Again, the same thing could be said about sex apeal.
Not that women are generally attracted to men is arguable but that it has an impact on the voting of these shows.

A few years (months or week depending on the person), people would revolt just like you’re doing about the “hormonal” argument, and they were as dismissive as you are about cattiness and women not supporting other women.

As far as your last sentence, I think you’ve understood that I’ve separated what is unarguable and what is, but I guess it’s better to shut down the whole argument.

I think there’s a misunderstanding here.
You are assuming that when I say “this is another exemple of women hating on women” or when I say that cattiness exists, that I imply that all women are catty and jaleous creatures. I think both statements are quite different and I don’t recognize the second one at all.

Just like I said previously, women are capable to support each other just like a woman can win a popularity contest which is majoritarly voted on by women.
I say that jaleousy among women exists just like women voting based on hormones exist and that contributes to the voting descrepency seen on these shows.

If there are 100 women voting and 10 are voting because of shallow reasons, it’s enough to make the votes go majoritarly in favor of male contestants.

I do think that women hating on other women on these shows is a factor that explains the voting bias. Not the same as saying that all women hate other women.

Now if you want to believe men are in general more talented than women, you can, that’s one explanation.

It’s not that I think men are more talented, it’s that I like the sound of a male’s voice better.  I don’t dislike most female singers, I just prefer male singers’ voices.  Last year my favorite was Little Mix and and in season 4 of AI I liked Carrie Underwood, but yeah, generally I prefer male singers. It isn’t all about talent.

 ….gender biases are all other things being equal meaning the exact same human being with the same social origins and the same level of performances but as a woman will do worse than a man on these singing shows… The explanations themselves they don’t say a word, just that’s mighty difficult to change and the reaon why is IMO the nature of the voting public.

Valentin432, if my tone seemed condescending to you – you misread my exasperation….but now you’ve been condescending right back, “without fully grasping what’s going on” – explaining Gender Bias to a person who has experienced it all her life, including in the field of music and entertainment – so we’re even in that regard. *snerk*

So you know the site, you know the facts, you know that degree of exposure has a higher ratio to retention than ANY other factor – and yet you think that Gender Bias is independent from every other factor – as a special circumstance of Reality Shows and Inter-Gender jealousy? No, you can’t help me – you are correct – because I won’t be believing in that one. It has no moving parts.

Perhaps statistics is the wrong place to look for answers, but the sociology of groups or the psychology of individuals or a culture’s effects on human behavior as they relate to Reality Show voting doesn’t have a reputable study anyone has done, AFAIK – so it’s wide open to opinions. I know this is likely true, because I have twice asked you for the links you based your unqualified statement on…and Nada.

And since you seem completely married to your meme that “3 new ways to show how singing shows are biased towards male performers, women hating on women, nothing new” – - or the retrenched statement – “the tendency of women resenting women easier than men.” with no supporting facts – just a stereotyped assumption, based on anecdotal observation – Well, I can’t help ‘you’ either. I think the examples you offer are selective and self-confirming – and I won’t be condescending and explain Confirmation Bias. *wink*

Actual people can tell you differently – have already done so in this thread – but I won’t confuse you with the facts when your mind is made up…and that’s not condescension – that’s snark.

We will definitely have to disagree – Like varying takes on The Kiss Principle,  I suppose Occam’s Razor can look differently from different points of view as well…perhaps Hickam’s Dictum applies better. And perhaps it’s just as well that this thread has now scrolled off the front page.

IMO.

I wrote a long reply that was eaten by the system, so I’m going to try to keep it short.

The gist of it:
Sorry if you were offended by my comment, I didn’t mean that you weren’t able to grasp gender bias because you didn’t experience it in yor life but that you didn’t fully understood what that particular analysis entailerd.
About the exposure thing.
The principal point is: it does matter but if a guy and girl gets the same level of exposure the guy will go further and have a better shot to win.
The level of exposure for contestants is almost the same for the girls and guys as a group accross seasons and series, that’s what explains the actual gender bias.
What WNTS is advocating for is that the producers heavily tip the balance towards women in the pre live show pimping just to try to rebalance the votes, IMO that’s not a good solution because you can’t force feed your audience women contestants if their not receiptive to it (see AI season 9)

In conclusion, the level of exposure doesn’t explain the gender bias in these shows so other explanations are required, you can not accept my explanations, you’re right that there aren’t any studies on the subject that I know of, just like there aren’t any studies about the influence of “hormonal’ voting in this bias, so free to you to disagree.