Idol Headlines for 02/14/12 – The Evening Edition

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Tony Lucca Reveals Why He Chose Adam Levine As His ‘Voice’ Coach Over Christina Aguilera – Tony Lucca found early success as a star on “The Mickey Mouse Club,” and now, the singer and songwriter is getting his second shot at fame as he joins Team Adam Levine on NBC’s “The Voice.” “For me, it’s kind of a chance to not only share with people that I was also a part of that bizarre talent pool, but that I’ve put a lot of time in,” Tony told Billy Bush and Kit Hoover on Tuesday’s Access Hollywood Live, referencing his former co-stars, Ryan Gosling, Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. – Read more at Access Hollywood

Kris Allen Photo Shoot

 

A new photo from Kris Allen’s album photo shoot (Little Pawns Facebook)

Kellie Pickler Discusses Mom, Dad and Others Who Inspired ’100 Proof’ – While she says she’s come to peace with her relationship with her mother, it’s clear she still thinks about her and the mother she’ll become one day (‘Mother’s Day’). Grandpa Ken doesn’t make the album, but he lives with Pickler and Kyle Jacobs now, so she gets a chance to talk to him anytime. Ex-boyfriends, and her childhood are other topics explored on ’100 Proof,’ the most raw and vulnerable project of the former ‘American Idol’ contestant’s career. – Read more at Taste of Country

Whitney Houston’s Musical Director Rickey Minor Looks Back On Singer’s ‘Star Spangled Banner’ Performance – Rickey, who did all the musical arrangement for the song, said Whitney nailed her rendition with very little preparation. “That was one take,” he said, watching a clip of her performance. “It’s hard to top that emotion and performance… It really is about a personal best.” Rickey – who is now the musical director and band leader of “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” – told Billy and Kit that her iconic performance also stirred up some negative press initially. “There was controversy about Whitney doing the national anthem and lip synching. Was she lip synching? [There was] a lot of backlash right away,” he recalled. – Access Hollywood

  • Anonymous

    In his interview at Z100 today, Adam confirmed that the album isn’t done yet b/c they’re still working on a few last minute songs, possibly including the collaborations (vocal or otherwise). The date isn’t set in stone, but it’s also not definitely moved. Sound like if they finish the songs soon enough, they’ll go on as scheduled, but I’d personally rather they make the best album and have good timing for the album launch, and if that means a date move, I’m more than okay with it. 

    He recorded between 50-60 songs, and still won’t tell anyone what he’s doing with Queen. Tease!

    http://www.z100.com/iplaylist/artist/1152615/

  • http://twitter.com/butterflydm Diana

    Adam is such a perfectionist! Well, when we do get the album, I’m sure it’s going to be simply amazing.

  • aaa sss

    not Adam the overrated again……the album will be one of the flops this year

  • fuzzywuzzy

    ” Adam confirmed that the album isn’t done yet b/c they’re still working
    on a few last minute songs, possibly including the collaborations (vocal
    or otherwise).”

    I’m a casual fan and I’m surprised that there are a “few” last minute songs they are working on, when it seemed like the songs had all been recorded and all that remained was to select the ones for the album (or maybe I’m wrong?).  At any rate, it seems to me that the release date will probably be pushed back.

  • http://twitter.com/1WaySTweet Ron Simpson

     Are you suggesting that Adam is circling the drain?

  • Anonymous

    If I had to guess, I’d say Adam’s release date is likely going to get pushed back, at least slightly, maybe to sometime in April? Because even after he’s done recording they still have to mix and master it, do all the packaging, etc etc etc. And they don’t want to rush it out just to make some pre-determined release date. It’s frustrating as a fan though, because you just want the music to be released, already! It’s hard to wait and wait and wait. (same thing with Kris, just want him to tell us the single release date!)

  • Anonymous

    Adam seemed to look forward to one possible collaboration in an interview a short time ago, and he was very much hoping it would happen.  Maybe it did and that’s the hold up.  Whatever, willing to wait for this album – most especially after seeing that fan vid of the song “Trespassing” in Austria – a real barnburner.  The man’s voice is just incredible – and this “funky” kind of music is going to knock your socks off – a very different vibe from FYE – BTIKM (as Adam said) is just a bridge from the old to the new.

  • ronnie

    Adam’s album must be really bad the way they keep delaying it.  Must be a real disaster.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I had heard about that “one” possible collaboration, but it was the “few last minute” songs that took me aback a bit.  I guess that we’ll just have to wait.

  • http://twitter.com/scclarke90 Shelly

    yeah cuz all those reviews of the songs were so terrible right?

  • larc

    Adam confirmed that the album isn’t done yet b/c they’re still working
    on a few last minute songs, possibly including the collaborations (vocal
    or otherwise).

    Giving in to a little wishful thinking, I think it would be great if a track still being worked on features Queen.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ACMLXLYSSX73RNYQOUZWSO2I4U Enough already!

    What’s with all the gloom and doom?   So Adam’s album is out a month later than planned.   His fans are not going to desert him, nor will the album crash and burn.   Pretty sure if Adam wasn’t producing this album, things would be different, and not necessarily better.

  • Anonymous

    No wonder the music industry is in shambles. In most businesses, if you continually miss deadlines that is bad news lol.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    There seems to be a few collaborations coming. I know there’s one that Adam is being secretive about so we know it’s not Bruno. Then he is currently working on a dance song with Bruno so I wonder if there will be 2 Bruno songs. The demo that’s out and this new dance song with Dr. Luke.

  • Nele621

    Well, Adam’s first single from both albums flopped big time. Isn’t that what happened to Cook and Archuleta? Flopped singles, flopped albums.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    They wouldn’t be the only Idols with flop songs and albums. Kris had 2 flop songs and an album so did Lee and Crystal.

  • ronnie

    Adam’s first single FYE was changed so fast, I don’t think it counts as a flop.  They didn’t give it time to play out,  but they have given plenty of time for BTIKM, which has been out for a month and a half, it will definitely count as a flop and could hurt sales of the album when it drops.

  • Anonymous

    Not all the time – sometimes it just hypes up the suspense.  Can go two ways.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, because it’s such a new phenomena. lol  Album deadlines have forever been delayed. And considering that it isn’t uncommon to hear some big name groups delay by *years*  a few weeks or months is nothing.  Of course, in the idol bubble, everything works different from the real world.

  • Anonymous

    There is also Daughtry’s song. Idols from S10 who haven’t had big singles would be Durbin and Lauren.

  • Anonymous

    Huh? Record labels push people’s albums back all the time, even the big names! It has nothing to do with missing deadlines.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    Wasn’t Kelly’s album pushed and delayed for almost a year? I thought album delays are pretty common. I doubt fans will not buy an album because it got delayed. The general public doesn’t keep track of album delays, they just buy it when it comes out.

  • http://twitter.com/krisjonin Jonins

    Sorry to butt in your discussion on Adam’s predicament but Kris looks hot! HOT like a twink waiting for his john hahahahahaha!!!!!

    Sorry, I got to get it off my chest. He’s handsome and hot but him wearing those super tight pants and big jacket over an obviously beautiful, muscled chest, and standing in front of a place called Chamberlain (Richard?), he’s ready to be picked up!

    But undeniably, he’s HOTTT!!!

    Ok back to Adam…

  • Anonymous
  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    So I guess other than Kelly and Carrie every Idol has flopped or will flop. Hopefully Kelly’s album will go platinum since her last 2 fail to. That would be considered a flop to some even with #1 songs.

  • Anonymous

     Um, I was addressing the fact that record labels push back peoples albums all the time, and tying it in to the fact that the music industry is in shambles. If you are so sloppy you can’t meet deadlines, and an album release date is certainly a deadline, then there is probably lots of things as an industry you are doing incompetently.

  • Moria Polonius

    Giving in to a little wishful thinking, I think it would be great if a track still being worked on features Queen.

    I think vocal collaboration with, for example, Jessie J is more likely, lol.

    I’m all for perfecting the album but to be honest, I’m not crazy about the possible vocal collaboration, there just aren’t many duets in existence that I like and I fear that whoever features on a song with Adam will ruin it for me, be it Jessie J or Bruno Mars or Adele. 

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, still way too early to call it anything. You can point to a few songs that took months to peak, and since Adele is a hot topic right now, let’s look at her: Rolling in the Deep took 4 months to peak on CHR and over 5 months to peak on Hot 100. 

    I’m in no way trying to compare Adele to Adam in the sense they will have similar success, but it’s interesting that only so many artists get instant play on the radio and that it’s a lot more normal for songs to build slowly. Even Flo Rida’s Good Feeling took months to get where it is and Kelly’s MKIA took around 4 months. There are so many examples, even WWFM (also doomed several times the first few months of release), of taking time for songs to peak. Unless people are legitimate fortune tellers, the only thing we know is that it’s moving up. 

    On the other hand, if RCA feels this slow build isn’t working and they want to switch singles, I’m totally fine with that personally, even if BTIKM is my favorite of his singles to date right behind FYE.

  • Anonymous

     LOL
    Read what I just wrote.
    I was talking about the music industry constantly missing deadlines. You people citing the fact that the music industry constantly misses deadlines contradicts my argument how…..?

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    What if it’s nothing about meeting a deadline, though? If the record label pushed the date back for him b/c of collaborations they think are a good idea, then I would think that means they think it’s for the best. Otherwise, they’d just package what they’ve got and move forward. It certainly sounded like the original date delay was on RCA’s side, not Adam’s. 

    I do agree that the music industry isn’t in any real solid form right now, though. I just don’t think it’s fair to think it’s necessarily the artist’s fault (and that may not have been your point, and I apologize if it wasn’t). Nicki Minaj’s album has recently been pushed back b/c her label wanted to look at more songs. I doubt she wanted that, except perhaps to make the best album she could. It’s not uncommon, even if it’s not necessarily good for the music industry overall.

  • Anonymous

    But such problems are not new, not to *ANY* industry.  I have seen projects constantly two or more months behind.  Didn’t stop the company from putting anything out in the future, nor got anyone fired.  Most release dates are understood to be subject to change, that’s just a business reality.  Not just music, either.

  • Moria Polonius

    Wasn’t Kelly’s album pushed and delayed for almost a year?

    And it worked out well for her. Maybe the label knows to do with their actual pop artists.

  • Anonymous

     I don’t know what industry you work in but most industries if you are months behind on deadlines you are in a dangerous place and have a good shot at being fired.

  • Anonymous

    A, hai there bed.

  • Nele621

    Considering they didn’t promote FYE at all and radio gave it zero spins, I can see how it didn’t sell. BTIKM single is getting promo and some spins, but it is selling just as bad as FYE.

  • Anonymous

     Did I say it was the artist’s fault anywhere in my post?

  • Anonymous

    FYE did sell though, almost gold in the US (and let’s not forget it was one of the better selling singles overseas, especially in countries like Japan). It didn’t get spins b/c of the content of the song, which is just stupid. BTIKM isn’t getting high enough spins yet to impact sales significantly, and anyone in the numbers thread could explain where it needs to be at for it to do that. It is moving though, so it’s pretty much just a waiting game at this point to see if it’s a grower or if RCA decides to go with another single with a possible quicker rise before the album launch.

  • dreamweaver

    So Kris Allen is going to try again? Seriously, after that major flop. I see Kris Allen, James Durbin next to be cut. Huge losers. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s why I said if that’s not what you meant, I apologize. It came off that way, but meaning if often lost in text and I’m not above saying I’ve misunderstood what someone meant. I agreed with your overall premise :)

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    If Adam’s album flops we can always adopt the new Idol meme that’s been out now. “But he did an album that he wanted to do”. ” He’s being a true artist and not selling out by making an album he wanted to”.

  • Anonymous

    Albums get delayed all the time. That doesn’t necessarily mean there is trouble or that the album will flop when it is released. Some artists have had very successful albums that were pushed back from original release dates. Some artists have had albums “flop”. Some artists never even see their albums get released, they just get shelved. There’s no hard and fast rule that ties whether an album makes its original release date into success or failure.

  • Nele621

    Kris looked so cute in that cardigan sweater. Sweater looked so soft and cuddly.

  • Anonymous

    At the engineering company I used to work with, I saw projects get delayed sometimes for 6 or more months. No firings. The custom interior shop i am at now we’ve had projects delayed by 3 months, never got complaints, not even from the clients. Gaming industry, both video and paper and dice?  Consider it as expected as gratuity when dining out. As for the music industry, I remember hearing about album delays even before the days of AOL.

    The music industry has a lot of problems. A lot of problems.  Delaying albums  by a few weeks, or months is not one of them.

  • Anonymous

    Adam addressed the new date today at a M&G. If you really care about what he has to say, it’s readily available. It’s going to be a looong time to the next album. Why not do the very best for the one at hand?

  • Anonymous

    Considering that the majority (IIRC over 90%) or albums released fail to sell more than 5k, there are a lot of artists who would love to flop as badly as him. Not to mention have a platinum single like he did.

  • Anonymous

    In this case it’s an arbitrary deadline.  At the most, there may be some issues with timing the take off of the single to the release of the album, but int he music industry nobody is being hurt by delaying the release of an album.

    There may be some cases where negative buzz might circle the release, for example, people in the media could say that it’s because the artist and label don’t agree on the songs, but that’s not happening here.

  • Anonymous

    Why wouldn’t he try again? He had a decent if not spectacular first album sales (I’d wager that he’s probably over gold by now even if we don’t have those updated numbers) and one major hit. I was really surprised AWM didn’t hit b/c it was one of the most fun songs an Idol alum has put out, imo. Listening to some of his demos/acoustic songs for his upcoming album, he has the possibility to fill that soft pop rock niche that comes and goes in popularity. With Gavin DeGraw finally smashing on radio, now could be the perfect time for that sound. RCA wouldn’t have kept him from the Jive merger if they weren’t confident in his possibilities.

    As for James, he’s on an indie label that is known specifically for growing their artists, so I think he’ll be fine. They hook him up with a good touring partnership and start from the bottom up like most rock acts. 

    Idol produces a lot of talented artists and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t go quite according to plan, but it’s about as much about luck as it is about the talent. Given the chance, they could all do very well, the stars just have to align properly.

  • Anonymous

     It shouldn’t be an arbitrary deadline. Like you mentioned release of the single should be timed right for the album (and by THE album I mean a generic album, not just Adam’s album, so no reason to whine), along with press promotion and coordinating with stores for stocking, in store promotion, and advertisement. The fact that the music industry might view these deadlines as arbitrary to me indicates a problem.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, still way too early to call it anything. You can point to a few songs that took months to peak, and since Adele is a hot topic right now, let’s look at her: Rolling in the Deep took 4 months to peak on CHR and over 5 months to peak on Hot 100.  

    I think that RITD climb on top 40 was a little bit faster than four months.  Pop isn’t the song’s home format, and not the format that it was initially pushed to when it was released.  The song was already a major hit on Triple A when pop stations started to play it.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, still way too early to call it anything. You can point to a few songs that took months to peak, and since Adele is a hot topic right now, let’s look at her: Rolling in the Deep took 4 months to peak on CHR and over 5 months to peak on Hot 100.  

    I think that RITD climb on top 40 was a little bit faster than four months.  Pop isn’t the song’s home format, and not the format that it was initially pushed to when it was released.  The song was already a major hit on Triple A when pop stations started to play it.

  • Anonymous

    RITD was released at end of November and didn’t peak until the end of March on CHR. Granted, the peak was the highest it could go at #1. It took about a month before it debuted on Hot 100 (right around Christmas IIRC). 

    It did establish itself on HAC quicker, but I was using it as an example since CHR is the chart that everyone says produces selling hits. It’s just too early to call in a lot of cases.

  • OffLeash

    From what I’ve heard so far, Kris’ sophomore album is sexy and all kinds of awesome. Given the right promo, which his label should be able to give him, I’m confident he’ll have at least one huge hit this year. And this is coming from someone who didn’t care at all for his debut album.

    As for James, like EmyR said, Wind Up is having him start from the bottom up, with very minimal promo, low budget nationwide radio tour, and performances in small venues. James said he was fine with that, because he wanted to “pay his dues.”

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    So Kris Allen is going to try again? Seriously, after that major flop. I
    see Kris Allen, James Durbin next to be cut. Huge losers.  What HUGE
    LOSS Durbin was. WOw!! 

    I remember reading a few articles most recently MTV that was surprised the label was willing to finance a second album for Kris. Obviously the label felt 1 hit song was enough to give it a go again just like the label is willing to send Adam all over the world to promote this second album. If Adam’s album gets pushed back because it isn’t finished or ready the end result isn’t going to change.

  • Anonymous

    Kriss Allen is looking gooooooooooooooood!

  • OffLeash

    He’s so yummyyyyyyyyyyy  ;)

  • hayes

    One Direction’s “What Makes You Beautiful” is now available in the US – http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/what-makes-you-beautiful-single/id474714569

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Link please?

  • GS61

    James Durbin and Orianthi will be in concert on March 2 in Burbank, Ca. The concert is a fundraiser for the Rock School Scholarship Fund.

    http://rockschoolfund.org/

  • Anonymous

    It’s in the first comment of this post.

  • http://twitter.com/butterflydm Diana

    Those sweaters must be really trendy right now. I seem to be seeing them everywhere. It does look warm and cozy.

  • Anonymous

    They’re getting as bad as beanies.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    Adam is a one of a kind talent, and will be fine regardless of what happens. As far as Kris Allen goes, he may be cool and all, but I never understood the draw to him. He is like milktoast. lol

  • Anonymous

    Don’t know what it means, but I am surprised Adam isn’t finished with the album.  The March 20 release date has been scheduled for months.  I figured that he and RCA were just putting the finishing touches on the project.

    If Adam is still recording, I don’t think he meets the announced date.  I think it takes 4-6 weeks to mix, edit, proof and get the physical CDs from the manufacturer?  He would have to tie any loose ends this week to have any chance to make March 20.  I suppose they can do a rush print job, but would be costly, I can only imagine.

    I guess the question is how much of this is on Adam and how much is on RCA?  I know Adam is supposed to be in creative control on the album as well as an executive producer.  I’m assuming he has some say in this.

    I don’t know if any of this is good or bad.  But it is strange to still be recording 5 weeks before a release date, for any artist.

  • Nele621

    Think I saw a pic of Bieber in a sweater like Kris’s.

  • Anonymous

    If you were on Idol, you aren’t one of a kind.  Good at what you do, add another wrinkle to things?  Certainly.  But one of a kind?  Nah.  :-)

  • http://twitter.com/1WaySTweet Ron Simpson

     I vehemently disagree. Nothing pisses me off more than to see Yahoo or AOL list a bunch of unrelated idols as being similar artists. They aren’t even in the same genre but they are listed as just the same. How lazy! How insulting!

    Each of them are individual unique human beings in my opinion. Piling them all in the same heap? No.

  • Anonymous

    Lol. By all means let’s start taking pot shots at Cook now. Or let’s not.

    Anyway… I didn’t think it was a big deal when Cook and Kelly got delayed (and I loved the results for both) and I don’t think it’s a big deal now that it appears that Adam might be. All that matters is the final product, and by many accounts Adam has something really special with this album. Still excited.

  • Anonymous

    “Why wouldn’t he try again? He had a decent if not spectacular first
    album sales (I’d wager that he’s probably over gold by now even if we
    don’t have those updated numbers) and one major hit.”

    I doubt that KATA is anywhere near gold but it really doesn’t matter imo. What matters is that RCA thinks that Kris has the potential to be successful. They probably have a good idea of what mistakes were made last time and hopefully a plan to have things turn out better this time. We also have no idea how much money was spent on the first cd, and thus don’t know if KATA made or lost money for the label.

  • Anonymous

    NOW they’re unique individuals?  I and others have said that for years, but it seems like we got shouted down by the masses, sometimes right here.  Glad to know attitudes have changed, even though I’ve gone in the opposite direction!  LOL!

  • Anonymous

    Well I watched Adam’s Z100 interview today, and he seems extremely happy with both his album and the label. Adam and RCA seem to be on the same page regarding any album delay and the reasons behind it. I think they are working really hard to get everything just right—tracks, radio, overall timing and strategy. Everyone involved is looking to give this album the best possible environment for success. And as a fan, this makes me totally happy.

  • Anonymous

    i have certainly nothing on delaying an album when it’s to make it better, provided the delay is reasonable which is the case here

  • Anonymous

    I remember when Adam was doing those promo trips in Europe he mention in an interview a 
    possible collaboration that he was keeping his fingers crossed for and
    was really excited about it so that might be the reason for the delay.  If there is a delay and nobody really knows how long, could be just days, the only ones that seem to have an negative opinion about it are in the Idol bubble.  Him being the executive producer may be seeing this as a great opportunity and RCA  must agree otherwise I think it would not happen.

    Comparing BTIKM to FYE is so fruitless.  Regardless on FYE not receiving any promo it did all right selling way over 300,000.  I bet there are some artists who would love to have that with their heavily promo songs.  I am not worried about BTIKM.  He has just started US promo and it is slowly gaining.  No, it won’t be a Katy Perry kind of hit but who out there has.  But to this day, I can’t even remember any of her songs except for the one she sang on Season 8.

    I don’t see a problem with the delay.  It would seem that getting an album out there that is the best that it can be is better than throwing something out too fast that isn’t.  Maybe the US will be slow to get on board but I bet the rest of the world won’t be and they count just as much.  The Japan festival is out for me just the same as the next concert will be with Queen but I can’t wait until he tours in the US where I can go and enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    Adam will be in a few international magazines next month, including FAULT (UK), Blikk Magazin (Norway), Dorian Magazine (Sweden), and InRock (Japan). Preview for the last.

    http://twitpic.com/8k2qbc 

    JustJared posted some pictures from Adam radio visit to Z100 this morning as well.

    http://justjared.buzznet.com/2012/02/14/adam-lambert-elvis-duran-morning-show/

  • Anonymous

    This should help me when I see Idol tomorrow.

    When I see how happy they are to get through the group rounds, I hope they know that they have to get through more rounds, the rooms and what else to get to top 24, voted by the public to go to top 12 and then some painful 11 weeks later, somebody can win the whole thing and one year later that person can still be called a loser.

    I think everybody or 99.99% should just give up now.

  • http://twitter.com/1WaySTweet Ron Simpson

    On Twitter from Kelly’s concert

    From my buddy that’s at that show tonight….it’s @clayaiken! Hahaha. pic.twitter.com/pCpG5DBK

  • Anonymous

    A second album being released late does not establish a routine.  Music is art and can’t be judged by standards set for businesses that make standardized products. 

  • asifclueless

     Adam Lambert Restarts!!! INROCK

    http://twitpic.com/8k2r4s

  • asifclueless

    Adam Lambert Z100 -NY

     http://www.z100.com/iplaylist/artist/1152615/

  • Trina

    Aww when Clay and Kelly toured together Open Arms was the song they sang together every night. Hope theres video!

  • Nele621

    I thought FYE single sold less than 140K units. That sounds like a big ole flop to me. Esp considering all the hype. BTIKM may even sell sell less, tho.

  • http://twitter.com/thebluemartini Nicole P.

    Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Tim Halperin is in a new Target commercial! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShbS6_2LFo

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t seen any articles — and certainly not from MTV — that expressed surprise that Kris is getting a second album. You have any links to these supposed articles?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Thanks for posting that.  On the “Independent Tour”, Clay and Kelly closed each show with “Open Arms” and it was great!  Nice that Kelly asked Clay to sing that with her.  It must have been nostalgic for them both and some of the fans who were there.

  • Anonymous

    FYE had sold around 400k in the US as of January 2011, and did pretty well in a handful of countries (Japan, Canada, Austrelia, New Zealand, etc) and moderately well in others (Germany, Austria, Finland, Sweden, etc).

  • Anonymous

    FYE sold way more than 140K. According to this Idol Chatter article from August 2010, it had sold 333K in the US alone as of that date

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2010/08/idol-track-sales-adam-lambert-carrie-underwood-daughtry/1#.Tzs2f1xrOTE 

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    I’d also like to say that, in my opinion, the word “flop” gets thrown around way too carelessly when it comes to discussing ex-Idols, as does the word “superstar”

    YMMV, of course

  • Anonymous

    No, it’s not strange to be recording or anything else 5 weeks before a release date.  Daughtry was recording within 4 weeks of when his album was dropping. Record labels often times push things right up to the last minute.

    How much is Adam and how much is RCA? It is both of them! They both want to put out the best product possible. They both want a single on the charts at the time of album release. They both are excited about some last minute collaborations.

    I’m thankful that RCA cares about this album enough TO PUSH IT BACK if they strategy changes. Would it be better if they didn’t care and sent it out before they felt everything was in place?

  • Anonymous

    I agree wholeheartedly. 

  • Anonymous

    Hope to see video of the Kelly/Clay duet from tonight. Should be fun :)

  • Anonymous

    Trespassing isn’t months behind. Adam said they are “rethinking the strategy (concerning the release date), which is a good thing”. RCA is part of this decision. 

    Off the top of my head, albums that have been delayed this year: Drake, Daughtry, Clarkson, Nicki Minaj. They aren’t in a dangerous place and aren’t in danger of being fired.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    I’ve never seen any articles expressing surprise abt Kris getting a 2nd album.

    This was the last article I read. It doesn’t sound too bad but not good neither.

    Kris Allen talks to EW about working on his second album: What does he need to prove this time around?

    Other Idol winners who have earned lackluster sales — like Lee DeWyze, Ruben Studdard, and Taylor Hicks — have been unceremoniously dropped
    from their labels, but RCA/Jive must see something in Allen to give him
    this second chance. Recording a full album is not a cheap affair, but I
    do have to wonder whether Allen’s sales will justify the financial
    commitment.

    http://music-mix.ew.com/2011/12/06/kris-allen-recording-second-album/

  • Anonymous

    Kris looks hot in that photo. Adam looks hot in his photos. They are both my favs from Season 8.  I always felt that they both had a lot more musicality in them than we really saw on Idol. First Albums are first Idol albums. Mostly a singer on a rush job album. I think their sophomore albums will really open us up to seeing another, deeper, richer side of them as artists. So I’m very excited to see/hear what’s coming.

    Album delays are almost standard business for music industry. Drop dates are moving targets. I do remember thinking in Dec that the album was DONE and then somewhere Adam mentioned they were still working. They have only played maybe half an album’s worth of tracks. Maybe based on some of the early listening party comments from over seas they decided to finish working up some songs or try a few new things. Only the fans watching with baited breath even know the previous “release” dates that have come and gone. Most radio listeners won’t know anything til they hear the song.

  • Anonymous

    With regard to Adam’s single, IMO that song is not done. On the HAC chart he has gained 122 spins in the last 7 days. He is only 10 spins down from the song above him at #30, he’s 50 spins down from # 29 and 60 spins down from #28 (that song is dropping).  He’s gained more adds this week and his audience impression is going up. He is beginning to do more US radio promo. Why on earth would the label abandon this single now? Madonna’s new song is still sitting below Adam and she has almost 100 fewer spins. His song has only been on the radio for six weeks. IMHO it’s still way too soon to call it dead.

  • Anonymous

    If Adam’s album gets delayed, it will relieve me of the stress I feel watching BTIKM slowly move up the charts.  It seems like it needs more time.  I learned on this site that it is good to have a single charting well when an album drops. 

  • Nele621

    There is no way FYE sold over 378K units in the US. Who inputs those numbers? His fans?

  • Anonymous

    Sure you can always spin it that when the album release is delayed that the music isn’t good enough or something’s wrong, but it could also be that they had some last minute creative ideas they want to play with. See what develops. It’s not like the producers and songwriters that Adam has been working with are just sitting around. Maybe Dr. Luke’s schedule opened up and he was able to work on something that he previously didn’t have time for. If it looks really good then why not wait a week or two for it. I think there have been too many positive reviews on the songs that have been heard for the rest to be terrible. He must be doing something right. 

  • Anonymous

    The source is linked at the bottom and it was the RCA moderator on Adam’s official site.

  • Anonymous

    Michael Orland – I miss Adam Lambert all the time.  Nobody like him.  Never will be.
    AI Voice Coach – What do you do after the season of Adam Lambert?  Set yourself on fire?
    Queen – voice in a hundred million
    Yes, one of a kind.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    She was talking about the 378k number, which came from RCA Ed on AO. It’s about half way down the page linked below, though be warned for retina searing layout and whining of know-it-all fans. It’s easiest to find by using the search function and finding “For Your Entertainment.”

    http://www.adamofficial.com/us/node/1994618 

  • Anonymous

    *sigh*

  • Anonymous

    I know, but since she thought FYE sold “under 140K”, it appeared she was looking for any evidence to prove that the numbers weren’t from fans. The numbers from Brian at USA Today are backed up by Soundscan.

    The article was from a year and a half ago, but it should at least show that FYE sold 333K as of August 2010 in the US alone.

  • Anonymous

    No, that is wrong.  I believe the last info that RCAEd gave on the single FYE was about 351,000 at the end of 2010.  It didn’t reach gold but definitely was not a flop.  You might be thinking about Time For Miracles which sold about that amount but that wasn’t his song.  It was from the movie “2012″. Again, i

  • Anonymous

    EmyR, well-stated comments about Windup and James.  James is really perfect for the path he is being driven too, proving to be humble, hardworking, a good performer, and fan-friendly, what more could his record label ask for?   There is the challenge that rock music is waning at this time, but there are always revival movements in music, he could be in the right place at the right time.  The classic rock/metal touring bands are about to hit the wall age-wise, fresh blood will be needed, and James is only 23.  He may not ever be a huge star, but he has the tools to be, and he’ll always have work.

  • Anonymous

    a bit off topic and not really about Adam, but here is a different take on that whole Queen brouhaha… quite nice actually to see somebody really give it a though:

    http://www.deaneogden.com/2012/02/14/adam-lambert-queen-and-creativity/

  • Anonymous

    That was a good article, I like the way he linked the edition of Journey’s new lead singer to Adam’s fronting for Queen. Just because someone dies or leave the group, doesn’t mean the group should stop making music.

     You may hate Adam Lambert’s guts and feel that his potential addition to Queen will ruin a great thing.So what.Hate to burst your bubble, but this one’s probably not about you.

    This my favorite quote in the article, because it’s pretty much say what I feel. 

  • mmb

    As others have said albums are pushed back all the time. Sometimes they are done and the label just wants to wait for a specific time to release them; sometimes they aren’t done when anticipated; sometimes something new pops up at the 11th hour. It’s a little unusual in Adams case because a release date was announced, set forth in press release and spoken about in promo. But we’ve seen the same for both Drake and Nicki Minaj recently. Based on what he has said in interviews over the last 2-3 weeks it sounds like 1) there is a new collab that popped up at last minute, and 2) they decided to include the Bruno song and brought Dr Luke in as producer and he isn’t done yet. It’s unclear whether the Bruno song is the vocal collab Adam has referred to or whether they are 2 separate tracks. I don’t think a 2-6 week delay makes much if a difference ( but if he loses an opportunity to perform on idol during cd drop week I might wring his and rcas necks.). Anyway, they seem to be handling the build up to album really well – circulating sampler, getting it on most anticipated lists, story in RS, spots on tv entertainment shows, lots of print media abroad etc. Starting the promo train months in advance. All good. (the roll out of the single, on the other hand remains baffling)

  • Anonymous

    RITD was released at end of November and didn’t peak until the end of March on CHR. Granted, the peak was the highest it could go at #1. It took about a month before it debuted on Hot 100 (right around Christmas IIRC).

    But there’s a huge gap between RITD’s release date, and the date that it was pushed to CHR/pop stations.  When that song came out neither  Adele/her people or pop stations were thinking about playing that song, it was only after the song took off on Triple A, and then HAC came on board, as well as the media push that CHR stations started to play it, and her label started to push it to that format.  The situation can’t be compared with what’s happening with BTIKM, which has always been marked for airplay at pop stations, as well as HAC.

    It did establish itself on HAC quicker, but I was using it as an example since CHR is the chart that everyone says produces selling hits. It’s just too early to call in a lot of cases.

    Tell that to Adele and her platinum selling first album.  The album sold Platinum before the current one was released.  Chasing Pavements was pretty much the only song that was played on Pop stations, and it topped out at number 28.  It didn’t even do that well at Hot AC, just reaching 17.  Adele has always been a Triple A artist.
    Rolling In the Deep was the top song on Triple A before pop and HAC stations started to play it.

  • Anonymous

    Is it definite than that Trespassing is being pushed back? I’m sure the meh reception of Top 40 radio to BTIKM is part of the reason.  I wonder if we’re going to get single #2 before the album drops now.

  • Anonymous

    What matters is that RCA thinks that Kris has the potential to be successful. They probably have a good idea of what mistakes were made last time and hopefully a plan to have things turn out better this time. We also have no idea how much money was spent on the first cd, and thus don’t know if KATA made or lost money for the label.

    This.  I’ll take this comparison over to James too.  There aren’t a lot of rock songs on the Itunes singles chart, and the majority of rock albums aren’t selling 500K copies, yet these acts continue to release albums.  It’s not as simple as it seems in the bubble.  The labels not what they expect from their different acts, and they know whether or not an act meets their definition of marketable.  

    As far as Kris goes, it doesn’t matter what the bubble opinion is, his label believes in him, and believes that he can make them a profit.

  • Anonymous

    Regardless on FYE not receiving any promo

    Just off of the top of my head, a video, AMA performance, test spins on more than a handful of radio stations, being used in promo for Fox and being played on ET isn’t indicative of “no” promotion.

  • cwm

    In this interview from right before the Grammys, Adam suggests that the slippage of the album release date has something to do with “strategy.” Listen to :08 – :20:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vntI22swvLY&feature=youtu.be

    “…because we might be kinda re-working some strategy here, which is a good thing. It’s a really good thing.”

    So, sounds like there are two reasons – recent work on songs that aren’t yet finished (from Z100 interview), and some re-working of strategy (from this interview). And Adam seems happy about both. “Strategy” could mean a lot of different things, related to radio play, the single, marketing, aligning it with a high-profile performance, who knows…

  • Tess

    I wonder how many peeps in the “real” world, as opposed to the bubble, have the 20th of March circled on their calendar and have their day planned to make sure they get to the nearest CD outlet first thing?  Will the populace announce Adam as a failure if the day comes and goes without the release of the album…will they think up myriads of theories (all negative, probably) to explain why something that has historically proven itself as fluid as a release date hasn’t materialized?

    I’ll be the first to admit that, as a fan, I am a bit disappointed in the slow trajectory of Adam’s latest single (but I have my own theory as to why this song was chosen and released when it did…Beg for Mercy, anyone) but I am less than moderately concerned about its impact on Adam’s eventual album sales.

    I have watched enough music to know that a million seller single leading to a million seller album leading to world domination happens once in a gazillion times in the record industry and is rarely the path that most successful outcomes follow.

    By many accounts we are led to believe that Adam, like a lot of creative people, is a perfectionist and isn’t easily persuaded to release his work for consumption until he thinks it is fully formed.  At this point, after a couple of years wait, I don’t think it will matter, in the grand scheme of things, if things take longer than anticipated.  People will either buy the record when it is released, or they won’t and they aren’t going to not buy it because it wasn’t delivered “right on time”. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ll self edit and just ask has the delay for Adam’s album been confirmed or is it still a rumor? Oops, nevermind. If Adam himself is saying April, it’s more than a rumor.

  • Anonymous

    Yet the gap between release of sale and radio release seems to be ignored for BTIKM when, while obviously not exact, is not dissimilar in overall trend though on a much much smaller scale. I’ve also read here several times that it’s a HAC leaning song, but I guess those rules about which format a song is better suited for only apply to certain people. 

    Also, technically, Adele first album was only certified platinum in the US before 21 came out. 19 was sitting around 
    845,000+ in 2009, but it didn’t pass the 1 million sold mark until well into 2011. It sold 342,000+ copies in the first six months of the year, boosting its overall sales tally to around 1.2 million, according to Rolling Stone
    In any case, the only thing I was arguing was that it wasn’t an instant hit on CHR, the main format that is argued here at the one that sales and no one could have predicted it would have done so well on there. I gave other examples as well and there are even more than those where songs can and do often build over time on CHR. There are very few that have instant success on that chart. So, I stand by my earlier premise that it’s a waiting game from now on out and that’s it’s not uncommon for many (if not most) songs. 

  • Anonymous

    People have questions.  No one is trying to start a fight.

  • Anonymous

    et the gap between release of sale and radio release seems to be ignored for BTIKM when, while obviously not exact, is not dissimilar in overall trend though on a much much smaller scale.  
    I’m sorry, but it’s not just that this is different from Adele’s situation, but it’s also not true.  You are not talking about when BTIKM was released to radio, since it was released at the same time that it was released to the general public.  You are talking about when the song went for adds.  The truth is that radio stations had the song, and could play it even before the adds date, which some radio stations did.  The song seemed to receive a lot of test spins from Clear Channel stations, and it had six pop adds before it’s adds date, and about double that on HAC.

    The other thing that you are ignoring is that Adele’s song was not promoted to pop stations when it was released, her crew had no idea that pop would accept her like they did, and honestly that acceptance came after a massive promo push, and the song doing well on its NATURAL format.  Again, that’s another huge difference, since BTIKM’s natural format is Hot AC, where it is doing well, even if progress is slow, and maybe Pop.  Actually the argument can, and has been made, that Hot AC is BTIKM’s natural format, and that it has to do well  there first, like RITD did on Triple A, before Pop stations will give it a chance.

     

    I guess those rules about which format a song is better suited for only apply to certain people.  

    I don’t even understand what that means.  If it’s about whether we should ignore that BTIKM isn’t doing well on pop, I think the issue is whether or not RCA and Adam are fine with that.  It doesn’t matter that those in the bubble have dismissed that format, and have elevated those who do well on pop above those who don’t, what does matter is whether or not his song’s placement on Hot AC at the time of the album’s release is enough to help the album.  

    In any case, the only thing I was arguing was that it wasn’t an instant hit on CHR, the main format that is argued here at the one that sales and no one could have predicted it would have done so well on there. I gave other examples as well and there are even more than those where songs can and do often build over time on CHR. There are very few that have instant success on that chart. So, I stand by my earlier premise that it’s a waiting game from now on out and that’s it’s not uncommon for many (if not most) songs. 

    I thought that you were arguing that it took five months from the time of its release for RITD to make it to the top of CHR?  My only point that this isn’t true, since unlike BTIKM, RITD was not promoted to CHR at the time of it’s release, and that isn’t just about an adds dates, the song was not Physically released to that format until months after its original release to Triple A.

  • GS61

    I agree. It depends on a label’s expectations on it’s artist. I also agree about the rock comparison. Some may say James’s album has flopped, some others may say it’s a success. It depends upon your perspective and expectations.
    For example. James’ drummer and guitarist came from a band (In This Moment), whose most successful album only sold around 10,000 copies to date. James has sold over 8 times that amount in a few months. To them it is a huge upgrade.
    Granted rock is less popular, but it’s still a fair comparison within the genre.

    As for Kris, and any past Idols, I believe, the expectations from the labels are probably a lot less than that first album off of the show.
    Except for maybe Kelly and Carrie, unfortunately, I think the farther they are from their season, the less they are going to sell for that 2nd album. Look at Cook and Archuleta.
    The labels probably understand this and take this into consideration.

  • Anonymous

    I originally wrote out this long tl;dr counterpointing all your arguments but I realize it wasn’t necessary (or worth it) since you technically said what I wanted to say here: 

    Actually the argument can, and has been made, that Hot AC is BTIKM’s natural format, and that it has to do well  there first, like RITD did on Triple A, before Pop stations will give it a chance.

    This was actually the only argument I ever made and that if CHR is not the NATURAL format, then it won’t necessarily shoot up the charts on there. That is all I said in my original comment and I gave more than RITD as an example. If you don’t like that one, please feel free to sample one of the others.

  • asifclueless

    YouTube versions of Adam Lambert – Z100 Interview and performance

     Interview
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMXmXTNz82Y

    WWFM & BTIKM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNtIfdrD2_k&feature=youtu.be

  • Anonymous

    If you say so.  I wasn’t trying to be funny, just asking questions, hoping someone would answer them. I wasn’t picking a fight.

    Moving along.

    :-S

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t think you were trying to be funny. You had several assumptions in your comment and my reply was addressing those statements.

  • Anonymous

     Trying to catch up and probably a dead thread, but damn these acoustic performances are amazing. Adam is such a pro the way he can rearrange and deliver these acoustic performances so perfectly. His voice is so clear, controlled and strong. Lucky people who got to attend these gigs! And hiring Kevin is one of the smartest things Adam ever did. So talented, and the perfect foil and accompaniment to Adam’s pristine vocals.

  • http://twitter.com/AdamsArmyGirl Linda Vastardis

    I hope someone is still reading this thread …. I need ‘schoolin’ and I ain’t foolin’ …

    What is the difference between Triple A, HAC and CHR?  I know that HAC is hot adult contemporary and CHR is Contemporary Hits Radio, but what is Triple A?  And is CHR the ‘cadillac’ of  these three radio genres?  Does it make a difference if you hit on HAC but not on CHR?

    I am soooooo confused right now, especially since I’ve never heard of Triple A before right now; I only know Triple A as a term used for minor league baseball teams/players right before they go to the majors … is it the same with Triple A in music?

  • http://twitter.com/AdamsArmyGirl Linda Vastardis

    This is very helpful, albeit confusing at the same time, but I appreciate the link and the info.  Thanks …