Idol Headlines for 12/20/12

Clay Aiken performs at Wild Horse Pass Casino in Chandler, AZ.
Kimberley Locke performs at A Holiday in the Heartland in Milwaukee, WI.
Phil Stacey performs at West Side Baptist Church in El Dorado, AR. via American Idol

Scotty McCreery and Keith Urban perform on the CMA Country Christmas special, tonight on ABC 9/8c pm. Jennifer Nettles hosts.

Kris Allen performs an online StageIt show tonight at 8 pm ET. Buy your ticket HERE.

Skylar Laine home for ‘Country Christmas’ in Brandon – “American Idol” finalist and Brandon singer Skylar Laine will close out a whirlwind year with a Friday night concert in her hometown, joined by friends for an encore performance of her “Country Christmas” show. The upcoming 2013 could be best described as a year of options, choices and forks in the road for the young country singer, who’ll turn 19 Feb. 1. Her holidays have been well-seasoned by events and appearances, including flipping the holiday lights at Graceland and national anthems at the Egg Bowl and, this past Sunday, a Saints game. A pair of Dec. 1 shows at Jackson Academy Performing Arts Center were her first big concerts by herself. – Read more at Clarion Ledger

Pizarro: ‘American Idol’ finalist to perform at CreaTiVe Awards in San Jose – Expect a few new faces at this year’s CreaTiVe Awards, which will honor the best in local video productions at a red carpet gala on Jan. 5. The big name is “American Idol” finalist DeAndre Brackensick, who’ll be presenting an award and performing at the gala. Another presenter is Doug Stanley, the Emmy award winning executive producer of “The Deadliest Catch.” Darla Anderson, a Pixar producer, won’t be able to attend but is sending along a video message. Tickets to the CreaTiVe Awards Gala at the California Theatre are available online at www.creatvsj.org. Tickets are $20 for students, $50 for finalists, $75 general admission and $100 for VIP admission, which includes a special reception. – Read more at Mercury News.com

Blake Shelton Convinced Kelly Clarkson’s Fiancé to Pop the Question – The music scene is all smiles since its adorable Kelly Clarkson announced her newest accessory this week: an engagement ring! But it turns out the commitment came with a little arm-twisting of her husband-to-be, Brandon Blackstock. Blake Shelton, who is managed by Mr. Blackstock, tells Hollyscoop exclusively that he urged Brandon to pop the question to Kelly. “I told Brandon, man you need to grow up and you figure out that you need to marry this girl,” says Shelton. Not only that, but Shelton also threw in a sweet incentive for the couple: Playing at the wedding! – Read more at Hollyscoop

Andrew Garcia covers “Little Things” by One Direction

The Season 9 American Idol alum covers the 1D hit.

How to make Jennifer Hudson’s Mom’s Pound Cake

Jennifer almost gets a face full of flour!

Mandisa: A Singer Waits For Signs That ‘It’s Christmas’ – ” ‘Little Drummer Boy’ is often a very somber song. I think the meaning gets lost,” Mandisa tells NPR’s Steve Inskeep. “The fact of the matter is that we all have gifts and talents, and God wants us to use those to really just worship him. And for this little boy … he couldn’t sing, he probably wasn’t a great preacher, but he could play the mess out of some drums.” – Read more at WBAA

Covington’s Bo Bice talks about his new gig on Broadway while gift wrapping – He said he didn’t ask for the Broadway gig. It came to him. He had no thought about theater, having never done it before. But he’s game to try. And he said he got a classy congrats from fellow season four rocker Constantine Maroulis, who was nominated for a Tony for his role in “Rock of Ages.” He will start rehearsals in January and will start in March. He also has a gospel album coming out.

Read more at AJC.com

The Voice’s Adam Levine Threatens Blake Shelton: “It’s On in Season 4!” – When Blake teases that “he’s already dreading season four,” Adam issues quite the threat! “Your ass is f–king grass. It’s f–king on,” he promises. “It’s a bloodbath next season. I’m talking your tall country ass down!” Of course, their fight ends in laughs and with Blake confessing he didn’t hear anything his fellow coach said as he was too distracted by his bowtie! – Read more at EOnline

Tate Stevens and Mentor L.A. Reid: ‘Country Music is Ready for an ‘X Factor’ Champ’ – “What I’ve noticed is the more country the songs are, the more confident Tate is,” said Reid. “Because I didn’t have a background in country music, I always made decisions that were a little more pop-leaning for him — and I may have gotten him in trouble early on, but once I started to understand that the more country, the better, we sort of hit our stride. I’m really proud of him.” – Read more at Hollywood Reporter

‘X Factor’s’ Simon Cowell on Fifth Harmony: ‘They Remind Me of One Direction’ – “To perform as they did tonight, it’s incredible. They looked like proper pop stars. … I don’t think we could have done any more.” Now the question remains: will it be a squeaker or a slam-dunk? And if they don’t win, would that be so bad? Look at One Direction. “I think there’s a gap in the market for a girl group like his,” added Cowell. “They remind me of One direction in terms of their personalities, they’re fun to work with, hard-working, opinionated — that’s what you want in a group.” – Read more at Hollywood Reporter

Backstage at X Factor: L.A. Reid “Regretting” His Decision to Leave – “[I] came into this knowing that it wasn’t gonna become my life,” continued L.A., who insisted he and Simon Cowell would continue to work together behind the scenes. “Simon and I are really good friends, and he knew at some point I needed to get back to work.” What will he miss the most about the X gig? “The talent,” he said without hesitation. “Watching people come in an unknown and walking away famous, [and] some of them walking away real stars—that’s the greatest feeling in the world.” – Read more at EOnline

Simon Cowell Calls Sandy Hook Tribute the Hardest Thing He’s Done on TV – It takes a lot to bring out Simon Cowell’s softer side. But the normally acerbic X Factor judge choked up Wednesday night as he introduced the show’s emotional tribute to the Sandy Hook shooting victims – in what he later said was an extremely difficult moment for him. “I would say it was the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do on TV in my life,” Cowell, 53, said after the show, in which Carly Rose Sonenclar, Tate Stevens and Fifth Harmony made their final performances of the season. – Read more at People.com

  • dd999

    Country Christmas with Scotty on ABC tonite..will be taping that for sure!!
    On another note, its very disappointing that Skylar’s management didn’t find her a record deal. I think, with special attention and guidance in what Skylar sings and how she sings it, with her unique powerhouse voice, I was so looking forward to her first single! Skylar from the article is very mature and very sensible when it comes to her future and where she’s at. Certainly wish her all the best!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    Looking forward to Kris’ Christmas Stageit show. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    About Bo Bice:  I read somewhere that Broadway producers, esp. road shows, love the IDOL alumni because of their work ethic.  That’s why you see a lot of Idols in Bwy plays.  MJ, you may not know this, but Syesha is starring in the Book of Mormon in Chicago.

  • artemis112

    Lee DeWyze has a stageit show Dec. 22 to raise funds for cancer research through Demand Cures Today. You can buy tickets here:

    http://www.stageit.com/lee_dewyze/lee_dewyze_charity_event_demand_cures_today_the_gateway_for_cancer_research_/16586

    MJ-I hope it’s OK to post that stageit link here. If not, could you post one?

  • ANNIEBA

    Woot! Trespassing made People mag’s Top Ten list! The first AI to do so!

     http://twitpic.com/bnjhfc

    Trespassing also made Billboards Reader’s Poll with Favorite #1’s at #3! I seem to have lost my link on this one though.

    Good job Adam, it is a great album!

  • toother

    Hope Scotty’s two songs are showing on the TV CMA CHRISTMAS performance tonight. Canadian Country Music Christmas show is also on tonight. With Lady A and Band Perry performing with some good Canadian artists.It starts at 8pm and Scotty and other’s is on 9-11pm. Good night for Country music fans. Love me some SM music. 

  • ANNIEBA

    Maybe I am late but Trespassing was also #1 on Rolling Stone’s readers poll!

     http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/readers-poll-the-best-albums-of-2012-20121212/adam-lambert-trespassing-0814349

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Not sure why we need Lady A and the Band Perry. Or why they are getting top billing. I won’t be watching for them. Nothing against them, but I can see them all the time on the US shows, and we have so much Cdn talent that rarely gets a chance to be seen.

  • snow_ghost

    This is why I think Adam will be ok for a third album despite the low sales in the US.   There is a great deal of industry respect for his talent.   I do think he needs to diversify and the Diva hosting job was a good start.  And the Queen gigs were golden.    He does needs TV to reach an audience because radio hasn’t been that supportive for this second album.    Who knows, he may get more radio support on his third album.    Either way, despite the sales numbers, I think Tresspassing can be considered a success in regards to Adam gaining industry respect.    He still manages to get his name out there, so good for him.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2GSMAIVVJS4KFW5L3XHBUO46DA LUCIE

    Didn’t realize the Canadian Country Music Christmas show was tonight. Dagum, will really need to manage that remote well tonight.

    And , of course there is also the XFactor finale going on at the same time.

    Regardless, CMA Christmas and Scotty is my #1 priority.   

  • ptebwwong

    The Soup w/Joel McHale did a bit where reality stars sing “We Ruined the World.” It has AI alum Sanjaya.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wWRgvC2l9Tc

  • bestmusic

     
    It is called spamming a poll.
     
    Well, he does know a thing or two about popularity contests. By the looks of it, former American Idol winner Adam Lambert organized his fans to stuff the ballot box to make Trespassing the top vote-getter in our Readers’ Poll.
    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/readers-poll-the-best-albums-of-2012-20121212/adam-lambert-trespassing-0814349#ixzz2FcerkuGT
    Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

  • breakdown

    Poor taste, imo, for Blake to take credit for Kelly’s engagement.

  • snow_ghost

    Well, I don’t know if Adam organized anything.   Were there tweets by Adam asking for fans to vote for him?  I’m sure this was done by his fan groups.   Which begs the question,  don’t most celebrities have fan clubs that vote for them?  So why is it such a big deal if he wins a poll?   I’m not sure why Adam’s fan groups are singled out for being more OTT than any other celebrity fan groups. If his group was so powerful, wouldn’t he have won AI? 

    Rolling Stone gave his album 4 stars.   As I recall, the album was well received by many critics.  So it should be expected that Tresspassing would be listed among the well crafted albums of 2012. 

    Well at least the People ranking was done by the writer so there won’t be any doubt about the validity of that one.

  • YankeeFan08

    I never heard of any organized fan voting. I don’t remember seeing any tweets from Adam encouraging fans to vote for him. Personally, I didn’t even know about this poll. Even if there was “spamming”, it’s not like it’s never been done before. Bieber’s fans spam polls too.  So do Gaga’s.  So do Taylor’s.  So do One Direction’s.  IMO it’s great that Adam is included in these polls.  It makes me happy to see him included with the “big” names.

  • bscfan

    Adam Lambert definitely did not organize the fan voting on that Rolling Stone poll. He never said one word about it. Rolling Stone doesn’t seem to understand how fan groups work. 

  • jpfan2

    I think Adam is too smart to ask fans to spam a poll. In the end all the OTT fans did was turn this into an “ouch” moment for him. Is the RS comment in the print version?  Hopefully not!

  • HermeticallySealed

     I have to wonder about someone who puts up a fan voted poll, with unlimited votes, then acts amazed when fans vote.  How long has Rolling Stones been in the business?

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    What cracked me up with the Rolling Stone poll was that as I was looking around a couple of fansites after the results were announced, the main reaction I saw was “I never even knew about that poll.” Some folks who are far more active on Twitter than I were mystified about it.  And, as you and others stated, Adam did not say one word about it, either on Twitter or during an interview.

    If the magazine didn’t want the poll spammed, it should have done what some other polls do and limit the voting in some fashion.  It doesn’t end the problem, but it makes spamming a helluva lot more inconvenient.  It didn’t do so, clearly in an attempt to get hits.  Given that RS’s own reviewer gave the album 4 stars, its snarky reporting of the poll results was really beneath contempt.  I can only surmise RS’s problem wasn’t with the quality of the album that won, but rather with its sales.  That doesn’t speak well about the integrity of RS.

  • snow_ghost

    But it shouldn’t be an ouch moment for him.  I think it makes RS look bad not Adam.    I know many posters here do not like Adam and therefore this snark by RS is a nice early Christmas present for them.  LOL. 

    Rolling Stone could acknowledge this was fan driven and say something like “We had a lot of passionate fan groups out there voting, but Adam Lambert’s fans came out on top.”    The snarkiness seems to be mean spirited and made by someone who personally doesn’t like Adam. 

  • jpfan2

    Spamming polls just turns everything into a joke.   I’m surprised fans didn’t vote one of Adam’s singles as #1 song of the year. Some sign of sanity or just an oversight. ;0

    Oh well. Hopefully not too many people really check out the RS online poll. I don’t agree that it makes RS look bad. All legit media outlets hate to be spammed.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    I wonder how Adam organized his fans? Does he calls for a meeting or an assembly on his basement?lol

    He didn’t tweet or twitvid or keek it. So, I don’t know how he organized it. Not that he has time these past couple of months with all his international gigs:)

  • HermeticallySealed

     And yet ALL music acts have bsc fans who spam. So if someone else won, would it still be considered an “ouch” moment? 

  • jpfan2

    I’d go “ouch” if P2’s album won that poll. But thankfully (for him) he doesn’t seem to have fans who care about this stuff. Home didn’t even make the fan voted 25 top songs of the year list. And it actually is ONE  of the top songs of 2012! Ditto for Kelly Clarkson. I guess her fans don’t bother with this stuff either.

  • snow_ghost

    I don’t know.   IF P2 got on the poll his fans would be thrilled, especially if there was no snarkiness.  And why not?   It would mean that P2 has passionate fans.
     
    By the way, did RS review P2’s album yet?  I don’t follow his career, but it seems like he is doing very well.   I”m sure he will end up winning some polls sooner or later if his album is well received. 
     
     
    Also, I don’t recall Adam’s first album winning in this same poll, but I could be wrong.  I don’t vote in polls but do like to comment on the outcomes!  Ha Ha.

  • mmb

    How is the RS thing an “ouch” moment for Adam????  Regardless of the poll, RS gave Trespassing an excellent 4 star review and did two profiles of him this past year.  I’m guessing he (and most of his fans) care a lot more about that than either this poll or or the snarky comment (which, in fact, notes that RS gave it a 4 star review)…

  • jpfan2

    P2 is a very atypical Idol winner. He doesn’t seem to have that passionate fan base that Idol creates.

    Anyway trying to get Idol fans not to vote on Internet polls is hopeless. They can’t stop voting no matter what!

  • mmb

    RS did review P2s album.  2 1/2 stars.  Called him “redundant”.  Not a great review.  But at least they reviewed it and are paying some attention to him, which is more than RS does with most Idol alums.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Yes, because Directioners, Little Monsters and Beliebers are known for their lack of passion. ;) I think it safe to say that rabid fans exist in sufficient numbers outside of Idol as well. It’s the nature of fans.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Why do you think Clay Aiken could still sell tickets(though it’s not like what he used to, but still a decent size of 1500) even 11 years after his season? Oh yeah, a Passionate fanbase. Well, unless PP can be another Kelly Clarkson… he better hope to have passionate fans for him to last long.

    But on the other hand, he is one hell of a lucky guy. So, his luck may continue… and I hope it does.

  • HermeticallySealed

     Passionate fans are well and good, but only if there is sufficient numbers to support the artist in any meaningful way. It’s still much better to have more casual fans than hardcore, as even hardcore fans are the minority of any fanbase.

  • irockhard

    I wouldn’t say P2’s fanbase isn’t passionate, his album sales demonstrate otherwise actually, they’re just not very vocal online, they’re the silent type.

  • loveroftalent

    That’s awesome about Trespassing making the People’s Top Ten.  It’s a great album.  I’m sure Adam is very proud of his album as he should be. 

  • HermeticallySealed

    David Hernandez and Jaime Cepero (Smash) are performing in the Broadway Sessions Holiday Show tonight at the Laurie Beechman Theater.

    http://cabaret.broadwayworld.com/article/Broadway-Sessions-Hosts-Annual-All-Star-Holiday-Concert-1220-20121217

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Yeah, you’re right. But who makes it big nowadays are the ones with Crazy fan base(Gaga, Bieber, Nikki Minaj) and you’re lucky if you’ll be given a good song to have a casual fans(PP). See Carly Rae Jepsen. Her song was huge but she didn’t have that passionate fanbase like her pal Bieber so her album didn’t quiet sell well. Having casual fans are great, don’t get me wrong I love Adam to have it. But they come and go… forget about you if your next single doesn’t connect or being played on radio. So, I don’t know… I still think it’s better to have a passionate fanbase who would support you through and through:)

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”I don’t agree that it makes RS look bad.”

    Yeah, it doesn’t. It just makes the writer sounded kind of Douchey:)

    ”All legit media outlets hate to be spammed.”

    LOL really?! Uh, there is one common goal with Legit and Not legit media outlets = HITS. So yeah, they know EXACTLY what they were getting into.lol

  • Chicagolaw

    Really don’t see the issue. RS gave Trespassing a great review and covered Adam quite a bit this past year.  The RS Reader’s Poll has been around a LONG time.  I never vote in the online polls, but I might have for this one—but it completely slipped my mind. Neither Adam nor his publicist tweeted about it.

    Also happy to see Trespassing make People’s top 10

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Music’s most underrated acts of 2012

    ”Lambert’s ‘Trespassing’ album fared much better overall compared to his
    2009 debut, though truth be told, it deserved far more success that it
    achieved in the UK.”

    http://www.reveal.co.uk/music/i413210-9/underrated-singers-of-2012-adam-lambert.html

  • heartly

    I don’t think he’s taking credit for it even though the comment might sound like he is and sites are regurgitating it as such.  He knows both Kelly and Brandon very well and could see what they’ve done for each other and probably just had some talks with him over it.  I think Kelly made it clear that she was in it deep when she sold her Texas ranch to move to Nashville 100% to be with Brandon and then they in turn bought a pretty substantial house together a few months ago.  I think the best part is Blake’s quote at the end of that Hollyscoop piece, “I’m so glad he did,” says Shelton. “He is one hardheaded dude and she is the best thing to happen to him.”

    The jeweler released a press release last night congratulating the two of them and gave a few more details about the ring.

    Johnathon Arndt is honored to have designed with Brandon the Flawless Clarity, Radiant Cut Canary Yellow Diamond Engagement Ring and wishes the couple an “Eternity of Love”

    Johnathon and Brandon spent months to create the “Perfect Ring” for Kelly, the design was inspired from Kelly’s passion for Canary Yellow Diamonds.

    Every detail of the ring was carefully planned, designed and then implemented into the handcrafted engagement ring. An exquisite ring valued at a half million dollars.

    Holy crap, I’d be terrified to wear that ring anywhere.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Eh, it was a fan-voted poll. All the other artists had fans and had a chance to win. There are big awards shows centered around fan votes. Scotty won an award in the last year at one of these types of awards shows. This is nothing new, especially for American Idol contestants. These tyes of fan-voted contests have been won by Idols for over a decade. Why is it a big deal now?

  • MellyPer1692

    Lol “American Idol Winner.”

    Rolling Stone gave Adams album 4 stars when it was released, remember Zeus in a Thong??? Lolol.

    I’m thrilled he made People’s Top 10 best album list, I always check out that issue to get ideas about books, music and DVDs I want to buy.

    Love the Digital Spy article too. It’s been a plethora of riches for Adam fans, with Divas, International concerts and tv appearances and interviews! I imagine it will slow down soon….maybe lol.

  • MellyPer1692

    Wow, Stage It shows have become staples with some idols these days.

    ETA: it’s pretty cool for fans and for the artist pretty inexpensive to put on I’d imagine.

  • ANNIEBA

    RS also had Trespassing on its Mid Year Report on July 9th as one of the best albums of 2012. Maybe this comment or forgot about that. And this was not fan voted, it is their report. I guess the commenter forgot that, lol.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/mid-year-report-the-best-albums-of-2012-so-far-20120709/adam-lambert-trespassing-19691231

    Makes the dismissive tone even more ridiculous. Maybe, just maybe the album is just good as their own magazine reported, but whatever. Happy for the People Mag Top Ten, Yay!

  • ANNIEBA

    Adam won a fan voted poll, where’s the ouch? All the other fan bases had the same chance. This one commenter is probably just butt hurt that just maybe some RS readers are also Adam Lambert fans. Guess this is just too uncool for him to accept, haha.

  • ANNIEBA

    Add another Best Of for Trespassing. Popledge in the UK picked it as best Rock/Funk album of 2012!
    http://popledge.co.uk/2012/12/17/top-albums-draft-2012/

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    AI, 19, and or RCA had tweeted about voting for Adam in that RS poll and a lot of people retweeted it. I know I saw it on my feed and I don’t follow him or his fans.

    I voted for Bruce.

  • Axxxel

    “Passionate fans are well and good, but only if there is sufficient numbers to support the artist in any meaningful way.”

    Absolutely… It would be great if the passionate fan happens to be an influential producer, (musical) director etc.

    At first I did not understand how Adam Lambert could possibly be in VH1 Divas show… Then I saw that Ricky Minor (who used to be on American Idol in e.g. Adam’s season) is responsible for the band on the show….Speaking of coincidences… 

  • Axxxel

    Slow down ? maybe after March 2013 after he finished his non-tour in Eastern Europe and Asia.

  • YankeeFan08

    That’s cool that they tweeted about voting for Adam.  After all, they could have tweeted about voting for another artist, but they tweeted about him … nice!

  • MellyPer1692

    I just went through the twitters for 19, American Idol, RCA Records, RCA Promo and Sony Global for the last 60 days and there are no tweets re: Adam and the RS Poll.

    I follow those twitters and I never even knew about the voting until it was over.

    If they did tho and I missed it, I’m glad he has their support!!!

  • seldomused

    I think it is wonderful that Adam’s latest album Trespassing is making all these year-end lists!  Fan-voted or otherwise…. 

    Good for Adam (and his fans)…  Always nice to keep your name, picture and current album in the limelight. 

    I don’t have twitter so wasn’t aware of this poll but ain’t it great that enough of Adam’s fans made the time to vote? 
    If RCA was tweeting people about the RS poll, well nice to have your label behind you!! 
    Like others have said MOST performers have fans: some vote – some don’t. 

  • tigervixxxen

    P2 has a fanbase. Its almost 2013 and many fans do not need to hang out on a message board. It’s like saying P2’s fans are not active on MySpace. Then again when you are getting over 100 mil audience impressions a week from radio alone is no wonder where sales are coming from.

    I came here to see if anyone was discussing Jessica’s concert in the Phillipines with Colton. Surely I’m not the first to see that news.

  • http://twitter.com/fulvaleona margery

    Did anyone else see that Trespassing made the yearend Billboard 200 for 2012? Came in at 188. Based on the same criteria of each weekly 200 chart. Great news!

  • Axxxel

    Adam as Zeus in a thong and who was the American Idol winner…. LOL Maybe in an alternative universe  of that Rolling Stones commenter’s mind !!  I guess he is just annoyed that some
    “not so good selling album in the US” that was hardly played on the radio, made the top of the bill…

  • girlygirltoo

    I just hope that the fans who vote in these online polls support their favorite artist by buying their music and/or by going to their shows. The fan polls are nice, but don’t really mean that much in the end, especially if that is the only way they are supporting the artist.

  • girlygirltoo

    My  comment on the RS article is that they need to get better fact checkers (or any fact checkers). They covered Idol S8 and they should know that Adam is not a “former American Idol winner”. I personally find it disrespectful to Kris that they didn’t bother to do any fact checking before posting their article.

    This has nothing with the actual poll, BTW. I think it’s great that Adam’s album is getting so much end of the year recognition. It is a very good album, and is well deserving of this notice. But that doesn’t erase the fact that the RS post (which was rather mean spirited about Adam’s fans) was factually incorrect.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Yep.  Seems to me if having passionate fans who vote and do other, ah, interesting stuff to keep their snowflakes name out there was a real indicator of success, longevity, or quality of material released, some alum like Clay Aiken, Taylor Hicks, David Cook, David Archuleta and Adam would be right up there with the Beiber’s and the Gaga’s – or even the Clarkson’s and Underwood’s. Who has been fiercer or more vocal and active online than Claymates?  Soul Patrol? Cookies? Archies? Glamberts? All these fanbases at one time or another were HUGE, very vocal, very committed and dedicated to doing just about anything to further their snowflakes cause – in lieu of professionals being paid to do just that. Seems as if a lot of that ‘effort’ has come to naught – IMO.  Hmmmph, give me the ‘silent but deadly, speak softly but carry a big stick’ Kelly and Carrie type fans… you never hear about them acting a fool on Idol boards, or engaging in any stupid pissing contestants some of the more ‘sound and fury but signifyin’ nuthin’  fangroups sometimes engage in… Wash, rinse, repeat – different Idol snowflakes, same old same old fanbase BS :) 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    ”I just hope that the fans who vote in these online polls support their favorite artist by buying their music and/or by going to their shows. The fan polls are nice, but don’t really mean that much in the end, especially if that is the only way they are supporting the artist.”

    Cosign!

  • TheOther

    Phillip Phillips is making the biggest impact where it matters most – getting people to buy his single and his CD. 

  • Ratna12

    Kris just sang a new song about Newtown, sooo beautiful. Tears. #StageItShow

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    If you’re talking about the fans who vote enough to “spam” a poll, I somehow doubt that’s all they’re doing to support their favorite artist.  If they’re dedicated enough to spend significant amounts of time on the mind-numbingly boring task of power voting, I’m sure they’re also buying their music and/or going to their concerts – but they can’t do it hundreds or thousands of times, like they can in an online poll.

  • seldomused

    Who has been fiercer or more vocal and active online than Claymates? Soul Patrol? Cookies? Archies? Glamberts?

    Let’s see:
    > Claymates: last I heard Clay is still making a living in music, playing some small concerts, etc.
    > Soul Patrol: isn’t Taylor doing quite well playing in Las Vegas?
    > Cookies: the jury is out on David, since he just relocated to Nashville, but he just did a private gig at a very large wedding and he played a concert in one of the Asian countries (sorry don’t recall which one).
    > Archie:  well he is away for a couple years doing a Mormon mission.

    > Glamberts: Adam just did Divas and has several concerts lined up.

    Are they superstars?  Nope, but they are making a living doing pretty much what they love and probably making a lot more money than most of us.  How many people can say that?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    … ”getting people to buy his single and his CD.” 

    o/

    All the voting, spamming, defending, calling editors and writers and reviewers idiots or questioning their intelligence or credentials, organizing gifting campaigns don’t mean SQUAT if you can’t get people to buy your music. Those who convince people somewhere to buy their music in mass quantity – shitty as some of it may be – tend to be the ones who have the kind of ‘success’ those engaging in these harebrained activities crave for their snowflakes.  These harebrained activities don’t IMO create the kind of demand to sway PD’s or stations or corporations to play your music, don’t convince bookers or agents that you’re in ‘demand’ enough to get you on their shows, in front of audiences to give you the kind of exposure needed to advance a career.  And IMO they sure as hell don’t convince a casual fan or non fan to become a fan.

    Speaking just for me, In xx years of being a diehard hardcore music fan, I have never been convinced or persuaded to become a fan of an artist by the actions or concerted efforts of fanbases… I either like (d) what I hear (d) from the artist, on the radio, or catching a performance on TV, or I didn’t… comes down to the music, man, the music. Or something else compelling about you that tied in with me liking your music that trips that trigger. Around Idolville, it’s the same old same old fanbase shenanigans year, after year, after year. It’s as entertaining as the show. :) 

  • ANNIEBA

     Oh it’s doing Adam plenty of good. Passionate fans are largely responsible for getting Adam on The Voice China and all these great gigs in Asia next year. Supposedly the passionate fan groups worked very closely with TPTB to get him some of these gigs and this has resulted in even more concerts for Adam in that part of the world. So hats off to the Glamberts all around the world. I had no idea Adam was popular in Vietnam and Korea, I am kind of amazed.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Why do fans participate in meaningless fan polls. I cringe every time. I feel the same about all those award shows that are fan driven. They do nothing for the artist. Doesn’t Adam Lambert get enough critical reviews from what matters, his peers and the music industry without the help of his fans.

    Phillips Home is doing very well. I was almost sure he would get a Grammy nomination but from what I’ve read the music industry thought the song was a Mumford and Son 2.0. I hope Gone,Gone,Gone becomes another hit so he doesn’t get labeled as unoriginal. We haven’t had an recent Idol get a Grammy Nomination since Lambert. Too bad.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     That wasn’t my point – them making a living doing what they love… That just seems to be the default cop out when all that spamming and gifting and commenting to convince anyone who may not see one’s snowflake in the same grand fashion as the overinvested fan doesn’t pan out. Those  wash/rinse/repeat year in and out actions their big, overinvested, loud, vocal fanbases engage in to help? keep them visible, convince people they’re in demand and really popular! by spamming polls, request lines on radio stations, participating in gifting campaigns, etc. – whatever it takes to keep the snowflakes name out there and convince other people that my snowflake is da BOMB! are you all are missing out and just ignorant if you can’t see that my snowflake is da BOMB, lol … IMO, those actions just seem to either amuse or piss people off … it is a free country, people can do what they want to do, so it’s no skin off my nose – I just look at these activities over the years from Idol fans as another form of entertainment!

  • MellyPer1692

    You’ve obviously never heard of the Kelly Clarkson Express lol.

  • MellyPer1692

    I agree about P2s fan base not being on Idol message boards. Lets face it, blogs and message boards don’t have near the traffic they used to, thus the need to expand the scope to scripted shows and non talent related competition. There’s a lot of P2 activity on twitter, that’s where a lot of fandom happens now.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     I don’t think the mainstream media purposely disrespects Kris I just don’t think they remember him. They barely remember who won last year. You ask the average person on the street they couldn’t name you any winner other than Kelly and Carrie.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Every Idol winner other than Lee has made an impact where it matters with people buying their single and first CD. That’s not a new thing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    No, I haven’t… never heard or seen anything about her fans that would make/have made her mockable vis a vis their actions to help keep her name out there, lol…  I’m sure her fans have been engaged in some mighty shade contests and epic trash talking with other bases over the course of her 10 year career – comes with the territory… seems they’ve managed to avoid the notoriety some other Idol related bases have earned due to the way they choose/have chosen to show their support… she consistently keeps putting out material that fans old and new evidently like and keep buying , and radio stations want to keep playing – while still being in real demand with bookers and agents to get hi profile gigs and appearances and concert tours and opportunities to keep promoting herself to wider audiences… I doubt it is the poll spamming and gifting campaigns and radio request spamming and the insults directed at reviewers and columnists who beg to differ with their view of her that keeps her name out there, or keeps her on top… must be a combo of the music she puts out, along with a focused, good solid management team behind her doing their job, as she does hers…. JMO.

  • mtlfan2

    i find it unprofessional for media people to not check the facts. They can have the info in 10 seconds on Google ..geez

  • seldomused

    Why does it make people *cringe* if someone else participates in an on-line poll?

    I couldn’t care less if fans do or don’t.  Personally I don’t want to but if someone else finds that rewarding, well okay. 
    Who am I to say it is any more or less a waste of time and energy than, say, writing on blogs or on-line forums?  ;-)

    Before Season 7, I had never watched a single episode of AI and had never heard about any of the participants, except Kelly Clarkson, and that was it.  Seriously.  Oh, and I was vaguely aware of the Clay-Rueben thing. 

    People talk about the old glory days of AI and those “water cooler” moments.  I don’t know where you all work, but I never heard anyone at work discussing American Idol, ever. 
    So many people don’t pay attention to these things, it would probably amaze most of us who do.

    My point is, not many people are aware of or care if *fans* spam a poll, unless you are a fan of an AI alum or of the AI show yourself.  lol

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    I wasn’t talking about fan advocacy in general, just about having Adam place high on these online polls.  I do think the fans in Asia, especially China, are in a better position to actually make a measurable difference for the artists they stan, because the fan culture there is highly evolved, closely tied to the artists’ teams, and incredibly organized.  It would be impossible for fans in the U.S. to do what the Chinese Glamberts were able to accomplish…hence the efforts focused on things like polls, gifting and radio requesting.  The avenues to directly affect the status quo are woefully limited, so fans do what they can.  Often it’s not much.  But as long as they adhere to the fandom version of the Hippocratic Oath (in essence, to do no harm – i.e. don’t insult and harass radio station PDs and DJs, don’t make an ass of oneself in circumstances where it can reflect back on the artist, and so on), I don’t see a problem. 

  • TheOther

    Every Idol winner other than Lee has made an impact where it matters with people buying their single and first CD. That’s not a new thing.

    But it is not the norm that every Idol winner sells Triple Platinum, and Phillip Phillips is on the verge of doing that in the next week or so.  That is much more important than being on some kind of poll.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    IMO You missed a real cultural phenomena those 1st six seasons, cause Idol IMO was EVERYWHERE in American culture the 1st 6 seasons… I worked for a large multinational IT firm then, and in those 1st 6 seasons, all of them, you couldn’t get through any level of meeting, walk down the hall or go in the breakroom without hearing or discussing last night’s ”Idol”… did you see that little nerdy Kevin guy? What do you think about that Bo dude – can he really beat Carrie? Fantasia really sang the snot! out of Summertime!! Oh Man that Blake dude just might take it all! He beatboxes like Doug E Fresh!

    IMO People and the culture were paying attention to Idol in seasons 1-6 – 7 was a good season, but it also marks the beginning of the steady erosion of viewers and the beginning of the WGWG era that has given Idol a label they seem to want to shake… It’s good so many came on board in season 7 and beyond, but for longtime fans since day 1, IMO you don’t have the full flava of what made/makes the most cynical of fan not be able to quit this bitch after all these years, and all the secrets have been revealed, lol… There is youtube :) Anyhoo… I think we still watch, hoping to catch a glimpse of or feel dat old magic feeling again, in the performance of some young guy or girl that has you walking down the hall in search of someone to ask – didja see Idol last night? That so and so dude or girl was awesome!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     I agree 3x platinum is more important than some meaningless poll. I also think Interscope has no problem buying, paying for hit singles for their artists. That is where RCA differs. They are cheap and lazy and rely on their artists name to promote themselves. Oh wait, they did buy Chris Brown’s Grammy.

  • ANNIEBA

    Uh yeah, sounds like fun,but whatever floats your boat. I just enjoy Adam and whatever attention he gets however it happens is good times to me.
    Right now I am thrilled that Trespassing is getting some well deserved respect. And I am so happy that VH1 gave him an opportunity to show even more facets of his many talents.
    I don’t worry or think much about sales, tons of great artists don’t get the attention they deserve and sometimes it just takes time. Looking forward to being entertained by him for a long time to come.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Speaking of VH1, has any ratings data been posted for the Divas show?  I’m interested in the audience numbers it drew on Sunday night – it was a great opportunity to get Adam some exposure in front of millions of people, and it should give us some idea of Lambert’s strength as a ratings draw for future gigs for them and possibly elsewhere if ratings were good…

  • lovetheusa1776

    What is “spamming” a poll? – when one disagrees with the result?

    As RS had open voting, its gratuitously nasty comments were incredibly tacky and without any basis for complaint.

    Wish we could retire the “snowflake” meme and all its permutations.

     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I don’t think it’s doing Adam any harm placing at or near the top of
    some of these polls. It may not do him any good, either, but it
    certainly won’t hurt.

    No, but it is embarrassing. It’s laughable when fans post that their Idol went #1 on a poll voted by fans. Of course they think their snowflake is #1. Didn’t Adam recently tweet thanking all the music bloggers for putting his name on their favorite album lists. I think he thinks those lists matters not some fan voting poll that tend to skew bias. Now that People’s 2012 best list is something his fans can get behind.

  • girlygirltoo

    Maybe it wasn’t on purpose, and I’m sure they probably don’t remember, but my point is that these are (supposed to be) journalists, and the first thing journalists are told to do is to check their facts (I was a journalism major in school and I lost count of how many times my professors told me that). It would literally take them 30 seconds to find out who won S8.  They didn’t even bother, and that is sloppy journalism. Every time I see shoddy reporting like this, it ticks me off, because it just shows the writer and/or editor don’t really care about what it is they’re writing about.

    END OF RANT :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     I don’t think these cable show draw big numbers at one showing. I think they make their money on repeated shows and the accumulated repeated viewers. I also don’t think one host is what draws people to tune in but the overall performances. I know someone who worked on the Diva show and they are already talking about bringing him back but a lot can happen in a year. Based on Vh1 tweets he brought in half the ticket sales so good for him. He did a good job hosting.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    Do you really believe that anyone outside the “Idol Bubble” and/or Adam’s fandom gives a damn, one way or the other, about Adam’s placement on these polls?  Seriously?  Other than possible resentment from overinvested members other fandoms that are just as BSC as the most rabid of the Glamberts, I don’t think they give a damn – certainly not to the extent that anyone needs to be “embarrassed” about it.  His placement on these polls gets his name out there right alongside those of many prominent names in the industry – and so much the better when it’s on a site like Rolling Stone (uncalled-for snark aside) or Billboard.  I’m not going to be embarrassed about that. 

    Most people don’t know, or care, how many albums Adam has sold.  They know what they read, and for the most part, what they read (if they read anything at all) is that Adam is a Grammy-nominated artist whose sophomore album debuted at #1.  Combined with his placement on these polls, it creates a good impression.  Admittedly that’s not a substitute for cold, hard cash, but it ain’t bad.  Better than being portrayed in the media as a failure or a non-entity, that’s for sure.

  • shell29

    In fairness to Adam’s fans, they have shown that they put their money where their mouth is (so to speak) by buying his music and attending his concerts.  Is it any wonder why RCA releases remix EPs-they know that his diehards will buy them up.  That has never been a problem but we know that the “diehards” have never been enough to sustain the sales of an album over the long haul.  That is clearly the case with Trespassing which in spite of the critical acclaaim has been a commercial failure.  That’s the difference between Adam and P2 right now: P2 has a very successful single that’s getting fantastic exposure and airplay and is on its way to triple platinum sales.  It remains to be seen how successful the album will be but it’s off to a good start thanks to Home.  Trespassing has long since plummetted from the Billboard 200 and all three of the singles released from the album have flopped.  It’s not surprising (and fairly obvious) that some of Adam’s fans feel the need to spam his way to the top of these polls (or attempt to gift his EPs to the top of iTunes) in an attempt to get his music noticed.  Nothing else has worked so far.   I don’t think fan spamming is that great regardless of who does it, so I don’t necessarily see it a good thing that they’re just doing what the BSC fans of other more successful recording arts do.  But if it makes some Adam fans feel better that they’re in such ‘illustrious’ company, more power to them I suppose?

    Oh and Kelly & Carrie fans have never been above fanwarring in spite of them being two of the most successful Idol winners.  I’ve seen their fans getting into some of the same pissing contests.

  • snow_ghost

    Yes, and Adam got a Grammy nod for his single “What Do You Want From Me” which was off his debut album. Did P2 get a Grammy nod?   Is there time?  I think he still might if the noms are not closed.

  • lovetheusa1776

    We put in our money, not to “feel better,” but because we believe he has one of the finest voices in music today.  In my personal opinion, there is none better.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I just hope that the fans who vote in these online polls support their favorite artist by buying their music and/or by going to their shows. The fan polls are nice, but don’t really mean that much in the end, especially if that is the only way they are supporting the artist

    I don’t think you are going to have worry about that when it comes to Adam’s fans. lol
    It’s not like the guy is playing to small crowds in bars. Adam is still able to sell 1,000-17,000 tickets for his shows in many places around the world. (These aren’t those $10 tickets either! )

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     Oh and Kelly & Carrie fans have never been above fanwarring in spite
    of them being two of the most successful Idol winners.  I’ve seen their
    fans getting into some of the same pissing contests.

    As much as I like Kelly I had to stop going to some music boards that are dominated by her fans.  They are some of the most vicious, nasty fans. So no,  successful artists fans aren’t above the petty fanwaring. Carrie’s aren’t so bad but the low level Idol fans are no match for them. The Carrie and Taylor Swift fans are entertaining though.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    All fans tend to believe their fave has ‘the finest voice in music today.’  I’d be a rich bitch if I had a penny for each time a fan has posted this sentiment… It’s not a new or original sentiment, but one a fan is most def entitled to. If IMO fans REALLY believed that sentiment, all the same old harebrained tactics they employ it seems from the same playbook to get their fave noticed/ winning meaningless polls/ visibility/airplay/inflated sales etc. would be unnecessary. That’s just my personal opinion.

  • lovetheusa1776

    True.  And very encouraging. 

  • shell29

    If most people outside the “Idol Bubble” don’t care about Adam’s placement in these polls, someone needs to get that message to the BSC contingent of the Glambert nation because they’re obviously wasting their time by spamming them.  They seem to feel that people outside of the “bubble” will care-why else would they resort to that gimmick? 

    They know what they read, and for the most part, what they read (if they read anything at all) is that Adam is a Grammy-nominated artist whose sophomore album debuted at #1. Combined with his presence in high positions on these polls, it creates a good impression. Admittedly that’s not a substitute for cold, hard cash, but it ain’t bad. Better than being portrayed in the media as a failure or a non-entity, that’s for sure.

    That may be true.  However the Idols the “media” seems to consider “failures” or “non-entities” don’t appear to be too worried about what the “media” think of them and are still performing and making music.  It doesn’t seem to be stopping them from making a living in this business even if it’s on a smaller scale and with less fanfare (which is a good thing IMO). 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I don’t think anyone outside the Idol bubble gives a hoot about these polls. I do get annoyed when I see links of one of my favorite artists getting kudos only to find their fan driven polls but that’s just me. I do think these polls matter more outside the US like places like China etc. They look at these things more than the US. It’s a different animal there. It’s a big tool in getting an international artist known in a market that is hard to crack. I think the reason why Adam is getting a lot of opportunities outside of US is because of the fans efforts there and I have read many promoters saying so. But here in the US it’s pretty meaningless. Radio isn’t going to play him anyway until the label is ready to cough up the money to buy his radio hits like every other artist. Those PD’s need to get paid. It’s all about the benjamins.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Unfortunately, the finest performers do not always get radio time.  All you have to do is listen to most of what’s played to realize that. 

    As Lambert’s intimated, there’s a lot more to it than is generally understood.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    As a LEGIT media outlet who hated poll spamming… they should at least checked their facts before printing.

  • snow_ghost

    Adam has been complimented by many in the music industry as having an incredible voice.   That is why he was chosen to front Queen for several gigs. 

    I know many people don’t like him here (I’m not sure why, he’s seems like a likeable guy) but I find it strange that some people can not acknowledge his talent as a vocalist.    I may not like country music, but I can recognize that Carrie is a great singer.   

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Yep, but it’s doubtful poll spamming, radio request line spamming, gifting campaigns, multiple buying, going off on writers and bloggers (questioning their hearing, vision, intelligence, credentials, etc) not in agreement that said fave is the best thing since sliced bread is the best strategy to help get an artist the exposure or promotion needed to really help them… one is free to indulge in the above activities until their arms fall off, or their money runs out – it their right, but it all ultimately, IMO, boils down to producing something the masses want to hear, and on the darker, seedier side of the business you have to be willing to ‘play ball’ with the stations and PD’s H.A. has alluded to in order to really get your music heard… it’s cold, hard cash IMO that ultimately makes or breaks you on radio… not how good you look, how good you can sing or dance, how many ‘fans’ flood the station with requests for your music, your race, gender or sexual preference don’t matter – if the label decides to really ‘support’ you, your songs will get played…  make all the excuses you want, radio is dirty as hell, money is the deciding factor regarding what you hear… I just want to know how the label rats decide who is worthy of their ‘support’, and all that jive…

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Yeah, it’ll be repeatedly shown in several countries outside US for the next month. So the number might be high if we will include these viewers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    I have nothing against him personally – I think he is a talented singer, I give him his due for being talented, but I simply do not agree that he is the finest singer in music today, or that his vocal talents far outpace other current male pop singers… I find other aspects of his career more interesting than his music, to be honest… doesn’t mean I wish him ill, or bad luck, but it also doesn’t mean that he gets a free pass or slavish devotion, lol… I reserve that kind of unabashed adulation for imperfect angels but IMO true vocal powerhouses like Mariah – been riding w/Mimi since 1990 and not ready to stop yet.

  • lovetheusa1776

     Yes, confusion reigns.  Along with logorrhea.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    Better logorrhea than gonorrhea – Latah gators :)

    *wink*

  • snow_ghost

    Well, I would have to say I think his vocals do outpace most current pop singers.   But are there better singers out there?  Sure.  They just aren’t mainstream.   I also think Clay Aiken outpaces most current pop singers.  

    It just seems people really dislike Adam and I just don’t know why.   Whatever success he gets, he gets belittled or begrudged.   Go figure.

  • shell29

    I think RCA has shown a lot of support to Adam.  One could argue that they’ve supported him a lot more that other Idols who used to be on their roster.  I don’t think the failure of his singles this era is due to lack of label support-they just didn’t catch on.  I honestly wouldn’t be suprised if RCA does decide to greenlight a third album for Adam in spite of the disappointing sales of Trespassing.  If not, Adam will be fine at any rate.  He’s very talented and is obviously in demand overseas so he should be able to make a great living touring and doing private events for years to come.  Maybe the Divas gig will lead to other hosting opportunties for him.  He has always been a media darling so I think he can continue to make that work for him.  He is engaging and has a fun personality that can open even more doors for him.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    if the label decides to really ‘support’ you, your songs will get
    played…  make all the excuses you want, radio is dirty as hell, money
    is the deciding factor regarding what you hear… I just want to know
    how the label rats decide who is worthy of their ‘support’, and all that
    jive…

     hillstreetblooz, Yes to everything you said. After so many years removed from Idol the fans should know by now that all these things are wasted efforts. He may never ever get radio play but his job and every Idol job is to continue to build their brand. Get your name out there as much as possible and pickup fans little by little word of mouth and so on. There are many fans out there who find new artists without radio play. Honestly I rather see Idols work the slow and steady pace rather than the zoom to the top reality winner only to be forgotten by next album. Even without a big major label you can still put out an album out there. It may not get the big label promo push but if you have build a word of mouth reputation you can make your money touring and even have those fans buy your albums independent or not. Actually he’s kind of lucky because if he ever loses his label and goes independent the media who clearly loves him will be there to help get his name out there. Free promo and all.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Josh Groban is probably one of the finest singers today.  He has such a gorgeous voice, but he can’t rock like Adam Lambert does.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Truncated your original reply.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”I honestly wouldn’t be suprised if RCA does decide to greenlight a third
    album for Adam in spite of the disappointing sales of Trespassing.”

    If he’s given a chance to have a third album it’s only because he has sold enough. RCA wouldn’t think twice how great you are if you weren’t giving them profit. It’s still business after all. Many here predicted he will be drop by his label before the year ends. But if he’s recording a new album(which Adam hinted in interview) next year, then it only concludes that he has sold enough worldwide to have a third one.

  • HKfan

    Why is it embarrassing? Do you not think if Gagas /Beibers or Brunos fans had won the poll they wouldn’t be tweeting out the news, of course they would. Its what fans do…all fans. Adam doesn’t have a monoply on voting fans. Why would RS have an unlimited fan poll if they didn’t want people to vote. Would they have accused Bruno Mars of fixing the ballot had he won, I doubt it.
    I just don’t get all the angst, Adams album was on the list as were many other artists, the fans of all the groups had an equal oppertunity to vote, I just very much doubt if all the BSC, embarrassing fans talk would be on here had someone else won, like Kelly or Carrie, or P2…

  • HKfan

    Just to show that other idols fans do vote…

    .C. Underwood & #88 ?@Okies4Carrie
    CARRIE FANS – VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, TWEET, RT – Vote for Your Favorite Music Video of 2012! http://shar.es/h4vvT via @sharethis

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    If most people outside the “Idol Bubble” don’t care about Adam’s
    placement in these polls, someone needs to get that message to
    the BSC contingent of the Glambert nation because they’re obviously
    wasting their time by spamming them.  They seem to feel that people
    outside of the “bubble” will care-why else would they resort to that gimmick?

    They probably do think those polls matter and people care.  That doesn’t mean they’re right.  And, frankly, if the BSC contingent wants to spend its time spamming polls, it doesn’t matter to me.  I’d rather they do that than some other, more potentially harmful and/or openly embarrassing, behaviors they unfortunately tend to indulge in.

    That may be true.  However the Idols the “media” seems to consider
    “failures” or “non-entities” don’t appear to be too worried about what
    the “media” think of them and are still performing and making music.

    I would be surprised if they don’t care about how they’re portrayed in the media (or not portrayed in the media) as long as they’re attempting to pursue a show business career.  I would also be surprised if they openly stated their dissatisfaction with their media portrayal.  Why would they go out of their way to point out a negative?  If one went by public statements, nobody is ever disappointed about being dropped from a record label, or about lackluster record or concert sales, and I’m sure that’s not true.  I’d be willing to bet my 401k that Adam is disappointed with how “Trespassing” sold, but when Lyndsey Parker asked him about it, he put as good a face on it as he could and moved on.  That’s Media Spin 101.

  • ANNIEBA

    Holy crap, didn’t think my posting that RS poll would cause all this! I thought, and still do, that is was pretty cool since RS is a pretty well known magazine. And Trespassing has been on many best of lists which are not fan voted including RS’s own mid year report which I posted.
    Trespassing may not have been a huge commercial success in the US, although it did make the BB 200 for the year which surprised me, but it did prove that Adam can make a great album to a lot of people. This is a pretty good stepping stone toward the future, IMO, because it did step up his cred factor. And apparently Trespassing did pretty well in other parts of the world or he wouldn’t have been able to fill all those seats in SA and already have sold out concerts in Asia and Finland to look forward to next year. I also believe he will be adding more concerts in some more European countries and wouldn’t be surprised if he does a couple of small venues in Britain too.
    Adam may part ways with RCA but I doubt he will remain without a label long and it may turn out better for him. Bottom line is Adam is still building his career and the seeds he has sown, with producing some really good material, creating a lot of good will in the media and the industry just being himself, will eventually come to fruition. Like I said, sometimes it takes time.
    Also, I believe he is socially important. He will always be the first openly gay artist to debut at #1. He is an inspiration and role model to many. Don’t know why any type of accomplishment Adam or his fans achieve has to be consistently put down in certain places but I guess that just proves he is important and noteworthy or else why bother?
    Since becoming an Adam fan there has rarely been a period of time where there is nothing to look forward to, concerts, appearances, TV, Queen!, and I don’t see it changing any time soon. Adam is doing great with the cards he has been dealt due to his own determination and downright appealing and charismatic personality. This is going to take him far, IMO, and I am along for the ride.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    Why is it embarrassing? Do you not think if Gagas /Beibers or Brunos
    fans had won the poll they wouldn’t be tweeting out the news, of course
    they would. Its what fans do…all fans. Adam doesn’t have a monoply on
    voting fans. Why would RS have an unlimited fan poll if they didn’t want
    people to vote. Would they have accused Bruno Mars of fixing the ballot
    had he won, I doubt it.

    I suspect the issue is that this era, Adam doesn’t have the sales to back up the high positions in those fan-voted polls, so the contention is that it’s “embarrassing” because it’s seemingly obvious a relatively small number of, shall we say, highly invested fans skewed the vote.  It’s no surprise when someone like Bieber/Taylor Swift/Rihanna/Gaga/whomever wins a fan-voted poll, because they have the sales to back them up.

    My contention is that most people who don’t already have positive or negative opinions about Adam are going to think too much about his poll placements – partially because they don’t care enough about him (and aren’t highly invested enough in another artist to be upset on their behalf) for it to matter, and partially because his media spin is positive enough that poll wins for him might not seem as odd as they appear to those with more familiarity with his sales numbers. In any event, I just don’t see it as a problem.

  • MellyPer1692

    Of course they care about what and how the media portrays them. They want success, don’t they? They want publicity so that if nothing else, they can get larger audiences for concert gigs. I know we always hear “(insert idol name here) doesn’t care about major success, they just want to play music!” Give me a break, you don’t go on the biggest talent show in the world, be away from your family, without wanting big success. If they wanted to play in small bars, they would have stayed off American Idol and just continued with they were already doing since most of them were playing small gigs prior to their auditions.

  • MellyPer1692

    Lol, I’ve seen no negative response from radio station and media twitters about the Rolling Stone poll. The only place Ive seen it is a few idol boards, which isnt surprising lol.

  • MellyPer1692

    “I couldn’t care less if fans do or don’t (vote in polls). Personally I don’t want to but if someone else finds that rewarding, well okay.
    Who am I to say it is any more or less a waste of time and energy than, say, writing on blogs or on-line forums? ;-)”

    LOL, so true!!

  • loveroftalent

    Every single person that goes on any singing competition show wants success, no matter how much they or their fans say they don’t…and when they say that they tried out for the fun of it, i call crap…Everyone wants the same…Be successful and make lots of money…

    I still don’t get why so many non fans of Adam want to knock him down so much…He’s a great guy, just like all your favourites…Whom I would never think to post anything negative about them.

  • MellyPer1692

    Eh, people can post negatively all they want. After all, it’s such a better use of ones time than voting in polls lol.

  • irockhard

    Some Idols choose to work in niche markets that will never get them fame outside their niches or millions of dollars off the bat. Eg: Casey Abrams and James Durbin. Yes they would love to eventually become top names in their markets but if they really wanted Bieber/Gaga type success they would be making the type of music that will get them that type of success.

  • irockhard

    There are other perks to being on a show like Idol aside from instant fame. They also get to network and make invaluable contacts, get to work with people they never would’ve been able to before.

  • ANNIEBA

     Haha, so true! And Adam’s attitude seems to be, keep doing what I am doing, making tons of money touring where he is loved and admired and promote Trespassing where it is appreciated and smooching on his hot boyfriend wherever he feels like it, lol.

  • girlygirltoo

    While this is unfortunately true, Adam is not the only artist who gets belittled and/or hated. It happens to a ton of artists — including pretty much everyone who has ever been on Idol, The Voice or XF.

  • girlygirltoo

    I think that the people who go on Idol, The Voice, XF are interested in being successful. I don’t know if they are all necessarily interested in being super famous. And there is a difference between the two. I also think that many of them may get quickly disillusioned by the whole Idol (or other reality show) machine and discover that they would be happier just making a living as a working musician rather than as someone who has the paps, gossip blogs posting on everything they do or say, and record execs controlling pretty much everything that has to do with their music, image, etc. Not everyone is going to be comfortable in the spotlight, no matter how much they may think they want fame and fortune when they first try out for one of these shows. And obviously not everyone is going to have commercial success, no matter how good their music is (or isn’t).

    I’m sure they would prefer not to be perceived as a “failure” by the media and public if they get dropped from their labels. but I honestly do think a lot of them will be happier, at least in terms of getting to make the music they get to make, away from the major labels and the pressure of having to sell hundreds of thousands of albums and singles just to keep his or her record deal. As long as they can support themselves financially and are happy doing what they’re doing, they’ll be fine (and a lot better off than many many people in this world).

  • Nadine_Bitch

    I don’t think Casey Abrams & Durbin really have a choice other than doing what they’re doing now. They aren’t versatile enough to choose what type of music that would give them huge success. And if they only manage to have little success with their supposed niches, how it’s possible to be even bigger with something they don’t want to do?

  • mjsbigblog

    The tangent this thread went off on illustrates perfectly why I purposely ignore fan-driven polls in my coverage. 

    Sigh.

  • justmefornow

    Just because James favors and WANTS to go the heavy rock/metal route doesn’t mean he isn’t versatile. IMO, he was the MOST versatile singer in his season of Idol. 
    His wanting to go the metal route was the reason for the failing out with Jimmy Iovine. He could have caved and signed with Interscope and made the album Jimmy wanted, maybe sold more debut records, but then what? 
    Be a sell out? Get dropped for maybe not reaching 500k? 
    At least he’s doing what he loves, so live or die by it, he’s recording the music genre he loves.

    Oh and someone who can sing face melting metal, ass kicking rock, tender ballads, and also win a Country Idol singing contest in 2009 is, IMO, pretty versatile, lol.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEXs1GnnzR4

  • irockhard

    I don’t think so. Both Casey and James represented what type of artists they wanted to be post show on the show itself, especially Top 8 week. Their pre Idol work also shows that they both decided a long time ago what makets they always wanted to work in. Casey is Jazz major and every single band James ever fronted pre Idol was either hard rock or metal. James has dabbled in musical theatre and country pre Idol so he can do other stuff, but rock n roll is where his heart is, that’s his true passion and always has been.

  • irockhard

    I’m so glad James didn’t sign with Interscope, he would’ve ended up like Pia: held hostage for a year over creative differences then dumped without even releasing an album.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    The poser said:

    ”Yes they would love to eventually become top names in their markets but
    if they really wanted Bieber/Gaga type success they would be making the
    type of music that will get them that type of success.”

    You think he would have more success doing country or being a crooner or going for a pop route?

    ”IMO, he was the MOST versatile singer in his season of Idol.”

    Actually it was Haley who’s the most versatile of that season. Even Alaina was more versatile than James. But hey, it was just my opinion;)

  • snow_ghost

    I think everyone who goes on Idol wants success, but I do agree that for many, they would rather stick to the genre of music they feel comfortable in than to make an album that doesn’t represent them.  And they might as well.   Commercial success is very hard to come by in the music business so you might as well make the music you enjoy.
     
    It seems to me most Idols are realistic now about what to expect in regards to sales.    There are enough seasons and enough numbers out there to look at.    It’s a crap shoot.   A winner could have Lee Dewyze numbers or P2 numbers.    Is P2’s album really that much better than Lee Dewyze’s album?   Or did P2 just luck out with the Olympics and being able to catch the Mumford and Sons wave?
     
    Either way, so far, Idol winners are better off than XFACTOR and Voice winners.  LOL.

  • irockhard

    You think he would have more success doing country or being a crooner or going for a pop route?

    I don’t because he thoroughly branded himself as a hard rocking metalhead on the show. Once an artist brands themselves they run the risk of not being accepted as anything else if they decide to change direction.

    Actually it was Haley who’s the most versatile of that season. Even
    Alaina was more versatile than James. But hey, it was just my opinion;)

    I make my judgements on entire bodies of work, I include pre Idol and post Idol work not just what they do on the show. Taking everything into consideration James is way more versatile than either of those 2. He can sing mulitple genres, play a few instruments, write songs, dance, act, design graphics and do character impressions and voice overs.

    James was wise to stay in his lane on Idol otherwise he would’ve faced the same dilema Cassadee Pope is now facing:

    She went onto The Voice as a pop rocker who wants to be the next Avril Lavigne; then Blake had her sing country pop songs and those became her highest selling songs on iTunes. Any bets what direction Universal Republic will push her in?

  • Nadine_Bitch

    I never question their music roots before AI because it was really obvious and it’s obvious too that they have chosen the right music path for them. I was just disagreeing when you said

    ”but if they really wanted Bieber/Gaga type success they would be making
    the type of music that will get them that type of success.”

    Even when James signed with universal I doubt Jimmy would let him do a pop album or country. I don’t think it would be more different than his first one with his indie label which isn’t really metal. So I’m just maybe confused to what ”other type of music” you were saying that would give them the type of Gaga/Bieber’s success.

  • justmefornow

    James has always been very clear, focused and vocal on the direction he wanted to go during and after Idol, fully aware it was the less popular, less marketable and/or less financially rewarding direction. 

    As for Lauren and Haley, I’ll give you that Lauren started off more pop/rock, then TPTB pushed her more towards the country direction; clothes and song choices/duets w/Scotty, etc. 
    As for Haley being versatile, IMO, she rode the underdog/basher, Casey elimination help, anti-James voting contingent, more than any versatility, as far as she could. 
    But that’s JMO.

  • irockhard

    Even the non winners of Idol are far better off than the winners of TV and XFUS.

  • irockhard

    Even when James signed with universal I doubt Jimmy would let him do a pop album or country. I don’t think it would be more different than his first one with his indie label which isn’t really metal. So I’m just maybe confused to what ”other type of music” you were saying that would give them the type of Gaga/Bieber’s success.

    But would James have been marketed to metal crowd? Would he have gotten to tour with hard rock and metal acts? Would he have gotten the opportunities to perform at rock/metal festivals?

    Interestingly one of the 65 acts that Interscope dropped recently (along with Haley) was the Hispanic teen metal band Black Tide from Miami. They performed at Rock on the Range this year like James did (though James got to play on a bigger stage), and I have their last album with Interscope.

    Blink 182 recently parted with Interscope too, they’re not hard rock/metal themselves but this is what they have to say about the label:

    …what [Interscope does] best and what they know how to do at this moment is more like hip-hop and R&B and pop music. There are a lot of labels that are doing really well with rock bands and they’re just not one of them. I just don’t think the partnership made any sense.

    http://www.billboard.com/news/blink-182-laughing-again-after-shaky-reunion-1008050852.story#/news/blink-182-laughing-again-after-shaky-reunion-1008050852.story

    Anyway era #1 is over and it went well, even though I didn’t like Wind-up’s choice of LMB as a single and pushing James to HAC. Now James and his band are writing almost everything. He also parted ways with Red Light and signed with a new bookings agent that specializes in booking gigs for hard rock/metal acts so all indications are he’s going further into that genre and the next album will be heavier.

  • justmefornow

    I didn’t know about the Red Light split. Very interesting. I agree, a sign about direction.
    Let me add one more thing;  I doubt James would have even been able to pick his band with Interscope. No way metal heads Blake and Jeff would be there right now writing and creating a band sound with James.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Maybe you missed when I said both Abrams and Durbin are on the right track(his band, label, etc). That they are good with what they are doing.

    But NO other genres than what they are embracing now could give them the gaga/bieber’s success whether they are signed with Interscope or not.

  • Montavilla

    I don’t think so. Both Casey and James represented what type of artists they wanted to be post show on the show itself, especially Top 8 week. Their pre Idol work also shows that they both decided a long time ago what markets they always wanted to work in. Casey is a Jazz major and every single band James ever fronted pre Idol was either hard rock or metal.

    I thought Casey’s major problem (on the show) was that he wasn’t sticking to his jazz lane.  Instead, he kind of went for a Jack Black style (scary-faced rock) and got stalker-vibe comments.

    When he played the upright bass and sang jazz, he was pleasing.  When he sang jazz with Haley, he was great.  When he tried to rock, he was voted out. (Although he was also voted out for a jazzy number later on.)

  • irockhard

    Red Light recently changed their website, now you have to log in to see their roster. But I distinctly remember not seeing his name on their roster the last time I visited that site before they changed it, that was around June/July I think.

    Now he’s with these people: http://www.tkoco.com/artist-roster.html

    Recognize any names?

  • justmefornow

    Very nice :)
    How does 19M fit into this, though?

  • irockhard

    They just manage James. They appear to be responsible for other types of appearances while TKO handles the gigs. I’m still learning about how all this works, maybe someone here more knowledgeable can explain the difference.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    James has always been very clear, focused and vocal on the direction he wanted to go during and after Idol, fully aware it was the less popular, less marketable and/or less financially rewarding direction.

    Not really. James was going to “bring metal back” and “make the radio stations play metal” by bringing it back to mainstream radio. His single and his album weren’t metal and he definitely didn’t “bring metal back”. Is his next album going to be metal rock? From the sound of things, his next era will be even further away from that than this one was. As in everything, it could change, but he has changed his direction and talking points on several occasions.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Yes they would love to eventually become top names in their markets but if they really wanted Bieber/Gaga type success they would be making the type of music that will get them that type of success.

    Pop music? In Bieber’s case, pop music with rap collabs that appeal to the tween crowd? There is no way Casey or James would ever appeal to these markets, especially with the Bieber crowd. They don’t have the look needed to even get their little toe in that door. They aren’t making this kind of music because it doesn’t interest them and it doesn’t suit them and they do not appeal to this market.

     

  • irockhard

    From the sound of things, his next era will be even further away from that than this one was.

    What do you mean by that? Further away from metal than MOABD was? No, not according that the latest he’s said on the subject and the people he’s working with. And again his new bookings agent indicates otherwise.

  • sabbia

    I make my judgements on entire bodies of work, I include pre Idol and post Idol work not just what they do on the show. Taking everything into consideration James is way more versatile than either of those 2. He can sing mulitple genres, play a few instruments, write songs, dance, act, design graphics and do character impressions and voice overs.

    Case in point: He won San Jose’s Country Idol in 2009. 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEXs1GnnzR4

  • irockhard

    Bieber and Gaga’s names got thrown around so I decided to use them. What does it matter which big name we use? A hit song can make ANYONE marketable, just ask PSY. Even so most of the hit songs are electro-pop or hip hop. Some folk/indie rock bands have gained some recognition in the mainstream due to a few big crossover hits but aside from those hit songs, they’re not as well known outside of their home formats, so they’re not on the same level and Bieber, Gaga, ect.

  • justmefornow

    LOL. Not everyone follows James as closely. If you don’t, you wouldn’t know about very recent collabs with one of Halestorm’s co-writers or other hints he’s been alluding to about this album’s harder direction.
    Personally, I think SCIBIT was actually a test to see how some of his fanbase that prefer the softer stuff would react.

    Now he needs to go even further, IMO.

  • justmefornow

    As for having the right look for mainstream marketable success: Mumford and Sons have been very popular recently, which I also think has really helped P2 take off. 
    But unlike P2, who I think is above average in the looks department, M&S? Have you really looked at them? 
    Hmm, just no, lol.

  • sabbia

    I too believe P2 success is based on M&S popularity (and Home’s success also fits right into that sound). And to add to this discussion: I also believe Daughtry took off chiefly because he piggybacked the Nickelback era.

  • irockhard

    LOL so true, P2 is Daughtry 2.0, and wouldn’t you know it, they both have a song called “Home”.