Nigel Lythgoe on arguing with "Morons" and "Megalomaniac Fans"

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OMG Ha ha. Nigel Lythgoe is so funny.  He explains to MTV why James Durbin went both first and last in the performance line up last week:

“James opened the week before,” he said. “He opened it again [last] week, which is not the great spot to be in, and then we changed him to the last [for the second song], so it was fairer. So when Standards and Practices said to us, ‘Why is he opening twice?’ Well he’s opening twice because there are four songs in that first genre, he’s the uptempo one. You don’t want to open the show with a ballad, so you start with an uptempo song. And he’s last because he’s due to be last, because he’s opened the show for two weeks now.

“That was all it was,” he continued. “God forbid logic comes into a megalomaniac fan that just wants their #1 to win and everything else is: The world’s against them!”

I’m a little confused about the role of a network’s “Standards and Practices”.  Doesn’t making sure  Steven Tyler keeps his potty mouth in check keep S&P too busy to worry about who goes 1st or last on Idol? Heh.

About the conspiracy theorists, Nigel says, “I always end up having to go, ‘You morons out there …’ or something like that, and realize that I’m arguing with 7- or 8-year-olds from Wisconsin.

Oh Nigel. NEVER EVER CHANGE!

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  • blkeener

    And he’s last because he’s due to be last, because he’s opened the show for two weeks now.

    So the fact that Scotty has never closed a show…and that Haley has never opened a show……….??

  • tinawina

    I’m a little confused about the role of a network’s “Standards and Practices”.

    I guess because it is a game show they have to make sure things are fair? Your guess is as good as mine.

    But he has said that thing about opening with an uptempo song before, so that part makes sense.

  • gangreen29

    I <3 Nigel

  • NOLA

    And he’s last because he’s due to be last, because he’s opened the show for two weeks now.

    Can somebody get the phone number for S&P?
    And when did Scotty go last, Nigel?

  • Trina

    Oh for gods sake. First of all if he gave a shit about what’s “due” then Scotty would have had the pimp spot at least 2 weeks ago. And he doesn’t expect questioning when the whole first and last thing has never been do
    ne with solo performances? Please they’ve opened the show with ballads before STFU Nigel.

  • Valentin432

    I actually am happy that Nigel adresses the James thing.

    I can’t understand at all the argument that somehow opening the show is an advantage?
    That is the time with the least number of people watching and it’s the spot where the most people end up being eliminated.

    There’s no rhyme or reason to the “starting and finishing the show” complains, the only part of pimping is the “finishing”.

  • Mel1

    Nice Wisconsin dis, Nigel.

  • tinawina

    I can’t understand at all the argument that somehow opening the show is an advantage?

    I think he’s arguing its a disadvantage, which is why James was owed the pimp spot, to even things out. Supposedly. Heh.

  • lili_anne7

    What about Scotty? He has never been last, and that’s not fair. We all know he’s leading the votes, but he should at least have the pimp spot once.

  • tierbee

    LOL. Nigel cracks me up. He’s a nut.

  • miniglik

    I <3 Nigel

    Me too. I have for awhile. Magnificent bastard.

  • Valentin432

    I think he’s arguing its a disadvantage, which is why James was owed the pimp spot, to even things out. Supposedly. Heh.

    Maybee I didn’t express myself well enough, but that’s exactly what I’m agreeing with.

    I read a ton of comments about how James opening and closing the show is an obvious sign of pimping and I don’t get how opening it is somehow considered a good thing now?
    I think he would have been better served if he could go last on each round like Haley did on top 5 night because more people would have watched his first performance.

  • Mtlfan

    haha what’s wrong with Wisconsin?

  • Buffynut

    NOLA says:

    05/17/2011 at 4:51 pm

    And he’s last because he’s due to be last, because he’s opened the show for two weeks now.

    Can somebody get the phone number for S&P?
    And when did Scotty go last, Nigel?

    Exactly!!!

    You know, Nigel’s been gone for 2 years and in that time, I think the Idol fans have become more “sophisticated” about the reality of this reality show! He might be a little suprised about the things that he thought would go unnoticed that are being questioned! Oh, and no twitter 3 season ago. So now he is being confronted immediately!

  • Elliegrll

    I’m a little confused about the role of a network’s “Standards and Practices”. Doesn’t making sure Steven Tyler keeps his potty mouth in check keep S&P too busy to worry about who goes 1st or last on Idol? Heh.

    I can see why they would care, because if people start thinking that the show is rigged, not only will viewers stop watching, but the show and network will be in legal trouble with the FCC.

  • Kirsten

    Oh for gods sake. First of all if he gave a shit about what’s “due” then Scotty would have had the pimp spot at least 2 weeks ago. And he doesn’t expect questioning when the whole first and last thing has never been done with solo performances? Please they’ve opened the show with ballads before STFU Nigel.

    This totally bears repeating.

    Uncle Nigel is a hoot. He’s just winding us up. Machivalian little twerp that he is.

  • Incipit

    Dizzyfeet sure can tapdance, can’t he?

    Get him a gig in “Chicago” to do “Razzle Dazzle” – he’s been practicing long enough!

    Bwahahah!

  • J9BT

    Mel1 says:

    05/17/2011 at 4:52 pm

    Nice Wisconsin dis, Nigel.

    I was thinking the same thing. Also a dis of kids too. Nasty man. :-)

  • Pam

    Oh for gods sake. First of all if he gave a shit about what’s “due” then Scotty would have had the pimp spot at least 2 weeks ago. And he doesn’t expect questioning when the whole first and last thing has never been do

    Thank you! Uncle Nigel must think we are a bunch of mindless twits that don’t notice these things.

    Uncle Nigel is a hoot. He’s just winding us up. Machivalian little twerp that he is.

    He loves to stir the pot. ;)

  • Eileen99

    Nigel is SO. MUCH. FUN. lol

  • ayhr86

    And how about not revealing who was really in the b3 with casey on the top 6??

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Nigel’s an ass, but sometimes he cracks me up! LOL!

  • abbysee

    Oh Nigel this shit doesn’t keep you up at night at all does it? LOL!

    Werk!

  • Shander222

    I actually agree with Nigel on this one 100%.

    I normally don’t. I thought his jusfitication of criticism of only contestant for things others could equally have been praised for held no water. I think Randy has really crossed the line betwen acceptable cheerleading and bias an even worse, slid to bullying by his tone of voice, selective noticing of the same flaws among performers, and inane suggestions at times (put runs gratioutus runs in at a point of a plaintive agry pleah in a song — polution.. dah dah doo dat).

    Overhearing “im not rooting for her” … a hope of failure instead of hoping every performer he’s judging and appearing on his show does their very best is such a fallen an low human emotion, makes no sense if you want a quality show, and is telling that he’s trying from the start to find anything he can to tar some-one he doesn’t like.

    But back to the Song order.. while I’d like a moderately fair competition I do understand that it is an entertainment show even more than a contest and that where entertainment can be enhanced for modest impact on advantage and a the advantage could be argued to be earned and fairly dependent on contestant choices, it is 100% justifiable if done with good faith.

    It is also a sort of “bias” that is able to be overcome and not an attempt to deliberately undermine but a by product of song choice (and the behind the scenes song choice and scoring issue probably has some very sticky wickets involved but thats another issue.

    It makes sense to start with an upbeat song and end with what you believe is a very strong peformance. Thats probably been the case since Greeks chanting wearing toga’s in stone amplitheaters…certainly this century.

    A contestant knows when he picks an upbeat song (or can’t find a way to deflect being railroaded into it) that they’re increasing the likelyhood of certain placement, yet avoiding other risks associated with something thats got a stronger chance of being boring.

    I’ve found the “pimp” spot to be well earned 95% of the shows i’ve watched for the last two years. The last performance of the night is almost always the best or tied for the best and very rarely does a really amazing performance get passed over for a “blah” finale…unless the peformance was a great, but sort of sleepy way to go out. My first impression wouldn’t prove that, but because i watch everything on Tivo (i bought Tivo when it came out and i’ll watch the superbowl on it 3minutes behind real time if necesary) i’ll replay things i like dozens of times as well as using fast forward. I’ll certainly listen to all the songs that sparked and interest and some will grow on me while others will get cloying (david arhiletto’s melisma was disagreeable the first go round and nauseating on a re-watch).

    The long and short… they’ve been fair enough on the placing of performances and I can see them in an all things being equal situation deciding to give a contestant the benefit of the doubt in a close call to even things out.

    I who have nothing can be a pretty sleepy song and even though haley had a great perfomance, James did a pretty good and exciting job on his number which had a pretty good intenisty to close a show with some energy. Made sense to me…and the singing order has never been a big gripe of mine.

  • tomr

    It’s almost an admission that he knew that James was in trouble and was going all out to try to save him. Too bad it didn’t work. Just like not revealing the bottom two or three when Lauren was there. Nigel the Manipulator. He is a master at that but he doesn’t like to be called out on it by those of you who are so much smarter than he is. Remember Season 1…no conspiracies, no tweets, no blogs,etc. Perhaps we should return to the old days. We’d have much more time in our lives.

  • OldHag

    What about Scotty? He has never been last, and that’s not fair. We all know he’s leading the votes, but he should at least have the pimp spot once.

    He will get it the night of the final 2, when it doesn’t matter. Actually it doesn’t matter with the final three. But hey! He got to go first twice instead. First is best, right?

    As for not announcing the bottom 2, I am convinced both of those times Little Lauren was there.

  • Trina

    Well yeah like I said yesterday, unlike Pia I really do believe he genuinely likes(d) James because for one he hasnt spewed some of the crap he did like he did after her boot, you know where he basically said “bitch please she wasn’t winning this shit anyway so stop yer whining”. But nigel should have also bought a clue that sometimes, sometimes favoritism and excessive pimping sends the wrong message and has the opposite impact.

  • NOLA

    It’s almost an admission that he knew that James was in trouble and was going all out to try to save him.

    That’s the way I read it as well; but didn’t we already have that figured out?

  • tomr

    For sure when we saw that the phone numbers still remained sequential.

  • koshka

    Nigel.. I’m thinking you might need to sleep with one eye open. LOL

  • sunchick

    Takes one to know one, Nigel, is all I’m saying. That, and you can’t bullshit a bullshitter. Bwah, gotta love him.

  • NOLA

    LOL koshka, the one in the middle of his forehead, or one of the others?

  • Buffynut

    OldHag says:

    05/17/2011 at 5:40 pm

    As for not announcing the bottom 2, I am convinced both of those times Little Lauren was there.

    Me too! I brought it up the night of Casey and was completely shot down here. It’s fun to see, after the events of the last 2 weeks, having people see the possiblity!

  • koshka

    NOLA LOL :)

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Koshka:

    Your gravatars are fantastic! lol

  • koshka

    Me too! I brought it up the night of Casey and was completely shot down here. It’s fun to see, after the events of the last 2 weeks, having people see the possiblity!

    But what exactly would that have done? This I’ve never been clear about. People would stop voting for a losing contestant? Or to keep them from rallying behind her?

  • lostinidol

    Takes one to know one, Nigel, is all I’m saying. That, and you can’t bullshit a bullshitter. Bwah, gotta love him.

    Well put, but I always disliked Nigel. Heaven forbid that a 7 or 8 year old might have figured out that Nigel is all about the manipulation. Man, that must really wound that overblown ego of his. After the press has repeated shoved his nose in the fact that a female can’t win Idol, does anyone really think Nigel wants to see a guy win? He can like James all he wants but eliminating him last week insured that at least a female will make it into the finals.

  • tomr

    I wonder if I should include “moron” on my resume and ask Nigel to be a reference?

  • jeffreythegleek

    7 year olds from Wisconsin? I doubt they would know how to tweet, but at least he ends with a joke. I wonder is Simon will be this much fun when X Factor starts and he gets accused of pimping and throwing people under the magic bus. This week Haley has the uptempo Alanis song (judges’ choice) while Scotty and Lauren have ballads. So by Nigel’s logic, Haley will open and Scotty will close. Then Uncle Nigel will go on Twitter and say, “There, you morons happy now?” Which or course the Haley fans won’t be. But that’s another story.

  • tomr

    Is it really a pimp spot at this point anyway? I know our attention spans are short but really? The unfairness has already been done. Is there really anyone that comes on these blogs that hasn’t already made up their mind? It’s the casual voters that hold the key.

  • brian_ny1976

    nigel is a douche…american idol sucks a big one this year

  • JayJ

    I can’t stand this guy. Him and Randy, and J.Lo, and Steven Tyler (who does nothing) need to go….

  • chearts77

    And he’s last because he’s due to be last, because he’s opened the show for two weeks now.

    Nigel, Nigel, Nigel!!! James went last because he was “due” to go last? What about Scotty, bud? Scotty has NEVER closed the show.

  • MrDuffin

    I can see why they would care, because if people start thinking that the show is rigged, not only will viewers stop watching, but the show and network will be in legal trouble with the FCC.

    The show is rigged just like wrestling is rigged. It is called entertainment and it is not supposed to be real.

  • Buffynut

    koshka says:

    05/17/2011 at 6:09 pm

    But what exactly would that have done? This I’ve never been clear about. People would stop voting for a losing contestant? Or to keep them from rallying behind her?

    Did you see the way she fell apart the week they revealed her in the bottom 2? I think they were just trying to protcet their baby. Probably not malicious at all. I will say though, that this year has been the only time I remember the bottom 3 or 2 not being mentioned 3 times in one season.

  • Truthiness

    He needs to stop insulting 7-8 year old Wisconsiners. I was one once, and I could have seen through his blatant crap as one.

    That being said, Nigel is douchey like a fox! Ratings and buzz are up about the show. As frustrated as people might be with things, like oh, the completely sucky judges, he’s done a good job in getting the show talked about after the ZZzzzz of season 9. So he’s doing his job.

    I just wish he’d realize that even 7 or 8 year olds can see through his machinations. James was “due” that spot? Uhhh right.

  • TwigLA

    I’m a little confused about the role of a network’s “Standards and Practices”. Doesn’t making sure Steven Tyler keeps his potty mouth in check keep S&P too busy to worry about who goes 1st or last on Idol? Heh.

    Standards & Practices are there for various things, especially to make sure that the competition is fair. American Idol is considered a game show.

  • Elliegrll

    The show is rigged just like wrestling is rigged. It is called entertainment and it is not supposed to be real.

    Tell that to the people involved in Twenty One game show scandal, and the FCC.

  • koshka

    Did you see the way she fell apart the week they revealed her in the bottom 2? I think they were just trying to protcet their baby. Probably not malicious at all. I will say though, that this year has been the only time I remember the bottom 3 or 2 not being mentioned 3 times in one season.

    LOL I’ve been hanging out at the grassy knoll so long that not only are my allergies kicking up, but I can only see possible angles of devious manipulation. Didn’t even occur to me that it could be as simple as not wanting to completely unravel. ;)

  • OldHag

    Tell that to the people involved in Twenty One game show scandal, and the FCC.

    That is why you can count that the one leaving is the one that is supposed to be leaving each week and the one that is announced as the winner at the end, is the winner. Everything else is up for grabs and doesn’t qualify under the FCC “shame on you” umbrella.

    I fall under the “we don’t want to her to unravel” or “we have to keep her confidence up” theorist group.

  • SpenserJ

    Your gravatars are fantastic! lol

    Koshka’s gravatars are about the only thing I flail over. I feel the urge to defend them on Twitter :).

    I must say, I do so love when Nigel fights with the fantards.

  • eyelinerandcigarettes

    Okay that thing he said about “7-8 girls from Wisconsin” was so uncalled for.

  • Taryn

    I feel confident that Nigel didn’t win any fans from Wisconsin with that comment (or 7-8 year old girls). I believe the megalomaniac is Nigel. He talked on SYTYCD about not making it about the judges, but he’s always doing something to bring attention back to him. I’ve learned that he’s just a bag of hot air with a huge ego.

  • http://www.latenightbanter.com MBLovesPaula

    Buffynut says:
    Did you see the way she fell apart the week they revealed her in the bottom 2? I think they were just trying to protcet their baby. Probably not malicious at all. I will say though, that this year has been the only time I remember the bottom 3 or 2 not being mentioned 3 times in one season.

    Koshka says:
    LOL I’ve been hanging out at the grassy knoll so long that not only are my allergies kicking up, but I can only see possible angles of devious manipulation. Didn’t even occur to me that it could be as simple as not wanting to completely unravel.
    ;)

    I really enjoyed both of these comments.

  • Staceyag

    Nigel is anass and he is lying again, those voting lines were rigged! I caled my mom called my husband sister daughter we all called couldnt’ get through then #5 I was hung up on and confused was he really #5 or #8 but I did dial number *. there was too many issues, & they shouldn’t have changed the line up right smack in the middle of the show! I was at the show & I thought it was strange!! James better get brought back to the show or I will never ever watch the show again!

  • Staceyag

    I don’t understand why a grown man would call people out like that he knows darn well there was somthing wrong with those voting lines not to mention the changing of the lineup. they should have had it right the rfist time or left ti the way it was it just confused the heck out of everyone.