Every weekend, there are countless countdown shows. VH1’s top 20 videos. Ryan’s American Top 40. Rick Dee’s Weekly Top 40 and many more. If you find an Idol on one of these shows, please post it here! (all countdown stats collected by tripp_ncwy. Thanks!)

VH1 Top 20 Music Video Countdown 10.01.2011
Rumor Alert! VH1 Premier Kelly Clarkson “Mr Know It All”

Fuse Top 20 Music Video Countdown (09.27.2011)
#1 Maroon 5/Christina Aguilera “Moves Like Jagger” [5|1(3x)] [+1]
#3 Gym Class Heroes/Adam Levine “Stereo Hearts” [5|3] [+1]

CMT Top 20 09.30.2011:
#01 “Remind Me” Brad Paisley with Carrie Underwood
#04 “God Gave Me You” Blake Shelton
#06 “I Love You This Big” Scotty McCreery
#14 “Like My Mother Does” Lauren Alaina

CMT Top High Five Countdown 09.26.2011:
The top five CMT.com videos for each week
#02 “God Gave Me You” Blake Shelton
#04 “Remind Me” Brad Paisley with Carrie Underwood

GAC Top 20 Country 09.30.2011:
#05 “I Love You This Big” Scotty McCreery
#06 “Remind Me” Brad Paisley w/ Carrie Underwood
#08 “God Gave Me You” Blake Shelton
#09 “Like My Mother Does” Lauren Alaina

CMT Pure 12-Pack 09.30.2011:
#01 “I Love You This Big” Scotty McCreery
#09 “Remind Me” Brad Paisley with Carrie Underwood
#10 “Like My Mother Does” Lauren Alaina

Crook & Chase Country Countdown – Week 40 – October 1, 2011
#08 “God Gave Me You” Blake Shelton

Note: American Idol winner Scotty McCreery previews his new CD and tells how the songs reflect his young age.
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10/01/11 Kelly Clarkson Appears On MTV Show “10 On Top” @ 8:30AM PST / 11:30AM EST !!!

 
  • tripp_ncwy

    VH1 Playlist Week: of 9/27/11 – 10/03/11

    ADDS/Rotation
    ADELE “Someone Like You” (GUNG HO)
    KELLY CLARKSON “Mr. Know It All” (LARGE)
    OH LAND “White Nights” (ON)
    THE HEAD AND THE HEART “Blood Pressure” (ON)

  • jpfan

    It’s a little early but I’m going to try to predict Scotty’s first week.
    I’m going with between 75-85K. Someone posted that country albums don’t have blow out first weeks so that sounds about right. Of course, his promo this week could push the numbers up.

    (Looked it up and Lee sold 49K his first week and Kris sold 80K.)

  • tripp_ncwy

    VH1 did premier KELLY CLARKSON “Mr. Know It All” today after the #18 video on the countdown. Jim gave her a great intro mentioning her album & its release date. Great seeing Kelly back on the countdown.

  • Kirsten

    It’s a little early but I’m going to try to predict Scotty’s first week.
    I’m going with between 75-85K.

    Sounds about right. If you consider that Blake Shelton sold just 116K a few weeks after The Voice ended for the season and he had a number one single at the time (and he had just finished winning CMA’s Male Vocalist of the year), 75-85K seems like a reasonable estimate for Scotty months after he was on the show especially for the same genre. People no longer automatically purchase the winner’s CD.

    His EP opened with 40,408 from Walmart.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Rick Dees Top 40 (10.01.2011)
    #01 Moves Like Jagger Maroon 5 f/Christina Aguilera
    #06 Stereo Hearts Gym Class Heroes f/Adam Levine
    #24 Mr. Know It All Kelly Clarkson
    #34 I’m Into You Jennifer Lopez f/Lil Wayne
    #40 Right There Nicole Scherzinger
    SS Not Over You Gavin Degraw

    Rick Dees HOT ADULT (10.01.2011)
    #01 Moves Like Jagger Maroon 5 f/Christina Aguilera
    #11 Mr. Know It All Kelly Clarkson
    #38 Stereo Hearts Gym Class Heroes f/Adam Levine
    #39 Don’t You Wanna Stay Jason Aldean With Kelly Clarkson

  • larc

    Danny Gokey’s My Best Days sold 65,231 in its first week. Since Danny wasn’t the winner, wasn’t as popular as Scotty seems to be, wasn’t seen by many as authentic country and didn’t have any of the Bieber factor going for him, I expect Scotty’s album will fare significantly better. Without going out on a limb and predicting a range, I do think CAD will capture the record for most opening-week sales for a male country debut album. Billy Ray Cyrus holds that record now with 90K of Some Gave All sold in its premiere week in 1992.

  • lili_anne7

    It’s a little early but I’m going to try to predict Scotty’s first week.
    I’m going with between 75-85K.

    Wow, Really? I would think Scotty’s sales would be much higher than that. Here’s my prediction for Scotty and Lauren:

    Scotty – 130-150k
    Lauren – 40-60k

  • Kirsten

    Scotty – 130-150k
    Lauren – 40-60k

    I think you are a bit high for Scotty and I think Lauren will do at least 1/2 (more closer to 2/3rds) of Scotty’s sales. That’s how her first week’s have been trending so far.

  • larc

    lili_anne7 says:
    Scotty – 130-150k

    That could be closer to what we’ll see. With the special ZinePak in addition to regular copies of CAD, Walmart alone could sell 50K. 10K more than Scotty’s EP did in its first week wouldn’t be at all surprising.

  • windmills

    After seeing the 1st week sales for Luke Bryan and Eric Church (145k apiece without a lot of mainstream TV, or any in Eric Church’s case), Blake’s 1st week sales for Red River Blue were an underperformance for the amount of promo he had. Blake is the rare country star who is more of a singles seller than an album seller and he’s never sold as many albums as you’d think he should based on his radio play.

    Scotty fans have already had the chance to buy an EP so they’ve got product with his name on it. That’ll reduce the “event” factor of his album release even though Clear As Day is not a bunch of covers.

    Country albums may not explode out of the gate but AI debuts are about AI fanbases. I’ll be surprised and disappointed if Scotty doesn’t hit 100k 1st week. I lean to thinking if he can sell 40k 1st week of an unpromoted Walmart exclusive, he should be able to top 100k for Clear As Day easy. If he doesn’t, I’ll be blaming TTWG.

  • merkureye

    Carrie Underwood’s first album after AI S4 (Some Hearts) sold 314,000 copies in the first week of release, the most of any new country artist. Of course Some Hearts has now sold over 7 million copies. There is something special about SH that just wasn’t captured in the 2 subsequent CDs for Carrie, although CR and PO have done well.

    Maybe it was the magic of being a recent AI winner and the eclectic nature of the first CD (Wasted, Don’t Forget to Remember Me, I Ain’t in Checotah Anymore, Lessons Learned, Jesus Take the Wheel). It also gave Carrie her anthem, Before He Cheats.

    Carrie’s record producer is also producing Scotty’s first album as well. Maybe Scotty’s album will be special too.

  • lili_anne7

    I think you are a bit high for Scotty and I think Lauren will do at least 1/2 (more closer to 2/3rds) of Scotty’s sales. That’s how her first week’s have been trending so far.

    Scotty has been selling pretty well at Walmart with zero promotion. Next week, he’s going to be all over the place. I expect a number that’s at least over 100k. I do believe Scotty will sell within my prediction, or maybe even more. As for Lauren, I just don’t see that much buzz for her, so I’m expecting sales within that range.

  • jpfan

    I know zip about country but if people who do think he’ll break 100K, that seems reasonable. He appears to be a popular winner. In my non-country world, he’s nonexistent but the big promo coming up should change that.

  • eyelinerandcigarettes

    Hmmm I think 130K is too high for Scotty. I think he will sell within the 90K-110K range.

    If he exceeds that, I will be a happy camper.

  • Buffynut

    If Blake sold 116K coming right offf The Voice, than I think all the above estimates are too high, for Scotty.
    If he even reaches 80,000, I would be surprised.

  • tripp_ncwy

    That could be closer to what we’ll see. With the special ZinePak in addition to regular copies of CAD, Walmart alone could sell 50K. 10K more than Scotty’s EP did in its first week wouldn’t be at all surprising.

    Would fans buy the ZinePak & the regular cd since the cd itself is the same? I would think they would buy one or the other since there are no additional bonus tracks to be gained.

  • gangreen29

    If Blake sold 116K coming right offf The Voice, than I think all the above estimates are too high, for Scotty.

    The Voice was watched by half the viewers that idol was, so I’m not sure why everyone is using it as this great barometer.

  • larc

    tripp_ncwy says:
    Would fans by the ZinePak & the regular cd since the cd itself is the same? I would think they would buy on or the other.

    Of course they would. I was just pointing out that Walmart will have both available for whichever happens to rock the customer’s boat.

  • CanadianLady

    No real idea, either, but my gut instincts would put him over 100,00 for sure. And going up from there.

    Basis being the fact that people at the Live Shows seemed to really be Scotty fans, 30,000 turning up for his home visit, ILYTB going gold, nearly 200,000 Walmart EPs, his huge fb and Twitter numbers, the very strong reviews for the CD which are turning up all over the place, and the pr he’s getting.

    Not saying he’ll match Carrie because the times have changed, but I think he’s going to do very well.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Currently Scotty is #1 CAD (Deluxe), #8 CAD & #15 AI EP on Walmart Music’s best sellers list.

    Lauren’s Wildflower is #38 & AI EP #57.

  • ptebwwong

    Would fans buy the ZinePak & the regular cd since the cd itself is the same?

    Yes. According to Walmart’s website the #1 bestselling album in all genres is Scotty’s ZinePak album. His regular album is the #8 bestselling album overall.

  • eyelinerandcigarettes

    ^ His album is also currently sitting at #93 right now. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing.

  • Kirsten

    I went digging around for predictions elsewhere, and areyoureadytojump over at Pulse (well known poster) says that industry experts are expecting 128K for Scotty (250K for Kelly).

    It was posted on the September 19th and the prediction also included 150K for Tony (he did 179K last week) and 109K for Demi (she did 96K last week) so those turned out to be reasonably true.

    The post also predicts 117K for Pia (which is whack if Scotty is only selling 128K) and 175k for Martina (same week as Lauren). SuBo is getting a 300K prediction. (Pulse)

    Yes. According to Walmart’s website the #1 bestselling album in all genres is Scotty’s ZinePak album. His regular album is the #8 bestselling album overall.

    There is a Walmart every 2 miles. I can’t imagine they sell many CDs through their website. you can probably sell 100 CDs and top that chart. Panicked buying (fans thinking that there will be a run at the store so they are buying advanced copies) and fans wanting to make their Idol look good can easily swamp that chart. Amazon and iTunes are also deceptive, but I think there pre-orders are more predictive. But again, the Amazon numbers are not all that significant in the scheme of things.

  • ptebwwong

    According to Pulse Music Board, an industry insider expects these numbers for the 1st weeks of their albums:

    Tony Bennett 150k
    Young Jeezy 187k
    Demi Lovato 109k
    Chickenfoot 190k
    Blink 182 119k
    Wilco 111k
    May J Blige 182k
    Scott McCreery 128k
    Evanescence 175k
    Casting Crowns 120k
    Pia Toscano 117k
    Kelly Clarkson 250k

    These numbers seem like logical expectations since Tony Bennett did open up with about these numbers. Apparently, they’re expecting Scotty to definitely beat Billy Ray’s record by a lot. I can see this as long as he sells at least half of the ZinePak albums which is the #1 bestseller right now. So it’s entirely possibly once other retailers are counted.

    I think they’re expecting too much for Pia. I didn’t see any expectation numbers for Lauren.

  • Buffynut

    gangreen29 says:

    10/01/2011 at 10:29 am

    If Blake sold 116K coming right offf The Voice, than I think all the above estimates are too high, for Scotty.

    The Voice was watched by half the viewers that idol was, so I’m not sure why everyone is using it as this great barometer.

    I used Blake because he is a big country star and has a fanbase. I just don’t think Scotty’s fanbase is probably as big, so I wouldn’t expect him to do as much as Blake. I hope I am wrong. I want to see Idol have a successful winner. I am an idol Loon, even though I am not a country fan.

  • Elliegrll

    If Blake sold 116K coming right offf The Voice, than I think all the above estimates are too high, for Scotty.
    If he even reaches 80,000, I would be surprised.

    As others have said, coming from AI will inflate Scotty’s numbers, so he will sell more than the average new country artist. He’ll get the casual and hardcore AI viewers, who don’t listen to country music, plus he’ll benefit from having ILYTB played being played on country stations over the past few months.

  • lili_anne7

    Pia Toscano 117k

    WTF? LMAO, if Pia sells that much, I will be extremely shocked.

  • wordnerdarchie

    There’s a lot of factors to consider with Scotty’s sales, too many for me to put a number out there. But just checking the various presale #s, he should do very well.

    iTunes presale #2 behind Jack’s Mannequin for CDs to release October 4.

    Amazon – #16 on Bestseller’s list and in top 100 for 48 days

    Walmart – #1 with Zinepak & #2 presale of CD.

  • windmills

    Kirsten: 175k for Martina (same week as Lauren)

    Miranda (out 11/1), not Martina. On her last album Shine Martina sold 41k copies 1st week and had sold 180k as of June 2010 when it was selling less than 1.5k copies a week. Martina’s on a new label now which will pull out the stops in terms of promotion but I think Lauren will have higher 1st week sales.

    Buffynut: I used Blake because he is a big country star and has a fanbase.

    If you looked at Blake’s album sales before The Voice then you wouldn’t think he has a bigger fanbase than Scotty.

  • luly

    According to Pulse Music Board, an industry insider expects these numbers for the 1st weeks of their albums:

    Tony Bennett 150k
    Young Jeezy 187k
    Demi Lovato 109k
    Chickenfoot 190k
    Blink 182 119k
    Wilco 111k
    May J Blige 182k
    Scott McCreery 128k
    Evanescence 175k
    Casting Crowns 120k
    Pia Toscano 117k
    Kelly Clarkson 250k

    HDD Sales Estimates for this week for 2 of this albums:
    *Blink-182 (Interscope) 130-150k
    *Chickenfoot (eOne) 40-45k

    So this predictions are not more accurate than our guesses.

  • ptebwwong

    If Blake sold 116K coming right offf The Voice, than I think all the above estimates are too high, for Scotty.

    I don’t think it’s too high for Scotty considering Idol is watched each week by usually 10 million more people than The Voice. Idol is also a bigger name & brand than The Voice.

    Many people bought “Honeybee” which was Blake’s 1st single than buying his album. The song went gold (500,000). Since “Honeybee” was high on the Hot 100 chart & Blake was seen on The Voice, many people might not be country fans, but just liked that song.

  • Kirsten

    Miranda (out 11/1), not Martina.

    Oops! Thanks for catching my error.

    Since “Honeybee” was high on the Hot 100 chart & Blake was seen on The Voice, many people might not be country fans, but just liked that song.

    Couldn’t the same happen to Scotty and Lauren? Fans of Idol liking them on the show, but not enough of a Country fan to buy an entire Country album? Plus, people have had several months to lose the excitement of the win to buy an album in a genre they don’t normally listen too.

    Blake had a number one single. IIRC it was getting an AI of over 50M a week and there abouts for quite some time. Those are listeners that would actually buy a country album.

  • eyelinerandcigarettes

    Whoa, those Chickenfoot predictions are too far off.

    And Pia is expected to sell 117K? O.o I mean, I like her and all but I don’t even expect Scotty to sell that much.

  • tripp_ncwy

    VH1 Top 20 Music Video Countdown 10.01.2011

    #02 Gym Class Heroes/Adam Levine “Stereo Hearts”
    #08 Moves Like Jagger Maroon 5 f/Christina Aguilera
    #13 Gavin Degraw “Not Over You”

    VH1 Premier: Kelly Clarkson “Mr Know It All”

  • larc

    117K for Pia would be amazing, IMO. I have been thinking she will come in closer to 1/3 of that.

    I wonder what that prediction is based on. Pia’s single hasn’t done so well. Reviews of the tour didn’t tend to praise her a lot. In fact, Stefano seemed to get more positives once he came out to sing with her. Tweeters at the concerts were definitely more wowed by him.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Couldn’t the same happen to Scotty and Lauren? Fans of Idol liking them on the show, but not enough of a Country fan to buy an entire Country album?

    When did their presales go up? The amount of time after the show ended to the time the presale was announced is also relevant. Too much time, & people less invested won’t take advantage of the presale.

  • ptebwwong

    If you looked at Blake’s album sales before The Voice then you wouldn’t think he has a bigger fanbase than Scotty.

    I agree. Blake’s 1st week sales were the highest in his career & that was because of the exposure from The Voice. His highest 1st week sales before was 77K. The problem is usually country artists with big names (Taylor) or have crossover potential (Lady A) put up over 100K numbers. All the rest of the country artists their first week sales are usually around 40K-80K. Country is a specific genre that many people won’t buy so the numbers are not over 100K. Rodney Atkins has a #1 country song out & his album is coming out the same week as Scotty’s. He has been around for 5+ years & has had #1 hits & multiple top 10′s. However, his preorder sales on iTunes, Walmart, & other retailers pale in comparison to Scotty’s. I think Rodney will sell about 40K-80K, which is what most pure country artists should expect. Scotty I think will exceed this range since he was on Idol.

  • HR

    Are the insiders predicting 117k for Pia the same ones that believed Katy Perry’s album would open 3 times as high as it did. I like Pia but those numbers are difficult to believe.

  • ptebwwong

    Blake had a number one single. IIRC it was getting an AI of over 50M a week and there abouts for quite some time. Those are listeners that would actually buy a country album.

    In country music, a #1 single does not mean necessarily that people will buy your album. There are artists that have #1 hits, but their album sales are not good. Even, Brad Paisley a country star with over 15+ #1 hits never has had a #1 overall album. Yes, Blake had a huge hit. But I don’t think his numbers would have been that high unless he was on a tv show every week. It’s the same for Scotty. If he wasn’t on Idol & just a normal debut artist, he would never have the types of numbers he will have for his 1st week.

  • katielynne

    When does Pia’s album come out? I imagine she’ll be lucky to get 50,000.

  • Eileen99

    I’ll guess 100k for Scotty but will not be surprised if it’s higher.

    Casey James has an early add this week (WUSY Chattanooga) and also has two starter stations showing up at AA this morning who haven’t added him yet & didn’t spin him at all last week. (WOGK Gainesville & WGTY York, PA)

    He moved up one spot on Mediabase this morning to #47 with a bullet of 46.

  • Davidx2

    Didn’t see all of the VH1 countdown so I didn’t see Kelly’s video…but Adele’s “Someone Like You” debuted at #11. The video is simple and beautiful….loved it!!!

  • Chicagolaw

    Looking at that list, I would say the Pulse insider is way off.

    However, 100K for Scotty seems about right to me.

  • Buffynut

    iTunes presale #2 behind Jack’s Mannequin for CDs to release October 4.

    Scotty is #96 on i-Tunes though. I would expect physical CDs to be his forte anyway. Probably the WalMart sales will be the highest.

  • merkureye

    117K for Pia would be amazing, IMO. I have been thinking she will come in closer to 1/3 of that.

    I wonder what that prediction is based on.

    Must be based on Tom Hanks’ pre-orders of Pia’s CD for all of his friends.

  • Hazehel

    When does Pia’s album come out? I imagine she’ll be lucky to get 50,000.

    Personally I’d expect her to get less than that, she has few Idol fans, so I’d say she’d be lucky to get 20-30K for the first week without a hit song.

    I find it hard to predict Scotty’s first week sales, Scotty’s fans seem to behave differently from most Idols’. I suspect he’d get around 100K for the first week, perhaps up to 150K at best. Anything less than 100K I would consider a disappointment for the winner of a season that’s generally well-received.

  • adolf_hipster

    I’d say 150k for Scotty is reasonable given the circumstances. For Lauren and Pia? Much harder to predict. Is Pia even releasing the album this year? I doubt it.

  • larc

    I agree Lauren is harder to predict. There are a lot of diehard country fans among my family and friends. Nearly all of them are very excited about Scotty’s album. Hardly any of them are about Lauren’s. Of course, most of us live in Scotty’s home area and that surely enters into it. But I’m just not hearing anywhere near the buzz about Lauren that I am about Scotty, even from outside this area.

    If I had to guess, I’d say Lauren’s first-week sales will be about 40% of whatever Scotty’s is for his first week.

  • Trina

    If Blake sold 116K coming right offf The Voice, than I think all the above estimates are too high, for Scotty.
    If he even reaches 80,000, I would be surprised.

    Remember the utter SHOCK when Eric Church beat Blake’s numbers? I dont see why Scotty cant beat him.

  • Kylee

    If he even reaches 80,000, I would be surprised.

    You really think he will sell around the same as Kris Allen? No way.

  • Buffynut

    Kylee says:

    10/01/2011 at 1:49 pm

    If he even reaches 80,000, I would be surprised.

    You really think he will sell around the same as Kris Allen? No way.

    Kris was a very popular winner off a very popular season. Kris had a single moving up the charts. I don’t think Scotty will surpass Kris’ first week.

  • Elliegrll

    Kris was a very popular winner off a very popular season. Kris had a single moving up the charts. I don’t think Scotty will surpass Kris’ first week.

    Scotty is also a very popular winner, who is coming off a popular season. He’s also had more airplay than Kris had during the summer that he came off of AI, and that airplay has been on his home format. On top of that, he will have, and has had a greater media presence, especially in front of those who are more likely to buy his music. He’s been on a few country related telecasts that drew good numbers, and he has another coming up, he also has a GAC special that is all about him, it looks like he’s doing some type of Yahoo sessions performance, and he’s making the usual talk show rounds.

  • car3278sweet

    You know what fascinates me about all this chatter about Scotty? In the long run, it means nothing. If he moves 100K in his first week, I will not be surprised and neither will I be impressed.

    What I’m looking for in an artist is someone who makes good music over the long haul. I have not been impressed at all by ILYTB or TTWG. I’ll take a listen to the rest of the album when it comes out on windmills’ recommendation, but to me, Scotty is still a flash in the pan. I would not be at all surprised if an a year and half or two, we’ll all be discussing how Scotty is going to be a dentist and his second record went the way of Archie.

    Casey James has an early add this week (WUSY Chattanooga) and also has two starter stations showing up at AA this morning who haven’t added him yet & didn’t spin him at all last week. (WOGK Gainesville & WGTY York, PA)

    This is the kind of road that I respect from my country artists. They pay their dues, they slog up the charts, they put out good music that’s true to their soul and was written by them. I have no idea if CaseyJ will hit it big. I do know that he’s never going to do anything but play music.

  • merkureye

    he (Scotty) also has a GAC special that is all about him,

    Let me guess. . . it’s going to be 15 minutes long. lol

  • Kylee

    Kris was a very popular winner off a very popular season. Kris had a single moving up the charts. I don’t think Scotty will surpass Kris’ first week.

    But Kris also got a lot of hate from the media and fans for beating Adam and people considered his sales underwhelming. Scotty also has a single moving up the charts. And I don’t think Season 8 was any more popular than Season 10- the ratings were roughly the same. Country is also more popular than Kris’s genre. For Scotty’s popularity, I also can’t see him being the 2nd worst selling winner and having someone who was at the time considered a “failure” beat him.

    And Scotty has had his twitter and facebook obviously way less, but here are the side by side numbers.

    Facebook:

    Kris- 603,180
    Scotty- 616,053

    Twitter:

    Kris- 272,112
    Scotty- 322,609

    And yes, Scotty’s numbers aren’t that much higher at the moment, but also take note that Kris has had twitter and facebook much longer…

  • Buffynut

    Elliegrll says:

    10/01/2011 at 2:08 pm

    Scotty is also a very popular winner, who is coming off a popular season. He’s also had more airplay than Kris had during the summer that he came off of AI, and that airplay has been on his home format. On top of that, he will have, and has had a greater media presence, especially in front of those who are more likely to buy his music. He’s been on a few country related telecasts that drew good numbers, and he has another coming up, he also has a GAC special that is all about him, it looks like he’s doing some type of Yahoo sessions performance, and he’s making the usual talk show rounds.

    I wasn’t referring to Kris’ summer airplay. I was talking about LLWD. Kris did everything you just said Scotty did. Despite what some of his fans think, he got excellent promo for his single and album. I just don’t see Scotty selling more than Kris did the first week.
    But, as we all know, the important thing is subsequent weeks and radio play. So, really the only think the first week sales tell us is the size of his Idol fanbase, basically.

  • candyhives

    I would not be at all surprised if an a year and half or two, we’ll all be discussing how Scotty is going to be a dentist and his second record went the way of Archie.

    I doubt that, but I can see Adam’s second record going that way…

  • Elliegrll

    This is the kind of road that I respect from my country artists. They pay their dues, they slog up the charts, they put out good music that’s true to their soul and was written by them. I have no idea if CaseyJ will hit it big. I do know that he’s never going to do anything but play music.

    I’m confused by this. The biggest difference between what Scotty and Casey have done is that Scotty won AI. Both got their big break by appearing on a reality show. I’m pretty sure that just as it was Mercury’s decision to release an album by Scotty this month, it was also Sony Nashville, and not Casey, who decided to wait and let Casey make a name for himself before he released an album.

    If it wasn’t for his major label deal, I doubt that Casey would have opened for Sugarland, or played at some of the respected industry events that he has over the past year. I don’t see how CJ has worked any harder than Scotty. I also don’t see Scotty, who has always wanted to be a singer and writer, leaving that dream if his deal with Mercury doesn’t work out. Whatever happens, it’s a safe bet that he won’t be a dentist in a year or even two years, since he’d actually need a degree for that to happen.

  • Studio57

    “Scotty is also a very popular winner, who is coming off a popular season. He’s also had more airplay than Kris had during the summer that he came off of AI, and that airplay has been on his home format. ” <—– was supposed to be blockquoted :(

    I wouldn't compare NoBo to ILYTB. NoBo was a crap song and everyone knows it. Scotty's tugged at the heartstrings of America. Not comparing it to any other idol, how is Scotty's first non coronation single doing ( TTWG)? What's it's Itunes ranking?

    I agree with Buffynut that most of Scotty's sales will be physical CD's from Walmart. He's like the Wamart posterboy, and they were smart to offer that Zinepak. I still can't make a call on a guesstimate on his first week sales but I don't think it will hit the 100 k mark.

    As far as the "insider" at Pulse- I'd say that person has to be a troll- no way in HELL will Chickenfoot and Pia sell that much.

  • larc

    Scotty is clearly the most popular contestant from S10. None of the others is likely to sell more debut CDs than he will. Kris was a popular winner of his season, but he got outsold. Maybe the performance of Kris’s album isn’t the best gauge to determine what Scotty’s might or might not do.

  • TylerWV

    Im a huge country fan and think Blake didnt become a “big” country star until the exposure from the Voice. I think it bought him some new fans outside of country. He still was outsold by Luke Bryan and Eric Church, neither had near his exposure. Blake had been putting out mostly 6 pack eps for some time. He would get a couple of hits off each and put another one out. His music is more pop country and his songs are mostly the type Toby Keith and Trace Adkins sing, the funny or kinda raunchy songs. When Blake got engaged to Miranda, it really started his career up the ladder, before Voice. Miranda gets a lot of critical acclaim, esp. for her song writing, but doesnt have a huge fan base yet comparitively and doesnt sell multiplatinum albums usually. Even getting vocalist of the year didnt, imo, up her fanbase or sales a lot. I think Scotty will do very well in his sales and I see his album as the first half for the younger crowd and the last half for the mature fans. He is likeable, shares his faith, has a great voice and presence, things the country music buyers like.

  • Kylee

    Kris had a single moving up the charts. I don’t think Scotty will surpass Kris’ first week.

    And just to add to this, but LLWD didn’t take off at all when Kris’s album was out. It didn’t even begin to hit its stride and peak until March. Scotty’s is continuing to grow and move up and I suspect it will more after the promo appearances. Here is what it says on wikipedia about LLWD:

    The song debuted after its first week of availability at number eighty-nine on the Billboard Hot 100, selling 24,000 copies.[14] It fell off the chart the following week, and remained off until it re-entered at number ninety-two on November 21, 2009.[15] It peaked at number eighteen on the chart on the week of March 13, 2010.[15]

    And it fell off at the beginning of October and didn’t even re-enter until the album came out.

  • Curlin

    Not only will Scotty do well at Walmart but I think also at Target. In their circular it advertised that you get a $5 gift card with the purchase of his CD. I don’t recall seeing that before for any of the idols, but I could be wrong.

  • Elliegrll

    I wouldn’t compare NoBo to ILYTB. NoBo was a crap song and everyone knows it. Scotty’s tugged at the heartstrings of America.

    I wasn’t comparing. At its peak ILYTB had an AI of over 25 million, No Boundaries never came close to that. Who knows if Scotty has expanded his base beyond AI fans, but that amount of spins did introduce him to new people, so more than just AI fans are aware of him, which will help him when he starts promoting his album.

  • koshka

    What I’m looking for in an artist is someone who makes good music over the long haul. I have not been impressed at all by ILYTB or TTWG. I’ll take a listen to the rest of the album when it comes out on windmills’ recommendation, but to me, Scotty is still a flash in the pan. I would not be at all surprised if an a year and half or two, we’ll all be discussing how Scotty is going to be a dentist and his second record went the way of Archie.

    Especially if he desides to puts high school first. Does anyone know where he intends on finishing HS?

  • Kylee

    Especially if he desides to puts high school first. Does anyone know where he intends on finishing HS?

    He goes to High School when he is doing nothing. Its been a month since school has started, and I only think he has been there for 5 days. He will do what he did on idol most of the time-on the road, and will talk to teachers via. Skype. And his Mom is a certified K-12 teacher.

  • larc

    Kylee says:
    Twitter:

    Kris- 272,112
    Scotty- 322,609

    Just a little interesting aside… Scotty even has more Twitter followers now than Adam did at this time in 2009. It was mid to late December before he hit 322K+. And look what happened: Adam has nearly 1.211M now.

  • CanadianLady

    Actually Scotty said if he wasn’t a singer he’d likely be an astronaut. :)

  • Moria Polonius

    CanadianLady says:
    10/01/2011 at 2:54 pm

    Actually Scotty said if he wasn’t a singer he’d likely be an astronaut.

    Hahaha, when I was a kid, I wanted to be an astronaut so badly. Maybe Scotty isn’t as boring as I thought!

  • Studio57

    I wasn’t comparing. At its peak ILYTB had an AI of over 25 million, No Boundaries never came close to that.

    Sounds like comparing to me. No DJ’s wanted to play a crap song so why bother comparing AI’s? Also, Scotty is a country artist, there is no way you compare him to any other AI winners. Not even Carrie because her first album came out so long ago. Scotty’s new song is sitting in the 300′s on Itunes. It’s still new, so there’s no way right now to know if he is a popular winner, or he was a winner with a popular coronation song.

  • Kylee

    so there’s no way right now to know if he is a popular winner, or he was a winner with a popular coronation song.

    His wal-mart exclusive EP outsold Lee’s actual album, so that should tell us something.

  • larc

    Moria Polonius says:
    Hahaha, when I was a kid, I wanted to be an astronaut so badly. Maybe Scotty isn’t as boring as I thought!

    One thing it says is that there’s still a lot of kid in Scotty. :)

  • Pippygirl

    Just a little interesting aside… Scotty even has more Twitter followers now than Adam did at this time in 2009. It was mid to late December before he hit 322K+. And look what happened: Adam has nearly 1.211M now.

    So I guess that means Scotty will sell over 300,000 first week and Adam over a million when his next album comes out. :)
    Don’t think there’s a correlation though, doesn’t David A. have like 700,000 twitter followers?
    Regardless even though I don’t get Scotty’s appeal, he sailed to victory and has had people buy pretty much anything he put out. If he doesn’t sell over 125,000 I’ll be surprised.

  • ituneit

    There will go all the credibility of American Idol if Scotty McCreery sells big numbers (not that AI has any). His range is non existent and he’s not even remotely good looking. He’ll be peddling hot dogs at the ball park in a couple of years. Season 11 will come along and McCreery will be just another statistic.

  • merkureye

    jUst listened to a preview of Lauren’s Wildflower CD. The word – underwhelming, comes to mind. Only 4 songs were made available. Hope those weren’t the best of the album. Didn’t hear one track that I liked better than Pia’s This Time. I don’t know what either Lauren’s or Pia’s first week sales will be but, I will bet Pia’s sales will at least equal Lauren’s.

  • LaurelG

    If he doesn’t sell over 125,000 I’ll be surprised.

    Me too. There are numerous factors: album buying genre, just came off the Idol tour, good-sized segment of younger fans (whose parents buy them albums), popular winner who was never is jeopardy of being voted off (imo), Idol is still a ratings juggernaut (although not what it was in past seasons) and his song got a lot of airplay.

    The number for Pia is just ridiculous though. What on earth is it based on?

  • candyhives

    There will go all the credibility of American Idol if Scotty McCreery sells big numbers (not that AI has any). His range is non existent and he’s not even remotely good looking. He’ll be peddling hot dogs at the ball park in a couple of years.

    I doubt he will ever be peddling hot dogs. He is already laughing his way to the bank before his album is even out. And he has way more range than you think. And that is pretty harsh to say somebody isn’t good looking. A lot of girls obviously think he is. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And Scotty selling big numbers, will help the credibility of idol go UP, especially after Lee and Kris failed to go gold…

  • candyhives

    Season 11 will come along and McCreery will be just another statistic.

    Another great one. He will be remembered as one of idol’s success stories.

  • Pippygirl

    Well Lee and Kris are not selling hot dogs even though they failed to go gold so I doubt Scotty ever will. All of the winners are doing fine and making a living at music.
    Also whether someone is good looking is also a matter of opinion.

  • theonlygirl

    Anyways, for what it’s worth I think Scotty will do more than fine. Luckily he’s in country music so I won’t even have to listen to him over in my neck of the woods. It’s nothing personal though, I hate all country music.

  • lmao

    There will go all the credibility of American Idol if Scotty McCreery sells big numbers (not that AI has any). His range is non existent and he’s not even remotely good looking. He’ll be peddling hot dogs at the ball park in a couple of years. Season 11 will come along and McCreery will be just another statistic.

    You owe me a new keyboard :) ITA

  • Kylee

    There will go all the credibility of American Idol if Scotty McCreery sells big numbers (not that AI has any).

    Uhh, wouldn’t that make the credibility go way up? People have been complaining that idol winners never produce big numbers anymore. That would be great if Scotty could change that.

  • jjrr1942

    I believe what Scotty said was he would have liked to be an astronaut but even though he was an honor roll student, he wasn’t sure he was smart enough to do that.

  • LaurelG

    He will be remembered as one of idol’s success stories.

    I think it’s way too soon to tell.

  • tripp_ncwy

    AMERICAN TOP 40 – October 2, 2011
    Hosted by Ryan Seacrest

    06 04 (08) Maroon 5 featuring Christina Aguilera – Moves Like Jagger
    13 08 (07) Gym Class Heroes featuring Adam Levine – Stereo Hearts
    00 32 (01) Kelly Clarkson – Mr. Know It All
    32 38 (30) Jennifer Lopez featuring Pitbull – On The Floor

    American Top 40 (Hot AC) October 1-2, 2011
    01 04 (09) Maroon 5/Christina Aguilera-Moves Like Jagger (1 week at #1)
    17 — (01) Kelly Clarkson-Mr. Know It All

    Off The Chart:
    Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson-Don’t You Wanna Stay (From #39, 17 weeks on Chart)

    from Pulse

  • Elliegrll

    Sounds like comparing to me. No DJ’s wanted to play a crap song so why bother comparing AI’s? Also, Scotty is a country artist, there is no way you compare him to any other AI winners. Not even Carrie because her first album came out so long ago. Scotty’s new song is sitting in the 300?s on Itunes. It’s still new, so there’s no way right now to know if he is a popular winner, or he was a winner with a popular coronation song.

    Seriously, what are you talking about? My point was that you can’t guess what Scotty is going to do based on what Kris did, because unlike Kris he was receiving airplay all summer on his home format. Your posts don’t even counter anything that I wrote.

  • escape

    I just don’t see Scotty selling more than Kris did the first week.

    If Scotty doesn’t sell more than Kris in his first week, I actually think his career is in trouble. Scotty has been one of the more popular AI winners who has received a great amount of hype. Kris had the stigma of being the under dog that should not have won. The negative I do see with Scotty is that maybe he’s gotten too much hype – and that can backfire.

  • Elliegrll

    No one cares how runner ups do

    I don’t think that anyone outside of the bubble and those who cover AI, cares what any of the alums do. People will clap for them when they come back to the show, but they are only going to follow their careers if the alums are releasing music that they personally like.

  • LVD

    I’m confused by this. The biggest difference between what Scotty and Casey have done is that Scotty won AI. Both got their big break by appearing on a reality show. I’m pretty sure that just as it was Mercury’s decision to release an album by Scotty this month, it was also Sony Nashville, and not Casey, who decided to wait and let Casey make a name for himself before he released an album.

    If it wasn’t for his major label deal, I doubt that Casey would have opened for Sugarland, or played at some of the respected industry events that he has over the past year. I don’t see how CJ has worked any harder than Scotty. I also don’t see Scotty, who has always wanted to be a singer and writer, leaving that dream if his deal with Mercury doesn’t work out. Whatever happens, it’s a safe bet that he won’t be a dentist in a year or even two years, since he’d actually need a degree for that to happen.

    Both are from idol, but Scotty is a teenager who was going to school before idol. Of course Casey has worked harder then Scotty, he has been a working singer and musician for 12 years before idol. He has payed his dues. It is a bit of a no brainer, that he has worked harder then Scotty. But Scotty is 16/ 17/ 18?, so obviously he just hasn’t practically had the time to do the same things. Therefore it is a pointless comparison.

    Casey has basically done the same thing as many other new comers, many other new country artists also opens for Sugarland. I do think it wasn’t just Sony’s decision to take longer with an album release, I think Casey did have a hand in that. It is a big risk for someone to take who comes from idol, most people said it was a big mistake. And there is still no guarantee that it is going to work (although so far so good).
    Scotty is a popular idol winner he has already gotten a lot better opportunities to promote himself in country, that someone like Casey could only dream of getting. Sotty is getting air play and he hasn’t even done any radio promotion yet, while according to Music Row Casey is one of the artist who will be doing the most gigs for the next few months. Casey has been grafting for the spins he’s getting. But Scotty deserves all of the opportunities he is getting because he is the idol winner! It is just very difficult to compare these two, their situations are just to different. :)

    I do think Scotty really is good, he fits in like a glove and people really like him. I think he has a sure sure set bright future ahead. I know he is going to be working very hard on his future.

  • TheOther

    Looking at Idol history, I don’t think the freshman effort dictates what kind of career someone will have. David Cook had a platinum selling CD off Idol, but his sophomore effort took a nose dive. David Archuelta had a huge hit with his first effort, but tanked with his subsequent non-holiday CD, which eventually lead him to leave his label.

    The challenge I see with Scotty: What kind of career will he have a few years from now, when he is no longer the 17 yr old kid from Idol with a deep voice. At 22, that deep voice will no longer be that unique.

  • alterego7

    I do think it wasn’t just Sony’s decision to take longer with an album release, I think Casey did have a hand in that. It is a big risk for someone to take who comes from idol, most people said it was a big mistake. And there is still no guarantee that it is going to work (although so far so good).

    I doubt any new artist has that kind of leverage. Besides, Casey has never given any indication that was his choice. Casey’s single hasn’t exactly been burning up the charts, considering that it took over a year after he left Idol to release it. And there is still no date for an album release, even though he says he has been constantly writing for the last year and a half.

  • Kylee

    The challenge I see with Scotty: What kind of career will he have a few years from now, when he is no longer the 17 yr old kid from Idol with a deep voice. At 22, that deep voice will no longer be that unique.

    His deep voice isn’t the ONLY thing he has going for him. I think he will need to grow his fanbase through his songs- and a lot of his songs sound promising IMO. He needs to gain fans outside of the idol bubble who like him not JUST because he is 17 with a deep voice.

  • Fullmoon

    I don’t think that anyone outside of the bubble and those who cover AI, cares what any of the alums do.

    The labels care. Depending on your debut numbers is what will determine how much the labels are willing to push your album. Yeah they’ll throw enough payola out there in the hopes your first single sells and move some albums but if you still can’t get gold album guarantee that second single will get very little to no push.

  • KritterNotMe

    Scotty is going to do just fine. He is so likeable. If they wake up and get some young song writers for him next cd Scotty will be golden.

    Cook’s numbers were good first cd but he crashed and burned on his 2nd effort. Still wondering if he will get a 2nd single.

    As far as Adam, he can fly that freak flag as high as he wants. I am anxiously waiting for his 2nd effort.

  • ross

    Uhh, wouldn’t that make the credibility go way up? People have been complaining that idol winners never produce big numbers anymore. That would be great if Scotty could change that.

    I agree. Scotty needs to do better than the last 2 winners so Idol doesn’t continue to lose it’s credibility.

    That’s how the media sees it. You need to sell a lot of Idol albums, over a million. Kris and Lee didn’t do that. Kris is the only winner ever to have a Top 10 hit on Pop, HAC, and AC, and the first male winner to ever have a Top 10 pop hit. So, obviously, this is not very easy for a winner to achieve. Scotty probably will never achieve it. But it’s good to know that if he sells a large amount of his country album to country fans, Idol’s credibility as a star maker will be assured.

    To me gaining some success on the top formats would seem to boost Idol’s credibility a lot, in the real world. I’ve heard Lee on the radio, as well. I hear David Cook a lot. I haven’t heard some former winners, ever.

  • Milly21

    My prediction for ole Scotty is between 125,000 to 150,000 in sales for the first week. I also think he’ll be the first platinum seller in a long time since he has a bit of that appeal that someone like Jackie Evancho or Susan Boyle has. and far less people watched America’s Got Talent and yet Jackie achieved that platinum status. And I’m no country fan by any stretch of the imagination. I’m also not a Scotty fan but he seems very charismatic and likeable, the charisma being something that has been lacking with at least the past 2 or 3 winners. I also think Scotty appeals to a very old fanbase which seems to be the main album buyers as evidenced by the success of Jackie and Subo.

  • Moria Polonius

    Kris was the only winner ever to have a Top 10 song on Pop, HAC, and AC, and the first male winner to ever have a Top 10 pop hit.

    Wow, that’s… very specific.

    Makes me wonder what Scotty will be the first/only to have.

    I also think Scotty appeals to a very old fanbase which seems to be the main album buyers as evidenced by the success of Jackie and Subo.

    I don’t doubt that there’s a substantial grandma/grandpa fanbase from Idol, but I’m imagining that the majority of those 300k twitter followers and the posters at idolforums squealing about Scoren McLaina are below 18. Hell, below 15 even.

  • gangreen29

    That’s how the media sees it

    Sorry but I think this isn’t a case of the “media” skewing something. That is nice that Kris had one hit off his album, but that didn’t help the fact that he vastly undersold every other idol winner’s album before him. He was a disappointment, and Lee was an even greater disappointment because he didn’t even have that one hit.

  • mmb

    Has Pia announced an album release date?

  • alterego7

    Kris was the only winner ever to have a Top 10 hit on Pop, HAC, and AC, and the first male winner to ever have a Top 10 pop hit. To me that would seem to help Idol’s credibility a lot, in the real world, where most people listen to the popular radio stations.

    But Kris was never able to translate his single success with album sales. He sold about 1.5M of his single, but only about 328K of his CD. Then his 2 follow up singles sold only about 91K, 39K respectively.

    So it appeared that majority of the people that bought the single were not interested in other music from Kris.

  • Fullmoon

    Kris was the only winner ever to have a Top 10 song on Pop, HAC, and AC, and the first male winner to ever have a Top 10 pop hit.

    That top #10 pop hit did little to get him a gold album. Now had he cracked #10 Top 100 Billboard which is what the media/music industry likes to reference to he may have pulled a gold album. Does anyone know what “The Truth” did Pop? Did it go for Pop adds. I know it did ok on Hac but didn’t quite sell 100k.

  • Milly21

    Moria Polonius says:
    10/01/2011 at 5:42 pm

    I don’t doubt that there’s a substantial grandma/grandpa fanbase from Idol, but I’m imagining that the majority of those 300k twitter followers and the posters at idolforums squealing about Scoren McLaina are below 18. Hell, below 15 even

    Perhaps but I’d imagine that most people who are on twitter or any message board is really young, thats not exactly indicative of the real world. oh i also forgot to add that something in Scotty’s favor is his hometown. North Carolina has been ridiculous in sales for their hometown people.

    oh and since people were bringing up other people’s predictions for their albums i’ll go with Lauren between 75,000-85,000. Pia between 50,000-60,000 no way is she gonna go above 100,000 like some are predicting and James between 30,000 to 45,000. it all depends on what the promo looks like for all of them, radio success and relevance in the music industry.

  • Pippygirl

    Wow I really don’t know why Kris and Lee (and now I guess David Cook) dare even try to have a career in music considering how unlikable and non-charismatic they all are :).
    Personally many of the songs I listen to on the radio are by performers and groups I’m not that familiar with so I don’t know how much charisma they have. If I like the song I listen to it. It will eventually come down to the music imo when the hype of AI has faded. Also is Chris Daughtry known to be incredibly likable and charismatic? If not it hasn’t hurt him any.

  • girlygirl

    Casey James has no say on when his album will get released. If they had wanted him to put it out 2 months after he got off the Idol tour, he would have had to get it out 2 months after he got off the AI tour. At this stage of his career, he has no leverage

  • girlygirl

    Judging from twitter, there are a LOT of adult fans who think the whole McLaina thing was adorable and who are big fans of both Scotty and Lauren. It’s not all tweens or teenagers by any stretch of the imagination.

  • Kirsten

    Okay, I just deleted/edited a bunch of stuff.

    Remember:

    1) The topic is numbers, not your other posters.
    2) If you can’t stand reading negative things about your Idol, then a fan board may be more to your taste.
    3) That said, tone down the rhetoric. Don’t get nasty (see MJs guideline 4).
    4) If your favourite it is criticized, don’t start a fan war by dragging in who you think is their favourite Idol. It can start an all out rumble.

    Comparative numbers can get fractious, but let’s try and have a sane, objective discussion about it. Because those are interesting.

  • car3278sweet

    I don’t see how CJ has worked any harder than Scotty.

    I don’t know. Maybe the 11 years CJ put in working the bars and honky tonks, learning his craft, writing songs. In my book that’s a bit more work than Scotty’s put in so far.

    This isn’t a slam at Scotty at all. He appears to be a nice kid from an excellent family. He’s got a big deep voice and a good turn with a phrase. And he’s the AI champ. Great. This will insure he will move some records now and make some dough.

    Now I want to see if he can write, if he knows his craft, if he can become a ‘real’ artist instead of a reality star. I’m not panning him. I’m waiting.

    CJ has proved himself to me through his vids at Key Lounge, thru his excellent guitar skills, thru his husky voice that is distinct and thru his emerging song skills. We’ll see what Scotty does.

    And okay. Maybe I have to wait 6 years to go to Scotty as my dentist. LOL

  • car3278sweet

    Kylee says:

    10/01/2011 at 2:58 pm

    I have no idea if CaseyJ will hit it big. I do know that he’s never going to do anything but play music.

    Uhh, neither will Scotty. He is already getting respect in the country music world-being asked to perform at the Grand Ole Opry, etc. Its like people want to see him fail…too bad that isn’t happening.

    Well, sad to say, an ‘endorsement’ from the GOO is no longer a certificate of achievement.

    And you read me wrong. I don’t wish anyone failure. I want Scotty to become what he’s meant to become. And everyone on earth is here to “become” something. I truly believe that. I’m just not convinced at this point, that Scotty is meant to be a country music star. And honestly, I’ve never gotten the vibe from Scotty that he has always, always wanted to write and sing music. Good God. When I was eighteen, I wanted to be the next big movie star. Hell. I would have hated that life.

    I guess that’s one of the BIG draws CJ has for me. He’s absolutely, without a doubt, found what he’s meant to do. When he plays his guitar, and his head goes back and his eyes close….you can actually see the “something” come out of him. This is why he’s here. This is what he’s meant to do. And it’s just a joy to see anyone…anyone!…do what they were created to do.

    Maybe Scotty is meant to “do” country music. Fantastic. For me, he’s got to show me that. Currently, he strikes me as a good kid who tried out on a lark and it’s turned into this whirlwind. He’s handling it with grace and charm. Good for him and his great parents. But is this where he’s meant to be? Color me not convinced.

  • gangreen29

    When he plays his guitar, and his head goes back and his eyes close….you can actually see the “something” come out of him

    Maybe he can become someone’s guitar player then.

    It seems like it might suit him better than this whole singing thing.

  • car3278sweet

    alterego7 says:

    10/01/2011 at 5:17 pm

    I do think it wasn’t just Sony’s decision to take longer with an album release, I think Casey did have a hand in that. It is a big risk for someone to take who comes from idol, most people said it was a big mistake. And there is still no guarantee that it is going to work (although so far so good).

    I doubt any new artist has that kind of leverage.

    Well. I respectfully disagree. I know that the himbo label is still stuck on Mr. James back..or chest… or whatever. But CJ is not a youngster in the music industry. He took his time. An agonizing long time for his fans to sign. So I cannot believe this guy… a guy who’d been doing gigs, recording, etc… didn’t shop. He had a clear view of the kind of music he wanted to make and he didn’t sign until the label signed on to his vision. CJ never has struck me as grasping for the gold. He’s looking for the right fit, the right moment.

    Again, I don’t know if his vision will work. But I really believe that this career trajectory and this music is his. Totally his.

  • car3278sweet

    girlygirl says:

    10/01/2011 at 6:30 pm

    Casey James has no say on when his album will get released. If they had wanted him to put it out 2 months after he got off the Idol tour, he would have had to get it out 2 months after he got off the AI tour. At this stage of his career, he has no leverage

    You know. There is such a thing as artistic integrity. Such a thing as signing a contract that you believed in. I have no idea if CJ signed that contract, but everything I’ve seen about this guy shouts integrity. And in this day in age, a music peep, with his exposure and talent… well, he could have walked away and made his own music. A major label is no longer a key to success.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Wow. Way to totally ignore Kirsten’s mod. I’m closing this thread for a bit.

    ETA: I was able to pinpoint the exact post that started this thread on the way downhill, and it was, basically, a post that started off with a long, negative critique of an Idol that ended with a comparison that was roughly ” While x Idol sucks, My Idol is an artist and is perfect. He even farts RAINBOWS!”.

    (OK, it didn’t literally say that, so don’t go looking for it, but that was the essence of the post.)

    Honestly, there’ is no point in these types of “My Idol is better than yours” comparisons, except to puff up a favorite Idol at the expense of another. It shouldn’t be a surprise when fans react defensively. But somehow, it is, because the fight just escalates.

    So could we please stick to discussing the numbers in these threads and leave the pointless comparisons out of it? Bring in other Idols ONLY if you are making a very specific and salient point. If we could keep the baiting and the fanwanking out of these threads, the conversation would be better all around. Thank you.

  • Pam

    My computer is still having issues and I’m back on the one I was on a couple of days ago so that’s why there were no numbers today. Sorry guys.

    CHR/Pop
    23 19 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 3971 3143 828 21.705

    HAC
    9 9 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 2863 2520 343 15.267
    41 23 DAUGHTRY Crawling Back To You 1073 309 764 5.229

    AC (1-38)
    5 5 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 1430 1421 9 9.083
    24 18 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 233 147 86 3.023
    23 22 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 141 148 -7 0.258
    22 23 JOSH GRACIN Long Way To Go 135 152 -17 0.213
    55 38 DAUGHTRY Crawling Back To You 32 9 23 0.794

    Country (1-47, 53, 54, 56)
    32 33 KELLIE PICKLER Tough 1150 1150 0 6.799
    40 39 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 649 609 40 3.432
    47 43 SCOTTY MCCREERY The Trouble With Gir… 380 288 92 2.011
    49 47 CASEY JAMES Let’s Don’t Call It … 330 284 46 1.203

    Urban AC
    10 13 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 953 1067 -114 6.507

    Rhythmic
    14 14 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Ric… 2743 2856 -113 13.142

    Christian AC
    24 23 MANDISA Waiting For Tomorrow 330 322 8 1.279

    Canada-CHR/Pop
    40 38 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 278 211 67 1.682

    Canada-HAC
    13 8 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 629 496 133 3.478

    Canada-Main AC
    23 17 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 127 83 44 1.267

    Canada-Country
    6 8 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 587 610 -23 1.788

  • ituneit

    Kirsten says:
    10/01/2011 at 10:02 am

    Scotty – 130-150k
    Lauren – 40-60k

    I think you are a bit high for Scotty and I think Lauren will do at least 1/2 (more closer to 2/3rds) of Scotty’s sales. That’s how her first week’s have been trending so far.

    Aren’t there sites out there that make predictions? When someone from Idol releases a CD there are usually numbers predicted by Hits Daily Double or something.

  • Kirsten

    Aren’t there sites out there that make predictions? When someone from Idol releases a CD there are usually numbers predicted by Hits Daily Double or something.

    Yes. It starts with the one-day sales estimates we will get on Wednesday (check the Idol Sales News threads) from HDD and sometimes Billboard. These typically only discuss new releases. On Friday, HDD releases it’s “weakend” report and that will be estimates for the top 15-20 albums of the week (check the Billboard thread). Then we get HDD predictions starting on Monday and finishing Tuesday for the top 50 albums (Mediabase and HDD threads) and the SoundScan numbers (or their rounded versions) on Wednesday (back into the Idol Sales news threads).

  • alterego7

    He had a clear view of the kind of music he wanted to make and he didn’t sign until the label signed on to his vision. CJ never has struck me as grasping for the gold.

    As I recall, Casey James had one meeting in Nashville in early Jun of last year, right after the Season 9 finale. It was already rumored at the time he was signed. Granted, they didn’t make the formal announcement until later – which isn’t that unusual. BNA like any other record label is still a business and in order to be competitive, it has to make money. Casey James’ job is no different than any artist, he has to make enough money for his label, otherwise he will be let go.

  • Pam

    Mediabase:
    KELLY CLARKSON – Mr. Know It All: 41.704 (+ 1.077)
    KELLIE PICKLER -Tough= 7.938 (-0.103)
    DAUGHTRY -Crawling Back To You= 6.856 (+1.346)
    LAUREN ALAINA -Like My Mother Does= 3.723 (+0.116)
    SCOTTY MCCREERY -The Trouble With Girls= 2.190 (+0.011)
    CASEY JAMES-Let’s Don’t Call It A Night= 1.257 (+0.056)
    LEONA LEWIS -Collide= 0.057 (+0.020)

  • Pam

    BB200
    31 COL 2 2 3 ADELE 21 116,859 -2 119,183 3,655,303
    47 BBOW 11 13 13 ALDEAN*JASON MY KINDA PARTY 23,091 -8 25,084 1,862,949
    38 COL 20 25 29 ADELE 19 14,915 -5 15,633 1,391,592
    15 COL 38 26 33 EVANCHO*JACKIE DREAM WITH ME 12,720 -18 15,516 485,711
    11 WAR 29 33 36 SHELTON*BLAKE RED RIVER BLUE 11,250 -15 13,212 325,608
    18 ARNV 31 48 63 PAISLEY*BRAD THIS IS COUNTRY MUSIC 7,588 -20 9,531 487,700
    15 UME 66 67 80 VARIOUS NOW COUNTRY 4 6,077 -16 7,264 160,213
    23 GEFN 165 138 130 AEROSMITH BEST OF AEROSMITH-MILLENNIUM C 3,773 -2 3,836 337,196
    46 WAR 65 137 157 SHELTON*BLAKE LOADED: THE BEST OF BLAKE SHEL 3,132 -19 3,848 408,640
    19 ISL 176 LOPEZ*JENNIFER LOVE? 2,897 10 2,629 262,229
    13 INT 51 103 187 MCCREERY*SCOTTY AMERICAN IDOL SEASON 10: SCOTT 2,752 -42 4,768 185,385
    6 GEFN 144 196 CHANCE*GREYSON HOLD ON ‘TIL THE NIGHT 2,662 -26 3,601 38,836

    LINK

  • Pam

    Top Catalog Albums
    [SoundScan Week Ending September 25, 2011]

    3 190 199 147 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE SOME HEARTS 1335 20 1111 7129748
    20 58 133 157 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 1270 -9 1400 2037305
    1 – - 167 DAUGHTRY DAUGHTRY 1224 30 943 4829400
    1 – - 196 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE CARNIVAL RIDE 1115 55 721 3214641

    LINK

  • Long Kiss Goodnight

    Whan the subject came up a few month ago I have predicted 120k for Scotty’s opening week, I guess I am sticking with it (+/-10k).

  • Elliegrll

    I don’t know. Maybe the 11 years CJ put in working the bars and honky tonks, learning his craft, writing songs. In my book that’s a bit more work than Scotty’s put in so far.

    Scotty is 17, and can’t legally work in too many bars, but that doesn’t mean that he hasn’t done any work to achieve his dream.

    Even though some might not have liked it, his focus during AI was on his career, and not just winning the title. He didn’t play the usual idol game, or try to be someone other than himself, because he wanted country music fans to know what type of music he would release post AI.

    That being said, Casey didn’t get this opportunity because he was working in bars, he got it because of AI, and the same is true for Scotty.

    CJ has proved himself to me through his vids at Key Lounge, thru his excellent guitar skills, thru his husky voice that is distinct and thru his emerging song skills. We’ll see what Scotty does.

    He’s proven that he’s more than a reality star to you, but this message hasn’t reached the general public yet. Since this is the numbers thread, I’m going to wait until Casey actually has some solid achievements, like having a hit song, before I say that he’s graduated from being viewed as just another reality tv star.

    At this point, both Scotty and Casey are still reaping the rewards from being reality tv stars, neither has really proven himself, even though Scotty’s ability to sell ILYTB in the face of opposition from some radio PDs was impressive, and a good sign.

  • Pam

    i-tunes

    Singles
    21. Mr. Know It All – Kelly Clarkson
    40. Remind Me (Duet with Carrie Underwood) – Brad Paisley
    60. Somewhere (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    117. Don’t You Wanna Stay (with Kelly Clarkson) – Jason Aldean
    125. Something’s Coming (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    170. Far Away (feat. Chris Richardson) – Tyga
    178. It’s Not Unusual (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    181. I Love You This Big (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery
    215. You Can’t Stop the Beat (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    241. I’m the Greatest Star (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    276. Happy – Leona Lewis
    279. Undo It – Carrie Underwood
    321. We Got the Beat (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    345. The Trouble With Girls – Scotty McCreery
    382. Like My Mother Does (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    440. Tough – Kellie Pickler
    472. Anything Goes / Anything You Can Do (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    483. Because of You – Kelly Clarkson
    510. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    551. Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    828. Home – Daughtry
    856. Don’t Stop Believin’ (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    900. Cowboy Casanova – Carrie Underwood
    970. Stronger – Mandisa
    1018. Breakaway – Kelly Clarkson

    Albums
    346. Dream With Me – Jackie Evancho
    352. Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 – Glee Cast
    367. Glee: The Music Presents The Warblers – Glee Cast
    395. Glee: The Music, Vol. 6 – Glee Cast
    480. Glee: The Music, Vol. 5 – Glee Cast
    491. Soul Surfer (Music from the Motion Picture) – Various Artists
    660. The Sing-Off: Season 3, Episode 2 – Signature Songs – Various Artists
    684. Glee: The Music, Vol. 3 – Showstoppers (Deluxe Edition) – Glee Cast
    755. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    757. Glee: The Music, Vol. 4 – Glee Cast
    770. What If We Were Real – Mandisa
    861. Breakaway – Kelly Clarkson
    883. Glee: The Music – The Christmas Album – Glee Cast
    951. Carnival Ride – Carrie Underwood
    952. Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals – EP – Glee Cast
    983. Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 – Glee Cast
    984. Spirit (Deluxe Version) – Leona Lewis
    1013. Leave This Town: The B-Sides – EP – Daughtry

  • escape

    but everything I’ve seen about this guy shouts integrity. And in this day in age, a music peep, with his exposure and talent… well, he could have walked away and made his own music.

    Well, Casey James was notorious for stripping off his shirt when auditioning for Idol. He’s gotten a lot of grief for that. So I would not hold his integrity higher than other Idols who have scored record deals. And CJ came on Idol to get that record deal. He had struggled for 11 yrs on trying to break into the business.

    I don’t agree that as an unproven newcomer, he supposedly had all this leverage in deciding what kind of music to release and when to release it, especially for someone who came from one of the most unpopular seasons of Idol ever.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder….

    The next time I close the thread…is for good.

  • cmom

    Reading these lists made me in the mood for Carrie U. so I popped over to youtube and I guess I am totally out of the loop but man, she is amazing on this song with Vince Gill (and his beautiful guitar): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLLMzr3PFgk and I love the expressions on the face on all those other country stars in the audience!

  • Elliegrll

    The labels care. Depending on your debut numbers is what will determine how much the labels are willing to push your album. Yeah they’ll throw enough payola out there in the hopes your first single sells and move some albums but if you still can’t get gold album guarantee that second single will get very little to no push.

    How do you explain labels supporting those artists who are more singles sellers, like Pitbull or Flo Rida? Or, RCA’s continued support of Lady Gaga, when her first single did well, but it took a few months and another hit single for that success to translate to people buying her album. The same can be said for the support that Bruno Mars and Jason Derulo saw from their labels. Both had mega hit singles, but that wasn’t reflected in their initial album sales. With Bruno, his numbers stabilized and increased with the success of his second and third singles, but Jason’s never caught on, but his label still supported him, mainly because he sold so many singles.

    We also have The Script, whose album didn’t do well when they first released it in the US, and neither did their first single, but the label still supported them, and promoted them, and put a lot of money into making sure that “Breakeven” would do well. I don’t think that all that support that VH1 gave them came for free.

  • LVD

    Scotty is 17, and can’t legally work in too many bars, but that doesn’t mean that he hasn’t done any work to achieve his dream.

    Even though some might not have liked it, his focus during AI was on his career, and not just winning the title. He didn’t play the usual idol game, or try to be someone other than himself, because he wanted country music fans to know what type of music he would release post AI.

    It is obviously physically impossible for Scotty to have put in the “hard work” because he is just to young. If Scotty was as old as Casey he would properly have worked just as hard. I think he is very deserving of his opportunities, and he has already established himself in his genre to a degree, which is something most people from idol never achieve. I think his future is really bright, and he is going to be working really hard at it.
    But you cant really say he has worked just as hard as someone like Casey. It is a whole different thing to actually support yourself by doing music for a few years. Of course this is also what many people have against idol contestants in general, they feel they haven’t actually done the hard work, which is off course not always the case. You just cant really compare the two, they are at different places music wise. But both of them have obviously gotten the best deal or the deal that works the best for their situation. In any case it will be much easier for Scotty to achieve commercial success.

    Casey James has no say on when his album will get released. If they had wanted him to put it out 2 months after he got off the Idol tour, he would have had to get it out 2 months after he got off the AI tour. At this stage of his career, he has no leverage

    I dont mean that Casey made the decision on his own or told the label what he wanted or anything like that, I think it is more of a mutual understanding or mutual choice. But who knows, I dont have any concrete proof it is just the idea that I got from this interview:
    http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/music/articles/2011/07/05/20110705casey-james-interview-american-idol.html

    Oh and I also didn’t mean that it was some sort of a brilliant decision or anything like that, the chances of this working out is pretty slim.

  • Weebs787

    As for predictions go, (because who doesn’t love THIS game?) I’ll say Scotty- 100-125k first week and will likely stay pretty consistent after that, like the EP. Lauren- closer to Kris’s numbers, around 75-80k. Pia- I’d be shocked if he she hit Lee’s 39k. She’s had very very little radio presence, and it seems outside the bubble is having just as hard of a time embracing her as those inside. I’ll say 20k, unless they magically pull a hit single out of their hands. James maybe around 40-50k. Haley will depend on the material and release date (i.e. will she get a plum Idol spot like Danny and will she have a radio friendly song or more niche.) All signs point to her and James having similar sized fanbases tho *right now*, so we’ll see.

    IMO, of course.

  • dodon

    There will go all the credibility of American Idol if Scotty McCreery sells big numbers (not that AI has any). His range is non existent and he’s not even remotely good looking. He’ll be peddling hot dogs at the ball park in a couple of years. Season 11 will come along and McCreery will be just another statistic.

    However his career will may become, Scotty doesn’t strike me as a famehound. I don’t think he really cares for the spotlight. If he hits it big, good for him. But if he doesn’t, he’ll be fine regardless. He’s such a family & friends-orientated kid.

  • Tess

    To me, the only thing important about debut numbers for an album is how it will affect the Artist’s position on the best seller display where I purchase my CDs. If I didn’t come to MJs and read the numbers I wouldn’t give a damn about who sells how many and who is selling more.

    I am of the firm belief that most music is bought because someone hears or reads a recommendation, hears a song on the radio and likes it, or sees someone either live or on TV and they like the person and the music they produce. The average consumer doesn’t look at charts…I bet if you asked a casual Carrie or Kelly fan how many albums they have sold and which sold the best, they wouldn’t know or wouldn’t care. And if someone likes Crystal’s or Lee’s sound (for an example) they wouldn’t go back and check numbers to figure out if they should buy the album.

    Don’t get me wrong…I like reading the numbers thread. It’s fun to see how peeps are doing and its fun to see if my “take” on an Artist and their current popularity is actually supported by how they are doing in the real world of present consumerism. But, I will never understand how the “current” position of any artist is relevant to how another artist did 5 or 10 years ago. That just doesn’t tell me anything in any “real” context.

    As far as Scotty…I think he will do well this coming week. I think he has a good current fan base, is very well “defined” as to his sound, and a lot of casual record buyers that pass the endcap at their local store and like country music may recognize him from Idol, or remember him from radio or tv ads, or recall that one of their friends mentioned how much they liked him and may pick up his album and give it a listen.

  • shell29

    If Scotty doesn’t sell more than Kris in his first week, I actually think his career is in trouble.

    I seriously doubt that. Scotty’s career won’t hinge on what his album sells in its first week. Even if he pulls in a big number, he still will need to have steady, consistent album sales over the long haul. Even Kris (who some inside the bubble insist is a failure because his debut album didn’t sell gold) is still working on a second album with his label. Obviously in the “real world” his hit single in terms of chart and sales success (even if it’s the only hit he has at this point) was good enough for his label to sign off on album #2. That carries more weight (IMO) than what some media members and Idol fans might think of him or his accomplishments.

    Even though Lee’s sales haven’t been that great so far, seems to me that the Idol franchise isn’t crumbling because of it. Lee’s still out there performing and making music and I suspect he’ll continue to do so even if he eventually loses his record deal. If Scotty doesn’t end up being the next big thing in country music, the show will go on. I think Scotty will still be able to have a career in the music industry if he chooses to. I think the kid will be just fine regardless of what happens (same with Lauren).

  • sharilee

    Y’all have forgotten about overseas fans who cannot buy the CAD album due a numerous reasons like no credit cards, no I-tune, the know how, the shipping cost, etc.. and can only wait until the album hits shores. That will add up to his sales if they are able to do so.

    We grew up listening to oldies, country songs, pop, rock and jazz. Scotty appeal to us. He is able to bring out the emotions of the songs and his deep tone is smooth and beautiful and he is so focus of what he wants to bel. We don’t really care under which genre he is in as long as he can connect us to his soul. That’s what we did with his AI songs. Put the music on, lay back and enjoy the journey as each song brings.

    I was lucky that I was able to order a few as gifts for my family members. The courier charges are double the cost of the CDs but who really cares. I hope the few that I had ordered will add up to his 1st week sales. I definitely will buy more of his songs as time goes on.
    By the way, I am a Muslim and having the Christian song “King James” in the album does not bother me at all.
    The next idol I am interested in is Haley’s album.

  • Tess

    Just went to I-tunes to look around and see what’s happening and I had to laugh when I see that my favorite group is in the top 50 or so of album sales…the reason for the giggles is that one album was released in 1973 and the other in 1979…almost 40 years ago for Dark Side.

    But the laugh is because people are way to invested, sometimes, in how an album is selling (by ranking) on an internet site without really understanding the dynamics of how things really work. If a new album is selling at number 50 while tons of re-mastered albums are ahead of it does that really say how popular the new guy is compared to his/her contemporaries.

  • Pam

    Yesterday’s above #50 CHR/Pop update:

    49 53 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Richardson 381 420 -39 1.257
    53 58 ALDEAN, JASON/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 270 337 -67 1.619
    80 68 DAUGHTRY Crawling Back To You 186 86 100 0.713
    97 95 CLARKSON, KELLY Let Me Down 53 54 -1 0.227
    130 195 TOSCANO, PIA This Time 12 27 -15 0.033
    222 226 ALLEN, KRIS Heartless 7 7 0 0.031
    — 233 GLEE CAST Something’s Coming 6 0 6 0.048
    249 239 LEWIS, LEONA Collide 6 5 1 0.023

  • aidancash1

    First of all I am positive casey had a say in his album realease. That is why you have good management ect. To compare scotty to casey is stupid.

  • Pam

    Today’s update:

    CHR/Pop
    22 19 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 4092 3311 781 22.207

    HAC
    9 8 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 2906 2520 386 15.508
    33 20 DAUGHTRY Crawling Back To You 1206 410 796 5.86

    AC (1-38)
    5 5 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 1395 1438 -43 8.892
    20 17 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 257 149 108 3.298
    22 22 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 138 148 -10 0.255
    21 23 JOSH GRACIN Long Way To Go 138 149 -11 0.214
    47 35 DAUGHTRY Crawling Back To You 42 12 30 0.855

    Country (1-47, 51, 53, 54)
    31 34 KELLIE PICKLER Tough 1154 1150 4 6.772
    39 39 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 650 612 38 3.457
    45 42 SCOTTY MCCREERY The Trouble With Gir… 400 305 95 2.096
    48 47 CASEY JAMES Let’s Don’t Call It … 348 286 62 1.272

    Urban AC
    11 11 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 1013 1014 -1 6.888

    Rhythmic
    14 14 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Ric… 2699 2847 -148 12.959

    Christian AC
    23 23 MANDISA Waiting For Tomorrow 342 325 17 1.33

    Canada-CHR/Pop
    38 38 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 284 230 54 1.699

    Canada-HAC
    12 8 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 637 530 107 3.512

    Canada-Main AC
    21 17 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 132 93 39 1.28

    Canada-Country
    6 8 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 564 603 -39 1.716

  • cookcricket

    cmom says:
    10/01/2011 at 11:17 pm

    Reading these lists made me in the mood for Carrie U. so I popped over to youtube and I guess I am totally out of the loop but man, she is amazing on this song with Vince Gill (and his beautiful guitar): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLLMzr3PFgk and I love the expressions on the face on all those other country stars in the audience!

    This is exactly what I needed this morning. Thank you for posting! Since this is a numbers thread, I guess I’ll just say one person very touched. (However, it seems the overall number is well over 5 million.) ;)

  • Pam

    i-tunes

    Singles
    21. Mr. Know It All – Kelly Clarkson
    40. Remind Me (Duet with Carrie Underwood) – Brad Paisley
    61. Somewhere (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    116. Don’t You Wanna Stay (with Kelly Clarkson) – Jason Aldean
    140. Something’s Coming (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    166. Far Away (feat. Chris Richardson) – Tyga
    181. I Love You This Big (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery
    182. It’s Not Unusual (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    242. Happy – Leona Lewis
    244. You Can’t Stop the Beat (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    264. I’m the Greatest Star (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    289. Undo It – Carrie Underwood
    342. We Got the Beat (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    362. The Trouble With Girls – Scotty McCreery
    378. Like My Mother Does (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    458. Because of You – Kelly Clarkson
    471. Tough – Kellie Pickler
    488. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    522. Anything Goes / Anything You Can Do (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    569. Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    861. Home – Daughtry
    910. Cowboy Casanova – Carrie Underwood
    952. Don’t Stop Believin’ (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    984. Stronger – Mandisa

    Albums
    312. Glee: The Music Presents The Warblers – Glee Cast
    337. Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 – Glee Cast
    471. Soul Surfer (Music from the Motion Picture) – Various Artists
    558. Hold On ‘Til the Night – Greyson Chance
    637. Glee: The Music, Vol. 5 – Glee Cast
    771. What If We Were Real – Mandisa
    792. Carnival Ride – Carrie Underwood
    793. Glee: The Music, Vol. 3 – Showstoppers (Deluxe Edition) – Glee Cast
    794. Spirit (Deluxe Version) – Leona Lewis
    859. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    860. Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 – Glee Cast
    864. Glee: The Music, Vol. 4 – Glee Cast
    911. The Sing-Off: Season 3: Episode 1 – Signature Songs – Various Artists
    925. Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals – EP – Glee Cast

  • Buffynut

    The only reason I am leaning to very conservative numbers is that the previous 2 seasons of Idol have been very weird. I don’t think anyone has sold what we would have guessed they could sell. So, I think Scotty’s first week numbers will say as much about the ability of the mere Idol title to sell records, as much as it will say about Scotty! After week one, it’s up to radio to do its job.

  • Pam

    Mediabase:
    KELLY CLARKSON – Mr. Know It All: 42.913 (+ 1.209)

  • girlygirl

    Daughtry’s single hit Top 20 on Hot AC in 2 weeks! That’s impressive.

    Anyone have the spin count on rock radio for his other single, “Renegade”?

  • ross

    How do you explain labels supporting those artists who are more singles sellers, like Pitbull or Flo Rida? Or, RCA’s continued support of Lady Gaga, when her first single did well, but it took a few months and another hit single for that success to translate to people buying her album. The same can be said for the support that Bruno Mars and Jason Derulo saw from their labels. Both had mega hit singles, but that wasn’t reflected in their initial album sales. With Bruno, his numbers stabilized and increased with the success of his second and third singles, but Jason’s never caught on, but his label still supported him, mainly because he sold so many singles.

    We also have The Script, whose album didn’t do well when they first released it in the US, and neither did their first single, but the label still supported them, and promoted them, and put a lot of money into making sure that “Breakeven” would do well. I don’t think that all that support that VH1 gave them came for free.

    Very well put. There seems to be a certain unwillingness to accept how times have changed. Execs and stars have gone on record saying it’s a singles market, currently. They’ve said it in so many words.

    That might not last forever, but it’s the current climate.

    I am of the firm belief that most music is bought because someone hears or reads a recommendation, hears a song on the radio and likes it, or sees someone either live or on TV and they like the person and the music they produce. The average consumer doesn’t look at charts…

    A lot of Taylor Swift’s early success has been attributed to constant touring, and strategic TV appearances.

    Don’t get me wrong…I like reading the numbers thread. It’s fun to see how peeps are doing and its fun to see if my “take” on an Artist and their current popularity is actually supported by how they are doing in the real world of present consumerism. But, I will never understand how the “current” position of any artist is relevant to how another artist did 5 or 10 years ago. That just doesn’t tell me anything in any “real” context.

    ITA, me either. Especially, I think it’s too simplistic to compare Idol album sales these days, with years ago – when some of those million-selling Idols haven’t had comparable success since then. “How are they doing lately?” would be more pertinent. Maybe that’s also simplistic but it’s how I see it. It’s a disappointment when Idol album sales don’t match earlier sales, sure. It’s also a disappointment when Idols are dropped by their labels a couple years later, and/or you never hear them on the radio, and/or they never chart. Etc.

    As far as Scotty…I think he will do well this coming week. I think he has a good current fan base, is very well “defined” as to his sound, and a lot of casual record buyers that pass the endcap at their local store and like country music may recognize him from Idol, or remember him from radio or tv ads, or recall that one of their friends mentioned how much they liked him and may pick up his album and give it a listen.

    I think Scotty will sell very well. He’s certainly not breaking any new ground, but that’s probably a good thing. His music is nothing original or demanding, but, again, that’s not a minus.

    Also, in a whole season of Idol, he was heavily praised all the time. That’s great publicity. A positive aura was created around him that was reinforced weekly.

    And I wouldn’t discount the fact that there’s a new label. Sony was probably in a rut. This label seems competitive and eager to prove they know how to sell stars. And they don’t seem to be dividing their loyalties too much. Maybe they thought they would give a lot of attention to Pia but we haven’t heard much about that lately. So he’s the one.

    Finally, he’s a country artist, he can be successful without having to crack the big pop and HAC markets, or compete with the pop and pop-rock artists like the more recent winners. Of course, he will still be expected to make Top 10 of the Billboard Top 200 album chart. But that depends on how stiff his competition is that week.

  • Tess

    Maybe they thought they would give a lot of atrention to Pia but we haven’t heard much about that lately

    No diss intended towards Pia but I will never believe that she was much more than the girl in the pitre dish who Jimmy Iovine, Interscope and Universal used to provide a basis that they could “make” a star from someone who had weekly exposure to 20 million people and was relatively a good singer. (As an aside I will be surprised if she is given a lot more support considering how her single did so poorly and her media attention hasn’t been that great….they have already spent a lot of monies on her without any positive results).

    Not to judge Sony too harshly I thought that the last two years of their contract with Idol became a pretty tough sell for them. Irregardless of how “really” different the last winners were they were, nevertheless, part of a genre of music that wasn’t getting a lot of current attention and their styles were quite close to other artists who were already on top of the heap. It’s often a tough sell when the Artist brings nothing really new to the table. Conversely, Interscope (though not country orientated) is being given a “fresh” type of product that is something different coming from Idol.

    This time it is a traditional country Artist tied up in a whole new and very young package that not only appeals to the established country market but also to young guys and gals who may be listening to country music for the first time because they enjoyed Scotty on the show. They have a “different” and pretty unique product to promote…always fun for a record label.

  • gangreen29

    ITA, me either. Especially, I think it’s too simplistic to compare Idol album sales these days, with years ago – when some of those million-selling Idols haven’t had comparable success since then.

    But when it is that artists first album as well, why compare them with the follow up instead of the first? I think it is a pretty fair comparison, sorry.

    I think Scotty will sell very well. He’s certainly not breaking any new ground, but that’s probably a good thing. His music is nothing original or demanding, but, again, that’s not a minus.

    Has anyone from Idol had original or demanding music? Not that I can think of. Maybe you know of some examples, but I really don’t see how that was ever a concern for any of the idol alumni.

    Also, in a whole season of Idol, he was heavily praised all the time. That’s great publicity, and a postive aura was reinforced weekly,

    He was praised because he did well, so you are probably right in the fact that his doing well on the show will help him in the future.

    So they will sell Scotty like no Idol has been sold for a long time. imho.

    I don’t agree. He is getting pretty standard idol winner promotion. It isn’t Scotty’s fault that more people are interested in that promotion than in some of the past few winners.

    Finally, he’s a country artist, he can be successful without having to crack the big pop and HAC markets.

    And pop and HAC artists can be successful without cracking the country or rhythmic markets…not really sure your point with this.

    But there are a lof of major pop and pop-rock artists he won’t have to directly compete with, for radio play, and on the charts.

    And the pop-rock artists off idol didn’t have to compete with the major country artists, so again not really sure the point you are trying to make.

  • Elliegrll

    First of all I am positive casey had a say in his album realease. That is why you have good management ect. To compare scotty to casey is stupid.

    If Casey dictated this schedule that means that he had more power than people like Kelly and Carrie, which would be odd, since he hasn’t had any of the success that they have. It would also be odd since Casey said that he wanted to front a band, he was given one, but suddenly that band didn’t exist, even though they’d never even played together in earnest. I think its disbanding, and the focus changing to promoting Casey as a solo artist, shows how much control the label has.

  • aidancash1

    You are just ignorant and dot know what your talking about. First of all casey is in a different position then if he would of won and the country market is so different then other genres. You sit down with the label before you sign and you lay out your goals.Casey has said his lable management and him are on the same timetable and page. You people really need to get out of the idol bubble and realize he isnt doing things like a normal contestant has done.

  • ross

    I think Scotty will sell very well. He’s certainly not breaking any new ground, but that’s probably a good thing. His music is nothing original or demanding, but, again, that’s not a minus.

    Has anyone from Idol had original or demanding music? Not that I can think of.

    I never compared him to other constestants. I was just talking about Scotty and how I think he’ll do, and why. I could debate how his music stacks up against other people’s, but I wasn’t doing that.

    So they will sell Scotty like no Idol has been sold for a long time. imho.

    I don’t agree. He is getting pretty standard idol winner promotion. It isn’t Scotty’s fault that more people are interested in that promotion than in some of the past few winners.

    I don’t think “more people” are interested in Scotty’s promotion.

    I thought what I said was clear. A label working with Idol for the first time will do things differently. It seems they already did things differently, like releasing Pia’s single while she was still on tour, and having her sing it on tour. I think they’re more aggressive than Sony has been, but you can disagree.

    I was just saying this might be a plus for Scotty. Sorry if it somehow came across to you as a criticism of him.

    As to the rest of it, the most popular radio show in the US is the countdown show, American Top 40. It has 20+ million listeners worldwide. And some of the biggest radio stations are CHR-Top 40. Country stations are popular but not as popular. So while I don’t think it’s easy to make your mark in country, I think it’s harder to break into Top 40. It seems to be the most popular music in the US (and possibly, the world).

    I could be wrong. If so, I have no problem with being corrected.

  • karenc

    Tess:

    I am of the firm belief that most music is bought because someone hears or reads a recommendation, hears a song on the radio and likes it, or sees someone either live or on TV and they like the person and the music they produce. The average consumer doesn’t look at charts…I bet if you asked a casual Carrie or Kelly fan how many albums they have sold and which sold the best, they wouldn’t know or wouldn’t care. And if someone likes Crystal’s or Lee’s sound (for an example) they wouldn’t go back and check numbers to figure out if they should buy the album.

    I agree with this. I don’t think people look at numbers that closely, but with more radio play, obvously more people will hear a certain song, with the potential of buying it. And if someone likes a genre of music that is generally not on the radio, they will have to use other means of finding new music, such as the internet, even internet radio. It doesn’t mean that they won’t have an audience.

    One of the things that Idol has done is give a platform for some singers that might not be considered pop in todays market.

  • gangreen29

    I was just saying this might be a plus for Scotty. Sorry if it somehow came across to you as a criticism of him.

    It didn’t come across like a criticism. It did come across like you were trying to lessen his accomplishments, but maybe you weren’t.

    As to the rest of it, the most popular radio show in the US is the countdown show, American Top 40. It has 20+ million listeners worldwide. And some of the biggest radio stations are CHR-Top 40. Country stations are popular but not as popular. So while I don’t think it’s easy to make your mark in country, I think it’s harder to break into Top 40. It seems to be the most popular music in the US

    So if it is the more popular format, how does that translate into it being harder to break into? Do you have numbers of the artists that try to break into pop music vs country music? I would think having more radio listeners and wider support for your music genre would make it easier to break into.

  • ross

    So if it is the more popular format, how does that translate into it being harder to break into? Do you have numbers of the artists that try to break into pop music vs country music? I would think having more radio listeners and wider support for your music genre would make it easier to break into.

    That’s a good point. But I think it’s the opposite, because there’s so much competition. The sheer numbers of people competing may be greater. But, you know, it’s no big deal, and like I said I could be wrong so I’m willing to drop it. It’s still hard for anyone to break into any popular genre of music, including country. Not saying it isn’t.

    I was just trying to list ways Scotty might benefit from circumstances. Because I think various circumstances other than popularity and talent do play a part in success in music. But not suggesting a lack of popularity or talent. I just didn’t mention these factors because I thought that they were a given. I think “popular and talented” applies to all Idol winners (so far). It’s just how it plays out, and a lot of things factor into how it ends up playing out.

  • Elliegrll

    You are just ignorant and dot know what your talking about.

    That’s harsh, especially since neither of us were present during the meetings that Casey had with his label.

    The majority of artists never competed on AI, nor were they winners, yet none of them have the power to tell a label when their album will be released, or what songs will be on the album. So why would Casey James be any different? An artist can state what they want, but the final decision is the labels. A new artist, especially one coming off of a reality show, doesn’t have a lot of bargaining power.

    Casey has said his lable management and him are on the same timetable and page.

    You’d be hard pressed to find an artist who doesn’t say this. It would also be hard to find any artist and label who agree on every single thing, especially since so many people are involved in the process.

  • Kirsten

    You’d be hard pressed to find an artist who doesn’t say this

    It’s a rare artist that says that at album release (the most obvious example is the great Kelly-Clive wars of ’07 and it appears the label won that one in the end).

    Yet, we frequently hear months later that things weren’t all hugs and kisses and listening to everything the artist had to say.

    It does make sense not to tell the world that your new album sucks (Kelly didn’t say that, Clive did).

  • aidancash1

    Noone said casey told the label when to release his album. But there is nothing farfetched that him and his people are all on the same page. Nwot every idol has to release a album months after idol. Do you really think the label would be giving him this time to find the right music if they didnt believe in what he was doing. The answer is no. Once he finds the right music for him with this first album subsequent albums will work out much quicker. I dont care what anyone says casey isnt the typical idol contestant. He has something special and if radio gives him a chance he has the goods.

  • alterego7

    Noone said casey told the label when to release his album. But there is nothing farfetched that him and his people are all on the same page. Nwot every idol has to release a album months after idol. Do you really think the label would be giving him this time to find the right music if they didnt believe in what he was doing. The answer is no. Once he finds the right music for him with this first album subsequent albums will work out much quicker. I dont care what anyone says casey isnt the typical idol contestant. He has something special and if radio gives him a chance he has the goods.

    Casey has said that he has written a lot of songs since Idol – that was a year and half ago. So not sure why they still can’t find the right music? Casey went on Idol to jump start his career. His label would not have signed him without that visibility. And if Season 9 was a weak season, Casey was part of that line up.

    Looking at how his single is performing, I see a repeat of what happened to Jason Castro, who many said waited too long after Idol to release his music.

    It also would be hard press to find a fan who doesn’t claim that their favorite has something special.

  • Elliegrll

    Noone said casey told the label when to release his album. But there is nothing farfetched that him and his people are all on the same page. Nwot every idol has to release a album months after idol. Do you really think the label would be giving him this time to find the right music if they didnt believe in what he was doing. The answer is no. Once he finds the right music for him with this first album subsequent albums will work out much quicker. I dont care what anyone says casey isnt the typical idol contestant. He has something special and if radio gives him a chance he has the goods.

    No one said that the label doesn’t believe in Casey. If they didn’t believe in him they wouldn’t have signed him. I’ve always said that waiting was a good thing for Casey, because it allowed him to pay his dues by working festivals, and getting to know some of the people in the industry. In a way, Casey’s journey is a good example of artist development.

    But, what I am saying is that Casey wouldn’t be in this position if it wasn’t for AI, and the same is true for Scotty and everyone else who went through the show. Casey hasn’t worked harder than any of the other former alums, and I doubt that he has any more power than they do.

    If I’m going to point out how Casey’s situation is different, I’d say that he’s going to be treated more like a new artist by consumers and those in radio than most of the top finishers. The AI connection will help him in some areas, but it’s probably not going to mean much to PDs, and as his single release showed, his debut numbers aren’t going to see a huge impact from AI fans buying his music. This doesn’t mean that Casey won’t be successful, it’s just that any buzz from his AI run is long gone. From the start his success will be dependent on his music and his promotion, but eventually, this will be the situation that all of the alums will find themselves in.

  • Pippygirl

    I dont care what anyone says casey isnt the typical idol contestant. He has something special and if radio gives him a chance he has the goods.

    We all think our idol favorites aren’t typical and have something special. That’s because they’re our favorites. It’s great that you’re so passionate about CJ. Hopefully what you think will come true for him.

  • aidancash1

    His single is doing just fine and is rising just like most new country artists songs go up the charts. lol. You need to go do some research on how the country charts work. Casey is in a popular genre and so far is doing just fine. Who said he hasnt found the right music. Casey is writing all his music not having songs thrown at him and picking other peoples songs. Even scotty said in the recent country weekly it typically takes a year to work on a album and get it ready for realease. Casey is right on track. LOL

  • meme4cj_

    Looking at how his single is performing, I see a repeat of what happened to Jason Castro, who many said waited too long after Idol to release his music

    On which format Castro’s single was ? which label ? wouldn’t that be more similar to Gokey’s recent single that disappeared from the charts after only 6 weeks ? hmmmm …

  • aidancash1

    No I am not that way with all my favs and dont always think they have the goods. My thoughts on casey have nothing to do with him being my fav. Go take a look at some pics and vids will be coming soon from jacksonville. HAe has what daughtry has and you cant deny that. But that doesnt mean he will be big it just means he has all the elements to do that

  • Elliegrll

    HAe has what daughtry has and you cant deny that.

    I can deny that. I’ll also point out one area where Casey is like Jason Castro is that they both gave up before they were eliminated from AI. I like both, but that rubs me the wrong way, so I think that it’s appropriate that both will and have to work harder than some other idol alums to get their music noticed.

    I think that Casey’s single is great, and that he’s very talented, and so are most of the other idol alums.

  • meme4cj_

    No one said that the label doesn’t believe in Casey. If they didn’t believe in him they wouldn’t have signed him. I’ve always said that waiting was a good thing for Casey, because it allowed him to pay his dues by working festivals, and getting to know some of the people in the industry. In a way, Casey’s journey is a good example of artist development.

    But, what I am saying is that Casey wouldn’t be in this position if it wasn’t for AI, and the same is true for Scotty and everyone else who went through the show. Casey hasn’t worked harder than any of the other former alums, and I doubt that he has any more power than they do. They are all special, and all of them can succeed with luck, and if radio and the general public gives them a chance.

    I agree with your first paragraph . and half agree with the second lol :) I think the point is when you have a good management represents you, you can get more from your label and take care of what is the best for you . Casey’s managaement has been very great so far ( at least in the past 7 months , we shall see how it will go when he releases the album ) . Also, BNA’s ad. for his single on Country Aircheck this week at least confirms that he’s getting the labels’s support ( and most importantly , not cancelling his vid shoot the last minute ;) ) .

  • aidancash1

    Yep good management is almost more important then the label. Rodney akins was fluttering because he didnt have the management to make sure his best songs that represented him were on his cd and releasedd as a single. Once he got different management and took charge of his career have things turned around. Same with blake shelton. He was always hit and miss with his singles until he got rebas husband as his manager. A artist has to have good management and also needs to stand strong to what they believe in. Or the label will run all over you.

  • lucysfave

    meme4cj_ says:
    10/02/2011 at 2:32 pm

    Looking at how his single is performing, I see a repeat of what happened to Jason Castro, who many said waited too long after Idol to release his music

    On which format Castro’s single was ? which label ? wouldn’t that be more similar to Gokey’s recent single that disappeared from the charts after only 6 weeks ?

    Hmmm… maybe you should back up and compare Casey’s first single with Danny’s first single. And then when Casey is huge, we can compare his third single to the problems Danny is having with Second Hand Heart.

    As a Danny fan, it is frustrating. But time off of Idol can fade a fanbase. However, anyone that watched Danny’s run on Idol knows that Danny is made of strong stuff, and he will not be giving up. He recently tweeted that if Plan A doesn’t work, don’t worry. There are 25 more letters in the alphabet.

    We will be blessed (and for those of you that don’t care for his music, cursed) with Daniel J. for a long time.

  • Pam

    Mediabase cont.
    KELLIE PICKLER -Tough= 7.904 (-0.024)
    DAUGHTRY -Crawling Back To You= 7.622 (+0.766)
    LAUREN ALAINA -Like My Mother Does= 3.731 (+0.008)
    SCOTTY MCCREERY -The Trouble With Girls= 2.308 (+0.118)
    CASEY JAMES-Let’s Don’t Call It A Night= 1.325 (+0.068)

  • Tess

    A artist has to have good management and also needs to stand strong to what they believe in

    And when they only sell a few thousand albums of their debut or less than a 10th of what they did on their debut album for their follow-up we can all rejoice in the fact that someone had “control” over the content and the timing of their album.

    If the last few Idol releases (whether follow-up albums from season 7) or new releases from season 9 we can say that the artist is not always “right” about their material. As far as I know all 4 of these albums had heavy contributions from the Artist, were in a style that the artist chose, and none became best sellers.

    As much as we, the bubble, tend to paint the record companies as evil they (Sony) did an admirable job for the Idolettes. In fact it is kind of ironic that as an Idolette seems to get more control their sales success seems to diminish. It will be interesting to see how Season 8 does with their follow-up albums to see if they can improve on their debuts since we know they have all said they are more”invested” this time around.

  • ross

    Jason Castro didn’t get an album out quickly becasue he didn’t even get signed until almost a year after he competed on Idol (actually, 11 months). Then he took another year to get the album out. But if he had been signed a year earlier, he might have gotten it out a year earlier.

    Anyhow I don’t think Casey took that long to be signed and I don’t think he’ll take quite that long to release an album.

    I’ll also point out one area where Casey is like Jason Castro is that they both gave up before they were eliminated from AI. I like both, but that rubs me the wrong way, so I think that it’s appropriate that both will and have to work harder than some other idol alums to get their music noticed.

    I didn’t watch all of S7, but I did watch S9 and I don’t remember that Casey gave up. Is that what everyone thought?

  • JudyOhio

    Anything going recurrent on country today, or has it already. I forgot what day that happened but thought it was on Sunday. Where’s windmills …..windmillsssss…where are youuuuuuuuu?

  • Inconnu

    There are 3 recurrents on Mediabase: Gloriana, Jake Owen & Billy Currington.

  • Ratna12

    Where’s windmills …..windmillsssss…where are youuuuuuuuu?

    windmills is very busy these days.

  • Kirsten

    I forgot what day that happened but thought it was on Sunday. Where’s windmills …..windmillsssss…where are youuuuuuuuu?

    Yes. Songs go recurrent on Sunday afternoon.

    Here are the moves on Country for Idols since this morning:
    34->32 KELLIE PICKLER Tough
    39->37 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does
    42->40 SCOTTY MCCREERY The Trouble With Girls
    47->45 CASEY JAMES Let’s Don’t Call It…

  • LVD

    If Casey dictated this schedule that means that he had more power than people like Kelly and Carrie, which would be odd, since he hasn’t had any of the success that they have. It would also be odd since Casey said that he wanted to front a band, he was given one, but suddenly that band didn’t exist, even though they’d never even played together in earnest. I think its disbanding, and the focus changing to promoting Casey as a solo artist, shows how much control the label has.

    I am not an idol watcher so I dont know how things went in the early days. But from what I can tell from reading here, things have changed a bit and it isn’t as one sided as it once were.

    As I said it not so much about dictating, draconian rule or giving instructions to the label – that doesn’t even fit Casey’s personality in any case. It is a mutual agreement and contract. Any contract has two parties, obviously a new artists wouldn’t have that much power when they are a signing a contract. But I believe it is still a negotiation, and not just a dictation of what an artist must do. Not everything is always the extreme case scenario, meaning that an artist doesn’t have just full power or no power at all, there is also a middle way.

    I didn’t watch all of S7, but I did watch S9 and I don’t remember that Casey gave up. Is that what everyone thought?

    There were so much manipulation going on in case, I think Casey was just happy with what he got, I wouldn’t say that is giving up. In any event how long is idol? It is just one very small part of your life, the rest of your career ahead is much more important.

  • JudyOhio

    Thanks Kirsten!

  • LVD

    Casey has said that he has written a lot of songs since Idol – that was a year and half ago. So not sure why they still can’t find the right music?

    Why would you say that? Casey is still performing the same songs as a year ago and he has recorded some of them. And of course he writes the songs so he isn’t really finding them.

    Looking at how his single is performing, I see a repeat of what happened to Jason Castro, who many said waited too long after Idol to release his music.

    That could certainly happen there is no guarantees in the real music industry.

    But, what I am saying is that Casey wouldn’t be in this position if it wasn’t for AI, and the same is true for Scotty and everyone else who went through the show. Casey hasn’t worked harder than any of the other former alums, and I doubt that he has any more power than they do.

    I like both, but that rubs me the wrong way, so I think that it’s appropriate that both will and have to work harder than some other idol alums to get their music noticed.

    That is a little bit contradictory, no?

    But in any case, I am not trying to be obtuse or anything, although it might seem that way. But I am sorry in my opinion it is just wrong to say that a high school kid has worked just as hard at music as someone who has who has been surviving by just doing music for 12 years. It is just a whole different ball game. And I dont mean this as something against Scotty, I actually like Scotty a lot and think he is very talented and very mature, and as I said there isn’t anything wrong with the fact that he hasn’t done the hard work because he is obviously too young to have done so.
    Therefore, what is so wrong with saying Casey has worked harder then Scotty? It isn’t an insult, it is more like stating the obvious.
    Perhaps if Scotty (or Aaron or Lauren any of these teenagers for that matter) were doing shows almost everyday and supporting their whole family, then yes I would say they have been working just as hard. The younger ones are just lucky that they got their break before they had to go out and do the work.

    For me it is more a case of giving credit where credit is due, it is a slight against many hard working musicians, to say that a high school teenager has worked just as hard as them. Just because you go on idol it doesn’t automatically delete the life you had before idol. For example if it wasn’t for someone like Casey’s years of working as a musician he wouldn’t have been the musician or guitarist that he is today, things like these takes lots and lots of practice, iow work. So your life before and after idol isn’t two mutually exclusive components. I am glad they are discovering talent earlier these days, but I personally feel it is still wrong to dismiss the bar circuit or normal working musicians who aren’t signed to labels, it is hard work to survive that way.

    As for the future yes I agree someone like Casey would obviously have to work harder at it then someone like Scotty, they are in different places and different situations so it is appropriate. But evenso hard work also doesn’t guarantee anything, unfortunately.

  • Elliegrll

    That is a little bit contradictory, no?

    How is it contradictory? One part is about pre idol, the other post idol, and the fact that both Scotty and Casey are in the positions that they are in because of AI. Both Casey and Jason had a chance to go further in the competition, or to do a better job of showing people who they are, but they gave up towards the end of the their run. The result is that they won’t get to benefit from the same type of buzz as the people who finished higher, or those who did a better job of ingratiating themselves to the public.

    Both Jason and Casey get the benefit of being on a major label, which is something that they are getting because of AI, and not because they worked in bars pre idol, but both will be treated more like new artists.

    There are plenty of people who spend their teen years honing their craft by writing songs, taking part in school bands or forming their own bands, and performing in front of an audience. Whether or not they are doing it to feed their family doesn’t come into play in terms of whether or not they are working towards becoming better singers/musicians/writers.

  • butterbean

    ross
    I didn’t watch all of S7, but I did watch S9 and I don’t remember that Casey gave up. Is that what everyone thought?

    ross, I am a Casey J. fan – not fanatic but will buy his CD when it (finally) comes out. Yes, IMO the general feeling was that Casey gave up.

    ETA: I don’t mean this negatively toward Casey. I think the general feeling in the Idol bubble was that Casey was exhausted with the manipulation/bussing he got and is pretty happy with who he is anyway so he kinda just fizzled out like Castro did.

  • ross

    ross, I am a Casey J. fan – not fanatic but will buy his CD when it (finally) comes out. Yes, IMO the general feeling was that Casey gave up.

    I like him – I cast a lot of votes for him that season. Yeah, now that you mention it, I vaguely remember some of that. But to be honest, I forget, at this point. Everyone has to go home sometime, anyhow.

    He just seems to me like a very real dude who gets the job done, and not a lot of b.s. I also like his musicianship and I think he’s a good singer. Also, he’s paid some dues and he’s worked hard at his craft.

  • LVD

    How is it contradictory? One part is about pre idol, the other post idol, and the fact that both Scotty and Casey are in the positions that they are in because of AI. Both Casey and Jason had a chance to go further in the competition, or to do a better job of showing people who they are, but they gave up towards the end of the their run. The result is that they won’t get to benefit from the same type of buzz as the people who finished higher, or those who did a better job of ingratiating themselves to the public.

    Both Jason and Casey get the benefit of being on a major label, which is something that they are getting because of AI, and not because they worked in bars pre idol, but both will be treated more like new artists.

    There are plenty of people who spend their teen years honing their craft by writing songs, taking part in school bands or forming their own bands, and performing in front of an audience. Whether or not they are doing it to feed their family doesn’t come into play in terms of whether or not they are working towards becoming better singers/musicians/writers.

    I think we might perhaps be on different wavelengths.
    Yes, Casey got a break because he was on idol, I wasn’t saying that wasn’t the case. And evenso Gary Overton still went to a live show to see Casey perform before the contract was singed. I guess I just dont really see how that has much to do with Casey right now, he was signed more then a year ago, so for me it is in the past.
    But really when it comes down to it, idol is a reality show where people sing covers. It is a whole different thing from the real music industry. When it comes down it you are never really going to show what type of artist you are with theme nights and by doing covers from a restricted song list. By all accounts around here many people who were considered to be great contestants hasn’t always gone on to produce great music. Producing good music and showing that you have talent are two different things. Many artists who produces great music wouldn’t make it far on idol. Until someone has actually produced his/ her own music it is really difficult to say. On top of that idol remains a tv show first and foremost, they cast people in different roles which is exactly what happened with Casey. Casey was cast as the goofy rocker, good looking guy who is getting by on his looks while Lee was chosen for the part of the shy but serious rocker who is growing all of the time. That is what the producers wanted and that is the results that they got. I mean just looking at it a bit closer, playing instruments on idol are seen as strike against you for example. People always wanted to see Casey perform or proof himself by dropping his guitar, how does that show what type of artist he is when he is actually a lead guitar player and singer? In real life I dont see people telling John Mayer to stop playing the guitar. And this is just one small example of how idol have their own little rules and regulations that are meaningless in relation to the rest of the music industry. I will say this though, I dont think idol was ever really the right venue for the type of artist that Casey is, just looking at the practical side of things, the length of the songs are to short and the whole concept is to restrictive. Saying Casey would have been better off if he had finished higher is also debatable, he would not have been on a country label if that was the case. Anyways it is for all of these reasons that the whole idol journey isn’t very valuable for me personally when I am evaluating artists, there are just to many factors at play and everyone’s case is different. But I can understand if someone else might add more value to what happened when a person was on idol.

    Yes there are many teens who writes songs and hone their crafts while they are still in school, Casey also did this. Out of curiosity is Scotty a songwriter? I think he hasn’t written any songs for this album?(Yeah, I know he didn’t have the time). I know he plays the guitar, but from what I ve seen he isn’t an above average guitar player or anything. But I am just saying it is different when you have to support yourself by making music for a few years. It does require hard work and dedication. Since we have been talking about S9 I will use S9 examples, Casey’s brother said that his nails would sometimes fall off due to all of the guitar playing, and they used to stick it on again with super glue so that he could just do his gigs. Or that he had to do so many gigs and sing for so many hours a day that his voice disappeared for a year and a half. I might be wrong but I recall something about Crystal busking a lot, and having to life in a car. I am sure there are many examples of other people from idol who also used to work hard at it before the show.
    My point is all of these things are just not the same as a high school student writing songs living comfortably under their parents roof. (This is what teenagers should be doing so I am not saying there is anything wrong with it, I am just saying it isn’t same).
    If you had used someone like Hunter Hayes as an example then I might have agreed. Living the real musicians life and being a high school student writing music and practicing the guitar(or whatever instrument you play) just isn’t comparable. For me it is about giving credit where credit is due, and working musicians sometimes deserves more credit. Of course once you are on a major label all of these things often fly out of the window.
    At the end of the day if you like someone’s music it really doesn’t matter what their journey was to produce that music, or how old they are, the main thing is that you like the music. But I personally respect artists who have payed their dues. We can agree to disagree on this.