singing and having fun!! My 10 year old did wonder why I gasped when he kissed Tommy; he thought it was a girl. My 8 year old and already left the room. My 10 year old and I had a nice, long discussion about the performance and what people would be saying about Adam. He got made fun of for wearing his Adam Lambert concert t-shirt to school and I was so proud of him for his response to his male friends!! He told him he didn’t care who Adam Lambert kissed or if he was gay!! He loves his music!!!!! I don’t know about any of you, but I feel I am raising him right!! To be open minded and not judgemental!! By the way, he had most of the young ladies in his class defend him for wearing the shirt and they think he is COOL!!

  • agathe.hb

    KLI, here’s just hoping they won’t make Adam sing a duet with SuBo, he might try to imitate her like last time ;)

  • agathe.hb

    lashes3699, you are definitely doing a good job as a parent – I have always been open with my kid and she and I can talk about anything and her friends also come to me to talk about things they are afraid to talk to with their parents.

  • lashes3699

    I can’t edit my post but wanted to add: KLI!!! I am so jealuos!!! Have a blast taking in Adam in all of his awesomeness!!

  • Mainegal

    I don’t know about any of you, but I feel I am raising him right!! To be open minded and not judgemental!!

    good for you lashes3699..I think you’re loving them perfectly!!

    By the way, he had most of the young ladies in his class defend him for wearing the shirt and they think he is COOL!!

    proves that sticking up for your principles does have it perks!! ..and I would say he’s veeery cool!

  • KLI

    I am SURE they won’t be singing a duet. Not that I have any inside knowledge, but it’s just not going to happen. They each want to promote their albums and their songs.

    A couple people tweeted me after I put the news out on twitter wanting to know if I heard about whether they were singing a duet, but at the time they called I was so stunned I could barely talk coherently let alone ask an intelligent question. I’ve totally calmed down now, but I was actually hyperventilating when I got the call. I was sooo surprised!!

  • ptslittlecomment

    I will follow you as well KLI. Thanks for the link.

  • agathe.hb

    KLI, I don’t blame you, I would be so totally stunned in your place :) just make sure you give us a great and detailed recap afterwards :)

  • KLI

    Talking about kids, I’ve had some really good conversations with my nine year old son because of Adam. He told me how kids at school use the word gay all the time to call each other names but now he knows that he shouldn’t do that, and he understands why it is wrong. I am soooo proud of him.

    I am a HUGE opponent of name calling. I simply can’t stand it. I’m also on a rampage to get my kids’ friends to stop using the word “moron.” In my professional career, I work with many people who have children with disabilities, and I take great offense at the casual use of the word.

    If anyone is interested, there is a new post at the Smoking Gun showing additional complaints.

    This link appears to go to a page where the complaint is written as sarcasm (or parody). Not sure which word to use.

  • agathe.hb

    well, KLI, people will keep calling other people names :( stupid, moron, geek, nerd, etc., etc.
    As I see it, they use those names not really understanding what they convey – most people would not call a really mentally challenged person a “moron”.

  • agathe.hb

    KLI, from what I see, all those complaints are either pro Adam or just mocking the entire controversy :)
    thanks for the link

  • KLI

    I hope most of the complaints are mocking the controversy or are pro Adam. I didn’t really want to waste too much time reading through there myself, although I did read a couple.

  • cher

    OMG KLI, soooo jealous!!!!! have no clue how to use twitter, but will find a way to follow you!!! I’m going to tell all my friends that love Adam who aren’t dunce like me to follow you on twitter. :) Hope someone will post your tweets in this blog somewhere. Thanks and have a great time at the taping.

  • agathe.hb

    cher, it’s really easy, if you want, e-mail me and I will instruct you how to do it, you can also follow mj and adam – it’s fun
    agathe.hb@gmail.com

  • Mitla96

    KLI, I didn’t know you were inscrutable7! Looking forward to your report,

    Mitla96

  • Mitla96

    P.S. Talked today to a friend of mine in Wheaton, IL (Chicago suburb) and she says that she has friends who have tried to get Oprah tickets FOR YEARS without success, so essentially KLI, you have won the lottery!

  • retjenny

    Adam for stepping outside of what was rehearsed PERIOD,

    I would like to make one observation and if I am incorrect I am sure someone with let me know.

    Observation: Since the AMA’s I have never once seen Tommy playing the keyboards. It seems to me that he was cleverly position at the top of the performance apparatus for the purpose of being the kissee! As in “pre planned”

  • Mainegal

    It seems to me that he was cleverly position at the top of the performance apparatus for the purpose of being the kissee! As in “pre planned”

    or…..if that’s where the keyboards were placed (which I’m certain was a staging consideration) ..Adam would have kissed whoever was playing them that night…still “stepping outside” of what was rehearsed.

  • KLI

    Mitla97:

    Yeah, inscrutable7 is my alter ego. I do feel like I’ve won the lottery. I’ve heard of other people trying to get tickets to Oprah for years, and they couldn’t do it.

    FYI: I just got through to my friend who I wanted to ask to go with me, and she started screaming when I told her. I’m not a die hard Oprah fan like some people, but I do appreciate how much people want to go to her show, and I am certainly grateful for the opportunity because she is going off the air this year.

    Oh, and by the way, I know EXACTLY where Wheaton is! There are lots of great suburbs around Chicago.

  • weareallinnocent

    So, I’m just here for a short stint and to say I’m scanning comments is an over-/under-statement… This is purely a fly-by. BUT, I saw (an extremely passionate) post that hit me, and I felt the need to comment briefly, so here goes. (And for what it’s worth, I’ve no “beef” with the poster, someone from whom I’ve respected and enjoyed posts over time.)

    To say that “I was more offended by the less than stellar performance from Adam…. So poor singing offends you, but nothing else about his “act” bothered you at all?”

    It is possible, without judgment of people’s morals or mores, that someone felt exactly that. I know, because I did. It was eye-popping, in the sense that I knew that it would bring scorn from many, but the vocals were much more troubling for me knowing how talented the guy really is in the vocals department.

    So yeah, there are those of us out here that saw it just as MJ did. I’m not casting aspersions in the direction of those offended, so I don’t find it appropriate to cast them toward those who were not. Live and let live — try to define freedom any other way, I challenge you.

  • Sherena

    In the workplace, if someone uses foul language or something that is interpreted as “sexual innuendo” in front of another co-worker or even someone who just hears it, that offender would be fired.

    The workplace is the workplace. The rules are set there not for moral reasons, but for reasons of creating an environment suitable for work and productivity. The TV is NOT the workplace; the entertainment industry is based around stimulating the emotions, especially sexual, sensual, or thrilling emotions, whereas the workplace is the opposite; emotions are meant to be kept reined in for the sake of not interfering with the work.

    Secondly, are you implying that any displaying of “sexual innuendo” should be treated in ALL public venues the way it is treated in the workplace–that is, resulting in a ban of the “offending” person from returning to that venue?

  • jem88

    I’m actually a relatively new fan of Adam Lambert. I’ve seen him on and off on American Idol but it wasn’t a show I followed. So I didn’t care for him.

    It was actually the AMAs that got my attention. When he performed, I laughed so hard. It was stupid, vulgar, and dirty. It was a trainwreck. But I loved it. It was raw and gutsy. I was very very entertained.

    I wasn’t offended. I’ve seen much worse on daytime television where kids are more likely to see. I was more offended by Eminem’s lyrics about Rape, which was disgusting. There was a little girl, age 11, from my neighbourhood who was found dead and raped so that brought back horrible feelings.

    Music Awards are raunchy anyways so I expected a lot of the acts to be sexual and in your face. I prefer sexual > violence anyways.

    I followed him during the fallout to see what he would do. He didn’t apologize and he stated ‘I’m not a babysitter.’ He took full responsibility and in no way blamed ABC. He kept his head held high and he was so blunt and honest. I started to admire him for not breaking down like anyone under that much pressure would and staying positive and looking forward.

    I watched his performances and checked out the Youtube clips of him. He’s a really really good singer. And well now I’m an invested fan.

    I’m sure I’m not the only one who came into his fandom because of his AMA performance.

  • cher

    Good for you jem88. There are many worse things going on in the world than a risque and raunchy music performance by Adam Lambert. As MJ said, it really was “much ado about nothing”.

  • Esqt

    I really laugh hard at this one:
    http://www.defamer.com.au/2010/01/the-adam-lambert-complaints-think-of-the-children/

    It shows that when people are enraged, they don’t think write straight.

  • Grammie Kari

    Hello! I am open-minded enough to appreciate all views on this subject. Adam has many loyal fans and I am sure he appreciates them to the fullest.

    I am only expressing views from family and friends. I also moderate a Parenting forum, so it is possible their views might be more harsh. Many loved Kris Allen, too. So, that may be part of it.

    At this point in time, I won’t be purchasing Adam or Kris’ album. However, I do wish them both the best of luck. No one can deny they are talenetd young men.