Idol Headlines for 08/28/10

Crystal Bowersox performs to a home town crowd tomorrow night in Toledo OH. Here are some pre-concert activities, courtesy of  101.5 The River:

HOLY TOLEDO SING-ALONG – You can join a “serenade to Crystal” on Sunday afternoon at The Huntington Center.  The Mamasox Village Idiots are planning to sing “Holy Toledo” to Crystal as she steps off the tour bus.  This will happen at approximately 2pm in the bus loading area at Huntington Center; you’re asked to show up a little early for some practice runs!

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You can get more info HERE.  And practice with the lyrics HERE.

SATURDAY PRE-CONCERT PARTY AT VILLAGE IDIOT- Saturday night, the Mamasox Village Idiots are hosting a pre-concert gathering at THE VILLAGE IDIOT in Maumee!  All proceeds benefit the JDRF.  You’ll have an opportunity to win tickets to the concert, courtesy of Toledo Free Press.  Plus, there will be raffles of signed Crystal t-shirts and a signed Crystal music-note pendant.

Get all the info about the party by CLICKING HERE.  And see Crystal’s custom jewelry HERE.

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X Factor: Insiders fear Simon Cowell’s verbal bashing has gone too far

Concerns are being raised after wannabe Annastasia Baker, who is known to be a “vulnerable” contestant, was put through to the boot camp stage – despite getting a verbal bashing from the music mogul.

Viewers will see him tell her on tonight’s show: “This is like one of these terrible Tina Turner tribute acts. I’ve seen trannies do better versions.”

Annastasia, 21, got through to the judges’ houses stage in 2008 but had a meltdown in front of the cameras after messing up her final audition.

Read more at mirror.co.uk

CARING X Factor boss Simon Cowell yesterday told Sun readers: “I love Shirlena Johnson just as much as you do.”

Simon said he adores the singer’s eccentric routines and insisted it had been a tough call taking her off the show after The Sun revealed she had been diagnosed with mental health issues.

“I’m very fond of her and she shouldn’t give up performing.”

But Simon said that as much as he would love her back in the show, he must accept the expert advice that the stress of being in the limelight is not in her best interests.

Read more at The Sun

Carol Brady to Mark Ballas — Who’s Yo Daddy?

If Mark Ballas makes one false move on the dance floor, his dad will be only a Texas two-step away from meting out discipline — because we’ve learned Mark’s father is returning to “Dancing with the Stars.”

Sources connected with the show tell TMZ … 49-year-old Corky Ballas — a retired professional ballroom dancer — will partner up with 76-year-old Florence Henderson beginning September 20.

Read more at TMZ

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185 Comments

  1. I think years from now, it is Crystal Bowersox who will have longevity in the business, long after the flavors of the months have faded and moved on. I’m not necessarily talking about being a huge seller like Kelly Clarkson or Carrie Underwood, but I see Crystal more as a talented song writer and collaborator. And her maturity and her sense of who she is as an artist, which worked against her with the teeny bopper voters on American Idol, will actually be her advantage in the real world, especially as she grows older.

  2. I found the first announcement about Crystal a little confusing. I know the Idols are in Chicago tonight. Is Crystal performing in her area tonight and then joining the concert? It says Crystal is performing tonight. If that is the case, I hope she has a good connecting flight!

  3. I don’t get the “verbal bashing gone too far!!” -stories at all, except of course in the sence that any buzz is good buzz in the beginning of the season.

    The contestants are interviewed, they go through a valuation and they will fill out a questionnaire mile a long before they are hurdled to be viewed in national television. (and this goes for both X-factor and AI) So why blame Simon? People know his behavior and expects him to say cruel things. If anyone should be blamed for a contestant meltdown it should be the producers who put a “vulnerable” contestant forward to get good tv out of it.

    Also, (as I don’t seem to have a heart) I tend to blame these contestants. You feel vulnerable? Something tragic and stressing happened in your near past? Then what the hell are you doing there, exposing yourself to a potential public ridicule? Or maybe you aren’t as breakable as you seem to be, maybe the producers hinted that behaving like a crazy would get you screen time like no other. Maybe you are faking it.

  4. So why blame Simon? People know his behavior and expects him to say cruel things.

    I’m sorry, no matter how many times Simon has proved to be an asshole in the past, it is always his fault for any future times of being an asshole. Should the contestants maybe know a little better? Probably. Does it mean Simon is blameless for his words? Not in my opinion.

  5. So why blame Simon? People know his behavior and expects him to say cruel things. If anyone should be blamed for a contestant meltdown it should be the producers who put a “vulnerable” contestant forward to get good tv out of it.

    When it comes to X-Factor, Simon is the executive producer. So, as stated, he is responsible for putting a “vulnerable” contestant forward to get good tv out of it.

    He may be able to dodge the blame on Idol, but he’s working both sides of the fence on X-Factor.

  6. I think years from now, it is Crystal Bowersox who will have longevity in the business, long after the flavors of the months have faded and moved on. I’m not necessarily talking about being a huge seller like Kelly Clarkson or Carrie Underwood, but I see Crystal more as a talented song writer and collaborator. And her maturity and her sense of who she is as an artist, which worked against her with the teeny bopper voters on American Idol, will actually be her advantage in the real world, especially as she grows older.

    Well yes, if it´s any kind of indicator, that she gained respect and belief from 3 respected and established artists (Linda Perry, Mellisa Etheridge and Michael Franti)in only 3 months, without the help of her label 19/Jive.
    Btw, has this happened before with any of the AI contestants?

  7. Eriko:
    08/28/2010 at 11:29 am

    Well yes, if it´s any kind of indicator, that she gained respect and belief from 3 respected and established artists (Linda Perry, Mellisa Etheridge and Michael Franti)in only 3 months, without the help of her label 19/Jive.
    Btw, has this happened before with any of the AI contestants?

    It happens every year since the beginning of AI that there is at least one contestant per season that gains famous, respected and vocal fans in the music and entertainment business.

  8. It happens every year since the beginning of AI that there is at least one contestant per season that gains famous, respected and vocal fans in the music and entertainment business.

    Who also were communicating and wanting to work with them? If so, I didn´t know, but admittedly, the first season I´ve followed up after the show. I´m kinda curious who they are, can you please inform me? Also curious how that turned out for them

    ETA: Adam and Queen? That I would´ve liked to see happen. Especially in light of Adams CD which I was very disappointed with

  9. Keith Urban said at least three times in interviews that he (& Nicole, lol) liked Danny during AI8. Gretchen Wilson also was on record in interviews about that, and some other artists/celebrities I’m forgetting who were from outside the AI world. Lionel Richie after the AI finale was another, Rascal Flatts…
    Plus Carrie and a variety of other former AI finalists during or after the season.

    Doesn’t necessarily need to translate to anything later on, but Danny did wind up opening for Keith at several dates this summer (as did Kris), and at least one with Gretchen. He also has made other kinds of appearances at different events together with some of those artists who have talked about him publicly (golf fundraiser with Rascal Flatts, St. Jude event with Carrie, meeting up with Jay DeMarcus at Disney a while ago…).

    Personally I think it’s more important though that the signed finalists have strong, smart support from their label and a savvy management team than that they have other artists talking them up in public.

    Short of something very substantive maybe…like Jim Brickman taking on Matt as a collaborator for his new single. That will hopefully give Matt’s recording career aspirations a step up but that remains to be seen.

  10. Keith Urban said at least three times in interviews that he (& Nicole, lol) liked Danny during AI8. Gretchen Wilson also was on record in interviews about that, and some others I’m forgetting who were not AI-related. Lionel Richie after the AI finale was another.
    Plus a variety of former AI finalists during and after the season.

    Well, I realize most (top 3) would have a fan out there, but I´m not talking about something mentioned in interviews, but actual communication and willingness to collaborate. And former AI don´t count. Crystal for example was a favorite of Adam, Allison, Elliot, Kelly Clarkson etc.

  11. Who also were communicating and wanting to work with them? If so, I didn´t know, but admittedly, the first season I´ve followed up after the show. I´m kinda curious who they are, can you please inform me? Also curious how that turned out for them

    Well off the top of my head I know Adam had a lot of people in the business complimenting him. Katy Perry performed on the show and had Adam’s name on her cape. Brian May from Queen said he’d like to work with Adam. I’m sure there are others but I’m blanking at the moment.
    I’m sure someone else can remember better than I can.

    And David Cook has gotten to work with his idol, Raine Maida of Our Lady Peace. He’s written songs with Raine and his wife Chantal Kreviazuk. I can’t remember if Cook has worked with Ed Roland of Collective Soul but I know Ed praised him after Cook sang The World I Know on the season 7 finale. Ed said Cook sang it better than he did.

    I remember hearing that Dolly Parton wanted to work with Michael Johns of season 7 but I don’t think anything ever came to fruition.

    I’m sure there are others but again I am blanking.

  12. David Cook has Steven van Zandt as a supporter (unsolicited) and co-writer, and has also co-written with Raine Maida of Our Lady Peace and his wife Chantal – neither of these appeared to be something the label arranged, but the result of their admiration. Carrie Underwood is also a fan and has done some duets with him that also appeared to be her idea. Zac Malloy is, I believe, a friend from before Idol, so their co-writes were also more organic. During his run on Idol, Lionel Richie expressed a desire to collaborate afer seeing what he did with Hello, and I thought Mariah did also after his Always Be My Baby. There may be others.

    Chris Daughtry has been a vocal supporter of Kris, and has collaborated with him.

    I am sure there are more, these are just the ones I know of.

  13. Batgirl, I think he and Ed Roland did collaborate, but the song was not released. They are now friends, I believe, and have played golf and I think did a charity function together. He also did other charity work with another major rocker (sorry, forget his name) with whom he has collaborated. Anyone remember?

  14. And as far as how it turned out? Permanent, written with Raine and Chantal, was done as a charity single on AI and did very well from the single performance he did. His second single was a Malloy co-write.

  15. Batgirl, I think he and Ed Roland did collaborate, but the song was not released. They are now friends, I believe, and have played golf and I think did a charity function together. He also did other charity work with another major rocker (sorry, forget his name) with whom he has collaborated. Anyone remember?

    Oh didn’t he do a charity thing with Better than Ezra? I remember there being some bowling thing and a concert. Is that the one you’re thinking of?

    And I can’t believe I forgot about Steven van Zandt!

    ETA: I found this blog where Kevin Griffin of BTE mentions writing Avalanche for DC.
    http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=58984688&blogID=441865080

  16. Oh yeah, the other charity stuff was with the Better Than Ezra frontman, who is also now a friend. I think they co-wrote Avalanche? Or that may be another guy.

    The SVZ co-write is a possible for his next record, so we’ll see how that goes.

  17. I learned the hard way that each time you think your fave Idol is covering some unique ground, after 9 years of the show, invariably another Idol from earlier years has gotten there first. Maybe not always, but 9 times out of 10 at least.

  18. Kevin wrote it with David, not for him, by the way. Fantastic collaboration, too. David also has admirers in sports – David Wright of baseball did a charity thing with him more than once now, and many sports stations are using various songs of his and seem to appreciate his athletic past.

  19. Oh yeah, the other charity stuff was with the Better Than Ezra frontman, who is also now a friend.

    That, of course, sends me scrambling off for a video of them singing “Absolutely Still” together because I love the harmonies ;)

  20. Kevin wrote it with David, not for him, by the way. Fantastic collaboration, too. David also has admirers in sports – David Wright of baseball did a charity thing with him more than once now, and many sports stations are using various songs of his and seem to appreciate his athletic past.

    Oh yes you are correct. It was a co-write. My bad. And yeah I remember the one David Wright charity thing where Cook put guyliner on Wright. Good times. :)

  21. For the record, DC also co-wrote a few other songs on DCTR with Raine – Declaration and I forget what else.

    David has been called onto stage to join Raine and Kevin for songs during their tours, too. Like Absolutely Still, as Tierbee mentioned. I love, love, love that collaboration. The harmonies were indeed fantastic.

  22. Keith Urban has been a mentor to Kris since they first performed together at the Idol finale. Keith has said several times that he’s looking for a song they can record together. The guys from Lifehouse said that they loved Kris’s voice and would be interested in touring with him well before the tour that they are now doing ever came together. He wrote a song with Mat Kearney — and judging from their tweets to each other, they have become friends. He wrote a song with Jon Foreman of Switchfoot (Lifetime) — who also has been quoted abou being interested in touring with Kris some day. He wrote a song with Joe King of the Fray (Alright with Me) — and that group has also been vocal in their support of him.

    Adam had a bunch of well-known musicians and producers praising him and talking about wanting to work with him even before that season of AI ended.

    And I’m sure that other Idols have had similar type connections coming off the show. So, no, what is going on with Crystal isn’t unique — but it is still very exciting and shoul help her as she tries to build a career going forward,

  23. Although Avalanche was never a single here, it was in the Philippines, where it was one of the top songs on radio there for quite a while – I think either 1st or 2nd most popular on some stations. So, another successful result.

  24. Keith Urban has been a mentor to Kris since they first performed together at the Idol finale.

    Even my mom who forgets Idols exist after the season has either heard or read about Keith Urban’s praise of Kris because she informed me about it :)

    So, no, what is going on with Crystal isn’t unique — but it is still very exciting and shoul help her as she tries to build a career going forward,

    Yup, exactly. I mean, many of these Idols are super talented so it isn’t surprising that they get attention from other artists. But I think it is very exciting for Crystal, and I am really interested to watch her career unfold.

  25. I learned the hard way that each time you think your fave Idol is covering some unique ground, after 9 years of the show, invariably another Idol from earlier years has gotten there first. Maybe not always, but 9 times out of 10 at least.

    Well, so far, no one has established concrete info about a former Idol who established a working relationship with a respected established artist the first 2-3 months after the show, let alone 3 of them. So far, Crystal is the only one :) But we´ll see, someone might jump in here and correct me

  26. Speaking of Lifehouse, DC also wrote with Jason Wade, though it didn’t make the record. I believe Switchfoot was highly complementary of David’s Dare You to Move, too. And I think some band that David covered linked his version on their website – was it Hot for Teacher? Who remembers? Of course, David has a mutual admiration thing going with his chosen touring partners, including Ryan Star, who I think David has helped re-launch.

  27. Thanks tierbee! I haven’t watched that one in a long time. And I agree, its a very nice shirt. ;)

  28. I learned the hard way that each time you think your fave Idol is covering some unique ground, after 9 years of the show, invariably another Idol from earlier years has gotten there first. Maybe not always, but 9 times out of 10 at least.

    Oh yes, and there will be plenty of posters ready with good memories, facts, and statistics to back it up, LOL! The “unique ground” question is like waving a red flag in front of a herd of bulls.

  29. I believe all the DC co-writes occurred within the 2-3 month time frame. Maybe you don’t consider his co-writers respected and established, but they are in the alt-rock world. OLP has been very big in Canada and Better Than Ezra has been big in alt-rock.

  30. So…I went to see Josiah Leming in concert at the Coach House in SJC last night. Yeah…kid is talented and has a lot of potential, but he has a LOT of stuff he needs to work on. His stage presence is very distracting with a lot of nervous tics or energy or whatever. And he tends to mumble when he’s talking to the audience. When he sings, he screams and/or tries to push his vocals way too much — he could have difficulties with his voice down the road if he keeps doing that. The songwriting isn’t bad at all, and he is a really really really good pianist. But he wasn’t able to hold the crowd’s attention — he was the 3rd of 4 acts last night, and the people who were on before them were this really good alternative rock band who won over the crowd (I think they were local because they had a ton of family there) and brought a ton of energy. Then Josiah came on, and the energy drained from the room. It robably wasn’t the best gig for him — on a bill with 3 alternative rock bands.

    The headliner, however, was fantastic — J.R. Richards. Anyone here remember Dishwalla? He is (or was– not sure if group is still together) their lead singer. He has a fantastic voice, has written a bunch of really really strong songs and was able to commmand the stage and the crowd effortlessly.

    I hope Josiah was watching and paying attention — even though their styles and sound are totally different, he could probably learn something from a guy who has been around for 15+ years and had major success at least briefly.

  31. I believe all the DC co-writes occurred within the 2-3 month time frame. Maybe you don’t consider his co-writers respected and established

    Of course I do consider it to be so. If that happened without the Labels help, the same applies to DC as Crystal

  32. Eriko — Kris worked with all the people I mentioned (aside from Lifehouse) within the first 2-3 months after getting off the show.

    Sorry, so no, Crystal wouldn’t be the first :) (Kris likely wasn’t, either)

  33. The headliner, however, was fantastic — J.R. Richards. Anyone here remember Dishwalla? He is (or was– not sure if group is still together) their lead singer. He has a fantastic voice, has written a bunch of really really strong songs and was able to commmand the stage and the crowd effortlessly.

    I remember Dishwalla. I loved Counting Blue Cars. I was curious if they were still together and according to Wikipedia they were still together as of March 2009 but it looks like the lineup has changed some.

  34. Well, so far, no one has established concrete info about a former Idol who established a working relationship with a respected established artist the first 2-3 months after the show, let alone 3 of them.

    LOL the day is young. Although I’m not sure what you mean by “established a working relationship” because IIRC Crystal hasn’t actually started recording anything yet. I haven’t been following her closely so I could be wrong. Unless you mean met with and acknowledged each others awesomeness. Which does widen the possibilities for a similar situation for past Idols.

  35. The “unique ground” question is like waving a red flag in front of a herd of bulls.

    That made me laugh. Because it is so very true.

  36. Does it matter when it happens? It’s great that Crystal has that opportunity. Hopefully, it will come to fruition. A lot of the idols have been praised by respected artists during and after the show and many artists have major stars co-writing or contributing songs to them. It’s a great compliment to the idols talent!

    I’m curious why you think that Crystals contacts have been completely without 19/Jive involvement at all?

  37. Well yes, if it´s any kind of indicator, that she gained respect and belief from 3 respected and established artists (Linda Perry, Mellisa Etheridge and Michael Franti)in only 3 months, without the help of her label 19/Jive.
    Btw, has this happened before with any of the AI contestants?

    I think we should do a little homework before we declare Crystal the next Mellisa Etheridge. Many Idols have worked with established artists coming of Idol. Linda Perry wrote and produced A Loaded Smile on Adams album and they still communicate with each other up to today.He has the respect by Mellisa Etheridge herself by calling him a trailblazer in the music industry and I can’t even begin to list all the established artists who wanted to work with him even before and since S8 has been over. LOL

  38. Sorry, so no, Crystal wouldn’t be the first :) (Kris likely wasn’t, either)

    well, one can hope :) Actually, none of this makes a difference, unless as I was hoping, that when respected and established artists wants a working relationship with Crystal, it would be some kind of indicator for Crystals careers success

  39. I think two of the artists mentioned are songwriters so it’s possible Jive set up the connection. In the end it doesn’t matter, because Crystal gets to work with cool people and that’s what counts. If she didn’t record while on tour, her album will probably not be out until December or January/2011.

    Usually the longer Idols wait, the worse they do but that might not affect S9 as much.

  40. Many Idols have worked with established artists coming of Idol. Linda Perry wrote and produced A Loaded Smile on Adams album

    I didn’t know that. That disappoints me because I was hoping for something really good to come from Crystal and Linda potentially working together, but that song sucks. I hope if she writes for Crystal they come up with something better.

  41. Wasn’t there also a major group that wanted Chris Daughtry to take over as frontman right after he got booted, too? I forget who.

    For the record, I am somewhat of a Crystal fan, and voted for her a bunch during the season. I mean no slight to her, as she has won some great admirers.

    I also mean no slight to the other Idols, as I bet a bunch more have worked with major musicians, too – I just know the details for DC and not these others.

    By the way, the collaborations with OLP are particularly sweet for DC, as Raine is his own musical Idol. I think that came about because of Cook’s cover of their song during Idol, and Raine finding out how much DC loves OLP. Some of the other possible collaborations, like Mariah and Lionel, didn’t happen because I suspect DC wasn’t interested. They didn’t fit his musical direction.

  42. Eriko:
    08/28/2010 at 1:01 pm

    Of course I do consider it to be so. If that happened without the Labels help, the same applies to DC as Crystal

    I’m not sure how you know that any of them got attention or worked with established artists without the label’s help.

  43. I agree with the main point, Ericko, that it has been the more successful Idols who have had respected artists chomping at the bit to work with them. It is a very good sign for Crystal, indeed.

  44. Wasn’t there also a major group that wanted Chris Daughtry to take over as frontman right after he got booted, too? I forget who.

    Wasn’t it Fuel?

    Crystal really isn’t the first idol to have established artists work with her. To be honest, I actually don’t care who Crystal works with since I have such faith in her own songwriting. I trust her musical instincts more than I have ever any contestant off the show. My dream is that we eventually get a Crystal album that is completely her own writing and producing.

    ETA Oops got beat lol!

  45. I didn’t know that. That disappoints me because I was hoping for something really good to come from Crystal and Linda potentially working together, but that song sucks. I hope if she writes for Crystal they come up with something better.

    It’s all subjective and a matter of taste what might suck to you may not to someone else. Who to say what Crystal puts out wouldnt suck neither.It’s a matter of personal taste.

  46. IndyMuse, I love the Cook/Maida friendship and collaborations, too, since David talked many times about going to see OLP in concert and how he was his idol. So I just love that they are friends now. Which, guess what? Sends me off to find that YouTube of David performing with OLP… Hee!

    Wasn’t there also a major group that wanted Chris Daughtry to take over as frontman right after he got booted, too?

    It was Fuel. I love Fuel! He performed “Hemorrhage” on the show.

  47. It’s all subjective and a matter of taste what might suck to you may not to someone else.

    Of course, it is just by far my least favorite Adam song so it is disappointing to find out Linda Perry wrote it.

  48. IndyMuse
    cook wrote declaration with Johnny Rzeznik (of the Goo Goo Dolls) NOT with Raine Maida.
    Johnny Rzeznik was the first “big name” that stated publicly during cook’s run on AI that he WANTS to write with david.
    they have collaborated again for DCTR2.
    their new song is on david’s NYC blog. it’s called “right here with you”.

  49. It’s all subjective and a matter of taste what might suck to you may not to someone else.

    Well, sure, but if you love Crystal, you know Crystal is writing with Linda Perry, and you hate the song that Linda Perry wrote for Adam, you probably will be disappointed to find that out. At least that’s how I read it :) Of course it’s subjective. It would be really boring if we all liked the same stuff :)

  50. I’m sure it’s hard to tell what was/wasn’t with the label’s help, though good comments during Idol, before they signed, is a good indicator the admiration came up organically. Several successful Idols, like DC, have had this. However, it really doesn’t matter if the label helped, unless the artists collaborated against their will somehow. If the label helped them find genuine admirers, they are still real admirers. The length of time till the person admired them doesn’t matter, either – SVZ is absolutely now both friend and admirer. If DC’s admirers/collaborators were big-name pop stars, I’d be more likely to suspect label involvement. Since they are in his chosen genre, which the label doesn’t always seem to favor, I suspect they are true admirers.

  51. For the record, DC also co-wrote a few other songs on DCTR with Raine – Declaration and I forget what else.

    Actually Declaration was written with Johnny Reznik from the Goo Goo Dolls during the Idol tour. Johnny has recently mentioned working with David again and had very complimentary things to say about him.

    ETA: somebody beat me to it, LOL.

  52. I didn’t know all these people worked with David Cook, I’m impressed.

  53. Of course, it is just by far my least favorite Adam song so it is disappointing to find out Linda Perry wrote it.

    Well she REALLY wanted to work with him so there you go. Maybe their next venture would be more to your liking.

  54. Daughtry’s “Hemorrhage” was awesome.

    Yeah, I could totally see why they’d want him to be their new lead singer after that performance. It was great.

  55. Thanks for the correction, justic. I forget what the other Raine collaborations are – Mr. Sensitive? And one other? I didn’t know Rzeznick was the first to declare interest in working with him. Based on Declaration, I hope we get to hear their next one together.

  56. Hello, I’d like to ask if any other finalist has opened for someone who has never collaborated w/ an idol before, at a huge festival so soon after the idol tour is done. Many were surprised that Michael Franti agreed to collab with Crystal and now she’s actually opening for him w/o even having an album out yet. :D

    I’m always thrilled for my favs who get compliments from those in the industry.

  57. It can’t be considered anything but a good thing that all these respected artists want to work with Crystal. It should only help her, and hopefully some good music will come out of at least a few of the collaborations.

    Lee has been so closemouthed about who he is working with — I wonder if he has had the same kind of collaborations with well-respected/established musicians that Crystal is getting? It’s likely, but it’s sort of strange it’s so hush-hush. In the past we pretty much usually (not always, maybe) heard about these things.

  58. Well, sure, but if you love Crystal, you know Crystal is writing with Linda Perry, and you hate the song that Linda Perry wrote for Adam, you probably will be disappointed to find that out.

    tierbee, not that I know if a Linda Perry/Crystal (or Melissa or Franti) co-write will make the debut album. But I´m pretty sure that Crystal won´t except songs based on who co-wrote them. So if there is a co-written song released, I´m sure it will be in Crystals genre

  59. Well, sure, but if you love Crystal, you know Crystal is writing with Linda Perry, and you hate the song that Linda Perry wrote for Adam, you probably will be disappointed to find that out. At least that’s how I read it :) Of course it’s subjective. It would be really boring if we all liked the same stuff :)

    That is true, but although Crystal is talented I don’t think she is all that. JMO.

  60. Well yes, if it´s any kind of indicator, that she gained respect and belief from 3 respected and established artists (Linda Perry, Mellisa Etheridge and Michael Franti)in only 3 months, without the help of her label 19/Jive.
    Btw, has this happened before with any of the AI contestants?

    Bo Bice had a few artists who praised him during his season and added credibility to his Rocker creed. He was the first true rocker to make it to the Finale. It’s hard to google to find the right articles, since it happened in 2005 but here are some tidbits on Wikipedia that describe what happened in the same year following his win as Top 2:

    The B-side (of his first single released shortly after the show) was his rendition of the Ides of March*** hit “Vehicle”, featuring an appearance by Richie Sambora. It was certified Gold in late July 2005. Bice was invited to the Bonnaroo Music Festival by Trey Anastasio (formerly of Phish). He sang a song with Willie Nelson at a Birmingham concert and was invited by Nelson to perform at Farm Aid. Bice appeared on Carlos Santana’s 2005 album All That I Am with the song “Brown Skin Girl.”
    Also, Jim Croce’s family awarded Bice the “Jim Croce 20th Annual Music Award” because the Croce family had been greatly moved by Bice’s performance of Croce’s song “Time in a Bottle” while he was a contestant on American Idol.

    *** They thanked him publicly after he performed their song on the show.
    Bo also played with Lynyrd Skynyrd in the Finale . This was pretty unheard of at the time, that a band like this would show up on American Idol and it was actually an endorsement of him as an artist. Bo was truly a trail blazer in bringing Classic Rock onto the AI stage. It is tragic what happened to him after his win and the Cd he released. I certainly hope that they won’t do that to Crystal and will let her be, and yes, will allow her to release all original songs. That’s what makes her unique and I believe, that’s what her fans want to hear.

  61. The early festival participation may be unique to Crystal – I’m not sure; others may have the facts on this that I lack. Some Idols didn’t open for big names who had not worked with an Idol before because they started from day one as headliners. The only time DC didn’t headline was those early Jingle Balls, before his tour began.

    By definition, someone had to have opened first for people who hadn’t worked with Idols before, or there wouldn’t be any doing it a second time. Probably Carrie, Kelly, and other early winners. Did Keith Urban work with anyone before Kris?

  62. That is true, but although Crystal is talented I don’t think she is all that.

    LOL, that’s fine, but it doesn’t have much to do with a Crystal fan being disappointed that she’s cowriting with someone who wrote a song they don’t like :)

  63. The “unique ground” question is like waving a red flag in front of a herd of bulls.

    That made me laugh. Because it is so very true.

    Yes, hard to find truly ‘unique ground’ after 9 seasons. Most posters have a favorite or two and they praise them at every opportunity but probably not a good idea to think your favorite has done something unique that no other contestant has ever done. LOL

    Ole, and on with the show.

  64. the 3rd raine collab on DCTR is “i did it for you”.
    “right here with you” that cook co-wrote with Rzeznik for DCTR2 can be heard here:
    the demo is in this blog
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJPB8WX9IFI
    and the record version that was recorded by david and his band is at the end of this blog
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKYARstHyjg

    seems like the song has great chances of making DCTR2.

    ETA:
    “declaration” and “right here with you” were both co-written by the same team: david cook, Rzeznik & Greg Wattenburg.

  65. But I´m pretty sure that Crystal won´t except songs based on who co-wrote them.

    Weeellll, to a point. She still has a label to answer to. And that doesn’t always go like you want it to (shakes fist at RCA).

  66. So true on waving a red flag. My posts were meant to be informative, not competitive, FWIW.

    In response to an earlier poster on another topic – I was a Dishwalla fan and had wondered what happened to them. Cool you got to hear their lead singer.

  67. I am seriously wondering if Crystal has the power to dictate that her songs all be written by her, as she thinks. I am also wondering if a bunch of her pre-Idol work will make the cut. I kind of hope it does, and blazes a trail for others to have theirs see the light of day. I hate how Idol pretends they created these singers, as though they sprung from a cabbage patch with no musical background at all, just singin’ in the shower.

  68. Crystal only has as much power as the label and her mgmt are willing to give her. I expect to see mostly co-writes of new material on her album, with maybe a few of her pre-AI originals making the cut. But it may depend on how hard Jive is going to try and push her to the more mainstream radio/audience. The more “commercial” they try to make her, the less say she’ll likely end up having

  69. I am seriously wondering if Crystal has the power to dictate that her songs all be written by her, as she thinks. I am also wondering if a bunch of her pre-Idol work will make the cut

    I think Crystal is stubborn as hell when is comes to music in her name. She knows the contract she signed, and she very recently stated that most of the album will be pre-idol stuff and she will write ALL of it. For her, I think chart numbers, celebrity status and $$$ success is not important as long as she´s making a comfo living.

  70. girlygirl we can’t forget about Alex Band. For a while he was tweeting up a storm about working with Kris and sending him songs but none of them made the album. He seemed pretty excited.

  71. For her, I think chart numbers, celebrity status and $$$ success is not important as long as she´s making a comfo living.

    I hope you’re right, I really would love for her to be allowed to be true to herself. But she isn’t only answering to herself, she’s answering to a label. And they are going to want some $$.

  72. IndyMuse

    Cool. I was really impressed with J.R. Richards. I knew a little about Dishwalla from back when they were pretty popular, especially with college radio, but I’d never seen them perform live. I guess he’s now doing some solo stuff.

  73. Chris Cornell also was impressed with David and thought of Light On for him. Also, the writers that are working with David are all very impressed with him, Claude Kelly and David Hodges, both grammy winning writers, have both said how impressed they are with him. FWIW, I know Meatloaf is impressed with David too, there was a video with him and David.

  74. Crystal can be as stubborn as she wants — in the end, the power lies with the label and the mgmt, not her. Unless her contract specifically says her album will be written entirely by her alone and will contain xx amount of her pre-Idol stuff, she really has little leverage here — as any of the previous people coming off AI could tell her.

    Hopefully she will be able to win some of these battles. But I hope she also knows how to pick and choose what battles to fight. Problems with your label are never fun.

  75. girlygirl:
    08/28/2010 at 1:32 pm

    This may be my favorite new photo of Kris

    Kris in a henley. Love it!

  76. Problems with your label are never fun.

    I know every idol fan lives in fear of their idol getting dropped, but for Crystal I don’t think it would be horrible thing if she parted ways with Jive after this album. I do not want Crystal to be a commercial success if it means she has to compromise her musical integrity. So what if she gets dropped? She would probably sign with some indie label, and make much better music than what is coming from the other ex idols, and really I think that should be what matters to fans.

  77. Hopefully she will be able to win some of these battles. But I hope she also knows how to pick and choose what battles to fight. Problems with your label are never fun.

    I hope so too…but a little nervous if there will be a disagreement. Have former idols been as firm as she is regarding what the album will contain, then backing out later on? Guess I´m just naive, but I´d think Crystal or any other artist who signs an agreement, knew well what they can or can not do

  78. Wasn’t Hodges already a co-writer for one of his bonus songs? Yes, he seems to be a friend and musical admirer now, too.

    Girlygirl, I agree that her label is going to care about chart position and $$$$$s, and may have to temper her expectations. These folks walk a fine line between satisfying the label and being true to themselves. Too much stubbornness could create problems in the future.

  79. I could see some artists thinking their fanbases give them more leverage than they actually do, resulting in being too stubborn to the point of hurting themselves. Some have implied this was what happened with Taylor Hicks.

  80. I didn’t know that. That disappoints me because I was hoping for something really good to come from Crystal and Linda potentially working together, but that song sucks. I hope if she writes for Crystal they come up with something better.

    Me too. A Loaded Smile is one of my least favorite songs on Adam’s album. I always hit skip when it comes up on my ipod.

  81. I think people are kidding themselves if it was all about Crystal just doing what she loves and be comfy. The labels are looking to make money and that is the bottom line. If there is no money to be made than they are more likely to spend less money on promoting you for future projects. Crystal lost because many people didn’t see her as mainstream. They called her dirty and unkept because of her hair and teeth(which I don’t agree with BTW) so yeah she’s going to need a lot of promotion and backing of Jive and we all know how cheap they are.
    American Idol know what numbers crystal had during Idol and iTunes so believe me someone one is crunching the numbers to see how marketable she is.

  82. In general I’m not sure what to think about the whole idea if cowriters on the Idols cds. In one way I think it is terrific when someone wants to work with someone from Idol. And I do think it helps them make the transition to a major label artist. Though, the past few years there have been people that could write music themselves, and very well. I’m not sure if the thinking is that if they have more experienced cowriters in order to make sure they come out with some possible hits. I kind of wonder how they feel when they work with cowriters, if it’s welcomed or not. I do think that David Cook sees it as a learning experience from some interviews I’ve read. I also read that some of Kris’s cowriters were impressed with him too.

    I’m not sure if not having cowriters and using their preidol music shows that the record company thinks they will be sucessful without it, or if they just aren’t putting the effort in. Or maybe, particuarlly with Crystal, she would rather get her own music out even if it isn’t quite as much a commercial success. But it seems like Lee isn’t having as many cowriters either and may use some of his preidol work as well.

    THe question I have is if a record company provides big named cowriters to someone, but then doesn’t to someone else, does it mean that the record company has the same commitment to someone, especially if they are using their own music. Would they be more heavily invested, at least financially, in someone if they provided big named cowriters.

  83. The labels are looking to make money and that is the bottom line. If there is no money to be made than they are more likely to spend money on promoting you for future projects.

    So what? Crystal is a great song writer, so she doesn’t need some high powered label to come in and hand her hits.

    Crystal lost because many people didn’t see her as mainstream. They called her dirty and unkept because of her hair and teeth

    Crystal doesn’t need those people, they can go back to listening to their mainstream junk. Not everyones goal is to be bland enough to be loved by the masses. If someone is idiotic enough to dislike Crystal for her teeth or hair they are probably too vapid to appreciate her music anyway.

  84. Interesting questions, karenkc. I think some have come in with no writing experience and needed co-writers or writers. Others recently have the experience and might do well with their own writing. I biasedly think DC never needed a co-writer, but some of the results have still been fantastic. It’s hard to tell if giving someone big-name co-writers is a sign of confidence or not; and if letting them write it all themselves is a sign of confidence or not. It may differ from artist to artist.

  85. THe question I have is if a record company provides big named cowriters to someone, but then doesn’t to someone else, does it mean that the record company has the same commitment to someone, especially if they are using their own music. Would they be more heavily invested, at least financially, in someone if they provided big named cowriters.

    My guess is if they let Lee and Crystal use some of their own material and we don’t know that for sure yet, It tells me they are less committed to spending money on them. Both Lee and Crystal songs showed little interest if you go by their itune sales. So yeah I wouldn’t want to pay big bucks to big name writers. The less the better. If it works out than great it would be a step in the right direction to let some idols put out their own work in the future. But everything is just speculation right now.

  86. I agree Crystal doesn’t need someone to hand her a hit, but she did sign with a label with money expectations, though they’ve clearly been patient with some former Idols. I hope she can have a hit on her own, but the label may insist on some songs with co-writers as insurance. Perhaps Jive is willing to develop her.

  87. BTW, justic, IDIFY has always been one of my favorites from DCTR, though many critics and fans don’t agree.

  88. So what? Crystal is a great song writer, so she doesn’t need some high powered label to come in and hand her hits.

    Well if she has it all and doesn’t need help … then why go on AI to begin with?

  89. I tend to think providing co-writers is SOP, with RCA, anyway.

    In the beginning of the process, David has said several times that he gave RCA a wish list of people he would like to write with, and he got them.

    That leads me to think the co-writing part isn’t open to discussion, only who they are….and if the artist mostly gets to pick, or is handed names. That he viewed it as a “learning experience” thing is also true.

    It’s not really the Label’s investment, anyway (they hope) – unless the artist crashes and burns, the Label will recoup the cost of the co-writers from profits. If they are at all worried about that, I can see pulling back on hiring big name co-writers.

    Every one coming off of Idol needs all the paying fans they can get, in this economy, especially – but what happens on the writing with Crystal’s songs won’t be obvious until we read the credits – KWIM?

  90. Crystal doesn’t need those people, they can go back to listening to their mainstream junk. Not everyones goal is to be bland enough to be loved by the masses. If someone is idiotic enough to dislike Crystal for her teeth or hair they are probably too vapid to appreciate her music anyway.

    Crystal went on American Idol. You can’t get any mainstream than that.She knew she was going to be signed to a mainstream label not some Indie label. So yeah there will be some compromise. I also agree not everyone needs to be bland and loved by the masses that’s why My favorite is Adam whether he’s everyone cuppa of tea or not just like Crystal isn’t everyone’s cup of tea neither.

  91. Well if she has it all and doesn’t need help … then why go on AI to begin with?

    For exposure, and now she has it. I wouldn’t have heard Crystal’s music without her going on idol, but even before the show her music was much better than almost everything the other idols have put out after the show with big time writers and producers.

  92. IndyMuse:
    08/28/2010 at 2:27 pm
    I agree Crystal doesn’t need someone to hand her a hit, but she did sign with a label with money expectations, though they’ve clearly been patient with some former Idols. I hope she can have a hit on her own, but the label may insist on some songs with co-writers as insurance. Perhaps Jive is willing to develop her.

    Well that really is what it comes down to, making sure there is a return on investment. Now that she is signed its not just her expectations that need to be met.

  93. I wouldn’t have heard Crystal’s music without her going on idol, but even before the show her music was much better than almost everything the other idols have put out after the show with big time writers and producers.

    That’s a pretty subjective statement. I’m not bowled over by her writing. Its fine/good, but not the best thing that has been written.

  94. Crystal was my favorite on AI9 to the degree I had one (which wasn’t much). It sounds like there are some who’d rather see her with a small but tasteful, appreciative set of fans/music-buyers to sustain a sense of purity to her artistry, and anyone who doesn’t get it or has more mainstream tastes should get lost. Maybe that’s what she wants also; if so, a lot of niche artists can make a living, and occasionally break through for a while to a mainstream hit that is more lucrative.

    That doesn’t seem like something Jive would be that invested in though, and it seems to offer a limited outlet for radio play or music sales unless she gets lucky with a hot song, which is always a big wildcard.

    From what I’ve read the runner-up typically gets paid a decent amount under the AI contracts; you’d have to guess Jive would want to at least be trying for an approach to her CD that would have a reasonable chance to recoup that investment. If I owned any stock in Jive, would sure want to think so vs. their taking on art-y projects designed for a narrow audience, that presumably would have lesser potential to make back the costs of taking on the artist.

  95. Well that really is what it comes down to, making sure there is a return on investment. Now that she is signed its not just her expectations that need to be met.

    For the label, but why should fans care? Worst case scenario is Crystal doesn’t make a second album with Jive, and signs with an indie label. We would still get music from Crystal… I guess I just don’t understand why so many fans really care what the label makes in profit lol. It really shouldn’t be about how famous your favorite becomes, but the quality of their music.

  96. If I owned any stock in Jive, would sure want to think so vs. their taking on vanity art-y projects that have little potential to make back the costs of taking on the artist.

    But you don’t, and I’m sure none of us on here do, so I really don’t understand all this commiseration with the labels lol!

  97. You wanna hear your fav on the radio? It’s the label’s money behind that – an uphill climb for the Indies – as all the numbers threads can attest to . You wanna see them at other sorts of shows? The Labels are behind that too. Once that contract is signed, the Artist and the Label have a symbiotic relationship…and the artist knows it.

    The rest is in the Land of Projection, and uses a word I haven’t typed since I was in my twenties, “should”, because of it’s tenuous connection to reality.

    The projection of what you want for Crystal, which obviously, you know very well, onto what Crystal wants for herself, which beyond exposure, a chance to share her music, and a secure future for her son, you don’t really know at all – makes all the ‘shoulds’ in the world a moot point.

    IMO, of course.

  98. steph6449, I couldn’t have said it better. Incipit, you got it!!

    ETA: Crystal should give Kelly Clarkson a call.

  99. You wanna hear your fav on the radio? It’s the label’s money behind that – an uphill climb for the Indies – as all the numbers threads can attest to . You wanna see them at other sorts of shows? The Labels are behind that too.

    No, I actually don’t care if I hear my favorites on some top 40 or HAC radio station or if they perform on Dancing with the Stars or whatever. Most of my favorite artists don’t do crap like that actually.

    ETA: Crystal should give Kelly Clarkson a call.

    Kelly would probably tell her to do what she wants and fuck the label. Her best Cd was the one she fought the labels on, but it wasn’t “marketable” enough for the label. Kelly is just trying to pump out crap pop albums now so she can get out of her obligations and make the music she wants to make.

  100. No, I actually don’t care if I hear my favorites on some top 40 or HAC radio station or if they perform on Dancing with the Stars or whatever. Most of my favorite artists don’t do crap like that actually

    .

    gangreen29. In all due respect, didn’t you went to audition for American Idol. I am curious to know what your expectations were. Had you made it do you honestly think you wouldn’t have had to compromise yourself. If this how you truly feel why did you feel the need to go to American Idol and audition if it was so easy to make it in the business.

  101. gangreen29. In all due respect, didn’t you went to audition for American Idol. I am curious to know what your expectations were. Had you made do you honestly think you wouldn’t have had to compromise yourself. If this how you truly feel why did go feel the need to go to American Idol and audition if it was so easy to make it in the business.

    Truthfully, I knew I didn’t have much of a shot, but I was hoping to maybe make the voting rounds, and make it easier to book better paying gigs around here. I really think that is all Crystal wanted too. Not everyone who tries out for idol does it just to become famous.

  102. No, I actually don’t care if I hear my favorites on some top 40 or HAC radio station or if they perform on Dancing with the Stars or whatever. Most of my favorite artists don’t do crap like that actually.

    Well, then, there you go. It’s not about the artist, it’s about what you want. Those are extreme examples you gave, of course – it doesn’t have to be DWTS, it could be a Juvenile Diabetes Fund raiser, or some such thing – and there are other types of radio stations – but radio exposure breeds sales, which allows an artist to pay back their advance, which is a good thing, for the artist. Especially if they have an idea of going Indie – which we do not know.

    If we were ever talking about what is a good thing for the artist, in the first place.

  103. Kelly would probably tell her to do what she wants and fuck the label. Her best Cd was the one she fought the labels on, but it wasn’t “marketable” enough for the label. Kelly is just trying to pump out crap pop albums now so she can get out of her obligations and make the music she wants to make.

    And Kelly didn’t want Breakaway on her album neither and guess what it was the song that elevated her career.

  104. I totally agree with Steph6449. Following Adam over the last +12 months hasbreally enlightened me about the music BUSINESS. Jive and RCA are going to want radio hits and album sales from these guys, thus choice of songs/collaborators are only partially left up to the artist. Adam said in a recent interview that he had about a 50% say in album/music decisions. Crystal and Lee are both really unproven commodities so the labels would I think want to hedge their bets and get strong writers and collaborators for them to work with who have some prone hit making credentials. They don’t have this massive eager fan base waiting to snap up anything they put out. I think even more than Kris and Adam, they are much closer to just unknown new artists. None of the non-idol stans I know have a clue who they are so their success will strongly hinge on the music they get out and radio’s willingness to play it. And we have all seen what a game that is..

  105. Well, then there you go. It’s not about the artist, it’s about what you want.

    Crystal has also made it quite clear she is in it just for the music and to make a better life for her son, and she wants to do it without selling out and playing the fame game. If she got the chance to perform on Dancing With the Stars i’m sure she’d take it, but she isn’t going to change who she is musically to get to that point.

  106. Truthfully, I knew I didn’t have much of a shot, but I was hoping to maybe make the voting rounds, and make it easier to book better paying gigs around here. I really think that is all Crystal wanted too. Not everyone who tries out for idol does it just to become famous.

    Ok I get what your saying, but you don’t know what Crystal truly want. I myself love non mainstream artists. Adam is a hard pill to swallow but I am glad he open himself up to mainstream America because it expanded his base. Why limit yourself. Crystal may not be loved by all but I wouldn’t knock her if she had to do a little compromising to get her music out there.

  107. If Crystal didn’t need help, she would have been successful without ever going on Idol. As far as I know, she wasn’t making any kind of a living as a musician prior to going on AI — no matter how good her music may have been.

    And not everyone thinks Crystal is a great songwriter. I know I lot of people who find her music incredibly boring and old-fashioned. And some of these people can’t stand mainstream music — they are indie music “snobs”. So I think it is incredibly naive or arrogant to think Crystal can get along without any help from her label, mgmt or the more established collaborators she might work with. There are probably very few musicians in the whole history of recorded music who were able to have out a successful career (by successful I mean financially, not just critaically) without getting some sort of help along the way.

    I hope that Crystal is able to do the type of music she wants to do and that is obviously her strength. It wouldn’t be a great idea to try and make her too commercial or mainstream, because that’s just trying to force her to be something she’s not all that comfortable with. But on the other hand, I think she does need to try and learn as much as she can about the music business from the people who are more established and who interested in working with her.

  108. gangreen29, if Crystal was willing to compromise her public image, she wouldn’t have come on Idol in dreads, and Idol gave plenty of opportunity to ‘go with the flow’ – and she didn’t. I don’t think you have a need to be so worried as you seem, from your posts.

    I know you enjoy her music, subjective as that is, so do other people, but the compromises she ‘was’ willing to make and may make in the future? NMB. The music will remain.

    It’s a shame to see you get so bent over something that hasn’t even happened…Crystal can be in charge of her own basic integrity, and decide for herself what that means, she has a good track record up to now.

    That’s JMO, of course

  109. That’s putting a lot of pressure on Crystal, to think that she can rise above her label and be herself and not care if she sells records or not. She went on AI, after all, and signed a contract with a label. I’m sure there’s at least a little compromising (or selling out, if we must call it that) when you make that kind of transaction.

    ETA: I do think she can maintain her integral identity and still compromise with the label. I just don’t think that a label will invest money in someone – a new artist – and let them stubbornly do whatever they want.

  110. If Crystal didn’t need help, she would have been successful without ever going on Idol. As far as I know, she wasn’t making any kind of a living as a musician prior to going on AI — no matter how good her music may have been.

    I didn’t say she didn’t need help. She did, she needed help in becoming exposed. Now she is, and what I’m saying is she doesn’t need the help of label heavy hitters to make good music, because she has already done that.

    It’s a shame to see you get so bent over something that hasn’t even happened…

    Im really not bent out of shape over it. I am not worried about what kind of music Crystal will make. Like I said I trust her instincts. What I don’t understand is the mindset of sympathizing with the labels that some people seem to have, or this notion that if she can’t cut it on Jive her music career is done with.

  111. Well if Crystal ends up being let go by Jive, I’ve no doubt some indie label would quickly pick her up. Personally I think she will have a long career, but with more critical than commercial success. Which is totally cool — I would think that as long as she is able to make a nice life for herself and her son playing music, she’ll be happy. If she becomes famous or sells zillions of records, that’s just a bonus.

  112. Incipit, really appreciate your insight and your rational observations, thanks.

    Just wondering, is it inconceivable that Jive think their interest is best served by letting Crystal do what she thinks will serve her music best. Why cant that go together? But be nice to me :) the little I know about the music industry, I´ve learned here

  113. Im really not bent out of shape over it. I am not worried about what kind of music Crystal will make. Like I said I trust her instincts. What I don’t understand is the mindset of sympathizing with the labels that some people seem to have, or this notion that if she can’t cut it on Jive her music career is done with.

    I don’t think anyone here has said if Crystal doesn’t make it with Jive her career would be done. I think enough of us who has followed their Idol has had quite a rude awakening of how the label does business. Adam has said in the music business there’s a lot of politics that goes on and I believe him and from what other Idols have said I have no doubt.

  114. It’s possible you’ve missed a lot of posts where the labels come in for plenty of excoriation – RCA, especially, has a dictionary of pejoratives attached to it. I have seen no sympathizing with the labels at all – just a reality check on what a legal and binding contract means – and what the advantages and disadvantages are to the parties that signed it. Crystal signed.

    Nobody said if she can’t cut it on Jive her music career is done with, either – so IDK where that is coming from – maybe you have a quote to throw in here?

    This stuff you don’t understand? It also hasn’t happened in any of these posts. What I read is – You trust her instincts, you don’t trust the label – welcome to the club of AI fans who don’t trust the Labels – and the nail biting wait for the album, and so sorry for your angst. But it is still all up to the artist, and what they chose to do, and at what cost – from signing forward.

    IMO, of course.

  115. It’s possible they would fully suport her artistic vision, but it doesn’t fit with past efforts by the labels that sign Idols. They tend to hedge their bets by insisting on co-writers or outside writers. But it is possible. It would just be a bit unprecedented. DC broke somewhat new ground to have been able to write as much of the album as he did. Perhaps they will let Crystal or Lee write it all. It just seems unlikely unless someone at their labels has fallen madly in love with them.

  116. Alex Lambert is playing at the Sunset Strip Music Festival 2010 this evening. He has a put together a band, Alex Lambert and the Light and will have a 3 – 4 song set.

    FYI: Samuel Larsen, who was Alex’s roommate during Hollywood Week S9 of American Idol is in his band. Also in the band Freddy & George Hill, a set of British identical twins (Jedward 2.0), Alex Treharne step brother to the twins & Oliver Lee. Together they look like a typical boyband. Wonder if 19 had anything to do with the selection of band members?

    The Roxy Theatre
    1:05-1:25 p.m. Ruby Tigers
    1:40-2:10 p.m. Juke Kartel
    2:25-2:55 p.m. Shuvel
    3:15-3:45 p.m. New Kingdom
    4:00-4:30 p.m. Cisco
    4:45-5:25 p.m. John West
    5:40-6:20 p.m. Nikki & Rich
    6:35-7:15 p.m. Alex Lambert
    7:30-8:00 p.m. Wicker
    8:15-8:45 p.m. Audible Mainframe
    10:00-10:40 p.m. Zen Robbi
    11:00-12 a.m. Tommorrows Bad Seeds

  117. For the label, but why should fans care? Worst case scenario is Crystal doesn’t make a second album with Jive, and signs with an indie label. We would still get music from Crystal… I guess I just don’t understand why so many fans really care what the label makes in profit lol. It really shouldn’t be about how famous your favorite becomes, but the quality of their music.

    Personally, I could careless if the label makes a cent. But for me it is a whole situation of “If a tree fell in the forest and no one was around to hear..” I’d rather an artist compromise do the one or two commercially viable songs on their album so that I could discover them from first hearing their style on the radio. I’ve bought 2 albums just this month of artists that didn’t top more than #30 (in fact one go no higher than 80) on the top 40 charts. My station played them, I liked what I heard and bought their albums. Its not at all about being “famous”

  118. Eriko, I’ll agree with Indymuse – it’s not their MO – I don’t think they deliberately set out to “Bice” an artist – but Labels do have a “Father Knows Best” mindset, and I’ve also seen what damage they can do to an artist that doesn’t fit in their ‘boxes’…

    I’d like to think they learn from experience, and that this economy has influenced how disposable they consider an artist they have signed – and that there is attention being paid when it’s someone with a smaller niche market – to know that going in.

    But, I don’t actually have a lot of faith in that “like to think” – unless the Bean Counters stage a coup – and point TPTB’s noses at the Bottom Line…and the idea of Sustainability.

    Maybe they have – we shall see.

    JMO, of course

  119. Just wondering, is it inconceivable that Jive think their interest is best served by letting Crystal do what she thinks will serve her music best. Why cant that go together? But be nice to me :) the little I know about the music industry, I´ve learned here

    Eriko, Adam has said many times that the label went to him and asked him what it is he wanted to do and that they did not want him to change who he was and he hasn’t, but he also said that there is some compromising involved because bottom line they want to make a profit on you. So I don’t think Crystal needs to worry about changing who she is and having what kind of music she wants to do but they will do whatever they need to do to make sure she will be marketable enough to the masses so people can hear and buy her music.

  120. Lol. Well, as a good American capitalist, I do actually think if peeps are in the music business, they should be in the music business — at least attempting to make some money out of it ;)

    But you don’t [own stock in Jive], and I’m sure none of us on here do, so I really don’t understand all this commiseration with the labels lol!

    I might, I suppose. Don’t read all the lists of stocks in my mutual funds, who knows I could have some shares in there of tons of things I don’t know about.

    But the fact is, a lot of investors and employees do have a stake in whether a business is profitable or not. For a record label, that includes the other artists who are signed to it and need to be associated to a healthy company that can support their careers over time. (Look at what happened to Bucky Covington for example, with Lyric Street shutting down and even the remnant that went to Disney pretty much hanging it up when Rascal Flatts jumped to Taylor Swift’s label.)

    If a major label were to just go about signing people for significant sums of money (as we read here is typical for winners and runners-up), and then let them record anything they want for a boutique audience that can’t possibly buy enough downloads / album copies to make the money back, who is that good for? It’s not like in Crystal’s case, you could reasonably expect her to be a huge concert draw or merchandise seller to offset any meagerness in her album sales.

    I think it’s clear for all of the four signed out of AI8 that both they and their labels were part of the decision processes for their albums, with varying degrees of results so far. None of them were king or queen to themselves. I’m not sure if Crystal truly expects to be in total control of everything, or why that would necessarily be a good idea vs. taking some input from people who have been around and helped artists succeed over the years.

    If her fans feel though that if she works too closely with her label, or does any music that seems too mainstream, she will be selling out, that’s got to be tricky when she is signed to a major label. Maybe she should have just passed on the AI contracts and gone indie from the beginning if that’s what she and her most committed fans really want to see.

  121. Eriko

    It’s possible that Jive will let Crystal do exactly what she wants to — but highly unlikely. Based on what has happened with Jordin, Archie, Kris and Allison, I don’t have high hopes for Jive managing Crystal correctly. They seem to have no clue on how to promote Allison or get her radio support, they botched the timing (and the choice) of Kris’s 2nd single (although they did fine in picking his 1st one) and they seemingly picked the wrong follow-up to “Crush” for Archie, as well (I’m waiting to see how they handlehis current single and subsequent album release). Jordin has had a bunch of radio hits, but her 2nd album has tanked.

    So Jive’s track record when it comes to dealing with Idols hasn’t been particularly good. Of course, they should get all of the blame for the results…

  122. So I don’t think Crystal needs to worry about changing who she is and having what kind of music she wants to do but they will do whatever they need to do to make sure she will be marketable enough to the masses so people can hear and buy her music.

    Sounds like a win-win situation, as it should be. Why it doesn´t turn out that way, more often than it does, beats me

  123. LOL, Matt

    ImMattGiraud

    #Soooo.. My song came on in the elevator.. Then @KrisAllen !! what are the odds??! Makes me happy 3 minutes ago via Echofon

  124. So Jive’s track record when it comes to dealing with Idols hasn’t been particularly good. Of course, they should get all of the blame for the results…

    To me (yeah I´m green) it looks like Jive knows neither business or music. That combination would equal death of a company imo, what am I missing?

  125. Lol. Well, as a good American capitalist, I do actually think if peeps are in the music , they should be in the music business – at least attempting to make some money out of it

    Well Steph, I think that is the point where we just are never going to agree I guess. I think money should never be a primary concern to an artist, and I guess that is where I most disagree with y’all.

  126. To me (yeah I´m green) it looks like Jive knows neither business or music. That combination would equal death of a company imo, what am I missing?

    Britney Spears, Usher, Justin Timberlake, Chris Brown (b4 the Rihanna scandal) & Pink. I think Jive is doing OK.

  127. I think money should never be a primary concern to an artist, and I guess that is where I most disagree with y’all.

    Gangreen29, no one said it was a primary concern – so I don’t know who you are disagreeing with. Also, I suppose I am past the point of being that idealistic or thinking in such absolutes. If money isn’t of some concern to Crystal, that secure future she wants for her son will have trouble materializing – and all the time spent away from him will be for naught – but it is hardly a primary concern, to any artist. It’s about balance. I think perhaps her own life experience has given her a realistic viewpoint – or she would never have signed the contract. And “should”? That does not compute. ;)

    JMO.

  128. If money isn’t of some concern to Crystal, that secure future she wants for her son will have trouble materializing – and all the time spent away from him will be for naught – but it is hardly a primary concern, to any artist.

    A secure future for her son does not mean she has to be a huge concert draw or merchandiser seller, which yes a person right above you believes. From the money she has made off idol she has pretty much already secured a future for her son.

    – but it is hardly a primary concern, to any artist.

    I really really disagree with you here.

  129. “…but it is hardly a primary concern, to any artist.”

    I really really disagree with you here.

    *chuckle* Well good, we finally found something we can legitimately disagree about.

    Define “artist” and then point me to the people who are in the music business primarily for the money, who also fall under that definition. I didn’t say ‘entertainer’ – I said “artist”. They have to have never done a charity benefit, or worked for the cred and the rep – it’s gotta be primarily about the money. Who might they be?

    I do foresee problems, though – since we cannot know another person’s motivation, we can only see their actions. ;)

    IMO. of course.

    ETA – There are websites that will answer the average cost of raising a child to age 18 in 2010 – and including college – It’s in the 100’s of thousands…so I’m going to disagree, from experience – that the future for Little Tony is secured yet – although surely well on it’s way. If Crystal has a contract worth 100’s of thousands of dollars – it is still subject to recoupment.

  130. Lol…almost 3 pages of pretty much just talk about Crystal’s first album, when the headline is about the pre-concert activities tomorrow and not her album at all ;)

    Anyways, I agree with the thought that Crystal is pretty stubborn about what she puts out music wise and probably will fight a lot to make exactly the music she wants to. May or may not be good, we’ll have to see – they may totally push back against her wishes and give her a bunch of crap to sing and refuse to release anything else. However it’s also worth remembering a few other things – Crystal did have the first use of an original song during the show, for the video of her homecoming. Also, there was the quote by Simon Fuller that she’s the best songwriter they’ve ever had on the show. Those things do set something of a precedent for allowing her freedom in writing and recording her own material – TPTB acknowledge her skill in that realm at least. Yes, of course, the producers of the show are different than her management and label, but still.

    And what’s this about her already having signed on to open for Franti? I read that somewhere the other day too and here it is again – when did that come about?

  131. Actually, she was not the first to have an original song used during the show, just the first during her run. Besides the people who come back later to debut songs on their albums, David Cook’s pre-Idol song A Daily AntheM was used in the audition stages of season 8 for major shots of the crowds. That was the first use of a pre-Idol song that I know of on the show, though it was after he won.

    When/where did Simon Fuller say she was the best songwriter they’d ever had? I don’t recall reading that anywhere.

  132. I’m late to this discussion (its breakfast-time here in NZ) but thought this ad in TaxiMusic on their 15 Aug update is pertinent to this discussion of how Jive may be seeing Crystal (it turned up last week on another forum.)

    A tweet by Crystal back Aug 24 said

    @TAXIMusic sorry. Not happening.

    in reply to a TaxiMusic tweet

    Due 8/26: FEMALE ROCK SONGS a la @crystalbowersox, needed by a Sr. VP of A&R at a Major Label for American Idol’s… http://tw0.us/MhP 9:50 AM Aug 25th via SocialOomph

    which takes you to http://www.taxi.com/industry.php?cid=ONTWXX00000001#rro
    and this ad in their Rock Listings

    CONTEMPORARY FEMALE ROCK SONGS a la Crystal Bowersox, needed by a Sr. VP of A&R at a Major Label for American Idol’s recent runner-up. Think a modern day Janis Joplin or contemporary Melissa Etheridge. They are looking for songs with hit radio potential. An edgy and soulful, yet fresh approach to your lyric theme, along with a memorable hook line are very essential here. Vocal and instrumental demo arrangement must sound current and be top-notch! Please submit one to three songs online or per CD, include lyrics. All submissions will be screened and critiqued by TAXI and must be received no later than Thursday, August 26, 2010.

    A comment, the page this ad is on can only be found via the link tweeted on the Taxi twitter, if you go directly into Taxi you find a different page without the ad (http://www.taxi.com/industry.php?cid=ONTWXX00000001#fro). Initially I suspected a hoax but came to the conclusion the twitter link is to a members’ only page.

    I’m very new to all the ins and outs of making a record – is this kind of solicitation usual? I gather TaxiMusic are a reputable agency for finding songs.

    Just out of interest there’s also one for Lee under Singer-songwriter

    CONTEMPORARY MALE SINGER-SONGWRITER-type SONGS a la LEE DEWYZE, etc., needed by Sr. VP of A&R at a Major label for last season’s American Idol winner. Very high bar on this one – your songs must be automatically memorable, both lyrically and melodically. A solid song structure plus an authentic tone is really important here! Vocal and instrumental demo presentation must be top-notch! Please submit two to three songs online or per CD, include lyrics/photo/bio. All submissions will be screened and critiqued by TAXI and must be received no later than Friday, August 20, 2010.

  133. Lol…almost 3 pages of pretty much just talk about Crystal’s first album,

    Ach. You’re right, Mozart. And I’m not even all that interested – just an exercise in logic. *Laughing at myself* I’ll take myself off now. ;) You folks enjoy.

  134. Well Steph, I think that is the point where we just are never going to agree I guess. I think money should never be a primary concern to an artist, and I guess that is where I most disagree with y’all.

    As others have pointed out, I didn’t say it was the “primary” concern.

    But it seems quite odd to me that someone would accept a contract (presumably for hundreds of thousands of dollars) with a major music label and subsequently entertain no thoughts of seeking to make choices that would contribute to their personal financial interests. And with no thought or care that the label to whom you presumably owe some contractual duties has a chance to at least break even if not, heaven forbid, make a nice capitalist profit.

    Profit == jobs/fees for record label employees plus misc. musicians, producers, technicians, songwriters, etc; profit == keeping other artists on the roster; profit == being able to interest and keep investors to keep the label’s ship afloat; profit == better chances for a second album; profit == good reputation helping to get better tour and appearance opportunities. Profit == all kinds of goodness, it’s the American way ;)

    If someone’s truly not in it for the money, or their fans will be upset if they try to make money by working with rather than sticking it to their label, singing on the streetcorner would seem just the ticket or at an arty college coffeehouse. Though even there, they usually put out a tip jar, I believe.

  135. Well Jive didn’t sign Crystal for their health, or as a favour, or to nuture the cutting edge talent…of someone coming off a karaoke show.

    By going on AI Crystal already showed she was willing to compromise, to whatever degree, to get famous enough to get herself out there musically. She signed up to do pointy poses and Ford commericals, not be able to sing what she wanted, or say exactly what she wanted it. I mean I sincerely doubt that Crystal was all up about the commericals and lip synched cheesefests that are group sings. But she signed up for it, and did it, as well she should and good for her

    And yeah, she signed a contract with a music company that will making an album for her, and she knows full well they expect to see a return on that investment and yes, she is going to have to compromise, to whatever degree, to achieve that. She’s not dumb. She knows that is going to happen. And given the history of AI albums and the degrees of intererence, and the amount of input they allow their artists? Yeah, it’s going to happen, even to Crystal. Now how much? Eh. That’s to be determined. And how overproduced it sounds at the end (and every. single. AI album I’ve heard is overproduced to one degree or another…sigh) or how commerical it will be, may yet be determined. And I’m sure Crystal will be working to maintain her musical vision, just like every other AI person before her, who had one, and in the end parts of that will come through, parts will not. The only question again, is how much will be effected, not if.

  136. Lol. Well, as a good American capitalist, I do actually think if peeps are in the music , they should be in the music business – at least attempting to make some money out of it

    The entertainment business is not always fair and some artists that become rich and famous are just a puzzlement to me and seemed to have just plain lucked out. But most artists have to work their tails off for any kind of success, even mediocre success, and they do what it takes to stay in the business. It’s what the label expects of them if they expect any backing from their label. It doesn’t come easy and compromises have to be made. But they do it because they love music and can’t imagine doing anything else. Far as I know, this is true of every Idol success story. It will be true of any successful career from season 9 too.

  137. And with no thought or care that the label to whom you presumably owe some contractual duties has a chance to at least break even if not, heaven forbid, make a nice capitalist profit.

    It is Crystal’s job as the musician to make the best quality music possible, I would hope her concern would not be how to make as much money back for a large corporation. Like you mentioned she has already made the money in the hundreds of thousands in advances, that is money that does not have to be returned to Jive, so why should it be her concern for Jive to turn a profit? Also, again, I see no reason why as a fan I should be concerned with Crystal making a profit for Jive? Sometimes it feels like the record labels have effectively maneuvered many in the idol bubble to some type of Stockholm Syndrome.

  138. The reality of the situation when you sign with a record company, especially a major record company, is that you are suppose to make music that people will want to buy. If you don’t make a profit, you will eventually be let go and be replaced with someone who can. They don’t care who you are or what your life story is, if you don’t produce, As much as Crystal wants to do her music and keep the sound she has now, the question has to be asked, who’s going to buy her music. She don’t want to end up like Allison, with a badly selling album and no hit singles at all.

  139. CONTEMPORARY TEEN/YOUNG ADULT POP SONGS a la The Jonas Brothers meets Adam Lambert, etc., needed by an Indie label for a newly signed Male solo artist. Guitar oriented songs with strong, melodic choruses that also have meaningful, personal lyrics are very important! Please no Rock submissions, they are looking for Pop melodies. They prefer to hear songs with live tracks played by real musicians. Vocal and instrumental demo presentation must be top-notch! Please submit one to three songs online or per CD, include lyrics. All submissions will be screened on a YES/NO BASIS – NO CRITIQUES FROM TAXI – and must be received no later than Thursday, August 26, 2010.

    LOL, What is this taxi.com? I googled it and kept coming up that it is a scam!

  140. From the money she has made off idol she has pretty much already secured a future for her son.

    ETA – There are websites that will answer the average cost of raising a child to age 18 in 2010 – and including college – It’s in the 100’s of thousands…so I’m going to disagree, from experience – that the future for Little Tony is secured yet – although surely well on it’s way.

    Not to mention something called t-a-x-e-s :) I thought they grossed maybe a hundred thousand or so on Idol including the tour, perhaps a bit more (or less this year, with the curtailed tour and lower ticket sales). And then whatever she got by signing, for which she has some obligations to the label, and for which also she’s presumably subject to the recoupment factor I read about here.

    So yeah, hard to figure that she could consider herself sooooo wealthy now as to not have a care about her financial future or her child’s, and to have no interest in whether her album has any chance to be financially successful for herself or her label.

    Like you mentioned she has already made the money in the hundreds of thousands in advances, that is money that does not have to be returned to Jive, so why should it be her concern for Jive to turn a profit?

    Wow. So she should just be in it to take the money and run, without any concern to work with her label to produce a successful project? Who would be the real mercenary then, an artist who would do that or their label who put up the money to sign them in good faith. And can’t imagine that would put her in good stead to get signed with anyone else down the road. Even an indie company probably would have something modestly at risk when they decide whether to sign a contract with a new artist.

    Also, again, I see no reason why as a fan I should be concerned with Crystal making a profit for Jive? Sometimes it feels like the record labels have effectively maneuvered many in the idol bubble to some type of Stockholm Syndrome.

    I don’t know that her fans have to care. It just interests me that some seem almost opposed to her making an album that has any kind of commercial appeal or financially beneficial result. Hard to figure what the win-win answer is for that when she signed for significant dollars with a major record label and at least some of her most committed fans feel that way.

  141. IndyMuse:
    08/28/2010 at 2:23 pm
    Interesting questions, karenkc. I think some have come in with no writing experience and needed co-writers or writers. Others recently have the experience and might do well with their own writing. I biasedly think DC never needed a co-writer, but some of the results have still been fantastic. It’s hard to tell if giving someone big-name co-writers is a sign of confidence or not; and if letting them write it all themselves is a sign of confidence or not. It may differ from artist to artist

    The thing with DC is that I can definately hear his influence in the songs he wrote for DCTR, even though he did have some cowriters, when I listen to his pre-idol songs. Even with Paper Heart I can see the progression. So even though he does have cowriters, I think he does still do a great deal of the writing.

    Whatever is going on, I think he sounds really happy about how this cd is going.

  142. Ooops, I noticed I misspoke on my earlier post, which I can’t seem to edit

    It should read Jive should NOT receive all the blame (not should receive all the blame)

    *facepalm*

  143. and for which also she’s presumably subject to the recoupment factor I read about here.

    Like I just explained, she is not subject to a recruitment on any advances she has made. If the album sells nothing, Jive is in the red and Crystal just walks away with no additional royalties. It may not be enough money for you, but I would think many would be able to live fine off that money. Also, just from appearances and things idols like George Huff are on record that they can have made 6 figure salaries every year since idol, and that is money the record companies can’t touch.

  144. Crystal chose to use a mainstream pop culture show to gain attention and a major label contract. She already compromised her “musical integrity”.

    She can of course refuse to compromise at all with her label. I believe Kelly Clarkson did that and ended up with her album locked away half a year then scarcely promoted to radio after. The first season of Idol Nikki M. fought their desire to turn country. She ended up in lawsuit for years unable to release any music.

    I certainly don’t know the details of their contracts but I am going to suggest it’s possible a clause exists that would protect them from signing an Idol alum only to have them wave goodbye after pocketing the advance money. If it was that simple wouldn’t Crystal have taken the money and run by now; If we assume she has no interest in commercial success.

    Also scanning comments and would have to say I disgree that the struggles of a former contestant all be faulted on a label. Labels make mistakes but sometimes people fail because they don’t connect or their music doesn’t connect. I’m not willing to say every Idol signed to Jive, RCA or any other label was mistreated.

  145. She can of course refuse to compromise at all with her label. I believe Kelly Clarkson did that and ended up with her album locked away half a year then scarcely promoted to radio after.

    And Kelly was still very proud of that album. My favorite quote of hers about the controversy was “I’ve sold more than 15 million records worldwide, and still nobody listens to what I have to say. I couldn’t give a crap about being a star. I’ve always just wanted to sing and write.” I’m glad Kelly took a stand because My December is my favorite idol album of all time, and I think of it as a success.

  146. Kelly was also very rich and established when she chose to do that with the luxury of several defenders in media and the industry rising to her defense. When she was in Crystal’s position…she compromised.

  147. And here is a funny response to that “review”:

    Bream does not know what talent is. The paragraph about Glambert and his eyeliner pretty much says it all. Bream thinks makeup and glitter trump talent – wrong.

  148. And here is a funny response to that “review”:

    Bream does not know what talent is. The paragraph about Glambert and his eyeliner pretty much says it all. Bream thinks makeup and glitter trump talent – wrong.

    This is not the first review that mentions Adam with S9. He also mentions Allison:

    There wasn’t anyone onstage Friday night who could carry Adam Lambert’s eyeliner or Allison Iraheta’s hair dye.

    I think Crystal may think Adam has some talent:

    crystalbowersox:
    @adamlambert I hear ya. When we gonna sing together? Tell Allison I said hi.;) 12:23 PM Jun 29th via Twitter for Android in reply to adamlambert

  149. Startribune has its review in, it’s not pretty except for Casey ..
    http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/music/101704043.html?elr=KArksD:aDyaEP:kD:aUnOiP3UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

    Even Casey got the ax in his review.
    When I saw the name of the reviewer, Jon Bream, I knew what kind of review to expect. I don’t like this music critic. He comes off as narrow minded. Since he saw Kris performing while sick he has been naming him the underserving idol; sorry I just have contempt for him

  150. IndyMuse:
    08/28/2010 at 5:17 pm
    Actually, she was not the first to have an original song used during the show, just the first during her run. Besides the people who come back later to debut songs on their albums, David Cook’s pre-Idol song A Daily AntheM was used in the audition stages of season 8 for major shots of the crowds. That was the first use of a pre-Idol song that I know of on the show, though it was after he won.

    When/where did Simon Fuller say she was the best songwriter they’d ever had? I don’t recall reading that anywhere.

    And that’s exactly what I meant, during her run – not a song recorded by them used on the show during a subsequent season. I carefully read that whole discussion of “was my Idol the first to do *this*?”

    As for the Simon Fuller quote, I should have the source for that one, but I’m not sure where to go to find it. It’s out there though – maybe even in her press release from her label? I’m not sure exactly where it was, but it was pretty prominently mentioned somewhere.

  151. From what I have read of Jon Bream’s reviews of the Idols over the years, he’s been critical of a majority of them. As for Season 9 Idols he didn’t come off as narrow minded to me, he sounds like a man who can’t stand mediocre singers and performers. What he said is nothing more than other critics have written. He’s seen the idols on the show and on tour, it’s just his opinion that they are a waste of a good three hours. With only a few shows left, the Idols can start to prepare for their lives after the tour. The ones who are doing albums will have to endure something a lot worse than a few critics, which is fighting other releasing artist for the paying public’s money. In the end, it’s going to be the buyers who determine how good the Idols music is, by buying it or getting the other guy’s album.

  152. Like I just explained, she is not subject to a recruitment on any advances she has made. If the album sells nothing, Jive is in the red and Crystal just walks away with no additional royalties. It may not be enough money for you, but I would think many would be able to live fine off that money.

    As I mentioned before, the taxman will be looking for a share so what she receives isn’t what she can actually spend. Plus there are things related to her career expenses that, as I understand it, she is supposed to pay for herself vs. living off the label’s largesse.

    Yes, understood she would not have to “give back” the recoupment even if her album never made a penny, which almost is sounding like the goal to prove that she has artistic cred.

    Just interesting that some would feel before her album is even out, that it’s unimportant that she even try to make album profitable enough to pay down against the advance. And it’s not just the advance. A country site was citing recently that it took a half to a full million dollars to launch a new artist, and that’s country. Not where Jive would be trying to compete in launching anyone they think can be a mainstream artist.

    If I were a record label and artists signed to me treated their advances like entitlement fees rather than part of a true two-way business / artistic relationship, I doubt I would be very happy. Nor would I be in business for long, obviously, unless I was operating off donations as a charitable foundation for artists of pure and noble musical intent who prefer to be commercially unviable as a matter of principle. Hmm.

  153. HOLY TOLEDO SING-ALONG – You can join a “serenade to Crystal” on Sunday afternoon at The Huntington Center. The Mamasox Village Idiots are planning to sing “Holy Toledo” to Crystal as she steps off the tour bus. This will happen at approximately 2pm in the bus loading area at Huntington Center; you’re asked to show up a little early for some practice runs!

    How fucking cool is this! Damn, I sure would love to be there.

  154. Jon Bream? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    He’s like the Kryponite to non-fanwarring on mj. Seriously, whatever to that review, whatevahs. And I say this as someone who (his Kris hate aside) pretty much agrees with the guy. But yeah, I think he’s just all fanwarry (yes, I made up that word) and ugh.

  155. ouch on the Jon Bream article, pretty harsh even for the AI9 crew.

  156. When I read a review like the Star Tribune’s, I just roll my eyes. Nothing would have made him happy. He obviously didn’t want to be there so his words mean absolutely nothing to me.

  157. mozart4898:
    As for the Simon Fuller quote, I should have the source for that one, but I’m not sure where to go to find it. It’s out there though – maybe even in her press release from her label? I’m not sure exactly where it was, but it was pretty prominently mentioned somewhere.

    It’s right here: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/crystal-bowersox-signs-to-19-recordingsjive-records-96815684.html
    … although he doesn’t say that she is the best songwriter to have graced the Idol stage – he says she is one of the best….

    “Crystal is one of the most naturally gifted and talented singer songwriters to have ever come out of Idol,” says Simon Fuller. “The breadth of her talent is inspiring.

  158. MJ, you can delete this if you think you should but I’m just gonna get this off my chest:

    someone (or several someones) who reads this blog has been making personal attacks on me over at ontd_ai under the cover of anonymity on their “Saturday Secrets” post. Whoever you are, cut it the f*** out. You want to disagree with what I post, that’s fine. What’s not fine is the continual personal attacks. It’s not only childish, it is downright nasty. There’s a reason why MJ doesn’t allow personal attacks on other posters on this site — and it is cowardly to simply go on another site that is stupid enough to allow that type of crap.

    that’s all.

  159. girlygirl:

    I haven’t posted for a few days, but just want to say I enjoy your input on MJ’s. :) Plus you are a great Kris fan!!!!

  160. iluvai

    Thanks, I appreciate that. I know I can get argumentative in my posts, and I can even agree that sometimes I might appear to be “passive-aggressive”. But that still doesn’t mean I — or anyone else — should be subjected to personal attacks — especially not by some anonymous person who has never met me or has a clue about what I am like.

    I appreciate that nearly every poster has responded to me in a fair way and don’t take potshots, even when they might loudly disagree with me. It’s unfortunate that there is one or two, however, who feel they have the right to make personal attacks on someone they don’t know.

  161. Funny, because I say much more negative comments about Adam here and nary a screenshot. Of course I say negative things about everyone. Score one for the blanket of negativity!
    w00t!(as the young people of the 1990s would say).

    Anyhew, getting back to S9, I rooted for Crystal to win (well, relatively speaking of course), but no, I don’t think she is that great a songwriter or vocalist. I root for her (and Casey) to succeed, but I don’t think she’s soooo much beyond other contestants of the past who have had a hand in writing their own music –well as much as they were allowed to. *kicks AI machine*

  162. girlygirl:

    You are a kind and very diplomatic person.

    Truthi:

    You make it interesting though! :)

  163. girlygirl, your a great Kris fan and your good to Adam fans too. I hope it was not an Adam fan because that would not make sense.

  164. mozart4898

    And what’s this about her already having signed on to open for Franti? I read that somewhere the other day too and here it is again – when did that come about?

    I think I’m the one who’s mentioned this twice. If you go to yesterday’s headlines and read the article from the Toledo Blade re: Crystal, it talks about this, as well as having a link to the festival which has a link on left for the line-up. Crystal is listed on there. :D It’s a one time thing in Sept./Oct.? Can’t remember.

  165. But that still doesn’t mean I — or anyone else — should be subjected to personal attacks — especially not by some anonymous person who has never met me or has a clue about what I am like.

    The personal attacks always confound me, really. I’ve never quite understood how you can personally attack someone you don’t even know… it’s very odd.

  166. Girlygirl, don’t listen to those people! I know we butt heads but you are a great poster! I feel your pain though, I have had very nasty things written about me on other boards because of what I write here, but I kind of take it as a compliment since they feel like they need to run to another board and talk about me instead of facing me head on! I think MJs has some of the most intelligent and thought provoking posters and it just drives some people crazy!

  167. Thanks gangreen29! I know you and I argue alot, but I always respect your opinion and think that you make a lot of good points (even if I don’t always agree!). Maybe I should do what you do and look at this as a compliment — but TBH, it just really ticks me off.

  168. Inconnu:
    08/28/2010 at 8:26 pm
    It’s right here: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/crystal-bowersox-signs-to-19-recordingsjive-records-96815684.html
    … although he doesn’t say that she is the best songwriter to have graced the Idol stage – he says she is one of the best….

    “Crystal is one of the most naturally gifted and talented singer songwriters to have ever come out of Idol,” says Simon Fuller. “The breadth of her talent is inspiring.

    Thanks for doing the legwork on that one for me ;) I knew it was out there, I just wasn’t sure where to find it (I’m usually a really good internet searcher but I wouldn’t have known where to look for that and it was just one quote…not something easy to track down.) And I’ll admit the phrase “one of the most” in there does kinda dilute it somewhat. But still, nice words coming from someone like him.

    cookcricket:
    08/28/2010 at 9:55 pm
    I think I’m the one who’s mentioned this twice. If you go to yesterday’s headlines and read the article from the Toledo Blade re: Crystal, it talks about this, as well as having a link to the festival which has a link on left for the line-up. Crystal is listed on there. It’s a one time thing in Sept./Oct.? Can’t remember.

    Hey, one time thing or not, it’s nice to see her getting other gigs now after the tour already. Hopefully just one of many things to come.

  169. wow girlygirl, that’s surprising. As a poster you have a lot of fairplay, judgment and respect for others, in summary a successful poster and some people just can’t stand that! Just take the high road on this one.

  170. Even if I may not agree with what you write all the time Girlygirl, personal attacks are never warranted- sorry to hear that. I guarantee it isn’t a Danny fan, we would be scared stiff to set foot on an ONTD board :lol:

    Startribune has its review in, it’s not pretty except for Casey ..

    Ah, even my boy Casey got blasted with Bream saying his voice wasn’t good- was “generic”.

    Bream says some very astute things sometimes, but I agree he is over the top mean sometimes. I’m not even a huge Kris fan, but that review he wrote previously was just so mean I discounted it completely. He does seem like he wants to kick up fanwarring (perhaps he wants a lot of hits on his articles).

  171. I guarantee it isn’t a Danny fan, we would be scared stiff to set foot on an ONTD board :lol:

    Haha. I’ve lurked there on a rare occasion or two, but never posted, so yeah — that’s probably a fair statement. With very few exceptions as I know there are a few Danny fans who somehow survive there as regular posters.

  172. mozart4898: I just googled Crystal Bowersox/Simon Fuller and came to the quote right away. It still a very nice quote… I’m hoping for great things coming out of Crystal.

  173. I just got caught up reading all the post today.. and can only add this to the conversation..Bucky Covington and Josh Gracin, Taylor Hicks, Bo Bice. What do these have to do with the conversation, simple, it’s to dispel the theory that after parting company with a label even after having a modicum of success, that other label are beating down your door to siign you. For most artist it is a one shot deal.

    Also to add a little realism to this money discussion.. Is been said that the AI contestants make about 100,000 from the show ( think it is a bit less), about 200,000 from the tour (less this year) and as runner up 175,000 signing fee. I think all these figures probably have to be ratched down due to decreased downloads and merchandise sales…

    100000
    200000
    175000
    ——–
    475000
    -71250 mgmt fees
    ——–
    403750
    -133237 Fed Taxes
    -24225 State Taxes (ohio)
    ———
    246248

    So you can see this so-called windfall starts to look more like a draft and definitely not enough to live on the rest of you life. I also don’t think they get all this money at one time.

  174. So you can see this so-called windfall starts to look more like a draft and definitely not enough to live on the rest of you life. I also don’t think they get all this money at one time.

    Sobering statistics, certain1. And with the stock market in the tubes, you can’t even count on tucking a good portion away for returns.

    The music industry is not for the faint-hearted, that is for sure.

  175. Indigobunting:

    Ah, even my boy Casey got blasted with Bream saying his voice wasn’t good- was “generic”.

    WTF does Bream want, Luciano bloody Pavarotti? He can kiss my fanny.

    I’m tellin’ ya, he’s a failed musician.

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