Wednesday Ratings: American Idol Slips from Last Week

Ratings are in from TVByTheNumbers

Fox easily won the night in the adults 18-49 ratings and total viewership, as American Idol slipped 4% to a 4.9 adults 18-49 rating, vs. a 5.1 rating last week. Recent final ratings adjustments are likely to narrow that gap by a tenth of a point.

8:00PM FOX

American Idol (8-10p) 4.9 13 17.03
CBS Survivor: One World 2.9 8 10.56
ABC The Middle 2.6 8 8.49
NBC Whitney 1.5 4 4.13
CW One Tree Hill 0.7 2 1.56

8:30PM

ABC Suburgatory 2.4 6 7.19
NBC Are You There, Chelsea? 1.3 4 3.54

9:00PM

ABC Modern Family 4.8 12 11.68
CBS Criminal Minds 3.1 8 12.50
NBC Rock Center 0.7 2 2.89
CW America’s Next Top Model (premiere) 0.6 1 1.29

9:30PM

ABC Happy Endings 2.8 7 6.18

10:00PM

CBS CSI 2.6 7 11.22
ABC Revenge 2.4 6 7.42
NBC Law & Order: SVU 1.6 4 5.38

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  • Anonymous

    Bummer. I hope there’s buzz about the girls for next week. This talent needs a bigger audience.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

    Stable. I notice that the total viewers are slipping far less than the demo. I feel like the bleeding from Idol this season is mainly from the show’s younger viewers being seduced by the glitz and glam of the Voice. I don’t think the show’s older audience have left Idol at all.

  • Anonymous

    The good news is it’s still doing pretty good numbers for total viewers. It needs help in the the younger demo numbers. I agree with Joseph. I think The Voice is appealing to more younger viewers & took away Idol’s younger demographic. I don’t think the older demographic has stopped watching Idol.

    This could be a blessing. Less of a younger demographic could mean less power voting by tweens & we could have a female winner again. I’m at least hoping this is the case.

  • Anonymous

    At least it’s up in total viewers from last week, and yesterday, but the demo is frustrating. Hopefully the positive reception to the girls and the judges feedback will help. It was getting 6′s in the demo up until last week, so I don’t know what’s going on. I hope it can return to 6. But it gained in total viewers, so that’s good.

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    AI’s problem isn’t its ratings, per se. Most show runners would sell their moms for these ratings. The problem is that the show is no longer buzz-worthy or cool. AI used to be the ‘watercooler’ show. Now, only the hard-core fans are going to discussing the show with their officemates.

  • Anonymous

    Total viewers is up by at least 1 million, but that’s what’s scary.  Younger ad friendly viewers are ignoring the show.  Why shouldn’t they, when the producers give Deandre a song like “Reasons”, cast too many people who have the same style, and don’t seem like they are trying to cater the show to a diverse audience, like they had in the past.  
    Five or six boring weeks outweighs one good show, especially when that show features girls who haven’t been given a lot of screentime, and who all seem to be white and blond.

  • Anonymous

    This could be a blessing. Less of a younger demographic could mean less power voting by tweens & we could have a female winner again. I’m at least hoping this is the case.  

    It’s not a blessing for AI or Fox, since the younger viewers are how they make money.

    Total viewers give shows and networks bragging rights, nothing more.  It’s really not a very good trade off.

    What I’m scared of is that some of these older viewers won’t be willing to vote for someone like Jessica or Joshua, if that happens, it will cause more damage to the show and its image.

  • harvestmoon

    Last week’s Wednesday show was an extremely boring Green Mile episode.  I was expecting ratings significantly higher than last week’s now that we’re into the live performances. 

    Realistically, I don’t think Fox cares about the total viewers, they only care about the people that can make them money, and that’s the 18-49 demo.

  • Hazehel

    I feel like the bleeding from Idol this season is mainly from the show’s younger viewers being seduced by the glitz and glam of the Voice.

    I think The Voice has little to do with the problem with Idol.  Idol’s ratings for the first few episodes were down considerably from last year, that was before The Voice even started.  The problem with the ratings this season has to do with the mistakes made this year by Idol producers, also the lack the buzz-worthy contestants.

    I thought the ratings would be better than Tuesday’s.  That it didn’t happen doesn’t really bode well for coming episodes. It could be a disastrous season, but I am just a touch less pessimistic about this season after the girls’ performance.  The problem with the girls has been that they tend to be too generic and bland, but I think with Elise Testone they have someone who is different and could be a star in the making, someone who has the potential to create buzz.  The singing is less than perfect, but if people want a girl to win, she is the one to get behind.

  • Anonymous

    What makes these ratings not good for Fox is how much they’re paying JLo, Steven, and Ryan. Tens of millions of dollars on them for a show that’s not getting the ratings that warrants that anymore. Expect if they return next year to have a huuuuge paycut.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously, FOX & AI doesn’t want to lose a younger demographic. It does need to have decent young demo numbers. But if a female winner this year will help the show. Many people think only a cute boy can win & no female can ever win again. This male pattern of winners is one of the reasons for people to hate Idol & their voting. IMO a female winner will do a lot of good for the show.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

    I wouldn’t worry, people. The show’s not dead, but make no mistake, there will be a MASSIVE retooling next season. Could be exciting! In the epic match up ofr The Voice vs American Idol. Idol won the first battle (last season), The Voice won the second battle (this season), and let’s see who comes out ahead next season!

  • Anonymous

    I think now what the show needs to do is have more nights like last night-have mostly good performances along with some good constructive criticism. Also maybe have a rotating 4th judge with an A-lister celebrity(like Madonna, Elton John, Lady Gaga, etc) and some idols who fans want to see. I think it’s still possible to rebound back to 6. The Voice is slipping also and will be competing against DWTS, so I think in the end, idol will come out on top. The battle rounds will kill the momentum like last year.

    Either way, idol is still by far the highest rated show on fox, they aren’t pulling the plug anytime soon.

  • Anonymous

    They need a current winner. The last 4 male winners have all been a bit old school in style. This year’s crop isn’t exactly current, sadly.
     
    The Voice has retro artists too, but I’m excited for contestants like Lindsey Pavao who could actually make a good pop record after the show.

  • Valentin432

     Reality tv shows were/are highly interesting for networks because they’re cheaper to produce than scripted shows.

    Idol is probably more expensive to produce than most, but if Fox can’t make profit with high 4s, then I have no idea how they can keep bringing back House, Glee or Fringe.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GED45R7LV4QERBS74RT6INK65I fed

    i’m not so sure that it’s the tweens powervoting that have made the last 4 winners male anyway. 

  • Valentin432

    Of course The Voice had an impact, even if the season 2 didn’t debut before season 11, the entire season 1 run was from midway through season 10 to the beginning of summer.
    Add to that X Factor and other singing related shows and that explains by and large the decrease in  the season premiere.

    As far as last night ratings go, the only positive developpement is that the half hours increase were better than for the boys.

  • Anonymous

     High 4′s are nice, yes. But I’m saying that Ryan, by himself, is making tens of millions of dollars per season of hosting. Not to mention JLo and Steven both got huge raises last year. Maybe when the show was getting 7.0+ in the ratings, that was warranted. Now, not so much.

  • Anonymous

    But if a female can win this year it will help the show

    The show needs more help than just having a female win.  This is like the thought that the ratings would increase because of Scotty’s success.

    I’ll admit that a major issue is the idea that people who aren’t white and male no longer stand a chance, but that problem isn’t going to be solved by having a smaller voting pool, and one that is mainly going to be older females, who are more than likely the main ones who have been voting for the male singers.

    I’m jaded from reading tweets and message board posts from AI fans who are online, and while I know that these people make up a small fraction of the people who vote, I don’t think that an older audience means that there will be a female winner.   It seems to me that that group is going to be more rigid in their voting than younger viewers, and aren’t going to be as willing to vote for someone who is female, or who doesn’t lean more Hot AC.

  • Anonymous

    They still kept the huge $5 million dollar prize on x factor and the judges are still getting payed well, even after their less than stellar ratings. They will just find other ways to save money.

  • larc

    This may be a time that Idol needs to do some “creative” vote counting to make sure the most entertaining contestants get into the finals.  Dull personalities may not be good enough even if they are more talented singers.

  • Anonymous

     I don’t think tweens are the culprits either for the sausagefest of the last 4 seasons. I think it’s the 40+ female vote, honestly. When I see people going “he’s so hoooot” on facebook, it’s usually by the cougar demographic, not the tweens.

  • Valentin432

     Simon Cowell was paid around 50 million dollars for his last few years, I’m pretty sure the whole panel + Ryan makes less than that.

  • Anonymous

    But then she will sell 9,000 copies her first week and be done. Like Ryan said last night, this is the only show that can turn a high school student into a platinum recording artist.

  • Anonymous

     The judges are getting paid far less on X-Factor. All around $2 million. JLo alone I think is making $10 million+.

  • Anonymous

    Next week is the key. I have a feeling it is going to be Whitney week, which might draw in some casual viewers too. If the top 13 is something like Joshua Phillip Colton Jermaine Reed DeAndre Jessica Skylar Jen Elise Erika Hollie Shannon then there is a good amount of variety, personality, and talent for the season to be successful. I do agree that the “buzz” is the most difficult thing to navigate. If the media has latched onto the meme of this season being a failure, they will stick with it just because they are lazy like that, and it will be a cycle that ends up with even lower ratings and then even more backlash.

    ETA and if a woman can’t win this season with how talented, and engaging personality wise they are, then I think it is clear a woman can’t win this show, and maybe it is time to close shop.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not saying that having male winners the past 4 seasons is the ONLY reason for Idol’s declining ratings. There are multiple reasons such as the bad judging, a boring cast of contestants, the increasing number of talent shows, etc. which they need to try to fix, too. The weaknesses of Idol are just much more noticeable since their is more competition out there & the declining ratings.

    I will agree that online comments make me think that a female winner still won’t happen. I’m not sure it will happen this year. But I’m still optimistic that we can still have a female winner. We’ve still had plenty of female contestants get to the top 2 or 3 so it’s not like the whole top 5 the last 4 years have been all male. We just need to find a female contestant that appeals to female voters &/or have a group of bad male contestants one season. It’s a combination of luck, too. I think if Scotty wasn’t here last season, Haley or Lauren would have won.

  • Anonymous

    Do you happen to have those half hour ratings? :)

    Besides the NBC block and Rob, idol will be up against all reruns tonight. Hopefully that will help tonight’s ratings.

  • Valentin432

    I think tonight will be as or more important than the past two nights.

    The wildcard show last year got great ratings and I knew the season was in good shape because people were interested in who was making it through, the best thing about that show was the half hour updates were getting better and better too.

  • harvestmoon

    What makes these ratings not good for Fox is how much they’re paying JLo, Steven, and Ryan. Tens of millions of dollars on them for a show that’s not getting the ratings that warrants that anymore. Expect if they return next year to have a huuuuge pay cut.

    Yes, and I can’t see any of the three of them staying on if it means taking a pay cut.  Ryan has so many other things going on, he no longer needs the show, and Steven and JLo have already gotten the career boost they wanted from it.  (Randy is the exception.  I suspect he is paying them to let him judge, it’s the only rational explanation for why he is still there.)  Maybe that’s why Ryan still hasn’t renegotiated a new contract yet, everyone is sitting on their hands until they see how far this season slides.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

    I’ll remind everyone that our top 3 last year? 2 females and one male. And the male? He was the clear winner since the finals began. Love him or hate him, Scotty was one of the strongest frontrunners since Carrie Underwood. If he had auditioned this year, we’d be talking about him inheriting the crown from Lauren Alaina.

  • Valentin432

    Guy’s night:
    8:00 p.m.
    Viewers: 14.80 million (#1), A18-49: 4.7/13 (#1)
    8:30 p.m.
    Viewers: 16.44 million (#2), A18-49: 5.2/14 (#1)
    9:00 p.m.
    Viewers: 16.19 million (#1), A18-49: 5.1/13 (#1)
    9:30 p.m.
    Viewers: 15.91 million (#1), A18-49: 5.2/12 (#1)

    Girl’s night:
    8:00 p.m.
    Viewers: 15.51 million (#1), A18-49: 4.4/13 (#1)
    8:30 p.m.
    Viewers: 17.48 million (#1), A18-49: 5.0/14 (#1)
    9:00 p.m.
    Viewers: 17.32 million (#1), A18-49: 5.0/13 (#1)
    9:30 p.m.
    Viewers: 17.81 million (#1), A18-49: 5.3/13 (#1)

  • Anonymous

    See, I don’t really get the comments that this is a boring cast. All are talented and most have a great personality. I think a lot of them will continue to get better every week also, which is fun to watch. This was their first night, and I think a lot of them did well for their first night.

  • Anonymous

     I would like to see a completely new panel next year but Ryan stay, and I feel like that is going to happen because they will want interest early in the season. My ideal panel would be Ben Folds, Britney Spears, and Neyo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    I missed last night’s show due to watching the Carolina/Maryland game on ESPN.  I’m going to watch mj’s vids in a minute.  I was curios to see how last night shaped up ratings wise.  It’s the #1 show in the timeslot which is good, but seeing the demo and viewers drop like this could be a bad sign if the erosion continues.  I think there will be some major changes made next year. 

    The fact that the talent overall this year is sort of lackluster doesn’t help along with the same lack of constructive criticism that we saw last year with these same three judges.   

  • Anonymous

    People are going to tune in for the contestants, not the theme.  How are people who are no longer watching the show going to know that next week is about Whitney songs?  

    It might just be me, but I don’t think the producers have done a lot to showcase the ladies’ personalities.  For goodness sake, Ryan pretty much embarrassed one by revealing that her singing was effected by her dress being so tight.  This is nothing new, the producers have focused more on the males, even if they aren’t good singers, for a few years now.

    I think the top 13′s over the past few years have shown us what happens when the voting pool shrinks, and when the voters are no longer a diverse group.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not saying I think they’re boring. I think they’re talented & there’s personalities in this cast. But many of the online comments I’ve seen are this is a boring cast. I’ve also seen many comments how many of the contestants remind them of a past Idol so what’s the point of watching again for a similar type they’ve seen on Idol before. I think there’s no unique contestant this year which is one of the reasons some people find this season boring.

  • Anonymous

    9:30 p.m.
    Viewers: 17.81 million (#1), A18-49: 5.3/13 (#1)
    I glad that the largest audience got to see Jessica.

    See, I don’t really get the comments that this is a boring cast. All are talented and most have a great personality. 

    The problem is how they have been presented up to this point.   For a comparison, season 10 started off down 18% in comparison to season 9, the Green Mile episode was the lowest rated episode at the time that it aired, but the semi final round went up by a lot. It did better than season 9, and helped to erase the deficit created by the premiere.  People got a chance to know a lot of the people in season 10, so they were more invested in the show.

  • Anonymous

    I would normally agree with you about a theme not generating much buzz, but with Whitney’s death being so recent and there not being really a tribute concert or anything besides J Hud singing at the grammys I think it would get a lot of buzz outside the idol bubble.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    Maybe they could have two of the blonde ladies in the final.  Then there would be a female winner

  • Hazehel

    Of course The Voice had an impact, even if the season 2 didn’t debut before season 11, 

    These are the drop in the 18/49 demo compared to Season 10 for shows before The Voice started - 

    Eposide 1 (-24%)
    Episode 2 (-27%)

    skipping episode 3 because that was the one on Sunday 
    Episode 4 (-29%)
    Episode 5 (-28.5%)
    Episode 6 (-33%)
    Episode 7 (-27%)

    The Voice debut.

    Episode 8 (-27%)
    Episode 9 (-20.5%)

    You see that the ratings of Idol weren’t really affect by The Voice’s debut.  The drop now was 33% for the boys semifinal, and perhaps close to 40% for the girls semifinal depending on what the final number may be.  What happens now has little to do with The Voice, but Idol itself.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Anything with a demo rating above say the mid 3s is a hit, which is why I kept saying XF was a solid hit. This show will remain a hit.

    However, this show is on a downward demo spiral and we still don’t know yet where it will stop.

    If this cast can’t sustain attention over the course of the season, we can see some performance eps dip into the mid 4s, possibly low 3s. A lot will depend of 1. who makes it though tonight and 2. what happens at the top 13 debut next week IMO.

    Personally, I like this group a lot after last night, so I think I will be a happy viewer regardless (unless the voting goes completely wonky tonight). All I really want is the ratings to stay high enough that the network won’t totally screw up the show trying to “fix” it. It needs changes, but smart ones.

    I think the statement about Idol no longer being cool is on point. I also agree that this is no longer seen as a show for everyone. I am STILL seeing angry comments online and in real life about the lack of diversity among the girls. That one is sticking big time. And if the voters start slaughtering the girls and the folks of color early like last year, I think that will be a big, big problem. A shocking boot for people like Joshua and Jessica Sanchez is not what this show needs this year, unless either completely melts down on stage for several weeks running.

    Well, on to tonight! Fingers crossed for a good top 13!

  • Anonymous

    “It might just be me, but I don’t think the producers have done a lot to showcase the ladies’ personalities. ”

    Yup.  It’s going to work against the girls in this truncated semi-final format.  Most of these girls are interesting.

    As for the ratings, they need to mix up the format — less audition rounds (with a better balance of joke and good contestants with more critiques and debates) and a longer semi-final rounds (this is where they can better introduce them and help them develop followers/voters).  

    Also, if the judging continues to be thoughtful (except for the Brielle comments -??), it will help the show.  Sad initially, it started with the girls but it will help their performances.  I think viewers want to see growth in their vested favorites.

  • Anonymous

    The three judges don’t have any chemistry. There’s no banter and they don’t even bother to judge. Next season they should find replacements for Steven Tyler and Randy Jackson. Steven Tyler adds nothing and is a waste of space. Randy Jackson tries to be the mean one, replacing Simon, but he has none of Simon’s charm and humor. I would keep JLo because she’s the only one who’s actually doing a decent job. She’s tactful and respectful of the contestants without being offensive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    All the women look like cheerleaders.  There are 7 blondes out of a field of 12.  Not one of them is overweight, black or short hair.  I have never seen so many sequins on a group of people before.  I cannot remember what half of them look like because all I see is long blonde and brown hair. If Carrie Underwood had walked in she wouldn’t have been noticed because she would have blended in with the woodwork. The boys sucked but at least I can tell them apart.  Please Nigel tell me that you could not find one black women who could sing as well as all these models. How about a women with short hair that was a bit overweight. OMG

  • mickeybordentwo

    It’s been a long time since I understood Nielsen ratings (if ever), so I have a few questions made out of ignorance.

    If the 18-49 demographic is 5, is there a way of determining how big the audience not 18-49 is? What do I subtract the 5 from?

    Are people under the age of 18 counted in Nielson ratings? Are those “tweens” showing up in the ratings?

    Is there any easy way of dividing up the 18-49 demographic for a more accurate reading of who’s watching Idol? There’s a huge difference in the shopping power and musical tastes between 22 year olds and 44 year olds.

    Thanks in advance for any answers.

  • Valentin432

    You didn’t adress my objection, this isn’t just about the voce season 2, it’s about the voice season 1 and the glut of singing shows that have aired since then.
    I don’t see how you can argue that had nothing to do with 25% drop at the premiere, that’s the largest drop since the show was launched in ten years, after what is a very successfull season (I would argue that if necessary).
    Somehow this drop just miraculously happen the year after The Voice and the X Factor are launched? I doubt that it’s a coincidence.

     The Voice season 2 is a weekly show, the impact doesn’t stop at the first week after the season premiere.

  • Anonymous

    One more grip…

    Stop dressing the females, especially the 16 year old girls, in prom/pageant dresses. They should be looking like young, cute girls, in age-appropriate clothing, not like 40 year old women.

  • Valentin432

    The girls blending together is a repeated and old criticism  that has been arond for every year I’ve watched any of these shows.
    Carrie Underwood was considered boring by most people on the interwebs while Clay Aiken was the biggest star among the same fans.

    I you’re mixing up Elise, Erika, Hollie or Baylie together, when they’re not the same size, age or genre just because they have the same hair color then I will argue that it’s more an audience problem than a casting problem.

  • Hazehel

    You didn’t adress my objection, this isn’t just about the voce season 2, it’s about the voice season 1 and the glut of singing shows that have aired since then.

    I would agree only as far the idea of the glut of singing shows goes.   I do think The Voice has minimal effect on Idol, it didn’t happened last year when The Voice debuted, and it didn’t happen this year either.
     
    I think the biggest effect on Idol was X-Factor, two big shows which air ~50 hours each is far too much for a single network I think.  I do think the big drop in ratings for Idol before The Voice even started shows that.

  • Anonymous

    All the women look like cheerleaders.

    This is not true.

    There are 7 blondes out of a
    field of 12.

    I don’t think that means anything.

    Not one of them is overweight

      But they aren’t model thin either. There are quite a few of the singers that look like regular folk.

    black

    But they aren’t all white either.

    short hair

      I don’t think that means anything.

    I think The Voices’ hottest women (There is one who is a model and barely a singer) are hotter than any of these Top 24.

  • Anonymous

    I do not think anything but girls’ names blended together.

  • Anonymous

     It also didn’t help that fox allowed Simon to wage an ad campaign against idol all summer and fall long.

  • Anonymous

    I agree.  With the exception of Bailey (but she’s probably a goner) and perhaps Shannon (but she’s so young and athletic), I was pleasantly surprised how “normal” they seemed in terms of weight and looks.  Yeah, they’re all attractive, but not in a goddess-Amazon-model-way — so non-threatening beauty.

    But all these girls can benefit from better styling – yikes some of the dresses and shoes….

  • http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig HaleysShindig

    bah, not gonna rehash this junk. Anyway, yes, the influx of craptastic singing shows in TheVoice and XCraptor have affected the ratings. I know personally I can’t sit through both TheVoice and Idol in the same week, so sticking with Idol this year

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Well if the AUDIENCE, you know the ones the show is supposed to be catering to, can’t tell most of these girls apart it’s the SHOW’s and CONTESTANTS problem.

    If someone is trying to sell me a product, it would behoove them NOT to take the attitude “well it’s not MY fault you’re not getting it.”.  Umm, YES it is, and until they realize that, their ratings will continue to nose dive.

    Nigel might want to take that into consideration instead of calling fans “morons” on a daily basis.

  • http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig HaleysShindig

    Following Nigel during the show last night was interesting. He should be a Judge, at least he can offer critique, sound intelligent and not be overly offensive. 

  • Anonymous

    Well if the AUDIENCE, you know the ones the show is supposed to be
    catering to, can’t tell most of these girls apart it’s the SHOW’s and
    CONTESTANTS problem.

    It isn’t “the audience”, it is a few *select* fans that can’t “tell them apart”.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    LOL! So true. People complain that the cast sucks for various reasons every single year. And the girls always get it the hardest.

    This is an 11 seasons old show that now has to face down 2 newer, viable competitors for the first time while using the same format it has used for the whole 11 seasons. People have other options now so that was bound to have an effect on ratings.

    Honestly I think, as always, it comes down to people finding things to like about the cast, which means the top 12. There are enough people here to get a good variety of styles but it depends on how folks voted. I actually liked that so many people sang current songs over the last 2 nights, even if people bitched about some of them being Adele tracks, so to me that is a step in the right direction. I also want to see what happens when Jimmy gets into the mix.

    The other thing that is happening is that I think people forget that for most years, only 2-3 people were actually “star material” and the rest were just (hopefully) entertaining even if it was in a trainwreck-y way (Thanks Randy!). Right now people seem to get mad when there’s not a cast full of potential superstars, but that has never happened in the history of the show. But oh well.

  • Anonymous

    I also think there are way too many blondes, but put that aside, none of blondes had any spectacular talent, except for Elise.
     
    Mix it up more. They couldn’t find any brunettes that are good singers? Doubt it.

  • Anonymous

    So true, and the 40+ demo (probably mostly female) is the largest percentage (or mean/median) of Idol watchers.

  • Anonymous

    I think these women are far from models mostly regular looking folks. Only knockout beauty wise IMO is Bailey and I think she is a gonna. Other then all the Haley’s,Hollie’s etc I think they are distinct.

  • Anonymous

    Carrie was boring. She was perfect for the American Idol voters, though.

    I’m was mixing all the girls up even though I REALLY WANT the girls to do well this year. There are a lot of blonde white girls. In fact, there are a lot of white girls! (unless you count the fake tans of the country girls LOL) This season also has a group of very attractive girls, before they even start with their make-overs.

    IMO, it’s a combination of having girls that are similar in several ways and Nigel’s idiotic decision to highlight the boys that is contributing to the general
    blending problem for the girls.

    It will get better when we hit the final 13, but Nigel has already placed the girls with a disadvantage going into the competition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Corn/100001659368831 Laura Corn

    Don’t think Randy liked Bailey!  You think!   He came out of left field to be down right mean in his critique.   Considering they were doing a better job of judging, this went way too far.  What’s your problem Randy, you don’t like beautiful blonds?

  • beachammo

    Idol is good but The Voice is better. Especially during auditions………

  • larc

    My ideal panel would be Ben Folds, Britney Spears, and Neyo.

    I agree at least about Ben.  But I would want the other judges to know as much about music and performance as he does.  Britney would be a joke, IMO, that could even become a dirty joke given some of her past actions.  ;)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

    This is, sorry for saying so, dumb. You’re being JUST as particular as you’re accusing the Idol producers of being… They don’t have to fill a quota of black, chunky girls with bowl cuts. They pick who they think were the best competitors.

  • http://twitter.com/wanermania k w

    I have watched Idol for the last 10 years, but no more. I am sick of these 3 judges not critiquing the contestants. I think they all must be tone deaf. I will watch the Voice, much better talent on there anyway.

  • Kylee

    But they did critique the contestants-something that the Voice judges never do. I definitely think idol has the better talent this year when compared to the voice. Some of the popular ones we have seen on the Voice this year would be gutted by the bubble if they were on idol. Most of them wouldn’t have made the top 10 on idol or out of Hollywood.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    Here is an interesting post at tvbythenumbers.

    ‘American Idol’ Ratings In 200 Cities; Have Live Viewers Become The Biggest Fans?

    In the fifth in a series of posts with relative geographic TV market ratings information from the helpful folks at Rentrak, we’ve got a map of the relative TV ratings in 200 markets for Fox’s top rated show American Idol.

    Interestingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, American Idol
    has almost all of its high indexing TV markets in the Eastern and
    Central Time zones where it airs live in the latter part of its season
    (although the period covered by this data had few if any live shows,
    perhaps over the years people who will ultimately see it live have
    become bigger fans). Only three cities in the two highest groupings are
    in non-live markets.

    Amateur geo-ratings analysts have at it!

    American Idol
    STD – 1/18/12-2/16/12 Program Average
    City State  Index to Total US

    Green Bay  WI  180
    Fresno  CA  168
    Milwaukee  WI  164
    Birmingham  AL  162
    Mobile  AL  160
    Memphis  TN  156
    St. Louis  MO  155
    Greensboro  NC  151
    Columbus  GA  148
    Atlanta  GA  146
    South Bend  IN  144
    Kansas City  MO  141
    New Orleans  LA  139
    Detroit  MI  139
    Cleveland  OH  138
    Springfield  MO  138
    Charleston  WV  137
    Dayton  OH  137
    Chattanooga  TN  136
    Dallas  TX  136
    Albany  GA  135
    Madison  WI  132
    Greenwood  MS  131
    Louisville  KY  131
    Joplin  MO  127
    Grand Rapids  MI  125
    La Crosse  WI  124
    Columbus  OH  124
    Charlottesville  VA  124
    Lansing  MI  124
    Charlotte  NC  123
    Jacksonville  FL  122
    Bakersfield  CA  122
    Honolulu  HI  122
    Little Rock  AR  122
    Raleigh  NC  121
    Indianapolis  IN  120
    El Paso  TX  120
    Washington DC  119
    Ottumwa  IA  119
    Flint  MI  117
    Portland  ME  117
    Huntsville  AL  116
    Nashville  TN  115
    Columbia  SC  115
    Florence  SC  115
    Lexington  KY  115
    Minneapolis  MN  115
    Toledo  OH  114
    Hartford  CT  114
    Parkersbrg  WV  114
    Wichita Falls  TX  114
    Tulsa  OK  113
    Missoula  MT  113
    Greenville  SC  113
    Greenville  NC  113
    Cincinnati  OH  113
    Columbus  MS  113
    Quincy  IL  112
    Rochester  NY  111
    Wausau  WI  111
    Macon  GA  111
    Wilmington  NC  111
    Nrth Platte  NE  110
    Harrisburg  PA  110
    Butte  MT  110
    Lubbock  TX  109
    Sacramento  CA  109
    Champaign  IL  109
    Lafayette  LA  109
    Jackson  MS  109
    Savannah  GA  109
    Johnstown  PA  108
    Beaumont  TX  108
    Roanoke  VA  108
    Bangor ME  108
    Wheeling  WV 107
    San Angelo  TX  107
    Grnd Jnctn  CO  107
    Houston  TX  107
    Columbia  MO 107
    Charleston  SC  107
    Topeka  KS  106
    Helena  MT  106
    Erie  PA  106
    Davenport  IA  105
    Salt Lake City  UT  105
    Richmond  VA  105
    Alpena  MI  105
    Oklahoma City  OK  104
    Ft. Smith  AR  104
    Rockford  IL  104
    Terre Haute  IN  104
    Austin  TX  103
    Burlington  VT  103
    San Francisco  CA  103
    Phoenix  AZ  102
    Bend  OR  102
    Youngstown  OH  102
    Knoxville  TN  102
    Tri-Cities  TN  102
    Rapid City  SD  102
    Binghamton  NY  102
    Miami  FL  102
    Portland  OR  101
    Tampa  FL  101
    Monterey  CA  101
    Baton Rouge  LA  101
    Colorado Springs  CO  99
    Peoria  IL  99
    West Palm Beach  FL  99
    Monroe  LA  99
    Augusta  GA  99
    Chico  CA  98
    Sherman  TX  98
    Buffalo NY  98
    Syracuse  NY  98
    Norfolk  VA  98
    Meridian  MS  97
    Dothan  AL  97
    Twin Falls  ID  97
    Yakima WA  97
    Wichita KS 96
    Reno NV 96
    Pittsburgh PA 96
    Wilkes Barre PA 95
    Medford OR 95
    Fargo ND 94
    Des Moines IA 94
    Los Angeles CA 94
    Evansville IN 94
    Traverse City MI 94
    Lima OH 94
    Yuma AZ 94
    Paducah KY 94
    Presque Isle ME 93
    Marquette MI 93
    Sioux City IA 93
    Tallahassee FL 93
    Montgomery AL 93
    Beckley WV 92
    Orlando FL 92
    Harrisonburg VA 92
    Albany NY 92
    Chicago IL 92
    Tyler TX 92
    Watertown NY 92
    Elmira NY 92
    Eugene OR 91
    Las Vegas NV 91
    San Antonio TX 90
    Boise ID 90
    Ft. Myers FL 89
    Spokane WA 89
    Duluth MN 88
    Panama City FL 88
    Alexandria LA 88
    Gainesville FL 88
    Odessa TX 88
    Sioux Falls SD 87
    Bowling Green KY 87
    Great Falls MT 87
    Bismarck ND 87
    Tucson AZ 87
    Ft. Wayne IN 86
    Clarksburg WV 86
    Albuquerque NM 85
    Billings MT 85
    Abilene TX 85
    Fairbanks AK 84
    New York NY 83
    Lincoln NE 83
    Waco TX 83
    Cedar Rapids IA 82
    San Diego CA 82
    Omaha NE 82
    Boston MA 81
    Idaho Falls ID 81
    Shreveport LA 81
    Denver CO 80
    Baltimore MD 80
    Salisbury MD 80
    Seattle WA 79
    Mason City IA 79
    Anchorage AK 78
    Amarillo TX 78
    Jackson TN 77
    Harlingen TX 76
    Mankato MN 75
    Utica NY 75
    Providence RI 75
    Philadelphia PA 72
    Santa Barbara CA 71
    Eureka CA 64
    Corpus Christi TX 62
    Biloxi MS 60
    Palm Springs CA 52
    Laredo TX 37
    Juneau AK 28
    Jonesboro AR 15
    Lafayette IN 6
    Hattiesburg MS 5
    Casper WY 1
    Cheyenne WY 1

  • http://twitter.com/wanermania k w

    The Voice does not have judges. It has mentors or coaches. They are not there to judge. They are the team captains and help them prepare for their performances. They do not critique the performances, that is not their jobs. That is the job of the idol judges though and they do not do their job well at all. They would not have critiqued the girls if Nigel had not made them do so. I see no one in this group of idol contestants that will make it big. Just my opinion.

  • Anonymous

    They do not critique the performances, that is not their jobs.

    Then what do you call the comments of the people who aren’t the person’s mentor after each performance during the live shows? Those aren’t critiques?
    If you are going to criticize idol for something, the voice is just as culpable, be consistent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    of course not because most of them are not blonde models

  • Anonymous

     They did critique the contestants last night and they did a pretty good job!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    And Idol is saying that the only females that fit that bill this year were blonde/brunette models.  I really find that hard to believe.

  • Anonymous

     You must have a strange definition of model if you think skylar, jessica, hollie, erika, elise, jen, brielle, or chelsea fit into that.

  • Kylee

    They do have judges also during the live shows. The “coaches” comment on the other singers who aren’t in their groups-that is judging and they don’t do it. If its not their jobs to critique their performances, then they might as well not allow them to speak after the performances.

  • Anonymous

    The judges have zero chemistry and are not fun to watch (unlike The Voice).
    The fact that the producers couldn’t find one black female to put into the Top 12 is beyond ridiculous.

    I think the ratings are going to stay at this level all season. I don’t think anything about the show is going to attract new viewers unless they bring in exciting mentors. I also suggest a guest judge who actually says something witty. The show is in dire need of some excitement, humor, star quality.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    Here is last night’s final ratings adjustment from tvbythenumbers.

    American Idol was adjusted up a tenth of a ratings point with adults 18-49 vs. Wednesday’s preliminary ratings, while Suburgatory, America’s Next Top Model and Happy Endings were each adjusted down a tenth.

    8:00PM FOX American Idol (8-10p) 5.0 13 17.23

  • Valentin432

    I don’t get this obsession with the black girl demo, there have been many season with no latinos, latinas, asians, etc. and we did not get this type of criticism.
    Just by breaking down the US demographically you can see that AI has a high percentage of black female contestants going far and also winning the show compared to the actual structure of the population.

    That’s even more puzzling when we have three afro american males, who had good performances and have good to long shot to get in the top 13

  • Anonymous

    Has the viewing/ audience percentage drop for this weeks shows vs. last year been posted? It was roughly 30-odd percent last week, just wondering if it’s about the same or higher…

  • Anonymous

    The pop charts in the US are dominated by African American artists and Idol can’t find one black girl to appear in the top 24?  Black females have had a huge impact on POP way beyond their demographic – Aretha, Whitney, Beyonce, Rihanna, etc., etc. etc.

    But they have managed to do a great job of finding blondes whose names sound like Haley. ;) I think S10 Haley may get lost in the shuffle when she does her guest gig.

  • Valentin432

    Yes, there have been a number of great black female in pop music and there have been a ton of really great black female contestants on idol, the fact that people can’t get over the fact that it doesn’t have one for the first time in ten years is perplexing.

    I also don’t get (well maybee I get it but it wouldn’t be PC to say) why there has been so many dismissing remarks towards blondes, if you go back to all the contestants on AI there have been many many more black girls than “blondes” selected and who have made it far and as far as the music industry goes, there have been a lot of great girls with blond hair.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Personally, I haven’t had a problem with the way Idol has been casting women of color lately. I think they’ve put a pretty good mix of girls through to the semis for the last several years. Last year was pretty great in that regard IMO. My beef had been with the treatment of men of color, particularly black ones. So I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt this year when I heard there was only one non-white female.

    That said, this is supposed to be a show that casts something for everyone, so anytime there is a group that is used to seeing someone and feels left out one year there is complaining. Added with the fact that Idol has been seen as becoming more and more “whitewashed”, and is facing competition from 2 shows that had a lot of diversity in ways Idol hadn’t in years, well its just a recipe for disaster. Context is everything… I can’t imagine it being as big of an issue if it was, say, the year after Fanny won.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not going to say black artists dominate US music the same way black athletes dominate professional sports but it’s close. ;) I think the situation may be different in Europe where rap and hip hop isn’t as dominant. For a show that supposed to produce a big Pop star, it’s weird. Not that Idol even pretends to do that anymore though. ;)

  • Tess

    I don’t think anyone complained when the first four seasons of American Idol  had almost 50% black and ethnic minorities in the semi-finals even though blacks account for only 15% of the population…and America, at large, supported those contestants even having 2 of them crowned champions.

    Now that the semi-finalists are predominantly white with only a scattering of blacks and ethnics everyone is up in arms and pushing the “racist” meme (for want of a better word).

    Sometimes its just how the chips fall.  Personally, I’ve always been glad that American Idol hasn’t been about a racial quota system or pushing a current hot button (like having lots of gays just because it is the “in” thing (here’s looking at you The Voice).  Sometimes the music industry is very diverse and other times its much more one note.  It too is as flexible as Idol.

  • Tess

    In season 4…9 of the 24 semi-finalists were black or ethnic.  That is over a 3rd.  How was that an issue?

  • Valentin432

    No it’s not close, the NBA All Star Game had 10 african american starters out of 10, if you look at the BB 200 or the top 40 charts (I’m not even talking about country or rock where the percentage of black artists has always been lower), the ratio is nowhere near that.
    Yes you have Rihanna on top 40, you also have Adele, Katy Perry, Keisha, Britney Spear, Jessie J or Kelly.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    It wasn’t, because overall there was a mix. But in Season 3 and 6 when the contest seemed dominated by black women, there was lot of bitching. People bitch when they don’t feel like there is something for them.

  • Hazehel

     there have been many season with no latinos, latinas, asians, etc. and we did not get this type of criticism.

    There has never been a season without Latinos, and the only in Season five where there wasn’t a female Latina although black girls were well represented (I just checked the list of semifinalist, I can’t remember all of  them by name, so just going by if the name is Latin.)   Asian is another matter together – they are just a much smaller proportion of US population and wouldn’t expect they’d be well-represented

    there have been many season with no latinos, latinas, asians, etc. and we did not get this type of criticism.

    There has never been a season without Latinos, and the only in Season five where there wasn’t a female Latina although black girls were well represented (I just checked the list of semifinalist, I can’t remember all of them by name, so just going by if the name is Latin.) Asian is another matter together – they are just a much smaller proportion of US population and wouldn’t expect they’d be well-represented.

    I really have no truck with those who think that the minorities are poorly treated, slighted by Idol voters, or whatever. But still, when I saw the spoilers a month ago, it was still a WTF moment, only one girl who is half Latina/Pinoy and no black girls at all. I don’t think that Idol can, or should, represent all races equally, but such discrepancies with the demographics still comes as a big surprise. I wondered last season why a rather big and plain black girl but who has a wonderful voice didn’t get through, some said then it was some problem with a current contract, but now I do wonder if it is something else.
    I really have no truck with those who think that the minorities are poorly treated, slighted by Idol voters, or whatever.  But still, when I saw the spoilers a month ago, it was still a WTF moment, only one girl who is half Latina/Pinoy and no black girls at all.  I don’t think that Idol can, or should, represent all races equally, but such discrepancies with the demographics still comes as a big surprise.  I wondered last season why a rather fat black girl but who has a wonderful voice didn’t get through, some said then it was some problem with a current contract, but now, with the girls they are choosing this season, I do wonder if it was due to something else.

  • Valentin432

    I can’t remember any Latinos in the season 5 semifinalists, and as a group, there have been way less latinos and latinas going far on this show than black female and male contestants even tough they represent a bigger percentage of the population, and asians may be a small percentage of the population but there’s never been one strong contender in 10 seasons, yet this seems like a much more sensitive subject with black contestants.

     I remember that girl very well, she was in the same group with Tatanysa and yes, it was rumored way before the green mile episode aired that she had a problem with a previous contract just like Chris Golightly had the previous season.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it is a “racist” meme, it just wasn’t the smartest choice by Nigel or the producers when they are losing viewers. Especially since the media has pointed out the lack of diversity in the past couple of years. It is a smart business decision to try and include diversity in both the girls and the boys.

    Nigel isn’t looking at the percentage of sales by Black artists over the past two or three years, or he would try to find a racial balance that avoided the criticism from the media (and viewers) and that mirrored what is currently selling in music in the US.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DUYLLXAZRMK46UVYXKNE26FFJY Paul

    I think your true colors show in this post. 

  • Anonymous

    I guess the best Latino season was Season 7 , with 
    Syesha Mercado  ( cuban roots) , Jason Castro ( Colombian roots) and David Archuleta ( Honduran/basque roots) all the three in the four first spots, that was the best chance to take the Idol title , of course neither of them won …. :/

  • Hazehel

    I can’t remember any Latinos in the season 5 semifinalists,

    I got confused by Jose, I misremember him, he is a Philipino, but still, that’s just only one season, not many seasons.  Latinos are less well-represented, that I suppose has something to do with the fact the they aren’t as prominent in the music charts as black singers.  

     
    asians may be a small percentage of the population but there’s never been one strong contender in 10 seasons

    Well, there’s Jasmine Trias.  Asians are not known much in US pop music, so I don’t think anyone would be upset that they aren’t strong contenders.

  • Tera2

    I haven’t complained about races they put on the show cause what’s important to me is star quality and marketable contestants whatever the color is, but I still think there should be diversity amongst top 24.  I  remember When X-FactorUSA had lots of blacks some people here were complaining about that though.  Maybe that’s what the idol producers saw and put predominately white blondes on the show this season.  Now that they’ve done that it isn’t helping the ratings so much if that’s what they thought.  And have they found amongst them those who can be major stars? I doubt it but we’ll see. 

    Divasity is a good thing and not a bad thing.  I vote for contestants that have star potential despite their color, but you its good to have variety, and doesn’t mean its a quota thing or the “in thing”.  We all know there are plenty of contestants of different races including blacks and Hispanics at the audition that they didnt put through.  Also look at the USA music charts its not just full of whites.  And Pop/R&B/Hip-hop is actually huge internationally.  And as someone who has watched idol from day one I hope Idol wouldn’t pander to those who don’t like diversity, cause all type of races watch idol.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think anyone complained when the first four seasons of American Idol  had almost 50% black and ethnic minorities in the semi-finals even though blacks account for only 15% of the population…and America, at large, supported those contestants even having 2 of them crowned champions.

    Actually, some people did complain, especially after Fantasia and Ruben won back to back.  But, most ignored those people, because their reactions were based on bigotry, as is the idea that the number of black people on the show should be in proportion to the number of black people who live in the US.

    One of the reasons why the show drew so well is because it didn’t look like they were just trying to fill a quota, or cast token black contestants, who didn’t stand a chance of winning.  Over the last few years there has been more stereotyping, and casting of some people, usually the males, just so they can say, see we have some black people on the show.  

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it is a “racist” meme, it just wasn’t the smartest choice by Nigel or the producers when they are losing viewers. Especially since the media has pointed out the lack of diversity in the past couple of years. It is a smart business decision to try and include diversity in both the girls and the boys.
    Nigel isn’t looking at the percentage of sales by Black artists over the past two or three years, or he would try to find a racial balance that avoided the criticism from the media (and viewers) and that mirrored what is currently selling in music in the US.  

    Thank you, especially for the first paragraph.  The complaints didn’t just start this year, and neither did the falling ratings that have coincided with the lack of diversity in both the top 24 contestant pool and the viewing audience.   

    I don’t understand why the situation wasn’t addressed sooner, so that they could lure back some viewers, or attract new ones.

  • Anonymous

    Despite the fact that there were an unusual number of blond girls in the top 24, we still managed to have a top 13 that is 46% black and ethnic minorities.  6 out of the 13.

    I don’t see an issue.

  • Anonymous

    I never meant to imply that Idol was “racist.”  I think the show does well when it has diverse contestants representing lots of different genres. But thanks for the ethnic breakdown by %. :0

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s a little late in the ball game for Nigel and Idol to be worrying about luring the black voter back to the show. They didn’t care about the black audience when the ratings were great, now that their sinking like the Titanic, the decide they want a more racially diverse show. The problem is not the number of black contestants, but them choosing the wrong type of black contestant. They need more of the hip/hop urban type and less of the old style R&B artist. In my opinion, the black audience has accepted the fact that the winner of Idol, with be a white male. It’s practically set in stone at this point.