X Factor Tate Stevens No Longer Listed on Sony Nashville Website

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Well. It looks like the latest X Factor USA winner, Tate Stevens, is no longer listed on the Sony Nashville website. He was under the RCA Nashville umbrella. When an artist is deleted from a label website, it usually means they’ve been dropped. Or, “parted ways” with the label, in PR parlance.

During his season, Tate’s storyline as the all-American family man was wildly appealing to X Factor voters. Contestant voting order was revealed during every results show up until the final 3, and the country singer was in 1st place nearly every week.

But as we singing competition fanatics know, a viewer willing to pick up the phone isn’t necessarily going to open their wallets after the confetti has fallen and the albums are out. Tate’s self titled debut sold 16,859 copies when it dropped back in May. Fellow season 2 alums, fourth place finishers, Emblem3, released their record last week and outsold him handily, landing in the Billboard 200 at No. 7 and selling 46K. When 3rd place finishers, Fifth Harmony, drop their record later this year, I am betting they’ll outsell Tate as well.

Hey, maybe there is room for Tate in that world X Factor thingy taking place in Indonesia that season 1 winner, Melanie Amaro, is competing in. At the same time, you can comfort yourself with the fact that you got to release an album at all.

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  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    I hope Stevens either made great contacts in Nashville so he can stay and do some sort of musical work — or is genuinely content about going home with the memory of this bizarre adventure. (If the latter, he could probably get an indie album out of unpacking it, and it’d be more heart-tugging and interesting than his major-label effort.)

    I’d figured his drop for Labor Day weekend, but hey, maybe Sony’s web hamsters had vacation time scheduled and wanted to do the site updates before hitting the beach.

  • alar borja

    So , would Tate Stevens be the LAST XFactor winner to receive $5M as prize money?
    They do get to keep the winnings ( Melanie Amaro ) w/ or w/o an album ?

  • escape

    Tate Stevens is a dime a dozen in Nashville. There was nothing unique about him. I expect at least one similar fate from Idol in the next few mos.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    So , would Tate Stevens be the LAST XFactor winner to receive $5M as prize money?

    Nope. In S2, the prize was a $5 million recording contract. That’s value of the contract over its life span, which is ordinarily ~5 records. (XFUSA being XFUSA, it may be the total value of the contract, not the value of the advances to the artist.)

    Stevens got whatever advance he was given, as the label just writes advances off as a loss when records don’t make the money back. Likely it was a couple hundred thousand dollars.

    (“Recoupable advance” = the artist doesn’t get mechanical royalties until the label makes its advance back, NOT that the label can claw back money it’s already handed over. If the label correctly booked Stevens’ advance in the expectation that the record wouldn’t pay it back quickly, it’s on the balance sheet as a capital expense, so it doesn’t even affect the profit & loss statement. Only big stars who churn out hit albums quickly go on the income statement as an expense.)

  • Jordana33

    I’m not surprised. The people who vote the most on these shows are usually not the people who listen regularly to current music.

  • elliegrll

    I doubt that ether received 5 million dollars. At first in the UK it was advertised that the winner would receive 5 million dollars upfront, but the first winner said that the contract said that the would get 1 million dollars per album, so if they didn’t release 5 albums, they didn’t receive the their advertised 5 million dollar prize. Simon isn’t an idiot, there’s no way that he wouldn’t have the same arrangement for the US show.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I don’t think people in Indonesia listen to country that much. The organizers of the event tried to get winners and finalists from the latest seasons of XF, but Tate was a no go because of his genre, Carly Rose is too young, Fifth Harmony are too busy … But Melanie was perfect.

  • alar borja

    oh… so it wasn’t 5mil down the drain then if no album produced..Thanks..

  • Incipit

    OK, well, sadly, that’s the XFUS Track Record, isn’t it? They must have the worst A&R liason people in the business. I also hope he made Music City connections and contacts for the future…this seems to be a genuinely nice guy who knew better than to burn any bridges.

    I thought Tate had a really good voice, and his advantage on the show seemed to be that he knew how to use it, what to sing that suited him best. So I didn’t think much of that by-the-numbers album or the Post Show Promotion – looked to me like a minimal investment was made…especially if the prize is NOT independent of the value of the record contract.

    The confusion behind what ‘really’ happens to the Fat Prize Money on that show is probably deliberate – I think they were always parsing the amount and being as ambivalent as possible about the distribution; they wiggle a lot if some asks close questions. There’s a bad taste about that, IMO.

    Still, I don’t think Tate will go back to his old job – I think he gets to do Music for a living now – in whatever capacity he works out. I wish him Good Fortune.

  • alar borja

    I’ve wondered if that was one reason for the scaled back to 1 mil for this Season..
    Appreciate the clarification … thanks !!

  • Mateja Praznik

    Oh and Tate was a hopeless case from the beginning. Too old to start a career. That’s the problem of the Overs. Unless they are like Olly Murs – 25 years old (just over the age limit for the boys category).

  • Madilo

    Who’s next ?

  • alar borja

    which is why I too prefer the age limit of American Idol..

    Maybe in RARE cases.. there is talent that has been hidden from the world..

  • escape

    From Idol, Jessica Sanchez. Her debut sales weren’t any better than Tate Stevens. No 2nd single.

  • Face

    not really surprising…
    as a few posters on here have stated… someone his age was always going to find it hard going… at least those in their teens or early 20s have time on their side to try again… or try a few different projects…
    the overs in the UK talent shows that have had some form of success have tended to either go down the cabaret or west end musical show route… not sure if that’s something a country singer like Tate would consider or be suitable for?

  • Listening

    All that keeps flashing through my mind is how Simon said something like ” I’d be proud to have you win X-Factor” to Tate.

    And as that runs through my mind I keep thinking of what I thought when he said that. Really!?, He’s so boring and his vocals aren’t impressive simply okay.

    Welp that’s that. I guess I noticed something he didn’t. Tate’s a nice guy but he’s kind of blah. I think his backstory of being a family man trying to provide and make it powered him through for the win.

  • Ria.

    My recollection is that Tate made comments during the show that he would have to go back home and find another construction job is he did not win. He never came off as someone who was serious about making a living in music unless all the stars aligned perfectly for him. I won’t be surprised if he just banks the money he made and goes back to a day job.
    He had a good back story that they kept pushing and he always sang well and was not annoying like many of the other XFUS acts are. We need to keep in mind that XFUS does not have a very high viewership. The number of people voting for Tate every week was probably a tiny percentage of the number of people who have voted on other shows.

  • alar borja

    Not sure there’s no 2nd Single from Jessica.. Latest Interviews mention shooting a vid for the next Single

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CxfPp0DJ7MI

    and UMG just got her an OFFICIAL app .. as tweeted.
    Jessica Sanchez ? @JessicaESanchez

    Hi Blujays! I’m really excited to debut my brand new (OFFICIAL!) app! http://smarturl.it/JSanchezApp
    Jessica Sanchez ? @JessicaESanchez
    I’m going to be posting exclusive news, pics, & other exciting things often. Can’t give EVERYTHING away, but I’ve got lots up my sleeve ;)

  • Ria.

    I am sure there are overs who could use exposure on this show to launch a nice career. Like SuBo. I just don’t think Tate is that guy.

  • nncw

    Would it matter to the viewing audience if they had a talent competition that did not predict future stars or at least successful recording artists? Why not give the winner a cash prize up front no strings attached. If they are really crazy talented hopefully they will be picked up by a recording studio once they have received tv exposure.
    On the other hand all the hype about these shows producing – the next big star will need to be reined in – false promises to contestants and viewers.

  • The RON

    Nothing special about Tate Stevens. First he has nothing really special. Generic country. I tuned in every week to see Carly Rose performing. Another really flopped winner. Melanie, Tate…

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    UMG introduced the OFFICIAL Haley Reinhart app on August 22, 2012, when there was talk of “Oh My!” as a second single… and the news that Reinhart had been dropped became public on November 20, 2012.

    A new single now that Sanchez is 18 was the one scenario I thought might lead to the label to give her another real shot, though, so we’ll see.

  • alar borja

    then .. hopefully not a history on repeat !!

  • tripp_ncwy

    Not sure what the label is thinking if true. After here dismal cd & single (even with duet w/ Neo + idol appearance) sales. Way too late in the game.

  • Listening

    Umm I don’t think Tate failed/ did poorly b/c he was old(er) I think it was b/c he was boring and didn’t show anything unique vocally or creatively. Say a 20 year old came out singing and performing exactly like Tate the same thing would of happened.

    There are tons of young teens and 20 somethings that don’t do well. Look at Jessica someone earlier said she didn’t sell more than Tate she’s 17 and Melanie she’s 21 and didn’t have good sales either. It’s not the age it’s the performance and skill level that determines success. Oh and the material if it’s bad it’s just bad and it takes a lot to recover from that. I believe it requires a huge stable/ dedicated fan base. Finally promotion you gotta make people aware you got stuff out there for them.

  • elliegrll

    Tate’s biggest problem was always going to be that neither Simon or the label were going to truly support a 37 year old. But another problem is that like a lot of these contestants the focus was on winning instead of showcasing who they will be once the show ends. Tate did a lot of things on the show that appealed to the typical voter of AI or the X Factor, but he didn’t do a lot to gain the attention of people who program country radio stations, or those who would be willing to buy his music.

  • girlygirl

    Can’t say I’m surprised, but it’s too bad whenever anyone loses their label deal.

    Tate seems like a nice guy. Hopefully he will be able to continue his career in some way, shape or form

  • girlygirl

    From what I understand, these advances are not recoupable.

  • hillbillybill

    Carly Rose was amazing, but my favorite was 5th Harmony, Either one would have been a better winner than Tate Stevens. Both Carly and 5th Harmony have great potential for long term success. The voting blocks that watch these shows that vote for acts like Tate Stevens are next-to-impossible to beat. There is currently a country singer on AGT – not even nearly as good as Tate Stevens – but he keeps advancing. I am worried he will win over some very talented acts. AI, the X-Factor, and AGT need to figure out a solution to this problem.

  • *PrettyAwesome*

    I enjoyed the battle of Tate and Carly on the show. Tate did well on the show to win. I had a feeling after his single flopped, that his album would flop too. I wish him the best.

  • Ria.

    Didn’t Tate sing country every week? I think he did showcase exactly who he is as an artist. I think his votes came mostly from people who like country music.

    I think the problem is there was not a lot of competition and the mentors did a terrible job. The show pushed acts they should not have, and largely ignored (5th H) or quickly kicked off acts that might have been more competitive. CeCe and Paige got way too much hype, Tate got too much support for not being that interesting, Carly should have been pushed to be less Broadway after the first few performances, Vino and Beatrice should not have been booted off the first time they got into danger, and Emblem 3 could have been really impressive if they had performed something original instead of some of the corny over-hyped performances they gave.

  • girlygirl

    Carly Rose has basically disappeared. I know Syco signed her, but it doesn’t seem like they are doing anything to develop her career.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Honestly, I thought Stevens showed us on XFUSA who he was going to be: nice, middle-of-the-road country, trucks, good times, traditional sentiments, pretty much in line with the current rock-influenced country rather than going “traditional” country. Either he did so, or for some reason I expected it anyway.

    His album fit that mold but, weirdly, seemed to have the songwriting perspective of a 24-year-old driving a muscle car and wearing one of those T-shirts that shows off the eagle tattoo on the bicep.

    It’s possible that an album with a much more aggressive slant on having life experience could have gotten more attention… but there’s no compelling reason to think Stevens was yearning to make that album or could have made that album.

  • shell29

    Welp…another one bites the dust I suppose. I think we saw this coming before the confetti rained on Tate’s head…it was obvious that Simon & Co had no interest long term in Tate’s career. Just rush the winner’s album out there, let the chips fall where they may and them drop him later when it inevitably flops.

    No disrespect to Tate (and I wish him the best with his future endeavors) but I can’t say that I blame Simon for wanting to put his eggs in the Emblem3 & Fifth Harmony baskets (even though I really didn’t like E3 all that much during the season).

  • Incipit

    “Didn’t Tate sing country every week? I think he did showcase exactly who he is as an artist. I think his votes came mostly from people who like country music.”

    Absolutely true, Ria – except for those aberrations from his
    “Musical genius Mentor”, Tate was a Primo example of the “Stay in Your Lane” competitor that worked so well for the last few Idol seasons. Country singers who have a decided Twang in their voice have the distinct disadvantage that everything they do sounds country anyway – so they may as well stay in that lane. Everyone can’t do a Jim Neighbors, or even want to.

    OTOH, The album was uninspired and the Promo was lackluster, IMO – - and those are SOP conditions for an XFUS contestant that wasn’t Cowell’s Chosen One(s).

  • nncw

    Well Simon did support Susan Boyle! In a way it is a shame that NA society has such little regard for 37 yo! Mind you seeing Cher boogey on The Voice was a little painful.

  • nncw

    I thought Country was a bit more age forgiving then other music genres.

  • NatSasic

    Yeah, this is an echo for me of what happened in the UK XF Season 7. Simon had his pet act (One Direction) plus Cher Lloyd who he also really pimped. They only came in third and fourth respectively, and yet they’re the ones that were primed for success. Meanwhile that year’s winner Matt Cardle has all but disappeared.

  • Goodvibes27

    Country is really packed with contenders right now. I remember an article on how difficult it was for female artists to break into country. Obviously it is that way for males too.

  • Madilo

    “Matt Cardle has all but disappeared.”
    His duet with Mel C is #7 right now on itunes UK though

  • NatSasic

    Huh, so he is. Where have I been? :P It’ll be interesting to see how that does after a week, since it only went on sale today. His last 4 singles didn’t make top 40. He was still dropped by his label though – I guess that’s the more pertinent point.

  • Sassycatz
  • Madilo

    I don’t care for him, just wanted to bring that info for you lol

  • Ria.

    Recoupment example from wiki:: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoupment

    “With recoupment, the label gives the band $250,000 as before. The album again sells 200,000 copies at $10 each, yielding $2m. The record company takes 90% of this as before, leaving the band with $200,000 – but the record company no longer considers the 90% of sales as repayment of the advance. Instead, the band is required to pay the record company back the advance from their own cut, leaving them in $50,000 debt to the record company – even though the record company has gained $1.8m from the sales percentage.”

    So the artist keeps the original advance in this example of 250k. They just don’t make any additional money off of sales until they have earned that much and more from Royalties.

  • Madilo

    “another one bites the dust”
    that’s the norm now which is so sad

  • Madilo

    she’s done imo but i hope i’m wrong

  • stillcrazy2195

    When asked what he would do with the money if he were to win 5 million dollars, at some point in his XFactor journey, he responded that he would throw a huge party for all his fans who got him there. I live in Kansas City MO and he lives in a town that is in essence a suburb of KC. So last night he put on what was being promo’d as that big party he had spoken of- only catch is that tickets to go to Tate’s party were sold for $25-50.00 so it for real was just a concert that he was referring to as a party- no semblance of “giving back” to his supporters. I certainly dont object to musicians charging for tickets for their concerts, but I was put off by it being framed as being his big “thank you” party for the fans. Charging admission rather negates the concept of it being a gift IMHO.

  • yaddabing

    XF sure is showing to be the ~BIGGEST TELEVISION SHOW ON US TV SHOW THAT PRODUCES NOTHING BUT SUPASTARS EVA~~~ that simon hyped it up to be.

  • mchcat

    Worried about Lauren too

  • catlover84

    Yup, not even that world X Factor event in Indonesia will accept Tate. The only country music we’re listening to here is Taylor Swift. She’s very popular. But then again, she’s not really country. The radio sometimes plays Lady Antebellum’s songs too. But that’s about it.

  • girlygirl

    Well that might apply more to artists being able to continue to have a big career even after they hit 40, 50, 60 or even 70. I’m not sure the genre is any easier for older artists who are just starting their careers to break into.

  • Wfish88

    That didn’t take long. I thought he had less appeal than Melanie…

  • LeoCS

    Anybody noticed someone else on the Sony Nashville Website? Angie Johnson was on S2 of The Voice. She auditioned singing a rock song then she was eliminated on the Battle Rounds. I didn’t know she was a country singer. How did she end up with Sony?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKIC02RIp90

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Very, very true. There are so many new names and I’m afraid most are young, attractive guys. And there are a lot of young beautiful females as well. All of whom seem to be able to sing and play and wow. Scary.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Too bad about Tate, but at least he released an album. Regarding Melanie Amaro, the last report that I’m aware of is that her pics disappeared from the Epic artists page back in 3/10, but the LA Times confirmed that she was still signed by the label. Has there been an update to her status since?

  • merkureye

    I’ve got alot of “I told you so” moments here. But I will largely refrain. But, Sister C was a more commercially viable Country act.than Tate would ever be. That would have meant competing against Simon’s girl group FH so that was not going to happen plus Simon doesn’t like Country. I could see Simon gritting his teeth every time he had to compliment Tate.

    Tate coming in first in voting every week really soured me on the voters ability to discern true commercially viable talent. Unfortunately this trend continued into American Idol’s Season 12. It’s hard to “invest” in these shows with the supposed “winners” we are getting. Of late, the voting demographic for these shows have almost single-handedly destroyed the credibility of talent competitions imo. .

  • Mateja Praznik

    SuBo has a career? Sure, she sold a ton of albums, but by now the novelty wore off and she isn’t even performing. That said, Simon took care of her, so it’s all good. And, she was on BGT and that talent show is different. Acts only perform 3 times and aren’t mentored. X Factor is all about manufacturing a pop star in 3 months or so.

  • Mateja Praznik

    SuBo has a career? Sure, she sold a ton of albums, but by now the novelty wore off and she isn’t even performing. That said, Simon took care of her, so it’s all good. And, she was on BGT and that talent show is different. Acts only perform 3 times and aren’t mentored. X Factor is all about manufacturing a pop star in 3 months or so.

  • *PrettyMeBadd*

    When William Hung who sold 37,676 units during its first week of his debut, that’s not a good sign. At least Tate released an album. Melanie is still waiting.

  • *PrettyMeBadd*

    Should of kept his word and gave a free party or maybe ask for a donation to a charity. Simon is probably cringing that Tate will be performing on next seasons XF.

  • *PrettyMeBadd*

    I really thought that Tate would do ok, but not flop like this. I think his back story of a family man just doing his best was the reason why he won over Carly. I can see why E3 and 5H will have potential. Young and cute.

  • *PrettyMeBadd*

    Answer: Hunter Hayes

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Answer: Hunter Hayes

    Except not, if it’s the answer to being manufactured by A&R.

    Hunter Hayes writes songs, plays scads of instruments, and was on country stars’ radar as an up-and-comer before he hit big. I’m totes not into his music — I think I’ve liked one song — but I have to admit that while Hayes is the beneficiary of sound A&R, he’s not an A&R invention.

  • *PrettyMeBadd*

    I love Carly on the show. But at 14. It’s hard to develop her career. Don’t want to go the sexy Britney route. What is Carly’s genre? She’s not bubble gum music. Maybe Disney? Broadway meets Disney? Maybe a Jackie Evancho meets Disney route? LOL

  • Kenya Smith

    I don’t know where you got your information, but it’s incorrect. Susan Boyle, recently came off of a tour, and is working on her fifth album, so she is still performing.

  • nycguy

    They probably told him to say all that. The goal is to compel people to vote for him, not for them to think it doesn’t really matter.

  • nycguy

    Shoot does that mean Melanie has received NOTHING??

  • Sassycatz

    I’m sure a portion of those CDs Hung sold were as a joke gift, especially if the price was slashed … although I don’t know if it was.

  • elliegrll

    Hasn’t Matt sold more in the UK than Cher Lloyd?

  • Kaylo17

    I’m sure you’re wrong. I think they’re preparing this song as the second single. Even getting her a choreographed routine (that’s from this weekend at H20 Fest) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnVRM_ZiIs8&feature=youtu.be

  • Kaylo17

    And she performed at the H20 festival. Prior to the show, she did an interview and she mentioned that the second single had already been decided.

    One song off her album, ‘Plastic Roses’ has been released as a single in the Philippines, so there was speculation that the same song would be released in the U.S in September.

    However in the H20 interview, she mentioned that the second single wouldn’t be a ballad and would have a Hip Hop feel about it, and there’s only two songs that have a Hip Hop feel on the album. This is the one she’s been performing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnVRM_ZiIs8&feature=youtu.be

  • Jason Gorny

    What a joke the xfactor usa is… simon clearly had too much expectations for the show and ruined it with his large ego. the show would have been better off with simon on it. I mean XF Australia is phenomenal. Hope Tate will be alright. He should be angry at Simon for the lack of supports. Same for Melanie. I doubt that the World X-Factor is going to help us understand what happened with Melanie’s album. UGHHH SIMON.

  • girlygirl

    I’ve always thought Carly Rose is best suited to what she was doing before she went on XF, musical theatre. But at 14, she’s at an awkward age — too old to play the kid roles and too young to play the young adult roles. Of the top of my head I can’t think of too many musicals that have many parts for young teenagers. They could try and get her a part on a Disney/Nickelodeon series, but TBH, I don’t see her as a Disney pop princess, so I don’t know if that would work. It doesn’t seem to have worked for Rachel Crow (not yet, anyway).

    It’s one reason why I think there should be a minimum age limit on XF, Idol, The Voice — it’s just really hard to find a spot in the music industry for a tween/young teen. Once you are 16 or so, there are more avenues open to you (although that still doesn’t guarantee success, of course).

  • girlygirl

    We’ve had too many reality show contestants claim they will be getting another single/album and then it never happens. Hopefully Jessica will get a 2nd single, but forgive me if I’m a little skeptical.

  • Kamokunz

    AMEN to that! It’s not the show’s fault, it’s the voters’ fault to put boring contestants as winners.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    The point in favor of “Gentlemen” as a real second single is that it fits my theory of Sanchez being given a sexier relaunch now that she’s 18.

    By the time Sanchez and her female dancers have grabbed their crotches repeatedly… the song kinda reads as being about issues more intimate than whether a dude has good table manners when on a date.

    The reality that there are ways she can be marketed now that were not appropriate when she was 17 is pretty much the only reason I think we might see a second single. But if it’s not definite by Labor Day, I’d put odds of its ever happening vanishingly low.

  • shell29

    Yeah, I’m skeptical too. Wasn’t there talk of Haley getting a 2nd single (which never materialized) before she was dropped by Interscope? I’ll believe that Jessica’s getting a 2nd single when I see (or hear) it.

    I know ‘Gentlemen’ is a fan favorite but I doubt that song would fare any better than ‘Tonight’ did.

  • Karen C

    There have been country artists in the US that have started after they were 30. Even rock bands like Fun just started to get popular and they are around 30. It’s mainly pop stars that start off younger.

    I also think the overs that are 30 and over are taken far more seriously in the US X Factor than the UK one, where they are mostly treated like jokes.

  • Karen C

    I don’t think the voting demographic has ruined the show at all. It shows that there are many people that like a certain artist. One would need that to be commercially viable no matter what.

    The question is that how many people that liked Tate on the show even knew about his album, and would have bought it if they had known. I think that’s been a problem with all these shows.

    I would think that Melanie would have been more commercially viable that Tate, but that didn’t happen either.

  • Incipit

    “The point in favor of “Gentlemen” as a real second single is that it fits my theory of Sanchez being given a sexier relaunch now that she’s 18.”

    Yeah, that works, or it could. I’m not in her Demo, and wasn’t even slightly interested in the “Performance Songs” Iovine had her singing, so I’m kinda paying minimal attention to that season – but I still check the new music. When her snippets went up, I said “Gentlemen” was the track I could see working for her, kinda had a ‘Beyonce’ feel to it – but I wasn’t considering the age barrier at the time.

    If there’s a way to market Jessica better now that she’s Street Legal – they ought to get on it, IMO. She can learn so much just from performing and working gigs, if she is able. A great voice like that with no consistent way to get experience is a sad thing.

    JMO. Of Course.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Even rock bands like Fun just started to get popular and they are around 30.

    There’s a difference between “hit big at 30-ish” and “got their start from zero prior albums at 40-ish,” though.

    Fun’s first album was released in 2009, when Nate Reuss would have been 26 or 27. Prior to Fun, he’d been releasing music as The Format since 2001, when he’d have been in his very early 20s. Jack Antonoff was in Steel Train, releasing music and touring as opener for “important” indie bands since 2003, when he would have been 19 or 20. Andrew Dost’s earlier band dates from when he was in his late teens. And the guys all knew one another from touring in the same circles.

    Tate Stevens also needed really good material that either (a) built on his “looks like your dad” image or (b) was so amazing as to transcend it. The guys in Fun, at 30, look youngish. If you’re a 25-year-old, they look like people who could be hung out with (and you probably have friends that age). If you want to be 38 and appeal to 25-year-olds… well, Tate Stevens doesn’t exude “sophisticated older man.” He’s really “dad who plays in a cover band on weekends and grounds you if you bring home a D in math.”

  • tripp_ncwy

    This new season of XFUS I am sure Simon will trot out his US finds E3 & 5H as his as his big US successes and breakthroughs regardless of their actual success. Tate will just be a footnote and left out of his vocabulary.

  • No Thanks

    I disagree. The voting demographic may have certain “tastes” but they also not big music buyers either. Like MJ said, just because you can get someone to vote for you for FREE, doesn’t mean they will be willing to BUY your album.

    The viewers of these shows just watch it largely for the fun and the sport of it with their families. They have little to no interest in actually discovering new musical talent.

  • Stooch

    I’m guessing we won’t see Tate doing a return performance on XFUS, this season

  • Incipit

    “Tate coming in first in voting every week really soured me on the voters ability to discern true commercially viable talent.”

    Heh. That’s probably because no one told the voters they were supposed to be a combination unpaid A&R Squad and a Focus Group Survey for “commercially viable talent.” They likely would have said “Bite Me” if they were told, anyway. Because, unpaid, you see.

    The people who even bothered to vote just looked at the cast they were offered by the show, and chose the performances they enjoyed. If the show is unhappy how that turned out – they need to offer a different cast, different music…or get to know their demographic a little better.

    In no way is anything the fault of the voters, I cannot make that compute – they didn’t cast the show or select the music in the first place!

    JMO.

  • Karen C

    I do think the majority of fans just watch the show and don’t buy the music. I do wonder if there is some kind of promotion that can be done for the albums that will reach these viewers and convince them to maybe buy the albums. Personally I’ve talked to a number of people that still don’t know that contestants release original music after being on these shows.

    I also think it’s been proven, though at least with Country music, that there is an audience that watches these shows that will buy the music, since Carrie Underwood, Scotty McCreary, Kelly Pickler, Bucky Covington, and Casey James have all had some success after being on Idol.

  • Ria.

    The voters can only vote on what they are offered. Who should they have voted for? CeCe? Paige? Emblem3? Carly Rose was also in first place some weeks. But the ‘precocious child’ advantage ran its course. Part of Carly’s issue might have been that there were a number of other teenage girls to vote for as well. Meanwhile all the country fans had only one act they cared for, so he had that voting block locked up all season.
    For me, the performances I liked the best were all from the judge’s houses or the auditions. The performances during the voting weeks were mostly forgettable across the board. So it is not that surprising that the Tate ended up winning.

  • Bugme Nomor

    Unlike many of the contestants, he has a family to support. So he would have needed to find a job. Now that he has some name recognition, I doubt he returns to construction work as he’s getting too old for it.

  • Ria.

    Who should the voters have voted for?

  • Bugme Nomor

    The party was apparently before the show.

    Fox 4 KC:

    “Tate put a special Kansas City spin on the pre-concert activities.

    “We’re going do some tailgating, we’ll feed three to four hundred people and just hang out,” explained Stevens.

    “I thought, you know what? We tailgate before Chiefs games and Royals games and things like that, why not do it before a show? So we’ll do that, have a tailgate before the show.” Stevens said.

    Promise kept, and then some.

  • taylor

    “Of the top of my head I can’t think of too many musicals that have many parts for young teenagers.”

    Thirteen, Mary Poppins, A Christmas Story, Annie, Little Women, Matilda…

    Many of the female characters in Spring Awakening started the show when they were 14 or 15, including Lea Michele at 14. Spring Awakening isn’t on Broadway anymore, but there is always a chance it is touring somewhere. Same with several other shows that aren’t currently on Broadway. If shows are going to workshop, and they need young teens in the cast for Broadway, 13-14 is the perfect age. That’s how Lea got cast in Spring Awakening at 14.

    The only opportunities aren’t just shows on Broadway, as there are many more touring shows that go all over the world and numourous shows in development in theatres all over the country.

  • usedtobelucy

    Or in many cases, to much of any music, I expect. Being an ardent tv viewer does not make one an ardent music listener, necessarily. In fact, they might be kind of mutually exclusive, as a rule….. That’s one of the fatal flaws of the whole enterprise, really, I think.

  • merkureye

    Ya know, I’ve never really thought about it before but.I agree. All the performances I liked occurred before the live shows. Once voting came into play, the show was a huge bore. That is a huge problem for the show.

    After the live shows started, the part I liked best was the Internet XF Pre-Show with whoever that guy and girl were and Jim Cantiello. Great guests and live “behind the scenes” interviews. Demi, Britney and even Lyndsey Parker made appearences.

  • Kimba

    I don’t think Disney and Nickelodeon want to start becoming a dumping ground for X Factor children.

  • ladymctech

    Not surprised at all to hear about this

  • L. R. M. L.

    And you are referring to?

  • L. R. M. L.

    ” I expect at least one similar fate from Idol in the next few mos.”
    Are you referring to Lauren Alaina?

  • L. R. M. L.

    are you referring to Lauren Alaina?

  • Montavilla

    There is one that does that. I can’t even remember its name, but MJ covered it for a couple episodes. The concept was that a number of different (non-professional) singers competed for the votes of some bizarre not-quite-professional audience and then had to gamble on whether or not they won their round.

    Honestly, I couldn’t even get through ten minutes of it. I don’t really know why — except that everyone seemed half-assed. Even the jokes auditioners on Idol put more thought and effort into their performances.

  • Montavilla

    Especially since they’ve already got their own brand going.

  • Montavilla

    Hehe. The Osmonds were basically white America’s answer to the Jacksons. But they weren’t completely manufactured — unless it was by their parents. Since Donny was the youngest, he ended up cast as the pre-teen idol.

    I kind of hated the Osmonds at the time, but I’ve grown to respect how Donny kept at it after his initial cuteness wore off. I remember thinking that Simon should have considered him as a judge for X-Factor. He would probably be great at mentoring kid performers.

  • Vetle Hovland

    Sigh. Lyric 145 got robbed. Honestly, I could think of at least 7 or 8 contestants (or even more) from that season who should’ve outplaced Tate or who I would like to see in the market.

    Anyhoo. Scotty did well post-Idol. Do you guys think that Tate simply was too old to really succeed?

  • lkingcorn

    Just curious the type of tour Susan Boyle doing. Saw her on Oprah and it was painful to watch. Add her public meltdowns and one must ask.

  • TheREAL Amanda

    Yes, too old and too bland. Tate is almost 40, married with children. Scotty is young, single. To many of his girl fans that’s a plus. Keith Urban is married with children too, but he has that sex appeal. Tate is just Tate nothing special that stands out. BTW I really liked Lyric 145 too.

  • escape

    There is nothing factual to support that. Haley, who had better sales than Jessica was dropped after 1 CD, 1 single. Pia was dropped with one single. Her CD was never even released. Jessica holds the record for having the poorest sales of all the Top 2 in 11 seasons. In addition, Interscope now has Candice Glover – and things aren’t exactly great for her. Aside from some random appearances, Jessica has been pretty much out of the spotlight. No tour this summer. All the signs are pretty much pointing towards the exit door.

  • taptap

    Yeah, Tate is ‘old’ but Scotty hasn’t got a lick of sex appeal, and that’s odd for someone his age. I find it sort of strange.

  • Karen C

    Scotty also had a coronation single right off of Idol that did very well and even got played on country radio. I think that’s a big part of it. Also, Scotty does stand out because it was unique for someone his age to have the singing voice he does.

  • lkingcorn

    The XFUS is turning into a Dog and Pony Show with Simon the Ring Master cracking his whip. It could have been a really good show if he hadn’t started blaming everyone except himself for its less than stellar reception. Didn’t help letting Paula go. Got to wonder if the baby mama drama will hurt or help. Now it’s become the show that picks losers.

  • Five Skies

    …As opposed to what show who picked winners, exactly?

  • Five Skies

    X Factor Australia is exactly the same as the US version now.

    Probably worse this year, with all the talentless, good looking young ones making it through at other’s expense.

  • Karen C

    I think Tate might still be able to do something in music if he wants, because he does write music, those that write their own music tend to do better in these situations, because they can write for themselves. He might still be able to put music out himself and still have an audience, or even get on a smaller label.

  • Anny_nanny

    Jessica?
    I expect that Interscope will release the album Candice, and then, under the roar of success or failure, we will see the message that Jessica is parting with the label (possibly moving to the Philippines, if her music will have success there).
    Unfortunately I don’t see that somebody is interested in development of Jessica as a strong professional. Neither the label nor her family. I would like to hear the news that she is going to college (and someone finally tells her that singing is not always attempts to cause an avalanche on the other side of the globe) and dancing (sorry but now she moves horrible).
    So far she has only the ability to mimic other singers and a good voice, but the copies are appreciated only in Las Vegas, and singers for the performance of the anthem of the stadiums only AI produces not less than a half a dozen of each season.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Depends on who you ask. I’m not the right age, so I’m not speaking for myself whatsoever, but if you look at the tweets from any of his concerts, there are quite a few young ladies who think he’s adorable, etc., etc.

    On GAC last night, he was #9 on Country’s Sexiest Hunks. Just the messenger here…

  • MarySue

    You might be surprised about what suggestive things people say about Scotty on twitter.

  • Jaejae1

    The voters pick the winners of these shows but its a different audience that buys music. I am pretty sure that there is a distinct disconnect between the music buying demo and the TV watching Demo. I inhabit both: I buy a lot of music. When I am watching these shows, I vote for who I like and for whose music I would buy. Or even if I wouldn’t buy it, do I think other music lovers would buy it. I am a little sad for Tate. Not a follower of country music, I didn’t realize he wasn’t doing so well. But at least he had the chance. That doesn’t often happen at close to 40.

  • CanadianLady

    I believe many people would disagree.

  • CanadianLady

    Sorry for Tate is he has been dropped, but not surprised. Hopefully he can keep making music on a smaller, regional basis at least. Some of my favourite singers have been able to do that.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    If I were doing A&R for McCreery, I’d be thinking hard about Rick Astley. Similar look (allowing for the difference in eras and genres), similar uncanny deep voice… Astley’s a bit of a punchline these days, but he was big back in the day, and the kind of “old-fashioned romance” he sold in his hits is something McCreery could handle without it hitting his “not too sexay” hot buttons.

    Hell, I’d be getting a producer drunk on tequila manhattans and looking into putting McCreery at his most trad-country over a dance beat that mixes EDM with steel guitar.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Laughing…it will be interesting to see what Scotty sings, how far he goes into the sexay, as he gets older.:))

  • L. R. M. L.

    One way or the other, Scotty will do it his way.

  • L. R. M. L.

    And I’m 1 of them who does disagree.

  • L. R. M. L.

    Girls fall all over him at concerts, Twitter and even School. Even grandmas find him very sexy and are his biggest fans. Just saying.

  • NatSasic

    Well, he’s released two albums that went platinum and silver – so he’s somewhere in the 360-600k range total. Cher’s one album has already sold 600k worldwide and charted in the UK, US, Canada, Australia, NZ and Japan. Her singles have all sold in the hundreds of thousands/millions. From that, I’d say Cher’s the more successful of the two (and she’s still signed).

  • taptap

    Just speaking for myself. He’s so clean he squeaks, and I suppose that’s appealing to some, but not to me. I guess I like a little bit of bad in my boys. And I can’t forget that kissing the cross thing (ew) when Gaga was a mentor, as though he was scared to death of her.

    eta: re the country’s sexiest, I think he’s just there to balance out the old dudes with snuff in their back pockets.

  • CanadianLady

    I married someone a lot like him 41 years ago. Still happily married. :) Sexy is in the eye of the beholder.

  • taptap

    This is what I mean. How many teenagers *now* are interested in the the kind of guy you married circa 1972? He seems terribly dated to me, both in terms of look and voice. Between looking like Alfred E. Neuman, the kissing the cross thing, and the froggy voice (Little Rascals, another blast from the past), he seems like a caricature to me.

    Hunter Hays seems to be the country type the girls go for. Scotty I think appeals to the girl’s mothers and grandmothers because he reminds them of the guy they married in 1972.

  • b_james

    Another $5mil down the drain…

  • taptap

    Someone who could actually generate demand (for album sales and concert tickets, etc.) in the industry?

    This is the primary problem with reality singing contests. The viewers aren’t a big overlap for music purchasers, and the voters are even less so. The winners don’t end up doing well in the industry (with a few exceptions) and then two things happen: a) the show loses credibility, and b) the voters get pissed because they think their votes must equate to a successful artist.

    Like FOX news, people reinforce their ideas and preferences online with other like-minded viewers/voters, and then make the mistake of thinking they’re representative of ‘America’. And then they’re always shocked when they find they’re not. Often they refuse to believe reality is other than the way they see it in their own insulated bubble.

  • CanadianLady

    You really have an interesting perception of Scotty. I see nice-looking, highly intelligent, terrific voice, great sense of humour, athletic, not into “drama,” compassionate, smart, family-oriented, grounded, self-aware, determined, and spiritually-minded. All of which I like.

  • elliegrll

    Cher is still signed, but so far her accomplishments haven’t matched the hype. And even though you brought up other countries, it’s not like Cher has done a lot in the US, I don’t think that she sold as many albums in the UK as Matt sold.

  • taptap

    I do see a caricature from his looks and personality and voice, but I also see a few of the things you list above. I just don’t think being athletic and not into drama has anything to do with being an interesting musical artist.

    As for being highly intelligent, I’ve seen no evidence of that, and in fact just the opposite when I read about him offering his agent 2%. Anyone who can afford it can go to college – as a child of immigrants with 3 degrees, I know this for a fact. Get a PhD and I’ll be impressed.

    Like I said, I like a bit of bad in my boys, while by your very definition, Scotty is the opposite of that. He’s the kind of kid that a girl’s parents and grandparents would like, which is fine and good for the parents and grandparents, I guess. ¯_(?)_/¯

  • taptap

    Nothing fans say or do surprises me any more.

  • stillcrazy2195

    The catch was that you could only access “the party” by first purchasing a ticket…. The area was not open for nonticket holders.

  • L. R. M. L.

    Scotty is all that and more. Some people may disagree and it’s their prerogative.

    He’s got a daily growing fan base of young girls, men, young and old and yes grandmas and grandpas who are wishing that their grandchildren turn out as nice as Scotty.
    Scotty is the whole package. I wont even go into comparing him to Hunter Hayes.

  • Madilo

    “He’s got a daily growing fan base…”

    No need to worry for somophore album then ouf !

  • Madilo

    mdrrr

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Scotty is the whole package. I wont even go into comparing him to Hunter Hayes.

    Smart move. Hunter Hayes is a songwriter who plays multiple instruments and has at least one Grammy nomination, who “paid his dues” in the country industry before hitting big. Scotty McCreery is a reality-show winner with an interesting voice and a pleasant personality, but no proven songwriting chops and no significant pre-Idol experience.

    McCreery faces the same basic problems as Tate Stevens, except that he’s younger (so there’s at least potential teen appeal), he came off a more popular show (bigger fan base out of the gate), and he doesn’t write (so he’s definitely whatever A&R makes him).

    Also, Hunter Hayes gets radio play, an issue that thwarted Tate Stevens and that looks to be giving McCreery some trouble.

  • Ria.

    The voters can only vote for the contestants that are on the show. If no one from a season sells any music, that is not on the voters. That is on the producers who didn’t give them good options. If the voters ‘vote for the wrong people’ then it would be up to the record companies to snatch up all those clearly deserving snowflakes and give them record contracts and massive promotion anyway.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Scotty does write. He wrote his current single, and is listed on a number of other possible cuts on his future album.

    Whenever someone starts comparing HH and Scotty, I do think of the two years difference in age and the many more years of musical experience on HH’s side–so perhaps give Scotty more time?

    I am actually amazed Hunter can write at all given that he’s lived a very atypical life, not “normal” in so many ways, but that may also be part of being what I see as a prodigy (which definitely has its ups and downs). One thing I think is downplayed is that HH has had five independent albums before this, lots of experience so again, can’t compare exactly.

  • taptap

    Producers give what their viewers want. I think the producers wish they had a viewing/voting demo that more closely approximated the mainstream music purchasing population, but if they ever did, they no longer do. I think they’ve just decided to ride the horse they have for another season or so then throw in the towel. It’s still making money, even though it’s niche gets narrower and narrower each season.

  • L. R. M. L.

    Yes Scotty does write. He has co-written See You Tonight his current single. He has also co-written 5 or 6 more songs which may turn up on his sophomore album.
    Also Scotty is going up the chart right now despite the fact that he doesn’t get the push from his label that Hunter Hayes gets.
    Let’s put it this way, if the latter would have gone to American Idol auditions, he most likely may not have made it past the cattle call. He’s a terrific songwriter but not a good singer.
    I think a lot of people don’t give the recognition that Tate Steven and Scotty deserve to have gone through reality shows like they did.

  • taptap

    lolol of course Hunter Hays probably wouldn’t have made it through Idol. That’s the point.

  • Cezar Mart

    It appears to me Tate became yet another victim of tribal voting in the American reality show system. People vote not for most potentially successful artists, but for people they consider as one of their own kind, no matter how mediocre the person is. Country people vote for country, southerners vote for southerners, etc. A vote has no consequence, no obligations to follow and support the artist in the future and to buy records. It’s a typical tribal approach which in the long turn hurts the artists and hurts the show.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    I think a lot of people don’t give the recognition that Tate Steven and Scotty deserve to have gone through reality shows like they did.

    If Tate Stevens’ survival of the indignities that comprise XFUSA had netted him a substantial dedicated fanbase, they would presumably have bought his album, since he got it out before they had time to forget him.

    For years I’ve defended labels’ “compromise between fan expectations and radio appeal” approach to reality-winner albums because it is a reasonable, justifiable conservative approach. It also sets the second album up for failure. I now think labels need to go balls-to-the-wall on radio-friendliness on the first album and let the fans sort themselves out.

    This wouldn’t have solved Cook’s challenges, since his coronation song was a major hit in the wrong format (indeed, it probably would have made his artistic life much more frustrating), but it could only have done good for McCreery and couldn’t have made Stevens’ fate worse (he got kinda generic “like other stuff on the radio” songs rather than anything that stands out).

    If A&R has no good radio ideas, lock the singer in the studio with a producer for two weeks and let ‘em do whatever they want, since it won’t matter in the long run anyway.

  • windmills

    L.R.M.L. Also Scotty is going up the chart right now despite the fact that he doesn’t get the push from his label that Hunter Hayes gets.

    Let’s
    put it this way, if the latter would have gone to American Idol
    auditions, he most likely may not have made it past the cattle call.
    He’s a terrific songwriter but not a good singer.

    Hunter is not where he is because his label gave him more of a radio push than Scotty’s label gave him. Hunter is where he is because his songs hit the demo radio was chasing, because after years of dues paying & landing a cut on a Rascal Flatts before he even had a deal, because after all those years of working on music Hunter’s album is a more clearly realized statement of who he is from a lyrical, production, and musical standpoint than Scotty’s is, and because Hunter’s 1st few singles didn’t sandbag his career the way Scotty’s 1st few (especially his 1st 2 singles) sandbagged his. Hunter got on a roll, a roll that Scotty’s never been able to get on when he was at his point of highest momentum.

    That being said, I disagree about Hunter being a terrific songwriter. He’s an OK lyricist with a very good ear for melody and a terrific musician. The other thing he has going for him is being really savvy and smart about all aspects of his career. Hear him talk about his upcoming headlining tour, this is a guy with an overall career vision, a great sense of how to build one. Combine that with a certain amount of musical talent and that’s why Hunter’s taken as seriously as he is right now. But don’t confuse that with everybody in the industry being a fan of his, because that is *far* from the case.

  • Listening

    Tate is no victim he got 5 million out of this. Ok he might feel a
    little bit embarrassed at selling so few albums and being dropped immediately. But he’ll console himself by rolling in that money and knowing he can provide for his family which is what he said was his goal. I think the fact that he was country which is the vibe, sound, culture many people love contributed but I believe just as much as his back story dude trying to provide for his family w/ his “last chance” at music. And that isn’t just down to southerners many Americans root for the “underdog”.

  • Incipit

    “Tate is no victim he got 5 million out of this.”

    Sure, Tate is no victim, but on the 5Mil? – I don’t think so.

    I wonder if Cowell’s PR people ever regret that 5Mil focus he pushed so hard in the beginning?Now they are stuck in an endless loop, explaining away the fact that it isn’t really 5 Mil at all.

    With the way the structure for the prize was explained to depend on successive albums and the recent revisions in the value coming out of XFUS, I think it has always been a murky area, for who gets how much – when the dust settles, it wouldn’t surprise me if Tate walked away with the Non-Recoupable advance money, and not much more, TBH.

  • Karen C

    I don’t think it’s tribal voting, I think it’s voting for who someone likes. It’s more likeablility and genre. And I think that’s the way it should be, let the public vote for who they like best. That’s also part of marketability, finding someone the public likes.

    Whatever happens after the show is in part the job of the label and management after the show.

  • taptap

    Ab-so-lutely!

  • Listening

    Oh they definitely regret it now that they had to reduce it to 1 million. That shows oh we made a mistake our show can’t support that kind of deal.

    And I never liked the fact they focused on the five million it over shadowed the record deal. Hmm maybe that’s why sales has been so poor for the winners the voters actually thought that the five million was the only prize

    But seriously always wanted the focus on the record deal made the show seem more legit and less gimmicky.

  • CanadianLady

    I certainly hope so. (BTW, my my fav, singers include Hank Sr and Jr, Toby Keith, and Johnny Cash, but I can fit Scotty with them just fine.)

    And I sure hope Tate has found a niche of fans that will continue to support him.

  • CanadianLady

    Doubt very much he got even 1 million out of this. I’m guessing there was a a lot of fine print.

  • taptap

    That sort of proves my point that Scotty is, unlike, Hunter, not contemporary. As long as their are fans that like the old-style country, there’s no problem with that. Hunter plays to a more contemporary demo, and that seems to be a good thing for him in terms of success. I have no idea where the real country fan interest lies, though. If it’s in the old-school style, Scotty should be fine, too.

  • L. R. M. L.

    I’m not sure how Tate’s thread now has a discussion about Scotty but thank you Windmills for your insight.
    I guess we all have our own way of looking at thing and from my perspective Hunter has nothing on a lot of other less successful singers (not even talking about Scotty right now).
    I know you have so much more knowledge of music than I do but on this one, we will have to agree to disagree on some points.
    Don’t get me wrong, I like Wanted and Somebody’s Heartbreak but you will never convince me that he didn’t make it where he is right now without the fact that he was chosen as a Radio’s “darling” and with a LOT of extra promotion from his label.
    But like I said let’s agree to disagree.

  • jimmy timko

    stevens was really never that good and does not have MASS audience appeal – would never spend a dime to go see him (Yawner)!!

  • Anthony Millsaps

    I’m not shocked one bit Tate Stevens was released by RCA Nashville after his two singles bombed on the Country Billboard Charts, but I am surprised that Melania Amaro hasn’t gotten her album out yet. I’m afraid she may lose out on the popularity she built during Season 1. One person commented that Tate Stevens was a dima a dozen singer in Nashville and I absolutely agree. Melanie Amaro however has the goods to be a real Pop star if she can get her album out soon and it has some hit songs perhaps. I’ve heard a few of her newest singles and I was like Yikes! Not Good! She is far too talented to churn out mediocre music.

  • Anthony Millsaps

    These singing contests frustrate me sometimes because people get caught up in the contestants backstory and vote because they either feel sorry for them or the singer is just decent but they’re incredibly likeable like Tate Stevens was. He was humble, a country singer and America ate it up while stronger contestants suffered because of it. Emblem 3 and Fifth Harmony are already having success and it’s a testiment to their talent, not their backstory. Even Carly Rose Sonenclar is working on an album. She was my favorite from Season 2

  • Anthony Millsaps

    I enjoyed Haley Reinhart’s song “Free” off her debut album Listen Up. The rest of the songs just didn’t click for me. Her jazzy/pop vibe isn’t marketable I guess. She’s got a fantastic raspy voice and has got the looks though

  • snokb04

    Gretchen Wilson was solidly in her 30′s when she started if we want to stick to the same genre. Tate debuted at #4 on the country music charts when his album dropped even though there was barely any publicity surrounding it. That is hardly a failure. The problem with music today is people who think you have to be 16-19 years old and twerking in your videos in order to be relevant even though the singers can’t hardly carry a note without autotune. If music these days wasn’t geared toward children there would be no reason that someone over 25 couldn’t have a #1 album.