American Idol is down 10 percent from last week. The good news is that, airing opposite basketball, it won the demo for the hour. Glee stays even with last week, but lost audience in the second half hour.

ETA: This article assessing Idol’s ratings free fall from Entertainment Weekly is sobering. “But Idol is dropping nearly every week and last night was down 50 percent from its Thursday night premiere this season … and that’s scary.” Idol was down 33% from the comparable episode last season.

Via TVByTheNumbers

On FOX, American Idol scored a 2.8 adults 18-49 rating, down 10 percent from last week’s 3.1. Glee earned a 2.0 adults 18-49 rating even with last week.

8:00

FOX American Idol 2.8/9 11.65
ABC Wife Swap – Season Premiere 1.7/5 5.00
CBS 2013 NCAA Basketball Tournament (8-11PM) – Live 1.6/5 4.70
CW The Vampire Diaries 1.2/4 2.55
NBC Community 1.1/4 3.02

8:30

NBC 1600 Penn 0.9/3 2.54

9:00

ABC Grey’s Anatomy 2.9/8 9.11
FOX Glee 2.0/6 5.89
NBC The Office – R 0.9/2 2.31
CW Beauty And The Beast 0.7/2 1.77

9:30

NBC 1600 Penn 0.8/2 2.29

10:00

ABC Scandal 2.7/8 8.57
NBC Law & Order: SVU – R 1.1/3 4.22

Half Hour Breakdown by Marc Berman

8:00 p.m.

ABC – Wife Swap (season premiere)
Viewers: 4.80 million (#3), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#3)

CBS – NCAA Basketball: Second-Round Games
Viewers: 5.79 million (#2), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#2)

NBC – Community
Viewers: 3.02 million (#4), A18-49: 1.1/ 4 (#5)

Fox – American Idol
Viewers: 10.86 million (#1), A18-49: 2.6/ 9 (#1)

CW – The Vampire Diaries
Viewers: 2.63 million (#5), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#4)

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8:30 p.m.

ABC – Wife Swap (season premiere)
Viewers: 5.21 million (#3), A18-49: 1.8/ 5 (#3)

CBS – NCAA Basketball: Second-Round Games
Viewers: 6.41 million (#2), A18-49: 2.2/ 7 (#2)

NBC – 1600 Penn
Viewers: 2.54 million (#4), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#5)

Fox – American Idol
Viewers: 12.45 million (#1), A18-49: 3.0/ 9 (#1)

CW – The Vampire Diaries
Viewers: 2.48 million (#5), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#4)

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9:00 p.m.

ABC – Grey’s Anatomy
Viewers: 8.99 million (#1), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#1)

CBS – NCAA Basketball: Second-Round Games
Viewers: 5.07 million (#3), A18-49: 1.6/ 5 (#3)

NBC – The Office (R)
Viewers: 2.31 million (#4), A18-49: 0.9/ 2 (#4)

Fox – Glee
Viewers: 6.51 million (#2), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#2)

CW – Beauty and the Beast
Viewers: 1.74 million (#5), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#5)

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9:30 p.m.

ABC – Grey’s Anatomy
Viewers: 9.22 million (#1), A18-49: 2.9/ 8 (#1)

CBS – NCAA Basketball: Second-Round Games
Viewers: 4.34 million (#3), A18-49: 1.5/ 4 (#3)

NBC – 1600 Penn
Viewers: 2.29 million (#4), A18-49: 0.8/ 2 (#4)

Fox – Glee
Viewers: 5.28 million (#2), A18-49: 1.8/ 5 (#2)

CW – Beauty and the Beast
Viewers: 1.81 million (#5), A18-49: 0.7/ 2 (#5)

———-

10:00 p.m.

ABC – Scandal
Viewers: 8.63 million (#1), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#1)

CBS – NCAA Basketball: Second-Round Games
Viewers: 3.71 million (#3), A18-49: 1.4/ 4 (#2)

NBC – Law & Order: SVI (R)
Viewers: 3.80 million (#2), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#3)

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10:30 p.m.

ABC – Scandal
Viewers: 8.51 million (#1), A18-49: 2.7/ 8 (#1)

CBS – NCAA Basketball: Second-Round Games
Viewers: 2.89 million (#3), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#3)

NBC – Law & Order: SVI (R)
Viewers: 4.64 million (#2), A18-49: 1.2/ 3 (#2)

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

 
  • Joseph

    Cue same comments as last week in 3…2…1…

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    I’m shocked that basketball did so poorly. CBS pays big bucks for the rights and they would have done better with a Big Bang rerun.

  • jennyl2

    Glee is holding. I just wish they will announce the new season already.

  • curly_yenta

    Down another 10%, eh…….. ? Trouble in River City, Nigel! LOL

  • Axxxel

    I thought Season 5 was already approved ?

  • quickjessie

    Look for basketball to go up in the ratings next week.

  • Hazehel

    I think it will be hard to avoid this, but this will be the worst season ever rating-wise for the 18-49 demo. There has never been a season where the ratings have dropped so much (over 50%) if you discount the special episodes (for example Idol Gives Back etc.), except in Season 3 where the drop was caused by a change in schedule in one week and they shifted the days the show was broadcast. If we go by past seasons, we won’t see the lowest rated show for a few weeks yet, so we can expect it to fall even further. The Big Bang Theory wasn’t even on last night, so it’s looking really grim. This is X-Factor number.

    I’m not sure if there is any way to rescue this season, and I suppose the tour this year will be the worst attended one. Everything is entirely predictable when you don’t select contestants the core audience like, and it does look like its core audience has abandoned the show in droves.

  • jennyl2

    Last I checked from news site, it’s not official yet.

  • sue

    OMG this is horrible! In the 2′s now. This is the lowest idol has ever been. I am so sad. :( I guess the Voice is the new top dog. Too many changes this season on idol and the contestants are so boring. Nigel and company screwed up casting this group. Yes the girls are talented but a bit dull at times. Casey’s performance last night was better than anything this season. Plus they needed wildcards. They should of kept Charlie, Kez Ban, Zoanette, Brenna and some hotter guys or some damn rockers. The rocker guy from Hollywoood, Gabe (I think that was his name), would of been great on the show. I am so bored with the guys left except maybe Burnell but that is it. Why is idol trying so hard? They had such a great formula. Oh well….:( :( :( Plus why are they pulling out ancient themes that have been done better by previous seasons? Can’t they have an upbeat contemporary theme? I am so frustrated with idol and Nigel. Does he want idol to fail? Ok I’m done with my venting… Carry on……lols…..

  • itsalleternal

    Ouch for CBS more than anything! Those kind of ratings versus even reruns of their Thursday lineup have to make them mad – probably might want to move basketball to cable.
    But Fox cannot be happy at all – those lost viewers did NOT turn to Idol, they just tuned out!

  • itsalleternal

    Is there any chance Idol falls into the 1s before the season is out?

  • hcpoirot

    Even without TBBT and Two Men and a Half, Idol falling further. The contestants are so boring that the viewers didnot even bother to watch the results now. Thats the karma for trying so hard to ensure a girl will win this season and really ruin the whole season. Season 12 will be remembered as the worst season EVER and I doubt who ever win this season will get a career closed to Scotty or P2.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Well, I personally enjoy this season much more than the last three seasons combined. Girls are fantastic. Guys are a joke, but they don’t matter. Themes are boring, the band makes everything sound old …

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=195101108 Stefan Wind

    This news is bitter sweet for me. It’s sweet, because I’m glad this is happening after the blatant manipulation and cut of worthy contestants, because they didn’t fit who Idol or Interscope wanted to win.
    But it’s also bitter, because the tv show I’ve loved for over 9 years maybe falling so far where it’ll NEVER be the same again. Oh well. The only two people who can be blamed for all this is Nigel and Ken.

  • curly_yenta

    Look for at least single digit millions AND 1.something before this year is over.

  • curly_yenta

    Somewhere, Season 9 is smiling. ;)

  • hcpoirot

    And Simon Cowell X Factor US will had a fourth season after Idol rating and viewers are now close to X Factor last year rating and viewers. Who will predict this when they hired Mariah, Keith and Nicki and say this will be the BEST season EVER of Idol. LOL

  • itsalleternal

    Notice that Grey’s Anatomy beat Idol in the demo, and The Scandal came close as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1818332757 Seth McHale

    The need to drop the Motown theme this week. Instead, tell the kids to start picking songs that define who they are as artists and get the licensing (which they can recoup from single sales). The furthest the songs should be going back is the birth year of the Idols.

    Have a week, where it is impossible to do ballads. Make the kids do EDM and force them outside of their shells. Clearly, the ballads aren’t working for everyone. I know this is where some of them shine, but watching two hours of ballads makes it a chore.

    Do the kids a favor and hire a songwriting team and begin working with the remaining contestants and have the top 5 debut a song they wrote with a professional. You give the kids and edge after Idol and have an original song they can promote and sing on tour.

    If Idol wants to be different, then they need to start switching things up. Otherwise the ratings will just keep dropping. To boost their viewer numbers, live stream the results show on the Idol website so those on the West Coast still tune in and use that their advantage. The can have coke advertisements or whatever pop up on their live feed during standard commercial breaks.

    Oh, I know none of this will ever happen, but I figure it is worth putting out to the world.

  • Incipit

    If Season 9 is smiling, so is 3 and 6 – because 12 didn’t escape the pattern – although it looked for a little bit like it would. But then they changed when voting started, and finally announced the hamsters – after a lot of people had lost interest in ever getting to the vote…and it all went downhill from there.

    TPTB were so determined to only allow the cast that ‘they’ wanted – took them a while to notice – the audience mostly didn’t. Want them.

    Oh well, this season closes the 10,11,12 cycle – and the pattern still holds. Shorthand: one great season, one good season, one bad season. Can’t wait for the explanatory editorials in May. They can start the rough drafts now. IMO.

  • curly_yenta

    But Idol does not want to be different. That’s the main problem. Every time a contestant pops up that dares to take a different road, they either don’t get promoted or they get ignored. The whole premise of the show is to find a pop star that blends into the existing banal pop landscape and in Idol’s quest to do that, they have produced badly represented and low selling winners, except for the 2 glory girls. Thus, this is the result. People are abandoning ship.

  • shell29

    For me season 9 is still the worst but season 12 is giving it a run for it’s money! This season’s summer tour is going to be so dead…the ticket sales will be horrible.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I really enjoyed Season 9. It was the winner that I didn’t enjoy. Season 10 was fine, but I had no desire to see the Concert tour.

  • John M

    I feel like I don’t understand some of the language that gets thrown around. As a tv watcher, why should it be sobering or scary that idols ratings are low, or on the flip side why would I be happy or think it was sweet the ratings are low? If the show is cancelled, I will just do something else with my time. The show has been on the air for 11 years, it wasn’t going to last forever. There was life before idol, and there will be life after too haha.

  • shell29

    TPTB has always manipulated things to produce a desired outcome and I’ve never known them to be subtle about it. They cast for a certain type every season-it just so happens that if you’re a WG this is NOT your year. This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone when we had the 5th WG in a row win last season! Of course they were going to stack the deck in such a way that there was no chance for a 6th WG winner. It’s just funny to me (and this isn’t directed to you Incipit even though I’m replying to your post) that so many are up in arms about heavy handed producer manipulation this season when it has been a part of this show for years.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    You do have a point. I used to have so much fun following Idol. I haven’t truly enjoyed the show since Season 8. I guess you can compare it to a drug habit. At first you got an awesome high, then it wasn’t good enough to get you that same high, then you just keep doing it out of habit until you get to the point where it’s making you physically ill and you’re just about ready for re-hab. Or a new kind of fix. Take your pick.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Well, if Idol’s serious about pursuing a pop star at all costs, job one should be to clear current pop music so we-the-audience can get a feel for how these singers would sound as pop stars.

    So yeah, something needs to change. Themes and song list would be high on my list.

    Anyway, many of the non-pop types did great with their debut albums, so it’s not like XFUSA or The Voice, where winners don’t appear to build much of an audience on the show. Performance of the second album is an issue that has more to do with label, management, and the radio industry than with Idol.

  • nyc57

    Announcing the top 3 has ruined the results show.Why bother watching now.Does anyone really care which guy goes home next week,whether Devin will go home top 7 or 8.

  • Miz

    I’m really amazed by Grey’s Anatomy’s performance. That show has been on forever.

  • http://twitter.com/bbmetsfan andy

    Never thought I’d see Idol in the 2′s. Depressing.

  • taylor

    They didn’t announce the top 3 last night.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I agree 100%.

  • Larc

    I think FOX has to share some of the blame since they evidently controlled the setup of this season more than past ones. But heavily stacking the deck with guys who are barely adequate to ensure a girl wins will likely bite Idol and FOX in their collective ass. And deservedly so.

  • taylor

    That is the language of an addict. lol

    Most viewers watch Idol for other reasons than some sort of “awesome high”. There are other singing/dance/reality/competition shows to watch or people have moved on to other shows on the multitude of channels offered now. Most people simply watch the shows that they enjoy. When they stop enjoying a certain show, they stop. The majority of viewers aren’t addicted to any one show and they don’t watch tv for some kind of “fix”.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    But who are they trying to please with the current “cast?”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TP6FDKZWZZOESHA5DCZVTU24T4 JasonG

    With this rating, do you think FOX will decide to end Idol this year and move the X-Factor to AI’s spot next year to compete with the voice? I think FOX will probably fire the producers and get rid of the judges except for Keith and maybe Randy. I can see them trying to get J.Lo or Paula back on the show if there is a season 13. Also expect a major budget cut for the show.

  • John M

    Did you think that Idol and Fox deserved to be bitten in the ass for seasons like 2 and 8 that were stacked for guys to win?

  • taylor

    Pop star? If Idol is trying to find a pop star, what are all those country folks doing on this show since season two? 30% of the top 10 this year identified themselves as country artists.
    They promoted all the winners and runners-up, with the exceptions of a small handful. The large majority of winners and runners up have gone on to have platinum singles and albums. Many of those have dared to be different, very different! The signed contestants have fallen under various genres of music, from CCM, Country, triple A, Rock, Pop, HAC to Dance Pop.

  • windmills

    Seth McHale: Do the kids a favor and hire a songwriting team and begin working with the remaining contestants and have the top 5 debut a song they wrote with a professional. You give the kids and edge after Idol and have an original song they can promote and sing on tour.

    FWIW Kree’s already got a viable set of songs cowritten pre-Idol with some Nashville pros. ‘You Would’ve Wanted It That Way’ (which the blog featured here) was cowritten by Natalie Hemby (who cowrote Miranda Lambert’s White Liar, Little Big Town’s Pontoon, and Lady Antebellum’s Downtown) and Trent Dabbs (who cowrote Undermine which was featured on the ABC show Nashville). Kree’s brother in law is an established songwriter named Trey Bruce, who’s cowritten a few #1 hits and also cowrote Carrie Underwood’s I Ain’t In Checotah Anymore. Kree’s cowritten a few songs with him, and she’s also cowritten with Ashley Monroe.

    So, Kree’s probably got a pretty good head start on the rest of the finalists in that respect, though Angela Miller’s original has also gotten some major pimpage.

    We already know that 19 starts looking for songs well in advance once they have an idea of how the votes are looking. So, I bet 19′s going to start the A&R stuff for this season before too long. Interscope/19 nailed P2′s coronation song last year. Hopefully this year they can nail more than 1 coronation song and give several of this year’s finalists the start they need.

  • standtotheright

    I think the media incentives to cover television have given the impression that most TV viewers are active TV viewers. And it may actually be the case that social media has spurred more engagement *with some shows*. But the people who post in forums or even tweet extensively about TV are still in the minority. TV shows aren’t just competing with a bigger universe of options, they’re competing with all the other forms of entertainment that one can find in the internet box.

  • windmills

    XFactor is in far worse shape than AI. It did worse ratings-wise and has the albatross of 2 out of 2 poorly received seasons with no viable stars coming from either hanging around its neck.

    There’s zero chance of FOX ending AI this year while keeping XFactor.

  • mjsbigblog

    “Sober” and “Scary” are just figure of speeches, not meant to be taken so seriously. We bloggers need a little hyperbole to get the juices flowing.

    Having said that, if the show tanks any further, ya’ll are gonna have to figure out a new spot to fuss and fight. If I can’t pick up traffic via the other reality shows I cover, it’s adios for me.

  • Larc

    I think Idol needs judges who are at least as qualified as those on The Sing-Off. Put highly knowledgeable judging ability ahead of celebrity. And fire everybody who had anything to do with casting contestants for this season.

  • Incipit

    Of course they were going to stack the deck in such a way that there was no chance for a 6th WG winner.

    Well, If “of Course” was understood, what took them so long? Six years later, they noticed? No, I think this season is the most Heavy Handed I’ve seen, although I think they’ve been trying to stack the deck intermittently since Season 9 – with all those Girls with Guitars and Singer/songwriters and folk vibe – and Cowell sabotaged that one.But it took them this long to try again? That’s not an “Of Course”. IMO. TPTB may have been thinking that the Country Year didn’t count, even after they couldn’t make Lauren happen. (Sorry Nigel) – - because it wasn’t the guitar, just the guy – and they had some restrictions on instrument use, it appeared…but I guess even the guy was too much. Last year, they didn’t even try for a female winner – they eliminated Candice before the voting rounds, this year she’s the front of the pack – they didn’t use any of the tools at their disposal to manipulate the audience away from voting for the eventual winner – and they could have, very easily. I can iterate every lost opportunity, starting w/cutting Candice. And all the judges destructive little digs were against the women in the cast. All I can figure there is that Iovine exercised his option – and said NO. Interscope can make money here because of the music trends…too bad if this is your 6th guy in a row. Suck it up til next year.Well, it’s ‘next year’, and the manipulation of TPTB has always been with us, (though it doesn’t always get them what they want) but it has never cut out the core audience’s main preference before or screwed so heavily with the early voting – so of course the audience has noticed, and reacted. That’s Just My Opinion, Of Course.

  • Hazehel

    Shorthand: one great season, one good season, one bad season

    Two good seasons, one bad season is more accurate I think (hard to claim that Season 4 is greater than Season 5 for example, and Season 7 and 8 fans might contest which one is the better).

    I do wonder if this season can get so bad that Fox might decide to cancel it. End of the cycle perhaps?

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    The same young music fans whom they’re absolutely not going to attract by their current efforts at pushing the themes, song lists, and arrangements toward Lite FM.

    There’s an enormous disconnect between the show’s purported mission to go after younger viewers (evidenced by judging panel) and what it’s allowing/encouraging the singers to do.

    (Every week a couple singers give some push-back against the tide of easy listening, but I suspect those singers could manage to be interesting with more novel and timely themes, too.)

  • HopeForMusic

    I’m sad, too about Idol’s declining ratings, but not surprised. Obviously, Nickie did not bring the stampede of younger fans that they were going for, and perhaps has contributed to some of the faithful losing interest. Maybe I’m wrong, but she is so full of herself and insincere, and shows no respect for her colleagues on the panel, that sometimes it’s uncomfortable to watch.

    I know that a lot won’t agree with me, but I also think that Interscope and Jimmy have not helped matters. Jimmy is concerned with a marketable winner, and is basing much on that goal, which does not necessarily make for interesting television. He seems like a super control freak to me, and does not encourage any type of artistic growth or individuality or creativity. Remember how frustrated they were last year about what P2 wore? Who really cares that much?! I don’t see either Season 7 or Season 8 going down the way they did under Jimmy’s watchful eye, and those seasons may not have the most successful winners, but for me as a whole, they were so much fun!!! Both seasons had such a variety of contestants who were not afraid to venture out in their own artistic direction, and it was interesting.
    I’m frustrated, and discouraged about the way things are going. I love Idol, and where I live in Canada, I do not know one soul who also watches. Despite this, as MJ says, I love this cheesy show, but even I am tempted to abandon ship what with the annoying Nicki and Jimmy, and the very dull cast of contestants this year.

  • Reflects On Life

    Agreeing with shell29. Just because this season is engineered not to have a WGWG winner does NOT mean every freaking other season wasn’t engineered with a heavy hand to have the planned outcome of that particular year. Why was almost every good singer on S9 an indie-type? Is it because every other singer who wasn’t indie already had paying gigs, thank you very much? Why did S8 only have 1 female in the top 10 who could carry a tune? Didn’t that strike people as a bit unnatural? It’s so funny how people can explain all the manipulations of prior seasons away, but this season is suddenly considered so “blatantly obvious”. Please…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    I really love Idol, but I have to say I’m looking forward to NCIS, the Big Bang theory, and Glee more so than Idol. and I NEVER thought I’d say that. I hope the producers can find a way to save Idol.

    I think the last season I was truly invested 100% was Season 7.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Wow Idol really can’t shake that 3 year pattern can they? Every third year, the audience dislikes the cast. These guys do come across flat as a whole though. Not a whole lot of stage energy this year with only one semi-exception. These girls sure can sing though.

    Frankly I’m exhausted by this show and the accompanying chatter at this point. I’m actually ready for it to end. It’s not joyful to watch or talk about it afterwards. Both are just frustrating to do. All these singing shows can go away. Well, they can keep The Voice though the audition phase, after that IDGAF.

    All I want is my Kree and/or Candice album at this point.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Well, it’s not like we think you are posting somebody else’s opinion here. We all post our opinions here.

  • Hazehel

    How big a drop is the traffic this year? Just curious because judging by the hits on Idol wiki pages, there isn’t a big drop this year compared to last year, so as far as the internet crowd goes, it isn’t that bad. (Of course, the internet crowd is not representative of the viewing public in general.)

  • mjsbigblog

    Traffic is down. And it’s not just me. I’m not sure what you mean by “hits on wiki pages” but that does not sound comparable. A stroll on Alexa would be more helpful to you.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    My God I agree. It’s so annoying. They get a younger demo watching, cast an edgy judge, put some quirkier people through to the top 40, then manage to eliminate most of the people with edge and/or contemporary types before the voting rounds, and make the few who remain sing the boringest oldest themes that ever existed while singing along with The World’s Loungiest Band. S10 they were at least trying to modernize the proceedings. S11 saw a few nods to now. This year we’ve stepped into a timewarp back to S2 Idol. Way to lose all that young eyeball interest, Nigel. Ugh.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    What I mean is … they should stop trying to game the system. Just give us a good variety of 24 contestants to choose from and allow us to vote as soon as possible. If the end boils down to another WGWG, then that’s what the audience wants!

    Plus, encourage the judges to be critical of everyone, not just those who aren’t their pets — which I actually think hasn’t been a huge problem this year — think up some new music themes instead of the same old tired ones, get some guest mentors and get rid of JImmy “as mentor,” and encourage the band to be a little creative instead of so tired and heavy-handed. If you must keep Jimmy, then put him on the judging panel.

    In other words, get back to the formula that worked in Idol’s heyday!

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    but so has idol…

  • emlz

    A few other cable networks already show basketball during March Madness. The cable networks actually had great numbers yesterday, so I think CBS’ bad rating was more indicative of how bad their games were. The cable networks broadcasted some closer games and a couple of upsets. The ratings for CBS will get better.

  • mjsbigblog

    If the end boils down to another WGWG, then that’s what the audience wants

    That’s pretty much where I am at this point. Filling the voting rounds with cannon fodder just to produce a female winner is killing the show. It’s not worth it.

  • thirdtime

    This may sound silly, but could part of it be that once you have had a season of Idol that you thoroughly enjoyed, it seems like a let down after that? I see many comments here about losing interest after their favorite season, some say season 5, some season 8 – for me it was season 10. After watching every season before 10 and having contestants I was interested in but never becoming a hardcore fan of anyone before that, season 10 for some reason struck home with me – all of my favorites came out of that season and it was by far the best season for me, including the judges that year. Ever since then, I can’t seem to get into Idol because season 11 and 12 have paled in comparison for me. But then again I’m sure there are some people who will say season 11 was their favorite year while I found it boring. Maybe that could be part of the reason Idol’s ratings always seem take a dive after hit seasons? Just a thought.

  • Mateja Praznik

    But watching the season unfold in which the girls are slaughtered by average white dudes isn’t entertaining either. What’s the point in watching if the outcome is always the same?

  • standtotheright

    although I think they’ve been trying to stack the deck intermittently since Season 9

    They stacked the deck in S9. The two most accomplished male musicians had very sketchy backstories (juvie, DUI) and they tried to give the latter a “himbo” edit. But Cowell undercut it, as you said. So it’s not like this is in any way new, just less opposed by internal forces.

    At any rate, if the “core audience” only has one main stylistic preference (instrument-playing contestants on the rock-pop axis), why did so many early seasons not even see such finalists in the top two and why did that latter season lose so much in the ratings?

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    I tend to agree with you Mateja… I hardly watched S10 & S11… initially based on the mess and yawn fest that was S9…
    but when I did try and watch S10 & S11 I wasn’t particular inspired by what I saw in terms of contestants, lame judges, same old themes and songs… not to mention the repeated (and often failed) blatant manipulation…
    any changes they made all felt like minor cosmetic tweeks that failed to address the fact that after 10+ years its a old show that feels tired and dull…
    but at least this year with the girls there appears to be some genuine potential with the talent… still a tired and lacklustre format…
    i understand that everything has a shelf life.. but it still amazes me they have not been able to keep the show a little more fresh and interesting…
    I imagine these are some of the reasons why some viewers have switched to other options The Voice or X Factor…

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    I so totally agree. I *want* a female to win and voted for one to win in Seasons 9, 10, and 11, but I don’t want one to win at the expense of the entire show! The viewing experience is far more interesting when you get a variety of contestants who are creative, feisty, have a musical point of view, and aren’t afraid to push back. This year’s turning into the Miss American Idol Pageant, including ubiquitous crying. I’m waiting for them to announce which week is the swimsuit competition!

  • Mateja Praznik

    Yep, that’s it.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    I think that’s not the majority opinion.

  • forwarddad

    Amazing how many people seem to enjoy the decline of Idols ratings. If you don’t enjoy it; don’t watch it.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Well one obvious reason … the contestants weren’t allowed to play instruments back then which dissuaded many of these type of contestants … majority of which were white, male, band types.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    It’s gone from a verbal “competition” between the fan bases of individual idol contestants to a verbal competition between the fans of the various singing shows. Thus, delighting in one show’s “misfortunes” and another show’s seeming ascendency.

  • Mateja Praznik

    How do you know what’s the majority’s opinion?

    The show is old, in dire need of a shake-up that never comes, it’s no wonder the viewers are bored out of their minds.

  • Hazehel

    I’m not sure what you mean by “hits on wiki pages”

    You can see exactly how many visits to any page on wikipedia, these are the ones for January to March 2013 for the Season 12 page –
    http://stats.grok.se/en/201301/American_Idol_(season_12)
    http://stats.grok.se/en/201302/American_Idol_(season_12)
    http://stats.grok.se/en/201303/American_Idol_(season_12)

    Compare to January to March 2012 for the Season 11 page -

    http://stats.grok.se/en/201201/American_Idol_(season_11)
    http://stats.grok.se/en/201202/American_Idol_(season_11)
    http://stats.grok.se/en/201203/American_Idol_(season_11)

    There appear to be more interest in Season 12 in January and February than for Season 11, but not so for March. There’s a big spike for the wildcard/finalist chosen show in Season 11 which is not seen for Season 12, otherwise for the next few weeks in March the numbers are down a bit on average for the two nights (I;m guessing ~15%), and that may indicate that there isn’t as great an interest in the finalists chosen this year. .

    Does Alexa measure direct hits on page or is that only an extrapolation from those who has certain software/spyware?

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I do think that’s some of it for part of the audience. But for me, I find something (or someone) new to like each year generally. However, I feel like I’ve been waiting for this show to change for the better for multiple seasons now. There are several simultaneous ruts going on IMO and we hear talk about how this or that will change each season, but still end up with 12 people of roughly the same types singing the same songs while the judges say the same things with the usual suspects getting the same producer manipulations. And every year, TPTB might get one part right but take 3 steps backwards on the others.

    S10 felt like it really was moving forward to me, I got excited. It wasn’t perfect but it felt fresher and I loved the cast. Then S11 came and while the show did disappoint me in some ways, at least the cast was good again, even if by the end I was disappointed in a lot of things. Now this year, once again they stated out trying something new while simultaneously speeding backwards by leaps and bounds, and frankly I’ve given up hope that this show will ever fundamentally address its flaws (or that the audience will even let them). So I’m spent.

    It’s a shame, because for me this is BY FAR the best format and gives the contestants the closest thing to a real shot at a career.

  • jpfan2

    Down 10% from last week? That seems like a reflection of interest in the contestants. I think putting in so many lame guys was a mistake. I also blame the judges. Their chemistry is horrible and they’re not fun to watch.

  • thirdtime

    Ironic that this will be the worst season for the 18-49 demo, when this is the season they paid big bucks for judges specifically to draw younger viewers in. Major fail.

  • standtotheright

    I don’t buy it. “White, band type males” still auditioned for the show, but the audiences grew even without them making the top three in most seasons. I would argue that the “core audience” at the peak wanted to see a lot of different genres and the real slide started in S9 where the casting didn’t offer that so much.

  • irockhard

    Major fail indeed. Idol is not The Voice, it’s format is designed to focus on the contestants not the judges. If the contestants are lackluster the viewers will get bored and tune out. It doesn’t matter who is on the judging panel.

  • shenanigan

    You want to hear “silly”? I actually get angry trying to watch a bit of Idol, like they are letting us down. This has been a big adventure, a commitment of time and energy and they repay us with deceit, manipulation and so much disappointment. No wonder your traffic is down. It is a painful and bitter experience. And THAT is silly!

  • blackberryharvest

    I find it funny that people were saying the show was “over” after Phillip’s win and said the “5th WGWG” would destroy the show and its ratings. I saw it everywhere-people were saying the show was dead and that girls shouldn’t audition because they don’t have a chance at winning.

    Fast forward to this season and its pretty much guaranteed a girl will win and now people are complaining about “No WGWG!” People even used to complain that the girls never got enough credit when the judges critiqued them and got it harder than the boys. Now its the opposite and people are calling it manipulation.

    Just something funny I noticed.

  • standtotheright

    I’d argue that if the show can’t survive without one season of fodder to clear the decks of default voting patterns, then the entire enterprise isn’t worth it. I thought 10 seasons would be enough back in S8. Competition shows are just like procedural dramas; eventually you can predict the beats before the actors even get there. And at that point it’s time to move on.

  • blackberryharvest

    they have produced badly represented and low selling winners, except for the 2 glory girls.

    All the winners besides Taylor, Lee, and Kris sold 1 million copies of their albums. Most of the winners actually did quite well with their debut.

  • shenanigan

    You know, they not only come across as flat, but for me, for you, for me they are actually unpleasant to watch, sometimes painful and not in a good, dramatic way. I mean, seriously? It is a waste of time.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    How do you know what’s the majority’s opinion?

    Ratings.

  • Madilo

    this is exactly how i feel, i’m so sad to read all the negativity about Idol, i love the show and i love Mj’s site and would not want them to end

  • Mateja Praznik

    The show was never watched by the majority of the Americans.

  • Mateja Praznik

    The show was never watched by the majority of the Americans.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I’m with you standtotheright. I mean if the only choice is to fill the show with a variety of talented people only to watch them go through the motions of a “contest” when we all know who the winner is… I mean, that’s entertaining? Not to me. That’s pretty icky, especially considering the stress these contestants go to and the way the public rips into them. Its a damned if you do/damned if you don’t situation. Honestly I don’t think it’s WGWG as much as it is lack of entertaining people period. They could have cast good boys who were not WGWGs.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I’m with you standtotheright. I mean if the only choice is to fill the show with a variety of talented people only to watch them go through the motions of a “contest” when we all know who the winner is… I mean, that’s entertaining? Not to me. That’s pretty icky, especially considering the stress these contestants go to and the way the public rips into them. Its a damned if you do/damned if you don’t situation. Honestly I don’t think it’s WGWG as much as it is lack of entertaining people period. They could have cast good boys who were not WGWGs.

  • blackberryharvest

    The X Factor is even worse off.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Well, indeed, no show’s ever been watched by the majority of Americans.

  • taylor

    They have always gamed the system. You can’t tell me there wasn’t a single black female contestant the level of Candice or Amber to come through their door in the past three years. They just didn’t put them into the top 24. They didn’t give the audience the choice of voting on a talented black girl the past few seasons. Why wasn’t Candice put through to the voting rounds last season? They didn’t want her put through because they knew she would make it to the final 12.

    The only difference here is the (mostly older) women are pissed because they didn’t get their white young guy holding a guitar to lust over twice a week. What was wrong with a young Asian guy or a young black guy? Why can’t they enjoy the black or Latino guy in the top 10?

    Oh yeah, they aren’t white, so they can’t get behind these guys. They NEED a white guy (who holds a guitar in his hands at some point) to obsess over.

  • EB

    Zero chemistry and as individuals, they are completely ineffectual judges. We could say that about past panels too, but I definitely think one is the least helpful.

    I agree also, that making matters worse is that they chose such duds for male contestants that they give weird, wishy-washy feedback to and/or rake over the coals when necessary for being so terrible, while seemingly forgetting it is they who chose these dudes. In general, everything that pertains to the judges is incredibly annoying and could really be enough to turn a viewer away.

  • windmills

    I expected some level of ratings loss to come with an attempted rebranding, especially with the lack of cute pop/rock HAC-destined guys among the finalists. That can be tolerated IF there are signs of AI picking up some strength in new target audiences, even if that strength isn’t enough to make up for the overall downturn yet. I don’t know if that’s happening though I seem to recall reading here that earlier in the season, the average age of the viewer was down 3 years from 49 to 46, reversing a trend. Has that continued?

    I’d also be curious to know what the DVR+7 ratings do for AI. Are those down too or are they up, and if so, are they compensating for the decline in live viewership? It could just be a situation where people no longer feel compelled to watch AI live, but they are still part of the audience.

    Me, I’m content in the sense that I see the real potential for 3 very successful finalists in 3 different markets: Kree in country, Candice in urban AC and urban, and Angela in CCM if not HAC. Amber seems super marketable too but she doesn’t seem to have enough of a fanbase coming off AI to get signed.

    That being said, AI isn’t making for great TV and I think that’s a major advantage The Voice’s blind auditions have. The Voice’s blind auditions are just better TV. The Voice isn’t any less manipulated than AI though.

    I actually believe we’re getting better judging from the AI judges this year but it’s kind of getting lost in wordiness. The other issue is I feel like there’s something going on with the song clearance budget at AI. These redundant theme weeks make it harder for contestants to convince AI’s core audience that there’s something fresh this season, even if the contestants themselves are fresh. Nigel can tell himself that people love these old songs but we’re past the saturation point with a lot of these songs and it’s negatively affecting AI’s TV appeal.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I think that’s kind of what’s already happening. LOL

    Seriously, it’s not getting cancelled. It will be back next year because even with these sharp declines, it is still a Top 10 show. Just like Survivor, it will hang around for a while.

    This show is old and tired. And its frustrating to watch it get increasingly old and tired.

  • shenanigan

    Really, I think it is all because of the extreme lack of charisma of the contestants. They seemed frightened or amateurish or just plain sucky. The Voice is going to bury them in the ratings because their contestants are good. I just watched the video MJ put up of Christian Porter. He seems a little nerdy, but he did the sexy wgwg thing very, very well and it was FUN to watch, exciting. And that young woman who sang with Michael Jackson? Wow! Whoever is responsible for gutting Idol is a fool. I can see better musicians than their contestants downtown any night of the week. It defeats the whole premise of the show to have such lame guys just so they can get their chosen female winner. Whatever.

  • EB

    Ha! At least S9 genuinely turned out the way it did (badly)… this season was manufactured to suck for at least half of the contestants so that the other half could succeed. And whaddaya know, the result is sheer boredom all around, even with the few good singers present. These producers are downright crazy to strip quality from the show on purpose.

  • rachelwillie78

    And that young woman who sang with Michael Jackson? Wow!

    She is no better than Candice Glover.

    They seemed frightened or amateurish or just plain sucky.

    None of the 5 girls this year fit that description.

  • irockhard

    Well if I have to rate great vs good vs bad based on success (ratings, tour revenue), then the cycles are as follows:

    Epoch 1:

    S1 – good
    S2 – great
    S3 – bad

    Epoch 2:

    S4 – good
    S5 – great
    S6 – bad

    Epoch 3:

    S7 – great
    S8 – good
    S9 – bad

    Epoch 4:

    S10 – great
    S11 – good
    S12 – bad

  • Hazehel

    Me, I’m content in the sense that I see the real potential for 3 very successful finalists in 3 different markets: Kree in country, Candice in urban AC and urban, and Angela in CCM if not HAC. Amber seems super marketable too but she doesn’t seem to have enough of a fanbase coming off AI to get signed.

    I wouldn’t put Angela in CCM, I think she can be more than that, a female singer-song-writer in the tradition of a long line of such artists, from Carole King right up to Adele. I would like to see her win even though I have little interest in this season. I also agree that Amber is extremely marketable. I’m not sure how any music label would market Candace.

  • shenanigan

    There is fear in Angie’s eyes. And there is some sort of tentativeness about the whole thing, except for Candice? Kree’s tone is pleasant, but comparing her with Idols from the past, there is just no excitement there for me. Everything seems so calculated, without the love of music, the LOVE of performance. I think of Kelly with “Stuff Like That there”, or David C. jumping up and down after his “Eleanor Rigby”, or Adam doing that bizarre “Ring of Fire”. Or Joshua Ledet? Or Jessica? Or PP in Volcano. This whole season lacks emotional connection, meaning, so far. Nada and no hope of it coming. It feels manufactured and the musical experience is not there, for me. :(

  • rachelwillie78

    Well there is always next year. Just because you think this year is bad doesn’t mean next year will be. Just look at the improvement from Season 6 to Season 7 or the improvement from Season 9 to Season 10.

    I have noticed that people say that just because this year is “bad” means that it will be bad from now on. It doesn’t work like that.

    And LOL overdramatic FTW. Fear in Angie’s eyes? LMAO.

    I bet none of the Voice contestants this year will even come close to idol’s greats of the past.

  • Joseph

    Taylor’s album went platinum too.

  • irockhard

    I’ve said this over and over again, peeps under 40 DO NOT want to listen to music dated 50s-80s. Honestly who in their right mind would think otherwise?

  • shenanigan

    Oh yeah, next year might be better. And I do appreciate Jimmy for what he and Interscope do very, very well which is to set up and market the winner. But still, awful tv to see these mediocre singers passed off as the best America has to offer. Embarrassing, really. Are they still saying that?

  • blackberryharvest

    I know a lot of people in their 30s who love 80s music.

  • blackberryharvest

    Isn’t it guaranteed to be around until Season 13 anyway? I thought when they renewed it they renewed it through Season 13. I know Ryan’s contract is up after that.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    Somewhere along the line, if too many people of the same type are on the same label, that isn’t good, either, right?

  • Axxxel

    PP, didn’t he do his volcano in top 4 ? Joshua did his “When a man loves a woman” in top 11, same with Adam… also top 11… Is it more about the confidence of the contestants to take risks and go all full out… even though they know the judges may not like it ?

  • Axxxel

    Fear of being spontaneous and do a missstep ?

  • irockhard

    ITA with all of this. Plenty of edgier and more contemporary kids audition but they almost always get cut before the lives. A cast with JDA, Kez Ban, Melinda, Shubha and Juliana would’ve been way more interesting and entertaining. I don’t care if they’re not as technically proficient as Candice, Amber or Angie. They have vocal coaches, give them some real work to do and these rough diamonds can become sparkling gems. It would be great to see a contestant undergo a real transformation during their Idol run, that stuff is great TV, viewers love that sh!t.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6G57FUYKQLV7F4FC3EGS3HA3FA Cherry

    Entertainment industry knows how to get our mirror neuron cells hooked just by watching. Commercial system has been taking advantage of that and that’s unfortunate for us :)

  • irockhard

    Count me another another 30 something who loves 80s music, I love 70s and 60s music too. But I also love current music and 90s music (a very neglected decade on this show). And I’m pretty sure most people in my age group and younger would rather hear music they listen to regularly or music they grew up with, not music their parents or grandparents listened to.

    They should actually focus mostly on 1990-2010 IMO.

  • Axxxel

    “swimsuitcompetition”, a.k.a stripped down, a.k.a accoustic or even a capella ?

  • durbesque

    No kitchen is big enough for 2 women. The same is true for the AI panel. There should be ONE woman as the center of attention. The JLo panel was a perfect example. The camera always went to her.
    The show will never be harmonious or enjoyable with 2 women.

  • Axxxel

    Can I give you a hug ? You are reading my mind !

  • Axxxel

    This boring American Idol Season may actually help Glee a bit, just like 3 years ago.

  • Jacko86

    Season 10 + 11 with Jennifer Lopez and Steven Tyler >>>>>>>

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6G57FUYKQLV7F4FC3EGS3HA3FA Cherry

    yep, exactly! No wonder they’re loosing a lot… might be too little, too late to make changes.

  • blackberryharvest

    And last year had no black females.

  • Miz

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I can’t get behind these guys because they stink and/or I don’t like their style. The one guy I really liked who played a guitar was black. I didn’t like him for his gender or guitar. I liked his music.

    I want all good contestants regardless of gender, race, or instrumental ability. I do lean towards musicians, male or female. I loved Crystal Bowersox and still think she should have won. Yes, I voted for her.

    I loved Melinda Doolittle her season and was pissed she didn’t win.

  • Larc

    There has never been such a disparity as there is this year. Kimberly Locke finished #3 in S2, and 3 of the top 6 were girls. Allison Iraheta, who finished #4 in S8, was far better than any of the remaining guys this season. If votes were based solely on performing ability from here on out, I would expect all the guys to be gone before any girl is eliminated. Except for pity and gender-based votes skewing the results, I won’t be surprised a bit if that actually happens.

  • FE Swann

    I don’t think it is a matter of enjoying the decline, I think it is more about trying to analyze why it has happened. Many people adored this show for years and years and got totally invested, now they may be turning it off but they are still emotionally invested in it. It’s like breaking up with a long term lover, even though you are over them you still are interested in hearing about them.

  • Livi2

    I agree, and as the ratings have slipped over the years, it seems at least anecdotally like that’s a factor — every year, I hear people saying they’re not going to bother this year because they already know the contestants they like won’t win… The problem is, stacking the deck with weak contestants is now alienating those who liked the WGWG performers, and keeps it from generating the kind of buzz that might win back the viewers who’d already jumped ship.

    I think the show’s best hope at this point is to emerge from this season with a winner who breaks the mold *and* is successful enough to generate lots of positive publicity. It’s too late to salvage the ratings for this season, but maybe once they’re actively promoting Angie/Kree/Candice as the new American Idol, they can get some viewers who’ve dropped the show to tune in again next year. Then, if they’ve got a solid cast and an audience with more diverse tastes, maybe they can rebuild from there.

    I’m not saying that’s how it *will* happen, of course — there’s a LOT that can go wrong with any scheme that involves gambling away loyal viewers to try to win over a broader audience. Plenty of other shows have crashed and burned badly when they’ve attempted to do so. But maybe somebody at 19 decided that even a remote hope of eventually recapturing the show’s glory days was worth the risk of running it into the ground on the way there…

  • standtotheright

    Sheryl Sandberg would disagree.

  • standtotheright

    It was certified platinum. It did not sell over 1 million copies. RIAA certifications are about marketing and guesstimation, not actual retail sales.

  • Livi2

    I’m in that supposedly-coveted 18-34 demo — at least, for a little while longer! — and I MUCH prefer the themes that include older music (although not the *same ones* over and over, but that’s another rant). There is actually tons of newer music that I *love*, but it’s way too obscure to ever be featured on Idol. So with the exception of a handful of pop songs from my high school years in the ’90s, if I’m going to listen to anything that was ever mainstream, it’s going to be ’70s/’80s classic rock, ’50s/’60s soul, ’30s/’40s big band music, or country from pretty much anytime before the 1980s.

  • tucker davis

    The contestants this year seem so serious…maybe it’s all the ballads that have set that tone. Last year, several of the contestants just seem to have fun on the stage and that was a joy to watch! I knew P2 didn’t have the greatest vocals but almost every performance was FUN to watch (his interaction with the other musicians was a plus)…Joshua just rocked in his vocals & movement on stage…Elise was almost never boring…even Skylar made me smile. That’s what I’m missing this year…watching a contestant just have fun while performing!!

  • mchcat

    Is Kree country? I haven’t seen anything of hers before Idol but I don’t hear country in her Idol performanes. She sounds pop to me

  • mjsbigblog

    No kitchen is big enough for 2 women. The same is true for the AI
    panel. There should be ONE woman as the center of attention

    I couldn’t disagree more. There have been other 4 judge panels with 2 women on them–including Simon’s X Factor Panel in the UK that just worked out fine. The “girls will scratch each others’ eyes out” trope doesn’t always hold true. It’s a stereotype.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    I predict more heads will roll from the staffs next year, should Idol return. Ad rates will be discounted. But it’s FOX Gods that ruined the show. They keep trying to get the “right fit” judge and they keep failing. When they had a good team — Steven and Jlo, they threw them out and brought in FOUR frigging judges!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    FOX needs to make up its mind — AI or XF. You can’t have both. Esp. one schedule after the other.

  • mjsbigblog

    No, I’m talking about a season where HALF the contestants are fodder. At least. It’s overkill, and a much heavier hand of manipulation.

    Maybe we looking for different things in our TV entertainment, but I want a cast full of finalists, where at least the MAJORITY of them deserve to be there. It’s just boring otherwise.

    To be honest, my favorite weeks of the show are the semi-finals through mid-pack, when there are still lots of contestants. What’s the point of slogging through weeks and weeks waiting for all the dross to leave? For me it just is not entertaining.

    And what the producers are doing with the show this year? Ain’t fixing anything.

  • mjsbigblog

    I so totally agree. I *want* a female to win and voted for one to win in Seasons 9, 10, and 11, but I don’t want one to win at the expense of the entire show

    Yup. My voting pattern as well. It’s not about lack of WGWG.

    The viewing experience is far more interesting when you get a variety of contestants who are creative, feisty, have a musical point of view, and aren’t afraid to push back.

    Exactly. In the last few years, I really wanted a female to win, even one that wasn’t my favorite, because I believed it was important to the continued success of the show. But after what’s gone down this year, I’m not so sure about that any more.

  • curly_yenta

    One album post Idol does not mean anything. And by the way, Taylor’s album has a platinum certification from the RIAA, so you can stick him in the “haves” column.

  • curly_yenta

    Makes no difference. A lot of albums have certifications without selling set amount. The certification from the RIAA is for albums ordered from retail stores – for everyone. Taylor’s platinum award is just as valid as anyone elses who’s CD sold that amount from retail.

  • Karen C

    Oh yeah, they aren’t white, so they can’t get behind these guys. They NEED a white guy (who holds a guitar in his hands at some point) to obsess over.

    I don’t think that is it at all. Otherwise why would 4 out of 5 of them be within the same pop/rock genre. There were other singers who would be considered better looking in some cases than the ones that did win.
    It’s not just holding a guitar, it’s not just being cute, or being from the south, it’s that people liked the type of music they did and voted for them.
    If it were just the cutest white guy, Paul would have gone further, and I don’t believe even if he played guitar on the show he would have done much better. It is because he wasn’t as original or strong of a performer as the others.

  • Karen C

    I didn’t like him for his gender or guitar. I liked his music.

    Exactly !! And I think they didn’t put him through because he would be too much of a threat to the girls winning. And because he was an interesting musician and strong performer.
    I lean towards the musicians too, last year, I liked Elise, before that, Haley.
    Part of problem this year is that there is a strong rock-pop/rock audience to the show that likes some originality, and there is no one that fits that this year. Paul didn’t even come close.

  • Miz

    To be honest, I probably only watch Idol because of your blog. My friends and family stopped watching it years ago. Idol should be paying you for the promo.

  • Karen C

    I agree they could have had a more interesting cast. There were quite a few in the top 40 that were way more interesting than those that made it.

  • Karen C

    How do you know what’s the majority’s opinion?

    The winner having a 4X platinum single, on his way to having a platinum album, and on tours with other major artists?
    The majority of the audience wasn’t bored out of their minds until this year. Last year, the show had much more of a positive buzz and higher ratings.

  • mjsbigblog

    BTW, It bums me out that I have to remind people once again NOT TO put words in other posters’ mouths, speak for them, or assume/question their motives. Old timers should know better.

    If you find that your post is deleted? I just explained why.

  • Livi2

    Yes — and it’s a stereotype that gets reinforced when so many producers are only interested in hiring female judges that fit the “diva” mold. There are lots of women out there who aren’t going to play to type, but they’re not the ones Ken & Nigel think viewers want to see. It’s hard to imagine we’d have these kind of dynamics if the two women were Shania Twain and Linda Perry, for example — Shania’s too mild-mannered (she and Keith are a lot alike, actually), and Linda Perry’s too much of a no-bull type to waste time on ego games. (With her, the worry wouldn’t be scratching anybody’s eyes out; it’d be that she’d smack Randy silly after about ten minutes of his blather…) Fat chance of either of them getting hired to a full-time job on Idol, though, when the producers would much rather milk the women-are-divas angle to death.

  • durbesque

    Didn’t JLo say “There isn’t room for both of us on this panel”? It doesn’t matter which woman she was referring to, or whether she was joking or not, one thing she does know is the sexual dynamic. It’s her profession. Her panel would have been ruined by a second woman.

  • dd999

    Kree sang ‘Stronger’ a Faith Hill song; Crying a Carrie Underwood song and of course this past week she sang a Beatles song which she gave a countrified touch to. It was the same for Scotty, he sang a few songs that were not country but tried to give them a country vibe. There are a few of her videos on utube one that is very good ‘I don’t know what love is’ very country and, I think, very beautifully done,

  • standtotheright

    I guess my thing is that I don’t consider AI, as a TV production, to be that entertaining except as a precursor to launching a music career for some hopefuls afterward. Which is why I haven’t watched it live since S1. Some seasons I’ve YTed more performers on average than others, but I’m mostly interested in whether or not the few strongest contestants can make a go of it in the real world.

    And if I feel like the show is so predictable that the audience a) either won’t get behind talented contestants in the first place because they aren’t the “preferred type” or b) won’t support those contestants for the long term because it was more about them being a type than being valued as unique musicians, then it has failed in its purpose for me.

    Burn that off. Start over if possible. Let it go if inot. But the point of “slogging through the dross” is to reset people’s expectations, and I think that’s necessary.

  • standtotheright

    If that second woman had replaced Tyler or Jackson, I’d lay even money it would have improved it.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    As an Idol viewer from the beginning, the last season that I regard as good was season 8. Since then, the seasons have been less and less enjoyable. The last contestant who I looked forward to seeing was Crystal, and even then, I was a casual fan. So I’m not surprised at the falling ratings.

  • Livi2

    Please don’t judge all of us based on *one* woman who needs to be the diva in every space she occupies. She’s hardly unique, unfortunately, but neither does she represent a majority of women. There are plenty of women out there who wouldn’t need their contributions to a judging panel defined by their gender or their appearance, and thus wouldn’t consider another woman — even another attractive woman — as automatically redundant. Two men can sit on the same panel without getting in each other’s way because they’re there to be seen as individuals, not as gendered archetypes. Plenty of women function just the same way, even if J-Lo doesn’t happen to be one of them.

  • elliegrll

    The ratings were down over 20% last season in comparison to season 10, which is not too different than what’s happening this season, so how can the problem be the judges?.

  • windmills

    Kree is country through and through. She’s a country soul singer with some resemblance to Trisha Yearwood in her style, depending on the song, and Linda Ronstadt, who has done plenty of country-influenced singing.

    Kree was already deeply enmeshed in the country world before AI too, and has done a lot of cowriting and demo singing in Nashville. She’s very close friends with Kacey Musgraves, she’s written and is friendly with Ashley Monroe, Little Big Town is Team Kree, and singer/songwriters like Sarah Buxton and Kate York among others are openly rooting for her.

  • elliegrll

    This year’s group of contestants is somewhat talent, mainly the girls, but they are just not good reality show contestants. The funny thing is is that this year shows that the success of the show wasn’t based on the singing. Those who post on the internet have always complained about the joke auditions, but the auditions have always been the highest rated round, people complain about the backstories, but these stories help viewers become invested in the contestants, and we all complain about the casting, but having the right mix, even if they aren’t the best singers, is crucial to keeping viewer’s interest.

    Someone being a good singer isn’t going to be enough to get people to watch the show every week. These contestants have to know that they need to show personality, and the producers need to get a clue already and stop giving these people songs that make them look and sound like they are 50 years old.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    I know it’s been said many times over many years, you want female winner without the manipulation, limit the number of votes per method. Only the hardcore will vote for 2 hours. Limit voting and the casual voter will play a bigger role

  • elliegrll

    There are several simultaneous ruts going on IMO and we hear talk about how this or that will change each season, but still end up with 12 people of roughly the same types singing the same songs while the judges say the same things with the usual suspects getting the same producer manipulations. And every year, TPTB might get one part right but take 3 steps backwards on the others.

    I don’t think that this can be said enough. This year’s group of guys aren’t great singers, but style and personality wise they share a lot in common with the male contestants who have been cast on this show for the past 9 seasons. It doesn’t matter who is judging the show, the fact remains that the producers make the same mistakes every year. Casting is important, but the producers are stuck on casting for types, and pimping the same types of people. They do the same things every year, but then don’t expect people to get tired of seeing the same scenarios play out.

  • irockhard

    As a viewer I look for both what MJ stated and what you stated. I look for someone who both entertains every week and has a legit shot at cracking their chosen market.

  • dd999

    I agree! I think too, the comedic fun side of contestants is most often found with male contestants who are ‘hams’ and who have charisma on stage and off and their genre’s often vary from the norm. The few guys that are on the show this year, seem shy and reserved. There are so many girls in the final. Despite this imbalance, Idol has produced many successful singers in the past, selling millions of albums, and I’m confident there’s talent this year on the show to fit that bill!

  • girlygirltoo

    Even the quietest previous male contestants exhibited far more personality than any of these guys.

    And TBH, the girls aren’t overflowing with personality, either.

  • girlygirltoo

    I put her very much in the CCM world. It’s telling that she chose to sing a Colton song a couple of weeks ago. And her original song had a very “inspirational” vibe to me.

    I think she would do very well in the CCM genre…at least as well as Colton has done. I don’t see any big potential for her in the mainstream singer-songwriter world…not particularly unique and too bland.

  • girlygirltoo

    why would they do that when XF’s ratings have been awful? The Voice would likely crush XF if they went head to head

  • girlygirltoo

    Most of the winners are not “low selling”, though. Except for Lee, every winner has had a platinum single and/or a platinum album. Reigning champ Phillip has a 4x platinum single and his album will probably end up going platinum. Scotty has a platinum album & a couple of gold singles.

    That is a very good track record.

    They haven’t had a true pop artist win since Jordin. But, as shown by Scotty and Phillip, that doesn’t matter if the winner is promoted strongly and is given (or can write) radio friendly music.

  • girlygirltoo

    XF isn’t likely to get a 4th season. The ratings have been awful in seasons 1 & 2, and they are unlikely to improve for season 3.

  • taylor

    That’s when she was talking to Nicki.
    Jlo is a smart, classy business woman, she knew she didn’t want to be on the same panel with the likes of someone like Nicki. Another classy, dignified professional woman on the panel, which NM is not, would have been a different situation for Jlo.

  • girlygirltoo

    Um…S8 had 2 females in the Top 10 who could carry a tune (Lil and Allison) and another (Megan) who had a unique style and a nice voice, even if she wasn’t always on pitch. She may have been better served to have been on AI a couple of years later, when quirky indie girls started popping up a bit more. :)

    The only way I thought that season was really manipulated was to try and get the Danny-Adam finale. And it failed in that objective. I didn’t think it had “a guy must win” agenda, though. They were pimping Lil hard early in the season. This season has been way more blatantly manipulative — they stacked the deck so that a guy pretty much can’t win (unless the viewers continue to give Lazaro sympathy votes)

  • girlygirltoo

    exactly who in this current cast are young music lovers supposed to gravitate to? I can’t see most of them appealing to younger, supposedly “hip” music listeners — this is not exactly a group of unique, let alone edgy, contestants. I can’t see too many of them being successful if they tried to step outside the “safe/bland” songs they have been performing, TBH. Kree, maybe Candice — that’s about it, IMO.

  • girlygirltoo

    Last year’s show had positive buzz? I don’t remember it having much of that. It seemed like it got unfavorably compared to S10 by a lot of people.

  • girlygirltoo

    Except for the national title game, college basketball doesn’t draw big ratings. CBS knows that. And this year’s tournament has the games split up on 4 different networks (CBS, TBS, TNT, TruTV), so viewers are going to do a lot of channel surfing, as multiple games are going on at once.

  • maymay

    1.The judges don`t have chemistry. Nicki`s negative energy scares away the traditional viewers. There is no show romance between Keith and Randy like Blake and Adam on Voice. Next season needs to find two good looking male judges to love each other.

    2.The male contestants are too weakest(vocal and look) to attract the female viewers who had produced 5 male winners in a row. The female contestant have the strong vocal but boring. Where are Elise, Skylar, Hollie?

    3.A stutter contestant makes the top 10 but he has awful vocal. That is why people always think Idol is a joke. Going further with the sympathy votes is totally a joke. Why let him make the voting round? Not mention to Charlie and Zoanette. Idol is a singing show not a freak show.

    4.The first time Idol has no rock contestant. That gives a good reason for viewers to stop watching Idol.

    5.X Factor`s formant is like Idol. So after people watched X Factor, why should they continue to watch Idol? Of course Voice hurt Idol too. And there are too many singing drama shows on TV, Glee, Smash, Nashville.

    6.It was a big mistake that separating the male and female contestants during Hollywood and Vegas round. It decrease people`s interest to watch.

  • springboard2

    I think that the problem is that even the girls, who are excellent singers, lack personality and not just reality TV personality, artistic personality. To me it feels that I have heard it all before, and I cannot imagine any of them becoming successful artist in their own right.

  • Karen C

    The female contestant have the strong vocal but boring. Where are Elise, Skylar, Hollie?

    This became more apparent to me last night, during the female group song. They all sounded the same except for Candice. Even Kree sounded like the others. They don’t have a unique tone like Haley or Elise.

    The first time Idol has no rock contestant. That gives a good reason for viewers to stop watching Idol.

    If this is the reason that viewers have stopped watching, it proves there was a strong audience that liked rock, and I still think that is the real reason for the results the past 5 years.
    I do think this was all done on purpose to produce a different type of winner, but it will backfire if they also don’t have anyone strong enough to bring in new viewers.
    I think the other mistake they made is not having a longer semifinal, this allows the contestants to build up a fanbase before the top 10. I think people become more invested when they are voting.

  • http://aquayers.blogspot.com aquayers

    Well,I started watching since Season 4. I got super addicted since Season 5 until Season 8. Each seasons of course had its different things, but I really enjoyed each of that seasons. After that it kinda going downhill for me. Season 9 was awful. Season 10 made me excited again since they introduced diverse cast,but I can’t stand the country duo’s mediocre performances. Too bad,that season had promise in the beginning for me personally. Season 11,I only liked Colton,Elise and Erika. Everything else pretty much a chores for me to watch. Now,I’m right here with this Season 12,4 years of enduring mediocre to meh seasons has exhausted me mentally. Too bad,I’m addicted to this show like a drugs and I can’t stop this habit. Maybe I need to go to rehab. LOL.

  • sue

    Oh MJ, don’t leave us! I will be extremely sad if there is no MJ’s to go to. :( I will pray to the idol gods and hope the show picks up, lols. Idol is in it’s 12th season so a lot of people are ready to move on to something newer and fresher so that is why the Voice is doing so well. I just don’t know how I could live without the in-depth detailed info of all things idol from this site but I will understand if it comes to that. I really do appreciate all that you do MJ.

  • mchcat

    Thanks – I guess I will have to watch pre idol to hear country.in her. I know she sang Crying but I heard pop not country. I don’t remember the Faith song at all – from Kree or from Faith.

  • iani

    ” Everything is entirely predictable when you don’t select contestants the core audience like, and it does look like its core audience has abandoned the show in droves.”-Hazehel (a day ago)

    It was discussed here more than a year ago, the selection-problems have started when TPTB has done all possible to have a girl winner, or year-agendas like the “next Taylor Swift” or “Bieber-year”- must be under 18y/o and having in their minds 1 or 2 contenders and the “fillings” for tour reasons, selection based on real talent and charisma combination?-”forget about” as long as they don’t suck is good but a good way also to perpetuate the mediocrity. I’m pretty sure people know what they like and “the quality” might prevail the judgments based on gender, race and look if the contender is really good, they would like him/her no matter what, the executive producers have their minds mixed in cautions to cover everything and not to be named a racist-show. Just bring the best contenders from the almost 100k applicants and give them songs from any genre to cover and please viewers, forget the restricted “pop” show initial meaning, there are 12 years between “then and now”.

  • mjsbigblog

    guess my thing is that I don’t consider AI, as a TV production, to be
    that entertaining except as a precursor to launching a music career for
    some hopefuls afterward. Which is why I haven’t watched it live since
    S1.

    That’s the crux of our disagreement. What you describe is exactly what AI is not for me. I’m always happy when alums do well post-competition, because it burnishes the show’s reputation, but my enjoyment of a competitor has zero to do with how they will fare in the marketplace after. Also, I’m not looking to Idol for artists to add to my record collection.

    AI is a reality show. I want to be entertained. And what’s happening right now is not entertaining me. The result of forcing people to “slog through the dross” for some kind of “reset” most casual viewers that make up the majority of the audience don’t understand or care about will just cause them to hit their clickers faster, and maybe permanently.

  • mjsbigblog

    The Voice found the perfect way to game the system with their arbitrarily constructed iTunes voting system. I’m convinced it secured a win for Cassadee that would have otherwise gone to Terry McDermott–limited votes or no. And they did not have to sacrifice talent to achieve their goal.

  • Incipit

    Well, I guess I could be considered in the middle – wanting the show to entertain me, and expecting/hoping to add a few artists to my music collection. Except, I don’t watch this in real time anymore. I won’t “slog thru dreck” for anyone – I just go do something else; if the show can’t hold up its end of the deal and entertain me – why would I watch it?

    Since Idol forgot how to pick a midcard, and got so random with the vocal levels and performance skills of the people they expect the audience to care about, a good book has more to offer, or an NCIS rerun.

    - I usually prefer the female voices, and TPTB usually has the judges chop them up pretty quickly – so I just cherry pick a few each season, buy the downloads I like, follow how they are doing here at mj’s and when they are gone – so am I. Whoever makes an album post Idol, I’ll check it out – and maybe buy. That’s how I deal with the ‘expectations’ thing. This season has really, really low expectations. Heh.

  • Karen C

    I’m probably somewhere in the middle. I do watch to see new artists, some of which I do buy their albums after, but I also watched to be entertained. I think the aspect of the show that I find entertaining is that we can watch someone go from an audition and be developed into an artist and follow their careers after this, even if I am not a fan. I also see it as a talent showcase more than a reality show.

  • standtotheright

    some kind of “reset” most casual viewers that make up the majority of the audience don’t understand or care about will just cause them to hit their clickers faster, and maybe permanently.

    I don’t necessarily disagree with that. I also don’t have a problem with that result.

    And FTR, I do just fine finding artists to enjoy without AI. I’ll still read Stereogum and listen to local podcasts and take friends’ Spotify recommendations and yes, even occasionally find something viable on the radio. AI was nothing more or less than another channel for music discovery for me (and an occasionally interesting industry case study). I’ll evaluate its retention or its loss the same way I would any of those other outlets.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I think they just went overboard with the AC ballad types for the guys. We don’t need a variety of Groban-lites + a gospel singer who doesn’t hold a candle to the previous year’s. There are a lot of other types outside HAC rockers, balladeers, and black male gospel singers. Even Elijah would ave added a little variety, or that black country guy who got inexplicably cut in Hollywood, of a jazz singer, or a modern R&B crossover type like Usher, or a straight up pop/dance type… but they didn’t cast those types of guys. They weren’t in the mix to vote for save Elijah, and they buried him by making hm go first.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Well, my thought is less “young people dislike older music” as “for young people, older music is an interesting thing that’s fun sometimes, but not necessarily the touchstone of musical goodness.”

    Yesterday afternoon, my adored indie alt-rock-ish station played an ironic AAA cover of a 1940s big band song. It was great. Thing is, it was also a well-constructed representation of a *current* sound, so it wasn’t necessary to be an afficionado of 1940s music to appreciate it. (Wish I remembered what song and who.) Turning songs into current R&B or dance-pop would suit me fine, too; it’s not that I need everything rocked up.

    On the whole, though, I’m listening to that station to hear new music. There’s a reason I abandoned its commercial competitor when it went to “classic alt-rock” (1990s).

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Exactly. I was thinking specifically of the gals… based on her tubies, I’d expected Angie Miller to be a current pop-rock type who had sweet pipes and could rearrange a bit. I’d figured the downside risk with her was that she might get a bit twee, not that she’d turn into Celine Dion. With Kree Harrison, I’d expected a current country-oriented singer and had great hopes for spunk.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Now THAT I agree with. I think 3 things helped TV and XF break the male guitar player pattern… a three way final, and for TV counting the ITunes downloads.. plus massive pimpage for the chosen women. They were framed as special talents from the start. Idol could ave employed any of those strategies.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Yeah, but: When was the last time you saw a male contestant (or female) do a dance/pop performance on Idol? When was the last time Idol had modern RnB crossover type like Usher in the finals?

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I know! But if they want to change things, that’s who they should be casting. People who feel more modern. Part of the problem has been the audience reaction to such people of course, but if you are making a move for a younger audience anyway then you why not try it? It’s better the filling half the slots with granny bait.

  • elliegrll

    Which was a joke considering how good Candice is, especially in comparison to the people who were cast.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I think the problem is that American Idol is a singing competition and great live vocal performances aren’t exactly the norm in dance pop. Songs are recorded in the studio and for live performances, singers usually use backing tracks. Also, Idols sing with a live band with ancient sound.

    Rapping is also excluded.

    i think the whole idea of the show is to sing well known old songs that appeal to people of all ages and backgrounds. Lowest common denominator.

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    that’s been an issue with AI for several years though… its like in the pre-voting stages we get to see some of them doing interesting and different songs and taking more risks… i.e. this year Angie doing her own song, the group Candice was in doing that funky diva-esque Blu Cantrell song…

    & once they are in the top 10 or 12 they become bland 90s AC wanabees…

    maybe this is because they are trying to differentiate themselves from the 150 other people at Hollywood stage… maybe they get better song choices at that stage, or are given the freedom to do whatever they want… maybe once in the top 10/12 they get bad advise from TPTB…

    whatever it is, for many contestants it seems the recording artist they hinted at being in the middle stages of the competition disappears… to be replaced by a watered down, bland homogenised version of themselves…
    i’m sure that a big part of this must be because that’s what TPTB think middle America wants to watch…

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I don’t know. Adam Lambert did it some weeks. Plus Lady Gaga can sing, and Usher can too. So it’s not like it can’t be done. At the very least, some old songs can have backbeats added to them… an approach they started trying in S10, then dropped the following year. My point is they haven’t cast anyone who is even capable of going there this season, during an era were they hired Nikki Minaj and saw their viewing age drop 4 years. They haven’t even had a contestant sing MODERN ballads save Brianna and Aubrey! It makes no sense.

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    I agree… see my reply above.. I basically think once in the top 10/12 the contestants get some bad advise from TPTB… that pushes them down the power ballad / AC road… because TPTB feel that is what ‘good singing’ is and that’s what they’ve been doing for 12 seasons…
    and unless the contestants stand up for themselves, which most wont do as they are young and inexperienced and probably think they have to play the game, then we get this issue of any personality and individuality being removed…

    but I don’t think that’s what the audience wants anymore… hence why the WGWGs did well, because they often took risks and were often a little more creative with song choice, or arrangement… so stood out from the pack…

  • Mateja Praznik

    I don’t remember Adam doing dance/pop on Idol. I know that he tried to do something electro with “Born to be Wild”, but other than that, he sang ballads and rock. Great performances, but not really current. He knew what kind of a show he was on.

  • Mateja Praznik

    In Hollywood, the contestants sing for the judges and producers. They can pick more obscure and interesting songs, because they are more or less judged on the quality of their performance.

    One we get to the voting rounds, the songs have to be well known.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Yes, you are right. That was one of my big disappointments last year with Jessica’s slow de-swaggification and the year before with Lauren, who started this kind of sassy, confident, flirty, wonderfully tacky girl and ended this scared, skittish country pageant bot. This show has a way of sucking all the edge out of its contestants.

  • Karen C

    One we get to the voting rounds, the songs have to be well known.

    Not necessarily, if someone has an interesting version of an obscure song that fits them, it could really set them apart. And if they are going to be a viable artist they should be able to draw people in to a performance of an unknown song, because that is what they would have to do with original material.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I was thinking of Born To Be Wild, I thought he did something else too but I could be wrong. That kind of thing happened all over S10 though. I do get your point about the broad appeal aspect of the show however.

  • Karen C

    I think though many viewers do want them to have more of a choice. It seems the past few years, some contestants have been their best during Hollywood week and semifinals, but then gets boring during the finals. Part of this is because of limited song choices and themes. The producers think this is what people want, but I don’t think it really is. That might be what the decreasing ratings are showing more than anything else.
    I’m wondering if the contestants have the freedom to take chances like they have in the past. Though even last year Phillip took chances.

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    when did Adam do anything but the standard AI fare of lite rock or pop or ballads?
    don’t get me wrong, he has a great voice and deserves any success he gets… but he (to me) is an absolute example of someone who played the AI game by singing stuff on the show he was NEVER going to record post show…
    to me he seemed like someone who clearly wanted to be the male version of a Gaga… and his 2 albums are very much in the electronic / pop / dance vein (with maybe a hint of rock influences)…
    meanwhile on Idol he sang U2, Aerosmith, Zepplin, Stones… because he and TPTB felt that would be considered the best way of a gay man appealing to middle America…

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    These are very good points. I do think we have had non WGWGs who tried different things (say, Naima for example) but the audience tends not to react as strongly to that. In fact, last year we had contestants hitting the seal the more modern they got (Jessica, Holly, Joshua) so I think that plays a part as well.

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    I disagree…

    if that were the case then there are plenty of well known songs that are interesting and would showcase your voice and potential as a recording artist…

    plus some of the ‘water cooler’ moments on AI have been lesser known songs… how many people knew Stuff Like That There or Mad World or Haemorrhage? plus winners or runners up like Cook, Lewis, Allen & Phillips mixed it up with some lesser known stuff… and it didn’t hurt them…

    I think the problem is that TPTB push the contestants down the ‘well known’ song route by the same old themes and only 20 songs cleared… because that is what they feel made the show successful a decade ago…

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    See my reply down thread. I didn’t say he did it every week, but I thought I remembered him going there a couple of times that season. In any case, other people sang danc-y songs before, all I was saying was that someone could have been cast who had the potential to fit that mode (or another mode outside the usual suspects) this year.

  • Karen C

    Naima was pretty much modern R&B and dance on the show. She even did an updated version of Dancing in the Street.

  • Karen C

    hence why the WGWGs did well, because they often took risks and were often a little more creative with song choice, or arrangement… so stood out from the pack…

    I thnk that also the WGWG also were able to be the most modern, at least as far as their genres at the time. The type of music they were doing was still popular, even through to Phillip. The other types of music represented on the show weren’t as modern.

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    i agree that they should be considering that… but the only possible way it would work is if the judges bought into it, praised it and actively encouraged it (like on XF)…
    whenever many of the competitors have tried doing anything like that, they tend to get negative criticism… i.e. Anoop doing MJ and Usher and being told those aren’t singers songs… hell even Melinda Doolittle got told that once in S6…
    so you would also have to work against the 12 years of the show programming the audience into ballad / lite rock = good and upempo dance/pop = bad

  • ali_359921

    Exactly, even after the show and all, he is still believing that AI is a singing competition and by that, I mean what the audience would like , u must do it . That’s how I understood it. The bottom line is the producers can’t risk changing what the audience(esp,their Core Fanbase) love , even though the ratings still suck/ and If they changed it, the result will be unpredictable in a bad way.

    Really enjoyed the comments here.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Agreed 100%. Basically, the show is stuck in a rut.

  • Karen C

    I think this has been more of a problem the past couple of years, since Jimmy Iovine became the mentor, and the new judges came on. In the few years before that, originality was encouraged more than it is now. Though a few have been able to break through this.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I agree. They have to cast those people and then support them once they are there. It’s okay to keep some of the classic types, but mix in some newer ones too.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I see that to a degree, but there is also the question of what kinds of “originality” the audience likes. People have tried all kinds of things during the Jimmy era but only some things stuck. But he definitely has a hand in pushing people towards “safe” hits of yesteryear, I agree.

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    to (mis)quote the bard… therein lies the rub…
    has that ship sailed, esp now that The Voice and US X Factor promote and encourage a wider range of music styles… including more modern uptempo pop/dance/RnB… is it too little too late for AI to make that key change… and if the do will they alienate the loyal viewers they still have…
    to find out, tune in Jan 2014…

  • elliegrll

    I don’t think that the problems started this year. There have been problems with the casting for years. The 18-49 year old demographic has been going down for years. Season 8 didn’t see higher ratings than season 7, and the same goes for season 11 in comparison to season 10. Season 10 eventually saw a ratings increase in comparison to 9, but that’s because the ratings for the live rounds of season 9 were so bad. Only 14 million people tuned in for the final two performance episode last year. That’s a far cry from the 20 million plus that that show used to see.

    The casting that has given us the same type of people every year, a lack of diversity among the cast, and people who need an injection of personality, but who also need to know how to sing, has been turning off younger viewers for years. This season has been hurt by the mistakes that the producers have made over the past few years just as much as it is being hurt by a very poor cast.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t think so. I think one of the main problems with the show is that they keep casting the same type of people, and that’s why we have seen the big ratings drops that have occurred over the past two seasons. I’m sure that it’s not just church music directors who are trying out for this show, so I don’t know why they continue to make up a large part of the cast each season.

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    as someone with a Y chromosome, i hope this doesn’t come across as patronising… its not meant to… but well said

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    LOL’ing at de-swaggication… love that term… hope you don’t mind but I am adding it to be my vocab… be prepared to see me using it mercilessly on this blog!

  • http://twitter.com/facenfield David Facenfield

    agree, I suspect they are steered away from it… and only the chosen few, or those that push back…manage to break through.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    I agree completely, I’m still not sure how I feel about the way TV did it, but the one thing that can’t be argued is you actually have to sell to take advantage of it

  • Karen C

    That’s why I think a large part of the audience are rock and alternative rock fans, because the originality that did well tends to be alt rock or rock, and some country, either with song choices or arrangements.

  • mjsbigblog

    ITA. If Melanie had faced off against either Josh or Chris in a two-way final, she would have lost.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Judy-Smith/100002526170283 Judy Smith

    I agree Girlygirl about Angela . If she goes down the same path as Colton it should be quite good for her.Also selfishly better for me in Australia as it means her music will be more readily available here [than if she went the more mainstream path where she would be lost in the crowd ]

  • Reflects On Life

    Perfectly stated. All of it.

    For me, Candice v Amber is like Melinda v Jordan. Kinda thrilling if the voters manage to keep Amber afloat. Plus, hidden gems in Burnell & Devin.

  • Reflects On Life

    See, I think that most seasons have pure cannon fodder in the bottom half of the top 10. The only exceptions were S5, S7, S11, and on an entertainment level, S10.

    So why did people watch all that cannon fodder? Speaking for myself (and I’ll bet I’m not alone), I watched during rounds 13->11 because the competition to get on the tour inspired some brilliant performances, and I watched during rounds 10->5 because those top-5 types (especially the ones who weren’t pimped pre-finals) brought out the big guns to get into the top 5 & compete for the win.