Crystal Bowersox 'Farmer's Daughter' sells 58K

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Crystal Bowersox had a solid bow on the charts this week. Her producer, David Bendeth, tweeted her stats early this morning. Here are some of her first week numbers:

  • Units Sold via Nielsen Soundscan: 57,804
  • Billboard 200 – #28
  • Billboard Digital Albums – #8
  • Billboard Rock Albums – #2 (Kid Rock is #1)
  • Billboard Canadian Albums – #90
  • Most of the records sold in the East North Central

Kirsten will post the numbers for the rest of the Idols later this morning when they become available.

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  • Valentin432

    Those numbers definetly meet the high end of my expectations, so all things considered, I think it’s positive news for Crystal.
    We’ll see how well this holds up after the new year, she’ll need to get some radio airplay at that point but we’ll have to wait two or three weeks to see any movement there.

  • karenc

    Those numbers are pretty good, but I’m very surprised about it charting as rock.

  • MawMaw

    I am one Crystal fan who is happy for Crystal. She wanted a better life for her son than she had and that’s what she’s doing. This is a good start.

  • istersay

    David’s last tweet said #28, but yay for Crystal, higher than the predictions :)

  • TwigLA

    I find those numbers pretty impressive given many factors. Kudos to Crystal and I wish her continued success.

    Personally, I’ve been thinking that ‘radio play’ is factoring into these equations less and less. We have become a more visual and internet driven society. I’ve been noticing the acts that are consistently on the top of the charts are those who we see ‘face to face’ on TV or whose songs are being used in TV ads and shows.

    With iPods and other mp3 players, people listen to the radio less. So many radio stations are going under because of this. It’s presence is more in work environments such as offices or retail shopping outlets.

  • Kirsten

    The very positive news here is that Crystal keeps beating professional expectations (who really cares what the expectations of Idol commentators? They have no internal tracking stats to utilize, so most of them make WAGs while a few people are a lot better than the masses). This is far better than HDD and others were predicting last week and better than HDD had on their Monday predictions (which typically over-rate Idols). To me, this is one indication that people respond well to her promo appearances which means that she can generate new fans. If the label can get her airplay (good thing she isn’t with Clive’s crew because they’d kill her career for what she pulled. Jive seems to just want to try to make money. They aren’t always successful, but they seem a lot less bittercakes than Clive), this album could go far.

    In any event, beating predictions like this is a very good sign.

  • luly

    Congrats to Crystal for beating the predictions :).

  • isisdagmar

    I don’t know much about this, lol, but those seem like good opening week sales for Crystal, so yay for her. :)

    I know the album got just average reviews (I haven’t followed the reviews but I checked out the metacritic score), and what I listened to from it wasn’t amazing, but I quite liked several of them, and Farmer’s Daughter is a really fantastic, powerful song (I played it for my mom and she actually cried, which I wasn’t expecting). I’m going to have to listen to the whole thing and see if I want to buy any of them. And Crystal’s voice is genuinely great, so I can see that people who don’t know about her and hear her live would be made into fans and would check out her album and buy it.

  • ron54911

    All that w/o any radio play, very good Crystal! Keep knocking down those walls.

  • MrDuffin

    This great news! Crystal sound reminds me of Kid Rock. I would love to hear her sing with his band…

  • abbysee

    Nice Crystal, really nice.

  • Eriko

    Congrats to Crystal for:
    Beating most predictions here by 100%
    Beating HDD predictions by 16-28%
    Beating Lee´s first week sales by 50%
    First Idol debut were majority of the songs are sole originals
    For choosing to stay true to herself at the risk of selling less
    Kudos to Jive for stepping out of their comfort zone and showing her some faith

  • BootStar

    I think, given her chosen genre, these are terrific numbers. Congratulations to Crystal!

  • hcpoirot

    Though the selling album of Lee and now Crystal was solid after all AI 9 negative press, but in my honest opinion the albums selling is not good at all.

    Their numbers are even lower than Danny Gokey who place third last year in AI 8.

    Its official, no matter how you see it or try to reason with it (like the music sales are low etc etc) but AI season 9 will be remembered as the worst show of entire AI history and also the worst sales ever from AI alumni so far. (Hoping AI 10 will not following AI 9 history)

    Over 20 million people still watching AI 9 and TOTAL both of Crystal and Lee selling solo album for first week are under 100 K.

    Not even majority fans who voted for them in the show bother to buy their solo album. It seem both are quickly forgotten by their fans after AI ended.

  • emmuzka

    Though the selling album of Lee and now Crystal was solid after all AI 9 negative press, but in my opinion it still sell not good.

    I agree. It’s great that she sold more than what was expected, but the expectations were extremely low in the first place. Both Lee and Crystal got a built-in fanbase of millions, and this is the result. One can’t blame all for the show getting old.

  • tinawina

    Wow, I wasn’t expecting that. Good for Crystal! I agree with Kirsten, her album might really have some legs!

  • Allison

    I think she did quite well – her genre is niche, and she didn’t win, so I’m happy. If the video gets played after Xmas, she will gather new fans.

  • koshka

    Good for Crystal!

  • Eriko

    Both Lee and Crystal got a built-in fanbase of millions, and this is the result. One can’t blame all for the show getting old.

    Do you actually think everyone who voted, were fans in the traditional sense? Most votes came from a minority of power voters, some voting over a 1000 times. By your scenario, the same could be said for most every Idol ever. Only a fraction of votes, for all Idols, every year, turned into sales

  • jpfan

    It’s always good to do better than HDD predictions (especially for someone off Idol). I think Crystal is also going to have a good second week. And I think as her promo kicks in the album could have legs.

    However, who can argue that overall S9 has been a disaster in terms of Idol bragging rights as a selling machine. i think the combined first weeks sales of the finalists on Idol were S7=450k, S8=270K S9= 95K. That’s just not a good development for the show. (And I won’t even get into S2 when first week tally was 1M albums. Those days are gone forever)

  • MrDuffin

    Billboard Rock Albums – #2 (Kid Rock is #1)

    Being #2 to Kid Rock is not too shabby IMO. Of course it would have been great if she had been #1 but Kid has a 10 year head start!

  • ComeBack2Me

    Almost 60k, huh? Not too shabby. I was expecting much lower so congrats to Crystal.

    It’s always good to do better than HDD predictions (especially for someone off Idol). I think Crystal is also going to have a good second week. And I think as her promo kicks in the album could have legs.

    However, who can argue that overall S9 has been a disaster in terms of Idol bragging rights as a selling machine. i think the combined first weeks sales of the finalists on Idol were S7=450k, S8=270K S9= 95K. That’s just not a good development for the show. (And I won’t even get into S2 when first week tally was 1M albums. Those days are gone forever)

    This is true. The combined sales album sales from A9 were not good at all.

  • tinawina

    Only a fraction of votes, for all Idols, every year, turned into sales

    Yeah, but on other years, the conversion rate is a lot higher. :D I think the criticisms of Lee and Crystal’s sales compared to the past are quite valid.

    That said… there’s 2 sales “games” going on IMO. The Idol fan/holiday sales game and the after Christmas, long term game. They both lost the first in the historical sense, but they both have a shot at doing well on the second. Despite everything, Crystal is heading to a genre where high sales aren’t really the norm, and this figure represents a very good head start. So for Crystal, in her particular situation, this is pretty good IMO.

    Lee’s situation is a lot trickier. He’s a commercial rock type at a time when it is pretty hard to make loads of money that way. And he didn’t make great inroads with his holiday album sales. BUT his single is rising and I think it really will take off in January. Plus the song is a pretty good representation of the rest of the album so I think he has a shot of building sales over time. If he can get people to like this song, then puts out another one, he could see some album sales rise I think. At least enough to get another album, one hopes.

    I just hope they both get the chance to go grind it out for the coming year, making connections and gaining fans.

  • sallysimmons

    Not sure on what planet these numbers constitute a good debut. Is it just because she sold more than Lee?

    Well, woot, I guess for anyone thinking that’s the important thing, but these numbers can’t mean anything but disaster for Crystal, just as Lee’s mean disaster for him. Both will need to find indie labels, because a major label won’t invest money in artists who, even after exposure to millions of people for weeks and weeks and weeks, have paltry debut sales.

  • Eriko

    Yeah, but on other years, the conversion rate is a lot higher.

    A lot higher. All numbers being below 1%, hardly a lot higher :)

  • Valentin432

    Not sure on what planet these numbers constitute a good debut. Is it just because she sold more than Lee?

    There were a lot of factors that should be taken into account
    Bad ratings and bad tour attendances = lower expectations
    No media interest = lower expectations
    No radio airplay = lower expectations
    Genre that is not very current = lower expectations
    Bad debut numbers for the guy who won = lower expecations
    Great week for album sales = higher expectations

    If you all add this up, I do think these numbers are positive and go against the trend a little bit.

    I mean, it’s roughtly 20 tousand less than what Kris did last year who had a lot of those factors mentioned previously going in his favor. Kris still has a record label contract, so these numbers hardly seem deadly for Crystal.

  • jpfan

    I think the numbers are fine for Crystal but I think Lee could be in major trouble. Only a small % of viewers ever buys the music from Idol but this is a new low. It’s even worse if you compare S9 sales to the sales of Jackie from AGT. Much smaller TV audience and way bigger sales. Of course, she’s only got two weeks tops for that Xmas album. Then she and SuBo are both off the charts. ;)

  • Eriko

    but these numbers can’t mean anything but disaster for Crystal

    From someone who said, that Crystals numbers would make Lee´s numbers look like Susan Boyle´s, makes your opinion kinda worthless to me ;)

  • windmills

    I’ll take the numbers for Crystal because they’re better than the really bad numbers I’d been expecting. Now let’s see what kind of legs the album gets and whether Crystal is able to make inroads into the folk/alternative scene. I still think it’ll be tough for her but at least she has the right lead single.

  • Eriko

    Just looked at some chart number for earlier dates. Wow, release dates can sure make a difference. Even with the holiday boost in music sales (tho I think they factor less for Idol 1st week sales) other factorts like who are also releasing new albums, seem to make much more of a difference.
    Here are 5 different dates for BB200 and the respective chart # for Crystal‘s sales

    CHART DATE: 11/22/2010
    #11
    CHART DATE: 11/15/2010
    #9
    CHART DATE: 10/25/2010
    #6
    CHART DATE: 10/18/2010
    #4
    CHART DATE: 10/11/2010
    #3

    Of course, this also means Lee would´ve charted higher at earlier dates

  • Tess

    I’m in love with the new number game that is essentially: if you did better than someone who did horribly you are now doing wonderful. I am sure every number cruncher in the world is going to climb on this new bandwagon.

    These are still the #s that are significant to me because they place given numbers in context with what is being purchased across the board at any given time and relate to a specific time and place and circumstances: (Billboard Top200 for the week of release)

    Winners
    Kelly Clarkson AI1 #1
    Ruben Studdard AI2 #1
    Fantasia AI3 #8
    Carrie Underwood AI4 #2
    Taylor Hicks AI5 #2
    Jordin Sparks AI6 #10
    David Cook AI7 #3
    Kris Allen AI8 #11
    Lee DeWyze AI9 #19

    Runners Up
    Justin Guarini AI1 #20
    Clay Aiken AI2 #1
    Diana DeGarmo AI3 #52
    Bo Bice AI4 #4
    Katharine McPhee AI5 #2
    Blake Lewis AI6 #10
    David Archuleta AI7 #2
    Adam Lambert AI8 #3
    Crystal Bowersox AI9 #28

    I can’t foresee what the future will be but these numbers indicate the initial interest in an idol alum directly corresponding to the season where they had the opportunity to peddle their wares in front of 20 million peeps every week. If you can’t get people who have gotten to know you over 15 or so weeks to be interested in what you do and what you bring to the table…how will an Artist be able to bring “new” people on board in significant numbers? Food for thought for me.

  • jpfan

    I only see FD at #44 on iTunes. I think it was still in the top 20 as of yesterday. That’s a pretty big drop. I was hoping it would stay on the top of Itunes for awhile longer as the sales there have been excellent.

  • Elliegrll

    Personally, I’ve been thinking that ‘radio play’ is factoring into these equations less and less.

    Radio play wasn’t going to factor into the first week numbers, it usually never does for AI alums. Only Jordin and Archie have had debut singes that have saturated radio before their albums were released.

    But, in order for the album to have legs, and continue selling in the new year, Crystal has to get her music and name out to the public. The easiest way to to do this is with radio, but other niche artists have proven that there are other ways to get attention.

  • tinawina

    I’m in love with the new number game that is essentially: if you did better than someone who did horribly you are now doing wonderful.

    Other than a couple of her fans, people have said over and over again that her numbers are not wonderful but they are good under her bad circumstances. I don’t get why that pisses people off so much frankly. I’m not trying to be combatitive or anything, but I am really puzzled. And Tess, I don’t just mean you here. But honestly, there seems to be an element of “my idol got slammed so yours should too” going on or something. Why?

  • http://www.dancin.ca dancin

    i think they are respectable numbers all things considered (yeahhhhhhhh crystal)
    her video is already at 134,000 views and its not on the rotation at anystation yet
    so i’m thinkin legs are on the way for this album :) alll the best to the walkersox family :)

  • Elliegrll

    I can’t foresee what the future will be but these numbers indicate the initial interest in an idol alum directly corresponding to the season where they had the opportunity to peddle their wares in front of 20 million peeps every week. If you can’t get people who have gotten to know you over 15 or so weeks to be interested in what you do and what you bring to the table…how will an Artist be able to bring “new” people on board in significant numbers? Food for thought for me.

    I’d say that Jordin’s first album proved that it’s not just about the AI fans. I remember when she was the lowest selling alum, but her album had legs and continued to be sold, because she released so many hit singles. In the end, that’s what it comes down to. She was obviously hurt by the rest of the album not having songs that resembled No Air and Tattoo, so many of the people who bought the debut album were not going to get burned again by buying the second one.

  • Eriko

    Tess, not everything has to be in relations to other Idols. It just surprised me how chart # can fluctuate in a short time. If you think it´s irrelevant if or how many other artists are releasing albums, no sweat. Of course, the only thing that has any relevancy, is something like a 12 month period.

  • Elliegrll

    Both Lee and Crystal got a built-in fanbase of millions

    No they didn’t. Nobody has ever carried over that many people. Not Kelly, Carrie, Adam, or anyone else. But, I’ll admit that neither Crystal or Lee took full advantage of the opportunity that they were given.

  • Chicagolaw

    Congrats Crystal! All things considered, she did pretty well. Now, Jive just has to find a way to keep her out there—and radio may not be much help. I love her album, FD is a powerful song with an equally powerful video; so, I hope she can keep plugging along.

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  • Tess

    CHART DATE: 11/22/2010
    #11
    CHART DATE: 11/15/2010
    #9
    CHART DATE: 10/25/2010
    #6
    CHART DATE: 10/18/2010
    #4
    CHART DATE: 10/11/2010
    #3

    If you were to use Crystal’s number acquired the week before Christmas where the buying public is perceived to be 30% more…then you would have to readjust all of the previous charts and give each album a 30% increase in sales. At that point Crystal’s rating would probably be pretty comparable to her #28 the week she released. Numbers and equations are not static…when using a mathematical formula you need to adjust ALL numbers to include any variables that may exist.

    ETA: just saw that Brian indicated that sales went up this last week about 30%….so my choice of variable would work.

  • isisdagmar

    I went back and listened to the whole album for the first time.

    I can see why it got mediocre reviews overall–a lot of the songs are kind of weak–but I can also see why a lot of the reviews said that Crystal is incredibly talented and just needs to develop her talent some more. She really is talented, and idk, I love her version of For What It’s Worth. And while I don’t love the embellishments to Farmer’s Daughter, that song alone indicates how good a songwriter she could be.

    and it does seem like a really good sign for her that her live performances probably reminded or convinced people to buy her album. :) And the screencaps I saw of the performance were really pretty, she’s very pretty.

  • Eriko

    If you were to use Crystal’s number acquired the week before Christmas where the buying public is perceived to be 30% more…then you would have to readjust all of the previous charts and give each album a 30% increase in sales. At that point Crystal’s rating would probably be pretty comparable to her #28 the week she released. Numbers and equations are not static…when using a mathematical formula you need to adjust ALL numbers to include any variables that may exist.

    Fair enough, Crystal´s sales of 58k after increasing other numbers by 30%, these are the results. Not much of a change from my other post. Crystal would have charted respectively on the following dates.

    CHART DATE: 11/22/2010
    #16
    CHART DATE: 11/15/2010
    #9
    CHART DATE: 11/08/2010
    #5
    CHART DATE: 11/01/2010
    #4
    CHART DATE: 10/25/2010
    #8
    CHART DATE: 10/18/2010
    #6
    CHART DATE: 10/11/2010
    #5

  • Miss Blue

    Well, woot, I guess for anyone thinking that’s the important thing, but these numbers can’t mean anything but disaster for Crystal, just as Lee’s mean disaster for him. Both will need to find indie labels, because a major label won’t invest money in artists who, even after exposure to millions of people for weeks and weeks and weeks, have paltry debut sales.

    I don’t get this “exposure” argument at all. Exposure to what? Singing 40 year old songs? AI doesn’t tell you anything about what an album will be like. And I see no factoring in the disastrous economy by any of you arguing about how rotten these sales are. I think since money is so tight for so many people, they are being careful about how they spend their money. And the track record for AI debut albums sure doesn’t make me want to take a chance on one of them. Most have been crap and do not represent what the artist is all about.

    Aside from the fact I think Lee is a talentless non-singer, his album didn’t sell well because it is garbage. These days, when you can listen to at least snippets online before you buy, I’m thinking many of his fans said ick and decided to skip it. Whereas Crystal’s album has been far more pleasantly received by her fans. Just check the threads on this site alone – Lee’s album did not get raves by his core audience, but most of Crystal’s fans were thrilled with this.

    I did purchase the CD along with Kid Rock’s. Which, by the way did not debut with the same numbers his other albums did even though it’s quite good. It’s all about the economy.

  • lollypop12

    To be honest, I don’t see her selling well in the long run. With the market nowadays, everything is about packaging and looks (to say the least). And Crystal doesn’t seem to have the “look” for it. Plus, her music is alternatively different from the rest of the previous Idols.

    But it’s sad that newcomers (with marketable looks) are selling more than those who have actual talent.

  • Trina

    Not sure on what planet these numbers constitute a good debut. Is it just because she sold more than Lee?

    Hey let’s be fair, she also sold more than uh, Diana and Justin? heh. Kat McPhee’s 115K+ in January, the worst music buying month of the year is starting to look incredible.

  • Buffynut

    If you can’t get people who have gotten to know you over 15 or so weeks to be interested in what you do and what you bring to the table…how will an Artist be able to bring “new” people on board in significant numbers? Food for thought for me.

    Because to many (maybe most) Idol viewers, Idol is a TV show. I have so many friends that are addicted to the show and never, I mean never, have bought an album!
    To me, her numbers indicate that she attracted interest due to her TV and live appearances. I would say she’s alreday reached beyond the Idol audience a bit. That’s a good thing. The next month should help give us an indication of where her sales will go.

  • AllenTX

    I think her sales is great, considering the overall low expectation. But I think the main thing she should worry about is that the album is not really getting raved about by most major critics, I mean, in a way some indie artists break out by getting critics’ attention and huge cult hippiesters following. Isn’t that her fans mostly hope for despite low sales expectation? Her Metacritc score is 59 so far, which is not even average.

  • Indigobunting

    Though the selling album of Lee and now Crystal was solid after all AI 9 negative press, but in my honest opinion the albums selling is not good at all.

    Their numbers are even lower than Danny Gokey who place third last year in AI 8.

    To be fair; Danny had his AI bump during his sales week- he had been predicted to sell the same as Crystal prior to the appearance. So she may have beaten his numbers without AI appearance. Although he did debut in March (much lower sales time and no “gifting” bump) with no other PR and she debuted in a huge shopping week; not sure how to factor that in either. The picture will be clearer 1 month from now if her album continues to sell, after Christmas is over. The 30% increase for all Idols is significant.

    But for now, congratulations to Crystal and her fans for beating expectations! :) Her album is probably my third favorite debut AI album after Danny and Daughtry.

  • Tess

    I would say she’s alreday reached beyond the Idol audience a bit. That’s a good thing.

    I don’t understand this. Crystal’s sales are so low because she has moved beyond the idol audience. I would think that having an idol audience for the first bit after releasing an album would be a good thing since that audience propelled certain idols from 8 previous seasons to some very good debut sales and at least gave them an opportunity to have their music heard.

    And yes, an Idol audience (unless you are the chosen one like Carrie) can’t “carry” you beyond the initial interest….but it is a nice barometer of how much interest someone developed over the show. Somehow an upfront investment by the recording label needs to be repaid and I would think it would be nice to have that albatross unwrapped from someone’s neck early on. If early sales are high it just gives the Artist a little more wiggle room to develop their “Brand” and to persue the type of Artist they want to be.

  • gangreen29

    I can’t foresee what the future will be but these numbers indicate the initial interest in an idol alum directly corresponding to the season where they had the opportunity to peddle their wares in front of 20 million peeps every week. If you can’t get people who have gotten to know you over 15 or so weeks to be interested in what you do and what you bring to the table…how will an Artist be able to bring “new” people on board in significant numbers?

    Crystal above everyone else on idol who has been in the top 2 is going to have to find her main fan base off the show. Everyone knew that a single mother with tattoos and piercings and dreads who sings folk rock was not going to be a huge seller off idol. I hate this faux-shock. Her main target audience was never going to be idol fans. She now has 60,000 fans from idol, which is a ton for the type of artist she is. Now she has to go out and do festivals and tour and make those fans.

  • wordnerdarchie

    So she may have beaten his numbers without AI appearance. Although he did debut in March (much lower sales time and no “gifting” bump) with no other PR and she debuted in a huge shopping week

    And you also have to figure in her national appearances on some high profile, nationally televised shows. (Ellen, Extra, Leno) I don’t think Danny had any of those, right? ;)

  • tinawina

    But I think the main thing she should worry about is that the album is not really getting raved about by most major critics, I mean, in a way some indie artists break out by getting critics’ attention and huge cult hippiesters following.

    I think that is indeed a possible problem going forward. I personally have speculated that reviews matter in her genre, but that was speculation. I don’t really know for sure. But looking at the AAA charts I don’t see anyone who wasn’t a critical success at some point. And all the newer people did seem to be perceived as big talents when they broke in. So I don’t know. Maybe it will depend on the perceived quality of the singles?

    Somehow an upfront investment by the recording label needs to be repaid and I would think it would be nice to have that albatross unwrapped from someone’s neck early on. If early sales are high it just gives the Artist a little more wiggle room to develop their “Brand” and to persue the type of Artist they want to be.

    I absolutely agree with this. Idol fan sales, when high, are very useful.

  • Eriko

    But I think the main thing she should worry about is that the album is not really getting raved about by most major critics, I mean, in a way some indie artists break out by getting critics’ attention and huge cult hippiesters following. Isn’t that her fans mostly hope for despite low sales expectation? Her Metacritc score is 59 so far, which is not even average.

    I agree, it would probably help getting favorable reviews from major critics. Her Metacritic score consists of only 4 reviews, 2 of them, were among the worst of 10 or so, non-blog reviews, so could change for the better. Her score is about the same as Daughtry and David Cooks. Also, it´s my guess, that critics are generally harsher on anyone coming off of AI, could be wrong. Hopefully more major critics will review her album

  • Montavilla

    After all the gloomy predictions, I’m very pleased that Crystal did so well in her first week. I thought she would do a bit better than Lee’s numbers (not that the “race” is over by any means), simply because she has a more distinctive sound. AI fans liked that sound enough to keep Crystal to the finale.

    The thing that appealed to me about Crystal was that she always sang full out. There were only one or two performances where she held back or seemed nervous. She carries that “all in” attitude toward her CD and the way she presents herself as an artist. It’s isn’t conventionally smart to push FD as her first single, but it’s her. Given the choice to push a commercially safer song, or one that means something to her emotionally, she fought for the emotional one.

    As a process, AI urges its viewers to connect to the idols on a personal level. Crystal’s album is close enough to what she did on the show so as not to look like she compromised in any way. The reported tussles over the recording sessions, release date, and choice of first single are in keeping with Crystal’s stubbornness with Simon’s critiques. So, if people liked her on the show, there’s nothing to prevent them from continuing to like her now. This cannot be said of all idol winners or runners-up. (I’m not pointing fingers at anyone in particular — a LOT of idol debut albums seemed compromised.)

    Tinawina said:

    I just hope they both get the chance to go grind it out for the coming year, making connections and gaining fans.

    ITA. Just because I thought Crystal would outsell Lee doesn’t mean I want either one of them to do badly. They’re both good musicians and I hope they both get the careers they hope for.

  • isisdagmar

    But I think the main thing she should worry about is that the album is not really getting raved about by most major critics, I mean, in a way some indie artists break out by getting critics’ attention and huge cult hippiesters following. Isn’t that her fans mostly hope for despite low sales expectation? Her Metacritc score is 59 so far, which is not even average.

    Yeah, that’s true, she hasn’t gotten particularly good reviews for the album. But her live performances seem to be well-received and that’s important. I wouldn’t bring up someone else off the show except that the comparisons are already being made so I assume it’s okay, but I think one of the reasons that Adam sold steadily after the initial debut was that he was able to attract non-idol fans through well-received live performances and radio play. the debut week was good because the album was true to ~him or whatever and fans liked it, but it also got new fans. Crystal could do that too.

    I like her a lot, so I hope she does. :)

  • Buffynut

    12/22/2010 at 11:04 am
    I would say she’s alreday reached beyond the Idol audience a bit. That’s a good thing.

    Tess:
    I don’t understand this. Crystal’s sales are so low because she has moved beyond the idol audience. I would think that having an idol audience for the first bit after releasing an album would be a good thing since that audience

    Tess, I said that based on a combination of a dismal season and Lee’s sales. She outsold “experts” projections by about 15-18,000. I think it was because of her recent personal appearances. Just my opinion.

  • girlygirl

    Congrats to Crystal for a very solid debut. She outsold that last HDD prediction by 4K.

    I’m a little surprised BB lists FD as a rock album — because it’s really not. But I guess there’s no other category it would fit into?

  • springboard

    She outsold “experts” projections by about 15-18,000. I think it was because of her recent personal appearances. Just my opinion.

    It may just be that her fanbase was not aware that he had an album out until she performed on TV because of the current lack of buzz for idol or she does doesn’t have a super invested fanbase, . It may indicate that they liked what they saw, but this is what fan do.
    Or those performances generated a very strong response, but it is not certain. Time will tell.

  • Trina

    There is no way of knowing if someone reached beyond the AI fanbase based on ONE week. No one knows if beating estimates came from Idol fans who saw her on TV and was reminded she has a CD out. When Crystal isn’t all over TV and her CD is back to a normal price and she can keep selling that’s a whole other ballgame. That “dismal” season still had 20+ million viewers.

  • sma11ie

    Kat McPhee’s 115K+ in January, the worst music buying month of the year is starting to look incredible.

    Not to mention she debuted at #2! I always thought high debuts are an indication that the runner-up was VERY popular with AI audiences(how the albums fare after the debut depends on a lot of other factors), and I never really lumped Kat among the “really popular” runner-ups (Clay, Archie, Adam, Bo), but now I will. She gets lost in the Taylor/Daughtry frenzy sometimes, but I think she had a lot AI fans– she was just in a popular season where there were other contestants who were even more popular.

    Pleasantly surprised by Crystal’s debut number. The chart rank at 28 is not great, but I agree it’s wonderful that she exceeded projections which had her at 31 or lower. It’s like the stock market, all about exceeding expectations ;). But no, seriously, I do agree it’s because she had great TV promo, and then impressed people by kicking @ss on said TV promos.

  • Eriko

    When Crystal isn’t all over TV and her CD is back to a normal price and she can keep selling that’s a whole other ballgame.

    I agree, but for your info, the CD price at Amazon was back to normal a few days ago. At other retailers, I´m not aware of any low prices. Big portion of her sales came through itunes which to my knowledge didn´t have a special price

  • bootslacrosse

    It’s great for Crystal that she sold close to 58K copies of her album. Given the the circumstances, I think she did quite well.

    Unfortunately the 20 million casual Idol watchers didn’t bother to buy her CD, much like in the past, huge numbers of Idol viewers do not equal big sales numbers.

    If you look at past Idol winners/runner ups for the past couple seasons, the viewer ratio to units sold would indicate that most Idol viewers are casual viewers, not CD buyers.

    So I don’t buy the argument that Crystal should have done better since millions watched her on TV.

  • girlygirl

    Hopefully both Crystal and Lee’s numbers will hold up decently next week, because album sales generally drop like a rock after Christmas.

  • mzbet

    Because to many (maybe most) Idol viewers, Idol is a TV show. I have so many friends that are addicted to the show and never, I mean never, have bought an album!

    I fit the profile of being a fan of Idol the TV show but not a buying customer after the show is over. Until S8, I had never purchased an Idol album. Now I own 3, Kris Allen’s, Allison Iraheta’s and now Crystal Bowersox. I did buy David Archie’s Christmas album for a friend last year as a gift because she loves all Christmas music. There are obviously millions like me who watch but don’t buy.

    BTW, I love Crystal’s album or I would not have bought it. I did listen to the whole thing streaming (not just snippets) before I bought it. I like being able to hear everything before plunking down money for something I might not like. I’m hopeful for Crystal’s career.

  • MonochromaticFriend

    You know, thete’s only 5K difference between 53k and 58k, but I’m a lot more impressed by this final number for some reason….

    I think it might be a good idea for 19 to make sure she guests on the Idol next year. She has decently-sized (for season 9) AI fanbase out there, and an AI performance could give this album a really nice bump.

  • Q3

    Interesting to have an artist who got such broad exposure on Idol have a notable regional concentration of album buyers.

    I think that is indeed a possible problem going forward. I personally have speculated that reviews matter in her genre, but that was speculation. I don’t really know for sure. But looking at the AAA charts I don’t see anyone who wasn’t a critical success at some point. And all the newer people did seem to be perceived as big talents when they broke in. So I don’t know. Maybe it will depend on the perceived quality of the singles?

    ITA — the lack of great reviews for her first album will be a challenge for getting acceptance from AAA radio and my impression of many/most indie rock/folk rock music buyers is that reviews do matter because they have so many options and there are so many talented musicians — both trying to break through and established artists.

    Triple A (AKA AAA) is a radio format and not a genre. Someone put together a really good Wiki page on this format…

    The radio format has a broader, more diverse playlist than most other formats and tends to appeal more to adults than to teenagers. Less-played tracks are also common. Musical selection tends to be on the fringe of mainstream pop and rock as well as many other music genres such as indie rock, alternative rock, alternative country, jazz, folk, world music and blues. The musical selections tend to shy away from hard rock and rap music.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_album_alternative

    I would classify Crystal’s album as indie rock/folk rock. (When she performs the music live it veers toward alt. country — but she really isn’t alt. country IMO.) No matter what genre label you want to put on her music, it fits AAA better than any other radio format — hopefully AAA will support Crystal.

    I agree, it would probably help getting favorable reviews from major critics. Her Metacritic score consists of only 4 reviews, 2 of them, were among the worst of 10 or so, non-blog reviews, so could change for the better. Her score is about the same as Daughtry and David Cooks. Also, it´s my guess, that critics are generally harsher on anyone coming off of AI, could be wrong. Hopefully more major critics will review her album

    Mediacritic score is based on 5 reviews and is 59. And only one, Chicago Tribune, is a “Positive” review, the other four are mixed reviews. Similar to Daughtry and Cooks aggregate score but they both got several positive reviews.

    Daughtry 59 (10 reviews, 4 Positive, 5 mixed)
    David Cook 61 (6 reviews, 4 Positive)

    Cook’s album got 2 reviews that were not positive — the traditional Idol review from the Rolling Stone (their critics appear to have a bias against Idol and pop music) and a negative review from Blender (they definitely have a bias against Idol).

    IMO the similarity of these scores is deceptive.

  • CindyM

    I think Crystal might get a gig on AI. She’s not managed by 19 so it may not be automatic and her chances could depend on whether Gina Orr’s departure from 19 was smooth or not. I think her chances are good though.

  • cookcricket

    There are so many variables and factors (numbers or otherwise) that we can talk about. I believe every idol winner, runner-up and even finalist has a different story that factors into their post-idol sales, whether it’s their season, genre, background, economy, exposure by media, how much they’re supported by their management and label, and so on.

    For me, I have to say congratulations to Crystal for selling almost 3xs what many (at least here) were predicting for her first week. This makes me :).

    Now, just like everyone else, the work comes in and we’ll see if the album and most importantly, Crystal has legs to carry her outside of the idol bubba. I personally believe it and she does. We’ll see.

  • koshka

    Big portion of her sales came through itunes which to my knowledge didn´t have a special price

    Do we have final soundscan numbers already?

  • Eriko

    Do we have final soundscan numbers already?

    Don´t know, but since itunes is the single biggest retailer and she debuted #9 there, I think it goes without saying

  • CindyM

    Itunes is not the single biggest seller of albums. I think their market share for albums is pretty low. Singles yes, albums no.

  • Truthiness

    Well good for her for beating the projections for her album, and yeah good to beat Lee’s opening week, if only because man, that was a brutal number.

    How she’ll do after the xmas buying? and over time, will be interesting. And 58K is still not a great number of AI, though again, still much better than I expected, so yay! for Crystal.

  • songsungblue

    According to Gina Orr, the first printing for her CD was 125,000. So her first week’s sales must have more than met Jive’s expectations.

    The whole “OMG! That still sucks!” attitude is understandable, but I don’t share it. She did well by the season’s standards, and she’s done well considering she had no radio play and not a whole lot of promotion. Even the most negative reviews gave a nod to her obvious talent. And let’s face it – the fact that most of the Idol albums haven’t been very good [in the opinion of most reviewers, not saying they don't have their enthusiasts] has been the real culprit in hurting sales. Open Toes anyone? ;) Added to the fact that CDs are a dying industry, and the economy is not where it was a few years ago – I mean, P. Diddy opened under 100K – I think Crystal has done herself pretty proud, all things considered.

    Here’s the thing: I’ve never bought an AI album [I downloaded about half of Crystal's, that's the most I've done]. I’ve seen every season, and I enjoy participating on this forum. I love MJ’s wit and wisdom, not to mention a few others on here. But I don’t tend to buy the music, because the show and the music are separate for me. I didn’t care for Lee on the show, true, but I gave his album a fair listen. I didn’t think it was very good and I didn’t buy it. Apart from Crystal, I downloaded a few tracks from Adam’s album. Mad talented guy, but I didn’t like it all that much. They make these albums very quickly – that’s the problem. Give them a year or so, what different work they would have come up with!

    I love the song Arlene, so I think Crystal is capable of great things. I think she could rival Patty Griffin given time. I wish her luck.

  • windmills

    AllenTX: I think her sales is great, considering the overall low expectation. But I think the main thing she should worry about is that the album is not really getting raved about by most major critics, I mean, in a way some indie artists break out by getting critics’ attention and huge cult hippiesters following. Isn’t that her fans mostly hope for despite low sales expectation? Her Metacritc score is 59 so far, which is not even average.

    I don’t buy into the Metacritic score being the be all end all but even without it you can always tell when an album’s getting a wave of critical acclaim or a wave of critical disgust. In between’s trickier to tell, but in Crystal’s case there isn’t anything about the album that’s generating a positive OMG factor among critics. The big hope for the album IMHO is that the Farmer’s Daughter video goes viral and helps that song get a ton of attention. I think that would help her album go places plus like people are saying some great live showcases would probably help. I just wish there were more raw songs on the album.

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  • LoveDaRocker

    According to Gina Orr, the first printing for her CD was 125,000. So her first week’s sales must have more than met Jive’s expectations.

    The fact Jive knew 125k units would be enough to satisfy demand for FD does not mean they are happy about it.

  • tinawina

    The fact Jive knew 125k units would be enough to satisfy demand for FD does not mean they are happy about it.

    The amount shipped initially is supposed to represent what the label thinks the album will sell period, I think (?). Or at least over the course of the first few months. They would not have expected her to sell near half of that on her first week. So if anything, Jive might be totally surprised and now willing to spend a little extra money on her, since she is showing some sign of having more potential than what they originally thought.

    Anyway, there are other ways to make money other than album sales, so who knows if Jive’s plan involved recouping at least some of their investment some other way? They may have a 360 with her, she’s not managed by 19M.

  • Eriko

    The amount shipped initially is supposed to represent what the label thinks the album will sell period, I think (?). Or at least over the course of the first few months.

    When Gina mentioned the figure, 125k, she was responding to what´s a typical first run. So, IMO, they base their decision on the next batch according to how the market responses towards the first batch.

  • Niall

    It seems fairly safe to say that her appearances paid off. Instead of trending downward from first day predictions, she continued to trend upward, first to 53,000 and then to the final number of close to 58,000. I don’t think she has a ton of rabid fans from idol. What I think she’s has and will continue to have is a fanbase of casual AI watchers, and hopefully continue to pick up fans of those she is most closely associated, like Michael Franti and Melissa Etheridge. When all is said and done I don’t think she’ll be as reliant on the hardcore AI fan. We shall see.

    The other thing I found interesting is that almost none of her songs seemed to spike on iTunes individually to any significant degree. It seems people interested in her music bought the whole album rather than cherry picking favorite songs.

  • songsungblue

    I agree. I also think that Season 9 had less rabid fans and more casual fans. Personally, I think she’d do great as an opening act for a tour of say, Alannis Morrisette. I hope she gets that opportunity.

    ETA: Is it me, or is it hilarious that Crystal has succeeded brilliantly and failed horribly simultaneously? lol! Even the media is confused. ;)

  • tinawina

    When Gina mentioned the figure, 125k, she was responding to what´s a typical first run. So, IMO, they base their decision on the next batch according to how the market responses towards the first batch.

    Well that would make sense. Thanks! Either way it can’t be bad. She’ll have made a real dent in that by January, before any of her songs have any real exposure.

  • MrDuffin

    I mean, it’s roughtly 20 tousand less than what Kris did last year who had a lot of those factors mentioned previously going in his favor. Kris still has a record label contract, so these numbers hardly seem deadly for Crystal.

    Plus Kris had Adam’s coattail to ride on since Adam created the buzz for the season.

  • wjmtv

    MrDuffin:

    Plus Kris had Adam’s coattail to ride on since Adam created the buzz for the season.

    While that may be one (interesting) way of looking at it, it certainly isn’t how I see it.

    The demographics of where her album sold are interesting and I guess, to a certain extent, expected. I wonder how she did in the Pacific Northwest.

  • Eriko

    Wonder where Negativo is hiding? I miss his snark and dead on humor and to the point observations. Also, not many hard core Crystal fans on this blog. We need some balance :) Come out Negativo, where ever you are!

  • sr4mjc

    I think Negativo passed out from flailing :)

  • cookcricket
    I mean, it’s roughtly 20 tousand less than what Kris did last year who had a lot of those factors mentioned previously going in his favor. Kris still has a record label contract, so these numbers hardly seem deadly for Crystal.

    Plus Kris had Adam’s coattail to ride on since Adam created the buzz for the season.

    Kris continued to sell after his initial week and has shown ability to sell outside of the idol bubble. I think Crystal will do the same.

    LOL at Kris riding on Adam’s coattails. Maybe some bought Kris because of Adam, but I don’t think that’s how he sold most of his albums and singles.

  • CindyM

    I didn’t think the coattails was about Kris sales, but about media buzz. Of course Kris sales were due to him and his music.

  • cookcricket

    Gotcha CindyM, IA.

  • jaybee

    In this particular week(hottest sales of the year)- all albums go up about 30 per cent-even Lee’s did-thank God. So Crystal might have been around 42-45k, in any other week, for opening…

  • 1952

    So Crystal might have been around 42-45k, in any other week, for opening…

    But it wasn’t any other week.

  • mozart4898

    Well congrats to Crystal for exceeding expectations…even as the expectations rose during the first week her album was out. That says something to me – keep in mind the very first projections were 45K-50K. At the extreme, she surpassed that by 13K. Seems to show me that her album has more appeal than the “experts” thought, or something. I don’t know, but it’s always better to exceed expectations rather than fall short of them.

    And honestly, I wouldn’t have expected any different reaction from the AI bubble whether Crystal sold 5.8K, 58K, 158K, or 1,580K in her first week. S9 was the worst season ever, Crystal didn’t play the game the way a good Idol contestant should, and her style isn’t marketable, so in the Idol bubble, she’s blackballed. No matter what she does, it won’t be good enough, and that’s pretty much what I think the discussion has become. When (and I said when) her album ends up gold and keeps selling, people will say “well so what, Idols are supposed to sell a lot of albums…she’s sold nothing close to what Kelly, Carrie, and Daughtry did.” Pfffft. Ok, fine. Crystal’s pretty blunt, someone ask her when she passes the 500K mark if she feels like she’s failed because she hasn’t matched their numbers. Or ask Jive at that point if they feel like they’ve got a dud on their hands.

    The music industry just plain isn’t what it used to be, and Idol just doesn’t have the impact that it used to. Go back and look at that list of Idol winner and runner up debuts and you’ll notice that there’s a pretty clear break right after S5. Like I said yesterday, people are getting burnt out on the show – it’s not a cultural phenomenon like it used to be, and nowadays, the winners and runners up are debuting more like any typical new artist – actually, better than one. Most new artists would kill for a 58K opening week unless they’ve had some big big exposure somewhere prior to their first album release. We here (generally) are the obsessed really, and so it’s like an addiction – those that are the core Idol fans won’t get tired of the show and in fact will cling to it all the way to the end, whenever the end is. But the rest of the country doesn’t have the same interest any more. Do they still watch? Yeah, but in part because they’ve had little choice. Other networks wouldn’t even bother trying to schedule anything good during the same time slot as Idol, so people would flip it on out of habit or default. But the show seems to have lost its luster in the last 4 years – like most shows would 9 seasons in.

  • webdzine

    IMO, Crystal’s tickled pink that 1. She doen’t have to scrounge through dumpsters or beg for insulin as she was a year ago 2. She finally has a method to having the world hear what she has to say. Anything else is gravy. Though I’m sure she would like to sell enough to stay employed, for her, I think, it’s all about quality, not quantity. Rock on Mamasox…

  • MrDuffin

    And honestly, I wouldn’t have expected any different reaction from the AI bubble whether Crystal sold 5.8K, 58K, 158K, or 1,580K in her first week. S9 was the worst season ever, Crystal didn’t play the game the way a good Idol contestant should, and her style isn’t marketable, so in the Idol bubble, she’s blackballed. No matter what she does, it won’t be good enough, and that’s pretty much what I think the discussion has become.

    I wish I had said that….you are so right on the money!

  • tripp_ncwy

    Here is a list of songs Crystal has registered on ASCAP;

    Writers:
    BOWERSOX CRYSTAL LYNN

    Publishers/Administrators:
    MAMASOX
    Gina Orr/Orrigami Entertainment
    2236 26TH STREET
    SANTA MONICA, CA, 90405
    Tel. (310) 467-2251
    Email: GINA.ORR@GMAIL.COM

    Works written by:
    BOWERSOX CRYSTAL LYNN
    1 . ARLENE
    2 . CRY NO MORE
    3 . DADDY
    4 . DAMN THE DAWN
    5 . DREAMING IS FOR BABIES
    6 . FARMER’S DAUGHTER
    7 . FINALLY GOT IT RIGHT
    8 . FLOWERS FOR MOTHER
    9 . FREEDOM
    10 . GRAY HAIRED ROCK STAR
    11 . HOLY TOLEDO
    12 . I DO IT FOR YOU
    13 . KISS YA
    14 . MINE ALL MINE
    15 . MOVIE
    16 . NUMB
    17 . OBLIVIOUS TO THE OBVIOUS
    18 . OHIO FLIES BYE
    19 . ON THE RUN
    20 . PUT YOUR GUITAR DOWN
    21 . RAINING LIKE THE BOMBS IN BAGHDAD
    22 . RIDIN WITH THE RADIO
    23 . SANDMAN
    24 . SAVED BY GRACE
    25 . SOMETIMES
    26 . SPEAK NOW
    27 . STIR IT UP
    28 . TIME TO KILL
    29 . WHERE DO THE LOST LOVES GO

  • mozart4898

    ^^^^ @ that list…

    Damn. That’s just what she’s got registered as of now, she’s seriously got almost 2 full albums of music there besides this one, and I know from having heard the demo recordings of a couple of those that they’re not all duds either.

    You know, I’d wondered whether with the amount of material that Crystal has written, if Jive might actually try to get her to do a 2nd album perhaps by this time next year and strike while the iron is still hot. Of course, depending on whether she gets a good reception from the public. Could even have a couple live tracks on it – I could see doing live versions of Grey Haired Rockstars and Sandman on an album, they’d probably be great.

    I want to hear some of the more “controversial” sounding songs on there…Raining like the Bombs in Baghdad and Time to Kill are two that stick out from the titles.

  • 1952

    I’m surprised to see only 29 registered considering she said she’d written approx. 120 or so.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Mason was not listed. I wonder if it is listed under Brian on another registration site.

  • mozart4898

    I’m surprised to see only 29 registered considering she said she’d written approx. 120 or so.

    My guess is that these are the ones that she’d registered for consideration for the album – I can think of at least 2 I’ve heard that aren’t on that list (Mama and Just Want to Love Ya Before I Leave) so it’s definitely not all inclusive. I wonder honestly how old all those songs are. I pointed out Raining Like the Bombs in Baghdad, it would make sense that she wrote that in 2003-2004 considering that was the early part of the war.

    Mason was not listed. I wonder if it is listed under Brian on another registraion site.

    As I understood it Mason was mostly his, Crystal wrote the bridge.

  • karenc

    WHile Crystal’s numbers were good, and she was higher that Lee’s, the numbers weren’t really that much higher, and the ranking on the BB200 was lower. I think both are doing ok for a new artists and hope they continue to do well.

    However, I think the winner is compared to other winners more so than the runner up is. Crystal’s album is being discussed more positively than Lee’s was. And I think even if Lee had the same first week numbers as Crystal does now, being that they were still the lowest for an AI winner, that it still would be seen negatively. I mean, Lee would have had the same negative press if he had sold 57000 instead of 39000. I just think they should be given a chance to see how they will do with their records.

  • 1952

    WHile Crystal’s numbers were good, and she was higher that Lee’s, the numbers weren’t really that much higher, and the ranking on the BB200 was lower.

    Yeah .. whats up with that? She sells 19k more and he debuts higher on the chart.

  • earthy

    Christmas music sales always make it competitive with people gift buying for the holidays this past week so that is likely why a lot of them big mainstream artists continued to have huge weeks not allowing Crystal to have the best position on the chart yet overall sales are more important anyways.

  • plays strings

    It seems to me that everybody and their brother (sister, uncle, distant cousin) released something for Christmas. Really a lot of music to choose from. So, I think Crystal did really well in that environment. We’ll know more in the new year. I think there’s a world of possibilities for her.

    Lee is a bit more troublesome to explain because he was a little ahead of the season. But he’s not done by any means.

  • shlitzy

    How can you even begin to compare this sales week to any other week of the year? She was going to sell to her core fan base no matter what. The numbers are real, and that is how many fans she had that loved who she was and supoorted her. If in the next few weeks it drops off dramatically, then she will be like every other artist.
    This record is a record that needs to be diagnosed over a year at least. And not just for musical value alone. She does not have a top 40 hit on FD we all know that, and this is where everything goes haywire.
    She never wanted one to begin with. AI has never been about artist development, it has always been about a hit song with a TV star. The biggest artist in CB’S genre is Ray Lamontagne and he has only sold I think 250k. Dave Matthews would have never won on the show either.

    They need to stick to singers with no talent for songwriting ability. A lot of people will never be able to tell the difference between an entertainer and an artist, or even care less for that matter. S10 should be the make it or break it year for this show,

  • karenc

    1952:
    12/22/2010 at 9:04 pm
    WHile Crystal’s numbers were good, and she was higher that Lee’s, the numbers weren’t really that much higher, and the ranking on the BB200 was lower.

    Yeah .. whats up with that? She sells 19k more and he debuts higher on the chart.

    It’s because more total albums were sold that week, so the amount for all the rankings goes up.

  • karenc

    They need to stick to singers with no talent for songwriting ability. A lot of people will never be able to tell the difference between an entertainer and an artist, or even care less for that matter. S10 should be the make it or break it year for this show,

    Many of the singers that have done the best after the show have had some songwriting ability, including Kelly Clarkson and Daughtry.

    And actually, some of the singers that are doing the best outside of AI do write their own music, including Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, and Taylor Swift. And part of their appeal is that they write their music.

  • mozart4898

    This record is a record that needs to be diagnosed over a year at least. And not just for musical value alone. She does not have a top 40 hit on FD we all know that, and this is where everything goes haywire.

    Do we know that? I mean I tend to agree, I doubt she does, but then again things do happen. I don’t think Jewel was expected to be the breakout star she was. Not sure about Alanis either. In hindsight they are (were) both big names, but when their albums first dropped were they already big names that were expected to have the hits they did? Farmer’s Daughter (the song, not the album) could take off, who knows. If I had to guess I don’t think her core fanbase really is too thrilled with LWCA or HO (I think they’re ok but nothing spectacular), but both of them may have some radio appeal as well.

    To me, Crystal selling 58K in her debut week and having a manager who seems to have good connections, as well as she herself being a very talented live performer, shows me that there might be potential for some kind of breakout from her yet. Maybe not, but I wouldn’t write off her chances at a top 40 hit at this point, at all. And no, I don’t think it was Crystal’s goal, but yet at the same time, I doubt she’d be too upset if FD really touched a nerve with many many listeners and the song ended up taking off on HAC. Likely…no. But possible? Heck, anything’s possible. I keep going back in my mind to the swing revival in the late 90s…who really thought that would happen? Yet several groups and songs in that genre made quite a splash then.

  • Ratna12

    MrDuffin:

    Plus Kris had Adam’s coattail to ride on since Adam created the buzz for the season.

    LOL, too funny. Thanks for making me laugh.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Though the selling album of Lee and now Crystal was solid after all AI 9 negative press, but in my opinion it still sell not good.

    I agree. It’s great that she sold more than what was expected, but the expectations were extremely low in the first place. Both Lee and Crystal got a built-in fanbase of millions, and this is the result. One can’t blame all for the show getting old.

    Yes, relatively speaking and considering the exposure to 20-25 million potential fans every week for months, these sales figures are not impressive (especially since Kris was trashed for selling ~80K). The older demographics of the Idol viewership should have been more compatible with Crystal attracting and retaining a larger fanbase from the show.

    However, who can argue that overall S9 has been a disaster in terms of Idol bragging rights as a selling machine. i think the combined first weeks sales of the finalists on Idol were S7=450k, S8=270K S9= 95K. That’s just not a good development for the show. (And I won’t even get into S2 when first week tally was 1M albums. Those days are gone forever)

    That’s true and does suggest a troubling trend for the franchise.

    I’ll take the numbers for Crystal because they’re better than the really bad numbers I’d been expecting. Now let’s see what kind of legs the album gets and whether Crystal is able to make inroads into the folk/alternative scene. I still think it’ll be tough for her but at least she has the right lead single.

    The numbers are better than I expected too, but still not great in Idol terms. It will be interesting to see if Crystal can build a fanbase and transition successfully beyond Idol.

    To me, her numbers indicate that she attracted interest due to her TV and live appearances. I would say she’s alreday reached beyond the Idol audience a bit. That’s a good thing. The next month should help give us an indication of where her sales will go.

    I disagree. Like all Idol alums, first week sales are primarily due to the fanbase that they attracted from the show. What happens with sales after the first few weeks will show if Crystal will be able to transition successfully to acquiring fans from the non-Idol public.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    They need to stick to singers with no talent for songwriting ability. A lot of people will never be able to tell the difference between an entertainer and an artist, or even care less for that matter. S10 should be the make it or break it year for this show,

    If you mean that singers/entertainers who are not songwriters are not artists, then I disagree. I don’t think that generalization holds true. There are lots of singers/entertainers who are artists (Ella, Frank, Bennett), and not all songwriters are good singers/entertainers (Dylan). Some are both (James Taylor).

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Atypical songs can become hits on CHR/HAC radio, so it’s hard to predict which songs will be successful in advance. Mraz’s “I’m Yours” and Owl City’s “Fireflies” are 2 relatively recent examples of such oddities (IMO). So it’s possible for a song of Crystal’s to be a mainstream radio hit, but just not likely.

  • shlitzy

    fuzzy, Sinatra? Ella? James Taylor? I was speaking if the last 20 years not the last 50. Which Entertainer is an artist that I missed LATELY?

  • shlitzy

    Mozart, the problem with CB radio songs is they have nothing to do with launching her in the area of AAA she wants to be in. Jewel and Alanis had both the direction and the songs. Triple A will not support this record. Country should.