Weekend Countdown Shows – 01/15/11

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Every weekend, there are countless countdown shows. VH1’s top 20 videos. Ryan’s American Top 40. Rick Dee’s Weekly Top 40 and many more. If you find an Idol on one of these shows, please post it here!

This is the general numbers thread for the weekend. So, if you find some cool numbers, this is the thread for posting them.

American Top 40
No Idols

VH1 Top 20

#11 Crystal Bowersox – Farmer’s Daughter [2|11][+4] New Peak
#16 Lee Dewyze – Sweet Serendipity [4|16][-5]

CMT top 20:

#4 (2) Mama’s Song (Carrie Underwood)
#3 (8) Don’t You Wanna Stay (Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson)

 
  • tripp_ncwy

    Pulled over from the other thread.

    VH1 Top 20 Music Video Countdown 1/15/11

    #11 Crystal Bowersox – Farmer’s Daughter [2|11][+4] New Peak
    #16 Lee Dewyze – Sweet Serendipity [4|16][-5]

  • jpfan

    Getting their videos on VH1 Top 20 is good news for both Lee and Crystal.

    Idol fans are great at voting!

  • tripp_ncwy

    Well Jim Shearer also joked “What’s his name, oh Lee Dewyze” since Crystal outsold him in 1st week sales. I know he was joking like he did last year with the Adam vs. Kris battle for #1. I don’t think either of these videos will have enough steam to reach #1 on the countdown.

    ETA: Jim’s comments are not going over well with Lee fans.

  • mmb

    I doubt that Lees video will even reach the top ten at this point. Still good promo for the song to have it anywhere in the countdown. But if vh1 won’t put it in top ten that shows a huge lack of enthusiasm. Most idol videos over the past few years have gone to number 1 ( even tt made top five )

  • Valentin432

    CMT top 20:

    #4 (2) Mama’s Song (Carrie Underwood)
    #3 (8) Don’t You Wanna Stay (Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson)

  • hoosiermama

    ETA: Jim’s comments are not going over well with Lee fans.

    Just saw that on VH1. Really Jim Shearer? That was SO unnecessary. He said “What’s his name? Oh yeah, Lee DeWyze” TWICE. I’m not even a big Lee fan, but I’m offended. Crystal doesn’t need to be boosted up by putting Lee down. Sad.

  • tinawina

    He doesn’t need to be number one on the countdown to get a benefit, he just needs to stay on there as long as possible.

    Man, Lee sure does get the business around here. LOL. He’s not even close to a favorite but I’m really starting to feel for the guy.

    There are some big markets starting to circle his song, right? Its not over yet. I say give the guy a little space and see what happens. His trajectory is not like Idols past so far but that does not mean he has to end up an utter failure or anything.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Lee’s Sweet Serendipity video has been removed from the VH1 Top 20 Countdown list for voting. What’s up? Crystal is still there.

  • luly

    The remark about Lee was completely unnecessary. And it’s not like the difference in their sales is that big and Lee’s single is actually still climbing on HAC so I really don’t get why vh1 would treat him like that. And why they couldn’t just complement Crystal without offending Lee? I am not a fan of his and I still annoyed hearing this type of comments about him.

  • Kirsten

    Lee’s Sweet Serendipity video has been removed from the VH1 Top 20 Countdown list for voting.

    That often happens when they are about to announce a new single. But he still has an add date coming up on Pop for SS, so that doesn’t make a lot of sense. Maybe they will pull that add date as well and just go with a new single.

    Odd. If he gets a new single announced in the next couple of weeks, then that’s the reason. If they don’t announce a new single soon? Well, that’s probably not a good sign.

    His song is still climbing on HAC, it’s making the countdown and it’s not old, so it has to be something the label is doing. Or maybe it’s just a glitch.

  • jennyl

    I was all for watching AI10 but now I don’t have the heart to watch this show anymore. The news media, fans and now the entertainment is really punishing the artist for wining a show that is decided by public votes. Ya you can blame it on the voting system but everyone knew the rules and should have voted according to the rules. If they didn’t want him to win, they should have voted harder and not make remarks that punishes him. It sucks when ppl vote and not support the artist they voted for. If they don’t want to support him post idol, they should have not voted at all.

  • Valentin432

    There’s absolutely nothing to feel sorry about for any of these guys. Taylor Hicks is not dead from all the bad press he received the past few years and Lee still got the chance to record his songs and be in front of millions of people performing his music.

    The ones that are the most hurt by the AI process are the semifinalist up to the 11th one who didn’t get on the tour.
    They get very little compensation and some had to quit their jobs for almost a year, just to audition.

  • steph6449

    Not at all a fan of Lee, but if someone said that on VH1, especially when Lee is also on their countdown, that’s pretty harsh. Hope it came across as just a joke.

  • Kirsten

    The news media, fans and now the entertainment is really punishing the artist for wining a show that is decided by public votes.

    They have been doing that since season 2 and poor Ruben. Season 5′s Taylor Hicks probably got it the worse. He was savaged. Lee got off easy in comparison.

    It’s not new. It’s predictable. Heck, Cook sold over a million CDs and he still got a press drubbing for merely having his coronation single peak lower on the Hot 100 than Archie’s Crush (even thought it sold more units). Kris had a single that went top 10 in 3 formats and sold close to 2 million units and the press makes it sounds like he’s done absolutely nothing. And the archives of this blog would turn your hair white.

  • Elliegrll

    Two days ago, I posted in the numbers thread about the song being in the “On” or lowest rotation on FMQB’s chart for VH1, while Farmer’s Daughter is in medium rotation. I thought that was odd, especially since it looks like SS is about to be added to some large market station’s playlist.

    This shouldn’t be a surprise, SS isn’t on VH1′s playlist for next week. http://fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=16025 I’m surprised that Lee’s fans didn’t see this when it was posted on Thursday.

  • tinawina

    Odd. If he gets a new single announced in the next couple of weeks, then that’s the reason. If they don’t announce a new single soon? Well, that’s probably not a good sign.

    Yeah, I agree. That is really odd.

    Crystal doesn’t need to be boosted up by putting Lee down.

    I don’t think the Vh1 host is necessarily pro-Crystal. I think this is part of the yearly media focus on who “won” the sales contest.

    Heck, Cook sold over a million CDs and he still got a press drubbing for merely having his coronation single peak lower on the Hot 100 than Archie’s Crush (even thought it sold more units).

    Cookie got bad press for his album debuting at number 3 while Archie’s debuted at number 2, even though he sold nearly 100,000 more. Silly stuff, happens all the ime.

  • jennyl

    It’s not new. It’s predictable.

    Actually, I didn’t want Lee to win for this very reason. From early on I’ve been reading comments and guess this was coming. The way I see it, don’t win AI. It sucks big time.

  • Elliegrll

    Actually, I didn’t want Lee to win for this very reason. From early on I’ve been reading comments and guess this was coming. The way I see it, don’t win AI. It sucks big time.

    It sucks to have people trash you, but in the end these alums are doing something that most of the people who are putting them down aren’t doing, living their dream. And it is still up to the artists to determine whether or not they are going to do the things that they need to do in order to be successful. Idol viewers are not the only consumers of music, and even if they weren’t being trashed, they’d still have to put in the work to get their music noticed. Kris’ problem isn’t that Adam sold more than he did, or that pathetic people can’t get over the fact that he won, the problem is that his label picked the worse song on the album to follow a huge hit. If that didn’t happen, fewer people would feel the need to make it seem like he hasn’t accomplished anything.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I can see how Jim Shearer’s comments may not come off as a joke because he followed his comment up by saying sometimes it pays to come in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th. Ask, Adam Lambert, Clay Aiken, Chris Daughtry and Jennifer Hudson.

  • larc

    tinawina:
    Man, Lee sure does get the business around here. LOL. He’s not even close to a favorite but I’m really starting to feel for the guy.

    Lee’s not the one who should be getting static. It’s not his fault he won.

  • googletot

    Lee was #11 last week, and the slide is quite big this week. Thus, it’s probably the reason he’s already gone.

  • Elliegrll

    Lee’s not the one who should be getting static. It’s not his fault he won.

    Yes it is. He stood out more than the 24 other people that people had to pick from. Just like it’s Crystal’s fault that she didn’t do more to get people to vote for her.

    Lee was #11 last week, and the slide is quite big this week. Thus, it’s probably the reason he’s already gone.

    The slide is an indication that they were going to remove the song, but not the reason why. Songs slide up and down that countdown all of the time, have bigger drops than SS did, and leave and re-enter the chart often.

  • mmb

    If SS has been removed from the vh1 playlist and is no longer on the top 20 countdown either 1) the label is going to go with a new single and is pulling back from promoting SS OR 2) there are a ton a big name new videos about to come out (Avril, Britney, Pink just to name a few) and vh1 is making room for those new videos — if SS was in the top five or ten and was getting a good response it probably wouldn’t get pulled to make room for others…but since it never cracked top ten the response probably wasn’t all that great so vh1 viewed it as dispendable….i guess we won’t know which is the reason until we see whether there is a new single…if they are going to try a new single with Lee it would make sense for them to try to get a video made now and start sending it to radio at least a few weeks before the start of the live AI episodes, and then get Lee on one of the first live episodes to perform it

  • jennyl

    Yes it is. He stood out more than the 24 other people that people had to pick from.

    He did his best and is being crucified for it. Last I heard, its not Crystal’s fault she didn’t win, its Lees.

  • mmb

    I don’t feel bad for Lee or Crystal or Taylor or Kris or any other idol who has been criticized for their post-idol sales etc (most of which is unfair and unwarranted criticism)…pre-idol no one knew their name, and they were unable to earn a decent living making music. Post-idol they all had major label record deals, millions of people know who they are, and they will (for at least the forseeable future) be able to make a very nice living making music. Some will continue to be major label artists and hitmakers, others will have more modest careers touring and recording independently. Either way, they are way better off that they were pre-idol. And I’m sure that if you asked any of them “would you trade the post idol criticism for your pre-idol life” they would all say NO. Besides, even the most successful artists are criticized for something — no one on the public eye gets away scot-free)

  • tripp_ncwy

    Rick Dee’s Weekly Hit Radio Top 40
    #23 September Daughtry
    #40 If I Had You Adam Lambert

    Rick Dee’s Weekly HAC Top 40
    #12 September Daughtry
    #28 Sweet Serendipity Lee DeWyze
    #38 If I Had You Adam Lambert

  • Elliegrll

    Last I heard, its not Crystal’s fault she didn’t win, its Lees.

    Every contestant is personally responsible for getting people to vote for them, both Lee and Crystal did that more than the others, and in the end, Lee was better at it than Crystal. The only people who are to blame are those who don’t understand that the the season 9 is over, but considering that there are still people upset about almost every season that happened before it, that’s not a surprise.

    JMHO, I don’t think that Lee or Crystal did their best, but they did enough to beat everyone else, and Lee did more to get people to vote for him.

  • girlygirl

    It’s not a good sign that the SS video has been pulled, because that was the one way the song was getting any real exposure. Yes, it’s continuing to pick up spins, bu it still isn’t getting heard much, if at all, in the big markets, so it isn’t selling very well. Unless RCA pulled it to make way for single #2, this isn’t good news.

    I get so angry about how so many of the winners get trashed, not just by fans of other Idols, but by the media — especially since the media is too lazy to do any research about how someone’s career has gone, instead just repeating inaccuracies about how so-and-so is a failure.

    I know that all these people are living their dream and most of them are doing at least ok financially, but it still can’t be fun to constantly get trashed in the media and by the public. Even if they try to avoid it by not going on the internet, not reading the columns, etc., you know they’ve still been told at least some of what people are saying about them. And that’s go to hurt at least a little, because who wants to be called a failure, or blamed for something (winning AI) that they had little actual control over?

  • larc

    jennyl:
    He did his best and is being crucified for it. Last I heard, its not Crystal’s fault she didn’t win, its Lees.

    If it’s anybody’s fault, it’s Idol’s for not giving the voters better choices. Secondly, it comes down to the voters. All you have to do is look at some of the Presidents we’ve got to know how astute they are at handling their job. ;)

  • Kitwana

    Lee’s not the one who should be getting static. It’s not his fault he won.

    Lee and his fans can silence critics by selling singles and CDs. Rightly or wrongly, the winner is expected to do well. Interestingly, since Season 7, the runner up has also been expected to do well. However, there does not seem to be the same scrutiny on Crystal’s number. All credit to Gina Orr for creating the right spin. 19M really has failed Lee. Where is his SNL performance? Where was his AMA performance?

  • Fullmoon

    even the most successful artists are criticized for something — no one on the public eye gets away scot-free)

    Hey, talk to Adam fans. When Adam lost he was called a loser, poser, radio will never play him, he belongs on Broadway, he’s not a real artist. After the AMA, he got slammed by everyone and some from the media for months and Jim shearer threw his digs in there to. It was rough for months. They all get it.

  • luly

    It’s very strange that vh1 removed Lee’s video.
    Since his single is still climbing on HAC and will go for add on pop in 2 weeks it will be strange if they will switch now to another single.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    19M really has failed Lee. Where is his SNL performance? Where was his AMA performance?

    19M can not do miracles if there is no or very little interest in Lee. All Idol winners and runner-ups get some performances on shows like Ellen, Leno, Letterman, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, The Today Show, GMA, CBS Morning Show etc. But SNL and AMA are totally different games.
    Lee and Crystal just don’t have enough buzz to get more than standard Idol promo. It’s not 19M’s or Gina’s fault.

  • kvwicks13

    As a Lee fan, the comments from the VH1 host (What’s his name?)are disappointing. Also that fact that he was removed from the rotation.

    On a brighter note, SS moved up on Rick Dee’s Weekly top 40 from 35 last week to 28 this week.

  • girlygirl

    I hope that Jim Shearer was just joking (although it would still be a bad joke). From what I’ve seen, he’s always been supportive of Idols in the past — he definitely has said nice things about both Kris and Adam.

  • girlygirl

    Crystal’s single still isn’t showing up on the iTunes chart. Last week it showed up briefly after the video got played on the VH1 countdown. I wasn’t expecting FD to jump way up the chart, since it is getting so little radio play, but I did expect it to at least show back up on the chart because of the video airing this morning.

    SS meanwhile, has gone from #1020 late last night to #502 on the current iTunes chart.

    On the other hand, Crystal’s album got a bump on iTunes. It was at #135 (and in the 600′s somewhere) last night; right now it’s at #103/#463. Live It Up also got a bump, going from the mid-200′s on iTunes last night to #202.

  • steph6449

    GAC Top 20 deleted, old list – thanks Valentin432

    CMT Pure 12-Pack
    #4 Danny, I Will Not Say Goodbye
    #5 Carrie, Mama’s Song

  • Valentin432

    The GAC top 20 countdown page hasn’t been updated but from what I read, Jason Aldean was the guest and DYWS climbed to n°8 (previously n°12) and Jason had some nice things to say about Kelly.

    Waiting to see where Bo and Carrie are in the countdown.

    ETA: Steph6449, that was the countdown before the holliday.

  • Trina

    David took some crap in the press when Crush did better than LO but generally speaking those same people shut up when he outsold Archie in album sales. He didn’t get treated anywhere near as shitty as Lee has.

    I get bloggers and invested Idol fans going on about his sales, but coming from VH1? On air? Sorry that was a low blow. And for what a 20,000 difference in sales? Did they embarass Kris when Adam outsold him by over 100,000? Lee has become a punching bag.

    I wouldn’t expect 19 to get Lee on SNL. That I’m 99% sure has to do more with Lorne Michaels wanting/approving who gets a coveted spot and Lee doesn’t have the buzz..but I’m still irked Lee didn’t even get to present at the AMA’s.

  • Elliegrll

    And for what a 20,000 difference in sales?

    It’s a 9,000 difference.

  • tierbee

    Where is his SNL performance? Where was his AMA performance?

    That’s not standard winner fare. It shouldn’t be expected that he’ll get either.

  • springboard

    There is no trace of SS in the FMQB VH1 playlist any more:

    http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=16025

    It was in the ‘On’ list last week.

  • girlygirl

    SNL and AMA slots are not standard for any Idols. How many Idols who weren’t nominatd for AMAs have performed on the show — Adam, obviously, but anyone else? And how many Idols have been on SNL — David Cook, and who else (I think Kelly and Carrie, right? Anyone else?).

    It does seem a little odd that Lee and Crystal haven’t been showing up at some of these red carpet events or gifting suites, though. If you aren’t actually involved in the show/event (as presenter, nominee or performer) I wonder how hard it is to get invited to some of these things.

  • CindyM

    AMA and SNL aren’t standard, but Lee didn’t even get a NYE slot that’s been customary, a big jingle ball or to even appear at any of the award shows on the red carpet. It’s not like Crystal has eclipsed his sales by some great margin and his single has definitely sold more than FD. I know I shouldn’t, but I feel bad for the guy.

  • Fullmoon

    Did they embarass Kris when Adam outsold him by over 100,000?

    No. Both their sales came out around the same time as the AMAs and Adam became the punching bag for months. Kris fell under the radar while the media spent 3 months on the AMA rather it was good media or bad. The focus was all on Adam. Lee and Crystal are pretty much on the same level at this point. I don’t see Lee doomed. RCA will get him another single and since they spent so little money promoting him they have change to spare. Lee already announce he is touring so obviously they have a plan.

  • tinawina

    What’s happening to Lee right now is not the “fault” of 19M, RCA, Crystal or her fans, Lee or his fans, Vh1, the media, ITunes, etc IMO. Lee had really low sales and now he’s getting the business. That is how it always works. The media and other interested parties will relentlessly compare the contestants in every possible way after their records come out. A meme gets set pretty early and the only way to break out of it is to do the opposite of whatever theme was set over time.

    I do feel sorry for him in the sense that everyone is all over his ass and that can’t be fun, especially when we really don’t know how this will end. But on the other hand, he’ll be fine. He will continue to make a living in entertainment somehow.

    Nothing is owed to these Idol people, at least not to me. 19M and RCA can be brutal and unfair, but hello.. that’s the record business. The whole thing operates that way. He did win the title and he did get to perform on the #1 TV show in the world for weeks, and he did get to tour. After that, they all have to navigate some pretty treacherous waters in order to capitalize as best they can.

    I want him to get as many benefits as he can out of his year in the sun. Its not likely to get any better in terms of attention and activity than it is right now. I hope he gets to go out and make contacts and tour so he can make new fans. I hope he can get his songs on the radio as much as possible, and meet as many radio people as he can. Then, when his year is over and the next person releases, I hope he’s in a position to continue his career in some way. That’s all they are entitled to really… a year to make their case. After that they have to build on that to find a way to continue on.

  • aa618892

    Hey, talk to Adam fans. When Adam lost he was called a loser, poser, radio will never play him, he belongs on Broadway, he’s not a real artist. After the AMA, he got slammed by everyone and some from the media for months and Jim shearer threw his digs in there to. It was rough for months. They all get it.

    Isn’t this the truth! Adam has been brutally slammed since Idol for one thing or another. Ya gotta have a thick skin on the blogs, Lee fans! Only now that Adam’s successes have been piling up are things calming down a bit but it sure was rough for a while. This includes Jim S at VH1. He had a couple snarky things to say about Adam but now VH1 loves him, go figure.

  • Trina

    Clay was also on SNL at the height of his popularity. A while back RCAED posted on DaughtryOfficial about SNL and how hard it is to get booked on there (this was around the time David was announced as a MG and shit hit the fan there) ED made it sound like RCA had to push but there were other factors involved.

    A 9,000 difference in sales makes the mention even more stupid.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Lee fans are slamming VH1 & VH1Top20 twitter accounts demanding an explaination on why SS is no longer on the voting list. VH1 should be used to it by now from idol fans.

  • loly

    ss is 461 on itunes right now and it is number 28 on rick dees countdown and it is gianing spins on hac chart slowly but surely,it should get an add from the boston station on monday so the song is defentily not dead so i don’t understand why vh1 countdown removed the video ,it is really odd ,i think the song can be a hit if more big stations play it .

  • springboard

    I think that pay for play is legal for videos, and may be RCA doesn’t think that it is money well spent, and will switch to other means of promoting SS…may be…
    What is likely is that considering the sales, the promo budget won’t be through the roof, so are either trying to use it wisely or they are pulling it altogether.

  • steph6449

    Is the VH1 countdown strictly fanvoted? Or is it like CMT Top 20, which has a fan voting page but seems to make decisions based more on radio play, music sales, artist stature, and other mysterious factors.

  • mmb

    ^^ not strictly fan voted.

  • Indigobunting

    It is a good point that neither Lee or Crystal would trade their position for where they were at pre-Idol. I know Danny Gokey, who received an extreme amount of personal internet bashing (it was more personally character related than talent/sales related like Lee’s is) during Idol credits the whole Idol experience for “giving him a new chance at life”.

    But I feel irritated on Lee fan’s behalf also. It was not professional of the VH1 guy to say that; very childish, IMO. And not accurate; it is not like Crystal is outselling Lee by that much anyway. I prefer her music to Lee’s, but she is not setting the world on fire for the VH1 guy to compare and contrast like that.

    Hopefully Lee will take the heat and channel it to say “I’ll show all of you”. Lol.

  • ladymadonna

    Were it not for that confounding CHR adds date, Sweet Serendipity being yanked from VH1 would definitely be an indicator that they’re planning a quick release of a new single. It’s weird though, because the song is certainly not dead on HAC at this point, and if they have their eye on CHR they would be pushing hard to keep it front of mind by any means necessary. VH1 would be an important part of the strategy to try to cross over to CHR at this late date.

    Gotta think we’re going to see that CHR adds date disappear, and then maybe they’ll start working a new single that Lee can perform early in the Idol season. Maybe?

    Curiouser and curiouser.

  • loly

    springboard ,the song postion on itunes has doubled from 1024 to 461 after it is played on vh1 so the airplay affects the song sales ,if the song gets more airplay from the big hac and some airplay on the top40 stations ,it will be a decent hit ,i have seen songs that the same vibe of ss that became hit on hac and top 40 like the rythm of love by plain white’ts ,it is a wrong move if RCA pulled it because of budget since lee budget is already very low ,he hasn’t gotten half the promotion that the other winners got spiecally on radio and it is wrong to release another single while ss is still gaining spins ,they should wait until ss peak on the charts unless they have seen negative reaction from the PDS on the top 40 stations ,it is all a mess right now

  • Landmd

    I view the comment made by Jim (whatshisnameagain?) as having no respect for any artist that shows up on their countdown. They stopped being a music channel years ago. I remember watching them all day, now its rare that I turn that channel on and see any music video’s at all.

  • gangreen29

    nvm I skimmed the post wrong the first time.

  • luly

    Not sure if this is the right thread to ask this, but did the interview that Kris did with Rick Dee has aired?

  • songsungblue

    I do feel for Lee, because I’d be crying every morning if I had to put up with what he does. On the other hand, I didn’t go on AI. It’s to be expected. The media, she is a hungry beast. She must be fed. :)

    IMHO, the issue is not the 10K more in sales [although to be fair, it's happened over half the time], the issue is that Crystal is getting far better press. Her buzz is better. That’s my perception. And given her video, I have a feeling she’ll be praised for her acting.

    Lee just doesn’t have the pop star feel to me, and his marketing feels off somehow. SS? It’s not a very good song, and it’s so lightweight. I hope they rethink his career a bit, and do some re-tooling. Maybe they are, and that’s why the video was yanked.

  • lovingadam

    Yes, it was very hard, as an adam fan, read all the things they wrote about him, fortunately, over time, things improved =)

    Isn’t this the truth! Adam has been brutally slammed since Idol for one thing or another. Ya gotta have a thick skin on the blogs, Lee fans! Only now that Adam’s successes have been piling up are things calming down a bit but it sure was rough for a while. This includes Jim S at VH1. He had a couple snarky things to say about Adam but now VH1 loves him, go figure.

  • girlygirl

    is there a set # of spins a song needs to get in a week to get an automatic add from a radio station? Or does it vary from station to station or market to market?

    For instance, FD has 7 spins so far this week from Hot AC station in Dayton, while SS has gotten 9 spins from Hot AC station in Boston and 6 spins from Hot AC station in Dallas.

    Does that guarantee them automatic adds from those stations?

  • girlygirl

    I feel bad for Lee, but he hasn’t been bashed nearly as hard as Taylor or Kris have. Compared to them, he’s gotten off relatively lightly — at least so far. No one is screaming about homophobia and/or voter fraud, for one thing. He’s being ignored by the media more than he is being bashed. But I guess that’s a whole separate problem for Lee to worry about.

  • tierbee

    While I think that certainly all the Idols are in a better place music-career-wise after they win, I still feel bad for Lee who is the current punching bag of choice. He should call Taylor… Holy cow did that guy get some bile directed at him. Still does.

  • gangreen29

    Every contestant is personally responsible for getting people to vote for them, both Lee and Crystal did that more than the others, and in the end, Lee was better at it than Crystal.

    You are acting like the contest is in some vacuum, where there are no biased voters willing to vote for a certain contestant because of their physical anatomy lol. That simply isn’t true. To act like Lee and Crystal were on equal footing is a bit silly to me.

  • Fullmoon

    Voters vote for and against something all the time. It’s when it’s time to put their money were their vote counts do you get the real picture.

  • luly

    girlygirl- it depends if the station is an auto-adder and it also depends on the format. On HAC, a song will get an auto-add after 7 spins if the station is an auto-adder. If the station isn’t, they can chose not to add the song even if it got 50 spins a week.

  • plays strings

    Lee just doesn’t have the pop star feel to me, and his marketing feels off somehow. SS? It’s not a very good song, and it’s so lightweight. I hope they rethink his career a bit, and do some re-tooling. Maybe they are, and that’s why the video was yanked.

    This to me seems to be a pretty accurate picture. I just don’t get a “pop star” vibe from him. Just a nice guy that sings well.. right now.
    The right song could change that in a hurry IMO.

  • car

    The bottom line to me is, it does not really matter what the media thinks about your win. David Cook pretty much shut everyone down when he put up the numbers. He did not cry about the media thinking Archie should have won. He just went out and kicked A–. The media goes after all of them at some point even the runner ups. They all have burdens in different ways. But you do what you can to try to change the perception they have of you. And you do that with your music and your performances. If you have something to sell that they want to buy they will come around. To be honest, I thought Lee’s fans had been dealing pretty well with the aftermath. His team needs to push ahead and try to get interest for him and not worry about what Crystal is doing.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    At this point, with only a 9,000 difference in CD sales (and both total sales figures being weak), it’s highly premature for anyone to claim that Crystal has “beaten” Lee post-AI. Putting her in the same category as Clay, Daughtry, and Adam is ridiculous.

  • poster

    I think Lee and Crystal are taking the fall for Idol being pathetic last year…and not because of the contestants, either. The media bashing of the S9 contestants takes a lot of heat off Idol, who did a crappy job. They didn’t renew Paula, the chemistry with Ellen was never there, Simon was checked out and the feeble attempts he and Ryan made at chemistry were extremely awkward, and Kara was never any good. Ricky Minor was checking out, and even the label that had been with the franchise from the beginning was done. (You know this just didn’t happen “suddenly” at the end of the season.) The contestants were talented, but they seemed to get very little direction and were an afterthought. It wasn’t the fault of the contestants, particularly not Lee and Crystal. I personally think they have tons of talent, just a case of wrong place at the wrong time.

  • tinawina

    The bottom line to me is, it does not really matter what the media thinks about your win. David Cook pretty much shut everyone down when he put up the numbers. He did not cry about the media thinking Archie should have won. He just went out and kicked A–. The media goes after all of them at some point even the runner ups. They all have burdens in different ways. But you do what you can to try to change the perception they have of you.

    Cook actually had a lot of media love as the “right” winner (with a few exceptions), his bad press didn’t start until selling season started. But I totally agree with everything else you said. Bad press can cloud the market perception of you, but hot songs and good performances can turn that around every time. And even when the press is pounding you, it still brings you attention and you can still gain fans while people are looking to see what all the fuss is about.

    I think its the nature of fandom to concentrate of what your favorite is not getting instead of what your favorite does get. That’s pretty much why some members of every single fanbase can recite from memory why their Idol is the most slighted, most unfairly treated, most hated Idol EVER. LOL. But in the end, their songs will click with someone, they will have a career somewhere. Its just a matter of how big. Lee will be okay in the end.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think Lee and Crystal are taking the fall for Idol being pathetic last year…and not because of the contestants, either.

    Sorry, I disagree. Ultimately, it’s the contestants who make or break any year’s Idol competition. If there is at least a couple of great contestants, people who give their all to give “wow” performances as often as they can, people who (at least) give the impression of loving to perform and wanting to entertain people, then all of the other stuff: the judges chemistry (or lack of), band, Ryan, lack of direction, etc. just becomes background noise. Last year, I got the feeling that so many of the contestants were so scared that just getting through a performance without vomitting was considered an achievement, let alone giving the audience the impression that they were having a good time and wanted to entertain people. I think that Alex Lambert even talked about feeling like vomitting (oh joy!), and I often felt that Lee looked like he felt that way too. It’s no fun for the audience to know that the performers are so scared shitless and it’s all they can to to wobble through their performance without passing out and then look relieved.

    ETA: Sorry, Lee fans, but could he have looked more bored and like he didn’t give a crap during this group performance on GMA?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFiibKfPuv4

  • Trina

    I agree car. But in all honesty it does help when you have full support of your management and label behind you. David’s talent and his work ethic I’m sure played a huge, huge part in his big sales..but compare his rollout and promo to what Lee got and its kind of laughable. Even when his win was questioned he had Simon Fuller go to bat for him in Rolling Stone defending him. I’m not convinced Lee has that on his side right now. I wish Lee would get out more and get himself noticed, go to some events and such, raise his head high. I would think that much he can do on his own.

  • MonochromaticFriend

    I dunno, I’ve been optimistic about SS because of the spin gain on HAC, but the removal from the VH1 top20 and their playlist in general seems like a sign that RCA will no longer be supporting the single. I’d like to believe that they’ll choose another one, because I think BLY is the most radio-friendly song on the album, but I’m worried about the remarks from the VH1 guy. I think there are the easy and glib remarks media types can make because everyone else is making them (which encompasses most of the Crystal vs. Lee meme)…then there are the easy and glib remarks people in the know can make because an artist’s big gun (i.e., their label support) has disappeared. I hope it’s the former in this case.

    ETA: the “Crystal outselling Lee” press has been good for her and good for her sales, I’d imagine. If I was her manager, I’d make sure that that idea was kept in circulation. And for all that the numbers between the two are small now, the final sales differential will be more in the neighborhood of 50-100k. Unless Lee has a single that takes off. Crystal single….eh…I have a serious doubts about FD’s success on mainstream radio, if only because I listen to HAC a lot and I have a hard time seeing it do well there.

  • revolution

    Lets get real here…Lee did not put out a good album…That is why his sales are down. Its just like Idol, even when Lee wasn’t good the girls screamed and voted. Now that hes in the big time his fans voting hundreds of times is not enough.

    When Lee figures out who he is and puts out a decent album, I will buy his record.

    I have been a musician for 30 years, played with some who made it and some who didn’t. Lee has a good tone in his voice but still has a long way to go. He needs a good rock producer to draw the soul out of him, the pop producers rca had him work with are hacks.

  • tinawina

    David’s talent and his work ethic I’m sure played a huge, huge part in his big sales..but compare his rollout and promo to what Lee got and its kind of laughable.

    The thing is, that’s all part of the game to me. You are not just playing to win the most votes, you are playing to win over the media, the industry, a label, the enthusiasm of 19M, to get a large loyal active fanbase… winning doesn’t automatically grant you all those things. Another contestant can beat you out on any of those. None of that is guaranteed to you by virtue of winning IMO.

    I think you have to take what you did get and work it as hard as you can. Alison won some media love as well as some label and 19M interest. She took it and tried to work it, and apparently still is. I could name 20 other people who only won part of the game but worked what they got. That’s what Lee has to do, I agree with you. He needs to work what he did get as much as he can.

  • larc

    adymadonna:
    Gotta think we’re going to see that CHR adds date disappear, and then maybe they’ll start working a new single that Lee can perform early in the Idol season. Maybe?

    I think you could be onto something! SS may not be dead on HAC as you say, but it’s not getting enough added spins to command its own position. It’s pretty much dependent on what songs positioned around it do. If something ahead of it drops or goes recurrent, SS moves up a notch. If something passes it going up, it drops back. As it is, there are a couple below it that are moving up fast and a half dozen immediately ahead that have greater gains than SS.

  • girlygirl

    yup — the CHR add date for SS is no longer on FMQB

    http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=16691

  • Andy11

    I agree that the VH1 comment was uncalled for–it wasn’t even that funny either. I do think the Season 9 “bad contestants” thing is overdone. I’ve been watching since Bo/Carrie consistently and there have been plenty of lackluster finalists. I think Simon was on his way out and basically dialed it in (or did things to actively sabotage it), and the Kara and Ellen thing was bad and Ryan was weird. Anyway, I’m sure that they will be contrasting “recent seasons” (read season 9) and its supposedly uninteresting contestants with what they will be describing as this wonderful Season 10 reboot.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Lets get real here…Lee did not put out a good album…That is why his sales are down.

    Both Lee and Crystal did not put out good albums. Crystal’s album is a little better than Lee’s, but there is not much of a difference. Both albums have their good and bad points.

    And their sales are down because they both failed to get a big Idol fanbase.

  • Hazehel

    Lets get real here…Lee did not put out a good album…That is why his sales are down.

    That is just nonsense. The early sales are indication of his fan base, very little to do with whether the album is good or not.

    At this point, with only a 9,000 difference in CD sales (and both total sales figures being weak), it’s highly premature for anyone to claim that Crystal has “beaten” Lee post-AI. Putting her in the same category as Clay, Daughtry, and Adam is ridiculous.

    I try to avoid to saying anything when Crystal’s fans are crowing about how well she is doing. There isn’t too much to celebrate for either of them, but if Crystal’s fans are happy with their minor triumph, then let them celebrate. It’s such a small lead that Lee might get a few bumps in sales with Idol starting and do better later, perhaps retaking the lead, then Lee’s fans will have something to cheer about. Whatever that makes them happy in such unhappy circumstances.

  • MrDuffin

    Crystal has zero to do with how Lee does in the future. As for her future I think it is very bright. She put out a great CD with great songs and when folks hear it they like it and buy it. It is a slow process but eventually she will prevail….I have no doubt.

  • car

    tinawina, I agree 100%. The last thing an artist needs is to be sitting here a year or two from now complaining about what they did not get. Idol cannot give you the blessings of your label or the media. They give you the opportunity and you have to work on it. If Crystal’s team works harder for her to be and to look successful nobody is going to care. They are going to look at the results and report accordingly.

  • luly

    girlygirl- Are you sure that it was posted on FMQB before and not just on AllAccess(where it is sitll posted)?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    It is a slow process but eventually she will prevail….I have no doubt.

    What do you mean by the bolded statement?

  • MonochromaticFriend

    Thanks for checking that add date, girlygirl. I guess as a Lee fan, I’ll just have to wait and see whether RCA is going to release another single or “release another single”, ala Allison Iraheta.

  • MrDuffin

    fuzzywuzzy:
    01/15/2011 at 2:47 pm
    It is a slow process but eventually she will prevail….I have no doubt.

    What do you mean by the bolded statement?

    She will succeed and beat the odds. Nothing cryptic or cyincal…sorry!

  • girlygirl

    luly

    thanks for the info. I always wondered why some songs never got added even when the station spun them 10+ times a week.

    ETA – I remember seeing Lee’s add date on FMQB’s site last week

  • revolution

    If Lee had put out a good album, he would have gotten good reviews, and RCA would be pushing it. Its NOT good.

    Crystal’s is a lot better, all my friends in the music business are very impressed, it may take time for her to shed the idol label, but when she does, the industry will help Crystal, because they see the talent.

    What the industry sees in Lee, is a borderline talent that might not have made it without idol.

    Lee has to sell himself, K’m not sure he has the charisma to do it. Crystal does, she knows how to stay in the limelight.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    She will succeed and beat the odds. Nothing cryptic or cyincal…sorry!

    No need to apologize. :) I’m still not sure what your criteria are for Crystal “succeeding” and “beating the odds”. That was what I was interested in. What is your estimation of her eventual success in sales numbers or did you mean something else?

  • Kitwana

    Trina:
    01/15/2011 at 2:21 pm
    I agree car. But in all honesty it does help when you have full support of your management and label behind you. David’s talent and his work ethic I’m sure played a huge, huge part in his big sales..but compare his rollout and promo to what Lee got and its kind of laughable. Even when his win was questioned he had Simon Fuller go to bat for him in Rolling Stone defending him. I’m not convinced Lee has that on his side right now. I wish Lee would get out more and get himself noticed, go to some events and such, raise his head high. I would think that much he can do on his own.

    I totally agree with this. Yes David Cook and Adam Lambert had good sales and were “hot” at the time they appeared on SNL and the AMA’s. But there were lots of artists at that time who had good sales and were “hot”. I doubt that David and Adam got those much coveted appearances based on CD or single sales or even “buzz” alone. Closing the AMA’s is a pretty big deal. The key is push from managers, the label and PR people and a willingness by these people to push their weight around to get their artist heard. Look at where Katherine McPhee keeps showing up. You can’t tell me that she gets these appearances based on sales or buzz or because shows “must” have her. Someone is pushing for her behind the scenes. For whatever reason, 19M can’t/won’t do this for Lee. Or, if 19M is pushing for Lee, then they are doing a pretty bad job. They could not even get him a New Year’s eve performance on FOX. With any one of these appearances, I suspect that we would not be talking about Lee being outsold by Crystal.

  • springboard

    girlygirl- Are you sure that it was posted on FMQB before and not just on AllAccess(where it is sitll posted)?

    I am not girlygirl, but I seem to remember that, last week, the adds date for SS on POP was only announced on All Access, whereas the adds date for FD on HAC was only announced on FMQB, and I found it odd..

  • Yvonne13

    Could someone confirm if Jim Shearer is the VH1 vee jay from this morning’s broadcast?

  • revolution

    I am not girlygirl, but I seem to remember that, last week, the adds date for SS on POP was only announced on All Access, whereas the adds date for FD on HAC was only announced on FMQB, and I found it odd..

    So there was an add date for Farmer’s Daughter on HAC…i have been watching All Access…Crystal is getting spins on some stations that aren’t reporting an Add, like KFOG, and the Mix in Chicago.

    We will see what happens after next weeks Nashville trip.

  • Hazehel

    it may take time for her to shed the idol label,

    Ah yes, poor Crystal, great talent blighted by association with Idol. She and the show producers should make sure she won’t step on Idol stage again.

  • springboard

    So there was an add date for Farmer’s Daughter on HAC…

    Wait, I am not sure, I may be mixed up with the AAA adds date.

  • CindyM

    According to Pulse, the CHR add date for Sweet Serendipity was announced on All-Access. There’s no note of it being on FMQB at all. They’re pretty good at noting all the add dates.

  • kvwicks13

    Revolution, not all Crystal’s reviews have been glowing so to say that her album is better than Lee’s, of course, your opinion, not mine.

    Also some reviewers liked his album some didn’t. I believe the same for Crystal.

  • CindyM

    Farmer’s Daughter is listed on All-Access with an impact date of 2/21/11 for HAC

    http://www.allaccess.com/hot-modern-ac/future-releases

  • Indigobunting

    Ouch, Fuzzywuzzy, I see what you mean. That GMA performance was really painful- but for all the top 10, IMO, not just Lee.

    The only ones who vaguely looked like they were enjoying it were Siobhan and Big Mike.

    IDK, the only Idol tour I”ve seen is S8, but in their end group performance they had fun and they all seemed to get along. The little impromptu goofing around they did just revealed so much personality. Maybe I just expected S9 to click like that.

  • Cate

    I don’t think Lee’s rush to distance himself from Idol is doing him any service, either. He’s not a great interviewee and the album isn’t very good. Better to gain “cred” with the music, especially since he wrote/co-wrote so much of it.

    He probably didn’t sell much paint either!

  • revolution

    Ah yes, poor Crystal, great talent blighted by association with Idol. She and the show producers should make sure she won’t step on Idol stage again.

    thats not what I meant…Idol is a springboard. What I was getting at is for industry folks who paid their dues, there is a resentment against idol’s. Idols still have to prove they belong before a lot vets accept them, Crystals album moves her in that direction, Lee’s doesn’t.

  • revolution

    Also some reviewers liked his album some didn’t. I believe the same for Crystal.

    Crystal did have some key raving reviews, I did not see that for Lee, I may have missed them.

  • kvwicks13

    Interesting, I didn’t see any rave reviews for Crystal at all. I didn’t see any posted on Mjs. Although to be honest, I wouldn’t be looking.

  • girlygirl

    MrDuffin

    but what do you mean by “she will succeed”? Pretty much every one of the winners or runners-up on Idol has had some level of “success”, depending on your definition of “success”. None of them have had to go back to their old day job, and they are all still working in the music/entertainment business in some shape or form.

  • Indigobunting

    The snippets I heard from Lee’s album didn’t sound bad; I’m just not a fan of his voice, or the single- but the little I heard sounded a lot better than the Blake Lewis and Bo Bice debuts I bought. And their albums sold better didn’t they?

    Both Lee and Crystals albums had mixed reviews, which seem typical for most Idol albums.

    I think the Season itself was just lackluster and TPTB as well as judges put even less effort into it than the contestants. And the media sure picked up on it. And that is reflected in their sales.

  • loly

    i think the this vh1 thing is a bad sign for lee ,i think that RCA and 19 has done bad job promoting him so far and i feel they are not invested in him ,they should have pormote his single wether it is ss or another song on the top 40 stations and make a deal with one of these big stations like they did for the other winners ,i have a gut feeling that they are planning to drop him since RCA is unforgiving label and his album hasn’t sold much but it will be sad for me because i love his album and i think it is full of great songs .

  • Eriko

    Interesting, I didn’t see any rave reviews for Crystal at all. I didn’t see any posted on Mjs. Although to be honest, I wouldn’t be looking.

    2 of 6 on metacritic, say best AI debut. She´s also had some as good or better, that are not part of metacritic.

    http://www.metacritic.com/music/farmers-daughter/critic-reviews

  • Hazehel

    What I was getting at is for industry folks who paid their dues, there is a resentment against idol’s. Idols still have to prove they belong before a lot vets accept them,

    Exactly, and it stands to reason that to stop these people from thinking she is just another Idol manufactured act and associating her with Idol, she should no longer appear on Idol, and I hope her fans will start a campaign stopping her from appearing on Idol stage again.

    Crystals album moves her in that direction, Lee’s doesn’t.

    Towards what direction? By being accepted by Idol haters? Why do you necessarily think that is the direction Lee wants to go to?

  • tinawina

    I do not think it is very helpful to compare Crystal and Lee’s reviews directly. They are in different genres and reviews hold different levels of importance for them. I don’t think Lee’s meh reviews mean as much to his future as a hit HAC song would. I think Crystal really needed good reviews from key people, and her mixed reaction will likely have different consequences for her. Either way I can’t say either really “won” the imaginary contest.

    That said I do think Crystal consistently got kudoos for her voice and general sense she had potential. After that is was hit or miss.

  • revolution

    kvwicks13:
    01/15/2011 at 3:37 pm
    Interesting, I didn’t see any rave reviews for Crystal at all. I didn’t see any posted on Mjs. Although to be honest, I wouldn’t be looking.

    heres a few

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/28/arts/music/28choice.html?scp=1&sq=crystal%20bowersox&st=cse

    http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/dec/29/emfarmers-daughterem-crystal-bowersox/

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1652511/crystal-bowersox-goes-her-own-way-on-farmers-daughter.jhtml

  • girlygirl

    Tinawina

    It may not be helpful but it’s still going to happen because they were on the same season. The reviewers compared Kris and Adam’s albums — and their music isn’t anything alike. They compared the two Davids albums — and again, their musical styles are very different. It’s just what the media (and the public) does.

    As for how important the reviews are, if you are a musician who writes his/her own songs good feedback from industry people and media might be more important that if you are someone who doesn’t write your own music. Not sure if genre has a lot to do with it, although there are definitely genres where it seems more acceptable to not be a songwriter as well as an artist. But no matter what, the more positive buzz you can get from people involved in the music business the better :)

  • CindyM

    Eriko:
    01/15/2011 at 3:47 pm

    2 of 6 on metacritic, say best AI debut. She´s also had some as good or better, that are not part of metacritic.

    And four on metacritic say it isn’t great and gave it mixed reviews. The same number of mixed reviews that Lee got from metacritic. Look, her reviews are better than Lee’s, but like her sales, the difference isn’t at some astonishing level to warrant the “Crystal is a success/Lee is a loser” mentality that some seem to have.

  • kvwicks13

    Again, I wouldn’t say any were rave reviews. The MTV one wasn’t really a review at all. Not saying she didn’t get good reviews, but you make it sound like she blew Lee out of the water and I don’t agree with that.

  • girlygirl

    Mixed reviews are pretty much standard for Idol albums — especially for debut albums. Has any of the ex-Idols gotten across the board raves for the debut CD? I don’t think so. I know Adam got a lot of great reviews, but he also got a few negative ones. Kris’ reviews were very mixed. And so on…

  • revolution

    Your missing the point of the reviews, they see potential for greatness from Crystal, but don’t for Lee..

  • fuzzywuzzy

    2 of 6 on metacritic, say best AI debut

    Which reviews would those be? All I could find was this quote from the Chicago Tribune review:

    It may be a coincidence, but that self-direction goes a long way toward making this among the strongest debuts by an “Idol” singer ever.

    http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2010/12/album-review-crystal-bowersox-farmers-daughter.html

    And this quote from the EW review:

    But if Farmer’s Daughter feels like one of the most genuine Idol-contestant debuts yet, it’s also one of the dullest, with Bowersox hitting every note exactly the way you expect her to.

    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20448021,00.html

    Both of which do NOT say that FD is the “best AI debut”. Please post where any of these reviews said that FD is the “best AI debut”.

  • songsungblue

    Both Lee and Crystal did not put out good albums. Crystal’s album is a little better than Lee’s, but there is not much of a difference. Both albums have their good and bad points.

    I listened to both their albums and I think they were astoundingly different. In some ways the reviews are unfair. Most artists need more time to make Blood on the Tracks, y’know. ;) On the other hand, Crystal’s shows flashes of real brilliance and originality and nearly every critic reacted to that, even if they didn’t love absolutely every note. Lee’s personality didn’t push through the production this time. It happened to Taylor’s album too.

    He does seem to win over people live, so hopefully he’ll tour and pick up speed.

  • Hazehel

    they see potential for greatness from Crystal, but don’t for Lee..

    I couldn’t be bothered to read the reviews, but did they actually said “see potential for greatness for Crystal” or is this another thing you made up just to put a negative spin on Lee? Like you did when you said the reason his sales weren’t good because the album isn’t good?

  • tigervixxxen

    The adds date for SS on CHR and FD on HAC were ONLY ever listed on All Access and they both currently are only listed there.

  • tinawina

    It may not be helpful but it’s still going to happen because they were on the same season.

    Oh, I agree its going to happen anyway. I was just saying if your gonna do it, do it in a way that makes sense. Like, look at how well they are making inroads in their fields, don’t compare everything directly because that doesn’t tell the whole story.

    Not sure if genre has a lot to do with it, although there are definitely genres where it seems more acceptable to not be a songwriter as well as an artist. But no matter what, the more positive buzz you can get from people involved in the music business the better :)

    ITA positive buzz is good no matter what. But in the world of commercial rock, when you look at who is successful at the moment (Train, Daughtry, etc) you are not seeing a sea of gushing reviews. LOL. That’s what I mean when I say I’m not sure how much it matters for Lee. HAC love seems much more important. When you look at successful folk-y/singer-songwriter-y acts (Mumford and Sons, Ray Lamontagne, etc) you see people critics slobber over. That’s all I meant.

  • MonochromaticFriend

    Tinawina: I do not think it is very helpful to compare Crystal and Lee’s reviews directly. They are in different genres and reviews hold different levels of importance for them. I don’t think Lee’s meh reviews mean as much to his future as a hit HAC song would. I think Crystal really needed good reviews from key people, and her mixed reaction will likely have different consequences for her. Either way I can’t say either really “won” the imaginary contest. <— picture this with a block quote. :/

    I really agree with this. And I think this disparity is also reflected in the types of albums they put out. I think LIU was written and put together with the hopes that it would spawn a HAC hit or two. This is not to knock the overall quality of the album (although I like it more, I'd put in on par with both DC's and KA's release). So, basically, it sounds more or less what you expect from someone's with Lee's musical background and stylings, working with a standard group of RCA/19 pop-rock songwriters, trying to write a HAC hit for today's radio.

    FD's, to me, sounds like what happens with a talented-singer songwriter solo writes most of her album without a driving desire for it to be particularly commercial. On top of that, its production is geared to be more mainstream. I think it was written to be more radio-friendly, it might have gotten better reviews. On the flip side, if the production has been more innovative and alt/indie leaning, it might have gotten better reviews. And like all post-idol albums, it would have been a better album given more time.

  • car

    The best reviews come from the public buying your product. If you wrote the material or not the pubic still decides if they like it or if they think it is dull or average or below average. If they like it they buy. If they don’t they pass.

  • Andy11

    I don’t know that any of the professional reviews talked about potential “greatness” for Crystal–I think she’s great, though, if that counts for anything :) Back to the numbers thread–Crystal did get an iTunes bump again today from her video though maybe not as big as last week. I’ve been listening to AAA radio to hear Farmer’s Daughter, which underscores my devotion since I usually listen to stations that play Metallica. So far, I haven’t heard it here (I live in LA). Has anyone heard it on the radio since it was added?

  • Elliegrll

    Your missing the point of the reviews, they see potential for greatness from Crystal, but don’t for Lee..

    “Potential for greatness” might be overstating things. I think a common theme in many of the reviews was that Crystal has a great voice and potential, but people expected more. I don’t think this means a lot to radio PDs or the music buying public. Crystal needs people to hear her music, just like Lee does, and so far, neither is doing a whole lot to get the attention of program directors.

  • MonochromaticFriend

    @tigervixxxen: are you sure the CHR add date for SS was only on All Access? There are conflicting reports about that.

  • Elliegrll

    IMHO, the issue is not the 10K more in sales [although to be fair, it's happened over half the time], the issue is that Crystal is getting far better press. Her buzz is better. That’s my perception. And given her video, I have a feeling she’ll be praised for her acting.

    Lee just doesn’t have the pop star feel to me

    What buzz does Crystal have? I think sometimes it’s hard to see outside of the idol bubble, but if Crystal truly had buzz, her single would being doing a lot better, because people would be buying it even though it’s not getting a lot of airplay.

    You are acting like the contest is in some vacuum, where there are no biased voters willing to vote for a certain contestant because of their physical anatomy lol. That simply isn’t true. To act like Lee and Crystal were on equal footing is a bit silly to me.

    There are some people who weren’t going to vote for Lee because he is male, sings soft rock, too young or too old, chubby, didn’t always sing in tune, and hundreds of other reasons. Voters always have biases, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is on the contestant to convince those who are willing to vote for them to vote, and to vote a lot.

  • Eriko

    And four on metacritic say it isn’t great and gave it mixed reviews. The same number of mixed reviews that Lee got from metacritic.

    True, but not all “mixed” reviews are equal. Thay can be 40, only 1 point from “negative” or 60, only 1 point from “positive” 2 of those mixed are only 1 from positive.

    Both of which do NOT say that FD is the “best AI debut”. Please post where any of these reviews said that FD is the “best AI debut”.

    Sorry, was relying on memory, which I obviously should not :) Guess I had “among the strongest debuts” in mind. Where the other came from, escapes me, but may have been a similar statement, that is, “among” or “one of..” The 80 score from NYT I think is tho the highest they´ve given to an AI debut, but won´t assert it.

    But after seeing some high metacritic scores of some of the albums there, I would never take them seriously for myself. There may be some reviewers I attend to agree with in general, that may be of some help in the future, but that´s about as far as I´d go as far as trusting reviews to help me out.

    MonochromaticFriend
    What you said in your reply to tinawina made good sense to me

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The 80 score from NYT I think is tho the highest they´ve given to an AI debut, but won´t assert it.

    I assume that you have read all of the NYT reviews of Idol debut CDs on metacritic to make this claim? Or are you again relying on memory, which you just claimed that you shouldn’t do?

    But after seeing some high metacritic scores of some of the albums there, I would never take them seriously for myself. There may be some reviewers I attend to agree with in general, that may be of some help in the future, but that´s about as far as I´d go as far as trusting reviews to help me out.

    So you only take the reviews seriously which agree with your opinion? LOL! I remember that Crystal fans were hoping that Slezak would review her CD, since they knew that he was a hopeless fanboy and give it a fantastic review, yet I am sure that if a diehard fan of Lee’s were to give a glowing review of his CD, there would be all kinds of discounting the review because of that bias.

  • Eriko

    I assume that you have read all of the NYT reviews of Idol debut CDs on metacritic to make this claim? Or are you again relying on memory, which you just claimed that you shouldn’t do?

    Wow, take it easy…and read what I say before blowing your horn. I´ll bold what should have answered your question.

    The 80 score from NYT I think is tho the highest they´ve given to an AI debut, but won´t assert it.

  • Eriko

    So you only take the reviews seriously which agree with your opinion?

    You don´t read very well, or maybe choose not too. I was saying after seeing some of the metacritic scores, they don´t mean much to me for ANY artist. In other words, I´d never use them for future purposes.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Wow, take it easy…and read what I say before blowing your horn. I´ll bold what should have answered you question. I read a few of them,

    I’m not “blowing my horn” at all, so I don’t know what you mean. Thank you for responding that you have only read a few reviews. So, of the few that you have read, 80 is the highest. That’s quite different from your statement, that implied a much more thorough and complete knowledge of all the NYT reviews given to all Idol debut CDs.

    You don´t read very well, or maybe choose not too. I was saying after seeing some of the metacritic scores, they don´t mean much to me for ANY artist. In other words, I´d never use them for future purposes.

    I read very well thank you, although perhaps your writing skills could use a little improvement. Oh, so you say that Crystal’s reviews, both positive and negative, don’t mean much to you? So, you don’t put much stock in reviews, yet use reviews to promote and validate the artist of your choice? OK. LOL!

  • MrDuffin

    Success and failure is in the eye of the beholder. If you like something and it does well you are happy. If you don’t like sometime no matter how good it is it will never be good enough. Me as a supporter of Crystal have no more insight as to what her future holds than the nay-sayers do. But I am just as right as the nay-sayers are and the facts speak for themselves no matter how you present them they are the same. I have only voted for two people on AI and that is Crystal and Adam. The rest I could not tell you what they have done and really don’t care. Folks have asked me by name for more info so I felt it was appropriate to respond.

  • Elliegrll

    tinawina:
    The thing is, that’s all part of the game to me. You are not just playing to win the most votes, you are playing to win over the media, the industry, a label, the enthusiasm of 19M, to get a large loyal active fanbase… winning doesn’t automatically grant you all those things. Another contestant can beat you out on any of those. None of that is guaranteed to you by virtue of winning IMO.

    This is a great post. I also agree with your earlier post about how some hit songs will change people’s minds very fast.

    This reminds me of Jason Castro saying he was surprised that 19 didn’t sign him, but I don’t see how he could have been shocked, since even though he was a fan favorite, he gave up at the end of the season. Why would Simon Fuller, or any other label exec. put a lot of effort into him after seeing that he didn’t care enough about his image or career to continue working hard for just a few more weeks.

    I’ve said this about Kris too, Lee has the chance to dictate how people see him. He needs to get out and promote himself, and show that he is proud of his work. He also needs to show how much making music means to him. There will be some interviewers who will try to make the conversation be about AI or Crystal, but he needs to learn how to artfully put the focus back on him and his music.

  • tigervixxxen

    Are you sure the CHR add date for SS was only on All Access? There are conflicting reports about that.

    Yes, I’m 100% sure about that. I’ve been checking both sites daily. So everyone will just have to wait 10 more days to declare SS a complete failure.

  • Eriko

    I read very well thank you, although perhaps your writing skills could use a little improvement. Oh, so you say that Crystal’s reviews, both positive and negative, don’t mean much to you? So, you don’t put much stock in reviews, yet use reviews to promote and validate the artist of your choice? OK. LOL!

    I´m sure my writing skills could use improvement, at least in English, since it´s not my native language. I only recently looked at metacritic scores for various albums. After that, positive or negative reviews, for Crystal, Lee or anyone else, I won´t take seriously, or to validate or promote. I´m glad I made you LOL…I think you needed a good laugh

  • Tess

    Very interesting discussion today and it brings home to me that my thoughts about recording Artists needing to sell themselves as well as their music is in fact reality. I would hazard a guess that just as many people buy a CD because they really like or are intrigued by the person singing as there are people who just buy because they like the sound.

    I think it is vitally important that when a person enters the music biz they need to sell themselves as well as sing good. Without great enthusiasm and a willingness to “put themselves out there” a singer is only doing half a job, in my opinion. They almost need to be “on” 24/7. And for me, the season 9 idols just didn’t up their game while on the show, during the tour, or even now as they are marketing their albums. Crystal has been doing much better than she did on the show..but, for me, Lee is still floundering in his self-presentation.

  • girlygirl

    Hmm…I don’t know — I definitely remember seeing the CHR add date for Sweet Serendipity on FMQB last week. It was right next to the listing for Kimberly Caldwell’s new single.

    I’ve been looking a lot (but not every day) hoping against hope for an add date on CHR or Hot AC for AWM…

    But whatever…I guess we will find out for sure come January 25

  • car3278sweet

    Lee’s not a great interviewee.

    He needs to get out and promote himself, and show that he is proud of his work. He also needs to show how much making music means to him. There will be some interviewers who will try to make the conversation be about AI or Crystal, but he needs to learn how to artfully put the focus back on him and his music.

    This is what troubles me for Lee. I wasn’t his ardent fan when I watched the show – or went to the concert – but I did think he had a distinctive voice and potential as a radio presence. I’ve listened to his entire record and decided not to buy. Some tunes were good, but it seemed over produced to me. I missed his rasp. Too much auto-tune. And also – it didn’t fit Lee. He strikes me as a soulful, raspy, angsty singer. I’m rather surprised they are marketing him as a “sunshine, skipping down the road” kind of singer. That’s a hard sell, IMHO.

    And this comes to my point (finally, everyone says). He and his team are trying to market him one way, he strikes most people another way. If he’s going to sing perky songs – he needs to give perky interviews. Again, IMHO. But instead, consistently (and yes, I’ve watched many) he strikes me as bored, sleepy or a combination of the two. The only interview I ever saw him upbeat in was Larry King. Most times, he’s got his hoody on, or a beanie. Inevitably, he looks like he just rolled out of bed. A good look for some guys. Not Lee.

    I guess I put this lack of success at Lee’s doorstep. He just seems totally uninterested in marketing himself. He thinks just strumming the guitar and singing is going to make him big. I think he’s wrong.

    And I don’t compare him to Crystal at all. They are not competing anymore. Each of them have to find their own way.

  • songsungblue

    Crystal has been doing much better than she did on the show..but, for me, Lee is still floundering in his self-presentation.

    This. That’s all I was trying to say about buzz – but you know, when I think about it – Crystal does seem to have more. I think the secret weapon is Gina Orr. Like the CNN interview she just did. Just as an example, I googled Lee right now and clicked on news. What comes up is a lot of CRYSTAL OUT SELLS HIM! and a D review from a college paper. He needs to make some noise that will steer public perception away from that landmine. This is just MHO, of course.

    Lee needs some media help. He needs to learn how to interview without rambling. You have to make the press interested.

  • Elliegrll

    This. That’s all I was trying to say about buzz – but you know, when I think about it – Crystal does seem to have more. I think the secret weapon is Gina Orr. Like the CNN interview she just did. Just as an example, I googled Lee right now and clicked on news. What comes up is a lot of CRYSTAL OUT SELLS HIM! and a D review from a college paper. He needs to make some noise that will steer public perception away from that landmine. This is just MHO, of course.

    Crystal may have a few more media appearances, but that’s different from buzz. I don’t think either of them have any real buzz, or mainstream name recognition, and for the most part, Crystal’s media appearances haven’t exactly been high profile. Not that every appearance needs to be in front of a big audience, exposure has a cumulative effect, I’m just saying that’s she hasn’t been out there more than Lee.

  • songsungblue

    I would disagree with you, Elliegirl – but since buzz is perception, there’s little way for me to prove anything. She may not have MORE appearances than Lee, but those she’s had have generated a lot of press and good will. She hit #1 trending on yahoo last week. I don’t think Lee’s done that since he won.

    But this is just to prove my point. It doesn’t really matter because I don’t think what’s happening with Lee has anything to do with Crystal, except that the media is rubbing his nose in her ‘beating’ him. What does matter is that Lee takes off the hoodie, gets into better shape, gets out on tour, and lets the world know that he’s out there. None of them are starving after winning AI, true. But what will happen after season 10? What if they manage to produce another Britney/Bieber? He needs some momentum and he needs it fast.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Has Lee had a live public performance in the last month? To me that speaks volumes to one of his biggest issues, visibility. He did not do the Miamia Tailgate because he was unavailable but he was home. It just seems odd that Lee has this much time off. I would have thought his team would at least setup some gigs in his home area so he would not be sitting idle.

  • koshka

    I would have thought his team would at least setup some gigs in his home area so he would not be sitting idle.

    The same ol’ discussion point. You can try and set it up, but if no one is interested, you can’t book the gig. Thats not to say that every opportunity is this situation. It stands to reason that some of them would be.

  • kvwicks13

    SSB, Lee has trended at #1 on Yahoo, and I think its a bit much to criticize Lee on his hoodies. He wore alot of those at the more casual acoustic concerts. Usually he has a jacket on. I’ve seen Crystal at a few concerts, specifically the Melissa E. one with no make up and to be honest looked like crap. Or in a plaid shirt looking like a farmer. She’s not exactly fashionista of the year!

  • ladymadonna

    Has Lee had a live public performance in the last month? To me that speaks volumes to one of his biggest issues, visibility. He did not do the Miamia Tailgate because he was unavailable but he was home. It just seems odd that Lee has this much time off. I would have thought his team would at least setup some gigs in his home area so he would not be sitting idle.

    I don’t know – I guess I don’t remember January ever being a huge month in terms of Idol winner promo. Generally after the new years gigs things are pretty quiet until it comes time to start touring. I think Cook had Jimmy Kimmel in January ’09, plus a handful of radio interviews. Then he and the band went to Iraq/Kuwait to play for the troops, which got little to no press coverage.

    I’m sure Lee is not just sitting at home on the sofa – we know his team is actively booking colleges and theaters for a tour later this spring, and Idol premieres next week so he’ll be more in the public eye in coming weeks. I’m not saying he doesn’t need more visibility – I certainly think he does. But I don’t think he’s missing out on all kinds of typical January promo.

  • poster

    You can try and set it up, but if no one is interested, you can’t book the gig.

    Koshka, are you saying this about Lee? Do you have examples? What gigs did they try for but no one was interested? I’m just curious..I had not heard this.

    Lee had a lot of gigs the month or so after his CD came out. Crystal did, too. Since then not so much. But I think that’s kind of typical. Most artists promote around the time the album drops, but it slows down after. I think there is a tour in the works, at least from the Twitter messages Lee has put out.

  • Eileen99

    I couldn’t remember what all Kris did last January, but he did have a few events. Here’s his calendar from Sept, ’09 to present.

    http://community.livejournal.com/krisallenmedia/269691.html

    I don’t want to get in the middle of an argument, lol, but I will agree that all Lee can do now is get out there in front of people, have as many appearances as he can book, and perform to the best of his ability. The busier, the better it will be for him.

  • koshka

    Poster it applies to everyone. Folks over the last few weeks have been discussing a lack of radio interviews, tv interviews. Normally RCA and jive would have some bigger station already spinning winner/runner up’s singles. Someone mentioned some sort of sports gig earlier. I’m not seeing the same type of opportunities for the winner or runner up than for s8. Everything seems in slow motion for s9.

    Eta if you want me to talk about an opportunity specifically bypassed then I would say, immediately releasing to chr instead of hac. All I heard about ss upon it’s leak was how alike it was to LLWD. It’s reasonable to think that if it is like this song & there was a strong interest in lee as an artist, they would have released it to chr first or at the sametime. Goes back to my original point, you can try but you can’t MAKE every opportunity happen.

  • tripp_ncwy

    nvm

  • Elliegrll

    It’s reasonable to think that if it is like this song & there was a strong interest in lee as an artist, they would have released it to chr first or at the sametime.

    I think that a release to CHR would have exposed Lee to more people, which is what he needs, but you don’t need to be a music expert to tell that aside from SS, Lee’s album is being aimed straight to HAC, which is probably why RCA was more concerned with getting him established on that format, and not thinking too much with splitting their attention and promotion money between two formats.

    I think an argument can be made for sending the song to both formats at the same time, but I don’t think their failure to do so means that they aren’t interested in promoting Lee.

  • CindyM

    It just seems that RCA isn’t doing as much. I follow RCA promo on twitter, they tweet all the time thanking radio stations for adding Avril’s song. They used to tweet thanking radio stations for adding Adam’s WWFM and IIHY. I haven’t seen one thank you for Lee’s song. You’ll get the once in a while tweet mentioning Lee, usually a retweet of a Lee Fan tweet. That’s not what you see for other RCA artists.

    As far as gigs, neither Lee or Crystal did a New Years Eve gig did they?? Last year Kris and Allison were on the Fox New Years Eve show. Adam was supposed to be on Dick Clark’s before it got pulled because of the AMAs. I remember someone posting here that Lee’s band tweeted they were done until after the New Year in early December. I would have expected that RCA would have worked hard to get WPLJ in New York and KBIG in Los Angeles to add and play Sweet Serendipity, but as of yet, nothing. KBIG is really idol friendly and played both Kris and Adam a lot. So did WPLJ. Those stations are also leaders when it comes to other stations adding. It’s hard to see a reason why RCA didn’t push SS, maybe that is the case, but it does beg the question whether they pushed and got negative response. I wonder if the switch from “Live it Up” was because early feedback from radio wasn’t good so they went with “Sweet Serendipity”.

    I’m not a Lee fan, I’m pretty ambivalent to be honest, but I think he seems like a nice enough guy and right now, I don’t think it’s looking that positive for him. Not sure it looks all that great for Crystal either, but her manager seems to be taking advantage of every opportunity so that may help her.

  • girlygirl

    I don’t understand why RCA didn’t send SS to CHR right away, since one of the reasons they supposedly went with that as the 1st single is because is was more suited for pop radio than LIU or any of the other songs on the album. Sending LLWD to CHR and Hot AC at the same time definitely helped Kris’ sales…

    is there another song on Lee’s album that has the potential to do well on CHR stations?

  • pineappletree

    So SS is not going to CHR at all now?

  • HotHotHot

    I’m not sure releasing Lee’s song to CHR would be useful wih the massive number of high profile pop songs/albums being released this spring – Avril, Gaga, Kelly, Cook, Adam, etc. Spring is gonna be rough!

  • pineappletree

    I thought Adam has pushed his back til the summer. Cook is vague with somewhere from March to May. Basically when they give an official date is when I will believe it. Albums release dates always seem to be pushed back even from the big time artists. With this I don’t see why not release SS to CHR. Is there hints for a new single being released from Lee or something? It just doesn’t look good for Lee at the moment. I say this with unbiased opinion. I am not a fan of anyone from season 9. :)

  • Valentin432

    I know you were all here for hours expecting this, so without further ado here is your GAC top 20:

    #8 (12) Don’t You Wanna Stay (Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson)
    #3 (3) You Take Yourself With You (Bo Bice)
    #1 (2) Mama’s Song (Carrie Underwood)

  • Indigobunting

    I am impressed with how Bo Bice’s fans keep him up there on GAC. It must be them, because his song isn’t doing anything on the charts is it? And the album hasn’t sold much.

    GAC is a once a day voting system , so unless they have figured out how to beat it, it just puzzles me that he stays up there. Unless Carrie fans are voting for him, yet aren’t buying his album.

  • Yvonne13

    I think Lee and Crystal are taking the fall for Idol being pathetic last year…and not because of the contestants, either. The media bashing of the S9 contestants takes a lot of heat off Idol, who did a crappy job. They didn’t renew Paula, the chemistry with Ellen was never there, Simon was checked out and the feeble attempts he and Ryan made at chemistry were extremely awkward, and Kara was never any good. Ricky Minor was checking out, and even the label that had been with the franchise from the beginning was done. (You know this just didn’t happen “suddenly” at the end of the season.) The contestants were talented, but they seemed to get very little direction and were an afterthought. It wasn’t the fault of the contestants, particularly not Lee and Crystal. I personally think they have tons of talent, just a case of wrong place at the wrong time.

    Ah, Poster, I always love coming over here to find you. Thanks for the voice of reason. As for the argument that one person puts out a good album and the other one a bad album, that is usually a matter of personal preference as to whose is good and whose is bad. It’s a war that will never be won.

  • springboard

    I think an argument can be made for sending the song to both formats at the same time, but I don’t think their failure to do so means that they aren’t interested in promoting Lee.

    Not necessarily, I agree, it is a strategy that is used for many HAC leaning songs.
    But we all thought that SS was produced to be POP friendly, and that i was why it was chosen as the lead single.
    The fact that SS was released late and on one format only shows that RCA wasn’t really interested in taking advantage of the Christmas boom.

    And so far, there has been little indication of real interest. It doesn’t mean that there isn’t one, but considering Lee’s sales level, it is likely that it’s not there.

    The Christmas boom is over, and unless SS becomes a smash hit, or any other single for that matter, they won’t generate any substantial sales. And realistically, there is no potential smash in the album, at best a modest hit with a lot of promo.

    I am not saying this as someone would wishes Lee to fail, on the contrary, I was hoping that he would be able to make the most of his idol win. But I can’t help thinking that his situation his bleak now, and the positive aspects hard to find.

    There is little evidence of label support for Crystal either though.

  • MonochromaticFriend

    Thanks, tigervixxxen. I’ve got my fingers crossed for SS.

    springboard: they is no potential smash in the album, at best a modest hit with a lot of promo.

    I don’t agree. BLY has a slow start (they’d have to chop the intro for sure) but to me it sounds like a Snow Patrol version of Use Somebody. The melody is good, the lyrics are generic but a great fit for radio, and there’s plenty of production that could be a fit for HAC and CHR. It’s the only non-cowrite on the album as well, which makes me think it was in serious contention for a single in order for it to be included.

  • smeggingnuts

    Ok I know it wasn’t one of the big Jingle balls but IIRC didn’t Lee do a few xmas shows. One was in Oregon with Kris right? I thought Lee did at least 2 of those.

  • mmb

    I just assumed that RCA released SS to hac first bc they were following the model that daughtry had success with. Release first to hac and when it gets close to or in top ten then cross over to pop. It’s a good model. I don’t think it showed a lack of commitment in lee. I just think they thought the song would do better and move more quickly on hac, which has historically been a very idol friendly format. Not every song that the label tries to push succeeds.

  • Elliegrll

    But we all thought that SS was produced to be POP friendly, and that i was why it was chosen as the lead single.
    The fact that SS was released late and on one format only shows that RCA wasn’t really interested in taking advantage of the Christmas boom.

    There’s no Christmas boom on radio. Last year, LLWD kept getting passed by songs from big name established artists who were releasing albums in November. I remember people kept saying that LLWD had stalled, and that it wasn’t going to do anything on Pop, even though it kept gaining spins, but it didn’t move up the chart very quickly, because the fourth quarter was so competitive.

    RCA could have decided that it was better to wait with CHR, until SS journey up the chart could have been helped by promoting how well it was doing on HAC, and the response that the song was getting from HAC listeners and PDs.

    Ok I know it wasn’t one of the big Jingle balls but IIRC didn’t Lee do a few xmas shows. One was in Oregon with Kris right? I thought Lee did at least 2 of those.

    Lee did a lot of radio shows in December. He did a few for top ten markets in Chicago and Boston, so that would qualify as big to me.

  • kvwicks13

    Yes, he did do alot of acoustic shows in December. There was at least a 2-3 weeks period where he had a show every night.

    He has tweeted that some more promos and radio shows would be coming up in January so hopefully we will see something soon.

  • kvwicks13

    SS is at #38 on AT40 (TOP AC Chart). Moved from #40 to #38.

  • springboard

    Elliegrll, I meant the Christmas boom for sales, as a single with enough airplay helps with album sales.
    Lee already had little buzz, his music needed to be exposed to as many people as possible, and radio play is still one of the most efficient way to do this.

  • Elliegrll

    Elliegrll, I meant the Christmas boom for sales, as a single with enough airplay helps with album sales.
    Lee already had little buzz, his music needed to be exposed to as many people as possible, and radio play is still one of the most efficient way to do this.

    I can agree with this, and it’s why I don’t think it made any sense for Jive to release The Truth, since it never would have gotten any traction on Pop stations. But, I can see RCA looking at how hard it was for LLWD to move up the charts during November and December, when it had to compete with songs from established artists, and thinking that Lee stood a better shot if they could show pop radio Program Directors that the song was already doing well or a hit on HAC. I’m sure that when (if) SS goes for pop adds that RCA will include testimonials from HAC program directors about the positive response that they’ve gotten from listeners.

  • CindyM

    Lee did a lot of radio shows in December. He did a few for top ten markets in Chicago and Boston, so that would qualify as big to me.

    Have those stations added Sweet Serendipity yet? If not, wheres the rest of the push to do so?

  • Valentin432

    nvm

  • poster

    Thanks, Yvonne13.

    And for what it’s worth, my vote would be for Beautiful Like You to be the next single pushed to radio. It’s very radio friendly. I also think it would be a good one for him to perform on Idol this season. JMHO

  • msalbright

    I am impressed with how Bo Bice’s fans keep him up there on GAC. It must be them, because his song isn’t doing anything on the charts is it? And the album hasn’t sold much.

    GAC is a once a day voting system , so unless they have figured out how to beat it, it just puzzles me that he stays up there. Unless Carrie fans are voting for him, yet aren’t buying his album.

    I know it’s hard to believe that Bo Bice could ever get a video on the GAC Top 20 Countdown without his fans figuring out how to spam the voting system or Carrie’s fans helping the poor guy out. Rather insulting I think. Truthfully his fans are amazed that he has stayed in the Top 20 Countdown this long (since late October). We are voting and following the rules. The only answer is that GAC watchers actually like the song and the video. Unfortunately that does not get radio play and radio play increases sales. Bo is targeting a country career. You just might see more of him on the GAC countdown, he plans to release a new single (Different Shades of Blue) and video early this year.

  • steph6449

    The only answer is that GAC watchers actually like the song and the video. Unfortunately that does not get radio play and radio play increases sales. Bo is targeting a country career. You just might see more of him on the GAC countdown, he plans to release a new single (Different Shades of Blue) and video early this year

    His video seems to be in fairly limited rotation on GAC though, to be picking up a large number of casual fans? I watch GAC from time to time and don’t recall that I’ve seen it. Seems to me it is more likely dedicated fan voting keeping him at the top. The Carrie co-fan theory I could see also, I definitely had an impression when Danny’s first video went up last year that he got some help from Carrie voters, and maybe Kellie did also as there was a strong AI bloc that ran for a good while.

    For me, I don’t see anything insulting about that. I vote on countdowns like that for more than just my top fave, if there are other artists I like or particular songs/videos I like.

    I’ve found the GAC countdown interesting, as not even looking at the AI performers, there is often one or more acts on the list that I find hard to explain. Even on the top 50 show, there were a few that were ~interesting choices. Seems to me in some cases there are probably anomalies or someone bypassing the once per ip a day voting rules on behalf of their fave.

  • Indigobunting

    Msalbright:

    I was not dissing Bo; like my post says- I am truly impressed by his fans being able to keep him up there.

    Considering his airplay, sales, etc the ranking is remarkable-do you have any tips for poor Danny fans, lol?! We kept him in the top 10 for a long time with his first song, but for the second single once it fell off the charts we weren’t able to keep him there for as long.

    Bo was my favorite over Carrie that season. I was not being snarky in the least; I just was in awe over the continued high ranking, it seemed a little inexplicable to me.

  • msalbright

    I watch GAC from time to time and don’t recall that I’ve seen it. Seems to me it is more likely dedicated fan voting keeping him at the top.

    Perhaps it is dedicated fans voting but isn’t that how every artist stays on the Top 20 Countdown? “You Take Yourself with You” is getting limited rotation. But it is seen on the weekend whenever the Top 20 show is repeated. I think Danny has done quite well in country music (I saw him open on the main stage at CMA Festival last year) but you know the music industry it’s not an easy business. I understand your hope that he will succeed. Bo’s fans have hung in for a long time hoping for a break for him. Sorry about my insulted statement; you know American Idol fans tend to have a very soft and somewhat protective spot for their favorites. For those that have not seen the video, here is a link.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2hZZPedYvg

  • Indigobunting

    Ms Albright-

    We all do want our fave to succeed. And again; I think it is truly impressive how loyal Bo’s fans have been!

    Some AI fans have short memories and move on quickly to the next season; it is great for Bo that he has a good fan base who hasn’t :)

  • steph6449

    Perhaps it is dedicated fans voting but isn’t that how every artist stays on the Top 20 Countdown? “You Take Yourself with You” is getting limited rotation.

    Yes, definitely makes a difference if they have that. But I think some of the top songs / artists may pick up a lot of casual voters from people who just like voting for the show without being invested in a particular fanbase. Or who are voting for a particular song / video they like at the moment, but may not regularly vote for that artist.

  • girlygirl

    Lee at #24 on published Hot AC chart

    23 23 24 LEE DEWYZE Sweet Serendipity 19/RMG 2010 877 808 69 63 13.7 12.6 +1.1

    and look who’s at #40

    na 40 BRITNEY SPEARS Hold It Against Me Jive/JLG 2011 290 0 290 38 7.6 0.0 +7.6

  • Yvonne13

    And for what it’s worth, my vote would be for Beautiful Like You to be the next single pushed to radio. It’s very radio friendly. I also think it would be a good one for him to perform on Idol this season. JMHO

    JMHO also.