Adam Lambert 11/25 Good Morning America Appearance CANCELED

WHY? His last performance on GMA was actually one of my favorites!

someone needs to tell Adam then, since Tommy just Tweeted that it was still on.

I would like to know WHY before we start responding. Could Adam’s team have had something to do with it? Was it totally ABC? Did they give a reason? I don’t want to be a Glambert/Claymate here, flailing without reason. Wish Adam would give an official statement or tweet for his fans.

It’s mess. I don’t know what to think. I’m still hoping…

Un-Fucking-Believable. So how sad is it that our country is regressing instead of progressing. It’s okay for untalented, can’[t sing to save their lives, Britney and Madonna to kiss each other. I’m so pissed off right now that I can’t formulate the words to express my disgust.

Well, here’s the thing. On one hand I do think GMA is overreacting and probably playing right into Adam’s hands because he seems to love controversy right now more than he’d love a #1 album. Sads.

But the reality is he took his first live post-AI performance and used it to go beyond what the AMAs and Dick Clark knew he was doing. And then bragged about it. And screamed about discrimination, even though he was in the wrong for not clearing those acts ahead of time. So it really shouldn’t be a shock that a morning show like GMA, a show that is also live, might be wary of letting him use their show to try to stir up more publicity for himself by again going outside the planned routine.

As far as fans who traveled to see the show, that sucks but that is also what trip insurance is for (for those who aren’t there yet, I mean). Besides, they traveled to NYC not Fargo, ND. It’s NYC during Thanksgiving week. I’m sure they’ll find something fun to do, if they want to.

I believe you MJ but someone needs to tell Adam’s keyboardist since he tweeted 21 minutes ago that GMA is still on. Has the GMA appearance been rescheduled for another date? I wouldn’t think so because cancelled means cancelled.

http://twitter.com/TommyJoeRatliff/status/6011455598

GMA is still on! Didn’t get canceled Letterman went great, we had a lot of fun!!! 21 minutes ago from UberTwitter

I’m not sure I understand the decision but I guess it’s more publicity for Adam albeit not for his music.

Seems like Tommy would know? I don’t want to make any comments because I am just too stunned and incredulous.

Well he has no one to blame but himself, but still sucks for his fans, especially as it’s so last minute.

This is ridiculous. GMA will get a ton of flack for this and rightfully so. Unless they are getting an extra super special exclusive interview with Obama or something to take Adam’s slot on the show, then my firm belief is that THIS is discrimination.

I believe you MJ but someone needs to tell Adam’s keyboardist since he tweeted 21 minutes ago that GMA is still on. Has the GMA appearance been rescheduled for another date? I wouldn’t think so because cancelled means cancelled.

Well Adam didn’t know this morning from his interviews on radio.

Yeah, but it’s okay for Rhianna to appear at 7 am with her ass hanging out of a dress she can’t zip up? This is all bullshit. I’ve never watched GMA and looks like I never will. It’s all good – if Lambert appealed to mainstream Amerika, I’d want nothing to do with him!

Someone needs to tell Adam and the Band. Adam did two radio performances this morning and never mentioned it. PLUS, Tommy (keyboardist) tweeted the concert is still on.

I’ll be so disappointed if this is not just a scheduling issue…

Twitter says he is now on The Early Show tomorrow

TommyJoeRatliff

Ok I’m REALLY sorry for the mix up!!! I JUST found out that we are not playing GMA. We ARE playing The Early Show!

Interesting

I called the Hudson Theatre this morning. They said cancelled.

They will be on the early show instead – according to Tommy

Perez has it on his site:

@perezhilton Breaking! Sources confirm to me that ABC has cancelled Adam Lambert’s performance on Good Morning America tomm http://bit.ly/75wMj0 2 minutes ago from web

I’m with Hanna. I’d like to know why. But, if there is no statement from GMA, I’ll assume the worst: censorship and a double standard.

It’s okay for untalented, can’[t sing to save their lives, Britney and Madonna to kiss each other.

Right but that was just kissing. I’m thinking it was the simulated fellatio in a forced sex context that’s the problem. I’m not naive enough to think Adam’s sexuality had nothing to do with it (unfortunately) but at the same time I think there wouldn’t have been a problem without the simulated fellatio, especially in a forced context. JMO.

But the reality is he took his first live post-AI performance and used it to go beyond what the AMAs and Dick Clark knew he was doing. And then bragged about it. And screamed about discrimination, even though he was in the wrong for not clearing those acts ahead of time.

See though, I think ABC and the AMAs most definitely knew what they were getting into with Adam. Ok, maybe not ALL of it, but geez they were hyping him ALL night on Sunday, as giving an “eye popping”, shocking performance that would be talked about the next day. Hell, part of the reason they booked him and gave him the final spot was to make him the water cooler moment of the show, knowing he wouldn’t just be singing a song and playing it safe.

He’s going to be bigger than ever now. Like telling a kid they can’t do something – they want to do it all the more now. Fans are going to come out of the woodwork.

CBS must be ecstatic.

The lack of official press releases is weird.

ABC is a biz. They knew what the AMA’s were all about. They pimped Adam. They would be thrilled that the AMA’s built an audience.

This makes no sense.

I hope he kicks ass in the most adorable angelic way on CBS tomorrow, that would be hilarious.

And without the bj and the kiss, there wasn’t really anything shocking about that performance. (and even that wasn’t shocking to me.) Adam falling shocked me!

yall, i wouldnt jump to conlusions really. IFFFFF (big if) this has to do with sunday’s peformance it has everything to do with the fact that some stuff was just inappropriate for a regular network tv. Some stuff was jus a bit too sexual (i have no problem with it) and it has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a gay male. Plain and simple. THe whole madonna britney thing…it was on a cable network, MTV, to be exact so its different. look what they did when the whole janet/justin thing happened. it really has nothing to do with the fact that he’s gay.

I would like to know WHY before we start responding.

Simple–ABC is trying to keep the FCC at bay. Rihanna wearing a skimpy dress is one thing and no one gets fined for that. Adam simulating oral sex and supposedly getting caught up in the moment to where he rough-kissed a band member is another story–one that could cost ABC a lot of money.

I’ll wait to see the rest of the story before forming more of an opinion.

GMA could have pre-taped his performance if they were worried about him being a loose cannon. This is a political move.

This is ridiculous. GMA will get a ton of flack for this and rightfully so. Unless they are getting an extra super special exclusive interview with Obama or something to take Adam’s slot on the show, then my firm belief is that THIS is discrimination

COME ON!!! How is this discrimination? ABC picked a gay man to close the AMAs and they knew the sexual nature of the performance. If he was cancelled, it is because he decided to throw stuff in that wasn’t in the rehearsal. These award shows are planned to the tiniest detail, it is why they have so many run throughs. Adam was incredibly unprofessional to just do whatever he wanted. Artists have rules they play by, if Adam doesn’t want to play by those rules he cant complain about the consequences.

Keep in mind that the only thing we are going to hear from GMA is what their attorney’s want us to hear.

I called the Hudson also and they said it was cancelled there but moved to another location, that is what the lady who answered thinks but if MJ is saying it, it is probably so – we have emails to our ABC affliate and he hasnt got back to us yet but this sucks

Oh man. Unless they have a really good explanation for this that does not involve disapproval of Adam, I don’t think they’re going to like the smell of the can of worms they just opened up. I am shocked at this.

If GMA is actually canceling, and the day before no less, they darn well better put an explanation up on their website as to the reason. I wonder why they haven’t done that…

TommyJoeRatliff

Ok I’m REALLY sorry for the mix up!!! I JUST found out that we are not playing GMA. We ARE playing The Early Show!

Interesting

Well, Today Show has Bon Jovi already planned outside, so this almost has me thinking – GMA dumped him because of the controversy, and the early show immediately snatched him up deciding they’re just fine with the risk, plus added publicity. Just a guess.

So Adam is too risque for ABC but not for CBS??? That makes no sense. Oh well, the Today Show is bigger than GMA anyways.

if Adam doesn’t want to play by those rules he cant complain about the consequences.

How come the rules for Adam are different than the rules for Britney?

Maybe they realized that they did not have an area big enough or enough security to contain this event? That is possible, right?

ABC is a biz. They knew what the AMA’s were all about. They pimped Adam. They would be thrilled that the AMA’s built an audience.

This makes no sense.

It does if you think the AMAs and ABC used Adam for hype and are now dropping him because he went a little further than they’d anticipated.

I think we’re way beyond the point where Adam and his management need to take control of things and put the focus back on the music. Granted the AMA performance was a bad vocal on a mediocre song (IMO) so the music isn’t going to sell that one but Adam needs to go wherever and deliver some great vocal performances of better songs and start building from there.

Eh. They might just be moving it to inside the studio. If they do cancel it I’m not going to cry for Adam. He’ll just issue an outraged press release and ride the publicity for all its worth. Heh.

Still, maybe he really did piss them off that bad. Who knows?

This is NOT discrimination, folks.
Adam went to far, and this is what happens.
The networks don’t want to get fined by the FCC.
They wouldn’t go NEAR Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake for a while after “nipple-gate”.
The reason this doesn’t affect Letterman is because the FCC’s standards are different for Late Night, as opposed to day time and prime time.

For those bringing up the Madonna/Britney incident, you cant even compare it.
For one, it was on Cable….MTV, not ABC again, different standards set by the FCC.
Furthermore, who ever said they got a free pass?
Madonna has been catching hell for her trashy antics for nearly 30 years.

I called the Hudson also and they said it was cancelled there but moved to another location, that is what the lady who answered thinks but if MJ is saying it, it is probably so

My source confirmed with Roger. It’s cancelled

See though, I think ABC and the AMAs most definitely knew what they were getting into with Adam. Ok, maybe not ALL of it, but geez they were hyping him ALL night on Sunday, as giving an ‘eye popping’ , shocking performance that would be talked about the next day. Hell, part of the reason they booked him and gave him the final spot was to make him the water cooler moment of the show, knowing he wouldn’t just be singing a song and playing it safe.

Well if he’s pissed off ABC enough for them to sacrifice ratings to CBS for the morning then I think it’s safe to say he DID break their trust. It’s not discrimination, folks. It’s business. And Adam pissed off ABC by going off script. He made a bad business decision by burning a business partner. Simple as that.

And maybe his performance was eye popping enough without adding fellatio.

The party isn’t over – set your DVR to The Early Show. BTW this probably means Adam won’t be in Times Square on New Years Eve too as this is also a Dick Clark Production and ABC right? Oh well, who cares. Last year Taylor Swift sounded even more awful she usually does live, I don’t think the cold air does much for any artist’s vocal cords.

It must be about the BJ and it must be true that the network didn’t know? That was the only thing in his performance that was really out of line. Who cares about a kiss? It wasn’t edited out here on the west coast. Well, I know this sounds kind of out there, but I think that all the crap Adam got from the some people in the gay community prodded him to go too far to make a statement. I think it messed with his head. I really do, but in the end he did it so I’m not saying he isn’t at fault but with all of his sudden fame and adjusting to the limelight and some very vocal members of the gay community constantly nipping at his heels, well it’s just too much for one person IMHO

I am sick! ABC is bowing to a vocal minroity who thought the performance was inappropriate. Of course, people who thought otherwise woldn’t write to ABC or the FCC and say, “I thought Adam’s performance was appropriate for the sow and no worse than 10 other performers for sexual content.”
I know Adam says he has tough skin, but this has to hurt. Because the truth is, if he were a female, this would not be happening.
I won’t post the link, because I think MJ wouldn’t like it, but there is a way to send a comment on the GMA page. There are tons, right now. I’d say it’s running 10 to1 in favor of Adam.

Well, here’s the thing. On one hand I do think GMA is overreacting and probably playing right into Adam’s hands because he seems to love controversy right now more than he’d love a #1 album. Sads.

But the reality is he took his first live post-AI performance and used it to go beyond what the AMAs and Dick Clark knew he was doing. And then bragged about it. And screamed about discrimination, even though he was in the wrong for not clearing those acts ahead of time. So it really shouldn’t be a shock that a morning show like GMA, a show that is also live, might be wary of letting him use their show to try to stir up more publicity for himself by again going outside the planned routine.

As far as fans who traveled to see the show, that sucks but that is also what trip insurance is for. Besides, they traveled to NYC not Fargo, ND. It’s NYC during Thanksgiving week. I’m sure they’ll find something fun to do, if they want to.

I can’t remember hearing Adam claim that he would rather have the controversy rather than a number 1 album-I think that’s a stretch.

I haven’t heard Adam bragging about his performance at all. When asked……he’s answered.

Adam has not “screamed” about discrimination. He has stated his viewpoints, just as we have stated ours.

this kind of reminds me of the rock ‘n roll records being burnt in the south by religious nuts

Really? Cause last I saw Adam’s record is on sale in every major retailer in the land, right? I don’t think he’s exactly amid the bonfires of martyrdom yet.

I think, if true, it’s what Niall said. Television bigwigs–all major media–heck human beings–want to run their own show. Screw the producers by massively departing from dress rehearsal/script on live television, and they’ll say screw you back.

I know, I know, it’s all Because He’s Gay.

Saturday Night Live in its hey day was famous for doing the same thing. Here’s a list of people Banned for Doing Something Crazy on live TV

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/good_morning_america_cancels_adam_lambert_concert_144103.asp

An ABC News spokesperson tells TVNewser, “given his controversial live performance on the AMAs we were concerned about airing a similar concert so early in the morning.”

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/good_morning_america_cancels_adam_lambert_concert_144103.asp

Now we know for sure everything.

It’s the Early show not the Today show…I think

Apparently people who had gotten advance tickets were e-mailed about the cancellation. The thing is, I don’t think you “needed” a ticket to get in. You may have gotten a preferred place in line, but the announcement was to come get in line and be at the theater by 6 am. If people have already left to fly in — problematic decision for an event you’re not guaranteed to get into, but it’s not the first time — they’re going to have a lot of angry people on their doorstep at 6 am tomorrow.

Having said that, and prefacing all this with a statement that I was and still am a fan of Adam’s, I can’t see this as a positive for Adam. I don’t think it establishes him as separate from Idol, and I don’t think it gives him “cred” as a spectacular, controversial performer. I think that all it does it deprive him of an opportunity to plug his album during a very very competitive week. He’s up against big competition — Susan Boyle, Rihanna, just released deluxe edition of Lady Gaga, last week’s John Mayer — that we may not all want to buy, but lots of others will. He needs every promotional opportunity.

I am skeptical that ABC didn’t know about what Adam was going do, save possibly the kiss. But ABC can’t say that a same sex kiss was that offensive when they run day time soaps with gay story lines. It was the simulated BJ that they’re getting flack for, and I do think that was planned. It would have thrown off the choreography for him to just throw that in there. And I can’t believe there weren’t ABC people sitting in the rehearsals.

All that said, Adam shouldn’t have done the simulated BJ, and his management shouldn’t have let him. Not because it was wrong, but because it was likely to have consequences beyond generating buzz. I wasn’t offended by it, by I can see why some people were. It wasn’t necessary. The performance was plenty sexual without it. Yeah, Enimen and 50 Cent were swearing and got bleeped every five seconds, but they are established artists (using that word very loosely).

I’m upset with ABC, and I am very upset for Adam. I ws looking forward to the appearance. But this is what management is for — to protect Adam from consequences like this — and they should have known better.

This is ridiculous. GMA will get a ton of flack for this and rightfully so. Unless they are getting an extra super special exclusive interview with Obama or something to take Adam’s slot on the show, then my firm belief is that THIS is discrimination

Of course it is. Adam didn’t want to be the poster child for gay rights but he’s about to become one. No one is saying anything about Janey Jackson tugging on her dancer’s crotch during her performance, etc.

I actually find it more interesting that CBS is picking Adam up tomorrow. Will there be enough time to get a crowd together?

http://site.abc.go.com/site/contactus.html?lid=ABCCOMGlobalFooter&lpos=CONTACT

http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346&cat=Good%20Morning%20America

If any one feels the need to voice there opinion on this to ABC here ya go!

if Adam doesn’t want to play by those rules he cant complain about the consequences.

The whole idea behind rock is that artists don’t — and shouldn’t — play by anyone’s rules.

Interesting. It may turn out not to be a very big deal, but it could also be that portions of the AMAs performance have led to an FCC inquiry, and with AL having said that he acted without thinking, etc., maybe ABC was wary of having him perform live again so soon after the AMAs.

The whole idea behind rock is that artists don’t ‘” and shouldn’t ‘” play by anyone’s rules.

His music is pop, really. I don’t think rock artists hold the exclusive on “bad behavior” by a long shot.

And CBS is the Early Show. NBC is the Today Show.

And without the bj and the kiss, there wasn’t really anything shocking about that performance. (and even that wasn’t shocking to me.) Adam falling shocked me!

^^THIS! LOL – I thought the same thing, I felt worse about the fall than anything else. Everything else did not surprise me (or freak me out). IDK, maybe too many years of watching HBO and Showtime.

And I can imagine Adam doing a complete 180 with this performance – singing a stripped down song. I think that would have been more of the plan on GMA too. He is always mixing it up like that.

I actually find it more interesting that CBS is picking Adam up tomorrow. Will there be enough time to get a crowd together?

Oh, yes! I was gonna be there anyways for GMA. I’ll be there!

“Interesting. It may turn out not to be a very big deal, but it could also be that portions of the AMAs performance have led to an FCC inquiry, and with AL having said that he acted without thinking, etc., maybe ABC was wary of having him perform live again so soon after the AMAs.”

this is what i think…

oh btw the early show has half the viewers gma does..

The whole idea behind rock is that artists don’t ‘” and shouldn’t ‘” play by anyone’s rules.

LOL, then they shouldn’t complain when they don’t get opportunities to perform on national tv shows. Besides, Adam isn’t rock. He’s performing dated pop music. People would give him a pass if he’d actually accomplished something, but so far, he’s getting by on hype.

Going on CBS is a good save for Adam, but the Early Show has a little more than 1/2 of the ABC GMA audience and it tends to be older. So it’s a loss there. I guess GMA is trying to avoid controversy, but it’s not like they’ve never had controversial guests on before.

I’m sorry, GMA-officer. I was listening to Kris Allen’s new single “Live Like We’re Dying” and decided to go all out in my performance on the AMAs. I creatively tweaked the part about *telling* people that I love them (I’m an artist!) and decided to *show* them instead. Uh, roughly. I don’t know how that guy fell into my crotchal region. Obviously, he was living like he was dying too.

It’s all Kris’s fault!

oh btw the early show has half the viewers gma does..

And how would you know this??? I for one don’t watch GMA (was only going to watch for Adam).

Couldn’t they have just stuck him on a tape delay or something? He deserved that for doing the things he did that were not in rehearsal – why would you trust him to not do something inappropriate? – but canceling the whole thing is odd. And I’m sure he’s savvy enough to do something stripped down, though they don’t know that.

An ABC News spokesperson tells TVNewser, ‘given his controversial live performance on the AMAs we were concerned about airing a similar concert so early in the morning.’ 

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/good_morning_america_cancels_adam_lambert_concert_144103.asp

oh btw the early show has half the viewers gma does..

And they are older, but that could be Adam’s demo. LOL, just kidding.

Thank you Kanadie! I just wrote them a little letter.. I went over the 500 characters so I had to retract a few words lol. It was well versed and passionate =)

(Of course tape delay wouldn’t do much to keep him under control for the live performance – but at least for TV)

You can thank CBS here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml?tag=ftr

Good for CBS- They’re not skeered.

ABC loss is CBS gain. ABC thinks 1500 complaints is bad? They have no idea what’s about to hit them. As well, anyone who has been paying attention to Adam from the beginning knows that he would not be serving bump and grind to America over morning coffee. Unfortunately, I don’t think ABC trusts Adam anymore. Oh well. Adam will be fine. He and his band will put on a great show for the Early Show and maybe they will interview him as well.

I can’t blame ABC. They trusted him and he broke their trust. It was Adam’s major performance after idol, they gave that to him and in return he gave them the finger. How can they be sure this newbie won’t pull another one again?

I hope they didn’t cancel it based on his performance. Then I have to be annoyed by days and days of calls of HOMOPHOBIA!!! and OUTRAGE!!!! LOL. Dude shouldn’t have sprung surprise BJs on ABC in the first place.

And yet, no one is talking about his actual music. Which is what this is all supposed to be about.

I am so over Adam right now. He is working my last nerve. Ugh.

ETA: Damn, I just saw frogcooke’s post. Oh well. Let the games begin. I still wish dude would just shut up and sing.

And without the bj and the kiss, there wasn’t really anything shocking about that performance. (and even that wasn’t shocking to me.) Adam falling shocked me!

LOL! Agreed! The falling is the part I was shocked by. The other stuff… well, c’mon, our boy is wild!

From Perez a few minutes ago,
PerezHilton

@RyanSeacrest He will be appearing on The Early Show tomorrow now instead. 5 minutes ago from web in reply to RyanSeacrest

lol, too funny..offically abc stands for absolutely boring company.

Yay for CBS. this may get them a ratings coup. Will Adam and band be performing though?

CBS scores!!! I always like CBS better than ABC anyway. ;D

oh btw the early show has half the viewers gma does..

not tomorrow they won’t be. with the headlines this will generate, i suspect many new viewers will tune in. it’s a huge win for the early show.

This is hypocrisy at its worst – they used him to generate viewers for that stupid awards show and now they don’t want to reap what they sowed!

With Adam Lambert it is always about the drama…and not the music.

This just makes me sad for this country. The punishment did not fit the crime. their excuse is invalid cos there’s a difference b/w a morning performance and an 11pm performance.

Simple’“ABC is trying to keep the FCC at bay. Rihanna wearing a skimpy dress is one thing and no one gets fined for that. Adam simulating oral sex and supposedly getting caught up in the moment to where he rough-kissed a band member is another story’“one that could cost ABC a lot of money.

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions. I myself have not read anything that says the FCC are looking into any part of the AMA’s let alone Adam’s performance.

And how would you know this??? I for one don’t watch GMA (was only going to watch for Adam).

Check the Nielsen Ratings. CBS has always lagged far behind the other morning shows.

Going on CBS is a good save for Adam, but the Early Show has a little more than 1/2 of the ABC GMA audience and it tends to be older.

Really? Most people I would think would be at work during both of thsoe shows…. LOL At least I am, which is why I don’t watch either. I would think they both had an older audience. It doesn’t matter though, the publicity over this will cause a viral swirl on the Internet to see what and how Adam performs on CBS. If he’s “tame” Adam, then ABC will look stupid. Either way, they shouldn’t have canceled. My opinion of course.

I am so over Adam right now. He is working my last nerve. Ugh.

THen you better get some new nerves cause the party is just getting started…… lol

Everything else did not surprise me (or freak me out). IDK, maybe too many years of watching HBO and Showtime.

I think that’s partly what this is about. This wasn’t HBO or Showtime, or even MTV or VH1. It was on ABC national broadcast network.

I’m wondering if there may have been some violation of ABC standards in place for the AMAs. Adam apparently did not include some of the most questionable ‘elements’ in the rehearsal version, which I could imagine the network watching with some care given what it was already advertised to be like. If he then went beyond that in the performance (not to mention flipping the finger to the audience for whatever reason that took place) — whether spontaneously or not, it may have crossed a line with network types beyond any concerns with viewer reactions or FCC.

The whole thing just seems unnecessary to me. I gather he wanted to be sensational, but it detracts from anyone appreciating his actual and considerable abilities as a singer / performer. I’ve been a fan of Adam’s from early in the AI8 season, but this was more than disappointing to me. I also wasn’t thrilled with the excuse-making yesterday about being ‘overcome by the moment’ as a way to write off the OTT lewdness, and ‘having sound problems’ as a way of writing off his performance/vocal issues. He should have either stuck to his guns, or said he made some mistakes and moved on.

Of course tape delay wouldn’t do much to keep him under control for the live performance ‘“ but at least for TV

Well I don’t think that Adam was going to do anything stupid on the morning show, though I can see why they would think that given his track record.

If ABC wanted to cancel, I think they should have just done so yesterday as it wouldn’t have sucked so much for the fans. I know they don’t care, especially if they’re worried about fines (which I sincerely doubt they are going to get, btw) but still.

The whole idea behind rock is that artists don’t ‘” and shouldn’t ‘” play by anyone’s rules.

yes, REAL rock musicians don’t like playing by the rules. you never saw the sex pistols trying to get on a morning program. people, like adam, who want to perform on live tv HAVE to play by the rules. you can’t have a guy (adam) who can’t “control” himself cause he is soooo into the music on live tv. they have learned their lesson.

i know that what adam did on ama was just for shock but maybe gma doesn’t want to chance it. it’s his own fault.

This controversy is good for Adma, as it cements his credibility as an in your face, bad a** rock star

Hilarious tweet:

@chriscleland: TLC is searching for a new show to replace Jon and Kate. My vote: Adam Lambert and Keyboard Player plus 8 Glenn Beck Fans half a minute ago from PockeTwit

If they cancelled Adam because of his AMA moves, they’re dead wrong – within their rights, of course, but WRONG.

Adam’s moves on AMA fit his song. He kissed, groped (hotly), and simulated sex moves while performing a song that celebrated being both hot and in control, as well the pleasure of taking a ride with someone who is (metaphor for his career path).

Many pop/rock performers and their dancers simulate all kinds of sex all the time and, in fact, many others DID during the AMAs.

Adam’s different only because he is a man who kissed and simulated oral sex with other men (only conclusion: THAT kiss and kind of simulation is “worse” and more morally offensive than other kinds).

GMA has worked with Adam before. They know full well his professionalism and personality. It’s disingenous BS if they claim “oh, gee, gosh, we just don’t know WHAT (gay thing) he’ll do!”

Adam was not going to “go all AMA” on GMA, just as he never did on “Idol,” on GMA after Idol, or on the tour. What he did on the AMAs FIT the AMAs, it didn’t fit “straight, you can be gay but please don’t let me see any evidence of that, America.”

Adam is being treated differently because he’s openly, happily, beautifully gay. (All IMHO, of course.)

The whole idea behind rock is that artists don’t ‘” and shouldn’t ‘” play by anyone’s rules.

And here I always thought it was about, you know, making music. And sometimes, it’s better to play by some of the rules in order to reach a position where you’re better able to bend or break them. I just don’t think that the runner-up on a reality competition who has just released his first album is in a place to go balls-to-the-wall without there being repercussions.

Yeah, it’s probably an overreaction on the part of ABC, and Adam probably would have behaved himself. But there’s clearly been fallout from the AMAs, and this feels like a slap on the wrist, so to speak, a way of telling him that, no, you can’t always get what you want.

now this is a very interesting piece of news!! wow adam storm is sooo much fun!! so rock ‘n roll!! it’s 1am already here and I am sleepy but this totally winded me!

there were 14.2 million viewers of the AMAs, with 1500 complaints. Drop in the bucket! Adam’s fans and supporters better clog the email and phone lines of GMA and ABC to complain about this cancellation. Forget the discussion of should he/shouldn’t he have done “it”…….we need to show that he has MORE support out there than the 1500 complaints ABC got from Sunday’s performance!!

What a load of crap. Let’s see, ABC spent all of Sunday night promoting Adam’s performance inferring that it wasn’t just his great vocals that would make the performance noteworthy. When the performance aired it was on a delay, delay enough to bleep Eminem and delay enough to black the screen if Adam did anything problematic. But ABC didn’t black out anything in its initial broadcast. Of course not. You can’t promote something and then black it out. So, they broadcast it initially and then edit it thereafter. The very act of editing it makes people talk and interested. And interested they were. Viewership was up. 14 million. Now 1500 people complained? That’s not even 1%. That’s a little over .01%. What an onslaught. ABC is speaking out of both sides of their mouth. Shame on them.

According to ABC, 1,500 complaints were received for Adam’s AMA performance. How many complaints you suppose they will get for cancelling his GMA performance.

I can’t blame ABC. They trusted him and he broke their trust. It was Adam’s major performance after idol, they gave that to him and in return he gave them the finger. How can they be sure this newbie won’t pull another one again?

To them Adam is damaged goods especially when you consider the FCC complaints after Sunday’s performance. I don’t think they wanted to take the risk again with a morning show and lose viewership. It goes back to what Niall said which imo is $$$$. It doesn’t mean other networks won’t book him necessarily but he may be done with ABC for good.

I can’t blame ABC. They trusted him and he broke their trust . It was Adam’s major performance after idol, they gave that to him and in return he gave them the finger. How can they be sure this newbie won’t pull another one again?

Oh, poor ABC, boo-hoo hoo. No chance in hell they didn’t know what they were getting with Adam. Again, maybe not ALL of it, but they are such hypocrites to want him, pimp him as “eyepopping” and “outrageous”, hype him for the extra ratings, and then get all scared and back away because he actually DID those things. And if he HADN’T done those things, the AMAs would be yesterday’s news, instead of still making headlines.

Kudos to CBS You Rock!

lyndseyparker PS: Kudos to CBS’ The Early Show for stepping up and doing a last-minute Lambert booking. #ShameOnYouABC
9 minutes ago from Echofon
Reply Retweet lyndseyparker This @AdamLambert/GMA cancellation is total BS but it will only make fans & artists rally around him more as a cause clà ¨bre. #ShameOnYouABC
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Reply Retweet RyanSeacrest yes hearing about @adamlambert’s @GMA performance being axed…trying to get hold of @abc publicity to confirm
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for the person who wanted to know ratings:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/morning_show_ratings/

The averages from last week:

Total Viewers: NBC: 5.89M / ABC: 4.45M / CBS: 2.80M

Thank you Kanadie! I just sent ABC a letter in support of their decision. In any job/business one needs to know there are rules and expectations. If you break those rules, there are consequences. ABC is well within their rights to change programming if they want to.

Lyndsey Parker rocks:

@BMajor09 I see what you mean but I’m pretty sure the stunts Adam pulled at 11pm he wouldn’t do on morning TV. GMA is being too skittish. 8 minutes ago from Echofon in reply to BMajor09

PS: Kudos to CBS’ The Early Show for stepping up and doing a last-minute Lambert booking. #ShameOnYouABC 22 minutes ago from Echofon

This @AdamLambert/GMA cancellation is total BS but it will only make fans & artists rally around him more as a cause clà ¨bre. #ShameOnYouABC 24 minutes ago from Echofon

Everything Adam is involved in is a big train wreck. It is never about the music.

Well, if Adam’s fans want to go all fan crazy on this, go for it. I’m sure they’re expecting it. Idol breeds this kind of fierce fan loyalty – my Idol through thick or thin! If you believe what Adam said, then the forced bj and kiss were impromptu additions. And anyone, gay, straight or bi who simulated forced fellatio on network TV, is going to get reprimanded (or worse). Adam’s fans might be so caught up in swoon that they aren’t acknowledging the way the rest of the world operates, but this is not discrimination. If you want to live on the edge and break rules, you better be prepared to pay the consequences. Even the great, Adam Lambert must play by those rules.

Maybe Adam’s middle finger salute was prescient.

oh and kudos to Adam’s PR team that snatches another performance for him in such a short time.

@AimeeMayo

GMA sucks and they just lost millions of viewers. idiots!
3 minutes ago from web

Bad move GMA, especially when it looks like CBS snatched him right up. What message does that send?

Lots of attention right now for Adam, but he has the music to back it up, thankfully. The album is stunning and has been getting great reviews. And, it seems he now has the “right” single being worked on radio. Things are moving.

I don’t know what the viewership is for The Early Show. But, tomorrow I will be watching, and we are regular GMA viewers in our house. I may have to take a break from GMA for a while.

On another note, the timing for his taping with Barbara is terrible. I am sure she spent the entire time talking about what happened at the AMAs (and, in all seriousness, was it really THAT big of a dea?) and the whole male/female performer issues. There is SO much more that’s interesting about Adam. The interview will be a waste.

I was a die-hard fan of Adam until he let me down on the AMA show. Like a kid, he needs to be grounded. Now he learns the consequences.

Controversy does not equal sales. That’s kinda apparent in his sales, especially for the single which has not moved up since his performance. People will remember the drama but will not remember the music.

What are all the fans that going to do that were attending GMA- Are they going to show up at the Early Show studios? I know a lot of people had flights and hotels booked. Just curious.

GMA sucks and they just lost millions of viewers. idiots!
3 minutes ago from web

lol…one monkey don’t stop no show.

The Early Show has long lagged behind the other two morning shows in the ratings department. They are not booking Adam out of principle, I am sure. It’s all about the ratings, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m sure they’ll get a bump tomorrow. Long term, however, back to the basement.

See though, I think ABC and the AMAs most definitely knew what they were getting into with Adam. Ok, maybe not ALL of it, but geez they were hyping him ALL night on Sunday, as giving an ‘eye popping’ , shocking performance that would be talked about the next day. Hell, part of the reason they booked him and gave him the final spot was to make him the water cooler moment of the show, knowing he wouldn’t just be singing a song and playing it safe.

Well if he’s pissed off ABC enough for them to sacrifice ratings to CBS for the morning then I think it’s safe to say he DID break their trust. It’s not discrimination, folks. It’s business. And Adam pissed off ABC by going off script. He made a bad business decision by burning a business partner. Simple as that.

Adam was out of line with the bj thing, but I had no problem with the kiss. Adam has been on their show before so canceling him now was pretty stupid imo. Whatever, he still has a booking and a lot more to talk about in his interviews, I bet Letterman calls him back to be actually interviewed at some point.

Adam is NOT a rock star.

He is a singer like Britney Spears.

@AimeeMayo

GMA sucks and they just lost millions of viewers. idiots!
3 minutes ago from web

LOL Yes, I’m sure.

Bad move GMA, especially when it looks like CBS snatched him right up. What message does that send?

Lots of attention right now for Adam, but he has the music to back it up, thankfully. The album is stunning and has been getting great reviews. And, it seems he now has the ‘right’  single being worked on radio. Things are moving.

Chicagolaw- ITA- I know there is a lot of non music related drama but the album IS great.

Seriously, who watches the morning shows anyway? I would rather gag myself with a spoon UNLESS of course Adam or someone equally interesting is on. There will be tons of people flocking out in the cold morning air tomorrow to see Adam and many, many more watching from home. Win-Win for CBS!

I think GMA lost on this one. They will look intolerant and spooked by their own proclaimed 1500 complaints out of 14 million viewers.

GMA: 0
Early Show: 1

Now Adam needs to go give a beautiful performance of WWFM and be charming like he was on the radio this morning. Said as a person who was not at all scandalized by, but did not really adore, the AMA performance.

Wonder if they’re taping his part like they did this summer?

This is ridiculous. GMA will get a ton of flack for this and rightfully so. Unless they are getting an extra super special exclusive interview with Obama or something to take Adam’s slot on the show, then my firm belief is that THIS is discrimination.

Nope, I hear they’ve booked Britney and Madonna to do a live make out session. Lord knows neither of them can sing. But it’s politically correct, so it should bring in the ratings.

GMA sucks and they just lost millions of viewers. idiots!
3 minutes ago from web

lol…one monkey don’t stop no show.

CBS just said that they will meet fans with cancelled AMA tickets at the Hudson and escort them to where he will be playing – yay – still got us some Adam!!!!! Good for CBS -

“”Now Adam needs to go give a beautiful performance of WWFM and be charming like he was on the radio this morning. Said as a person who was not at all scandalized by, but did not really adore, the AMA performance.”"

and very nicely said, I second this

1capplegate I just came from a country where it’s legal to walk around naked and nobody cares,yet here a guy can’t express himself clothed.Geez

And Adam is a Rockstar who sings pop/rock/and whatever else he wants to sing

@AimeeMayo

GMA sucks and they just lost millions of viewers. idiots!
3 minutes ago from web

i suppose this is the same millions that bought his singles and cds… oh wait……

and btw local small-town ABC affliates can also get fined by the FCC, who dont always have the funds to pay for it. So if they got complaints to the FCC, they dont want to risk another performance in the morning especially.

Total Viewers: NBC: 5.89M / ABC: 4.45M / CBS: 2.80M

Well those numbers are going to look quite different tomorrow with everyone tuning in to CBS to see Adam.
Heck, I’m willing to go to work late so I don’t have to miss a minute of it.

tinydance… Adam is a rockstar who can do Led Zeppelin, Queen, Kiss as well as Britney. That is freakin rare!

Adam admitted he got carried away by the music and the performance when he kissed Tommy. Who is to say he wouldn’t do it again since he cannot control the impulses?

Adam lambert, shameonyouABC and GMA are all trending. it’s funny but also sad. so not necessary. How come CBS is willing to take the risk/heat. how come they are not concerned.?. they are the best. even their shows are better.

Adam Lambert has become the Paris Hilton of Music.

I agree, aa618892. I knew people that were traveling hundreds of miles for the GMA performance. It was horrendously inconsiderate of ABC to do this to the fans.

Uh, AC, Outer, etc. Did you WATCH the rest of the AMA’s? Is it alright for Janet Jackson to do one thing and Adam has to be castrated? HELL NO! The only crime Adam committed was the singing wasn’t up to par.

Overall, I don’t think this is a bad thing. Who watches GMA anyway? I don’t think the bulk of those who watch GMA are Adam’s target audience. Now the headlines will be that Adam was cancelled because he is too controversial. This will cause people to look him up and check out his album. I would rather have Adam on late night shows where he can reach the right demographic. That’s just my take on it.

Were they already scheduled to play The Early Show? These big national morning shows are usually booked weeks in advance. How would Adam be able to get a last-minute gig?

Color me confused.

ABC has shot itself in the foot here, because Adam isn’t ever going to want to appear on GMA after this. If he becomes a big star, ABC/GMA/Disney are gonna be kicking themselves for this stupidity.

I do wonder whether a lot of advertisers warned they’d pull their commercials if Adam performed? Because 1500 fan complaints after his AMA performance doesn’t seem enough to force a cancellation.

Per TMZ, they cancelled due to AMA performance:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/24/adam-lambert-good-morning-america-american-music-awards-cancelled/

The whole thing just seems unnecessary to me. I gather he wanted to be sensational, but it detracts from anyone appreciating his actual and considerable abilities as a singer / performer.

This. I think has a great voice and an interesting sensibility, but its like he has not intention of building on that. He wants to be a tabloid star. He wants attention for all the wrong things. This is not an “artistic package” so far, this is sensationalism. His music isn’t even outrageous or revolutionary, really. Its fun pop dance stuff. A little glam. I have not seen him do anything yet designed to get him attention based on the voice, which to me is his biggest asset. I’m just disappointed in this circus so far. It feels cheap.

maybe he’ll learn that stuff like that isn’t good for his career. after that performance he has to realize that he lost a lot of fans (i’m sure he cares a lot) and that he is not going to gain any new fans soon. he maybe gained 2 fans.

“This is not good for my rage.” Ross Geller in “The One with Ross’s Sandwich”

Support for Adam from Access Hollywood:

AHDirector More Adam Lambert on tonite’s Access. Don’t get what it is he did to offend when it’s his art! lol #ahcom half a minute ago from Power Twitter

This is only gonna get bigger–ABC just expanded Adam’s career

b.s. Adam will NOT be the Paris Hilton of Music. He is mega talented!

Everything Adam is involved in is a big train wreck. It is never about the music.

Way to completely negate a guy’s run on idol, plus the tour, and other concert appearances, which are widely considered by viewers and critics alike to be some of the best of any contestant ever. He killed it on tour (as almost every fan, non-fan, and reviewer agreed), blew the judges and audience away all season long with those performances, and decides to go wild for one night, freaks America out, and that equals a trainwreck for all time? Yeah, sound logic there.

Well if he’s pissed off ABC enough for them to sacrifice ratings to CBS for the morning then I think it’s safe to say he DID break their trust. It’s not discrimination, folks. It’s business. And Adam pissed off ABC by going off script. He made a bad business decision by burning a business partner. Simple as that.

Nope. ABC is hypocritical (big surprise, everyone is). It looks like they wanted it both ways – get the shock, take the risk, get the ratings and hype, but not own up to it for actually working out that way.

Tinydance .. your comments are hysterically laughably trollish. lmao

While reading the thread I had only two tiny problems. And I don’t know how to deal with them.

I agree, aa618892. I knew people that were traveling hundreds of miles for the GMA performance. It was horrendously inconsiderate of ABC to do this to the fans.

Uh, AC, Outer, etc. Did you WATCH the rest of the AMA’s? Is it alright for Janet Jackson to do one thing and Adam has to be castrated? HELL NO! The only crime Adam committed was the singing wasn’t up to par.

They did it because Adam improvised, he didn’t stick to the planned performance which no doubt had been approved by TPTB. There are reasons these shows are rehearsed and it’s to cover their butts in case of complaints. Adam threw a wrench into it and he pays the price.

ABC no doubt didn’t cancel yesterday because there are probably legal issues involved and they would have had to have had their i’s dotted and t’s crossed.

The sad thing is all this could have been prevented if Adam could have just ‘restrained’ himself and stuck to the script instead…….now it’s going to be about the controversy and not the music. WTG Adam. So much for it being about the music.

Everything Adam is involved in is a big train wreck. It is never about the music

Yeah, cuz the tour was such a letdown…

So where will Adam perform on The Early Show? In their studio?

I believe that people who perhaps did not like his AMA performance will now rally around him because of this.

tinawina, I totally agree:

I have not seen him do anything yet designed to get him attention based on the voice, which to me is his biggest asset. I’m just disappointed in this circus so far. It feels cheap.

I am completely turned off by all of it.

Nope. ABC is hypocritical (big surprise, everyone is). It looks like they wanted it both ways ‘“ get the shock, take the risk, get the ratings and hype, but not own up to it for actually working out that way.

Maybe they felt the routine was shocking and eye popping enough without the blow job? Just a thought…

And where are these supposed ratings Adam delivered? His segment was rated far lower than the segment prior to him. Clearly all the hype didn’t translate.

Business is business. As much as I’m sure Adam, Perez, and the rest will try to spin it as some great blow against the rights of gays or against the rights of artists to simulate oral sex on network tv, this is about Adam pissing off a business partner.

Well it might be a little about the music- Adam’s albums holding steady in the Top Ten and looks like he cracked top five. His singles from the album are all over the POP song chart and are moving up.
http://www.apple.com/itunes/

Adam lambert, shameonyouABC and GMA are all trending. it’s funny but also sad. so not necessary. How come CBS is willing to take the risk/heat. how come they are not concerned.?. they are the best. even their shows are better.

They probably got a guarantee from his management that he won’t do anything “lewd” on their show.

maybe he’ll learn that stuff like that isn’t good for his career.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

You know, even though I’m not a fan, I supported Adam’s response to OUT magazine last week–I thought it was smart and appropriate. But if he continues this whole discrimination thing, he is WAY off base not to mention being hypocritical.

ESTABLISHED acts, male or female, could not have gotten away with what he did on network television. He has no resume of hit albums or singles to fall back on with the public or the industry. I’m baffled by the performance and his subsequent responses on all this.

All the fans going on about how this is so great for his career, maybe. I may be wrong. But, again, if he had an actual career to stand on yet, it would be one thing. Britney, Madonna, Prince and the like could get away with certain performances and escape career danger because they had an actual resume of success. His behavior smacks of arrogance and extreme naiveite.

I don’t get why you guys insisting it’s like the Janet Jackson thing. After that incident, she could barely sell records but she got tons of press. Don’t get mad just because what I’m saying is true- if you ask a regular person about Adam, they remember the controversy, and not that he can sing or that his music out.

How come CBS is willing to take the risk/heat. how come they are not concerned.?. they are the best. even their shows are better.

Ratings? There’s nothing more to it than that, I’m sure.

Well if he’s pissed off ABC enough for them to sacrifice ratings to CBS for the morning then I think it’s safe to say he DID break their trust. It’s not discrimination, folks. It’s business. And Adam pissed off ABC by going off script. He made a bad business decision by burning a business partner. Simple as that.

This!!! Adam has burned a bridge extremely early in his career at this point. I think there would have been less of an issue had ABC known about all of it (kiss, BJ, whatever else) before it happened. They had no problem censoring others for inappropriate words or actions because they knew it was going to happen beforehand. Had Adam and his team notified them in advance they would have censored him as needed and this whole thing would have never started. But because Adam did something in the moment ABC did not know about it and could not censor it. Thus the controversy now and ABC is poulling back from Adam. While Adam may go on to be a star he is not one yet. ABC at this point can’t take that risk that he will go off the rails again on a sho being aired on that network. For CBS it’s not the same risk because he hasn’t caused any drama on their network.

Simple’“ABC is trying to keep the FCC at bay. Rihanna wearing a skimpy dress is one thing and no one gets fined for that. Adam simulating oral sex and supposedly getting caught up in the moment to where he rough-kissed a band member is another story’“one that could cost ABC a lot of money.

Here comes the *kiss* again. … A *kiss* is not obscene.

There is no way in hell that you get an FCC fine on account of a kiss. … The rules cannot be twisted to make a fully clothed kiss “obscene.”

However, I can tell that in the minds of many viewers, the fact that it is a male-on-male kiss *makes* it obscene….. And, guess what, that *is* precisely the discrimination that Adam and, yeah, Aaron Hicklin the OUt editor, are talking about …. and which so many folks keep saying doesn’t exist. …

and, yeah, I know people will tell me that it’s obscene because it’s a *rough* kiss. …Because there have *been* no *rough* kisses on network television involving women; all the girl/girl or man/woman kisses have been gentle and loving and this not oscenity ….. Pulllllleeeeeeze….

ABC has shot itself in the foot here, because Adam isn’t ever going to want to appear on GMA after this. If he becomes a big star, ABC/GMA/Disney are gonna be kicking themselves for this stupidity.

I do wonder whether a lot of advertisers warned they’d pull their commercials if Adam performed? Because 1500 fan complaints after his AMA performance doesn’t seem enough to force a cancellation.

I imagine ABC and Disney think they will get by just fine even if Adam never performs for their shows again. 1500 is a small number by the total viewership, but it’s probably a fairly large number for people to take the step of calling in. And that’s not counting complaints online, I think? Just phone calls if I read it correctly.

Really, even if one takes the sexual aspects out of this, whether you view his actions there as lewdness or brave artistic freedom (or both) — just the fact that he flipped off the audience and viewers with that angry-seeming gesture is probably enough to get some people re-thinking his behavior against what they want / who they want in their network programming.

inydance

Adam is NOT a rock star.
He is a singer like Britney Spears.

So far Adam hasn’t shaved his head or stepped out of a car with his junk hanging out, but if he does that’s it, I’m done!

P.S. Britney is a singer?

I believe that people who perhaps did not like his AMA performance will now rally around him because of this

Well, I was fine with the AMA performance (certainly not offended), and ABC cancelling him certainly makes ME more of an adament supporter of his.

@AimeeMayo

GMA sucks and they just lost millions of viewers. idiots!
3 minutes ago from web

LMAO, where were these millions of people when TFM and FYE came out?

Well those numbers are going to look quite different tomorrow with everyone tuning in to CBS to see Adam.
Heck, I’m willing to go to work late so I don’t have to miss a minute of it.

Sure they will.

Adam made this not about the music and put himself in this position. Maybe this will teach him to just shut up and sing next time.

maybe he’ll learn that stuff like that isn’t good for his career.

laf! That’s a joke right? This will be great for him. Massive advertising this week. I’m thinking he’ll start getting more radio play for both his singles on Top40 radio in protest of the censorship, plus that addition commentary by the DJs to go along with the additional spins. It’s so genius, it makes me wonder if it was planned all along.

ABC won’t be fined by the FCC. They have time restrictions set for questionable content and it ends at 10p.m.

Apparently the FCC believes that parents should parent and put their kids to bed before 11:00 p.m. on a school night. If kids wanted to see it, record it first and then decide if they can watch.

And yes, Adam is right smack dab on ABCs homepage. No hypocracy there…

I don’t think it was the kiss. Didn’t ABC leave the kiss in for the later time zones? They took out the BJ. I’m guessing that’s the problem, plus the whole “I did it in the moment” thing… they probably don’t trust him too much right now.

So Adam is too risque for ABC but not for CBS??? That makes no sense. Oh well, the Today Show is bigger than GMA anyways.

Perhaps because Disney/ABC is already under the gun from many anti-gay advocates, and companies that support them, and has been for years. CBS is not, to my knowledge, but this has been a huge issue for the pretty pro-gay Disney. There may well be things businesswise and threatwise going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about, in this regard.

And anyone, gay, straight or bi who simulated forced fellatio on network TV, is going to get reprimanded (or worse).

This. Really, I think there’s too much ado about the kiss, but the simulated fellatio was worse, in my opinion. This isn’t HBO or MTV it’s network.

Somehow I think ABC and Disney will limp along and survive SOMEHOW without Adam Lambert…

FYE (single) #49/#83
Fye (album) #6/#9
Whataya Want From Me-#152
Down the Rabbit Hole #154

ABC is hypocritical? Sorry, no. Every artist has to play by the same rules – even Adam Lambert. If Adam wants the freedom in throw into his performance whatever he wants, even if it breaks the rules, then he’s got to bear the consequences like anyone else would have to. Such is the price of freedom. Anyways, are his defenders really saying they love seeing forced fellatio on network TV? As long as its ‘art’? Yeah, more of that!!! (no.)

Since Adam took the soapbox to say he just gets carried away when he performs, then yes, any network has a right to be concerned about his live performances. You didn’t see Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson getting many gigs after their little stunt either.

Gossip girl showed a threesome this season where is the fcc on that?

well, there’s a repersussion, after all. i was hoping this will not happen, but it did. good thing The Early Show desperately needed some rating boost.

for those who keep bringing Britney, Madonna, and Xtina and the enfamous kiss, remember they were already superstars that have sold gazillions of albums and their songs played in every corner of the world. plus it was on MTV, a cable channel. Adam is just starting.

i do hope that it hasnt damaged his career permanently. a bit of hard work will do him good. and lose that “pushing the envelop” crap. i mean, what is next? simulated sex w/ an animal on the stage? your voice opened the door for you. USE IT!

And where are these supposed ratings Adam delivered? His segment was rated far lower than the segment prior to him. Clearly all the hype didn’t translate.

Business is business. As much as I’m sure Adam, Perez, and the rest will try to spin it as some great blow against the rights of gays or against the rights of artists to simulate oral sex on network tv, this is about Adam pissing off a business partner.

This and this!
How can they trust Adam in a morning show? He’s just a new guy who’s music isn’t even relevant at this point.

Yeah, the kiss? People actually think that was the scandalous part of the performance? You can find gay kisses on network tv. But you can not find simulated oral sex, homo or hetero on network tv. Please.

Have the execs at ABC lost their collective mind? Anyone who has seen Adam knows he is the most versatile performer. I’m sure he would have toned it down for a morning show. On the Meaning of Adam Lambert has a must-read, spot-on and piss-in-your-pants hilarious takedown of the hypocrites. An excerpt:

‘Just how are M&M* and his ilk supposed to maintain their lucrative position atop the ‘Dangerous Angry Young Man’  (DAYM) hierarchy, when this poseur comes along, subversively groomed, suited, booted and accessorized. ‘You’ve got to be f***in’ me ‘“ he’s gay! He wears eyeliner ‘“ like a h**! You can hear each word, his diction is so perfect and he only grabs his crotch once in a while, not for the entire performance and not a single bleep-worthy lyric! The old DAYMs are at a total loss for words. His pretty face is on the WANTED poster at the f***in’ post office!!’ 

For the full analysis, check out ‘Adam hits the Trifecta! ‘“ Bad, Bans and Boycotts: As Madonna Generation calls for Adam Boycott’ 
http://onthemeaningofadamlambert.wordpress.com/adam-hits-the-trifecta-%E2%80%93-bad-bans-and-boycotts/

* Yes, Xena knows how to spell his name correctly, but she’s having fun!

You didn’t see Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson getting many gigs after their little stunt either.

Well Justin was unscathed but Janet’s career has never recovered. Of course that is an inconvenient fact which flies in the face of Adam’s whiny “women get away with more!” excuse.

good.

Sassycatz
11/24/2009 at 12:09 pm
The Early Show has long lagged behind the other two morning shows in the ratings department. They are not booking Adam out of principle, I am sure. It’s all about the ratings, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m sure they’ll get a bump tomorrow. Long term, however, back to the basement.

Also, Adam just taped the David Letterman Show yesterday, which is a CBS show, so it makes sense that The Early Show picked him up. And CBS now knows, based on the Letterman taping, that Adam doesn’t kiss a guy or simulate a BJ in every performance.

The only network that has a beef with Adam right now is ABC, and there is a good possibility that won’t last long either. I think the main reason that ABC cancelled is that the AMAs are still in the news. Case in point: ABC News still had on their homepage this morning a link to an article entitled “Is Adam Lambert too shocking for TV?” So, I think it’s too soon for ABC to have him on GMA — they are probably afraid that would generate more complaints. But at the end of the day it is mainly about ratings. If Adam’s appearance was scheduled 1-2 months from now, the AMA incident might have been forgotten. GMA has been second in ratings to The Today Show for a long time, and if Adam could goose their ratings, they would have him on. But now the AMAs are just too fresh in everyone’s minds. We’ll see what happens in the coming months. It will be interesting to see whether he gets dropped from the Rockin’ New Years Eve Show, which will be brought to us by ABC and Dick Clark Productions, same folks who produced the AMAs.

However, I can tell that in the minds of many viewers, the fact that it is a male-on-male kiss *makes* it obscene’ ¦.. And, guess what, that *is* precisely the discrimination that Adam and, yeah, Aaron Hicklin the OUt editor, are talking about ‘ ¦. and which so many folks keep saying doesn’t exist. ‘ ¦

The kiss was not cut. So, no. The kiss is not the problem.

I am a parent and the Parents Television Council and ABC can bite me. I’ll be happy to tune into CBS tomorrow. Geez.

But Barbara Walters just tweeted that she finished up the interview with ADAM for her special-which is on ABC! Now that is hypocrisy!

Problem with the CBS gig is that there isn’t a lot of time for CBS to promote the appearance. People knew to tune into ABC for ages, and a lot of them probably still will, wondering why Adam is not appearing on their TV. It’s not like Diane Sawyer is going to say, oh, if you’re looking for Adam, switch to CBS. CBS’s morning ratings are WAY below those for GMA and Today. So they’d better do a lot of promo this afternoon and tonight.

I just think somebody finally told GMA about that cock ring glove he managed to get by them

This is ridiculous! Censorship because people wont take responsibility for their children.

You can see it on this blog site where youngsters are lying to their parents and watching and listening to everything going on in an adult world. Should we censor all blogs. What crap!

Disney…lets dress a 15yr old girl like a whore! Hypocritical!

ABC has lost their minds.

And the total bullshit about “in the morning” was a desperate attempt to protect their Brothers & Sisters and Grey’s Anatomy “Gays OK” seal of approval.

Not to mention Pride Night biz at Disneyland.

CBS must be popping champagne corks.

It’s going to be so incongruent when tomorrow night, Dave doesn’t bring up this craziness. And Adam sings WYWFM like a choir boy.

I am a parent and the Parents Television Council and ABC can bite me. I’ll be happy to tune into CBS tomorrow. Geez. Oh and my kids are welcome to watch.

it’s 1 am already from where I am, and i was sleepy and then this news completely winded me!! adam storm is so rock ‘n roll! yeah!

What makes simulating a BJ worse than simulating other kinds of sex? The fact that it was man-on-man and, technically, I do think that’s discrimination.

Adam is being treated differently because he’s openly, happily, beautifully gay. (All IMHO, of course.)

Yeah. And you’re HO is dead-on correct.

There’s no other possible explanation, but people don’t want to see it because they simply don’t *see* any more that what tons of the female pop stars are doing is *simulating* *sex.* ….Over and over again. In multiple ways.

Just because those are sex simulations that we’re more used to doesn’t mean they’re any less sex simulations.

I know Adam says he has tough skin, but this has to hurt. Because the truth is, if he were a female, this would not be happening.

I’m not so sure about that. If someone like Lady Gaga went off-script (and I know that hasn’t been verified in Adam’s case) and simulated oral sex during a performance, then it’s highly likely she’d have been shelved on a morning show too. It’s about predictability and behind-the-scenes agreements between the artist, their management, and the television show as much as how “indecent” any individual act is.

The whole idea behind rock is that artists don’t ‘” and shouldn’t ‘” play by anyone’s rules.

You don’t want to play by the show’s rules? Fine. They won’t have you on to promote your album. Good luck with that. But to claim that a guy who got his big break on television’s biggest reality show is too scrupled to “play by anyone’s rules” is kind of a stretch, IMHO.

Well I didn’t have a problem with ABC’s problems with Adam’s performance. I know I did, I even had a problem with Adam’s problems with ABC’s problems with his performance.

But I have to agree with mj on this one, this is kind of lame to do a last-minute cancel.

discrimination: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit:

the definition of discrimination. gma canceled adam based on him NOT on the fact that he is gay or a male. someone earlier said it’s a business decision. ITA. they don’t trust him not to make a scene. and his performance on ama was too much. if it was one crotch grab, ok. but it was one thing after another. the bj with a guy, the bj with a girl, the girl dancer grabbing his crotch, the cane between his legs when on his knees and then stroking it, grabbinig (fingering?) the dancer’s crotch on that executioner chair, the threesome in front of the mirror door and then the grand finale the rough, angry kiss. THAT’S WHAT GMA IS AFRAID OF! they are not afraid of adam’s sexuality, they are afraid if the shit he might pull.

I don’t want to suggest anything but…

http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/3098952.html

Adam made this not about the music and put himself in this position. Maybe this will teach him to just shut up and sing next time.

Gee the Dixie Chicks’s movie was called that. It was all about how the Country music fans tried to censor them when Natalie made her comment about Bush.

I didn’t realize that Adam had said anything offensive.

This is bullsh*t. Hello, can’t they put the performance on a delay? Adam isn’t some crazed animal. He is a GREAT PERFORMER.

But you can not find simulated oral sex, homo or hetero on network tv. Please.

Flipping off the audience at the end probably didn’t help, either.

LoL at this whole deal. Has anyone not seen the stuff that Fox regularly airs before 9 pm? Are you seriously going to tell me that Family Guy is somehow less offensive then anything that Adam did? And I know for a fact that teens and children see that.

I don’t get the controversy.

I think we all agreed last week that Adam has the right to not want to be dragged into gay politics or be a standard bearer for gay men. That’s totally his right.

Likewise, ABC totally has the right not to be dragged into his bizarro campaign for the rights of male performers because goodness knows that men have been opressed for years and can’t catch a break in the music business. Oy! LOL. That’s not why they cancelled him, but people are acting like it’s ABC’s duty to give him a platform. It’s not. They’ll do what best benifits them.

Personally, I bet they are more annoyed that Adam keeps unfairly implying that they cut the kiss with Tommy (he gripes about being censored and then uses the comparison with the Brit/Madonna kiss) when they did not. The AMA organization was nothing but supportive of him and he totally takes that for granted.

I kind of think that Adam did all that crap in an attempt to get censored. He doesn’t look lost in the music, he looks annoyed. He probably realized early on that the performance was off the rails (especially after he fell) so he wasn’t going to get any press for the performance of the night. So, let’s try to tempt the censors and then start screaming about discrimination before anything ever happens. Pay no attention to the horrible, amature, off-key performance I just did.

What a lame-o. He’s got talent. Why doesn’t he use it to sell music instead of having fueds with other people in the entertainment industry? Next thing you know, he’s going to have a smackdown with Kermit the Frog.

ETA: It was probably the ABC sound techs that refused to work with him. After he nearly blew out their ears when he smashed his mic into the ground while falling, then he blames them for the entire train wreck. The union probably threatened to go on strike if they had to work another one of his shows. j/k

already done, AdoK

GMA is getting killed on twitter!

Yeah, I really don’t think it is the kiss. They didn’t even censor it out… I think it is the simulated blowjob. THAT was what was over the top and vulgar for me (and the bigger problem, that they didn’t know it was coming). The kiss didn’t bother me, though it wasn’t sexy, it was more like an attention grab (look at THAT! so there!). (I’m certainly not saying that the kiss didn’t offend anyone, because there are plenty of people out there offended by man/man kissing, but I don’t think that is the big motivator behind all this)

That said, they played right into his hands since apparently this rollout is all about making people talk. Mission accomplished, I suppose. Yuck.

If Adam had simulated oral sex with just women there would be no uproar.

Kristen if you listened to Adam’s radio interviews nothing was calculated and almost everything was spontaneous. Adam’s character is not cold and calculating like you prefer to see him as.

Yeah, the kiss? People actually think that was the scandalous part of the performance? You can find gay kisses on network tv. But you can not find simulated oral sex, homo or hetero on network tv. Please.

I didn’t see any simulated oral sex. I saw someone’s face pushed into Adam’s crotch. To me that was less real than Janet Jackson grabbing that male dancer’s crotch.

Hello, can’t they put the performance on a delay?

THIS..wasn’t the View put on delay a few years ago because they couldn’t trust those “controversial” ladies?

The only network that has a beef with Adam right now is ABC, and there is a good possibility that won’t last long either. I think the main reason that ABC cancelled is that the AMAs are still in the news. Case in point: ABC News still had on their homepage this morning a link to an article entitled ‘Is Adam Lambert too shocking for TV?’  So, I think it’s too soon for ABC to have him on GMA ‘” they are probably afraid that would generate more complaints. But at the end of the day it is mainly about ratings

Which reminds me of this (and don’t pretend I’m trying to convince you that AL is EP — it just reminded me of the scandal/ratings thing):

(1956): Elvis Presley had already appeared on other national television shows (such as on Stage Show, The Milton Berle Show, and on the popular The Steve Allen Show) when Ed Sullivan booked Elvis for three shows. Elvis’ pelvic gyrations during his appearances on these other shows had caused much discussion and concern about the suitability of airing such provocative and sensual movements on television.

Although at first Ed Sullivan said he would never want Elvis on his show, Sullivan changed his mind when The Steve Allen Show with Elvis as a guest had about twice as many viewers as Sullivan’s show that night (they were competing for the same audience since they were in the same time slot).

ABC has shot itself in the foot here, because Adam isn’t ever going to want to appear on GMA after this. If he becomes a big star, ABC/GMA/Disney are gonna be kicking themselves for this stupidity.

First of all, Adam will always need the networks more than they need him. There are other, and bigger stars than Adam Lambert, he’s not doing them a favor by showing up on their shows, he’s the one who needs the promotion.

Secondly, Adam is not a big star yet, he’s just a guy who went on a realit tv show, and who has a rabid online fan base. Most people beyond the idol bubble still have no clue who he is, and most importantly, those outside of the bubble have no clue about his music, but that’s mainly the fault of Adam and his promoters.

Adam admitted he got carried away by the music and the performance when he kissed Tommy. Who is to say he wouldn’t do it again since he cannot control the impulses?

A fully clothed kiss on the mouth is not obscene or unallowable on network television, no matter *who* is doing the kissing. There are *no* anti-kissing regulations.

I can only assume that some people here think that there are anti-*gay*-kissing regulations. But I can assure there are not. And I can assure you that if somebody tried to put those in, and *that* went through the courts, it would be declared … uh … good and unconstitutional….

ABC loss is CBS gain. ABC thinks 1500 complaints is bad? They have no idea what’s about to hit them.

If you remove the kiss and simulated bj ….. what was left to make the announcement ‘wait until you see Adam Lambert’s eye-popping performance’?

All the announcements I heard were telling us not to miss Adam, he was giving a performance that will be talked about tomorrow.

Seems as if they had to know about the simulated bj.

I never appreciated artist using whatever means to get their names out there. It should be all about music. But it isn’t. Not just stuff Adam does, but all the other crap out there. I know about Britney being divorced, having 2 sons, being accused of not being a fit mother, being in court, rehab?, whatever and I can’t name one song from her new album.
Now to what I actually wanted to say. Outrage, cancellation, complaints about his performance are just bull. If somebody has a problem with what is on a show, there is always that little button on the remote where you can turn it off. And everybody who is outraged because of their children watching. If they are so young, protected, innocent that they don’t know what a BJ is, they won’t even notice that the Adam’s simulation of a BJ was anything more than another dance move. And a kiss is something shown on every primetime shows airing now, if the only problem is that it was a kiss between two guys then I will reluctantly have to side with Adam that it is discrimination.
In the end he will make it or not based on his music alone.

Wow. Nothing like a little martyrdom in the name of freedom of expression to take the attention off of a painfully amateurish AMA performance. I swear Adam lives under a lucky media star! Gotta love the little controversy lightening rod. This could be Taylor Swift and Kanye levels of public sympathy inducing PR.

ABC’s official statement should be very interesting….

If you remove the kiss and simulated bj ‘ ¦.. what was left to make the announcement ‘wait until you see Adam Lambert’s eye-popping performance’?

Guys on a leash, maybe?

What no one seems to be addressing or talking about is the fact that NO ONE (fans, bloggers, media, music listeners, AMA watchers, GMA used to be watchers, radio interview listeners etc. etc.) have said
ADAM WHO and WHO is this guy?

And, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, this is the #1 REQUIREMENT for anyone who wants to make a living off of the general public. You won’t sell a hill of beans if no one knows who you are no matter how well you can sing or act or play the piano. That is why advertising and PR are the two most important things for anyone wanting to promote their Artistic product just like it is for ANY consumer product.

And sure there are a lot of ways to get your name out there and every potential fan will think that some ways are more socially acceptable than others…but, regardless of the method, that is still the most important thing. Just ask a Melinda Doolittle, or any other person with a great voice how important name recognition is.

Top 10 trends on twitter:

#classicmoviequotes
· #shameonyouabc
· Adam Lambert
· Google Wave
· #aintnothinglike
· Black Friday
· New Moon
· GMA
· ABC
· #GMAfail

Half of them about Adam. Ahhhh, it’s a good day to be an Adam fan.

I can imagine Adam shrugging his shoulders saying “Oh Well” with a smile on his face “ABC, CBS,” it’s not that deep people then he would lick his lips and shine those eyes and whisper “Don’t forget Letterman guys, it’s gonna be sick as he’s lol. I love that bb.

Corporate America:

Keeping Americans safe from skeeeeery musicians, so that the masses may safely listen only to brain-numbing garbage like “Fireflies” by Owl City!!

/slight sarcasm…okay, NOT “slight”…/

What a lame excuse! hahahahahah!

Just because those are sex simulations that we’re more used to doesn’t mean they’re any less sex simulations.

Right on, Lucy.

Don’t have to enjoy sex simulations of any kind to be outraged at this.

Gay is too risky live in the morning??? But just fine for ABC prime time.

And, boobs hanging out and teenage girls tarted up like hookers is excellent 24/7

Something makes no sense here. Just no sense at all.

Someone at some right wing hate group must have pictures of some ABC exec doing something live and not fit for morning. Because it’s impossible that they cancelled this over 1500 phone calls.

First of all, Adam will always need the networks more than they need him. There are other, and bigger stars than Adam Lambert, he’s not doing them a favor by showing up on their shows, he’s the one who needs the promotion.

Secondly, Adam is not a big star yet, he’s just a guy who went on a realit tv show, and who has a rabid online fan base. Most people beyond the idol bubble still have no clue who he is, and most importantly, those outside of the bubble have no clue about his music, but that’s mainly the fault of Adam and his promoters.

ITA

HermeticallySealed
11/24/2009 at 12:34 pm
LoL at this whole deal. Has anyone not seen the stuff that Fox regularly airs before 9 pm? Are you seriously going to tell me that Family Guy is somehow less offensive then anything that Adam did? And I know for a fact that teens and children see that.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This!

I so agree with this. That AMA performance was on at friggin’ 10:45pm. I was barely awake! I didn’t like his sim BJ, but I defend to the death his right to do it, esp. in light of the phalanx of hip thrusting dancers with Janet Jackson!

You know, the irony is Adam didn’t want to be known as just a “gay” singer and now that is all he’s known as. And he made that choice. If he had focused on his talent and mader smarter choices about his performance then he would have achieved more respect from the industry.

And I’m sure there are plenty of gay people out there who have a problem with him using discrimination when his performance had forced fellatio and loads of bondage imagery. Since when is THAT what being gay is about? I think people have a right to discriminate against THAT, gay or straight.

The kiss was not cut. So, no. The kiss is not the problem.

I’m not saying that the kiss is the problem for ABC.

I’m saying that the kiss is the problem for quite a few people on this board. And why do I say that? Because people keep bringing it up — over and over and over again — as the “in the moment” action that may call down FCC rules on ABC’s head! I read that over and over here. … .

So while ABC obviously isn’t dumb enough to think that the kiss is a rule breaker, that doesn’t seem to be true of some fans.

If Adam had simulated oral sex with just women there would be no uproar.

That’s pure speculation – nobody has done that on network TV as far as I know on an award show. If someone does it, we’ll see what the reaction was. I personally would find that vulgar as well and would change the channel.

Anyone who watched Adam on AI knows that this is a guy who usually controls every nuance of his movement. I think that his fall on stage triggered the adreneline….

I think Adam should apologize both to the network and the band member. The thing that was shocking to me about the kiss was that it looked forced. Unless Adam has been fooling us all along about his values, I don’t think forced anything is part of who he wants to be.

The other thing I hope that Adam begins to understand is that you don’t change cultural values by getting in people’s faces. I remember the first time I say a gay male couple embrace and it was revolting to me, even though both of the men were my friends and I knew they were gay. Because I deeply cared for them, I adjusted over time. The kind of shock from this unexpected behavior on TV entrenches people in their resistence to change and is counterproductive.

ABC’s official statement should be very interesting’ ¦.

They already have one. Think MJ posted it above. They said they didn’t want to take the risk after the AMAs. Lame.

ABC’s statement is disingenuous. They knew he wasn’t going to perform FYE (which I don’t really think of as a morning song on my gym/getting ready for work playlist). They knew he was going to perform WWFM. Whoops, oh yeah, he is going to perform WWFM (on another show, with more publicity). I’ve said this before, but now he needs to go sing WWFM beautifully (said by someone who was not scandalized by, but did not love the AMA performance). I hope they are practicing today and not sitting around laughing at all of this (though that is, I am sure, tempting).

The original article about the ABC complaints said that 1500 complaints was actually considered to be a small number. They have had, in the past, up to 20,000 complaints about content.

he definition of discrimination. gma canceled adam based on him NOT on the fact that he is gay or a male. someone earlier said it’s a business decision. ITA. they don’t trust him not to make a scene. and his performance on ama was too much. if it was one crotch grab, ok. but it was one thing after another. the bj with a guy, the bj with a girl, the girl dancer grabbing his crotch, the cane between his legs when on his knees and then stroking the it, grabbinig (fingering?) the dancer’s crotch on that executioner chair, the threesome in front of the mirror door and then the grand finale the rough, angry kiss. THAT’S WHAT GMA IS AFRAID OF! they are not afraid of adam’s sexuality, they are afraid if the shit he might pull.

I bolded the parts that I missed am I going blind! Was all that really in there? Now I gotta go back and watch it again.

Actually now that I have had time to think about it I think the most offensive thing was him giving the audience the finger at the end and I only saw a still photograph of that. What the hell was that about?

Has there ever been simulated oral sex — that would be cunnilingus, not kissing — between two females on network television? Or head in the crotch simulated fellatio or cunnilingus between a male and female? Humping the floor or humping chairs or bumping and grinding aren’t quite analogous, IMO.

Look, I think that ABC is being ridiculous too. I think it would have served them well to have Adam on the show and have him perform a beautiful song beautifully with nary a sex simulation in sight. But let’s be real — what he did was highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for prime time network TV. Is ABC being hypocritical? Did they know about the stuff in advance? Surely the BJ, which is the only part they can credibly claim was “offensive” or “controversial.” But since when have television networks NOT been hypocritical.

I don’t know if this will hurt ABC more than it hurts Adam. I’m very glad he’s getting the CBS gig, even though between the generally lower ratings, confusion and lack of time to promote the appearance, he will probably be seen by fewer people than he would have been on GMA. Most important thing now is for him to be seen as resilient.

If you remove the kiss and simulated bj ‘ ¦.. what was left to make the announcement ‘wait until you see Adam Lambert’s eye-popping performance’?

Walking half naked people dressed in leather harnesses around on leashes, sticking your hand up a female dancer’s crotch, the humping of dancers of both genders, various groping of dancers of both genders, the lyrics of the song itself, and oh yeah… his incredible voice. That sounds like it could have done the job.

GMA displayed their underlying concern in this portion of their cancellation e-mail:

“During the controversial American Music Awards performance, Lambert kissed his male keyboard player on one occasion, and rubbed another male dancer’s face in his crotch on another, drawing thousands of complaints to ABC, which broadcast the awards event.”

Note where they decided to include gender references. They shouldn’t have mentioned the kiss at all, and should have left the gender references out. This is what makes it appear homophobic. Who is their idiot PR person?

It’s going to be so incongruent when tomorrow night, Dave doesn’t bring up this craziness. And Adam sings WYWFM like a choir boy.
Well Said FHS

Who on earth thinks that the kiss was the problem? The problem was the simulate bj and that would be issue if it a guy pulled a girls head and simulated that on a music awards show. Not to mention the fingers on that girls……. It was over-the-line crude. The kissing is no big deal. I think people want to make it about the kissing but that was not the part that was blanked out. It was the head to crotch simulated bj. How can that be acceptable? It was over the line.

Everyone does have to admit AI is never going to be the same after Adam Lambert. Talk about shattering the boring image of most AI contestants. As they say there is not bad or good publicity at least he has managed to keep his name in the media. I do say Sunday may have been a bit of a misstep but one he will survive. As long as he focuses on the music from here on out or at least till he is little more established.

But you can not find simulated oral sex, homo or hetero on network tv. Please.

I’ve seen hetero oral several times on network dramas.

Granted, they only show the person going down and then sort of the top of the back of their head in place. So that’s not quite the same as a full-body shot on the stage. But it sure as heck *is* oral sex — and since those shows are fiction, and we are meant to believe that the stories are really happening and are not performances, that would actually qualify for *real* oral sex, and not “simulated,” in my mind.

tiger92 – You are right. That the gender pronouns email are very telling. Had they left them out, it’s another story.

I didn’t see any simulated oral sex. I saw someone’s face pushed into Adam’s crotch.

I watched several times, and it looked like his face was actually in Adam’s stomach.

I would like to add my 2 cents. One of my favorite TV nights is Monday. I am always schocked at the content of the at least favorite shows on the CBS’s lineup, HIMYM and 2 and half men. The stuff they say is incredible. However, maybe, a child won’t get it. (I hope) I am a TV junkie, and the stuff they show on all the CSI shows, is disgusting, and vile. However, alot of it is implied. I can say I have NEVER seen a girl get fingured on National TV, or a simulated guy on guy. (girl on guy either) implied? Yes. Adam crossed a line that no one has crossed before. I blame his management team. I mean this is who Adam is. He is a product of theatre, and the gay scene. This is what he knows, and I am sure had no idea of the consequences he(along with his fans, family, friends, label and management team) would suffer. I hope he learns, and gets to prove he is a serious artist. If he really is a serious artist.

The fact is that there was a collective “ew” during Adam’s routine and that collective “ew” would have happened regardless of the sex of the people involved. Grandmas and pre-teens should be able to watch a music awards show and not have to see soft porn. There are no excuses.

Guys on a leash, maybe?

Everybody including ABC knew all about the guys on the leashes and were obviously perfectly fine with that.

Taylor Swift won more awards than anyone, right? So next year ABC should cancel the AMA’s all together and put on a Taylor Swift special. She is just about the only star in the music business squeaky clean enough not to offend anyone.

I’m very glad he’s getting the CBS gig, even though between the generally lower ratings, confusion and lack of time to promote the appearance, he will probably be seen by fewer people than he would have been on GMA.

Oh no, he won’t.

‘During the controversial American Music Awards performance, Lambert kissed his male keyboard player on one occasion, and rubbed another male dancer’s face in his crotch on another, drawing thousands of complaints to ABC, which broadcast the awards event.’ 

I could have sworn he did the crotch thing with a female dancer.

Like I said before if Adam had done this only with females noone would complain.

All you non Adam fans….keep doing what you are doing……Adam’s album has moved up to 4 and 5 on Itunes. Thankyou GMA. Couldn’t do it without you.

the bj with a girl, the girl dancer grabbing his crotch, the cane between his legs when on his knees and then stroking the it, grabbinig (fingering?) the dancer’s crotch on that executioner chair, the threesome in front of the mirror door

The AMAs had already seen all of this in rehearsals! So, this part was okay with them.

Actually now that I have had time to think about it I think the most offensive thing was him giving the audience the finger at the end and I only saw a still photograph of that. What the hell was that about?

And somehow they edited that out! Makes you wonder about ABC, doesn’t it? (They could have edited out the sim bj-the whole show was on time delay.)

If you remove the kiss and simulated bj ‘ ¦.. what was left to make the announcement ‘wait until you see Adam Lambert’s eye-popping performance’?

All the announcements I heard were telling us not to miss Adam, he was giving a performance that will be talked about tomorrow.

Seems as if they had to know about the simulated bj.

That.

What exactly were they promoting all night? You had dancers in S&M outfits. Did ABC think these were costumes for Pocahontas? They saved Adam’s performance for as late as possible. Why was that? Was it not to insure all the kiddies would be in bed because they knew something was going to happening?

1500 complaints out of 14 million viewers? Again, that’s a little over .01%. And ABC is nervous? Has the FCC announced an investigation?

Oh, was it the unplanned male on male kiss? Really. ABC has a soap opera, One Life to Live. They are doing a whole storyline about a gay couple. They had a mass gay wedding where gay and lesbians were kissing everywhere. Is it okay if you are just an actor but not if you are really gay?

Again, shame on ABC.

the kiss, simulated blow job, the crotch grab – who fucking cares? no pun intended, but this all is being blown SO OUT of proportion. it’s time for people to chill the fuck out. why is everyone so uptight over a little sex?

i hope adam takes this rejection and runs with it. knocks ‘em dead on cbs and on ellen and letterman. i have to say, today i’m an even bigger fan of adam lambert than i was yesterday.

I have been watchig General Hospital for about 30 years now. And I must say that the stuff you can see on daytime TV might even make Adam blush. And wasnt it just a few weeks ago on a night time drama (Private Practice or Greys Anatomy) that there were two women kissing. Don’t those two shows air on ABC? Back in the 80s a show called Married w/ Children was on during prime time and was about a teenage girl that was a slut and a boy who was always dreaming of women and the parents on the show were always thinking of being w/ other people. Now that show was very funny but it was for adults. Not every show that comes on at night is for kids even if there on a major network. As a parent it is up to me to make sure I monitor what my kids watch and listen to. I have been known to have a mixed drink if we are out to dinner but that does not mean I would allow my kids to drink just because we are having dinner during prime time. I do not understand the choice to cancell the GMA performance. They know good and well Adam is not going to put on a provocative performance on a morning show. You can not convince me that ABC did not have any ideas that Adam may do something crazy and now they are pretending they were in the dark. I don’t belivev it.

I watched several times, and it looked like his face was actually in Adam’s stomach.

Oh, it was a simulated blowjob. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that, however bad Adam’s aim was, lol. Why else would you shove someone’s head in your crotch? To gift them with the honor of a little sniff?

As long as he focuses on the music from here on out or at least till he is little more established.

I don’t think this situation will leave him focusing on just the music. I think he is going to have to respond to this and it will always be there as the beginning of his career.

Hmm, how does every Adam thread start reading like soft porn? Lol. Think we had this on the tour too…

Actually now that I have had time to think about it I think the most offensive thing was him giving the audience the finger at the end and I only saw a still photograph of that. What the hell was that about?

I was most offended by the fall. Seriously, uncalled for, Adam. As a stage performer myself who can cross the stage many times without falling on my face, I was deeply offended by that.

I’ve seen sexier moves and actions on SYTYCD. That show is still on network prime time TV right? Oh yeah, that is hetro sexy.

Ladyguard
11/24/2009 at 12:50 pm

All you non Adam fans’ ¦.keep doing what you are doing’ ¦’ ¦Adam’s album has moved up to 4 and 5 on Itunes. Thankyou GMA. Couldn’t do it without you.

Love it!

I have to roll my eyes at the suggestion that Adam’s routine was “soft porn.” Adam was wearing pants. The female dancer was in a leotard and tights. No nudity = not porn.

And nobody has even mentioned the penis that Lady GaGa was sporting – I kind of did a double take on that one. I wonder if she’s a little miffed that Adam’s stealing her thunder.

How can that be acceptable?

In the real world.

11/24/2009 at 12:50 pm

All you non Adam fans’ ¦.keep doing what you are doing’ ¦’ ¦Adam’s album has moved up to 4 and 5 on Itunes. Thankyou GMA. Couldn’t do it without you.

Well said, Ladyguard. This is publicity and a way for Adam to continue his break from the AI vanilla pap. What a wild ride. I just wish it wasn’t over such hate, narrow-mindedness and hypocrisy. When I think of how many times I have watched that wretched boy-girl dancing that simulates doggy-style sex on prime time TV, what Adam did seems rather tame. Such a double standard.

Maybe I’ve become too cynical and jaded but the whole AMA, Adam, cancelation thing, it just adds to drama. After all the negative/dramatic publicity he received for his AMA performance, now he’ll get the ‘victim’ of closed minds, sympathy support. He’s not even lost a gig, he’s gonna perform on CBS. Whatever… I have nothing against Adam & don’t blame him. He’s an amazing talent. It’s his label & management that are putting me off!

All you non Adam fans’ ¦.keep doing what you are doing’ ¦’ ¦Adam’s album has moved up to 4 and 5 on Itunes. Thankyou GMA. Couldn’t do it without you

Seriously? It is moving up? KA was out of the top 15 and dropping at this same time. This is GREAT NEWS!

Bring on CBS and Letterman with WWFM! How appropriate!

zuper
11/24/2009 at 12:54 pm

I’ve seen sexier moves and actions on SYTYCD. That show is still on network prime time TV right?

Wait! And Courtney Galleano from SYTYCD was one of his dancers. Hmm… I know, it was all her fault!

Actually now that I have had time to think about it I think the most offensive thing was him giving the audience the finger at the end and I only saw a still photograph of that. What the hell was that about?

I think that finger was for Aaron Hicklin.

Adam needs to get over himself.

Oh lord. Really not looking forward to Adam’s cries of discrimination! close-mindedness! Risk-taking, ever heard of it????

but p.s

Hahahahah Adam.

GMA displayed their underlying concern in this portion of their cancellation e-mail:

‘During the controversial American Music Awards performance, Lambert kissed his male keyboard player on one occasion, and rubbed another male dancer’s face in his crotch on another, drawing thousands of complaints to ABC, which broadcast the awards event.’ 

Wow! The gender qualifications here tell the true story.

what was left to make the announcement ‘wait until you see Adam Lambert’s eye-popping performance’?

Plenty. s&m dancer wardrobe, guys on leashes, misc. groping in multiple directions/combinations; lyrics of the song itself.

And theoretically, they may have hoped that just his performance and vocals would be so good as to be ‘eye-popping’ without all the rest of it. Unfortunately, they weren’t, and even when he had better moments vocally, it was overshadowed by all the antics on the stage.

I’ve always liked Madonna even in her provocative performances. What I saw with hers that I did not see in Adam the other night was a lot of self-control in how she went about it, and a sense of humor that lightened up the more risque elements to keep them from going over a line to lewdness. Adam’s just came across as crass and unpleasant to watch, sorry to say as I generally have liked Adam to this point.

I thought he hit a much better balance on the AI Tour of integrating some elements to be edgy, while letting the vocals come first and not going over-the-top in performance when presenting to a mainstream audience. And ABC, on a broadcast of the AMAs, is pretty much a mainstream audience. Not one where the audience or network is signing up for a few-holds-barred sex show.

I also agree, the aggressive flipping off of the audience is an issue just of itself, and particularly questionable on his debut performance at a big event like that. He is a new unproven act, however fervent his core AI fanbase and some media circles may be about him. He should have been grateful just to be at the event, much less being invited to perform — and much less again, to be slated as the show-closing performance.

No idea what he was thinking in doing that. Was giving everyone the bird supposed to be part of the performance, or another element of ‘spontaneity’ thrown in out of excitement? Or out of anger if he was feeling that the studio audience didn’t ‘get it’ ?

I’ve seen sexier moves and actions on SYTYCD. That show is still on network prime time TV right? Oh yeah, that is hetro sexy.

EXACTLY. SYTYCD and DWTS have all the time simulated oral sex. ALL THE FREAKING TIME.

And call me crazy but I remember Pink also doing something like that a few years ago in some award show.

I’ve seen sexier moves and actions on SYTYCD. That show is still on network prime time TV right? Oh yeah, that is hetro sexy.

EXACTLY. SYTYCD and DWTS have all the time simulated oral sex. ALL THE FREAKING TIME.

And call me crazy but I remember Pink also doing something like that a few years ago in some award show.

Oh yeah, that is hetro sexy.

Haha, really? I guess you can pretend like it is because they are paired up girl/boy. But there’s plenty of non-hetero-sexy on there

Here’s a link posted on MSN to tweets about Adam

http://www.bing.com/twitter/search?q=Adam%20Lambert&FORM=msnlfs

pretty active and generally supportive

Ha!

This is all really funny, really.

First of all, I’m sure Adam is LOVING it. I remember seeing an interview with Ringo Starr where he describes the Beatles’ performance on the roof- where they were actually breaking the law (apperently it isn’t allowed to perform on rooftops in England- go figure!), and he was saying that they wanted the cops to come and drag them kicking and screaming (but were very disappointed when the cops just came and politely told them to stop, Then they couldn’t refuse…lol)
Second of all- ABC’s version is bullshit. I’m a lawyer, and you actually don’t need to be one in order to know that if they REALLY were only worried that he’d get out of hand, all they had to do was to sign him to a contract where he is prohibited to do anything obscene (they can even describe exactly what he shouldn’t do, lol, so there won’t be any room for” interpretation”) and for any breach of contract he would have to pay them, say a millon bucks or so- and then, believe me, peeps, Adam would not “give in” to any “spurs of the moment”. Seems they didn’t even try tough, doesn’t?
But you know what? If they did offer him to sign a contract like this, and he refused, I love the guy even more.

For me-it’s all good, as long as we get to see his lovely face and hear his lovely (hopefully on pitch) voice again!

The other thing I hope that Adam begins to understand is that you don’t change cultural values by getting in people’s faces. I remember the first time I say a gay male couple embrace and it was revolting to me, even though both of the men were my friends and I knew they were gay. Because I deeply cared for them, I adjusted over time.

Yes, this is a very common reaction, for virtually all of us, I’m betting. …

But here’s the thing — Nobody *ever* gets over this reaction is they *don’t* see this. And see it repeatedly. And if you’re all busy being polite about not putting it out into the public until the public is ready, the public will *never* get used to it, and will *never* be ready ….

Shock *will* for a time bring out people’s entrenched beliefs. I agree with you there.

But I defy you to tell me how in the world anyone would ever get past their shock if they weren’t forced to look at the thing that shocks them. … I think you’ve just stated here that you know from experience that intellectually believing that it’s okay does *not* lessen the shock, and that even when you care for the people involved, you may well be very upset by the thing and *still* have to see it and be conscious of it a lot of times to get past your feelings about it.

There is no way as a society that we can think our way through this. Unless it’s out there in front of us — because of rules, laws, and brave people that allow it to be out there — there is just no way that people are going to change their attitudes.

And changing the attitudes will be ugly and loud, as you say. But it’s a necessary change.

Unless it’s presented as a fait accompli that you simply have to get used to and come to terms with, people who oppose it will not change their attitudes. Asking them nicely won’t do it — because then they’ll say, “Oh, I respect your right to do that; but, please, I don’t want to *see* it.”

And they’ll think that’s just fine and dandy. But guess what? It’s a hideous double standard that has to give way to the single standard — that the only homosexual acts that shock us are the ones whose *exact* heterosexual equivalent would also shock us. (on that ground, I would say that there are some things Adam did the other night that I’m not sure it was good judgment to do — but I think exactly the same thing about the *tons* of simulated sex that we see from women on the same kinds of programs, adn that we saw on that same program.)

Does anyone know the overall ratings for ABC, CBS, and NBC? I thought, as a network, ABC has had the lowest ratings for quite some time.

Whatever…….ABC you are a big fail on this one! CBS….I hope your Morning Show ratings ‘double’ tomorrow.

Hey, if CBS needs some where to hold Adam’s concert, I think I know of a theater that just had an ‘event’ cancelled!!

What doesn’t make sense is why is CBS booking Adam if he is so bad? ABC is doing a Beyonce special thanksgiving night and she’s always flaunting her sexuality.

I’ve seen sexier moves and actions on SYTYCD. That show is still on network prime time TV right? Oh yeah, that is hetro sexy.

Right now, on Twitter, @GMA just asked for people to tweet questions for the SYTYCD finalists.

Here was mine:

FifthHouseSun So, @GMA wants questions for SYTYCD finalists. Here’s one: Are u afraid @GMA will censor the gay among you? #shameonyouABC

#shameonyouABC is trending #2

Adam was on GMA this summer. Handsome, polite, angel voiced Adam. They know he’s the consummate professional. They had to have discussed this with him. Did Adam say he couldn’t guarantee he wouldn’t perform a blow job on live AM TV?

Adam knows fans came in to NYC just for the concert. Can’t believe 19 didn’t reassure ABC – no blow jobs.

“”"All you non Adam fans’ ¦.keep doing what you are doing’ ¦’ ¦Adam’s album has moved up to 4 and 5 on Itunes. Thankyou GMA. Couldn’t do it without you

Seriously? It is moving up? KA was out of the top 15 and dropping at this same time. This is GREAT NEWS!

Bring on CBS and Letterman with WWFM! How app”"”"

AWESOME – you go Adam and dont ever get over yourself, please keep giving us all of you, maybe tone it down just a teensy weensy bit (or not, I will still be your fan) – being your fan is exhausting but fun – I am learning to develop a tough skin though – cannot wait to see you tomorrow and in person on monday woop woop

the bj with a girl, the girl dancer grabbing his crotch, the cane between his legs when on his knees and then stroking the it, grabbinig (fingering?) the dancer’s crotch on that executioner chair, the threesome in front of the mirror door

The AMAs had already seen all of this in rehearsals! So, this part was okay with them.

There were Tweets about the stuff, IIRC it was mentioned in an interview from someone who went to the rehersal mentioning, so the only part they kiss, which was unscripted.

“All you non Adam fans’ ¦.keep doing what you are doing’ ¦’ ¦Adam’s album has moved up to 4 and 5 on Itunes. Thankyou GMA. Couldn’t do it without you”

“Seriously? It is moving up? KA was out of the top 15 and dropping at this same time. This is GREAT NEWS!”

“Bring on CBS and Letterman with WWFM! How appropriate!”

YES!!!!WWFM will do for ADAM what “I Am Beautiful did for Christina Aguilera” wow I’m in a party mood today!!

All you non Adam fans’ ¦.keep doing what you are doing’ ¦’ ¦Adam’s album has moved up to 4 and 5 on Itunes. Thankyou GMA. Couldn’t do it without you

Are you sure you aren’t looking at the POP iTunes chart? FYE has been at 4 and 5 on the Pop chart since yesterday….

What no one seems to be addressing or talking about is the fact that NO ONE (fans, bloggers, media, music listeners, AMA watchers, GMA used to be watchers, radio interview listeners etc. etc.) have said
ADAM WHO and WHO is this guy?

Yeah, I generally don’t say Brittney who? either, but I also don’t buy her music. We’ll see.

Also, as much as I love Christina Applegate, I’m not so she would have enjoyed the country with people walking around naked if sexual acts were forced upon her…however ‘minor’.

ETA: For the record, I don’t consider myself a non-Adam fan.

everyone i know–gay people included–were disgusted by the performane. the overall tone of the performance was just uncalled for. and he sounded pretty bad, too.

there were so many different ways he could’ve taken this performance. the voice alone is enough to get people talking, and he can be entertaining or engaging without being gross. (take idol for example. the reason people were so into him is because of his VOICE and his uniqueness. he doesn’t need all this stuff on top of it.) i think he made a big mistake.

It is ABC’s loss. I do not understand what all the fuss is about. It’s ALL been done before.

Radio interview with Elvis Duran this AM ( Pt 1, mentioning the incident)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB1ockbreqc

Roughly transcribing after one listen, but this is how Elvis welcomes him in
“please don’t use any cuss words, but feel free to grab as many crotches as you would like, nobody around here cares about that”

MA displayed their underlying concern in this portion of their cancellation e-mail:

‘During the controversial American Music Awards performance, Lambert kissed his male keyboard player on one occasion,”

Who on earth thinks that the kiss was the problem

Well, according to the quote from GMA/ABC above, *they* think the kiss was a problem. And, lookie lookie here, they think it was a problem because it was his *male* keyboard player that he kissed!!!!

So, no, the people who are saying that there’s absolutely no issue of homosexuality here are wrong, obviously. ABC has just told us flat out that one of their most important complaints is the kiss…

*And* they put the qualifying adjective “male” in front of the head-in-crotch complaint, also, which implies pretty danged strongly that had it been a female head-in-crotch they may well have let it pass …

Whatever. I think the cancellation is lame. Money always talks, however. ABC was probably afraid of losing sponsors.

I think they had to do something in response to the 1500 complaints. That is probably what it came down to.

What makes simulating a BJ worse than simulating other kinds of sex? The fact that it was man-on-man and, technically, I do think that’s discrimination.

Actually Adam simulated sex with a woman first, but I think it’s the act not the gender that I think is the issue.

I don’t think it’s anti-gay discrimination.

I didn’t see any simulated oral sex. I saw someone’s face pushed into Adam’s crotch. To me that was less real than Janet Jackson grabbing that male dancer’s crotch.

Adam thrusting his crotch in someone’s face isn’t…?

I didn’t see Janet’s performance but I probably would have felt the same. Like it or not, there are censorship laws and there’s a right and wrong place for sexually suggestive “art”. Stands to reason that a network tv special that starts in prime time with multiple demographics watching is probably not the right place for either Adam’s or Janet’s version of sexual objectification as art. Whether the acts occured technically before or after 10:00 isn’t really the point, in my opinion. It’s plain common sense. When Adam’s doing his own tour he can be as wild as he wants.

No, I don’t think it’s anti-gay discrimination. It’s already been mentioned what Janice Jackson’s “wardrobe malfunction” did to her career. Does anyone remember Wendy O. Williams of the Plasmatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_O._Williams)?
” ¦In January 1981, police in Milwaukee arrested her for simulating sex on stage…’  (She was later acquitted of obscenity charges). Granted that happened in 1981 but I remember it quite vividly because my friends who were Plasmatics fans were outraged.

Adam losing a gig on a morning show isn’t that dire, really. What he can do to get over this is to stop sniping about discrimination – unless he has proof, say he’s sorry if anyone was offended, SING WELL and MAKE GOOD MUSIC.

Censorship is just plain ugly. I don’t like ABC freaking out and pulling out over this.

But nor do I approve of Adam putting on a poorly sung, gratuitously vulgar performance and then claiming victimhood — blaming discrimination and even the sound system for what turned out to be a laughably bad performance.

Today’s events all have a very calculated, publicity driven feel to me. Adam’s! Too! Daring! For! America! The fact that it seems to be working is sickening to me.

If Adam was all about artistic integrity and keeping his entertainment vision pure, he would have have never, ever appeared on a cheesy reality TV and certainly never put on the cleaned-up ballad crooning Elvis image that he did on the show.

On the show, I thought he was an interesting personality and a crazy talented vocalist. Now? I see a self-absorbed poseur — and a whiny one at that. He fans are smelly, Gene Simmons can’t sing, people are trying to put him in a box, ABC is a bunch of meany prudes with a sucky sound-system. Grow up Adam and focus on the music.

His 15 minutes can’t end fast enough for me.

WOULDN’T YOU KNOW IT: ABC has fielded some angry calls about Adam Lambert’s performance on the AMAs, during which he planted a kiss on a guy and seemed to pantomime fellatio with another guy (see story), AdAge.com reports. The network said it received about 1,500 complaints. But one person familiar with the situation said

ABC gets more complaints from viewers over broadcasts of Dancing With the Stars.”

In a prepared statement, Dick Clark Productions, which produces the awards, said, “Due to the live nature of the show , we did not expect the impromptu moment in question.” The Parents Television Council said it was asking its members to contact ABC, Dick Clark Productions, the show’s advertisers and the FCC. (11/24a)
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

WOULDN’T YOU KNOW IT: ABC has fielded some angry calls about Adam Lambert’s performance on the AMAs, during which he planted a kiss on a guy and seemed to pantomime fellatio with another guy (see story), AdAge.com reports. The network said it received about 1,500 complaints. But one person familiar with the situation said

ABC gets more complaints from viewers over broadcasts of Dancing With the Stars

.” In a prepared statement, Dick Clark Productions, which produces the awards, said, “Due to the live nature of the show , we did not expect the impromptu moment in question.” The Parents Television Council said it was asking its members to contact ABC, Dick Clark Productions, the show’s advertisers and the FCC. (11/24a)
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

Seriously? It is moving up? KA was out of the top 15 and dropping at this same time. This is GREAT NEWS!

I don’t think you meant it this way, but it sounds like you’re happy about KA’s dropping out of iTunes’s Top 10. It sounds snippy.

I so agree with this. That AMA performance was on at friggin’ 10:45pm. I was barely awake! I didn’t like his sim BJ, but I defend to the death his right to do it, esp. in light of the phalanx of hip thrusting dancers with Janet Jackson!

Where did you read that Adam has the right to simulate someone given him a blow job on National TV? He doesn’t own the network, and that was not his private show. ABC has the right to decide what will go out over their network, and they also hold a responsibility to the public, which is one of the reasons why the FCC exists.

Does anyone know what email I use to contact MJ here?

bjames
11/24/2009 at 1:02 pm
everyone i know’“gay people included’“were disgusted by the performane. the overall tone of the performance was just uncalled for. and he sounded pretty bad, too.

That may be the overwhelming reaction – it certainly wasn’t my cupa either BUT what does that have to do with a morning show performance that does not involve a leather clad SM set? Adam pushed too hard and ABC just made a bad decision. Nothing good here.

I am listening to Adam on Ryan Seacrest’s show right this second

http://www.kiisfm.com/mediaplayer/?station=KIIS-FM&action=listenlive&channel_title=

I find the reaction on here pretty funny. GMA won’t notice a huge difference in the ratings. They probably have all the fan emails filtered directly to the Spam recycle bin.

The whole argument that Adam is being treated differently because he’s gay is really laughable. No one cares that he kissed a guy at the AMAs.

He is not being held to a different standard. The BJ and fingering a woman’s crotch several times during prime time, network tv is not acceptable no matter who the performer is.

BTW, I’m really starting to like you tinydance. I said months ago that he was famous for being famous, not for his music. Unfortunate, yes. But that seems to be what he and his management prefer to have the public focus on at the moment. Time will tell if the general public buys into the music – I’m not that optimistic given his first 2 releases haven’t done very well. But I still wish him luck.

All you non Adam fans’ ¦.keep doing what you are doing’ ¦’ ¦Adam’s album has moved up to 4 and 5 on Itunes. Thankyou GMA. Couldn’t do it without you.

Actually the album has moved down. But ok.

So… Adam is not a rock star, he’s a pop star.

But being #4 and #5 on the iTunes POP top 10 is irrelevant.

Right.

From Adam’s Facebook page:

“Adam Lambert will be performing on CBS’s The Early Show tomorrow morning. Adam will be doing a special meet and greet in the plaza outside the studio following his indoor performance so fans are encouraged to gather at 59th and 5th.”

So…do you think this might draw a crowd?

“Brothers ans Sisters”is on abc and they have guy on guy kissing so I doubt ABC is homophobic. Adam kissing probably was not much the problem but the other sexual actions were and also giving the fliping the bird to the audiance was not a good move.TV even “Rescue Me” may have gone that far but it also has disclaimers up the ying-yang .. So the complaints and ABC canceling him not really that shocking..Adam dug the hole he is not established like a Madonna and yes sure ABC was worried about money..
BTW was not shocked by it or the reaction by some.

<blockquote. ABC is doing a Beyonce special thanksgiving night and she’s always flaunting her sexuality.

As Adam said ….

But here’s the thing ‘” Nobody *ever* gets over this reaction is they *don’t* see this. And see it repeatedly. And if you’re all busy being polite about not putting it out into the public until the public is ready, the public will *never* get used to it, and will *never* be ready ‘ ¦.

I can’t believe I have to preface this by stating that “I am not a prude,” but I don’t want to see simulated blow jobs on my TV, repeatedly. Are you suggesting I have to get used to watching that? For what purpose?

That may be the overwhelming reaction ‘“ it certainly wasn’t my cupa either BUT what does that have to do with a morning show performance that does not involve a leather clad SM set? Adam pushed too hard and ABC just made a bad decision. Nothing good here.

I’d say it has to do with ABC letting Adam know that they’re in charge.

All you non Adam fans’ ¦.keep doing what you are doing’ ¦’ ¦Adam’s album has moved up to 4 and 5 on Itunes. Thankyou GMA. Couldn’t do it without you

He’s moving up on Amazon, too. He’s #4 overall, and he was #5 earlier.

Solange Knowles is really sticking up for Adam (http://twitter.com/solangeknowles)!! A lot of artists are, and ShameOnYouABC is the 2nd most tweeted topic now.

Can someone post his interview with Ryan? I only caught the end of it…

So’ ¦do you think this might draw a crowd?

I don’t know. Isn’t Bon Jovi performing on the Today Show tomorrow? I can imagine more tourists going over there than for Adam, who many of them may not recognize.

It’ll be interesting to see, that’s for sure.

UPDATED

Finland: #1 pop chart, #2 general chart
Denmark: #11 pop chart, #19 general chart
Sweden: #7 pop chart, #9 general chart
Norway: #26 pop chart, #79 general chart

Other European countries:

UK: #19 pop chart, #36 general chart
France: #36 pop chart, #100 general chart
Portugal: #3 pop chart, #6 general chart (both at #2 earlier)
Holland: #40 pop chart, #71 general chart
Ireland: #127 general chart

Rest of world:
US #4
New Zealand: #2 pop chart, #3 general chart
Canada:#4 pop chart, #6 general chart
Mexico: #8 pop, #15 general

In Canada, these are the # for the deluxe album. The regular album is right behind at #5 pop and #10 in general chart

GO ADAM!!! I think this is pretty awsome!!!

But here’s the thing ‘” Nobody *ever* gets over this reaction is they *don’t* see this. And see it repeatedly.

So true. As my teenaged son said, “He said he’s gay, so why are people to surprised that he kissed a dude?” What could I say, other than, “People are idiots.”

People say things like, “I’m okay with the gay. Just don’t flaunt it in my face.” Huh? What does that mean, really? To me, it’s saying, “I’m fine with you being gay, but please ‘act straight’ and don’t hold hands, embrace, kiss, or make out with your bf in front of me. Can’t handle it.” ABC making the decision to cut Adam because he might kiss a man onstage is both the result and part of the cause of that attitude.

Shame on you, ABC. Bravo CBS.

think they had to do something in response to the 1500 complaints. That is probably what it came down to.

Except that yesterday they noted that 1500 complaints is nothing, and that they only count it a pr disaster when they get 15,000 or 20,000 complaints.

My vote is that it’s *who* is complaining. And my guess is that it’s someone who has already been on Disney’s ass about their pro-gay corporate attitudes.

The albums were #6 and #8 on Itunes, but the non deluxe one has dropped to #9, John Mayer passed it. So, no, it’s not moving up.

Seriously? It is moving up? KA was out of the top 15 and dropping at this same time. This is GREAT NEWS!

I don’t think you meant it this way, but it sounds like you’re happy about KA’s dropping out of iTunes’s Top 10. It sounds snippy.

Thanks for pointing that out. I want the best for Adam and Kris both, and Allison for that matter.

Even though Adam’s performance pissed me off on AMAs, not for it’s content, but how STOOPID he was to do that content, and his weak vocals, and his pissy little response afterwards also pissed me off for being STOOPID, I still want him to succeed. I want him to grow the feck up and think more, but I still like his album and think he can do interesting things musically.

glitter
11/24/2009 at 12:50 pm
‘During the controversial American Music Awards performance, Lambert kissed his male keyboard player on one occasion, and rubbed another male dancer’s face in his crotch on another, drawing thousands of complaints to ABC, which broadcast the awards event.’ 

I could have sworn he did the crotch thing with a female dancer.”

Glitter, he did. He fondled men and women equally. And apparently ABC did not know about the male on male kiss or the simulated bj head to the belly male to male moment. Adam himself has admitted to the spontaneity of the moment. Some trust there was blown, but Aaron Hicklin and the rest of the gay communist that think Adam is not an activist for gay rights can STFU now. Those actions and his response have spoken volumes. ABC is a little shaky about booking Adam So be it. Other networks will pick him up because he is a news generating machine.

“I was most offended by the fall. Seriously, uncalled for, Adam. As a stage performer myself who can cross the stage many times without falling on my face, I was deeply offended by that.”

LOL Mary!

I was actually quite impressed by his ability to keep singing while tucking and diving.

I also heard that the extended crotch pull on that woman was supposed to set off fireworks. All I saw was the AI mantle on his shoulders getting tossed off and being torched with gasoline, but maybe in long run that is best. We now really know what he’s willing to do on stage in the name of performance art and if you don’t want to see it, don’t go the live show. He’s said repeatedly that this is fine with him. I won’t bring my kids.

His CD still kicks ass, he is a marketing genius in that he lots of news media talking, talking, talking about him.

Now he just needs to sing. without fondling anyone at the same time. at least, for a little while. just my opinion.

I can’t believe I have to preface this by stating that ‘I am not a prude,’  but I don’t want to see simulated blow jobs on my TV, repeatedly. Are you suggesting I have to get used to watching that? For what purpose?

Sorry, unless the mouth was open and the tongue was out it’s not a simulated blow job, to me. It’s a dance move, . No worse than what 3 female singers did before him in their routines.

Radio interview with Elvis Duran this AM ( Pt 1, mentioning the incident)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB1ockbreqc

Roughly transcribing after one listen, but this is how Elvis welcomes him in
‘please don’t use any cuss words, but feel free to grab as many crotches as you would like, nobody around here cares about that’ 

I love listening to him in interviews. He’s so funny

KA was out of the top 15 and dropping at this same time.

Why are we bringing KA into a discussion on Adam, his album and his performance tomorrow?

Those who have championed Adam will continue to do so. Those who have not or have subsequently been turned off by him will remain so. Will this trending change anything? Will going after ABC (a network not known for being conservative) change anything? The downside, it could reinforce the whole cray cray Glambert thing. It stopped being about the music along time ago. Too bad.

Censorship is just plain ugly. I don’t like ABC freaking out and pulling out over this.

But nor do I approve of Adam putting on a poorly sung, gratuitously vulgar performance and then claiming victimhood ‘” blaming discrimination and even the sound system for what turned out to be a laughably bad performance.

Today’s events all have a very calculated, publicity driven feel to me. Adam’s! Too! Daring! For! America! The fact that it seems to be working is sickening to me.

If Adam was all about artistic integrity and keeping his entertainment vision pure, he would have have never, ever appeared on a cheesy reality TV and certainly never put on the cleaned-up ballad crooning Elvis image that he did on the show.

On the show, I thought he was an interesting personality and a crazy talented vocalist. Now? I see a self-absorbed poseur ‘” and a whiny one at that. He fans are smelly, Gene Simmons can’t sing, people are trying to put him in a box, ABC is a bunch of meany prudes with a sucky sound-system. Grow up Adam and focus on the music.

His 15 minutes can’t end fast enough for me.

My sentiments exactly. He had a good thing going- now if only he kept his mouth shut and shied away from gimmicks.

You forgot this gem of a quote too
“There’s a feeling of entitlement [with the fans] because they voted to get us where we are. But you know what? I am responsible for what I created on the show — you voted for what I created, and thank you, but I created it, you didn’t.”

He has become such a snob. And based on what? his album isn’t anything revolutionary. It’s pop music…

Sorry, unless the mouth was open and the tongue was out it’s not a simulated blow job, to me. It’s a dance move, . No worse than what 3 female singers did before him in their routines.

THat is EXACTLY what I saw!

I don’t want to see simulated blow jobs on my TV,

You just took something way out of context. No one needs to see that. Although, we certainly see enough hetero stuff on our TVs to keep us titillated. And on ABC, I might add. The email from ABC specifically mentioned the kiss. Are you that offended by kissing?

Hm, Dick Clark Productions, they also produce the New Year’s Eve Broadcast on ABC. Probably wouldn’t be too wise of fans to assault ABC with hate calls and the like…who knows, performers can change for that show, too.

FifthHouseSun So, @GMA wants questions for SYTYCD finalists. Here’s one: Are u afraid @GMA will censor the gay among you? #shameonyouABC

Awesome, FHS.

Bowie1
11/24/2009 at 1:00 pm
Does anyone know the overall ratings for ABC, CBS, and NBC? I thought, as a network, ABC has had the lowest ratings for quite some time.

Whatever’ ¦’ ¦.ABC you are a big fail on this one! CBS’ ¦.I hope your Morning Show ratings ‘double’ tomorrow.

For morning shows, The Today Show (NBC) is in first place, GMA is second and the CBS Early Show is in third. It has about half the viewership of GMA (according to Nielsen ratings).

So Adam called in to seacrest from New york?. what did he say?. i thought he was doing Mtv news now.

@KrisAllen: Congrats @adamlambert on the new album! Everyone go get it. YESSSSSSS!
half a minute ago from

KA was out of the top 15 and dropping at this same time.

Why are we bringing KA into a discussion on Adam, his album and his performance tomorrow?

Well, IDK – but Adam seemed to be all over the Mediabase thread when discussing Kris’s song yesterday…

babybelle32
11/24/2009 at 1:04 pm
I so agree with this. That AMA performance was on at friggin’ 10:45pm. I was barely awake! I didn’t like his sim BJ, but I defend to the death his right to do it, esp. in light of the phalanx of hip thrusting dancers with Janet Jackson!

Where did you read that Adam has the right to simulate someone given him a blow job on National TV? He doesn’t own the network, and that was not his private show. ABC has the right to decide what will go out over their network, and they also hold a responsibility to the public, which is one of the reasons why the FCC exists.

I stand by this statement. It’s disingenuous for ABC to pretend that they didn’t have any idea that the performance was going to be OTT. THEY ADVERTISED IT THAT WAY. THEY PUT HIM IN THE LAST SLOT. It isn’t more offensive that Eniemen was singing that he had raped 17 women?

COME ON……..

People say things like, ‘I’m okay with the gay. Just don’t flaunt it in my face.’  Huh? What does that mean, really? To me, it’s saying, ‘I’m fine with you being gay, but please ‘act straight’ and don’t hold hands, embrace, kiss, or make out with your bf in front of me. Can’t handle it.’  ABC making the decision to cut Adam because he might kiss a man onstage is both the result and part of the cause of that attitude.

I think that’s perfectly understandable. I don’t want straight people going at it in front of me either.. I mean, do you want your straight friends making out in front of you?

Didn’t like the performance (mostly b/c I thought the music was off), but this is censorship, pure and simple, and I absolutely expected it from ABC, whether it was from the sponsors or the station’s producers or both. Anyone hear all of Ryan’s interview? Missed most of it. Hope MJ can post it later.

Could NOT agree more with this:

Shame on you, ABC. Bravo CBS.

#ShameOnYouABC is trending #2, Adam Lambert # 3and I think it counts this time.

R/L insists on my participation. So laterz.

I’ve heard about this before, with shows with provocative content.

The righteous Parents Council pressures networks to withdraw programming by getting sponsors to cancel their commintments.

Absolutely repulsive.

Bottom line: Adam will be fine, and he will be singing on American National TV tomorrow. His team is really effective, and they have resources.

Adam will be fine, this is just a bump in the road, that was never going to be easy.

@KrisAllen: Congrats @adamlambert on the new album! Everyone go get it. YESSSSSSS!
half a minute ago from

Love Kris and Adam. Way to show support for your friend, Kris – great timing.

Adam performace was so hot it broke my DVR. No literally..it broke my DVR. When I woke up yesterday (I had left the AMA’s on replay overnight), my box announced a “unretrievable write error” and was only showing Carrie singing Cowboy Cassenova over and over. It was CRAZY! I called Brighthouse today and they said they had other problems like this AMA related. WTF? Did this happen to anyone else? You gotta admit… it’s pretty funny though.

Zsus, Adam pretty much took the same attitude as your son this morning on the Elvis Duran show.

I posted a link to the interview a page or so back. Waiting for parts 2 and 3 to come up on You Tube

Sorry, unless the mouth was open and the tongue was out it’s not a simulated blow job, to me. It’s a dance move, . No worse than what 3 female singers did before him in their routines.

Well that makes all the difference in the world.

BTW – Adam’s albums are at #4 and #8 in itunes right now. That is up from yesterday.

I’m a tad confused….didn’t the last award get presented prior to Adam’s performance? Anyone with a single light bulb in their head would have just hit the off button on their remote 30 seconds into Adam’s performance.

That is what I think is so FUNNY. If anything Adam did offended me I would have turned the fuckin’ TV off…especially if I had children in the room. But heaven forbid, people watched the whole thing including the finger and then decided to complain about it. C’mn, if I was a parent watching with young kids the show would have been turned off the minute Emenem (would someone show me how to spell that) turned up on my screen. Unless you are living under a rock everyone knows that he is totally X rated. And for ABC to have him perform and then bleep over 50% of the song is just bizarre.

Ratings…ratings…ratings….I think ABC and the AMAs prostituted themselves over and over again Sunday night and now the network is using Adam as a scapegoat because a couple of right wingers have complained. A perfect example of big corporations “using” anyone and anything to get ratings.

But here’s the thing ‘” Nobody *ever* gets over this reaction is they *don’t* see this. And see it repeatedly. And if you’re all busy being polite about not putting it out into the public until the public is ready, the public will *never* get used to it, and will *never* be ready ‘ ¦.

I can’t believe I have to preface this by stating that ‘I am not a prude,’  but I don’t want to see simulated blow jobs on my TV, repeatedly. Are you suggesting I have to get used to watching that? For what purpose?

No. I honestly don’t think that most of the programs that have simulated sex today actually should have it, because I don’t think that’s appropriate entertainment for kids. However, in that I include *all* the simulated sex, including the tons and tons and tons and tons of it that’s performed by female singers.

However, I do think that you should have to see real-life gay people (and gay people in dramas and such) doing every bit as much PDAing and sexing it and affectionateing it up on the street and in restaurants and in our homes,etc., as we see heterosexual people doing. (now I know that in some cities you do see this — but in many places you don’t.)…. I will guarantee you that virtually nobody will spontaneously give a nod of approval for having gay PDAs go mainstream in the public for all to see unless they’re simply forced to accept it. … You can’t wait until people are “ready.” You just have to allow it, hope that gay people run with it, offer them protection when the hate-crimers go after them for their public kisses, adn wait out the public’s gradual move from shock to boredom with it. And then you’ll have tolerance. You won’t get tolerance by saying: “Be tolerant! But we’ll wait to show you anything that might shock you until you *are* tolerant!” …. won’t work.

And, in short, I think that whatever is okay with people to have *on* tv should be just as ok when it’s done homosexually as it is when it’s done heterosexually. I, for one, see tons and tons and tons of simulated sex — by heterosexual women, mostly — all over tv, especially in music performances. I don’t particularly like it and I don’t think it’s appropriate in many of the places I see it because it’s put out there in shows that kids are very likely to watch …. But my principle is: If the public is fine with simulated hetero sex by girls, then it’s a requirement that they be equally fine with simulated homo sex by men.

A “train wreck”. The media makes it one.

And based on what? his album isn’t anything revolutionary. It’s pop music’ ¦

And it isn’t selling well enough to his pissy attitude and some of the antics.

So yeah, I want Adam to get a frackin’ CLUE! and just concentrate on making pretty music and not be so effin’ defensive!

I mean, do you want your straight friends making out in front of you?

Sure! Why not?

BTW ‘“ Adam’s albums are at #4 and #8 in itunes right now. That is up from yesterday.

Is this pop albums or all albums?

Nobody could have missed that voice but for the:

Walking half naked people dressed in leather harnesses around on leashes, sticking your hand up a female dancer’s crotch, the humping of dancers of both genders, various groping of dancers of both genders, the lyrics of the song itself, and oh yeah’ ¦ his incredible voice. That sounds like it could have done the job.

It certainly distracted from his voice.

Oh yeah looks like Adam’s career is over. Hmmm I guess the Early Show didn’t know that when they booked Adam. I never watched GMA anyway, and only tivoed the show when Adam was on, so never was a fan and don’t ever expect to be a fan. What a rigid show. Maybe they need to have a little more sex.

And it isn’t selling well enough to his pissy attitude and some of the antics.

And you know this how? Let’s wait until we see some numbers before we say what is or is not selling. I’ve heard that Adam might sell 150,000 this week. Thats not breaking any numbers but its the best anyone this season has done so far, and not a bad start for someone so new.

This is pretty funny. It would be even funnier if he does the same performance on The Early Show as on the AMA – blow job and all.

He must be loving all the attention

“Hm, Dick Clark Productions, they also produce the New Year’s Eve Broadcast on ABC. Probably wouldn’t be too wise of fans to assault ABC with hate calls and the like’ ¦who knows, performers can change for that show, too.” — Sasha B

Exactly! In the end I only see one loser with this assault. Dick Clark is old and richer than god. He’s seen performers come and go. He can get anyone to do his show, they’d probably pay him for the gig. Adam Lambert may be god to some of you, but let’s get real.

Which album is #4? The deluxe or the other one?

A perfect example of big corporations ‘using’  anyone and anything to get ratings.

I look at it more as Adam was privileged to get that opportunity but blew it. ( literally )

I do say Sunday may have been a bit of a misstep but one he will survive. As long as he focuses on the music from here on out or at least till he is little more established.

Cleo, you make a very very good point. The problem here is that Adam doesn’t seem to think he’s a new artist who still needs to learn how to navigate his way around the business. On Idol, they have their own censorship program of what Adam can and cannot do on TV. Now that he’s free from the “shackles of Idol”, he seems to think that just because everyone in the media is bowing down and kissing his feet, that he can get away with whatever he wants. Yes, he wants to be edgy and controversial and have the artistic freedom of speech. Well, there’s a fine line between edgy and controversial and downright offensive. Lady Gaga may be weird and creepy but I don’t think her performance was offensive. I didn’t like that simulation of bleeding to death she did at the VMAs but at least she knows that there is a time and a place to pull off her weird stunts.

And did he really think he would get away with it on ABC — of all channels!! — which is owned by Disney???? Disney!!! He should have waited to do this crazy stuff until he was asked to perform for the VMAs but not on regular programming and certainly not on his first time out.

I can’t believe people are actually accusing GMA and ABC of homophobia when they’re just looking out for themselves, like any good corporation that has to answer to shareholders would do. So what if they don’t want to lose sponsorship? That’s their prerogative. That sponsorship is what keeps them around. I guess they figured it’s better to lose Adam Lambert fans than the sponsors who help pay their paychecks.

GMA gave him a slot for an actual mini-concert, not just the one or two songs that most of their musical guests get. This is a major lost opportunity for Adam and it’s nobody’s fault but his own.

I blame his management team. I mean this is who Adam is. He is a product of theatre, and the gay scene. This is what he knows, and I am sure had no idea of the consequences he(along with his fans, family, friends, label and management team) would suffer. I hope he learns, and gets to prove he is a serious artist. If he really is a serious artist.

I also blame his management team. The problem here is that RCA has given Adam too much carte blanche to “manage his image” and it’s backfiring on them. His album was #7 yesterday on iTunes but I suspect that’s mostly from pre-orders from his fans. I highly doubt anyone saw that performance and rushed out to buy his CD if they didn’t already have it. And his single isn’t doing well on radio either so they scrapped it for a new song to perform on Letterman under the guise of “showing another side of Adam”. Puhleeze. RCA is throwing anything against the wall and hoping it will stick. If he doesn’t get radio play, he’s not gonna sell many more albums beyond what he already has.

With as much press as Adam is getting, RCA is really doing a crappy job of managing him. And if Adam is telling the truth about the label giving him free reign, then this is Adam doing a crappy job of managing himself.

That is what I think is so FUNNY. If anything Adam did offended me I would have turned the fuckin’ TV off’ ¦especially if I had children in the room. But heaven forbid, people watched the whole thing including the finger and then decided to complain about it. C’mn, if I was a parent watching with young kids the show would have been turned off the minute Emenem (would someone show me how to spell that) turned up on my screen. Unless you are living under a rock everyone knows that he is totally X rated. And for ABC to have him perform and then bleep over 50% of the song is just bizarre.

Okay, but broadcast doesn’t work that way. Everyone knows that you can’t do certain stuff on broadcast.

and it’s Eminem. i not e. “em” “in” “em” M&M, Marshall Mathers…

Is this pop albums or all albums?

6 and 9 regular.

Are you that offended by kissing?

I’m not offended by any of it. I just found the whole routine pretty pointless. But, I must admit, I would not want to see blow jobs “pop up” — pardon the pun — without warning just so we can get used to seeing them on broadcast television. There’s something called, an appropriate place and time. Cable. Late night. Pay per view. You name it. In those places, you can be more risque.

I couldn’t care less about the so-called kissing which looked more like Adam was trying to rip the guy’s face off with his teeth.

‘There’s a feeling of entitlement [with the fans] because they voted to get us where we are. But you know what? I am responsible for what I created on the show ‘” you voted for what I created, and thank you, but I created it, you didn’t.’ 

Where did he say this? What’s the source? Makes me a bit disgusted if true.

don’t want straight people going at it in front of me either.. I mean, do you want your straight friends making out in front of you?

Well put. As aI’ve said before, he can kiss who he wants and sleep with who he wants put I really don’t want to see it.

Adam Lamber may be god to some of you, but let’s get real.

Someone tell Kara that.

That is true Tess he was the very. last. thing. No awards after. AMAs put him there for a reason. And they advertised at every break that Adam’s set would be something you had to “see to believe,” “SHOCKING!” I would guess that the kiss is the only thing they were unaware of. And, yes, it did look spontaneous.

I didn’t like the performance—mostly because the singing was off and it was poorly executed. But the uproar over it two days later, to the point that GMA actually canceled him is unbelievable. It was an adult show, period. Anyone who bothered to watch could see that.

I think they had to do something in response to the 1500 complaints. That is probably what it came down to.

And I’m sure GMA’s sponsors noticed too.

The deluxe is 6 overall and 4 on the pop and he’s #4 on Amazon.

And it isn’t selling well enough to his pissy attitude and some of the antics.

So yeah, I want Adam to get a frackin’ CLUE! and just concentrate on making pretty music and not be so effin’ defensive!

Adam is becoming his own worst enemy. Which is unfortunate because we all know he has the ability to be very charismatic and sweet. Bring that side back, Adam. as you say, entitlement aint sexy.

unique28v
11/24/2009 at 1:22 pm
BTW ‘“ Adam’s albums are at #4 and #8 in itunes right now. That is up from yesterday.

Is this pop albums or all albums?
If you click on Music under iTunes preview it gives top albums(overall) and songs. The albums are at 4 & 6. Several siingles from his album are on the Pop chart and moving up incuding “Sleepwalker” and “Soaked”. Seems like the music selling well.
http://www.apple.com/itunes/

The funniest comment about the AMA was Jimmy Fallon who supposedly said ABC was hoping Kanye WOULD interrupt the performance.

Some of the stuff does create buzz/publcity. That helps but in the end, it’s better to be known for the music. Otherwise you end up confusing people with all the antics.

Current ranking for Adam’s album are #6 (deluxe) and #10 overall. So it’s going down not up.

Well, the album keeps dropping. Now from #9 to #10. Maybe eventually this will help sales, but not happening yet.

Which album is #4? The deluxe or the other one?

They have to be looking at Pop. It’s #6 and #10

Only the regular album dropped one spot- the deluxe is still staying strong, much to chagrin of some, i am sure.

Except that yesterday they noted that 1500 complaints is nothing, and that they only count it a pr disaster when they get 15,000 or 20,000 complaints.

My vote is that it’s *who* is complaining. And my guess is that it’s someone who has already been on Disney’s ass about their pro-gay corporate attitudes.

Yup!! 1500 is nothing out of 15 million people.

And I’m sure GMA’s sponsors noticed too.

I wonder who CBS’s sponsors are that they don’t care because they booked Adam pretty quickly after this fallout.

showbiz tonight said that CBS confirmed that Adam is going to talk about his perfromance before he performs tomorrow. I have a feeling CBS might have some higher ratings tomorrow morning. lol

Adam on Seacrest:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/bupq0f

He did not play the victim card at all.

Well, the album keeps dropping. Now from #9 to #10. Maybe eventually this will help sales, but not happening yet.

The Deluxe is holding steady at #6. Therefore, it’s still getting solid sales. It doesn’t “keep dropping,” Leome. Although, I would have expected a drop today.

#6 and #9 in general iTunes.

Shock! Horror! It’s in freefall….

‘There’s a feeling of entitlement [with the fans] because they voted to get us where we are. But you know what? I am responsible for what I created on the show ‘” you voted for what I created, and thank you, but I created it, you didn’t.’ 

Where did he say this? What’s the source? Makes me a bit disgusted if true.

It was in Details Magazine.

Rickey has it, so you can read the quote yourself.

http://www.rickey.org/?p=25036

Someone way upthread mentioned the possibility of GaGa getting miffed that Adam is stealing her thunder…I can’t find it now amongst all these posts!

But I wanted to reply and say that first of all, I doubt GaGa is going to get miffed by the likes of Adam.

Also, she’s selling more albums than he is. And, she’s a better performer. I doubt she’s concerned at all.

People are all concerned about the content of Adam’s performance…whatever. It was a poorly executed performance, all of the “risque” stuff aside.

I wonder who CBS’s sponsors are that they don’t care because they booked Adam pretty quickly after this fallout.

But, CBS can be assured that Adam will act like he has some sense, too. It would be career suicide for a new artist, in Adam’s position to go on CBS and act like he owns the world, and that everyone answers to him.

Besides that, CBS morning news needs the publicity. They will probably milk this for all it’s worth.

Ego has destroyed greater talents than Adam. He needs to reign in his.

On the show, I thought he was an interesting personality and a crazy talented vocalist. Now? I see a self-absorbed poseur ‘” and a whiny one at that. He fans are smelly, Gene Simmons can’t sing, people are trying to put him in a box, ABC is a bunch of meany prudes with a sucky sound-system. Grow up Adam and focus on the music.

His 15 minutes can’t end fast enough for me.

I’m with you. The funny thing is, some really passionate Adam fans I know who kept trying to proselytize me during the season are now in the same place.

So, you know, lotsa press, which Adam seems to eat up with a spoon. But also turning off people who I would’ve said would definitely buy the cd at the end of AI. And they’re abandoning him because they were grossed out by the AMAs, plus they didn’t like the song, which seems to be the biggest insult of all.

Btw, I hatedhatedhated it when Derek Hough kept bobbing his partner (the slutty blonde Playboy model) in the general neighborhood of his crotch during a dance. I thought that was too sleazy for network TV, and it he really had smashed her face into his dick (even through clothing) I think the outrage would’ve been a lot higher. There’s lots of boy-on-boy kissing all over “Brothers and Sisters” and the daytime soaps, and nobody seems to care. (In fact, the only controversy I’ve heard is that the viewers want more.) But I’ve never seen anybody male or female with their face ground into somebody else’s crotch as a sexual move. I remember when it was implied that Buffy had just given Spike a blow job (although we certainly didn’t see her face in his crotch or anything even close) and a gay male friend of mine was all, wow, I think that’s the first implied blow job I’ve ever seen in prime-time TV. I couldn’t think of one, either. And remember — Buffy was a very mature show with, as somebody said, warnings out the yingyang. And, still, even the implication that these (heterosexual, if you think vampires and vampire slayers have the same gender issues and definitions as everybody else) characters had just finished up oral sex was shocking and created controversy.

It is certainly a legitimate opinion to think that that level of sexual content — especially since violence and S&M were part of the equation — is offensive. Performers include that kind of stuff to be provocative and shocking, to push the edge of the envelope. If sometimes the envelope pushes back, well, isn’t that all part of the shock and awe of being a fame ho?

Oh lord. Really not looking forward to Adam’s cries of discrimination! close-mindedness! Risk-taking, ever heard of it????

Actually, allison, minutes ago on Ryan Seacrest radio show, Adam was his usual polite, chipper self, once again saying it was no big deal and that he does not hold a grudge against ABC. They have to do what they have to do, he said.
It’s us fans who are crying discrimination and closed-mindedness. I myself just think the GMA folks are idiots. I mean, cancel the talk of the town? Ridiculous.

It doesn’t ‘keep dropping,’  Leome.

LOL I’m sorry? If it was #8, then #9 and now #10… what is that, going up? The two albums sales will be put together, so if one is going down and the other one is not going up, overall, it’s all going down.

This is the show that recently had 50 Cent on. A guy who sings about thuggery, violence, and using woman to get off on. So, they’re not prudes. Just selective about which type of sex they want to use to sell their airtime.

JoelMadden: I’m kissing another dude the next time i’m on tv. #ShameOnYouABC

Convince me that a spontaneous heterosexual kiss, or even female on female would get this reaction, and the I’ll be convinced there’s no homophobia involved.

The public conversation is good. But ABC should look at their own footage from his summer performances there to get an idea of the whole guy. Sheesh.

But then, I heard that J Lo’s fall was also cut from the west coast feed. Maybe they’ll decline to book her in case she slips too early in the morning. That, at least, would be consistent.

Well ABC isn’t the only place that’s boycotting Adam. My Super Walmart is not carrying his CD.

One more thing: Those folks who are judging For Your Entertainment based solely on the performance have it wrong, IMHO. The song is great, sexy, fun on the CD, and I love the rest of the CD as well.

All this talk about GMA cancelling Adam brings to mind this little occurrence on the Today Show
(warning men kissing!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYt6RklOFQk

It was recreated later for the Will and Grace TV sitcom.If I am remembering it correctly Al Roker said at the time of the Will and Grace episode that it was the first homosexual kiss on network TV. On a morning show!

His album was #7 yesterday on iTunes but I suspect that’s mostly from pre-orders from his fans.

It probably is. The pre-orders kicked in first thing. We won’t really know until the week goes on and we see how well he holds his position compared to others who released the same day. HDD estimates should give us some clue too.

He did not play the victim card at all.

Thank god. Step in the right direction. He needs to reel it back in, take the high road, and sing well IMO. Keep talking about the music. He’s on his way to being a Vh1 reality show type celbrity if he doesn’t get back on message.

Adam on Seacrest:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/bupq0f

He did not play the victim card at all.

I respect Adam for that. He normally doesn’t. He in anapologicly himself and I love that. Even when his choices are questionnable.

Lady Gaga may be weird and creepy but I don’t think her performance was offensive. I didn’t like that simulation of bleeding to death she did at the VMAs but at least she knows that there is a time and a place to pull off her weird stunts.

THIS. There’s a time and place for everything. If he had been on the VMAs, Adam could have humped and groped whoever he wanted and I wouldn’t think twice about it. But you have to know your audience and medium.

I guess it doesn’t matter if this ‘all publicity is good publicity’ world, though. *shrugs*

lucy
11/24/2009 at 1:12 pm
think they had to do something in response to the 1500 complaints. That is probably what it came down to.

Except that yesterday they noted that 1500 complaints is nothing, and that they only count it a pr disaster when they get 15,000 or 20,000 complaints.

My vote is that it’s *who* is complaining. And my guess is that it’s someone who has already been on Disney’s ass about their pro-gay corporate attitudes.

Agree with this.

Also, why all this writing that Adam is acting entitled? If anything, he is being too nice in these post GMA-gate interviews.

Well, I knew when I saw the performance there would be trouble. But cancelling him because they aren’t sure what he’s going to do is bullshit.

My sense is Adam bought into the hype. Problem is, a great deal of people watching the show were like, “Adam who?” And then came the peformance. And it all felt like some noname giving them the finger–and based on what? Britney or Gaga do something outrageous and people shrug because they have a proven track record of success. All idols come off the show going uphill to some degree because of industry and non idol audience stigmas. You can call it whatever you want to call it, brave, artistic expression, crude, vulgar. I call it dumb and egotistical.

Are you joking googletot? They are boycotting a CD that has nothing explicit on it? OK, I am not getting that all. Help?

On the show, I thought he was an interesting personality and a crazy talented vocalist. Now? I see a self-absorbed poseur ‘” and a whiny one at that. He fans are smelly, Gene Simmons can’t sing, people are trying to put him in a box, ABC is a bunch of meany prudes with a sucky sound-system. Grow up Adam and focus on the music.

His 15 minutes can’t end fast enough for me.

I’ve thought this since the show and the judges fawning over him made it worse. Despite that at the time I was willing to give him a chance as he was #3 on my list (Kris and Allison were my #1 and #2 respectively). Since the show I’ve just had it with him and his need for drama and publicity the past few days has put me over him completely. Also, FYE was just not a good song and didn’t have a hook to be released as a first single.

I’m thinking he’ll start getting more radio play for both his singles on Top40 radio in protest of the censorship, plus that addition commentary by the DJs to go along with the additional spins. It’s so genius, it makes me wonder if it was planned all along.

Really? How massive a leap, do you think? He got 0 adds on Top 40 this week for FYE and 1 Top 40 add for WWFM. So if he doubled his market in a week–which would be pretty dramatic! that would equal 2 adds for WWFM and still . . . 0 for FYE.

Because radio is so idealistic, and known for playing pop dance tunes in protest of people being turned off by some dude who touched himself on the air.

Actually, allison, minutes ago on Ryan Seacrest radio show, Adam was his usual polite, chipper self, once again saying it was no big deal and that he does not hold a grudge against ABC. They have to do what they have to do, he said.
It’s us fans who are crying discrimination and closed-mindedness. I myself just think the GMA folks are idiots. I mean, cancel the talk of the town? Ridiculous.

Is that so, ravvengirl. I guess he was coached well. But his original stance was discrimination!

LOL I’m sorry? If it was #8, then #9 and now #10′ ¦

The Deluxe has been sitting at #6 for 24 hours. It’s not dropping.

Convince me that a spontaneous heterosexual kiss, or even female on female would get this reaction, and the I’ll be convinced there’s no homophobia involved.

Yep.

“I’m kissing another guy next time I’m on tv” – Joel Madden tweet, lol

googletot
11/24/2009 at 1:36 pm
Well ABC isn’t the only place that’s boycotting Adam. My Super Walmart is not carrying his CD.

Are you serious? This is beyond ridiculous. People who want the CD will just get it somewhere else.

One more thing: Those folks who are judging For Your Entertainment based solely on the performance have it wrong, IMHO. The song is great, sexy, fun on the CD, and I love the rest of the CD as well.

And that’s the saddest part of it all. Like it or not, some people will base their perception of Adam strictly on his AMA performance and will never give his CD a fair chance.

But his original stance was discrimination!

He would be correct.

Uhh, I am more shocked over some of the lyrics Eminem apparently sang…

googletot
11/24/2009 at 1:36 pm
Well ABC isn’t the only place that’s boycotting Adam. My Super Walmart is not carrying his CD.

Are you serious? This is beyond ridiculous. People who want the CD will just get it somewhere else.

Exactly, aa618892. I can’t believe how rigid the US is.

BTW, if Adam’s itunes ranking is freefalling, what do call Kris’s? Nosedive?

saga
11/24/2009 at 1:43 pm
Uhh, I am more shocked over some of the lyrics Eminem apparently sang’ ¦

Yeah, he sang about having 17 rapes under his or something like that. But he is straight and an established artist so it is OK.

Well, I knew when I saw the performance there would be trouble. But cancelling him because they aren’t sure what he’s going to do is bullshit

Sorry, I disagree. According to Adam, he did some of that stuff spur of the moment on live TV. So GMA was right to worry about him on a live concert.

I’m going to laugh my ass off if he does the same performance on The Early Show as he did on the AMA. Blow job and all.

I’m not offended by any of it. I just found the whole routine pretty pointless. But, I must admit, I would not want to see blow jobs ‘pop up’  ‘” pardon the pun ‘” without warning just so we can get used to seeing them on broadcast television. There’s something called, an appropriate place and time. Cable. Late night. Pay per view. You name it. In those places, you can be more risque.

Adam’s part was late in the evening around 11pm. So it does qualifies for “late night”. By virtue of what you stated, one can do risque. Then Adam didn’t violate anything. Oh yeah…it is the boy kissing a boy. LMAO! And people keep forgetting that he is gay.

Well ABC isn’t the only place that’s boycotting Adam. My Super Walmart is not carrying his CD.

Are you sure that’s boycott? It may just be on back order or something. My school didn’t have the new the Killers album when it came out, and i know it’s just my college, but still. Of course, the guy did think I said “the killer bees” instead of the “the killers cd” but I’m sure that has little to do with it.

But his original stance was discrimination!

He would be correct.

And well, technically, it would be discrimination. And they have, you know, a right, to “discriminate” what goes on their network. I should have been clear, discrimination against gays.

Is that so, ravvengirl. I guess he was coached well. But his original stance was discrimination

You know that discrimination quote that everyone is using for Adam is a direct response to an interview question where the interviewer used the word discrimination first. He was simply rephrasing the question with his answer.
But I do agree. He is being discriminated against because of his sexuality. There are too many examples of hetero performers doing close to the same thing or worse, and no actions are taken.

sr4mjc
11/24/2009 at 1:41 pm
‘I’m kissing another guy next time I’m on tv’  ‘“ Joel Madden tweet, lol

LMAO!!

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googletot
11/24/2009 at 1:36 pm
Well ABC isn’t the only place that’s boycotting Adam. My Super Walmart is not carrying his CD.

Really? Did someone that works there actually tell you this??

BTW, if Adam’s itunes ranking is freefalling, what do call Kris’s? Nosedive?

We have already established this yesterday. It’s a slow grower

One more thing: Those folks who are judging For Your Entertainment based solely on the performance have it wrong, IMHO. The song is great, sexy, fun on the CD, and I love the rest of the CD as well.

The CD is great. The single? Not so much, imo. If it wasn’t for the performance people wouldn’t be talking about this generic boring song.
Start performing WWFM!

Really? How massive a leap, do you think? He got 0 adds on Top 40 this week for FYE and 1 Top 40 add for WWFM. So if he doubled his market in a week’“which would be pretty dramatic! that would equal 2 adds for WWFM and still . . . 0 for FYE.

Exactly and going back to this for weeks now, this is just the latest and stupidest by Adam chapter, in publicizing Adam for whatever reason, and not his music. He had a chance to sell his MUSIC on the AMAs, and instead decided to do an act that was unnecessarily OTT and his vocals were sloppy. If he had concentrated more on his vocals, and less on being so effin’ “shocking!” he would have been better served on both counts. Not turning people off AND getting an actual audience for his MUSIC.

As it stands he is creating more problems than helping himself in terms of selling his actual MUSIC, not him as some controversial figure. He hasn’t sold enough or has enough juice to do that. Yes, Janet grabbed a guy’s crotch, yes Eminen mentioned 17 rapes under Slim Shady’s belt, but as icky as the last one is to me especially, they’re established, successful stars. Money talks, as they say.

Finland: #1 pop chart, #2 general chart
Denmark: #11 pop chart, #19 general chart
Sweden: #7 pop chart, #9 general chart
Norway: #26 pop chart, #79 general chart

Other European countries:

UK: #19 pop chart, #36 general chart
France: #36 pop chart, #100 general chart
Portugal: #3 pop chart, #6 general chart (both at #2 earlier)
Holland: #40 pop chart, #71 general chart
Ireland: #127 general chart

Rest of world:
U.S.? 4 or 8 idk but it’s top 10
New Zealand: #2 pop chart, #3 general chart
Canada:#4 pop chart, #6 general chart
Mexico: #8 pop, #15 general

In Canada, these are the # for the deluxe album. The regular album is right behind at #5 pop and #10 in general chart

GO ADAM!!! I think this is pretty awsome!!!
this information was copied off reliable site ( in regard to world sales except the U.S. info-that’s mine) Indeed Adam will be/is a World Idol
please verify this exiting news!!thanx.
and I’m thrilled for Adam!!!

Well ABC isn’t the only place that’s boycotting Adam. My Super Walmart is not carrying his CD.

I’m not sure this is true since Walmart still has his CD on their online website.

Adam’s part was late in the evening around 11pm. So it does qualifies for ‘late night’ . By virtue of what you stated, one can do risque. Then Adam didn’t violate anything. Oh yeah’ ¦it is the boy kissing a boy. LMAO! And people keep forgetting that he is gay.

Well, for some people, it was 10pm. But no, again, broadcast doesn’t work that way. Cable does, because you “get what you pay for.” Broadcast is free, therefore, open to everyone, therefore, accessible to children. So is cable, yes, but you pay for it. And that’s just how it is..

I just checked on Itunes and FYE is sitting at 4 and 6

Right now, Adam is NOT being all “righteous indignation” over the GMA cancellation. Looks to me like he is letting them slap him on the hand and is not burning any bridges.

I’m amazed that they would think to cancel Adam based on this one performance, considering it’s nothing outside of what I’ve seen a million times on TV from many other musicians – even girl on girl kissing. Also, I wonder if they would have cancelled a performance by, say, Chris Brown after he smacked Rihanna around. I do think that too much hype/focus was placed on Adam, putting him into a nerve-wracking precarious position to begin with (hence maybe his tripping & the not-so-perfect vocals). But the dancing or sexual imagery is nothing I haven’t seen for 20 years.

guess Adam’s band members are not being as magnanimous as Adam is:

@TommyJoeRatliff Boycott GMA #ShameOnYouABC Adam Lambert would have brought you a large audience. U lose, CBS Early show wins. Watch 2morrow

BTW, if Adam’s itunes ranking is freefalling, what do call Kris’s? Nosedive?

We have already established this yesterday. It’s a slow grower

This isn’t to discuss Kris’s sales, and at least Kris had a one good week of them. And I want the best for both guys in terms of their sales. Not everyone has to feel that way at all, I’m just expressing my view.

googletot
11/24/2009 at 1:36 pm
Well ABC isn’t the only place that’s boycotting Adam. My Super Walmart is not carrying his CD.

My Walmart is carrying it, and I live in the “Bible belt”.

And they have, you know, a right, to ‘discriminate’  what goes on their network.

And they have chosen to discriminate against gay performers who incorporate gay sexuality into their routines.

I just checked on Itunes and FYE is sitting at 4 and 6

Yup. Its holding steady. I would rather be in a steady position then be real high on a chart and fall real quick. As he continues to perform this week and of course Black Friday, hopefully his sales will go up even more.

I’ve so many thoughts right now

sharing my tweet

#GMAFail #ShameOnYouABC #NewSupporterOfCBS #AdamLambert

Haven’t read all the posts but have to weigh in on the GMA cancellation. It’s blatant homophobia (given the only incidents cited are male/male) and deeply insulting to Adam on a personal level, in effect saying “we don’t trust you” (apparently to give us a G-rated concert). ABC certainly changed their tune from Sunday evening when they hyped and teased at every commercial break Adam’s upcoming performance – the one you’ll be talking about tomorrow, etc. etc. Hypocritical doesn’t even come close.

As someone who was at the Awards show on Sunday, and who had NO problem with any of the non-musical content of Adam’ performance, I have to say that Adam was incredible. He was a bit pitchy and the music was way too loud (for all acts, not just him) which might have been part of the pitch problem, but his performance live was amazing. Watching various vids of the show on YouTube and on TV was nothing like seeing it live – he had such energy and everyone in the theatre was standing up throughout and really into it – scandalized or not.

Here are a few observations related to things I did read in a few posts above – I was so disgusted to discover the male bj had been edited out when I watched my West Coast TiVo’d recording. The segment was interesting because Adam first had the male bj simulation, which he seemed into, then had the brief female bj interaction where he pushed her away. While that spoke to perhaps his “almost bi-curiosity” or more of a “look but don’t touch” scenario, with the male segment excised his actions toward the woman appeared misogynistic because they were in relation to nothing.

And, regarding the “hand in the crotch” sequence – what they didn’t show on TV was that the female dancer’s costume had straps and huge buckles all over it, two in the crotch area. After groping her leg, Adam reached up and tugged on the buckles – he did not grope her or snap her leotard. He seemed reassured that the buckles were securely fastened. “I’m not allowed in there”, “I don’t want to go in there”, “that’s closed to me”, “I’m not ready for that”, whatever.

The entire piece was performance art – meant to provoke and stimulate and foster controversy, interpretation, etc. If it’s OTT then it’s OTT, that’s Adam to me and I hope he never changes.

In this day and age ABC has done the unthinkable and censored artistic expression before it’s even happened. Shame. Shame. Shame.

I just checked on Itunes and FYE is sitting at 4 and 6

Yup. Its holding steady. I would rather be in a steady position then be real high on a chart and fall real quick. As he continues to perform this week and of course Black Friday, hopefully his sales will go up even more.

YAY!!!

If anything, he is being too nice in these post GMA-gate interviews.

That’s right! Why isn’t he giving *everybody* the finger, like he did on that show, where the awful, stodgy, people gave him the massive national showcase, like the bigots they are!

Why doesn’t everyone just get Adam’s position is that if he wants to touch himself or simulate sex on camera when he feels like it, it’s Art! After all, the ladies on the Idol tour liked it. And if you don’t like it, you’re a phobey mean homophobe censor person.

Whatevs, kid. There have been rappers and rockers with a similar attitude before, but they didn’t book themselves on the morning coffee shows.

He’ll behave himself tomorrow morning, doubtless, then do it all again the next big platform he gets.

Adam is set to debut around where last year’s runner up David Archuleta did (only without Archie’s platinum selling single and big airplay). And with this week’s airplay, he ain’t breaking Top 40 before Christmas.

So without controversy, he’s not news.

Since 19E and RCA have spent about ten times the money and resources on Adam then what they have on any previous contestant –and they’re losing money at every copy they sell on Amazon for $3–it’s going to be a long road to till any one sees any money on this project.

I don’t think Walmart is stupid enough to boycott a CD. Even though they think they are the Retail God of the planet…they “could” be in a world of hurt if the industry found out they were boycotting a CD because of sexual conotations.

Now I know some bix box retailers will not carry CDs with explicit lyrics and that is well and good….but to pick and choose for other “reasons” is a bit insane. Sony music is pretty big and I don’t think WalMart would want to pick a fight with them. Guess, I’ll call my WalMart and see if the CD is available here in one of the ultra conservative meccas of the US.

Rhianna has a morally reprehensible, appalling song about wanting to make sure she proves herself – “pass this test” – to a guy who wants her to risk blowing her brains out.

Where’s the Family Council protest?

Everyone outraged by Adam’s blow job simulation was strangely silent to ABC this morning about Rhianna promoting games of suicide. Guess the NRA supports Russian Roulette? Any use of a hand gun is a good use?

Now I make not personally like simulated blow jobs as choreography, and I may personally prefer Elvis to Emo hair, but I don’t get to control Adam’s creative choices, or the airwaves. (Alas) But for some reason, a narrow, bigoted group does? When there was ZERO risk that Adam would have done anything inappropriate for the time slot.

This is double standards. The hate groups want to target Adam. They see a media juggernaut and they want to use it for their own purposes. Sure feels like an anti-gay thing. And what I don’t understand is why ABC did this. Don’t see any advertiser threatening pullout that they couldn’t have replaced immediately.

Except that yesterday they noted that 1500 complaints is nothing, and that they only count it a pr disaster when they get 15,000 or 20,000 complaints.

No they didn’t. They said it was a “moderate” amount. And moderate is between nothing and a shit ton. So, I think in their minds…it is an appropriate response to a moderate number of complaints.

I just checked on Itunes and FYE is sitting at 4 and 6

You’re looking at the pop feed. The real rankings are #6 and #10.

I plan to switch to CBS now

can’t stand that the Moral Majority still pulls the strings on SOME of our media. Makes me wonder how ABC’s attitudes color all the other stuff that they produce….news perhaps? reporting perhaps? interviews perhaps?
websites perhaps?

I want unbiased media……if you are going to BE biased,….state that you are … so I know if I want to subscribe to you

their official statement is a load of crap btw, as they have seen him perform other types of songs…and they KNEW he wasn’t performing the same song he did at the AMA’s

international media will have a good time with this one

and Adam’s name will be louder than ever………..esp if we keep tweets up

Are you joking googletot? They are boycotting a CD that has nothing explicit on it? OK, I am not getting that all. Help?

Well, they’re not *exactly* boycotting it. Walmart is selling the cd online and, as they put it, “at selected stores.” In other words, they are avoiding the stores where they figure the gay thing would raise some local hackles — probably some local hackles that they’re already aware of.

I suspect the same issue is going on with Disney. They’ve got a lot of flack over pro-gay actions in the past, and I would bet that somebody who’s been on them about it before complained about this, and it;s because this would be one more thing in their long-term gay-issues battle that they freaked out. …

Because, seriously, Miley — age 16 and the star of what is *literally* a kiddie show, humps a pole, and that is just fine and dandy?… Plus a ton of other sexual things that have come out of Disney over the past several years. … But I’ll bet they don’t get anywhere close to the flack from that that they get over the gay stuff, based on what I’ve heard.

“I’ve thought this since the show and the judges fawning over him made it worse. Despite that at the time I was willing to give him a chance as he was #3 on my list (Kris and Allison were my #1 and #2 respectively). Since the show I’ve just had it with him and his need for drama and publicity the past few days has put me over him completely. Also, FYE was just not a good song and didn’t have a hook to be released as a first single.”

LMAO!!! Are we listening to the same FYE album? Maybe not. Coz i find it fantastic. Can’t stop listening to it. Never knew that there were two FYE album.

This isn’t to discuss Kris’s sales, and at least Kris had a one good week of them. And I want the best for both guys in terms of their sales. Not everyone has to feel that way at all, I’m just expressing my view.

It is the cd we have to compare to from the idol group this year. Comparisons will be made. And KA did drop fast after 3:00 the first day it was released.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=1005459

Looks like it is available on their website.

Great post Trillian! The live version is always so much better. Thanks for the clarifications.

A review of the AMA performance by someone that was there:

http://gossipcandy.com/2009/11/lauras-ama-review/

And they have chosen to discriminate against gay performers who incorporate gay sexuality into their routines.

It’s the acts themselves. They just happened to be between two males.

that kind of behavior on broadcast is never acceptable. It was probably a combination of ALL of the lewd things Adam did. Not just one particular act. Plus, Adam apparently can’t control himself cause “it was all in the moment.” and in general, just did all sorts of outrageous behavior. He needed to be reprimanded, and taking away a privilege is an effective way to do that.

FYE is ranking in Top Ten Pop albums in 6 or 7 other countries even Portugal (go figure). According to this it has gone up in US Pop to 3 and 4. #1 in Finland, great. No not free falling yet.
http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10popalbums.html

SashaB:

Hm, Dick Clark Productions, they also produce the New Year’s Eve Broadcast on ABC. Probably wouldn’t be too wise of fans to assault ABC with hate calls and the like’ ¦who knows, performers can change for that show, too.

That’s a good point. I don’t think the trending on Twitter is a problem. It’s just public speech. But bombarding ABC with hate calls or e-mails? Probably not a good idea. Not saying anyone is doing this, but just in case….calm messages expressing disappointment are probably not a problem. But people who are making a mistake can get dug in to their position. Even when they are being hypocritical and lame.

Just a thought.

i also was more offended by Eminem, but in this society violence is trending, noted that “pleasure” was bleeped from Adam’s AMA performance when he sang “take the pain, take the pleasure” the pain is okay, cause, someone else is singing about bondage, suicide by Russian Roulette, etc….and hey, that’s the big thing on the evening news, what a bunch of hypocrites, does ABC intend to start censoring all the daytime/primetime sex – straight, same sex, and bi, murder, physical abuse, rape, and untold numbers of crime from all the shows? seeing worst than Adam every day on the telly broadcast shows! Adam wasn’t exposed certainly not as raunchy as Borat arse in the face of eminem even if that wasn’t ABC. Just a side note, did anyone else notice how sweet Adam looked after the show, tells all that the performance was just that ~ Entertainment, he actually looked like a different person wearing the same clothes and hair style – ha, the Chameleon – oh, and i kinda felt that the flipping the finger was especially for OUT editor – like , well was THAT Gay enough for you!

I think they had to do something in response to the 1500 complaints. That is probably what it came down to.

And I’m sure GMA’s sponsors noticed too. — MJ

I have a gut feeling it wasn’t just concerned parents calling in …

Wow. Epic Fail!

Milley = pole humping = acceptable, Adam = kissing boys = not acceptable. Let’s guess what the issue is. LMAO!

xcept that yesterday they noted that 1500 complaints is nothing, and that they only count it a pr disaster when they get 15,000 or 20,000 complaints.

No they didn’t. They said it was a ‘moderate’  amount. And moderate is between nothing and a shit ton. So, I think in their minds’ ¦it is an appropriate response to a moderate number of complaints.

Sorry, but the 15,000 to 20,000 thing is a *quote.* …. And that’s what they called a disaster, while this was just “moderate.” They were semi-pooh-poohing it yesterday (not *totally* pooh-poohing it, but more or less), based on these numbers, and then *somebody* *in* *particular* complained, and everything changed. …. I don’t think there’s any other way to make sense of that release they put out yesterday citing the 1500 number and comparing it to what it takes to make a “pr disaster” — which is 10 to 15 times as many.

I would bet quite a bit that the pulling of the show is in response to some particular set of complaints and, most likely, threats of some kind of action or retaliation from someone who has previously complained to Disney about gay issues.

I think Adam will do well in Europe, ive seen more shocking things over here that Adams AMA performance and no one really cares.

showbiz tonight said that CBS confirmed that Adam is going to talk about his perfromance before he performs tomorrow. I have a feeling CBS might have some higher ratings tomorrow morning.

Sometimes I watch the Today Show, other times the Early Show or GMA depending who the guests are. I guess tomorrow I’ll be watching GMA or Today.

Since I am new to this, maybe somebody will enlighten me.
Does Twitter following mean anything?
Mr.Lambert’s is getting 6 times more followers per day since his controversial AMA performance.
Is it good? Is it bad? Does it translate into album sales?
Ha?

You’re looking at the pop feed. The real rankings are #6 and #10.

Go Adam 2 in the top 10

Adam’s part was late in the evening around 11pm. So it does qualifies for ‘late night’ . By virtue of what you stated, one can do risque. Then Adam didn’t violate anything. Oh yeah’ ¦it is the boy kissing a boy. LMAO! And people keep forgetting that he is gay.

Anything before 11:00 p.m. is prime time, not late night.

alison8701
11/24/2009 at 1:54 pm
And they have chosen to discriminate against gay performers who incorporate gay sexuality into their routines.

It’s the acts themselves. They just happened to be between two males.

that kind of behavior on broadcast is never acceptable. It was probably a combination of ALL of the lewd things Adam did. Not just one particular act. Plus, Adam apparently can’t control himself cause ‘it was all in the moment.’  and in general, just did all sorts of outrageous behavior. He needed to be reprimanded, and taking away a privilege is an effective way to do that.

Bad Adam. Will take away your lollipop cause your bad. Ops…did i say lollipop. OMG!

Since 19E and RCA have spent about ten times the money and resources on Adam then what they have on any previous contestant ‘“and they’re losing money at every copy they sell on Amazon for $3′“it’s going to be a long road to till any one sees any money on this project.

It’s a $3.99 special for mp3 downloads only. Rihanna’s mp3 is the same price. Last week the $3.99 specials were Bon Jovi (playing at the Today show tomorrow) and Weezer. The rest of the mp3s are $5.00. These are specials Amazon promotes every week for popular mp3 downloads.

they’re established, successful stars.

Truthiness, how do you think they became established stars? They’ve been doing this since the beginning. Madonna didn’t SUDDENLY become shocking. She went for her it from day 1, as did Eminem. They didn’t start out as sweet little Donny and Marie acts.

http://gossipcandy.com/2009/11/lauras-ama-review/

Thanks for that link. This puts a different perspective on how it was live. This was a good read!

@Trillian

what a wonderful post

thankyou

Sassycatz
11/24/2009 at 1:59 pm
Adam’s part was late in the evening around 11pm. So it does qualifies for ‘late night’ . By virtue of what you stated, one can do risque. Then Adam didn’t violate anything. Oh yeah’ ¦it is the boy kissing a boy. LMAO! And people keep forgetting that he is gay.

Anything before 11:00 p.m. is prime time, not late night.

Must be the difference in country, coz that is late night for most part of the world.

Since I am new to this, maybe somebody will enlighten me.
Does Twitter following mean anything?
Mr.Lambert’s is getting 6 times more followers per day since his controversial AMA performance.
Is it good? Is it bad? Does it translate into album sales?
Ha?

twitter means nothing.. doesnt equate to sales.

another good article…..even quotes Christina Applegate

http://blogs.chron.com/peep/2009/11/adam_lambert_axed_by_abc_1.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fpeep+%28Peep%29&utm_content=Twitter

If Adam can’t sell more album that Kris with a publicized performance on the AMA that has created huge buzz, 19 better stop trying to sell albums from S8. It’s hopeless.

It’s rare for an Idol album to go on sale the first week. Most retailers know the crazed fanbase will pay any price (at least for the first week).
So it’s a little surprising Amazon chose Adam as one to go on sale.
Notice Susan Boyle’s stuff is not on sale. It’s no big deal really. Anything that helps sales is a good thing.

Milley = pole humping = acceptable, Adam = kissing boys = not acceptable. Let’s guess what the issue is. LMAO!

Miley never humped a pole. She held onto a pole. And Adam did all sorts of humping..

Why is everyone focusing on the kiss?

the kiss made me utter “good lord” (eye roll), the humping after he fell elicited a bit of a derisive titter, the vagina pulling made me ask WHAT just happened, but the blow job simulation made my jaw drop. That took it too far.

Well ABC isn’t the only place that’s boycotting Adam. My Super Walmart is not carrying his CD.

It’s at my Walmart. Sure it’s just not sold out?

“Plus, Adam apparently can’t control himself cause ‘it was all in the moment.’  and in general, just did all sorts of outrageous behavior. He needed to be reprimanded, and taking away a privilege is an effective way to do that.”

And this is exactly why people will come in droves to his concerts. I cannot wait until he goes on tour.

that kind of behavior on broadcast is never acceptable. It was probably a combination of ALL of the lewd things Adam did. Not just one particular act. Plus, Adam apparently can’t control himself cause ‘it was all in the moment.’  and in general, just did all sorts of outrageous behavior. He needed to be reprimanded, and taking away a privilege is an effective way to do that.

Using this logic, why are shows like Family Guy and the Cleveland show both not being canceled? They’re actually on at a far earlier time, and on network television. There are plenty of other examples we could go with as well if we really want to. Fact is, this was blown completely out of proportion, period.

“Adam Lambert will be performing on CBS’s The Early Show tomorrow morning. Adam will be doing a special meet and greet in the plaza outside the studio following his indoor performance so fans are encouraged to gather at 59th and 5th.”

http://www.facebook.com/AdamLambert

Mr.Lambert’s is getting 6 times more followers per day since his controversial AMA performance.
Is it good? Is it bad? Does it translate into album sales?
Ha?

Hard to see how it’s bad. But it doesn’t seem to have much, if anything, to do with people’s album sales, although over the longer term, who knows? People seem to really really like following controversial people, and stupid groups like — “those of us who turn our pillow over to get to the cool side.”

Twitter is for twits. Do twits buy albums? Probably not. They probably illegally download (although I’ve read that Twitter is more popular with adults than with kids, so who knows?”)

that kind of behavior on broadcast is never acceptable

Since when, Alison? Did you actually watch the rest of the show? That kind of behavior was all over the stage.

Bad Adam. Will take away your lollipop cause your bad. Ops’ ¦did i say lollipop. OMG!

Well, it is the best way to deal with bad behavior from children.

Tampa folks, Ryan’s show is on 93.3 here, Adam’s interview is coming up next.

Does Twitter following mean anything?
Mr.Lambert’s is getting 6 times more followers per day since his controversial AMA performance.
Is it good? Is it bad? Does it translate into album sales?

No. Jordin is the idol with the most twitter followers and she can’t sell albums.

nvi

Must be a the difference in country, coz that is late night for most part of the world.

Could be, but prime time in the U.S. is 8:00 to 11:00, although in the Central part of the U.S., it’s from 7:00 to 10:00. So, in that time zone, they saw Adam’s performance even earlier. Heh.

Using this logic, why are shows like Family Guy and the Cleveland show both not being canceled? They’re actually on at a far earlier time, and on network television. There are plenty of other examples we could go with as well if we really want to. Fact is, this was blown completely out of proportion, period.

Family guy is suggestive. Not in your face. Well. Sometimes. But mostly. and they do get in trouble by the fcc.

And that isn’t my logic. It’s just.. how it is. Everyone knows broadcast is different. …right? Not just me, is it?

Did ANYONE listen to the radio interview this morning? Here is Adam explaining his thought process for the performance, saying that he is a young performer and just learning, etc.

It just blows my mind when fellow posters say he acts entitled. He is just a great person:

http://gossipcandy.com/2009/11/elvis-duran-interview-on-youtube/

It’s at my Walmart. Sure it’s just not sold out?

It’s at Walmart online and at “selected” brick-and-mortar Walmart stores, according to their website. … I suspect they looked at local political activity regarding gays when they decided where to place it and where not to place it. I’m sure that big retailers follow this kind of thing pretty closely.

druzilla
11/24/2009 at 1:56 pm
Wow. Epic Fail!

Yup it is an EPIC fail on the part of ABC and GMA. But CBS surely rocks!!! Have to ensure i tape the show.

“Well, it is the best way to deal with bad behavior from children.”

Yes, children taking care of children

I would bet quite a bit that the pulling of the show is in response to some particular set of complaints and, most likely, threats of some kind of action or retaliation.

Have to be something specific, Lucy. Because it simply doesn’t make biz sense. They were going to get great ratings. They’re stuck with the production cost bill, too.

Adam only had 1 performance, that ABC saw rehearsed and then pimped well in advance. The blow job wasn’t new. Kiss, maybe. He had months of live Idol performances. And even a GMA summer concert showing what a professional he is.

This just doesn’t add up. At all. The AMA’s, which is a rock show with a colorful past, doesn’t add up to advertiser pull-out, IMHO. Unless it was one specific advertiser, for one specific reason, in one specific way. 1 controversial performance isn’t enough for this kind of reaction. Unless there was suddenly 1 big account, with an agenda, who had big money pending. All prime time buy or something.

The “not in the morning” aspect of the ABC PR release is the weirdest. And since they have plenty prime time gay romance and sex in 2 of their most popular shows, they had to make some kind of attempt to mollify the double standards charge.

But this is too strange for it not to be for a very specific reason.