Wednesday Ratings: American Idol Falls in Double Digits

Ratings are in from TVByTheNumbers

Fox easily won the night despite American Idol falling 16% from last week to a 5.1 adults 18-49 rating. That’s down a whopping 35% vs. last year’s equivalent telecast (7.9 adults 18-49 rating on Wednesday, February 23, 2011). Idol will likely be adjusted up a tenth or two in the finals but that won’t make up for even the week over week losses.

Here are TheVoice ratings from Monday.  Final ratings were 6.0 in the key demo, with 16M viewers.

8:00

FOX American Idol 4.9/14 15.35
CBS Survivor 2.8/8 10.32
ABC The Middle 2.3/7 7.50
NBC Whitney 1.5/4 4.13
CW One Tree Hill 0.7/2 1.37

8:30

ABC Suburgatory 2.3/6 6.79
NBC Are You There, Chelsea? 1.3/3 3.40

9:00

FOX American Idol 5.3/13 16.14
ABC Modern Family 4.7/12 11.48
CBS Criminal Minds 3.1/8 12.62
NBC Rock Center with Brian Williams 0.6/2 2.69
CW Remodeled 0.3/1 0.76

9:30

ABC Happy Endings 2.5/6 5.70

10:00

CBS CSI 2.8/8 11.77
NBC Law & Order: SVU 1.6/4 5.94
ABC 20/20 Special: Before They Were Famous 1.4/4 4.81

  • itsalleternal

    Idol needs to really be worried now, that it is losing regularly (i.e. not just a Super Bowl bump) to its rival…

    Season 12 needs a total overhaul.

  • Tess

    Not a doubt in my mind that Idol is feeling the results of the over-saturation of the market, especially considering how bad X-Factor was.  

  • Anonymous

    Wow! Well if it wasn’t in a free-fall then, it SURE is now! 15.35 million viewers the first hour and 16.14 million the 2nd hour? RIP Idol.

  • http://www.velvetspark.com Jordan Seltzer

    Idol is in big trouble + its almost a guarantee its going to lose some of the judges and Ryan if this continues.  Maybe a major shake up is just what it needs! Its boring now.

  • Anonymous

    So for the week AI will have fewer viewers than both NCIS and The Voice, and a lower 18-49 demo rating than The Voice.  It’s sad to see, but not surprising.  The Green Mile episode has always been incredibly boring, and it’s a lot more boring when so many of the people who get through aren’t very interesting.  

    Depending on this cast’s ability to create some buzz, the show might be looking at staying around the 15 million mark, or lower, for the majority of the rest of the season.

  • http://twitter.com/TheGreatXL Jeremy G.

    I guess maybe Randy Jackson shouldn’t be so cocky about The Voice’s talent when now The Voice is beating them in the ratings regularly.

  • http://www.velvetspark.com Jordan Seltzer

    In your opinion XF was bad. I loved it! But the one thing you have to see is that XF had a really loyal audience – numbers didnt move that much – Idol is showing that its viewers are no longer loyal.

  • itsalleternal

    I wonder if Idol will fall below X Factor to #3? That would be a SERIOUS wake up call…

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I expected a drop this week (Green Mile is usually on the low end) but not THIS big of a drop. Holy cow!

    We still have to see how The Voice holds up after auditions and DWTS’s return (plus how Idol shapes up over the season) but they really might beat Idol this year. I though they’d have to wait until next year!

    If Idol doesn’t see a big bump next week for the semi then there’s trouble brewing.

    This is getting good. Suspense! LOL!

  • http://twitter.com/TheGreatXL Jeremy G.

    I love and will always love Idol, but it just feels stale in comparison to X-Factor and The Voice. Call the other two shows ‘fake drama’ all you want, but Idol drums up just as much fakery during these Hollywood rounds. 

     
    I also think people just know that another white guy with guitar is likely to win, so that could account for the tuning out.

  • http://twitter.com/swansteel swansteel

    I just can’t get myself to care about Idol this year.  I’m still watching, at least until the live round, to see how things go, but, overall, I’m like pffft.  I’m not sure if it’s partially because I’m on such a Haley Reinhart high and new talent isn’t of interest to me right now or if I’m just getting tired of the whole talent search format show.  Whatever the case, I’m only half watching at most (the other half is pouring over Twitter). 

  • Anonymous

    No surprise. How many singing shows can TV handle. I like the contestants but they’re boring. Too many in the same genre and lacking in charisma.

  • itsalleternal

    I don’t think Idol did win either of the last 2 weeks, or at best they were virtually equal.

    On Sunday nights, do any shows reach similar ratings? (I know Friday and Saturday are low)

  • Anonymous

    That’s not totally true.  Last week the Wednesday episode of AI beat The Voice in both the key demo and total viewers.  The week before both episodes beat The Voice in total viewers, even though The Voice did better in the demo.

    I don’t think the main worry is The Voice.  This is just one week, or one episode, but for the most part this year ratings have been stable week to week, even though they have been down in staggering amounts in comparison to last year.  This is the first week where we’ve seen a huge week to week drop.  One reason is that the Green Mile episode is always painful to watch, and it’s worse when they make it more than one hour long.  Tonight will be another huge drop, this episode will probably see numbers like the show got during its first season.

  • itsalleternal

    Last week: Idol – 6.1 Wed, 5.3 Thu; The Voice 6.0

    2 weeks ago: Idol – 6.1 Wed, 5.8 Thu; The Voice 6.7

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    IMO Idol is feeling the results of not fixing what is wrong with idol.  Nigel is arrogant and refuses to admit that Idol is not the best produced show on.   The Voice’s mentors have shown how poor Steven, J-Lo and Randy are as judges.  The auditions have been a bore.  Last week’s Vegas performances came across as amateur.  Idol cannot compete with Glee on group performances and people are now demanding more from the tv show rather than what happens after everything is over.

  • Anonymous

    Yikes!

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I think they were about equal at least last week, or Idol was up by a tenth of a point, something like that.

    Not sure about the week before. But Idol’s Wednesday episodes (which actually is what the number one show always is – the first one of the week- the results show/Thursday ep is the number 2 show usually) have been doing fine against The Voice I think.

    ETA: THANKS!!!! Yea, I though Idol was fine last week. The week before was fine too IMO. This is the first time we’ve seen it be bad (well, relative to another show). Wow.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, in the seven seasons I have watched, I have never found anyone interesting before live shows.  Even then it has usually taken 2 or 3 performances before anyone actually grabbed my attention. For me, the prelive shows are just filler, nothing worth getting invested in. What’s the point in investing in people you probably won’t even see perform a full song?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I know that’s the way I’m thinking, no matter who my favorite is.  I could easily see P2 or Reed winning now that they are through to the voting rounds.

  • http://www.velvetspark.com Jordan Seltzer

     I agree. Everyone knocked XF but it was high paced and full of energy.  The Voice has that too. Idol just seems stale.

  • itsalleternal

    Yeah Idol held up well last week, but this hurt. Will this be the bottom-out point? It is up to the contestants to save the show like last year. Another Season 9 (or worse) would be devastating, and might give Simon Cowell the last laugh as well if Idol falls to #3 in the category.

  • Da 1 N Only

    I think its pretty clear that The Voice has exposed how bad the audition rounds are for Idol.  Fortunately for Idol, after one more audition round this Monday The Voice will be going to their boring predictable battle rounds (unless they made significant changes) while Idol goes to their voting rounds so they will likely regain their footing.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I don’t think Idol will fall to number 3. The’d have to average somewhere in the 4s for the season in the demo for that and they’ve already had too many high rated episodes for that to happen, unless they get like 3s here on out.

    But I agree if this doesn’t show signs of turning around next week, That will be a BIG problem. I expect tonight to be pretty bad ratings wise (I said in the other thread all the highly pimped favs already went so there’s even less reason to tune in) but it’s still only one week. Next week will be a big, huge test.

  • Anonymous

    Just out of curiosity, with how many other shows has this scenario happened? Where the show was popular for a long time, but then declined because of age and competition? What happened to those shows? How much longer did they last? Am I wording this funny?

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if next season is Idol’s last. In fact, I would bet that by 2015, at the latest, all the reality singing competition shows (AI, The Voice, XFactor) are off the air. It was a nice run, but nothing last forever, and the ratings for all these programs, even though they are still better than the ratings for most other network programs,  show that people are losing interest.

    The S11 Idols are a pretty bland bunch, aside from Heejun and Reed, and I can’t see either of those guys winning. And, in my opinion, from what I’ve seen so far, the overall talent level is worse this year than in several of the past seasons. So what is going to make viewers want to watch?

  • Kirsten

    Woah! That’s not good. Champagne corks are flying at the other networks.

    Idol better find a way to up their game. They cannot continue this trend.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Honestly I would think your theory about boring contestants was true if I  heard a lot of people saying that, but neither here, other sites, or in real life have I heard complaints about this cast. I’ve heard mostly positive things actually. Even on Twitter last night people were excited about quite a few contestants. So I don’t think that’s it.

    Now thinking The Voice is better/cooler than Idol is a popular sentiment. I want to see how long that lasts past The Voice auditions, but I do think there is a sense that Idol is tired and The Voice is fresh out there. It’s one of the reasons I was saying from before the season started that I though The Voice would do well this year.

  • http://twitter.com/TylerWV TylerWV

    The arrogance of Nigel, etal, ignoring what viewers told them on the extensive survey they took after Idol last year is a lot of the problem.  All my friends that took the poll, most did, said to at least get rid of 2 of the judges.  Massive discontent with them last year.  What did Idol do?  Give JLo a huge raise and bring all 3 back.  I don’t like the Wed. Thurs. slots, prefer Tues. and Wed.  No changes in audition rounds which I’ve always hated and don’t watch, except to peek in to see if they changed them.  I do like Hollywood rounds and loved the Vegas round.  I don’t like how they are doing the green mile this year at all.  I like more singing on a singing show then we got last night.  From the announced changes so far on XFactor, they are ignoring their biggest problem too, Simon.  Still to be seen if the Voice has corrected its weak spot.

  • Hazehel

    The S11 Idols are a pretty bland bunch, aside from Heejun and Reed, and I can’t see either of those guys winning.

    I can see Eben winning, he has a good voice, but needs to learn to sing better.  It’s the problem of putting someone so young on stage when they haven’t learnt the craft properly yet.  A few of the past Idols are very good even when young (like Archie), but most need more time to mature in the singing.

    Personally I don’t see Heejun, Reed or P2 winning.

  • Anonymous

    Hm. Team “The Voice will never beat Idol” might have to eat their words soon enough.

  • itsalleternal

    How does Idol become fresh though?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    Wow!  I’m not surprised we saw a drop, but this is pretty steep!  I agree with those who talk about this year’s top 24 not really being buzzworthy and along with the age of the show are at least two factors that explain the drop.  If the ratings don’t start to improve next week with the live shows then Houston, we’ve got a serious problem.

  • Kirsten

    That will be a BIG problem. I expect tonight to be pretty bad ratings
    wise (I said in the other thread all the highly pimped favs already went
    so there’s even less reason to tune in) but it’s still only one week.

    They are making some idiotic choices this year. Who had the stupid idea of having whether Adam made it or not a cliff-hanger? Are they for real? Is there some study they did that showed that people care what happens to him? Because, I’m not seeing the Adam chatter on this blog.

    Why not have it be about Heejun? Or have Heejun and Ritchie hanging in the balance? People would tune in for that. Who is going to be rushing to the TV at 8 pm to find out what Adam’s fate is? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

    Nigel, just put Ken in a box and throw food it in it once in a while. Sometimes you have to just set the Bozo bit and keep them from doing anything. This has the whiff of Ken idiocy all over it.

  • Anonymous

    It’s too late now. Any changes to make the show fresh should have been done before the season started. They can only hope that when the live shows start the performances are outstanding and generate their own buzz for the contestants.

  • GS61

    These numbers just confirm what I have seen in my local area.
    NOBODY in my circle; family, friends, co-workers, watches anymore, they think I’m nuts, lol. 
    This decline has been happening in the Northeast for a while now. Looks like the rest of the country is catching up.
    Kinda sad :(

  • itsalleternal

    The voters have a long history of loving the WGWG’s though.

  • itsalleternal

    If BOTH Ken and Nigel were fired, who would be at the head table?

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Why not have it be about Heejun? Or have Heejun and Ritchie hanging in
    the balance? People would tune in for that. Who is going to be rushing
    to the TV at 8 pm to find out what Adam’s fate is? Anybody? Bueller?
    Bueller?

    Exactly! Heejun and Phillipx2 would be a draw. People would tune in to find out what happened to them. But I can’t even remember who is left to go and I’m an Idol stan! LOL! I’ve seen every episode and chatted about it on a message board! Even I might skip tonight. I like Big Bang Theory too, you know Nigel. It’s pretty tempting right now. :)

  • Kirsten

    If BOTH Ken and Nigel were fired, who would be at the head table?

    Cecile. The brainiac running X-Factor production.

  • Anonymous

    I WOULD be surprised if next year was the last. They would have to take an unimaginable nosedive. If the ratings stay low, they will simply give it another major overhaul.

  • Anonymous

    I loved it too! Say what you want about xfactor but it had interesting contestants like Chris, Astro, Marcus and Rachel. Chris and Rachel are my faveorites. I always tune in to see what they were going to do next. These 4 were amazing performers especially Chris who commanded the stage everytime like he was having his own concert. I’ve not watched an episode of idol this year. The auditions were enough to turn me off but I’m waiting for xfactor to come back in the fall to see what they have in store and especially to have these four back to perform. I can’t wait!

  • Anonymous

    Who is going to be rushing to the TV at 8 pm to find out what Adam’s fate is? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

    I’m going to skip the first 10 minutes because I don’t want to see anymore footage of Adam crying over everything. The guy needs to get it together! The sixteen year olds are more emotionally stable than he is.

    Plus, he is pulling every sob story or dramatic line he can think of out of the book. He needs to stick with one sob story!

  • Hazehel

    I wonder if Idol will fall below X Factor to #3? 

    Unlikely, and I’d say impossible, if you are talking about this season.    I think however X-Factor damaged Idol more than The Voice did.

    The problem is the decision made by the producers to change the show in ways that are bad for the show – the dreary audition rounds completely lacking in drama or interest (all the judges just keep saying “yes” to anyone half decent), and now the dreary long drawn-out Top 24 reveal.   I think some of those who are making the show have lost the plot completely as to what makes an interesting show that people want to watch.   Time for some fresh blood I think. 

  • Anonymous

    IMO the major problem with all three shows is that at this point not one of them has found a contestant or two with what everyone calls the “IT” factor.  It remains to be seen whether or not either AI or The Voice judges have picked someone who will grab the public’s attention…none so far have got my attention.

    The rest of it is all window dressing.

  • Tess

    Who is the WGWG this year.  I haven’t seen anyone who is a coffee house singer trying to come across as a potential “player”.  Just because someone plays the guitar doesn’t make them a WGWG….that isn’t the definition of said phrase.  WGWG describes Kris Allen, Lee Dewyze, and with a change of gender Crystal and most of the season 9 contestants.  Nobody has shown they fit that definition so far this year.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Idol won’t get cancelled next year. Think Survivor. It will be on for a few more years at least unless the producers decide to pull the plug. It can still be profitable even if its not number one.

    I expect major shakeups for next year even if they do recover from this week. The question is, will it be enough? The only thing working in their favor right now is NBCs rumored decision to run The Voice twice a year, which may result in NBC damaging Idol’s biggest competition for them.

    I do agree with elliegirl on one thing… I think all these shows are going to burn out the audience over the next 3 years or so. I expect only one will be left when the dust settles and whichever one it is will be seriously weakened.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah! And I think the way they’re treating their finalists after the show too is a factor. IMO, fans get the feeling of satisfaction when their favorites are treated well after the show. I was bummed when Chris placed third but I’m amazed and happy so far with what they’re doing with him so I feel happy and love xfactor for that. Why wouldn’t I tune in again? IDOL, not so much. They always leave a section of the fans pissed after the show!

  • Anonymous

    The person who didn’t realize that in order for the XF to succeed it needed to look nothing like AI, which meant that as good as Paula could be, having her on the panel was a huge mistake.  In her defense, I think that Fox had a lot to do with the casting that took place before the voting shows started, as well as Paula being hired.

  • superfudge

    Idol is just boring this year. I think after the Voice opened the door to coaches with such good chemistry watching anything else seems kinda sleepy.

  • Kirsten

    Yeah! And I think the way they’re treating their finalists after the
    show too is a factor. IMO, fans get the feeling of satisfaction when
    their favorites are treated well after the show.

    The success of The Voice seems to contradict that, though. They treated their contestants all like crap and they’ve all flopped out of the gate, but the ratings are higher than ever.  A lot of Voice fans feel that it’s all up to the contestant to be a success and they just watch for the entertainment factor.

    I prefer shows that do look after their contestants and X-Factor does seem to be doing a Class A job at it. I’m just not sure if there are enough people who do care for it to be much of a relevant factor.

  • Anonymous

    Why not have it be about Heejun? Or have Heejun and Ritchie hanging in the balance?

    Guess I’m just really jaded ’cause I wouldn’t rush to see how either of those two fared either.  In my mind it was a foregone conclusion that Heejun would stay and Ritchie would go…not that I think either of them deserved to stay.  Heejun wore on my nerves as much as the cowboy did.

    And therein lies the problem for me at least…I’m not invested in anyone at this point and I am so hoping that during the live rounds at least a couple in the top 24 peak my interest…keeping fingers crossed.

  • Anonymous

    I love how everytime there is a ratings drop, there is always chatter about how “horrible” the season is, yet last Wednesday when it stayed steady we werent hearing any of that.

  • Anonymous

    They are making some idiotic choices this year 

    I agree.  This just isn’t about over saturation of singing shows.  The ratings didn’t reflect it last year, but I still say that the show was hurt by lackluster audition rounds during season 9, and Steven and Jennifer checking out when the live shows started.

    That carried over to this season, with audition shows that lacked balance.  Being nicer is good, but there is a problem when everyone who is shown on the audition shows is pretty mediocre.  You want to make the ones who make it look good, show some contestants who are slightly worse, even the joke ones, who don’t make it.  Also show some people who are borderline ready, who do and don’t make the cut.

    The judges set the tone during the auditions, and having them over praise people who don’t deserve it is not good.

    The biggest problem, the lack of diversity in the cast, which is going to make for a boring season, and a lack of buzz.  This is something that’s gotten worse and worse since at least season 7.  They seem to be trying to pander to the voters, and those who attend the tour, but the result is that they are alienating viewers.  They aren’t going to attract younger viewers with a bland vanilla cast.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    What I think is sad to see is an actual singing competition being damaged by two judges competition shows because that’s essentially what The Voice and X-Factor are. It reminds me of other reality competitions that start out with “unknown” hopefuls and then get swept up in their celebrity editions and all star editions, practically abandoning their original concept, such that we have a whole category of people who make whole careers on being on reality shows — from D-List celebrities to professional reality show participants who hop from one to another to another.

  • mickeybordentwo

    I just made a quick trip to Wikipedia and looked up the ages of the judges on Idol and The Voice.

    I wasn’t fussy about birthdays, so the ages are approximate.

    On The Voice, the judges’ ages are 32, 33, 36 and 38.

    On Idol, the judges’ ages are 42, 55, and 63.

    I would think having a younger set of judges would make a show more appealing to the younger demographic.

  • sdmama

    Colton is the WGWK. Not the guitar, but keyboard. I can see him playing at a coffee house surrounded by teenage girls with dreamy eyes. 

  • Tess

    So…in order to be not bland or vanilla you have to be a person of color, a 12 year old child, a recovering drug addict, someone with an on again off again accent, or assorted and assundry lesbians, gays, has been over-weight rock singers, females with childish voices, strippers, people with attitudes bigger than their talent…have I hit on what “diverse” is yet?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    Maybe X Factor and The Voice have damaged Idol.  They have shown how dull Idoll is.  I can tell you what will happen after the top twenty four starts competing.  We will hear 24 mediocre boring performances.  The voters will start voting off the females even though some of them will have 10 times the talent of some of the men.  Any female that has a powerhouse voice will be elminated because  idol voters don’t like big voices especially on women.  It will be like last year where we were still hearing people singing off key even up to the top 5.  What is worse is J-Lo, Steven and Randy will be telling them all they are beautiful, amazing etc.  This is what is really is ruining Idol.  Nigel will then manufacture drama in order to try and up the viewers and it won’t work because people want to see singing not drama

  • Anonymous

    but I would be the first to say that if the contest continues to appear as if only a fairly narrow group can win that would be boring as hell.

    You’d be the second to say this.  LOL.  I’m the first to say that everyone who has won has deserved to win, even Lee, who had one of the poorest final two performances in the history of the show.  But, the biggest problem that the show faces isn’t so called WGWGs winning, it’s the idea that these are the only people who can win.  I’ve always said that the most important thing that happened to the show were the wins by Ruben and Fantasia, those wins showed that everybody has a fair shot.  

    But now, it’s like the show is trying to stack the deck in the favor of certain contestants.  Slezak brought the subject up a few years back, its been a while since AI has cast a viable black male contestant.  I can’t remember his first name, but Ledet is just Jacob Lusk with more control.  DeAndre could be a different type of performer, but with only one episode where he received screentime, his chances of making out of the semi final round are slim.  

    Too many of the female contestants sound and or look the same, which will hurt them, as well as the fact that while they have nice voices, as usual, the show didn’t showcase their personalities as they did with the guys.  They will also be hurt because at this point, none of them sound very modern.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    No, that’s not it. The X-Factor, which actually didn’t do as well as the other two shows — let’s not forget that — and the Voice are all about featuring the judges over the contestants. The contestants are pawns to be manipulated by them for their own moment in the spotlight. But, you know, the judges are professionals at being in the limelight and they are encouraged to be outrageous and overshadow the contestants because *they* are the stars. So, it’s no wonder a bunch of amateurs don’t capture your attention as easily. We prefer Dancing with the Stars over So You Think You Can Dance. Celebrity Apprentice over Apprentice. Survivor All Star Edition over Survivor. Big Brother buff men and playboy bunny wannabe actors over the average joe the show started with. We wallow in celebrity and outrageousness. That’s why Idol is more popular during it’s latter episodes, because we begin to see these contestants as celebrities, the show brings on more and more actual celebrities to “mentor and entertain,” and Nigel creates outrageous moments to satisfy America’s penchant for bread and circuses.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002755246724 Jake Cruz

    I am not sure if anyone’s with me on this, but I personally think it would help Idol if they take a vacation, say one year.  This could buy them enough time to conceptualize something new for the show–change the audition process, replace every judge with someone current like coaches from The Voice, etc.  Having this break would surely make people miss the show they once loved, and the moment the show goes on air again, I am certain the ratings would skyrocket big time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DUYLLXAZRMK46UVYXKNE26FFJY Paul

    It’s pretty much the Star Search scenario again. It was massive for about a decade and there were tons of similar shows in the market. It eventually went off the air and there was a considerable break before Idol came into the picture. I would imagine after these shows dim their lights for the last time, there will be about a 10 year period before new singing shows come out. 

    If Idol would skip the auditions that no one likes. Give 2 consolidated weeks of auditions and Hollywood, dove into the Top 24 and eliminated 1 boy and 1 girl each week until the top 12 it wouldn’t be as painful to sit through. It would also give contestants more time to draw in potential fans and would make the competition fresh again. 

    Heck, even if the split was by genre of music it would be more interesting. Right now, you know what to expect each week. Even the results are no longer shocking in the live shows. 

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    But, the biggest problem that the show faces isn’t so called WGWGs
    winning, it’s the idea that these are the only people who can win. 

    I don’t know if its the biggest problem AI is facing, but other that that I totally agree. It doesn’t feel like everyone has an equal shot anymore. Last year gave me some hope because Scotty was a smidge removed from the last 3 winners and 2 girls made the top 3. But if this year goes reverts back to recent form (in addition to another early slaughter for the girls) I just can’t see getting invested another year. That could be just me though.

    We have no idea to what degree this contributes to the ratings losses this year, but I suspect it doesn’t help with Idol having so much competition.

    Still, if the cast is good I suspect Idol will recover over the rest of the season. It’s next year that is the potential big problem.

    ETA: Jake, that is an interesting idea! They won’t do it, but I do wonder if it could work.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, idol will end up beating The Voice in total viewers this week when adjusted up. It has been consistently been beating the voice in total viewers.

  • Anonymous

    So…in order to be not bland or vanilla you have to be a person of color, a 12 year old child, a recovering drug addict, someone with an on again off again accent, or assorted and assundry lesbians, gays, has been over-weight rock singers, females with childish voices, strippers, people with attitudes bigger than their talent…have I hit on what “diverse” is yet?

    I don’t care what their backgrounds are, the only place where the X Factor beat AI, and it was reflected in their demo breakdowns, is that XF cast people who would never make it on AI (
    at least during the last four or five years), even if they are better singers than the people who make the cut.  I don’t think that makes AI the better show, but more importantly, the lack of diversity is going to hurt the ratings.  There’s no getting around that.

  • bigd13

    As oppose to idol this year when you have a bunch of females who all sound and look exactly the same. The guys are at least different from eachother but it doesn’t negate the fact they are choosing the same type of people every year and that is certainly not going to bring in any new viewers.

  • Anonymous

    Idol is still way better than the other two badly produced/cheesy singing competitions.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not the age of the judging panel that will improve it, it’s the context of their verbiage that will make the difference.  How’s this – get some judges who will convey some real concrete suggestions on singing to these amateurs – something that will actually instruct them to do better and/or improve their craft.  Isn’t that the role of “judging”? 

    What we have now are 3 people who spew boring, insipid comments for 2 hrs at a time. Do TPTB think these 3 jokes, er judges, contribute to the entertainment value of the show? At least the panel of Paula, Simon and Randy were funny (and the ratings were the highest). This panel? Not so much.

  • Kirsten

    They have shown how dull AI has become.  I can tell you what will happen
    after the top twenty four starts competing.  We will hear 24 mediocre
    boring performances.  The voters will start voting off the females even
    though some of them will have 10 times the talent of some of the men.

    Last year, Idol’s final 4 featured 2 women and 2 men. This year’s X-Factor featured 3 men and 1 woman. The Voice only got 3 girls and 1 guy because the judges/mentors/whatever get to pick who makes it that far with only a little input from the voters (only 2 men made it into the final 8 – they were looking for a female winner – even though one of those 2 men went on to win).

    I don’t think it’s just an Idol problem.

    But Idol could do a better job of bringing out the characters of their female contestants in the audition and Hollywood rounds. Jen is the only female let through so far that has a positive and fullish character. Brielle has one, but she is doomed. Other than their voices, what can you tell me about the other female contestants? Meanwhile, we know a lot about Heejun (funny hipster with a soft spot), his best bud P^2 (shy, earnest guy), Reed (the loose cannon who somehow makes groups shine), etc.  And it’s all fresh in our minds from the last week or two.

    Are none of the females funny? Did none of them develop friendships? Are none of them hyperactive goofballs? The editing needs to improve. We know the guys. The girls are just singers.

  • Hazehel

    The voters have a long history of loving the WGWG’s though.

    Like the history of those in Idol bubble saying that WGWG will win. People seems to have forgotten that they thought Paul McDonald winning was a forgone conclusion last season because he was a WGWG, I was probably one of the few who argued against that idea.  Then when Scotty won, he suddenly became the WGWG.  Whatever.

    P2 last night showed that he might be a more interesting singer than I first thought, but that still won’t make him an automatic winner.  At the moment I think he might make Top 4 or 5, but not a winner.   He needs to show he can do more than what we saw last night to be a winner.

  • Anonymous

    The ratings were still the highest because it was a young show. It’s in it’s 11th season now.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know much about “Star Search.” Didn’t David Archuleta compete on that as a kid? But I hope you’re right, that Idol won’t go much beyond 10 years. I start college this September, and I’m going to be wicked busy (can you tell I’m from Boston? That’s one of the reasons why I love MJ.) I had big plans to travel to poor areas in service, and I don’t want to be bound to the civilized world by a TV show that I am unhealthily obsessed with. And no, I cannot “just stop watching.” I have a commitment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    American is losing it’s taste for bread and circuses.  That is why X Factor had problems.   They had so much drama last year also.  Also why should I get invested in someone on Idol when I know the AT&T text messagers from the south control who wins.  Anyone that is the least different does not have a chance on Idol so I have gotten to the point where I don’t care.  The Voice is great tv and I find that I can sit and watch the show, enjoy it and not want to kill after it is over

  • Banished

    Wasn’t AI on against Survivor last year? Has Survivor’s ratings dropped too? It still won both time slots, and beat out one of the popular comedies: Modern Family! This is all Much ado About Nothing. As someone else pointed out: tired old silly reality shows like the Bachelor and Survivor are still on.. AI isn’t going anywhere fast.

  • Anonymous

    I knew it!

    I thought her name looked familiar in the credits.

    That being said, as someone mentioned before, I enjoyed the X Factor and I hope that Simon makes both smart and rational choices in how the show is produced and who will be sitting next to him in the fall. I’ll be watching AI for Heejun and Jessica since the show is sort of minority-challenged this season unlike XF. And yes, I am watching (and enjoying) The Voice as well.

  • Anonymous

    Ok, since before becoming numbers nerd over music charts I was a numbers numbers nerd about tv ratings, I did a quickie calculations for a few highest-rated 18-49 demographic prime time shows (in order to exclude premier/post Super Bowl highs I used data for this month only).
    So, here we go:

    18-49 Millions
     6.2 – 16,72 The Voice (NBC)
     5.8 – 17,99 American Idol/Wednesday (FOX)
     5.5 – 17,42 American Idol/Thursday (FOX)
     5.4 – 15,93 The Big Bang Theory (CBS)
     5.0 – 11,88 Modern Family (ABC)
     4.1 – 12,92 Two and a Half Men (CBS)
     4.0 – 11,11 2 Broke Girls (CBS)

    I will probably keep an eye on this pretty little table as a time passes by, since thing are starting get really interesting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    well we see things differently

  • Anonymous

    Too many of the female contestants sound and or look the same, which will hurt them, as well as the fact that while they have nice voices, as usual, the show didn’t showcase their personalities as they did with the guys.  They will also be hurt because at this point, none of them sound very modern

    While I agree with almost everything you say, in my opinion what hurts female contestants the most is that the majority of voters are female of varying ages and I believe most females prefer male voices…I know I do.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see it that way.  The ratings were highest (ascending) in the early seasons, the best seasons 1-5, because the judging panel was entertaining and the talent was new, fresh, and quite frankly, better – before instruments were introduced, the talent was mainly focused on singing, rather than the show manipulating it’s “cast” to what TPTB thought the audience wanted. So instead of embracing the audience preferences from year to year, they had their own agenda (embracing who they thought will make them the most money) and disregarded the will of the people.  IMO, “that” is when the show started jumping the shark.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    I agree with this.

  • Anonymous

    Ouch! Hopefully, people are just waiting for the real singing competition to begin. Hopefully.

    The show itself has been around a long time, and people get bored. I haven’t watched in two years.

    Most people are faithful to a show but not obsessive about. After a while, once you figure out the formula – the ins and outs, you look for other interests. If I like singing shows in general, and there are others on TV that do a better job of holding my interest, well…. Idol had better start looking at ways to reach beyond the boundaries of its dwindling core group of viewers.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting that after Taylor Hicks won, the ratings started dropping…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro


    still hearing people singing off key even up to the top 5″. I’ve heard people singing off key even up to the finale, especially in S9. The problem aren’ the singers or the judges. The problem is that the show has become boring.

  • Anonymous

    The ratings for Taylor’s year were the best that the show has seen, and he was a huge reason for that.  The yearly ratings drop since his season haven’t been out of the ordinary.  The show usually sees drops of 10%, which is normal for most shows.  The drops for this year aren’t the norm.  It would be one thing to see drops in the high teens, but these 30 plus percent drops every week are troubling.

  • Anonymous

    “A lot of Voice fans feel that it’s all up to the contestant to be a success and they just watch for the entertainment factor.”

    I know you are absolutely correct but this statement just amazes me. These are people who are taking a great risk, whether it be personally or professionally, to ditch their everyday lives and try to catch a break. I fail to understand how folks can tune in and not relate to any of these folks (on each of the shows) as real human people. How can they care about these contestants, vote for them argue – in some cases – about them here and elsewhere , and then totally forget about them? Can’t wrap my head around that.

    I guess that is a reason I don’t watch the audition shows and only watch recaps of the shows here. I’ve been in similiar positions as these folks during auditions for parts, etc, and can’t see the process as pure entertainment. (More like gladiator sports) Too many consequences for those involved.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    I think The Voice comes off more like a game show…with the 4 judges as the contestants. The singers are just accessories, though the setup makes for very good television. Idol and XFactor are actual singing competitions. That said, depending on who Simon has up his sleeve as judges and hosts, Idol may want to bring someone or several people to the judging table who can bring a little current WOW factor. Maybe a way to change up auditions is to have a different staff of judges, more current celebrities, make the first round decisions? Even some current artists with relatively busy schedules might make time to do one or two audition rounds — not a big time obligation there.

  • http://twitter.com/hokiefam claudia powell

    I think Idol needs to involve the judges in some way.  On Xfactor I loved the different talent they found, but I hated how defensive the judges were on their group.  What I would enjoy is if the judges did get to help the contestants but alternated…so it was still about the contestants but we can see how the judges can help the contestants.  Last year, Lovine did make it more interesting by showing how the performances came together.  But, I’d rather it be the judges who provide suggestions and help.  The Idols have to progress/change/stir it up or something.  I just don’t think the awe shucks, standing there week after week doing the same thing is going to keep people’s interest any more.  People want to be entertained.

    Frankly, the market is saturated.  And therefore, the celebrity judges and their part in the show is what attracts a lot of viewers. 

  • Anonymous

    In my area of the world two factors certainly played into TV watching – or the lack thereof – this week;  Mardi Gras and Ash Wednesday. I guess those aren’t as big of factors in other areas, but here, people were partying Tuesday and in church Wednesday! (I realize some folks could go to church during the day, but services were also held at night for most Protestant churches in the area).

    Were ratings down across the board?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    . IMHO Idol’s problems are not because of Taylor or Lee.  Idol’s problems are because TPTB have refused to fix any of the problems. that the fans have been telling them about. I have always been disgusted as to how Idol’s producers have treated Taylor, Lee, Kat etc.

  • Anonymous

    Then Jerkin might save Idol. :)

  • Anonymous

    Season 5 was considered the peak of the series as far as ratings (the finale, btw, was THE highest rated singular episode of the entire decade, sans sporting events).  It also was the highest grossing tour ever in 10 seasons. 90% of the top 10 are still doing quite well in the business six years later.  The talent on that season was the best there was and it’s winner, Taylor Hicks was a dynamic and entertaining performer and was hugely popular that year. 

    After that year, there had to be a downturn because of the enormity the year before, imo.  The continued over-involvement of TPTB in the subsequent years and the disregard for the choice of the people was the turning point.  If anything, they should to emulate that year in any way they can.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah ratings were down across the board, so it wasn’t just idol. Only CSI and Happy Endings saw increases.

    I think it was the combination of the green mile being traditionally low, maybe ash Wednesday, and possibly the GOP debate.

  • Anonymous

    We can’t blame a ratings decrease after season 5 on Taylor Hicks anymore than we can blame a ratings decrease this year on Scotty.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    Season 5 was also before AT&T controlled the voting with their text messaging monopoly.  Now fewer fantatical people could control the outcome.  Sitting on the phone and voting was stupid because in an hour you could get in 100 votes if you were lucky while the text messages could send in 20,000.

  • sue

    Dang this is really sad. I hope Nigel does something to shake this up! Please get better judges next season or change the format a little. I really don’t know what they can do. I love idol so much and it will always be my favorite show on tv, I hope this isn’t the end. :(  Season 10 was so good, I don’t know what is going on with Season 11. I really enjoyed last night’s episode until the end of it.  I guess people are getting tired of all the singing competitions.

    I actually see some promising stars this season, but ending the cliffhanger on Adam was uhhhhhh really stupid.  Oh well, I hope things pick up when they go live.

  • Anonymous

    How can they care about these contestants, vote for them argue – in some cases – about them here and elsewhere , and then totally forget about them? Can’t wrap my head around that.

    The same way that viewers vote for the dancers on SYTYCD, but then they have no idea what happens to them after the finale. Viewers get invested in the winners of shows such as Project Runway or Top Model, but they don’t follow the post-show careers of the contestants. Viewers of AI do the same when they don’t purchase the Idol’s music after the season is over.

    There is a large majority of viewers who simply watch these competition type shows to be entertained.

  • Anonymous

    Idol is old, and there are newer shows that are getting attention.  I don’t think that idol is any less enjoyable than V and X but they are younger.  Viewers are sorta like a man approaching middle age, something young and fit will turn their heads.  It doesn’t matter that that young and fit cutie is foolish and a gold digger, she’s fresh.

    There are things that Idol as the first wife can do, a face lift and a tummy tuck will extend the shelf life, but things will never be like they were during the honeymoon years.  It’s just a fact of life.

    My viewership is more like the cheating hubby.  Gonna keep wifey no matter what, but will have a dalliance with V, X is just isn’t my speed.

  • Anonymous

    I’m just curious. Season 9 is regarded as the weakest season of all (I don’t disagree with that.) How far did the rating fall back then between shows, and from Season 8? Was it this bad? (Please say no; I’d like the current drop to be a sign that the show is almost done for good.)

  • Anonymous

    Why?  

  • tinawina

    Aw Sue, no worries! For perspective, what we are really talking about is the number 1 and 2 show becoming maybe the number 2 and 3 ( maybe 4) show this year. That’s not really a tragedy. This show could lose half it’s viewers from last year and still be a top 10 show. It’s not going anywhere, it just may not be “cool” anymore. But it hasn’t been cool for a while anyway. LOL

  • Anonymous

    As someone who has seen virtually all episodes of Idol from day one, I now find myself watching mainly to see if I can identify the contestant manipulation by the show and how I can predict their “casting” of the final 12/13.  I also find the talent of TV to be considerably better — therefore, more entertaining (don’t care about fresh from the farm vs. 2nd/3rd timers).

    The judges’ useless commentary also bugs immensely.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    Im not sure.  It is true that the ratings for Idol had been dropping since Season 5.  Season 9 may have been in line with the drop but with Idol’s total revamp the ratings went up in Season 10.  (No argument there).  American Idol has not been able to maintain that increase in ratings this year.  I wouldn’t be surprised if one compared Season 9 to Season 11, they are pretty close.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I think the shows to date would have been 100% better if they’d focused on the actual singing and skipped all the rest of it. The only “back story” part I’ve really liked was Heejun’s comments. I was unimpressed yesterday with all the comments from the judges re how hard it was to make decisions, etc. etc. Would have much preferred a package with each of the 42 people showing clips from each of their journeys and then a simple in top 24 or not in comment. Better than watching them walk the long walk. :)

  • Anonymous

    I know that it does happen (by the vast majority) I just don’t understand the mindset behind it. I don’t watch the other show you mentioned but I understand that on those, just like Big Brother, etc. the appeal is to watch other people’s lives be manipulated for pure entertainment value ( at least on SYTYCD they seem to actually get jobs in the industry).

    I just don’t have the mindset to not care about what happens to these people afterwards. I may not have the power to help everyone, but I have purchased CD’s from folks who are selling poorly just to do my part LOL. Of course, most of those remain unopened.

    That is my own issue to deal with. However, if The Voice sets these people up just to let them fall by the wayside with little or no support afterwards, it gives me absolutely no incentive to watch the show.

  • Tess

    Even without the competition I would hazard a guess that American Idol would be slowly loosing its viewership….10 years in the entertainment business is a lifetime.  I would hazard a guess that less than 1 in a hundred TV shows get to celebrate a 10 year anniversary….and many that do just limp into that 10 years on a breath and a prayer, see: Friends, Happy Days, Married with Children,Cheers.  And its funny to realize that the longest running shows are usually soaps (Dallas, Knots Landing), news, and wrestling (WWE Raw & WWE Smackdown).  Even sports have a shakeup every few years where they move networks, days, and times.

    Personally, I think the move from Tuesday, Wednesday to Wednesday, Thursday hurt Idol more than anything.  Any time a show changes their schedule it won’t maintain…people are just to into being set in their ways as far as TV viewing.  

    I think The Voice and Idol will probably be neck and neck this year but I don’t think either show will bounce back to 20 million viewers.  Right now they are splitting the faithful, as evidenced in the bubble.  Unless one of the shows falls off the radar completely we should just be getting used to seeing the figures we are now seeing….things aren’t going to improve.  

  • Anonymous

    For purely selfish reasons. I can be selfish sometimes. I start college in September, and I have big plans for travel and service. I can’t be bound to civilization by a TV show that I am unhealthily obsessed with. And no, I cannot “just stop watching.” I’ve been too invested for too long to quit cold turkey. (I’ve given this explanation so many times already, even I’m getting annoyed with it.)

  • Anonymous

    This may sound totally random, but I went to the AI:S10 tour when it came to Manchester. I bought a program, like I did when I saw the show for Seasons 6, 8, and 9, but this time, it said “10th Anniversary” in sparkly letters, and each of the Top 11 had his/her picture in a star. How can it get better than that? It won’t make 20.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for your very honest answer.  Makes sense to a person who is somewhat obsessed with it too!

  • Anonymous

    You’re welcome, and good to know I’m not alone. Honesty is the best policy. Which is why I hate judges that refuse to judge. (cough*whole panel*cough)

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    How about the fact that it is an election year, too. When debates are on, people may be watching those. Also, I am from the Philadelphia area and FINALLY our basketball team woke up and went to work this year. So, my husband and youngest son are usually fighting for TV time to tune into the games.

  • Anonymous

    Personally, I think the move from Tuesday, Wednesday to Wednesday, Thursday hurt Idol more than anything.  Any time a show changes their schedule it won’t maintain…people are just to into being set in their ways as far as TV viewing.  

    The problem with this theory is that the ratings were higher last year than they were during season 9.  At first the Thursday shows had some big drops, but more around the 18% range, not the 30%that we are seeing this year, but the ratings for Thursdays got better during the final round.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    I agree that The Voice is more exciting in the beginning than Idol any more, but then I lose interest in The Voice when the real competition begins. How many contestants on each team this year? There are too many to keep track of, LOL.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    The Voice is being very smart this year where Nigel is being very dumb.  Kelly Clarkson is going to be one of Blake’s mentors.  That should bring in some of the AI fans that refuse to watch.  Nigel on the other hand is just being his arrogant self

  • Nele621

    I think last year the boost in ratings from S9 was due to Steven Tyler and to a lesser degree J-Lo. After a season of those superstars and the disappointing judging, those who tuned in for them left.

    This won’t help ratings, but I wish they would cut back on the votes per person. I only voted one season, but it was exhausting. I think they would have had the same winners, but at least we will know what kind of a fanbase size they really do have. Scotty may have gotten a hundred million votes, but that translated to a million albums sold. And even then, I’m sure his fans bought multiple albums.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t watch the other show you mentioned but I understand that on those, just like Big Brother, etc. the appeal is to watch other people’s lives be manipulated for pure entertainment value ( at least on SYTYCD they seem to actually get jobs in the industry).

    Shows like SYTYCD, Project Runway and Top Model are not in the same category as shows like Big Brother, which is why I didn’t mention shows of that nature. SYTYCD, PR, and TM have contestants who are trained and wanting to make a career out of dancing, designing or modeling. These three shows are a competition among talented contestants, just like the singing competitions.

  • http://www.velvetspark.com Jordan Seltzer

     So if XF is all about the judges – how come they are having careers after the show?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4ND6Q5VHOIYVYIIRVU2B7ECPWY DianaL

    Idol is still the best reality show out there.  X Factor sucked — it was so phony and overproduced.  I couldn’t stomach more than one episode.  The Voice seems overrated to me.  Idol is still well done….the people seem real, the judges seem real. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    Idol fans do not get me wrong.  I admit I love The Voice because it is fun and exciting.   I have watched Idol since Season 3.  Every year I looked forward to January when the new season would come on.  I cried when my favourite lost and celebrated when my favourite won.  Then this show started to lose it’s mojo.  It wasn’t because of the competitors.  They were doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing.  TPTB took over the show.   They have manipulated the ending for years.  They have created drama that no-one wanted to hear about.  One of the worst problems in my opinion is the voting.  Take AT&T our of it.  (This will never happen).  If you don’t have AT&T, voting is a wasted of time.  The text messagers control who win.  Nigel lose some of your arrogance.  You should be listening to your dissenters not mocking them.  They care enough about this show to tell you what they think is wrong about it.  Your judges are horrible, period.  I knew that even before The Voice showed it in comparison.  You need to look at the other shows.  Everyone is laughing at Xavier.  I think he would make an excellent mentor.  Not all of these Idol contestants are going to be come stars.  Xavier could help them in where to go when that doesn’t happen but I  know that Nigel thinks he is much much to smart for that.

  • Garrett Clayman

    go sixers!

  • Anonymous

    I agree with all that was posted above:
    The show is old.
    The judges are incompetent.
    Market saturated with singing competion shows.
    Cast not deverse and outcome predictable.
    Sad because I love the show, and think it is still the best of the three.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a combination of things causing the decline:
    1) age of the show
    2) viewers catching on to WGWG winners the last 4 years
    3) new judges interest has waned in 2nd year 
    4) 2nd year of judges that don’t judge
    5) no Simon to make things interesting – his criticisms were fun and a lot of  people watched for that reason alone, including me

  • Anonymous

    I think last year the boost in ratings from S9 was due to Steven Tyler and to a lesser degree J-Lo
    This doesn’t explain why the first episode of last season started down 18%.  The drop shouldn’t existed at all, since Steven and J Lo received a lot of pre-show attention.  And since, as you say, their judging was so bad during the season, I would have expected the ratings to drop as the final round wound down, not increase, so that they erased the effects of the first show’s 18% loss, and resulted in the season having higher ratings than season 9.  Even given season 9’s problems that shouldn’t have happened, since AI had consistently shown season to season drops of 10%.

    Just like people aren’t going to tune in because a popular or successful won the previous season, they also won’t tune in for a full season just because famous people are on the judging panel.  People overlooked the bad judging last year, because the reason they watch, the contestants, were good.  People haven’t gotten to know the contestants this year, so the pointlessness of Steven, Jennifer and Randy has been in the spotlight.  Plus, there haven’t been a lot of breakthrough or wow performances during the early rounds.

  • Anonymous

    We don’t know if they will yet.  It’s too soon tell what will happen with their musical careers, even though they are in a better position than the people from The Voice.

  • Nele621

    What is such a shame regarding Javier, is that he is so talented. I think he is as talented as Kelly. The Voice needs to learn how to promote their winners. Look how they promoted Scotty. I wish they would not ignore him, just because his single/album flopped.

    The judges on The Voice are getting better. Their chemistry is evident. I didn’t used to like Adam Levine, but I thought he was so cute telling Christina that she is not the boss of him. For some reason, that was endearing to me. Their bickering is playful and fun.

  • Anonymous

     Idol has been on for 10 years. It has been #1 for 9 straight seasons. Only one other show in the history of television has been #1 for even 5 straight seasons. Pop culture changes. Things get old. Idol was never going to last forever. The fact that people have been waiting around for 5 seasons ready to pounce on idol when it fades to me seems sad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    Well, like I said, we have been tellling the Producers for years that the show was going downhill.  Since they were #1, the Producers would not listen.  Again I point out Nigel sitting on Twitter calling the dissenters morons.  Now that the ratings are dropping maybe they will start listening.  I know I for one, watched every season, supported the contestants when their cds came out, went to their tours.  So why is Nigel so against listening to what I have to say?

  • http://twitter.com/BazzleFjsm Bazzle

    Well the problem with the WGWG winner is because of the voters. What can producers do to change that? I think Idol already makes itself suitable towards a more mature audience through song choices but they can’t make more 20 year old males/females vote more than say teen girls. Changing the voting system is an option but in reality its quite hard to achieve. All reality TV shows are set up in some way but I like Idol’s… throwback sort of format. The other two just seem corny to me.  I don’t trust ratings. NBC’s Community is such a good show but its about to be taken off air because of ‘ratings’. Save Community!  

    Alot of American television is broadcasted around the world too, do these ratings include international ratings? Alot of people watching aren’t even from America. 

  • Anonymous

     Most of the people that tweet nigel are morons, so I fully support him tweeting them that. Idol’s ratings have been ddecreasing for years because that is what happens to shows after awhile, their ratings decrease. No other show has the longevity that idol has had at being #1, so to me that says there wasn’t anything wrong with the format.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    Here are last night’s final ratings from tvbythenumbers:

    Atypical for this season, but American Idol saw no adjustment with adults 18-49. However, it was adjusted up with total viewers to 16.1 million, a bit higher than The Voice for the week.

    8:00 FOX American Idol 8-10p 5.1/14 16.10

  • Allison

    I’m totally over seeing people get the news whether they made it or not from the judges. They have this whole overblown setting [around a pool?!] – it’s comical, not suspenseful. they pretend you’re out, but you’re in. So predictable. They could eliminate the whole process. Just go down a row and tell each person straight out yes or no. Save 3 hrs of uselessness.

  • Tess

    Not to be trite but people do watch the 3 hrs of uselessness so some 16 million people don’t think it is all bad. I always find it humorous when we tend to think our ideas will save a TV show, the nation, or the World.  If I was that smart I’d be a producer making 7 figures a year or at least a politician.

  • Nele621

    I’m betting many of those 16 million people don’t like the green mile either.  Unfortunately 99.9% of the people with the good ideas just don’t have the means, power, etc. to save a show, good ideas or not.

  • Anonymous

    People talk about people “catching on the wgwg winners,” but Scotty and David Cook could not be more different. I wouldn’t even put Scotty in the same category as them-they are all soft rock. Even if Haley or Lauren won last year, ratings would still be down.

    And it’s too soon to say if the judges aren’t judging this year-they were actually pretty constructive last night.

  • Anonymous

    They are not similiar in style, production or in outcome, but they are similiar in that audience members watch them to see people manipulated in various situations, just as they do Big Brother and other reality shows.

    There is a gladiator mentality in our country and reality TV plays to the heart of it.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    Idol has been one big bore the last few seasons. That’s my opinion of course, but it’s just getting boring. Like this season for example. No one has stood out to me at all, and I see people commenting on how “amazing” some of the performances have been already. I’m like what? That’s why pop music is where it’s at today, because people settle for mediocrity. That’s changing thank god. American Idol is becoming just that, mediocre. 

  • Anonymous

    Oh and idol is still by far the biggest show on FOX. They aren’t canceling anytime soon, otherwise FOX would start to lose pretty much every night. So who knows, maybe it won’t be the number 1 show soon, but it’s still a money maker for FOX.

  • Anonymous

    “Well the problem with the WGWG winner is because of the voters. What can producers do to change that?”
    Putting through a more ethnically diverse slate of contestants would be a start. Yes, the WGWG might still wind up a winner but at least he would be challenged by women who didn’t all basically look (and in most cases sound) like Miss America contestants and/or African-American males or Latinos who didn’t project a ” deemed safe enough for middle America” vibe.

    On the four years I’ve watched AI recaps I have been consistantly dismayed to see very talented men and women go by the wayside just because they weren’t TV ready for a close-up. (there is always the David Cook make-over) Crystal was a huge exception to this, but unfortunately she was stuck in the most boring season one could imagine. A season that probably would not have been so boring if producers had trumpted a more diverse and talented group of contestants. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Who had the stupid idea of having whether Adam made it or not a
    cliff-hanger? Are they for real? Is there some study they did that
    showed that people care what happens to him? Because, I’m not seeing the
    Adam chatter on this blog.”

    ^^^ Just confounded me.  Of all of the people to use for a cliff-hanger….Adam?  WTF?  Adam has zero interest on other Idol boards and although he seems to be a nice guy, I forget about anything that he’s sung almost immediately after he’s finished singing.

  • Kylee

    Ahh, I remember it being a foregone conclusion last year in the idol bubble that Paul or Casey would win.

  • tinawina

    As much fun as I have had participating in this convo, I do have to point out that after the initial drop at the start of the season, idol has actually held on pretty decently up until yesterday. Things really could go back up next week. I think it’s really more of a wait and see type thing at this point. It’s probably too soon to declare this the worst most boring season ever. :)

  • Anonymous

    I think they lost some viewers to The Voice. Some people are not going to invest themselves in watching 2 similar shows. This said, I think once the blind auditions are done, some will get back to the idol live shows which are > than The Voice’s ones. So I think better ratings are to be expected on the AI live shows

  • Kylee

    The green mile episode has been historically low:

    Season 7-24.7, 9.8(their lowest rated episode to date and down from 26.2 and 10.5 from the previous week)
    Season 9-18.6, 7.0(Down from 25 million and 9.5 the previous week)
    Season 10-21.76, 7.2(Lowest episode to date for that season)

    So while it isn’t too worrisome due to the historic lows on the other seasons, we should hang on to our hats for tomorrow’s ratings, because I have a feeling they will be worse. Then we can talk about more how its no longer number 1 :) Until next week at least.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Really?  I don’t remember it like that at all.  lol

  • Anonymous

    Some might, but then again some might watch AI to see the drama. AI has its own share of playing to the gladiator mentality. The producers love to capture the all the tears and the drama on camera. AI sure does love those backstories. Who can forget when the wheeled the brain damaged fiancee of one of the contestants into the audition room?

    I watch the three shows I mentioned to see talented people compete. It’s exciting to see what creations the designers will come up with on PR, what types of pictures the models take on TM, and the amazing choreography that the dancers perform on SYTYCD. These are shows where the contestants have been working towards their goals for years, just like AI ot The Voice. With very few exceptions, most of the contestants on SYTYCD have been dancing everyday for 10-15 years and the designers on PR have graduated from an accredited College of Design.

    Shows like Big Brother are in an entirely different category.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t either! lol
    I knew Scotty was going to win by the time we got to the final 13!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah exactly, this season has actually held up pretty well in the 5.5-6.1 range and total viewers in the 18-19 million range. Besides the superbowl episode, idol’s Wednesday averages have been better than the voice and it’s still consistently beating it in total viewers(including last night). Hopefully this is just the green mile dip and things will return to normal next week :)

  • Anonymous

    “Some might, but then again some might watch AI to see the drama. AI has its own share of playing to the gladiator mentality. The producers love to capture the all the tears and the drama on camera. AI sure does love those backstories. Who can forget when the wheeled the brain damaged fiancee of one of the contestants into the audition room? ”

    ITA that AI plays into the gladiator mentality and I was one of the first people to jump off the Chris Medina bandwagon because I believe he went along with it hook line and sinker.

    Again, I generally watch  only the performances of AI contestants (not any judges comments) during recaps. I have caught SYTYCD and even Project Runway in similar clips from time to time. I do think they are very talented in what they do, but I do not think that is why the majority of people watch. If they did, I think they would become invested enough to suport them – especially AI contestants where it is easiest – after the show is over. Otherwise, gladiator or at best schadenfreude.

  • Anonymous

    So, the millions of people who watch AI and don’t buy CDs at the end of the season have a gladiator mentality or are watching for the malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others?

    A majority of viewers watch singing shows and other talent competitions for the entertainment value. They enjoy watching what talented contestants come up with from week to week.

  • Anonymous

    Parts of the season have still been boring, but you are right that the season to season drops have been high, but week to week the show has been very stable.  And as you are someone else said earlier, AI may not be the number
    1 show in terms of viewers or demo this year, but it will still be safely in the top 5.  

    That being said, they rest of the season needs to shape up, because while the ratings are fine this year, if this case continues to be as bland as the season 9 people, next season’s ratings are going to be bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Corn/100001659368831 Laura Corn

    I felt like I was being manipulated last year every time I tuned into Idol.   It was so total a non-surprise when Scotty won.  I would have been floored if he hadn’t.   This fan manipulation was even more apparent than on the X Factor, and that is saying a lot. 

  • Anonymous

    Watching a gladiator contest was entertainment for the later day Romans as well :)

    People like to see other people manipulated. They like the drama. They like to watch and/or feel superior.  Many posts here and elsewhere long for the day when judges were meaner and the back stories grittier. Certainly Project Runway and Top Model thrive on the competition and back biting between the contestants. Face Off, which my husband watches, does as well.

    But again, even if that were not true, it is MY HUMBLE OPINION that watching people have their lives played with on national T.V. without giving a care about them later is a type of gladiator mentality, yes.

    It isn’t as though these were performers on the Grammys or a late night talk show. They have something really at stake when they are performing. Audience members, or judges, get to decide their fate. Again gladiator mentality.

    It isn’t some new phenom, its been around since the Romans (if not before) and it exists in some form in every thing from game shows to sporting matches. I guess it is a basic human desire.

    But you and I can agree to disagree on this one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    Everyone knew that Scotty was going to win.  All you had to do was check out Dialdol.  Last year was one of those years where their predictions were right on.  Scotty took off from the top 24 and never looked back.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    So if XF is all about the judges – how come they are having
    careers after the show?

    They are? A few have been signed but the careers have barely begun, if they *do* begin.

  • Anonymous

    “I felt like I was being manipulated last year every time I tuned into Idol.   It was so total a non-surprise when Scotty won.  I would have been floored if he hadn’t.   This fan manipulation was even more apparent than on the X Factor, and that is saying a lot. ”

    Except for the fact that the producers tried very, very hard to make it a Lauren win. She got sympathetic editing and backstories ( she was sick or hurt, but “Oh, isn’t that cute?”) Nice packaging (and excuses) when she went to her hometown visit but toured tornado victims instead of singing, had Stephen and Nigel proclaiming her the “Chosen One” from the very beginning and had a last minute backstage drama about her laryngitis. (Will she sing or will Haley take her place?, isn’t she so brave for singing at this point?” etc., etc, etc.)

    I do know one or two people who are not watching this year because they got mad at the final with all the pro-Lauren stuff come to think of it.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, so, let me get this straght. Idol ratings are down this season. So it’s David Cook and Kris Allen’s fault, from 4 years and 3 years ago. LOL. Come on.

    Anyhow, I talked to someone today who told me he and his girlfriend were done with Idol this season – Casey Abrams fan. Strangly, he didn’t mention any past winners, not even Scotty, he just said that they like the Voice better, and “Idol is over.”

    Btw, the winners are only the winners in the last few minutes of the whole season. You need a great season of great entertainment, suspense, excitement, and great music to make people want to watch again next year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    I dont think they are willing to make the changes needed.   The changes they will make will be all cosmetic like they did last year

  • http://twitter.com/DorkAngel Goboywonder

     I’m surprised that people don’t realize that that is part of the manipulation. Simon Cowell once said they always get the winner they want.  It’s all manipulated from beginning to end.

  • Anonymous

    who on XFactor is having a career? Chris Rene is the only one who even has music out, and his song just got sent to radio this past week. Way to soon to say whether any of them will have a career. 

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Nina Korol

    I stopped watching Idol when they ignored the winner who people voted for and began shamelessly promoting the guy who lost.  They demonstrated that they don’t care about my opinion, therefore, I stopped caring about the show.  Now I am very happy that they are tanking! I hope they remember that America is never wrong. Never! 

  • Anonymous

    I think the continued drop in ratings if no surprise. I’m one of those Idol fans who stopped watching the audition shows several years ago and at this point in time, is really not interested in any of the contestants. The only thing that I can say for sure about this show, is that the judges will love everybody and a white guy will win in the end. It’s so predictable and so very boring. If I see another sweet, kind, perfect, All-American boy next door win again, I will throw my shoe at the television. Come on Idol, can’t you find people with some type of edge or someone who can deliver some great performances on this show. At this point, it doesn’t matter who win, just wow me every once in a while. When was the last time this show actually had a contestant that delivered a performance, that people actually talked about. I give up, this show is dead in the water.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Nina Korol

    Heartless comes to mind as a performance people are still talking about.

  • Anonymous

    your last paragraph says it all. You have to have entertainment. And we want to see growth.. We want to see these kids get better and better and eventually have a performance or two that blows us away. Even though I enjoyed last year, there weren’t any of those moments for me and not a lot of growth arts. Kelly C gave us those s1, Ruben and Clay s2, Fantasia in s3, Chris in his season, Carrie and Bo in their season.  Season 7 had that from Archie, David,Cook.  Season 8 had that with Adam Lambert.  I don’t recall any watercooler performances from s9 or s10.  I hope we get some of those this year. Hopefully if the “producers” like Jimmy Iovine are not so heavy handed, we may get some of those.

  • Anonymous

    i agree. the battel rounds are really inane.  I watched them a couple of weeks and then gave up. I don’t recall what happened after that.  I don’t think I tuned back in until top 4 or somethngs. 

  • Anonymous

    America is wrong many times when it comes to voting for the most talented one.  That is the problem and that is why they shamelessly promote the more talented one.  Voting is as much or more about getting their sweet little “role model” who is safe and boring.  Why should they promote the one who is not going to sell albums just because he won? Winning and selling albums do not always go together and money is the bottom line.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not America, its viewers of Idol who vote. Big diff. Voters don’t even make up a large % of watchers and from what I’ve read that group voters has gotten more oldwr and concervative over the years so sometimes the after show results don’t match.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t been able to get into idol this year but I love the voice. It just seems fresh and the singers seem more real, especially the girls.

  • iani

    Hope the show holds around 18 mil. viewers for the rest of the season and not falling  under 16 mil.

    “Maybe X Factor and The Voice have damaged Idol. They have shown how dull AI has become.” -Cathy Knott

    AI might be a dull, less polished show, the concept of it has been, from the beginning, to find someone with some musical talent from a group of ordinary singers and it’s great to see talents improving during the show, eventually a more talented(or more) contestant going crescendo towards the finale, as from Nobody(status) to Somebody(one). I love to see “live” their raw talents or clumsiness, something to search or feel through TV-set. I don’t like XF-format, nothing against the singing part though; I kind of like TV “blind auditions”, but nothing exciting, I watch it only for the entertainment factor. For me AI is more like searching for the “rough gem”, TV is  more “polish the gem” with so many pretty professional contestants and I don’t like “polishing”, it’s “all or nothing” for me and the show is in between, pretty bland; XF-is still in ” how to get eventually a gem” position, the show is not so ready yet …
    Bad AI judging and voting systems?! I absolutely ignore both of them, the judging part because what I consider is more important than what they try “not to say” and “the voting” because it has come more like a source of money for the show and it has proved that some idols can as well get label-contracts and succeed without winning the show.

  • Anonymous

    That was way back in season 8 and it’s season 11 now. Where were the great performances in season 9 and 10? There wasn’t any, you had a lot of people who did enough to get by.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    My thoughts are currently viewers are not invested on contestants yet; maybe once they do then there’ll be constant avid viewers.  As for me I watch not particularly for the contestants but more for the show itself.  Hence a good piece of production might be more attractive to me to sit and watch from start to end.  AI needs to re-invent itself to pull in new viewers and to sustain the old ones like me.

  • Anonymous

    A lot of people still talk about some of Haley’s performances. Season 10 was better than season 8 IMO.

  • Anonymous

    Because winning is everything right? I never got those who give up on watching due to the winner. What if your favorite who lost still gets signed and is still successful? In the end, it doesn’t really matter.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t the “most talented one” personally subjective? “America” can’t be wrong as a whole since it is made up of individual voters who vote for who they like best, not for whom they think will be the most commercially viable, which btw, is not necessarily the most talented. 

    The whole premise of the show was to vote for your favorite singer to win! What’s the purpose otherwise?

  • Tera2

    Why is it saying its tuesday’s ratings on this thread topic.  I thought idol was only on wednesday and thursday this week.  I didn’t watch on tuesday,  and I hate when they do idol on non regular days and I miss it.

  • Kylee

    Most people don’t pay attention to dial idol.

  • Anonymous

    Winning isn’t everything, because this show is not about winning. It’s a platform to get noticed. Because there is no guarantees of success whether you when or lose. Just because you win, don’t mean your the best and just because because you don’t win, don’t mean the person who did win was better. It’s a popularity contest and being a sweet, kind, boring, white male is a great advantage on this show. As for people still talking about Haley’s performances, are probably her fans. People have to remember you to talk about you. 

  • hcpoirot

    Now all of idol rating rest on the Top 24. If 5-6 of them can sing and entertained us like s10, Idol still can bounced back. But if the top 12/13 filled with the same type singers (lots of diva belter, male playing instruments) , Idol will be lucky to hang with these numbers.

    And yes not to mention The Big bang Theory become funnier and funnier .

    The sad and irony part of idol is they paid tons and tons of money to the 3 judges and right now the judges did SQUAT alias ZERO effort try to be more interesting in the judging panel.

    They just say the same old compliments, some critics and thats it.

    They got paid the most combined, but they didnot do their job well.

    At least Ryan Seacrest still did his job pretty good compare to the judges.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    OK so I can be partially blamed for WGWG votes for a few seasons. But last year I made an honest effort to look at others, LOL. I voted like crazy for Haley till she left, and then switched to Lauren. I hope this year that voters will take a serious look at the men who don’t fit this bill as well as some of the ladies who are very talented.