X Factor UK 2010 – The Top 12 – Performance

I’m not sure what a lot of tonight’s choices had to do with “Guilty Pleasures”. Why would Treyc singing a Led Zepplin song be so outrageous? Or Belle Amie singing Chrissie Hynde? Eh. My favs this week were Treyc, Katie and Rebecca. Aiden made a nice comeback this week. The two made-up groups have still not convinced me, by their performances, that they belong together. Matt, whom I lurve was a disappointment this week. But did Dannii think that choosing a Britney Spears song for him was brave and new? There have been a ton of male rock-type singers who have covered Britney–Travis, Richard Thompson, Marty Casey and even Kris Allen. It’s become trite at this point. There’s always next week, cause Matt will be sticking around.

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In danger of going? Wagner, John A. and maybe Belle Amie

This week, the X Factor UK is down to 12 contestants. The theme is Guilty Pleasures! Check out the spoilers for this week HERE.

The show starts at 2:45 ET

Watch the Live Stream and read along with my Live blog, after the jump.

Videos and Live Blog After the JUMP…

Paije Richardson (Dannii – Boys) – Ain’t Nobody by Chaka Khan – No dancers, no staging this week for Paige. He’s going to show off his voice. Fancy that. Nice arrangement He’s not doing a lot of fancy runs, which you’d expect when someone sings a Chaka songs. He’s a little rough on the high notes, but he brings the proper emotion. Louis says, “I love your choice of song, I love the arrangement, you keep getting better and better.” Cheryl says, “It’s the most comfortable you’ve looked. Fantastic.” Simon says, “I didn’t like what you’re wearing. You’ve got to turn yourself into a pop star. The performance was OK. You’ve got to start behaving and acting like a star. The end part was outstanding. You’ve got to start believing you can win.” Danni says, “You have arrived Paige. So well done. The way you’ve matured in one week is well done. The vocals were perfect. The sparkle in your eye was magic.” Paige’s grandparent died this week, so he was under some stress.

John Adeleye – Zoom by Big Fat Larry’s Band (Louis – Over 28s) – WTF is up with his hair? Erm. What the hell is this song? Zoom? Louis is the worst picker of songs ever. This is terrible on every level. LOL at Simon’s expression. Horrible song, vocals, staging, arrangement, outfit. Yikes. Danni says, “You really gave it a good performance tonight. Not one of my favorite songs.” Cheryl says the dancers were horrible, and that Louis should have spoken up to take them out. Simon says, “I was trying to concentrate…you were singing the horrible song Louis gave you…” Louis says, “You came out tonight, you absolutely look like a pop star. Yes the dancers were a bit of a distraction.” Simon says the dancers might have been a distraction from a terrible song choice. He also compares the performance to watching a newscast with two dogs doing it in the background.

Rebecca Ferguson – Why Don’t You Do Right by Nora Lee King – (Cheryl – Girls) – A better song choice this week–she does really great on the retro-soul-blues songs, cause she’s got this Billie Holiday vibe going on. The red Veronica Lake hair and red dress are pretty cool too. Louis says, “Liverpool has definitely got a brand new pop star. You’re like an amazing American diva. A class act, a unique recording voice.” Dannii says, “I would be one of those people who would buy your record. Tonight was the best performance you’ve done. I didn’t like your dress and style. It aged you a bit.” Simon says, “This was the night you turned into a star. I can’t fault any part of that. This is so exciting.” He addresses the Elton’s charge that competition show don’t turn out stars. “Elton if you’re not watching, I’m going to send you this tape.” Cheryl says, “The performance was everything it should be. You are 100 percent here.”

Cher Lloyd – Mash up of No Diggity by Blackstreet and Shout by Tears for Fears – (Cheryl – Girls) – OMG her hair! – Sorry, but this chic has NO SWAGGER. Seriously. Stop giving her the hip hop! She’d do so much better with straight pop. She’s got some talent, but she really comes off like an amateur. “You took 2 brilliant pop anthems…I love what you did on stage. I loved your whole attitude…Elton would love this too!”, Dannii says, “Tonight, this felt like you. This is what you would do at your concert. Mindblowing. Love the way that you look. You sang it really well.” Simon says, “It didn’t feel like you were somebody taking part in a competition. It felt like somebody who already had 5 hit records. The two songs…very very clever, you look comfortable. You look healthy and happy.” Cheryl says, “Thank you for being a strong little thing…thank you for letting me get a little loose. You are everything a pop star should be.”

Matt Cardle – Hit Me Baby One More Time by Britney Spears – (Danni – Boys) – A guy singing Britney Spears has been done before, so he’s really got a bit of a challenge on his hands. Hm. This is just OK–kind of boring.. I”m a big fan, but this isn’t one of his best. He sounds a little nasally and the arrangement is overblown. Louis says, “You took a pop classic, you made it your own. That could be a #1 record You are unique in every way.” Cheryl says, “It’s such an Iconic song..but it was really fantastic.” Simon says, “It was absolutely incredible. I like people who take risks. Take a song like that, and turn it into your version.” Dannii says, “You rocked the guilty pleasure. After you sang that version, that’s the only one I have going in my head.”

One Direction – Nobody Knows by Pink – Simon switched their song mid-stream because the first one wasn’t working. They’ve all got Bieber hair except for the curly haired guy. Lulz. The lead singer isn’t bad, but his backups are a little rough. These guys have never sounded like they gelled, despite how Simon has been pimping them. OMG the ending is a trainweck. Yikes. Louis says, “It’s like 5 Justin Biebers. You’re really getting your act together.” Dannii says, “It seems like you’re living the dream and loving the dream. I’m not sure Pink is a guilty pleasure?” Cheryl says, “You are my guilty pleasure. You’re finding your feet now.” Simon says, “There’s no bleating on about excuses. You grabbed on to it in 24 hours. You made some improvements. It’s an absolute pleasure working with you lot.” It really doesn’t matter if they can sing anyway. The crowd is going crazy for them.

Treyc Cohen – Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin – (Cheryl – Girls) – She gives it the Tina Turner treatment, and she’s pretty good. Treyc’s got a really powerful voice. She hits that high note pretty well! I like her. Louis says, “I never thought I would hear somebody sing Led Zepplin on X Factor. This is the best year we’ve ever done.” “The vocals were phenomenol. You look fantastic. What’s your style? What’s your signature?” “It’s like a kitten that’s turned into a tiger in one week. I didn’t think you quite hit the big notes on that. But, I think we can throw anything at you.” “I loved the fact that you haven’t been well, but you haven’t moaned and groaned. You really look happy as the rock chick, maybe that’s how we move forward.” Wow, she sounds really hoarse! She really got into the rock chick thing.

Mary Byrne – I Who Have Nothing by Shirley Bassey – (Louis – Over 28s) – She changed the song at the last minute (Heard it was “Ain’t No Mountain High Enough). She changed to her audition song. Well, this is boring we’ve already heard her sing this. It’s old-fashioned and dull. Dannii says, “When you sing best, is when you don’t leave any gas in the tank. It’s world class. Please sing a new song.” Cheryl says, “You represent real women with real life experience. You draw us all in. You deliver every week.” Simon says, “There are an awful lot of people who are going to be relating to you. You’ve got to show a different side. Louis you’ve got to use some imagination (picking songs).” Louis says, “Everyone loves you. You don’t use any tricks. It’s all about you and your voice.” Cheryl wants to hear Mary sing a Coldplay song. Lulz. Mary seems a little reluctant to do that.

Aiden Grimshaw – Diamonds Are Forever by the Arctic Monkeys – (Dannii – Boys) – Well this is better than last week! Aiden is a strange one. He still sounds a little nervous to me, but he’s got an interesting vibe. He’s sort of a freak. Louis says, “You are the perfect pop star, you make it contemporary. You’re going to be a brilliant recording star.” Cheryl says, “Amazing song choice, deliver. You’re a very intense performer, but I’m not sure everyone would get it. Simon says, “If you want a lesson on how to make an old song work, that’s what you do.”

Belle Amie – I’ll Stand By You by The Pretenders – (Simon – Groups) – I love Chrissie Hynde and that version was a blasphemy. When are these horrible girls going to be voted off? Louis says, “I think you are potentially a really great group. It wasn’t a great song choice. Simon is putting all his effort into the boys.” Cheryl says, “It’s a great song choice. It’s very sentimental for me. I wanted to be up there with you singing.” Simon says, “Louis why do you have to be so unpleasant and bitchy? They wanted to make their own song. It wasn’t the most original version of the song, but I think you did great.”

Wagner – Mash up of Spice Up Your Life by the Spice Girls and Livin’ La Vida – (Louis – Over 28s) – Wagner is ridiculous, and not in a good way. Is this guy for real? I mean, does he actually think this off-key shouting is good? The OTT choreography is kind of entertaining. Dannii says, “I think you definitely got the theme of guilty pleasure. Every week we’re kind of shocked by the dancing on the stage.” Cheryl says, “There was a lot of guilty going on up there. I don’t know if there was a lot of pleasure.” Simon says, “It was more guilt than pleasure. Do you understand how crazy this is Louis, that you would criticize my song choice?” Simon asks Wagner if he’s happy with Louis (There’s been gossip about Wagner being unhappy.) Louis says, “He’s not the best singer, but he’s definitely entertaining and different.”

Katie Waissel – King Of The Swingers from the Jungle Book – (Cheryl – Girls) – That was actually a ton of fun. Katie went the Madonna-Gwen Stefani route and totally pulled it off. I have to say, she’s growing on me. Louis says, “Katie has arrived, this is the real Katie. She’s got the X Factor. You owned the stage.” Dannii says, “That was a very clever twist on a guilty pleasure. I absolutely loved it.” Simon says, “Absolutely loved you this week. That was absolute genius. Shouldn’t have worked. It did work. You genuinely deserve to be here. Cheryl says, “Your best so far.”

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154 Comments

  1. And im officially crapping my pants over matts song….

    Noone can match Jedward’s “Ooops I did it again”.

  2. Matt could do something with it, though, there was an arrangement that Marty Casey did on Rockstar Inxs that was fantastic

  3. If by which you mean the level of terribleness then yes, i agree no one can match it. lol

  4. I liked Paije’s performance, but he had a pretty bad biff with one note, and yeah, his notes to be sustained better. But I liked the song choice, and what he did with the song.

  5. Poor John, I don’t get this song choice, it just makes him dated, it was boring

  6. Watching for the first time since last year…

    Wasn’t really enthused by Paije. Some of the notes seemed clearly off, wasn’t a fan of all that he did with it. Nothing strikingly wrong with it, but far from inspiring, and I didn’t feel the emotion.

    Oh, John. Vocally, he was pretty good (though again I didn’t like everything about it). But the look, the dancers, the awkward dancing, the song choice. Yiiikes. Reminds me why I kind of hate this show, even if it is WTFLOL fun.

  7. Lol, she’s got the Jessica Rabbit haircut.
    Unfortunately she didn’t own the song as much as I was expecting, the vocals were good.

  8. Ok, who backstage is dressing these people? This is like a collection of fashion misfires lined up one after another…

    She sang well. I didn’t really get a sense of her identity, though, or who she might be as a singer. But the melismatic growls were kinda fun.

  9. John was meh. Not bad, but eh.

    I really liked Rebecca’s performance, and love her voice.

  10. I think TPTB want a Paige or John A. elimation this week…and from the horrendously awful song that John was given, I have a feeling he’s being thrown under the bus….he gets no say on the performance aspect of his song, and yet the judges just slam those 2 dancers for half his critique?? stoopid!

    WOW! what a MILESTONE Rebecca has crossed. I honestly was shocked that the judges put her threw her inital audition cuz i thought she was soooo unbelievably pitchy. But after tonight….WOW….she’s such an amazing throwback…and i think she can be contemporary as well…awesome job…i dont think i have seen a contestant make such a big improvment on a show..AND ITS ONLY WEEK 2!

  11. Another stream here

    Loved Rebecca’s performance. John’s performance was boring, as always. He is a decent singer, but I don’t see the X Factor. Louis sucks at song choices …. Well, he is great at mentoring WTF category.

  12. he gets no say on the performance aspect of his song, and yet the judges just slam those 2 dancers for half his critique?? stoopid!

    To be fair, they ripped Louis (rightly) for that, not John. Hard not to mention it, either way.

  13. WTF @ Cher’s hair O_O

    I really liked Cher, too. I thought it was cool. A few notes that were “mumbly”, but I liked the performance.

  14. John got screwed by a boring song choice AND distracting dancers in the background. I think he’s going home. Rebecca was dressed like someone going as Jessica Rabbit to a Halloween party but I loved how her voice suited the song perfectly.

  15. I didn’t get that performance. That looked like the usual big production X factor performances where they pull out everything to make the contestant look way better than they are.

  16. I saw a YouTube ripping her for her taking others stuff and passing it off as hers. It was pretty funny.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa3Vq-stscE

    I guess she was better this week than last week vocally. But yeah, her as a rapper? ugh. And I just don’t like her and the praise of her? ugh.

  17. Ooooooooh, interesting character here in Cher. What she’s trying to do is somewhat, kinda unique, and I liked that the general thrust as well as the song choices. However, she doesn’t have a whole lot of force as a rapper or as a singer, and unlike the judges I question some of the production choices. (Like the costuming and, um, the hair. Seriously, who dresses these people?) But there’s something there.

  18. I JUST HAD A MUSEGASM @ THEM PLAYING MAP OF THE PROBLEMATIQUE DURING MATT’S PROMO THING!

    Wow, that was cool. But holy shit @ the song choice! O_O. I think I liked Kris’s version better, and now Britain has their own WGWG. Fantastic (I can’t tell if I’m being sarcastic or not). I do kinda like this :P. Kinda like that falsetto voice. But it’s kinda “Been there, done that.”

    I liked it but the heavy praise kinda killed it for me. Lambkey Backlash Syndrome FTL.

  19. pfft. Travis pwns Matt in this version of this song. And it’s been so done this way.

  20. They let him play a guitar on stage? I don’t remember any contestant ever playing the guitar, some pianos but no guitars. He’s got it in the bag lol.

    Not a bad version of the song, but it’s not really a surprise for me anymore.

  21. Ugh. Everyone was saying how this song is so hard to do and not sound karaoke… but, um, it’s kind of the ironic choice of these type of singers. Many of whom I really like. And I’ve just seen so many different versions like this, done better. The total lack of humor was kinda amusing, though. It’s was kind of pretty… the dumb kind.

    I dunno. Maybe I’m being a bit harsh with the guy. But there was something about it that really didn’t work for me, and I’m not exactly WGWG adverse or anything.

  22. Oh dear, the way it’s being handled like it’s so ZOMG amazing and different. Lame. It’s been done that way tons of times now, and this wasn’t even the best vocal version I’ve heard. So frustrating.

  23. Simon says it’s about quality and not quantity and then introduces the 5 Bieber look alikes, seriously?

  24. Oh Simon,
    Was Matt good ? Yes, but of course I love my WGWG, but to listen to Simon saying that was kind of funny.
    I’m interested in how British people vote, if they will choose WGWG over “pop star” a la Cher.

  25. Matt: Interesting performance. Some moments were better than the others. It wasn’t THAT great, IMO.

  26. Nooooo I can not take another WGWG winner of any tv talent show anywhere in the world. That said, I thought Matt sung the song very well.

  27. Simon says it’s about quality and not quantity and then introduces the 5 Bieber look alikes, seriously?

    Yeah, exactly. And I instantly regret being harsh to Matt, because there’s truly nothing worth mentioning about this standard boy band performance. Pink is not a guilty pleasure, and does not deserve to be butchered by these fools.

  28. Loved what Matt did with the song. I liked him from the start. I definately have a type :)

  29. That was a big trainwreck. Cheryl comparing them to the Beatles? Shut up please

  30. Lord have mercy, Matt FTW…havent gotten a fix like that on one of these shows since Lambert.

    do all the groups always just suck?

  31. Yay for another WGWG (my type of singer). I like Matt and think he did well but I liked Kris Allens version of the song better.

  32. Bwaaaah! The WGWG strikes again. He sang that beautifully but I could not stop laughing at the image of him sitting there looking like a spitting image of Lee Dewyze.

  33. Matt seems like he’s going to win. LOL He was quite good. I don’t know if I was blown away or anything though. It’d be funny if another WGWG in the paint business wins this type of show. At least Matt can sing stay in tune for a whole performance…

  34. I found some videos of Matt on youtube, there’s a Thriller cover I think is amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7utx3Lp_a2c

    I also found a link to a band he was in http://www.myspace.com/sevensummersband

    I liked him for some reason, and looked it up on youtube and found all this. Really like what I found. His covers remind me more of Kris Allen and Lee, but his original music is much more alternative rock, like David Cook’s.

    I have never watched this before, but it doesn’t seem like they have had this type of singer before.

  35. Treyc… wow. I’m now a fan! The vocals, the stage presence… there’s just a whole lot there. First performance of the night that truly excited me.

  36. Mary is borring me week after week, the world doesn’t need a second Susan Boyle, even a more likeable version.

  37. I dunno, Simon, I thought Treyc got those high notes pretty well.

    I don’t think this is my favorite of Mary’s. A great vocal, but for some reason, it’s just not as exciting as some of her past performances.

  38. Hmm, I’m thinking back about Matt’s performance. I like the idea, but it wasn’t as well executed as it could be. I think the arrangement could be more rockish, at least towards the end and I guess Matt’s voice isn’t well suited for that. What I want to say is, I saw a potential for a better version, but I guess we would need a different arrangement and a different singer.

    Ah TreyC, I can’t really judge that. There is only one version of that song that works for me and it’s Adam Lambert’s.

    Mary … I see, Jordin’s song. But Jordin’s performance was better.

  39. Mary… meh. One of those pretty enough, operatic voices that somehow fails to convey much in the way of meaning or emotion of any kind. It felt like it was going through the emotions. Whatever.

    Have to say, Danni’s criticism was totally on-point here, at least as far as strategy is concerned.

  40. Why am I not surprised that Mary will sing that one ?
    Too predictable. she is really good though.

  41. Ah TreyC, I can’t really judge that. There is only one version of that song that works for me and it’s Adam Lambert’s.

    Dammit, I knew someone would do it! :P

    Mary needs to do a more current song, I think. Did not catch that the original choice was Ain’t No Mountain High Enough. That could’ve been cool. Better than the song she sang now, anyway.

  42. Mary … I see, Jordin’s song. But Jordin’s performance was better.

    Loved Jordin’s version.

  43. Mary would not get my vote this week (if I could vote of course) because if you can not learn one new song a week then what kind of performer are you going to be? I guess the SueBo cover artist kind. But do we need another one of those?

  44. I really liked TreyC. I enjoyed her version better than Adam’s.

  45. Treyc was ok. The judges should be a little more discerning tough, it’s the third week she picked a rock song and she also sang Radiohead during boot camp. It’s pretty clear that she wants to be the rock chick (very smart considering they have already two winners in the diva soul/RnB category)

  46. Mary Byrne – I Who Have Nothing by Shirley Bassey – (Louis – Over 28s) – She changed the song at the last minute (Heard it was “Ain’t No Mountain High Enough). She changed to her audition song.

    So, I don’t understand this since I’m not familiar to X- factor.
    If the mentor chose a song, can the singer say no and make their own choice ?

  47. That was the best vocal I’m heard from Treyc, and she is a rocker chick indeed. But the getting down on her knees bit was weird and I would have cut out the most of groaning she did.

    I found Mary boring for the first time. It does feel like she’s singing the same song over and over again.

  48. Jordin managed to make that song sound current, even though it’s an old song.

  49. Aiden’s hair is a disaster.

    Dude’s got a pretty good voice, but he needs to stop mumbling! He always sounds nervous!

  50. Treyc was ok. The judges should be a little more discerning tough, it’s the third week she picked a rock song and she also sang Radiohead during boot camp. It’s pretty clear that she wants to be the rock chick (very smart considering they have already two winners in the diva soul/RnB category)

    Interesting. I wouldn’t have picked up on that, since I just started in. It’s certainly the right direction, as far as I could see.

  51. TreyC’s version was aiight. Mary was disappointing this week. Sads. I still like her, though.

  52. I can’t help but like Aiden, I enjoy watching him even if it’s boderline constipation face sometimes.

  53. I thought Cheryl was totally right on Aiden. It was actually hard to watch, hard to listen to. Really tense and uptight. In addition, I didn’t get a sense of what he was trying to say with the song. I knew he was trying, and I knew he was trying to be so very deep and meaningful with it, but I kind of missed the point.

  54. I actually agree with Cheryl about Aiden.
    He was better than last week, but hopefully he won’t sing these kind of songs always.
    He should sing some light fun song next, just so he is different and not predictable.

    Love Cheryl, I hope she will go to US X- factor.

  55. Diamonds Are Forever by the Arctic Monkeys

    I didn’t think of their version of the song during the performance, but vocally, Aiden was much closer to Alex Turner than Shirley Bassey.

  56. OK, Simon just answered my question earlier.
    I guess that you can pick your own song .

  57. OK, Simon just answered my question earlier.
    I guess that you can pick your own song .

    From what I’ve understood, that’s mixed. The mentors have the ultimate say, technically.

    The girl group was uninteresting, but no worse than the boyband, I guess? Well, it was messy vocally.

  58. Sorry, but Jedward ain’t got crap on Wagner.

    Though I wish for once he’d embrace the madness AND have a good vocal, lol.

  59. Wait, this is a contestant? Not some random audience member doing karaoke for the commercial break comic? Wow! Kind of loving the randomness!

  60. Wagner. I can’t believe what I just saw. The ultimate trainwreck performance?

    And Brian Friedman, what were you thinking with that choreography?

  61. Louis said what lots of people were thinking, but still totally bitchy to say out loud! LOL

  62. Wagner still makes me laugh so he can stay one more week. Belle Amie is a lock for going out tomorrow anyway.

    Katie getting the pimp spot with that song? The producers made a strange choice.

  63. This show is so good for laughs. Very little talent. But I do have to say one contestant has impressed me for the first time. Cher! That mashup was genius. Very creative. Don’t know if the mentor or Cher had the idea but it didn’t feel like a competition for a couple of minutes. Felt like a consolidated artist was giving a presentation.

  64. Totally entertained by Katie, she sold that song better I would have imagined. She has a lot of confidence on stage.

  65. Wow, weird… I think Katie really got the “guilty pleasure” thing right, at least as far as I’m concerned. It was simply a lot of fun to watch and listen to. A lot of personality. Kind of inspired. Cheryl might not be that bad stateside after all.

    Liked this group better than last year, for sure. A number of contestants I actually liked, whereas last year I only had one (and maybe two others I respected enough).

    However, whoever is dressing and doing the make-up for these people needs to be fired from their job stat. And I mean the entire department. From the awful suits to the dress that looked like it had an extra hip, so much was wildly off. And there were a host of production decisions I didn’t like. Some of the mentors (Danni, Cheryl) seemed better than others (Louis, Simon).

  66. What is with the eyelashes on this show? Cher and Katie are just terrible with overdoing them.

  67. I had trouble with my internet connection during parts of the show. How many contestants will be eliminated tomorrow?

  68. Okay, here are my grades:

    I loved: Rebecca Ferguson, One Direction, TreyC,
    Good: Paije,
    Acceptable: Aiden Grimshaw, Matt Cardle, Belle Amie, Cher Lloyd
    Boring: John Adeleye, Mary
    WTF: Wagner, Katie

  69. The performances I liked tonight were Treyc, Matt,Rebecca, Katie, Aiden and Cher’s mash-up.

    People I think might be going home, John, Paije or Wagner. I’ll add Belle Amie as an outside chance too.

  70. I liked Matt the best. Liked Rebecca also, thought her voice was good, but didn’t like the song.

    Don’t like Wagner at all, and didn’t like what Katie did. Rest were just ok.

    I don’t like Cher, but think she could be a pop star, but it isn’t really the kind I would like.

    If I were voting I would definately vote for Matt. I think he is the type I like, and he would do well in the US. It will be interesting to see how he does in the UK.

  71. Wagner is a joke, a bad one, he should go home. I liked Katie and Matt.

  72. I’m homing in on Matt (WGWG this week – heh), TreyC and Aiden as my favs, though Rachel was really good this week too.

    I can see Cher and One Direction having their fans: not my cup of tea, but I can see where they fit into the current music scene.

    Strong performances this week. Wagner surely has to go and I think Belle Amie will be in real trouble.

  73. JoCeeisme:

    10/23/2010 at 3:49 pm
    Yay for another WGWG (my type of singer). I like Matt and think he did well but I liked Kris Allens version of the song better.

    I forgot Kris did it too. Just found it and liked it better too. In fact, like Kris’s version the best of the ones I heard, because I just listened to Marty Casey’s too from Rockstar Inxs.

  74. Ah – I think I’m going to vote for Matt, for the first time ever this year, just to piss off the anti-WGWG folks.

    Cover the world with WGWG reality TV contest winners :lol!!!!!

    I think the thread is pushing me to declare Matt a favourite (even though I’ll sneakily maintain my liking for the other three too).

  75. WGWG winner? No thanks, I would prefer Wagner over WGWG winner. Really. I’m sick and tired of them.

    Plus, I think WGWG won season 4 of X Factor and his album flopped and he was dropped.

  76. Plus, I think WGWG won season 4 of X Factor and his album flopped and he was dropped.

    Leon Jackson was not a WGWG, he was a crooner Buble wannabee who had terrible stage freight and an average voice. He got on by with his boyish charm, regional appeal (Scotish people voted like mad it seems) and because the talent level was subpar.

    While I understand putting Cook, Kris and Lee in the same group, Matt is very different, he is more RnB/Soul than Pop/Rock, furthermore he uses his falsetto a lot and sounds like a girl in some of the songs.

  77. Nope we haven’t had any WGWG winners…plenty of WGWGs who do well as real musicians, as part of bands, but not X Factor winners.

  78. Well, I think I saw a picture of Leon Jackson playing a guitar somewhere once. But maybe it wasn’t from the show.

  79. I forgot Kris did it too. Just found it and liked it better too. In fact, like Kris’s version the best of the ones I heard,

    Kris’ version seems to be just a direct copy of what Travis did. Matt actually did something different, and not bad either.

    Things American Idol could learn from X-Factor –

    1) Better songs, more diverse songs, and newer songs – here you get something from the 1930’s (Rebecca’s song) to the latest songs on the chart (last week Matt’s), from hip-hop (Cher, and I can’t remember any contestant having done it on Idol live) to something from Jungle Book. I think one reason Lee stood out in the semifinal was that he did a more recent song – Owl City’s Fireflies. And why not some mash-up on American Idol? The last time David Archuleta did it (Stand By Me + Beautiful Girls) he got slapped down.

    2) Teach the contestants something about performance on stage – it is quite noticeable that X-Factor contestants look better on stage and have better presence.

    3) Dress the contestants better – while X-Factor can go completely overboard with what they get the contestants to wear, American Idol really needs to give the contestant more money to spend on clothes and really teach them how to dress. (Remember Lee pulling up his trousers? And wearing practically the same thing week after week? It’s the bloody richest show on American TV for heaven’s sake.)

    4) More diverse contestants – Just compare Season 9 semifinalists of American Idol with X-Factor and you see such a wide chasm in terms of variety. And American Idol even has the advantage of having country as an extra genre but still have so many of the contestants come out looking samey.

    5) Make the show more entertaining – while I don’t really want American go the way X-Factor do the big production numbers with dancers and what-not, more thoughts have gone in the making the performances more entertaining in X-Factor. Many of the shows last season just seemed dreary by comparison. There must be some middle ground they can find here somewhere.

  80. Paije is a shoe-in for least number of votes, I think.
    Forgetable, plus he is the first performance. First performer was eliminated both weeks.

    But with one performer going home, will the judges save him?

    If he’s up against Wagner or Belle Amie, he’s safe. Anyone else, and he’s toast.

    I predict Belle Amie joins him in the bottom two. Good bye (and good riddence) to Simon’s girls.

  81. I enjoyed Rebecca’s performance a whole lot; I thought it was really classy– simple and subdued but a great vocal & performance.

    But going off of Simon’s comment to her: “You know what, I read something Elton John said in the papers, which was a really b$#%$#y thing, saying that these shows don’t produce stars; well Elton, if you’re not watching I’m going to send you this tape, and you can take back what you said. That was on the money.”

    … For me, I interpreted Elton’s interview saying that people who win talent shows NEED to back everything up and prove that they have what it takes to be a star with a long-term career, which I think Carrie & Kelly have both done. But I think he was very right in saying that Alexandra & Leona are at the mercy of the next song they can get, because it’s hard to be a star while just waiting for the next big song to come along, and after “Bleeding Love,” I didn’t hear much more from Leona.

    Anyway, sorry for the rant– I think that Rebecca gave a great performance, and I think Katie was a bit of a surprise. She doesn’t have the most powerful vocals, but she definitely made her performance memorable for the right reasons. It was fun.

  82. I think you have some interesting points Hazehel.

    1) Better songs, more diverse songs, and newer songs

    I don’t know if you’re a new to the X factor, but I don’t think the songs on the X factor are that much diverse. I’ve got as tired of the same songs on this show as much as on idol.
    The biggest difference is that the contestants don’t choose their songs and the judges probably have a lot of adviser who work in the business and think about the overall quality of the show.
    So while the quality may be better, you can’t really know if it’s the contestant that is making great choices or if the producers are setting him up. The best exemple this season is Cher. If she’s really behind those song choices for the mash ups, I would be much more inclined to give her credit.

    4) More diverse contestants – Just compare Season 9 semifinalists of American Idol with X-Factor and you see such a wide chasm in terms of variety (and American Idol even has the advantage of having country as an extra genre but still having many of the contestants come out looking samey).

    The big difference that half of the contestants on the X factor couldn’t be on Idol if you look at the groups or the overs. Does having a boys band like One difference or a gimmick contestant like Wagner improves a show?
    Also, this year X factor is special in terms of diversity, and on the other hand idol season 9 was a very bad year.

    4) Make the show more entertaining – while I don’t really want American go the way X-Factor do the big production numbers with dancers and what-not, more thoughts have gone in the making the performances more entertaining in X-Factor. Many of the show last seasons just seemed dreary by comparison. There must be some middle ground they can find here somewhere.

    What I like about Idol is that it focuses on vocals, often the performance aspect just completely overwhelms the rest on the X factor.
    The contestants on idol make their own artistic choices and the judges are not here to steal the show.

  83. I don’t know if you’re a new to the X factor, but I don’t think the songs on the X factor are that much diverse. I’ve got as tired of the same songs on this show as much as on idol.

    The point is that X-Factor has the same tired songs + those extra songs that we never hear on Idol. Those extra songs are what make X-Factor feel fresher.

    The biggest difference is that the contestants don’t choose their songs and the judges probably have a lot of adviser who work in the business and think about the overall quality of the show.

    I don’t necessary think that the judges make good choices for the contestant. For example I think all 3 songs chosen for Aiden weren’t good choice for him, and 2 out of the 3 songs for Matt weren’t good either. I really don’t think Dannii is a good selector of songs. The difference I suppose is that sometimes a contestant on American Idol appeared not to know that a song is completely unsuitable for him or her, and having someone else choosing songs for them on X-Factor removes this potential for really awful choice of songs. But having the judges selecting song also can remove the unpredictable element of some song choice which can turn out to be great (Cook’s Billie Jean for example).

    Does having a boys band like One difference or a gimmick contestant like Wagner improves a show?

    Wagner would be the equivalent of Sanjaya or Nick Mitchell or Tatiana Del Toro. I think the producers now realised that people do like to watch entertaining contestants, be they trainwrecks or not, and deliberately put those people in just for that.

  84. X Factor 2010: Wagner avoids onstage meltdown… but his cheesy performance is panned by Cheryl and Simon

    ‘I owe my life to Derek… if it wasn’t for him I’d be dead’: Tearful Cheryl Cole pours out her heart on Life Stories

    The X Factor judge’s hotly anticipated interview with Piers Morgan was screened last night, where she opened up about malaria, divorce and spoke warmly of Hough.

    She said that if it wasn’t for his intervention and pleading with her to get a blood test, she believes she would have died from the deadly strain of malaria she contracted in July following their holiday to Tanzania.

    The star said she had been given just 24 hours to live as she fought the illness in hospital, where she wrote a will in the event of the worst outcome.

  85. The point is that X-Factor has the same tired songs + those extra songs that we never hear on Idol.

    I don’t know exactly the ratio of tired songs/new songs on the x factor vs idol but I don’t think it’s the dramatic difference you suggest. Simon and Louis in particular love their old songs and repeat them frequently. Danni and Cheryl are the ones who normally pick current songs for their acts.

    Wagner would be the equivalent of Sanjaya or Nick Mitchell or Tatiana Del Toro. I think the producers now realised that people do like to watch entertaining contestants, be they trainwrecks or not, and deliberately put those people in just for that.

    Sanjaya was not selected to be a “Wagner”. He became the joke contestant later in the season. The X factor specializes on gimmick contestants who dress badly, sing cheesy songs and are here just to make the audience laugh, this year we had two with Wagner and Diva Fever. Nick/Norman was probably the closest Idol ever came but he was one week and done.
    Tim Urban who was the “joke” contestant this year was only guilty of having limited singing talent, his performances were never as ridiculous as what some of the acts on this show do.

  86. For me, I interpreted Elton’s interview saying that people who win talent shows NEED to back everything up and prove that they have what it takes to be a star with a long-term career, which I think Carrie & Kelly have both done. But I think he was very right in saying that Alexandra & Leona are at the mercy of the next song they can get, because it’s hard to be a star while just waiting for the next big song to come along, and after “Bleeding Love,” I didn’t hear much more from Leona.

    Everyone, including Carrie and Kelly is at the mercy of the next song they can get, whether they write, co-write, get songs written for them or choose songs they like. There’s little difference between the 4 artists you mention in that respect and many, many more when they are trying to get CHR radio airplay. If Carrie can’t get CHR airplay then she can always get her song played on Country Radio ’til the cows come home – a luxury not afforded to the UK artists mentioned.
    ———
    It seems Mariah is coming back into contention for US X-Factor. Seems Fox is now acting like the other big broadcasters did when they turned down Idol originally as they didn’t know who or what Simon Cowell was all about back then. Although Carey may turn out to be a good judge, it’s good judging that makes success, not famous judges on their own.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2010/10/24/mariah-carey-tipped-to-get-u-s-x-factor-slot-over-cheryl-cole-115875-22654543/

  87. I don’t know exactly the ratio of tired songs/new songs on the x factor vs idol but I don’t think it’s the dramatic difference you suggest.

    Would it surprise you then that you have never heard “Baby One More Time” on Idol? Not to mention the 2 mash-ups (all 4 songs) and Jungle Book song? I don’t remember hearing a Pink song on Idol either.

    Sanjaya was not selected to be a “Wagner”. He became the joke contestant later in the season.

    And Season 6 was the season when the producers realised that joke contestant can attract attention to the show and help with ratings. It’s why they decided to go for Nick Mitchell and mad Tatiana in Season 8 when they saw the ratings dipped badly in Season 7 in the middle.

    The fact is that in nearly every season of American Idol, there are only about 2 or 3 contestants who have any real chance of winning, and maybe around 6 who are good. If they choose to pad out the show with a few entertaining contestants, then why not. Rather them than Michael Lynche (yeah, he can sing, but just so unbearably cheesy) or Andrew Garcia (boring). While not a great singer, Tim Urban at least tried to be entertaining, just a pity that many of the others in Season 9 didn’t bother.

  88. Valentin432:
    10/23/2010 at 6:06 pm

    While I understand putting Cook, Kris and Lee in the same group, Matt is very different, he is more RnB/Soul than Pop/Rock, furthermore he uses his falsetto a lot and sounds like a girl in some of the songs.

    I see this from what he’s done on the show, but his original music that I’ve heard is alternative rock. And I think that his covers on the show are the most like Kris’s, who I think does put some soul in his covers, and some of his original music. Of course, even if Matt did do rock before the show, it could change afterwards.

    I think with David Cook, you definately knew he was going for a more alternative rock sound with his covers, where this wasn’t neccesarily the case with the others, even though they did have their own sound.

    Maybe the similarity is that they are all musicians and not only vocalists, and that because of this, they can put some more originality into their covers.

  89. Would it surprise then you that you have never heard “Baby One More Time” on Idol? (Not to mention the 3 mash-ups and Jungle Book song?)

    But there are also a TON of songs that have never been done on X-Factor that have been on idol. Also, I’m not going to lament the fact that the jungle book song and those awful mashups of Cher’s have never been on idol lol.

    And Season 6 was the season when the producers realised that joke contestant can attract attention to the show and help with ratings.

    Idol has never had a joke contestant reach the level of Jedward or Diva Fever or Wagner. Sanjaya got the closest and he was massacred for it, and season 6 had a massive drop in ratings. People that make a real mockery of the contest will not have the same time of acceptance in America.

  90. Would it surprise then you that you have never heard “Baby One More Time” on Idol? (Not to mention the 3 mash-ups and Jungle Book song?)

    I don’t think that I completely understand what you mean by that?
    No it doesn’t particularly surprise me that we’ve never heard those songs over tousands other on idol and I’ve never heard Heartless, Fireflies, The Scientist, Stuff Like that there, Independence Day, Hemorraghe, etc. on the X factor either.
    It would be strange to have a lot of cross over songs between the two shows and there is already some like Feeling Good who have been performed countless times on both Idol and X factor.

    It’s why they decided to go for Nick Mitchell and mad Tatiana in Season 8 when they saw the ratings dipped badly in Season 7 in the middle

    Yes Nick was probably the one contestant they casted based on his potential “entertainment” value, but he is the only one and he lasted one week total. Compare that to the Jedwards, Wagner, Same Difference, Diva Fever, McDonald Brothers (or whatever they were called), etc.
    FWIW, Tatiana actually was a pretty good vocalist better than some of this week contestant, and her performance was not gimmicky.

    The fact is that in nearly every season of American Idol, there are only about 2 or 3 contestants who have any real chance of winning, and maybe around 6 who are good. If they chose to pad out the show with a few entertaining contestants, then why not. Rather them than Michael Lynche (yeah, he can sing, but just so unbearably cheesy) or Andrew Garcia (boring). While not a great singer, Tim Urban at least tried to be entertaining, just a pity that many of the others in Season 9 didn’t bother

    Joke contestants just kill any sense that it’s a competition. When you have only two or three credible contestants, it means the judges/producers already made their mind and they know who they want to see in the finals and sign. The manipulations are OTT on the X factor.
    I want Idol to select a variety of good contestants, not to bring bad ones to add some divesity. If your exemple is Mike Lynche, one of the only contestant on this season that actually brought some diversity in music styles, then yes I think the show would have been even more dreadfull that it was.

  91. But there are also a TON of songs that have been done on X-Factor that have been on idol.

    But never a Britney Spears song? (They did No Perogative but that’s really Bobby Brown’s song) Never a Kings of Leon? Guns ‘N Roses? Radiohead? The list of singers or groups never done on Idol is actually quite staggering considering the huge number of songs that’s already done on the show, many more than X-Factor. And it’s hard to think of any hip-hop song that’s actually done live on Idol. That’s one whole genre of songs.

    The Jungle Book song was just an example of songs that Idol won’t even think they might do.

    season 6 had a massive drop in ratings.

    You have to remember that Season 6 was actually a rather poor year contestant-wise, and you see the same big fall in the middle of the season (might be worse actually) in Season 7 which had far better contestants. The reason the ratings weren’t actually worst in Season 6 was that many people tuned in to watch Sanjaya.

    I don’t think that I completely understand what you mean by that?

    The point being that there are huge holes in the repertoire of Idol songs. It doesn’t tell us anything if a particular song is not done on X-Factor, the point is that it has a broader range of songs. X-Factor do some of the latest songs quite regularly, but on American Idol songs like Fireflies is a rarity (it’s the reason why I said it stood out when Lee did it).

    Compare that to the Jedwards, Wagner, Same Difference, Diva Fever, McDonald Brothers (or whatever they were called), etc.

    It’s getting desperate when you put Same Difference and MacDonald Brothers in the same category as Jedward and Wagner.

    ETA – I should say that I had argued before against contestants like Nick Mitchell, and I would certainly put Wagner in the same category as Nick Mitchell. However I don’t have a problem with Diva Fever – you may not like them, but they are not joke contestants.

  92. Oh my heck. This was not a good week. Mentors are failing their contestants. Louis doesn’t know what to do with Mary and it sucks because I like her. Ain’t No Mountain, Louis? It’s good she had a fallback to an earlier performed song but sad she had to.

    Matt was not his best but gave the best male vocal performance for me. Katie’s act should’ve worked better than it did and maybe with more time she could do it.

    Lord help me! This was the first week I thought Cher didn’t completely suck. She’s not my thing but at least there was some sense of a voice to her.

    “One Direction” are by far the better group but Zayn has such a weak voice, it bugs me any time he has a lead vocal.

  93. But never a Britney Spears song? (They did No Perogative but that’s really Bobby Brown’s song) Never a Kings of Leon? Guns ‘N Roses? Radiohead? The list of singers or groups never done on Idol is actually quite staggering considering the huge number of songs that’s already done on the show, many more than X-Factor. And it’s hard to think of any hip-hop song that’s actually done live on Idol. That’s one whole genre of songs.

    The Jungle Book song was just an example of songs that Idol won’t even think they might do.

    I don’t remember any performance on the X factor of Radiohead and Kings of Leon, they sang it in the auditions but not on the live show.
    If you’re going to do a list of artists that have been performed on the x factor, I bet it would be the same length, particularly if you go the rock/alt. Rock road where many artists just don’t give the rights to their songs. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Aerosmith, Muse, The Clash, the Who, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the Sex Pistols, the Strokes, Weezer etc. I could name a lot of very popular bands who have never been performed. Even acts like Oasis, Pulp, the Verve or Blur that are britpop, I can’t remember any of them on the show.

    It’s getting desperate when you put Same Difference and MacDonald Brothers in the same category as Jedward and Wagner.

    I’m sorry if you were a fan of those two acts but for me they were both gimmicky contestants with very little talent and the fact that they went so far in the competition was a sign of how poor the talent level was on those seasons.

  94. I don’t remember any performance on the X factor of Radiohead and Kings of Leon, they sang it in the auditions but not on the live show.

    If they showed it in the audition, then they can perform them live if they so wished.

    Even acts like Oasis, Pulp, the Verve or Blur that are britpop, I can’t remember any of them on the show.

    Well, at least I remember Oasis’ Wonderwall being done on X-Factor.

    Red Hot Chili Peppers, Aerosmith, Muse, The Clash, the Who, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the Sex Pistols, the Strokes, Weezer etc.

    I see at least 4 of these have been done on Idol already. I wonder why you think they won’t be done on Idol or X-Factor.

    I’m sorry if you were a fan of those two acts

    I always wonder how people managed to infer things I never said.

  95. The Jungle Book song was just an example of songs that Idol won’t even think they might do.

    This also has alot to do with what each show is looking for, Jungle Book songs are never going to be played on any U.S. contemporary radio stations.

    X factor seems to be looking for an entertaining singer no matter the genre, whereas Idol is looking for a pop star (or so they say)

  96. I have to say I usually giggle at the comparisons of various reality TV cover versions. but in this case I’m not giggling. Marty Casey showed what you could do with that song if you had some charisma and Matt showed what you could do if you, um, didn’t.

    And where is Marty Casey now? More talented than any Idol, and yet nowhere. Because life isn’t a reality TV show and unless you can write great songs, you’re nobody.

    Poor Matt can’t even do karaoke convincingly.

  97. Ugh why did Zayn have to butcher the last note. One direction’s performance was actually going decent until that last note. He needs to stop singing, why does the group need his annoying echo, they should let just Liam and Harry sing.
    TreyC was my fav of the night. I hope her Matt and one direction are in the final three.

  98. She’d do so much better with straight pop

    Really. I think we have seen how fun shows are when most of the singers just sing, butcher, boring pop songs. Even if the talent is similar the entertainment of X-Factor is so much more because they put on a show when they preform and change the songs up more.

  99. On american idol they consider singing a song slowly and playing the acoustic guitar creative and artistic. On X-Factor contestants try to do things that would make them current.

  100. This is the first time, I’ve ever seen this show. Wow. I actually don’t think this is going to work as well in the states as Idol has. I can see it doing decently but I don’t think it’ll hit the heights Idol did in its prime.

    Do the judges pick all the songs because it seemed like the contestants picked some of these songs. Anyway, it’s very manufactured stuff and very pop. I could see that working in England but music is taken more seriously in America. The bigger stars here still have to have some kind of authenticity. Even pure pop artists like Katy Perry and Ke$ha write their own songs. No urban male singers could ever come off a show like this with any cred whatsoever.

    I’m surprised because I thought this would blow Idol out of the water. I can see Idol fading and this doing ok but not being the #1 show on TV.
    (Simon’s act also seems to be getting old although he’s way more nice here than on Idol. So many of these mediocrities are brilliant according to Simon. ;) )

  101. I think X-factor will do well in the US. There’s hunger for big production and theatrics, whole she-bang thus the love for Gaga, Poppycock, Jackie Evanco & the choirs of angels, and Glee to name a few. With the right combination of talent, personality, & production, viewers taste will shift away from the staple food.

  102. I think X-factor will do well in the US. There’s hunger for big production and theatrics, whole she-bang thus the love for Gaga, Poppycock, Jackie Evanco & the choirs of angels, and Glee to name a few. With the right combination of talent, personality, & production, viewers taste will shift away from the staple food.

    Hope you’re right!

  103. Ugh why did Zayn have to butcher the last note. One direction’s performance was actually going decent until that last note. He needs to stop singing, why does the group need his annoying echo, they should let just Liam and Harry sing.

    Yeah, I’m not understanding why Zain is getting so many solos with such a weak voice. Harry has yet to sing a solo during the live shows, it makes me suspicious of the decisions being made about this group.

  104. I used to think that American Idol was miles better that the X Factor in terms of talent, but this year is better that it has ever been, and it’s not the case anymore, it compares very favorably with at least the last two years of American Idol which were poor as whole (excluding Adam).
    My favorite performances last night were Matt, Aiden, Cher and Katie and Paije. Belle Amie were pleasant, and so were One direction even with their flaws.

    Matt’s performance was beautiful, Aiden visually mesmerizing, Cher great fun and Katie entertaining.

    TreyC did a decent job of Whole Lotta Love. She has a very good voice, but is too generic for my liking. Rebecca has an interesting tone, but at home we usually end up in a discussion during her performances.

    Yeah, I’m not understanding why Zain is getting so many solos with such a weak voice. Harry has yet to sing a solo during the live shows, it makes me suspicious of the decisions being made about this group.

    I know, I like Harry’s voice the most, and I don’t understand why they don’t give him the lead more often.
    May be it is a trick, Simon is keeping some cards up his sleeve with them, and will switch into full gear, with Harry leading more, closer to the finale.

  105. This also has alot to do with what each show is looking for, Jungle Book songs are never going to be played on any U.S. contemporary radio stations.

    Whereas they are all over the airwaves in the UK??!!

    I think the problem is that we’re comparing unfair seasons: a good season of X Factor vs a poor season of AI.

    In the past I’ve always preferred AI, because of its focus on the contestants over the judges and because they got the balance right.

    But the X factor has got stronger in recent years, where AI has faltered.

    What I do think AI could learn from X Factor is to make the show more modern. Keep the focus on the contestants and what they can do; go back to mixing it up more, but get more modern songs and beef up the productions values. It doesn’t have to be an all out song and dance thing, but they could certainly do something to make the whole thing seem fresher.

    If they don’t, I think US X Factor could blow them out of the water, especially with the younger audience.

  106. I could see that working in England but music is taken more seriously in America.

    What!!??

    Do you know anything about the music industry in the UK?

    And to take up the point about artists writing their own songs – yes, probably about 99% of UK artists write their own songs, the only exceptions being manufactured pop stars, lots of whom come off the X Factor.

    X Factor stars are seen as pure manufactured ‘pop’ in the UK. The show represents one tiny portion of the UK music scene, just as manufactured pop in the US represents a tiny portion of the US music scene.

    This would be like me watching any season of AI and assuming that the entire US music industry is represented by what I have seen on the screen.

    Ludicrous!

  107. Compared to American Idol the focus of the X Factor is more to be entertainment show, less a serious talent competition.
    But the fact that there is more talent this year in the UK show indicates that the X Factor team is determined to have both, talent and entertainment. If they can have both, the US show will be a success, in my opinion.

  108. Do you know anything about the music industry in the UK?

    ;) I know there are lots of serious artists in the UK but the Pop scene there seems very transitory. The kind of artists the X Factor focuses on are shallow (from what I’ve seen). Maybe that’s because there’s so much manipulation and glitz around them. So all their originality already seems drained from day one.

    I know Leona Lewis came from the X Factor and they do get that big first single thing. Aside from Leona has anyone achieved any career longevity in the UK? They haven’t broken any of their acts in the states (exception Leona).

    My point was that a glitzy Pop show like the X Factor may NOT work as well in the US because of the “manufactured” part of the show. That lends itself to a slightly corny quality where the production is at a very professional level while the talent is always going to be mostly mediocre. I’ve never seen the show before and just don’t know if it’ll match Idol’s success here.

    I guess it is more spectacle than talent show. I’m disappointed. I thought this show would be another monster like Idol. Now I’m not so sure.

  109. sallysimmons:
    10/23/2010 at 10:35 pm
    I have to say I usually giggle at the comparisons of various reality TV cover versions. but in this case I’m not giggling. Marty Casey showed what you could do with that song if you had some charisma and Matt showed what you could do if you, um, didn’t.

    And where is Marty Casey now? More talented than any Idol, and yet nowhere. Because life isn’t a reality TV show and unless you can write great songs, you’re nobody.

    I have heard that he is still playing in his band.

    I don’t think either of the Rockstar seasons had the number of fans that American Idol and X factor had to begin with. And also, only the winner got a contract with the band for their season. I think the one with the most recent success has been Ryan Star.

    And I think you could write good songs and still not be discovered. I think some of the preidol songs from David Cook and MWK are amazing, and I probably wouldn’t have heard them if David hadn’t gone on Idol.

  110. That lends itself to a slightly corny quality where the production is at a very professional level while the talent is borderline mediocre.

    I don’t agree about the talent this year, but anyway, we need to remember that the UK population is a fifth of the US one, so the US X Factor will have a larger talent pool to draw from.

  111. First off, thanks MJ for covering X Factor. I followed the show through this site last year and I personally think this year is much better. As I noticed last season, Simon is a different person on this show, he is/was much more critical of vocal performance on Idol. Interesting….

    I think Matt Cardle is fantastic. Wow, he has a great voice and I can see him being able to sing just about anything. He seems more alternative, adult contemporary to me, but not matter, he’s really the one to watch on this show.

    Katie is growing on me. I loved her performace this week; it was perfect for her. She also seems like a genuinely nice girl who is grateful to be there.

    I think One Direction has a real shot this year. Yeah, they aren’t the best vocalists, but they are fun, young and do sound good together most of the time. They just need more time…. they have growth on their side. If they can grow together and start performing more, I think they may have it in the bag. (I’d like to see Harry sing more, too, maybe they are waiting a bit to be sure he’s over his nervousness/stage fright)

    TreyC is also really, really good. I liked her performance this week, but I preferred Purple Rain over this one. She looked great and I see her moving forward; I’m glad she was a wild card and certainly deserves to be on this show.

    Rebecca is very interesting. Her voice is so unique. She also has the ability to grow and really blossom.

    The folks I menntioned above are the ones I really like and hope do well. The rest are just meh for me. Cher…. I don’t know. She has performance skills, but I didn’t think she sounded good at all this week. It was a little annoying for me. They need to tone it back for her. I don’t see she has any place to grow. She’s already doing full productions….but what do I know.

    X Factor US will be interesting. I think there is the potential for it to be too much cheese….. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  112. I know there are lots of serious artists in the UK but the Pop scene there seems very transitory. The kind of artists the X Factor focuses on are shallow (from what I’ve seen).

    I actually think that’s the same story in both the US and the UK. And there are a few pretty good pop writers from both countries, plus a lot of throwaway, ephemeral pop. It’s always been the case.

    The X Factor is an entertainment programme, pure and simple. It appeals directly to the heart of that ephemeral, popular pop music world and it’s never claimed to be anything else.

    It’s taken seriously by the business in terms of the pop sales it generates, but nobody in the UK would claim that its artists represent the serious UK music scene. In fact, it suffers from much the same snob dismissal as Idol and its contestants do in the States.

    To be fair to Idol, I think they have produced some singers/acts who have a shot at more longevity than even the more successful of the X Factor acts have. But that’s more to do with the limited scope and ambitions of Simon Cowell and company (who has always focused on the here and now in music rather than the artistry) and not with the UK music industry as a whole.

  113. It appeals directly to the heart of that ephemeral, popular pop music world and it’s never claimed to be anything else.

    The problem is that the Top 40 music that is currently popular in the States isn’t anything like the Pop stuff on the X Factor. The US is into a more rhythmic, urban type of music influenced by hip/hop. I can’t see any of those artists breaking on a show like the X Factor. And forget about boy bands, girl groups here. That just ain’t going to work ;)

  114. JPfan:

    Look at the top 40 chart in the UK. Apart from some home grown UK talent, it is dominated by very similar acts to those in the US. That’s why Simon is hyper ventilating over Cher this year, because he can see her fitting into that market.

    The X Factor pop is really only a very small part of it.

    Along with the international acts and the likes of X Factor ex-contestants, you get some good, home grown pop writers, like The Script, Florence and The Machine, Paloma Faith, Adele etc etc…

    You’re looking at the X Factor releases and assuming a dominance that just isn’t there. It certainly is more present at the moment, with the show high in the TV rankings, but even then, most of the music I hear on the radio is very rap/urban heavy, with a few of those quirky retro female singer song-writers mixed in.

  115. I know Leona Lewis came from the X Factor and they do get that big first single thing. Aside from Leona has anyone achieved any career longevity in the UK? They haven’t broken any of their acts in the states (exception Leona).

    It’s a little harder to judge since it’s the beginning of the seventh season.
    Season 1 was a wash
    Shayne Ward (winner of the second season) first two albums were good success, even if he didn’t sell outside of the UK. His third will be released very soon.
    Leona first album was a massive international success, it has probably sold more than any idol album ever, the second one didn’t perform nearly as well but it’s safe to say that she will have some longetivity.
    Season 4 didn’t have any big success story.
    Season 5 has had so far the most success in establishing pop artists, the winner, the runner up and the 4th place finisher all had at least one big pop hit and n°1 album. We’ll have to see how their second albums perform.
    It’s a little early to judge for season 6. Joe will need to find what he wants to do as an artist since his style is not really pop IMO, Olly could have some decent success and Jedward has too but won’t last much longer I think.

    That’s not a lot considering the massive success of the show and the ratings but it’s clear on both Idol and X factor that most of the people who watch them are not really music fans, that’s why they can pull off things like declaring Matt cover or Cher mashups original and genius.

  116. Thanks for the info on the show. The past expectation for Idol was that the winner would be a superstar. Of course, that’s proving kind of tough lately. I think X Factor will work as entertainment in the US but it won’t be taken as “seriously” as Idol has been.

    I think Simon’s nice act won’t work as well as the mean one did on Idol either. Who knew he was such a hack.

  117. Okay only watched the Ain’t Nobody and Whole Lotta Love ones. Horrible and Horribler. And that chick was even wearing one of Adam’s costumes, lmfao. I really love when people take on songs from other genres and I love Chaka Khan, wow- the judges comments really don’t match, is it because they are trying to drum up interest or something? I don’t want to watch any more of this crap, that was truly awful. I wasn’t even looking to compare with Adam’s WLL because a girl singing it would have been like comparing apples and oranges, but come on- did people REALLY like that chick?

  118. did people REALLY like that chick?

    Yep – and I much preferred her to Adam too, so far as these things go.

    I’m not saying that I would be planning to buy her album or anything, but I like her vocals.

  119. I think the difference is that American Idol has been seen as a more serious talent competition than just an entertainment show than it seems the X factor has. I think this change started around Season 4-5, and I think it’s because some artists from AI began to be successful and taken seriously by the music industry.

    The thing that I see that with too much overproduction, and judge interference, it could hide who the true talents that could have real long term success, because they might not get what they want, and wouldn’t stand out as much. Singers in recent years from AI who have had some success after Idol like Daughtry, Adam Lambert, and David Cook were able to show who they were as artists through their performances, and were able to do their own staging and arraingments. I don’t think someone who is premanufactured could be ready for the kind of the success that they have had in the limited amount of time that happens after AI. And I think you have to know who you are as an artist to have any kind of long term success, like Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, and Daughtry, and I’m hoping for the same for David Cook, Adam Lambert, and Kris Allen.

    And I don’t think anyone from the X factor has had the level of success that some from AI have had. Leona Lewis is the most well known here, but I think it’s too soon to see if she has any long term success.

  120. I wasn’t even looking to compare with Adam’s WLL because a girl singing it would have been like comparing apples and oranges, but come on- did people REALLY like that chick?

    No, just no, she is nothing like Adam, she is just a generic diva, but she is not highly rated or a favorite in the UK either.

  121. I dunno, I’m really not a huge fan of the big, theatrical productions. They take too much away from the vocal, so prefer Idol, but I think X-Factor has some interesting prospects in America. I think it might try to produce a new Justin Bieber or Lady GaGa though, both of which I feel extremely sick about.

    Tonight seemed to be a really good X-Factor night, however (I started with Rebecca’s performance). I loved Rebecca, Katie, and Treyc. And dammit, Cher is always my guilty pleasure. I think the girls are good! Is it a coincidence that all the performers I liked tonight are Cheryl’s? And Joe, my favorite last year, was with Cheryl? Aside from Cheryl choosing “I Kissed A Girl” for Lloyd Daniels (Holy crap that was so terrible), I’m kinda excited if she’s really gonna be a mentor here. Everyone I’ve loved is under her.

    I usually like the teen guys, but I’m not a huge fan of Aiden, and Matt kinda had a serious case of Lambkey Syndrome tonight. I don’t really like groups, either. Aiden was decent tonight (Why the hell does he always sound nervous and mumbling?) and I’m pretty sure Matt has had better weeks that actually deserved the judges’ praise. If I were a judge I would’ve ripped all four of them after that performance. Not physically of course.

    I love Wagner, but I think we can only take so much of him.

    Kinda off-topic, but how did last season of X-Factor compare with other seasons? I really only watched Joe because the other contestants were lame, but I based most of my opinions on that.

  122. Jammasta:

    Last season of the X Factor suffered from the same problems as AI9, if I remember it rightly.

    I think it was the season where there were some interesting, quirky girl singers who got voted off early on and what was left was really uninteresting??? Joe was the best singer, but he’s hardly got star potential.

    Actually, I’m finding it really hard to remember who was on last year. Dredging my memory, I think there were a couple of smarmy, big headed male singers, who Simon kept saying were marvellous, when they were distinctly average (they were in his category!).

    Not a great season, but wildly popular ratings wise. As has been said: it’s all about the entertainment and the records that can be sold from guesting on the show. That’s why the production values take precedence.

    And that, in itself, seems to me to fit right into the current pop scene, where production values and what happens on the stage is of far more importance than the music itself. I can’t see any other explanation for some of the crap stuff that does well in the charts recently, but clearly works well on the stage when you see it on shows like the X factor.

  123. Kinda off-topic, but how did last season of X-Factor compare with other seasons? I really only watched Joe because the other contestants were lame, but I based most of my opinions on that.

    I thought it was a bad season especially compared to season 5 where they had the most talent in all seasons so far IMO. Lots of overhyped singers during the auditions and that delivered very little afterwards, all the girls were eliminated almost right out of the gate in favor of guys like Lloyd. I stopped watching when Simon choose to save Jedward instead of Lucie, so I don’t have all the elements to compare.
    The first four seasons were poor on talent, some of the winners wouldn’t have made it in the top 12 on AI.

  124. I could see that working in England but music is taken more seriously in America.

    What!!??

    Do you know anything about the music industry in the UK?

    Hehe, it’s one of those WTF statements that suddenly reminds you how little people on one side of the pond know about the other side.

    Music is taken much more seriously in England than in the US, it’s the only reason how the campaign to get Rage Against The Machine to #1 to spite Simon Cowell can succeed, or how indie bands like The XX can get a top 10 album or how bands like Arctic Monkey and Franz Ferdinand can get to #1 and sell multiple platinum when they were still indie, or how many American bands are more successful in the UK than the US. The music scene in UK is certainly much healthier in the UK compared to the US, especially for rock. Disposable pop is just one small part of the equation that made the music scene in UK healthy.

  125. jammasta:
    10/24/2010 at 8:44 am
    I dunno, I’m really not a huge fan of the big, theatrical productions. They take too much away from the vocal, so prefer Idol, but I think X-Factor has some interesting prospects in America. I think it might try to produce a new Justin Bieber or Lady GaGa though, both of which I feel extremely sick about.

    Actually, I’m afraid AI may go in this direction too next year from the interviews with Nigel Lythgoe. I think it does depend more on who they get as contestants, because it still sounds like they are letting them pick what genre they want.

  126. I should have said singing talent shows are taken more seriously in the US than England. The X Factor is way sillier than Idol which (used to) take itself quite seriously. I just never knew what a dumb show X Factor was. My Bad. ;)

    I didn’t mean to disparage all the great UK artists who have nothing to do with this show.

  127. I should have said singing talent shows are taken more seriously in the US than England.

    Just need one name to disprove that idea – Taylor Hicks.

  128. Just watched TreyC’s performance. Although I agree she was good, I like Adam’s better. It seems to me that it is the same arrangement and type of performance that Adam would do. And it might not have been done at all if not for Adam, because it was because of his popularity that AI was able to get clearance to do the song, and possibly X factor would not have been able to get the clearance either. Which I think is part of the reason songs seem to repeat on these shows, because it is the ones they can get clearance for.

    I’m really not sure if I like the amount of judge control. Simply because of what was said to Treyc about them deciding that maybe she would be a rock chick on the show. To me, that should come from the contestant what type of artist they think they should be, and I know this is harder for someone with little experience on a show like this. And maybe that is what she wants to do. The problem I see is being told this by a judge that controls what you’re singing. I can see where a little more guidance than we had on AI is good but not outright telling someone what they have to do. This is the difference to me between Adam’s performance and TreyC’s, because Adam had much more control of the performance.

    The other thing is that I think peformances that have really defined people as artists would not have been allowed by judges. I feel this is what happened with ROF with Adam, and World I Know with David Cook. At least with Simon as the judge, neither peformance would have been allowed. And the reason I think it helped defined them is because both performances fit in so well with their original music so much so that they both used those songs during their tours.

    Even so, I am enjoying watching the show. Since it is the first season I’ve really watched the show, I am interested enough to see how it goes. I had seen videos of the show last year, but I didn’t see any contestants that really interested me like I have this year.

  129. Taylor winning caused quite an uproar at the time. People still seem mad about it. That’s how seriously folks used to take Idol. ;)

  130. Hazehel:
    10/24/2010 at 9:58 am
    I should have said singing talent shows are taken more seriously in the US than England.

    Just need one name to disprove that idea – Taylor Hicks

    I think that was part of the transition from just looking for a pop star and looking for other types of artists like rock and country, and I think this started in Season 4. And Season 5 was one of the most diverse seasons they had for types of artists. I mean, I don’t really like him either, but he is as far from a prefabricated pop star as you could get. So is Daughtry.

  131. I should have said singing talent shows are taken more seriously in the US than England. The X Factor is way sillier than Idol which (used to) take itself quite seriously. I just never knew what a dumb show X Factor was.

    I think that Dancing With the Stars has more to worry about from X-Factor than AI. They both seem to go for the fans who love a large helping of cheeseball performances served with a side of over production and a sprinkling of real talent. DWTS has an older demo (hence it’s lower ad rates despite high ratings), so I wonder if X-Factor will go the same route.

  132. Taylor winning caused quite an uproar at the time. People still seem mad about it. That’s how seriously folks used to take Idol.

    Seriously though, Taylor Hicks is the perfect example why X-Factor can succeed in the US – people like entertaining contestants. I personally can’t for the life of me see how Taylor Hicks is entertaining, but many apparently did, and Season 5 is still the most successful season perhaps partly because of that. It also has more diverse contestants, one thing that season got right where Season 9 failed.

    The show, at the end of the day, is there to entertain viewers, and they have to have entertaining contestants. I do think people like Wagner (or Nick Mitchell) is a step too far, and should not be allowed on American Idol, although I suppose it could another matter for the US version of X-Factor. I certainly was very annoyed at the beginning when they chose Tim Urban to replace Chris Golightly because I thought he was a bad singer, but I ended up liking him a lot because he tried to be entertaining (and he turned out to be actually not too bad a singer). Some of the contestants last season gave off this strange “I am an artist so I’ll just do my thing whether you enjoy it or not” vibe (for example Lilly Scott), and that just doesn’t make for good TV.

  133. Cheryl Cole’s new single “Promise This” was released to iTunes UK today. It’s already #1. And she is going to perform it on X Factor tonight.

  134. I know Simon is seeing major $$$$$$$ signs when it comes to One Direction. They actually did better last week, lol. I think 3 out of the 5 can actually sing somewhat. Oh who cares, they are cute and the girls are eating them up.

    What happen to Matt this week. It was not very good but it was ok. Cher and Katie were actually pretty good. I can’t stand Katie but she was pretty cute this week. Aiden still scares me. The rest were forgettable or just boring.

  135. @karenc: 10/24/2010 at 10:15 am I also think that Adam is better when it comes to performance…This TreyC has a great voice but Adam’s stageact was able to make fireworks without the dancers and the actual fireworks…

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