American Idol 12 auditions in Chicago have begun. The producers round is today and tomorrow at the McCormick Center. I’m hearing that Schyler Dixon (Colton’s sister) Shelby Tweten (AI 11 teen with bipolar disorder), Richie Law (Heejun’s BFF!)  and Johnny Keyser (AI11 singer, many felt was robbed)  all sang for the producers today. No word on if they made it through to the judges round.

The hopefuls who advance today and tomorrow will sing for the celebrity judges–Mariah Carey, Nicki Minaj, Keith Urban and Randy Jackson on Tuesday and Wednesday at the Adler Planetarium.

Stay tuned for updates as I get them!

 
  • wingzdoc

    Is S12 going to be redemption season? People give The Voice flack for auditioning previous Idol hopefuls but Idol might spin that this season too?

  • fantoo1

    This won’t be the first season. Practically every season has repeats. I think Schyler is a lock for the top 24 this year. I think she is a better singer than Colton. Maybe she could be the girl winner they are looking for?

  • Mateja Praznik

    Every season has a repeat or two, but season 11 seamed like the season of season 10 rejects because there were so many of them.

  • TheOther

    Season 11 had Josh, Hollie, Deandre, Colton.  Erika said she auditioned 8 times?  I also think Schyler Dixon is a lock for the top 24 this year.  When asked whether his sister auditioned for Season 12, Colton said he couldn’t talk about that.

  • http://twitter.com/newbornstarr Wally.

     I want fresh new blood. None of the returnees are interesting me. Also, someone said on idolforums they saw a comment where semifinals were allowed to audition again on YouTube. Then again, it’s YouTube.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/K7N3LXDYJGK4CCSY5364HLDRGY Damo

    Richie Law, aka “Cowboy”, is back to drive the rest of the contestants nuts again.  I wonder if he is still as arrogant as he was last season.

    To bad Heejun will not be around during Hollywood Week to make some more humorous remarks.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Does Johnny Keyser play guitar?

  • fantoo1

    Who cares? The guitar has nothing to do with the wins of some of them(Scotty would have won without the guitar especially since he only played a few times).

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Ok. I was just asking. lol

  • Larc

    This is nothing new for Idol.  People often audition for more than one season.  Colton and Deandre both made it as far as the Green Mile in S10.  Somebody who fails to make it to the semi-finals one year may make it another without having improved one iota.  A lot depends on Idols ideas for “casting” each season.  Talent isn’t always the primary consideration.  A good back story or other immaterial factor can sometimes trump it.

  • fantoo1

    Also not every WGWG automatically makes it that far. Michael Johns, Jason Castro, Scott MacIntyre, Tim Urban, Casey James, Paul McDonald, Casey Abrams, and James Durbin were all outlasted by a non-WGWG.

  • lovesickheroine

     I actually I wouldn’t be surprised if Schyler gets in to top 12 but I think she’ll get less screen time during auditions and hollywood week just like what happened to Hollie and DeAndre

  • Anny_nanny

    Wish good luck Richie on the group round, of course.

  • wkstrack

    Even if Johnny made it onto the show..he wouldn’t be seen as a “humble/nice guy”  that fits into the WGWG persona. And yes, good luck to Richie if he makes it lol You know, maybe casting guys like Johnny and Richie would be good for Idol. They’re both unlikable Constantine/James Durbin types.

  • Larc

    I’m rather hoping Johnny Keyser makes it through this time.  I thought he was clearly better last season than some who did make it (including the winner, IMHO).

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    While hopefuls normally do audition multiple times and that is completely normal for Idol, S11 was a first I think in the fact that three people who made it to top 40 in S10 not only made it through to the top 24 in S11, but the top 10.  Personally I saw that as a good thing though as opposed to casting rejects or whatever else you want to call it.  Even if it was the producers making the calls, I liked the idea that the judges were actually following through and putting through folks with obvious talent that just weren’t quite ready the first time around.  To me it made their rejections and platitudes that they spout when folks get cut a little less hollow.

    That said, even with the same producers on board, I think those that are hoping for the same fate as Colton, Dre & Hollie might have it a little harder with the majority of the judging table being different.  Yes, the producers largely influence who gets put through, but I think it was easier for last year’s returnees to stand up in front of the same exact judges and kind of know where they stand.  At the very least they already knew the judges liked their voices. But just because Jennifer & Steven liked you doesn’t mean Mariah, Nikki & Keith will have any use for you.

  • ptebwwong

    If Johnny makes the top 12, he will probably not be the nice guy. But he probably wouldn’t have been portrayed this season as the mean guy. There’s very few contestants in history that made it to the top 12 that were portrayed as being mean.

    Also, who’s to say the majority of viewers this year will remember Johnny and his bad personality from this year? For all we know, he made it to the top 12 & producers edit him as the nice kid. Or maybe they decide to not show him at all? It’s also possible with the new judges there will be a different viewership and new audience that might not have watched S11.

  • TheOther

    who’s to say the majority of viewers this year will remember Johnny and his bad personality from this year?

    But it will rear its ugly head.  Nothing in the AI bubble, ever stays in the closet. 

    At the other end, another name that keeps popping up from last season is Candice Glover.  Then there’s David Leathers.

  • jlscott13

    My prediction: Another WGWG will win S12. Just saying.

  • SullyD

    That would be unfortunate, lol.

  • elliegrll

    Jimmy Iovine said that that rule should be changed.  I thought that when he said it, he probably already knew that it was going to happen.

  • Larc

    I really can’t remember anything Johnny did that was questionable except keep singing when the girl fainted or whatever.  But as somebody who is very far from being the golden standard of always doing precisely the correct thing on every occasion when I’m under pressure, that isn’t something I’m comfortable criticizing him for.

  • ptebwwong

    It probably won’t stay in the closet. But there instances over the years that have been kept secret at least during the show. For example, it wasn’t revealed until a Idol interview after the season was over that Simon criticized a Hollywood group w/Lee, Crystal, & Aaron Kelly that they won’t get far in the competition. Obviously, that was never shown. 

    I always thought the producers can edit however they want. If they know Johnny is a frontrunner, I don’t think they would ever give him a edit that can harm his chances. Contestants they think are frontrunners are usually never given bad edits.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

     James was unlikeable? I sure never got that.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Yes, Candace should make it. Plus I thought Jairon Jackson and Neco Star should have made it through last year.

    And if they want to form a trio with Heejun, I’d be all for it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0LyihwqAFI

  • ptebwwong

    Let me clarify. I don’t think Johnny is mean. Yes, he did keep singing when that girl was fainting. It could have been a momentary lapse in judgment.

    Besides the fainting thing, during the group rounds he was portrayed as a confident (some might say cocky) guy who decided to hang out by the pool with the women & not work with his group. 

    I wouldn’t consider the things he did mean, but it’s not your typical hard-working humble/nice contestant. To Idol viewers, he’s been portrayed as a different persona than the norm and perhaps even a cocky contestant.

    I didn’t like him, but it wasn’t because of his personality. I didn’t like his voice.

  • blackberryharvest

     I think he also made a comment in the hot tub during Vegas that came across as cocky.

  • dabney c

    Yes to Candice Glover! I was shocked when they let her go after that group performance. Fingers crossed she gets in this year.

    David Leathers was adorable. I’ll never forget Eben Franckewitz doing the victory “yesss” behind David, as he suffered in silence over his rejection. LOL, Idol does ‘cruel’ so well. :D

  • blackberryharvest

     Bold prediction, lol ;)

    From MJ’s spoilers, they didn’t let through any WGWG during the judges rounds in New York on day 2. So maybe they are trying to change things.

  • 10DogMom

    He had the one bad edit when the group Deandre was in sang the Queen song.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    Also not every WGWG automatically makes it that far. Michael Johns, Jason Castro, Scott MacIntyre, Tim Urban, Casey James, Paul McDonald, Casey Abrams, and James Durbin were all outlasted by a non-WGWG.

     Yes, but a WGWG won during their seasons! David Cook was the original WGWG.  ;) 

  • jlscott13

    Well, it depends if Johnny Keyser can play guitar or not haha.

    I made the prediction last year and I was right. I don’t see things changing for the show ever.

  • dabney c

    I’m still not convinced the judges have any say at all about who gets in and who doesn’t. Pretty sure all that’s been determined by the time these kids see the on-air judges.

    The thing about repeat talent coming through the Idol doors: after 12 seasons of this show, America has to run out of new adutioners at some point. You figure that out of the American talent pool, there are those singers/musicians who will never ever stoop to do Idol, so they won’t be showing up. Then there are the over-28s and Under 15s who go to XFactor or The Voice. So, the only new faces we see on Idol in any significant numbers are the 15/16 year olds who have waited their whole life to audition. The rest have to be repeat-auditioners who keep chasing the dream while they fit the age criteria.

  • blackberryharvest

     

    I don’t see things changing for the show ever.

    All they have to do is not put any good ones to the voting rounds and NOT pimp them. Phillip was pimped by both the editing team and judges. Jessica and Joshua weren’t even featured until later.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Ok again. I didn’t say every WGWG can’t be outlasted by a non-WGWG.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I did some research right now and the answer is no. He can’t play the guitar. But he’s pretending he can. Maybe it’s enough. lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6CKrT_CiTY

  • blackberryharvest

     

    The thing about repeat talent coming through the Idol doors: after 12
    seasons of this show, America has to run out of new adutioners at some
    point. You figure that out of the American talent pool, there are those
    singers/musicians who will never ever stoop to do Idol, so they won’t be
    showing up. Then there are the over-28s and Under 15s who go to XFactor
    or The Voice. So, the only new faces we see on Idol in any significant
    numbers are the 15/16 year olds who have waited their whole life to
    audition.

    Not completely true, we have people who never considered auditioning in the past, but something comes up in their lives or they randomly decide “why not?” and they decide to go with it-Crystal Bowersox, Paul McDonald, Elise Testone, for example.

  • dabney c

     

    Not completely true, we have people who never considered auditioning in
    the past, but something comes up in their lives or they randomly decide
    “why not?” and they decide to go with it-Crystal Bowersox, Paul
    McDonald, Elise Testone, for example.

    Good point. Still, I think that’s rare because if you’re the type to want to try out for Idol, you will have done it by now. Of course, I could completely be talking out of my arse.  ;)

  • julesb2183

    I hope Schyler and Shelby make it! :) (don’t like Richie or Johnny though, sorry, they just rubbed me the wrong way).

  • julesb2183

     Yes, if Richie is back, Heejun needs to make a triumphant return. LOL :p

  • julesb2183

    Not necessarily true – Ruban Studdard and David Cook auditioned on a whim just because they went to watch their siblings. Melinda Dolittle auditioned to get in the door because her friends wanted to watch all the funny people. Taylor Hicks auditioned because of Hurricane Katrina. He got a free airplane ticked, and he chose Las Vegas and Idol just happened to hold auditions at that time. There are talented people who just happen to end up auditioning, not to mention when they go to a city they haven’t already gone to, they’ll most likely get a new crop of kids.

  • Karen C

    But there is something other than just being WGWG then.  Otherwise they would all finish at the top and they don’t.

  • girlygirltoo

    Same with Kris Allen. It was his brother who wanted to audition and talked Kris into going with him and trying out.

  • girlygirltoo

    Was Johnny Keyser on S10 and S11? I didn’t like him — he came off as entirely too cocky and really wasn’t all that good of a singer. But maybe he has improved.

  • girlygirltoo

    Scott MacIntyre wasn’t a WGWG — he played piano. James Durbin doesn’t even play guitar in his band — he wasn’t a WGWG. And Casey Abrams played many instruments, but again, not really a WGWG.

  • Karen C

    Not completely true, we have people who never considered auditioning in the past, but something comes up in their lives or they randomly decide “why not?” and they decide to go with it-Crystal Bowersox, Paul McDonald, Elise Testone, for example

    The something that comes up may also be that they see contestants that are doing their type of music winning or being successful on the show.  I have read that David Cook did finally decide to audition because of Daughtry, Adam Lambert auditioned because he saw what David Cook did on the show.  And the others you mentioned probably auditioned because they saw that the indie rock singers were doing well on the show where they hadn’t been before.

    Also, sometimes if someone waits until they are older, it’s because it’s their last chance to both audition and probably to stay in music.  

  • blackberryharvest

    Phillip said he auditioned because of Casey Abrams. And who knows, maybe Jessica inspired more Filipinos to audition this year.

  • julesb2183

    I wonder what TPTB will do with Schyler. They will either think having the sibling of a former Top 10 will help or hurt. I didn’t think she would audition because she would be riding on Colton’s coattails. 

  • julesb2183

     The judges to have some say in who makes it. I hear that the judges and TPTB battle it out and come to a decision with a majority ruling. Also, there is the extensive backround checks that also determine if someone is qualified to move on.

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    It doesn’t always mean you get through though.  Storyline is a little different but Michael Castro auditioned in S8, on the heels of Jason’s season, and they made much hoopla over Michael’s audition.  They even had Jason there kissing Paula and being interviewed by Ryan and etc.  Then Michael was cut fairly quietly during Hollywood week. Which was also funny because I remember them being some backlash at the time about how it wouldn’t be fair if Michael made it through because he had the advantage of picking up a lot of Jason’s fanbase.

    On another note, the only returnee I really care about is Candice Glover. Schyler doesn’t do much for me one way or another.

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    All they have to do is not put any good ones to the voting rounds and
    NOT pimp them. Phillip was pimped by both the editing team and judges.

    Kris did manage to win without being one of the Chosen Ones but his case was really a perfect storm that’s not likely to be duplicated.

    Lee got favorable judging/edits, but Crystal was pretty polarizing for a female on Idol. Fantasia managed to win but it was the pre-WGWG era and TPTB made it clear she was The One, and also the deck stacked up more favorably for her in S3 than it did for Crystal in S9. OTOH, I don’t think anti-votes were a huge factor in the S9 finale. There was a lot of apathy that year and if vote totals were down 40% then people probably didn’t care enough to “vote against” someone in the finale. So perhaps if the whole Sad Tale of the Paint Salesman had never happened, Crystal might have been able to squeak out the victory.

    Scotty wasn’t as pimped as Lauren and James, but he was shown being apologetic after not standing up for a member of his group during Hollywood Week. Who knows, if they hadn’t shown the footage proving Scotty was sorry for his earlier inaction, maybe he would have been seen as a villain or less of a nice guy. Also, the judges never called him out on sounding the same (that was the “stay in your lane” year but they always could have abandoned that to go in on him) or holding his mic funny. If he’d been pushed he might have cracked under the pressure. OTOH, criticism might not have had any negative impact on his performances or vote totals.

    I say they need to wipe the slate clean for S12 and make a clear statement that there will be a different type of winner in 2013: no WGWGs in the Top 24. You can’t take a chance on an “ugly” one (Idol fangirls can have…interesting ideas about sex symbols) or one who supposedly doesn’t sing well, because the fans might have different ideas. Maybe that’s not fair to all the fresh WGWGs trying out this year, but too bad.

  • wordnerdarchie

    After making it past the producers, David Cook talked about dropping out if his brother wasn’t ok with him going on with Idol.  I don’t think DC was really that interested, but once committed he gave it his all.  I also think his brother was very helpful in strategy & getting the public’s feedback each week,  since Andrew was a fan of the show.

    ETA: I don’t think Daughtry had anything to do with his decision, other than as research material before his audition… he watched CDs audition to get an edge.

    Anyone who’s been through the audition before, or has a very invested family member or friend who can help with feedback, will give that auditioner a little more of an edge in preparation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/huba.buba.545 Huba Buba

    I loved Candice Glover, hopefully she comes back and actually make it to the live rounds this time around, i never really understood why they cut her.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I must have missed that.

  • blackberryharvest

    Kris did manage to win without being one of the Chosen Ones but his
    case was really a perfect storm that’s not likely to be duplicated.

    I agree, I think he made the most improvement and was the underdog to the highly pimped Adam.

    Scotty wasn’t as pimped as Lauren and James, but he was shown being
    apologetic after not standing up for a member of his group during
    Hollywood Week. Who knows, if they hadn’t shown the footage proving
    Scotty was sorry for his earlier inaction, maybe he would have been seen
    as a villain or less of a nice guy. Also, the judges never called him
    out on sounding the same (that was the “stay in your lane” year but they
    always could have abandoned that to go in on him) or holding his mic
    funny. If he’d been pushed he might have cracked under the pressure.
    OTOH, criticism might not have had any negative impact on his
    performances or vote totals.

    I don’t even lump Scotty with the other 4 TBH, he was actually something new and different as far as winners go and most of the casual audience knows he could not be more different than say, Lee or Cook. They also all criticized him top 7 week and he came back and improved. People tend to forget other contestants besides Haley had their share of criticism too, LOL.

  • Karen C

    I don’t think Daughtry had anything to do with his decision, other than as research material before his audition… he watched CDs audition to get an edge.

    I think it might have in the sense that he knew he could do rock on the show, where he might not have before. 

  • Factchecker

    not true considering she was the one that pushed HIM to audition the first time and she was the one who auditioned last year. TPTB had other plans.  She’s trying to follow her own Idol dream.

  • http://twitter.com/hanzfei huanzf

    My friends call me “mister steal your Girl”

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    Originally, I had an “if you consider Scotty a WGWG” line in there but it got erased at some point. He technically fits the definition, but in a lot of ways he was a very different winner for the show (teen male and country). As others have pointed out, he probably would’ve won even without the guitar, but he did play and when people do the photo montages of all the brown-haired plaid-wearing Idol winners together, he does fit right in. He doesn’t exactly help counteract the “image problem” the show has, that only a certain kind of contestant can win anymore. 

    They also all criticized him top 7 week and he came back and improved.
    People tend to forget other contestants besides Haley had their share of
    criticism too, LOL.

    Even Chosen Ones get criticized occasionally (except maybe Ruben). I was more thinking of how Scotty might have gone over if Simon had still been there, fully engaged…I think Simon either would have haaaated Scotty and gone after him regularly, or else very quickly picked up on his popularity and called him as the winner super early.

  • Karen C

    Originally, I had an “if you consider Scotty a WGWG” line in there but it got erased at some point. He technically fits the definition, but in a lot of ways he was a very different winner for the show (teen male and country).

    I think there’s more differences than that, mainly he’s not a songwriter, and I don’t believe he did any of his own arrangements on the show.  And he only played guitar maybe a couple of times.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I don’t see Scotty as a WGWG at all. But while he’s not a songwriter – or wasn’t at this time last year, anyway – I’d bet a fair amount that he had a good deal of input in his arrangements.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sim-Ai-Khaw/100002537599337 Sim Ai Khaw

    If donot want WGWG to win AI 12 dont put thru the WGWG to top24 Dont let the whole world look down on AI again

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    But there is something other than just being WGWG then.  Otherwise they would all finish at the top and they don’t.

    Well, there are a few of us out there who have actually preferred some of the female contestants, or some of the male contestants who are not white, or some of the male contestants who do not strum a guitar when they perform.  We managed to get a few votes in. ;)  Still, no one can deny that the last 5 winners are white males, all of whom used a guitar at some point. To which I say OH WELL! Obviously, they are the type of artists the American Idol audience prefers.  I don’t know how TPTB are going to stop it. But, there’s no point in denying that the bias exists.  The cute, “humble,” white guy who holds a guitar will be the odds-on favorite from here on out, no matter how much better his competition, unless they are banned forever from the auditions. And how silly would that be? 

  • kcostell

    Most seasons have people coming back and reauditioning after failing to make it through previous years.  But have any of the returnees won, or even made the final?  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    It’s the “most qualified” WGWG, meaning the one that voters pick as their “ideal” winner out of that category.

  • p2fan

    i do hope PP’s sister Lacey auditioned.  I love her voice.

  • julesb2183

     I am sure that she is – I was just saying that having the sibling of a popular contestant might be something they would have to deal with, but I am sure that it would be alright for her to be on :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    He’s holding the guitar and strumming it…it counts.

  • mileyfan123

    I really feel like it wouldn’t be that hard to just not cast guys who are close to being wgwg. I think they got really close this season, if they only had not cast Phillip in the first place and cast Jermaine instead as the 12th guy I think they would have had a non white guy winner. If that does happen, I will also have no tolerance for people who are wgwg fans complaining about the lack of them. Last season had no black females, we have had many years without rocker girls, or country guys, or pop guys, or whatever. White guys with guitars shouldn’t be a special exception that get cast every year.

    Anyways, if they do in fact change the rule that would let semifinalists try out again, who would you like to see back? I personally would only like to see contestants from the seasons where people got one shot, instead of the 4 week format, so seasons 1-3 (although probably no one from those semifinals) 8, 10, and 11.I would like to see Mishavonna Henson, Rachel Zevita, Lauren Turner, Hallie Day, and Chelsea Sorrell back. I think all those women were screwed. 

  • dabney c

    My friends call me “mister steal your Girl”

    Huh? Wha? What does this mean, and why is it a response to me? [/clueless]

    Just googled it. It’s about David Leathers:

    “He’s 17, looks like he’s 12, and sings like a pro. American Idol 2012 contestant David Leathers, Jr. stole the show like he steals hearts — his friends call him “Mr. Steal Your Girl.” “

    LOL, David – that you?

  • Anny_nanny

    I’m sorry, Scott MacIntyre tried to play on the guitar. And he came out of the show. LOL I am convinced, Scott was the best guitarists than Scotty.
    http://youtu.be/J8QtwwyoCSU

  • littleapple

    Johnny Keyser should audition for The X Factor. This show seems to like “villain” contestants.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Yes to Candice Glover! I was shocked when they let her go after that group performance. Fingers crossed she gets in this year.

    Candice has quite a following on Twitter, and we might see a change in her appearance.  The night she was eliminated, Nigel was quite upset and said he didn’t agree with the judges.  On Twitter, he invited Candice to audition again.  So, I won’t be surprised if she makes TOP 12.

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    I really feel like it wouldn’t be that hard to just not cast guys who are close to being wgwg. I think they got really close this season, if they only had not cast Phillip in the first place and cast Jermaine instead as the 12th guy I think they would have had a non white guy winner. If that does happen, I will also have no tolerance for people who are wgwg fans complaining about the lack of them. Last season had no black females, we have had many years without rocker girls, or country guys, or pop guys, or whatever. White guys with guitars shouldn’t be a special exception that get cast every year.

    I agree. The WGWGs have had five years in a row to shine. Time to have a seat and let someone else get a turn. But are TPTB going to look at it that way? They can say they don’t care who wins, but the last two winners have been WGWGs and they have been the biggest successes of their seasons. That’s probably an incentive for TPTB keep casting them. OTOH, it seems FOX has done a lot to change Idol’s image and part of that has to be getting a different end result.

  • merkureye

    The female contestants you named as people you wanted see back on AI are disqualified from ever auditioning again.  Once a contestant goes on the live shows and sings for viewers votes, you are banned from auditioning again.  That is why it is better to get cut before T24 (if you can’t make it to T10).  This is also why it was good that Hollie, Josh, and Colton were cut last year.  They came back for S11 and made the tour.

    I think this is why David Leathers was cut by the judges.  It seemed so tragic and unfair at the time (Eben went through) but this allowed Leathers to come back and audition again after a little more seasoning and maturity, Eben lasted one live show and can never audition for AI again. 

  • mileyfan123

     There was some discussion of the rules changing this year that would allow people to come back who hadn’t made it out of the semifinals. It may only be rumors but that is why I listed them.

  • merkureye

    Yeah I heard that Jimmy said that the rule should be changed but it won’t be.  Let’s face it, the voters, for whatever reason didn’t connect with the contestant.  The voters have spoken.  There are too many talented singers in America to start recycling former contestants.  I can’t imagine anything more stale than for T24′s to start re-appearing.  If it has come to that just shut the whole thing down. 

    Not making AI doesn’t mean hopefuls’ dreams have died.  Lady Antebellum’s Hillary Scott was rejected I believe 3 times by AI.  Just keep on truckin’ and follow your dreams. 

    ETA: I agree that all of the female contestants you mentioned were kinda screwed (don’t remember the first lady though so I can’t comment).

  • whoisthatwoman

    Just a thought…if WGWG are what the majority of the AI community wants, why would TPTB choose to ignore them?

  • Mateja Praznik

     Because 5 winners of the same type in a row is more than enough?

  • Incipit

    if WGWG are what the majority of the AI community wants, why would TPTB choose to ignore them?

    Good question, whoisthatwoman. Why would they? Five winners from the same genre would only concern TPTB if it affected their income. They don’t make their Bank from the winners after the show – they sell ad space based on people tuning in during  the show. The drop in viewership across all Network TV shows and how it affects ad rates is more likely to be the issue that needs addressing.

    But they also set up this voting system..and everyone who watches doesn’t necessarily vote.  IF the majority of the voting is for a particular genre – that doesn’t mean the majority of the viewers want them – but the majority of the voters. And it doesn’t even mean that – some people vote a few times, some people vote more, some people vote for two hours. Can they really know what the majority for the viewers is, based on the voting? Do they even care? I don’t think they do, or not all that much.

     Outside of bragging rights when selling ad space, how else does the voting affect the advertising revenue? Of course they wouldn’t like to see the voting totals drop – bad PR for the show – but would the viewing numbers drop in the same percentile? We see the viewer totals drop, but the voting totals aren’t as closely reported, til the Finale.

    Which opens up a lot more questions. If there are no contestants from the genre that has been getting the most votes – do TPTB have data that leads them to believe the people who like that genre will still even watch the show? Maybe vote for their second favorite genre? Or not watch at all? They have other choices now. How much would that mess with the Ad rates?

    If they are hoping to refresh the viewing pool, and keep them – it will take more than different judges, it will also need different contestants, themes, and song catalog – and a willingness to possibly lose the viewers who may no longer have anyone in their preferred genre to watch OR vote for…so, no reason to stay. What’s the tipping point on that demographic – and will the theorized new demographic have different watching/voting patterns?

    I have my own theories about why the Five in a Row – more like a WAG than a theory, really…but from the edits and judging we have seen in the past three seasons, TPTB were doing nothing to discourage the viewers from attaching to those eventual winners – and they could have. Actually, they did quite the opposite. 

    Their actions haven’t convinced me that they care who wins, just who watches, and how many. That’s their Bottom Line. The new panel is a gamble, IMO. A form of secondary insurance for viewer interest. It’s gonna come down to whether the viewers like the cast and the music enough to stick around, as it always has. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

    JMO. Of Course.

  • zjzr

    There is a thing called “better of the WGWG” though. Michael (did he play guitar?) & Jason vs. David C.; Scott (who is more of the “piano man”, and I didn’t even know if he played the guitar or it was just a prop on “The Search is Over”) vs. Kris; Tim (who REALLY made it far IMO than he should have) vs. the plethora of instrumentalists of S9 (Casey was bussed later on so Lee was the main WGWG of the season); Paul (I guess he is the WGWG of the season, he is just too indie), Casey (same as Paul but more jazzy), James (who is the “rocker guy”) vs. Scotty (I would agree that still might win without the guitar, but the persona is still there, and the fact that he still played the guitar especially during the final weeks shows that the minimum requirement for winning is at least you play an instrument, or you’re doomed and be pointed as “karaoke” or “unoriginal”); Colton (who I really believe could’ve won if Phillip was eliminated, then again he didn’t play guitar) vs. Phillip.

    I think Kris winning was a “perfect storm” as one poster said (effort and relative uniqueness trumped The Chosen Ones). I think you can say that the certainty of the WGWG predictability started S9 (why not non-instrumentalist Siobhan or instrumentalist Crystal). 

    RE: S11 Returnees

    Good that they would try again! I don’t remember Shelby much, but I have a feeling that Schyler would get a Colton-esque treatment (it is like that she has a 3-season arc: both siblings not reaching Top 24, only her not reaching Top 24, possibly reaching Top 24) and might have focus in the pre-live rounds. If she reaches the live rounds, I just have a weird feeling that (if she keeps up with good performances), she would at least get in the tour, and if it is true that her voice (her performance skills would still need to be tested) is better than Colton for most, she would belong to the “good female vocalist artist” support demo, unless some other contestant would have a more heavy emphasis.

  • TheOther

    if they only had not cast Phillip in the first place and cast Jermaine instead as the 12th guy I think they would have had a non white guy winner.

    Then Colton Dixon would have probably won.  Or Reed Grimm, Chase Likens would have been voted into the the Top 12 by the public.  And there would not have been a Home.

    But it’s also very unlikely will they be able to repeat the monster success of Home, so I can see Interscope/Jimmy Iovine trying to move in a different direction and fill a niche that he doesn’t have – possibly the big voice, pop/r&B girl singer – like Candice Glover.

    But whoever wins, has to be able to sell.

  • Karen C

    the fact that he still played the guitar especially during the final weeks shows that the minimum requirement for winning is at least you play an instrument, or you’re doomed and be pointed as “karaoke” or “unoriginal”);

    I don’t think it’s whether they actually have a guitar or not that makes them sound not karaoke or original.  David Cook didn’t play guitar during many of the performances during the show.  Kris didn’t either, and I believe he played piano as often as he did guitar.  Of the non winners that are seen as original, Adam L doesn’t even play instruments, and Daughtry didn’t because instruments weren’t allowed. The thing they all have in common is that they had original performances, and this meant that they had to work with the band to come up with an original arrangement of the song that was well liked by the audience.  This is really what wins the show now, in addition to being in a genre the majority of the current audience likes. 

  • Karen C

    If they are hoping to refresh the viewing pool, and keep them – it will take more than different judges, it will also need different contestants, themes, and song catalog – and a willingness to possibly lose the viewers who may no longer have anyone in their preferred genre to watch OR vote for…so, no reason to stay. What’s the tipping point on that demographic – and will the theorized new demographic have different watching/voting patterns?

    I think what it’s going to take is to have a contestant of a different genre that really emerges as a star, a risk taker, and that really gets through to the media, which will draw in new fans. I don’t believe this has really occured in the past few years.  And I agree that the actions of the producers haven’t shown they want something different anyway. 

    And yes, it would be difficult to gain enough new viewers and especially effect the voting.  Just changing the judges isn’t going to affect the outcome of the show even if it gains new viewers unless they like and vote for the contestants.  Though if it does result in a different type of winner, that’s ok too, because it doesn’t help the previous winners to be lumped together the way they are, even though they are different and have had varying levels of success, which is different for different artists.

  • fantoo1

    But Scotty isn’t the same type as the other 4. People tend to forget that.

  • julesb2183

    I don’t think that they would seriously consider letting former semifinalsts audition again. They had their chance, and if TPTB and producers didn’t like them enough to promote them the first time, why would they now?  I agree a lot of women have been out and out robbed throughout the years, like Mishavonna and Lauren Turner, but I doubt they would want to come back given the chance. They might be a little bitter about Idol not giving them a fair chance. I would be. I mean, they got hardly any screen time, did well enough to get a call back to the wildcard, but didn’t get asked back. 

  • mchcat

    I thought this is what we had this year – all the girls were big voiced hitting the glory notes – the boys were too – the only one different was Phil and I think that is why he won.  Out of 12 he was the only one not screaming

  • fantoo1

    Out of the top 24 boys, Deandre, Jeremy, Chase, Colton, and Eben weren’t big voice “screamers.”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Yeah, but the WGWG pattern just annoy people like us, in the bubble. 

    The vast majority of people watching this show don’t even remember that the last 5 winners were white and played the guitar. Just saying.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I don’t remember Colton hitting or trying to hit any glory high note. Just some bad notes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4JTC7ZSC6SK5SGV5NZMCHB5BHQ Cherry

    IMO many remembered very well and that’s probably the main reason millions of viewers left AI show. They might as well name the show “WGWG” and let all cute guys audition, that would probably more fun to watch…

  • blackberryharvest

    I doubt that. The X Factor this year had a similar ratings decline to Season 11, and a girl won the first season of X Factor. So I think that the theory that the ratings are down due to WGWG is dead.

  • dabney c

    Funny, I didn’t like Phil all season because I thought he screamed too much. His particular brand of scream/growl actually made me uncomfortable much of the time. He’s so much better when he doesn’t do that.

  • wkstrack

    Idk. I think there are casual fans of Idol that now get the WGWG thing. I mean didn’t the Associated Press and other media outlets mention  WGWG in their articles about Idol? Even late night tv caught on to it. I remember Jimmy Kimmel saying something similar to it on his show about Idol.

  • zjzr

    Not saying that it is the guitar only makes original though, and I agree that song arrangement seems to be a key aspect of the past winners (Scotty might be the exception and be genre related as you say), but after 2 years of contestants known for their arrangements seems enough (S9 is kind of own arrangement filled so it seems ordinary) for me, and even contestants that do try changing arrangements (Haley, Casey, Naima, Skylar, etc.) still fail to have a stable run in the show. Many thought that Colton’s arrangement of “Bad Romance” & “September” may have contributed to his ouster and before that he had many different song arrangements already (successfully not landing B3 before) so song arrangement might not be the key to winning. I just feel that there is a certain something on past winners that can’t be overlooked that kind of gives them a “safety net” and a feeling that they would go long if they go in the live rounds that makes the competition quite predictable and gives little hope on viewers that want to watch a different kind of winner to win IMO (runner-ups still have a good break, but the guarantee of winning is still the best, IMO).

  • Karen C

    I agree that song arrangement seems to be a key aspect of the past winners (Scotty might be the exception and be genre related as you say), but after 2 years of contestants known for their arrangements seems enough (S9 is kind of own arrangement filled so it seems ordinary) for me, and even contestants that do try changing arrangements (Haley, Casey, Naima, Skylar, etc.) still fail to have a stable run in the show. Many thought that Colton’s arrangement of “Bad Romance” & “September” may have contributed to his ouster and before that he had many different song arrangements already (successfully not landing B3 before) so song arrangement might not be the key to winning.

    I don’t think it’s just song arrangement either, it’s if the arrangement really shows both who they are as artists, and is something the majority of viewers like. Really, I think of when a song is well liked on the show it becomes a hit in a way, gets higher sales,  and more buzz than the others, and that leads to the contestants getting more votes.

  • Karen C

    I doubt that. The X Factor this year had a similar ratings decline to Season 11, and a girl won the first season of X Factor. So I think that the theory that the ratings are down due to WGWG is dead.

    I think it’s more that Idol isn’t the only show of this type anymore, and also that ratings are down in general for network tv, otherwise Idol wouldn’t be still as high as it was in the ratings, it was still #1 or #2 rated show.

    And if the ratings were down because of WGWG, I would think that one wouldn’t have won, and be doing so well afterwards.

  • zjzr

    Which I think Skylar IMO shown during “Born This Way” (who knew country would be mixed in the song) or Haley with “You & I”? Admittedly those two songs made the singers safe when they sang them, but what about “RITD” of Haley, I meant it sound like a song she would sing and is a different arrangement than the usual, but they still have difficulty breaking to win. 
    Skylar is one example of a contestant who knows who she is as an artist, shows originality by changing non-country songs to countrify it (I think she did more noticeable song changes than Phillip IMO) and also singing country songs, but is still falls to the B3, until she was eliminated 5th. The closest to Philip is Elise, though I admit that some of her arrangements do not come out successfully, is as original as Phillip (and is quite more vocally proficient than him). 

    One example though of a bad live song performance IMO that still managed to sell is “Time of the Season” that after Phillip won still has more iTunes sales than some of Jessica & Joshua’s shining moments. I just think that Phillip just had the fanbase that would vote/support him (which is good) no matter what he does. 

    The thing that I noticed during the last 4 seasons, except Kris’ (Adam is almost a polar opposite to Kris so Kris is a “musical alternative”, while the others have similarities to each other: Lee/Crystal, Scotty/Lauren), is that they have the early support of the production (I mean Heejun is probably most remembered for his comedy style during Hollywood week than performances later on and is more popular than say Erika who has excellent performances but was not featured much and always lands in the B3 (for girls in Top 13 week) every week in the Finals and was undeservedly eliminated during Top 10) and is more praised relatively to the praises given to other contestants. If Jessica was not bussed during Top 3, I just have the slightest feeling that it would be a Josh/Phillip finale instead, with Phillip still winning so Jessica barely survived that. If the judges put more effort in supporting the contestants (backstory, constructive comments) I think this kind of annoyance from the non-instrumentalist type contestants would not be as much but there is just a certain “shield of invulnerability” when contestants like Phillip shows up and is being focused by the production. JMO of course.