Idol Headlines for 06/10/10

yay, 8 parts for Mamasox like Siobhan. Slezak does know who’s the real winner this season.

Awesome Idolatry! In your face Simon!

Pop
50 50 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 512 430 +82 1.268
87 74 KRIS ALLEN The Truth 134 69 +65 1.213
76 82 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 109 104 +5 0.665
471 102 GLEE CAST Don’t Stop Believin’ 44 1 +43 0.138
98 108 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Cowboy Casanova 39 47 -8 0.238
134 113 DAUGHTRY September 34 20 +14 0.109
149 154 CRYSTAL BOWERSOX Holy Toledo 16 16 0 0.077
233 177 LEE DEWYZE Beautiful Day 11 4 +7 0.011
210 GLEE CAST Bad Romance 7 0 +7 0.127

Hot AC
3 3 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 3732 3697 +35 19.705
7 7 DAUGHTRY Life After You 2731 2730 +1 13.959
10 11 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin… 2272 2261 +11 12.14
13 15 KELLY CLARKSON All I Ever Wanted 1877 2111 -234 9.554
37 28 DAUGHTRY September 586 329 +257 3.037
33 31 KRIS ALLEN The Truth 560 437 +123 1.712

AC
3 3 KELLY CLARKSON Already Gone 1803 1681 +122 14.067
8 7 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin… 1166 1186 -20 6.908
9 8 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 904 813 +91 8.378
10 9 DAUGHTRY Life After You 767 748 +19 6.488
27 26 WILL YOUNG Leave Right Now 111 103 +8 0.213
31 31 BROOKE WHITE Change 67 66 +1 0.068
34 44 LEE DEWYZE Beautiful Day 38 54 -16 0.721

Country
10 8 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Undo It 3573 3108 +465 27.027
28 30 BUCKY COVINGTON A Father’s Love (The… 1256 1081 +175 7.132
37 36 KELLIE PICKLER Makin’ Me Fall In Lo… 714 614 +100 3.904

Active Rock
28 31 WE ARE THE FALLEN Bury Me Alive 304 345 -41 0.537

Urban
31 27 FANTASIA Bittersweet 1035 897 +138 5.942

Urban AC
11 9 FANTASIA Bittersweet 1236 984 +252 9.193

Christian AC
23 22 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin… 338 315 +23 1.497
37 36 PHIL STACEY Some Kind Of Love 137 137 0 0.831

Not the best idolatry ever, where is the fun? it drags on and on..

Billboard: KrisAllen’s “The Truth” moved up 3 notches to #28 for Adult Pop Songs.

loveeeeeeeeeeeeed that idolatry interview awesomeness MAMASOX!! FIX lol

now back to work before i get canned lol

A country-oriented site has a writeup on Danny’s new single, very nice though not sure why they chose that particular acoustic video to use with it. The one featured at dannygokey.com is probably the best. Looks like it is from a part of his radio tour when his voice was a bit ripped up after the crazy number of appearances he did just before and after the album launch.

http://www.dixiestreams.com/danny-gokey-i-will-not-say-goodbye/
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Video of Danny at that appearance last week for the company with whom he has the eyewear deal. Cute at the end as he gets up and moves around the table to pose for pics with a little boy. Awww. Even Danny’s usually stern-looking road manager is smiling at that one, lol.

http://www.brookfieldnow.com/multimedia/video/?bctid=90969114001

It’ll be funny if LLWD goes recurrent on Hot AC despite getting its bullet back

Haven’t listened to the idolatry interview yet (and not sure if I will), but what does Crystal say about Adam?

Keith is a bit blurry in the photo but still awesome…

dannygokey: Highlight of last night was Keith Urban! He called me by him & told me his family loves my single-I was blown away! http://yfrog.com/0sxl6oj
14 minutes ago via Twitterrific

Mary102:
06/10/2010 at 11:06 am

Haven’t listened to the idolatry interview yet (and not sure if I will), but what does Crystal say about Adam?

Just finished with the interview — Michael basically just asks Crystal if there are any collaborators she would like to work with. She eventually voices a list of dream artists she’d like to work with. She started by saying she’d have to ask them first, but “…maybe Adam.” She goes onto say that he has an awesome voice, or something like that, and then Michael shows the clip of Adam mentoring saying that Crystal has an amazing voice. That was pretty much it before she added she’d maybe like to work with Lee and then named a list of more established “dream” collaborators.

Haven’t listened to the idolatry interview yet (and not sure if I will), but what does Crystal say about Adam?

Crystal would like to collaborate with Adam on her album. She thinks he has amazing voice.
Then Idolatry showed her performance of Saved during Elvis week where Adam served as the mentor. I think one of her underrated performances.

I don’t think Crystal & Adam would be the best collaboration for either because the are so different — but it’s an interesting thought and it would definitely be fun to see

Not my favorite Idolatry interview of all-time, but a lot of good stuff

Great Idolatry….Love to see a collaboration with Crystal and Adam and cool that see want to too. This was a great interview all around and made me like her not only as a performer but as a person.

Great Idolatry interview. Crystal is a cool and beautiful person and singer, and Idolatry allowed that to come through. I absolutely loved it.

Glad to hear from Crystal finally! I was afraid she had been kidnapped since we have not heard from her in so long! I guess you can’t have the second fiddler outshine the head fiddler.

I think Crystal and Adam would sound great together. The biggest thing they have in common is that they both can sing their respective tails off…. I can’t wait for it to happen!

dhunken:
06/10/2010 at 11:26 am

Great Idolatry….Love to see a collaboration with Crystal and Adam and cool that see want to too. This was a great interview all around and made me like her not only as a performer but as a person.

I really liked the interview, too. I honestly wasn’t too sure about how I felt about her personality on Idol. Sometimes I really liked her and other times I thought she seemed kind of distant and aloof. She was obviously very comfortable with Michael, so I felt like we got to see more of her personality. She was very real, amusing and warm.

That was one of my favorite Idolatries ever. I love when Michael gets one of his favorites in, he’s like a kid in a candy shop. I also loved how Crystal acknowledged his support. I just like her, and her interview was just a reminder of how solid she was through the entire competition. She really put together a body of work that I will be youtubing forever. Her Up to the Mountain charged into my top 10 of favorite idol performances. I think that she and Adam would make a great collaboration actually because they are perceived as so different. I would argue that point, but I still would love to see it come to fruition. I mean every xmas I thing about Bing Crosby and David Bowie’s Little Drummer Boy……pretty different singers yes? But it worked.

Great Idolatry….Love to see a collaboration with Crystal and Adam and cool that see want to too. This was a great interview all around and made me like her not only as a performer but as a person.

Dhunken, you managed to say pretty much the same thing I said, but with less word wastage, lol.

Great Idolatry. She’s smart, funny, and a real pro! Michael was a bit star struck though. HA ha.

Glad to hear from Crystal finally! I was afraid she had been kidnapped since we have not heard from her in so long!

I hope Crystal gets a twitter account soon. Her official website says so.

Actually, Adam wasn’t the first she mentioned at all. He was the near the end of a list she was throwing out. She said, ‘I don’t know. Maybe Adam. He has a good voice.’

Personally, she might want to watch videos of his shows and listen to his album. I really don’t think that’s the style Crystal is going for. (she made some pretty sour faces on the subject of Ke$ha) I could see them doing a duet, but Adam would have to dial back the glam and electrono-pop.

Why the EW editor decided to put that in the headline is anybody’s guess. It was an 8 segment interview with tons of great material. I really enjoyed it.

I don’t think Crystal working with Adam means she’s wants to go pop. Adam just worked with Nikka Costa. I think she knows he can sing other styles. A collaboration would be pretty interesting, I’d like to see what they could cook up.

I can’t believe this long awaited BOWERSOX Idolatry came out during work hours!!! UGH!!! Have to wait until tonight to listen, but from the comments and noting it is a big EIGHT sessions long, I can’t wait!

I found all of the headlines today very interesting – thanks MJ. I think it’s awesome that SuBo is singing for the Pope – I hope she doesn’t have any sort of meltdown and is actually able to pull this off. If so, I predict her album sales will return to the top of the charts again just from the publicity and exposure of this event.

I’m not surprised that Ellen didn’t exactly fit in with the IDOL production crew – she has a very busy schedule and runs her own show, so I’m sure if there were inefficiencies she would feel obligated to point them out (and people wouldn’t like that).

Yay for Jordin staying true to herself. She is correct that plenty of other artists take care of “sexing it up” with their music.

It’s also nice to see how happy Carrie is with her beau. I wish her lots of happiness – hope with both of their busy schedules it all works out.

Actually, Adam wasn’t the first she mentioned at all. He was the near the end of a list she was throwing out. She said, ‘I don’t know. Maybe Adam. He has a good voice.’

Huh. Thanks for getting all the facts straight!

It’s nice that she mentioned him. Adam certainly makes an impression. I think they’d work great together. Adam has proven his versatility in many genres. Who knows what his next album will sound like? In a rock song these two would kill it.

She was obviously very comfortable with Michael, so I felt like we got to see more of her personality. She was very real, amusing and warm.

This very friendly interview was great for Crystal; it brought out the best in her. It was a nice retrospective on her Idol music too; it’s so easy when the season is over to forget how much great music was made and she made a lot of great music. She is just excellent – and whip smart, which I should have known, but didn’t.

This Idolatry was so worth the wait! I adore Crystal as a person and this reminded me of how much I loved her performances throughout the show! The rapport between her and Michael was wonderful as well, she’s so real I feel like she’s a normal person through and through! Now she needs to get on Twitter or something so that we’ll get updates and whatnot! Thanks for the update Mj! I wish Michael gets to interview Casey as well!

Personally, she might want to watch videos of his shows and listen to his album. I really don’t think that’s the style Crystal is going for. (she made some pretty sour faces on the subject of Ke$ha) I could see them doing a duet, but Adam would have to dial back the glam and electrono-pop.

Twig – I’m not a huge Adam fan, but one thing became clear to me last year – he can duet and adjust his style where necessary. He had two duets with Kris (Crazy – acoustic & Queen) where he worked it out just fine. Although I’m not exactly sure that is the type of collaboration that was being discussed since I haven’t been able to watch the video! UGH!

but Adam would have to dial back the glam and electrono-pop.

Crystal would select the song, and it would just be Adam’s voice for the collab. It’s up to her and her producers what vibe/instrumentation, etc. they would use with their voices.

Just finished with the interview — Michael basically just asks Crystal if there are any collaborators she would like to work with. She eventually voices a list of dream artists she’d like to work with. She started by saying she’d have to ask them first, but “…maybe Adam.” She goes onto say that he has an awesome voice, or something like that, and then Michael shows the clip of Adam mentoring saying that Crystal has an amazing voice. That was pretty much it before she added she’d maybe like to work with Lee and then named a list of more established “dream” collaborators.

Aww, that’s awesome! Thanks Teri63 and marj for the summary! (can’t watch at work).

I could see them doing some collab in an ACIGTC/bluesy style. Doubt it would happen (espec since they’re on different labels now), but cool thought.

So, score bonus points for Siobhan and Crystal for giving Adam mad props in post show interviews

I wish Michael gets to interview Casey as well!

Too bad about the Casey interview Hopefully when the tour comes to NYC, that’s usually when Slezak does more press with the group. His interviews are good because they’re longer and more personal than most of the tv interviews, and he always asks interesting, thoughtful questions. Plus, he can bring out interesting sides from people – like Danny’s last year, or Matt’s.

How cool is it that Allison is touring with Adam. It seems both bands and the dancers are having a bunch of fun on their off days. Adam’s band is riding in Allison’s bus, so they are getting to know her.

I think it’s fantastic that Crystal named Adam as someone she would like to collaborate with. He’s gotten so many compliments from the people he mentored on American Idol. Lee, Siobhan, Michael, Katie and now Crystal have complimented him. It gives me the giddies, just like it did when others have said the same thing. My favorite though, is Lea Michelle. She was such a fangirl..lol.

J9BT:
06/10/2010 at 11:48 am

Twig – I’m not a huge Adam fan, but one thing became clear to me last year – he can duet and adjust his style where necessary. He had two duets with Kris (Crazy – acoustic & Queen) where he worked it out just fine.

I agree, it’s actually been cool to see Adam adjust his style to mesh well with others in duets. I’m not sure all duet partners could do that. I can’t see someone being able to adjust to Adam’s style of glam/electro pop as easily as he can to their styles. Love that versatility he has!!

TwigLA:
06/10/2010 at 11:39 am

Actually, Adam wasn’t the first she mentioned at all. He was the near the end of a list she was throwing out. She said, ‘I don’t know. Maybe Adam. He has a good voice.’

Not that it truly matters at all, but in the interest of accurately reporting to those who do not have the time, desire, or are in an inappropriate location to watch what was said during Michael’s interview, Crystal did mention Adam’s name first. I just rewatched, and it’s in the final segment at about mark 3:08. He first asks her who she’d like to collaborate with, she says that the finale really summed it up for her (when she sang with Joe Cocker and Alanis Morrissette). Then Michael asks her to throw out some names, and she says, maybe Adam, that he has a heck-of-a-voice. Then she says Lee, then a list of more established “dream” collaborators. In no way do I necessarily think that naming Adam first meant he was the one she most wanted to work with. She was just chit-chatting with Michael and that’s simply the order in which her throwing names out there came up.

Wow, lots of news about Simon Cowell this week- in this story, Simon wants to produce a World Cup song for England (another remake, not surprised).

I

think Crystal and Adam would sound great together. The biggest thing they have in common is that they both can sing their respective tails off…. I can’t wait for it to happen!

I think they would sound great together too. They both have power voices and Adam can adjust and sing anything. He may not play the guitar but he can sure sing every note on a guitar. Many artist from different labels sing together so I don’t think that would be a problem. Maybe I missed it but I thought she did mention Adam name first.

Thanks Teri63 for the accurate reporting! I appreciate it, I can’t watch at work but I’ll definitely watch tonight, I really appreciate Crystal’s talent.

Why the EW editor decided to put that in the headline is anybody’s guess. It was an 8 segment interview with tons of great material. I really enjoyed it.

I think the reason that headline was used because like Michael S.said put it out there on the internet to send out the message. A duet with Crystal and Adam would have the media go BSC with this and it would all be good for Crystal with major buzz going into releasing her album.

Awesome idolatry today! love Crystal although i’m not connecting that much with many songs she sang so far (just because of the music’s style) !
I loved so much her performance with Joe Cocker on the finale!
She comes up as very real and smart.
The didgederoo (or whatever) bit was funny!

Awesome interview! Love the way she made that “yuck, who farted in the elevator” face when Michael mentioned Ke$ha!! Crystal has a star presence doesn’t she? You can tell Michael absolutely loves and adores her, probably more than any Idol he’s ever interviewed. Watching her Idol discography again just points out how she is truly in another league from the rest of the Idol pack.

Crystal is just so down to earth, but very sure of herself and very cool. She’s exactly the type of person I’d love to have drinks with at a quiet bar and just talk for hours about life and music.

One thing Michael brought up that I’ve been saying for some time is that some of Crystal’s very best performances had that soul/gospel vibe, and I hope she incorporates some of that sound in her album.

Great stuff, and may I just say right now that Slezak is the best of the best when it comes to interviewing skills.

New Crystal interview .. rehearsing and in beginning stages of album.

OnMedia: A chat with Crystal Bowersox

Nice interview with Crystal, but I wish Michael and Jason Averett would tone down the fanboy stuff. It was cute for a while, but it starts to makes me tune out. I got so sick of his pimping of Allison last season and I was a big fan. I can only imagine how people who are on the fence about a contestant would react to that stuff.

Is Casey the only one he never interviewed this season? I can’t remember if he met with Mike or not. I didn’t watch a lot of them because I just didn’t care enough, and “Idolatry” was subpar for me (for you?) this season. I really hope he gets Casey on; he’s a good interview and I’m sure he could make some funny faces (as Crystal did) to communicate an enormous amount of information without risking violating any contractual gag orders.

Watching this episode of Idolatry was painfull. Just because seeing some of the best moments of Crystal’s performances makes it even more unbelievable that this awesome girl didn’t win Idol. She is an amazing singer and a cool person. I loved when she said that if people were going to hate her for giving good performances and being praised by the judges, so be it. I always thought that the frontrunner backlash is very unfair.

I was surprised, but found very cool, that she mentioned Adam. I don’t know if she’s seen videos of his shows, but she saw him performing WWFM (with lasers) on Idol, so she’s aware of his performance style. And he does have an acoustic set on his show. He’s not just about the dancers and electro-pop. I don’t think this colaboration will happen, though I would love to see what they would come up with.

You can tell Michael absolutely loves and adores her, probably more than any Idol he’s ever interviewed

I am not sure that Slezak could ever love anyone more than Tasia and Alli…

Love that Crystal mentioned wanting to collaborate with Adam (and wasn’t his the first name she threw out? maybe I missed something?). I think Adam can adjust to duet with anyone, and their voices would sound great. Crystal can definitely sing.

Does anyone have a link to the article where all the singles sales for various idols are listed? I think Brian wrote it?

Nice interview with Crystal, but I wish Michael and Jason Averett would tone down the fanboy stuff. It was cute for a while, but it starts to makes me tune out. I got so sick of his pimping of Allison last season and I was a big fan. I can only imagine how people who are on the fence about a contestant would react to that stuff.

Well, I like Crystal, she is a very good singer but I find her boring at times and this was too much for me. I have never seen an idolatry with so many clips of the singing contestant that interrupt the flow. It’s an interview, keep to talking.

I was surprised, but found very cool, that she mentioned Adam. I don’t know if she’s seen videos of his shows, but she saw him performing WWFM (with lasers) on Idol, so she’s aware of his performance style. And he does have an acoustic set on his show. He’s not just about the dancers and electro-pop. I don’t think this colaboration will happen, though I would love to see what they would come up with.

Well, I think if the Lambert fans (and we know how persistent they can be)and Crystal fans put their heads together maybe we can make it happen. We know Adam listens to his fans feedback so I can see it, and anything with Adam on it we will buy . I just want Crystal to start off with a great buzz and album sales because she deserves it.

She was just chit-chatting with Michael and that’s simply the order in which her throwing names out there came up.

I’m sure glad you brought this up, because I was fer sure thinking by the end of this thread there would be a headline up somewhere,”BOWERSOX BEGS LAMBERT FOR TUNE DUO”

Concert Stats:

Glee:

22
Glee
Radio City Music Hall
New York, N.Y.
May 28-30, 2010
$2,161,304
29,739 /
29,739
5 /
5
$89.50, $59.50, $39.50
86
Glee
Rosemont Theatre
Rosemont, Ill.
May 25-26, 2010
$624,453
8,895 /
8,895
2 /
2
$79.50, $39.50
Live Nation

91
Glee
Dodge Theatre
Phoenix, Ariz.
May 15-16, 2010
$595,938
9,539 /
9,539
2 /
2
$75, $35
Live Nation/Haymon Entertainment

29
Glee
Gibson Amphitheatre at Universal Citywalk
Universal City, Calif.
May 20-22, 2010
$1,649,743
23,720 /
23,720
4 /
4
$79.50, $39.50
Live Nation

Radio

41
KISS 108 FM Concert: Ke$ha, Boys Like Girls, Kris Allen, Adam Lambert, The Script, Orianthi, New Boyz, Jason Derulo & others
Comcast Center
Mansfield, Mass.
22-May-10
$1,135,705
19,674 /
19,932
1 /
0
$200, $35
Live Nation

Daughtry

108
Nickelback, Daughtry
Color Line Arena
Hamburg, Germany
Feb. 1, 2010
$480,481
6,636 /
8,260
1 /
0
$98.04, $77.95
Karsten Jahnke Konzertdirektion

I’m kind of surprised that Gaga’s concert in Germany wasn’t sold out (about 70%). She did in the O2 concert in the UK.

BestAI:
06/10/2010 at 12:00 pm
How cool is it that Allison is touring with Adam. It seems both bands and the dancers are having a bunch of fun on their off days. Adam’s band is riding in Allison’s bus, so they are getting to know her.

Yes! I love reading the tweets from the bands! It seems they’re all really bonding! Awww!!! Now Neil needs to step it up with some priceless, candid BTS vid footage or something

I agree, it’s actually been cool to see Adam adjust his style to mesh well with others in duets. I’m not sure all duet partners could do that. I can’t see someone being able to adjust to Adam’s style of glam/electro pop as easily as he can to their styles. Love that versatility he has!!

So true! I mean, he’s practically done folk too with some of his past songs, and definitely blues, and just about every other style under the sun. The Nikka Costa collab he seemed to be doing recently is definitely in more of a bluesy/funk/soul style.

I wouldn’t make a big deal of Crystal’s comments about being interested in a possible collaboration with Adam. She threw some names out there, that’s all. The media isn’t going to care unless/until a collaboration becomes an actual fact. It’s not like either of them have any time to get together to do a collaboration right now, anyway. Maybe down the road, sometime. A Crystal/Lee collaboration is far more likely, since they’re going to be touring together anyway.

I am not sure that Slezak could ever love anyone more than Tasia and Alli…

I don’t know about Fantasia, but I’m under the impression that he already loves Crystal more than Allison. JMO.

edit

I love Adam and I adore Crystal, but I hope they don’t collaborate. I want her to work with people outside the Idol bubble. I want her to have an actual career. She’s the farthest thing from boring, IMO. The whole room quiets when she sings. That’s some kind of charisma.

I think this girl is blessed with more than talent. She has self-esteem, self-control, and common sense. I have hope for her, I really do.

Adam tweets:

I hope the rain clears up for tonights performance in Iowa. Really wet for an outdoor venue.

I love Adam and I adore Crystal, but I hope they don’t collaborate. I want her to work with people outside the Idol bubble. I want her to have an actual career.

Um, ok. So if she got an opportunity to open for Carrie or Kelly, should she turn it down because an idol collab will destroy her career? Just saying I think idol collabs are not a bad thing. These idols are pretty freaking amazing

I’m enjoying the epic Bowersox interview although I’m only half way through. It makes me like Crystal as a person even more than I already did, but it also reminds me of why she lost me as a fan. Too much screeching for my tastes and too many songs all getting the same treatment. She is a very cool young woman though, so I hope all her dreams come true.

The ‘she’s the real winner’ comments are a little odd though … based on what? Not on votes. Not on sales. So what criteria makes her the real winner?

Too much screeching for my tastes

Well, if it is screeching, at least it was on key screeching.

So what criteria makes her the real winner?

The most talent?

BestAI:
06/10/2010 at 12:53 pm
Adam tweets:

I hope the rain clears up for tonights performance in Iowa. Really wet for an outdoor venue.

Sad Adam makes me sad I think he made my whole twitter feed sad after this tweet…

But rain is supposed to clear up soon, and should be gone by the afternoon.

How do scalpers get passcodes before fans? AO does not always get their passcodes to fans in a timely manner. Mine was 45 min. late, and there were already tickets on StubHub. Needless to say, I didn’t get any tickets, and will resort to buying tickets at StubHub again. This is not good at all for Adam to gain new fans. Casual or curious fans are not going to try this hard to get tickets to see him, and certainly will not pay double, triple, and more.

http://www.nctimes.com/entertainment/col….97f6d63fbe.htm

If you didn’t buy your tickets to Adam Lambert’s San Diego concert on July 30, you’re out of luck.

Within minutes of the tickets going on sale last Saturday, all 2,200 seats at Copley Symphony Hall were gone. Tickets can still be had if you’re willing to pay a premium. On craigslist.com, enterprising ticket-sellers are asking about three to four times the face value of the tickets (between $100 and $150 per ticket).

Fans and music writers have lamented online that judging by the quick sellouts of Lambert’s concerts this summer, his management could have afforded to book him into larger venues.

Tidbits from Carrie’s backstage press conference last night at the CMT Awards:

http://www.countryweekly.com/cmt_awards_carrie_underwood/news/4759

While wedding details are still underway, she is pleased that her country music friends have taken Mike in as part of the country music family. “Everybody has been so nice and welcomed him. He was talking to Brad Paisley earlier and he was like, ‘Let’s go hang out.’ I was like, ‘I have to go back on the road!’ and Mike replied, ‘We don’t need her. Let’s go.’ So everybody’s been great, not that I expected anything different, ’cause I know what kind of people I’m around.”

Here are a couple of pictures of Brad Paisley meeting Mike. Carrie seems really excited about it! I LOLed at Mike’s comment.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa183/4825/36323.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa183/4825/untitled-2-1.jpg

Carrie also knows how giving her fans are, and she was delighted that they voted her a winner at the CMT Music Awards show. She says she feels that love every night on her current Play On tour. “[The fans] have made me and all of us [artists]. For me it’s a little bit different, because they were there before I had an album, before I had a record deal, before I had a tour going on. They made me from the ground up. It’s so great being on the road and seeing all of them. I kind of took a year off last year and wrote and recorded. Every time I go back out on the road, it’s a re-energizing situation every night. You can feel that. You can feel their energy. They are amazing. They work harder than any of us. They call radio stations and say ‘Play Carrie, play Carrie, play Carrie.’ They are the ones who get my [songs] to No. 1, and they spread the word. It really is Team Carrie.”

The ’she’s the real winner’ comments are a little odd though … based on what? Not on votes. Not on sales. So what criteria makes her the real winner?

I mostly agree.

I dislike the “real winner” stuff. American Idol is a show that is won by getting the most votes. I may not like this year’s winner, but he’s the real winner. He got the most votes.

Even if Crystal had outsold Lee, Lee would still have been the real winner in my books. He won. And I move on.

I don’t care how many concert reviewers rave about Mike. Or if Tim turns out to have the best selling album. Or if Aaron wins twelve Grammys. Or Siobhan goes onto be the US Ambassador to the UN. Or Casey invents a new energy source that frees us from our dependence on oil. Lee still won American Idol and is the real winner.

I never say that the person who won the French Open isn’t the real winner when the person they beat goes on to beat them at Wimbledon. It’s a new competition. The winner who wins at Wimbledon can be the real winner at Wimbledon. The person who goes on to have the best career post Idol will have the best career post Idol. Lee will still be the real winner American Idol Season 9.

IMO, of course.

I got my email from AO at 7:43pm last night. Good thing I wasn’t needing pre-sale.

How do scalpers get passcodes before fans? AO does not always get their passcodes to fans in a timely manner. Mine was 45 min. late, and there were already tickets on StubHub

Scalpers are professional ticket buyers, they have their ways. They will belong to those fan sites and they will make sure they get the passcodes. Scalpers will always get tickets.

But, with craiglist and stubhub, anybody can be a scalper. I’m sure many of those tickets are being offered for sale by fellow fans. It is a quick and easy way to pay for your own tickets. If the concerts are selling out and the tickets are selling for 3x their face value, getting the biggest block of tickets you can get is like winning the lottery without having to buy a lottery ticket.

So happy for Constantine! Waiting for the show to hit Chicago!

I got my email from AO at 7:43pm last night. Good thing I wasn’t needing pre-sale.

No excuse for that. I was so frustrated yesterday, and was practically in tears when I didn’t get tickets. I just resigned myself to buying scalped tickets (as I did for another “sold out” show).

Wow, congratulations Carrie.

Fans and music writers have lamented online that judging by the quick sellouts of Lambert’s concerts this summer, his management could have afforded to book him into larger venues.

This is oversimplification I know, but I can’t understand why they didn’t know he was gonna sellout at the small venues. WE KNEW Course it’s not our money or reputation that would go out the window if they went big and it didn’t sell well.

I wonder what would happen if they picked an arena for, say, late July and had a big (added) concert just before school gets started and families are having the last vacations of the summer. I’d like to see this happen just so we could give BB a chance to see what the draw really could be.

I wonder what would happen if they picked an arena for, say, late July and had a big (added) concert just before school gets started and families are having the last vacations of the summer. I’d like to see this happen just so we could give BB a chance to see what the draw really could be.

I would take more of an intermediate step, not arenas. Venues like the Nokia in LA which seats about 7K. I think they could try a few venues like that in certain parts of the country.

I’m glad Adam is doing small venues. It’s better to play small venues and sell out most of them, than going big and falling on your face. It’s a shame that some fans can’t get tickets, but he can always add more shows if there’s demand. I feel really happy erveytime Adam sells out a venue. As a fan, it’s a beautiful thing to see.

But, with craiglist and stubhub, anybody can be a scalper. I’m sure many of those tickets are being offered for sale by fellow fans. It is a quick and easy way to pay for your own tickets.

Yep, this is true. I bought premium seats for the opening show on ebay, and the guy who sold them (not an OTT Adam fan) was nevertheless someone who was already going to the show himself, and really looking forward to seeing him live. So, essentially he was a fellow fan who got lucky with nice seats and sold the extras for lots more money.

This is oversimplification I know, but I can’t understand why they didn’t know he was gonna sellout at the small venues. WE KNEW Course it’s not our money or reputation that would go out the window if they went big and it didn’t sell well.

IDK, but probably they base a lot of the initial tour bookings on sales, history etc. Adam is still a newbie, it’s his first headlining tour, and his sales weren’t Carrie big or anything (though still strong). I mean, Daughtry was playing the 9:30 Club in DC (small venue Adam is also playing) when I saw him a year after AI, and he was doing very well already at the time with sales, but hadn’t established any history as a touring artist, so they probably tempered expectations.

What they didn’t consider, though, is that, more than some other comparable artists, Adam live is a HUGE part of the draw – and many many people (cough*me*cough) are willing to see him at multiple venues because he’s just that good live.

So, going back to a previous discussion – some artists are just much bigger draws live than they are with sales, and vice versa. (Like Rihanna and Kesha having huge single sales and hits, but not being as big a draw live for what you’d expect them to be). It all depends, really.

It definitely seems though, that one reason all these late, extra dates are being added to his tour schedule, is because they did underestimate the demand, and are now getting every venue and date they can (within reason) to sell as much as possible. A friend spoke to Monte the other day, and he confirmed that they were originally planning to start the tour later (in July) to accommodate his new babies, but had to move it to early June because of all the extra dates they wanted to squeeze in.

I would take more of an intermediate step, not arenas. Venues like the Nokia in LA which seats about 7K. I think they could try a few venues like that in certain parts of the country.

Okay, that’s more in line with what I’m thinking of sizewise. I’m not very familiar with arena, etc., just knew it was bigger that what we’re getting now.

(Dodging tomatoes, bullets, etc.) “If you build it, they will come” comes to mind in this situation.

ETA: Screwed those quotes up, but you know what I meant.

Oh, yeah – and two other thoughts about the smaller venues for Adam:

1) He himself seemed to prefer a more intimate setting with fans – plus prob had budget constraints for going TOO OTT with the theatrics, etc, which would have been required to fill up a larger venue

2) Even Gaga was playing some of these same venues about 6 months ago, when the first leg of the Monster Ball tour kicked off.

Awwww Crystal, i know i was rooting for the right person. She’s awesome, i really hope she does well with her album, she deserves it. The collab with Adam surprised me a little. They should definitely try it, why not? Maybe it’ll work, maybe not. But yeah i loved how she smacked down all the fans whinning and complaining about her not be happy enough, not be this and that, the judges pimping etc. Just hope she has enough strenght to mantain this ‘i do not care’ image through another year . It’s much harder in the real world, just ask your buddy Adam.
And why did they put Adam’s name in the headline? well because they know that idol fans would either love it (Adam fans) or hate it (the rest), but there will be only a small portion of people who wouldn’t comment on it . Apperently still in 2010 just putting his name in an random article drives bigger traffic. When it stops, the media will leave him alone.

I would take more of an intermediate step, not arenas. Venues like the Nokia in LA which seats about 7K. I think they could try a few venues like that in certain parts of the country.

Yes, ITA. In DC, he booked the 9:30 club which seats about 1100 (smallest on the whole tour, I think), and while he might not have gotten the Verizon Center (capactiy up to about 10,000), he could have gotten DAR Constitution Hall, which is at least 3-4 thousand. It could have been a scheduling issue though – since some of these venues have tons of acts already booked all summer.

But really, with his demand in the DC area, no way 1100 tix at the 9:30 Club would have been sufficient by any stretch of the imagination.

I hope the rain clears up for tonights performance in Iowa. Really wet for an outdoor venue.

Where’s the concert tonight? It’s stopped raining in my part of IA, but if it’s in Des Moines, it will probably be wet for another 3-4 hours for sure. More rain for tomorrow, but might be dry tonight.

1) He himself seemed to prefer a more intimate setting with fans – plus prob had budget constraints for going TOO OTT with the theatrics, etc, which would have been required to fill up a larger venue

Yeah, Mary102, I know this is right. Adam would probably have wanted this to sort of go in an organized, step-by-step, process so he could see the foundation being properly built. He is a perfectionist, we know.

I never say that the person who won the French Open isn’t the real winner when the person they beat goes on to beat them at Wimbledon. It’s a new competition. The winner who wins at Wimbledon can be the real winner at Wimbledon. The person who goes on to have the best career post Idol will have the best career post Idol. Lee will still be the real winner American Idol Season 9.

You get this kind of talk whenever there is an event judged by voting… figure skating is one other example.

LOL OMG this video is funny. More proof of Adams screaming tweens. The little girl in the green shirt is about to pass out.

http://www.examiner.com/x-43585-Entertainment-Reviews-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Screaming-Adam-Lambert-fan-viral-video-of-the-week

And why did they put Adam’s name in the headline? well because they know that idol fans would either love it (Adam fans) or hate it (the rest), but there will be only a small portion of people who wouldn’t comment on it .

LOL – hey, it worked on me I wound up reading Katie Stevens and Tim Urban interviews by him and Cantiello this year just because they mentioned Adam in the tagline.

Jim himself said that AI related traffic for S9 was WAY down over previous years on MTV.com, so they’re probably trying to hype up anything they can to get more traffic.

I’m really interested to see how many people stick around for Adam after the Rays game at Tropicana field in Sept. The Rays are hot right now, in the playoff hunt, the game should sell well. But most season ticket holders are senior citizens, we’ll see. I think the dome holds 18k. When the initial announcement came out, the comments on the article weren’t very positive.

Where’s the concert tonight? It’s stopped raining in my part of IA, but if it’s in Des Moines, it will probably be wet for another 3-4 hours for sure. More rain for tomorrow, but might be dry tonight.

It’s in Council Bluffs, IA – on the western edge of the state (had to look that up – I have no sense of IA geography, lol)

1) He himself seemed to prefer a more intimate setting with fans – plus prob had budget constraints for going TOO OTT with the theatrics, etc, which would have been required to fill up a larger venue

I haven’t been to his concert yet, but from what I’ve heard and seen on youtube, he certainly can put THIS show on a bigger stage/venue (not arena). Even tho it’s relative cheap — lasers, small platforms with steps, and a video with the visuals, I think the complete scenario was visually creative. The lasers were probably the same ones that Adam brought to his AI performance.

I think they chose right venues for Adam. They can always book an extra concert if neccessary. And he can negotiate better venue fees when he’s selling them out. It can really help him a lot to get down the prizes of booking fees, because as an unestablished artist he was initially on the high end of the scale (35%, maybe even 40%), but when he shows he can sell out, his position in these negotiations is much better and he can get himself maybe to 25% (the numbers are wild guesses of course). How many extra concerts did they book? I know about the fair in cali, San francisco, now maybe they’ll try San Diego. That’s 3 shows out of 70, so i would say they did booked the right venues for him. Not all the venues are selling out in minutes, the majority is not.

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25 25 06 Carrie Underwood, Undo It
40 35 25 Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me
69 NE 01 Glee Cast, Good Vibrations
70 20 03 Glee Cast, Poker Face
72 24 02 Lee DeWyze, Beautiful Day
76 44 02 Lee DeWyze, Hallelujah
79 NE 01 Glee Cast, Another One Bites The Dust
80 66 02 Lee DeWyze & Crystal Bowersox, Falling Slowly
87 NE 01 Glee Cast, Tell Me Something Good
93 NE 01 Glee Cast, Loser
95 NE 01 Glee Cast, It’s A Man’s, Man’s Man’s World

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6 1 Give Up The Funk, Glee Cast
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Twig – I’m not a huge Adam fan, but one thing became clear to me last year – he can duet and adjust his style where necessary.

Oh, I agree that Adam can duet with just about anyone. I also love his voice when he’s singing songs I like in the style I like

I’m fairly sure that the question was who she’d like to collaborate with for her debut album. I don’t think we’ve seen an AI album of duets for their first out of the gate. So I was thinking in terms writing and production. She also said she wanted to produce it herself. Good luck with that.

For the record, I’m a Crystal fan.

It’s in Council Bluffs, IA – on the western edge of the state (had to look that up – I have no sense of IA geography, lol)

Then the forecast is a bit better … thunderstorms until 2. Scattered for tonight. I’m on that side of the state, actually. We had so much rain earlier today, that my basement is now damp.

There are several internet sites that give out presale codes to the various events. I assume they get these codes from the fanclubs or radio stations that provide presale codes to their members. Scalpers probably get the codes this way, but have methods to get into the ticket sites faster than ordinary potential ticket buyers

That’s 3 shows out of 70, so i would say they did booked the right venues for him. Not all the venues are selling out in minutes, the majority is not.

First, I don’t think the exact number of extra shows they’ve added can be known. I’m not just talking the 2nd SF, OC, and NYC shows – but the doubling back to the northeast – having a TON of shows pop up all over new england for two times in the summer (the second block was announced later), plus more in the midwest than I would have initial expected. And new PA dates just announced too.

Second, he is selling out almost every Northeast/mid-atlantic show within minutes. Plus a lot of the CA shows (with the exception of the OC ones, because those are much larger venues). Some of the midwest shows (like the IA shows) haven’t sold out, or at least not as quickly.

This kind of pattern happens with a lot of artists. During the first leg of Gaga’s Monsters Ball tour – NYC and AC sold out within minutes, but my friend easily got tix to see her in CT, and friends in other parts of the country had much easier times getting later tix to her shows.

Another date was also added (Nokia) in NYC. I would say a good portion of the concerts were sold out in minutes. Maybe some took a few days or more, but eventually sold out.

Personally I prefer concerts in small to mid-sized venues. In the bigger ones, unless I have bought an overly expensive ticket to sit up close, I often have to rely on looking at a video screen to see what’s going on up on the stage — and that results in me not feeling as connected to the performance. So I think that they’ve done the right thing in booking Adam into these sized venues — big enough so he can still have the lazers, dancers, etc. but small enough so that he can still connect with the entire audience — not just the ones right near the stage.

Was a show in Erie, PA, mentioned?

wow those glee tours made some serious money. i read that the show is just thank you for the fans and it’s not financially profitable, but that’s really hard to believe after seeing the numbers.

What we won’t know is how much Adam makes from selling merchandise. I bet those are much, much more profitable than the peformances themselves. Lots of expenses involved for the performance (the band, dancers, tech crew, cleaning costumes…).

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never say that the person who won the French Open isn’t the real winner when the person they beat goes on to beat them at Wimbledon. It’s a new competition. The winner who wins at Wimbledon can be the real winner at Wimbledon. The person who goes on to have the best career post Idol will have the best career post Idol. Lee will still be the real winner American Idol Season 9.

The difference in the French Open and AI winners is that in the French Open you watch it happen with no chance of shenanigans unless the player throws the match. The AI way is to have the “safest” finalist win and it is done out of the eyes of the public. Kris and Lee will never be the real winners because they were not the best singers….they were the safest choice for the producers. IMHO

but the doubling back to the northeast – having a TON of shows pop up all over new england for two times in the summer

great. that’s probably exactly because he was selling well in the north-east, so the booking rates went way down, so why not to add shows there when he’s paying 25% of tickets sales now instead of 35%. I think they’re really trying to accomodate to the demand and there’s a ton of resales even from fans on twitter for face value, so i would argue that every fan who really wants to see Adam badly, can buy a ticket to see him for a reasonable price. it’s annoying, because it takes more time than just click on ticketmaster, but it would be much more of a disaster for Adam and his team if he would be playing venues with only 60% tickets sold. that will be really expensive for them. now it is safe to say he will be making money this summer, even though still the most money for him is in the T-shirts.

girlygirl:
06/10/2010 at 2:17 pm
Personally I prefer concerts in small to mid-sized venues. In the bigger ones, unless I have bought an overly expensive ticket to sit up close, I often have to rely on looking at a video screen to see what’s going on up on the stage — and that results in me not feeling as connected to the performance.

ITA. It’s a bit of a catch-22. I’d love for Adam to sell out stadiums some day, but damn, that would really suck as a fan You’d either have to be super lucky or pay a huge premium for great seats.

The WB venue was smaller and PERFECT for a fan The FS venue was larger, and my seats weren’t that close, and you missed a bit of that intimacy, even though it was still an amazing performance.

Plus, one thing I’ve really come to appreciate is that Adam’s face is super expressive when he performs – and so being able to see it up closer just adds so much more to the performances.

never say that the person who won the French Open isn’t the real winner when the person they beat goes on to beat them at Wimbledon. It’s a new competition. The winner who wins at Wimbledon can be the real winner at Wimbledon.

The big difference is that they are not at the mercy of voters.

It sounds like to me, that the venues are releasing tickets to the secondary sellers (like stub hub) in larger amounts than usual and reaping the higher ticket prices. Bad for the fans, but good for the venues. And if the artist gets a bigger cut, good for him. I’m not saying that is happening with Adam’s concerts but it could be one explanation as to why so many are going to “scalpers”.

Kris and Lee will never be the real winners because they were not the best singers….they were the safest choice for the producers. IMHO

i’m not following Lee.
But as for Kris, he was so not the producer’s choice. It was either Danny and even more Adam of course.
It’s a voting competition, so of course both are the winners because they won.. duh. As to how it will translate outside the idol bubble is a different game.
This subject has been discussed 3 trillions of time here… just gah!

The big difference is that they are not at the mercy of voters.

But you win AI by getting the most votes. So if you get the most votes, you are the real winner.

Okay, it’s like saying that the President of the US isn’t the real President because the guy who lost goes on to win an Oscar. Sure, an Oscar is nice, but you still aren’t the real President. I may think the President is a moron, but he still gets to make all the big decisions.

Or heck, it’s like saying the “Hurt Locker” isn’t the real winner of the Oscar for Best Movie because “Avatar” sold more DVDs. The members of the academy thought “Hurt Locker” was better and voted for it. More fans wanted to buy “Avatar”. They are just two different things.

But you win AI by getting the most votes. So if you get the most votes, you are the real winner.

Just like since OJ didn’t get the most votes he wasn’t the real killer!

Just one comment about worries that regular people who aren’t superfans aren’t gonna know that sold out concerts still have tickets available on reseller sites.

I mentioned on the phone to a friend of mine that I was bummed that the venue closest to me has sold out before I could get tickets. She’s not an Adam fan, but she is a regular concert goer. I heard her clicking on her laptop while we continued talking and a minute or two later she said, hey there’s still tickets if you want em. She had gone straight for StubHub without any prompting from me. I said well, yeah, at scalper prices, and she was all whatevs you can get better seats using StubHub most of the time, so that’s where I go.

Anyway, completely anecdotal but I really think that, especially for people who go to concerts often, hitting up resellers like StubHub is second nature even if a newspaper article says the concert is sold out.

But you win AI by getting the most votes. So if you get the most votes, you are the real winner.

Then you should have compared the winners by votes instead of winners by beating someone in a competition not requiring votes. You can’t say Federer ever beat Nadal because he was more popular and got more votes.

It sounds like to me, that the venues are releasing tickets to the secondary sellers (like stub hub) in larger amounts than usual and reaping the higher ticket prices. Bad for the fans, but good for the venues. And if the artist gets a bigger cut, good for him. I’m not saying that is happening with Adam’s concerts but it could be one explanation as to why so many are going to “scalpers”.

Looking at stubhub, some of the tickets aren’t going as fast as they expected, so they are selling them at or below face value, which is good for fans.

Then you should have compared the winners by votes instead of winners by beating someone in a competition not requiring votes. You can’t say Federer ever beat Nadal because he was more popular and got more votes.

The purpose of the competition is to get more votes than the other contestants. I think the confusion is from some people not understanding when the competition is actually over.

Has anyone here been to the 930 Club in D.C.? And, if so, do you know if stage is raised so can be seen from the back? Any other info about this Club?

Just like since OJ didn’t get the most votes he wasn’t the real killer!

That’s a complete misrepresenation of how the US justice system works.

What the vote meant is that he was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and he didn’t have to go to prison for that crime. It never meant he didn’t do it. Just that the jury didn’t feel the state proved that he did it or that the defense was able to introduce enough reasonable doubt. They didn’t vote him innocent.

The big difference is that they are not at the mercy of voters.

But Idol is a voting contest. The person with the most votes wins. Period. End of story.

And the endless discussions here around who “the real winner” is get old really really really fast.

Then you should have compared the winners by votes instead of winners by beating someone in a competition not requiring votes.

If you read the rest of my post that included the quote you are responding to, I did just that (compare to other voting competitions).

Just because I don’t like what the other voters chose to vote for doesn’t mean that the person didn’t really win.

I think Crystal deserves to win more than Lee, but not enough people voted enough for that to be the case. Lee is the real winner of American Idol. For me, to argue otherwise is a waste of time.

I’m not saying that is happening with Adam’s concerts but it could be one explanation as to why so many are going to “scalpers”.

I don’t think the quantity of stub hub tix are any more or less than what I’ve tended to see for other artists. I look on there all the time for shows, and there are always quite a few.

Most votes = winner. It’s kind of the point of the show, lol. Of course the winner is the real winner.

That’s a complete misrepresenation of how the US justice system works. What the vote meant is that he was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and he didn’t have to go to prison for that crime.

Hair splitting like that will give you loose ends.

Looking at stubhub, some of the tickets aren’t going as fast as they expected, so they are selling them at or below face value, which is good for fans.

Yeah, there are a couple of the larger venues or ones in the more out-of-the-way locations where the scalpers are having to lower their prices. I think after how well the scalpers did initially, they got a bit greedy, grabbing even more tickets without taking into account which venues would be more likely to sell out. But it’s all part of the dance between the scalper and fan as the concert gets closer.

It doesn’t really matter to me what the venue size is. It is so exciting to know that he is selling them out without little to no promo. How do all these peeps know when they go on sale?? It’s like word of mouth or something spreads like wildfire (or twitter) and boom! the day the tickets go on sale they are sold out. He doesn’t have to worry about promo -it just organically happens. He gets radio promo when he hits the town, but nothing when the tickets go on sale. He doesn’t even tweet about upcoming sales or send out emails. It just happens. This is what amazes me.

Then you should have compared the winners by votes instead of winners by beating someone in a competition not requiring votes. You can’t say Federer ever beat Nadal because he was more popular and got more votes.

ITA, Those competitions are not a good example. The presidential race is based on 1 vote per person. If I learned anything is that winning the American Idol title is just that a title. What you do with it after is what counts. The hot trend with AI is #2 is the new #1.

Well, what really matters is what the contestants do after the the show is over. I think they both, if not all, got what they came for. Exposure. AI really is only a stepping stone in their lives and careers.

Hair splitting like that will give you loose ends.

It’s not hair splitting. It’s one of the fundamental concepts of Common Law. Jury’s do not vote people innocent. They vote guilty or not-guilty (beyond a reasonable doubt). Common Law holds that it is better to set 10 guilty people free than to send one innocent person to jail.

Other codes used in some countries deem that you are guilty until proven innocent (i.e. it is better to send an innocent person to jail than allow a guilty person to get off).

No jury has ever said that OJ is innocent (just that they didn’t feel they had enough evidence to send him to jail).

It doesn’t really matter to me what the venue size is. It is so exciting to know that he is selling them out without little to no promo.

He announced the tour on Ryan Seacrest’s show, did a telephone press conference last week with media from across the country, talked about the tour on ET, it’s being promoted by VH1, and 19 seems to have struck some deal with Eventful. He talked about it on the OHP appearance. He’s also done local press, and it was mentioned by Brian Mansfield in a non-idol related section of USA Today. That’s a lot of publicity.

*frustrated sigh*

Looking at stubhub, some of the tickets aren’t going as fast as they expected, so they are selling them at or below face value, which is good for fans.

I think it’s one or two shows in the midwest in out-of-the-beaten-path areas. Scalpers don’t know he probably won’t be as popular in certain regions. They just see “concert” and “Adam Lambert”.

ITA, Those competitions are not a good example. The presidential race is based on 1 vote per person.

Gah! Each voting competition has their own rules. AI allows multiple votes per person, but they allow children to vote. Does that mean the US President isn’t the real president because my 7 year old doesn’t get a say in that matter? No. It just means that the two competitions have different rules.

Whoever wins by the rules of the competition wins. IMO. Just because I don’t like one of the rules doesn’t mean the winner isn’t the real winner.

Perfect analogies are difficult to find.

The hot trend with AI is #2 is the new #1.

That saying has been in use for 9 Seasons.

Hair splitting like that will give you loose ends.

Loose ends or not, some people just prefer to reside in the “reality-based” universe.

And since when is understanding how the U.S. justice system actually works “hair splitting”? Not that it’s relevant to American Idol, but then again who brought OJ into the discussion?

Lee won the show. It’s done and over. And given the attention span of the average American, it’s no doubt distant history.

Each voting competition has their own rules. AI allows multiple votes per person, but they allow children to vote. Does that mean the US President isn’t the real president because my 7 year old doesn’t get a say in that matter? No. It just means that the two competitions have slightly different rules.

lol Thanks for the laugh Kirsten.

The hot trend with AI is #2 is the new #1.

ROTFLMAO. Hot trend? Alrighty then.

Anyway, this year results wasn’t like some major upset. The media isn’t making a big issue out of it so Lee won’t get any serious backlash. Although that press release was a sorry excuse for a press release. Time will tell, but I do feel Lee is the winner based on AI rules so here’s hoping TPTB feel the same way.

And given the attention span of the average American, it’s no doubt distant history.

This is very true.

The hot trend with AI is #2 is the new #1.

That saying has been in use for 9 Seasons.

Yes it has. Everyone will always believe that their favorite deserved to win, why wouldn’t people think that. I can point you to a Diana DeGarmo board where they are still spewing hatred about Fantasia, and we won’t even go into what the Bo Bice fans think of Carrie.

For AI fans, trying to prove that they were right about their favorite being better is like a hobby.

I’ve always liked the idea of a three contestant finale myself. That could be fun.

But Idol is a voting contest. The person with the most votes wins. Period. End of story.

LOL, that’s pretty much it. It doesn’t matter if you like who won – they still won, which makes them… the real winner.

How did this devolve to OJ and political systems? What a strange tangent!

But you win AI by getting the most votes. So if you get the most votes, you are the real winner.

Winning AI is like winning a professional wrestling match. The outcome is known before the match begins. The bells and whistles and voting is all part of the show but has no influence on the outcome. So yes Lee and Kris won on paper but not by their talent. IMHO

and we won’t even go into what the Bo Bice fans think of Carrie.

Do I have to hand in my Bice fancard because I actually like Carrie?

Most votes = winner. It’s kind of the point of the show, lol. Of course the winner is the real winner.

America’s judges did pick Lee over Crystal. Big deal. Terrible decisions and bad choices are made everyday. Custer made a bad decision at Little Big Horn. Joe Montana wasn’t chosen until the 3rd round. The Indians decided to sell Manhattan for some beads and trinkets. America’s most popular celebrities are Kate Gosselin and Paris Hilton. Our wealthiest investors decided to give their money to Bernie Madoff.

Bad decisions are a fact of life. Hopefully you won’t make too many of them in your life.

Cool picture on Adam’s Meet & Greet pass for tonights show.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/113537569.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1276199015&Signature=JWJU1%2F%2Bh927YOVCRsPTt2ce6nhk%3D

So yes Lee and Kris won on paper but not by their talent. IMHO

Oh, God, please don’t go there. Just because *you* don’t think that they were the most talented, doesn’t mean you need to disparage the opinions of the people who voted for them, who were the majority (or at least voted more often, which is still fine because Crystal/Adam fans could have done the same). The whole line of argument about who should have won/who is better is so incredibly subjective, I will never understand the need to argue about it.

OK, sorry MJ, I shouldn’t scold anyone, I just can’t stand to see *that* argument pop back up again, lol.

Winning AI is like winning a professional wrestling match. The outcome is known before the match begins. The bells and whistles and voting is all part of the show but has no influence on the outcome. So yes Lee and Kris won on paper but not by their talent. IMHO

Lee and Kris won by getting people to pick up the phone and vote for them. Adam and Crystal had the same number of chances to get people to vote for them. Not liking the outcome doesn’t change what happened, or that nobody outside of AI message boards really cares.

dup, posted above

Judee:
06/10/2010 at 2:03 pm

I think they chose right venues for Adam. They can always book an extra concert if neccessary. And he can negotiate better venue fees when he’s selling them out. It can really help him a lot to get down the prizes of booking fees, because as an unestablished artist he was initially on the high end of the scale (35%, maybe even 40%), but when he shows he can sell out, his position in these negotiations is much better and he can get himself maybe to 25% (the numbers are wild guesses of course). How many extra concerts did they book? I know about the fair in cali, San francisco, now maybe they’ll try San Diego. That’s 3 shows out of 70, so i would say they did booked the right venues for him. Not all the venues are selling out in minutes, the majority is not.

First Hi Judee….second I agree with part of the premise of your post but I think the issue is not did he sellout in minutes but that he has sold out in a good portion of his venues. Whether they are bought big time by scalpers or not. Scalper don’t buy up tickets unless they can get a rate of return on them. They seem to still be buying up the venues so its not like in the beginning they thought they could get a rate of return and now it has fizzled. I think it is a huge testament that a person who has sold 660K (roughly) in the USA is selling out his headlining tour with out problem. Most likely by the time the tour is over most will be sold out or over 95% capacity. That % is a hell of a lot better then those who have sold millions but can’t sell their tour. It makes me wonder why that has happened. Interesting point I want to share I have a few friends and acquaintances who for some reason have not purchased Adam album but have gotten or are trying to get tickets to his concert. I asked why would you pay $40-50 for a concert ticket but not $10-15 for an album. Most of them said they can get the music but to see him live is an experience they don’t want to pass up. I said you can see the videos on line and they laugh….not the same thing. I think it remains to be seen how many concerts are going to be added and how many more are going to be extra added concerts in city that the venues sold out and demand is still high. I also predict right now that after his Worldwide tour he will come back to the USA and do a few more concerts to close out the GlamNation tour and that is when he will ask for a better rate of return and where I then agree with your post. JMHO

Does that all make sense. I don’t think I am saying it correctly sorry for not being clearer.

Winning AI is like winning a professional wrestling match. The outcome is known before the match begins. The bells and whistles and voting is all part of the show but has no influence on the outcome. So yes Lee and Kris won on paper but not by their talent. IMHO

There are some pretty obvious federal laws about this kind of stuff. If it’s a gameshow (and, for all intents and purposes, AI is that, because of the prize offered at the end), it has to basically be forward with its practices and set observable standards. So, no, it’s not really like that at all.

Do I have to hand in my Bice fancard because I actually like Carrie?

Sorry, I should have said some. I just find this whole thing funny sometimes. A while back I was looking for some information on Chris Daughtry, and I came across a Taylor Hicks fan site that had compiled a list of what seemed like every negative review that Chris has gotten. Some David Cook fans lost their minds about Archie answering phones for the Haiti telethon, and it just goes on and on. Sometimes I don’t even think it’s about the former contestants, the whole thing just seems to be an outlet for how people amuse themselves.

I just don’t understand the need to say that someone won the competition when they didn’t. Since most of these people received contracts, and everyone is working to achieve their dream, what does it matter who won?

Winning AI is like winning a professional wrestling match. The outcome is known before the match begins. The bells and whistles and voting is all part of the show but has no influence on the outcome.

Yes, it was so obvious from the first frame of the auditions that the producers had pre-determined that Kris and Lee would win. Except, not.

Producers will try to influence the end result, but they don’t always get what they want. So, it is a competition and quite unlike professional wrestling if you ask me. It is a competition for votes. You have to somehow motivate people at home to vote for you and for some to vote like fiends. The voters decide the winner, not the producers. And the producers frequently get pissed about that.

I think in professional wrestling, the producers always get what they planned to have happen. Wrestling is a scripted show. Idol has story arcs, but it cannot completely control what ends up happening.

Anyone care about SYTYCD tonight? I do! And VOTING starts next week! LOL.

The outcome is known before the match begins. The bells and whistles and voting is all part of the show but has no influence on the outcome

Patently false. Why is it so difficult for people to believe that there are different tastes in music? Just because one person thinks their favorite “has the best voice”, “has the most fans”, doesn’t mean they’ve earned the most votes.

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952:
06/10/2010 at 3:03 pm
Well, what really matters is what the contestants do after the the show is over. I think they both, if not all, got what they came for. Exposure. AI really is only a stepping stone in their lives and careers.

I agree, this is what this show is all about, to get exposure so you can get a record deal and hopefully a real career in the music business. There are no guarantees that winning or coming in runner up, is going to help you sell your music and get people to come to your concerts. If your talented and with some luck, you end up making a album that connects with people and they become long term fans.

Yes it has. Everyone will always believe that their favorite deserved to win, why wouldn’t people think that. I can point you to a Diana DeGarmo board where they are still spewing hatred about Fantasia, and we won’t even go into what the Bo Bice fans think of Carrie.

Ain’t that the truth? And it’s always the same. My favorite lost because:

1. The producers/judges stacked the deck against them
2. The voting audience is too old/young/female/tasteless/prejudiced
3. The voting system is flawed
4. My contestant was just too unusual an Idol contestant for people, he/she is TOO GOOD for this stupid show
5. The media hates him/her, they brainwashed the public

And then afterwards, my contestant is the real winner because:

1. They sold more records
2. They had a longer/bigger/more sold out tour
3. They have artistic integrity
4. They have younger, hipper fans
5. Their single(s) charted higher/sold better
6. The media loves my boy/girl more

And yes, I can make a similar list for the musings of fans of the winner. LOL.

Meanwhile, every time somebody makes a list of AI winners, the names never change. Imagine that?

Oh, and I flove Crystal. But she lost. And some of it was (gasp!) probably her fault. And she will have a career anyway. Because that is how it works.

and we won’t even go into what the Bo Bice fans think of Carrie.

And things are mild now. If you werent following season 4 you dont know how despised Carrie was, there were BOOS when she won from the audience, on the red carpet everyone being interviewed was rooting for Bo, by the end of the season the media viewed her as the boring one and Bo was the more daring true talent who would go on to be the real winner. Yep that worked out well! Really, it happens every year with the whole “my favorite is the real winner and he/she didnt need to win anyway”. Sometimes that reflects in sales (see Clay, Adam and Chris), sometimes it doesnt. But its hardly some trend.

I’m guessing Adam sold about 160K of FYE the first week (honestly can’t remember the figure). Call that his dedicated fan base.

Assume that a % of those folks will be seeing his concert. Add in their spouses, kid(s), friend(s) because most folks don’t go to concerts alone. Add in new fans that Adam made from WWFM, hard core fans who go to multiple shows and you probably have a number equal to his first week’s sales. Adam may struggle to get radio play and/or sell albums but I think he will always have a good career touring.

If by the ones who sell millions but can’t sell out their tours…I assume you mean Christina Aguilera? When she was selling millions, she was selling out big venues. But that’s 4-5 years ago. Who knows what the future holds for anyone from Idol in 4-5 years.

Any speculation on who Casey would have been meeting with in Nashville? Would he most likely be signed to the same label as Danny, since presumably 19 wouldn’t have released their rights to him yet? I think Casey is awesome, and could potentially do really well in the country genre (therefore he is the real winner obviously). Also, his dog twicpics are adorable.

I just want to say I think for Adam and Kris having platinum selling singles and summer concert tours is what is important to them. I really don’t think either give a crap about who won American Idol in 2009. They both got record deals are making music and a hell of a lot of money (in the millions) The only time winning mattered was on May 20, 2009. Its a new day and new prizes and titles to be won. The same goes for Lee and Crystal except the date May 26, 2010 but now their are new challenges and bigger prizes to be won. IMHO

Meanwhile, every time somebody makes a list of AI winners, the names never change. Imagine that?

I loved seeing those seven people at Disney World last year. I’ll admit that I cried seeing them all together on that stage, mainly because they are such a talented group, and each of them deserves to work in the field that they love. And I got teary seeing the seven, minus David, at this year’s finale. I’m happy for everyone who had the guts to compete on the show.

Just to clear up a misconception…electing the President of the US IS NOT and has never been 1 person 1 vote. I don’t get to vote for the President, I get to vote for the person I want to cast a vote in the electoral college…and I then hope like hell that that person will cast a vote for the person I want. And since the electoral college votes are based on state population….states with lots of people are more influential in the electoral college then the one I come from. We have had a President serve who was not voted in by the majority of the voters…hello ‘W’. Alrighty then..back to our usual scheduled programming.

jpfan:
06/10/2010 at 3:40 pm

I’m guessing Adam sold about 150K of FYE the first week (honestly can’t remember the figure). Call that his dedicated fan base.

It was a 199K

Dhunken, I think when Adam returns from his international tour, he’ll take a break from touring for at least a couple of weeks to a month. I read his international tour was extended, which will go into Dec. When he comes back, it will be close to the holidays. So, if he resumes a tour, it will most likely be 2011. They may rethink his venue size during that time. Hopefully, his fanclub will be up and running for his next tour.

Thanks Michael Slezak! Once again an amazing interview!! The pleasure of watching MS interview someone, is always made doubly good when I am a big fan of that person, and triply good when he is too!! It’s just full of huh hah and whatnot!!! (I hope I got that right.)

Elliegrll:
06/10/2010 at 3:23 pm

For AI fans, trying to prove that they were right about their favorite being better is like a hobby.

It is, but it is a game the press likes to play as much or more than the fans.

Bad decisions are a fact of life. Hopefully you won’t make too many of them in your life.

That’s an curious statement considering you don’t even know who I voted for each season, or whether I even did vote. Some seasons I did, some seasons my favorite was voted off early. Sometimes my favorite didn’t win, sometimes they did. And that doesn’t even matter, because the winner is still the person who gets the most votes. Unless the vote is 100% unanimous, there will always be disagreement.

But thank you for the concern about my life decisions.

I for one am really happy that Crystal was on the show, because I may not have gotten a chance to have heard her. I don’t care if she won or not, because she is the only one I will be buying a cd / download from.

BB200
1 3 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC, SHO 44,734 62,947 -29 243,492
9 * AIKEN*CLAY TRIED & TRUE 21,705 10 999 21,716
24 24 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 15,480 15,878 -3 1,575,289
41 34 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC V1 9,502 10,214 -7 863,481
36 39 GLEE CAST POWER OF MADONNA 8,580 10,898 -21 200,300
44 40 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC, V2 8,567 9,065 -5 651,674
77 72 DAUGHTRY LEAVE THIS TOWN 5,850 6,015 -3 1,069,695
72 78 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5,301 6,169 -14 656,820
89 108 BOYLE*SUSAN I DREAMED A DREAM 4,671 5,272 -11 3,751,298
110 131 AMERICAN IDOL AMERICAN IDOL – SEASON 9 3,760 4,690 -20 20,583
147 * DAUGHTRY DAUGHTRY 3,547 2,488 43 4,682,775

Eileen99:
06/10/2010 at 3:42 pm
Any speculation on who Casey would have been meeting with in Nashville? Would he most likely be signed to the same label as Danny, since presumably 19 wouldn’t have released their rights to him yet? I think Casey is awesome, and could potentially do really well in the country genre

He also has adorable tweets. Speaking of VOTING (ahem) here are a few recent ones:

CaseyEJames Hi there!!

CaseyEJames I want to thank everyone for the kind words and prayers today. My meeting went well. I can’t say anything yet, but I feel really great.

CaseyEJames Speaking of thanks! I just realized that I haven’t thanked you yet. Thanks a zillion everyone that voted for me! I love you!!

CaseyEJames And thanks to those who voted regardless of who it was. You changed peoples lives and made dreams come true. We owe you.

That’s an curious statement considering you don’t even know who I voted for each season, or whether I even did vote.

I meant “you” as in “one”, i.e “Hopefully one won’t make too many bad decisions in one’s life”. I assure you I was not referring to you specifically, because that would be rude and nonsensical for all the reasons you mentioned above.

Tess, you are right about the electoral college votes and I swear that whole super delegates voting system was an eye opener for me. I always felt the presidential race was *cough* done deal*cough* even before my vote was counted.

Taylor Hicks

Vermont – Saturday, Sept. 18 @ 8pm ••
Tickets: Online 6/1 Phone/Box Office 6/3
http://www.paramountvt.org/shows_details.php?show_id=80

J9BT:

CaseyEJames And thanks to those who voted regardless of who it was. You changed peoples lives and made dreams come true. We owe you.

*sigh* After that boy popped out, they broke the mold.

Why can’t my daughter be just a few years older???

Just to clear up a misconception…electing the President of the US IS NOT and has never been 1 person 1 vote. I don’t get to vote for the President, I get to vote for the person I want to cast a vote in the electoral college…and I then hope like hell that that person will cast a vote for the person I want. And since the electoral college votes are based on state population….states with lots of people are more influential in the electoral college then the one I come from. We have had a President serve who was not voted in by the majority of the voters…hello ‘W’. Alrighty then..back to our usual scheduled programming.

It would be political suicide for the people who are representing your state in the electoral college to vote against their party, so you don’t need to do a lot of praying. But, the comparison is still a good one.

Assume that a % of those folks will be seeing his concert. Add in their spouses, kid(s), friend(s) because most folks don’t go to concerts alone. Add in new fans that Adam made from WWFM and you probably have the number of folks going to his shows (which probably is the same as the first week sales of his album). Don’t forget to factor in the super hard core of fans that go to multiple shows.

I think Adam’s “money” so to speak will be in the live performances. He may struggle to get radio play and/or sell albums but I think he will always have a good career touring.

I won’t mention any names, but I don’t think Adam is in a genre of music where it is easy to be successful without getting radio play. There are some genres where the people are used to seeking their favorite types of music through other means, whether it’s at festivals, online, or any number of avenues, but I don’t think that’s the case with those who lie Pop music.

I don’t think 19 has a clue how to market and promote someone who isn’t getting played on the radio. I want Crystal to release the same type of music that she was doing pre-Idol, but since it’s not what’s currently popular on the radio, I don’t think either Jive or 19 would know how to do it in a way that would still allow Crystal to be successful.

Taylor Hicks

Vermont – Saturday, Sept. 18 @ 8pm ••
Tickets: Online 6/1 Phone/Box Office 6/3
http://www.paramountvt.org/shows_details.php?show_id=80

Sweet! I go to college there so I’m looking forward to this!

72 78 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5,301 6,169 -14 656,820
89 108 BOYLE*SUSAN I DREAMED A DREAM 4,671 5,272 -11 3,751,298

OMG Adam outsold Susan Boyle! It took six months but hey there it is in Black and White. WooHoo!…..J/K Um.. Don’t pay attention to those pesky cumulative numbers.

I know the examiner is frowned upon here, but I thought that was funny.

Viral video of the week.

CaseyEJames And thanks to those who voted regardless of who it was. You changed peoples lives and made dreams come true. We owe you.

To me this sums up the whole voting conversation pretty well….it doesn’t matter who won or didn’t, lives were changed and dreams came true………Right On!

Winning AI is like winning a professional wrestling match. The outcome is known before the match begins. The bells and whistles and voting is all part of the show but has no influence on the outcome. So yes Lee and Kris won on paper but not by their talent. IMHO

the outcome is faulty or fixed ONLY when your favorite doesnt win. same story, different season.

I agree that making it in Pop without radio play is tough. However, I can see Adam moving to a more HAC/cabaret type performer in the future. After he ages out of the Pop market in 2-5 years.( I’m not using cabaret as a negative.)

SuBo needs to put out an uptempo dance song with B.O.B. She’d blow Ke$ha out of the water.

Hahaha dhunken
*fist bump* Go Adam!!!!

I won’t mention any names, but I don’t think Adam is in a genre of music where it is easy to be successful without getting radio play. There are some genres where the people are used to seeking their favorite types of music through other means, whether it’s at festivals, online, or any number of avenues, but I don’t think that’s the case with those who lie Pop music.

Well I disagree. I believe all those other means you say has also worked very well for Adam. TV, online, media,magazines, twitter etc.
At this stage in his career he still needs radio but Adam can’t do Pop music forever due to his age, but he also falls nicely in Hac radio if that is where radio prefers him to be. He also has his international career that he is working on. Pink is currently touring in Europe and she recently thanked her European fans for being there for her when US radio has totally disregarded her. She performs for arenas with over 50,000 people. Pink hasn’t had a Pop hit in years and she clearly resents it. So Adam will be fine.

dhunken:
06/10/2010 at 4:01 pm
OMG Adam outsold Susan Boyle! It took six months but hey there it is in Black and White. WooHoo!…..J/K Um.. Don’t pay attention to those pesky cumulative numbers.

You missed it Dhunken, he’s been outselling her for a few weeks on a weekly basis. Cumulative, well..lol.

jpfan:
06/10/2010 at 4:08 pm

I agree that making it in Pop without radio play is tough. However, I can see Adam moving to a more HAC/cabaret type performer in the future. After he ages out of the Pop market in 2-5 years.

I’m not using cabaret as a negative. SuBo needs to put out an uptempo dance song with B.O.B. She’d blow Ke$ha out of the water.

I actually think he is going to move out of pop on the next album…don’t know about the cabaret type unless you’re leaning more to the Soaked/Broken Open type of songs. Maybe. I think his next album he is going to lean more Rock maybe even a more indie sound. ( I also think he will become more popular that way too. He will still keep his style though )

I would actually pay money for the B.O.B. Susan Boyle Collaboration.

I meant “you” as in “one”, i.e “Hopefully one won’t make too many bad decisions in one’s life”. I assure you I was not referring to you specifically, because that would be rude and nonsensical for all the reasons you mentioned above.

I appreciate that explanation, as your post did not read that way as I was specifically quoted.

I don’t think 19 has a clue how to market and promote someone who isn’t getting played on the radio. I want Crystal to release the same type of music that she was doing pre-Idol, but since it’s not what’s currently popular on the radio, I don’t think either Jive or 19 would know how to do it in a way that would still allow Crystal to be successful.

That is what worries me about Crystal. Because if we’ve learned anything from watching the careers of certain contestants after Idol, it’s that Idol doesn’t really think outside the CHR box, which is frightening in talking about any number of contestants (Taylor, Melinda, Crystal, others). Hopefully, they’ll come up with something that balances the two effectively (playing more to AC and to the live shows and festivals), but considering Jive… gah.

*sigh* After that boy popped out, they broke the mold.

Why can’t my daughter be just a few years older???

LOL. Well, tell “your daughter” that Casey is having a twitter party when he gets back to LA:

CaseyEJames Twitter party when I get back to L.A.

CaseyEJames And thanks to those who voted regardless of who it was. You changed peoples lives and made dreams come true. We owe you.

Wise man indeed.

Pink is currently touring in Europe and she recently thanked her European fans for being there for her when US radio has totally disregarded her. She performs for arenas with over 50,000 people. Pink hasn’t had a Pop hit in years and she clearly resents it.

I saw that and it’s amazing to me that Katy Perry and Kesha can top the pop charts and Pink can’t. It’s definitely not always about talent.

Kanadie Bonttell:
06/10/2010 at 4:02 pm
CaseyEJames And thanks to those who voted regardless of who it was. You changed peoples lives and made dreams come true. We owe you.

To me this sums up the whole voting conversation pretty well….it doesn’t matter who won or didn’t, lives were changed and dreams came true………Right On!

yep ….*voting Casey’s twit best of the day*

So What went to #1 on the BB Hot 100 and that was in 2008. So Pink had a big hit as recently as two years ago. I guess it’s been harder in the past two years for her. She can’t complain too much though (according to Wikipeda):

“Pink is the #1 Pop Song Artist of the Decade (2000–2009) according to Billboard’s Decade End Chart. She has also scored ten Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 US hits, including eight as a solo artist, and won two Grammy Awards, 5 MTV Music Awards and 2 Brit Awards… To date, Pink has sold over 30 million albums worldwide and over 50 million singles.”

At this stage in his career he still needs radio but Adam can’t do Pop music forever due to his age, but he also falls nicely in Hac radio if that is where radio prefers him to be. He also has his international career that he is working on. Pink is currently touring in Europe and she recently thanked her European fans for being there for her when US radio has totally disregarded her. She performs for arenas with over 50,000 people. Pink hasn’t had a Pop hit in years and she clearly resents it. So Adam will be fine.

Pink’s last album was all over top 40, from where I was sitting in my car going back and forth to school. I can think of at least three off the latest album. I mean, US radio has completely disregarded her, what?

CindyMYou missed it Dhunken, he’s been outselling her for a few weeks on a weekly basis. Cumulative, well..lol.

What and no fanfare no fireworks…..Seriously didn’t know. Even though she has sold more cumulative I think it goes well that he is staying consistent. with his sales now. I think he could increase album sales if Radio would ADD/play IIHY. IMHO. sjopu*&ao$$#sjoiu Radio

That is what worries me about Crystal. Because if we’ve learned anything from watching the careers of certain contestants after Idol, it’s that Idol doesn’t really think outside the CHR box, which is frightening in talking about any number of contestants (Taylor, Melinda, Crystal, others).

That’s why it seems so weird that she went to Jive. It also seemed weird that Kris went there too, but a little more understandable.

I never say that the person who won the French Open isn’t the real winner when the person they beat goes on to beat them at Wimbledon. It’s a new competition. The winner who wins at Wimbledon can be the real winner at Wimbledon. The person who goes on to have the best career post Idol will have the best career post Idol. Lee will still be the real winner American Idol Season 9.

I say, let’s change the rules!!!!!! let’s vote for the winners of all tournaments!!!!!!!

Please no rotten tomatoes…but I see Adam as being the Neil Diamond of his generation (with a better voice, greater performance skills, and more chutzpa (or however the hell you spell it)).

I don’t believe Neil has ever had a number one song or really been all that popular on the radio but he has, for years and years, sold out arenas and stadiums and every kind of tour site. I believe he has sold 40 million albums stateside and another 70 million around the world. He is (was) loved as a performer and his sequined shirts and tight pants are legendary. And as the “creator” of the lighters, then flashlights, and now cell phones used to “brighten” up the audience during Heart Light (is that the correct title?) he will always be remembered for that moment which is a staple in live performances to this day.

I do think that Adam will get his fair share of great albums, high ranking singles, and some top 10 radio hits…but I believe his ultimate claim to fame (like Diamond) will be in his touring. And not small cabaret type venues but huge arenas and stadiums. No matter what, Peeps still love their live performers…and once they find one that wiggles their pee pee they will be loyal for a hell of a long time.

Mark:
06/10/2010 at 4:20 pm
Pink’s last album was all over top 40, from where I was sitting in my car going back and forth to school. I can think of at least three off the latest album. I mean, US radio has completely disregarded her, what?

You’re right. From Wiki: Pink is the #1 Pop Song Artist of the Decade (2000–2009) according to Billboard’s Decade End Chart.[1] She has also scored ten Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 US hits, including eight as a solo artist, and won two Grammy Awards, 5 MTV Music Awards and 2 Brit Awards.

So, why did she say that? Because I read it too. Weird.

However, I can see Adam moving to a more HAC/cabaret type performer in the future. After he ages out of the Pop market in 2-5 years.

Adam’s already played in cabarets. I don’t see him going backwards in his career. He is just too talented.

I can see Adam co-headlining arenas with Xtina when she is ready to resume her tour. It seems so far, her single(s) aren’t too well received, so she may need a little reinforcement. I would say ticket splits 40/60 with Adam taking the 40, or even 30/70.

“I say, let’s change the rules!!!!! Let’s vote for thr winners of all tournaments!!!!!!!

I say we vote for the loser. So that was you win the vote but still lose and everyone goes home happy

You’re right. From Wiki: Pink is the #1 Pop Song Artist of the Decade (2000–2009) according to Billboard’s Decade End Chart.[1] She has also scored ten Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 US hits, including eight as a solo artist, and won two Grammy Awards, 5 MTV Music Awards and 2 Brit Awards.

So, why did she say that? Because I read it too. Weird.

I don’t really know why… looking at Wiki, I guess Top 20 isn’t quite enough for her? Because she had 4 singles on that album go Top 20, one to the very top of the charts. Maybe that’s not Ke_ha, but it’s not negligible either.

Sony Music Canada tweeted this, why are they camping? For the awards show?

@sony_music
Here it is, @adamlambert fans camping outside @Muchmusic ! http://twitpic.com/1vjzaa Now that’s devotion!

Madonna’s 50+ and she was the top moneymaker in touring a couple of years ago. Just saying.

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So What went to #1 on the BB Hot 100 and that was in 2008. So Pink’s had a big hit as recently as two years ago

Pink has been around for how long now? How many hit songs has she had in her career for someone who is clearly more talented than the britney, Keisha, Katy, Gaga, There is no auto tuning for Pink. Her music is way better than those other girls.

Madonna’s 50+ and she was the top moneymaker in touring a couple of years ago. Just saying.

Yes, but she’s also Madonna. Just saying.

That’s why it seems so weird that she went to Jive. It also seemed weird that Kris went there too, but a little more understandable.

My one hope for Crystal is that since Kris is already there, maybe it will help her to not be the first of her broader “type” to go to jive. Because while they are very different, Kris and Crystal do have the common thread of being ultimately classified as the singer-songwriter type, and both have show themselves capable of performing with guitar, at the piano and without an instrument.

sr4mjc
Theey are probably to either win or buy tickets to the award show or a meet and greet.

Pink has been around for how long now? How many hit songs has she had in her career for someone who is clearly more talented than the britney, Keisha, Katy, Gaga, There is no auto tuning for Pink. Her music is way better than those other girls.

She’s amazing. I’ll never for the life of me understand the popularity of Britney.

Pink has been around for how long now? How many hit songs has she had in her career for someone who is clearly more talented than the britney, Keisha, Katy, Gaga, There is no auto tuning for Pink. Her music is way better than those other girls.

I agree that her music is better, and she’s been around for about a decade, and I agree that if you were to do some mathematical conversion of talent ratio (however you’d ever do that) and sales, that Pink should be selling more than at least Britney, Ke_ha and Katy. Still, if you’re going to champion someone to be the person unfairly ignored by radio despite considerable talent and material, Pink’s a bit of an odd choice.

No matter what, Peeps still love their live performers…and once they find one that wiggles their pee pee they will be loyal for a hell of a long time.

I have no comment but just felt this needed to be posted again..

You know, I could care less who sells the most albums. All that matters to me is that I feel fortunate the show provided me with a singer/performer who I really, really like (Crystal), and my hope is that she puts out a ton of albums that I will also really, really like. I’m certainly not worried that she’ll be wanting for money, food or shelter moving forward.

Why does anyone care how big or famous these contestants become? As far as I’m concerned it’s all about the music that I look forward to buying and enjoying, and absolutely nothing else.

Kris and Lee will never be the real winners because they were not the best singers….they were the safest choice for the producers. IMHO

Yeah, except when the most popular person actually doesn’t win, their popularity is reflected in sales numbers, as happened with Daughtry and Clay Aiken.

Crystal’s numbers have been very low and it’s now obvious that Lee was outselling everyone on iTunes prior to the finale. So he’s the real winner based both on sales and votes. I don’t know how else you can measure it.

I think people who say Lee’s not the real winner usually mean “he’s not the winner I wanted.” Which is perfectly fine, but does not in any way take away from his win.

Same for Kris – he sold half of what Adam has sold with one twentieth of the promotion and probably one-tenth of the expenditure. I’m not buying that that proves he didn’t really win. Adam’s numbers have not been at all impressive given the money that has been poured into his career. I believe they reflect the fact that he’s not, even now, the superstar TPTB tried to persuade us that he was. (Kris the producer’s favorite? Really? I could have sworn they kept telling me how FABULOUS Adam was. Must have imagined that).

So I’ve only read a few of the last two pages of comments and I’m confused. Am I correct in understanding that we’re rehashing seasons 4, 8, and 9, GWBush’s presidency and the OJ verdict?

Pretty much. including some rudimentary lessons about common law and game show ethics for good measure.

You know, I could care less who sells the most albums. All that matters to me is that I feel fortunate the show provided me with a singer/performer who I really, really like (Crystal), and my hope is that she puts out a ton of albums that I will also really, really like. I’m certainly not worried that she’ll be wanting for money, food or shelter moving forward.

Why does anyone care how big or famous these contestants become? As far as I’m concerned it’s all about the music that I look forward to buying and enjoying, and absolutely nothing else.

Amen!

Ain’t that the truth? And it’s always the same. My favorite lost because:

1. The producers/judges stacked the deck against them
2. The voting audience is too old/young/female/tasteless/prejudiced
3. The voting system is flawed
4. My contestant was just too unusual an Idol contestant for people, he/she is TOO GOOD for this stupid show
5. The media hates him/her, they brainwashed the public

I don’t care much about wheter the “real winner” got it in the end or not. But the discussion about wheter the voting system is flawed or not goes beyond the fact that Adam or Crystal lost.

It’s a system that gives a premium to organized fanbases over casual voters, the only goal being to get the maximum money for AT&T.
To a certain point it’s ok since this type of commitment should translate to the real world but when you can have people texting maybee 5 000 or more votes, it becomes ridiculous. For me it taints the whatever credibility the show has.
As far as gender and race issues, I think there’s enough evidence out there of that being a factor.

I remember a interview Pink did, and she talked about her career and why she likes to tour overseas a lot. She makes a lot more money and they appreciate her style and music. If you look at the number of platinums albums she has outside the US, especially in Germany and Australia, you would be amazed. Pink is not shy about speaking her mind and you get the impression that she feels that she don’t get enough respect in the US.

So, why did she say that? Because I read it too. Weird.

I didn’t read it, It came straight from her mouth. But yeah she may not be getting #1s but those accomplishments are nothing to sneeze at. I guess it must be a struggle for her to get to #1. Again I’ll take those accomplishment any day for Adam.

I’ll never for the life of me understand the popularity of Britney.

IMO, she falls into the category of JoBros, JBieber, Miley, Hanson Bros, etc. Immense talent gives you longevity. Mediocre talent does not. JoBros are already going downhill (they are still doing great, but not like before). Hanson who?

ETA: Except Britney has been/will have been more successful than the aforementioned.

Adam’s numbers have not been at all impressive given the money that has been poured into his career.

Well maybe you’re not impressed, but I am. Album sales more than double the winner of S8 along with a plantinum single and a number of gold and platinum certifications around the world. I’d say he’s doing just fine.

“I say, let’s change the rules!!!!! Let’s vote for thr winners of all tournaments!!!!!!!

I agree…and lets go back and correct a lot of the injustices of years past starting with February 21, 1978 County Swimming Championships, Rockland County. Where I came in second by .0023 seconds in the 100 yd backstroke. I will put in a petition. You all will vote for me right!!

Dhunken
I would totally vote for you!!! Us MJ peeps gotta stick together

I think P!nk, like many other really good singers, are wondering how the terribly untalented, auto-tuned, lazy vocalists who make up a good portion of top 20 Artists can be so “loved” by the fans. Artists like Pink know they have an amazing talent and they are probably (because they are human too, with human emotions) wondering how the Peeps out in listener land can be so enamored with many of the talentless hacks that invade the airways.

Many artists work and train for a long time..perfecting their gift and their craft and then they are passed over in favor of auto-tune misfits. I, personally, am appalled at the radio listening audience and their stunted musical intelligence. But then, it is common to idolize people who have less to offer then the listener. That way people buying music are totally in control and they just tend to feel superior…hell, I would think it would be hard to feel superior to someone with perfect pitch and voice control but ain’t so hard when someone can barely sing three notes in tune. And these are just my personal feelings and I am speaking about my impressions of listeners (especially of pop, hip hop, and rap) and not anyone in particular. No “slams” intended.

Well maybe you’re not impressed, but I am. Album sales more than double the winner of S8 along with a plantinum single and a number of gold and platinum certifications around the world. I’d say he’s doing just fine.

Well let’s keep some things regarding the winner in mind here:
1. He hasn’t been marketed all over the place overseas. It’s hard to get certifications on something in Australia or Germany if it’s not available for purchase there.
2. The money being spent does not compare because he is more low key in his performance style.

All things considered, the guy who won is doing very well with what is likely less out of pocket expense. But I know this comment is about to be jumped all over, even if it fact.

Adam in two German magazines

Bravo Magazine – http://i48.tinypic.com/5bebyv.jpg

Hey! Magazine – http://i45.tinypic.com/33o5zyt.jpg

From this tweet: mari_rodri: Adam Lambert on German Magazines: Bravo: http://bit.ly/cxoD2y – Hey!:http://bit.ly/9BGEGp (Thanks to @maggy_97)

This makes me laugh. (Exchange on twitter)

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It’s a system that gives a premium to organized fanbases over casual voters, the only goal being to get the maximum money for AT&T.
To a certain point it’s ok since this type of commitment should translate to the real world but when you can have people texting maybee 5 000 or more votes, it becomes ridiculous. For me it taints the whatever credibility the show has.

Others definitely feel the same way as you, but I disagree. All contestants have the same opportunity to pull from the same pool of fans to create a fanbase. It should be clear from the comments on MJs alone that people who share a favorite Idol one year can have completely different faves from each other the next year. To me this means that the votes are up for grabs each year. The same voting rules apply to all contestants. Changing the voting rules won’t change the voting fanbase, IMO.

It’s a system that gives power to the people that choose to vote – simple as that.

Pink hasn’t had a Pop hit in years and she clearly resents it. So Adam will be fine.

Huh? I guess I haven’t been following Pop radio, but So What (released in 2008) was a massive hit. Peaked at #1 on BB Hot 100, BB Pop 100 and BB Dance Play 100. It sold 3x platinum in the states. I think the time that she was sort of in the “pop radio” wilderness was with her album before Funhouse (2008), called (ironically enough) I’m Not Dead (2006), which failed to ignite any radio hits until late in the album cycle when it had already dropped out of the BB200. The first single made Top 20 in the US, but that was it. It wasn’t until the third single, U+Ur Hand, that she got back in the Top 10 singles, and actually caused the album to re-enter the BB200.

Adam’s numbers have not been at all impressive given the money that has been poured into his career.

How much money has been spent on him?

Me too Dhunken! The person that clocked you clearly was late pressing the button. I always thought that.

You got the first smile in this thread

I can see Adam co-headlining arenas with Xtina when she is ready to resume her tour. It seems so far, her single(s) aren’t too well received, so she may need a little reinforcement. I would say ticket splits 40/60 with Adam taking the 40, or even 30/70.

sorry, i dont think Xtina needs Adam’s help. she’s in a different league. and although her single(s) have yet to catch fire, so what? Rihanna debuted w. weak opening numbers around the holidays and roulette wasnt well received. oh, i recall the critics and fans mourning her career after her weak Roulette american music awards performance. yet, now months later, Rude Boy topped the charts and nobody is talking about her being ‘irrelevant’. i dont even like xtina, but her career is not in need of assistance from an american idol contestant. however, if adam grabs a billboard number one hit soon, then yes, i could probably see a collaboration. but right now, it wouldn’t make sense. co-headlining? that would be a joke to her and her team.

BornToBeWildAFL:
06/10/2010 at 4:41 pm
So, why did she say that? Because I read it too. Weird.

I didn’t read it, It came straight from her mouth. But yeah she may not be getting #1s but those accomplishments are nothing to sneeze at. I guess it must be a struggle for her to get to #1. Again I’ll take those accomplishment any day for Adam.

According to Billboard, Pink made 36,000,000 dollars, making her the 6th highest grossing artist for 2009. A lot of her money was made overseas doing what she’s doing now, playing to arenas of 50,000 people or more. She’s a really big star over there. I would love for Adam to have even half of her success overseas. She’s worked hard for it and now is reaping the rewards.

Huh? I guess I haven’t been following Pop radio, but So What (released in 2008) was a massive hit. Peaked at #1 on BB Hot 100, BB Pop 100 and BB Dance Play 100. It sold 3x platinum in the states. I think the time that she was sort of in the “pop radio” wilderness was with her album before Funhouse (2008), called (ironically enough) I’m Not Dead (2006), which failed to ignite any radio hits until late in the album cycle when it had already dropped out of the BB200. The first single made Top 20 in the US, but that was it. It wasn’t until the third single, U+Ur Hand, that she got back in the Top 10 singles, and actually caused the album to re-enter the BB200.

Continue reading on. All questions has been answered.

How much money has been spent on him?

A gazillion bajillion trizillion dollars. Thats a lot

Gah. Season 8 has been over for more than a year. The original poster was talking about Lee over Crystal.

I do take exception to this statement:

Crystal’s numbers have been very low and it’s now obvious that Lee was outselling everyone on iTunes prior to the finale. So he’s the real winner based both on sales and votes. I don’t know how else you can measure it.

Why is that obvious?? No one knows what someone sold prior to the finale. Maybe Crystal’s sales were more during the season and her fans bought the majority of her songs then. We didn’t even get popularity bar leaks this year, did we? Yes Lee is selling more right now, he won. He’s getting more promotional opportunities, I mean has anyone even seen Crystal except for Idolatry?

Or heck, it’s like saying the “Hurt Locker” isn’t the real winner of the Oscar for Best Movie because “Avatar” sold more DVDs. The members of the academy thought “Hurt Locker” was better and voted for it. More fans wanted to buy “Avatar”. They are just two different things.

okay, Kristen, that is a much better comparison than the sports one….

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That made me laugh so hard! Best twitter exchange ever!

All things considered, the guy who won is doing very well with what is likely less out of pocket expense. But I know this comment is about to be jumped all over, even if it fact.

I’d be perfectly happy to exchange my checkbook with his They are making more money than I’ll ever see in my life.

Well let’s keep some things regarding the winner in mind here:
1. He hasn’t been marketed all over the place overseas. It’s hard to get certifications on something in Australia or Germany if it’s not available for purchase there.
2. The money being spent does not compare because he is more low key in his performance style.

All things considered, the guy who won is doing very well with what is likely less out of pocket expense. But I know this comment is about to be jumped all over, even if it fact.

Im surprised the guy who won is even allowed to release music. Shouldnt they pelt him with stones for “stealing” the title?

Excuse me, but claims that Lee or Kris — or anyone else who won AI are not the “real” winner is just WRONG. That’s not only insulting to their hard work and talent, it also insults every person who voted for them. By claiming that someone isn’t the “real” winner, you are saying that the people who voted them are stupid and/or have awful taste in music. And that isn’t only wrong, it’s extremely insulting. Not everyone likes the same type of music, and it is every person’s right to vote for whoever they want to. The understanding is that the result may not always be the one you hope for. Too bad! As the song goes “you can’t always get what you want”.

I voted for Kris in S8 but I voted for Crystal, not Lee, this past season. I wasn’t happy that Lee won. But never in a million years would I say he isn’t the real winner. He got the most votes, that makes him the winner.

think P!nk, like many other really good singers, are wondering how the terribly untalented, auto-tuned, lazy vocalists who make up a good portion of top 20 Artists can be so “loved” by the fans

or worse, talented singers who are basically forced to render their voices unrecognizable thru vocoding etc. in order to get a radio hit. The other day i was wondering why I hadn’t heard that new enrique iglesias song that it rising up the charts. last night I realized I had — i just didn’t recognize it because his voice is completely vocoded, he isn’t really singing, the song uses a sample of a lionel richie song and and rapping by pitbull. what happened? Tenish years ago Enrique was a good singer who sang his radio hits….now, he has to mask his voice to get on the radio….sads (not that i am a big enrique fan, i just was shocked by the new song)

How much money has been spent on him?

Yeah I want to know too? Sending him to tour overseas is clearly digging themselves in a hole. Last I check all those free publicity
was just that free, but again I am afraid this will turn into 3 pages on how Adam is super hyped and RCA is in the red blah,blah,blah. moving on.

Yeah, Kirsten much better comparison.

All things considered, the guy who won is doing very well with what is likely less out of pocket expense. But I know this comment is about to be jumped all over, even if it fact.

I have no way of knowing who spends what for what. But if I extrapolate the little I have learned…Money spent on marketing, and videos, and touring, etc. come out of the Artists earnings. The artist isn’t spending the companies money…he/she is in fact spending their current or future earnings. With that being said…I don’t know why there is so much resentment in the fact that Artist A is spending his money faster than Artist B. If Artist A wants to put their money back into their career and is content with that…if affects us, how? It seems to me that there are Artists who are gamblers/believers/self-assured who really want to promote themselves and believe that a dollar spent now could come back as 2 down the road. And then there are Artists who are fiscally more conservative, a bit more pedantic in their approach to their careers. Neither path is right or wrong…but it is the Artist’s choice.

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Oh, snap! lol

I usually try to stay out of these conversations but I would just like to ad something.

When Adam’s international opportunities and sales are mentioned, then there is always the well of course its because RCA/19 dumped tons of money into him. I think its counterintuitive to say that those sales are because of Adam getting tons of money dumped into promo. First off RCA/19 wouldn’t have sent Adam to do promo or release his album all over the world unless there was significant international interest. Secondly just because he did all that promo doesn’t mean that will turn into sales, we can all site. Many examples where lots of promo does not equal sales (Orianthi).

So I think its safe to say the yes RCA/19 did spend money to promote Adam internationally because there was a demand and that demand turned into sales and certifications of gold and platinum in other countries. It was not the money for the promo that did this is was Adam and his talent. IMHO and YMMV

I voted for Kris in S8 but I voted for Crystal, not Lee, this past season. I wasn’t happy that Lee won. But never in a million years would I say he isn’t the real winner. He got the most votes, that makes him the winner.

girlygirl, you should stop being so rational. its not good for these types of Idol debates

Excuse me, but how dare anyone claim that Kris and Lee — or any of the others who won AI — are not the “real” winners. That’s not only insulting to their hard work and talent, it also insults every person who voted for them. By claiming that someone isn’t the “real” winner, you are saying that the people who voted them are stupid and/or have awful taste in music. And that isn’t only wrong, it’s extremely insulting. Not everyone likes the same type of music, and it is every person’s right to vote for whoever they want to. The understanding is that the result may not always be the one you hope for. Too bad! As the song goes “you can’t always get what you want”.

I voted for Kris in S8 but I voted for Crystal, not Lee, this past season. I wasn’t happy that Lee won. But never in a million years would I say he isn’t the real winner. He got the most votes, that makes him the winner.

You’re entire post rocks – and sums up my thoughts and experience perfectly so thank you girlygirl for putting this out there so well. :)

Pink hasn’t had a Pop hit in years and she clearly resents it. So Adam will be fine.

Pink’s last album was all over top 40, from where I was sitting in my car going back and forth to school. I can think of at least three off the latest album. I mean, US radio has completely disregarded her, what?

I think the truth lies somewhere in between. I looked up her billboard ‘hits’ from Funhouse a few weeks ago and was surprised that she had one big hit and the other 2 were good, solid, but not amazing. She has had a solid performance in the US, but nothing like the love she gets over seas.

That said, I do agree with what was said about HAC.

y94playhouse Heard a rumor Adam Lambert is on the show tomorrow… hmmm
17 minutes ago via web

Haha! on the David Cook Hostess thing. Between he and Adam, they now have the entree (glamburgers from cheesecake factory) and dessert covered!

Now we need someone to tweet about buffalo wings, nachos or potato skins.

GAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

……….YAWN………

When is there going to be an thread started for Adam’s show tonight, so I can move out of this dreadful thread?

GAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know right? Sorry mj..

Now we need someone to tweet about buffalo wings, nachos or potato skins.

Tommy and Allison’s guitarist Dave usually have wing and burrito tweets covered.

Of course Scotty Mac never tweeted anything but food..

Others definitely feel the same way as you, but I disagree. All contestants have the same opportunity to pull from the same pool of fans to create a fanbase. It should be clear from the comments on MJs alone that people who share a favorite Idol one year can have completely different faves from each other the next year. To me this means that the votes are up for grabs each year. The same voting rules apply to all contestants. Changing the voting rules won’t change the voting fanbase, IMO.

It’s a system that gives power to the people that choose to vote – simple as that.

There’s a difference to me between those who choose to vote and those who choose to spend two hours casting tousands of votes by cell phone.
The system rewards crazy behavior and not just those who feel commited enough to vote.

Granted, I admit that I have absolutely no clue if changing the voting system would change the actual results, no way to know that. But the one AI has now is good just from the perspective of AT&T.

Wait…we have cheese dip for life from Kris, right?? Between the three of them, a full meal. Now we need someone for the antacids.

*In a corner…weeping*

I am having fun wondering why Pink has sold 30,000,000 CDs and she is still pissed.LOL

*pats mj saying “there, there, it will eventually get better”*

Changing the voting rules won’t change the voting fanbase, IMO.

It’s a system that gives power to the people that choose to vote – simple as that.

Sure, but it’s also a show that is built on appeal to a broad audience who appreciates the various streams of American popular music. If the current voting rules end up furthering contestants who, if only the surface, share a distinct genre, the voting fanbase who is not normally inclined to vote for that genre gets discouraged and stops voting. So in essence, the voting rules have changed the fanbase. Maybe less than the age of the show, almost certainly less than the casting of it. But I simply cannot believe that power-texting hasn’t shifted the balance of power to any degree. If only because people have heard about it now (some reporters have done stories on it).

Now we need someone to tweet about buffalo wings, nachos or potato skins.

Neal Tiemann (Cook’s guitarist) tweets about wings practically every other day. It’s actually kind of frightening.

*In a corner…weeping*

Eat a 100 calorie TwinkieBites pack, you might feel better

LMAO!

Hostess_Snacks: @thedavidcook I think we’re going to have to send you some samples!!!

Well shit now Hersheys better tweet him and provide a solution for his Kit Kat dilemma lol

Ummm..maybe a new song tonight??

This is the venue’s twitter, they’ve been tweeting about tonight’s concert all day:

stircove Adam Lambert soundchecking Madonna
2 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

http://twitter.com/stircove

OMG!! Madonna!! I wonder which song??

Ummm..maybe a new song tonight?? This is the venue’s twitter:
stircove Adam Lambert soundchecking Madonna
2 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

Oooh he’s changing it up already? Fun!

So I think its safe to say the yes RCA/19 did spend money to promote Adam internationally because there was a demand and that demand turned into sales and certifications of gold and platinum in other countries. It was not the money for the promo that did this is was Adam and his talent. IMHO and YMMV

Your entire post was very well stated. Adam’s international interest started after his Michael Jackson BoW performance and grew throughout the show. It was probably already determined back then that Adam would get international promo. I think it was sealed when it was discovered not only did Adam have international appeal from his music, but his personality and intelligence shined.

MJ, I think the headline needs to be Why is AI9 BEING HUMILIATED ON THE BILLBOARD HOT 100- Lee’s single is 73 in only second week,and Crystal fallen off completely.EVERY OTHER YEAR HAS A WINNER’S DEBUTING SINGLE IN A RESPECTABLE(TOP 20),OR EVEN FAR BETTER POSITION IN ITS SECOND WEEK.MJ,Why not just ask the question-Why has Simon Fuller sabotoged these two debuts of these contestants?-he knew they would get virtually no airplay when he told the producer how to arrange these,plus he knew that covers generally don’t do as well as originals.

Adam soundchecking. Looks like the rain as somewhat cleared up!

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9983/113591096.jpg

Why has Simon Fuller sabotoged these two debuts of these contestants?-he knew they would get virtually no airplay when he told the producer how to arrange these,plus he knew that covers generally don’t do as well as originals.

I don’t think anyone is sabotaging anyone. The ratings were down this year most of the season, lower than ever. The vote counts were way way down this year, interest was down in the press and media throughout the season. Last year’s coronation song was an original one and it got trashed everywhere you read, Kris didn’t even care for it. The UK’s XFactor winner releases a cover and it goes to #1 there.

What to do?

Madonna……though I am going to wait to see before I get my hopes up
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Ok long enough
OMG MADONNA!!!!!!!!!

Eileen99:
06/10/2010 at 3:42 pm
Any speculation on who Casey would have been meeting with in Nashville? Would he most likely be signed to the same label as Danny, since presumably 19 wouldn’t have released their rights to him yet? I think Casey is awesome, and could potentially do really well in the country genre

Someone yesterday was speculating it might be BNA Nashville which is one of the four Sony country labels–the other three being Arista, RCA Nashville, and Columbia Nashville. Kellie is with BNA, Danny is with RCA, and Carrie is with Arista.

Won’t attempt to speak to the BNA Nashville theory, but I doubt Sony would sign another male act to RCA Nashville. In addition to Danny, they have three other young male artists on their roster — Jake Owen, Chris Young, and Chuck Wicks, plus Sara Evans and Martina McBride.

CindyM:
06/10/2010 at 5:26 pm
Ummm..maybe a new song tonight??

This is the venue’s twitter, they’ve been tweeting about tonight’s concert all day:

stircove Adam Lambert soundchecking Madonna
2 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

http://twitter.com/stircove

OMG!! Madonna!! I wonder which song??

I can’t even imagine which song, it’s certainly going to fun tonight.

Oh Smeggs You are the best….Your post on Madonna was too funny

Anyway, any guesses on what Madonna song Adam would be soundchecking? I’m trying to remember what he said months ago when asked what his favorite Madonna song was — I think he was asked that on twitter, btu it was a long time ago now…

I want Ray of Light with LAZERS!!!!!!!!!

He’s also said how much he loves Frozen.

OMG!! Madonna!! I wonder which song??

Its Adam……my vote is…… Express Yourself!

Photo from Kris’s soundcheck this afternoon. Looks like the venue in Mobile may be a little warm…

http://twitpic.com/1vmoo6

Instead of Madonna, I wish he would cover something by Christina or Mary J. Blige.

Express Yourself?

LOL — Kris is talking about peeing again. Well, sort of…

KrisAllen
In Mobile we are treated like royalty with golden urinals. http://twitpic.com/1vmumd
7 minutes ago via Echofon

*In a corner…weeping*

Oh, MJ. But hopefully you aren’t rending your garments? I don’t know if we can get you back if you’re rending your garments.

Though admittedly, S8 fanwars make *me* want to weep in a corner, too. So, so sick of them.

BornToBeWildAFL:
06/10/2010 at 5:44 pm

Express Yourself?

Owe me a soda!!!!

0.0 Adam is sound checking Madonna and ROF….omg I want to be there!!!!!!

Reminder:

We’re done rehashing season 8 and the voting crap (rehashing the promo budgets is included here). I’ll be deleting any further conversation on both subjects.

Okay, I guess Adam’s prolly not gonna go for the cheese dip, glamburgers and hostess after all. Not if this is what’s on his menu..

stircove

At Whole Foods shopping for Adam…he likes multi-green http://twitpic.com/1vk4cv
about 6 hours ago via Twitpic

Hi guys,sorry I checked in so late,been working on awful homework–can’t wait for school to end

Anyway,I was watching Toledo vids,and Acoustic WLL was incredible.Period.
Iihy MV tomorrow!!!!!
And,new cover?????????,, OMA SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEE (lol if this is true I will squee/flail a LOT )

Any Mj ppl going to tonight’s show?

mj:
06/10/2010 at 5:08 pm
GAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Having fun yet?

Some days I enjoy being a Danny fan more than others, lol.

BornToBeWildAFL:
06/10/2010 at 5:15 pm
I am having fun wondering why Pink has sold 30,000,000 CDs and she is still pissed.LOL

Plus over 50,000,000 singles.

Looks like Adam, in addition to getting ready for tonight, was busy with UK promotion again. From NirvanaDC (SonyUK publicist’s twitter)

http://twitter.com/NirvanaDC

on the last @adamlambert phoner right now. Always happily reminded what a great talker he is
about 4 hours ago via web

doing phoners with @adamlambert right now. Lovely as ever. I’ll let you know as and when things get published
about 5 hours ago via web

The @adamlambert “Whataya Want From Me” video can be seen on MTV Hits, VH1, Bliss TV, Chart Show TV and Box TV from today.
about 12 hours ago via web

The @adamlambert “Whataya Want From Me” video can be seen on MTV Hits, VH1, Bliss TV, Chart Show TV and Box TV from today.
about 12 hours ago via web

OH seeing this reminded me that tomorrow on VH1 the premiere of If I Had You Music Video….Can’t wait!

Like a virgin. thx Adam . Btw i didn’t know that quite a portion of the dates are just Adam and Allison. cool

CindyM:
06/10/2010 at 5:59 pm

Okay, I guess Adam’s prolly not gonna go for the cheese dip, glamburgers and hostess after all. Not if this is what’s on his menu..

stircove

At Whole Foods shopping for Adam…he likes multi-green http://twitpic.com/1vk4cv
about 6 hours ago via Twitpic

Ok let him have the whole foods but….. we can have the glamburgers, wings, hostess and cheese dip right?!

well Pink isn’t quite getting the airplay the likes of Brit-Brit or Gaga in the US. I’d be pissed too. But yeah she’s kicking their butts anywhere else than US, so that must feel good.

Judee:
06/10/2010 at 6:09 pm
Like a virgin. thx Adam . Btw i didn’t know that quite a portion of the dates are just Adam and Allison. cool

Orianthi has some tour dates overseas, so she will be missing part of the tour, which will give Allison more time on the stage.

i could probably see a collaboration. but right now, it wouldn’t make sense. co-headlining? that would be a joke to her and her team.

I don’t think anyone, even the most ardent fan, thinks Adam is in a posiition to co-headline with Xtina. Opening for Xtina would be more logical, but is not the same thing as co-headlining.

Frankly I think Adam would prefer to stay in the size venues he is performing in now and be the headliner rather than open for somebody else, JMHO. Opening acts never (to my knowledge) perform WITH the headliner. So Adam would just be another opening act for the diehard fans of the main act.

Adam has stated he would love to collaborate on a song with Xtina somewhere someday and that may or may not happen But I don’t know that he would want to give up being the headliner to tour with her. And I don’t even know if Xtina can fill a huge arena these days; that remains to be seen.

If Adam were to tour with an established mega star, Gaga would be a better fit (and she can fill a huge arena so Adam’s split would amount to a lot even as an opening act).

Besides I think Gaga is less diva-ish than Xtina and might even break the mold and let him do a routine with her during a tour.

There, it’s settled, Adam should only give up being a headliner if Gaga is involved. Case closed (jk)!

Regarding the Madonna song, the only songs of hers I know off the top of my fuzzy head are Like a Virgin, Papa Don’t Preach, and Don’t Cry for me Argentina. Somehow i don’t think any of those fit Adam.

I remember Adam saying his favorite Madonna video was “Frozen”. Don’t remember a favorite song. “Express Yourself” would be one to fit in with Adam in general. “Frozen” might fit in with the Sleepwalker scenario. Just don’t know. Hope it’s true though.

Revat
What about Bowie????

mj where’s the warning about wandering into “headline” posts? BRB applying ice to all my bruises lol!

smeggingnuts:
06/10/2010 at 4:34 pm

sr4mjc
Theey are probably to either win or buy tickets to the award show or a meet and greet.

They are camping out to be the first 100 in line on Saturday to get wristbands for the Much Music Awards show. On the news they all identified themselves as Bieber fans.

he knew they would get virtually no airplay when he told the producer how to arrange these,plus he knew that covers generally don’t do as well as originals.

Except for the juggernaut that is Glee. And Subo.

Kris and his pee tweets, he is so funny. Looking cute in shorts! And Adam covering Like a Virgin would seriously make my shitty day much better. I’m guessing Express Yourself or Ray of Light. Holiday could be a fun dance along song.

In surfing the net it doesn’t look Monte plays with Madonna on Express Yourself.

Here’s Frozen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWkXjYik99E

Hangingover

#So kris was interviewed on my local top 40 station (97.5 wabb) – nothing important was said. they played THE TRUTH tho
8 minutes ago via web

#He did say though, when he was called FORMER american idol winner that it made him feel old. lol
6 minutes ago via web

I was just going to say that it may have been just Monte soundchecking his guitar and he was riffing a Madonna tune. I don’t think I would put too much stock in Adam singing something from her…doesn’t he always get tons of grief if he covers a Diva?

timesunion: Adam Lambert concert moved from Northern Lights to Palace Theatre in Albany http://bit.ly/9RpaEv

Nice, more tickets. From a 1,100 club venue to a 2,844 seat theater…nice.

Tess, Stircove themselves said Adam was soundchecking a Madonna song. They also tweeted about his soundchecking other songs in his set.

UPDATE (Thursday, 6/10 @ 6pm): Tough news to share with you guys. We just got word that Adam and his team are putting the finishing touches on the “If I Had You” video (yay!), but this means that the debut of the video is going to have to be bumped back until next week. Our apologies, we’ll bring it to you here on VH1 the second we get it in our hot little hands!

http://blog.vh1.com/2010-06-09/adam-lambert-dishes-on-the-if-i-had-you-video-shoot/

They are camping out to be the first 100 in line on Saturday to get wristbands for the Much Music Awards show. On the news they all identified themselves as Bieber fans.

LOL, Fandoms colliding. Sony Music tweets them out as Adam fans.

Well crap VH1 pushed back IIHY to next week according to @ainow

Tess
Besides that 30sec clip of Cher from hollywood week, where he got through to the top 36 from, he has never covered any divas. No sure when he would have gotten in trouble for it *shrug*

UPDATE (Thursday, 6/10 @ 6pm): Tough news to share with you guys. We just got word that Adam and his team are putting the finishing touches on the “If I Had You” video (yay!), but this means that the debut of the video is going to have to be bumped back until next week. Our apologies, we’ll bring it to you here on VH1 the second we get it in our hot little hands!

Ok now I am ready to cut a beetch…… Damn you Shalazar!!!!!

Danny’s bass player and brother-in-law

ivansantiago: getting ready to rock LP field tonight…!!!!!
http://twitpic.com/1vmy85

They all seem to be super-excited playing LP Field for CMA Fest. Great opportunity, even though it’s a fairly short set.
.

Also just saw that Danny’s non-profit is advertising meet and greet passes for a concert we hadn’t heard about yet. It’s apparently July 17th at the Harrah’s Cherokee pavilion in Cherokee NC. The venue site doesn’t have dates that far ahead listed yet, but I see Kris will be there this weekend playing the ballroom.

NC seems to be a good area for Danny, he was just in Raleigh for one of his own dates, and then has a date in Charlotte with Tim McGraw July 23rd. Plus down the road there are some indicators he’ll be at the NC State Fair.

I was just going to say that it may have been just Monte soundchecking his guitar and he was riffing a Madonna tune. I don’t think I would put too much stock in Adam singing something from her…doesn’t he always get tons of grief if he covers a Diva?

Tess, I never heard of that. I know Christina is on board for a duet.
I would also love to have Kelly and Adam, her fans seems to be warming up to him from what I see. The male Diva lovers are sticking up for him and slowly coming around. Kelly tweeted that her next album will be 80′s vibe.

They are camping out to be the first 100 in line on Saturday to get wristbands for the Much Music Awards show. On the news they all identified themselves as Bieber fans

LOL, Fandoms colliding. Sony Music tweets them out as Adam fans.

The Winnipeg press says:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/entertainment/breakingnews/fans-of-bieber-drake-camp-outside-muchmusic-in-bid-to-get-into-award-show-96079719.html

My favorite paragraph:

Other nominees include Katy Perry, the show’s co-host Miley Cyrus, and Adam Lambert, who had two of the most vocal fans in line.

Seventeen-year-olds Jamie Smith and Nicole Waskul decorated their campsite with a two-metre-high Lambert collage and other smaller dedications to the former “American Idol” contestant.

Oh Jeez…happy to say they were under 18 years old!!!!!

Hey guys, do you think they’ve maybe delayed it because Adam is going to go to MTV/VH1 in person to introduce it?? After the show at Royal Oak on Friday next week, he’s free until Nokia on the 22nd. Would be perfect for some promo visits to EW, MTV, VH1, etc…

They are camping out to be the first 100 in line on Saturday to get wristbands for the Much Music Awards show. On the news they all identified themselves as Bieber fans.

Not all of them Bieber fans. There are Adam fans there:

Seventeen-year-olds Jamie Smith and Nicole Waskul decorated their campsite with a two-metre-high Lambert collage and other smaller dedications to the former “American Idol” contestant.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20100610/mmva-fans-wait-100610/

Dang it I was so looking forward to see IIHY video tomorrow, now I hear it is postpone to next week? Man what a depressing Thursday. New video’s of Adam’s concert would make my night though, so hopefully soon?????

After the show at Royal Oak on Friday next week, he’s free until Nokia on the 22nd

no he will be in canada doing the big radio concert and the performing at the mmvas….he does have a day off in between his foxwoods and borgata shows so i would hope that he uses that day (the the 2 days that he has in nyc while at the nokia) to do some nyc area radio/tv/print promo…he will be in the ny/nj/ct area for the better part of a week

Danny signing for fans. Looks like the fan fair event, not the one at the Country Music Hall of Fame

http://twitpic.com/1vkktx

LOL, Fandoms colliding. Sony Music tweets them out as Adam fans.

Yah, the pic Sony tweeted was Adam fans.

Sony_Music
Here it is, @AdamLambert fans camping outside @MuchMusic! http://twitpic.com/1vjzaa Now that’s devotion!
about 5 hours ago via web

It’s supposed to be on Gungho rotation. Bring on the video! Adam it’s perfect, stop tinkering.

http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=16025

Danny looks great!!!

Eek. That HUGE ass poster that they hung behind the tent is kinda skeery — not talking about the way Adam looks, but the AI fantardiness of it all. I mean, what’s the point? You’re camping out days before a show but you want to make sure to . . . advertise?!? *shakes head* Oh well, every fandom has them.

What is Gungho?

Keel:
06/10/2010 at 7:07 pm

Eek. That HUGE ass poster that they hung behind the tent is kinda skeery — not talking about the way Adam looks, but the AI fantardiness of it all. I mean, what’s the point? You’re camping out days before a show but you want to make sure to . . . advertise?!? *shakes head* Oh well, every fandom has them.

But they’re under 18….I thought as long as they are not 40 its ok!!

That HUGE ass poster that they hung behind the tent is kinda skeery — not talking about the way Adam looks, but the AI fantardiness of it all. I mean, what’s the point?

IDK they are 17, seventeen year olds do stuff like this. I think it is sweet.

BornToBeWildAFL:
06/10/2010 at 7:10 pm

What is Gungho?

I think its code for “this is going to be our #1 video Period”….at least I hope

Eek. That HUGE ass poster that they hung behind the tent is kinda skeery — not talking about the way Adam looks, but the AI fantardiness of it all. I mean, what’s the point? You’re camping out days before a show but you want to make sure to . . . advertise?!? *shakes head* Oh well, every fandom has them.

LOL they’re teenagers, let them have fun. One of em probably brought it from their own room, I know I plastered my walls with my fave boys when I was in high school.

Well crap VH1 pushed back IIHY to next week according to @ainow

I’m guessing it’s Adam working with his video peeps on finishing touches. VH1 sounds as bummed as we do. Remember that UK radio station that gave him an inflatable lamb to sign, and he wouldn’t let it go until he got the Eye of Horus glam job on it’s eyes just exactly right? Or the interviewer that asked for some eyeshadow and got a 20 minute detailed smokey eye treatment? Dude’s an incurable perfectionist.

Dhunken you’re too funny.

lmao:
06/10/2010 at 7:03 pm
LOL, Fandoms colliding. Sony Music tweets them out as Adam fans.

Yah, the pic Sony tweeted was Adam fans.

Sony_Music
Here it is, @AdamLambert fans camping outside @MuchMusic! http://twitpic.com/1vjzaa Now that’s devotion!
about 5 hours ago via web

Yeah, the huge poster of Adam hanging on the wall would be the first clue. LOL.

I was sooooo excited to see the IIHY video tomorrow. Talk about a bummer…

smeggingnuts:
06/10/2010 at 6:19 pm
Revat
What about Bowie????

Does he still tour?

CindyM
06/10/2010 at 6:50 pm
Hey guys, do you think they’ve maybe delayed it because Adam is going to go to MTV/VH1 in person to introduce it?? After the show at Royal Oak on Friday next week, he’s free until Nokia on the 22nd. Would be perfect for some promo visits to EW, MTV, VH1, etc

I dunno but the vee jay on VH1′s Top Twenty Countdown loves Adam. I DVR it every week and he gives Adam a plug whenever possible and thinks he has the makings of a huge star. He’s been like this since Day 1, sorry can’t think of his name at the moment.

LOL they’re teenagers, let them have fun. One of em probably brought it from their own room, I know I plastered my walls with my fave boys when I was in high school.

Heh, you’re right. I looked at that person’s twitpic history and the teen is posing with their “Adam blanket” in one of their older pics.

But I have to say, even though I did some insane fandom stuff when I was in my teens, I can say that I confined myself to one and only one “wall of crazy” (okay, maybe there was a door of crazy thrown in there too). But never in my life did I have all four walls and a ceiling covered in crazy. http://twitpic.com/vw0kj

Us crazy peeps have our standards after all.

Adam singing Madonna. Oh yeah baby!

My money is on him singing Vogue.

sr4mjc:
06/10/2010 at 6:36 pm
They are camping out to be the first 100 in line on Saturday to get wristbands for the Much Music Awards show. On the news they all identified themselves as Bieber fans.

LOL, Fandoms colliding. Sony Music tweets them out as Adam fans.

The person who took the picture is an Adam fan. That showed up on my Twitter feed and I clicked the name of the person who posted the pic. You should see her bedroom. Completely plastered with pictures, including the entire ceiling. I seriously hope she’s a teen.

ETA: I see others had noticed that too

But I have to say, even though I did some insane fandom stuff when I was in my teens, I can say that I confined myself to one and only one “wall of crazy” (okay, maybe there was a door of crazy thrown in there too). But never in my life did I have all four walls and a ceiling covered in crazy. http://twitpic.com/vw0kj

Ok that is even overkill for me…..and my standards are low…

I seriously hope she’s a teen.

Yes she is…. she is 17

Wow, that teen is obsessed but she has good taste! I wonder if Mom is also obsessed.

I originally posted the Song Music camping tweet about Adam fans. Caden said the news was reporting they were Bieber fans. I was chuckling at the fandom collision if they are both. It’s a good thing, Adam can use some Bieber fans. Although he seems to be doing fine with younger kids in Canada.

What and no fanfare no fireworks…..Seriously didn’t know. Even though she has sold more cumulative I think it goes well that he is staying consistent. with his sales now. I think he could increase album sales if Radio would ADD/play IIHY. IMHO. sjopu*&ao$$#sjoiu Radio

And Brian Mansfield didn’t report it in his headlines? What? That boy’s slippin’.

But never in my life did I have all four walls and a ceiling covered in crazy. http://twitpic.com/vw0kj

Wow now that is impressive LOL. Yep, she’s got my high school efforts beat, they now look puny in comparison!

Got this off the Pulse Board:

The Truth was added to Rate The Music’s HAC Survey today. It’s the new survey for June 11.

LLWD is still there and is #9 on the list.

whoa the photo of that person’s (young teen — I HOPE) room with all the Adam photos? Serious cray-cray. And the Pepto pink walls were making me ill.

I used to have posters on my wall as a tween, but it was a couple of pictures at most. This is just sad/kinda creepy

Why does anyone care how big or famous these contestants become? As far as I’m concerned it’s all about the music that I look forward to buying and enjoying, and absolutely nothing else.

Sadly some people believe that what the media and visual entertainment industry says and proclaims is how we should feel in our average everyday lives. We can’t possibly know what we like without their input. Sadly this doesn’t only apply to what type of entertainment we should enjoy, but much more important issues in life.

So unless someone or something is being proclaimed as good by these people, it’s pretty much worthless.

However, I tend to agree with you and thankfully so do others. That’s why someone like Crystal will be just fine even though it may not be proclaimed as such all over the TV, internet, etc. Isn’t it amazing how many people survive and can be content w/o that ‘fame’ word? Perhaps they’re even better off for it.

Oh, I also think getting to number one or two in a contest amongst thousands is pretty cool!

ETA: *hops back off soapbox* *looks around* no ones here anyway. Hee!

Opening acts never (to my knowledge) perform WITH the headliner. So Adam would just be another opening act for the diehard fans of the main act.

Well I can’t speak for other artists but I know already that when Kris was opening for Keith Urban – Keith asked Kris back to sing with him during his set – the same thing happened at the Lady A concert.He sang at a concert with Pat Monahan from Train where there were mostly Train fans & I am sure Daughtry will ask Kris to sing Send Me All Your Angels as they co-wrote that song. So maybe Kris has already broken the mould!![lol]
I for one am really happy that Kris is both Headlining & Opening for great acts as it gives him the opportunity not just to play for diehard fans but to attract new ones from fans of the Headliners
[ which has already happened from the Keith Urban & Lady A concerts]

Played my Crystal CD in the car for my 3 year old son who never likes anything but kid music. He was actually listening carefully for a couple songs, which made me very happy, until “saved” came on, and when Crystal started rocking the blues he said “Daddy, this is really fun music!” Then he asked who it was and I told him it’s “MommaSox”, and he laughed and laughed. Then he had me play the song over again 3 times more as we danced and drove. It was AWESOME!

Crystal, if you’re reading this, that was A BIG MOMENT! THANKS!~

This original Crystal song really chokes me up every time I hear it. I hope Crystal puts it on her 1st album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eICsQLPgI2k

This original Crystal song really chokes me up every time I hear it. I hope Crystal puts it on her 1st album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eICsQLPgI2k

It’s my favorite song of Crystal. Can’t wait for her CD to come out. Quite frankly, I’d be just happy if her CD is just a rehatch or rearrangement of her best original songs. (I gather she has over a hundred of them).

I discovered Crystal very late in the show, after watching her video at 13 in fact, just before her Top 2 performance! Before that, I felt like she deserved to win but didn’t feel part of her journey. Now I think she’s in a league of her own and can’t wait to see her succeed.

“It’s my favorite song of Crystal. Can’t wait for her CD to come out. Quite frankly, I’d be just happy if her CD is just a rehatch or rearrangement of her best original songs.”

What really hits me hardest is that this song is clearly an autobiographical account of her abuse at the hands of either her mother or stepfather, and it just really breaks me up as a father of a little girl to think anyone could do something so unforgivable to their child. I’m so, so proud of her, and really want to thank American Idol for introducing her to me.

Yes, she talks about fairly heavy stuff in that song. I don’t know her personal life at all. I liked the fact that she said in the interview that she had rough times in her life but she’s ok now. It’s the right attitude, to move on and go forward. It’s nice to know that she can do that.
I really warmed up to her towards the end of the show. I think she opened up more towards the end too and gave us the best moment of the season with Up To The Mountain. And watching her in the interview made me like her more as a person.

Played my Crystal CD in the car for my 3 year old son who never likes anything but kid music.. . .“saved” came on, and when Crystal started rocking the blues he said “Daddy, this is really fun music!” . . .Then he had me play the song over again 3 times more as we danced and drove. It was AWESOME!

New hope for the music industry. I hope Crystal gets the right marketing to become a major artist. She deserves it, and the music world needs more like her.

Awww, I really like the Crystal love going on at the end of this thread.

New hope for the music industry. I hope Crystal gets the right marketing to become a major artist. She deserves it, and the music world needs more like her.

I thought the very same thing when I read the comment about the three yr. old.

It seems she has the ability to draw both male and female fans so this is really a good thing. Go Mamasox!!

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