Weekend Countdown Shows – 02/26/11

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Every weekend, there are countless countdown shows. VH1’s top 20 videos. Ryan’s American Top 40. Rick Dee’s Weekly Top 40 and many more. If you find an Idol on one of these shows, please post it here!

This is the general numbers thread for the weekend. So, if you find some cool numbers, this is the thread for posting them.



VH1 Top 20 Countdown
2.26.2011 (thanks tripp_ncwy)

No Idols (Crystal is out after 7 weeks and a peak at number 9)

CMT top 20: (thanks Valentin432)

#13 (15) Farmer’s Daughter (Crystal Bowersox)
#1 (2) Don’t You Wanna Stay (Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson)

GAC top 20:

#5 (5) Don’t You Wanna Stay (Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson)
#1 (2) Mama’s Song (Carrie Underwood)

CMT Pure 12-Pack:

#2 (2) Farmer’s Daughter (Crystal Bowersox)
#1 (1) You Take Yourself With You (Bo Bice)

 
  • Elliegrll

    Crystal’s song is still on VH1′s playlist for next week, so it could re-enter the countdown next Saturday.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Mediabase (rolling)

    US

    AC
    2 2 DAUGHTRY September 1731 1659 72 10.154

    HAC

    48 45 KIMBERLY CALDWELL Desperate Girls & St… 181 176 5 0.177

    JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON DYWTS – Impact Date March 07, 2011
    Glee Cast Loser Like Me – Impact Date March 07, 2011

    Adult Hits
    22 20 DAUGHTRY September 55 53 2 0.18
    28 27 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 41 40 1 0.249
    32 31 DAUGHTRY No Surprise 35 35 0 0.184

    Country
    4 2 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 5338 4849 489 39.176

    Top 40
    40 36 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 1138 912 226 6.366

    Glee Cast Loser Like Me – Impact Date February 28, 2011

    AAA
    48 43 CRYSTAL BOWERSOX Farmer’s Daughter 62 52 10 0.122

    Urban
    25 22 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 1084 951 133 5.883

    Urban AC
    5 6 FANTASIA I’m Doin’ Me 1623 1634 -11 11.048
    16 15 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 693 532 161 4.397
    29 27 CHARLIE WILSON f/FANTASIA I Wanna Be Your Man … 223 182 41 1.186

    Rhythmic
    47 44 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 647 555 92 3.177

    Canadian

    Top 40
    28 28 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 404 408 -4 2.486

    HAC
    37 31 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 240 199 41 1.825

    Main-AC
    7 8 DAUGHTRY September 290 286 4 1.542

    Country
    2 2 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 767 722 45 2.089

  • tripp_ncwy

    Crystal’s song is still on VH1’s playlist for next week, so it could re-enter the countdown next Saturday.

    We will have to wait and see if it remains there after today’s update. It will be very hard to re-enter without some major event happening to generate renewed interest. They did not give countdown contenders so who knows how far out she was.

  • Elliegrll

    We will have to wait and see if it remains there after today’s update. It will be very hard to re-enter without some major event happening to generate renewed interest. They did not give countdown contenders so who knows how far out she was.

    FMQB already updated, http://fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=16025. I don’t think that VH1 takes songs off of the voting list, when they are still on their playlist. I’ve seen songs removed from the countdown, even when they have been ranked in the top five, because VH1 removed them from their overall playlist. That’s what happened to “Already Gone” and “3″, at the time of their removal, they were the top 2 songs on the countdown.

  • Valentin432

    CMT top 20:

    #13 (15) Farmer’s Daughter (Crystal Bowersox)
    #1 (2) Don’t You Wanna Stay (Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson)

    GAC top 20:

    #5 (5) Don’t You Wanna Stay (Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson)
    #1 (2) Mama’s Song (Carrie Underwood)

    CMT Pure 12-Pack:

    #2 (2) Farmer’s Daughter (Crystal Bowersox)
    #1 (1) You Take Yourself With You (Bo Bice)

    ETA: Kind of crazy that 3 different idol alumnis are leading the three countdowns

  • windmills

    It’s interesting how DYWS is going for HAC adds March 7th. I wonder how that’ll play with Kelly’s lead single release.

    DYWS is holding at #2 Mediabase, 210 points behind Big Evil Machine and 270 points ahead of This Is Country Music. Look for TICM to possibly gain on DYWS the next couple of days but I don’t think it’ll pass DYWS. The AI gap between DYWS and Big Evil Machine has always been bigger on Billboard than Mediabase so I still think DYWS is looking good for #1 Billboard this week.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Rick Dees HOT ADULT 02-26-2011

    #22 Sweet Serendipity – Lee DeWyze
    #31 September – Daughtry

  • Miss Blue

    Wow. Kind of surprised by how high Lee is on Rick Dees. Guess that song isn’t quite dead yet.

  • girlygirl

    iTunes

    #47 What Are Words – Chris Medina

  • girlygirl

    Miss Blue

    Rick Dees’ show is at least 2 weeks behind the actual radio charts. So songs are often way higher on his countdown than they are on the mediabase and/or Billboard radio charts. This has happened with a bunch of songs from ex-Idols in the past

  • Miss Blue

    Thanks, girlygirl. I was not aware of that but it explains the Lee thing.

  • Eileen99

    I guess it’s inevitable at this point Taylor will have the #1 Country song on the final chart this weekend. Boo. DYWS will need to wait until next week.

    I understand the Glee song, Loser Like Me, got several spins yesterday on KBIG, the HAC station in Los Angeles. I didn’t see those spins show up at yes, but the song must now be loaded into their database because spins are starting to show up this morning – spins at the Pop stations in Orlando & Lansing, Michigan have popped up in the last half hour. And so it begins.

    I’m kind of interested to see if the usual Idol-friendly suspects will pick up the Glee song right away.

  • windmills

    Eileen99 DYWS will need to wait until next week.

    On Mediabase. But probably not on Billboard :)

  • Andy11

    Crystal got a nice bump from her impromptu performance of Mine All Mine at the Opry last night. She is back in the top 100 on iTunes right now. I was fortunate to download the Opry app on my iphone just in time to hear her sing. She sounded great and the crowd just plain erupted when she finished. She was obviously blown away by the whole thing.

  • dishwalla

    I’m really surprise that Crystal even played at the Grand Ole Opry. I don’t ever recall her even remotely representing any Country music when she was on Idol. She doesn’t live in Nashville. And last I heard, she was still signed to Jive and marketed in the Top 40 Pop genre. There’s a lot of irony, since past Idols who have gone the Country route, but did not sing with a twang, were bullied to death for being “carpet baggers”.

  • Indigobunting

    Dishwalla, I had the impression it was a last minute fill in for someone, since she wasn’t on the schedule. And she is in Nashville since she has an intimate concert tonight at the Bluebird. It seems like she only sang one song? Usually they sing 2 or 3.

    Well, she did sing a country song for country week and although it wasn’t a popular performance I thought it was nice.

    There are plenty of people who do an ad hoc or one time performance at the Opry that aren’t country so her appearance isn’t unusual. Matt Giraud was there singing with Anna Wilson- they did their jazz duet. So they do showcase some other genre singers along with the regular country singers that seem to appear on a regular basis.

  • Eriko

    I’m really surprise that Crystal even played at the Grand Ole Opry.

    As I understand it, she wasn´t scheduled to sing, she was there only as a part of the audience, until Vince Gill called her up and asked if she´d take the stage for one song. This was more of a surprise to Crystal than anyone else. She tweeted:

    Crystal Bowersox
    I can’t believe that just happened. Thank you @opry and Vince Gill!

    And as Andy11 said, she´s now for the first time in a couple of weeks in the top 100 on itunes and now #21 on Amazon after being mostly in the 40-60 the last couple weeks. I doubt these changes can be solely related to singing one song at the Grand Ole Opry, or could it?

  • MrDuffin

    That is the good thing about Crystal. She does not really “fit” anywhere so she can “fit” everywhere.

  • tinawina

    And last I heard, she was still signed to Jive and marketed in the Top 40 Pop genre.

    Jive has been marketing her to AAA radio (the folkie friendly music snob format) and a bit to country. She also seems to have gotten a mild push at HAC (soft rock friendly). There has been no Top 40 push to speak of.

    I think they are going alt-country with Crystal.

  • steph6449

    There has been no Top 40 push to speak of.

    Crystal has visited some pop stations though, along with AAA and HAC. No country stations that I’ve heard about except CMT radio the one time.

    That is the good thing about Crystal. She does not really “fit” anywhere so she can “fit” everywhere.

    Maybe, maybe not. So far, HAC radio has not picked up her music at all, have they? So although she’s been promoted in that direction, it hasn’t shown signs of paying off yet as far as radio play. If HAC doesn’t bite, won’t amaze me if they try AAA / country, at least to alt country stations.

    Will be interesting what they choose for single #2 and where they market it. If they try country, they really have not laid much of any groundwork for mainstream country radio in the local markets nation-wide. And if her sound isn’t commercial enough for HAC, I’m not sure it would be commercial enough for mainstream country radio either.

    Interesting about the Opry thing. I saw Vince Gill pull someone on stage one time before to do a song with him; in that case (with Chris Young), Vince was pretty obviously tipsy and needed some help. Was kind of funny.

  • girlygirl

    Gina has been pushing Crystal pretty hard to the country market. She visited CMT and some country radio stations before CMT started playing the FD video and she’s played at least one show in Nashville already prior to this GOO surprise last night. And she’s got a show in Nashville tonight as well.

    I read that Crystal was planning to eventually move to Nashville even before she went on Idol. And that she and her husband are now planning to move there, probably next year. So I won’t be surprised if Gina and Jive decide that country is the format they should target the most. Several of the songs on her album have a country feel to them — although more alt-country than traditional.

    It doesn’t seem like Crystal is going to catch on in the Hot AC format — at least not with this first single, and the AAA format is so small in terms of radio play that it makes sense to try and get her to cross over to country now, rather than waiting.

  • Miss Blue

    How great for Crystal. I just love this gal and would love to see her succeed beyond anyone’s expectations.

  • Indigobunting

    Lol, I’m sure there was some sort of ‘set up’ there with management etc, for him to know she was in the audience, have everything set to go and the time. I doubt pulling a new artist (kind of) out of the blue is common practice. Or is it?
    But good for Crystal, great opportunity either way.

    Erik re small bump, I could see that related to her performance. Danny usually got a bump after an Opry performance- why wouldn’t she? She sang well to a new audience-(not sure if it was a full house but besides the people present, there are the radio listeners). I would be surprised if there was no bump, frankly.

    I think her management is pretty smart and if she doesn’t take off in AAA,HAC, pop, they may go more for country, they are “testing the waters” so to speak. No she hasn’t been marketed pop a lot (although JIve wanted Hold On to be first single) but of course, just like Lee plan, I think if she did well on Adult contemporary they would of course make a push to pop.

    Funny about Vince Gill- wonder if Amy Grant has to keep him “in line”?

  • steph6449

    Gina has been pushing Crystal pretty hard to the country market. She visited CMT and some country radio stations before CMT started playing the FD video and she’s played at least one show in Nashville already prior to this GOO surprise last night. And she’s got a show in Nashville tonight as well.

    I read that Crystal was planning to eventually move to Nashville even before she went on Idol. And that she and her husband are now planning to move there, probably next year. So I won’t be surprised if Gina and Jive decide that country is the format they should target the most. Several of the songs on her album have a country feel to them — although more alt-country than traditional.

    Where were the country stations that Crystal visited? I’ve looked up a number of stations out of curiosity where she’s been doing promo, and without exception they’ve seemed to be AAA, HAC or Pop. Other than CMT Radio the day she went to the CMT studios, of course.

    She did perform in Nashville before, but it wasn’t an exclusively country venue, nor is the one she’s performing at this weekend. You could take those venues as consistent with AAA, in fact I think the first performance was tied into an AAA station’s promo / livestream, wasn’t it?

    The main country promotion I’ve seen so far has been the various CMT outlets, and I saw a tv commercial on CMT around the time her album came out. But I won’t be amazed if they continue more in that direction for her, especially if it proves difficult to get anywhere with HAC. Does Jive have any presence in country / alt-country?

  • Eriko

    Lol, I’m sure there was some sort of ’set up’ there with management etc, for him to know she was in the audience, have everything set to go and the time. I doubt pulling a new artist (kind of) out of the blue is common practice. Or is it?
    But good for Crystal, great opportunity either way.

    Crystal didn´t even have her guitar and had to borrow from Vince Gill. Plus Crystal´s reactions on twitter, I doubt it was a “set up” And she was alone on the stage while she performed. Here is a picture:

    http://twitpic.com/43tljb

  • steph6449

    Funny about Vince Gill- wonder if Amy Grant has to keep him “in line”?

    Lest I be viewed as besmirching Vince’s overall reputation, lol… I don’t know if in general he’s a drinker. That particular evening he said he had come from a family event at a restaurant somewhere just prior to going on the Opry stage for his set. Vince sounded great singing, but in the talk-y bits of his set he was a bit, err, ~erratic which led me to the tipsy analysis :)

    I definitely thought at the time that Vince brought Chris Young back on stage in large part to help himself get through the last part of his set without incident. :lol:

  • tinawina

    Crystal has visited some pop stations though, along with AAA and HAC.

    There were a handful early on but nothing serious, and I don’t think she even got a pop add date. To me her promo has mostly been centered around AAA, a bit HAC and some mild circling the country market. Its all been appropriate for folk/alt-country IMO. All that’s missing is alternative radio.

    Whatever she’d doing its keeping her album selling steadily. Its a minor miracle frankly. If she could actually get a song to cacth on somewhere she might really have something I think.

  • TwigLA

    Good to hear Crystal is getting plugged and opportunities. She’s worth it. Gina really seems to be doing a good job for her.

  • windmills

    Crystal playing the Opry is a good example of what I’ve been saying for the past year or two: the Opry’s been spreading its wings to have people perform there even if they’re not strictly country (and in some non-Crystal cases, barely country or not country at all).

    Crystal’s been very honest characterizing her album. She said to CMT there were a couple of country songs, then a pop interlude, and then some rock songs, and I think that sums it up. She’s not trying to pretend her pop or rock songs are country. Some of her live arrangements are more country than the studio versions. Her marketing’s being led by the music as opposed to the carpetbagger situation of marketing coming 1st and the music not backing it up. If she were trying to act like she’s 100% country and has been all her life then no, it wouldn’t work. I don’t even think it would really work if she tried to be country-based because her voice isn’t country. Crystal’s ideal situation in the long run is being on a label like Lost Highway or Rounder but having all the opportunities she’s having now for live performances.

    tinawina: To me her promo has mostly been centered around AAA, a bit HAC and some mild circling the country market. Its all been appropriate for folk/alt-country IMO. All that’s missing is alternative radio.

    ITA.

    Jive isn’t going to be able to help Crystal with country radio. But CMT’s being supportive and she fits the CMT Wide Open aspect (which leans Americana/alt country) perfectly. I think between the TV and blog coverage, Crystal’s doing fine in terms of reaching the country market and Gina Orr deserves a lot of credit for opening up those opportunities for her.

  • steph6449

    Crystal playing the Opry is a good example of what I’ve been saying for the past year or two: the Opry’s been spreading its wings to have people perform there even if they’re not strictly country (and in some non-Crystal cases, barely country or not country at all).

    The report seems to be she was invited on stage in a spontaneous manner from the audience. So she was able to perform on the Opry stage which is great for her, but I don’t see how a spontaneous pop-in on stage is really reflective of some overall mode of operating for the Opry. Unless you assume for purposes of the analysis that it was not in fact spontaneous, but planned in advance to fit some agenda of the Opry’s.

    If they invite her back to do a scheduled set, I’d consider that “playing the Opry” without any question. Will be interesting to see if that happens as a subsequent step.

    Crystal’s been very honest characterizing her album. She said to CMT there were a couple of country songs, then a pop interlude, and then some rock songs, and I think that sums it up.

    Opinions obviously on anyone’s honesty or degree of country music acceptability / bona fides will vary. But from what I’ve seen, all of the AI performers who have attempted to do something in the country genre in recent years (S8/S9) have been honest about their backgrounds. Casey seems to make no bones about the fact that he has not been a country music performer in the past, and has been predominantly interested in blues/rock. Michael Sarver said he saw himself as an R&B guy and was not that interested in country music (in fact, he said he didn’t even like it) but chose to do it for his fans and rediscovered some things he liked about it in the process. Danny has said he listened to some country artists as a kid but came out of a background singing gospel in church, to choose country music as his new path coming out of AI. Danny also has said any number of times that he is not and has no aspiration to be a traditional type of country artist. He knows he does not have a “cookie-cutter” country sound, but wants to bring his own soulful sound to country songs and audiences. You could probably throw Bo into that list also, though I’m less familiar with him. I can’t think of one AI performer who’s been going into country putting on a phony twang and down-home persona, a la say a Josh Thompson from what I’ve heard of his prior background.

    Crystal’s message is more confused to me though I did read that quote from one of the recent blog articles, self-describing only a small part of her album content as country-ish. I’ve also read quotes where she more broadly represents herself as at least partially country-influenced, and saying she wants to be accepted by the country music community/media, she plans to move to Nashville, etc. etc. So I’m not yet quite sure what to make of their long-term intentions for her.

    Will be interesting what they do for the second single, to see if it hones in more on a particular direction vs. the multi-pronged approach they’ve done to date. Also will be curious for any second album, if she stays with Jive or possibly they have some thought to transfer her to a different label that would support the interest in promoting to country more easily.

  • dishwalla

    Her marketing’s being led by the music as opposed to the carpetbagger situation of marketing coming 1st and the music not backing it up.

    It appears that Crystal is being lead in that direction because she hasn’t had any notable success in other formats like HAC and AAA. If Crystal is indeed genuine about Country music, I am not sure why she is signed by Jive and not a Country music label.

    Where were the country stations that Crystal visited? I’ve looked up a number of stations out of curiosity where she’s been doing promo, and without exception they’ve seemed to be AAA, HAC or Pop. Other than CMT Radio the day she went to the CMT studios, of course.

    If they try country, they really have not laid much of any groundwork for mainstream country radio in the local markets nation-wide. And if her sound isn’t commercial enough for HAC, I’m not sure it would be commercial enough for mainstream country radio either.

    I agree. It’s about doing the work and building those relationships. And just because Crystal may have some songs on her album with a Country sound, that’s not going to be enough to gain credibility. And regardless of what plans she may have about moving to Nashville, the fact is that she has never lived there and has not invested in the community.

    So I could see where there could be charges of “carpet bagger”.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Jive isn’t going to be able to help Crystal with country radio.

    I have mentioned this before but Crystal’s co-manger with Gina is Dan Dymtrow. He has managed Britney Spears and Taylor Swift. I think he would have some inroads to the country market.

  • Indigobunting

    Erik-

    I don’t mean Crystal was even involved in a set up (not that it would be a bad thing, I think any opportunity is great!)- her management could have even set it up without her knowledge. And of course she didn’t have her guitar with-I don’t think it would fit in her seat, lol. What does no one else on stage have to do with it being 100% spontaneous? Many of the acoustic artists play alone, which she certainly has tended toward in her performances to date. When someone performs, they use the Opry band or just one or two of their own musicians, or perform alone.

    You just can’t convince me that Vince looked around and thought ‘Heh, let’s have this AI finalist come up and sing and mess with the schedule’. LOL.
    AI finalists get great PR, and Gina has done extremely well for Crystal- I just think it is not outside of the realm of possibility that she “helped” with this, she has come up with pretty good opportunities for her in other areas too.

  • MrDuffin

    So I could see where there could be charges of “carpet bagger”.

    I agree….how dare a performer try to expand their base. The audacity of some people to sing the same song in both pop and country markets! Shame on Taylor Swift too! (But I did see her carrying a carpet bag full of money the other day….)

  • Eriko

    Indigobunting, you may be right, anything is possible. I mentioned Crystal performing alone, because I thought you implied she had performed with Vince and thus highly unlikely it wasn´t “set up” My misunderstanding. Also, I would have thought Crystals guitar would have been back stage if it had been already planed she´d be performing.

    Vince knew Crystal was there, as Crystal tweeted before the show:

    @Crystal Bowersox
    This is amazing. I’m shaking the hand of Vince Gill.

    So, maybe that had something to do with him calling her on stage

    Crystal tweeted Vince the following after the concert:

    Crystal Bowersox
    @VGcom Thank you, although It just doesn’t express the joy, hope, and gratitude that I experienced tonight. You are an amazing human being.

    Sounds like the night was one big pleasant surprise for her. But of course, you may be right, maybe someone pulled some strings without Crystal´s knowledge

  • windmills

    steph6449: Casey seems to make no bones about the fact that he has not been a country music performer in the past, and has been predominantly interested in blues/rock.

    Incorrect. Casey has said that his pre-Idol sets would vary between traditional country (which is how he’s used to thinking about country), blues, and rock and that what you heard from him would depend on the night. His AI performances however leaned more towards blues/rock. But a guy doesn’t just know how to play Charlie Robison’s Always if he isn’t engaged with country music.

    EDIT: Interview link Here’s an example of him talking about his performance background.

    dishwalla: It appears that Crystal is being lead in that direction because she hasn’t had any notable success in other formats like HAC and AAA. If Crystal is indeed genuine about Country music, I am not sure why she is signed by Jive and not a Country music label.

    I don’t think your 1st sentence is accurate because during the writing process over the summer before the album or single came out, Crystal was saying her songs were coming out country. I do agree signing with a country label is a fight she should’ve fought. But I can believe she didn’t anticipate this until she got down to writing. But also like I’ve been saying, she’s not a great fit for a country label either because she’s not 100% country.

    steph6449: I can’t think of one AI performer who’s been going into country putting on a phony twang and down-home persona

    That’s not the only way to be inauthentic. Another way is to make music that is not country and sing it with a voice that isn’t country but to call it country even though it’s actually something else. That’s the difference between somebody like Crystal and somebody like Danny. Crystal has won over people like Chet Flippo (who wrote a column in late summer/early fall 2009 with an aside about AI guys going country just to sell records even though they’re not country) and it’s because people can hear the country in some of her music and they believe she’s making outreach to the market based on an authentically country element in what she does. She’s not allergic to the extra records she could sell because of that but this is the advantage she has based on being led by the music.

  • Indigobunting

    Erik-

    Oh, it does sound like it was arranged for her to go backstage then before and meet Opry people.

    I can see it either way really; either Vince is just very spontaneous (which he proved to be by steph6449 Chris Young story, lol) or management arranged for it ahead of time , yet wanted it to appear spontaneous.

    If she was really completely in the dark about it, what a sweet surprise for her. And maybe better, because then one wouldn’t be so nervous if they knew they had to perform and couldn’t enjoy the show.
    She will be in a great mood for the show tonight :)

    ETA: Re other AI peeps going country:

    Didn’t Josh Gracin affect a twang? I thought he was from Michigan, lol and affected a twang to go country. But maybe that is just a rumor?

    Re Casey- He is my S9 fave and I listened to a lot of his pre Idol stuff (was on a couple of pretty active boards
    of his ). I disagree it had significant elements of country. No one was calling him country then. He was very blues/rock and that is what people loved him for. And the songs HE really wanted to sing on Idol were more bluesy, although he did a nice job on the Shanai Twain country pop song for sure. But blues takes from country just as gospel does (and gives back to country ;) ) so it is no wonder country winds up encompassing different styles.

  • Andy11

    Crystal is still surging on Amazon. The crowd loved the performance because it was totally country. A girl with a guitar singing a love song she wrote for her husband. And she clearly was overcome with emotion too. BTW her song Arlene is fully country including a bit of a twang.

  • steph6449

    Incorrect. Casey has said that his pre-Idol sets would vary between traditional country (which is how he’s used to thinking about country), blues, and rock and that what you heard from him would depend on the night. His AI performances however leaned more towards blues/rock.

    Won’t pretend to be interested enough in Casey that I have read every possible word about him / quote from him :)

    I have scanned a good sampling of his articles / interviews however, without ever coming across that one. Closest I can recall is his saying in some writeup that as a teenager he used to hang out with friends in private (not public performance settings) listening to and playing along with Waylon Jennings & other mostly old-school country artists. Never came across him saying he performed that type of music professionally, or even as a vocation.

    Also I’ve been told by fans of Casey, and people who live near him and know him from his hometown, that his performance interests & history pre-AI, and pre-AI recordings, were basically blues-rock.

    If he has some great background in traditional country that purists should love, I’m surprised he is only intermittently mentioning that since it would help him get past the gatekeeper types ;) I don’t see him talking much about going after that niche though. He seems to say sure it’s blues, rock, some country influence. I have yet to read him saying he is a mainstream country act, or wants to be vs. playing up the blues/rock with some country influences or touches.

    Remains to be seen though, since at this stage not one of his new songs has come to light to judge by.

  • 1952

    windmills

    All the songs except 3 existed long before idol.

  • windmills

    1952: All the songs except 3 existed long before idol.

    Yeah but 2 of those are Arlene and Ridin With The Radio and they’re the most country of the songs on the album. If they were representative of her writing process then I can see why she was saying what she was saying.

  • steph6449

    That’s not the only way to be inauthentic. Another way is to make music that is not country and sing it with a voice that isn’t country but to call it country even though it’s actually something else. That’s the difference between somebody like Crystal and somebody like Danny. Crystal has won over people like Chet Flippo (who wrote a column in late summer/early fall 2009 with an aside about AI guys going country just to sell records even though they’re not country) and it’s because people can hear the country in some of her music and they believe she’s making outreach to the market based on an authentically country element in what she does.

    I’m sure some music-lovers and writers believe that about Crystal. Some don’t. Some music-lovers and writers are scandalized that Danny dare set foot in the sacred realm of country music (the horror, the horror! :) ). Some aren’t. He has supporters as well as critics, and not everyone believes only certain kinds of sounds should be allowed in country music.

    To each his own. No one remotely interesting will appeal to everyone.

    Crystal, Danny, and the others have every right IMO to try and pursue their music in whatever direction they wish, working with those who support them. Or to pursue multiple directions which seems to be Crystal’s bent at the moment. It is ironic, though, that Danny is beyond the pale for having signed to a country label, worked with country producers and songwriters, lived in Nashville for going on 18 months, toured for over a year performing in country venues of all types, released two singles that charted on country radio, released an album that charted on the country sales charts, and now working on country album #2 with no attempt yet to cross over into other genres. And yet, he’s to be considered illegitimate in every respect as an aspiring country artist. Good thing he’s not listening ;)

  • dishwalla

    I agree….how dare a performer try to expand their base. The audacity of some people to sing the same song in both pop and country markets! Shame on Taylor Swift too! (But I did see her carrying a carpet bag full of money the other day….)

    I agree – however, this should apply to all artists – and not just because someone is fan of Crystal’s. My original point about the “carpet bagging” – was that term has been used on certain people specifically targeted from non-fans. The irony is that those Idols have probably invested way more in Country music, including being part of the community than Crystal ever has.

  • Eriko

    I agree – however, this should apply to all artists – and not just because someone is fan of Crystal’s

    Windmills is a Crystal fan? If she is (which would be nice) she has been “in the closet” about it or a very moderate one IMO. Hope I´m wrong tho :)

  • Indigobunting

    There are all different degrees of fandom, lol! For example: my degrees for recent Idols:

    From, “yeah, I like some of their songs” -Crystal for me

    “yeah, I like their style”- Casey for me

    to full blown fantardism

    “I love almost everything that comes musically out of their mouth”-

    Danny for me

  • tinawina

    Is this conversation about Crystal or is it another Danny-is-or-isn’t country argument? LOL

    I don’t think it is complicated with Crystal at all. She’s clearly Americana/Roots music. She’s called herself that in the past. That’s folk music with elements of country, blugrass, blues, early rock, early American rural music in general. There are a good number of artists under that banner. But its a tiny niche, and because of that it confuses people who never heard of it and we argue this over and over IMO.

    She has said nothing to contradict what she is since she started. She probably crosses into alt-country territory, and she is being marketed like the kind of act that leans more country than rock on that spectrum. Once they decided to ditch Hold On as the lead single they have been pretty clearly been pursuing this path IMO.

    Crystal’s stuff has old-school country elements so I get why she would fit in some of the less mainstream country outlets. Country and Folk isn’t really all that far apart anyway. I don’t think there is a big mystery to it.

  • aidancash

    Crystal to make inroads in country radio would have to be on a country label. JIve promoting her to country radio wont work. Now as far as videos yes she can get some exposure there. If crystal was on a country label she would be doing really really well. The more I hear farmers daughter I like it and it could be a hit on country radio. Its to bad she got biced butt then my fave Casey would not of gotten his deal if crystal was on a country label.

    As far as Casey if you listen to his idol performances he put his own style on them and a lot of them had a country flair to them. Country is the right place for him.

  • Indigobunting

    Is this conversation about Crystal or is it another Danny-is-or-isn’t country argument? LOL

    Gee, you noticed? ;)

    I agree with your Crystal analysis, although to me she is more folk, folk-rock than in the alt-country territory. She really reminds me of Janis Joplin/Tracy Chapman stuff. But that is not as popular as alt-country, just as Blues is not as popular as blues-rock-country.

    But if the music is good, who cares? I like what I like.

    Someone above said the Opry audience liked her “because she sounded country”. I disagree. Although the Opry audience is always very welcoming and enthusiastic I think they liked her because of the apparent spontaneous nature of her performance and because she is a good singer, no matter the genre. Mine all Mine (which is one of my favorites) doesn’t sound country at all to me. I agree with WMills that the Riding Radio and Arlene are the only really country sounding songs. But some people like a variety, you know?

  • 1952

    How did Crystal get Biced?

  • Eriko

    I´d like Casey to join Crystals band as her guitar player and second vocalist :)

  • webster

    A lot of post-Idol work shows in roads intonareas that were not the singers main area on Idol or pre-idol. Most commonly, they make albums that are far more pop oriented than they ever seemed, and then go around visiting pop related stations, etc. And while fans will bemoan those choices as being anything from misguided to just plain bad, it’s otherwise kind of ignored. But a similar step into country land seems to draw a different kind of complaint, like the whole carpet bagging thing, and the complaints aren’t just (or even mostly) from fans who are wishing they’d stay true. Does anyone else see that difference, or am I imagining things? It seems to be mostly in idol world: the outside fans of the genres in question seem to either take it or leave it on merit, or in some cases, reject idols on principle. But obviously, they aren’t as hung up on what people did on a show they don’t watch anyway.

  • aidancash

    Sorry biced wasnt what I was really thinking. Even though crystal made a cd she wanted she is on the wrong kind of label. Bo in the end didnt make a record of who he was and was also not on the right label. I meant more that they were on the wrong kind of label

  • 1952

    Sorry biced wasnt what I was really thinking. Even though crystal made a cd she wanted she is on the wrong kind of label. Bo in the end didnt make a record of who he was and was also not on the right label. I meant more that they were on the wrong kind of label

    Jive may fool us all .. but from what I’ve read here, it’s unlikely.

  • Elliegrll

    I don’t think it is complicated with Crystal at all. She’s clearly Americana/Roots music. She’s called herself that in the past. That’s folk music with elements of country, blugrass, blues, early rock, early American rural music in general. There are a good number of artists under that banner. But its a tiny niche, and because of that it confuses people who never heard of it and we argue this over and over IMO.

    I agree. I don’t think that Crystal can be labeled as a carpetbagger, because the country elements that are in some of her songs were clearly intentional, and are part of who she is as an artist. I think people have noticed that this album represents who she is as an artist, and that’s why it has continued to sell, even though she’s not getting a lot of airplay.

    I think that while she doesn’t fit at Jive, somebody at Sony will notice how well she’s done, and see that her results are based on live performances and other forms of relatively inexpensive promotion, and switch her contract to another label.

  • windmills

    Eriko: Windmills is a Crystal fan? If she is (which would be nice) she has been “in the closet” about it or a very moderate one IMO. Hope I´m wrong tho :)

    I’m probably what you’d call a moderate fan. HATE the production on her album and think it would’ve sounded better if it were more country and more raw. Love her voice. Have mixed feelings about the songs (she’s got promise as a songwriter but could be better) and about how she handles herself in public sometimes. But I ended up buying most of the songs off her album other than Hold On because I refuse to support Chad Kroeger with my $$ and I want to support the idea of Crystal writing her songs.

    MrDuffin: Shame on Taylor Swift too!

    That’s probably not the greatest example because the conventional wisdom on her these days is that her musical allegiance is with pop and that her current album is all pop except for 1 song that’s country. She’s identified with country because she started there and because it’s convenient for country radio to be associated with 1 of the biggest music stars on the planet.

    webster: I’m not really sure I understand what you’re trying to say but the debates about the state of country music and its identity rage far outside the AI grads and have for a really long time. It’s probably true though that people coming off AI face more scrutiny for their authenticity by country’s gatekeepers than your typical new act.

  • Andy11

    I don’t know how to block a quote but since I think Indigobunting misquoted me (or at least mistook my meaning) I want to clarify. I didn’t say the crowd loved Crystal”because she sounded country,” but rather meant to indicate that her performance resonated with a country audience because it was a girl singing a love song she wrote for her husband and because she had so much emotion being where she was. Anyway, I do think that she has been consistent about being a “roots” musician, which has country elements. Also she grew up on a farm so probably can milk cows, etc., which I’m sure would help.

  • JosieX

    Crystal, Danny, and the others have every right IMO to try and pursue their music in whatever direction they wish, working with those who support them. Or to pursue multiple directions which seems to be Crystal’s bent at the moment. It is ironic, though, that Danny is beyond the pale for having signed to a country label, worked with country producers and songwriters, lived in Nashville for going on 18 months, toured for over a year performing in country venues of all types, released two singles that charted on country radio, released an album that charted on the country sales charts, and now working on country album #2 with no attempt yet to cross over into other genres. And yet, he’s to be considered illegitimate in every respect as an aspiring country artist. Good thing he’s not listening

    Yes, I see that as very ironic too.

    At this time last year, Danny had been on the road for several months, visiting country radio stations and singing his heart out day after day after day, in tiny little station studios. Sometimes the station did some promo and Danny would have a crowd to sing to, which was nice. As his fans, we got to know him on that country radio tour. We listened to him talking to dj’s who wanted to know how it happened that he made the choice to go into country music. It fits him for a number of reasons, which we’ve talked about here many times before, having to do with who he is as a person, and who he is and wants to be as an artist. I loved hearing their reactions to Danny, it was fun to see them stunned by the beauty of his voice and see them warm to him as it became clear how down to earth and sincere he is.

    There is quite a bit of diversity in the sound of country music that’s played on country radio. Some I love, some I can’t stand. I don’t differentiate based on “traditional” or “not traditional”, I love songs of both types and can’t stand songs of both types. Randy Travis told Danny that country music needed him, because of the soulful sound that Danny could bring to it. I’m glad that a country label wanted Danny and I’m glad that Danny listened and had a vision for what he could do in country music, because I love the music he’s doing and I’m very excited to hear more, I can’t wait to hear his next album. Danny has said that he has been learning more about what country radio wants to hear from him. I think there are a lot of them who love his voice and who like him very much, I watched him make that happen. I know he is doing his very best to choose songs that are going to resonate with country radio listeners, and I feel a lot of confidence in him. Of course I am a huge fan and I love Danny but I admire him a lot too. I think he made the right decision to go into country music and he has demonstrated huge commitment to it and has worked very hard to make a place for himself there. He’s done well so far and I think he will continue to build on that.

  • tripp_ncwy

    American Top 40 (Hot AC) February 26-27, 2011

    20 20 (35) Daughtry-September
    Optional Extra: Kelly Clarkson-Since U Been Gone
    34 34 (53) Adam Lambert-Whatya Want From Me

  • asics85

    Also she grew up on a farm so probably can milk cows, etc., which I’m sure would help.

    I am having a hard time understanding what defines someone as being “country” in order to be welcomed by country music. From what I have seen the criteria can range from having a “twang”, being from the “right” state, or what you listened to or sang in your youth. Now I can add to that growing up on a farm :)

    To put my lack of knowledge in perspective, I will add that I am new to following the country music genre (only started listening to it because I am a fan of Danny) and I have been pleasantly surprised how much I enjoy it as I never thought I would like that type of music. BTW, I hope the criteria doesn’t apply to new country fans as well, because I have a feeling I am not the “right” type to fit that mold…lol!

  • windmills

    asics85: I am having a hard time understanding what defines someone as being “country” in order to be welcomed by country music. From what I have seen the criteria can range from having a “twang”, being from the “right” state, or what you listened to or sang in your youth. Now I can add to that growing up on a farm :)

    The “where you’re from” aspect is one that sets a correlation to a rural perspective often associated with country music but it’s not really a defining thing. The thing that makes country music country as opposed to pop or rock or R&B or gospel or whatever is the style of singing (which is more than a twang and is descended from the yodel) which influences the melody and also the instrumentation that’s used and how it sounds.

    steph6449: I don’t think it’s very ironic considering a lot of the stuff you listed is just the marketing/business side of things which doesn’t have a whole lot to do with the art of it these days. The disconnect comes when the singing style and the music don’t back up the marketing.

  • Andy11

    Asics, I should have put an lol after my farm statement. I am as mystified as anyone about what constitutes country. Getting back to numbers, I have been impressed by how a catalyst such as the Opry appearance can drive sales at least momentarily. In this specific case I also believe it will make an appearance on Idol for Crystal even more likely this season. Wouldn’t be surprised if she sings the same song too.
    Probably the best track to succeed on country–there is already a you tube of people line dancing to Mine All Mine.

  • PerfectStorm

    I actually find the whole carpet bagger connotation very elitis and exclusionary. I’m sure the homeless family that Danny’s foundation in Nashville took in would agree with that. And I did not see any mention of carpet bagger when Sophia’s Heart jumped in and helped with the Nashville flood release last year. There was obviously no problem taking money that Danny had raised.

    If someone can make it through the grueling Idol process and get themselves a record deal, I say more power to them. I also think of the many Idols who’s debut CD represented how they were on the show, yet they failed anyway.

    And Sony Nashville obviously seems to be happy with Danny. They have recently lost artists that were more traditional Country than Danny. Instead they are investing in him in writing his sophmore album.

    I have always liked Crystal. She is different. But it’s also obvious that she is trying to find her way.

    And this is what Casey James said in a recent interview. I don’t recall him singing with a twang.

    Casey performed in many genres on Season 9, and Idol Community member Evilizabeth wondered if his album will be considered country, rock, or blues. Casey said, “Yes, it will be all of that. I think I did a really good job of representing myself—my musical spirit—and voice on the show. If you think I’m bluesy, you’re right. If you think I’m country, you’re right. If you think I’m rock, you’re right. I guess my sound is kind of a Southern rock/blues/country mix.

  • JosieX

    I don’t think it’s very ironic considering a lot of the stuff you listed is just the marketing/business side of things which doesn’t have a whole lot to do with the art of it these days. The disconnect comes when the singing style and the music don’t back up the marketing.

    No, what Steph listed, and what I followed up on in my post, was a lot of hard work and commitment on Danny’s part to make his place in country music, and the results he achieved from that in country music. The ironic part is that the magnitude of all that is dismissed while elsewhere what seems so relatively little is warmly embraced. It’s quite interesting and remarkable.

    There is already quite a lot of diversity of sound in country music – Danny is adding his own flavor to the mix. Country music has always evolved, it is no different now. The people who backed Danny in launching his career in country music would have been outraged if he went out there pretending to be something he is not. He has never done that. What is obvious to me is that they want him to use what is unique about his talent for the benefit of country music. They could just keep churning out the same old thing over and over if they thought that was what was what most people wanted to hear. Clearly they don’t believe that and I am very happy about that.

  • 1952

    I have always liked Crystal. She is different. But it’s also obvious that she is trying to find her way.

    A lot of people don’t think she’s lost her way.

  • certain1

    To quote a past president (with a little poetic license)

    “Country gatekeepers – Tear Down That Wall”

    The market will now and forever determine the success of an artist in any genre. As long as people are willing to part with money that they earn to see an artist that they like, what they are or are not to the distractors will make nary a difference.

    Taylor Swift and her country label laughs every time that country cash register chings.. :)

  • asics85

    The thing that makes country music country as opposed to pop or rock or R&B or gospel or whatever is the style of singing (which is more than a twang and is descended from the yodel) which influences the melody and also the instrumentation that’s used and how it sounds.

    Thank you for that definition. I looked it up in the dictionary and according to Webster’s a “yodel” is:

    v. To sing in a way that the voice changes from normal to a high shrill sound and then back again. n. A very unsophisticated country person; a bumpkin.

    Hmm…definitely not Danny :)

  • JosieX

    asics85, LOL!

  • Q3

    dishwalla:
    02/26/2011 at 12:02 pm

    I’m really surprise that Crystal even played at the Grand Ole Opry. I don’t ever recall her even remotely representing any Country music when she was on Idol. She doesn’t live in Nashville. And last I heard, she was still signed to Jive and marketed in the Top 40 Pop genre. There’s a lot of irony, since past Idols who have gone the Country route, but did not sing with a twang, were bullied to death for being “carpet baggers”.

    I don’t understand why there is any surprise that Crystal played the Opry. How far removed is she from Willie Nelson or Emmylou Harris who not only played the Opry many times but are also members?

    And Jive has artists in lots of genres — the #1 genre of active roster is Urban/R&B, then rock/alt rock/metal (partially consolidated with RCA), then Pop.

    I think it is because of a few pop artists like Britney that Jive is associated with Pop music.

    In any case, I am glad to see Crystal continue to sell albums — but she is still a way off my prediction of about 250K but I still think she will get there — just will take a while.

  • Indigobunting

    Well, I guess neither Crystal, Danny or Casey are country by that yodel description :shock:

    Asics, I should have put an lol after my farm statement. I am as mystified as anyone about what constitutes country

    That is because there is no standard definition; it is pretty subjective as you see by the willingness to argue over it. Casey James recently said in his interview “Country music is everyone’s music” (paraphrasing). Not sure I would be quite that broad, but one big difference is lyrics- Country music has to have good lyrics that tell a story; it is not instrument driven like urban, rock or pop music. Just having a good beat can get you everywhere in the afore-mentioned; not in country. Good vocals are supposed to be a must; however I have taken issue with some of the stuff on country radio. They can be as bad as pop-pushing the songs of big names or even someone who has made #1 before with a second mediocre song.
    It can be quite “political”.

    Having a twang can help (thus Crystal using a twang for Arlene as a fan mentioned; and other singers like Josh Gracin and Josh Thompson affecting one) but it is not a fast prerequisite. Jennifer Nettles has gotten away with a lot just having such a strong twang on her latest album. But anything that sells really well (i.e. Taylor Swift) will be accepted and played also.

    Subject matter can help too- beer drinking, being very “country”, loving your country, getting back at your cheatin man, and gettin it on (universal to all music genres, lol) predominate. But are not prerequisites either- there have been some nice songs that aren’t as formulaic.

    Andy11-of course they will have Crystal back on Idol this season; why wouldn’t they? She is the runner up; Casey has said he’d be back and Lee confirmed it. I don’t think Crystal good or bad sales will have anything to do with it.

  • Lucy1234

    Is this conversation about Crystal or is it another Danny-is-or-isn’t country argument? LOL

    For some reason that same ole tired argument will not go away. I listen to country radio and find it very refreshing when I hear a song with a different sound. Most of Lady A’s songs sound different from the norm. Danny’s songs are never going to sound like every other song on country radio and for me, that is a good thing. It doesn’t mean he is a carpet bagger or doesn’t belong in country music. He is working extremely hard in making a place for himself in country music, has said over and over again that is where he wants to be and I wish him all the best and if Crystal wants to make a place for herself in country music, I say go for it. Artists like Carrie, Taylor Swift, Lady A, and yes Danny to a lesser extent bring in new fans to country music and in my opinion that is very good for the genre.

  • asics85

    Artists like Taylor Swift, Lady A and Keith Urban and yes Danny bring in new fans to country music and in my opinion that is very good for the genre.

    Lucy1234, I am living proof that your statement is true!

    No, what Steph listed, and what I followed up on in my post, was a lot of hard work and commitment on Danny’s part to make his place in country music, and the results he achieved from that in country music. The ironic part is that the magnitude of all that is dismissed while elsewhere what seems so relatively little is warmly embraced. It’s quite interesting and remarkable.

    Josiex, I totally agree with this.

  • steph6449

    The thing that makes country music country as opposed to pop or rock or R&B or gospel or whatever is the style of singing (which is more than a twang and is descended from the yodel) which influences the melody and also the instrumentation that’s used and how it sounds.

    steph6449: I don’t think it’s very ironic considering a lot of the stuff you listed is just the marketing/business side of things which doesn’t have a whole lot to do with the art of it these days. The disconnect comes when the singing style and the music don’t back up the marketing.

    I don’t consider everything I pointed out to be just “marketing.” If you put someone in front of country music audiences day after day after day (Danny said recently he was on the road 300+ days in 2010!), and the country music audiences hear your live stuff and love it, I suppose you can declare that’s just marketing. But it’s also conceivable to say, it fits in its own way into the spectrum of country music. Not in the center of the spectrum, but in there.

    Opinions will vary. Some like a narrow view of country music, some don’t. Personally I like both country acts who are very traditionally country, as well as some I would guess you find to be “not-country” or “country in marketing name only.” (Well, not Taylor Swift for one though; lol, I like singers who can actually sing :lol: )

    In Danny’s case, the instrumentation on his CD and his live set does have a country sound. He has a steel player, banjo, etc. for various of the songs. His vocals don’t fit the stereotypical sound quality, but he brings his own thing to it. Personally, I like it, and I’m glad that people in the industry don’t feel everyone all has to sound the same. Danny can sing like nobody’s business, he’s very musical, and he puts a lot of emotion into his songs that works well with the kinds of lyrics/stories in country songs.

    He knows the type of soulful vocal sound he has, he realizes he does not sound like your “standard” country singer, and he has every intent from what I can see to pursue country music nonetheless. He’s also found people who want to work with him toward that goal, some of them rather prominent people like Mark Bright.

    He’s had some success with it in the early going, not sure why he would wish to do anything else. He views it as expanding what country can be, and bringing in new fans. Or maybe bringing back a style that has been more prominent in country in the past. (He cites Wynonna as an early influence. Danny’s sound, especially live, is quite a lot like her IMO; and I guess she agrees since he was the performer at her tribute dinner that time.)

  • tripp_ncwy

    Mediabase (rolling)

    US

    AC
    2 2 DAUGHTRY September 1734 1633 101 10.161

    HAC

    46 47 KIMBERLY CALDWELL Desperate Girls & St… 174 174 0 0.179

    JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON DYWTS – Impact Date March 07, 2011
    Glee Cast Loser Like Me – Impact Date March 07, 2011

    Adult Hits
    22 20 DAUGHTRY September 53 55 -2 0.153
    28 29 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 41 41 0 0.265
    30 34 DAUGHTRY No Surprise 34 37 -3 0.172

    Country
    3 2 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 5411 4898 513 39.379

    Top 40
    38 36 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 1161 980 181 6.382

    Glee Cast Loser Like Me – Impact Date February 28, 2011

    AAA
    47 45 CRYSTAL BOWERSOX Farmer’s Daughter 61 54 7 0.122

    Urban
    23 22 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 1112 967 145 6.015

    Urban AC
    5 6 FANTASIA I’m Doin’ Me 1620 1652 -32 10.885
    18 13 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 747 564 183 4.778
    29 27 CHARLIE WILSON f/FANTASIA I Wanna Be Your Man … 226 193 33 1.207

    Rhythmic
    47 44 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 647 555 92 3.177

    Canadian

    Top 40
    27 28 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 408 396 12 2.486

    HAC
    36 31 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 242 196 46 1.784

    Main-AC
    7 9 DAUGHTRY September 285 290 -5 1.549

    Country
    2 2 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 771 729 42 2.085

  • windmills

    asics85: Thank you for that definition. I looked it up in the dictionary and according to Webster’s a “yodel” is:

    v. To sing in a way that the voice changes from normal to a high shrill sound and then back again. n. A very unsophisticated country person; a bumpkin.

    Hmm…definitely not Danny :)

    That pretty much illustrates the difference between valuing/building off the roots of the country sound and making a mockery of where the country sound comes from :/

    Josh Thompson has taken some heat from Danny fans here so I’m just going to say that though his debut album was kinda underwhelming, there is A LOT of belief on Music Row about his authenticity and viability as a country act. He doesn’t really have a believability problem as a country act.

    Moving on to this morning’s country chart the Evil Big Machine bought its Mediabase #1 and actually as the highest AI on that country chart. But Jason/Kelly are still #1 on the Billboard BDS Real Time Tracker. As long as the Big Evil Machine follows the same pattern with Back To December and Mine, DYWS is safe to be #1 on Billboard country. Brad’s song is still around 270 points behind DYWS though I think it’ll close the gap a little tomorrow.

    tripp_ncwy: Thanks for posting the charts every morning :)

  • larc

    asics85:
    Thank you for that definition. I looked it up in the dictionary and according to Webster’s a “yodel” is:

    v. To sing in a way that the voice changes from normal to a high shrill sound and then back again. n. A very unsophisticated country person; a bumpkin.

    I thought the unsophisticated country person was a “yokel,” not a “yodel.”

  • lucysfave

    making a mockery of where the country sound

    Those seem to be very harsh words to me, and they certainly don’t describe anything my favorite idol has tried to do.

    I am perplexed on why this “who is acceptable” and “who isn’t” keeps going round and round at this site.

    Don’t we all want the Idol franchise to prosper? I support my favorites and I have a mild interest in the others. I see no value in making a judgement that someone doesn’t belong in a genre. The music industry is hard enough; the market will sort these things out.

  • Indigobunting

    Josh Thompson has taken some heat from Danny fans

    I believe that is only because some artists are criticized for being “carpet baggers” who don’t try to be someone they are not, yet some others who clearly change their basic identity to fit in are not.

    I don’t like Josh’s “Beer songs” and he is one I consider picking subject matter to prove how “country” he is as well as affecting a twang. He does have a nice voice. I am from his area; Grafton-Cedarburg is a yuppie very upper income community north of Milwaukee and people don’t twang there, lol. There are a few farms still around there, his wiki says nothing about growing up on one however (not that this is a prereq for country music- what is?).

    I have nothing against Josh, and think he is free to make his way in Country music, just like any other artist. I only bring him up in the context of how I view a disconnect in some artists being accused of being not authentic and others do not. Yes, I realize some view a certain type of singing as more authentic but my proposal is that it is not more authentic if you change who you are so drastically. That’s all.

  • lucysfave

    it is not more authentic if you change who you are so drastically

    Excellent point! I have the problem with the word “authentic”.

    So, is it more desirable to change your “sound” in order to fit in? Twang doesn’t occur in native Wisconsinites naturally, LOL.

  • asics85

    That pretty much illustrates the difference between valuing/building off the roots of the country sound and making a mockery of where the country sound comes from :/

    Hey take it up with Daniel Webster….I just copied it verbatim.
    No harm meant…just a little humor on a slow Saturday afternoon :)

    I thought the unsophisticated country person was a “yokel,” not a “yodel.”

    For you larc:

    “yokel” n. A naive or gullible inhabitant of a rural area or small town.

    By these definitions it is apparently less desirable to be a “yodel” than a “yokel”…lol!

  • windmills

    What you people are missing is the fact that country has a distinctive stylized type of singing. Whether that stylization is natural doesn’t depend on how you talk so you’re getting sidetracked focusing on the twang aspect of singing/talking. Josh’s singing style is authentic. But his choice of material is a problem.

    It’s like, do R&B/soul singers talk with a lot of melisma? No. It’s a stylization that’s become associated with the genre. That’s just an example.

    Indigobunting: I believe that is only because some artists are criticized for being “carpet baggers” who don’t try to be someone they are not,

    The carpetbaggery is in saying his music is country when it’s not. Danny’s music IS true to who he is and it is also not country. If Danny were admitting that he’s singing inspirational blue eyed soul but hopes to find an audience in the country market, that would be an honest and accurate representation of his music. His music is not country/soul – you can look to Josh Turner/James Otto/Chris Young for modern representations of what that sound is.

    lucysfave: Don’t we all want the Idol franchise to prosper? I support my favorites and I have a mild interest in the others. I see no value in making a judgement that someone doesn’t belong in a genre.

    I see negative value in somebody calling his music something it’s not because of how it diminishes the meaning of what he’s calling it. Country music is a meaningful term with a rich history and something that sets it apart from other genres of music. I don’t like seeing people coopt it with music that already has another name (in Danny’s case, that’s blue eyed soul).

    Believe me, if Casey starts trying to pass off blues/rock as country then I will be complaining about him too. Or if Crystal were trying to act like her whole album is country then she’d be getting the major side eye from me. I’m for the Idol franchise doing well but I don’t want it to be at the expense of diluting the meaning of a type of music that means a lot to me.

  • lucysfave

    Windmill, just curious, based on your sortings of artists on country labels, how would you characterize Wynonna Judd?

  • PerfectStorm

    Believe me, if Casey starts trying to pass off blues/rock as country then I will be complaining about him too.

    That’s certainly interesting, considering all the hype he has gotten here for how well he’s going to do, when the reality is, no one has even heard any of his music. And the music he did on Idol was certainly far far removed from Country music.

    And for the record, I’ve never recalled Danny claiming to be a traditional Country artist. But the negatvity against him was already in place before he even had released his CD.

    The bottom line, RCA Nashville obviously is happy enough with Danny to green light a second album. And Danny has survived some major changes at Sony Nashville, including the departure of CEO Joe Galante, who had signed him.

    The term “carpter bagger” actually refers to a very shameful time in this country’s past; associated with bigotry, exclusion and humanity at it’s worst.

  • girlygirl

    Sunday iTunes

    #51 What Are Words – Chris Medina

    albums

    #93 Farmer’s Daughter
    #446 Live It Up

  • asics85

    I’m on a roll with my dictionary so here goes…. :)

    His music is not country/soul – you can look to Josh Turner/James Otto/Chris Young for modern representations of what that sound is.

    soul music noun
    Definition of SOUL MUSIC
    : music that originated in black American gospel singing, is closely related to rhythm and blues, and is characterized by intensity of feeling and earthiness

    Country defined:
    country music noun
    Definition of COUNTRY MUSIC
    : music derived from or imitating the folk style of the Southern United States or of the Western cowboy

    Definition #2:

    country music

    a form of popular music which derives from the rural folk music of the southeastern and southwestern U.S., characterized by string-band instrumentation

    These country music definitions don’t make it sound so complicated after all….or as exclusionary (well only if your name is “Danny”…lol) as some would indicate.

    From the songs I have listened to by the artists you named I am not hearing the “soul” in their music, at least by this definition.

    I disagree that Danny’s music is not country/soul. Randy Travis characterized it that way…I trust his judgement and expertise on this subject.

    ETA:
    “The term “carpter bagger” actually refers to a very shameful time in this country’s past; associated with bigotry, exclusion and humanity at it’s worst.”

    No wonder I get such a bad vibe when Danny (or anyone else) is labeled with that word.

  • Andy11

    I’m finding this discussion interesting, even though it may be straying from the numbers (Farmer’s Daughter #100 on iTunes). Windmills, in listening to country music it isn’t just the twang, but it seems like the vocal is more out in front of the instrumentals than in other styles making the vocal more prominent. I don’t know if I’m explaining myself clearly, but is the lead vocal mixed differently in country?

  • certain1

    I see negative value in somebody calling his music something it’s not because of how it diminishes the meaning of what he’s calling it. Country music is a meaningful term with a rich history and something that sets it apart from other genres of music. I don’t like seeing people coopt it with music that already has another name (in Danny’s case, that’s blue eyed soul).

    Then this is something that is a personal problem not a genre specific problem. For most people on the outside looking in an artist that signs with a Country label, has an album written by Country writers and produced by a Country producer is a Country artist, whether some agree or not. Everytime the statement comes up that it is not following the history behind the music it attempts to dismiss the opinion of those that don’t give a Damn!! Genres change all the time and you either move with it or you get left behind.

  • PerfectStorm

    windmills: I see negative value in somebody calling his music something it’s not because of how it diminishes the meaning of what he’s calling it. Country music is a meaningful term with a rich history and something that sets it apart from other genres of music. I don’t like seeing people coopt it with music that already has another name (in Danny’s case, that’s blue eyed soul).

    The songs on Danny’s CD were written by some of the most respected song writers working in Country music today, including Jeffrey Steele, Marv Green, Kent Blazy, Wendell Mobley, Lari White, David Lee Murphy, and Charles Kelley and Dave Hayward of Lady Antebellum. Producer Mark Bright is considered rock royalty in Country music. Sony Nashville is a major label.

    Obviously none of these people had any problems with the type of music Danny is singing. Or Keith Urban, Tim McGraw, Lady Antebellum, Sugarland who all have worked with Danny and who all have spoken very highly of him.

    I also trust their judgement and expertise on this subject.

  • Indigobunting

    What “us people” (who are they anyway, lol- I can only speak for myself) are not missing is that I don’t consider affecting an accent that indicates you are from a certain part of the country (the south) as a “singing stylization” and not equal to singing with “melisma”. An accent is not the same as singing with soul or angst- that is a feeling, not a regional speech stylization.

    It may help with country music acceptance because it infers you are from the south (dishonest, IMO) but it is not in the definition of Country music and there are country songs that don’t feature a twang.

    And it is most certainly in the eye of the beholder; after Danny’s AI performance of My Best DAys Jamba Jim tweeted that Danny “said he wouldn’t affect a twang-he lied”. Well Danny most certainly did not affect a twang, but something about his song obviously struck Jim C as country.

    I think some who have said Danny’s music isn’t country hasn’t listened carefully or with an objective ear. There are plenty of people who are fans who don’t like his post AI stuff because it’s “too country”. Some songs aren’t , I’ll give you that- Be Somebody is not. But most are as country as a lot of Lady A and some others (Wynona, etc) material. Life on Ya and The Coach are quite country and are usually the least favorite of those Danny fans who haven’t softened toward country.

    Asics, those dictionary definitions are interesting.

  • girlygirl

    I have to admit I don’t quite understand why — if someone is from the South — that automatically would make them more authentic as a country singer. Not everyone in the South grows up listening to or performing country music. And not everyone in the South is from rural or more “countrified” areas. Just because someone speaks with a Southern accent doesn’t mean they are any more authentic singing country music than, say, someone who grew up in California or Massachusetts but who listened to country music his/her entire life and has always performed that style of music. To me, if country music is your passion, then that’s the type of music you should be performing. If you aren’t necessarily a “pure” country artist, but have elements of country music in what you write/perform, then I don’t see any harm in at least trying to get some traction in that market. The only people I truly get upset about is when they try and break into a specific market simply as a “cash grab” or as a last desperate attempt to try and find success in any format. Because then it’s about $$$, not the music.

  • steph6449

    What you people are missing is the fact that country has a distinctive stylized type of singing.

    “Us people” can have opinions, also :) And I don’t think anyone is disputing there is a “traditional” country sound, and Danny does not have it, does not pretend to have it, and has no aspiration to have it.

    Whether that stylization is natural doesn’t depend on how you talk so you’re getting sidetracked focusing on the twang aspect of singing/talking. Josh’s singing style is authentic. But his choice of material is a problem

    So it’s more “authentic” in your view to put on a fake twang to mirror traditional country sounds, or singing about backwoods stuff that seems to have nothing to do with your personal identity, than to sing in a way natural to yourself. Hmm. “Me people” for one, can’t really go along with that.

    The carpetbaggery is in saying his music is country when it’s not. Danny’s music IS true to who he is and it is also not country.

    That’s your opinion. Quite a few other people in the country music community/industry/audience also have opinions, and not all of them are choosing to leave Danny out of the country music secret handshake-club. To the degree Crystal and Casey or others also want to seek some acceptance in country music, hopefully they will also find some open-minded supporters.

    His music is not country/soul – you can look to Josh Turner/James Otto/Chris Young for modern representations of what that sound is.

    James Otto, ok. For the other two, having bought some of their music and seen them both performing live, in Chris’s case a few times, I don’t see it personally to any great degree. Not at all really, especially in comparison to people like Danny or Wynonna as far as distinctively “soulful” sounds.

    Country music is a meaningful term with a rich history and something that sets it apart from other genres of music. I don’t like seeing people coopt it with music that already has another name (in Danny’s case, that’s blue eyed soul).

    Personally, I’m happy there is a place today for country artists who wish to continue in a traditional vein. As well as those who have diverse sounds and material. I don’t find Carrie for example to particularly “sound country,” and I’ve read a lot more writeups referring to her as country/pop than a country traditionalist. Maybe you can point me to her vocals in recent radio hits that harken back to those must-have classical yodel-based sounds. Un-un-un-undo It? I don’t think so. But she’s a country artist nonetheless, as are many others with a wide range of sounds. Good for them, good for us not to be channeled into some narrow compartment of what we are allowed to like or listen to.

    Believe me, if Casey starts trying to pass off blues/rock as country then I will be complaining about him too. Or if Crystal were trying to act like her whole album is country then she’d be getting the major side eye from me. I’m for the Idol franchise doing well but I don’t want it to be at the expense of diluting the meaning of a type of music that means a lot to me.

    Crystal hasn’t represented her entire album as true-blue country, that I’ve read, but she seems to be seeking recognition as a country artist nonetheless. I suppose some could find that “carpetbagging” also to try and make your way into Nashville and country media based on one or two songs out of an entire album.

    Personally not sure what to make of Crystal’s situation, so withholding judgment. She’s early in her post-AI career, hasn’t started touring yet, maybe signing with Jive was an anomalous situation for her, etc. Remains to be seen, although to me she’s more a folk-rock artist ultimately. Casey is representing himself as a country(-ish) artist also, doing interviews and promotions to country radio, signed to a country label, etc. He’s saying his music is a mix, I believe, but he’s not denying that it’s country. (as in “somewhere in the spectrum of contemporary country music; vs. “Country” as narrowly defined in a clinical purist view.) He’s signed and being backed by a country label, I’m not sure why we would expect anything else, and I find nothing wrong with it.

  • tinawina

    I have to admit I don’t quite understand why — if someone is from the South — that automatically would make them more authentic as a country singer.

    It seems to be something almost cultural about it to me. Its not just a sound of the music (that’s part of it) but like a demeanor and an outlook on life, which is why Aaron always seemed a natural to me even though he was from Pennsylvania, but Simon’s suggestions around Katie seemed crazy off. It’s probably one of those intangible “you know it when you see it” type things, I guess.

    These same discussions happen for rock and hiphop, etc etc etc. Nothing new.

  • windmills

    certain1: For most people on the outside looking in an artist that signs with a Country label, has an album written by Country writers and produced by a Country producer is a Country artist

    Not according to reviews of Danny’s album from Country Weekly, the New York Times, Entertainment Weekly, and People, not to mention the people at radio who Danny’s admitted have given him pushback for not being believable as country. It doesn’t mean he’s not a nice guy or a guy with a good voice because Danny’s both.

    But also since you’re talking about people on the outside looking in, I think it’s important to clarify beyond the marketing labels in order to maintain a certain integrity of the art.

    Also this straw man idea that saying Danny’s not country is the same as not letting the genre evolve is totally wrong headed too. Being part of a genre’s evolution means having a basis in the genre’s sound in the 1st place and then expanding it. I’m a fan of many acts who are evolving country music including Brad Paisley, Carrie, and Miranda Lambert. Danny doesn’t have that basis.

    It’s sad but very telling hearing some people don’t “give a damn” about country music’s roots and what makes country country :( It’s another sign of how being in the country market doesn’t mean you’re bringing new fans to country music.

    steph6449: Maybe you can point me to her vocals in recent radio hits that harken back to those must-have classical yodel-based sounds. Un-un-un-undo It? I don’t think so.

    Check out Someday When I Stop Loving You or Look At Me on Play On. I Told You So for a fully traditional country delivery on a single. The verses of Undo It are sung straight country and so is the chorus of Cowboy Casanova: those 2 songs are examples of country blended with other genres. The verses of Mama’s Song are definitely sung with country phrasing (I think Craig Shelburne of CMT said Carrie’s singing on that one shows a Reba influence). None of which should be construed as me liking all those songs equally. I’ll take SWISLY/LAM/ITYS every time though I also really like Cowboy Casanova.

    I could go on but keep in mind one of my criticisms of Carrie has always been I think she’d be better off recording more traditional material because it’s what she sounds best at.

    steph6449: So it’s more “authentic” in your view to put on a fake twang to mirror traditional country sounds, or singing about backwoods stuff that seems to have nothing to do with your personal identity

    I’ve already said his material is a problem. Josh T doesn’t have a believability problem on Music Row DESPITE his material not because of it. His album catered too much to what country radio’s playing. I blame Jason Aldean ;) But I think Josh T’s phrasing/singing style is authentically country and I don’t find it fake or affected. Same thing with Josh Gracin.

    girlygirl: I have to admit I don’t quite understand why — if someone is from the South — that automatically would make them more authentic as a country singer.

    I agree with that. That’s why I pointed out earlier how the “where you’re from” consideration is secondary and is more about the likelihood of you having a more rural viewpoint often associated with country music. But it’s definitely not what that makes you country in the absence of other factors.

    tinawina: These same discussions happen for rock and hiphop, etc etc etc. Nothing new.

    That’s a really good point. I don’t know as much about hiphop but as far as rock, one of the reasons I think it’s having such problems lately is the corporatization of it. It’s kind of without an identity too.

  • steph6449

    Or Keith Urban, Tim McGraw, Lady Antebellum, Sugarland who all have worked with Danny and who all have spoken very highly of him

    I don’t recall any quotes from Tim McGraw or Sugarland, although the fact that Danny opened for them is a good thing for him. Keith Urban has said some very nice things, including specifically about liking Danny’s music for RCA Nashville; and Charles Kelley in particular from Lady A seems to have a real affection for Danny from what I’ve seen in that awards show broadcast, the comments they gave Brian Mansfield, and when Danny opened for Lady A at a location near me that I was able to attend.

    But I could add Randy Travis, Gretchen Wilson, Carrie Underwood, Jake Owen, Blake Shelton, the Judds, Rascal Flatts, Darryl Worley, The Band Perry, Kix Brooks, and probably others I’m forgetting who have made favorable comments about Danny or been supportive in one way or another.

    And Nicole Kidman, but that was more because she seemed to think Danny and his “kind eyes” were just too cute ;)

  • tinawina

    That’s a really good point. I don’t know as much about hiphop but as far as rock, one of the reasons I think it’s having such problems lately is the corporatization of it. It’s kind of without an identity too.

    With hop hop it is the same coporatization effect. There is much discussion about whether everyone who rhymes is “hip hop” or just a person saying bland stereotypes to a beat, and/or someone diluting the essence of the music to appeal to a non-hiphop loving audience. There are also arguments along these lines about people who have lead Disney lives picking up mikes and rhyming about “the streets”. I think this is just something about the nature of musical genres and the business of selling them to the public.

  • windmills

    ^ tinawina Are there articles or blogs about this that you know of that’d sum it up? Because you’ve really got me thinking about things in the different genres happening in parallel.

    I have 2 contradictory thoughts about hiphop. I’d been thinking it had become a victim of its own success where the best hiphop was before hiphop became so popular and mainstream and people started thinking they had to cater to the mainstream. But on the other hand, with Kanye and Eminem and Jay Z and others releasing some of the most critically acclaimed CDs, it’s almost like hiphop is the new rock as far as pushing boundaries but still maintaining a certain identity. But Kanye/Eminem/Jay Z are all pretty mainstream too. But unlike with country I don’t know the history as much and I’m not as familiar with the debates. What’s your take on it all, I’d love to know. Rock, hiphop, or both, since we’ve been over the country thing so many times ;)

    Edit: I feel like soul/R&B has to be having these debates too when I think of what’s getting radio play as opposed to the classic stuff.

  • girlygirl

    It’s great that Keith Urban and people from Lady A and Sugarland have all spoken highly about Danny, but I don’t know how helpful that is in being seen as a country artist. After all, Keith Urban loves Kris, and Lady A also speaks highly about him, but if Kris decided to try and break into the country market, he’d still likely get the same type of comments Danny receives about not being a “true” or “real” country musician. I think (hope?) the longer Danny works at it and continues to prove that this is the type of music he really wants to make (even if it isn’t “pure” country music), he’ll gradually get more and more acceptance.

  • PerfectStorm

    These same discussions happen for rock and hiphop, etc etc etc. Nothing new.

    I also think of the long lists of Idols who had a clearly defined a musical sound, yet they failed anyway. I think of someone like Kristy Lee Cook, who certainly represented a more traditional Country sound, yet she was dropped (twice) by Sony Nashville. And RCA Nashville opted to keep Danny, yet chosed to drop Chuck Wickes who certainly was more traditional Country than Danny.

    I don’t think RCA Nashville ever signed Danny with the intent of him being a traditional Country artist. They already have plenty artists that do that very well.

    Evan Farmer of CMT TV said it best when he acknowledged Danny for bringing a lot of new fans into Country music that otherwise might not have done so.

  • girlygirl

    That’s a good point about hip-hop and rock music. Musical styles evolve and change over the years, so what is considered hip-hop or rap or rock or pop or jazz or whatever in 2010 might not have been considered that type of music (or widely received by the public as such) 10 or 20 years ago. There are still some barriers that are hard to get past — if you aren’t black, it is still extremely hard to be taken seriously as a hip-hop or rap musician (obviously there are exceptions, but not a ton). If you are a woman, it is still hard to be taken seriously as a rocker (again, there are exceptions, but not a bunch). Is someone like Michael Buble taken seriously as a jazz artist, or is he too “pop”? Etc etc…

  • steph6449

    It’s sad but very telling hearing some people don’t “give a damn” about country music’s roots and what makes country country It’s another sign of how being in the country market doesn’t mean you’re bringing new fans to country music. :(

    I don’t recall reading anyone saying they don’t “give a damn” or, at least, that was a minority case. Most of us have a broader view, that’s all. And not everyone will wish to be a student or defender of country music history, many people just want to find music they like to listen to without subjecting it to analytical exercises or genre history tests.

    Check out Someday When I Stop Loving You or Look At Me on Play On. I Told You So for a fully traditional country delivery on a single. The verses of Undo It are sung straight country and so is the chorus of Cowboy Casanova: those 2 songs are examples of country blended with other genres. The verses of Mama’s Song are definitely sung with country phrasing (I think Craig Shelburne of CMT said Carrie’s singing on that one shows a Reba influence).

    “Country phrasing” is a different characteristic though, than the ~yodel-based heritage about which “us peeps” were tutored last night must be a fundamental/essential characteristic in any legit country music ;) And I asked about her radio hits, in particular, not album tracks.

    I blame Jason Aldean ;) But I think Josh T’s phrasing/singing style is authentically country and I don’t find it fake or affected. Same thing with Josh Gracin.

    Aww, I like Jason. Not so much Josh Th., but the faux twang isn’t the main reason, it’s the annoying beer/I’m-a-backwoods-boy songs. I like some of those songs from other artists, but the lyrics in Josh Th’s just grate on me for some reason. Not entirely to do with the disconnect with his background, either.

    As far as the faux twang, sometimes I do find that problematic. Other times, I think it’s ok as part of a performer’s act if they put on a certain sound that otherwise isn’t natural to them. They are there to be entertainers, after all. Either way, though, I don’t think it helps someone be perceived as “authentic” when they put on a non-natural accent. Some may find that ok for Josh Th. in the industry; I have read criticism of him though as a bit of a poser on some of the more traditionalist country blogs.

  • certain1

    I think (hope?) the longer Danny works at it and continues to prove that this is the type of music he really wants to make (even if it isn’t “pure” country music), he’ll gradually get more and more acceptance.

    Girlygirl

    I agree with this in the since that Danny has said that this is the music he wants to make and has no veered off of that path.

    It is a misquote to say that he has received a lot of push back from radio. Yes there have been some stations that have not played his music, but isn’t that the same with any artist in any genre. We talk about it here all the time, how such and such station just won’t play {insert the artist name here}. Yet in each of these cases enough stations played the songs enough for them to chart. What is played on the radio today is not always a reflection of what is right in a genre moreso what that stations’ PD likes.

    As to the reviews again we are back to personal opinions that only reflect them that writes ‘em :).

    ETA: I see that the ACC is moving from the weekly top 40 format to top 30 which will cost a lot of new songs to the charts a good # of spins and exposure. :(

  • Indigobunting

    Not according to reviews of Danny’s album from Country Weekly, the New York Times, Entertainment Weekly, and People, not to mention the people at radio who Danny’s admitted have given him pushback for not being believable as country

    These are not accurate statements. Country Weekly gave his album a better rating than Steel Magnolia’s, reviewed on the same page. SM is certainly more traditional. CW stated that he showed inspirational influences; never said it wasn’t country.

    Here is EW verbatim:

    “Nobody wants to be a nobody,” sings Danny Gokey on his post-Idol debut, and that hunger for attention no doubt explains why the growly gospel guy submits to a mall-country makeover here. Yet if My Best Days feels a little impersonal, it’s also stocked with crafty contributions from some of Nashville’s most dependable song doctors, including the guys of Lady Antebellum, whose “It’s Only” mines a dreamy melancholy well suited to Gokey’s rough-honey vocals. Another highlight: “I Still Believe,” a chewy bit of cheeseball inspiration by Idol judge Kara DioGuardi. B- —Mikael Wood
    Download These: piano-laced ballad “It’s Only”; hard-grooving “Be Somebody”

    http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/03/02/extended-play-country-edition-danny-gokey-blake-shelton-easton-corbin/

    Note that this guy (who btw gave Crystal a bad review with a C rating; obviously reviews are subjective) is snarky, but never said it was a failed attempt at a country album. I take this review as saying Danny is showing some success in his attempts.

    Well, the NYT, I’ll give you that one; although that guy appears to be a Danny fan who wishes he would have went Gospel/CCM. He gave him a good tour review also.

    How about Howard Cohen who has most definitely not been a Danny fan?

    On My Best Days, Gokey finds the right balance between neighboring music styles — contemporary country and Christian pop — and has delivered an album that isn’t a contender for Best anything but it feels like the most natural to come from a season eight contestant.

    Gokey’s believable, never moreso than on the closing I Never Said Goodbye, a tale of loss and holding on to memories.

    That is from a critic who readily admits he doesn’t like Danny on Idol, or currently, but he obviously recognized the quality of the album and the validity of his music/attempts. Saying he is believable and has the most natural sounding album from S8 is pretty high praise from a guy who had never been in Danny’s corner.

    Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/idol_watch/2010/03/review-danny-gokeys-best-days-.html#ixzz1FBqJdnIf

    You are also putting words in Danny’s mouth-he never said he received push back for not being “believable”. Please provide the link where he said those exact words. He said he received pushback in Brian M. article. IMO, it is more because he is from American Idol (yes, we will see; perhaps Casey will have a #1 hit and disprove that theory, but there is no doubt radio has backed off on Idol contestants somewhat) and because his subject matter is not what they want (he hasn’t sung about alcohol, gettin it on or being oh so country ….yet!). There are plenty who find him believable- he’d be out if the majority did not.

    Josh T doesn’t have a believability problem on Music Row DESPITE his material not because of it. His album catered too much to what country radio’s playing. I blame Jason Aldean ;) But I think Josh T’s phrasing/singing style is authentically country and I don’t find it fake or affected. Same thing with Josh Gracin.

    Never said they didn’t have country phrasing or singing style. But, again affecting a fake accent is not part of that. And that is not “authentic” to one’s self. Affecting “street lingo” and phrases in hip hop appears way different to me than affecting a whole nother accent you were not born or grew up with.

    Obviously no one will change anyone’s mind on this subject area; but I think we can all agree to disagree and that there are many different opinions on this and obviously that is why country music has become “everyones” music as Casey put it (again, not sure I would take it that far CJ, lol).

  • PerfectStorm

    I think (hope?) the longer Danny works at it and continues to prove that this is the type of music he really wants to make (even if it isn’t “pure” country music), he’ll gradually get more and more acceptance.

    I do think the industry is open minded and accepting, and not as cliquish and exclusive as some have made it out to be. At the end of the day, it’s really about the music.

    But there are certain non fans who have long made up their minds that they will never be happy no matter what Danny does. That’s why the same old tired arguments keep coming up. Not everyone is expected to like Danny, but he should be judged with the same set of standards.

    Who knows, maybe Crystal and Casey will turn out to be these huge stars in Country music??? But they were also part of what many had called the worst season of Idol ever. It wasn’t just about Lee, who unfairly has gotten the brunt of it.

    By the same token, it wasn’t just about Adam that Season 8 was one of the most popular. Danny had a part in that. And so did Kris.

  • windmills

    steph6449: And I asked about her radio hits, in particular, not album tracks.

    I gave you some of those too with the stylizations associated with country singing (Undo It verses, Cowboy Casanova chorus). Actually Mama’s Song’s verses still fit. I thought a few more examples from album tracks would also help you out but that was just my train of thought.

    girlygirl: That’s a good point about hip-hop and rock music. Musical styles evolve and change over the years, so what is considered hip-hop or rap or rock or pop or jazz or whatever in 2010 might not have been considered that type of music (or widely received by the public as such) 10 or 20 years ago.

    I think most of us agree about that. But there’s a difference between making music that already fits a different classification and evolving a music style by taking part of the sound associated with a genre and blending it with sounds from other genres. Consider this: what if somebody today were making music that sounds pretty much like what Tony Bennett made 30 or 40 years ago but the person was calling it rock or R&B or country? Or what if somebody today were making music that sounds pretty much like what Randy Travis made 20 years ago but calling it pop or rock or R&B. There’d be a disconnect. That’s what I’m saying is going on with some acts calling themselves country. It’s not evolving the genre if all you’re doing is making music that’s already got a classification but slapping a different genre label on it that doesn’t fit.

    As far as Buble I always thought he’d be considered a traditional pop singer. I know jazz is an influence for him but only as filtered through the old standards right?

  • tinawina

    ^ tinawina Are there articles or blogs about this that you know of that’d sum it up? Because you’ve really got me thinking about things in the different genres happening in parallel.

    LOL! I went to try to google something that didn’t have too much slang, and I found a funny one at urban dictionary, of all places:

    Read the two Defintions of real hip hop

    This about sums up the debate.

    There are people who believe “hip hop”, or at least the rapping (also called emceeing or rhyming) end of hip hop is mostly about being a technically good emcee with your own identifiable sound, having a good flow, enunciation, creative or witty wordplay, a distinctive style, something to say which adds to the culture. So Soljia Boy would not count, as would a lot of mass market types like say FloRida. But there are others who say that is an elitist crock of shit and that anyone who is rhyming and is from the “right” background is hiphop. Some people will say that “cars drugs bling women money” stuff is not original at all, it was at one time but now its just a caricature and only wack people do it, and again others don’t care as long as the quality of the music is good and others say it doesn’t matter, it all fits.

    And yes, there are definitely issues around who can be “authentic” and who can’t cased on race and often culture.

  • steph6449

    I gave you some of those too with the stylizations associated with country singing (Undo It verses, Cowboy Casanova chorus). Actually Mama’s Song’s verses still fit.

    Not sure I would find it as distinctive in Carrie’s sound as you feel. But I will have any number of chances to reassess, as my radio station is constantly (constantly, lol) playing Undo It and Cowboy Casanova ;) Which is fine, I guess, except for me they are almost the same song :? Didn’t love Mama’s Song, but did like Temporary Home; they still play that one also.

  • windmills

    Indigobunting: Country Weekly gave his album a better rating than Steel Magnolia’s, reviewed on the same page. SM is certainly more traditional. CW stated that he showed inspirational influences; never said it wasn’t country.

    CW called his album Christian pop/soul and said there was occasional banjo “thrown in” there.

    tinawina: Thanks! LOL@where you had to go, but thanks!

  • steph6449

    People can judge for themself on CW’s reviewer, which was just one of any number of reviews, plus response in the market and industry in other respects.

    http://www.countryweekly.com/danny_gokey/reviews/804

    Country Weekly has been covering Danny regularly for a year or more, with items on him personally, his concert events, charity work, and even a “hot guy” photo spread, lol.

    Most recently, including a full page spread that refers to Danny as “one of the nicest guys in country music.”

    Not “one of the nicest guys in Christian-pop with a banjo” ;)

  • PerfectStorm

    You are also putting words in Danny’s mouth-he never said he received push back for not being “believable”. Please provide the link where he said those exact words. He said he received pushback in Brian M. article. IMO, it is more because he is from American Idol (yes, we will see; perhaps Casey will have a #1 hit and disprove that theory, but there is no doubt radio has backed off on Idol contestants somewhat) and because his subject matter is not what they want (he hasn’t sung about alcohol, gettin it on or being oh so country ….yet!). There are plenty who find him believable- he’d be out if the majority did not.

    ITA. This is the actual quote. “We’ve seen some pushback from country radio,” Danny admits. “We want to make sure that people know that I’m here to stay. Coming out with a second album will show people that this is not just an attempt, it’s something I really want to do.”

    I always just read this as a growth area – continuing to make his presence known, typical for most new artists as they transition from their debut to their sophmore album. And right before that Brian talked about how well Danny’s album sold.

    I agree, if most people did not find him believable (or marketable) -he’d be gone. As many others before him have.

  • Elliegrll

    Country Weekly has been covering Danny regularly for a year or more, with items on him personally, his concert events, charity work, and even a “hot guy” photo spread, lol.

    Most recently, including a full page spread that refers to Danny as “one of the nicest guys in country music.”

    Not “one of the nicest guys in Christian-pop with a banjo”

    It’s clear that they like him, but that has nothing to do with how they labeled the music on the cd.

    There are a lot of country artists whose music is more pop or rock than country, so Danny isn’t the only one.

  • Elliegrll

    PerfectStorm, why has there been pushback, if radio insiders have found Danny to be a believable country artist?

    Based on the statement that you quoted, it would seem that Danny feels that he still has to prove himself as a country artist, and not just as an artist.

  • asics85

    After reading tinawina’s post about what the urban dictionary said about the definition of hip-hop music I decided to check out what it said about country music too ;)

    1. country music
    A form of music in which the words can be understood, any instrument is game, writing talent is critical, and every song doesn’t have to be about horny depressed teenagers singing one or two lines over and over.

  • JosieX

    Also this straw man idea that saying Danny’s not country is the same as not letting the genre evolve is totally wrong headed too. Being part of a genre’s evolution means having a basis in the genre’s sound in the 1st place and then expanding it. I’m a fan of many acts who are evolving country music including Brad Paisley, Carrie, and Miranda Lambert. Danny doesn’t have that basis.

    Danny doesn’t have that basis? Hmm. The guy is working on his second album for a major country label. If that album meets the expectation of the label as to critical and commercial success and he continues to attract people to come see him when he performs, there’s his “basis”. That’s the one that counts.

    Your theory that a genre of music only evolves from artists within in it who are operating within some prescribed boundaries doesn’t seem to me to accurately reflect how music has actually evolved in the past. For example, out of the human tragedy of slavery that brought African musicians to the US, music evolved. Out of the economic changes in the country that resulted in migration from the rural south into cities across the country, music evolved. Out of new technologies, music evolved. The market demographics change, and music evolves. A sweet guy with an incredible voice catches the attention of Randy Travis, and now there’s something new in country music. So what was the catalyst for change here? Randy Travis? Pretty sure that would meet your test, wouldn’t it? ;) Or, no, I guess the catalyst for change was Danny’s thought process and decision about what he wanted to do. But it doesn’t matter. What matters is how well what Danny is doing as an artist aligns with what the market wants at this time. It’s going pretty well for him so far, but we’ll just have to see if it goes to the next level for him. I really hope so, as I said I love what he’s doing and I’d love to see him able to keep growing and evolving in country music. It seems to me that a lot of people who love country music are excited and happy about having a talent like Danny’s in the industry, and that seems very logical to me.

  • kokko

    Individuals will always have their own opinion on what country music is and what country music should sound like, given the fact that some of the most successful country artists like Taylor Swift and Shania Twain are not considered by many as “authentic” or “mainstream” country artists I would leave the verdict (on whether Danny is a country artist) to country fans and the country music industry.

    However, what Danny fans find a problem with that Danny-is-not-country argument is the term carpetbagger and its implications that Danny has no place in the country genre at all.

    The music recording industry is a tough business to be in, we’ve seen quite a few popular idols signing with major labels but ended up parting ways with the label after disappointing sales. There are idols (like Bucky) whose first albums are decent in sales but currently struggling in their second’s; there are also idols (like Bo) whose first few albums did not do very well (with respect to both critics and sales) and now decided to launch their “new” music in country. Of course there are idols (like Crystal) whose albums are not considered country but use country the genre as a media to get their music out to a broader audience. I also want to mention there are idols (like Kelly & Daughtry) whose music/ablums are in totally different genre but they willingly collaborate with country artists to produce country songs, sometimes with great success.

    In 2011 there was a new country artist by the name Jaron and the Long Road to Love released his first country album and managed to get his debut single Pray for You to Top 15 on the country chart. His background? His real name is Jaron Lowenstein and he was actually a member of a duo pop group called Evan & Jaron in the 90s. Seeing the pop group did not work out and he “reinvented” himself after a few long years by giving himself a weird name and use country as a platform to launch his “new” music. I am not sure if this guy fits the true meaning of being a carpetbagger??

    The reason why I listed the above examples is that Danny just like any artists I mentioned above has every right to take advantage of any opportunities that are presented to him, he is not faking a twang and he’s making music that’s true to himself, yes he chooses to present his music to the listening audience through the country genre – just like Bo, Crystal, Casey and yes Jaron and The Long Road to Love – albeit individual’s “expert” opinion on what country music should sound like.

    Whether Danny will find long term success in the country genre remains to be seen, but things do look good that he is given the green light for a second album – & it’s still under a country label.

  • girlygirl

    Here’s some great news — not only is Adele set to have the #1 album on this week’s US charts, she has the #1 AND #2 album on the UK charts — as well as the #1 and #4 songs on the UK singles charts.

  • certain1

    Elliegrll:
    02/27/2011 at 4:03 pm
    PerfectStorm, why has there been pushback, if radio insiders have found Danny to be a believable country artist?

    Based on the statement that you quoted, it would seem that Danny feels that he still has to prove himself as a country artist, and not just as an artist.

    While it was not from the same article as the quote was from, Danny did elaborate on this in a later interview. In this piece he talked about how some of the people that he coming across were looking for music that sounded like things they were already playing and that was not want he wanted to present. Hopefully someone can bring that link over.

  • Elliegrll

    While it was not from the same article as the quote was from, Danny did elaborate on this in a later interview. In this piece he talked about how some of the people that he coming across were looking for music that sounded like things they were already playing and that was not want he wanted to present. Hopefully someone can bring that link over.

    So, am I interpreting this wrong, or is he basically saying that he’s been told that the music from his album doesn’t fit into what is currently being played on country radio stations?

  • Indigobunting

    PerfectStorm, why has there been pushback, if radio insiders have found Danny to be a believable country artist?

    Based on the statement that you quoted, it would seem that Danny feels that he still has to prove himself as a country artist, and not just as an artist.

    Danny is pretty competitive; to him “Pushback” is his song not making it to the top 10.

    Single #1 was #22 mediabase, single #2 was #32. Many PD (including Milwaukee who was very supportive and still plays his first single) said IWNSGB was too sad and depressing. I can see that; it actually wouldn’t have been my choice for a second single-but the song received kudos for superior vocals (even from some non fans/blogs).
    I think all AI alums nowadays have to prove themselves more. You would have though Adam with his big label push,sales and media love would have been much higher. I think in past years he would have.

    I think he did pretty well on radio for an AI alum third placer who was green and sang gospel before actually picking a genre. Look at Lee and Crystals struggles this year.

    I don’t have a problem with people saying he has to “prove” himself. Why wouldn’t he? I think they all do. I think Kokko sums it up:

    However, what Danny fans find a problem with that Danny-is-not-country argument is the term carpetbagger and its implications that Danny has no place in the country genre at all.

    I agree.

    It’s clear that they like him, but that has nothing to do with how they labeled the music on the cd.

    I think her point was they say “nicest guys in country music” I think if you read the full review link, it does not say the album “is not country”. To me it says he straddles the line between christian and pop country. WM also left out the “down home lyrics” (country reference) in her quote with the banjos.

    Look at the ratings underneath on the review-all the albums (quite country) there are rated. Only one other (Thompson Square who are pretty hot on the single chart right now) has a rating as good as Danny and only one (Johhny Cash, lol) is half star higher. 3.5 stars is between very good and excellent, so I think this review shows they certainly accept his music; coupled with the quote of being “the nicest guy in country music, well, I just fail to see how they have a problem with him/his music.

  • Elliegrll

    I think he did pretty well on radio for an AI alum third placer

    Where he finished on AI is always brought up, but I don’t see how this matters in the real world. His placement on AI didn’t have anything to do with how well or poorly his songs were received at country radio stations. Just off of the top of my head, Elliot Yamin, Bucky Covington, Kellie Pickler, Daughtry, and Kimberly Locke all finished out of the top two, and all had albums that sold more than Danny’s, and singles that did better on their chosen radio format.

  • Indigobunting

    So, am I interpreting this wrong, or is he basically saying that he’s been told that the music from his album doesn’t fit into what is currently being played on country radio stations?

    I don’t think you are interpreting that wrong. Country radio is pretty formulaic for the most part. There are a lot of excellent artists who do well and don’t get played. Jamie Johnson? James Otto should be played more. Avett Brothers-yes some may argue they are alt country, but still…. Dierks Bentley bluegrass stuff?

    So nothing to do with being a “believable country artist”. There are many who have trouble getting their stuff played.

    Danny even alluded to that, he stated his label is a business and they need hits. Especially to reach more of the country audience. I don’t expect him to affect a twang, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he has some more radio friendly songs on #2, in subject matter and music. It will be great music, nonetheless. Danny can do more traditional country- his Boot scootin Boogy, an Alan Jackson song I heard on the cruise (Blue Mercury?), The Coach, I’ve heard him sound more traditional-but he is more interested in country soul and that is what he will concentrate on.

    Where he finished on AI is always brought up, but I don’t see how this matters in the real world.

    It matters in that they don’t get the PR push, support that finalists do. AI alums initially rely on their AI fans; that is no secret. Especially ones like Danny who are new to a genre. And everyone talks about how radio (and sales were so much better S5 etc in the heyday of AI) and album sales- I think we’ve seen that come to pass the past 2-3 years. In fact they’ve done way better than the actual winners the past two years, and I don’t attribute that to poorer quality, I attribute that partially to sales and decreased AI interest.

  • Elliegrll

    It matters in that they don’t get the PR push, support that finalists do

    Aside from Daughtry, none of the others that I mentioned received the same type of PR push as the top two finishers.

  • windmills

    Indigobunting: I think if you read the full review link, it does not say the album “is not country”.

    LOL.

    Country Weekly: This set is mostly uplifting Christian pop and blue-eyed soul paired with down-home lyrics and an occasional banjo thrown in for good measure,

    It’s so obvious where Country Weekly places this album genrewise (and the fact that the review appears in CW is not significant seeing as they review a number of gospel and CCM releases too). Down home lyrics doesn’t necessarily mean country and it’s obvious by the “thrown in” what they think of any banjo being there on the album.

    Sorry to everybody else, sometimes the spin just gets too crazy for me to let it go. No more from me tonight, I’m off to an Oscar party. Enjoy your night everybody!

  • certain1

    Elliegirl
    You are also talking about artists releasing music from 5-8 years ago with the exception of Daughtry where are they now on the spectrum.

  • Elliegrll

    You are also talking about artists releasing music from 5-8 years ago with the exception of Daughtry where are they now on the spectrum.

    Well, Kellie had a top hit just shortly before Danny released his single, but I don’t see how the length of time matters. The argument was that Danny had done as well as expected for a third place finisher, and I was just listing some names that had done better with their first albums and singles. My point is that Danny’s placement doesn’t have anything to do his songs not charting higher, or PDs deciding not to play the songs.

  • certain1

    Actually the single that Kellie released just before Danny was MMFIL and it ended one spot above IWNSG on the chart. The point was thay got alot more mileage out of being from AI as it was newer and fresher at the time of their bigger hits.

  • aidancash

    I have to correct the info on jaron and the long road to love above. Jaron was not trying to become a country artist. After taking time off he was working on music and had it posted on his myspace. Fans are the ones that requested the song to country radio. After it started getting buzz I think it was Big Machine that picked up the cd for distribution. So I pray for you was all fan driven to country radio.

    Bottom line if you need to reinvent yourself to what country radio wants your not going to be successful. If just have to be who you are. The music for coutry radio has to be honest and heartfelt. If you cant just be yourself then you may not be in the right place.

  • Indigobunting

    Actually the single that Kellie released just before Danny was MMFIL and it ended one spot above IWNSG on the chart. The point was thay got alot more mileage out of being from AI as it was newer and fresher at the time of their bigger hits.

    And Kellie has a lot of country love and respect, toured with Taylor Swift, Rascal Flatts, prior hits and good PR. So if you want to bring that up; yeah Danny’s single did pretty well during that very competitive time on the charts.

    It is strange how arguments can go back and forth. It has been argued that Kris’s album would be gold if you compare it relatively to S5 album sales and Adam’s would be platinum.
    Yet Danny’s 200+k sales are held in literal comparison to S5? Lol.

    If you want one comparison, you can compare Danny’s debut breaking records-even more than Bucky’s in S5 at a time of much larger sales. And his debut (in March, have you, much slower time than the Fall large Christmas sales) only 15k less than the S8 winner. Now, he didn’t follow it up with a big hit and increase his sales as much as he could have; but he still sold steadily to 200k plus, without much PR or a big hit to drive album sales.

    That is not spinning anything, just the facts

    Sorry to everybody else, sometimes the spin just gets too crazy for me to let it go.

    Yes, I do agree with that statement 100% for myself as well ;)

  • aidancash

    If Danny doesnt succeed with his second album it may just be that he is not in country at the rigt time. Country is starting to trend to the more organic raw stuff. Zac Brown would never have been considered radio friendly 5 years ago. There are still a few pop acts in coutnry who are pop country that have been around awhile and still have a lot of success like Urban and Rascall flatts. The reason Lady A has had success is because they are different. There songs are like 2 people dueting.

  • Indigobunting

    Bottom line if you need to reinvent yourself to what country radio wants your not going to be successful. If just have to be who you are. The music for coutry radio has to be honest and heartfelt. If you cant just be yourself then you may not be in the right place.

    Aidan, I think that is a lovely sentiment. I don’t know how practical it is to go by 100%. Whether it is Casey having to countrify up his blues/rock to even be considered for play or Danny having to talk more about other topics lyrically, I think they all have to compromise a tiny bit. As well as Crystal agreeing to sign with a primarily pop/urban label when she is not. I don’t think a little compromise is always bad; sometimes we find out things about ourselves we like when we compromise :)

  • Elliegrll

    Actually the single that Kellie released just before Danny was MMFIL and it ended one spot above IWNSG on the chart. The point was thay got alot more mileage out of being from AI as it was newer and fresher at the time of their bigger hits.

    Singles still have to be good in order for people to buy them, and for stations to play them. A song is not going to make it to the top 15 or higher on any chart just because someone was on AI.

    For me, saying that someone could have gone Gold is spinning, even if we are talking about Kris.

  • steph6449

    It’s so obvious where Country Weekly places this album genrewise (and the fact that the review appears in CW is not significant seeing as they review a number of gospel and CCM releases too). Down home lyrics doesn’t necessarily mean country and it’s obvious by the “thrown in” what they think of any banjo being there on the album.

    I think the point some of us were proposing was to let people make up their own minds on that review, and search out other Danny CD (and concert) reviews as they may be interested. Without having one person’s opinion on what is “so obvious” arbitrate for all others.

    Also, one review or even a selectively chosen handful of reviews, does not represent 100% of critical opinion on any particular artist’s first album. Much less have the final say on what a new artist may do over a career as they grow and evolve.

    I will be interested to see what songs Danny & team choose for his second country album. I’m expecting it will show some growth in a variety of areas.

    He’s spent going on a year and a half performing songs from MBD across the country to live country audiences of all types, while also tackling a variety of covers from people as varied as Keith Urban, Rascal Flatts, Travis Tritt, and most recently between the cruise concerts and 2011 appearances showing a few new (or AI reprise) covers from Tim McGraw, Carrie Underwood, and Brooks & Dunn. Even a little Alan Jackson thrown in on the cruise, although the latter to me was more something he did for fun joking around with the band; that is one song where you could actually hear Danny throw in a faux twang ;)

    He’s also had a lot of opportunities to see other country artists performing. That’s shown obvious benefits in his touring stagecraft, I expect it will show some influences in his recording efforts also.

    Actually the single that Kellie released just before Danny was MMFIL and it ended one spot above IWNSG on the chart. The point was thay got alot more mileage out of being from AI as it was newer and fresher at the time of their bigger hits.

    And as best I recall, her 2010 single before that topped out in the upper teens, not tremendously far below MBAAOM which peaked at #22. Bucky’s also topped out in the low 20s. Bo, Michael Sarver, and Josh Gracin (bikini babe song) didn’t chart anywhere close to the country top 40 as best I can remember. Danny & team would have loved to see a breakout country hit, but they did reasonably well and better than some with his first couple of singles out of the box.

    Only Carrie this year has regularly been at the top of the country charts, and that’s obviously a unique case.

  • aidancash

    Sometimes you may have to compromise a little. I heard Sara Evans say for her album born to fly she found the nice medium between her ver y country twang and making her sound contemporary. But that doesnt mean she ditched who she was. It just means she found the right medium between the two. Casey has more country in him then what you think. He just has to take all his influences and make a hit song. That doesnt mean he is going to have to reinvent himself.

    Aidan, I think that is a lovely sentiment. I don’t know how practical it is to go by 100%. Whether it is Casey having to countrify up his blues/rock to even be considered for play or Danny having to talk more about other topics lyrically, I think they all have to compromise a tiny bit. As well as Crystal agreeing to sign with a primarily pop/urban label when she is not. I don’t think a little compromise is always bad; sometimes we find out things about ourselves we like when we compromise

  • kokko

    aidancash – thanks for clarifying how Jaron got into country music – yes there have been arguments like Jaron never said he was a country artist, etc – well, he certainly had no problem in accepting the nomination of Breakthrough COUNTRY Artists of the Year at the first American COUNTRY Awards, and I think he would’ve been more than happy to accept the award had he won (the winner was Easton Corbin), I am sure in his acceptance speech he would give a heartfelt thanks to Country music for the opportunity, but I doubted he would mention his music was not really country but it just got played by country radios :-)

    My point is if a person with Jaron’s background ended up using the country genre as a platform to reach out to a larger audience, I see no reason why people should be so critical about Danny choosing the country genre to get his music heard.

  • steph6449

    I don’t really have any issue with Jaron taking the opportunity to come into country music, and from what I can see, he means to do so vs. treating P4U as a one-off song and pursuing a career from here on in pop or whatever. He’s been performing at country events, doing country media, etc.

    I don’t care though for the JATLRTL name. I find it goofy, and offputting especially as it just seems likely to me that he’s using it to isolate himself career-wise from his actual last name. I’d rather see him just use his name, ethnic though it may be; seems more “authentic” to me, lol.