Pia Toscano Reportedly to Sign with Interscope Records (Update: Not So Fast...)

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Update from Eonline:

Toscano’s rep tells us that chatter about a done deal is “all rumor,” but E! News has learned that while a record contract hasn’t been signed just yet, Interscope does want to produce a single with Toscano and release it while American Idol is still on.

19 Management has yet to approve this, however.

Once 19 Management figures out their marketing plan for Toscano, though, Interscope Records exec Jimmy Iovine wants to get her in the studio to record a single asap, according to an Idol insider.

REPORTEDLY is the key word here. Basically its entertainment sites posting unconfirmed rumors. Nothing official yet.

US Magazine is reporting that recently ousted American Idol contestant, Pia Toscano will be signed to Interscope records ASAP:

The 22-year-old New Yorker — booted from the Fox series Thursday — will record her debut album under the Interscope Records imprint, which is chaired by Idol mentor Jimmy Iovine.

“Pia is being signed to a deal with Interscope Records who are rushing her into the studio to record an album ASAP,” a source familiar with the contract talks tells Us. “Starting [Thursday] night after the show, Interscope told her they wanted her and first thing [Friday] morning Interscope brass started calling every top songwriter and producer in town to get an album together and rush release it.”

As for the contract, the insider says, “Papers are being finalized. It’s basically a done deal. She’s signing. They rushed everything but she’s so excited.”

UMG seems keen on striking when the iron is hot, but will the interests of the record label clash with what’s best for American Idol, the television show?

Will rushing out an album from a 9th place finisher diminish the impact of the eventual winner? Shouldn’t the Idol who takes the crown get first crack at the marketplace? If winning doesn’t matter at all, what incentive does that give Idol contestants to compete hard for the prize?

What do you guys think?

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  • SpenserJ

    Shouldn’t the Idol who takes the crown get first crack at the marketplace?

    Yes. I don’t care when they sign them, or when they have them start working on their albums. But, I definitely think the winner should get the first release date. After that, let the chips fall where they may.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Ohh, I wonder if she will sing songs from her debut album on tour? That would be smart. I also wonder if they will have her CDs available for sale on the tour.

    When does the tour start? Is there enough time? I guess they could get a single out.

  • LadyBeBop

    Is this going to be a full album or just a several song set? And will they rush the first single out…possibly in the next two or three weeks?

    I’m anticipating a single before the first of May. I think I remember Jimmy wanting to rush their first singles out immediately.

    ETA…I agree, she should sing her first single on the tour. But, as the 9th place finisher, she should only get a couple of songs on the tour. I remember, in previoius years feeling disappointed that some of my faves who barely made tour only getting a couple of songs.

  • Fullmoon

    OMG!! happy dance happy dance. LMAO American Idol is so full of shit. Rumors from the beginning suggested TPTB had their eye on Pia. Now the million dollar question is why take her out so early. Let me think about it and yes I do believe Idol is RIGGED.

  • blmetsfan

    I bet she’ll have a radio single out before the season is even over.

  • Elliegrll

    I knew Pia would be signed, but they are cheapening the season by announcing it before the season is over. They should have revealed that she is releasing a song, before the tour starts, and saved the signing news until later. Now, it just looks like they want her more than they want the winner.

    In reality, I guess the truth was bound to get out, and most people could guess that she would be a favorite to get signed, but it still would have been better to wait, and make an effort to keep it quiet that Pia is working on an album. The fact that they are letting it out, and rushing things, also makes it look like that they are just trying to capitalize off of her AI fame, and may not do everything that they can to develop her as a legitimate artist.

    I also think we can look forward to more than just two or three people from the top 9 releasing EPs through Interscope.

  • abl890

    If true thats great for her. Hopefully she’ll get the right people to help her progress and be successful.

  • lili_anne7

    YAY! I’m so happy for her. I don’t think her releasing an album before the winner will be a problem b/c she is targeting a different market then say Scotty, James, Casey, or Lauren.

  • tripp_ncwy

    There is still incentive to win the show since the winner is the only one guaranteed a contract. It should kick start the participants to excel & impress Jimmy & the producers so if you don’t win, you increase your chances to get signed. The show changed that you no longer have to impress the judges or the viewing public but you only need to impress Jimmy & the producers and ignore everything else.

  • ptslittlecomment

    I hope they remember what happened with Kristy Lee Cook’s rushed CD which took her four days ” Four WHOLE days!” to cut.

  • bridgette12

    I have no problem with them signing Pia to a contract. That’s good for her and that was the reason why she went on the show. But she should be worried about the part where they are going to try to rush and get a album out quickly. I am going to assume that the biggest songwriters are just going to offer up some songs they already got written, she records and a album is thrown out there.

  • TheOther

    Will rushing out an album from a 9th place finisher diminish the impact of the eventual winner? Shouldn’t the Idol who takes the crown get first crack at the marketplace? If winning doesn’t matter at all, what incentive does that give Idol contestants to compete hard for the prize?

    But at this point, what comes around, goes around. Pia without a doubt did not deserve to be eliminated. In American Idol land, there is no such thing as fair play anymore. Besides, looking at the past few years, winning has actually turned out to be the AI jinx. If Pia can score a record deal with a major label without going through the grueling and obviously bias AI process, I would say she wins in the long run.

  • lac123

    I see semi pro and several cons to this.

    Pros: Pia gets a record out and may or may not do well. If it does great then Idol can push her as a girl who is succeeding, she has world domination, etc.

    Cons: Obviously diminishes the eventual winner and hurts the idol philosophy. If it’s a rush job then the final product may appear half assed. Also, people were not voting for Pia. If she wasn’t connecting during the season, what will make people actually buy the record? Right now the elimination is big news but will people actually remember her in a month (or want to shell out money)? I can barely remember any of the eliminated contestants this season and it’s only been a few weeks.

    Also, will everyone else who has a semi shocking elimination going to get an album or single? This may lead to idol saturation which I think overall hurts the brand as usually the contestants have one offs and don’t actually further the idol brand as producing serious music acts.

  • lla2827

    I think I remember reading that Pia was may have been a plant from Interscope. So, if she was, I am not surprised by this news in the least.

    I think that TPTB struck some sort of a deal with Interscope which allows them to get certain contestants music out there immediately while there is still buzz. It is smart from a business sales point.

    Is it good for the show? I don’t know about that. AI is about voting your fave to the winning slot so he/she will get a record deal. After that–others who do well may get one as well. So, it keeps viewers invested in the show. Now, it could be like–why even bother voting.

    I am happy for Pia–but they should have waited until the show was over and the winner is signed.

  • bean99

    I’m happy for Pia if this is true. I’m not sure if it matters if they wait for the winner to have 1st release because you’re either going to buy their album or not. Most people don’t limit themselves to just one but will get their favorites. I don’t think Pia will be up against any of the potential top 3 for radio time either (if any of them get it) because none of the likely ones are in the same genre as her.

  • Q3

    They could actually have a single out from a contestant before the season is over and her album out before they start to tour. That’s a great promotional platform for a new artist. A built in arena tour.

    Guess winning doesn’t really matter that much anymore.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Since Jimmy has been working with the contestants, I wonder if he’s been looking for songs for his favorites since the beginning? If so, Pia’s album might fare better than Kristy Lee Cook’s. I bet you Pia gets a Tedder song.

  • Fullmoon

    I knew Pia would be signed, but they are cheapening the season by announcing it before the season is over. They should have revealed that she is releasing a song, before the tour starts, and saved the signing news until later. Now, it just looks like they want her more than they want the winner.

    Winners of Idols are safe and less than controversial. They have to fit the “crown”. I think they have plans for Pia. I never got why people thought she will only put out ballads. They are going to hook her up with the r&b/rapper collab.

  • bridgette12

    Fullmoon says:

    04/09/2011 at 12:39 pm
    Winners of Idols are safe and less than controversial. They have to fit the “crown”. I think they have plans for Pia. I never got why people thought she will only put out ballads. They are going to hook her up with the r&b/rapper collab.

    Sure that might work if they can take the pageant out her performances.

  • cheese

    Hmm, I wonder if they’ll sign Lauren and/or Haley immediately if they are eliminated within the next couple of weeks? If they can make a success out of one of the girls, maybe the sausage fest won’t seem like such an issue. Maybe they’ll have Pia perform her single on the finale while the male winner gets saddled with something like “This is my Now.”

    Does Pia write at all? I guess they’ll probably just throw something together really quickly and maybe give her leftovers from other artists albums.

  • gangreen29

    Will rushing out an album from a 9th place finisher diminish the impact of the eventual winner? Shouldn’t the Idol who takes the crown get first crack at the marketplace? If winning doesn’t matter at all, what incentive does that give Idol contestants to compete hard for the prize?

    I think the winner will have their album come out pretty quickly too, so I don’t see a big deal. Pia isn’t a typical 9th place finisher. Everyone in the general public already believes that you don’t need to win to be successful, but people are starting to believe you can’t be successful no matter where you place off idol. Pia becoming successful would be nothing but beneficial to the show.

  • lili_anne7

    They are going to hook her up with the r&b/rapper collab.

    Yep. I expect a pop/R&B album with some dance tracks and power ballads. If she gets a collab with an r&b artist or rapper, that would be a bonus. Hopefully Jimmy can make that happen.

  • girlygirl

    Not surprised Pia will get signed. But hopefully they won’t release anything until after the show ends because that’s not fair to the other contestants (not that I expect Interscope or 19 to care about that). Also, rush releasing stuff usually does not result in the best quality of music. To me, it would be better to have Pia release a single right before tour starts, then release the album right at the end of tour. Do they seriously want to try and record and release an album in a month? In my opinion, that would be crazy.

  • Elliegrll

    There is still incentive to win the show since the winner is the only one guaranteed a contract. It should kick start the participants to excel & impress Jimmy & the producers so if you don’t win, you increase your chances to get signed. The show changed that you no longer have to impress the judges or the viewing public but you only need to impress Jimmy & the producers and ignore everything else.

    Not to put the thread off track, but unfortunately this has been one of the problems with this year. The contestants have a great opportunity, an advantage that no other season has had, but they’ve all decided to hide their own personalities and do whatever they think will please Jimmy and the other producers.

  • Mel1

    I think this is a smart move. Writers (critics), news/entertainment shows, celebs, idol alums are vocalizing their support for Pia and their shock of her boot. Pia can always learn what she might be lacking, and with experience master it (look at Carrie U). What she already has going for her is her amazing vocals and beauty. The camera loves her – she is tall with a beautiful figure. I think Pia is on her way to becomig a star.

  • ross

    Winners of Idols are safe and less than controversial.

    As is Pia.

    They have to fit the “crown”.

    As does Pia.

    At least in theory. In my opinion Idol winners are hardly as conventional as people say they are – and there are usually more “safe” and/or conventional people in their various seasons, who don’t get voted to the top.

    Idol winners are usually better entertainers than she is.

  • cookbunny

    The way I see it, if they can get a single out for Chris Medina, who wasn’t even a semi-finalist, what’s the big deal for putting Pia’s stuff out early?

    My only concern (because I’m selfish) is that they rush a single the same day David Cook’s comes out. He already has to compete with Gaga that day!

  • Tess

    Well, congratulations to Pia for “getting” her recording contract. And now the “real life” games begin. Whether Pia realizes it or not common sense somewhat dictates that she is now entering the music scene with a huge albatross tangled around her neck. Anything but steller songs with steller vocals and steller radio success will result in her being somewhat hampered for any “future” success.

    With all the hoopla going on about how she was robbed….the public perception for her cd is that she is really the greatest thing since sliced bread…and if she doesn’t measure up to that she will be a bit of a laughing stock (see season 9).

    Personally I liked the archaic way of doing things. Winner gets first release…runner up (if any good) gets second and the rest of the idols wait until the following year to sign and release.

    I see Pia following in the footsteps of one Miss Iraheta. But then, since she has been trying out for AI for 5 years she is probably used to dissapointment.

    ETA: “she is tall with a beautiful figure”

    Sorry to dissapoint anyone but Pia is pretty damn tiny…she will never be model material…and though she is pretty she has a one dimensional face which is deathly for anyone who is searching to be a photographer’s model.

  • SpenserJ

    To me, it would be better to have Pia release a single right before tour starts, then release the album right at the end of tour. Do they seriously want to try and record and release an album in a month?

    I said in the other thread that I think each contestant releasing a single after their ouster would help to keep their buzz going for everyone’s post finale releases. And truthfully, I won’t be suprised at all if they change aspects of the post-show music plan at all.

    At some point, in the off-season meetings, I’ve got to suspect that after the past couple of seasons, some executive said: “Ya’ know, I think we should make changes to the post-show release schedules. It’s not working anymore.” Because, really, it isn’t. People aren’t buying the way they used to, and it’s not all because of the slow down in the music business. Part of it, is that viewers are forgetting about these contestants faster than they used to.

    I’ve got to believe that someone behind the scenes recognized this and proposed some changes. That’s just good business.

  • cowboysfan

    Beautiful pop/R&B singers aren’t marketable!

  • Buffynut

    I think I’d be trying to get kicked off the show so that I could get my record deal!! That being said, I don’t believe the rumor. US has become nothing more than another tabloid.

  • dishwalla

    Also, people were not voting for Pia. If she wasn’t connecting during the season, what will make people actually buy the record? Right now the elimination is big news but will people actually remember her in a month (or want to shell out money)? I can barely remember any of the eliminated contestants this season and it’s only been a few weeks.

    But then there’s also the flip side. Lee and Crystal made it all the way to the top 2, never having been in the bottom. Season 9 still had a large viewership, despite lower ratings. So, whatever happened to all the people that voted for them on the show, who obviously did not come out and support them in the market place.

    There is still incentive to win the show since the winner is the only one guaranteed a contract. It should kick start the participants to excel & impress Jimmy & the producers so if you don’t win, you increase your chances to get signed..

    It’s still a business at the end of the day. Win or loose, I always suspected they would have signed Pia. Can’t honestly say that about the majority of the remaining 8.

  • http://Min111 rkt

    Pia is a prettier and better sounding version of Fergi. She is very marketable if she works with the right people.

  • eyin

    They should invite her for the Top 7 results show to promote her new single! Ha.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Good for Pia! I’m very amused at Interscope being so quick to sign Pia right on the heels of Nigel publicly announcing that she wasn’t a frontrunner in the voting and that she wasn’t “connecting” with the viewers. LOL!

  • Niall

    There are pros and cons to this, but being signed and getting something out that the public enjoys is better than doing what TPTB did with Tamyra and LaToya after their “shocking boot,” (i.e. nothing). The shock wears off quickly and their album sales reflected it.

    All she really needs to make this a big win for her is one catchy radio tune that gets airplay. It will be disappointing, but won’t matter in the end, if the overall album isn’t good. Interscope probably figures they can worry about quality if she hits it big. The initial release is just fishing around to see if this person has a market. It will be interesting…

  • Q3

    I think this is a smart thing. Writers (critics), news/entertainment shows, celebs, idol alums are vocalizing their support for Pia and their shock of her boot. Pia can always learn what she might be lacking, and with experience master it (look at Carrie U). What she already has going for her is her amazing vocals and beauty. The camera loves her – she is tall with a beautiful figure. I think Pia is on her way to becomig a star.

    I agree. If they get her the right songs, she will do well. She got good reviews for her opening performance at Madison Square Garden — seems like the Idol format was not the best showcase of her talent.

    JMHO — it would take a lot more than the signing of a #9 finisher to effect the fate of the winner.

    The winner has 2 more months of Idol exposure and will get a huge press boost when they win — plus do the talk shows. If the winner is someone who can capitalize on their win with music people want to buy, he/she will be very successful. If they put out a meh album, it will not do well but mostly it will be about the music the winner puts out.

    And I really don’t think that this will affect Idol viewership at all — but I do think if they do this a couple of times this season, it could really affect voting. Why bother to text vote 1,000 times for your fav if they will probably get signed anyway? Wonder what AT&T thinks about this?

  • just sayin

    I doubt if it sells that well — she didn’t have fans voting her further than 9th place.

    Mostly I think it hurts the Idol brand and diminishes the eventual winner.

    Put me squarely in the “Don’t Like” column.

  • readon

    It’s a good business move by Interscope. I would expect other singles from a few of remaining contestants that will hit the market before or during the tour. This could change the the type of performances for the idol tour. It could be a mix of covers sung on the show and new music from the idols.

    IMO, it really doesn’t matter who gets first crack at the market. What matters is whether or not radio and the public likes the music. If it’s good people will buy it. It’s not as if there is any rationing to how many idol songs the public will buy.

    That being said, this annoucement does take away from the show. It’s like everyone else is still running the race and Pia is already on the medal platform waving pageant style at the remaining contestants.

  • songsungblue

    Pia is perhaps 5’4″.

    Now can everyone stop acting as if she was taken out back and shot like Old Yeller? :)

    I think she can use some updated styling. And might I suggest – bangs?

  • girlygirl

    The buzz about Pia getting booted is still mainly in the Idol bubble. I know it was on twitter, but not everyone on twitter reads or cares about every subject that trends. If people don’t care about Idol, they likely didn’t read any of the articles about the “shocking” results. So are they going to give her this huge promotional push even while the show is still on, to try and get her to appeal to the public who doesn’t watch Idol and probably has little clue who she is — may not even know about the uproar about her getting kicked off?

    If her single doesn’t get radio play, she isn’t going to sell big, no matter when the CD drops. In my opinion Interscope should focus on getting her a kick-ass single and promoting that, rather than rushing a full album out.

    YMMV, of course

  • Shadow_i

    I’m happy they are signing her. Pia has a great voice and star quality and I wanted to see her make top 3 or win. We know American idol fans have voted for winners who dont sell well before, so winning isn’t everything, and those who left early like my other past top favorites like Chris Daughtry and Jennifer Hudson have done well. Pia is one of those who has potential to be on the charts. She is ready, and I hope they give her good music that will make her current, like current pop-soul divas like Beyonce; its about selling to the general public and internationally and not only idol fans. Also, Pia has taking dance classes for few years and like Carrie Underwood she will improve as a performer.

  • MrDuffin

    Pia was not voted off the show. She was taken off the show so she could put out an album. How much more obvious can it be!

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Is it good for the show? I don’t know about that. AI is about voting your fave to the winning slot so he/she will get a record deal. After that–others who do well may get one as well. So, it keeps viewers invested in the show. Now, it could be like–why even bother voting.

    Therein lies the rub. What is AI? For many people it’s just a TV show and who cares who wins because it doesn’t matter if the winner is successful or not. It’s about being a popular TV reality show contest. Having a successful music career after the show isn’t important.

    I like to think that winning is important and that the winner or at least runner up (sometimes it really is just a toss up when you get to the finale) should be the break out star of their season.

    But I don’t know. The voting is so weird this season. I guess I’m with Nigel on this. AI is a launching pad for a musical career. Winning the TV contest is just that, a TV contest.

    I’m glad Pia is getting her album. I hope Jimmy has been working on this for a while so she has a shot of putting out something decent. I don’t think she should have to wait for the winner to put out an album. Besides, if the winner is all that, because, well they won and that means they are the most popular, Pia putting out an album now shouldn’t matter to the S10 winner.

  • milwlovesadam

    Pia is very marketable, IMO. She is beautiful, will make gorgeous videos, can have dancers moving around her, she doesn’t have to move at all. Remember Carrie’s first video? She was walking down a street, everything else moved around her.

    I do think the whole marketing aspect of these singers is changing. As is the whole music industry. To make any money or have any success you have to be constantly in the public’s eye. If they put out a Pia EP before the tour, and get a video on TV, all power to them. I’m sure Ryan Tedder and the likes, may have a song ready to go for her already.

    I don’t think all the other contestants are as marketable as Pia may be. By the time of the tour, she’ll be one of the main draws. This makes good sense to me. They will sell more Idol Tour tickets because fans will want to see Pia after she got booted so early/wrongly. IMO.

  • Willis

    Ryan Tedder may get his wish to work with Pia after all. I see a Tedder ballad in her future. Or maybe a pop dance track? She mentioned she wanted both.

    I really don’t see a bad side to this at all. If she’s successful, it will be another feather in the cap of the Idol brand. If not, she’ll fit in nicely among the MANY who tried to break through after Idol.

  • claudette

    LOL. I told you she would have a single out soon. The rest of the Idols should just give up. She’ll be the one with the hit single and they are old news.

    She’ll be in the final singing her new hit. Ha. This show is a complete joke, but it’s fun watching is fall apart.

  • weese

    It is probably good business but it will take away the competitive edge that makes the contestants want to improve each week to win. Iovine did make it clear in one of the earlier videos that interscope was judging each contestant to decide if they wanted to work with them in the future and perhaps that is what this season is all about. Impressing Jimmy instead of the Idol audience.

  • gangreen29

    The buzz about Pia getting booted is still mainly in the Idol bubble.

    At one point every story on EW front page was about Pia. Tons of celebrities including Tom Hanks, Ashton Kutcher, Alyssa Milano, and Bette Midler tweeted about Pia going home, all day Friday Pia being voted off was the top story on CNN over the freaking government almost being shut down lol.

  • cowboysfan

    Pia Toscano was just crowned the winner of Season 10. Better say your prayers for the other kids, because they’ll be forgotten by the time the confetti falls.

  • Fullmoon

    It’s still a business at the end of the day. Win or loose, I always suspected they would have signed Pia. Can’t honestly say that about the majority of the remaining 8.

    I have said from day 1 she will be the breakout star. Pia is an Italian girl from Howard Beach, I can’t say I know too many that has no personality. Wat??? If she has any shyness is due to being around people she’s not close to. Being from NY she probably knows or is familiar with who’s who in the music scene. She’s not wet behind the ears. All that pageantry is BS. She’s just a beautiful poised girl and that label is just being unfairly attached to her. The camera loves her. I must have missed the part where they said they will rush this album and release it in a month. As for leftover writers being thrown on her album, um none of the idols winners debut singles were written by them other than Crystal. So yeah I don’t care about who writes what because the general public could care less.

  • SODF

    Idol hasn’t been concerned with protecting the winner’s “rights” to the best initial album release for a long time. As far back as season 5, I remember Kellie Pickler getting the first release, and Daughtry’s debut then got the prime Black Friday release date. The Idol machine had no qualms about pushing the winner’s release back to a less desirable date, or about putting the prime promotional muscle behind Daughtry’s album

    So I’m not surprised Interscope has latched on to Pia. It’s the way Idol works now. They know that Idol voting doesn’t necessarily produce commercially viable winners (Lee being the latest example) so they override the vote and sign whoever they want. I hope Interscope doesn’t simply rush out a Kristy Lee quickie disc. Handled right, I still think Pia could be relevant and successful pop act. She has a lot of raw talent. I wish her luck.

  • bridgette12

    claudette says:

    04/09/2011 at 1:08 pm

    LOL. I told you she would have a single out soon. The rest of the Idols should just give up. She’ll be the one with the hit single and they are old news.

  • Inconnu

    What do you guys think?

    I think it’s great.

    I’m a selfish viewer. As soon as Pia got eliminated (and I was away so couldn’t post about it), I thought: ‘Damn, there goes my fun watching the show’. Not that Pia was my favorite (I’m not sure I have a favorite this year) but I thought at least she’d make Top 3. In my view it was a major buzz kill for the season as a whole and I even felt sorry for Nigel.

    If they sign her right away, it’s good for the show. Not only it’s the most watched reality TV show – but it also gives lot’s of opportunities for many to get signed, winners or not. Why not? Not that I believe in Pia that much, but I think they’re striking while the iron is hot on that one and it’s good business and marketing practices.

  • gangreen29

    I think Pia will be pretty successful, as will Scotty. Lauren is going to be the breakout star though.

  • googletot

    But, I definitely think the winner should get the first release date.

    Kellie Pickler had a single out while the tour was still going on during Season 5 and heard it herself when they were in Atlanta.

  • claudette

    The show is over. It’s so embarrassing to the winner and runner-up.

    I see no reason to vote anymore. You can’t have multiple people putting out quick singles. The market is already flooded. The rest of the Idols have zero chance. This makes them look terrible.

  • Dakota01

    The buzz about Pia getting booted is still mainly in the Idol bubble. I know it was on twitter, but not everyone on twitter reads or cares about every subject that trends. If people don’t care about Idol, they likely didn’t read any of the articles about the “shocking” results.

    The story has been all over the news so the buzz is definitely outside the Idol bubble. You don’t need to be an Idol fan to have heard about it. Even my local news station picked up the story.

    It would seem to me that Interscope already planned to sign her regardless of when she was voted out. IMO it doesn’t seem likely that a decision to sign her was made between Thursday night and today. I think they probably planned to sign her all along. I wish her well.

  • milwlovesadam

    TeeHee. Move over Susan Boyle. Pia’s Christmas albums should sell more than yours and could trump Johnny Mathis, Andrea Bocelli’s!!

    In fact, I see a lot of duets in her future, Bocelli, etc.

  • girlygirl

    With all the hoopla about Chris Medina and his backstory, him making the rounds of all the talk shows, etc., his single didn’t get much radio play and petered out at selling around 100K. Now, it was for charity, which is a whole different deal than what they’ll be doing for Pia, but it does suggest that it is still hard for the contestants to appeal to music buyers outside the Idol bubble — especially without radio play.

    It’ll be interesting to see how hard Interscope pushes Pia — especially if the initial sales aren’t real good. They can’t afford to sign a bunch of Idols and give all of them a huge promotional push and a big recording budget — that’s too much of a financial risk. Is Pia going to be a sort of “test case” for this new strategy? If so, that’s a lot of pressure on her to sell — and sell big.

  • Mitchel

    So I’m not surprised Interscope has latched on to Pia. It’s the way Idol works now. They know that Idol voting doesn’t necessarily produce commercially viable winners (Lee being the latest example) so they override the vote and sign whoever they want.

    ITA. This is even better than the judges’ save, which I am sure they would have used on Pia if it was still available. The goal for all these contestants is to score a record deal. And Pia has always been a favorite of Jimmy Ivovine so I am sure they will pair her up with the best of the best. If she does better than Lee Dewyze, she’s already way ahead of the game.

  • Mel1

    When it comes to American Idol, does it even matter who gets the most votes? It’s apparent the person who gets the most votes isn’t even selling the most. So, when it comes to Pia, the AI votes aren’t even a small determining factor if she sells or not.

  • car3278sweet

    Wow! This is really interesting. I do think that Pia was the only one of this crowd to have a shot at success. She’s got the voice, the look – just needs some coaching in stage presence and the right songs. And you’re right, Niall, this is a fishing expedition… music is now about singles, and if Pia gets lucky and hits.. then they have something to work with to build her cred and star quality.

    They could actually have a single out from a contestant before the season is over and her album out before they start to tour. That’s a great promotional platform for a new artist. A built in arena tour.

    Yeah. Amazingly smart. And it will create more buzz for the tour if Pia’s got a single on the charts.

    Guess winning doesn’t really matter that much anymore.

    Exactly right. Why wouldn’t a contestant, who knows they’ve clicked with a producer, want to get out early so they can get a single on the radio while the show is still on and promote a record during the tour?

    I have thought winning AI was a detriment for several years.
    It’s almost better for your musical career if you don’t win. There’s this big albatross, you’re labeled a joke, there’s huge focus on the numbers… why put up with that?

    Maybe the problem is that the winners tend to be good TV reality show contestants, but not that good in the music industry. The remaining group is indictive of this. I would not be at all surprised if Casey A. wins. He’s entertaining. But success in the pop world? I think Pia is far more likely to be a hit.

    I remember when Casey James went out third, I breathed a sigh of relief for him. Good exposure, very little baggage. He got his contract and walked away without being saddled with “AI winner.”

  • larc

    Putting out an album is one thing. Getting people to buy it is something else altogether.

  • Fullmoon

    The buzz about Pia getting booted is still mainly in the Idol bubble.

    Only if you’re in the idol bubble. lol. She’s been on every mainstream TV show. The shock boot. My phone went of the hook from all my casual Idol watchers who were PISSED. They don’t vote but neither did I but I will buy her album and that is all that counts.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I have to wonder how interested UMG is in developing these artists vs. making a quick buck off of them. Time will tell.

  • gangreen29

    It would be pretty funny if the 9th place finisher this season had an album that outsold last year’s winner and runner up.

  • Mel1

    It would seem to me that Interscope already planned to sign her regardless of when she was voted out. IMO it doesn’t seem likely that a decision to sign her was made between Thursday night and today. I think they probably planned to sign her all along.

    Yes. I think so too. Many months after the fact, someone spilled that Adam knew he was going to be signed, regardless when he got the boot. Labels know a good thing when they see it.

  • girlygirl

    Dakota01

    Maybe — but hearing about it and caring about it are two different things. If the person hearing the story doesn’t care about Idol or listen to or buy music from the former Idols, how likely are they going to be to be interested in hearing Pia’s music?

    Fullmoon

    Casual Idol viewers are still in the Idol bubble. I’m talking about people who never watch Idol or care anything about it — for example, most of my real life friends. None of them had a clue about what happened with Pia — and when I told them, they didn’t care.

    As we’ve seen time and again, you have to appeal to music buyers outside the Idol bubble to be really successful. I’m not saying Pia can’t do that — I think if she gets a killer song that Interscope can promote successfully to radio, she could at least have a big hit single. A hit album? That I’m less sure of. But having a hit single would at least give her something to try and build off of. And if it is on the charts at the time of the AI tour, that could only help the Idol franchise as a whole.

  • Trina

    Wut? This is way, way past Twitter and the Idol bubble. I’ve seen stories about Pia on network news, GMA, TMZ and cable shows that don’t even talk about Idol. Every news site from Yahoo to AOL, etc had stories on their front pages. Celebrities who never mention Idol are talking about this and yes as gangreen said this was the focus on two different CNN shows.

    There’s a big difference between the Idol world and the music world. If there wasn’t Adam, JHud and Chris would have won by millions. Pia has huge buzz right now and likely tons of hot writers and producers wanting to work with her. She has a killer voice and is gorgeous. She’ll probably be molded into a pop star and will be given the best radio material. I can see her also getting magazine covers because of how beautiful she is.

  • claudette

    The joke is on us who liked other contestants. LOL. The beautiful Homecoming Queen wins again.

    The rest of them are just not so perfect. They can sing back-up to her maybe. You really don’t need votes anymore I guess. I’m glad I don’t have to worry about voting anymore.

  • alonzo7

    Good for her-might have been the best thing for her to get ousted with all this buzz!!
    People will at least remember her because Idol is still on their minds.

  • Elliegrll

    LOL. I told you she would have a single out soon. The rest of the Idols should just give up. She’ll be the one with the hit single and they are old news.

    I think many of the contestants know if UMG is interested in them, and UMG is not going to wait until the end of the season in order to find material for them. It was already reported that the winner, and others, would have something out during the tour.

    The big question is, will UMG promote this music to anyone other than the AI audience, and will radio stations be interested in playing songs from multiple AI contestants.

  • cowboysfan

    I think they were facing a major loss of ad revenue with such a shocking elimination so early in the season. Signing Pia to a deal right now will erase the bitterness and draw her fans back to the show. It’s a brilliant move.

  • Dakota01

    Putting out an album is one thing. Getting people to buy it is something else altogether.

    That’s true but how is it different for Pia. We have winners who have struggled to get people to buy their music. I don’t see that it’s any diffferent for her. It depends on the product. If people like it, they will buy it. If not, then they won’t.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Good for her-might have been the best thing for her to get ousted with all this buzz!!

    Exactly. If she had gone out later, the buzz around her would not have been the same.

    She’s probably happy now. She’s got 3 months to kick back and get ready for her album before the tour.

    The Idols who come in 1st and 2nd won’t get the luxury of that downtime.

  • Elliegrll

    Maybe — but hearing about it and caring about it are two different things. If the person hearing the story doesn’t care about Idol or listen to or buy music from the former Idols, how likely are they going to be to be interested in hearing Pia’s music?

    I’m pretty sure that every successful idol has gained success by getting the support of people who don’t watch AI. In fact, I’d say that this is the only way that anyone can find success. I don’t understand why fans believe that the AI fandom is bigger than the general public.

    The only thing that matters is UMG getting radio stations to play Pia’s music. Whatever happened on AI is secondary to that.

  • luly

    Congrats to Pia! I’m curious how the release of her single and album will be handled. I wonder when she will release he single and album and how hard are they going to push her single to radio and promote her album. Right now she has buzz because of the shock elimination, but she would still need the right music and the right promo in order to sell.

  • claudette

    How would her putting out a single get people back to Idol? It just makes her the winner and the show a complete joke. There’s no reason to tune in.

    Pia has the buzz. This season will always be about Pia. The others have no chance. Interscope has to keep her “special” or the market is flooded. MJ was right in her power Poll!!LOL. Pia DID win.

  • lili_anne7

    If the person hearing the story doesn’t care about Idol or listen to or buy music from the former Idols, how likely are they going to be to be interested in hearing Pia’s music?

    Pia just needs a hit single and people will check out her music. If she can also get a collab like Jordin did, that would be her best bet to breaking outside the idol bubble. It all depends on what Interscope does, and if they make a good/solid album in the short time that they are working on it.

  • girlygirl

    Mel1

    The buzz about S8 was that all of the top 4 finishers were getting signed no matter who won. And last season the buzz was that both Lee and Crystal, and probably Casey, would get signed no matter who finished where. So yeah, this isn’t any sort of precedent, aside from the fact that it is a 9th place finisher rather than someone in the Top 4.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    LOL! Maybe she can sing her new single on this season’s finale? :) If that happens and she bumps off one of the old idols from a performance slot, there’s going to be H E double toothpicks for Nigel to pay.

  • Q3

    gangreen29 says:
    04/09/2011 at 1:23 pm

    It would be pretty funny if the 9th place finisher this season had an album that outsold last year’s winner and runner up.

    I think that is very likely. Pia is more marketable than either IMO.

    Seems to me that she has the most commercial potential of anyone on AI10. I am only surprised by how quickly they signed her — which seems really smart to me.

    I expect that Interscope with find a couple of solid pop songs for her to record and then promote them — at least to HAC. I am sure that they realize she doesn’t have a large, passionate fanbase from Idol since she went out so early. And UMG using radio very heavily — much more than Sony — to establish new artists.

  • SpenserJ

    How would her putting out a single get people back to Idol? It just makes her the winner and the show a complete joke. There’s no reason to tune in.

    Pia has the buzz. This season will always be about Pia. The others have no chance. Interscope has to keep her “special” or the market is flooded. MJ was right in her power Poll!!LOL. Pia DID win.

    I disagree. Buzz for the show is good for the show, not just Pia. This week’s buzz may even increase viewers for next week. I’ll bet this result at least increases the number of votes.

    And, the remaining contestants still have one big advantage – they still have the opportunity to attract the attention of twenty million people each week. Pia no longer has that.

    There’s no guarantee that any music from Pia will be successful, so whether or not she’s the “real winner” remains to be seen. There’s also no indication this will be a regular thing for all of the cast-offs. The previous 2 are basically being ignored.

    This is all about striking while the iron is hot to put some money in everyone’s pockets. I’d be surprised if anyone but the most invested fans of other contestants were even remotely upset by this development.

  • girlygirl

    Elliegrll

    That is what I am saying. If Pia doesn’t get strong radio play and get support from outside the Idol bubble, all the “buzz” about her “shock” elimination won’t matter. The hardcore Idol fandom who would buy her music no matter what is only going to result in a certain level of sales.

    I wish Pia luck. I hope that she puts out music that I want to hear and would be interested in buying. Hopefully she’ll stay away from the boring ballads — at least for her first single :)

  • shell29

    Guess winning doesn’t really matter that much anymore.

    Winning this show hasn’t mattered for a while now. If they want to sign you, they will do so regardless of where you place on the show. I don’t have a problem with it. Pia was one of those finalists who was going to get a deal regardless so I’m not surprised by this news. I think Scotty and Lauren fall into that category as well. As much as some people rag on him for his “cheesiness”, I think Jimmy has his eye on Stefano as well. He’s certainly not the greatest performer in the world (hardly), but the recording studio is a different story. This feels like one of those seasons where multiple finalists will get deals with 19R. As far as the situation with season five, Kellie and Daughtry chose to write/record during the summer tour, Taylor chose not to. That’s the main reason those two were able to release their albums before Taylor did, not some conspiracy to deny Taylor a prime release date in favor of Daughtry.

  • cmom

    I have always thought it short-sighted of Idol not to fully embrace all the people who have success after having been on Idol. They should be happy and promote them and to me it makes the show even better when more of them (if they are actually talented) succeed. Except for their personal favorites (like Adam (who is great), they almost act like some of the Idols don’t exist. They have not mentioned @davidarchie one time this season even though he still has a large fan base and is well respected in the music world. They only include him and others when essentially forced by the fact that he came in second. I say embrace Pia and any of the Idols who have potential. Idol should say “look what we have highlighted for the audience – all these great talents”. (Not that I think they are all talented, but some are).

  • Fullmoon

    I’m so happy for her. Just when I started to hate this show again they did right by her. Now I can sit back and just enjoy the rest of the show for the pure entertainment of it. Don’t care who wins. I needed another girl to add to my Kelly, Daughtry and Adam love.

  • claudette

    The title for articles picking this up is “Pia gets the last laugh”. She won the show. It honestly diminishes anything the rest of them do. She will sing her song at the finale and Interscope will make sure she’s the star – good business.

  • TheOther

    I wouldn’t equte Pia’s situation to Chris Medina who was not put through by the judges’. Or Kristy Lee Cook, whom the judges wanted off the show. Chris Daughtry did get a lot of mileage out his early boot. So did Kelli Pickler and Jennifer Hudson. I also don’t think Pia will have to knock it out of the park per say. I actually think the pressure would have been much greater if she had for example finished in the Top 2.

  • girlygirl

    gangreen29

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Pia outsell the S10 winner and runnerup. Of the remaining contestants, in my opinion only Scotty and (maybe) Lauren have a chance of outselling her. However, that doesn’t mean that I think Pia will have huge success, because I’m skeptical. But I do think she has more commercial potential than most of the remaining contestants.

    ETA – And I hope Interscope is going to be committed to actually developing her career, rather than just focusing on trying to make a fast buck while she has some “buzz”

  • SpenserJ

    This feels like one of those seasons where multiple finalists will get deals with 19R.

    Hmm, maybe that’s why I’m not irritated by this. This season is starting to remind me of Season 5 (which was my overall favorite): entertaining shows, surprising results, multiple viable artists, lots of chatter at the best AI blog in the land (yes, I mean yours mj :) ). All I really need now are some “wow” type performances.

    I’m hoping I’m not the only one having fun with this!

  • Miss Chaos

    I dont think she will ever be a star, and I think they are Kristy Lee Cooking her, JMO

  • SparklesATL

    In three month no one will remember her name. If she had stayed on a few more this might be different.

    Her first release will go straight to the $2.99 bin, right next to Kat’s. If she’s lucky.

    I predicted it once and I’ll predict it again; as soon as the tour is over she’ll be a permanent fixture on the David

  • alonzo7

    I guess those pics of her going into the music studio building really meant something.

  • larc

    SpenserJ says:
    And, the remaining contestants still have one big advantage – they still have the opportunity to attract the attention of twenty million people each week. Pia no longer has that.

    ITA! Many of them will still have that audience when Pia is yesterday’s news.

  • johanna

    Good news for Pia. But this rises some questions as the competition is not even over and I am just wondering will they be signing everybody that get eliminated from now on?

    If not they will make those contestants look like a bunch of losers for lasting longer than Pia but being passed for signing.

  • Trina

    And last season the buzz was that both Lee and Crystal, and probably Casey, would get signed no matter who finished where.

    I dont recall ANY buzz last season especially at this point.

  • SpenserJ

    I predicted it once and I’ll predict it again; as soon as the tour is over she’ll be a permanent fixture on the David

    Even though you posted too quickly and left off the end of your thought – I knew immediately that you meant David Foster. LOL – the David Foster tour, where once promising idols go for their careers to die. Just say no to David kids.

  • Niall

    That is what I am saying. If Pia doesn’t get strong radio play and get support from outside the Idol bubble, all the “buzz” about her “shock” elimination won’t matter.

    True and that part of the story is yet to be told. In a few months we’ll either be talking about her as the breakout star of AI, someone who gained a decent amount of success, or as a complete flop. Interscope is going to put something out there and fish for interest. If she hits, they’ll keep her. If not, she’ll be dropped quickly. I expect this same pattern to occur with at least a couple other contestants from this season. Pia won’t be the only one signed who doesn’t win or come in 2nd.

    This is a much different approach than the one taken by Sony. That company often didn’t let the contestants know what they would do with them until the end of the summer tour. Like I said earlier, I wonder how or if things might have turned out differently for Tamyra or Latoya if they had been signed immediately following their ouster.

  • TheOther

    And, the remaining contestants still have one big advantage – they still have the opportunity to attract the attention of twenty million people each week. Pia no longer has that.

    But Pia will have a record deal with a major label. I doubt most of the remaining contestants will get the opportunity. 19 usually signs the Top 2, maybe Top 3. That’s about it. And having the potential of attracting 20 million people each week hasn’t exactly help the likes of Lee Dewyze and Crystal Bowersox when it comes to selling records. Or some of the other winners or Top 2 who have long been dropped from their Idol labels.

  • SpenserJ

    I dont recall ANY buzz last season especially at this point.

    That’s because last season, outside the bubble, there was next to no buzz. The only people talking about last season were people on AI blogs, and the usual suspects in entertainment journalism.

  • Q3

    The buzz about S8 was that all of the top 4 finishers were getting signed no matter who won. And last season the buzz was that both Lee and Crystal, and probably Casey, would get signed no matter who finished where. So yeah, this isn’t any sort of precedent, aside from the fact that it is a 9th place finisher rather than someone in the Top 4.

    Seems like something new to me — if they have actually signed Pia.

    The buzz in past seasons was based on expectations — not RCA A&R contacting songwriters for songs as Interscope is reported to be doing for Pia.

    In the past, I do not believe anyone was signed until after the Final — and the winner was chosen and signed. And the winner has been signed first or at the same time as #2 (2010) in the past.

    Lee and Crystal were signed the same day and announced together.

    Kris’ signing was announced 12 days before Adam.

    Cook was announced before Archie.

    ….. and so on.

    Even Daughtry wasn’t signed until July 10, 2006 — long after Taylor was signed.

    And this is early in the show. Months after Idol, RCA Ed revealed that they decided to sign Adam after the Top 5 show (fans and Adam did not know that). This is someone being signed after the Top 9 show.

    If this is real — so far not confirmed — which it looks like it is, it seems like a real change to me. Perhaps I am forgetting someone who was signed during the Idol season.

    Not sure it matters much but it is different.

  • gangreen29

    Lauren/Scott/Paul’s band are the other three that are getting signed so matter where they place.

  • claudette

    Interscope won’t sign anyone else except the winner. You have to focus on the one you want to succeed. They are going to be putting everything into her right now. They’ll want her to sing the song at the finale that will be the hit. There are already too many Idols trying to make it.

    You have to give it to her. She pulled out the win in 9th place.

  • tripp_ncwy

    So, Simon Fuller is going to personally manage the winner & runner-up of AI10 where does that leave Pia. I know she is signed with 19M until after tour but will 19 also sign her or let get her lown management. Fuller may see more than just music in store for her.

  • kmd

    Good for Pia. I hope she does well.

  • Elliegrll

    I predicted it once and I’ll predict it again; as soon as the tour is over she’ll be a permanent fixture on the David

    It depends, will Pia release the type of music that it seems like she’s interested in, mainly Adult Contemporary type of songs. Or, will Interscope try to figure out a way to make her style fit with contemporary music, or will Pia let Iovine and the others turn her into a pop/r&b princess, which is probably what they want her to be.

  • claudette

    Simon just said the winner.

    Lauren and Haley are NOT going to be signed unless they are the official winner. Pia has been chosen as the pop star. Again, Interscope can’t flood the market with Idols. Pia won the buzz of celebrities so she wins.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I dont recall ANY buzz last season especially at this point.

    That’s because last season, outside the bubble, there was next to no buzz. The only people talking about last season were people on AI blogs, and the usual suspects in entertainment journalism.

    Last season, we mostly just rehashed S8. S10 gets a gold star from me just for moving us all away from the Adam vs Kris fanwars.

  • springboard

    We’ll have to see what happens with this. Having a contract with rumoured great songwriters, and actually releasing a good album with well promoted singles are two different things.

    And if they keep the buzz about her going while the show is not finished, they are going to kill it.
    It they don’t, she’ll be forgotten by the time the winner is crowned, and they’ll better come up with a killer single.

    And pushing the 9th place finisher as much or more than the winner without pretending that they are not doing it it a slap in the face for voters.

    Unless her contract is a token gesture to appease the disgruntled, Uncle Nigel has better come up with a few tricks up his sleeve to give the impression that there is still an important competition going on!

  • Niall

    Pia might be the only one who gets a full length release but I do think we’ll see more singles from at least a couple others who don’t win or finish 2nd. It’s cheap and it’s a quick way to test the market for signs that a full length release is viable. Interscope wants to make money. If they even suspect there might be a market out there, they’ll invest in a single or EP.

    You’ve got two competing interests. You’ve got Nigel, who wants to make a good tv show and $ from advertising. He has his “horses” based on the votes. Then you’ve got Jimmy Iovine and UMG, who want to create new music stars to make $. They’ve got their “horses” based on the general public’s reaction and what they see in the studio. They very well could end up stepping on each others toes or they could be working together in mutual benefit. Who knows.

  • Miss Blue

    I think this is great, and I don’t even like Pia.

    This sends a signal to anyone out there considering auditioning for this show. Hopefully we’ll get some great talent showing up next year. If you can come out of this with an album, even being booted early, why not try out?

    Yes, it’s always been said that anyone could be signed. And several non-winners have been. But it’s been well after the show ended and who knows how crappy those deals have been.

    This is definitely something new and I think it’s good for the show, the contestants, and the viewers.

  • SpenserJ

    But Pia will have a record deal with a major label. I doubt most of the remaining contestants will get the opportunity. 19 usually signs the Top 2, maybe Top 3. That’s about it.

    I’m not sure that a major label is even the right place for everyone remaining. Jacob is a gospel singer. Scotty & Lauren will likely get major country label contracts regardless of where they finish. Paul & Casey should both be on indy labels – they’re never going to sell enough to satisfy a major label – but they should be able to make a living. Stefano belongs a cruise ship.

    I think James & Haley could both make a go of a major label career, with the right music and the right mentoring. But, I doubt if he goes that route, James will be allowed to record the kind of music he really wants to do. (And, I know I’m in a small minority who sees Haley’s potential – I like her, so I’m biased :) ).

    And having the potential of attracting 20 million people each week hasn’t exactly help the likes of those like Lee Dewyze and Crystal Bowersox when it comes to selling records.

    I don’t think those two are the barometer to go by at all. Crystal is such a niche artist, I was surprised she actually got to second on this show (and she was totally my favorite last year). And Lee is a mediocre talent at best.

  • Elliegrll

    Lauren and Haley are NOT going to be signed unless they are the official winner. Pia has been chosen as the pop star. Again, Interscope can’t flood the market with Idols. Pia won the buzz of celebrities so she wins.

    I think Interscope already revealed that they will be releasing music from more than just the winner and second place finisher. The real question is will they promote the music from these other people outside of the AI bubble. It’s a good guess that they will release everyone’s songs to radio, but they will only push the people who they are truly invested in.

  • Miss Blue

    And pushing the 9th place finisher as much or more than the winner without pretending that they are not doing it it a slap in the face for voters.

    How is this possibly true? We don’t have a winner yet, so how can Pia be getting more than the winner?

    Further, a slap in the face to the voters? Don’t buy her album if you don’t like her. There, problem solved.

  • gangreen29

    This sends a signal to anyone out there considering auditioning for this show. Hopefully we’ll get some great talent showing up next year. If you can come out of this with an album, even being booted early, why not try out?

    This is a great point. I was thinking with the inevitable march towards another male victory, why would any woman try out for idol again? But if they know they can get a contract even if the biased idol voters don’t support them it is an added incentive to try out.

  • Landmd

    I also think we can look forward to more than just two or three people from the top 9 releasing EPs through Interscope.

    I think we can too. That was the impression I got when AI signed up with UMG.
    It might take away from the winner, but really who knows. Will put alot of Idols on the market for sure. Good way to see who will stick.

    Alyssa Milano she has also tweeted about her love of Paul’s voice.

  • songsungblue

    I’ve been watching this show casually off and on for years. I’ve seen the Bo is going to outsell Carrie! meme, and the Taylor Hicks is going to revolutionize music with his WHUMP!, not to mention how Melinda Doolittle will show them all! and Crystal Bowersox is going to be the next big thing! Wait, did I forget about how Disney was going to sign Tim Urban, and how Siobhan Magnus was the only season 8 finisher with a shot at stardom? ;)

    Some of the above I’ve liked, some I haven’t. I’m not invested in anyone’s career all that deeply, although it’s fun to discuss. What I have learned is what my husband has always said: The problem with the music industry is that you cannot predict the public taste. There really is no way to know who is going to catch on and who isn’t. And it’s much harder now, when the market is so saturated, and the public has such ADD. Everyone always says this one is so marketable, or that one is so marketable. Yet many companies have gone bust pushing say, Carly Smithson. It’s such a crapshoot.

    Personally, I don’t think Pia is that appealing. I thought her voice on Mountain High sounded pushed, and verged on unpleasant. I don’t think she has fire or force of personality. She’s nice, she’s sweet, she’s pretty. Eh. But then again, see above. Maybe she’ll connect and discover her fire. Maybe Iovine will match her to the right song. Maybe he won’t. My husband once did a search of a song on Youtube – I forget which one, it might have been Rehab or something equally popular at the time – and played about fifteen different versions, all equally excellent. The girls were beautiful to a one, and some had unique and special voices. Pia is only truly unusual in that she has grabbed public attention for the moment. The next moment is anyone’s call.

  • Suzanne

    don’t you think that Interscope is just trying to do the same thing that failed with Kristy Lee Cook three years ago. Whip out a quicky album and see if anyone buys it. It’s probably just a one-album deal, like Kristy Lee and Allison Iraheta had. Then the parties have a right of first refusal on the renewal and that’s it. I bet that Kellie Pickler had the same deal but the parties renewed because that album did pretty okay.

  • halo9125

    One has to wonder how this will affect the relationship between Jimmy Iovine and Nigel- I can’t imagine Nigel is real happy right about now.

    They’ll want her to sing the song at the finale that will be the hit.

    No way in hell will Nigel let that happen, lol. Although I would love to hear her sing “The Prayer” with Josh Groban or Andrea Bocelli on the finale.

  • xisbabe

    If she gets signed she gets signed!! A lot of people from idol get signed some you just dont hear about but if u look up past contestants they have cds like kellie pickler and bo bice a lot of people have albums they just dont get heard but they dont sell too good. i believe that Pia is a great singer and she deserves to get signed a lot of this season singers deserve to get signed it is a tough season with a lot of good acts

  • Miss Blue

    I’m not sure that a major label is even the right place for everyone remaining. Jacob is a gospel singer. Scotty & Lauren will likely get major country label contracts regardless of where they finish. Paul & Casey should both be on indy labels – they’re never going to sell enough to satisfy a major label – but they should be able to make a living. Stefano belongs a cruise ship.

    I think James & Haley could both make a go of a major label career, with the right music and the right mentoring. But, I doubt if he goes that route, James will be allowed to record the kind of music he really wants to do. (And, I know I’m in a small minority who sees Haley’s potential – I like her, so I’m biased :) ).

    And having the potential of attracting 20 million people each week hasn’t exactly help the likes of those like Lee Dewyze and Crystal Bowersox when it comes to selling records.

    I don’t think those two are the barometer to go by at all. Crystal is such a niche artist, I was surprised she actually got to second on this show (and she was totally my favorite last year). And Lee is a mediocre talent at best.

    It was worth highlighting your entire post. I totally agree with all of it.

    I can see most of the remaining contestants getting a record deal. They’ll get pushed if there is buyer response. And that’s how it should be.

    The niche artists will get pushed to those who appreciate that niche, just as Crystal has been. And she’s had decent sales for that market.

    If any of them make money, they’ll get a second chance and more promotion. In the meantime, all of them will get a chance to earn some cash and get some promo.

    I frankly can’t see how this isn’t a win for all of them.

  • SpenserJ

    Last season, we mostly just rehashed S8. S10 gets a gold star from me just for moving us all away from the Adam vs Kris fanwars.

    Another silver lining to this season :).

    Not sure it matters much but it is different.

    I think different is the whole point. AI doesn’t want another season where no one can pull out at even 200K in sales.

    Pia might be the only one who gets a full length release but I do think we’ll see more singles from at least a couple others who don’t win or finish 2nd. It’s cheap and it’s a quick way to test the market for signs that a full length release is viable. Interscope wants to make money. If they even suspect there might be a market out there, they’ll invest in a single or EP.

    I’m not sure we can know right now if Pia will get a full release – or when that might happen for that matter. They could still make her release after the winner. But, I agree we should expect to see some singles here and there from some of the cast-offs.

    UMG has these kids obligated to a contract option. They’re going to excersize that option and make them release whatever they think is viable, whenever they think it’s the best time to do it.

  • Q3

    gangreen29 says:
    04/09/2011 at 1:58 pm

    Lauren/Scott/Paul’s band are the other three that are getting signed so matter where they place.

    Seems like Lauren and Paul have a good shot at getting signed — even if they don’t make the Top 4. If not by UMG — someone will sign them to a major label deal.

    But I think Paul is less certain and needs to finish high to get signed. (I think he is in the wrong genre — and not current.)

    Surprising to me how little press Lauren has gotten so far but it is often good not to be a press fav if you want to get votes. But she is really talented and seems likely to do well.

  • dawnage01

    My point is who cares about “diminishing the impact of the eventual winner?” With that kind of talent, Pia deserves to record an album. Strike while the iron is hot girl! :)

  • nigerdelta

    wow congrats to her. talk abt one door closing and another one opening. she must be over the moon. 3rd to 8th place finishers may not get a record deal and who knows if she wld have gotten one if she finshed say 4th/5th and it wasn’t shocking.

  • songsungblue

    Lauren/Scott/Paul’s band are the other three that are getting signed so matter where they place.

    Yeah, I can see this happening. I’ve already revealed that no one can spot eventual success, but I think Paul has a good shot with the Grand Magnolias. They’re an excellent, tight band, he’s dating a movie star, and the boy has a weird charisma. Also, Jimmy Iovine seems to love him.

    I find Lauren irritating because she’s your typical 16 year old – but she’s already dropping weight and re-styling herself as a Carrie / Kelly hybrid. She has force of personality and chops.

    As for Scotty, I loathe his sound and his entire Thank You Jesus! personality, but I’ve no doubt about Nashville.

    The rest – Casey, Haley, Stefano, Jacob – wild cards. I see Haley fronting a band. Jacob doing gospel. Stefano – acting? Casey – Jeebus. No idea.

  • EmmaCT

    Simon used to condescendingly tell the contestants that it was not “okay” to “not win.”

    Well…

  • tripp_ncwy

    claudette, the full release said that Simon Fuller would manage the winner & runner-up from this season.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/simon-fuller-personally-manage-american-172144

  • SpenserJ

    It was worth highlighting your entire post. I totally agree with all of it.

    Thank you :). I like any verification that I’m not completely out of my mind.

    I frankly can’t see how this isn’t a win for all of them.

    Me either!

  • girlygirl

    I wonder how they are going to handle the AI tour? Pia finished 9th. On the AI tour, they sing in reverse order of elimination, and the 9th place finisher sings 2 songs and is on stage for maybe 10 minutes. It wouldn’t be fair to the 8 people who finished in front of her to change up the order or to give Pia more time on stage. But what if she has a single making its way up the charts — would she just sing that and one other song?

    And what about press? My understanding is that the press is split up pretty evenly during tour — one day 5 of the 10 Idols are made available to the media, then the next press day, the other 5 are made available — with, of course, the winner and runner-up getting additional media exposure on their own. For example, I remember that during the S8 tour Kris and Adam pretty much got the same amount of press (it was before and after the actual tour that Adam got way more media attention). I think 19 is going to have to be very careful about the way they handle this so it doesn’t look like they are promoting Pia while ignoring all the others — esp. whoever wins and finishes 2nd. Outside of the tour, I don’t think it would be a problem, but during the actual tour, it could cause friction among the actual Top 11 and piss off fans of the other Idols if Pia is getting the majority of the media attention.

  • tripp_ncwy

    It wouldn’t be fair to the 8 people who finished in front of her to change up the order or to give Pia more time on stage.

    Not just that but there are not 10 performances, there are 11 for the AI10 tour.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I still think we have a lot of time left in the season. Someone like Lauren or Scotty could start to get more buzz. If all of the idols touring get a single to sing, it will level the playing field. I do wonder however, if they already have singles lined up for all of the remaining contestants…..wait I forgot about Thia and Naima. No word on their singles yet..HMMMM

  • Niall

    If Pia manages a radio hit, or at least becomes a bigger celebrity than those who finished ahead of her, the tour will be adjusted to reflect it. No way in that situation will they risk reports of the audience getting bored and/or heading for the soda line after Pia finishes her set. But Pia’s going to have to do one of those things first and that’s still a few months away.

    Regardless though, I do expect the tour to include lots of duets and interaction among the contestants so they’ll probably move away from the 11th place to 1st place countdown other than putting the winner on last.

  • girlygirl

    Q3

    Paul is actually very current — the whole indie rock/ alt-country/Americana hybrid thing is big right now, what with Mumford & Sons, The Avett Brothers, etc.

    I don’t think Paul is anywhere near the level of those bands, but I can definitely see him going back to his band and them getting signed by a label that know how to market indie rock bands, and them having some sort of success. I don’t see him as being someone who would have big commercial success, but there is definitely a market right now for his style of music.

  • Fullmoon

    For example, I remember that during the S8 tour Kris and Adam pretty much got the same amount of press (it was before and after the actual tour that Adam got way more media attention).

    Not true. Adam got all of the media and reviewer press attention during the tour with Danny coming in second. Kris and Allison battled for 3rd. Go back and read the archives. Anyway, I don’t think special arrangement will be made for Pia. Idol will continue to operate like usual until the tour is over. My guess is since she is the one that captivated the media she’ll probably won’t soon be forgottrn.

  • Incipit

    I have no vested interest in who wins or who doesn’t so I have no problem with this.

    It’s a cool opportunity for Pia, I hope she is able to take full advantage of it…and if it works – you know Spinmeister Nigel will flip on everything he said today, and Idol will take the credit for it, and put Pia up on one of their revolving panels. *wink*

  • Landmd

    Lauren/Scott/Paul’s band are the other three that are getting signed so matter where they place.

    I really hope Paul & band get signed.

    But I think Paul is less certain and needs to finish high to get signed. (I think he is in the wrong genre — and not current.)

    Paul is less certain but add The Grand Magnolias to the mix and it might happen.

  • wfish8888

    SOOO glad for Pia! She is was one of most marketable people in top 9! I’m sure to buy her album… As for people saying people outside idol bubble don’t know who be is, is prob somewhat true even tho new was all over the place. But it doesn’t matter if she can produce a hit then it won’t matter she came
    In 9th, and I hope she becomes a success!! Question….has any other person who finnished 8th or higher gotten a record deal like this??

  • Elek

    That’s quite a big gamble and I am sure that sales would be below par the producers’ expectations. To release a good album takes at least six months and by the time it’s ready for release, the AI viewers’ attention is already more focused on the winner and the runners-up.

    If her small number of fans remains loyal, she could probably sell a few thousands and if her performances in the tour turn spectacular, she could sell a bit more. But to sum it up, it’s a lose-lose situation for her and the producers. The recording is probably Iovine’s consolation gift to her that sales profit would not matter at all.

    It is important to take note of the following ex-finalists of the show:

    Jennifer Hudson who ended 7th place in AI 2004 edition only released an album in 2008.

    Chris Daughtry who ended at 4th place in AI 2006 edition released an album with his band on the same year but bear in mind that the release was actually a group project. On the other hand, Kelly Pickler who ended at 6th place in the same year released a country music album later on that year but we all know that country music has a good market.

    Clay Aiken, David Archuleta and Adam Lambert released their respective albums the same year as the winners but they were actually runners-up.

    Considering the above, I do not know where to fit in Pia at all. Therefore, her project would be very experimental, one way or the other.

  • damo

    Interscope is doing the smart thing for their label. Getting an album out quickly is in their best interests. She probably is not signing to a big record deal anyway. If she does not do well, she will be dropped quickly. If she does do well, she will get the deal of her dreams.

    The winner is guaranteed a huge recording contract with the full backing of the label. Lee and Kris have not been dropped yet, even though they have had less than spectacular sales.

    If you are a Pia fan, you had better buy her album.

  • Indigobunting

    Nice opportunity for Pia, but I also wonder how this will affect the AI winner; it does seem a little unfair she gets to capitalize on all the buzz that goes on during the season while the winner gets the big let down in buzz when summer arrives.

    Before I was really an Idol fan I thought Idol ended with the TV series-didn’t pay any attention to the tour.

  • claudette

    If her single takes off, she’ll be singing it at the finale with her own band. I doubt she’ll tour with the Idols. She’ll open for some bigger pop star this summer. It wouldn’t work for her to be with the other Idols. She’s the media darling and the star. She can’t be treated like a 9th place finisher.

    This season is all about Pia. She’s reached mythical proportions. Idol will still have 10. It wouldn’t make sense to make her do an Idol tour.

    It would also help the Idols if she wasn’t on tour with them to take the attention. I’m thinking business wise IF I were to sign anyone else than Pia, it would be better for the winner to be there without Pia. It’s the only way to give the winner any credibility. (Simon can change his mind on who he manages at any time)

    We don’t know what the winner’s contract is like. New company. And with today’s problems in the music industry, I doubt the winner’s contract is anything more than exposure and a little money.

  • springboard

    I am all for those who deserve to have a contract get signed, it is their life and a unique opportunity they should not be held back just because of a reality TV show placement.
    But it should be done after the competition. While it is still going on, it gives the wrong message that the finishing order doesn’t matter.

  • girlygirl

    Fullmoon

    I’m talking about interviews, radio appearances, etc — not reviews. (and I disagree with your rankings but that’s neither here nor there since it has nothing to do with my original post)

  • girlygirl

    Claudette

    Pia is contractually obligated to go on the Idol tour. All of the finalists are.

    ETA – And I really hope you are joking about her reaching “mythical proportions” Because — that’s not even close to being true :)

  • webster

    What do you guys think?

    I think this is the season of the instant sign, strike before the flash leaves the pan. Chris Medina did an instant single. I have no doubt that Casey would have been signed but for the save.

    I say this in no disrespect to Pia’s talent. She may make a good album and undoubtedly will eventually. None of her supposed woodeness on stage will interfere with a good recording. It just seems to me there is a new philosophy about how to get money out of Idol on the recording end. It’s the natural progression to the single sales instituted a few seasons ago. Don’t gamble on these guys developing into unique and interesting artists, cash-in today on the most famous karaoke artists on the planet.

  • springboard

    LOL, Claudette, I am guessing you are being slightly sarcastic :)

  • gangreen29

    I doubt she’ll tour with the Idols. She’ll open for some bigger pop star this summer.

    No way does this happen.

  • songsungblue

    If her single takes off, she’ll be singing it at the finale with her own band. I doubt she’ll tour with the Idols. She’ll open for some bigger pop star this summer. It wouldn’t work for her to be with the other Idols. She’s the media darling and the star. She can’t be treated like a 9th place finisher.

    This season is all about Pia. She’s reached mythical proportions. Idol will still have 10. It wouldn’t make sense to make her do an Idol tour.

    Really? It’s your typical shock boot reaction, IMO. I mean, she hasn’t even been to the recording studio yet, and already she’s bigger than Beyonce? :)

  • emmuzka

    Good for her, but overall their new signing strategy could make the tv show look odd.

    Let’s say that Pia gets a deal. Then Jacob is ousted. Nothing. Haley. Nothing. Casey, he snatches a deal! Paul, zip. Stefano, nada. Lauren, a deal! And then Scotty wins and JAmes comes second and they’ll got deals.

    Okay, would this make it to look like it would matter how far they go, at all? Or that half of the contestants were plants? That the deals were decided by the men in black before the live rounds even began, and the audience participations was all a charade, anyway?

  • lucy95

    Not sure I see the point of sticking around if you can get a contract at #9. It’s almost as if it’s a curse to win the show anymore. I was excited about the season when it first started, but quickly losing interest. The multiple producers add next to nothing, no tips on performing as promised, same old, same old theme weeks & duller than dull judges.

  • webster

    I am all for those who deserve to have a contract get signed, it is their life and a unique opportunity they should not be held back just because of a reality TV show placement.
    But it should be done after the competition. While it is still going on, it gives the wrong message that the finishing order doesn’t matter.

    In what way is that the wrong message? The winner will get everything the winner is entitled to. If someone is perceived as a “shock boot” by the media and the public, then being signed by the business right away is sending exactly the message that’s consistent with that perception: this singer is ready to record an album.

    I’m all for the winner getting their contractual rewards and for the voting system to be fair. But, to the degree that the outside world is watching the competition, they should (and do) pick and reward their favorites by their usual standards, based on a strange and changing mix of talent, perception, luck and buzz.

  • gangreen29

    Not sure I see the point of sticking around if you can get a contract at #9.

    Just because someone gets a contract at #9 doesn’t mean they ALL get contracts. That is the point of sticking around.

  • springboard

    Okay, would this make it to look like it would matter how far they go, at all? Or that half of the contestants were plants? That the deals were decided by the men in black before the live rounds even began, and the audience participations was all a charade, anyway?

    Yes, I think it would. Why bother voting if you know that the contracts are not dependant on the outcome?

  • Q3

    Paul is actually very current — the whole indie rock/ alt-country/Americana hybrid thing is big right now, what with Mumford & Sons, The Avett Brothers, etc.

    I don’t think Paul is anywhere near the level of those bands, but I can definitely see him going back to his band and them getting signed by a label that know how to market indie rock bands, and them having some sort of success. I don’t see him as being someone who would have big commercial success, but there is definitely a market right now for his style of music.

    JMHO — his band’s music is not current — meaning it is not what is selling significantly or getting a lot of airplay. For me — current = what is currently dominating the Pop charts. The Americana/Roots/Folk-Blues genre is in a bit of a revival but has not crossed over into mainstream music.

    I think someone from this movement will fuse more contemporary elements into their music and could cross over into mainstream success. But my bet is that happens someplace outside of Nashville/mid-South. Perhaps in the UK.

    I know Paul’s band pre-Idol — but find the concept of Paul being on Idol a bit odd. I have seen him perform live as Hightide Blues and in their latest incarnation The Grand Magnolias. I also own their last album. So no lack of respect from me for his talent. That said — I cannot imagine them selling more than 250,000 units of an album. Same challenge Crystal has — and IMO she is a more talented vocalist and songwriter — and I was pleased that Idol introduced me to her.

    I happened to live in the mid-South so I know a lot of the local talent — but Idol and AGT has made me aware of some other regional artist that I would not have known otherwise. Top of my list of “thank you Idol” is Adam — but I have three from AI10 that I am glad I was introduced to — Lauren, Scott and Pia. Paul might have made that list but I already knew of him.

  • Willis

    Pia is UMG’s dream come true. She has a great look, a great voice, and can be completely molded. She can be taught/told her fashion and performance and be given some of the best top 40 songwriters. They’ll create an image for her. A collaboration would be the best way to get her out there. Remember when Timbaland did Promiscuous with Nelly Furtado and then she was “cool” all of a sudden?

    Hmm, Timbaland. Wasn’t he supposed to produce this year’s studio tracks at one point? Something mus have happened, or maybe I just made that up.

    How the Idols sing on or before the show doesn’t always reflect the music they eventually put out. Kind of like how Danny, Crystal and Casey J all went Country.

  • Trina

    Lee and Crystal haven’t been dropped yet but I’ll be shocked if they aren’t, Lee especially. With Lee IMO they wouldn’t announce it with the current season still going. That would be bad press. I think it was Taylor or Blake who when they were dropped it came out that they were actually let go months before the news broke.

    The tour will go on as it always does. Even season 5 where it was known during the tour Daughtry landed a deal it was business as usual. Their big plans for him came after the tour.

    As I said in the other thread I suspect maybe 4 or 5 could land smaller EP deals. I don’t think they”ll be handing out major full album deals like candy.

  • Q3

    Really? It’s your typical shock boot reaction, IMO. I mean, she hasn’t even been to the recording studio yet, and already she’s bigger than Beyonce? :)

    Thanks for the great laugh!

  • Planet Fierce

    I say America got it totally wrong and she should not suffer further for it…go PIA!!!!

  • Fullmoon

    I don’t think what is happening to Pia is going to be the standard. She just happens to fall in the “one that got away” category like Jhud and Daughtry. I don’t see anyone else getting this opportunity. Maybe Stefano since rumor was he was also being eyed by TPTB. The rest will have to fight for winner and runner up. Scotty/Lauren =$$$$. I don’t see a 3rd or 4th place being signed. They already got Pia.

  • Valentin432

    I know it’s not a popular concept in the blogosphere but I think I’m going to wait before trying to forecast how this will change the competition.

    We are just 2 days into this, the blood is still fresh, 7 weeks of idol is a long time and whoever the winner ends up being will have tons of buzz on its own.

    Also this has nothing to do with a 9th place finisher being signed. Nobody thought twice last week about the two who were eliminated, this is about Pia Toscano who was considered a frontrunner on American Idol by a boatload of people and not only idol experts.

    FWIW, if I had one prediction to make is that ratings should be very healthy next week, all this buzz should translate in people curiously tuning in to see american idol at least for the short term.

    I hope the kids can capitalize on it and put on a good show

  • Eriko

    Yes, I think it would. Why bother voting if you know that the contracts are not dependant on the outcome?

    I think most voters, the casual at least, are voting for whom they want to see perform the following week and/or win. I don´t believe many care what happens after the show, record contract or not. For them, when the show ends, so does any interest in the contestants

  • Marie Ruffin

    This is interesting! And it gives AI cred again. She will probably sign a one-album deal, something like what Gwyneth Paltrow is going to sign. But it’s true, she is moldable, and they probably see another Celine Dion in her. Celine has “retired” to Vegas, so there needs to be someone to step in her shoes. If Pia gets enough experience she could head a Las Vegas show — look at Carly. This is getting interesting.

    And yes, it will set a precedent. But they do that with the XFactor now. Cheryl Lloyd was signed by JayZ.

    Now, what I want to know is this: Will the “minorities” be signed? In the past if you were a black (or Latino), and didn’t make the top spot, you didn’t get a record contract.

  • Tony

    Wow. This is a bigger clown season than I thought. Days after the 9th place finisher is voted off the show, she gets a record deal? If people didn’t care about her THIS early on, what makes them think a rushed record is a good idea?

    I can hear it now. “She has a nice voice but I didn’t feel like getting her album.” lol

    Most of her exposure has been through being labeled as the “shock boot”, not due to her stint on the show. Contestants’ commercial viability increase after the weeks and weeks they spend on the show. This show is free publicity and with the latter stages comes more viewers and more free publicity. She’s gone now and has to compete with those still on it.

    Will anyone even still be talking about Pia when we start getting near the business end of this season? Scotty, Lauren, James and others will be on the lips of everyone in the next coming weeks and I suspect that Pia will be forgotten unless her album comes out tonight.

    I predict a failure of epic proportions and suspect that she will be dropped before the start of the next season.

  • lla2827

    I am wondering how the rest of the remaining contestants really feel about this announcement. I doubt they are shocked that she was signed by Interscope. It was probably common knowledge among them that she was a fave of Iovine. But, they may be shocked that it was made public immediately after her departure and that she will be recording and releasing music before the idol winner is crowned.

    I am sure that Scotty and Lauren realize that there are country record deals awaiting them. However, would they care that the 9th place finisher will get first crack at post idol success. As far as the others–I wouldn’t be surprised if they are feeling a little bummed out about now.

  • Kitwana

    Willis says:
    04/09/2011 at 3:09 pm
    Pia is UMG’s dream come true. She has a great look, a great voice, and can be completely molded. She can be taught/told her fashion and performance and be given some of the best top 40 songwriters. They’ll create an image for her. A collaboration would be the best way to get her out there. Remember when Timbaland did Promiscuous with Nelly Furtado and then she was “cool” all of a sudden?

    I agree with this. There is a real difference between the best performer on Idol and the person most likely to succeed after Idol. An older contestant who has had professional experience doing gigs may do better on Idol because he/she has experience performing live and doing what is needed to “connect” with the audience. However, this does not mean this contestant will be more successful than a “raw” contestant with tons of talent who can be molded. It’s sort of similar to the Spring training in baseball where older veterans compete against the young rookies. The veterans may do better than the rookies because they know the ins and outs of pro ball but the rookies will get selected because of their raw talent and upside. That’s how I see Pia. She may not yet have Paul’s showmanship, for example, but her talent and youth makes her potential unlimited. Any label would be wise to sign her just for the potential upside.

  • Mary102

    Huhn. Very interesting that it happened this fast. Yeah, gotta kind of agree with you, MJ – Pia getting a head start on the winner and getting signed so quickly essentially makes you almost WANT to get kicked off earlier.

    More and more the show and the real world are diverging imo – people are kept on or saved because of good tv rather than because of marketability in the real world (e.g. Casey). IDK.

    Plus you already have Nigel saying she wasn’t even that popular in the votes – so that shows you, unlike say a Daughtry, she didn’t really have the built in AI fanbase to go that far, and that is a crucial leg up in the real world for these guys post-AI – having, at least to start, a strong, invested AI fanbase. It’s why a lot of these people do the show in the first place.

    As Adam kept saying after S8 – he really just wanted to stay on as long as possible in order to build up that fanbase and support, because that’s what matters in the real world after AI ends.

    I’m curious as to what kind of album she’ll make too – I still think what she showed on AI, plus even doing “uptempo” current songs didn’t really give me the impression that she has that “IT” factor you really need to make it in pop. She has the voice and looks though, so she will be successful regardless, I just don’t know how it will work in pop radio, for instance.

  • Elek

    If her single takes off, she’ll be singing it at the finale with her own band. I doubt she’ll tour with the Idols. She’ll open for some bigger pop star this summer. It wouldn’t work for her to be with the other Idols. She’s the media darling and the star. She can’t be treated like a 9th place finisher.

    This season is all about Pia. She’s reached mythical proportions. Idol will still have 10. It wouldn’t make sense to make her do an Idol tour.

    It would also help the Idols if she wasn’t on tour with them to take the attention. I’m thinking business wise IF I were to sign anyone else than Pia, it would be better for the winner to be there without Pia. It’s the only way to give the winner any credibility. (Simon can change his mind on who he manages at any time)

    We don’t know what the winner’s contract is like. New company. And with today’s problems in the music industry, I doubt the winner’s contract is anything more than exposure and a little money.

    TG — I am not a fan of Pia, otherwise, I would still be ranting and hallucinating.

    The media are still talking because they’ve been paid to talk to increase Pia’s support so that the producers can look forward to having some profit when they release her album. But I doubt very much that it would be a success. And Pia’s career will forever be doomed. LOL.

  • Q3

    Hmm, Timbaland. Wasn’t he supposed to produce this year’s studio tracks at one point? Something mus have happened, or maybe I just made that up.

    You are remembering correctly.

    If you watch some of Pia’s old You Tubes, she has much more stage presence and personality when she performs than I saw on Idol. Maybe the Idol format and pressure just didn’t showcase her talent.

    One of the challenges with Idol is that if you can’t handle the pressure of competition and the “huge” audience, or if the producers frame a contestant in a certain way (Danny), or if you don’t pace yourself well (Daughtry), you don’t win. Cook handled the competition really well and had a great song choice strategy. Pia just didn’t connect with fans.

    Pia can really sing, looks great, and did well in her recent interviews.

    It helps to be able to sing and look great, but that is not enough. You need to be likable and that just didn’t come through for me until she did her post Idol talk shows.

  • CindyM

    We are just 2 days into this, the blood is still fresh, 7 weeks of idol is a long time and whoever the winner ends up being will have tons of buzz on its own.

    It depends on who wins. If whoever wins is not that great a singer but fits into the AI winner mold, the buzz could wind up being negative just like last year with Lee.

  • Lulu2

    I completely agree with the decision to give Pia a jump on the album front. America–and pre-teens–are skewing the results and the producers haven’t protected themselves and the show from that assault. But if they want a winner who has a bright future in show business, they were right to sign Pia and strike while the iron is hot. For the record, Haley, Lauren and Scotty look good to me for having respectable success, if not star-level success. THe others will probably do okay within their genres, but I’m not sure what genre Stefano is. In short, Pia deserves to be signed early. THis show is a talent-killer anyway. WHat are the producers and company doing to those poor kids? But they never ruined Pia’s vocal delivery, even if they didn’t school her on stagecraft, so kudos to her.

  • Mary102

    girlygirl says:
    04/09/2011 at 2:23 pm
    I wonder how they are going to handle the AI tour? Pia finished 9th. On the AI tour, they sing in reverse order of elimination, and the 9th place finisher sings 2 songs and is on stage for maybe 10 minutes. It wouldn’t be fair to the 8 people who finished in front of her to change up the order or to give Pia more time on stage. But what if she has a single making its way up the charts — would she just sing that and one other song?

    They’ll do the tour however the want – they’ll mix it up and give her more time IF she’s clearly one of the bigger draws for the tour. There’s no set way they technically HAVE to do it. S6 sounds like they mixed it up, for instance.

    S8 they technically gave Adam more on stage time than even Kris, because they knew he was a big draw. He had the SR duet to sorta “bend” the order “rules” that way.

  • phil25

    First of all this hasn’t been confirmed yet, so I don’t want to get too excited about it.

    Second, staying on the show is infinitely better than getting voted off even if you’re bound to get signed. It’s free publicity week after week. Stars desperately try to get booked for Idol just to perform for such a big audience.

    That being said, I’m happy for Pia and I don’t think it will hurt the show. A lot of people won’t know that she got the deal until after the finale which is around the time that I would assume her single would debut.

    The harm to the credibility of the winner was already done with the media and public’s reaction to her ouster, this won’t make it worse.

  • springboard

    I think most voters, the casual at least, are voting for whom they want to see perform the following week and/or win. I don´t believe many care what happens after the show, record contract or not. For them, when the show ends, so does any interest in the contestants

    I agree, but if she is promoted before then end of the show, the casual public will have to know because they will be the first targeted.

  • Mary102

    This season is all about Pia.

    Is it really? lol. Huhn, missed that memo ;-) A week ago it was all about Casey or at least the save, this week it’s about Pia getting the early boot, which, btw, seemed to get a lot of mixed feedback – a lot of people thought it was a shock and uncalled for, many also were not surprised and found her boring.

    I have no idea what attention she’ll get now that she’s off. Nigel/Interscope etc will have to be careful – they want to capitalize on her now and of course sell albums, but they want to keep the buzz on AI strong too. In fact, the show generates way more revenue than any one contestant does (including Carrie, lol).

    So, I tend to agree with some who say, 8 weeks is a long time before the finale, and in that time, the others and of course eventual winner and possibly runner up will likely get plenty of press and attention.

    I still think Scotty could win, and will be a huge media darling from it.

  • coinyman

    I say screw AI..They screwed her now she can get even LOL

    Seriously she should have won anyway so i say let her shine she deserves every bit of it. 100,000 followers on Twitter and Nigel says she was never a front runner so whats to fear for AI.

    Where do I put my orders in?

  • koshka

    Shouldn’t the Idol who takes the crown get first crack at the marketplace?

    I don’t think it should matter. She could possibly be more marketable than the 1st place winner. Why should she have to wait? Winners get plenty of perks & promotions, I don’t know why their is an expectation that they should get EVERYTHING. Maybe I’m just disillusioned with the winners marketability?

  • Elek

    This season is all about Pia.

    Is it really? lol. Huhn, missed that memo A week ago it was all about Casey or at least the save, this week it’s about Pia getting the early boot, which, btw, seemed to get a lot of mixed feedback – a lot of people thought it was a shock and uncalled for, many also were not surprised and found her boring.

    More LOLs and lollipops!

  • springboard

    I don’t think it should matter. She could possibly be more marketable than the 1st place winner. Why should she have to wait? Winners get plenty of perks & promotions, I don’t know why their is an expectation that they should get EVERYTHING. Maybe I’m just disillusioned with the winners marketability?

    But it would almost be an advantage to leave early and benefit from the buzz of a show still currently broadcast.

    I say screw AI..They screwed her now she can get even LOL

    Yes, she was so much better off before she tried for it!

  • Ratna12

    Guess winning doesn’t really matter that much anymore.

    I think that they should offer real money (in addition to guaranteed record deal) to the winner.

    I’m happy for Pia, but it will be a distraction to somebody like Haley. Lauren will get a record deal, I think.

  • monleo1705

    Pia honey, I adore you but don’t you think you might be rushing into things a tad quick? Gosh, shop around!! With her level of talent and buzz that she’s generating, she shouldnt be worried about not getting deals..

    And is it just me but there is just something off about this Jimmy iodine guy that I don’t trust? Hello, if he’s such a renowned producer, why do all e songs on AI this year sound like it’s out of a old 80s movie recorded in a basement?

  • bean99

    I do think if Pia is signed and getting buzz by the tour, they will give her a bit more time. I remember Michael Johns getting a bit of preferential treatment during the finale (along with Carly) and on tour even though he went out 8th in another shock boot. I doubt it will be one-sided or upstage anyone however. Maybe she’ll come and do a duet in the 2nd half or get more time in the group song. Of course all bets are off if Scotty and a couple of the other frontrunners gets voted off next. :)

    Edited to add that I don’t think Pia can shop around for a deal unless she wants to wait until after her contract with the show runs out.

  • koshka

    I think that they should offer real money (in addition to guaranteed record deal) to the winner.

    LOL Excellent idea!!! :)

    THey already get a boat load of money.

  • Elliegrll

    It wouldn’t be fair to the 8 people who finished in front of her to change up the order or to give Pia more time on stage.

    I think it was clear to most people that Sony favored Daughtry over Taylor Hicks, but there was no need to change performance order on the tour. Once again, what they do to appease the AI fans, and show that someone is AI champion, is different than what they are going to do to present someone as a legitimate artist. I think we have a fairly recent example of this.

    I doubt she’ll tour with the Idols. She’ll open for some bigger pop star this summer.

    She’s going on the tour. The cash cow is still the show, and Pia is still signed with 19, who isn’t going to let UMG do something that stupid to mess up their main source of income.

    Edited to add that I don’t think Pia can shop around for a deal unless she wants to wait until after her contract with the show runs out.

    It has to be 19′s choice not to extend the contract, the contestants have no choice.

  • Fullmoon

    More LOLs and lollipops!

    Other than Scotty or Lauren, no one is going to be on anyone’s radar after Idol.

  • springboard
    I think that they should offer real money (in addition to guaranteed record deal) to the winner.

    LOL Excellent idea!!! :)

    Yes, it is an excellent idea. Like this it would be the money that differentiates the winner’s prize to the others, and the label could give away the deals they want without it looking like they do more than for the winner.

  • koshka

    But it would almost be an advantage to leave early and benefit from the buzz of a show still currently broadcast.

    If it was such an advantage there would be many, many more successful lower placed finishers on the big label, but reality is that there aren’t. The majority of successful idols in terms of record sells still mostly come from the top 2.

    Pia isn’t successful yet and its not like we know they signed Naima or Thia. Who is to say Interscope isn’t just in it for the quick buck?

  • monleo1705

    Edited to add that I don’t think Pia can shop around for a deal unless she wants to wait until after her contract with the show runs out.

    Bean99- oh, do you mean that the kids are not allowed to sign with any record label after they are ousted. EXCEPT for Jimmy’s label?? Wow… Talk about monopoly..

  • Q3

    I think most voters, the casual at least, are voting for whom they want to see perform the following week and/or win. I don´t believe many care what happens after the show, record contract or not. For them, when the show ends, so does any interest in the contestants

    I do not think there are casual voters — just the commitment of voting goes beyond casual. I think there are a lot of viewers who don’t vote but buy music, and some really committed voters/fans who vote a lot.

    What is odd about Pia is that she has 91K Twitter followers — significantly more than Durbin, Paul, Lauren, and so on. My bet is that her fans didn’t know she needed their votes.

    But I also think her song choices and arrangements were just boring, boring, boring.

    She did leave Idol with the highest rating on WNTS’ contestant list — so someone liked her: http://www.whatnottosing.com/contestants.asp besting Melinda Doolittle by 0.1 points. Hopefully she will fare better than Melinda.

  • HappyDaisy

    I don’t understand the media frenzy over Pia. I guess the nation needs a distraction badly.

    Pia’s getting her 15 minutes of fame. Wasn’t the title of Kristy Lee Cook’s single (on her rushed album) 15 Minutes of Shame?

    The only reason to talk for a minute about Pia’s exit is that there are 3-4 guys who should have been voted off before her. Should she have won Idol? Based on her performances and plan to sing Somewhere, NO WAY.

    monleo1705: why do all the songs on AI this year sound like it’s out of a old 80s movie recorded in a basement?

    Oh yeah.

  • dcglam

    Pia has been handed a huge and wonderful opportunity.
    I’m looking forward to seeing what she does with it.

  • springboard

    If it was such an advantage there would be many, many more successful lower placed finishers on the big label, but reality is that there aren’t. The majority of successful idols in terms of record sells still mostly come from the top 2.

    Because in the past, they were not releasing anything before the winner.
    It looks like Universal got a better deal than Sony, that allows them to take advantage of the AI buzz for all contestants they are interested in earlier.

  • gangreen29

    Bean99- oh, do you mean that the kids are not allowed to sign with any record label after they are ousted. EXCEPT for Jimmy’s label?? Wow… Talk about monopoly..

    Not until 6 months after the show I believe. Whatever label is associated with the show has always had first right of refusal.

  • ross

    I wonder how they are going to handle the AI tour? Pia finished 9th. On the AI tour, they sing in reverse order of elimination, and the 9th place finisher sings 2 songs and is on stage for maybe 10 minutes. It wouldn’t be fair to the 8 people who finished in front of her to change up the order or to give Pia more time on stage. But what if she has a single making its way up the charts — would she just sing that and one other song?

    Why would all the Idol fans who didn’t vote for her want to see her sing a lot? I know I wouldn’t. Just because she’s being validated by Interscope records with a contract, does everyone now have to fall in line with their agenda like a bunch of sheep?

    Unfortunately, they probably will. I even see it happening here. Just last week you could hardly read a post about her that wasn’t critical. What happened? Jimmy Iovine wants her? Sorry, I still don’t get her, don’t expect to get her.

  • gangreen29

    What is odd about Pia is that she has 91K Twitter followers — significantly more than Durbin, Paul, Lauren, and so on. My bet is that her fans didn’t know she needed their votes.

    She took the lead in twitter followers after she was voted out. Before that she was neck and neck with Lauren but Scott and Casey were ahead of them both.

  • koshka

    Because in the past, they were not releasing anything before the winner.
    It looks like Universal got a better deal than Sony, that allows them to take advantage of the AI buzz for all contestants they are interested in earlier.

    I think if RCA would have wanted them, they would have signed more top12 – top3 contestants, but they didn’t. If Interscope continues to cherry pick, I think it will be for one off singles like Chris Medina. They’ll see if anything catches fire. I’m not convinced that Interscope is getting any better of a deal until I see some good sales.

  • Q3

    Bean99- oh, do you mean that the kids are not allowed to sign with any record label after they are ousted. EXCEPT for Jimmy’s label?? Wow… Talk about monopoly..

    They have to sign with 19 Recordings. UMG has an exclusive right of first refusal to any finalist they want.

    Not a monopoly — an exclusive. If UMG does not want them, they can go elsewhere but they are signed to 19R unless 19R drops them for 7 years or 5 studio albums.

  • Trina

    Her followers literally doubled within the last couple of days. When I was looking at followers earlier in the week she had around 48k. She’s also still gaining faster than all the others currently.

    I think even before the UMG takeover you had to sign within 19/Sony or wait until the contract with 19 is up.

  • abl890

    Pia has been handed a huge and wonderful opportunity. I’m looking forward to seeing what she does with it.

    I think a lot depends on the record company. Are they willing to put the time and effort into helping her succeed, or just a quick song for a buck.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    I wonder how they are going to handle the AI tour? Pia finished 9th. On the AI tour, they sing in reverse order of elimination, and the 9th place finisher sings 2 songs and is on stage for maybe 10 minutes. It wouldn’t be fair to the 8 people who finished in front of her to change up the order or to give Pia more time on stage.

    11 contestants go on tour this year. 11th-9th place are all women. I think it would be better if they mixed up the performance order.

  • kansasfemale

    I don’t think AI should have allowed it simply because it makes it look like there is “talk” and “verbal contracts” happening behind the scenes with Jimmy Iovine. Not really a conflict of interests, but perhaps personal motives to “help” one contestant more than the other….if Jimmy is sitting there offering constructive criticism he should do it without bias. To me it just makes the whole AI production seem even more contrived than it did previously…didn’t think that was possible.

    From a financial standpoint, I just wonder what in the world they are thinking. If there wasn’t enough interest in the public to keep her in the game….when all it took was dialing or texting a silly number…how on earth do they think that same public is going to be even more invested – to the point of spending money on a thrown-together CD?

  • luvmy5guys

    I think they are over estimating the fan base still but I wish Pia good luck. As the season moves on people will forget about her so I dont blame them for rushing it. I wish her luck but I never paid the money to download her on Itunes (though I did download some others) and most likely will not be paying to buy her cd.

  • girlygirl

    Q3

    Mumford & Sons and The Avett Brothers have already crossed over into the mainstream. Especially Mumford & Sons. I hear them on both 98.7 (alt rock) and KBIG (Hot AC) all the time. Their tour is selling out left and right. And their album has gone platinum in 6 countries, including the U.S. Now, whether more like bands will be able to do the same is TBD, but they have definitely crossed into the mainstream

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigh_No_More_%28Mumford_%26_Sons_album%29

  • Nina1

    I sure hope she has a lawyer look at this. I heard she was in a meeting yesterday, but figured it couldn’t be true as she was in interviews with every show on television.

    This is probably not good for the show, but this may not be the first time it happens this year. Something tells me Scott will be offered a quickie contract if he gets the boot. Winning hasn’t really been relevant for a while; maybe they need to increase the cash jackpot to a million or ten.

    This is good for Pia only if she gets good music. Fast albums don’t seem to produce the best result.

    ETA: Actually, this could be a benefit to the tour. If runners up have records out, potentially the audience for the tour will be bigger, even enormous. Better be a good record!

  • girlygirl

    There does seem to be a disconnect between what Nigel is claiming (that she wasn’t a frontrunner in terms of the voting and didn’t connect to the fans) and her getting signed to Interscope. Maybe Interscope is banking on her appealing more to the general music buying public rather than assuming she will get this huge boost from her AI fanbase. It will also be interesting if a lot of people who were outraged over her ouster end up actually buying her music. I’m sure some will, but others will probably get over this “outrage” fairly quickly

  • yksask

    This is probably not good for the show, but this may not be the first time it happens this year. Something tells me Scott will be offered a quickie contract if he gets the boot. Winning hasn’t really been relevant for a while; maybe they need to increase the cash jackpot to a million or ten.

    If they don`t want them to record when they are booted they need to make them sign a contract indicating this. Is she the first to record before the show has ended?

  • Sue123

    Not to stick up for the 19 Conglomerate, but really they all should have right to first refusal at the very least through the tour.

    If you think about it, the contestants are getting something pretty amazing. They’re getting coaching, training, styling and exposure that money cannot possibly buy. They are all being given the opportunity of a lifetime, as long as they make it into the Top 10 and as long as they’re willing to work hard. I do hope that UMG is better at not trying to just make a quick buck off the contestants than Sony/BMG was. I hope that they actually mentor and mold them – time will tell.

  • Q3

    gangreen29 says:
    04/09/2011 at 4:24 pm

    What is odd about Pia is that she has 91K Twitter followers — significantly more than Durbin, Paul, Lauren, and so on. My bet is that her fans didn’t know she needed their votes.

    She took the lead in twitter followers after she was voted out. Before that she was neck and neck with Lauren but Scott and Casey were ahead of them both.

    Yes, she picked up +30K after the boot news — but people aren’t following her because they do not care. Casey got more press after his save. Durbin has been a press magnet. Just think it is odd that she has 91K followers, was highly rated by many Idol watchers, and still got voted off.

    She was picked by many people as a likely top finisher — and many Idol watchers expected her to do well on the show but questioned her commercial appeal. Here is what MJ wrote on March 21st — and I think she nailed it:

    2. Pia Toscano – We know Pia can nail those Whitney Houston tunes, but what kind of record will she make once she leaves the show? Can she be a contemporary artist? To win, Pia needs to figure out who she is in this competition and beyond. She needs to broaden her choices beyond the catalogs of big-voiced divas like Whitney.

    Link: http://mjsbigblog.com/american-idol-10-top-11-power-list.htm

    I think that she can be packaged as a commercially viable artist. But I remain surprised that she might already be signed to a record deal.

    I did not expect her to fall off at #9 — beaten by Stefano Langone and Haley Reinhart. #7 would not have been as much of a surprise to me — and I expected her to last until #3 or #4.

  • abl890

    From a financial standpoint, I just wonder what in the world they are thinking. If there wasn’t enough interest in the public to keep her in the game….when all it took was dialing or texting a silly number…how on earth do they think that same public is going to be even more invested – to the point of spending money on a thrown-together CD?

    The idol audience is a small percentage of the population. Kelly and Carrie, are two examples, they had to have broader appeal to become successes. There’s no way to know if Pia will be a star, and the idol audience would definitely help, but she’ll need broader appeal to get there. Which until something is released we won’t know.

  • colette

    It’s now the Jimmy Iovine Show.

    And he just crowned her the season 10 American Idol.

  • Nina1

    Maybe Interscope is banking on her appealing more to the general music buying public rather than assuming she will get this huge boost from her AI fanbase.

    Contestants might do better if their post idol music was in their best genre, rather than just pop. I was thinking this morning that I would buy a jazz cd from Casey, but I can’t imagine buying a pop album of his. Stefano can do pop, but some of the others? Nah, uh.

    Actually, post-Idol lousy sales are in large part not the contestant’s fault. You often love a voice, but they release such garbage it’s a turn-off. I would have bought many idols records. Sadly, I insist on listening to them first.

  • HermeticallySealed

    The finalists are all under contract with the show. Pia is not pulling one over anyone. If she signed with Interscope, you can bet the farm it’s with AI’s blessing, if not their idea.

    As for the idea that she is going to take the music world by storm, or some other similar notion; haven’t we heard that every season about one or more non-winners? Crystal was supposed to go 4x platinum and change the face of music. Even Adam, who isn’t doing badly, still didn’t reach the epic sales fans declared. Black Swan, anyone? Fact is, a pretty face and good voice does not equal guaranteed hit maker.

    Pia’s fans would do good to pay attention to past contestants’ trials. Hope for the best, but better be prepared for the worst, because the latter is far more likely of the two.

  • tomr

    Where will she be in 10 years? Just a contestant on “Where Are They Now?” Best to get the quick buck and hopefully invest it well because she will need it to live on 3-5 years down the road when the record label drops her as others have done to previous contestants who finished higher. How many would you consider successful presently who were on the show more than 3 years ago? Not that many: Kelly, Fantasia?,Jennifer, Carrie, Daughtery, Kellie, Jordan?, maybe a couple more. Considering that about 60 went on tour the first 6 seasons, not that many. How many are supported by major record labels from that group? The longevity of Idols after their season is mostly 2-3 years at best. Otherwise is rare rather than the norm. The public’s attention span doesn’t last beyond that 2-3years for most of them. If they get a good mid-level career out of it in the long run, they should consider themselves successful.

  • Mitchel

    If there wasn’t enough interest in the public to keep her in the game….when all it took was dialing or texting a silly number…how on earth do they think that same public is going to be even more invested – to the point of spending money on a thrown-together CD?

    I don’t think there is any correltation between where someone finishes on Idol and how well they will sell records anymore. Neither Ruben Studdard, Taylor Hicks, Kris Allen Lee Dewyze were the top CD sellers of their seasons. Justin Guarini, Diana DiGarmo, Bo Bice, Kat McPhee, Blake Lewis were dropped after their 1st album. David Archuleta currently is not signed. Yet 3 of the most successful Idols continue to be Chris Daughtry, Kelli Pickler and Jennifer Hudson, none of who even finished in the Top 3.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I sure hope she has a lawyer look at this. I heard she was in a meeting yesterday, but figured it couldn’t be true as she was in interviews with every show on television.

    At this point all of the Top12 are represented by the same law firm they “selected” as a group.

  • Elliegrll

    Bean99- oh, do you mean that the kids are not allowed to sign with any record label after they are ousted. EXCEPT for Jimmy’s label?? Wow… Talk about monopoly..

    The aren’t allowed to sign with anyone, except 19. They signed a contract when they made the top 40 or 60 that keeps them tied to 19 until the end of August, but it also gives 19 the right of first refusal to sign them to a recording and/or management contract. Of course, if a UMG label wants someone, 19R is going to capitalize by signing them to a deal.

    I sure hope she has a lawyer look at this. I heard she was in a meeting yesterday, but figured it couldn’t be true as she was in interviews with every show on television.

    Everybody in the top 40 had to sign with the same law firm, when they signed their initial contract with 19. 19 gave them three law firms to pick from, with the majority deciding who would handle their contracts. It’s just another example of the whole deal with 19 being a little sketchy, but nobody forced them to sign the contract or appear on the show.

  • halo9125

    If she signed with Interscope, you can bet the farm it’s with AI’s blessing, if not their idea.

    Hmmmm….must be the conspiracy theorist in me- but methinks you are on to something. Is it possible that TPTB KNEW that there was a major voting glitch- and this is the payoff, rather than admit there was a problem with the voting (which would have haunted them all season)?

    Or maybe Pia was voted off from the grassy knoll….just sayin’, lol.

  • Trina

    Nigel also tweeted he was shocked she was voted off. Nigel talks out of his ass a lot. Jennifer Hudson literally went from being the top vote getter to being voted off.

    Eta: lol ikr I thought Crystal was going to platinum by May?

  • mmb

    I dont think this is at all surprising. Universal said from the get go that they intended to have a bunch of the finalists get music out quick and start recording during the run of the show. So they are just doing with Pia what they announced long ago they planned to do. I am sure that universal and tptb are less concerned with her vote totals on the show ( which everyone knows are cast predominantly by tween and middle age women the majority if whom do not but their favorites music anyway) and mote interested in the reaction of the( probably) nonvoting public. I doubt her signing will impact the tour. I expect other booted contestants to also get signed. It remains to be seen how she will do commercially. But it makes sense for everyone to strike while iron is hot

  • abl890

    Where will she be in 10 years? Just a contestant on “Where Are They Now?” Best to get the quick buck and hopefully invest it well because she will need it to live on 3-5 years down the road when the record label drops her as others have done to previous contestants who finished higher.

    Tomr, I agree totally. I like Pia, but becoming the next Madonna, Mariah, etc. is almost impossible. More power to her if she pulls it off. In the interviews she said she’s interested in other things to, so keeping all avenues open is really important.

  • http://www.myspace.com/cathwood cookrocks

    I know that Michael Johns was told during the Idol tour that he was free to pursue a record deal elsewhere. So 19 can release a finalist whenever they want to. I don’t think they would hold any finalist hostage and not let them pursue other avenues just because they can. You can be sure Jimmy Iovine worked out something to sign Pia now. All 19 cares about is spending minimal amounts of money and getting maximum returns. If they wanted to promote Pia as a solo artist they wouldn’t have let her go so quickly. Or maybe they figure if she does well with Interscope they might try to buy her contract out later on. Not everyone cares about seeing a singer moving around, and with the right song, Pia could do really well on radio.

  • Elek

    From a financial standpoint, I just wonder what in the world they are thinking. If there wasn’t enough interest in the public to keep her in the game….when all it took was dialing or texting a silly number…how on earth do they think that same public is going to be even more invested – to the point of spending money on a thrown-together CD?

    As I have pointed out earlier, it’s a risky gamble but the contract would probably not cost Iovine that much considering her credentials and current status. And when her single/album fails to reach the target (which I can already foresee), it will be an instant end to Pia’s career. It’s definitely a lose-lose situation!

  • karenc

    I don’t know what to think, good for her if she’s getting a contract out of this, but I kind of think it’s all happening too fast, and I though the same thing when Chris Medina got his single. I think to some extent this was planned.

    I also wonder if she had more potential than we have seen on the show, she seemed to earlier on to be more interesting. Though, I’m not sure if she would be considered pop, depending on the kind of music she does.

    I can’t help wondering that with the involvement of the music producers, if they favor someone to win much younger that could be marketed more current to win, but are still sigining people they think might appeal to an adult audience.

    Anyway, I agree that they shouldn’t announce album deals before the winner is announced, that is a major change.

  • Elliegrll

    Hmmmm….must be the conspiracy theorist in me- but methinks you are on to something. Is it possible that TPTB KNEW that there was a major voting glitch- and this is the payoff, rather than admit there was a problem with the voting (which would have haunted them all season)?

    Or maybe Pia was voted off from the grassy knoll….just sayin’, lol

    There’s no conspiracy theory. She already signed to 19, and when her deal is announced, it will look like everybody else’s, her label will be 19R, and her music will be licensed to Interscope.

    It doesn’t matter how many AI fans she had, the point is to make money by exposing her to the general public. This should be the plan for anyone who is signed from the show, because if it’s not, they aren’t going to be with their label for very long.

  • Caffiend

    I think this quick signing, and the immediate announcement of it, on a Saturday no less, is by no small measure a PR move, designed by AI to appease the indignant masses, compensate for the show not supporting her enough and providing crappy judging, prove that the show does champion females, and try to restore the momentum that took a serious hit with Pia’s ouster.

  • Nina1

    Everybody in the top 40 had to sign with the same law firm, when they signed their initial contract with 19. 19 gave them three law firms to pick from, with the majority deciding who would handle their contracts. It’s just another example of the whole deal with 19 being a little sketchy, but nobody forced them to sign the contract or appear on the show.

    Oy. “Sketchy” ain’t the word for it. “Illegal” and “duress” seem more appropriate.

  • dishwalla

    As I have pointed out earlier, it’s a risky gamble but the contract would probably not cost Iovine that much considering her credentials and current status. And when her single/album fails to reach the target (which I can already foresee), it will be an instant end to Pia’s career. It’s definitely a lose-lose situation!

    Well, it’s not as if Pia (or any of the Idols from Season 10) currently has a thriving career in the industry, so I can’t see how it will be a lose-lose for her. A lot of Idols have been dropped from their contracts, and they still continue to make a living in the business. And I don’t see how making some money and getting to work with established professionals will be a lose-lose for Pia at all.

  • tripp_ncwy

    It was no surprise to Nigel and Idol that Pia got voted off. They probably saw it coming.

    Telescope, the company that compiles the voting results supplies a lot of information to the producers.

    “Toll-free statistics were available via a specially designed secure web site with password access, which provided real-time results. The SMS reporting package was specially modified to provide the same reports as for the toll-free voting. As well as standard ‘total votes per contestant’ reports, the systems also provided numerous other reports including most frequent voting numbers, votes by State, votes by city, number of unique voters etc, all of which is useful for future marketing/research.”

    http://www.telescope.tv/americanIdol2.html

  • HermeticallySealed

    Saturday no less, is by no small measure a PR move, designed by AI to appease the indignant masses, compensate for the show not supporting her enough and providing crappy judging, prove that the show does champion females, and try to restore the momentum that took a serious hit with Pia’s ouster.

    LOL What more should they have been expected to do to support her? Force people to vote for her? If she can’t make it with the same support the others got, she wasn’t worth it. Fact is, the judges constantly praised her as the best voice, the worst criticism she got was to connect more and show her ability to do uptempo. OMG, how cruel!!

    Seriously, this was hardly a disaster for the show on any level. In fact, the publicity the show gets is entirely worth it for them.

  • Montavilla

    I think this will be very good timing for Pia. She probably won’t have time to record an entire album, but she will have time to put out a single by the time the tour starts.

    If she sings two songs on the tour, I would imagine they’ll have one of them be her single.

  • mmb

    Oy. “Sketchy” ain’t the word for it. “Illegal” and “duress” seem more appropriate.

    The contestants are hardly under duress and there is nothing illegal about the contract process. The law firms the contestants get to choose from are among the best in the country. Any contestant that doesn’t like the deal can simply walk away- no one forced them to audition and no one forces them tonstsy in the competition. Others have dropped out in the past. These kids are hardly victims. This is an opportunity that they may never get otherwise. In every negotiation between unknown talent and a record label/ tv show etc there is unequal bargaining power. I see nothing wrong with the process

  • Mel1

    I think there are a lot of viewers who don’t vote but buy music, and some really committed voters/fans who vote a lot.

    To add to your sentence: “…and some really committed voters/fans who vote a lot”… but not buy music or go to concerts.

  • Elliegrll

    and try to restore the momentum that took a serious hit with Pia’s ouster

    I really doubt that the show was going to be hurt by her ouster. Aside from losing a very talented person, I doubt that the ratings would have fallen, and the media would have found something else to talk about by next week. The claims of voters not voting for female contestants could have hurt the show, but I don’t think that meme had picked up a lot of steam, yet, and I doubt that Pia’s signing could have stopped it.

    Telescope, the company that compiles the voting results supplies a lot of information to the producers.

    Nigel has talked about this in the past.

  • Fullmoon

    Pia wasn’t voted off, she was removed. They are going for the youngies Scotty/Lauren. They don’t need another rocker especially a 2nd rate imitation one. Stefano??? maybe. Everyone else will go the route every other Idol who didn’t reach top 2-3 will go which is your on your own.

  • Q3

    girlygirl says:
    04/09/2011 at 4:36 pm

    Q3

    Mumford & Sons and The Avett Brothers have already crossed over into the mainstream. Especially Mumford & Sons. I hear them on both 98.7 (alt rock) and KBIG (Hot AC) all the time. Their tour is selling out left and right. And their album has gone platinum in 6 countries, including the U.S. Now, whether more like bands will be able to do the same is TBD, but they have definitely crossed into the mainstream

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigh_No_More_%28Mumford_%26_Sons_album%29

    I think it is just the definition of what is “current”. And to me — current does not mean commercially successful (SuBo was commercially successful but not current.)

    Paul’s music comes out of the folk-rock and country-fold traditions of the 1960′s and 1970′s.

    Mumford & Sons are the most successful current folk-rock band but they have not managed to cross-over to Mainstream pop radio. They have gotten airplay on adult pop and rock/alt rock stations. And they achieved commercial success.

    And the Avett Brothers who have been putting out quality albums since 2000 and toured with Dave Mathews, have never have had a hit single. Crystal is actually one of the most successful US artists representing this broad genre — although she veers more towards pop music than most. So maybe combined with Idol fame, and if he finishes high on Idol, Paul can do really well.

    And IMO Pia could outsell Paul & his band because she lines up with a very popular genre — the Adult Pop world of Gorbin (who she opened for), Buble, and the classic female pop singers. JMHO if they try to push her into the Fergie/Katy Perry or even Bruno Mars space it will be a mistake. For me, she lacks credibility for this kind of contemporary music. Look at how many album Buble, Bocelli and Boyle have sold lately. It is a big market — filled with people who still pay for music.

    And unless Interscope repackages Pia — she doesn’t fit my definition of “current”. Similarly, unless Paul shifts dramatically, I would not describe his music as “current” — although I like his music and would probably despise hearing him do a duet with Katy Perry or Kesha. So I am happy for him to be just the way he is.

    Not every successful recording artist needs to be a Top 40 pop artist. And letting people be who they are would be a good thing vs. turning everyone into mini-Kesha and Gaga and BEPs.

  • dishwalla

    Seriously, this was hardly a disaster for the show on any level. In fact, the publicity the show gets is entirely worth it for them.

    So if Pia gets signed by Interscope, it will hardly be a disaster for her as well. MJ said it best – Pia probably wouldn’t have gotten all this buzz if she had indeed continued on the show. The goal for all the Idols is to get a record deal. She just happened to fast forward and be the first to score from Season 10.

    There are only 2 people in the Finals, which means 6 people will be voted off before the finale. And I doubt most of those 6, if any, will get a recording contract with a major record label.

  • Elliegrll

    Pia wasn’t voted off, she was removed.

    I know what you are implying, but the fact is that nobody is ever voted off. People vote for their favorites, not the people who they want to leave.

    As far as Stefano goes, his genre is pop/r&b, not pop/rock. He could be successful in that genre, but he really needs a lot more training, as well as thicker skin.

  • HermeticallySealed

    So if Pia gets signed by Interscope, it will hardly be a disaster for her as well.

    Pretty much. This was a win/win. I honestly think that she wouldn’t have made it past 4th or 5th, and at that point it wouldn’t have nearly been the media getter it is at 9th. AI doesn’t need her, but gets free publicity for it, and she gets a chance at an album. Nothing for anyone to be sad about.

  • Buffynut

    S8 they technically gave Adam more on stage time than even Kris, because they knew he was a big draw. He had the SR duet to sorta “bend” the order “rules” that way.

    This was posted quite a few pages back and I just have to correct it. Adam did not have more songs than Kris. Adam and Kris had the same amount. And the Slow Ride duet bent the rules for Allison. It gave her an extra opportunity to come back on stage. Adam’s order, as next to last, was not bent in any way.
    I’ve been thinking, that with the 3 girls eliminated in a row, they might do the tour different this summer anyway. Maybe more like Season 6, with more duets and group numbers and mixed up order. It would be fun to see it done differently.

  • Niall

    Tomr, I agree totally. I like Pia, but becoming the next Madonna, Mariah, etc. is almost impossible.

    It is, but that level of success isn’t necessary to have a solid career post-idol. There’s a wide swath of area between the superstar heights of a Carrie Underwood or Jennifer Hudson, and the utter failure of Lee DeWyze or Sanjaya.

  • Q3

    They were going to put out music from more contestants and do it quickly before the season started.

    They made a bit of money on Chris Medina’s single — although that seemed like an opportunistic attempt to make a buck.

    I hope they have a longer-term plan for Pia — but I will wait and see.

    I do not think she had the votes and really see no evidence of tons of supporters who are shocked that she was voted off the show. (Although Dial Idol had her as safe.)

    And this is certainly not equal to the level of online and press angst that occurred with Daughtry was voted off at #4 or Adam was in the Bottom 2/3 on the Top 5 show.

    Everyone will be on to a new Idol story next week. And in the end Scott will prob win.

  • Nina1

    Not every successful recording artist needs to be a Top 40 pop artist. And letting people be who they are would be a good thing vs. turning everyone into mini-Kesha and Gaga and BEPs.

    I guess my impression is that AI winners are kind of pushed into a Top 40 market, with some exceptions. I have become so I just hate to see someone I like win Idol, because I know I will loathe their recorded product. It almost ruins the contest.

  • NOLA

    If Pia can score a record deal with a major label without going through the grueling and obviously bias AI process, I would say she wins in the long run.

    Let’s wait for her numbers before we claim her a winner. LOL
    This should be fun to watch!

  • Q3

    It is, but that level of success isn’t necessary to have a solid career post-idol. There’s a wide swath of area between the superstar heights of a Carrie Underwood or Jennifer Hudson, and the utter failure of Lee DeWyze or Sanjaya.

    That is not quite fair — Sanjaya has a recurring spot on E!’s The Soup.

    But ITA — I think that she will get a full album and be moderately successful. And, if she is really like and gets a great song, have a hit single to two.

    And she has a shot of outselling most of the contestants on AI10 and everyone from AI9 — and that doesn’t require her to be a superstar — just put out a solid adult pop album.

  • NOLA

    The camera loves her – she is tall with a beautiful figure. I think Pia is on her way to becomig a star.

    Sorry; but this will be a moot point when listening to a CD.

  • nncw

    I agree with MJ it is distracting and makes the point of the show more ambiguous if the contestants are signed up while the competition is still in progress never mind that that contestant has actually been eliminated from the competition. But besides the competition there is another aspect of the show and that is for an artist to receive exposure and hopefully advance his or her career just by being on the show so I don’t see it as a major contradiction. Plus it seems that the norm of society is rules can be broken or circumstances are alway shifting from under your feet so you need to be prepared for anything that comes at you! The competition goes beyond this competition.

  • Valentin432

    Sorry; but this will be a moot point when listening to a CD.

    Yes but I don’t think it’s a moot point when it comes down to selling cds.

  • halo9125

    The camera loves her – she is tall with a beautiful figure.

    LOL- she is a peanut, about 5’2″ or 3″ if that- hence the need for those mega high heels. But she’ll have a lovely CD cover pic.

    Seriously though- who buys CDs these days, anyway? Don’t most people purchase the tracks they like from a CD (and nothing more) from iTunes?

  • Inconnu

    I too have been thinking of Season 5 in that I can see of lot of them being signed. In S5, Taylor, Kat, Elliott, Chris, Paris, Kellie, Bucky – maybe I’m forgetting someone – they all ended up with a Record deal.

    I could see many of them being signed this year. Or I may be totally wrong about this. :-)

    ETA: and ITA that signing Pia now is a PR move.

  • Mel1

    S8 they technically gave Adam more on stage time than even Kris, because they knew he was a big draw. He had the SR duet to sorta “bend” the order “rules” that way.

    Numerous people actually timed the top four performances. Kris actually did have more minutes on stage than Adam. It’s just that Adam made more of an impact than Kris on the AI tour.

    I’m sure they’ll figure out how to fit Pia in the summer tour. Maybe she’ll have more solos and fewer group performances.

  • MrDuffin

    Pia wasn’t voted off, she was removed.

    ITA….the votes from the public mean nothing IMO.

  • Nostradamas

    Boy, for such a “boring” (not my opinion BTW) person she sure gets people fired up and talking….LOL!

    Hopefully, she’ll get to live her dream (now)…..as for the rest of the show, I couldn’t care less…no ‘stars’ left anyway.

    If Scotty McCreepy gets some fool to sign him, he’ll make Lee Whatshisname’s sales look like Micheal Jackson in comparison….lol…

  • Elliegrll

    Yes but I don’t think it’s a moot point when it comes down to selling cds.

    Her physical attractiveness won’t be a moot point when it comes to getting her magazine covers or tv appearances, which will lead to people knowing about her and her music.

    Tomr, I agree totally. I like Pia, but becoming the next Madonna, Mariah, etc. is almost impossible.

    She doesn’t have to be the next Madonna. Not only are their varying levels of success, there have also been plenty of people who have found success since Madonna was at her peak.

  • Q3

    I guess my impression is that AI winners are kind of pushed into a Top 40 market, with some exceptions. I have become so I just hate to see someone I like win Idol, because I know I will loathe their recorded product. I could be a compulsive Idol product buyer but AI won’t let me. It almost ruins the contest.

    I think it is a whole new ballgame with UMG because they more aggressively use radio vs. Sony. But the Sony history is mixed and they were very conservative about pushing Idol singles to US Pop radio.

    I am not a fan of most of the Idol-Sony music but hard to blame it on pop music. Seems to me that Idol has had it’s biggest impact on HAC radio over the first 9 seasons. Post Carrie, the Idol impact on Country music has increased — but so far no one has come close to her level.

    Excluding coronation songs — here’s my take:

    Kelly, Jordin, Daughtry and Adam — more than one single from debut album pushed to Top 40. (One could debate how much push there was for Kellly’s “Low”. Jordin also pushed to R&B stations.)
    Taylor, Crystal, Lee — very little push to radio at all, Lee a bit to HAC.
    Carrie, Danny, Kellie P, Casey, etc. — pushed primarily to Country.
    Cook, Kris, Archie — Lead album single pushed to Top 40. (1 song each)
    Ruben, Fantasia — were push heavily to R&B/Urban radio, secondarily to Top 40

    I do not think we’ll see a major Top 40 artist from this season. But there could be a major country artist — Lauren or Scott. And I think Paul can match Crystal in the folk-rock-Americana space — and that would put him near/at the top of the genre.

    I also think Pia can do well in Adult Pop. I think the rest are all meh or just not quite the right total package. But it is early and there are a couple of wild cards still in play. On the Top 9 in AI8 I never would have guessed that Danny would be a country artist. So I am getting out my popcorn for the rest of the ride.

  • Elliegrll

    Seriously though- who buys CDs these days, anyway? Don’t most people purchase the tracks they like from a CD (and nothing more) from iTunes?

    People still buy a lot more physical cds than digital cds.

  • Nina1

    Seriously though- who buys CDs these days, anyway?

    Um, the one person you hear of buying the whole thing? It’s me. I love cover art, liner notes, all of it.

  • weareallinnocent

    Waving hello from the knoll, at which I regularly scoff but on which I now apparently live. :-)

    Pia was never a frontrunner, but obviously a talent. Tedder wanted to work with her, but got yanked last minute. Sad. Pia’s votes started to wane, rather than gain. So, !shock! !boot! to cause neverbeforehad allegiance to Pia. Then, overnight signing and quick product to market to take advantage of current sentiment (however manufactured it is.)

    Interesting… at least to me…

    Labels have launched artists on less. We’ll see how this goes. Good luck to Pia~

  • jeff2683

    I always buy a physical CD and then if there are bonus tracks on iTunes or other sites, I download from there as well.

  • lili_anne7

    According to E!, Pia hasn’t signed a contract yet. Interscope wants to record a single, nothing was said about an album yet:

    Toscano’s rep tells us that chatter about a done deal is “all rumor,” but E! News has learned that while a record contract hasn’t been signed just yet, Interscope does want to produce a single with Toscano and release it while American Idol is still on.

    19 Management has yet to approve this, however.

    Once 19 Management figures out their marketing plan for Toscano, though, Interscope Records exec Jimmy Iovine wants to get her in the studio to record a single asap, according to an Idol insider.

    http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b235649_does_idols_pia_toscano_already_have.html

  • girlygirl

    E!’s report makes more sense. Interscope can test the waters before actually signing her to an album deal

  • Elliegrll

    Toscano’s rep tells us that chatter about a done deal is “all rumor,” but E! News has learned that while a record contract hasn’t been signed just yet, Interscope does want to produce a single with Toscano and release it while American Idol is still on.

    19 Management has yet to approve this, however.

    This makes more sense. I still think they will sign her, but right now it makes more sense to release a single, and wait until after the season to announce that they have signed her. I couldn’t see wanting Interscope to announce a signing before they announce that they’ve signed the winner. This also goes along with what Iovine said about releasing music from more than just the winner.

    E!’s report makes more sense. Interscope can test the waters before actually signing her to an album deal

    I don’t think it’s about testing waters, since Pia isn’t going to become a success in less than 8 weeks. It’s more about they can’t really do anything with her without 19′s permission. 19 Might be fine with her releasing a single, even though they might want her wait until the season is over, but I can see them having a problem with Iovine announcing that she’s been signed.

  • Joyed

    Good for Pia getting all the attention & the chance for a recording career! I always liked her and thought she was sweet although I was not particularly into her on the show. I liked her youtube covers and Grenade best.

    I know she broke out of the bubble because my mom and dad mentioned her on the phone to me and my dad never watches reality tv and hates idol! He said it was too bad she was voted off (he probably said it because she’s gorgeous, lol)

  • OvenMitt

    Haven’t read any of the two hundred sixty-some comments about this, but all I have to say is…

    Bwahahahhaa!

  • Niall

    The single would make more sense financially, in terms of testing the waters before investing in a full length release. I guess it’s also possible some info was leaked too soon and the E! report is a backtrack, of sorts.

  • SparklesATL

    If you are a Pia fan, you had better buy her album.

    Better buy thousands. Send ‘em to the troops.

    There are 8 people left to go and every week the people watching will get more and more excited about who’s left. Pia will be a faint memory.

    Notice how all the press & outrage has virtually died down since this record deal came along? No more talk about how she was robbed, how she was better than whoever.

    This record deal thing really worked out for AI didn’t it? Hmmmmm

    BTW, thousands of people and groups get signed by small and major labels and IF they make an LP or album only a small percentage get released. Of those only a few get any publicity push. The odds are against her, sadly. That is not to say that she won’t be successful in some other facet of show biz.

    Getting signed & making a record isn’t the be all and end all of success. Ask JHud, Mandissa, Taylor Hicks, Ace Young, Diana Degarmo, and many more idols.

  • girlygirl

    Elliegrll

    I agree that they can’t do anything without 19′s go ahead. But if the single is released in May and they wait until after the tour to decide whether to sign her to an album deal, that is 3+ months to see how the public responds to her. If the song doesn’t do well over that 3 moths, it’s less likely (though not impossible) that Interscope would sign her. If it’s a hit, well then she’s basically guaranteed that they will sign her — and probably put more money towards her album and future promo.

    And even if the single flops, Interscope/19 still make at least a little money off her without having to spend a lot on her.

    This is way less risky for the label and 19 then signing her to an album deal right off

  • Inconnu

    Interscope does want to produce a single with Toscano and release it while American Idol is still on.

    That’s great. He’s smart to do this and it’s a positive for the show.
    And yes, it makes more sense than a Record deal.

  • Valentin432

    Ugh, overreaction over every bit of news coming from gossip reporters is just not worthy caring about. I’ll wait for some official news.

  • Buffynut

    The “E” rumor control sounds much more believable.

  • bjames

    I agree with everything you said, MJ. Great for Pia, and as a Pia fan, I’m so happy to hear that. But as a fan of the show, isn’t that going to sort of diminish the first prize?

    Interesting to see what happens…

  • halo9125

    Notice how all the press & outrage has virtually died down since this record deal came along? No more talk about how she was robbed, how she was better than whoever.

    And perhaps that was the plan all along? A fake “leak” about a record deal? Soothe the agitated masses? Now the truth is out? The E! story really does make more sense.

  • SparklesATL

    This is a strange list. I have a hard time to see how JHud and Mandissa are in the same boat as Taylor Hicks or Diana who were signed to a major label immediatly after Idol and dropped soon after.

    It’s not a strange list. I’m not talking about what happened immediately after Idol but what has happened since. They all have successful careers yet none have albums that have smashed the charts. JHud will probably have a successful album, but her acting skills are what pushed her to stardom.

  • windmills

    Valentin432: Ugh, overreaction over every bit of news coming from gossip reporters is just not worthy caring about. I’ll wait for some official news.

    I agree but I also think some of this stuff is leaks by either Interscope or 19 or both to keep Pia’s name hot in the news. Probably Interscope. Because I agree it’s going to be tough with the show moving on to keep her on people’s minds. That having been said I think you can expect the label and/or 19 to tip off paparazzi for some photo ops to get her some blog and mag exposure and keep her on people’s minds.

    I’m interested to see what 19 does and doesn’t approve. IMO the thing that’s probably to Pia’s advantage is there really isn’t anybody else they’d sign off this season who’d be in the same pop market as her. She’s their only CHR hope unless LaurenA is able to get a crossover hit. It wouldn’t hurt the eventual winner from that point of view. Pia’s also not really going to be competing for the same magazine coverage as the eventual winner because there isn’t anybody else who’s as fashion mag ready.

    I also agree with whoever said 19 could see this as a way of sending a message that girls can still win by doing well on AI. It’s not guaranteed they’ll go along with it though and they still might try to protect the winner some.

    Sometimes it’s harder for the masses to root for the seemingly perfect/beautiful/talented girls because it seems like everything comes easy to them. The “robbed” angle helps Pia because it’s something that went wrong for her and people might feel like there’s a wrong to be avenged.

    Yay for an additional plotline to follow this season!!

  • Valentin432

    Notice how all the press & outrage has virtually died down since this record deal came along? No more talk about how she was robbed, how she was better than whoever.

    That’s what happens with every bit of news nowadays.

    The earthquake/tsunami in Japan and the possible nuclear accident lasted a week in the headlines and then everyone went to the new hot story the “war” in Libya.

    Today Sidney Lumet died and he makes the main headlines as far as entertainment stories go.
    You can bet his turn in the spotlight will be over before Wednesday despite being one of the greatest filmakers ever.

  • merkureye

    Pia will be great in the studio and Tedder and Iovine know it. The tone in Pia’s voice (when she doesn’t try to emphasize her ability to hit the belting high notes) is so rich and beautiful (as in Pia’s solo in “Teenage Dream” and her cover of Alicia Keys “Doesn’t Mean Anything” in top 40 sing for your life.

    The producer’s of Pia’s single need to allow her to sing in her rich mezza soprano voice on mid-tempo songs with only isolated high notes to show her range and she will be a star. Check that, she IS a star.

    Idol demographics and ridiculous power text votes are what let Pia slip through the cracks at idol. 19 management and Producer Nigel are really trying to spin this. Nigel’s backhanded slight of Pia saying that she did not connect with the public is crazy. She connected with Tom Hanks, Chris Daughtry, and Jeniffer Hudson don’t you think?!

  • tripp_ncwy

    Interscope does want to produce a single with Toscano and release it while American Idol is still on.

    The question I have is how much promo money will Interscope be willing to put into the single. It has been noted on this block how expensive it is to promote a song to radio. Unless Ryan is going to mention it on AI it may go unnoticed. Chris Medena did not receive a lot of radio play.

  • Valentin432

    It’s not a strange list. I’m not talking about what happened immediately after Idol but what has happened since. They all have successful careers yet none have albums that have smashed the charts. JHud will probably have a successful album, but her acting skills are what pushed her to stardom.

    I can’t exactly see how Taylor Hick and Diana Degarmo are similar to Mandissa who is a niche artists that is selling very well for that niche or JHud who has had a grammy winning gold album and is a relevant recording artist who just released a new album.
    MMV on this one.

  • SparklesATL

    So true Valentin432, so true.

    I’m sorry to hear about Sidney Lumet.

    All of them on the list are successful. None have had a smash hit or a giant record. My point is that from the winner on down, getting signed and recording music are not the measure of success.

  • Elliegrll

    The odds are against her, sadly.

    The odds are against everyone who comes off the show. They have a slight advantage, because they get some media opportunities because of the AI connection, but they still have to get people’s attention based on their music, and not just because they were on a reality show. UMG and Sony are both going to drop those who are unable to show that they are marketable beyond the idol fandom.

    This is way less risky for the label and 19 then signing her to an album deal right off

    It’s highly unlikely that Sony or UMG ever waited until the season was over to decide if they wanted to sign someone, and I don’t think they are going to make a decision based on a single that will pretty much rest on the basis of Pia’s AI popularity.

  • OnePlusSix

    On the Top 9 in AI8 I never would have guessed that Danny would be a country artist.

    Actually, it’s funny you should say that because that season when I watched intently, I had always thought that Danny and Kris would do better (be better received) in the country genre.

    Seriously though- who buys CDs these days, anyway?

    Um, the one person you hear of buying the whole thing? It’s me. I love cover art, liner notes, all of it.

    Yeah, I’m with you on this one…I love owning my own physical copy.

  • abl890

    I think most of us figured she’d get a song or album deal out of this. As an above post has how much will they spend on her could be a huge determinant of success. But the past few days of positive press has been incredible for her, at no charge. It obviously will die down but still great to get her name to the masses.

  • bananafish

    Now is absolutely the time to release singles while there is still a buzz about the contestants. By next October people will say Pia who? If the contestant that wins the show is better, then they will sell more singles, and they should be able to take the competition. After all they get 8 more weeks of performing for 22 million people on television under their belts. I particularly hate that there is 6 months of radio “silence” following the end of the show other than the dreadful coronation single. The winner should be able to put out several singles over the summer to keep the buzz alive and perform them and promote them on tour. Similarly for any other contestants that are deemed worthy of a record contract. By the time November comes around, radio and everybody but the real die-hard idol fans have lost all interest.

  • NOLA

    IMO, this is going to backfire. To begin with, the majority didn’t care for Pia. If they had, she wouldn’t have gotten the lowest amount of votes. Go back and read Wednesday’s thread of this blog. Pages and pages of Idol fans complaining how boring she was. And if they put out her single before the show has even ended, the Idol fans are going to revolt. It’s a slap in the face to those who are still in this contest.

  • Mel1

    By next October people will say Pia who?

    Yes, I was talking to someone who watched AI every season. I mentioned Lee DeWyze’s name. She said “Who?” I reminded her he won S9. She said “He did? I thought Crystal did.” How soon they forget.

  • NOLA

    Other than Scotty or Lauren, no one is going to be on anyone’s radar after Idol.

    I agree.

  • girlygirl

    merkureye

    How can she be a star when she hasn’t even released anything yet???? Only a small percentage of people in the US even have a clue who she is, and even fewer have likely heard her sing. Is it too much to ask tht we wait and see how radio and the music buying public respond to something she (or any of the other S10 Idols) actually releases before we anoint any of them a star? :D

  • Elek

    The producer’s of Pia’s single need to allow her to sing in her rich mezza soprano voice on mid-tempo songs with only isolated high notes to show her range and she will be a star. Check that, she IS a star.

    She’s a star? That’s all rumor! LOL.

    Idol demographics and ridiculous power text votes are what let Pia slip through the cracks at idol. 19 management and Producer Nigel are really trying to spin this. Nigel’s backhanded slight of Pia saying that she did not connect with the public is crazy. She connected with Tom Hanks, Chris Daughtry, and Jeniffer Hudson don’t you think?!

    As far as I know, TH, CD and JH do not watch the show regularly. You can ask them. Their so-called connection is all but free publicity to all parties concerned.

  • Elliegrll

    Nigel’s backhanded slight of Pia saying that she did not connect with the public is crazy. She connected with Tom Hanks, Chris Daughtry, and Jeniffer Hudson don’t you think?!

    Nigel was just being Nigel. Any factual news about voting numbers has always come from him. It probably never occurred to him that he was putting Pia down, he was just telling the truth that she never lead in votes at any point during the season.

  • BootStar

    Toscano’s rep tells us that chatter about a done deal is “all rumor,” but E! News has learned that while a record contract hasn’t been signed just yet, Interscope does want to produce a single with Toscano and release it while American Idol is still on.

    Isn’t this pretty much what was suggested Interscope would do with all the finalists this season? Release a single ASAP to maximize on exposure. It’s what they did with Chris Medina already.

  • darksiam

    from way the hell back in this thread (I’m a stickler for reading entire threads before posting and it takes forever to get current on some of these) so apologies for digging so far back but I felt this post merited highlighting:

    songsungblueI’ve been watching this show casually off and on for years. I’ve seen the Bo is going to outsell Carrie! meme, and the Taylor Hicks is going to revolutionize music with his WHUMP!, not to mention how Melinda Doolittle will show them all! and Crystal Bowersox is going to be the next big thing! Wait, did I forget about how Disney was going to sign Tim Urban, and how Siobhan Magnus was the only season 8 finisher with a shot at stardom?

    Thank you, thank you for this much needed refresher on AI prognostications from seasons past if for no other reason than to add some perspective to this latest frenzy.

    What I have learned is… The problem with the music industry is that you cannot predict the public taste. There really is no way to know who is going to catch on and who isn’t… Everyone always says this one is so marketable, or that one is so marketable. Yet many companies have gone bust pushing say, Carly Smithson. It’s such a crapshoot.

    Personally, I don’t think Pia is that appealing… I don’t think she has fire or force of personality. She’s nice, she’s sweet, she’s pretty. Eh. But then again, see above. Maybe she’ll connect and discover her fire. Maybe Iovine will match her to the right song. Maybe he won’t… Pia is only truly unusual in that she has grabbed public attention for the moment. The next moment is anyone’s call.

    All well said, songsungblue.

  • Mel1

    As far as I know, TH, CD and JH do not watch the show regularly. You can ask them. Their so-called connection is all but free publicity to all parties concerned.

    TH, CD and JH need the publicity? Are their careers tanking?

  • hazuki
  • JudyOhio

    The multiple producers add next to nothing, no tips on performing as promised……

    Maybe, just maybe, the producer “mentors” and the recording of singles each week (along with a full album each week), AND NOW the early release of singles from bootees (Chris M and Pia) may just be all part of a master plan before the season began. I mean, I was thinking AI was just experimenting with show changes to help revitalize and revamp AI in it’s 10th season, but maybe this was the plan all along and maybe we can keep expecting more bootee singles as the show goes along…….sell, sell, sell, $, $, $, more charts to watch, more idol careers to follow, more buzz for the current season…culminating with the runner up and…tada…..the winner!!!!!! Then too, we have the watching whether Tyler and JLo are worth their salt and whether Randy continues to step up to the plate. It’s all left the (us) fans with a whole lot to angst about, lol. I don’t think Jimmy I. would be investing his time (weekly for months) to simply “help” the hopefuls with their weekly performance choice and recording for itunes. He’s eyeing to follow up on some of them pre conclusion of the season it looks like. MAYBE it’s just all part of zee plan established before the season began. Chris Medina’s sad story, then charity single comes out, buzz! Casey’s ouster, then SAVED so miraculously that he almost has a breakdown, buzz! Pia’s SHOCK boot, but wait, no, she’s SIGNED, buzzz! But wait, there’s MORE!………Stay tuned……..
    Well, TPTB are certainly keeping us engaged, aren’t they?

  • girlygirl

    It’s too bad they switched Ryan Tedder off of working with Pia last week, because OneRepublic started their overseas tour today — so he won’t be available to work with her or any of the other Idols for awhile now.

  • Elliegrll

    IMO, this is going to backfire. To begin with, the majority didn’t care for Pia. If they had, she wouldn’t have gotten the lowest amount of votes. Go back and read Wednesday’s thread of this blog. Pages and pages of Idol fans complaining how boring she was. And if they put out her single before the show has even ended, the Idol fans are going to revolt. It’s a slap in the face to those who are still in this contest.

    I think that revolt will only involve the overly invested fans of those who are still on the show, or those who left before Pia, so in other words, it’s going to be a very small group. Just like there really is no firestorm over her leaving, there’s not going to be a firestorm when she and others release singles. It actually makes more sense to release singles now, instead of waiting until August-November like Sony did.

    Isn’t this pretty much what was suggested Interscope would do with all the finalists this season?

    Yes.

  • girlygirl

    JudyOhio

    I don’t know if anyone is making a ton of $ off this plan, though. The Idol compilation albums from each week haven’t exactly blown up in terms of sales (not close to what the Glee albums sell) and Chris Medina’s charity single stalled out after its first couple of weeks — last I saw, it had sold around 100K — and — supposedly — most of the profits were supposed to go to the fund for his fiancee. Of course we don’t know what the individual studio recordings from each week sell, but would be surprised if it is a large amount.

    Of course any money made is good for 19 and UMG, but I don’t know if this plan has been a huge success so far. We will have to see what happens if they allow all of these kids to release singles at more or less the same time, because that could end up flooding the market and backfiring on them.

  • Inconnu

    Well, TPTB are certainly keeping us engaged, aren’t they?

    I think they’ve tried to contain a Show crisis (loosing one of its very few frontrunners way too early) and succeeded in keeping the buzz alive with all kinds of positive moves.

  • JudyOhio

    Isn’t this pretty much what was suggested Interscope would do with all the finalists this season?

    Yes.

    Oh, nevermind my ramblings in that case! lol.

    Just saw the update on front page too!

  • merkureye

    There is alot of interest in Pia Toscano on and off of Idol. She is very compelling as a person and singer. She is the TOTAL package with the slight necessity to learn more stage presence. JLO and Steven Tyler know this too. I think her perceived boringness is somewhat more mystique than boring.

    Let’s face it. She had a terrible strategy on Idol (she should have researched Carrie Underwood’s AI 5 season). But her voice is unbelievable in the right context (not in 1:55 performances on AI).

    I kinda think the “stage presence” thing is what her “date” with Mark Ballas from DWTS is about. It could have been arranged by Interscope to help her perform and promote her new single.

  • Elek

    TH, CD and JH need the publicity? Are their careers tanking?

    @Mel1: Definitely not but being quoted here and there is always a plus to their respective careers!

  • halo9125

    Just like there really is no firestorm over her leaving…

    For somebody so boring, Pia made the cover of the NY Daily News, page 3 of the NY Post, and the story of her elimination made it beyond Fox news affiliates to ABC, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

  • Valentin432

    @Mel1: Definitely not but being quoted here and there is always a plus to their respective careers!

    I find these insunuations very strange. So everybody who supported Pia was looking for free publicity and didn’t genuinely like her.

    I guess Kelly, David C, Adam, Kris, etc. are all calculating every tweet they send about this season just to get quoted on idol blogs.

    They should all have tweeted about Charlie Sheen that would help them much more.

  • girlygirl

    Pia is from New York City area , which is probably a big reason why the Daily News and the Post gave it more than just passing coverage

    Let’s see if she is still getting a lot of media coverage a few weeks from now — or if she’s basically forgotten as some new story comes along (Idol related or not)

  • larc

    SparklesATL says:
    Notice how all the press & outrage has virtually died down since this record deal came along?

    It would have died down in a few days anyway. Stuff like that doesn’t usually last longer than it takes something else to come along and grab everybody’s attention.

  • Elliegrll

    For somebody so boring, Pia made the cover of the NY Daily News, page 3 of the NY Post, and the story of her elimination made it beyond Fox news affiliates to ABC, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

    I know her ouster made it to mainstream media outlets that aren’t associated with Fox, but so far, it’s just been good publicity. I doubt the ouster would have gotten a lot of attention, if it wasn’t for the fact that AI’s ratings are better than many people expected, and the show is once again a hot topic. But, I don’t think the ouster itself made it to the point of being a problem for the show.

  • NOLA

    hazuki says:
    04/09/2011 at 7:45 pm
    I’m confused. ABCNews posted the story. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/pia-toscano-inks-record-deal-shock-american-idol/story?id=13336819

    Too quick with a story. They will have to recant soon.

  • koshka

    Too quick with a story. They will have to recant soon.

    Since when does the media recant anything. They’ll go on like nothing happened. LOL

  • NOLA

    LOL, you are probably right koshka!

  • Fullmoon

    I know her ouster made it to mainstream media outlets that aren’t associated with Fox, but so far, it’s just been good publicity.

    Yes, the media (outside bubble)is sending a message to Idol that this is the one we want to talk about and cover beyond Idol, you finally got us on board again and this shit happens. If the rest of these Idols don’t step up their game and give us something to talk about we’ll keep bringing her up and rub it in your faces. :)

  • Fullmoon

    abcnews
    “She is already being compared to Chris Daughtry, Jennifer Hudson and Adam Lambert, previous “Idol” contestants who either looked like they would win or were sent home early”.

    Let the media games begin!

  • Indigobunting

    Oh my, just checked back.

    Well putting out a single (a la Chris Medina) is a heck of a lot different than “signed”. LOL.

    I guess the plot thickens.

  • platoken

    Pia is going to be the female Daughtry. She will be playing in stadiums.

  • Mel1

    Daughtry does not play in stadiums. He doesn’t even play in the big arenas.

  • milwlovesadam

    I, for one, never thought that Pia would win it. I thought she might make Top 4 or 5. That being said, I was quite surprised by her ouster.

    I do, however, think she will have the last laugh. By the time Idol is over, and Scotty is crowned the Season 10 American Idol, Pia will have released a single, and quite possibly an EP. Modeled for magazines, maybe even covers, and also made a smoking hot music video.

    Whether people buy the whole shebang or not, I honestly believe she will sell music. Like i said way earlier in t eh thread, move over SuBo. Someone is about to knock you off your Christmas album sales. Her name is Pia Toscano.

    There is room in the Buble, Groban, Bocelli CD rack for Pia.

  • Elliegrll

    Daughtry does not play in stadiums. He doesn’t even play in the big arenas.

    Their first headlining tour they played in medium sized arenas, which makes sense for a band that has only released two albums.

    Yes, the media (outside bubble)is sending a message to Idol that this is the one we want to talk about and cover beyond Idol, you finally got us on board again and this shit happens. If the rest of these Idols don’t step up their game and give us something to talk about we’ll keep bringing her up and rub it in your faces.

    They are talking about her, because of the show’s renewed popularity. Since that’s the reason, they will be talking about something else related to AI next week. It’s the same as The Today Show having Naima and Thia stop by for a visit. They didn’t do it because they thought those two are stars.

  • Elek

    Since when does the media recant anything. They’ll go on like nothing happened. LOL

    Occasionally I read formal retractions from reputable media companies but more on serious matters.

    Notice that they use words like “reportedly” and other safe terms so it would be easier for them to escape. LOL.

  • songsungblue

    There is alot of interest in Pia Toscano on and off of Idol. She is very compelling as a person and singer. She is the TOTAL package with the slight necessity to learn more stage presence.

    She has a very impressive voice, but she’s about as compelling as high fiber oatmeal. LOL I don’t think presence is something you learn. You’re either interesting onstage or you aren’t. It’s kind of that simple. She isn’t. That’s okay, she can be a studio focused artist.

  • Fullmoon

    They are talking about her, because of the show’s renewed popularity. Since that’s the reason, they will be talking about something else related to AI next week. It’s the same as The Today Show having Naima and Thia stop by for a visit. They didn’t do it because they thought those two are stars.

    And they wastes no time bashing the judges for not doing their job and that is critiquing. Nigel had to do damage control. I wouldn’t compare Naima and Thia because they got the typical goodbye from Idol. Naima was the one who had more love here and was suppose to be the one who was more marketable even with mediocre vocal but yet failed to get the same outcry for leaving undeserving to soon. The only buzz that have been going on were for the judges because none of the contestants has had a watercooler or moment yet which usually by now we have one.

  • milwlovesadam

    It will be interesting what, if anything, Pia has to say about her future when she’s on Regis and Kelly on Monday morning.

  • tomr

    Will Pia even be remembered a year and a half from now? The general public could not even tell you who won Idol the first 9 seasons. Only we Idol Addicts can do that. Very few contestants who finished below #2 are really remembered other than by those of us who actively supported them during their Idol run. For example, does the average Idol viewer remember Latoya London or Anthony Fedorov? I do because I’m an Idol addict who voted for them. Some of you may because you follow Idol so closely (or you wouldn’t be visiting MJ here so regularly). The casual viewer just won’t remember or even care to remember much less buy their music post Idol. The challenge for all of the contestants is to continue to gain fans after their stint with Idol is over. How many have been able to do this/ Not that many unfortunately. That’s the reality of it all. How many who finished below #5 have had and continue to have what is considered to be a very successful music career?

  • windmills

    tomr: Will Pia even be remembered a year and a half from now? The general public could not even tell you who won Idol the first 9 seasons. Only we Idol Addicts can do that. Very few contestants who finished below #2 are really remembered other than by those of us who actively supported them during their Idol run. For example, does the average Idol viewer remember Latoya London or Anthony Fedorov?

    If she doesn’t make it past the point of a single with Interscope then no, she probably won’t be remembered a year and a half from now. But IF (big IF) she has a couple of singles that hit and her looks are parlayed into pop culture exposure on the blogs and magazines and they’re able to milk the “robbed” angle then yes, she will be remembered. The difference between Latoya London/Anthony Federov and Pia right now is only Pia got this pervasive outrage when they were booted, only Pia got a chance with a major label for even a single out of the gate, and only Pia has attributes that could obviously get media placement outside the bubble.

    IMO Interscope taking a serious chance on Pia beyond a single is something that’s likely because she’s got vocal chops, she’s got the look, and the premature boot from AI finally means there’s something interesting about her in the public eye. None of which means she’ll be some big success. I just think those things make it more likely the label will want to take the chance on her without worrying too much about her not connecting with AI voters. Let’s face it, AI voters are not considered representative of what will sell to the greater public these days.

  • SparklesATL

    abcnews
    “She is already being compared to Chris Daughtry, Jennifer Hudson and Adam Lambert, previous “Idol” contestants who either looked like they would win or were sent home early”.

    Let the media games begin!


    Fullmoon
    isn’t that funny?? Somebody needs to school ABC on the history of Idol. Chris D left at #5, JHud left at #3 (I think), and Adam L at #2. I doubt if even the AI hardcores can name any #9′s without checking Wiki first.

    tomr – we are on the same wavelength.

    Cowboysfan – meow. ;)

  • jammasta

    Fullmoon isn’t that funny?? Somebody needs to school ABC on the history of Idol. Chris D left at #5, JHud left at #3 (I think), and Adam L at #2.

    Unless you’re talking about something else entirely, Chris Daughtry was 4th and J. Hud was 7th. And if you are talking about something else entirely, please tell me so I don’t feel as dumb :P.

  • iluvai

    I think she looks great in that color!

    But seriously, after thinking about this for awhile, I see this as a kind of reverse discrimination (for those claiming female discrimination). Pretty girl, damsel in distress, gets voted off too soon. What a tragedy. She should get a record deal asap. If she was fugly, that wouldn’t have happened. So if she got voted off because she is a pretty girl, she’s getting saved for the same reason. I think it’s all win for her.

  • chessguy99

    This is just like Chris Medina. Interscope is going for the quick cash. It makes sense as singles can be made with minimal expense, and marketing is unnecessary as long as they get it out in week or so, as they did with Medina’s. The Medina single made it to 83 on the Billboard Hot 100, selling over 60K. They’ll get 100K+ for Pia’s single, more depending on how good of a song they give her. If they do this with selected eliminated contestants, they can build up a nice return on the season before they even release the albums of the final two.

    The only thing that concerns me, if they are giving out these singles; they might not sign anybody other than the final two. They will just give the other contestants a one shot to sink or swim with a single.

  • lili_anne7

    The only thing that concerns me, if they are giving out these singles; they might not sign anybody other than the final two. They will just give the other contestants a one shot to sink or swim with a single.

    That’s actually a smart strategy for Interscope. They record singles for contestants with buzz at minimum cost, and they sit back and watch if the singles take off or not. If they don’t, they still get some extra cash. However, if they are VERY lucky, Pia might just release a hit, and they will sign her to a record deal.

  • tomr

    Understand your points, windmills. For Pia’s sake, I hope that you are right. I agree about the outrage but do not agree about the look and vocal chops but understand that we all have our own tastes. In some ways, she is lucky about the premature ( I do agree on that) elimination, It has provided an opportunity that she may not have had otherwise should she have made it to #4 such as Daughtery. Not sure there would have been much outrage at that point. If it works, maybe others would benefit from an elimination considered to be very premature (James, Lauren, Scott since they are the only ones left who haven’t visited the stools). We’ll probably know within a year I’d say.

  • tomr

    Those singles certainly are a cheaper way to do a “trial run.” Interesting.

  • girlygirl

    pltoken

    I hope your being sarcastic. Pia will not be playing in stadiums. She’ll be playing in clubs, like pretty much every other Idol when they start out. Even Adam — the most successful non-winner in since Daughtry, plays clubs and the occasional 3,000-5,000 venue — not stadiums.

    In fact, Carrie is probably the only Idol who plays stadiums. Daughtry’s last tour was mainly in 5,000-10,000 sized venues — not stadiums. And I think Kelly plays arenas, not stadiums, but I’m not sure about that.

    If people like Rihanna and Katy Perry can’t sell out their tours (which they weren’t able to do), Pia is not going to come anywhere near playing stadiums…

  • sparkledheartsss

    google her name right now she gets over 20 million hits. 20 MILLION. Kelly Clarkson has 2 million more hits than her. None of the other contestants even come close. They are all in the 5-9 million range. Granted its the 2 days after her elimination, but she has star quality. I think given the right material/mentoring she could be huge. She just needs to keep herself relevant. I really liked her and I would love for her to be successful. I guess time will tell.

  • sr4mjc

    rom a financial standpoint, I just wonder what in the world they are thinking. If there wasn’t enough interest in the public to keep her in the game….when all it took was dialing or texting a silly number…how on earth do they think that same public is going to be even more invested – to the point of spending money on a thrown-together CD?

    Perhaps they are jumping around the Idol voter’s taste (sausage fest) and trying for the female loving pop music market ;)

  • cowboysfan

    The insider told US Magazine that Pia will release her debut album with Interscope. Nothing in the Eonline article contradicts that. They aren’t going to publicly confirm something that hasn’t happened yet.

  • Fullmoon

    Perhaps they are jumping around the Idol voter’s taste (sausage fest) and trying for the female loving pop music market ;)

    BINGO! If you go to Pulse board all the pop female stans are mostly predominately males.

  • tomr

    I wonder if it had been any of the others who were eliminated whether these discussions (and this outrage lol) would have occured.

  • windmills

    tomr: Understand your points, windmills. For Pia’s sake, I hope that you are right. I agree about the outrage but do not agree about the look and vocal chops but understand that we all have our own tastes.

    It’s not so much about my taste or your taste so much as what’s considered conventional/mag-friendly good looks. As far as vocal chops I think the conventional wisdom favors Pia right now but that never means there’s universal agreement.

    If I am right then I expect it to be a double edged sword for Pia where her team will want to Hollywoodize her life to try to get her the kind of exposure that PR teams think means starpower (like people looking for photos of you in a mag, wanting to check out what you’re wearing, wanting to know who you’re dating).

    There’s that classic arc of the naive and attractive good girl who comes to Hollyweird chasing her dreams with all the challenges that happen along the way. It gets played out time and time again with the ingenue of the day and I think Pia fits in that mold real well. There’s nobody else this season who does and AI hasn’t really had anybody who fits that mold since Jordin (with Kellie, Carrie, and Kelly being the others who fit that mold).

    It’s going to test Pia and she’ll have to do her learning about life in the public eye in front of everybody (the thing about that arc is they love building you up but they’re always on the alert after that to see what they can tear you down over). Guys will contact her people wanting to set up PR dates that she won’t necessarily know are PR dates (or maybe she will! the mystery!), management and label will probably prefer that Pia appear available unless she has the opportunity to date an A-lister.

    But that’s all if Interscope’s really interested in signing her to an album deal. I think they are but that’s because I’m cynical and I’m cynical about what they’ll do if they do sign her. Since I also think Pia’s a good, sincere girl with talent and lots of potential to grow I wish her good luck.

  • Ceddies

    claudette says:
    04/09/2011 at 2:48 pm

    If her single takes off, she’ll be singing it at the finale with her own band. I doubt she’ll tour with the Idols. She’ll open for some bigger pop star this summer. It wouldn’t work for her to be with the other Idols. She’s the media darling and the star. She can’t be treated like a 9th place finisher.

    Haven’t finished catching up on the thread, but wanted to comment about this. This scenario could be more fuel for the conspiracy theory. Maybe that’s why they decided to let eleven peeps tour this season. Just so they could take one out, and Idol concertgoers couldn’t complain about being shortchanged by only having nine contestants left for the tour.

  • iluvai

    I wonder if it had been any of the others who were eliminated whether these discussions (and this outrage lol) would have occured.

    No way. Pia is now reaping the benefits of the very thing that peeps said she was voted off for: ha ha, I’m quoting myself:

    I see this as a kind of reverse discrimination (for those claiming female discrimination). Pretty girl, damsel in distress, gets voted off too soon. What a tragedy. She should get a record deal asap. If she was fugly, that wouldn’t have happened. So if she got voted off because she is a pretty girl, she’s getting saved for the same reason. I think it’s all win for her.

  • Elliegrll

    I wonder if it had been any of the others who were eliminated whether these discussions (and this outrage lol) would have occured.

    People thought that Pia was a frontrunner, mainly because she’s incredibly talented. Despite what she says, nobody was surprised when Naima was voted off, and nobody expects Interscope to sign her, or give her a single.

    From a financial standpoint, I just wonder what in the world they are thinking. If there wasn’t enough interest in the public to keep her in the game….when all it took was dialing or texting a silly number…how on earth do they think that same public is going to be even more invested – to the point of spending money on a thrown-together CD?

    The music buying public consists of more than just idol fans or idol voters.

  • iluvai

    People thought that Pia was a frontrunner, mainly because she’s incredibly talented.

    Because she’s classically pretty. Where is Naima’s deal or Karen’s deal….That’s what people should be outraged about.

    edit; I hope to not be understood. Pia is white people pretty. Sorry Elek, but Pia is not a person of color. Naima and Karen are classically pretty, but not caucasion. So the caucasion girl gets the contract.

  • ross

    People thought that Pia was a frontrunner, mainly because she’s incredibly talented.

    I wouldn’t say she’s “incredibly” talented. In fact, you’re making me laugh a little. She’s a reasonably talented perfomer, she’s not Judy Garland.

  • abl890

    It would be fun to be the proverbial fly on the wall in the sign or not sign these contestants meetings. I think Pia has a lot of potential, with some hurdles to overcome. Whether or not they try and make a quick buck or invest in her all depends on their opinion of her ability, marketability, etc., and that goes for the others as well.

  • cmom

    There is no way that Pia would want out of the tour – they make quite a bit of money on the tour – like $100,000 each – remember when Castro said it was the best summer job he would ever have

  • http://www.huckleberryfriendmusic.com/ huckleberryfriend

    Doubt if she will sell 100k of either a single or an album.

  • girlygirl

    Ceddies:

    As I said before, Pia is contractually obligated to go on the Idol tour. All of the finalists are — none of them can just go off and tour on their own until after that…

  • Little Boy Blue

    Well, if this news is true and we assume that the deal will push through, this puts Pia in the company of such musical luminaries as :

    Tupac Shakur
    Lady Gaga,
    Eminem,
    WILL.I.AM,
    The Black Eyes Peas,
    Pussycat Dolls,
    Gwen Stefani,
    50 cent

    (just off the top of my head )

  • merkureye

    I don’t think presence is something you learn. You’re either interesting onstage or you aren’t. It’s kind of that simple. She isn’t. That’s okay, she can be a studio focused artist

    Robert Oermann, a Nashville Country Music Historian stated on Carrie Underwood’s 2009 Bio on The Biography Channel that Carrie, like many young perfomers, was a “singing stick” and that she had to learn how to put on a show.

    Kinda sounds familiar. IMHO I believe Pia can cultivate a stage presence. At least I hope so. I wish her all the best as I know we all do.

    One final comment. I am seeing where some posters are lumping Pia in with other run-of-the-mill #9 eliminated contestants. I think that misses the whole point of the controversy that has resulted from her elimination. Whether she had the votes or not, she had the talent to at least make the top 4. So I believe comparisions to other top 4 AI records deals, singing engagements, etc. is more to the point.

    Chris Medina and Pia Toscano. . . . please.

  • girlygirl

    Pia is getting a lot of google hits because people are “outraged” about her ouster. Check back in a couple of weeks and see how many she’s getting.

    To compare, Lady Gaga has 315+ million google hits, Rihanna 228+ million, Britney Spears 160+ million and Katy Perry 144+ million. These are the people Pia is likely going to be competiting against — and as you can see, 20 million google hits is nothing compared to them…

  • iluvai

    Half the google hits are the people that think why the hell is she so special. lol… there’s nothing there…

  • Mary102

    I think I’m most curious to see how this whole thing plays out against the backdrop of S10. It’s completely unprecedented. In year’s past the non winner/runner-ups to be signed weren’t signed until after the finale, and typically didn’t release any new music until fall at the earliest.

    I’m still kinda conflicted about signing her so early. OTOH, it makes sense to get the early momentum and buzz – that will fade as S10 chugs along, especially since Nigel has been really good at creating mini-buzz moments all season (re Casey a few weeks ago).

    OTOH depending on how successful she is and how prominent she remains during the rest of the season, with an early single release mid-season etc, it does threaten to undermine S10 and make winning mean less. If she does really well, then that might mess up future seasons thinking getting cut early could be a good thing.

    I’ve always pretty strongly believed that winning doesn’t mean you get the best and most of everything, but with this deal happening before the season even ends, it makes winning mean even less and kind of makes the show pointless. IDK.

  • Mary102

    cmom says:
    04/09/2011 at 11:24 pm
    There is no way that Pia would want out of the tour – they make quite a bit of money on the tour – like $100,000 each

    Oh, yeah – that’s right. Didn’t Sarver say he made 100K? Lol, and he was 10th place. Not bad.

  • girlygirl

    Mary102

    But supposedly she’s not signed yet

  • Miss Chaos

    If people didnt vote for her, why would they buy her record, or album?? Outrage or not, people werent that interested in her, to vote, well maybe now they will be, since it has be brought to the publics attention that she is great, and has a great voice.

  • Indigobunting

    Chris Medina and Pia Toscano. . . . please.

    I can’t speak for others but my comparison had nothing to do with vocal talent or style.

    Simply the obvious tactic this year (even admitted up front by TPTB) of getting music out ASAP.

    They capitalized on Chris because he had media buzz. Same thing with Pia. Why not get what they can out of a single? If she hits big, they could do more.

  • Ceddies

    girlygirl says:
    04/09/2011 at 11:35 pm

    Ceddies:

    As I said before, Pia is contractually obligated to go on the Idol tour. All of the finalists are — none of them can just go off and tour on their own until after that…

    Of course, you’re right. I didn’t think of that and had been rapidly scanning to try to catch up the thread. Right, she would be among those touring. Keep me straight!

  • Mary102

    girlygirl says:
    04/10/2011 at 12:01 am
    Mary102

    But supposedly she’s not signed yet

    Ah, yes I’ve been reading back in the thread regarding the confusion, lol. So she’s getting a single asap, but not yet signed? Yeah, color me confused, like, wouldn’t she be signed to a label if she was getting a single? Or is this really the same as the Medina thing?

    Still, my point still stands about releasing something and possibly having it do really well during the actual idol season. Who knows how much they might push it.

  • Fullmoon

    If people didnt vote for her, why would they buy her record, or album?? Outrage or not, people werent that interested in her, to vote, well maybe now they will be, since it has be brought to the publics attention that she is great, and has a great voice.

    Pia isn’t going to be marketed to the typical Idol audience and when it comes to votes does anyone REALLY know who has the least votes. We only know based on what we are told by Idol. Until they show some numbers I stand by my claims that Idol is manipulated and/or is rigged.

  • http://MJO judes

    I’m happy for Pia to be signed but in no way should she get a single out before the winner. There should be incentive to get to be winner & that is they have a single out first. If it was okay for idols to have to wait in other seasons then it should be the case now as well , otherwise this will be labelled as unfair. They sign a contract when they start idol so they should know what is required.
    Of course UMG might operate under different rules & say stuff other seasons we’ll do things our way. Not a good PR exercise!

  • iluvai

    Pretty girls are a dime a dozen. Sorry PIA….

  • jrain

    If people didnt vote for her, why would they buy her record, or album?? Outrage or not, people werent that interested in her, to vote, well maybe now they will be, since it has be brought to the publics attention that she is great, and has a great voice.

    if a single is good, people will buy it. On radio, you can’t tell stage presence. In any case, if her music is good and people connect with her voice then she will grow a fanbase, idoldome is a small blip on the music landscape.

  • Fullmoon

    Well, if this news is true and we assume that the deal will push through, this puts Pia in the company of such musical luminaries as :

    Tupac Shakur
    Lady Gaga,
    Eminem,
    WILL.I.AM,
    The Black Eyes Peas,
    Pussycat Dolls,
    Gwen Stefani,
    50 cent

    (just off the top of my head )

    Where you going with this? lol. Until I see Pia with tattoo of an eye I’ll join you!! j/k

  • Dakota01

    If people didnt vote for her, why would they buy her record, or album??

    Because there’s a whole big world out there outside the Idol bubble. If she has good material and has good promotion, she has a real shot at doing well. No one on the “outside” will care that she got voted off in 9th place. That only matters here in the Idol bubble.

  • Elliegrll

    I wouldn’t say she’s “incredibly” talented. In fact, you’re making me laugh a little. She’s a reasonably talented perfomer, she’s not Judy Garland.

    There are a whole lot of people who didn’t think that Judy was a good singer, or fit the popular idea of beautiful.

    But, to rephrase what I said, people thought that Pia was the frontrunner, because she was the best vocalist this season. She wasn’t the best performer, or the best singer, in terms of her phrasing or how she interpreted a song, but she has an incredible voice.

    Because she’s classically pretty. Where is Naima’s deal or Karen’s deal….That’s what people should be outraged about.

    edit; I hope to not be understood. Pia is white people pretty. Sorry Elek, but Pia is not a person of color. Naima and Karen are classically pretty, but not caucasion. So the caucasion girl gets the contract. Whatever.

    Looking at Interscope’s lineup of artists, it’s going to be hard to argue that this is about race. More than that, even though Pia didn’t have any memorable performances, she didn’t deliver the turds like Naima did, or come off like she couldn’t hit her notes.

  • NOLA

    Miss Chaos says:
    04/10/2011 at 12:02 am
    If people didnt vote for her, why would they buy her record, or album?? Outrage or not, people werent that interested in her, to vote,

    You nailed it.

  • cassie87

    Everyone is talking about Pia getting signed, having a single, etc. which I think is great. I like Pia, but aren’t the contestants obligated to wait a certain amount of time before they can release their own music? I know Tim Halperin said he can’t release his album until September because of the contract with Idol.

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  • Elliegrll

    I know Tim Halperin said he can’t release his album until September because of the contract with Idol.

    They are all signed with 19 for now. Any music that Pia releases will have to be done with 19′s blessing. The difference between Tim and Pia is that Pia’s deal is with the label that has a current business relationship with 19, so it’s very likely that she will continue to be signed to 19R, and that they will work with Interscope to release her single, EP, album, or whatever.

  • Miss Chaos

    Looking at Interscope’s lineup of artists, it’s going to be hard to argue that this is about race.

    Lets see, I see, someone hatched from a egg, I see a Black vegetable, I see a black rapper that is white, I see a White woman with bright red lips, I see a bunch off cats, not sure what race or color, I see some change from a Dollar, and some one that cant spell his name right, not sure of his color, ya its about race!!!!!!!!!

  • NOLA

    We only know based on what we are told by Idol. Until they show some numbers I stand by my claims that Idol is manipulated and/or is rigged.

    I don’t believe the votes are maniuplated. If they were, Taylor Hicks never would have won.

  • Fullmoon

    Looking at Interscope’s lineup of artists, it’s going to be hard to argue that this is about race. More than that, even though Pia didn’t have any memorable performances, she didn’t deliver the turds like Naima did, or come off like she couldn’t hit her notes.

    I will agree with you on this. For me Pia doesn’t look like the typical caucasian girl. She has an ethnic look to her and I would say an exotic look and we all know r&b love them some exotic looking woman. Yeah I see her collab with some good rappers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6z0Qz_r38&feature=youtu.be

  • Elliegrll

    Sorry but that is laugh out loud.

    Watch the Biography special about her. It details how the studio didn’t think she was pretty, especially not leading lady pretty.

  • googletot

    Maybe TPTB wanted her eliminated so that they could sign her right away and cause this uproar – any publicity is good publicity, whether good or bad!

  • Reflections On Life

    the modification to the rumor makes a lot more sense. capitalize on the buzz by getting a single out quickly. if the single kicks in, then float an EP. if the EP takes off, sign the artist after AI concludes but before the tour. work on the album during the tour and release it after the tour.
    their list of acts are very production-heavy and urban-leaning. pair her with a known rap artist guesting on the song, or with a known producer/dj type. she said she wants to do r&b-leaning pop. sounds like the right label for it. i don’t really see her making a career out of being a balladeer. i think she’d be more of an ashanti or nelly-furtado type.
    just a side note about stage presence & connecting with the audience. IMHO mariah carey had zero stage presence and absolutely did not connect with her audience back in her ’90s heyday of superstardom.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Watch the Biography special about her. It details how the studio didn’t think she was pretty, especially not leading lady pretty.

    But most thought Judy Garland was incredibly talented. Pretty or not, when she opened her mouth to sing, it was clear she had “it”.

    I don’t see that “it” factor in Pia. At least not yet.

  • songsungblue

    just a side note about stage presence & connecting with the audience. IMHO mariah carey had zero stage presence and absolutely did not connect with her audience back in her ’90s heyday of superstardom.

    I don’t feel that Pia brings any emotion to her voice, let alone having stage presence. She sings like she’s learned the songs phonetically. YMMV, of course.

  • iluvai

    I don’t feel that Pia brings any emotion to her voice, let alone having stage presence. She sings like she’s learned the songs phonetically. YMMV, of course.

    And she sounds like a kind of pizza. lol…. I’m Italian folks so laugh already.

  • cassie87

    I know Tim Halperin said he can’t release his album until September because of the contract with Idol.

    They are all signed with 19 for now. Any music that Pia releases will have to be done with 19?s blessing. The difference between Tim and Pia is that Pia’s deal is with the label that has a current business relationship with 19, so it’s very likely that she will continue to be signed to 19R, and that they will work with Interscope to release her single, EP, album, or whatever.

    Thanks. I kind of thought about that afterwards. Still a bit confusing though, haha. Wish Tim had gotten signed, but that’s another topic. I’d love to see what Pia comes out with when she has her own song and not just a cover.

  • springboard

    I don’t feel that Pia brings any emotion to her voice, let alone having stage presence. She sings like she’s learned the songs phonetically. YMMV, of course.

    For me she was the worst left in the competition. I like most of the others, although I am not a Stefano or Jacob fan because of the cheese/OTTness factor. But, they both have a great voice and a beautiful tone, and very importantly, life.
    Pia has neither, in my opinion of course.

    I also watched back a few of Carrie’s idol performances for comparison, and for all the talks about her being a poor performer, she was amazing compared to Pia. Just a little bit stiff, but still alive with good sense of rhythm, good phrasing and good connection to the song and the audience.
    As for the comparison with Celine Dion, it’s the same. Celine has a beautiful smooth tone, and although I am not a fan of her music, I can understand the appeal.

    Good luck to UMG if they think that Pia is marketable. Personally, I don’t see it but I am not a record label.
    For now, I find it interesting to follow how 19/UMG are/will be handling the situation, and what will become reality from the rumours that they probably are throwing out there.

  • claudette

    I think Simon Fuller and Jimmy Lovine can change any rule they want. They are putting out money and they are going to do whatever they need to do to promote who they want. That is logical business.

    We don’t know what the new current obligations are – even with touring. I’m sure THEY don’t have a decision whether to tour, but Simon and Jimmy sure have flexibility. How on earth (IF she gets out a successful single and still carries all the buzz) do you put her on an Idol bus, overshadow any winner, be the media darling and make her sing 2 songs in 9th place? I don’t care about the money, she and UMG are looking long term. They will do whatever is the best to advance her career OUTSIDE of Idol. She needs to make it by appealing to those outside the Idol bubble. If I were UMG I would put her on a different concert path.

    But that’s just my thoughts right now. Simon and UMG can do what they want. With the way the music business is going, they are going to hit while it’s hot. I also think the winner’s contract is probably terrible, with maybe better rewards if the album does well.

  • Marie Ruffin

    Good luck to UMG if they think that Pia is marketable.

    If 19R or UMG didn’t think they had “something” in Pia, they wouldn’t sign her. Or they would do like Chris Medina, and record one song. They must see something and I’m sure Jimmy had some opinions about her. The one I don’t think will get signed is Haley, because Jimmy alluded to her “work ethic” in one of the episodes.

    Here’s who is signable: Lauren, Scotty(although he may go to the country side), James and maybe Paul (but he’s got his own imprint and I’m sure he would be a hard negotiator). I don’t see anybody else (Casey, Stef, Jacob) signing with UMB or 19R. For obvious reasons.

    But — whoever gets signed/not signed, that puts pressure on everybody. It would make them wonder — why her? and not me? I’m sure Karen, Naima and Thia are thinking that now, esp. since Chris Medina had a single.

  • springboard

    If 19R or UMG didn’t think they had “something” in Pia, they wouldn’t sign her.

    And she is not signed yet.
    We’ll have to see what kind of deal she gets. A single released to ITunes to make quick money? A single promoted to radio? An album with / without radio promotion?

  • 4got

    i would buy her music if it was good. she has a great voice, the rest is up to production.

  • Nina1

    I find these insunuations very strange. So everybody who supported Pia was looking for free publicity and didn’t genuinely like her.

    I would be willing to venture that some of the folks who tweeted about Pia had only a vague idea of who she was. Tweeting is a way to stay current and in the public eye. When Tom Hanks is “twoted” I need to know what projects he is working on.

  • Elliegrll

    But — whoever gets signed/not signed, that puts pressure on everybody. It would make them wonder — why her? and not me? I’m sure Karen, Naima and Thia are thinking that now, esp. since Chris Medina had a single.

    This situation always exists. I’m sure that it wasn’t easy for the rest of the top ten of season 8 to see Kris, Adam and Allison going off to record their albums during the tour, while they had a lot of free time, because Sony decided not to sign them.

    Here’s who is signable: Lauren, Scotty(although he may go to the country side), James and maybe Paul (but he’s got his own imprint and I’m sure he would be a hard negotiator). I don’t see anybody else (Casey, Stef, Jacob) signing with UMB or 19R. For obvious reasons.

    They are all marketable. Someone being a niche artist doesn’t mean that they don’t have an audience, or that they can’t be more successful than someone who is making music that is more mainstream. Gospel singer Marvin Sapp is signed to a major label, and had the number one record in the country at one time last year. The album went on to produce a cross over hit, and outsell the albums of a lot of pop artists.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I tend to believe the E! Online update about Pia’s current situation. I think that, if anything, UMG will record a single with Pia and release it to “test the waters” before they commit to her any further. Then, if the response to that single is promising, they may sign her and initially release an EP that they will sell cheap. The presence of Jimmy Iovine and his producers on site has added an interesting twist to this year’s competition, with studio recordings often differing significantly from live performances. Jimmy/the producers are seeing first hand what it’s like to work with these contestants in the studio and I think that will be very influential in determining who is signed or not. I’m not sure what they are looking for. It might be different things, depending on the contestant: musical identity for some, and malleability for others (e.g. Stefano).

    AI and SONY/UMG have always been in it for the quick buck. Having a contestant become established as a successful solo artist is just gravy. As the years have passed, the AI viewing audience has become less and less representative of the current music buying public, so Iovine/UMG may have information other than the voting results from AI that makes them believe in Pia.

  • koshka

    They are all marketable. Someone being a niche artist doesn’t mean that they don’t have an audience, or that they can’t be more successful than someone who is making music that is more mainstream. Gospel singer Marvin Sapp is signed to a major label, and had the number one record in the country at one time last year. The album went on to produce a cross over hit, and outsell the albums of a lot of pop artists.

    Are you saying that this entire group is talented at this level? Personally I hear a whole lot of flat/sharp notes, poor breath support and questionable phrasing at times. It doesn’t mean that they are untalented, but enough star quality to cross over? Not so much. I’m still not convinced that many of these contestants are not loved more for their stage antics & TV entertainment than they are for their music.

  • halo9125

    “….when it comes to votes does anyone REALLY know who has the least votes. We only know based on what we are told by Idol. Until they show some numbers I stand by my claims that Idol is manipulated and/or is rigged.”

    Going to try to be good today and not get myself banned like I did on Idol forums, lol.

    Did anybody else find it odd that Pia was at Simon Fuller’s party last night- and no other Idol castoff was? The pic was tweeted last night by American Idol.

    I still believe that the numbers were rigged- I have no clue what the purpose was- maybe all of this record deal business has something to do with it.

  • Nostradamas

    I’m still not convinced that many of these contestants are not loved more for their stage antics & TV entertainment than they are for their music.

    ^^This.

    There are no “stars” left in this group at all…..none.

    Lauren still performs (?) like a deer caught in the headlights.

    Scotty McCreepy will be lucky to find a gig in Branson…real lucky.

    Paul’s voice is too wierd and weak for radio.

    Haley will be forgotten after the tour…(growling is not singing)

    Jacob might find a niche’ singing in churches…if he looses the hip thrusts…and attitude…

    Casey will go back to small clubs, where his slacker look won’t be so unusual….and his off and on again weak voice won’t be so noticable…

    James, “blinky” Durbin will be lucky to find a local big hair rock band to front…but his “carreer” will eventually crash and burn due to his ego…

    Stephano…wedding singer at best…

    Show’s over kids….only a big ol’ train wreck to keep some of you entertained for the next few weeks…

  • spanishfan

    The best voice ever on American Idol out of all the idols. Her pitch and tone are exceptional. If any of you have heard her studio versions she is amazing. I think she was wonderful and I would buy anything she recorded. Obviously the PTB agree with me and they are the experts.

  • Elliegrll

    Are you saying that this entire group is talented at this level?

    At what level? All I’m saying is that there is an audience for all of them. Someone like Paul or Casey will be harder to promote than someone like Pia or Scotty, especially for UMG, but there is still a market for those two guys. How successful they are depends on the music and the amount of promotion that they get.

    I hear a whole lot of flat/sharp notes, poor breath support and questionable phrasing at times.

    I hear the same things in every live performance that Britney, Christina, Katy Perry, and Taylor Swift (just to name a few) give. Being a good technical singer doesn’t mean that someone is marketable. There are a lot of good technical singers who are studio singers, working with David Foster, or relegated to singing covers, because they don’t know how to connect with a song, but they have great voices.

    Did anybody else find it odd that Pia was at Simon Fuller’s party last night- and no other Idol castoff was? The pic was tweeted last night by American Idol.

    She’s probably the only one who is still in LA. And she’s the current topic from AI, right now, even though that’s already started to die down.

    I still believe that the numbers were rigged

    AI may manipulate the voters, but they would never say that someone was eliminated when they weren’t. That type of information has a way of getting out, and if it did, it would essentially lead to the show being canceled.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I’m still not convinced that many of these contestants are not loved more for their stage antics & TV entertainment than they are for their music.

    IMO, Casey is a contestant who is popular because of his odd, OTT performances, and perhaps James and Jacob to a lesser extent. When Casey dials back his schtick, like in the last couple of weeks, I feel that he’s a pretty ordinary singer, nothing special. James and Jacob may be successful niche singers, but I doubt that they will have the mainstream appeal to be very commercially successful.

    I think that this is “find young country singers” year on AI and that there will be a Scotty/Lauren finale. Both will be signed to recording contracts and will be pushed to appeal to the country/Taylor Swift demographic. Lauren has a better chance of more versatility and pop appeal than Scotty, but they will both start as country artists. AI doesn’t have a male country winner yet, so that’s the “box” that they are going to check off this year.

  • Tess

    but they would never say that someone was eliminated when they weren’t.

    FOX network probably doesn’t want the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) coming down on them…and down they will come if allegations of vote manipulation surface. They could pay hefty fines, have to pull the show, and could loose their license if that was ever proven.

    Bottom line for me is that this is a reality show…and viewers of the show are pretty much split about who is good, who is bad, who is doing their job, who isn’t, etc. This is what makes it good TV.

    I’m enjoying season 10…won’t miss Pia one iota…could care less if she is “signed” to a recording deal ’cause I don’t find her voice unique, or her style interesting and would never buy a thing she puts out. If Interscope wants to spend their time and money on her…have at it…it’s their dime.

  • mmb

    Idol is a tv show and as a tv show they try to make it interesting by highlighting backstories, focussing on certain contestants etc to get the audience invested in at least some of the contestants to keep them watching the show. The one thing I am sure they don’t do is rig the actually voting. There are laws against that. I am sure that – assuming pia will release a single pre finale- that she will not be the only one to do so. I think from here on out all of them will release something. They will all ( or at least most) have an original song to sing on tour. I see no problem with having pia on tour even if her single does well and she becomes a star. Season 8 Adam had already shot his Rolling Stone cover, was getting the best reviews and most media interest/hype etc and there was no issue. Every year some are signed and some are not and everyone seems to muddle through the tour just fine

  • karenc

    Elliegirl

    This situation always exists. I’m sure that it wasn’t easy for the rest of the top ten of season 8 to see Kris, Adam and Allison going off to record their albums during the tour, while they had a lot of free time, because Sony decided not to sign them.

    There is a difference, though, it is unprecedented that a finalist has been allowed to even announce a record deal or even a single before the winner is announced let alsone release something. It does kind of undermine the winner, or the
    significance of winning.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    AI may manipulate the voters, but they would never say that someone was eliminated when they weren’t. That type of information has a way of getting out, and if it did, it would essentially lead to the show being canceled.

    I believe that the person who leaves has received the lowest number of votes. However, I’m not so sure that the other 2 contestants in the bottom 3 have the next lowest votes. Ryan never says this, just that someone is in the “bottom three”, but when a contestant leaves, he does say that they have received the lowest number of votes.

  • mmb

    ^ but 1) nothing has been announced by pia, 19 or interscope- a report by us magazine and eonline is not an announcement, and 2) assuming she does release a single, this is exactly what interscope and tptb announced was their plan months ago! Why the surprise now? The winner ( at least since season 5) isn’t guaranteed anything except a record deal and a little higher advance. They are not guaranteed the first non coronation single release, nor the first album release etc. Seems to me the winner wil get the same thing he/ she always got regardless of what other finalists do. I’m not a big fan of pia ( tho I did vote for her, among others, ever week). But I have no issue with her signing a deal or releasing a single pre finale

  • koshka

    At what level?

    You used the example of Marvin Sapp as a successful niche performer that was talented enough to cross over.

    I hear the same things in every live performance that Britney, Christina, Katy Perry, and Taylor Swift (just to name a few) give. Being a good technical singer doesn’t mean that someone is marketable. There are a lot of good technical singers who are studio singers, working with David Foster, or relegated to singing covers, because they don’t know how to connect with a song, but they have great voices.

    Oh I totally agree that their singing sucks, but they are in pop, not niche genres. You were referring to the other contestants, not Pia as I read your reply to a specific quote (at least thats how I took it). If Crystal couldn’t sing well, I don’t think she would have done as well as she has.. and I’m still not impressed with her sales numbers. It just seems to me that niche artists need more credibility than pop artists. The bar seems higher & more specific to me for Rock, AAA & country. Plus these genres can smell a poser a mile off.

  • koshka

    It does kind of undermine the winner, or the
    significance of winning.

    I disagree with this mainly because if they win the popular vote they should be able to carry their own sales well enough. If they don’t then history is repeating itself yet again.

  • Landmd

    And she is not signed yet.
    We’ll have to see what kind of deal she gets. A single released to ITunes to make quick money? A single promoted to radio? An album with / without radio promotion?

    I wonder if they will release the sales numbers for the single before Idol is over when/if she is signed? I know they did for Chris M but it was also for charity.

  • kmd

    I would have to agree that the voters don’t always know how to pick the stars or who is the most marketable. I would think interscope would be a better judge of that.

  • Elliegrll

    You used the example of Marvin Sapp as a successful niche performer that was talented enough to cross over.

    I brought him up because someone said that Lauren and Scotty are the only ones who are marketable, and the others aren’t because they are targeted towards a certain niche. Who knows if these people who haven’t even released an album yet, will ever be successful in their niche or genre, but the fact is that there are some niche artists who are doing very well, even if they don’t cross over onto more mainstream formats, and there are some niche performers who are signed to major labels.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I disagree with this mainly because if they win the popular vote they should be able to carry their own sales well enough. If they don’t then history is repeating itself yet again.

    Yet in the past couple of years, receiving the most votes hasn’t translated into comparably robust sales. IMO, it’s all related to the fact that, because of not limiting the votes from any one source, the so-called “popular” vote is becoming less representative of true popularity. Also, the AI audience has increasingly become less representative of the general music buying public. It doesn’t look like either factor is going to change any time soon.

  • tripp_ncwy

    We don’t know what the new current obligations are – even with touring. I’m sure THEY don’t have a decision whether to tour, but Simon and Jimmy sure have flexibility.

    Contracts for touring are signed as soon as the top10(11) was decided. If you remember, they had meetings the next day. Pia will tour if anything the paycheck. Even if she signs a record deal, she will not be in line for a huge advance based on previous 19 contracts finishing 9th. The label would have little say in touring, that is all 19 & Simon. The label would love her being on tour & the free promotional opportunities to sell her (their) music and not on their dime.

  • Lucy1234

    I am not surprised by this. We saw them release a single for Chris Medina. I’m not so sure Interscope is going to sign her to a long term contract deal like the winners, runners up and others have gotten. All the Idols are signed to 19R through the show and concert. I think it makes sense for them to release a single for Pia. If it is current music, I will definately consider buying it.

  • koshka

    I brought him up because someone said that Lauren and Scotty are the only ones who are marketable, and the others aren’t because they are targeted towards a certain niche.

    I guess it depends on how you define marketability & success. Thats a horse that has been beaten to dead on this blog, so I’m just going to go with my definition (not disagreeing with others), which is:

    marketability = enough of a household name & high enough sales to gain AI a bullet point on their resume.

    By my definition, it might only be Scotty (maybe Lauren) …but then I don’t listen to enough country music to know if he is at all viable. And just for the record, I consider Taylor to be a success in his own right, mostly because he is able to afford to make music as a living. Even my own definition is sort of relative to whatever discussion is at hand.

  • doggiedr

    The interscope people quickly signed Pia because they know a lot of you don’t know how to pick the stars.

    If any of us here had surefire knowledge of how to pick the stars, we would be wearing suits and working for a label- not sitting here blog posting.
    Interscope is interested in her because they sense that they can make a quick buck from people who got caught up in a contestant. It certainly does not mean that they think she will be a world wide star and oh em gee.

    I seriously doubt that even 30% of those outraged by her ouster will actually put their money where their outrage is when the time comes to fork it over. It’s the drama that engages people. We can’t even begin to know any “star potential” until the hard sales numbers come out. It takes more than vocal ability to be a star.

    And personally I found her voice to be shrill and forced in the upper register- she doesn’t interest me in the least and I have picked every star that ever starred in the entire litany of stars :lol:

  • bean99

    I don’t have a problem with them giving a contract to anyone prior to the finals. Just because someone is voted out early doesn’t mean they’re not talented or could do well so why shouldn’t there be an option for a deal? If they didn’t think there was money to be made, it wouldn’t happen. It doesn’t take away the incentive for the rest because the only guaranteed contracts are with the f2. Obviously this isn’t a signed deal at this time and we may not even hear when/if it is.

  • koshka

    Yet in the past couple of years, receiving the most votes hasn’t translated into comparably robust sales. IMO, it’s all related to the fact that, because of not limiting the votes from any one source, the so-called “popular” vote is becoming less representative of true popularity. Also, the AI audience has increasingly become less representative of the general music buying public. It doesn’t look like either factor is going to change any time soon.

    Well…. exactly. :) Why penalize someone (whether pia or anyone else) that may have real potential over the winner of the popularity contest, who is already getting the most goodies. Besides we don’t really know what Interscope is planning on doing with this single. Was anyone really up in arms about Chris’s single? I don’t recall this being the case.

    ETA: besides whats the harm? In all the years of AI we really haven’t heard much from the ‘other rans’ besides a select few. *shrug*

  • Mel1

    I have picked every star that ever starred in the entire litany of stars

    Who have you picked in the past who have become stars?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Why penalize someone (whether pia or anyone else) that may have real potential over the winner of the popularity contest, who is already getting the most goodies. Besides we don’t really know what Interscope is planning on doing with this single. Was anyone really up in arms about Chris’s single? I don’t recall this being the case.

    ETA: besides whats the harm? In all the years of AI we really haven’t heard much from the ‘other rans’ besides a select few. *shrug*

    I agree. I see no problem with Pia (or anyone else) recording and releasing a single nor her being signed early in the competition. I guess that I stopped regarding AI as a “serious singing competition” a while ago, and now think of it as a “reality show” that is cast like other “reality” shows, plus I enjoy the entertainment aspects (mainly the singing). “Winning” the show has become far less important than the exposure, and now with Iovine/producers on site, they learn a lot about the contestants as recording artists very early, besides their performing abilities and make decisions with more information than the viewing public. I think that this is favorable for the contestants, even if it tends to diminish the importance of the voting public (but, as others have said, it’s probably not a good idea to rely on that assessment any more).

  • Mel1

    I think the shock and outrage in the media is mainly manufactured due to the judges reaction that night-whether real or not.

    I doubt the judges are that powerful. Celebs like Tom Hanks (even tho some people think he’s doing it for his own publicity) and many idol alums were voicing their disapproval. The alums, of all people, won’t be influenced by the judges. I think the outrage is very real.

    I think Pia’s so-called disconnection is exaggerated. How could she be connecting to so many people, otherwise.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    KEEP YOUR REMARKS FOCUSED ON THE TOPIC.

    The topic is PIA.

    NOT THE TOPIC:

    The comments in this thread.

    Other poster’s opinions. (Please don’t criticize, lecture or scold fellow posters)

    Fellow poster’s ability to properly pick a winner NOT THE TOPIC.

    I’m going to start putting posters in moderation soon.

  • http://www.comcast.net KAT80

    Look how boring Susan Boyle was, and to me did not connect with the music at all, and she sold over 6m albums. Pia may lack stage presence due to her shyness, but that is something that can be developed. They still have to push Cher out on stage. But, Pia was born with her vocal talent and she sings beautifully. The whole purpose of this show is to find talent and facts show that the winner of idol does not always equal sales. So if TPTB feel they have someone who will translate into sales, they are going to create a single and see how it does. If it sells, I am sure she will get a record deal and she will deserve it. They are not stupid, they see who has been successful from AI and it includes some of the winners and quite a few of the non-winners. They also know if they don’t sign her, someone else will. It is all about money for them. I think Pia is very talented and if her tracks are good, I will be buying. That is not always the case, unfortunately, for the idol winners. They get millions of votes, but they do not get millions or even over 2 – 300,000 in sales. I don’t know why people have to be so negative on someone from AI being successful. I wish Pia all the luck in the world.

  • tinawina

    Well it seems like a no-brainer to at least try with Pia IMO. She has the raw goods in looks and singing ability, and now she has exposure and access to powerful management. If she also displayed the necessarily behind-the-scenes work ethic and professionalism then I don’t see how they wouldn’t at least put a single out on her. Everything else she’s missing can be taught – stage presence and connecting with an audience – didn’t we just have the Idol vocal coaches say a few weeks ago that they had to teach a few past contestants how to do that? Cookie was one, I’m pretty sure.

    The only question to me is are they really going to try and develop her or are they just going to go for the quick buck. I wish her luck. I liked her recorded voice so I hope something comes out of this.

  • shell29

    That is not always the case, unfortunately, for the idol winners. They get millions of votes, but they do not get millions or even over 2 – 300,000 in sales.

    It’s one thing to cast a free vote, it’s another to fork over $8-$13 for an album. Votes (or facebook friends or twitter followers) don’t always translate to huge album sales-that has been the case for a while now (for the winners and the also-rans).

  • monleo1705

    I just wanted to state for the record that today my pastor just pointed out casually during his message at church that this week’s elimination was a TRAVESTY. Idol injustice he called it. LOL!
    it’s funny to hear a pastor talking about current entertainment news, however that must certainly mean majority of people thought her ouster was completely unjustified considering they all think she has a fantastic voice. Come on. We can’t deny that girl sang her face off every week! And as of now, this article is still generating 400 over comments! If anything, Pia is THE news of this season. Unless someone unexpected wins it all- say stefano lol!

  • artemis

    The big news in all this is that Idol is trying to get music out there while the show is still on the air and people are much more likely to buy. I’m sure they’ve noticed how well this works for Glee. They have already gotten a song out for Chris Medina-maybe they were using him as a test case.
    Pia has a much better chance of a big hit if she releases while the show is on than waiting for the fall when all the heavy hitters debut. UMG has incentive to promote her because they have the Idol contract now and something to prove. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have her record a duet with a male star who is signed to UMG, like Jordan did with Chris Brown for “No Air.”
    Lee was signed by RCA, which no longer has the Idol contract and did not give him the big Idol promotion, but only a moderate one.

    The one week from Season 9 where Itunes sales numbers were released, Lee far outsold Crystal and all the other contestants combined.He wasn’t given an original coronation single with a potential for radioplay, which could have helped keep his name out there. When he appeared on Idol, his album got a large sales boost as many viewers realized for the first time that he had an album out.
    I’m mentioning Lee’s case to emphasize that Idol is smart to change the way contestants are promoted and music released, not to discuss anyone’s merits as a singer or who will fill arenas. Mileage varies on that :) TPTB are wise to get a single out quickly for Pia-any publicity she gets is good for the show.

  • cowboysfan

    Pia is definitely getting a full blown record deal out of this. The insider at Interscope specifically said that the deal is for an album, not just a single. With all of the outrage and publicity her ouster has generated, AI really doesn’t have a choice. I actually think Pia was the “chosen one” whom they wanted to sign from day one. Everything that’s happened in the past few days has just accelerated the process.

  • songsungblue

    cowboysfan, this isn’t AI’s first rodeo :) Heh. Public outrage is not going to do a damn thing. [Although I'm puzzled who the outrage is at, exactly. Themselves? For not voting for her? Whatever.] If they think they can make money, they’ll go with it. But I’ll say this – any album rushed out is not going to be as good as an album well-thought out.

    Look how boring Susan Boyle was, and to me did not connect with the music at all, and she sold over 6m albums.

    What happened to SB is a freak event. The industry can’t rely on freak events. That’s hoping lightning will strike twice. Look, I have nothing against the girl, it’s her musical taste and mushy, lifeless center that doesn’t appeal. She should only live and be well, as my gramma would say. Hah. But for you for me, she’s not such a special snowflake because she lost a reality TV show competition. I would be surprised if she recorded something fantastic at this point. It’s easy to confuse stagecraft with the ability to imbue her voice with emotion and gravitas. That’s kind of the issue for me. Even singers who have horrible stagefright – like Streisand and Carly Simon – manage to make their music resonant emotionally.

    *Shrugs* We’ll see, right? She’d be great on Sesame Street. :)

  • jpfan

    A little surprised. I don’t think she’s very current but a single makes sense. Very smart to release music early though beccause viewers have short memories.

  • abl890

    Very smart to release music early though beccause viewers have short memories.

    I don’t think any idol contestant would have had success if we based it on the viewership buying records. It obviously helps, but Pia or anyone else is going to need broader support to make it.

  • cowboysfan

    Keep in mind that TPTB have access to the full voting data. They know how many unique voters each contestant is receiving and where they are coming from. It’s possible that they see some patterns in Pia’s votes which lead them to believe she will sell better than her 9th place finish would indicate.

    A quick search through Pia’s DialIdol data would suggest that she got a lot of votes from affluent urban/suburban area codes. Orange county, CA and Westchester county, NY are prime examples. People in those areas have more disposable income and are therefore more likely to purchase music. Compare her to someone like Scotty, whose base of support is in small rural states like Arkansas and Alabama. Kris Allen could testify to the fact that those people are less likely to buy music. ;-)

  • jpfan

    Country fans buy tons of music. Music isn’t so expensive that only the rich can afford it.

  • girlygirl

    In a way, Interscope is playing with house money. If Pia hits, they can say that they knew all along that she’d be a star, even if the AI voters didn’t get her. If she does poorly, they can say “well, what do you expect — she only finished 9th on Idol”

  • girlygirl

    I don’t think rich/affluent people are any more likely to buy music than people with less disposable income. In fact, the wealthier people are probably spending a lot of their disposable income on houses, cars, fancy vacations, etc., while the people with less disposable income would be more likely to spend it on things they could afford, like CDs or movie tickets.

  • artemis

    cowboys fan-
    I don’t know if we can put much faith in dialidol anymore. Online voting seems to have ruined their predictive ability. DI had Pia safe and Paul going home, and he wasn’t even in the bottom three. It’s hard to know where the online votes are concentrated.

  • cowboysfan

    Country fans buy tons of music. Music isn’t so expensive that only the rich can afford it.

    Country fans aren’t all the same, though. Carrie Underwood and Shania Twain can appeal to urban audiences. I doubt the same could be said for Josh Turner.

    I would be surprised if income wasn’t correlated with music purchases. Buying a $10 CD or a $50 concert ticket is definitely not a priority when you’re struggling to put food on the table.

  • Elek

    edit; I hope to not be understood. Pia is white people pretty. Sorry Elek, but Pia is not a person of color. Naima and Karen are classically pretty, but not caucasion. So the caucasion girl gets the contract.

    @iluvai @Elliegrll
    In this particular thread I have not mentioned anything about colour/ethnicity but since this is out here, let me clarify matters as simple as possible to be understood once and for all.

    Whilst so many posters believe that there is so much of gender discrimination in the competition and though I agree that there’s kind of discrimination going on, the issue is not about gender but more on the ethnic root of the finalists. And to be more precise, what I noticed is that those whose roots are not from the original place where the majority of the Americans came from, are more likely to be eliminated first. That’s when I have mentioned the “colour” thingy — Ashton (Africa), Karen (Puerto Rico), Naima (Africa), Thia (the Philippines) and Pia (Italy).

    I hope I have made myself clear (clearer) and if my explanation still remains questionable, then I can’t help it anymore and I would understand completely.

  • merkureye

    Even if Interscope did not want to sign Pia Toscano, some other label surely would. Of course signing with another label would have to happen after the summer Idol tour. I will tell you I am buyer Pia’s single, ITune download, CD or any other product format that will reproduce Pia’s beautiful vocals.

    Pia may not have the “IT” factor. I will leave that judgment to others more knowledgeable of the entertainment world. But, I do recognize when someone has “class” and that is something that Pia has in spades.

    The maturity in which Pia has handled herself from her sincere thanks to the judges for selecting her for the top 24; to the way she handled herself during Thursday’s elimination and after, with no criticism of either the voters or judges, and wishing only the best to the other contestants was graceful and elegant. That was real class!

    Oh, BTW MJ, I love your blog. It is the best on the web.

  • halo9125

    And to be more precise, what I noticed is that those whose roots are not from the original place where the majority of the Americans came from, are more likely to be eliminated first. That’s when I have mentioned the “colour” thingy — Ashton (Africa), Karen (Puerto Rico), Naima (Africa), Thia (the Philippines) and Pia (Italy).

    Interesting. I never thought of it that way- although I always did have my doubts about a little white Italian girl from New York City (bad) and even worse, from Howard Beach (worse given our bad reputation) stood a chance to be the “American” Idol. So, if this holds true, Stefano is the next to go- unless he’s one of the recipients of the tween vote.

  • Elek

    Everyone that made it to the Hollywood audition can sing and can actually become breakout artists if they were given proper attention but in a reality show such as American Idol, the judges are more particular on finding those who have potentials of becoming instant stars. As the audition period is so short a time, the judges really had a tough time on filtering the number to 24.

    In previous years, no Hollywood contestant had created enough buzz until this season. And thanks to Jennifer Lopez’s help as Chris Medina’s situation created a big buzz. It was totally unexpected and it prompted AI to give the guy an instant break of recording a single that would benefit his girl’s accidental disability.

    The same kind of scenario took place when Pia Toscano was eliminated. The media that firmly believed that she was the frontrunner created enough news for the whole country to talk about. This I believe is the major reason why Pia is now being given the break. The claim that she has the best voice is highly disputable. I for one happen to believe that she is the most poised and she has the most beautiful face amongst the female finalists BUT unfortunately, I never considered her voice nor her singing style that authentic that’s why I was in total shock when Randy and company gave her a standing ovation for I was uneasy watching her rendition more than blown away. And I bet – that undeserving approval started all the mess. If they remained seated and praised her with their usual superlative, no media will ever think that she is the finalist to beat.

    On the other hand, I wish Pia the best for the break Iovine has extended to her. I hope she sells well but however successful the single would be will not change my pure thoughts about her. I would definitely not bother having a copy when it is released but I won’t mind listening to it once it hits the blogs. Her singing is simply NOT my cup of tea!

    Whose albums do I own? Kelly Clarkson, Tamyra Gray, Clay Aiken, Joshua Gracin, John Stevens, Elliot Yamin, Phil Stacey, David Cook, Jason Castro, Kris Allen and Adam Lambert. I practically like all the winners (except maybe for Reuben Studdard) but I only purchased the ones I could bear to listen to once in a while.

  • Elek

    Interesting. I never thought of it that way- although I always did have my doubts about a little white Italian girl from New York City (bad) and even worse, from Howard Beach (worse given our bad reputation) stood a chance to be the “American” Idol. So, if this holds true, Stefano is the next to go- unless he’s one of the recipients of the tween vote.

    There are actually two more left in the group: Jacob Lusk and Stefano Langone.

    If my theory remains true, either one of them will go next but if the “female thingy” rules, my best bet is Haley.

  • artemis

    I seriously doubt Pia’s Italian heritage has anything to do with her having the lowest vote total last week. That is really a stretch. Lots of Italian Americans, from Annette Funicello, to Madonna to Cake Boss Buddy have been extremely popular with Middle America.
    Pia is out because her fans were complacent and didn’t vote enough.

  • AvalonL

    I seriously doubt Pia’s Italian heritage has anything to do with her having the lowest vote total last week. That is really a stretch. Lots of Italian Americans, from Annette Funicello, to Madonna to Cake Boss Buddy have been extremely popular with Middle America.

    I both agree and disagree (and btw Lady Gaga is another Italian-American who has been hugely successful). But I don’t think it should be overlooked that each of the 5 singers booted thus far have been “ethnic” (6 if you include Casey, who is Jewish). And if you put a vote to Middle America to choose between the Cake Boss and Paula Deen, well, I think we know who would win.

  • merkureye

    Pia is out because her fans were complacent and didn’t vote enough.

    I agree that Pia’s fans were complacent but, as far as not voting enough, I think Pia fans were at a slight technological disadvantage. Apparently, according to some posters, there is the capability for one person to text up to 20,000 votes in a two hour period. I do not know how that can be done nor do any of my fellow Pia fan friends. There is no way that my (our) 10 to 20 cell phone votes can match someones ability to vote 20,000 times.

    Idol would have to explain these various voting methods to the public in order for the voting to be anywhere close to measuring actual fan support with this disproportionate ability for some to “power” vote.

    I am of an older demographic and oh, BTW, of an income demographic that will have no problem buying (looking forward to it) multiple copies of Pia’s CD for gifts to my friends.

    Pia may not be on the TV show now but you can bet TPTB are grateful that Pia will be on the Idol Tour. After the group numbers and Pia’s individual peformance (given to a riveted audience I’m sure), I will be at the beer and merchandise (Pia merchandise) concessions.

  • artemis

    I have no idea how to power vote and don’t have AT&T, but power voting is available to all fan bases. I wish it weren’t an option for anyone but it makes money for the sponsor, so it’s probably here to stay. I don’t let it stop me from voting for two hours on my phone and getting my 50 votes online. I still haven’t gotten over Daughtry’s shock boot, I guess.

  • Elek

    But I don’t think it should be overlooked that each of the 5 singers booted thus far have been “ethnic” (6 if you include Casey, who is Jewish).

    @AvalonL:
    Thanks for pointing that info about Casey being Jewish as it actually escaped my mind. And considering that, my theory seems true. I am aware that ethnicity/religion is not the contributing factor to the elimination. It is just that those people had the least followers that can do power voting.

    Apparently, according to some posters, there is the capability for one person to text up to 20,000 votes in a two hour period.

    @merkureye:
    That power voting if I am not mistaken rampantly was in use during the Adam Lambert-Kris Allen finale. That’s why turnout of votes reached the hundred million mark which is the highest in AI history with Kris garnering around three hundred eighty thousand from Arkansas (his state) alone. So if you take away the results from both finalists’ city state, everyone could really guess who won that season. Both Kris and Adam were my top favourites then.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I have no idea how to power vote and don’t have AT&T, but power voting is available to all fan bases. I wish it weren’t an option for anyone but it makes money for the sponsor, so it’s probably here to stay. I don’t let it stop me from voting for two hours on my phone and getting my 50 votes online. I still haven’t gotten over Daughtry’s shock boot, I guess.

    Power texting is not just available to AI voters it is available to all AT&T customers and other phone carriers.

  • Shadow_i

    The Interscope producers knows Pia has a great voice and the total package to be a star like Carry Underwood that’s why they signed her. They already praised her before and had their eyes on her. They know what matters isn’t who idol fans picks, but who will really do well with general mainstream audience and international crowd who don’t even watch idol – that’s why Taylor Hicks, Crystal Bowersox, Lee Dwayze did poorly. I didn’t care for those 3 either, but my taste is mainstream america and what’s popular internationally – that’s why Kelly Clarkson has done so well.

    My other top favorites like Pia who were voted off early are Chris Daughtry and Jennifer Hudson and we’ve seen how well they are doing. Pia will do well too. She’s gonna do pop-soul vibe and they will give her current stuff. I’ve heard stuff she recorded before idol and I know she can be on current scene like Beyonce. (I saw Pia collaborating with an hip-hop artist, and there is a youtube of Pia’s cover of lady Gaga’s ‘Paparazzi’ that blew me away. She’s versatile and not all ballads) That’s what sells here, and internationally and the Interscope guys knows that, and won’t waste the potential to make Pia a real star. It would be a waste of a season if idol can’t produce another star with total package like Pia. Steven Tyler said Pia is a star in this idol universe and he’s right. And Jennifer Hudson and Kelly Clarkson were also inspired by the divas like Pia – I think that’s a good thing. Pia will be fine.

  • Elek

    I seriously doubt Pia’s Italian heritage has anything to do with her having the lowest vote total last week. That is really a stretch. Lots of Italian Americans, from Annette Funicello, to Madonna to Cake Boss Buddy have been extremely popular with Middle America.

    You are right but Annette Funicello, Madonna and Cake Boss Buddy though popular in Middle America has nothing to do with American Idol. It really does not make any sense that since Middle America loves Annette and the others mentioned that they have to also like Pia.

  • Elek

    The Interscope producers knows Pia has a great voice and the total package to be a star like Carry Underwood that’s why they signed her. They already praised her before and had their eyes on her. They know what matters isn’t who idol fans picks, but who will really do well with general mainstream audience and international crowd who don’t even watch idol – that’s why Taylor Hicks, Crystal Bowersox, Lee Dwayze did poorly.

    I definitely know who has potentials to become stars and I really cannot imagine Pia becoming one. Even if I bang my head so hard on the wall, I still do not see her star potential. LOL.

  • artemis

    Elek- I was just saying if people were not voting for Pia, it wasn’t because she’s of Italian heritage. It’s because the majority of people who bothered to vote. preferred another singer, for their own individual reasons.

  • abl890

    For those that haven’t seen it. There are videos of Pia singing before Idol up on youtube.

  • SpenserJ

    There are actually two more left in the group: Jacob Lusk and Stefano Langone.

    If my theory remains true, either one of them will go next but if the “female thingy” rules, my best bet is Haley.

    Oh dang, a conspiracy to vote out the Italians? I’m feelin’ sympathy for my people :). Actually, if Stefano is next to go, I think it will be because he is the least interesting contestant left. And, that America got tired of his lounge lizard act.

    I think Jacob is one of the lower vote getters left. But I don’t think it’s because he’s not caucasion. I believe he’s a bad song-picker.

    If Haley goes next, I’ll cut someone :).

  • Elek

    @SpenserJ @artemis:

    Both of you are right, it’s not a race issue and my theory is purely conincidental.

  • JudyOhio

    But I don’t think it should be overlooked that each of the 5 singers booted thus far have been “ethnic” (6 if you include Casey, who is Jewish).

    Uh oh, Scotty is 1/4 Puerto Rican!!!!! Is he in danger soon???

    lol, j/k :)

  • songsungblue

    With all due respect, I stand by my earlier opinion: No one knows if she’ll become a star or not. Record companies throw money at lots of people that don’t become stars – Carly Smithson, anyone? ;) I don’t think you can say that because a few celebrities liked Pia that ergo – she has great potential! Their opinions are no more schooled than any of ours. It’s not like they were invited to a private concert starring Pia Toscano! :) Opinions are like uh, other holes. Everyone has a couple.

    Celebrities were also tweeting about Chris Medina. A few actors tweet support to Paul. Is there a list of celebrities who know star quality and those who don’t?

  • tripp_ncwy

    Pia is not confirming nor denying the rumors of a record deal.

    @CHRIS_Daughtry
    Glad to see @PToscanoAI10 got a record deal so quickly…best of luck!

    @PToscanoAI10
    @CHRIS_Daughtry thank you for all the support chris! You really are such an inspiration

  • merkureye

    songsungblue – You are so right about Pia’s PR ability regarding her handling of the TMZ ambush. I am afraid the days of Pia’s demure disposition must come to an end if she is going to survive in the entertainment industry. She is going to have to become strong and determined when confronted with rude tabloid reporters.

    I also didn’t think Mark Ballas showed any particular gallantry when the reporter vulgarly asked Pia if her and Ballas were going to do the “horizontal Mambo”. Ballas did not object to the TMZ guy making such a comment in front of the lady, rather he thought it was funny that the TMZ mispronounced Mamba. Ballas didn’t show me much there.

    Pia honey, keep the Ballas relationship limited to two dates and move on. You can do alot better.

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