American Idol Headlines for 01/15/11

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Today’s Idol Appearances:

  • Scott MacIntyre sings the National Anthem at the Phoenix Coyotes vs. Anaheim Ducks hockey game at jobing.com Arena, Phoenix. Game time 6 PM MST
  • Taylor Hicks appears on Weekend Today to talk about the new season of Idol NBC 9 am
  • Arianna Afsar competes as Miss California in the Miss America Pageant,  ABC 9 pm
  • Melinda Doolittle performs at the pre-inauguartion prayer service for Tennessee Gov-elect Bill Haslam in Nashville
  • Blake Lewis demonstrates BT’s  “Stutter Edit” at NAMM in Anaheim, CA. 2 pm.

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Rumor has it, Adam Lambert will attend Sunday night’s Golden Globe Awards. Jennifer Lopez will be on hand to present an award. Carrie Underwood will be there too. Her song “There’s a Place” from Narnia has been nominated for best song.

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Manager Gina Orr tweets that the twitter information regarding an upcoming college tour for Crystal Bowersox is “not legit.”

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More Headlines after the JUMP…

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Randy Jackson: I’m the Mean Judge This Season

As ‘American Idol’ counts down to its return next week, judge Randy Jackson acknowledges that this is definitely a make-or-break season. However, he’s very optimistic about what he calls ‘Season 10: The Remix.’

With judges Simon Cowell, Ellen DeGeneres and Kara DioGuardi gone from the hit show, a sea of buzz surrounds high-profile newcomers Jennifer Lopez and Steven Tyler. Jackson insists the new cast had “instant” chemistry during their first dinner meeting, but says there will still be plenty of bickering on the panel this season. In fact, according to Jackson, he and Tyler have already had several spats on set.

“When you’re passionate about a singer, you want them to succeed. Sometimes you’re really pulling for someone, and another judge just doesn’t get it,” he tells PopEater backstage at MTV’s ‘The Seven.’

Read more at Popeater

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‘American Idol’s’ 10 biggest mistakes

As “American Idol” prepares to celebrate its 10th birthday, it is pulling out all the stops to remind everyone why the show has been such a game-changer in the television and music industry. We see a parade of former winners and successful also-rans talking about how the competition made them stars, and judges speaking solemnly about how wonderful “Idol” is and how they plan to carry on the tradition.

Believe me, I like my birthday to be all about the cake and ice cream too, but birthdays are also a reminder that I’m another year older and it’s also nice to have friends who remind me that that I’ve made plenty of screwups as well as successes.

Read more at MSNBC

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Top 10 things ‘Idol’ judges need to do this season

“American Idol” is in transition this season, as the show heads into its 10th year. Last season, it said a tearful goodbye to Simon Cowell and gave a cheery slap on the back and plane ticket home to Ellen DeGeneres and Kara DioGuardi. With Randy Jackson the only holdover, it’s up to the new blood to revitalize the flagging Fox ratings juggernaut.

Can Steven Tyler and Jennifer Lopez combine with Jackson to form a trio that can rival the glory days of the Randy-Paula-Simon juggernaut and hold off the charge from the increasingly unafraid other networks? Only time will tell, but here are 10 things I hope to see from the new team as it prepares to make its debut in season 10.

Read more at MSNBC

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iZotope and BT Introduce Stutter Edit®

NAMM Show and Press and VIP Event
iZotope and BT are showcasing Stutter Edit at the 2011 NAMM Show in Anaheim, CA. Visit iZotope’s NAMM Booth 6920 for a live demo with BT and Blake Lewis (“American Idol” Season 6 runner-up) at 2PM on Saturday, January 15.

Read more at GuitarGearHead

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How Simon Cowell is rigging Britain’s Got Talent by ruthlessly targeting established acts he knows audiences will lap up

Acts which have been invited on to the show are promised they won’t have to queue like the rest of hoi-polloi — and are given guaranteed time slots.

Others are told they don’t even have to do a ‘first’ audition in front of producers (contrary to appearances, every single act is seen by producers before going in front of the judges), but can ­simply send in a video showreel instead.

One up-and-coming magician, who asked not to be named, was sent an email from a researcher inviting him on the show which said: ‘To make applications easier for people — especially at this busy time of year — we’re now accepting ­showreels in lieu of an initial audition.

Read more at Daily Mail

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Cheryl Cole and X Factor star are nominees in BRIT awards

Singer and talent show judge Cheryl Cole is among nominees, just announced, for this year’s prestigious BRIT awards. And sharing the honours is a singer she helped put on the international stage.
Cole has got two nominations: Best Female Solo Artist and Best British Single. She will be pitted against the Wanted and the runner-up in The X Factor in 2009, Olly Murs.

Read more at Digital Journal

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Glee & Cleveland Show Promo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpbLUnzmwsE

See more at FoxBroadcasting

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Carson Daly To Host NBC’s ‘The Voice’

EXCLUSIVE: NBC’s late-night host Carson Daly is in negotiations to host NBC’s ambitious new singing competition series (and American Idol rival) The Voice, from top reality producers John de Mol (Big Brother) and Mark Burnett (Survivor) and Warner Horizon Television. The show, in which contestants vie for a recording contract, is modeled after the Dutch Voice of Holland, which is the country’s #1 talent competition show.

Read more at Deadline

 
  • koshka

    Manager Gina Orr tweets that the twitter information regarding an upcoming college tour for Crystal Bowersox is “not legit.”

    Thats good. I think she’ll score a good opening act gig.

  • lorismile

    Ohhh that would be awesome if Adam attended!! That would mean Adam on a red carpet!!!

    MJ — Thanks for having these headlines threads. Too busy to post lately but I always check the news here.

  • Kirsten

    How Simon Cowell is rigging Britain’s Got Talent by ruthlessly targeting established acts he knows audiences will lap up

    They are even planting the joke auditions (some dude in a fox suit and the world record holder for burping). Unreal. Simon is becoming OCD with all the controlling. He just cannot let a single thing happen organically. Will he be able to dial it back a tiny bit for the American audiences? His show doesn’t have the love of the American people yet, so they might not be as forgiving of all this.

    We know that Idol probably recruits as well, but BGT must have gone into overdrive to suddenly have leaks like this. If you contact enough people, some of them are going to disdain your show enough to not give a rat’s ass about losing their chance on your show by revealing all. And that is what is happening here. So, Idol recruiting remains the “myth” of the Idol Knoll and the mainstream gives it little credence if they hear of it all, while BGT recruiting is a fact of public record. Small doses, Simon. Small doses.

    The four-page document states that if a contestant progresses past the first audition stages they agree to an ­exclusive worldwide recording agreement with Simon Cowell’s company Syco as well as ‘an exclusive ­publishing agreement’, ‘an exclusive touring/tour merchandising agreement’ an ‘exclusive management agreement’ and ‘an exclusive agency agreement’.

    None of the agreements has a time frame — so the ­contestants could be tied in for their entire career.

    Woo. That’s pretty harsh. We learned in the Josiah foo-fah that contestants that make it to Hollywood (or some point in Hollywood) get tied up with a “first right of refusal” recording contract until 3 months after the finale, but even the dude who wins on Idol is able to make publishing agreements with whomever they want (maybe there is no 19P). After the Clay management dispute, they apparently even gained the right to decline 19M. There seems to be no lifetime restriction on touring or merchandising either (everybody seems to go with whoever).

    Simon, you don’t have to earn a piece of absolutely everything from everybody for all time. You have lots and lots of money. It’s okay if you don’t get your pound of flesh from the person who is shown for two seconds in the background. It doesn’t mean you aren’t loved.

    But I don’t think it is a show that wants professionals; they want the checkout person from Tesco. They don’t really want to hear about someone toiling on the professional circuit — we don’t have a story.’

    That’s very aware of her. BGT is the biggest sob-story show out there. Probably because there are so few performances and such a short duration, the voters don’t have time to get bored with the sob-story (and the muckrakers don’t have enough time to expose the sob-story as a bunch of hooey anyway).

  • fuzzywuzzy

    How Simon Cowell is rigging Britain’s Got Talent by ruthlessly targeting established acts he knows audiences will lap up

    I’m not surprised at all. Shortly after SuBo appeared on the show I read a report that she had been solicited to appear on BGT (which disappeared shortly thereafter), and I wouldn’t be surprised if this happened. I’m sure that Simon has scouts all over the country trying to find contestants for that show and those contract restrictions fit with his controlling nature and desire to make big $$$.

    We know that Idol probably recruits as well

    I’ve always thought that AI does the same thing (soliciting contestants to try out, with perhaps guarantees that they will sing before the judges, or more ;) ).

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Manager Gina Orr tweets that the twitter information regarding an upcoming college tour for Crystal Bowersox is “not legit.”

    This is strange. That same company is promoting Lee (and that’s legit), so why on earth would they fabricate a promotion about Crystal? I have a feeling that there was a “miscommunication”, and perhaps Crystal’s tour promotion was posted too early, since Gina has tweeted a week ago that they will be in “promo mode” for Crystal “for a while”.

    @MamasoxVillage @CrystalBowersox too early for tour news. we are still in promo mode for a while. 1:29 PM Jan 7th via web in reply to MamasoxVillage Retweeted by 1 person

    * Reply
    * Retweet

    ginaorr
    Gina Orr

  • istersay

    Here are the tweets

    http://twitter.com/MamaSoxNation/status/26016614809862144

    @ginaorr This @mainstageproduc who is tweeting about Crystal needing venues. Are they legit? about 10 hours ago via Seesmic Web

    @MamaSoxNation not legit. Thanks for checking. 29 minutes ago via Twitter for Android in reply to MamaSoxNation

    Gina Orr http://twitter.com/ginaorr/status/26151521813004288

  • istersay

    Main Stage Productions removed the Crystal Info on their Facebook, I guess they got tired of deleting my comments, lol
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Main-Stage-Productions/173856852649827

  • larc

    Kirsten:
    They are even planting the joke auditions (some dude in a fox suit and the world record holder for burping). Unreal. Simon is becoming OCD with all the controlling. He just cannot let a single thing happen organically.

    I’m convinced that Idol does some of that as well. Some of the joke auditions they have are so obviously not legitimate. We probably see on TV the only Idol audition setting some of those folks are ever in. What we aren’t shown, of course, is them getting paid for doing it.

  • Grammie Kari

    We know that Idol probably recruits as well.

    Did anyone ever see Jordin Sparks in line? Her name is one that was mentioned back in Season 6. Now Aaron didn’t have to try out because he won Idol Experience at Disney World, right?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Main Stage Productions removed the Crystal Info on their Facebook, I guess they got tired of deleting my comments, lol
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Main-Stage-Productions/173856852649827

    LOL! Still, I think that at some point, Crystal may be promoted to book colleges and small venues. I wouldn’t be surprised if gina orr had contacted that company for possible promotion, and they misunderstood that it was not a “confirmed” deal … yet.

    ETA: The 3rd and Lindsley restaurant in Nashville has a capacity of ~250.

  • mmb

    Did anyone ever see Jordin Sparks in line

    If I recall correctly Jordin was rejected her first time auditioning and then won an Arizon idol contest the same year and so flew to seattle or somewhere to audition again (or maybe she won the idol contest, was rejected in that audition, and then travelled to another audition site to give it another shot…something like that)…anyway, it was repeatedly mentioned in story after story about jordin that she was rejected her first try and then flew to a different audition city to try again and made it

  • Q3

    I don’t think Jordin Sparks was a plant — I believe she won a contest that got her a special path onto the show.

    She won KSAZ Fox 10′s Arizona Idol then auditioned for producers in Los Angeles, California. She then auditioned in Seattle — I guess so they would have footage to show of her getting a golden ticket. If I recall correctly, the Arizona Idol contest winner’s prize was to get an audition for the AI producers. (I’m sure someone here remembers.)

    IMO there is a big difference between someone involved with the show encouraging people to audition and plants. I am not sure they have to pay the “joke” contestants to audition. Once William Hung made so much money, people know that a bad or outrageous audition can result in money.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    If I recall correctly, the Arizona Idol contest winner’s prize was to get an audition for the AI producers. (I’m sure someone here remembers.)

    That’s correct. The Seattle audition is the one that Sparks got as winner.

    Should anyone wonder, Arizona Idol is a real annual contest that predates Sparks. Other winners sing in an annual TV commercial for Sanderson Ford. I’ve even watched some of the live Arizona Idol auditions in person, at a mall — tons and tons of gals in heavy eyeliner belting pop songs, some on-key, some not.

  • Valentin432

    I think the “plants” became a subject of conversation around season 7.
    Carly, Michael John, David A. and KLC all had extended experience in the entertainment industry.

    Carly in particular already had a major label deal before. She also had auditioned in season 5 (Simon even comented that she was the highlight of those auditions even with some other great ones in the mix).

    Season 8, the biggest suspects are Adam and Matt. Adam was known in the LA community and Matt had two previous records.

    In other countries, Idol shows have been known to scout people on the internet and ask them to audition.

  • gangreen29

    I have no problem with a show like Idol or BGT reaching out and encouraging people to try out. I found the contract details that Kirsten posted for the BGT contestants much more troubling.

  • car

    Valentine, Kris and David C. and Lee had records also, it was not only Matt. But as long as you were not signed to a label you could particpate. Kris, Adam, David C. and Matt were not signed to a label. As long as they followed the rules of the contest they were allowed to participate. Being known in theatre or having a record does not make you a plant. They all deserved a chance at a career beyond what they were already doing. And their early experience was not hidden from the public.

  • Valentin432

    It’s not just about the records, there were rumors about Matt and Adam being plants before the show and some people, whose opinion I respect, pointed them as plants.

    On the other side, I saw reports of Danny being seen auditioning during the cattle calls part of the audition as well as David C. That’s why I don’t suspect them.

  • Oksana2000

    The only people who pointed to Adam as being plant were losers from VFTW, and I do not care for their opinion that much.

  • girlygirl

    Turns out Adam is (probably) NOT going to the Golden Globes.

    Rumor control: @AdamLambert rep tells AINow he will NOT be attending the Golden Globe Awards tomorrow http://t.co/gMSPxsm
    30 minutes ago

  • tierbee

    I have no problem with a show like Idol or BGT reaching out and encouraging people to try out. I found the contract details that Kirsten posted for the BGT contestants much more troubling.

    That’s pretty much where I am. They are casting a TV show – can’t blame them for going out and looking for members of their cast. But the contract details… wow.

  • smeggingnuts

    So we are getting tweet rumors now for Adam’s second album

    @yescassette
    enjoying working with Adam Lambert on new songs, he keeps the focus. And takes a hardline in quality control, I like that.
    59 minutes ago

    According to Yes Cassette’s My Space Bio

    Bio:
    YES CASSETTE Labelled ‘indie dance heartbreak’ by some due to the clash of infectious rhythms and lyrics tinged with sadness; Yes Cassette are the sound of laughing through tears.

    hmmm of course this is twitter who knows if he is or not lol

  • Q3

    Valentin432:
    01/15/2011 at 1:57 pm

    It’s not just about the records, there were rumors about Matt and Adam being plants before the show and some people, whose opinion I respect, pointed them as plants.

    On the other side, I saw reports of Danny being seen auditioning during the cattle calls part of the audition as well as David C. That’s why I don’t suspect them.

    Well, if TPTB selected Adam and Matt to be on AI8 — all I can say is, “thanks”! But I really can’t give them that much credit.

    I do not believe that there are “plants” on Idol and there is no evidence that either Adam or Matt were given any special treatment in the audition process. Both went through the entire audition process and waited in lines. Adam has discussed it at length in interviews and there is video of him from the San Francisco audition.

    So if Adam was a “plant”, he would need to be lying in his interviews, the Sacramento Fox affiliate is part of the plot since they covered the AI8 San Francisco auditions and Adam is in their footage, and the people who claim to have meet Adam in line are all part of this big conspiracy. And, are all of Adam’s Zodiac an Wicked castmates who have talked about him decided to do Idol part of the plot?

  • lorismile

    I don’t care how Adam got there. I’m just glad he got there.

    I will be eternally grateful to Idol for “discovering” him!

  • CindyM

    Eh, AINow also said Adam wasn’t on the Grammy compilation album. He may not be going, but i don’t look at AINow as a credible source anymore, they are wrong as much as they are right.

  • smeggingnuts

    CindyM:
    01/15/2011 at 2:42 pm
    Eh, AINow also said Adam wasn’t on the Grammy compilation album. He may not be going, but i don’t look at AINow as a credible source anymore, they are wrong as much as they are right.

    hehe well someone should tell whoever runs The Grammy’s twitter account to stop tweeting out false info lol

  • Q3

    lorismile:
    01/15/2011 at 2:41 pm

    I don’t care how Adam got there. I’m just glad he got there.

    I will be eternally grateful to Idol for “discovering” him!

    ITA!!

    Also, Adam’s page on charity: water is up to $51,337.20!!

  • Valentin432

    Eh, I knew the moment I included Adam in the discussion, the fans will make my post all about him.
    First off, I didn’t get that info from VFTW and even if I did, they have actually a pretty decent track record in breaking news.
    I brought up 5 different people, and FWIW in season 8, the rumore were that more than half of the top 13 were recruited.

    My post was not about it being wrong or right, I didn’t make that judgement call and both Adam and Carly are among my favorite contestants ever.

    If people believe there are plants is because that makes sense for both AI and the contestants.
    AI gets an insurance that they have contestants that can interest their audience and the plants get sure exposition.

    I do not believe that there are “plants” on Idol and there is no evidence that either Adam or Matt were given any special treatment in the audition process. Both went through the entire audition process and waited in lines. Adam has discussed it at length in interviews and there is video of him from the San Francisco audition.

    I saw that video of him, but it wasn’t in front of the Cow Palace where the cattle calls was taken place, so I assume it was during the later stages.

    Idol has been great at not having their system exposed but it’s been done in other countries where some contestant specifically said in interviews that they were recruited by producers, so I don’t see why they wouldn’t do the same in America.

  • bridgette12

    Isn’t it a tad late to worry about anyone from past seasons being plants. I hardly think a openly gay theater performer is exactly what American Idol would consider a great catch and would go to extreme measures to get him on the show. Whether it was Matt, Adam, Archuleta or Carly, all of them went through the same auditioning process. No one got special favors or broke the rules, it was a fair process.

  • Valentin432

    Isn’t it a tad late to worry about anyone from past seasons being plants. I hardly think a openly gay theater performer is exactly what American Idol would consider a great catch and would go to extreme measures to get him on the show. Whether it was Matt, Adam, Archuleta or Carly, all of them went through the same auditioning process. No one got special favors or broke the rules, it was a fair process.

    There’s an article in the headlines about plants. That’s why this discussion has been brought up.

    Some Adam fans are so obnoxious about he gay theater thing, bringing it in everything that is Adam related.
    Of course Idol would be interested in Adam, he’s polarizing, he has great talent and he was going to be compelling tv, just as much as the church going soulfull midwestern guy with a dead wife.
    Who is the most popular character on Glee? Isn’t that the gay kid with his love interest being the most buzzed about addition with a song that broke records?

    That’s what tv shows do they type cast. If you follow survivor, the amazing race and other tv reality show, it’s the exact same thing, except Idol has done a better job at not getting that part of the process out (or other shows don’t care as much about it being known).

  • Q3

    Idol has been great at not having their system exposed but it’s been done in other countries where some contestant specifically said in interviews that they were recruited by producers, so I don’t see why they wouldn’t do the same in America.

    But Adam has told his story about how he decided to go on Idol and talked about the audition process. So are you actually suggesting that Adam was a plant on the show, and that as part of the plot he has lied for over 2 years to cover up for 19? Anyone who follows Adam knows that this he is honest and frank, and would not do that.

    The only thing that I have ever seen about Adam and Idol was that the producers picked him as one to watch from the first audition. Well, why wouldn’t they? He may be the best vocalist to ever walk on the Idol stage, and even people who are not fond of Adam’s style have to admit he has an amazing and outstanding voice. Plus, he is attractive and had a unique style and…..

    A producer would need to be blind, deaf and dumb to miss him.

  • girlygirl

    even if there are “plants” on Idol, that doesn’t guarantee that the viewers are going to vote for them — or even that they are going to end up with record deals (for example – Matt G still isn’t signed). It may look bad when info about a contestant’s past music career gets leaked after the fact — much better to just state it right from the start, I think — but aside from that, it doesn’t seem to matter all that much since none of the people suspected of being “plants” have ended up winning, have they?

  • emmuzka

    in season 8, the rumore were that more than half of the top 13 were recruited.

    I think that people are having a different definition of what a “plant” means in AI context.

    Having a previous record/ a recording contract or being a professional singer doesn’t make one a plant. Even being scouted to audition doesn’t make one a plant. And if the scouters tell to the first cattle call producers that hey, the next one is one of the potentials, better check them out, even that, IMHO, isn’t planting.

    I see that plant is a person who has the record company behind him/her already, and they decide to place him/her on Idol to gain a fan base before this person will be offered the record deal that was planned from the start.

    Another possibility would be that the scouters/recruiters find a person that is such entertaining/controversial/with a great sob story that they simply want them on the show to create good tv. (And is that such a crime? Having a presence that makes scouters interested, isn’t that an audition by itself?)

    And then the producers would make decisions that would make the contestant to end up in top 12.

    There is only one problem with this theory: There must be a lot of producers and also the judges to make the decisions on who gets picket and who don’t, so keeping the planting a secret should be next to impossible. Unless, of course, it’s such a common practice that it goes smoothly without need to communicate it.

    That’s what tv shows do they type cast.

    But type casting isn’t planting. And if the producers can’t find a controversial gay guy to compete against their angelic widower in the final within the regular auditions? Then it would be just incompetent auditioning job that they would need to patch up with additional recruiting.

  • Valentin432

    But Adam has told his story about how he decided to go on Idol and talked about the audition process. So are you actually suggesting that Adam was a plant on the show, and that as part of the plot he has lied for over 2 years to cover up for 19? Anyone who follows Adam knows that this he is honest and frank, and would not do that.

    None of the supposed plants said anything about 19. We all know they are under contract, so in theory a penalty could cost a lot of money if they reveal some of the behind the scenes stuff. They don’t have any interest to do so either.
    I’m not questioning Adam’s character and integrity along with all the people who I’ve named here, I don’t care if someone tells the truth 100% of the time, most of us don’t.
    Do I believe the whole burning man story where he got high, and he had some kind of revelation about AI? Not really, but it’s a good one.

    Again, there is no definite proof about any of this happening, so I can’t honestly say that AI recruting plants is a fact, just that I have strong suspicions based on the variety of places I’ve seen this reported, along with the history of reality/foreign idol type tv shows where those methods are known quantities.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Didn’t AINow only state that it could not confirm that Adam was on the Grammy compilation album because his reps couldn’t confirm it either?

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    Yay BB is going to be at the Golden Globes!!!
    His birthday is coming up. I think the charity is an amazing idea :)

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    theres nothing wrong with plants imho

  • lorismile

    Didn’t AINow only state that it could not confirm that Adam was on the Grammy compilation album because his reps couldn’t confirm it either?

    That’s what I heard so I’m keeping it scheduled on my DVR!

  • kidding

    Do I believe the whole burning man story where he got high, and he had some kind of revelation about AI?

    Adam has told in numerous interviews (on video) that that wasn’t the real story as he told it to the reporter but Rolling Stone embellished it. He has joked that he didn’t see a vision of Simon but that he realized at Burning Man that he should take action to make things happen. And then later he decided to audition for Idol.

  • bridgette12

    Valentin432:
    01/15/2011 at 3:37 pm
    There’s an article in the headlines about plants. That’s why this discussion has been brought up.

    Some Adam fans are so obnoxious about he gay theater thing, bringing it in everything that is Adam related.
    Of course Idol would be interested in Adam, he’s polarizing, he has great talent and he was going to be compelling tv, just as much as the church going soulfull midwestern guy with a dead wife.

    How is it obnoxious to say Adam was a openly gay theater kid and he wasn’t exactly what American Idol would usually consider the type of artist they would have on their show. It’s easy to see how Danny would fit in with contestants of the past, but Adam broke the mold of the All-American, boy next door type. Do you actually think that Idol producers discovered Adam, made a deal with him to get him on the show and told him to lie about how he came to be on the show? If Idol was going to put plants on the show, wouldn’t they try to find another Carrie, Kelly or Daughtry, after aren’t they the show’s biggest sellers.

  • car

    Why can’t people just understand that some contestants are more talented and polished and entertaining than others. They will generally attract more attention on the show. And they will generally do better after the show. Is this not what was missing from seadon 9? Starting the plant argument against some contestants who stepped up the game and did a better job than others with no proof is just silly. Energy would be better spent in getting your career to a level that you and your fans can be proud of. And understanding that a win only gives you a win and exposure. What you do with it in on you.

  • platoken

    Who else thinks that “The Voice” will flop?

  • jpfan

    That plant info is quite interesting. I have no inside info whatever about Idol plants but it makes perfect sense. I’d be surprised if they didn’t do it to be honest. I think Carly and Kristy Lee Cook were obvious plants. KLC must be the most obvious plant ever.

    Idol is a TV show that needs good storylines to get ratings. And the gay angle would just ramp that up. I have no idea if Adam was a plant or not. He seems very honest but they make these people sign contracts where they can’t reveal info about the show for years. What’s up with that?

    Talking about plants really doesn’t have to be about Adam. These are contestants who I would guess were preselected if such things even happen: David A, Micheal Johns, that chick who was friends with the Idol producers, Jordin Sparks.

  • smeggingnuts

    I always thought a plant was someone who had a record contract then was mysteriously released right before idol. I mean (I know this is gonna start shit but) look at Lee. He has a record contract before idol then was released so that he could compete. And wasn’t his “old label” pushing is previous albums while he was on idol. I mean Jim Canitello even said right around the idol finale that one of his coworkers recieved a press packet with all of Lee’s previous albums. That seems like a plant to me.

    But does it matter…no. The people vote for who they want to win. It doesn’t matter why they voted the show doesn’t care. The people don’t get it wrong how can they. If the people didn’t want to vote for “the plant” they didn’t have to.

  • car

    jpan, it is true you would not know it Adam was a plant. But you also would not know if Kris, or Archie or Danny or Cook or Matt or Carrie or any of the others are plants. So we can all agree that we don’t know and we have no evidence to prove that anybody was a plant. And Adam was not the first or last gay person to appear on idol.

  • smeggingnuts

    So we can all agree that we don’t know and we have no evidence to prove that anybody was a plant.

    It also doesn’t really matter. They still need to be able to sell their music to the general public. And everyone has to work hard for that anyway.

  • jpfan

    Yes I have no idea who is or isn’t a plant. I don’t even know if such things exist. Except for Kristy Lee Cook. She was a plant. No doubt about it.

    Certain reality TV shows do “cast” their shows though. Survivor for example has scouts that look for people that would do well on the show. They don’t purely cast based on videos that people send in.

    But no one has ever proved that Idol “cast” a contestant. So far it’s just speculation.

  • tripp_ncwy

    But you also would not know if Kris, or Archie or Danny or Cook or Matt or Carrie or any of the others are plants.

    The evidence seems pretty clear Kris was not a plant since the only reason he made the show was because he was selected over another guy in a sing-off. :-)

  • bridgette12

    If any of my favorites(Fantasia, Daughtry, Cook and Adam) were a plant, thank you American Idol for your deviouness and manipulations.

  • tierbee

    LOL, wow. What’s with all the scolding today? I thought the whole “plant” thing was a VFTW-originated thing and specifically Season 7 they were talking about Carly (failed record deal, worked with Randy before). Or Joanna Pacitti who, it turned out, did have connections with… Randy again? The show somehow?

    But why get so worked up over it? It’s interesting to speculate. Unless Adam is here posting, nobody knows either way – but people are certainly allowed to have opinions, right? Only Adam knows… so to scold people for speculating seems silly to me.

  • tierbee

    If any of my favorites(Fantasia, Daughtry, Cook and Adam) were a plant, thank you American Idol for your deviouness and manipulations.

    Haha, indeed! Thanks, Idol!

  • Kirsten

    Yes I have no idea who is or isn’t a plant. I don’t even know if such things exist. Except for Kristy Lee Cook. She was a plant. No doubt about it.

    One year, I can’t remember which one, somebody noticed that all the planty contestants had low audition numbers regardless of what city they auditioned in. The audition numbers are usually within a certain range for each city (because they get handed out numerically). The fact that those plants had low numbers indicated that they must have been allocated before the normal audition process started.

    I think Idol PTB got smarter after the knolls started buzzing over that.

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  • koshka

    With claims about the amount of manipulation that the producers invoke every year and the fact that we believe the producers select each and every contestant and not the judges – then one could conclude that they are all plants. LOL Really what difference does it matter in the end unless you believe that the voting is artificial too.

  • tierbee

    Really what difference does it matter in the end unless you believe that the voting is artificial too.

    Hahaha, well… those people do exist :)

  • Indigobunting

    It is a pretty interesting topic, and I agree with JPfan – I think it would be surprising if Idol didn’t do it. They are after ratings and why wouldn’t they want “interesting characters” as well as people they think could make them money.

    As long as a plant wouldn’t progress in the competition over someone more deserving, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. And I wouldn’t like it if most or all were plants; I would feel too manipulated.

  • koshka

    And I wouldn’t like it if most or all were plants; I would feel too manipulated.

    As opposed to only feeling ‘moderately’ manipulated! LOL j/k

  • Valentin432

    How is it obnoxious to say Adam was a openly gay theater kid and he wasn’t exactly what American Idol would usually consider the type of artist they would have on their show. It’s easy to see how Danny would fit in with contestants of the past, but Adam broke the mold of the All-American, boy next door type.

    It’s obnoxious because it’s what some Adam fans do for everything related to him. This is brought up constantly to show that he has some kind of huge disadvantage when the entertainment industry isn’t exactly the most hostile environement to the gays and lesbians. If Adam was trying to make it as a professional linebacker in the NFL, I could see your point.
    To me, It’s exactly the same as Kris fans complaining every time about their favorite being disrespected by idol.

    If you can’t see how Adam could be appealing to the idols tv producers, then I’m not sure how I could convince you either.

    Do you actually think that Idol producers discovered Adam, made a deal with him to get him on the show and told him to lie about how he came to be on the show? If Idol was going to put plants on the show, wouldn’t they try to find another Carrie, Kelly or Daughtry, after aren’t they the show’s biggest sellers.

    Carly was supposed to be the next Kelly, that’s exactly how Simon presented her. And KLC? Blonde country singer, I’m not exactly the first to compare her to Carrie.
    Lady Gaga, Katy Perry who around that time had a smash hit single about kissing girls, were hot rising stars at that moment, maybee that was the sign of a era of OTT performers and the producers wanted Adam because he fit that mold.

    Adam has LA connections, he knew Brian Friedman before the show, Brian was a choreographer on SYTYCD and then on X factor UK, so Brian knew both Nigel and Simon very well.
    No I don’t think it’s unlikely that producers went to him and asked him to go on the show. That’s what happened to lots of people in different reality shows, so I don’t know why Idol would be special.

    Starting the plant argument against some contestants who stepped up the game and did a better job than others with no proof is just silly.

    If you are referring to me, I’ve mentioned people who didn’t do well on Idol like KLC and I’ve already insistead that it’s not against anyone, even tough people sure seem to take it this way. I really didn’t say anywhere that it was bad and even insisted that some of my favorite contestant got in AI probably that way.

  • dcglam

    Okay, I seriously doubt that Adam was a full-fledged “plant”. However, I do feel that his prior musical experience caused some attention and notice during the early rounds. I remember one of Paula’s first comments was something like……. “You were in the cast of Wicked.”

    And I am in agreement with those peeps who feel that it really doesn’t matter one way or the other. Yes, the voters still have to vote, and the contestants need to shine throughout the season as well as afterwards. JMHO

  • Indigobunting

    Lol, Koshka! Yes, all of us who watch AI are targets, aren’t we :)

    Whether we succumb to manipulation or not, that is the question……

    Valentin; I agree- not that Adam was a plant (I have no idea!) but that producers would see his persona as an attention getter in a good way. Although unfortunately Adam received some horrendous comments on blogs and such due to his sexual orientation, I think Idol knew he would be good buzz.

  • JazzRocks

    So where the heck were the plants when we needed them – in S9? Someone failed miserably in “casting” that season.

  • CindyM

    Yep, Adam would create buzz. And shame on people for thinking that being gay and out holds any kind of prejudice or disdain in this country!

    If Adam is a plant, thank you American Idol for being the best friggin’ gardener I could ever ask for!!

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  • ross

    But Adam has told his story about how he decided to go on Idol and talked about the audition process. So are you actually suggesting that Adam was a plant on the show, and that as part of the plot he has lied for over 2 years to cover up for 19? Anyone who follows Adam knows that this he is honest and frank, and would not do that.

    I don’t know if there are plants on Idol – but they wouldn’t necessarily have to lie unless someone asked them directly if they were a plant or not. For example, if a contestant says, “One day I realized I was at a dead end, and I needed to do something about my career, so I decided to audition,” it doesn’t mean someone didn’t come to them first with the idea.

    Also, as I’m reading here, I’m thinking: wouldn’t a plant have to go through the whole audition process in order not to draw any suspicion to being a plant?

    Yep, Adam would create buzz. And shame on people for thinking that being gay and out holds any kind of prejudice or disdain in this country!

    Adam wasn’t “gay and out” as far as the Idol viewers were concerned. He said he was, after the show – hence all the publicity about it after the show was over.

    It’s obnoxious because it’s what some Adam fans do for everything related to him. This is brought up constantly to show that he has some kind of huge disadvantage when the entertainment industry isn’t exactly the most hostile environement to the gays and lesbians. If Adam was trying to make it as a professional linebacker in the NFL, I could see your point.
    To me, It’s exactly the same as Kris fans complaining every time about their favorite being disrespected by idol.

    This post made me laugh. I agree these things have about reached their peak as effective arguments and people need to move on.

  • HermeticallySealed

    This is brought up constantly to show that he has some kind of huge disadvantage when the entertainment industry isn’t exactly the most hostile environment to the gays and lesbians. If Adam was trying to make it as a professional linebacker in the NFL, I could see your point.

    There are a lot of out actors and musicians that would, and have, vocally disagreed with this assessment. But getting past that, I think Adam has done well, and been given a lot of leeway that others haven’t, so we can only hope that things are getting better in that respect.

  • heidijoy

    David A. tried out in San Diego. He describes the process in detail in his book “Chords of Strength” If he was a plant, no one told him!!

  • bridgette12

    Valentin432:
    01/15/2011 at 5:43 pm
    How is it obnoxious to say Adam was a openly gay theater kid and he wasn’t exactly what American Idol would usually consider the type of artist they would have on their show. It’s easy to see how Danny would fit in with contestants of the past, but Adam broke the mold of the All-American, boy next door type.

    It’s obnoxious because it’s what some Adam fans do for everything related to him. This is brought up constantly to show that he has some kind of huge disadvantage when the entertainment industry isn’t exactly the most hostile environement to the gays and lesbians. If Adam was trying to make it as a professional linebacker in the NFL, I could see your point.
    To me, It’s exactly the same as Kris fans complaining every time about their favorite being disrespected by idol.

    If you can’t see how Adam could be appealing to the idols tv producers, then I’m not sure how I could convince you either.

    If Adam had been trying out for a role on Broadway, then being gay wouldn’t have been much of a problem, but he was trying out for a show where being middle America and heterosexual was the norm. As far as I know even the entertainment industry isn’t easy for gay and lesbian entertainers to be out, that’s why some spend their entire careers in the closet, because of fear of prejudice and backlash.

  • tripp_ncwy
  • car3278sweet

    It’s obnoxious because it’s what some Adam fans do for everything related to him. This is brought up constantly to show that he has some kind of huge disadvantage when the entertainment industry isn’t exactly the most hostile environement to the gays and lesbians. If Adam was trying to make it as a professional linebacker in the NFL, I could see your point.

    HA HA HA

    I had a sudden vision of Adam’s newest look. ;-)

  • car

    I think if idol could get a winner who is great in the eyes of the media, the public(with sales to back it up) and the industry, the plant, voter fraud, judge manipulation and TPTB favoritism conspiracy theoris would fade away. They really need to come big this time. IMO.

  • Marie23

    You know this whole “Adam was a plant?” or “gays don’t have that big of a disadvantage in the entertainment industry” just seems so ridiculous.
    I mean I really hate it when celebs and/or their fans play the victim card, but what major label would actually actively want to sign a flamboyant, openly gay, ott, theatrical male, at the start, when it’s pretty much accepted as fact that they won’t sell.

    Too big of a risk, why you think so many mainstream artist are encouraged to stay in the closet. And you can be extremely talented, but if you are prejudged that people won’t buy your music because of your orientation, what incentive do they have to sign you.

    And come on, Adam was pretty out there on AI. Pretty much did almost everything to hint at it, without actually saying it, almost like seeing a 7 month pregnant woman walking on the street, she doesn’t have to say anything, but you have a pretty good idea.

    Disclaimer: I really hope that this don’t come as if I’m bashing anyone, cause I’m not. Just find all of these claims so incredibly amusing.

  • ross

    Adam isn’t the first gay person to ever try out for American Idol. He wasn’t “out” on the show so to me he is no different from anyone else gay who was ever on Idol and came out after the show – in terms of how he fared on the show. What happened after the show is different. Yeah, he was more flamboyant than the usual contestant, but in music lots of guys who are straight are as flamboyant. Isn’t Tommy Ratliff straight? If not, well, there are plenty of rockers and pop stars who wear makeup and nail polish and have flamboyant stage presences, and who are straight. Probably more than there are who are gay, actually.

    Also, I don’t think Adam being gay has much to do with whether he could or could not have been a plant. I’m sure the pros at record labels are pretty good at keeping their ears to the ground, and knowing what sells or not. And it’s all a crap shoot anyway – planting someone doesn’t mean they’re going to take off – but you don’t really lose anything by trying.

    I’m not sure why everyone is always of the opinion that TV shows and record labels and so forth only make “safe” choices based on the past. They also gamble. There is always the search for something new and different in show business, and a lot of gambling and risk-taking.

    And I’m not arguing he was a plant, here. I tend to doubt it. Just saying I’m not sure these arguments are good arguments against it.

  • isisdagmar

    …again, I don’t know Idol well, but does it matter if Adam was a plant or not? Either way, the result would be the same.

    And while obviously being a gay guy in music (or movies or anything else) is in some ways a disadvantage, Adam seems to be doing really well and it doesn’t seem to be hurting his career at all. :) It’s annoying, for example, that he couldn’t release a song like fever because the male pronoun would mean it wouldn’t do well, but Adam’s career is going great and maybe one day he’ll help (along with other out artists) radio to get to the point where they will play songs like that and viewers will love it.

  • tinawina

    I don’t know if Adam was a plant and I don’t care. That said…

    but he was trying out for a show where being middle America and heterosexual was the norm.

    I think that might have been the case in the first 7 seasons but not season 8. Adam was not the only clearly gay contestant that year… there was that Von kid and some other kid – both got some pimpage. I do have some recollection of statements made that Nigel was always the one who had something against advancing/supporting contestants that were “too gay” and that in Season 8, Paula was the one pushing to let more gay contestants through now that he was gone.

    Also, while I agree that I can’t see labels falling all over themselves to sign an openly gay singer due to all the inherent issues, that would have absolutely zero to do with the producers casting the TV show. They would just be looking for good contestants. So I guess it could be plausible that Adam, a guy with a lot of friends in the LA-based arm of the entertainment industry, might have had his name floated to one of the gazillion field producers as “someone to look out for”, and that once he showed up the producers thought he was a good looking guy with a great voice and put him through. If he WAS a plant, it was probably in that way, not in a “RCA saw this guy in Wicked (or whatever) and now we are going to put this guy all the way through and pimp him to high heaven so we can sign him to a record deal” kind of way.

  • Planet Fierce

    Plants…schmantz!!! It’s a reality TV Show…you know, they just won an Emmy for that specific category? The show is produced to make M…..O…..N……E…..Y and they will do what they need to in order to achieve their goals. It’s Hollywood, it’s entertainment…it ain’t that deep!!!!! I agree that even if Adam was a plant (and I don’t think he was) I don’t care….thank you AI for being smart enough to scoop him up!!! Whoever found him should get a raise because that is why the show is still going, seriously!!

  • HermeticallySealed

    HA HA HA

    I had a sudden vision of Adam’s newest look.

    Been there, done that. lol

    http://www.mr-l.org/adam-lambert-in-debbie-loves-dallas-musical-from-2006/

  • car

    Can someone explain what being out and gay on the show means. I heard about the gay guy on the show and I was not even watching it. I heard about it on the O’Reily factor. I thought Adam had been out since he was 18. Was he supposed to walk up to announce it after or before a performance? Should Simon have asked him on camera? Did anyone else have to say if they were gay or straight? Were the people on this blog talking about him being gay at the time or did you wait until after the season had ended? Weren’t people writing about it? Don’t some think it cost him the title? What was the guy to do to satisfy everyone? I’m just sorry that it would be an issue in this day and time.

  • bridgette12

    car:
    01/15/2011 at 8:24 pm
    Can someone explain what being out and gay on the show means. I heard about the gay guy on the show and I was not even watching it. I heard about it on the O’Reily factor. I thought Adam had been out since he was 18.

    Adam came out when he graduated high school. The people on Idol knew he was gay from the beginning because he had to fill out a questionaire and they asked if he was gay, straight or bisexual. Adam said in a interview that everyone on the show knew he was gay, because he was flirting with both men and women. No, he never came out on tv while on Idol, because it was suppose to be about the music and not about who he slept with.

  • tinawina

    Nobody has ever been out and gay on Idol in the sense that no contestant has ever addressed the issue on air… either directly or indirectly (like say being filmed with a same sex partner for their intro packages, etc).

    BUT, there have been contestants who set off people’s gaydars like Clay or whatshisname in season one IMO. These guys were always presented as just wholesome young men, so there was always a level of plausible deniability going on. Then there was Antwan in season 4, who was sold as the mild mannered music teacher, and then his personal ads from a gay dating site showed up. And Daniel Hernadez (?) in Season 7, who came across pretty neutral but was outed as a stripper in a gay club by VFTW. He was voted off shortly after.

    I think the S8 crew was way less ambiguous about it. I think Adam was the only person was even remotely hard to read that year, and that was not by much. LOL

  • car

    Thanks tinawina and bridgett. I did not watch the show. So straignt guys and gals who were not married had their girlfriends or boyfriends in the intro packages, and not just married couples? But I guess it would have to be a real serious relationship to do that.

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  • Q3

    Adam has LA connections, he knew Brian Friedman before the show, Brian was a choreographer on SYTYCD and then on X factor UK, so Brian knew both Nigel and Simon very well.

    Nigel was not Executive Producer of Season 8 (or 9). Brian Friedman has nothing to do with the audition process. And based on reports from many contestants, the Producers really select the semifinalists — not the judges.

    There is no evidence that anyone from any season of American Idol was a “plant”. The TV show disclosure (broadcast at the end of every show), however, gives the producers the right to do almost anything they want for entertainment value. And who cares if they recruit contestants or not? I think they should do whatever it takes to get really talented people on the show.

  • tripp_ncwy

    The TV show disclosure (broadcast at the end of every show), however, gives the producers the right to do almost anything they want for entertainment value.

    The addition of Tim Urban S9. It may not have been the best enertainment but it got people talking.

  • spencer

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  • Q3

    They have raised the campaign goal for Adam’s charity: water happy Birthday page to $290,000 — total is now up to $56,383.08.

  • Kirsten

    Can someone explain what being out and gay on the show means. I heard about the gay guy on the show and I was not even watching it. I heard about it on the O’Reily factor. I thought Adam had been out since he was 18. Was he supposed to walk up to announce it after or before a performance?

    It seems to be that you are considered publicly in the closet unless you go on record as being gay. So, Kevin Spacey and Anderson Cooper are out to their circle of friends, but not publicly out (a reporter for a gay publication recently took Spacey to task for this). Even Victor Garber who attended red carpet events with his long term boyfriend was not publicly out (he may be now, I don’t know). Elton John and Boy George were not out until the too went on record despite the widespread speculation.

    Idols generally don’t state their sexuality, but it generally becomes obvious when they talk about their wife/girlfriend/boyfriend or the person in the audience is labelled as such when shown on camera. Adam’s boyfriend at the time was simply labeled as ‘friend’ and Adam chose to never speak of him. I forget how Theo mentioned it on CI (he was the last winner), but I think it was in how he mentioned his boyfriend.

  • Q3

    I have confirmation that Adam will be at the Golden Globes. And he is in another GG promo piece — for TV Guide. Usually everyone they feature in the pre-event promotion is involved with the event.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w42I1UHcKs&feature=player_embedded

  • readon

    It’s obnoxious because it’s what some Adam fans do for everything related to him. This is brought up constantly to show that he has some kind of huge disadvantage when the entertainment industry isn’t exactly the most hostile environement to the gays and lesbians. If Adam was trying to make it as a professional linebacker in the NFL, I could see your point.

    The entertainment industry does not necessarily mirror mainstream America. I had the same opinion that based on popular movies and television that America would take an openly gay entertainer in stride. I was very surprised to find that it wasn’t that easy. The media, which is always thought of as fairly liberal, may be ready, but I found that the people that I live with day to day were not as open about this.

    For me personally, there was a negative bias in church(obviously), in family, frends, and associates. Some people automatically assumed that because Adam was gay, then the audience at his concerts would be predominately gay. That perception made many uncomfortable about attending a concert. When you hear the comments about the diversity of the audience, some of those comments are made because some are surprised that the audience is mainstream instead of gay. This is not an assumption on my part, this is based on my personal experience.

    All that being said, Adam is not a victim and he doesn’t need sympathy to be successful. He just needs to continue to be himself.

  • Q3

    Idols generally don’t state their sexuality, but it generally becomes obvious when they talk about their wife/girlfriend/boyfriend or the person in the audience is labelled as such when shown on camera. Adam’s boyfriend at the time was simply labeled as ‘friend’ and Adam chose to never speak of him. I forget how Theo mentioned it on CI (he was the last winner), but I think it was in how he mentioned his boyfriend.

    Matt G’s girlfriend was in the audience one night and labeled “friend”, too.

    The comment someone made upthread was simply that it made no sense that TPTB would pick Adam as a “plant” because he was not a mainstream Idol contestant — an openly gay, musical theater performer. If Adam was a “plant” as suggested, TPTB would have known he was openly gay. If they were clueless, Adam put it on his Idol contestant application.

    Since I do not believe there are any “plants” on AI — I think the entire discussion make little sense to me.

  • Valentin432

    If Adam had been trying out for a role on Broadway, then being gay wouldn’t have been much of a problem, but he was trying out for a show where being middle America and heterosexual was the norm.

    There are over 20 million who watch this show. Not surprisingly a lot of very different demos, so yes there are a lot people who like an ott male rock singer, so producers want contestant that appeal to that demo, as much as they want contestants that satisfy the more conservative part of their audience.
    That’s pretty much what they say in the Rushfield & Mansfield interview.

    BTW, we don’t know if heterosexual was the norm because nobody talks about it. They don’t have to announce their sexuality on this show because it’s not about that, it’s about the music (TM Adam).

    I mean I really hate it when celebs and/or their fans play the victim card, but what major label would actually actively want to sign a flamboyant, openly gay, ott, theatrical male, at the start, when it’s pretty much accepted as fact that they won’t sell.

    Too big of a risk, why you think so many mainstream artist are encouraged to stay in the closet. And you can be extremely talented, but if you are prejudged that people won’t buy your music because of your orientation, what incentive do they have to sign you.

    If you still want to argue about Adam is the gay underdog because the music industry and america are full of homophobic people then fine.

    He’s an underdog who appeared and was hyped on the biggest mainstream show of the past 10 years, has the backing of a major label, worked with the most hyped producers in the business, got songs from the biggest pop and rock stars and got major support from a bunch of late night/day time tv shows and press/internet sites.
    All that without one original song sold.

    Adam isn’t trying to make it in pop culture 10 or 20 years ago but right now. What are the current best rated tv shows right now? Modern Family, Glee and Grey’s Anatomy. What they have in common? Three of their major and more popular couples are gay or lesbian
    Who are the most popular pop stars? Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Keisha. What do they have in common? All are friends/collaborated with Adam and prone free sexuality.

    I’m tired of arguing, the guy is successfull, he deserves it, I just wish his fans will enjoy the ride instead of complaining and seeing homophobes everywhere.

    Nigel was not Executive Producer of Season 8 (or 9). Brian Friedman has nothing to do with the audition process. And based on reports from many contestants, the Producers really select the semifinalists — not the judges.

    Come on, you know that the producers talk to each other, Brian could know anyone on AI based on his contacts with Nigel and Simon, Adam could know other people who know other people.
    That’s the networking game and based on what I read from artists interview it’s a lot of what is necessary to make it in the industry. It’s not about who you are but who you know.

    There is no evidence that anyone from any season of American Idol was a “plant”.

    It’s groundhog day, I think Kirsten said that in her first post and I’ve repeated it several times.

    And who cares if they recruit contestants or not? I think they should do whatever it takes to get really talented people on the show.

    And that’s fine, I still have no idea why people were so passionated about my opinion that he was a plant along with several other contestant that I have mentioned.

    As for wheter it’s good for a tv show to recruit a lot of their cast, that’s a whole other debate that I’ve argued a lot on survivor blogs and am not going to replicate here.

  • Kirsten

    The comment someone made upthread was simply that it made no sense that TPTB would pick Adam as a “plant” because he was not a mainstream Idol contestant — an openly gay, musical theater performer.

    Idol makes most of its money from the television show. The question you have to ask is if a contestant will make good tv and that doesn’t necessarily mean that TPTB have to think they will have a recording career. Regardless of what anybody thinks about Adam’s pre-show likelihood of being a recording star, I think the evidence clearly indicates he was very good tv.

  • tinawina

    The comment someone made upthread was simply that it made no sense that TPTB would pick Adam as a “plant” because he was not a mainstream Idol contestant — an openly gay, musical theater performer. If Adam was a “plant” as suggested, TPTB would have known he was openly gay. If they were clueless, Adam put it on his Idol contestant application.

    I think it depends on how you define “plant”. If you think of “plant” as someone the producers pre-selected before auditions with the intent of pimping them all the way to a win and/or record deal, than I think you may have a point. But if you define “plant” the way the OP seemed to be defining it, it means someone who was scouted and/or invited to audition by a producer, because they though they might make good teevee. Apparently there are documented instances of that happening in other countries. I think it is plausible something along those lines may have happened with Adam, in the sense that someone may have known who he was before the auditions and kept a look out for him.

    I would actually be a little surprised if the producers didn’t do that. It makes sense, and I don’t think anything is wrong with it. Not that I know or care if Adam was one of those. LOL.

  • Kirsten

    Since I do not believe there are any “plants” on AI — I think the entire discussion make little sense to me.

    Thanks for backing up my first post on this thread. We know Simon’s show has plants (we have the proof), but plants are knoll fodder on Idol (and imagine how far below the radar it is for those who don’t even follow Idol outside of the shoe). Will this affect X- factor in the US?

  • fanaround

    Thanks for the TVGuide spot Q3! Interesting that the organizer woman answered the question of what is the criteria for who gets invited by saying they only invite nominees and presenters. Still hoping for Adam on the red carpet!

  • Q3

    Idol makes most of its money from the television show. The question you have to ask is if a contestant will make good tv and that doesn’t necessarily mean that TPTB have to think they will have a recording career. Regardless of what anybody thinks about Adam’s pre-show likelihood of being a recording star, I think the evidence clearly indicates he was very good tv.

    I agree that the producers are primarily interested in TV ratings. But this entire stream started out with a claim that contestants were recruited to be on Idol….

    Valentin432:
    01/15/2011 at 3:08 pm

    First off, I didn’t get that info from VFTW and even if I did, they have actually a pretty decent track record in breaking news.
    I brought up 5 different people, and FWIW in season 8, the rumore were that more than half of the top 13 were recruited.

    There is no evidence that the American Idol producers recruited contestants for Idol — just rumors. That is different than picking contestants from the auditions who would make great TV. But if someone associated with Idol recruited Kristie, Archie, Matt, or ever Adam for the show, what is the problem? They all met the contestant requirements.

  • Q3

    fanaround:
    01/15/2011 at 10:40 pm

    Thanks for the TVGuide spot Q3! Interesting that the organizer woman answered the question of what is the criteria for who gets invited by saying they only invite nominees and presenters. Still hoping for Adam on the red carpet!

    Nathalie Dupree is only responsible for a part of the gift suites — and there are different rules for different suites. Some of the suites are open to nominees and presenters, others have less stringent requirements.

    We’ll find out soon enough if Adam attends, but no indication that he is presenting.

  • Kirsten

    I agree that the producers are primarily interested in TV ratings. But this entire stream started out with a claim that contestants were recruited to be on Idol….

    But how does wanting high ratings prove that the show wouldn’t recruit? Remember this discussion started because BGT recruits both good and bad contestants. Presumably, BGT does this to get good ratings. Planting bad contestants won’t directly boost sales of BGT merchandise, but it improves ratings. People who make good TV regardless of whether they are good singers or not improves ratings. Shows could be recruiting singers because they are bound to draw viewers with their excellent singing, their hilarious badness, their great sob-story, their spunk, their charisma, their ability to perform or a combination of all these things. Just as Survivor does not cast merely on a contestant’s ability survive in the wild or The Amazing Race for a contestant’s world travel experience, singing shows may also have other criterias in mind when casting a cast to ensure good ratings. If a contestant can bring in ratings, let Sony figure out what to do with them if they win. A successful garden often has many different kinds of plants.

    There may not be proof that Idol plants, but there is proof that BGT plants and that is bound to cause speculation about whether Idol does it and who those plants might be. Does Idol wait in their comfy arenas and wait for dream contestants to be recognized by frontline production staff during 15 seconds of singing or do they sweeten the pot by scouting out some dream contestants and encouraging them to audition and let them skip the ten thousand strong cattle calls? Believe it or not, some of those Survivor and TAR contestants openly admit that they were recruited (and never because they are survival experts or excellent travelers). Perhaps Idol might do the same.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I have confirmation that Adam will be at the Golden Globes. And he is in another GG promo piece — for TV Guide. Usually everyone they feature in the pre-event promotion is involved with the event.

    That’s not confirmation of anything.

    And BTW, y’all didn’t heed my request to take it down a notch.
    I know this is a tough request, but is it possible to not get so defensive every time your favorite is looked upon even slightly sideways? So what if some people think Adam or any Idol is a plant.

    I can’t believe the triggers that get some folks’ riled up. It’s not worth arguing over, or rehashing the past–which I loathe.

  • sapphire

    I highly doubt Adam was a plant. When you go back and watch the early group performances, Adam was hardly featured at all. Why would the producers “plant” him, then virtually ignore him? Matt and Danny were the most pimped in the early shows — they had a lot of lines to sing and were constantly on camera. I can’t remember which group number it was, but Adam didn’t get to sing a single line by himself. I remember feeling so frustrated at the time.

  • girlygirl

    Kris was at this Women and Children first gala in Arkansas tonight (he missed his Packers wallop the Falcons :( ) No pictures have popped up yet except this one that a fan tweeted (his mother tweeted pictures of Katy and Daniel’s fiancee, but none of Kris yet)

    http://yfrog.com/h8ex8gpj

  • girlygirl

    I don’t think Adam was ignored early on. They showed his group performance and at least one of his individual performances during Hollywood week — and his audition was shown as well. He, Danny, Lil and Alexis all were pimped heavily early on. Matt wasn’t really pimped that much that I remember, although the judges liked him

  • car

    The producers picked them all and they were all plants. That is my opinion and I’m sticking to it. lol

    Seriously. I saw the young lady on the Miss America. She was really good with her song. What season was she on idol and how far did she go?
    Okay I see a thread is up, I’ll check it out.

  • MarkoPolo

    If Adam isn’t at least attending the Golden Globes, I don’t see how his PR people thought was a good idea to go to the gifting suites. Frankly, it seems like a desperate bid for attention, considering that everyone else in that TV Guide video was either nominated or involved in a project that was nominated.

    Adam needs to get knew publicity reps if they think this kind of thing is good for the image he’s trying to build.

  • gangreen29

    Seriously. I saw the young lady on the Miss America. She was really good with her song. What season was she on idol and how far did she go?

    8. Didn’t make it out of her top 36 group. One of many girls screwed that year.

  • pineappletree

    Don’t people go to these gifting things all the time without going to the actual ceremony? I thought that was common. They get their picture taken and get free stuff too! About the ceremony itself, do you have to pay to go like the Grammy’s if you aren’t nominated or presenter?

  • MarkoPolo

    pineappletree: yeah, desperate d-listers who need the attention. You don’t see the likes of George Clooney and Halle Berry attending these things.

  • tierbee

    I don’t think Adam was ignored early on.

    I don’t remember it that way, either – I remember thinking that they really wanted him to do well, haha. Of course I didn’t have a favorite in Season 8 really as far as being super invested so I could totally be misremembering. Plus the fact that I’ve been sick most of the week and I have jello for brains.

  • pineappletree

    I thought Lil, Danny and Adam, were pimped from the get go. Then Lil faded, and it was all Danny and Adam. Maybe i am remembering wrong..lol

  • Mary102

    MarkoPolo:
    01/16/2011 at 12:13 am
    If Adam isn’t at least attending the Golden Globes, I don’t see how his PR people thought was a good idea to go to the gifting suites

    What? How was it actually bad PR? That he is considered important enough to be invited to things that GG nominees and attendees are? If that’s a misstep in his PR then everyone should aspire for such missteps.

  • Kirkee

    Adam was front and center during Hollywood week but during the group numbers of the early rounds he was kind of invisible. Circa TOMT things seemed to pick back up again for him.

    yeah, desperate d-listers who need the attention.

    I don’t think Lambert falls into that category. Maybe he was just invited and decided to pick up some free stuff? Those pics of Adam and his new Long Hair holding Golden Globe swag were heavily featured on many sites so in that capacity it did garner him a lot of attention and kept him in the public eye at a time when he wasn’t doing much. I’m not seeing the problem.

  • Mary102

    pineappletree:
    01/16/2011 at 12:25 am
    I thought Lil, Danny and Adam, were pimped from the get go. Then Lil faded, and it was all Danny and Adam

    Believe it or not, the people in the auditions and Hollywood Week with the most screen time were probably Danny and Sarver. Scott got a fair share too because of his story. Adam and Lil were probably the “next tier” of focus. By the time the 3 groups were settled with top 36 though – Adam, Danny, and Lil got the pimp spots, and were generally considered the “favorites”.

  • girlygirl

    I don’t see why you wouldn’t go to the gifting suite if that’s an option for you. pick up some swag, get a few photo ops, maybe do an interview or two. Seems like good publicity to me. Nothing desperate about it as far as I can tell.

  • Valentin432

    Seriously. I saw the young lady on the Miss America. She was really good with her song. What season was she on idol and how far did she go?

    Ariana picked a terrible song and performed it in a mediocre way. That’s the main problem with the top 36, you’re one and done and for the teenagers it’s a lot of pressure. “You Belong With Me” by Stevie Wright (when the song wasn’t big yet) is a guilty pleasure of mine.

    Well another rumor I read was that she was supposed to go far and was going to get a WC but for got really down after her performance so the producers/judges didn’t pick her.
    Anyone remember that one?

  • pineappletree

    Thanks Mary102. I vaguely remember the Sarver love now. Two yrs is a long time ago. :)

    I don’t think it’s desperate to go to the gifting suite. I would take the free swag. I do know there are some tv actresses that always seem to be seen at the gifting things that are never in attendance at the actual ceremony or nominated.

  • isisdagmar

    So what if some people think Adam or any Idol is a plant.

    Yeah, I don’t see why it’s a big deal. It’s not like it’s an insult if he was a plant, lol. I remember Lea Michele saying that she knew of him through the theater/cabaret world before idol, so it seems like he was known in certain scenes in LA, so maybe the idol people knew of him and wanted him to try out. Or maybe he just walked in and it all worked out.

    I don’t see what there is to be upset about with the idea that some of the popular contestants might have been invited to audition. Either way, the ones who did well on the show did well and the ones who did well after the show did well after the show. :)

  • isisdagmar

    Hold on, why do people think Adam might be presenting at the golden globes?

  • CindyM

    If it is true about the plant, I want the gardener who’s responsible for Adam to tend my landscaping forever.
    \o/ Standing Ovation for their work!! \o/

  • Maura73

    @isisdagmar, because the woman on the video said that only presenters and nominees were allowed into the gifting suites, and everyone else pictured on the clip is either nominated, or associated with a film/show that was nominated. I’m going to guess that Adam will probably show up at the GGs. I’d be surprised if he presented.

    @CindyM Plantbert lives! :) Adam’s true love has leaves. So romantic <3333

  • Mary102

    pineappletree:
    01/16/2011 at 12:36 am
    Thanks Mary102. I vaguely remember the Sarver love now. Two yrs is a long time ago.

    LOL – I rewatched it just last year on that idol rewind show, it was awesome to see it all unfold after already knowing the results, tbh. I remember being struck by just how much screentime Sarver got – with the whole blue collar, oil rig story, the family, the country roots, etc. Adam didn’t really get much screentime in Hollywood week in comparison to some others. Then again, much of that time was focused on the likes of Tatianna (eye roll).

  • Mary102

    I’m going to guess that Adam will probably show up at the GGs. I’d be surprised if he presented.

    This is what I kinda think too. It would be awesome if he presented, but we haven’t heard anything about it. He should present with Biebs, imo, that would actually be kinda cute!

  • Mary102

    Ariana picked a terrible song and performed it in a mediocre way. That’s the main problem with the top 36, you’re one and done and for the teenagers it’s a lot of pressure.

    Ariana wasn’t particularly impressive her season, then again, that top 36 is brutal, since only 3 of 12 go through each round – not very good odds no matter how good you are. And she was up against some other similar young singers (like Stevie and some others iirc).

  • istersay

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  • Maura73

    @Mary102 I hope he shows up cuz he’s adorable when all dressed up, and I want pics. He and Beebs would be cute presenting together. Someone tweeted a list of presenters that was, admittedly, not complete, and Adam is not on it. If he was at the gifting suite, tho, he’ll probably be at the show. I hope.

  • Indigobunting

    O. T. But Go Packers, :lol:

    Kris and Danny must be quite happy tonight :)

  • smeggingnuts

    Haha I could think of a few idols that would kill for the amount of publicity Adam’s little jaunt to the gifting suite gave him.

  • cher

    Dayum, did you see the stuff in the gifting suite? A, D or Z list? I wouldn’t care. Just let me in. Puhlease!! Just to even look around!! :)

  • isisdagmar

    isisdagmar, because the woman on the video said that only presenters and nominees were allowed into the gifting suites, and everyone else pictured on the clip is either nominated, or associated with a film/show that was nominated. I’m going to guess that Adam will probably show up at the GGs. I’d be surprised if he presented.

    That would be cool–I’d be surprised to, but him being invited to go the gift center and to be there, if he is, is cool. :) Sort of a “known outside of idol thing,’ you know?

    I have confirmation that Adam will be at the Golden Globes. And he is in another GG promo piece — for TV Guide. Usually everyone they feature in the pre-event promotion is involved with the event.

    Wait, Q3, are you saying you have confirmation from someone besides what’s said in TV Guide? B/c yeah, as weird as that is that he was invited to be there w/o being nominated or a presenter (though a nice compliment), I find it hard to believe he’d be a presenter.

  • sd34567

    @isisdagmar, because the woman on the video said that only presenters and nominees were allowed into the gifting suites, and everyone else pictured on the clip is either nominated, or associated with a film/show that was nominated. I’m going to guess that Adam will probably show up at the GGs. I’d be surprised if he presented.

    Well, I think that woman is wrong because I see a lot of pictures of desperate D and Z-listers who have nothing to do with the Golden Globes, go to the gifting suites to get free stuff. Not calling him a D or Z-lister, but I think Apolo Anton Ohno was on Twitter talking about hitting one of the gifting suites. I don’t think he got a chance to do it. He’s not a nominee or presenter or really have anything to do with the Golden Globes. He’s an Olympian.

    So, if Lambert does show up at the Golden Globes, I’m going to be saying “Why?” just like how I did when I read that he might show up.

  • Ratna12

    Kris was at this Women and Children first gala in Arkansas tonight (he missed his Packers wallop the Falcons ) No pictures have popped up yet except this one that a fan tweeted (his mother tweeted pictures of Katy and Daniel’s fiancee, but none of Kris yet)

    http://yfrog.com/h8ex8gpj

    Geez, Daniel Allen’s fiancée is so pretty too. What a family.
    Of course Kris is the best one.

  • girlygirl

    don’t know exactly what’s going on here, but it looks like all the younger Allens (and Allens-to-be) were having fun at tonight’s gala

    katyallen
    Crazy times! Woo! http://plixi.com/p/70328111
    2 hours ago

  • tamalepie

    yeah, desperate d-listers who need the attention. You don’t see the likes of George Clooney and Halle Berry attending these things.

    This reminds me of last year at about this time when some were saying that Adam doing the Grammy awards red carpet coverage for ET was such a PR mistake and made him seem like a D-lister. In hindsight, it didn’t seem to hurt him or his career. He did a good job, got some nice coverage from ET and other entertainment outlets, and, more importantly, forged a great relationship with the ET producers. They’ve given him tons of positive coverage this past year, for his video premieres, his tour, etc. One of these producers, Brad Bessey, is now working on “The Talk”, which might have something to do with Adam guesting in the week leading up to the Grammy awards. Adam is a great networker, lol.

    This last year he’s gone from doing red carpet coverage for the Grammies to being a nominee. Nice full circle moment :D

    If he gets to be a presenter at the GGs, wonderful. But if he doesn’t–no harm, no foul. At the very least it looks like he got some primo vodka.

  • fadetowhite

    I can’t see anyone who wants to make a name/career for themselves turning down an opportunity to go to one the the best known award shows around – which the Golden Globes is.

    It means that Adam is maintaining and building on his profile – and I think his Grammy nomination is probably enough to open some of these doors for him now.

    So great for him – I’d love to see my guy getting some of these opportunities one day; though he seems to prefer hibernating between actual gigs, so I’m resigned to thinking it unlikely :lol – and I’d hate to see something that really, can only be interpreted as a huge positive and recognition knocked.

    So congrats to Adam and Adam fans if the rumours turn into reality. It’s great kudos.

  • agathe.hb

    tamalepie, you are so right :)
    he is a great networker and he is nice, humble, articulate and people remember him for that….
    great circle moment for him, bb deserves it, he has been working so hard…..

  • agathe.hb

    fadetowhite, I am guessing you are talking about David C., right? I love him, he is my second favorite after Adam, of course…. why is it taking it so long for him to record this darn album? he needs to be out there, seriously, before “regular folks” forget him……

  • webster

    I remember being struck by just how much screentime Sarver got – with the whole blue collar, oil rig story, the family, the country roots, etc. Adam didn’t really get much screentime in Hollywood week in comparison to some others. Then again, much of that time was focused on the likes of Tatianna (eye roll).

    I’ve always had the impression that some good contestants are purposely hidden during the early rounds for the surprise factor. Kind of a bait and switch to get people watching every episode. Maybe that just comes largely from the fact that I don’t watch much of the early rounds, but it does feel like they purposely focus on just a few, not to pimp them so much as to have new product for each show. I love it on the voting rounds if there is someone I’ve never seen yet. Like, I saw Adam for the first time when he sang Satisfaction, and that was a very cool surprise.

    And I think the plant issue is confused by the squishy definitions. Is a plant someone who is:
    - recruited to compete under the normal rules?
    - recruited with some streamlined process of early rounds?
    - payed by the show with a promise of tv time to make good tv?
    - booked by their record company as a way to get a fan base (with ai being complicit)

    The only one I have serious problem with, is the last, but I would hope for honesty from the show and contestants if any were the case.

  • smeggingnuts

    Tamalepie
    Love ur name :)

    Not an AI fan and not particularly interested in Cook first album but I am wanting to here his new one:…but geez man there is being fashionalbly late but this is rediculous..hurry up man

  • koshka

    If Adam isn’t at least attending the Golden Globes, I don’t see how his PR people thought was a good idea to go to the gifting suites. Frankly, it seems like a desperate bid for attention, considering that everyone else in that TV Guide video was either nominated or involved in a project that was nominated.

    Adam needs to get knew publicity reps if they think this kind of thing is good for the image he’s trying to build.

    Makes perfect sense.. including staying at some swanky hotel so that the paps can’t follow him around. LOL

  • fadetowhite

    agathe.hb

    Well no – I was really talking about being kind of flummoxed that Adam attending a Golden Globes event could be seen as anything but positive for him, but that’s life…

    As for Cook – he’s definitely a different person and I alternate between admiring that he doesn’t seem to do that kind of networking and wishing he had had a bit more PR savvy over the past few years.

    But that’s him and it’s a part of why I liked him in the first place, so what are you going to do? :lol

    In any case, Adam and his team have definitely pursued the right path with regards to the celebrity/getting known in the right circles line and it contributes a great deal to the portrait of him as an up and coming ‘star’. And that’s great for him!

  • lorismile

    In the TV Guide video from the gifting suite a woman says only nominees and presenters are invited to the gifting suite. I think that’s where people are thinking he will be presenting.

  • mmb

    Adam is now being criticized for going to a gg gifting suite????? Lol. Who among us wouldn’t love the opportunity to be showered with some cool free stuff?!?! I highly doubt Adam will be a presenter at the globes or will even be in attendance. There was recently an article in the times or someplace talking about how the globes have very limited tickets bc the ballroom it us held in is very small and how all if these big name agents were upset that they couldn’t get tickets this year

    Anyway, all that is usually required to enter a gifting suite is an invitation. Many who go do not attend the award show itself. And no, no just desperate d- listed

    But who knows, Adam was invited by someone to the sag awards last year, maybe hr scored an invite to the globes and will be thefe

  • koshka

    But who knows, Adam was invited by someone to the sag awards last year, maybe hr scored an invite to the globes and will be thefe

    mmb.. I’m with you on this. Adam has a good number of contacts who work behind the scenes in the industry. He very well could have known one of the people who works with one of the ‘give away’ companies or someone organizing some part of the globes & he scored a pass. There are lots of different posibilities, nothing would surprise me.

  • mmb

    Sorry for all the typos. Written on iPhone and can’t edit. Should have read ” not just d listers “

  • sd34567

    It means that Adam is maintaining and building on his profile – and I think his Grammy nomination is probably enough to open some of these doors for him now.

    I don’t think so. Just because he has a Grammy nomination means that he should be invited everywhere? Please. When it comes time for the Oscars, I’m sure he’ll pop up in the gifting suites then. Or even attend one of the after parties. Will it be because of his Grammy nomination?

    But who knows, Adam was invited by someone to the sag awards last year, maybe hr scored an invite to the globes and will be thefe

    I was surprised to see him at the SAG Awards last year. I actually said, “What the hell is he doing there? He has no business being there.” out loud at my TV. If he actually pops up at the Golden Globes, I will say the same thing.

  • Planet Fierce

    Getting ahead in Hollywood is ALL about getting attention, IMHO! And I would think that when George and Halle were starting out they were most definitely following up on these types of invitations, and if it fits their schedules, they are probably still going….another good reason for Adam to go, he gets to network with others in the industry that may lead to new and exciting opportunities for him. I do not see the down side in this at all for any upcoming star, I see it as Networking 101, a “must do” if the opportunity presents itself.

  • MarkoPolo

    Who among us wouldn’t love the opportunity to be showered with some cool free stuff?!?!

    That’s exactly the point. Regular people want free stuff. A-List celebrities are above that, by very merit of them NOT NEEDING IT.

    Haha I could think of a few idols that would kill for the amount of publicity Adam’s little jaunt to the gifting suite gave him.

    Adam’s not competing with Idols any more. If he wants to be compared to the likes of Katy Perry and Justin Bieber he needs to avoid this kind of thing. Now, I’ll take ALL of this back if he’s presenting – or even attending – the awards tonight. And you’re right that these gifting suite images showed up on a lot of blogs, so people could logically draw the conclusion that he’s going to be there tonight. If he isn’t… it looks cheap.

    I want to stress that I’m not faulting Adam for this, if true. Read my earlier posts: I think this is a misstep by his PR people.

    I do not see the down side in this at all for any upcoming star, I see it as Networking 101, a “must do” if the opportunity presents itself.

    If he wanted networking opportunities, why didn’t he go to the CCMA’s or the after parties? At least he would have had the opportunity to talk to some people in the industry, not purse designers.

  • Tess

    So…to be an A-list “Star” is to refuse to be “seen” at such things as gifting suites prior to Awards shows. The only people that attend these are desperate individuals who are to cheap to go out and “buy” the stuff. (keyboarded with sarcasm).

    First the reason for the “gifts” is to get high media visable people to use, wear, or endorse a product. A “star” talking on the latest phone version and photographed by the Paps is advertising gold for a phone manufacturer, or someone famous carrying the latest handbag..same thing.

    And I have seen numerous A listers talking about the “swag” they have received. Just because some of the big-name stars are not “interviewed” during their jaunts to pick up their stuff doesn’t mean that they didn’t.

  • FREIDAG

    I want to stress that I’m not faulting Adam for this, if true. Read my earlier posts: I think this is a misstep by his PR people.

    Yeah I think it was a misstep by Rihanna’s and Beiber’s PR people when they went after the Grammy swag last year. Everyone is still talking about how desperate they looked!!!!

    LOL

  • MarkoPolo

    Yeah I think it was a misstep by Rihanna’s and Beiber’s PR people when they went after the Grammy swag last year. Everyone is still talking about how desperate they looked!!!!

    LOL

    I feel like I’m talking to people with mental deficiency. My point is that if he DOESN’T GO to the Globes it looks desperate. Rihanna and Bieber ATTENDED the Grammys ceremony last year.

    Tess: Please point out to me where these endorsement-seeking A-listers were in that TV Guide video. Or the blog photos from the event. They were all NOMINEES or associated with a NOMINATED PROGRAM and thus had a reason for being there. If Adam’s not invited to the awards show, why did he go?

  • mmb

    Honestly this is the first time I have ever heard of a celebrity being accused of looking desperate by visiting a gift suite. He went because he was invited. Maybe he will be at the globes, maybe he won’t. I suspect that the tb guide article may have been wrong when they said the suite was only for presenters and nominees. Most ofvthe time these gifting things cast a wider net. Could not disagree more with the assertion that it is a PR misstep to visit a gift suite. Lol

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Ok peeps, I think it’s time to swing the conversation back to Adam’s hair. :) This picture of Adam in the football gear I got upthread is nice. His natural hair color looks good.

    http://www.mr-l.org/adam-lambert-in-debbie-loves-dallas-musical-from-2006/

    ETA – Kevin Spacey is gay?

  • dcglam

    ITA, Planet Fierce!

    Regarding Adam’s attendance at the Golden Globes…….. Hasn’t he always tweeted to his fans about his TV appearances, whether he is performing or merely attending? Although speculating is a lot more fun, it seems that he generally lets us know beforehand. The fact that he hasn’t said a word about it makes me believe that it isn’t happening.
    Hey, but I hope I’m wrong!

  • MarkoPolo

    mmb: please tell me how you think it’s a good PR move for him to NOT got to the CCMAs, the CCMA afterparties, or the Globes themselves… but to show up to a Globes gifting suite.

    He looks like an interloper, especially since he was actually invited to most of these events last year. It casts a very stark contrast.

  • FREIDAG

    @MarkoPolo I’m sorry but did you just single me out as having a mental deficiency for not agreeing with you or understanding your vastly superior take on Adam’s status in the industry? That’s not very nice.

    I guess if all it takes to look desperate in your eyes is to NOT attend the event in question after going to the gifting suite maybe it would have been a good idea for you to have waited to condemn Adam and his PR people until after the Globes to see if he actually attended or not.

    Still it’s nice to see someone so overly concerned with Adam’s future that they worry about how he’s coming across to the world! :) I find it kind of hilarious and much ado about nothing myself. But I’m an Adam fan.

  • FREIDAG

    ETA – Kevin Spacey is gay?

    Yes but I don’t know if he’s officially out or anything. Spacey lives in London right? I remember seeing a stalker article with him and a guy sitting on the beach making out in LA years ago. No wonder he moved.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    He looks like an interloper, especially since he was actually invited to most of these events last year. It casts a very stark contrast.

    I don’t think you can look like an interloper if you are invited? I don’t think Adam needs free stuff since I think he is doing fine financially. Did he tweet about going to the gifting thing? If not, I think it was another networking opportunity that he took advantage of.

  • mmb

    How can someone be deemed an ” interloper” for attending an event to which they were invited????? Suffice it to say, I don’t think Adam will be at the globes, and I hope he got some good swag at the gifting suite and I don’t think his attendance or nonattendance at either has much meaning at all. Looking forward to seeing pics of Adam at various Grammy events. Moving on…,.

  • MarkoPolo

    undercooked: if the only networking opportunity he can get this year is at a purse party, then I truly feel sorry for him.

  • FREIDAG

    if the only networking opportunity he can get this year is at a purse party, then I truly feel sorry for him.

    Hey, smile now! I’m sure his GRAMMY nomination will get him many more! And when Adam hits that swag party there will be plenty of press, pictures and vids. And you won’t have to sweat his status! ;)

  • mmb

    ^^ umm he was just at Perez party with tons of big name music producers and will be at the Grammys, various Grammy parties, and certainly Clive davis’ party. I wouldn’t be feeling too sorry for Adam….. Sheesh, all this over a little free swag. It is truly amazing that Adam can’t do something as simple as attending a gift suite without being criticized for it by idol fans

  • MarkoPolo

    FREIDAG: yeah, his PR people are doing a bang-up job with the post nomination press so far. Nary a whisper to be heard. If the best exposure he can possibly hope for is swag party/red carpet pics at the Grammys… then someone on his team is seriously underselling him and needs to be fired. Just my opinion.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    – Kevin Spacey is gay?

    Yes but I don’t know if he’s officially out or anything. Spacey lives in London right? I remember seeing a stalker article with him and a guy sitting on the beach making out in LA years ago. No wonder he moved.

    Ah, that’s too bad about the paps invading his privacy. I’m a fan of Spacey’s work. He is a terrific actor and on top of that seems like a very nice guy.

  • mmb

    Marko whado you think his PR peeps should be doing? He is between album cycles and doesn’t have a single to promote. He just finished his tour. So he is not gonna be doing the talk show circuit etc. They got his on the Grammy cd, his eths ran. He will be doing at least one talk show appearance during Grammy week What else should he be doing?

  • MarkoPolo

    mmb: um, talking up the fact that he GOT A NOMINATION is a good place to start. And although there isn’t a timetable on his 2nd album, the fact that there is ZERO buzz about it (not one mention in any major media outlet’s “Most Anticipated Albums of 2011″ list. Go read MTV’s; there are no-name acts mentioned. Even albums with no release date. But Adam is nowhere to be found).

    I’m not asking that his PR people OVEREXPOSE him like GaGa. But for goodness sake there should be some details being dropped about his next album. SOMETHING to plant the kernel of interest in the public’s mind so it can germinate before the product launch. It’s a wasteland right now.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    MarkoPolo – There has been a bit of a lull in the Adam news this past couple weeks, except for the hair. LOL! But really, he just finished his tour last month and just got his grammy nom so it’s not like he’s been MIA in the media for months.

    What will be interesting is how this new AI season impacts the old idols. Will they get buzz? Will AI tout Fannie and Adam because of their grammy noms? It’s a given Carrie will be featured with or without her grammy noms. She’s on idol it seems like twice a season. She’s on so much I think AI smight as well just make the idol winner trophy in Carrie’s image and display each week on the idol stage.

  • FREIDAG

    And now we’re talking about Adam not having enough press! This thread is a joy!

  • Fullmoon

    And now we’re talking about Adam not having enough press! This thread is a joy!

    LOL

  • FREIDAG

    Ah, that’s too bad about the paps invading his privacy. I’m a fan of Spacey’s work. He is a terrific actor and on top of that seems like a very nice guy.

    Agreed. I saw him live on stage in NYC in The Iceman Commeth when I lived there and his talent is jaw dropping.

  • MarkoPolo

    There has been a bit of a lull in the Adam news this past couple weeks, accept for the hair.

    His hair is the last thing that should be getting publicity right now. The Grammy nomination was a perfect platform to initiate discussion about his MUSIC and how the acknowledgement has earned him credibility from the industry. Instead there are pics of his hair.

    LOL! But really, he just finished his tour last month and just got his grammy nom so it’s not like he’s been MIA in the media for months.

    He was COMPLETELY MIA the entire time he was on that far-too-long tour, except for the oasis that was the Malaysian news cycle. That was wonderful because it started a discourse about socially relevant issues. Not his hair.

  • FREIDAG

    He was COMPLETELY MIA the entire time he was on that far-too-long tour, except for the oasis that was the Malaysian news cycle.

    Seriously? MIA? Wow. Seriously? Glad to see you follow Adam closely.

  • tuti

    first get your info then illusional judging about adam.why most people in here are judgemental and jumping into conclusion and make up stories?

    most in here should be a fictional writer,adam in pic sitting next to hes friends, why always anything adam do, he get attack by it.

    its like reading twilight or harry potter story with illusional thought that dosent exist.

  • MarkoPolo

    Seriously? Wow. You must not follow Adam too closely.

    And that’s JUST the problem. You’re looking at this through the microscope of the super-fan. You really have no idea how much he’s been seen by the general public lately, have you? The Malaysian news cycle was the ONLY one that had any major penetration outside of his fandom bubble. The average Joe has no idea where he’s been these last 6 months.

    Please, someone argue my points with facts. Please, give me a major “Most Anticipated Albums of 2011″ list that Adam WAS on and I’ll shut up. Please show me (non-Idol blog) articles about the Grammys that mention him. Anything.

  • FREIDAG

    first get your info then illusional judging about adam.why most people in here are judgemental and jumping into conclusion and make up stories?

    most in here should be a fictional writer,adam in pic sitting next to hes friends, why always anything adam do, he get attack by it.

    its like reading twilight or harry potter story with illusional thought that dosent exist.

    tuti: Today I agree with you! :)

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    He was COMPLETELY MIA the entire time he was on that far-too-long tour, except for the oasis that was the Malaysian news cycle. That was wonderful because it started a discourse about socially relevant issues. Not his hair.

    Yes, I know his hair isn’t the most important thing. :) Adam has probably gotten more international press these past few months than US press. He did, however get some nice US press for his Acoustic EP and his Grammy nom, both music related news. I wouldn’t discount the International press for Adam because I expect close to half of his sales will come from outside the US. He’s received some nice awards and nomininations recently from various countries so I do think that helps his profile in the US with music execs.

    But I agree, it would be nice to see more news on his upcoming album. Perhaps his PR people are busy behind the scenes pressing the flesh, so to speak, to try and get him a performance slot on the Grammys? That would be a terrific PR feat if his peeps can pull that off, but I think it is a long shot. Also, Adam needs to get a single ready to perform on this season of AI. Now if they fail to get him an AI date, I will come back and agree with you Marko that his PR people have dropped the ball.

  • smeggingnuts

    Hahahaha now his world tour was too long…..hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • FREIDAG

    MarkoPolo: There is no use arguing with you. This has gone beyond your “anger” at Adam’s PR people and GG swag. Adam was in the news with his song covering, pot smoking, fan kissing, date selling out world-wide tour! Glamnation received more press than many other tours with the exception of how shall I put it for you, the “A Listers”.

    I’m sure there are a good many idols who would have loved the press Adam received since July. I’m sure others on this blog could document more but I’m done and off for my Sunday Morning coffee at the Farmer’s Market in LA.

    If I see Adam there I’ll tell him about your concerns. ;)

  • MarkoPolo

    smegginnuts: Don’t put words in my mouth. I said the TOUR as a WHOLE was too long. The international portion of the tour was perfect (except for the ridiculous 4 shows in 4 nights in the UK with no substantial press). It was the domestic tour that was far too long; that was a logistical nightmare. If you think otherwise, I have to question how much you know about touring.

    He did, however get some nice US press for his Acoustic EP and his Grammy nom, both music related news.

    Oh dear GOD, don’t even get me started on the clusterf@ck that was the Acoustic EP cycle. That was completely wasted capital, and the media doesn’t like to be made fools of when there is literally no commercially released product to back up their hyping of it. I can see why Adam sent out those New Years cards.

    And the only major Grammy press he got post-nomination was that Hollywood Reporter article. I like Shirley Halperin, but she is primarily known as a Idol-writer and a fan of Adam’s. It would have been better if that had gone to print in a published issue of Hollywood Reporter and not just online.

    MarkoPolo: There is no use arguing with you.

    I can see that very clearly. I asked for facts. I asked for articles. You provided none. Just your “impression” of how well he penetrated the general public’s consciousness while he was on tour.

    But I agree, it would be nice to see more news on his upcoming album. Perhaps his PR people are busy behind the scenes pressing the flesh, so to speak, to try and get him a performance slot on the Grammys?

    You would hope that a professional PR team could do both. Besides, it is usually the label that negotiates with the Grammy board over such things.

  • smeggingnuts

    Well Markopolo
    If you want to argue semantics you said whole tour and as far as I can tell North America is still part of the world. Unless the US is now part of the Free states of Uranus I think I would count that into the whole tour. Now I can understand if you didn’t use the word you ment which is find I do it myself sometimes. All you had do say is opps ment US leg of his tour.

  • MarkoPolo

    smeggingnuts: *sigh* The domestic leg was too long. Thus, the entire tour was too long, by very function of mathematical addition.

  • FREIDAG

    I can see why Adam sent out those New Years cards.

    Hmmm…good point. Tell us why Kris sent them out now!

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Well, it’s a new year. Hopefully PR lessons have been learned by all. :)

    The most important thing for Adam (and Cook, Kris, etc) is that their follow up albums kick ass. Although not all of Adam’s PR has been perfect, he still seems to be getting some press and with the grammy nom he should be able to keep his name out there for a bit longer. If Adam gets his new album out by summer and drops his new single during this season of AI, he should be able to work off the media goodwill he already has to promote his new album. He just needs to keep the momentum going. This is no time to let the grass grow under his feet (even if he means to smoke it.) :)

  • FREIDAG

    If you want to argue semantics you said whole tour and as far as I can tell North America is still part of the world.

    No, you did right smeggs. North America is part of the world and MarkoPolo wanted facts!

    It’s been fun. :)

  • MarkoPolo

    No, you did right smeggs. North America is part of the world and MarkoPolo wanted facts!

    It’s been fun.

    YOU GOT ME…. really? That’s all you can come up with? This “debate” is so disappointing.

    Hmmm…good point. Tell us why Kris sent them out now!

    Did he send them out to (non-Idol) mainstream media, radio stations and international press?

    He just needs to keep the momentum going. This is no time to let the grass grow under his feet (even if he means to smoke it.)

    I agree. Wish I why I’d hoped to see him at these awards ceremonies and/or after parties. See what I just did there? Full circle, baby. I brought it back to the gifting suite argument. :P

  • Fullmoon

    Adam’s US tour was from June-Sept. 3 1/2 months. I don’t think that’s long at all. If your getting all your Adam news from here than I can understand why you think he’s MIA and lacking of news. I can assure you if you visit his more than dozen of sites just in US alone and his international sites you will probably get a day-day timeline of every article and interview he has done. Seriously as an Adam fan after 2yrs I am exhausted. LOL. I can imagine how Adam feels and he’s probably just taking a much needed break.

  • tierbee

    Oh my GOD you guys are completely making me not even want to come to this blog with these insane arguments. If you can’t handle Adam being questioned or criticized why do you come here? Doesn’t seem right that you all have piled on someone with mocking and condescending posts (and virtual high fives for setting them straight) because they don’t think like you do. I have tried to just be quiet but this has been absolutely unbearable between the plant or not to plant argument and this. And it’s the same people jumping all over anyone who has an issue with Adam every single time. Please be interesting S10. PLEASE.

  • Fullmoon

    Oh my GOD you guys are completely making me not even want to come to this blog with these insane arguments. If you can’t handle Adam being questioned or criticized why do you come here? Doesn’t seem right that you all have piled on someone with mocking and condescending posts (and virtual high fives for setting them straight) because they don’t think like you do. I have tried to just be quiet but this has been absolutely unbearable between the plant or not to plant argument and this. And it’s the same people jumping all over anyone who has an issue with Adam every single time. Please be interesting S10. PLEASE.

    Calm down.

  • MarkoPolo

    Adam’s US tour was from June-Sept. 3 1/2 months. I don’t think that’s long at all.

    If you’re Lady GaGa and you have to be on perpetual tour in major venues in order to cover your INSANELY high overhead expenses, I suppose that isn’t a long time. But Adam’s tour was comparatively low-budget and in modest venues peppered helter-skelter all over the continental US. Logistically, it was poorly planned. Very inefficient.

  • tierbee

    Seriously, Fullmoon? Lol. I’m not the one who has argued about something pointless for three pages. Who fricking cares if someone thinks he looks desperate?

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I agree. Wish I why I’d hoped to see him at these awards ceremonies and/or after parties. See what I just did there? Full circle, baby. I brought it back to the gifting suite argument.

    LOL! Circle of life.

    See I don’t mind the gifting press as long as there is some other stuff in the pipeline. I think there is, because, well, I’m a “glass half full” type of person. But I can see how you might see it.

    Either way, I think we both agree Adam needs to keep his name out there.

  • MarkoPolo

    LOL! Circle of life.

    See I don’t mind the gifting press as long as there is some other stuff in the pipeline. I think there is, because, well, I’m a “glass half full” type of person. But I can see how you might see it.

    Either way, I think we both agree Adam needs to keep his name out there.

    THANK YOU, undercooked, for seeing my point and not being contentious, but articulating your differing opinion in a civilized manner. You don’t know how much it is appreciated.

  • Fullmoon

    If you’re Lady GaGa and you have to be on perpetual tour in major venues in order to cover your INSANELY high overhead expenses, I suppose that isn’t a long time. But Adam’s tour was comparatively low-budget and in modest venues peppered helter-skelter all over the continental US. Logistically, it was poorly planned. Very inefficient.

    Marko, I don’t agree with some of your agruements but I do see you have some valid concerns. I can talk to you all day and get your perspective on things but unfortunely this is not an Adam thread. As you can see too much Adam talk irritates some. There are many Adam fans who like talking about his career with the do’s and dont’s but this is not the place. :)

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    THANK YOU, undercooked,

    Your welcome. :)

  • smeggingnuts

    Oh sweet baby beiber
    Someone stated an opinion people agreed and disagreed that what happens here.

    Now I will be adult enough to amit that due to lack of sleep my post might have come across as a tad condicending instead of me just laughing at the whole back and forth that goes on. Hence all my hahaha’s. So Markopolo if you thought I was being condicending I apologise that wasn’t my intent I was just poking fun of the whole argument.

    Seriously people its not that deep

  • webster

    He was COMPLETELY MIA the entire time he was on that far-too-long tour,

    MarcoPolo, this is the only part of your comments that I have a question about. The rest makes sense to me. If I understand right, you mean MIA in the public eye/press/industry awareness or something like that. And you feel the US tour was a logistic problem. I’m paraphrasing, so you know what premise I’m working from in my following questions. If I’m understanding you wrong, obviously my questions aren’t going to make sense, so:

    I tend to not care about the press too much, so my first thought in reading the above quote was, “how can a musician be thought to be MIA when they are on tour – isn’t making music the definition of being in action?” ie, I could call it MIA if they were doing nothing but PR and not performing or recording, but not the other way around. But then I got thinking: too much touring might be playing the same old music to the same old people (I have definitely seen other artists waste time and money (IMO) that way, so if you mean that, I get it). Better to spend time either writing or performing elsewhere. Or maybe you really meant that the press/music balance was out of whack and he really needed more press. Or maybe this: I follow some artists who get no real press, but I know that when not on tour or writing, they sit in with other people, or do trade shows, or collaborate with instrument and gear companies to develop and promote new things. So maybe the other piece he’s MIA from is industry connections.

    So, shorter, I guess I’m asking: what, in your opinion, makes a tour too long. And what was he MIA from. I agree there was no real press (I think I saw zero outside of links here), but then, I’m not a good judge of how much a problem that is.

  • tierbee

    It’s not that deep – which is why a second round of circular arguments is tiring. And if you go back and read the posts there is most certainly a bit of a pile on. But I haven’t felt well for days so I’m more irritable than usual, so I apologize for snapping. My irritation still is there but I usually just remove myself from the situation and should have done so here as well.

  • tuti

    every one have right to say they opinions.im diverse fan and i love singers around the world
    and my choice are collective.

    i hope to not make rumors about singers until you sure about it,some fan from other idol like daughtry said mean things like adam sleep with producer so he get lots of publicity and other idols did the same.

    there are other idols you can attack than adam, call them plant or looser or blah blah blah.

  • smeggingnuts

    If you’re Lady GaGa and you have to be on perpetual tour in major venues in order to cover your INSANELY high overhead expenses, I suppose that isn’t a long time. But Adam’s tour was comparatively low-budget and in modest venues peppered helter-skelter all over the continental US. Logistically, it was poorly planned. Very inefficient.

    I have to agree who ever planned the dates for the US tour must have taken my High Scool’s geography class. Though I am womdering if some of that was due to the tour dates not being planned all at the same time. It was like blocks of concert dates announced every few weeks. I am worndering if that had something to do with it.

    And granted Adam definatly didn’t have the stage productions like Gaga or Perry but his expnces werre unsual for an Idol alum with dancers and his costumes.

    And as has been repeatedly stated here touring is a musicians bread and butter I would think finacially the longer the tour the better.

  • MarkoPolo

    Webster: loved your entire comment, and I do think that you hit on some very important points:

    But then I got thinking: too much touring might be playing the same old music to the same old people (I have definitely seen other artists waste time and money (IMO) that way, so if you mean that, I get it). Better to spend time either writing or performing elsewhere.

    Since Adam is working with a limited, 1-album catalogue as it is, he was inevitably going to be playing “the same old music”. There was a good number of repeat-attendees, who I guess could qualify as the “same old people”. Performing elsewhere would have been nice; consolidate the spread-out, tiny venues with a mid-sized venue in a more cosmopolitan areas. Hopefully they’ve learned from their error and move to that mode of thinking for his next tour.

    Or maybe you really meant that the press/music balance was out of whack and he really needed more press.

    It’s possible to be on tour and remain in the press; GaGa has managed to do it with VERY intelligent planning. Interviews, appearances and television performances interspersed between dates in large urban centers (with more media presence).

    Or maybe this: I follow some artists who get no real press, but I know that when not on tour or writing, they sit in with other people, or do trade shows, or collaborate with instrument and gear companies to develop and promote new things. So maybe the other piece he’s MIA from is industry connections.

    I think he made a good effort with attending that Perez Hilton party. There were some big music industry names there like Dr. Luke. He needs to steer clear of the likes of the Kardashians, though. He’s too talented.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Actually, I have to agree with MarkoPolo that Adam’s worldwide tour was too long and poorly organized. It was the same with David Cook the year before. Both toured until the end of the year after their Idol season (December 2009 and 2010). Then, they obviously both needed a break after all those concerts. Cook has been working on his new album since December 2009. I hope Adam releases his new album this fall.

    19M and Sony labels just aren’t smart enough. Long tours first year out should be a no-go for Idols, especially if they want to make 2nd albums with Sony. It would be way better if Adam started recording his new album in October 2010. That way he could release new material in spring and tour in summer and fall 2011.

  • tinawina

    As you can see too much Adam talk irritates some. There are many Adam fans who like talking about his career with the do’s and dont’s but this is not the place.

    That’s not what she said. She said she was irritated by Adam-centric pile-ons against those who say something even mildly critical. Nobody said just having a healthy debate about Adam, or Adam talk in general, was irritating to the entire blog. From the way her post was worded I would guess she’d like a healthy debate about something substantial rather than something with a mocking or condescending tone. Anyway, it seems like the tone has calmed down now anyway.

    Just my two cents towards stopping stuff before it starts spinning out of control, you know how that goes.

  • smeggingnuts

    It’s possible to be on tour and remain in the press; GaGa has managed to do it with VERY intelligent planning. Interviews, appearances and television performances interspersed between dates in large urban centers (with more media presence).

    Adam did do this he had press conferances mutilple times during his US leg where reporters from all over asked him round table style questiions. At every stop he did a radio interview/M&G’s with local radio stations. There really was a ton of press but it was kept on Adams concert threads and not posted on headlines. With some exceptions.

    Unfortunatly Adam isn’t at Gaga’s level of fame/popularity where 1 interviiew will be ru. By EVERYBODY. But frequently he would make the celebraty gossip sites and otherr online media (even E! Or VH1 they had a whole month of tour news posted almost daily)whether because of his hair (lol) just being spotted around town or at some popular night life spot or for his music like covering Metallic or Hentrix.

  • tuti

    adam did in the finland american idol and signing in mall, i dont know about if he had other press in other country.

    its 8pm here,i think if we put our comment together we can make a extrodinary novel no.1 around the world.then they make movie about it,in this way adam can see our opinions and laugh,learn and all be happy about it.

  • tierbee

    Mateja, I was going to remark that many of the same concerns about Adam’s tour have also been expressed about Cook’s tour – and I think it’s a valid concern. I do think part of it is they both enjoy performing so they probably weren’t arguing with the ongoing (or as we call Cook’s never-ending) tour :)

    tinawina I am just going to let you speak for me, you always say it better :) A week of the stomach plague here with me and the kids and I am, admittedly, cranky.

  • car

    As long as Adam’s people are doing good things for him and getting him press, others will get upset. But the people who have the job to keep Adam visible are the ones who matter. Being ingnored and forgotten is so much worse than having critics. Adam and his people are concentrating on his career and apparently it is going great. Hopefully, when they pick the next winner it will be someone that people are interested in enough to give them invites, press and cause a conversation. If not, there is always Adam to discuss.

  • smeggingnuts

    Didn’t Cook tour for like a year and a half though? I think that is a tad longer than 6 months (if you count the down time between his US and International leg).

    I still agree with the logistics of his US portion haha but hey you go where there are venues to play.

  • tierbee

    Lol, yes – that’s why we call Cook’s never-ending :) I did selfishly enjoy it, though!

  • tuti

    why people keep saying that the part of AI?when contestent move out they become independent artist right?i do agree RCA/19 are not smart for adam.i wish he could sign by smart label and manager.

    love,peace to all of you.

  • MarkoPolo

    19M and Sony labels just aren’t smart enough. Long tours first year out should be a no-go for Idols, especially if they want to make 2nd albums with Sony.

    19E is DEFINITELY Idol-oriented and I see them making myopic decisions in terms of Adam’s branding (see my earlier posts, LOL). Sony may start growing a brain once the burden of Idol is lifted from their shoulders this year. They do have experience promoting mainstream megastars, so we know they are capable (at least in theory).

    It would be way better if Adam started recording his new album in October 2010. That way he could release new material in spring and tour in summer and fall 2011.

    I definitely would have preferred an earlier start on album two. I don’t want to see it rushed; Adam’s sophomore effort even has the potential be a career-making like FutureSex/Lovesounds. It has to hit with a bang, not a whimper.

  • smeggingnuts

    tierbee:
    01/16/2011 at 12:26 pm
    Lol, yes – that’s why we call Cook’s never-ending I did selfishly enjoy it, though!

    haha and I definatly enjoyed following Adam around the world from Mj’s…haha was kinda exhausting but I miss it too

    Gah is it the Grammy’s yet?

  • tierbee

    These artists are tied to AI forever… That’s just how it goes, even for the most famous of them :)

    car, not everyone who criticizes Adam is jealous – I think that gets assumed a lot here because we all have our favorites.

  • car

    tierbee, read my post. Did I say a thing about jealousy? Can the rest of us have an opinion too?

  • Katniss

    The “concern” here about Adam’s career is hilarious. I’d be more worried about the careers of other people right now.

  • Indigobunting

    Interesting topics, lol. Also interesting is part 3 of Brian’s overview today of Rushfield’s book where Rushfield talks about Idol producer’s actually coming into people’s homes to get them to come to Hollywood. So unless I completely misinterpreted that- I think it lays to rest a lot of questions about “plants”- it sounds like they do solicit people personally. So if that is a “plant” I guess it is a reality.

    I see nothing wrong with taking advantage of a photo op for free gifts- re the GG gift photo thing. Idol’s need all the help they can get; don’t think Adam is “above it”. But I see your point Marko- that is just your impression and I don’t see the big issue about expressing that.

    Re tour length- don’t some performer’s just like to tour and perform? Danny has never stopped doing performances since his Sugarland tour ended in August. They continue to book smaller venues for him, just not on a weekly basis. Although perhaps his situation is different since performances have been him main PR, he hasn’t had much mainstream PR at all. Or maybe he just loves to perform-perhaps other artists like Adam and Cook are of that mindset.

  • gangreen29

    never mind lol

  • smeggingnuts

    It would be way better if Adam started recording his new album in October 2010. That way he could release new material in spring and tour in summer and fall 2011.

    I definitely would have preferred an earlier start on album two. I don’t want to see it rushed; Adam’s sophomore effort has the potential be a career-making even like FutureSex/Lovesounds. It has to hit with a bang, not a whimper.

    What is sad is that at first Adam said he was going to start work in the fall then the international leg happened and it just keeps getting pushed back more and more as time has gone on….hmmmm that sounds vaugely familiar….god don’t let it be like Cook’s (sorry) I don’t think I could wait that long…ok well I can but I don’t wanna

  • tierbee

    car, you said that as long as Adam’s people are doing good things for him people will get upset – I’m sorry I read that as implying that people get jealous. But no, I believe I’ve made it quite clear in my 2 years here that I am the only person allowed to have an opinion. I just can’t get people to obey me, dammit.

    Katniss, I think you’re lashing out at someone who is an Adam fan and who honestly IS concerned.

  • bridgette12

    smeggingnuts:
    01/16/2011 at 12:30 pm
    tierbee:
    01/16/2011 at 12:26 pm
    haha and I definatly enjoyed following Adam around the world from Mj’s…haha was kinda exhausting but I miss it too

    Gah is it the Grammy’s yet?

    It was tiring, especially with the different time zones, but I am looking forward to the next tour. As for the Grammys, I can’t wait for the red carpet and the crazy fashions. I wonder how many of the Idols will attend, I don’t think anyone is going to be touring in February.

  • tierbee

    Lol, smeggingnuts, at least if it happens you have us to commiserate with… We know the pain of waiting :)

  • Maura73

    MarkoPolo:
    01/16/2011 at 10:42 am
    …You’re looking at this through the microscope of the super-fan. You really have no idea how much he’s been seen by the general public lately, have you? The Malaysian news cycle was the ONLY one that had any major penetration outside of his fandom bubble. The average Joe has no idea where he’s been these last 6 months.

    I agree. The lack of press started with the long tour. He did a minimum of promotion for IIHY, then he disappeared. His ep was not promoted by his label. He was not given a fourth single. We haven’t heard a damned thing about his Grammy nomination.

    His promotion has sucked lately. It could be because he’s between singles, and is post-successful tour. We should start hearing about that album. If it’s going to be released in the summer, there should be a leading single or two released from it in the spring…that’s pretty soon now.

    I hope his label gets its act together, fast.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    What is sad is that at first Adam said he was going to start work in the fall then the international leg happened and it just keeps getting pushed back more and more as time has gone on….hmmmm that sounds vaugely familiar….god don’t let it be like Cook’s (sorry) I don’t think I could wait that long…ok well I can but I don’t wanna

    Yeah. It’s not helping that Idols these days are all about writing or co-writing most of the material on their albums. I hope Adam at least uses studio musicians for recording.

  • Maura73

    Mateja:
    01/16/2011 at 12:46 pm

    Yeah. It’s not helping that Idols these days are all about writing or co-writing most of the material on their albums. I hope Adam at least uses studio musicians for recording.

    Adam’s aware of the importance of timing and promotion. I don’t foresee HIM delaying. I can see the label delaying. I hope that does not happen. Even if the album is delayed, the label should release a leading single (or two) from it in the spring of this year.

  • fadetowhite

    I agree. The lack of press started with the long tour. He did a minimum of promotion for IIHY, then he disappeared. His ep was not promoted by his label. He was not given a fourth single. We haven’t heard a damned thing about his Grammy nomination.

    Not an Adam fan, but offering an outside perspective that may be of some comfort?

    As someone who looks on from outside, Sony’s commitment to Adam as a new, up and coming break out star seems golden.

    Now, I don’t follow each and every twist and turn of his career, obviously, but that’s the impression I get.

    His publicists seems to me to keep his name out there – as does the man himself – without being in your face about it.

    As for the break in news and lack of new single – well, maybe that’s just the way it is once people switch from album/single promotion to touring. I don’t know, but that’s certainly what happened with Cook (actually, on a selfish note, it reassures me about the Cook strategy, because I have no worries whatsoever about the label’s commitment to Adam, if that makes sense).

    It’s been said lots of times before, by people with level heads and more knowledge about how the music industry operates than I will ever do, that these things go in peaks and troughs and that in-between-albums is a time to expect less visibility.

    At least Adam fans have all the Grammy hoopla to look forward to!

  • tierbee

    I don’t think Cook’s delay was Cook. He’s just too much of a diplomat for us to find out either way.

    It can be a frustrating process. Hope it goes faster for you guys. Cook’s album has taken way too long :(

  • smeggingnuts

    tierbee:
    01/16/2011 at 12:43 pm
    Lol, smeggingnuts, at least if it happens you have us to commiserate with… We know the pain of waiting

    Do I get a commemorative T-Shirt? Like
    I waited 2 F*cking years for an new album and all I got was this stupid shirt

    I hope Adam at least uses studio musicians for recording.

    Outside of his bassist all other members of his tour band have other projects and even his bassist has been doing shows and recording with his guitarist. The only one I can almost definatly see on the next album would be Monte especially if any of the stuff they co-wrote makes it onto album #2

  • tierbee

    Hahaha, I want a t-shirt. All I have to say is I sure hope I love this album after waiting two years for it :)

  • bridgette12

    I think RCA has done a great job with Adam. I’ve seen him mentioned in the press a lot. There has been quite a few articles about him being nominated for a Grammy. They released his EP around the world. This past week his album was finally released in China of all places. IIHU is being released in France. He’s working on a second album. What more can they do in between albums.

  • car

    I agree fadetowhite and bridgett. Adam’s publicists do seem to keep his name out there. It is so important to have label support and hopefully he can keep that. I wish for the same for others with their upcoming albums.

  • webster

    Adam’s sophomore effort has the potential be a career-making even like FutureSex/Lovesounds. It has to hit with a bang, not a whimper.

    Yes. With all the back and forth over tours and press and image and everything else, the only thing I’ve been truly disappointed in was the quality of the first album. With all the caveats of little time, different tastes, etc, aside, and trying to look at it as objectively as possible, I still feel the material and production was just mediocre, and the thing that’s most interesting to me about Adam is that he has an amazingly interesting voice. Maybe, a once-in-a-generation voice. With the right material, he could make something really special.

    And my biggest fear is that, great voice aside, this versatile singer, whose early career depended on singing every style thrown at him, does not yet have a personal style gelled enough to adequately sift through and develop material for a truly great album yet. If I were managing him, I’d have him, at this point, make an all out, crazy rock album. Because he can lay waste with that kind of singing, and it would be noticed. I know the arguments against it, but I can’t respect them.

    Instead of all the singing-contest clones, somebody should be working harder to find good songwriters. By comparison, good singers seem to be a dime a dozen. Too bad there’s not a way to just steal good song material, like screenwriters can do with books.

  • Maura73

    @bridgette @car ITA about the album releases etc. He is being promoted as an international artist. His label must have pushed him for the Grammy. He was due for some time off after the tour, so that could explain the more recent silence.

    I’m torn about the whole thing. However, a long delay with little promotion is not good for any artist. It’s not good for Cook; it won’t be good for Adam if that’s how the label plays it.

    @Webster he does have a style. Listen to his pre-idol recordings. Some of the strongest songs on the album, which got great reviews btw, were co-written by him. Broken Open, Voodoo, Down the Rabbit Hole are pretty typical of what he writes: Alternative, strange, neo-Hippy.

  • bridget

    I know I would love to see Adam on TV every week, just like I did while he was on Idol and then all over the place like he was just after it ended.

    I know that’s not realistic, though, of course – but I have a hard time figuring out what is a realistic expectation in that regard.

    Not knowing anything “inside” about the industry at all, and having never paid more than the most passing of attention to Idol prior to Adam, I tend to assume his PR people – and 19M, Sony, RCA – know what they’re doing. (Otherwise, how do they keep their jobs/stay in business, etc., you know what I mean? And, Adam has said he couldn’t get signed by any labels, which is why he went on AI in the first place, so . . . I don’t know, I feel some gratitude (?), I guess, toward them, because now Adam has a label and PR, etc. and he doesn’t ever seem to even hint at being anything other than happy with and appreciative of them – or does he and I missed it?).

    Other people do feel qualified based on their backgrounds to do some “armchair-quarterback” type career management (and I say ‘thank goodness’ to that or otherwise what would I have to do today?), and it’s interesting to me to read what they think should be happening more or less or differently and why.

    (I agree with the opinion that ultimately Adam will have a bigger career abroad than in US – so I think it’s important that he got the international press and song releases that he did outside the US.)

  • Fullmoon

    Maybe, a once-in-a-generation voice. With the right material, he could make something really special.

    And my biggest fear is that, great voice aside, this versatile singer, whose early career depended on singing every style thrown at him, does not yet have a personal style gelled enough to adequately sift through and develop material for a truly great album yet. If I were managing him, I’d have him, at this point, make an all out, crazy rock album. Because he can lay waste with that kind of singing, and it would be noticed.

    I wish he can make that Rock album. His rock wail voice is why all the legend rockers go gaga over him. Unfortunately he would have to sacrifice radio play. His voice is meant for rock and he has the spirit of the true Rock & Rollers of back in the day. I believe eventually Monte will push him in that direction.

  • Maura73

    @fullmoon depends on what you mean by rock. If you mean soft rock like Aftermath and TfM, I hope that he does NOT go in that direction. That kind of music is a huge turn-off for me, and it does not get radio play. If you mean rock ala Purple Haze–that would be lovely, but, again, it doesn’t get radio play. Adam can’t afford to sacrifice radio play at this point in his career.

  • Fullmoon

    If you mean rock ala Purple Haze–that would be lovely, but, again, it doesn’t get radio play. Adam can’t afford to sacrifice radio play at this point in his career.

    Yes I meant Purple Haze rock and I know radio won’t play it that’s why I don’t see it happening in the near future. He can however do a one off collab with someone in rock just for the hell of it.

  • Zastine4974

    I’m really amused by the “Adam not getting enough press” stuff. What are you going to do when he actually gets into the writing/studio/recording/tracking/mixing phase of his career. It’s common for ALL artists to get silent during this time of creativity.

    As to Lambert’s PR not doing their job…..Hahahahahahahaha. What more do you want?

    Let the angst begin.

  • Bowie1

    As much as I would love an all out ROCK album for Adam2….don’t think it will happen because Adam is smart to what is played on radio….and it isn’t rock music. I think it will be more fusion of rock, pop, and electronic. I’d love it to be more rock with a little funk thrown in for a song or two. I like the idea someone mentioned on this thread (can’t remember who)of Adam maybe doing a rock album as a side project with a ‘rocker’. I’m thinking a ‘Slash’ collaboration would be great! Of course, I’m still waiting and hoping in the future for some kind of Queen ‘Freddie’ Tribute with Adam where they’d do some of the songs Freddie wrote when he was too sick to perform anymore that have never been recorded. A girl can dream!!

  • zzatrms

    Of course, I’m still waiting and hoping in the future for some kind of Queen ‘Freddie’ Tribute with Adam where they’d do some of the songs Freddie wrote when he was too sick to perform anymore that have never been recorded. A girl can dream!!

    This is my dream also …. I keep hoping.