Carrie Underwood's Stance On Marriage Equality-Reaction Roundup

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Carrie Underwood made waves when comments she made supporting marriage equality began circulating around the internet Friday night. Check out a sampling of the public discussion that has resulted after the jump.

Carrie Underwood’s comments about homosexuality and marriage equality in the context of her faith (which you can read here and are further developed here) have spread in daily waves as more and more media outlets pick them up, hitting critical mass Tuesday. As you might expect, Internet reaction has been heavy in volume and fervor.

Billboard characterizes the reaction among Carrie’s fans as “uniformly positive.” That is generally true, though not completely. You do have a few here and there who are tweeting over and over and over (and over again) asserting that they are done with Carrie (see also: this followed by this and this and more from the same person). But there is mostly support for Carrie’s views, as you can find here, here, here, and here, and then some.

One of the two original UK Independent articles quoted a spokesperson for Equality California saying:

If you look at younger evangelicals, they are hugely out of step with their parents on this issue…They remain committed to their faith, but don’t see gay rights being in conflict with Christian values. So while her comments are great news, they aren’t necessarily a huge surprise.”

The LA Times found a conservative group voicing support for Carrie’s stance:

“Good for her,” said Jimmy LaSalvia, co-founder and executive director of GOProud, an organization that bills itself as “the voice of gay conservatives and their straight allies.”

“You know, Carrie Underwood isn’t any different from anyone else in America,” LaSalvia said Monday in an e-mail to The Times. “The more Americans think about how issues affect their gay friends and family the more they come to realize that supporting same-sex civil marriage is the right thing to do. More and more people are coming to that conclusion — and that includes conservative Christians.

But one look at the comments sections under articles on this story at the Taste Of Country, Entertainment Weekly, The Hollywood Reporter, The Boot, People, E Online, Roughstock and the Christian Post (which describes her congregation’s understanding of God’s word as “unconventional”) reveals where a number of Christian hardliners stand while also making clear there is plenty of support for Carrie’s stance. The typical exchanges feature hardliners quoting Scripture and criticizing Carrie (and worse) for allegedly not knowing her Bible or for selectively reading from it, while others question whether those Biblical literalists also feel people should never wear polyester, eat pork or shellfish, and that women should stay silent in church since those are also part of the Bible. Here’s a sample comment representing each side.

From jfm in the Entertainment Weekly comments section:

Miss Underwood is obviously a very naive and uninformed “Christian”. No where in the Bible is there any acknowledgment that God supports gay relationships. The Bible defines marriage as one man and one woman united together and the two shall become one. Homosexual relationships have and always will be considered a deviation of what God established as holy sexual relationships. Sex was never designed to be the sole purpose of human relationships. Our culture puts too much importance on sex. Sex was devised as a pleasurable part of populating God’s kingdom on earth. But it was not and never has been designed for any other purpose than that. Men cannote procreate with men and women cannot procreate with women. It’s not that God doesn’t love persons who are engaged in unholy behavior–far from it–it’s because of his love for them that he has given them Christ the Saviour to deliver them from their sinful predispositions. We all have sinful predispositions but it is how we feel abou them that matters. Celibacy is not a punishment but can be a responsibly beautiful way of living. Sex has destroyed too many relationships. It’s okay for men to have intimate non-sexual relationships with men–it’s called friendship. Friendships are beautiful, loving and free of all the complications and heartaches and even physical pain that non-ordained sexual relationships present,(This goes for women, too) But the more our culture continues to endorse Satan’s lies about sexual liberty and sexual equality, pretty soon other taboos as pedophilia, and beastiality will want to be acknowledged as legitimate. It’s time to tell the truth. The truth will set you free

From Captain Obvious from the Entertainment Weekly comments section:

The lack of biblical literacy on this board astounds me. Have the Christians commenting on this board actually studied the Bible? Not just read it, but studied it? Jesus never once attacks homosexuality. Not once. The go-to pull quote about homosexuality is from Leviticus, which wasn’t written by God, doesn’t apply to Christians, and isn’t simply about homosexuality, it’s about sexual violence (which you would know, had you studied biblical history and not just taken what conservative pundits vomit on talk radio as truth). But Christians have been pulling quotes from the Bible to fight against progressive social changes since time began. Remember all the Bible signs during civil rights? Women’s suffrage? Anti-slavery? Same thing here – this is simply ignorant people justifying their own prejudice by wielding passages from the Bible as a tool of intolerance.

Further, if your argument is, “homosexuality is a sin”, have you stopped to consider that there isn’t a tier of sin? We are all equally guilty of sinning under the Christian faith. Pre-marital sex is or divorce is no better or worse than homosexuality. Everyone sins. The degree of arrogance and self-righteousness it requires on the part of the sinner to not only condemn a fellow neighbor, but strip them of legal rights – is truly astonishing. All of these Christians have forgotten the fundamental teachings of Jesus. LOVE thy neighbor. Can you love someone when you’re attacking them personally (not your job) or even condemning them to hell (not your job) publicly?

Meanwhile, Carrie’s comments have garnered positive notice from GLAAD and Human Rights Campaign while also getting positive coverage in LGBT-focused media sites like The Advocate, Out magazine, Instinct magazine, and Towleroad (which also posted a link to the trailer for Carrie’s “Blown Away” video).

Legendary guitarist Peter Frampton tweeted: “Thank you @carrieunderwood for your personal words on all marriages. Hope you guys are doing great!” Clay Aiken, who has recently made the media rounds discussing marriage equality in the wake of North Carolina’s passage of an amendment banning gay marriage, tweeted: “Way to go @carrieunderwood !! Speak out bravely and honestly. Your words are gonna change minds!” Miley Cyrus tweeted “I think it would be amazing if @carrieunderwood posed for @NOH8Campaign Would be wonderful to get that kinda support from country music!” As for the country world, Texas singer-songwriter Kacey Musgraves tweeted her enthusiastic support for Carrie’s comments, while the country duo Bomshel tweeted “Wow. I just really became an Underwood fan.” (though it’s not confirmed that is in relation to Carrie’s comments about marriage equality). Most vocal and supportive has been a country singer who made headlines in 2010 when she came out as a lesbian, Chely Wright. Chely Wright has painstakingly documented her journey through a book and now through film while advocating for LGBT equality and acceptance, and had recently commented to CBS News:

“And so, it’s…a rejection mostly because I would like to hear a country music artist, the big ones, not just say, ‘Well, I like Chely. I like her even though she’s gay.’ I need a country artist who is a big deal, like Jay-Z in his community; He came forward and said, ‘I believe in equality for all.’ I’m struggling because I have not heard that from the big stars in country music.”

She has tweeted her appreciation of Carrie’s comments a few times, calling her “brave and bold.”

It’s worth noting Carrie is not the first mainstream country singer to show openness to marriage equality. Garth Brooks has been a consistent advocate for gay rights and gay equality, most notably in 1992 when he wrote and released “We Shall Be Free” (key line: “When we’re free to love anyone we choose…We shall be free”). He also sang a duet with George Michael at Equality Rocks in 2000 (his sister is an out lesbian). Dolly Parton has spoken of her support for gay marriage in her typically disarming, humorous way. Toby Keith discussed the issue in September 2011:

That whole gay issue thing, that’s never bothered me,” he told CMT Insider correspondent Allison DeMarcus. “I’ve never seen what that affects and [why] anybody should care — and they never do affect me.”
He continued, “First of all, we’re going to stop somebody from getting a marriage license because they’re gay? You won’t stop them from living together, so what have you accomplished? … Wasting a lot of money here and a lot of time that could be spent working on this deficit that we’re under … I never saw the reasoning behind getting in people’s personal lives.”

Reba did an interview with Out magazine in 2009 and discussed her stance on gay marriage:

Reba McEntire: I just try not to judge. Don’t judge me, and I won’t judge you. And that’s what it says in the Bible — ‘Don’t judge.’ Keep an open mind. That would be my voice. I have gay friends. I have a lot of straight friends. I don’t judge them. I take them for what they are. They’re my friends, and I can’t defend my feelings for them, other than I like ‘em.

There are many in the LGBT community who want the right to marry and have what you and your husband have together. What are your thoughts on same-sex marriage?
Reba: Again, I can’t judge that. I have gay friends who have partners, and I see where they would want to get married. I understand why. So, I can’t judge that.

Martina McBride also reached out to the gay media with an interview with Out magazine back in 2009 (tolerance was discussed, though not the topic of gay marriage) while Rascal Flatts were comfortable with a song from their 2009 album Unstoppable called “Love Who You Love” being interpreted as encouragement to accept homosexual relationships.

What makes Carrie’s comments somewhat different is she is probably the most prominent celebrity recently to frame her opinions of homosexuality and marriage equality in the context of her Christian beliefs as opposed to personal, practical, or political/legal considerations. As a result a lot of the reaction has centered on her religious faith.

As far as possible career repercussions, Dial Global Country programmer Tony Thomas tweeted that he didn’t foresee anything negative coming out of this for Carrie, while Music Row gossip reporter Jimmy Carter called into country radio station WQYK to say he was surprised by the force of Carrie’s comments but wasn’t sure they would cause a big reaction. One of the morning show DJs said he was proud of Carrie for her comments, but his attempt to inject some seriousness into the disucssion were laughed off. Sometimes Rolling Stone contributor and Country Music Awards head writer David Wild tweeted:

I’m always blown away to know & sometimes even get to work with @carrieunderwood. But I’ve never been prouder than THIS week.

But Wild Bill McKubby at unmonitored country station WBYZ 94.5 (South Georgia) cited Scripture in lecturing Carrie, claiming:

If Carrie Underwood was a run of the mill country artist who came out with this statement I would personally disagree with this and probably think it’s better for your music career to not come out in support of a hot political and spiritual issue in fear of offending a large segment of those who listen to and enjoy your music.

Carrie Underwood when she got married spoke passionately about her and her husband Mike Fisher’s Christian beliefs. She talked about how she read the “Purpose Driven Life”, prayed with her husband and had Bible study together. When Carrie says her opinion is based on Christian faith, I have a real problem with that because the very same scripture she studies contradicts her views on gay marriage.

He also audio of callers mocking her views. Before we get too deep into regional stereotypes, WSOC, a Billboard and Mediabase main chart monitored country station based in Charlotte, North Carolina tweeted:

We’re proud of @CarrieUnderwood for speaking out for equality! http://bit.ly/KB3ONf

Meanwhile, highly regarded veteran country radio consultant Jaye Albright of Albright & O’Malley wrote a very touching blog to thank Carrie for her words and to urge country radio to play a little more Carrie this week.

Carrie’s Twitter following has increased by nearly 30k since Friday according to Twitter counter despite her not having tweeted since Saturday afternoon, and the rate of gains in the past few days has increased over last week. Carrie just enjoyed her 14th Mediabase #1 and 12th Billboard #1 on the country charts in “Good Girl,” which will officially sell 1 million copies in the US when Soundscan numbers are released this morning. Her next single “Blown Away,” the title track of her current album (the album will have sold close to 550k in 6 weeks when Soundscan numbers are released later today), is set to go for adds at country radio on July 9th and had already received 2 Mediabase adds before being officially announced as single yesterday evening.

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  • Anonymous

    Nice piece, windmills. Thanks for pulling all of this stuff together.

    (And go, Carrie.)

  • Anonymous

    Great job, Windmills.  And i will say it again…Go Carrie!!

    Can I just say how much I love Dolly Parton? Even with the boobs and the wigs, she is so simple and genuine.  She judges no one and is never willing to denigrate anyone (as opposed to the interviewer Joy Behar).

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Very nice summary and update on this ongoing issue, windmills.  Thanks!

  • http://twitter.com/Samwitwicky8 Sam witwicky

    Are these roundup posts going to be happening from now on? If so, I am expecting Jessica Sanchez’ media roundup following her national anthem.

  • Anonymous

    Well written Windmills and an nice summary of the impact/response from Carrie’s statement.  SOme people’s views will never change but many will revisit their thoughts on a subject when a person of Carrie’s stature speaks honestly from the heart.

  • Anonymous

    I think for most young people, which is probably Carrie’s biggest fan base, this is a non-issue these days. I don’t really expect it to hurt her career much, if any.
     
    Blown Away video is gonna be amazing. <3

  • Anonymous

    Rock on, Captain Obvious! And Carrie. :)

    Marriage equality will come, just like votes for blacks & women once did. It will take longer than many of us would like, but it will happen.

    And I believe that it will be thanks in large part to those evil folks in the entertainment industry who brainwash our children with all their devilish liberal ideas. Heh.

  • Anonymous

    What Carrie is getting in comment sections and from some media and radio people is way less vitriolic than people like Clay and Adam get for actually being gay, vocal and out. We should have some posts here reflecting those so that eyes can be opened to what they face out there. I love that she voiced her support, but at the end of the day, she still has it a lot easier than those whose rights are apparently up for a vote.

    I long for the day when its not an issue for anyone

  • http://twitter.com/BobbiNJ Bobbi

    Great job, Windmills!

    It makes me happy that Carrie said what she did. If her words open just one person’s eyes or give strength to one gay child, which I am sure they will, she has accomplished an amazing feat.

  • Anonymous

    Nicely done, Windmills.  Kudos to Carrie for speaking out on something she believes in despite the potential repercussions on her career.

  • V Jemmy

    Really nice round up, windmills.  I was wondering how Carrie’s side of the industry was going to take this and it looks like it’s pretty much what I expected, if not better. 

    Still impresses me that she came out with this, especially since there was a potential of having a severe backlash (I’m thinking of the Dixie Chicks here).

    And I believe that it will be thanks in large part to those evil folks
    in the entertainment industry who brainwash our children with all their
    devilish liberal ideas.

    They’re so evil.

  • Anonymous

    Great job, Windmills. Thank you.

    As a Jew, I am a bit disconcerted to discover the first five books of the Bible weren’t written by God and don’t apply to Christians.

    I assume that’s why so many Christians violate the Ten Commandments. They weren’t written by God and don’t apply to Christians!

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, Windmills.  I’m impressed at the amount of work you did, gathering all this information.  But then, I’m always impressed at how much work and thought you put into every post.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X3EBGLZMUFDHE2PTJBT266WO74 Andy

    Thank you, Windmills.
    Now, everyone who supports Carrie go out and buy her latest CD to show our REAL support.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks Windmills, and go Carrie! I had already downloaded a couple of songs, but her comments inspired me to download the whole album. And I am not a big country music fan.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    This is so true. I am happy that Carrie stated her support for gay rights and marriage. It’s always nice to see celebrities come out for good causes and are on the right side of the issues but I don’t think Carrie’s coming out with her support will change any minds. I just don’t think she has that kind of influence with regards to this issue. Gay marriage is a hot, divisive, controversial subject wrapped around religion. Those who are against it because of religious reason will not change their minds and those in the middle are unlikely to be swayed one way or another by what a celebrity says. Not this topic. It never does. People who soften or change their minds usually only end up doing so when it starts to affect them or hits close to home. Sometimes you have to go through your own experience. It’s also about your surroundings. It’s like living in a small town but no black people. Your not familiar with a group of people so you have a certain view of them. Racism is illegal but it still exist and if you ask African Americans there’s still work and how they are perceived. This country will progress when gays continue to live their lives openly and free. It’s those people that makes the real difference just by existing. As time goes by and gays get their rights and continue to be part of society hopefully in a generation from now it will be NBD but as with AA some people will never get used to it.

  • windmills

    MelanieT1111: What Carrie is getting in comment sections and from some media and radio people is way less vitriolic than people like Clay and Adam get for actually being gay, vocal and out. We should have some posts here reflecting those so that eyes can be opened to what they face out there. I love that she voiced her support, but at the end of the day, she still has it a lot easier than those whose rights are apparently up for a vote.

    To be honest, the purpose of the reaction roundup was not to boost Carrie’s candidacy for Sainthood/Victimhood Idol against other Idols who have it worse. The purpose of the reaction roundup was to do a follow up on what has turned into a big news story which has spawned renewed discussion/debate of marriage equality in a couple of (sometimes intersecting) communities that don’t normally debate it. There’s a follow up post because MJ’s original post on the topic came a few days ahead of when the story hit critical mass as far as awareness and because it’s a big news story.

    It’s a big news story because of Carrie’s celebrity but an even bigger news story because of the surprise factor. Carrie’s devout Christianity makes her a surprise candidate in many people’s minds to make the stand she did, the particular argument she used to articulate her stance is a surprise because it isn’t one people normally associate with LGBT equality support, Carrie’s usual reticence on controversial topics makes her a surprise candidate to make the stand she did, and the stereotypes of Carrie’s fanbase in country music make her a surprise candidate in many people’s minds to make the stand she did. 

    So, the reaction roundup attempts to look at all that without focusing on “Poor Carrie, look at the bigoted haters who are hating.” There is some career impact  discussion at the end because a number of the media stories wondered aloud whether this might be her Dixie Chicks moment. I didn’t agree with that idea, and I think the reaction examples I presented support the idea that it is off base, at least so far. So again, not about the victimhood, and more about reflecting the reaction from as many angles and in as many relevant communities, as possible. 

    Too, there’s been a crazy amount of stereotyping in a lot of the reporting, starting with the original UK Independent article. Stereotyping of the country world, stereotyping of Carrie’s fanbase, stuff like that. So, there’s an effort here to put Carrie’s comments in the proper context through the reaction and also a little bit of history. Sure, there are those who live down to the stereotypes, but many do not and let’s try to get at exactly why Carrie’s comments have made waves.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I3NQHPT3NA6VGKK22RCMTGOCII Tiffany

    nvm

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure Carrie was aware there would be blow-back if she stated her opinion publicly; I’m sure there are those who advised her not to,to keep her opinions to herself.  It is to her credit that she is acting on the basis of her conviction and her religious belief.  It is easy for those of us not in the public eye to bloviate on our belief systems; we do not stand to lose anything.  Carrie does.  She is admirable.  Good for her.

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s too soon to tell if this will be Carrie’s “Dixie Chicks moment,” but if it isn’t, that’s an interesting statement in itself.

    Is it because Carrie emerged from Idol, which makes you not just a performer, but a likeable personality?

    Or is it because right wing “patriots” loved George Bush more dearly than conservative Christian country music fans care about denying equal rights for gays and lesbians?

    It could also be that there won’t be a “Dixie Chicks moment,” but more of a gradual sliding away from popularity, a greylist rather than a blacklist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FHPSZBZYLZZ725JXF3A5AYTNSU Kellen

    Good for Carrie. And as far as those claiming to be “done with her”, all I have to say is Sorry About Your Damn Luck!

  • Anonymous

    Again, kudos to Carrie. I believe country music to be a very restrictive artistic environment. The Dixie Chicks career was basically over after Natalie Maines made comments about George W Bush, yet the same punitive actions do not apply when a few country artists have verbally attacked President Obama. Yes country music is conservative. There are gay male country artists who have to stay in the closet to maintain their career. Maybe what Carrie has done is to get people to start thinking.

  • Anonymous

    “Now, everyone who supports Carrie go out and buy her latest CD to show our REAL support.”

    You know, I think I just might. I’ve not listened to it, or any of its songs for that matter. I’m not really a country music fan either. But, I think I just might. And, I might just add my name to her twitter follower list, too, since that’s being counted as significant. LOL

    Good for Carrie. (And, thank you windmills!)

    ETA: After listening to snippets, I remained squarely on the “might” buy fence, maybe even leaning toward the “nah, i’ll pass” side of it. Then, I came back here and read another comment or two. Now, I’m firmly planted on the “will” and “did” buy side. :-)

  • Anonymous

    I do realize that Clay and Adam have gotten way more toxic comments and mockery than Carrie, but this in not a contest on got mocked the most. It’s a summary of what’s been going on ever since the news of Carrie’s stance came out. No need to turn everything into a contest lol.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JT6RK4NQME54FA3FVYTTHLTRTQ Southnsoul

    Well, many people in this country, believe that accepting relations,
    like homosexuality is harmful to the individual, to the family, and to
    society at large, and I am one of those people. Apart from the Bible,
    most people know that homosexuality goes against nature and is abnormal
    behavior.

    Whenever someone, (unbelievably) tries to defend a particular sin with
    scripture, they usually quote Jesus’ words, “Love one another.” Well, He
    also said many other things that would not be accepted in this
    “everything goes” society that we live in, including, “Go and sin no
    more.” And lest anyone forget, His Father as well as His chief Apostle
    said this about homosexuality…  “If a man lies with a male as he lies
    with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.” (Lev. 20:13)
    Also, “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
    ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
    unrighteousness. Therefore God gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts
    of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who
    exchanged the truth of God for a lie. For this reason God gave them up
    to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for
    what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use
    of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men
    committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of
    their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God
    in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those
    things which are not fitting; who, knowing the righteous judgment of
    God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not
    only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.” (Rom. 1:
    18; 24-28)

  • Anonymous

    “most people know that homosexuality goes against nature and is abnormal 

    behavior.”
    OK, I don’t know where you get that from. o.O

  • Anonymous

    YAY! So glad to hear that :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002033520082 Brian Thurman

    I still love Carrie and her music, but she is such a hypocrite. 

    She has said she is a country artist and not pop while taking a stab at Taylor Swift and Shania Twain. Her new album doesn’t sound country, but more pop. Her new song “Blown Away”(her best song yet imo) doesn’t even have an ounce of country sound to it.

    During the last election she said that she thinks it’s so stupid when someone famous comes out and endorses someone and now she comes out endorsing gay marriage??? 

  • Anonymous

    Southnsoul, I absolutely do not hold the same beliefs as you do but I respect your right to believe as you wish, and to express it in a peaceful manner.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The following letter was written to Dr. Laura Schlesinger, but because of what you have posted here, I would like to address it to you as well (with a little paraphrasing). I hope that you can provide the necessary advice.

    Thank you for trying to educate people regarding God’s Law. … When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I will simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination… End of debate. Its in the Bible – end of argument!

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how best to follow them.

    1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. Clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?

    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wriggle room here?

    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    It appears that you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

    Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

  • Anonymous

    there is a difference between endorsing a politician and defending human rights.

    blown away might not musically sound country, but the lyrics and story telling are very country. and she has some very country songs on the album. carrie has always been a contemporary country artist with crossover appeal. 

  • http://twitter.com/deadspotter crossover

    I still admire those celeb/people who stand by their own beliefs that marriage should be only between a man and a woman. It tells more about their character. In this very cruel world where a man will be automatically called a homophobic if he says no to it. And they are not being pressured by the trend. They stand by their own feet even the whole world will be against them.

    Life is unfair and we should face it. We’re living in a world right now where saying “yes” is the only option.

  • Anonymous

    But what one believes as a private moral standard doesn’t necessarily track with what one believes should be supported as a matter of policy.

    And as a matter of policy, it is effectively impossible to provide the same legal and financial protections to same-sex partners with civil union frameworks as it would be to treat them as legally married.

    Saying “I will not attend a church that celebrates a union I think is contrary to God’s law, but I’m not an expert in property rights and will let governments do what is necessary to make sure that everyone’s health and property is protected” sounds to me like standing up for one’s beliefs.

    I don’t have to believe that someone is moral to believe in due process for them.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Although I admire Carrie in speaking her mind in support of gay marriage, I’m not a fan of her music, so I won’t be buying it.

  • LaurelG

    I must admit Carrie surprised me with her comments. I’ve always thought of her as very PC in her public statements regardless of what her personal feelings might be (which I had no clue about since I only follow her on this blog). But I really appreciate her comments and don’t doubt that they are heartfelt. She expressed herself beautifully. Love others, accept others’ differences, don’t judge. Sounds like my kind of Christian.

  • Anonymous

     It’s all well and good to stand your ground when your ground is NOT shifting or being sent through a sieve; in other words, when “you” already have those rights given automatically, and proceed to deny them to others, I don’t really have much sympathy for that poor man being pressured to try and understand why someone would want what “you” have, no questions or fighting necessary. It’s really pretty simple and human, and beyond that, separation of church and state is the very basis for avoiding something like this very thing. Go ahead and believe what you wish, practice your faith, but what you cannot and SHOULD NOT be allowed to do is make law that takes someone’s else’s ability to enjoy the same things as you do away or never get in the first place. By all means stand by your belief but understand someday someone else may believe something that affects your own rights and put it into law…funny how that happens in other parts of the world and “we” end up in arms over it. This, to my mind, is very similar.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TU77Y2NE2LY7AWGEOTUEUY5KKQ goldiver

    For example, only hundreds of people is pro to gay marriage and the media is quite conservative, will celebs like Carrie come out and say “Hey guys’ let’s support gay marriage.”
    The media could label you anything if you say no to it, obviously. But if you support it, there is a tiny fraction of negativity that will surround it and that will go unnoticed. And if you say no to it, the immediate headline will sound negative.

    Let’s face it, is there any celeb that do not support this thing? Who are these celebs? And what headline did they receive? Did it sound more positive or more negative?

  • http://twitter.com/deadspotter crossover

    Honestly, if you’re sincere about this thing, you should have come out and say “yes i support it,” long time ago when Obama wasn’t even supporting it at the very first place.

  • windmills

    Brian Thurman: She has said she is a country artist and not pop while taking a stab at Taylor Swift and Shania Twain. Her new album doesn’t sound country, but more pop. Her new song “Blown Away”(her best song yet imo) doesn’t even have an ounce of country sound to it.

    During the last election she said that she thinks it’s so stupid when someone famous comes out and endorses someone and now she comes out endorsing gay marriage???

    Gay marriage is not a person. At the time Carrie explained that she was specifically talking about not liking celebrity candidate endorsements. She also said (not in the original TV Guide interview but in elaborating on what she meant) she had no problem with celebs raising awareness about issues and encouraging people to educate themselves about them. So, there’s no inconsistency between her comments then and her comments now.

    Carrie’s never taken stabs at Taylor Swift or Shania Twain over whether they are country or pop and she has repeatedly cited  Shania as an influence and somebody who opened doors for her (she most recently said this to the UK’s Now mag). The only thing Carrie said that could be construed as a criticism of Shania is in her EW cover story in 2007 in which she said she hates remixes and prefers the original country versions of all of Shania’s songs.

    And, guess what? Carrie’s stuck to her guns about that – she has always refused to remix her songs to this day, even though country radio hasn’t punished Taylor, Lady A, and The Band Perry for it. Fun fact: those EW comments were made before Taylor even started her pop crossover attempt so Carrie’s comments had nothing to do with her. If anything the remix comments show Carrie sticks to her guns, even if at the cost of crossover success.

    As far as Blown Away the album, it’s a matter of opinion but I actually think it’s Carrie’s most country album yet, especially lyrically and vocally. It’s definitely true that tracks 1-4 and track 14 are not produced country, but tracks 5-10 are definitely country/pop and tracks 11-13 are the most country songs she’s ever done. Even tracks 2 & 3 (Blown Away and Two Black Cadillacs), though not produced country both have country storylines and country vocals from Carrie.

  • Anonymous

    As a bunch of people have pointed out, it’s unlikely that anyone ever asked her before.  I imagine that US reporters expected a vague “I know that God loves everyone but this is a tough issue for society” non-answer.  In the UK, they don’t know her background as well, just that she got married recently.

    I’d rather someone answer the question thoughtfully and carefully when asked than spout some slogan that wouldn’t change anyone’s mind.

    She is putting it in the context of thinking about how valuable her own marriage is to her and that she wouldn’t want to deny anyone that.  Isn’t that the kind of thought process that might make others consider how she feels?

  • LaurelG

    I disagree with the idea that Carrie lacks the power to change minds. She’s one more advocate, one more voice added to the chorus. At some point it becomes enough to influence others. At some point it becomes enough to allow someone else to seriously consider an idea that previously he or she had dismissed out of hand. Never underestimate the power of “one.”

  • Anonymous

    I still admire those celeb/people who stand by their own beliefs that marriage should be only between a man and a woman.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t admire those people, just like I wouldn’t have admired those that stood by their beliefs that black people should be enslaved, or jewish people should be put in concentration camps, or that the mentally ill should be institutionalized, or that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote, or that Christians should be put to death for their beliefs. When I believe that someones convictions are coming from a place of bigotry, fear, ignorance, and hatred, I admire nothing about them.

  • Anonymous

    Instead of everyone buying Carrie’s album or radio station’s playing her music more,why does’nt everyone buy a gay artist’s album and radio station’s play their music more.It’s not like Carrie is’nt being played on the radio or selling album’s.She does’nt need sell’s and radio play ,the gay artist does.

  • Incipit

    “The following letter was written to Dr. Laura Schlesinger”

    Fuzzywuzzy, reading with interest, and *chuckling*. The first time I saw that open letter on the internet may have been as early as 2003 – not sure – but it still has no answer now – as it did not then.

    I think, except for the genuine whack jobs, no one who quotes Leviticus really wants to look very closely at what they are advocating – it just serves as handy rhetoric. And that’s a shame, because looking would be useful….for the % of people who are using those words as an argument. Either they are advocating death, or they are not; if they are – hate speech is actionable in many jurisdictions.

    I know Carrie couched her answer in terms of her faith, that’s how it was presented when asked…as mj said, her empathy for other humans was an example of ‘walking the walk’, she didn’t have to volunteer those thoughts to answer the question, but obviously, it mattered to her. Kudos for that forthrightness.

    But ultimately, religion is not even the real argument. IMO. I have been saddened over the years to see that a section of citizens who enjoy the Bill of Rights themselves consider a part of the population, also citizens, to be “Less Than”, consider that the law of the land doesn’t apply to them. (And I’ve been through this cycle twice before. I am ‘that’ old. Heh.)

    Whatever Moral imperatives one takes from their religion, whatever that religion may be – they do not trump the Ethical question of Human Rights for all Humans, or over ride the Constitution – and neither have they any business interfering with our Nation’s Laws. We don’t have a State Religion. This is a “government of laws, not of men.”(attr John Adams)  And so far, that has been the final verdict of History. Every time the idea has been attached to the civil rights of others – that some were “Less Than”, the nation ultimately had to live up to its principles. It takes time, but it happens.
    IMO, Carrie simply stated those principles in very human terms…and she didn’t put a price tag on them.

    “And I believe that it will be thanks in large part to those evil folks in the entertainment industry who brainwash our children with all their
    devilish liberal ideas. “

    Heh. Yes, and maybe also to the US History and Civics teachers and professors, the Constitutional scholars, or any of the citizens who have nurtured the “devilish” idea of Human Rights for everyone over the years, often at great cost to themselves.

    JMNSHO.

  • Anonymous

    Hot button issue of the year, isn’t it? Doesn’t every celebrity get asked this question at some point (unless a publicist gets in the way to make sure it isn’t asked or prevents them from answering)? And isn’t it the politically correct thing to say you’re for marriage equality? And don’t the religious extremists flip out and raise a stink about it? Unless you’re Manny Pacquiao and say you’re against it. Then the religious extremists applaud you and the media treats you like a demon. I don’t expect a Dixie Chicks-style backlash here. In that situation there was a villian (Saddam Hussein) and a hero (George W. Bush) and it was just the wrong time and place to criticize the President. This is just another celebrity answering the same question the same way that many other celebrities have already done. And like those other celebrities, I expect this will blow over and be forgotten about in a few days.

  • http://twitter.com/nancy2heart nancy

    mickeyborden2 – I’m not a Jew, but I totally understand what you’re saying!  I certainly believe that the WHOLE Bible is written by God and most certainly DOES apply to Christians (including me)!  Believe me, there are a HUGE amount of Christians who believe the same as I do.  The entire Bible is called “God’s Word” for a reason!

  • Anonymous

    Way to be PC Carrie!

    “As a married person myself, I don’t know what it’s like to be told I
    can’t marry somebody I love, and want to marry. I can’t imagine how that
    must feel. I definitely think we should all have the right to love, and
    love publicly, the people that we want to love.”

    I should also be able to marry my dog cause I LOVE him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002166668687 Ali Goria

    She said “the PEOPLE that we want to love”. That would disallow dogs, who also lack thumbs to sign the required paperwork :)

  • Anonymous

    Oh okay then on that note, then I should be allowed to marry a kid half my age cause I LOVE him. Got it.

  • Anonymous

    If the kid you love is of the age of consent and doesn’t puke at the sight of you, you’ve got my blessings!

  • Anonymous

    Well, if that “kid” is of legal age, yes, you are, whether other people approve or not.

    Consenting adults can enter into contracts.  Children, animals, and inanimate objects can’t.  I’m pretty sure each state bar makes that very clear to attorneys sitting the exam. Heh.

  • Incipit

    “I should be allowed to marry a kid half my age”

    Bwahahaha!! I guess that depends on what your age ‘is’ – and what state you’re in – do your research carefully? Every state has their own minimums…but no maximums. Fun, isn’t it? I guess they figure past the age of informed consent – it’s legal.

    If you are 40 and they are 20 – sure you can. There are 50 yr old men (and older) who marry 25 yr old young women, it’s not illegal. Maybe you can find a state where 32/16 is legal too? Or even lower. If it’s two humans entering into a legal contract, that is. You can ignore anyone making judgments on the morality of it – just have to check that pesky Age of Consent. Heh.

  • Anonymous

    If it does blow over and is forgotten about, then that’s sad. Marriage Equality is a real issue and people like myself are hurt by those bigoted, narrow minded people who want to limit my rights.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002166668687 Ali Goria

    You can marry a kid half your age if you love him. As long as he is of legal age to enter into a contract. 

  • Anonymous

    I admire your post. And I’m putting myself out there, but I think FW was just pointing out those scriptures.  I don’t know.  I’m probably wrong.  But I liked your post.

  • revcat

    Was the person who posted “devilish liberal ideas” serious? Not that it matters to me, but I thought it was snark as it didn’t fit with the rest of the post. Or did my last brain cell die, that is also a possibility.

  • Anonymous

    Based on pure anatomy homesexual sex is unnatural. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002166668687 Ali Goria

    I don’t think it’s blowing over. There’s an article in Toronto where two hetero hockey players are starting some type of movement to help gay hockey players be more comfortable coming out. In Canada of all places, where we in the US are always told tolerance isn’t a problem. As long as LGBT people need gay pride parades around the world, things are not equal…yet. So this is great, IMO, a Carrie Underwood, hockey players and even Fat Joe who gave a rocking funny cool interview supporting gay music artists (hip hop) and NBA NFL etc

    NSFW audio youtube Fat Joe and Toronto Sun article:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8lQIFUyDbo http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/13/jets-duo-join-anti-homophobia-campaign

  • Anonymous

    MayaMayers, are you really comparing two committed adults entering into a same sex union to marriage with an animal? No wonder the world is so fucked up.

  • Anonymous

    I personally don’t care what Carrie believes on this issue. I will continue to support her music and be a fan. However, I am wondering why NOW after nearly 8 years of never speaking up on issues publicly, why she suddenly decided to do so.

  • Incipit

    No, revcat – your brain cells are intact. I’ll clarify my post. It was definitely humor – but there was a grain of truth in there too, about how anything that humanizes ‘the other’ can be regarded. IMO. So yeah – *snark*

  • Anonymous

    :(

  • Anonymous

    It’s really quite sad and desperate when the ole “marry your dog”, etc., stuff gets pulled out. I’m always amazed at how quick the supposed “informed” position of basically “I know you are but what am I” rears its head, too. SMH, and hard.;-)

    By the way, there are Christian LGBT. Yep, there certainly are.

    This world always amazes me by it’s concurrent forward motion while backpeddling to beat the devil. <–slightly sarcastic but there ya go

    Good on Carrie for being honest and following her heart.

    /someday this will all seem shockingly backward

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002166668687 Ali Goria

    I think because they asked her point blank. Also I don’t find it odd that perhaps she really never had an opinion or wasn’t comfortable stating it for no reason but now that she’s older and married that it’s hitting home more. Plus I think she mentioned changing churches to a more inclusive one. 

  • Anonymous

    nevermind. I enjoy your posts gg.

  • Anonymous

    “Instead of everyone buying Carrie’s album or radio station’s playing her
    music more,why doesn’t everyone buy a gay artist’s album…”

    To be clear, I did that, too. More than a few times. I’m an equal opportunity purchaser. :-)

  • Anonymous

    Windmills, I am not a “glambert treating this as a contest”. I’m glad that you posted this roundup. What I was trying to bring to light is that gay artists are subject to vitriolic comments from many of these same people, no matter what the story is about. Very often, comments get minimized as just a bunch of Internet loonies and that the impact of those people with those views is of minimal importance. Just pointing out that a comment of support by a highly regarded, very successful artist, results in backlash and potential damage to that artist. The same can be said for the actual gay artist as well. That’s all.

  • Anonymous

    Why? people opinion can evolve according to the experiences with friends , family or personal ones , just happen very often let me say ;).   I’m sure many people out there Christians or not are in the same position : ”thinking about it” , specially now when some people think they have the right to be violent physically or verbally against others because not only their live styles , but because their religious beliefs and  when the lack of respect and kindness behavior  for each other is becoming a rule, just because ’you’re not like me”, with the worse results for the society :/, and this include all the groups in conflict : homosexuals and religious persons just to name some .
    So if Carrie life experiences with her friends took her to change her thoughts about this important issue  and she is just now ready to express a personal position about , is totally valid and fine and right for me, i respect her process and personal opinion.
    So some gonna still hating religion or gays, some gonna accept and respect the human law , some gonna fight for the human rights , some gonna just still believing on their religions and/or God without necessary be full of hate …. just my opinion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ashetalia-Staatz/100001792695528 Ashetalia Staatz

    If by “unnatural” you mean any sex act which can not lead to procreation, then all forms of oral sex are also unnatural, as is sex between older people, infertile people, etc. European laws against sodomy traditionally included injunctions against other “unnatural” acts, like oral sex.

  • Anonymous

    I won’t be buying her music either, and that’s all I have to say on this subject.

  • Moria Polonius

    Based on pure anatomy, flying in an airplane is unnatural.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Fuzzywuzzy, reading with interest, and *chuckling*. The first
    time I saw that open letter on the internet may have been as early as
    2003 – not sure – but it still has no answer now – as it did not then.”

    I have not seen anyone answer the challenge of those questions either. I suspect that it’s because no one has a reasonable, credible response. That letter simply points out that Bible literalists using the argument that one must follow what is written in the Bible as “God’s word” isn’t valid unless one follows everything, rather than selectively deciding which Scripture conveniently supports one’s own biases.

    “I think, except for the genuine whack jobs, no one who quotes
    Leviticus really wants to look very closely at what they are advocating -
    it just serves as handy rhetoric. And that’s a shame, because looking
    would be useful….for the % of people who are using those words as an
    argument. Either they are advocating death, or they are not; if they are
    – hate speech is actionable in many jurisdictions.”

    Yes, I agree, although Carrie’s comments have certainly brought out the nutjobs in force on this issue. I’ve noticed, however, that relatively speaking, there are very few people who are using the “religion card” to defend their opposition to gay marriage, but they are persistent and highly vocal in repeating their objections and quoting of Leviticus.

    “But ultimately, religion is not even the real argument. IMO. I have been
    saddened over the years to see that a section of citizens who enjoy the
    Bill of Rights themselves consider a part of the population, also
    citizens, to be “Less Than”, consider that the law of the land doesn’t
    apply to them. (And I’ve been through this cycle twice before. I am ‘that’ old. Heh.)”

    This is what I think is the underlying belief fueling the denial of rights to other “groups”. Sadly, it is a mindset that will always be part of the human condition.

  • Anonymous

    “I don’t think it’s blowing over. There’s an article in Toronto where two
    hetero hockey players are starting some type of movement to help gay
    hockey players be more comfortable coming out.”

    Unfortunately, here we’re still in the era where we have to help black hockey players come out. When I think of all the crap Joel Ward has had thrown at him this season. Yeesh. What a world, what a world.

  • Anonymous

    That letter is terrific.

  • Anonymous

    When I was growing up, mainstream Christianity was about love and acceptance, not condemnation.  Like one political party the name has been coopted by a conservative faction.  There are any number of people, Chrstians, who see the Bible as metaphor, not literal truth, but we never hear about them.  I have tried reading the Bible.  It gave me terrible nightmares.  To me it is an application of social structure, using the once prevailing morals and mores; if god were like the Bible we would condemn him.  The term “Christian” applies to tolerant Christians like Carrie every bit as much as it does to evangelicals and fundamentalists.

  • windmills

    I guess the Christian Broadcasting Network ran a segment on this with a pastor for a Franklin TN church. I’ll be honest and say I didn’t watch it but here is the segment via The Advocate.

    Meanwhile, GLAAD has launched a #supportcarrie hashtag campaign on Twitter. 

  • itsalleternal

    I’m in agreement with those saying that this isn’t a big issue with her career. Most of the people slamming her are much older than she is or most of her fans are, and were never big fans of Carrie to begin with. Yes, she may lose some fans that were devout Christians, but that would be countered by new fans (and then some?).

    I have been looking at most of those posting hate messages of her on Facebook and Twitter. I have noticed that the average age of them is nearly twice Carrie’s age (guessing between 50 and 65). Opposition to same-sex marriage (and voting rates) increase with age, and remains very high over age 50 (and extremely high over age 65 – guessing only about 20% over that age support it). A recent poll I found showed that young people (under 35) in Alabama are more supportive than seniors in Massachusetts.

    All in all, it shouldn’t have much impact on her own fan base.

  • Anthony z

    Carrie Underwood is right in giving advice as they are too
    young to get engaged! But I think they make a cute couple together! I have just
    purchased Carrie
    Underwood tickets
    from GoodSeatTickets
    at a very reasonable price!