The Voice 3 Finale! Results, Recap and VIDEOS

I’ll be live blogging The Voice 3 finale, right here! Who will take the win? Cassadee Pope? Terry McDermott? Nicholas David? Stick around and find out!

Well…that was anti-climatic! As it turns out, the Power of the Penis was no match for iTunes chicanery.   Good job, The Voice producers, working those iTunes votes! I think counting every iTune sale, including bonuses, from all of the live shows helped put Cassadee over the top. Because if you think about it, viewers are voting for the song, rather than the contestant. I think it would have been hard for Cassadee to overpower the cute throwback boy, Terry, otherwise.

It’s just as well.  Cassadee was certainly NOT the best singer, but she’s marketable. She couldn’t make a go of it before, we’ll see if she can finally break through as a Voice winner. Hopefully, Universal will take a tip from American Idol and hook her up with some good songwriters. And it wouldn’t hurt to find the perfect debut song for even, even if she didn’t have a hand in writing it.  We’ll see if the show can finally graduate a successful winner,

Highlights from tonight’s finale included  Bruno Mars (who is pretty much ALWAYS awesome), the Terry and Peter Frampton duet (eat your hearts out, Emblem 3!), The wonderfully soulful Boys II Men cover by Nicholas David, Dez Duran, Trevin Hunte and Amanda Brown, and the final coaches performance of “Good Riddance”.   It’s not a coincidence that all 3 performances were acoustic or close to it. I prefer the moments when the singers aren’t trying to out sing the screaming band.

I wished Kelly Clarkson could have performed her song without sharing the stage with Cassadee and Terry. They added nothing to “Catch my Breath”.  Also, I would have enjoyed The Killers much more without Cassadee’s inexplicable contribution.

The crowning of Cassadee was beyond anti-climatic. They didn’t even go over a bit to allow her to finish her winner’s performance!

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OMG Cee Lo’s outfit is…really something. Adam looks very handsome in a tux and white tie. And Christina is dressed to the nines. No tiny hat tonight, though. sads. She is cooling herself with a bejeweled fan, however.

Carson introduces the Top 3. Rihanna, The Killers, Kelly Clarkson and Bruno Mars will perform. The Top 3 will duet with Avril Lavigne (Cassadee), Smokey Robinson (Nicholas) and Peter Frampton (Terry). Plus the coaches will sing together for one last time.

Last night’s vote totals were the highest in The Voice history, according to host, Carson Daley.

First up, Rihanna takes the stage to perform “Diamonds”. Gosh. I really needed to hear that song sung live one more time. Zzz.

Now for some blah blah with the coaches. We’ve got a lot of time to kill tonight!

Next, Rudy Paris, Michaela, Amanda Brown and Bryan Keith join Terry McDermott for a performance of the Kiss song, “Rock and Roll All Night”. Well. That was fun. RIP Amanda Brown! Girl, YOU SHOULD BE IN THE FINAL.

Oh Christina Millian! I’m going to miss your scintillating interviews. Hm.

Now, Nicholas David joins Smokey Robinson to sing the legendary soul singer’s  80’s era hit, “Cruising.” Smokey’s sweet falsetto doesn’t blend very well with Nicholas’ baritone. On paper, it looks good, but the two aren’t really a great match.

More filler: The coaches goof on Adam Levine.

Now, the Killers take the stage to sing “Here With Me.” Wait…Cassadee  is singing  with Brandon Flowers? WHY? Get off the stage girl. I want to hear the band.

Here’s the cast of The Biggest Loser talking about The Voice.  As if we care what any of them think, we here predictions of  Cassadee’s imminent win.

Oh Carson, slow down…a bunch of contestants…Diego, that geeky guy with the glasses, Bam Bam, the Hispanic dude…gosh I’m sorry. I don’t remember the names of ANY of these people. They’re all guys! And sing “Stacey’s Mom” at the “Voice Diner”. I guess they’re going for a Grease vibe? Although I love Fountai’s of Wayne, I have to admit that this song pick is pretty random.

The coaches share their thoughts on Blake Shelton. He’s a nut! And mostly drunk.

Oh. an EXCLUSIVE PEEK AT THE NEXT SEASON OF THE VOICE. Usher and Shakira will be joining Adam and Blake on the panel. There’s a cute little bit with the four judges arguing over what to play in the car. They wind up singing along to “Total Eclipse of the Heart.”

Christine chit chats with the Top 3 for the last time in the skybox. Sads. Lots of “love yous” all around. EVEN MORE FILLER. The Top 3 reveal what they will do if they win The Voice.

Casadee Pope and Terry McDermott join Kelly Clarkson on stage to sing “Catch My Breath”. NOT WHAT I WAS EXPECTING. Allow Queen Kelly to sing on her own, please. Casadee and Terry’s voices sound so thin next to Kelly’s. Cassadee sounds reed-thin. Hm. Terry is a better singer than Cassadee, if I’m being perfectly honest. Too bad his taste in music is so dire.

Melanie Martinez, Liz Davis and De’borah join Cassadee Pope on stage to sing “It’s Time” by Imagine Dragons. RIP De’borah. You were gone too soon.

Terry McDermott joins Peter Frampton for a performance of the classic hit, “Baby I Love Your Way.” Peter still sounds pretty good. Frampton had one HUGE album in 1976…and then he dropped out of sight for years. It’s nice that he’s been able to make a comeback on the nostalgia circuit. Nice acoustic vibe! The best duet so far, by a mile. The duo blend well together.

The judges, contestants, and SO MANY MORE wish Christina Aguilera a HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

A bunch of the girls are back to sing the disco classic, “Best of My Love”. Again, I didn’t quite get their names, and I don’t really remember them, sadly. All 4 look and sound kinda cloney. Not necessarily a bad thing. They all have big boomy voices, perfect for some old school disco.

FINALLY SOME RESULTS. Terry, Cassadee and Nicholas take the stage. OK. Maybe not. Cee Lo takes the stage in a sleigh. He’s St. Cee Lo! Oh look. EACH OF THE FINALISTS WILL GET A NEW KIA CAR. That’s TOTALLY NEVER BEEN DONE ON A SINGING COMPETITION BEFORE!

Here comes Bruno Mars in FULL AFRO to sing a beautiful rendition of “When I was Your Man.” He’s not forced to sing with anyone. I’m guessing his reaction to the suggestion was HELLS NO. Thank God, because that was beautiful.

Christina interviews Kelly Clarkson and calls her the “biggest artist on the planet.” Kells laughs as if to say “WTF?”

Trevin Hunte, Dez Duron and Amanda Brown join Nicholas David to sing “End of the Road” by Boys II Men. “I feel all these people went too soon,” says Nicholas on why he picked the trio. The man speaks the truth! That performance was pretty much THE BOMB.

Cassadee Pope joins Avril Lavigne to sing “I’m With You”. I totally forgot that Avril Lavigne is a pretty terrible live singer.  PITCHY. Unison singing for the win! It doesn’t appear that Cassadee and Avril had much time to rehearse. Avril is like a total turn of the century relic. It’s amazing that she has not changed her look in 10 years.

Now, for the Cee Lo Green video package.  The Voice coach by way of the Animal Planet! Hopefully, this video is the last bit of filler.

The 4 coaches sing one last song together–Green Day’s ” Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life)”. Cause Christina and Cee Lo will be leaving the family. At least for now. Sans over the top antics, the coaches perform beautifully together! Kudos on the harmonies. Look at Adam strumming an acoustic guitar… Balloons fall from the ceiling. Byyyeee!

FINALLY THE RESULTS. Who will win The Voice?

3rd Place – Nicholas David
2nd Place – Terry McDermott
WINNER – Cassadee Pope

THE END. Until….March. Sigh. Groan. That’s it for The Voice!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Just watching them pimp Cassadee incredibly in the video package leading up to her singing “Cry” last night (last, of course). It was really blatant. lol I will be VERY surprised if Cassadee doesn’t win tonight.

  • Kirsten

    It was really blatant. lol I will be VERY surprised if Cassadee doesn’t win tonight.

    I live on the knoll. I think they changed the voting rules this afternoon so she would win.

    Odd they would change them after the voting window ended. No?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    They didn’t change the rules at the last minute. The rules that MJ posted have been on the Voice website for a while now.

  • girlygirltoo

    Is this 2 hours tonight?

  • blackberryharvest

    The pimping for Cassadee is worse than Juliett’s from last year.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yes.  LOTS of filler, but also great guest stars. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Rhianna is beautiful, but she’s kind of an average singer, at best. Not fond of this song, but then again, I’m not part of her target demo. lol

  • http://twitter.com/ClaudeDee Claude Dee

    I hope we get a shocker tonight!!!! HAHAHA

  • blackberryharvest

    I would LMAO if Terry or Nicholas win.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

     Rihanna has gotten better vocally, I must say! lol

  • fuzzywuzzy

    lol Everything is relative.

  • Amber Alk

     I hope so. GOOOOOOOOOOOO Terry or Nicholas

  • Jordana33

    I actually love Rihanna’s voice. It’s unique and very distinct. At a Coldplay concert in France, Chris Martin brought Rihanna onstage as a surprise guest and she sang a very stripped down version of “Umbrella” that was really beautiful. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

    Awww Amanda :( You should’ve won!!!

  • http://twitter.com/tukicarreno Tuki

    Rihannal looked GORGEOUS. She is so beautiful. 
    I actually like her voice too, when she is focused she can deliver. I am just sick of Diamonds already.
    Anyways, really loved Terry´s group song. They all sounded awesome.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    It was cool of Terry to bring back the other contestants. I really enjoyed that performance. Da*n it! Amanda should be in the finale! 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    This Twitter gal is pretty lame. lol

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    My first season watching The Voice (off and on since they lost the country a long time ago) and I have to wonder…why didn’t they take the finale to a different stage?  When Idol does that, it makes the finale that more special.

    In fact, one of the things I found I didn’t like during the regular season is the lack of variety–no extra locations or videos, etc.  Others sometimes complain that those things are filler on Idol, but I like the variety.

    Rather than saying only negative…I really did love their country girls before they got eliminated…

  • Jordana33

    I really don’t get the Cassadee over-pimping. Compared to prior female finalists like Vicci, Dia and Juliett, she is by far the weakest singer and performer. Admittedly, she’s probably the best choice out of this final three, but it’s never a good sign when the highlights of the show are seeing the eliminated contestants. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I don’t get it either, but I think that the producers/show are being heavily influenced in their opinions about Cassadee from the sales of her songs on iTunes.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Wow Cassadee didn’t get to sing much at all with the Killers.

  • http://twitter.com/tukicarreno Tuki

    Wow, forgot how Brandon Flowers voice is just wow.

  • beanowl

    I’m just going to pretend Amanda won the whole thing. 

  • Jordana33

    Rather than saying only negative…I really did love their country girls before they got eliminated…

    Are you talking about the country singers on this season’s voice? I really liked them too and was surprised that they were all eliminated. I expected Gracia to make it to the top twelve. Blake always gets good country singers, but he tends to get rid of them every season!

  • iluvai

    lol at The Voice commercial.  :)

  • supersonic

    This show is not going to be the same with Usher and Shakira.  You could already tell that from the commercial.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I remember all the past contestants featured tonight!  What a fantastic finale!  I have enjoyed this season so much!  It doesn’t matter who wins!  Yet, it was Amanda who deserved it!  She’s so good! 

    Say, did you see that terrific new line-up?  How cool can you get?  Best season yet of The Voice! 

  • bestmusic

     Diamonds is one of her songs I love on radio.

  • http://twitter.com/georgiarealist Susan Burge

    MJ, the returnees were Mackenzie Bourg (sp?), Dez Duron, Diego Val, Cody Ballew (Bam Bam), and Julio Cesar Castillo.

  • jumpstart4u

    Show ‘em how it’s done Kelly!

  • bestmusic

     She blew that away but seriously fire the stylist.

  • http://twitter.com/tukicarreno Tuki

    Yay! KELLY show them how it´s done.
    Love her performance! Catch My Breath is one of my favorite songs right now.
    No one can ever top Kelly IMO.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    Man, can i vote for Kelly? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    I find it amusing that Kelly is now in TVoice family permanently, thanks to Blake.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

    All of us are going to pretend that Amanda won this thing.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    I’m gonna really miss CeeLo on the show. He is a terrible song picker (LOL), but his uniqueness really added value to the show. Plus, he seems to pick the best contestants that people want to root for to win. Usher seems like he is not going to be as entertaining. :/

  • kcostell

     But did they change the rules before or after first seeing Cassadee’s iTunes sales? 

  • supersonic

    Not me.  I was never a fan of hers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    I loveeeeeeeee this finale; they bringing back even those cut before the live shows.  Extra points to Cass bringing back D’Borah.  I also love the criss-cross mix of talents under different coaches :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    This is just okay. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2GSMAIVVJS4KFW5L3XHBUO46DA LUCIE

    Kelly was great but that outfit was the ugliest thing ever.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Kelly is just such a wonderful singer!  Lovin’ this show!

  • Jordana33

    De’borah and Liz sounded great in “It’s Time”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Peter Frampton & Terry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Woooooooooot

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    I never realized how much not having a horse in the race makes watching these finales more enjoyable. But I know I’ll be nervous on Thursday when the X Factor finale airs.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I think the pimping for Cassadee is the worse pimping ever. Correct someone if i’m wrong, i’m not sure.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Did Kelly sing with Cassadee? I’d like to see that. he he

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    These girls should form a group and audition for X-Factor. Girls, your welcome. I expect a paycheck in the mail when you gain your income for being 5th Harmony’s backup singers LOL HAHAHA!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Its corny, but I really like the way they gave the finalist their cars :)  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

     Damn no more Amanda, this sucks!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Actually, I heard more harmonies from these girls than I usually hear from 5th Harmony. Plus, they work more the stage. And I even like 5th harmony. lol

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

     They probably only wanted to give Cassadee a car but then were like I guess we’ll give all 3 of you cars. lol

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Yep, they do sound great :)

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I actually did prefer Kelly’s song with Terry singing along!  Great song!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    lol.I remember last year, when they gave a car to the finalists. They stood there politely, without decide which car they would pick and Jermaine just jumped into his car like “this one is mine”. LMAO.

  • Jordana33

    I don’t think so. Cassadee’s sales went up right after they changed the itunes rules. Prior to that, her itunes sales were OK but she wasn’t usually in the lead (and she definitely didn’t crack top 10 on itunes). I think the itunes sales were much better indicators of marketability prior to the rule change.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Bruno Mars voice reminds me so much of Rod Stewart.

  • jumpstart4u

    Ah, love Bruno Mars

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    Never get tired of Bruno. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    Why is Cassaddee not with the guys right now when Kelly is giving her “You can still be successful if you don’t win” speech.

    Well guys, I think it’s official.

  • http://twitter.com/tukicarreno Tuki

    BRUNO MARS IS JUST WOW WOW..
    I really need to see him in concert. That song he sang was just Brilliant.

  • blackberryharvest

    Adam Lambert and Juliett Simms(to a smaller extent) are up there. Kinda Joshua Ledet.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IDXVM7NCMXZVHX4M2RFBYOTYDA Robert

    Well we almost made it without having to hear Anoop Jr.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Goodness I’m loving this sappy song; great assemble St Nick!  That’s what harmonies are about :)

  • Jordana33

    Team Nicholas sounded awesome! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I don’t agree. I don’t think it’s even close in the 3 cases. And, needless to say, the 3 are much more talented than Cassadee to deserve some pimping.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

     LOL this year you know they were just going to give one to Cassadee but then said that would be too obvious.

  • Jordana33

    Cassadee is singing again??? Did anyone else think that Terry should have performed with The Killers? To me that would have made more sense. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

    That really was nice and it really made me appreciate Trevin more.

  • chillj

    Erm, yeah.  Didn’t Kelly just blow the finale contest?

  • iluvai

    Oh my goodness, I didn’t even realize they were the new judges when I saw the commercial.  duh!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

     I was kinda hoping for a reprise of Vision of Love with Trevin and Amanda but sadly no we get more Cassadee. I mean I like Cassadee but do they have to make this so obvious.

  • supersonic

    How many times has Cassadee performed tonight?  1100?

  • jumpstart4u

    Not an Avril Lavigne fan.   

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I’ll miss Cee-lo :(

    ETA: and even Christina and her “bitchiness”. lol

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    The American Idol judges will be so lucky if they can get some of the fantastic chemistry these judges have!  I admit I will miss the magic they have achieved!

  • supersonic

    Aww.  I’m going to miss Christina and Cee-Lo.

  • Jordana33

    Great song choice by the coaches. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    There’s just something about having a panel that are all musicians that makes me wish the X Factor had.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Great song choice for the coaches; I love the lay-back vibe.  They manage to convey the sense of unity between them.

  • supersonic

    Who are people going to complain about next season with no Christina and her “bitchiness”?

  • Jordana33

    Random question about Cee Lo’s muppets: Who’s that female muppet? Is she supposed to be a skinny Miss Piggy?

  • Jordana33

    Carson Daly doesn’t even try to sound excited anymore, LOL. 

  • jumpstart4u

    *breathless with anticipation*  NOT

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I want to guess it is Abby (Muppets).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    CAreful Nicholas, Cee Lo might accidently spike you.

  • Jordana33

    Oh well…..now I really don’t give a crap who wins. Best of luck Nicholas!

  • http://twitter.com/Girltalkbf AlesheaDominique

    And Casadee wins. Instead of being surprised, I blew my nose!

  • chillj

    Dammit.  What a surprise.  Heh. My faves nevah win.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    The Voice producers need to work on this one thing – Subtlety. Try to at least hide who the winner is.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

     OMG Cassadee won, I’m so shocked.

  • supersonic

    For any of you wondering about Cee-Lo’s outfit — he did the theme for Thursday Night Football and that’s what he wore in the promos.

  • genius13

    YAY CASSADEE…. The voice just joined the VERY exclusive club of talent shows that can produce a female winner…congrats

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Was it my impression or she acknowledged the producers first? lol

  • http://twitter.com/Loretta31 Loretta

    What a surprise!!!  NOT

    Congrats Cassadee

    Best of everything to all contestants. 

  • http://twitter.com/bbmetsfan andy

    itunes gave it away… but congrats to her

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    Happy to see the right outcome for a change.  Congratulations Cassadee.  You earned it!  You deserve it!

  • blackberryharvest

    All three of the major ones have produced a female winner, so its not that rare lol.

  • elliegrll

    It’s interesting that the two out of three winners of the Voice are people who came into the show after already establishing a name for themselves in the industry, and having relatively small but solid fanbases.  That’s a little bit of a contrast to AI, where voters tend to gravitate to those who are presented as if they don’t have a lot of experience.

  • blackberryharvest

    I guess it took a semi-famous contestant to finally win The Voice…lol

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Only XF-US don’t have a panel of singers; XF-UK & Australia have their mentors singing duets during the finals.  I’m finding it funny that one of the mentors in the XFUS won’t even sing when one of her contestant is in the finale.

  • genius13

    American idol has failed to produce one in 5 years… I meant recent winners

  • Nedsdag

    Britney singing with Carly?

    No, just, no.

    Oh, I completely forgot about The Voice tonight. Very anticlimactic if you ask me. Enjoy Jermaine anonymity, young lady.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Its been a very entertaining season for me; kudos to the Management for changing the format.  It paid off and this has been a season which I want to watch every week :)

  • beanowl

    CONGRATULATIONS AMANDA BROWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • elliegrll

    Well, who knows if a female contestant will win the Voice or X Factor in the years following those shows sixth season.   

  • Sara M

    Cassadee is the worst winner of a singing show ever. Worse than Lee. Worse than Jermaine. Worse than whoever the heck wins america’s got talent. Worse than that reality show years ago where they purposely picked bad singers and fooled them into thinking they were good singers.

  • http://twitter.com/TroyJRoberson Troy J. Roberson

    You Cassadee haters are funny. Sucks to be you, Go Cassadee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • alonzo7

    Don’t understand the feelings against Cassadee-I thought she was great and the most marketable-she was the only one I voted for with the exception of Amanda Brown and Brian Keith.
    Congratulations to all three finalists-they were very entertaining-I will miss Cee-Lo-I find Usher totally lacking in personality.  Don’t know much about Shakira but I’ll give it a try because I love the turning of the chairs auditions.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    The fact she’s the worst winner ever, and a female, shows how much TPTB, working agressively, can elect anyone as the winner.

    The winner of The Voice this year is Mark Burnnett for sure.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ENXWTPQX7WDUGFKDMOUHAWCQMY Van

    I thought tonight’s finale was super entertaining!! No over the top production, just people having fun singing. It was a good show :)

  • Sara M

    Hey Monday is trending on twitter ahead of Cassadee. That says it all to me. She only won because her band was already famous. Maybe for season 13 idol can get Hillary Scott from Lady Antebellum to audition for the show.

  • http://twitter.com/cheeseE1 EH

    That was so heartwarming to see after Cassadee’s long two-month struggle as a solo artist while her band is on hiatus.  Maybe Brandon Flowers’ solo effort would have done better if he had competed on The Voice, too?

    It did seem like I heard the words “joined on stage by Cassadee Pope” coming out of Carson’s mouth every five minutes, so that was kind of annoying. Also annoying – butchering “It’s Time”  Good God, the five “hearthrob” boys sounded better than that mess. 

    But she’s the winner the show and America wanted, so good luck to her.  If they can’t make a star out of a semi-famous girl who seems to have left a major label solely for the purpose of competing on this show, then I don’t think it’s going to happen.  She seems talented enough, pretty enough, charming enough, etc. Just don’t expose people to her constantly for 2 hours because it wears a little thin.

    Kelly’s consolation pep talk to Terry and Nicholas was funny. “You don’t need to win!”  At the end, Terry obviously knew what was going on, but I felt like Nicholas honestly thought he had a shot.

  • twodollars

    They’ll complain about Shakira. Even though she is 1/1000th as bitchy as Christina, she’ll still speak her mind. And people seem to consistently have problems with out-spoken women on these reality shows.

  • Nedsdag

    Maybe AI could get Amber Riley of Glee to audition again as well.

    This season’s show might as well be called The Ringer instead of The Voice. What an bland winner and I forgot her name already.

    The real winner of The Voice to me was Amanda Brown. Let’s hope either Adam or Cee Lo can get her signed to a recording contract. 

  • http://twitter.com/cannon_x Cannon X

    Where does it say that The Voice is an amateur show contest? IT DOESN’T! It’s an open casting call. Anybody who doesn’t have a record deal already can audition for the show. The prize is a record deal! Most washed up singers think auditioning for a tv show like this is beneath them and they continue to be washed up. I say good for Cassadee Pope for taking the chance and auditioning. I’m happy she won.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Hey Monday is trending on twitter ahead of Cassadee. That says it all to me. She only won because her band was already famous.

    I’ve noticed that social media firms often look at quantity of tweets without reference to content, and this often gives a false impression of what’s happening on Twitter. If you check the tweets, yes, there are many from fans saying they adored her since her Hey Monday days… but there are also a notable proportion of tweets complaining that she shouldn’t have been on The Voice because she’d already been in Hey Monday or mocking that she should have sung with Hey Monday instead of The Killers tonight. I doubt that those last two groups voted for her.

    People tweeting about a person (especially to congratulate) also often use that person’s Twitter handle rather than the person’s name, and Twitter handles don’t trend. So that chatter about Cassadee Pope isn’t measured.

    Based on those facts, I wouldn’t draw conclusions about the causes of her win from the close position of two trending items.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Well, Amanda Brown didn’t win like I thought she should have, but it was a good season!

  • Klaine

    Don’t know if this will get read but wondering if MJ (or anyone) has done research into the Voice format of 3 males &1 female coach. Was there a specific strategy… What affect does it have on viewers.. Was it an accident that others copied

    There are tons of versions from south america to europe. I don’t know all of them but seems us,UK,Australia have had the 1 female judge. Is it big brothers picking on a little sister. I’m just curious.

    Have any voice winners in any country become a huge success? I didn’t watch the voice until the last few weeks but read cassadee was a professional singer with a decently known and successful brand that tired with major acts. Prov a bit if an unfair advantage based in experience and even built in fan base

    I miss the days when a waitresses or a farm girl that never had been in a plane or a single mom could really go from rags to riches abs when winning really meant something and truly changed their lives overnight

  • http://twitter.com/shining4moon Tun Moon

    awwww…
    that song ” Times of our lives ” is so great…
    Xtina is one of the best female voice ever….
    will miss u …..Xtina…
    The voice will never be the same without u….:(

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

     It’s nice to see a 100% sensible post. 

  • girlygirltoo

    Exactly the result I was expecting.  I don’t see any of them becoming a star, but we’ll see. Good luck to all 3 with their future careers.

  • Valentin432

    To have researched it a little bit, there’s always at least as many male judges as female judges and the vast majority has more mal judges than female judges, that’s true for any singing show, any country or any season.
    That means tousands of seasons of singing shows, that’s not specific to the voice and translates that the music business is a men’s world.

    Karise Eden (Voice Australia first winner) has gone double platinium in Australia, altough that album is mostly comprised of covers she did on the show. She was topping week in and week out the itunes chart of that country. Not sure if she can already be seen as a big success, but I don’t see major reasons why The Voice couldn’t give birth to a recording star given enough tries.

    I don’t think much about the early fanbases arguments, that’s not been true before, I don’t know why it would be now, I can’t really believe that Cassadee was that well known to millions of americans, The Voice is known to give a second chance to vets of the music business and I can apreciate that at least they come forward with that information and don’t try to hide any of it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OSOOTOBRL4XGHQNICOXCCN5IXQ lisa

    I was so hoping Nicolas would win.I heard him 1 time sing awhile back and just fell in love with his blues style.never even heard the others.it was Nicolas to me as the winner    

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

     I always thought The Voice was a “second chance” show for people who already had experience or a previous contract.  You know, like that first guy that won.  Didn’t they even say something along those lines in season 1? On the one hand, people are saying Cassadee will go nowhere after the show and on the other hand they are saying her loyal fanbase propelled her to victory, lol.

  • Anny_nanny

    “Casadee Pope and Terry McDermott join Kelly Clarkson
    on stage to sing “Catch My Breath”. NOT WHAT I WAS EXPECTING. Allow
    Queen Kelly to sing on her own, please. Casadee and Terry’s voices sound
    so thin next to Kelly’s. Cassadee sounds reed-thin. Hm. Terry is a
    better singer than Cassadee, if I’m being honest.”

    I agree. Casadee sounds too shrill, Terry sounds in the background, but they do not give vocal nuances as Kelly.
    I confess, I listened to Queen and looked at the ring.

  • http://twitter.com/cheeseE1 EH

    Yeah, Cassadee seemed like she was trying to outdo Kelly and Terry was “WTF am I singing?” plus his voice pretty much died yesterday.  Not my favorite Kelly song, but she sang the sh*t out of it, as usual. 

  • http://twitter.com/kuyanyan Yanyan | RR

    What I like about this show is that it doesn’t care whether you’re an amateur or a professional so long as you can sing. On Idol, they go to great lengths just to paint each contestant as an amateur singer trying it out.The Voice doesn’t mind telling us that their contestants have made an album before, sang lead for a relatively successful band, etc. A lot of hate has been directed to Idol’s “plants” whereas The Voice doesn’t seem to mind showing us a whole garden.

  • http://twitter.com/kuyanyan Yanyan | RR

    Touring with major bands and singers doesn’t mean you’re a big name in the industry. If at all, these major bands are trying to do you a favor by introducing your music to their fans. Hey Monday wasn’t even that big of a band to begin with and was only known to a small group of people. They only have four music videos, a couple of singles and two albums. For most of us, this is the first time we’ve heard of Cassadee Pope so I doubt her Hey Monday fanbase is big enough to affect the results.

  • http://twitter.com/kuyanyan Yanyan | RR

    At least The Voice doesn’t try to hide it. Idol have had their share of plants and they’d like us to believe that these are people who’ve just begun to sing in front of thousands of people.

  • Anny_nanny

    I have no problem with the fact that Cassadee not invented a sob-story, and I never was naive enough to think that David C and Adam L “just ran past”. And to the waitress became a super star she should be called “Kelly”. Someone comes up with a ton of sob-story and never remembers about school vocals and a hundred of castings. I always respect the result if it is visible.And I have no problems with Cassadee”s choice of song even, I understand that this is a TV show. The problem is that to be waitresses will be much more people than to become Kelly – this is what I see and hear.

    Can I wish a girl properly use the new momentum and get new fans. Experience shows, fans of the show rarely remember about the winners of last season, ask Javier, Jermaine and Melanie.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I think the pimping for Cassadee is the worst pimping ever in any of these shows. Correct someone if i’m wrong, i’m not sure.

    Nah, there is a long line of pimpees from AI that were way more obvious. It all started 10 years ago with Ruben and there has been two or more contestants pimped to the heavens every year on Idol.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Congratulations to Cassadee! Love it when we have a female winner!

  • blackberryharvest

    Not like Cassadee.

  • http://twitter.com/kuyanyan Yanyan | RR

    It’s not about the sob story or whether or not a contestant have performed before, it’s about their growth as an artist before our eyes. Carrie Underwood was good but she wasn’t really the frontrunner until she sang Alone. Melinda Dolittle was clearly the best contestant on AI6 but as polished as her performances and vocals were, Jordin beat her. Amanda peaked too soon in the competition and she never managed to catch the same spark of “Dream On” while Melanie, (though I love her) a cannon fodder, grew before our eyes. The reason people doesn’t remember Javier is because he was given the wrong materials and Universal wasn’t too keen to support him after the show. Jermaine got a terrible first single and seriously, how did he win last year? Melanie, though as good as she is, is just like Jermaine. They don’t have charisma.

    About Kelly Clarkson, she tried to pursue a career in music (she even recorded some demos) and even had cameos in some TV shows but it didn’t work out until Idol came along. She wasn’t always a waitress, it was just her day job just like every other struggling artists have day jobs. As you can see, Kelly isn’t as average as she seems. She’s a singer through and through. It’s just how Idol made it seem to be and it’s just as likely that Idol will continue to paint every contestant as an average girl or boy trying to make a name for themselves in the industry.

  • blackberryharvest

     

    Love it when we have a female winner!

    Being female doesn’t automatically mean she deserved to win. Amanda or one of the guys deserved it more. Sometimes I feel like people want females to win just for the sake of them winning-no matter how mediocre they are.

  • 1rollbounce2

    Wow, Bruno Mars is just amazing.  Really great love songs in his arsenal and that’s refreshing.  Nicholas’ quartet was the SHIT!!!!  Amanda and Nicholas were my final two.

    Cassadde’s voice annoys the hell outta me!!!  Sorry country fans but she’s got the country nasally thing to me and it sucks! 

    Lastly, I LOVE KELLY CLARKSON!

  • blackberryharvest

     

    Sorry country fans but she’s got the country nasally thing to me and it sucks!

    she isn’t country.

  • Anny_nanny

    She sings like country, I think apologies were to fans of other singers, who sing similarly. I have not watched all of season, but what I heard – it was a typical performance of country-singer of songs from other genres. It sounded strange, to say the least. What was she going to sing after the show – that’s her business and her fans, they be live with it.

  • Anny_nanny

    About Kelly Clarkson: “recorded some demos” sounds a bit different than “have a few albums”.

    I’m not against the fact that The Voice attracts ready musicians – this is normal and any person should have the chance to change their life, and the audience will get acquainted with something new. For this, for example, I love The X-Factor – it gives a chance to “old people” (I am categorically opposed to discussion here, that XF give not chance of anyone, this is my sadness). But it can’t cancel the fact that you can not only listen to praises from the fans – if Cassadde had enough of fans, she did not need to be in this show. She is a grown-up girl to be able to analyze what is happening. Our taste does not always coincide with our possibilities: I love Montserrat Caballe, but I’m not trying to sing her songs even in the shower.
    While I don’t have a horse in race, I have not seen this season in full, it is quite possible, Cassadde the most worthy of victory.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Kelly was great but that outfit was the ugliest thing ever.”

    This happens a lot. lol

  • EmmaCT

    I really loved this third season. I was entertained every week by the performances, discovered new songs that I now love and new artists that I can’t wait to hear again. It was always entertaining, and even the “least” of the performances any week were good. The contestants were gracious (that’s their professionalism) and there was humor each week. So congratulations Cassadee, and on to season four.

  • 1rollbounce2

    hey blackberry, sorry to confuse you.  i said she’s got the country nasally thing to me.  operative and important words here = “to me” and “country nasally thing”.  but if she’s your girl n all, congratulations! 

    was thinkin’ what would have been really funny is to see kelly, avril, and cassadde try breakaway as a trio!  LOL

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

     Yes.  Sorry I didn’t reply sooner, but we turned off the tv–it’s exam week for high schoolers.  And there was nothing in this show for me.  I really thought Gracia was incredibly talented–why Blake pitted his country acts against each other, I’ll never understand.

  • kmd23

    That is exactly what I thought of the show. Bruno and Nick’s quartet were great. I did think that it was entertaining last night. Both Cassadee and her voice annoy me. She acted like she knew she won during the entire show. Although why wouldn’t she as it was so obvious. I think Cassadee will do as well as the previous 2 voice winners which does not say much.

  • albean99

    My favorites were Amanda (who I wanted to win) and Bryan but I’m happy that Cassadee won out of the f3. I thought she improved all season and much as Nicholas & Terry are nice guys and excellent singers, I don’t see them as marketable.  Overall I think it was a good season even though I’d rather have a different f3. 

  • wordnerdarchie

    Sorry country fans but she’s got the country nasally thing to me and it sucks!

    she isn’t country.

    According to my TV wake-up morning news crew she IS country – they called her “the country singer who won the Voice last night” in their entertainment news cast segment just a few minutes ago.

  • MrDuffin

    Another example of the producers picking the winner based on other things other than talent. Cassadee was the worst of the final three for sure!

  • Jae

    I don’t have a problem with Cassaddee winning. she had a couple of performances that I love ( that Blake and Miranda for one ) and she is a girl. She isn’t very unique and does have the best vocal most of the time, but she can fit into the pop/-lt rock radio scene. Or even pop country. The Voice succeeded where Idol has failed over the last 5 years. They produced a young female pop winner.

  • Jae

    I agree. I never heard of her band. Never heard of her.

  • justmefornow

    So I see Cassadee won, what a surprise, lol.

    I must say, even from having not watched this show, just seeing the videos, for a show so stacked with semi and professional second chance singers, this is the best they could come up with?  Really?

    Although Cassadee is probably the most marketable of this rather lame top 3, I don’t see her or the others making much noise in sales or on the charts.

    My prediction, since itunes will no longer be counting multiple same sales: she’ll be lucky to even sell as well as Haley Reinhardt.

  • Incipit

    So I see Cassadee won, what a surprise, lol.

    Heh. Such Suspense! Not. Is anyone really surprised? That was telegraphed by iTunes pretty early on. Ah well, No one on this show has caught my interest yet – although I wish her luck, but the track record here for the winners isn’t a confidence builder.

  • Jordana33

    Cassadee may not have had enough fans to sell her music, but she definitely started off with enough fans to win a singing competition. When she auditioned for The Voice, she already had almost 200,000 twitter followers (and that doesn’t include additional Hey Monday followers). Those are more followers than what most American Idol winners have right after the Idol finale! So the other contestants never stood a chance. To put it in perspective: it only takes about 30,000 downloads in a 12-hour period to get your song to #1 on itunes, so it was definitely possible for her to do that with the fans that she already had. 

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    As many have said, not an unpredictable result. 

    There’s been a lot of talk about Cassadee being a female winner, but I don’t think that’s what The Voice TPTB cared about. I think it was more important that they get a YOUNG winner. The first 2 season’s winners were over 30 y.o. Cassadee is only 23. 

  • waitingforthe1

    It’s funny to come here and read all these anti-Cassadee comments.  You can tell who the demographic is by the blog you’re reading.  On another site I post on they are THRILLED that Casadee won and have pretty much hated every guy winner on Idol since Cook.  They favor females over males where here it seems to be the exact opposite. 

    That said, I don’t get anyone who claims that Casadee can’t sing.  I mean really?  She’s got a fantastic voice that is very versatile.  No she’s not a powerhouse belter like Amanda but that doesn’t mean she sucks.   I loved her versions of Cry and Over You.  She brings real and raw emotion to her singing. 

    I predict she’ll have a lot of success both in sales and on radio.  She’s incredibly talented and she had some real stand out performances on this season. 

    When she won I said to myself “well finally the right person won one of these”…to me it’s been a very long time since that’s happened. 

    oh and it’s not pimping when it’s honest.  You don’t get to #1 on itunes without connecting to the audience. 

  • Listening

    The Voice messed up by showing the final Itunes ranking. Everyone knew
    who had won when we saw Cassadee was 1 and 3 in itunes. The other 2 just
    didn’t have high enough placements and it was obvious. What the voice
    should of done was reveal the ranking after the finale then their would
    of been some suspense.

    That’s one tweak to the show they should
    really look into. It would improve the show just like the other changes
    of adding a steal and multiplying top 10 placements on itunes were
    advantages/intelligent, making it more likely to come out w/ a winner
    that can sell.

  • Anny_nanny

    Elementary logic says that followers of the group = followers vocalist, any way it is not a “+”. If they make a couple of accounts, you add new followers to fan-base? And any way the followers of the network are not equal sales, alas. If you don’t believe me, ask Colton and Jessica, ??11, how many singles they sold after the season (no offense to these kids, there were reasons for that).
    Voice stimulates the fans buy the song, but this incentive is not enough and for a week, so don’t tell me about a rabid fan-base Cassadee, I’m not trusting baby.
    Yes, the girl was sold better than the others, but this is not always a question of quality, it’s often the effect of the background. Now her main task is to record an good album, to be able to sell it and not disappear like many. And no, I’m not going to check on this album, I don’t like this vocals. Even if she will perform rap, it will still be a country-voice.
    I will be happy, if the Voice begins to work correctly with the winners and will help with the promotion.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    They just announced on Kelly and Michael that Cassadee will be on the show tomorrow. I wonder if she’s been given a “coronation” single to release?

  • Jordana33

    It’s funny to come here and read all these anti-Cassadee comments.  You can tell who the demographic is by the blog you’re reading.

     Keeping in mind that a lot of people at this site liked Amanda and Melanie, I’m curious to know what our demographics are! Cassadee connected with the audience whenever she sang country music, so maybe you can tell me the demographic of people who voted for her too? Oh yeah, and I love Avril Lavigne.

  • elliegrll

    At least The Voice doesn’t try to hide it. Idol have had their share of plants and they’d like us to believe that these are people who’ve just begun to sing in front of thousands of people.

    AI has plants too, but it still seems like AI voters are more likely to vote for the less seasoned performers than the ones who were obviously given a free pass into the competition, because of their backgrounds.  That hasn’t been the case with the voters on The Voice.

    Also, during some seasons, like seasons 9 and 10, the less seasoned performers were a lot better than those who had more experience. Or at least they seemed to handle the pressures of the show better than the more experienced ones.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I’m not as enthused about Cassadee’s singing as you are, but I preferred Amanda, so didn’t necessarily want a guy to win. lol  IMO, Cassadee is very marketable, sings OK and seems like a nice person, so I wish her well.

    The iTunes results reflect a connection to the audience, but they changed the rules part way through, and started multiplying the iTunes downloads by a factor of 10 (up to 10 downloads per person) if the song was in the top 10 before the cut off time for voting, and I think that “bonus” really motivated the fans to multiple buy. So those sales may be a bit inflated, especially with a relatively large and rabid fanbase like Cassadee’s. It’s hard to know how these songs would have ranked if only single downloads were counted.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Hopefully Cassadee has or will secure better management than the two previous winners of The Voice since that is not included in the winner’s package.

  • elliegrll

    The reason people doesn’t remember Javier is because he was given the wrong materials and Universal wasn’t too keen to support him after the show. 

    Bringing it back to the show, and the things that you said earlier in this post, I’d say that another reason why he isn’t memorable is because he basically won on because of his audition song.  That was one of the problems with the first season of the Voice, we only got to hear the contestants sing four or five times, so there was no chance to get to know him.  People fell in love with Javier’s audition, but he never had the chance to grow beyond that, and show what he’s capable of.  Not that his age or style of music were going to help him have a stable career.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    They just announced on Kelly and Michael that Cassadee will be on the show tomorrow. I wonder if she’s been given a “coronation” single to release?

    Now things get exciting: is this going to be a quick victory lap, after which Cassadee Pope vanishes into the mists that devoured Jermaine Paul… or the beginning of a real launch, or something in between?

    I’m betting against the launch of a new single right now, as it would have made more sense to launch it on the show finale, while the audience is as hopped up as Voice audiences get. She’ll probably do one of her most popular covers, unless it’s the season for mandatory Christmas classics.

    There’s somewhat of a lost opportunity here, as a good song — a well-written song that’s about normal song stuff, rather than “I saddled the wild horses of ambition on my winding road to my dreams” — would be getting its TV exposure now (while the finale is still news) for a radio launch after the New Year. Unless TPTB are serious and committed about a Casey James-style launch (build slowly, network, work radio, etc.), there’s a lot to be said for a solid single now with radio tour, work on a good album for spring/summer, launch a second single nearer the album drop date.

  • ptebwwong

    The media & online comments are mostly happy Cassadee won especially since she’s a female winner. Just because she’s female doesn’t mean she will have any success. It’s not like Melanie Amaro has had much success or is even being promoted much & she was the first female winner from a big talent show in years. It’s not like any female contestant on Idol has really done well post-show since Jordin. Most of the successes (even for 1 album) has been male like Cook, Scotty, Adam, Kris, Archie, Casey James, etc.

    It is good that The Voice can say that they have a female winner like XF can say the same thing. Idol can’t. But they have to deliver in making that female winner a success. Just like XF had to deliever in making Melanie a success. It doesn’t matter if a female wins if they still do nothing on the charts or for sales. As much as the public say we hate the Idol winners for the last 5 years have been WGWG’s, 4 of the 5 winners (except Lee) were actually successful at least for a album in terms of sales &/or big hits.

    I hope Cassadee & The Voice will have a successful winner or even contestant. But they need to fix their marketing & management first. Hopefully, they learned from the past 2 mistakes with Javier & Jermaine.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I agree, especially with this part:

    “There’s somewhat of a lost opportunity here, as a good song — a
    well-written song that’s about normal song stuff, rather than “I
    saddled the wild horses of ambition on my winding road to my dreams” —
    would be getting its TV exposure now (while the finale is still news)
    for a radio launch after the New Year.”

    A while ago, I think that I read on this blog that The Voice had recruited someone who was going to be involved in a “real” launch of the winner, unlike the pseudo-launch of the previous winners. I’m hoping for Cassadee’s sake that this is true.

  • mmb

    If there is no picture of Avril and Kelly comparing their mega engagement rings then the media and Voice producers have utterly failed!  (Kelly’s obvious excitement re: her engagement is seriously cute)

  • Anny_nanny

    I remember too. They will be in charge of UMG. It scares me and reassuring at the same time.

  • Valentin432

     The buying multiple times argument has been done so many times in this site, that I’m surprised you bring this up.

    It’s been very clear for years, that it doesn’t impact anything, the number of idol fanbases that have tried to do something like that and come short is proof of that and those idols had much more than 200k twitter followers.
    They would never skyrocket a song to the top spot of itunes, there needs to be hundred of tousands of people buying your song, not a small fanbase buying multiple times.

    The multiplying itunes purchases was announced before the finals began, that was a Juliett Simms inspired rule IMO. Is that really a bad thing to reward purchasing power over people who can spend their entire night redialing? I’m not sure.

  • wordnerdarchie

    No she didn’t….. oh yes she did…. Kathy Lee G just said Cassadee’s voice was like Carrie Underwood’s voice. 

  • Incipit

    Hyperbole is contagious?  Otherwise, the woman has lost her mind.

     IMO. Of Course

  • girlygirltoo

    This will be interesting to see how they market her and how quickly they get original music out there. New singles generally don’t get released in December because they won’t get much radio play until after New Year’s anyway because of all the Christmas songs and then the end of the year countdowns a lot of stations focus on. But if they wait too long to launch her, then they are competing against the new season of Idol and whoever ends up winning that (not to mention XF), which could be a problem if the public just switches its attention to that reality singing competition and forgets about who won this one. And then the new season of The Voice will start up, so that show will move on from Cassadee (although I’m sure they will bring her back to perform). It seems like she will have a pretty small window of opportunity to really capitalize on this win, even smaller than has been true in the past. 

    On the other hand,  she does have the advantage of the Hey Monday fanbase, which likely won’t abandon her if it takes awhile to get her album out. So she definitely is starting from a better position than Javier or Jermaine. And if she gets a song like “Home” (not similar in style, because that song wouldn’t suit her — I mean similar in being really catchy and radio friendly that seems likely to have a wide appeal), she could do really well.

    So yeah — I don’t have a good idea on which way this is going to end up going for her.

  • elliegrll

    Obviously, Kathy Lee has never heard Carrie sing.

    The Voice scored a series high in the household ratings last night.  I guess people didn’t stop watching because the first two winners haven’t been successful.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    The Voice scored a series high in the household ratings last night.  I guess people didn’t stop watching because the first two winners haven’t been successful.

    I’d have thought the varied and exciting all-star guest performer list might have driven viewership a tad more than the tension and suspense of the Pope-McDermott-David competition. The Voice did well on its slate of performers last night to appeal to a moderately broad demographic.

  • Kirsten

     

    The Voice scored a series high in the household ratings last night.  I
    guess people didn’t stop watching because the first two winners haven’t
    been successful.

    Yep. Just like all those chef shows and America’s Next Top Model, the viewers are not really all that interested in post-show success.

    The producers of these shows will see that and focus even less on the contestants. Don’t be surprised if the labels don’t bother trying much either (soon the prize will probably be done away with – they can call it a development deal or something).

    At least the less successful Idols can stop being blamed for tanking the ratings. Jermaine Paul was even less successful than Javier and ratings went up.  It’s always been the producer’s fault. It’s their job to create compelling television.

    I don’t think they really need to bother about making Cassadee a success. Lose her number and focus on editing the new judges to be fun.

  • Kirsten

    The buying multiple times argument has been done so many times in this site, that I’m surprised you bring this up.

    I’m usually one of the first to debunk bulk buying arguments, but we’ve never seen bulk buying being used as a way to actually vote (I think most times people skip the bulk buying because they know it doesn’t mean anything). The Voice limits other ways to vote, so that ups the need to vote via iTunes as well.

    This year, they added the 10x bonus for hitting the top 10. I think that it’s interesting that iTunes voting is a much bigger factor this season than it was last season (they are making a much bigger impression on the iTunes chart within the voting window).

    I think this time, the bulk buying has been significant. The Voice has identified a way to create a perfect-storm of bulk-buying.

    The multiplying itunes purchases was announced before the finals began,
    that was a Juliett Simms inspired rule IMO. Is that really a bad thing
    to reward purchasing power over people who can spend their entire night
    redialing?

    The Voice already limits the number of redialing votes you can get. What this rule does is reward the more rabidly invested fan while decreasing the relevance of votes from casual fans. Casual fans vote for free a couple of times. Rabid fans vote as much as they possibly can. It’s like text voting on steroids.

  • http://twitter.com/kuyanyan Yanyan | RR

    Not exactly. Remember that Dia and Juliet, both runner-ups, consistently placed first in the iTunes ranking yet they were beaten by BBGs. Amanda didn’t even chart with Spectrum while everyone did on that week and yet she managed to stay longer than most of them. I love how transparent they are with these things so we don’t have to wonder how a contestant can still stay in the competition when there are so many better than him/her. Where The Voice messed up is the cumulative iTunes votes for the finale and the iTunes bonus for those who chart in the top 10. If you have a contestant who has been on the Top 10 iTunes charts for a couple of weeks, how many votes will that count? I have no problem with rewarding a contestant with more votes if they charted in the Top 10 but it shouldn’t be as big as x10. Maybe x2~5 would be enough. Placing first on iTunes was never a guarantee of winning in previous seasons but all these changes to the iTunes votes made a big impact as to how the charts predicts the winner.

  • windmills

    Valentin432: They would never skyrocket a song to the top spot of itunes, there needs to be hundred of tousands of people buying your song, not a small fanbase buying multiple times.

    I agree with your point as it applies to overall or even weekly sales. But, it would take a lot less than what you’re saying to top Itunes for a day. Let’s take this week’s #1 digital seller, Bruno Mars’s Locked Out Of Heaven. It sold 222k, which averages to less than 32k per day on all digital outlets. No doubt Itunes accounts for the vast majority of those. I don’t think it’s so crazy to speculate that a committed fanbase of 5k or 6k goosed those Itunes numbers too get to #1 during the voting window. 

    That being said, the committed fanbase is definitely not responsible for majority of the 150k Cassadee’s version of Over You sold. That took wide appeal. I forgot to keep track of how her version of Stupid Boy did as the week went but I’m sure that performance will get a good sales number too.

    All that being said, I’m LOLing at some of the media saying Cassadee should go country. I mean, really? It isn’t what she favors and her lack of interpreting finesse would sink her at a format that is already not that easy for women to crack. IMO saying Cassadee should go country is a total misunderstanding of why her performances of Over You, Stupid Boy, Stand, and Cry appealed to people (and just for the record, I thought her performances of Stupid Boy and Cry pale in comparison to the originals). They were really good songs (excepting Over You IMO, though plenty of people disagree) that she put a pop/rock spin on. 

    The lesson from this should not be that Cassadee is best suited to going country because that IMO is setting her up to fail. The lesson should be that she should come up with big hooky emotional pop songs and maybe that’s likeliest to happen if she spends time writing in Nashville. I know she’s written with Liz Rose (who cowrote most if not all of Taylor Swift’s best written songs) and Emily Shackelton (who cowrote Love Like Mine from the Nashville soundtrack and also Dream Big, which was in the running to be David Cook’s coronation song) in the past year, and she’s been writing with other Nashville writers too like Joshua Crosby (who isn’t a country guy). 

    I’m not really a fan but, I’m definitely interested to see what Cassadee comes up with albumwise. I feel like she could be a good addition to the pop world and maybe the timing’s right for that.

  • Sara M

    The Voice scored a series high in the household ratings last night.  I
    guess people didn’t stop watching because the first two winners haven’t
    been successful

    Higher than after the superbowl?

  • Sara M

      It’s funny to come here and read all these anti-Cassadee comments.  You
    can tell who the demographic is by the blog you’re reading.  On
    another site I post on they are THRILLED that Casadee won and have
    pretty much hated every guy winner on Idol since Cook.  They favor
    females over males where here it seems to be the exact opposite.

     I’m 22 and I think Cassadee is terrible. I usually have favorites that are girls, but I’m not going to have someone as a favorite just because she is a girl. I’ll admit, Nicholas and Terry are pretty dreadful, but Casadee is just not a good singer. You could see that when she sang with Kelly and The Killers. She is off pitch soooo much. The only way she stays on pitch is if she barely sings and whispers songs in simple melody. You don’t need to be a “powerhouse”, but you at least need to not be pitchy, dog…haha.

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    Now that the competition is over, they have packaged the 3 finalists’ complete season’s worth of songs as 12 track albums on iTunes.

    Cassadee is at #11, but all three are in the top 30.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I disagree, and in some cases, an organized campaign by a large (and rabid) online fanbase can most definitely boost sales significantly.  

    As for the rankings on iTunes, the Voice contestants have an advantage over non-Voice artists in that up to 10 downloads from a single purchaser all “count” towards their totals (and therefore, iTunes rankings), whereas only a single download per purchaser is counted for all other artists.

    Cassadee has over 355,000 twitter followers, and it’s not unreasonable to imagine that if even 1% of those followers (3,550) bought 10 downloads each, that would add 35,500 downloads to that song instead of the 3,550 that would normally be “counted”. This may be a conservative estimate, but even this amount would skews the rankings and isn’t comparing apples to apples.

    As for whether it’s good or bad to “reward” multiple buying, that’s a matter of opinion, but IMO, the fact the the Voice contestants are allowed to included up to 10 downloads per person in their sales totals (which then are included in the iTunes rankings) makes me take their iTunes rankings less than seriously.

  • waitingforthe1

    The Voice already limits the number of redialing votes you can get. What this rule does is reward the more rabidly invested fan while decreasing the relevance of votes from casual fans. Casual fans vote for free a couple of times. Rabid fans vote as much as they possibly can. It’s like text voting on steroids.
    By the time you add up all the iTunes votes across the entire season (while not doing the same for those cast by casual voters), the impetus to vote as often as possible via iTunes is overwhelming.

    But isn’t the buying limit 10 per person just like the phone voting limit is 10 per person?  How many people do you think would actually buy 10 copies of the same song JUST to cast a vote for someone on one of these shows, and do it for weeks at a time no less?  I’m going to guess not many.

    Also, every constestant has the same opportunity for their fans to buy their songs so it’s not like Cassadee has some advantage over everyone else, unless of course we’re faulting her for having a bigger fanbase in general than the others? 

    Personally I’d like to see Idol incorporate the itunes sales into the voting as well because it’s seems if people are willing to spend their money on you it’s a good indication of your prospects for future success. 

  • Valentin432

    Love the way people review their position every time a ratings get out when there’s approximately 100 000 ratings of different episodes of singing shows out there to serve as data.

  • Valentin432

    HAve you seen ANTM ratings?

    Yup, let’s get pass the relevant data, at least the intentions here are clear for long time suffering Kris fans.

  • Kirsten

     

    HAve you seen ANTM ratings?

    It’s been going for 19 seasons. Its ratings are never great, but they don’t really seem to be affected by its complete inability to make anybody a top model in any of those seasons. If generating success post-season was relevant, the show would have been cancelled in season 2.

    I would suggest that ratings are more affected by people tiring of the format/repetitiveness than the success of the models.

    The Voice ratings certainly seem to reflect that. The ratings just keep going up because they keep the format fresh irregardless of how badly their contestants do post-season.

  • waitingforthe1

    I’m 22 and I think Cassadee is terrible. I usually have favorites that are girls, but I’m not going to have someone as a favorite just because she is a girl. I’ll admit, Nicholas and Terry are pretty dreadful, but Casadee is just not a good singer. You could see that when she sang with Kelly and The Killers. She is off pitch soooo much. The only way she stays on pitch is if she barely sings and whispers songs in simple melody. You don’t need to be a “powerhouse”, but you at least need to not be pitchy, dog…haha

    Were we watching the same show?  off pitch?? really? during Over you and Cry? hmmmm I think if that were the case at least one of the four judges would’ve said something, probably Christina in fact. 

    No one is going to sound great singing next to Kelly Clarkson.  She arguably one of the best vocalist of the last decade so that’s an unfair comparison. 

    I didn’t even see her with the Killers….where was she? 

    As for whispering and singing simple melody I think you might be mixing Casadee up with Melanie (who I loved and actually stopped watching after she was gone). 

    Clearly the most techincal singers didn’t win, that was Trevin and Amanda.  I think we’ve all learned over the years that singing isn’t the only aspect of these competitions.  A lot more goes into it. 

    Regarding my comment about the demographics of websites, it wasn’t an age thing I was referring to, but rather a preference for male v. female singers.  I almost always prefer the females over the males and while Cassadee was never my favorite I was glad she won and thought she did so thru hard work and stand out performances that caught people’s attention.

  • Valentin432

    I’m usually one of the first to debunk bulk buying arguments

    That’s why I’m surprised even you buy into any of this stuff.

    It has never ever worked.
    How can you say it’s a problem of incentive.
    The incentive for actual fans to buy the albums of their favorite is much greater that to win a singing show, it’s to make their favorite an success in the real world.

    If their motivation is greater for winning a singing show than to make their idol go platinium, fans are very dumb.

    The Voice already limits the number of redialing votes you can get.
    What this rule does is reward the more rabidly invested fan while
    decreasing the relevance of votes from casual fans. Casual fans vote for
    free a couple of times. Rabid fans vote as much as they possibly can.
    It’s like text voting on steroids.

    Limiting redialing is a method to limit the influence of rabidly invested fans.
    Buying a song is not as easy and cost free as redaling a phone tousands of time, it doesn’t make easier to be a rabid fan, it makes it harder.

    Buying multiple times on itunes is not as easy as redialing a phone.

    By the time you add up all the iTunes votes across the entire season
    (while not doing the same for those cast by casual voters), the impetus
    to vote as often as possible via iTunes is overwhelming.

    The Itunes votes are votes coming from rabid fans and from casual fans.

    It’s been a season long question how people can argue that Cassadee won because of Hey Monday when her downloads were never in the top 10 before she sang Over You. And that’s a difference of a couple hundred tousands downloads, wheter people like it or not, that performance motivated people outside her previous fanbase to buy her stuff.

  • Valentin432

    Cassadee has over 355,000 twitter followers, and it’s not
    unreasonable to imagine that if even 1% of those followers (3,550)
    bought 10 downloads each, that would add 35,500 downloads to that song
    instead of the 3,550 that would normally be “counted”. This may be a
    conservative estimate, but even this amount would skews the rankings and
    isn’t comparing apples to apples.

     
    That type of math has never worked, it’s baffling that veterans on this blog are using arguments that have failed time and time again.
    Do we forget about David Archuleta, Adam Lambert, Jordin Sparks, David Cook or even that Disney club guy last year, just because we don”‘t like Cassadee?
    Twitter followers doesn’t mean buyers there’s extensive evidence of that.

    I mean can we go back to that Arkansas massively voted for Kris Allen theory based on 10 tousand phones distributed to people in Little Rock or that massive churches voting all around the country for some contestant?

    Because that’s the exact same type of math we could use.

  • Kirsten

     

    But isn’t the buying limit 10 per person just like the phone voting
    limit is 10 per person?  How many people do you think would actually buy
    10 copies of the same song JUST to cast a vote for someone on one of
    these shows, and do it for weeks at a time no less?  I’m going to guess
    not many.

    In the past, I would agree. One iTunes purchase was equivalent to dialing the phone once. But they changed the rules this year. Voting 10 times for a contestant via iTunes could mean 100 times this week and 100 times in the final for those same purchases. It changes you from being able to vote a total of 40 times (text, dial, app, iTunes – I’m probably missing one) to 130 times this week plus 100 bonus votes in the finale.

    Look, people for years on Idol have upgraded their phone plans or purchased go phones so that they could text vote. Idol voters brag about voting all night long. I don’t know how much minimum wage is in your neck of the woods, but its $10.25 an hour here. So, if you value your time, it may be worth it for you to spend the $12.90 to buy the 10 songs, multiply it by 10 and get the final voting bonus.

    Why did iTunes sales go up this season compared to last? Were the contestants that much better? Probably not. They should have seen a further erosion of sales like we see with Glee each season. No, iTunes sales went up because more people chose to vote that way and I’m pretty sure it’s because the rules changed.

    I just don’t think we can compare these to bulk buying campaigns because they are entirely different kettles of fish that occur in tiny bubbles and there is almost no reward or positive feedback for doing it.

    Personally I’d like to see Idol incorporate the itunes sales into the
    voting as well because it’s seems if people are willing to spend their
    money on you it’s a good indication of your prospects for future
    success. 

    I’ve discouraged bulk-buying campaigns wherever I can find them, so I hope Idol NEVER cynically adopt this practice. Ugh. Nobody, and I mean nobody, needs 10 copies of a song now that purchasing one copy grants you the right to make copies for personal use.

    Why don’t they just start selling votes? Each vote is a dollar. Those who are more invested or with more money can decide who wins. They should do that with presidential elections. Don’t want to spend $1000 to vote – then don’t complain. Ugh!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!

    If in season iTunes purchases indicated future success, Javier should have sold more than Scotty, not less than one tenth.

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    I can’t imagine even the most rabid fans regularly paying $13 a week to support their favorite. Personally, I’d be more concerned about a contestant with a rich daddy!

  • Sara M

     

    hmmmm I think if that were the case at least one of the four judges would’ve said something, probably Christina in fact. 

    They weren’t honest the whole season, and clearly the producers wanted Cassadee to win, so no, I don’t think the fact that the judges never called her on her off pitch singing doesn’t mean it didn’t exist.

  • Jordana33

    Elementary logic says that followers of the group = followers vocalist, any way it is not a “+”. If they make a couple of accounts, you add new followers to fan-base? And any way the followers of the network are not equal sales, alas.

    Not entirely following what you’re saying. However, most Voice winners end the season with only around 100,000 twitter followers, so if someone starts the season with 200,000 followers, it probably implies a siginificant advantage, regardless of how many sales or votes that translates into, and regardless of extra Hey Monday followers (especially if you can tweet reminders to vote for you). That 200,000 doesn’t even include all of her non-twitter followers. 200,000+ fans is a lot in light of the new itunes rules. it would not be difficult for someone with that fanbase to hit #1 on itunes (it only requires about 30,000 downloads in the voting window), especially since itunes made an allowance for 10 purchases in the window. Therefore 3,000 invested fans purchasing an album 10x = 30,000 sales = 300,000 downloads with the itunes bonus. No one’s arguing that Cassadee didn’t connect with the audience. Of course she did. The point is that there were a lot of other terrific contestants who also connected with viewers, but were eliminated before they could even build half the loyal fanbase that Cassadee had at the beginning. And it takes a devoted (and financially well-off) fanbase to pay for your song multiple times on itunes. BTW, prior to the rule change on itunes, the person with the highest itunes sales from a performance was Amanda Brown (with Dream On), not Cassadee. Changing the rules to weight itunes sales differently changed the way fans voted for contestants and completely made itunes useless as a measure of marketability.  All it tells me is that Cassadee should probably go country, because that’s the genre that allowed her to pick up additional fans. 

  • Valentin432

    Yes there’s been 19 seasons, and yet if you add the viewers from all these episodes, it wouldn’t add up to the number of people who watch one season of Idol.

    It’s a very different thing to have wide massive appeal and to have enough success so that the CW doesn’t cancel you.

    The Voice has three seasons, of course the format, the judges, etc. matter in terms of ratings.

    But using that as a be all end all is ridiculous, I don’t go to a X Factor thread and everytime they put a ratings down from last year put it on the lack of success from the contestants of season 1.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “That type of math has never worked, it’s baffling that veterans on this
    blog are using arguments that have failed time and time again.”

    Of course the math works in this case, even if your point about Twitter followers is a valid one. In terms of achieving a top 10 ranking over 12 hours, the multiple buying most definitely could have a real impact, as Kirsten described.

    My main issue isn’t with the Voice contestants being compared with one another, because they are all playing by the same rules (which are different from the non-Voice artists on iTunes). It’s the issue of their placement in iTunes rankings and the “bonus” that they earn due to that placement. If they want to use iTunes ranking in the top 10 for this bonus, then the Voice contestants need to earn their ranking by abiding by the same rules (ie. one download per person “counts”), otherwise that ranking is suspect. Plus, by playing by the same rules as the non-Voice artists on iTunes, the rankings of the Voice contestants becomes a more reliable measure of real popularity vs. sales that are tainted with multiple buying. Without the “bonus”, then the rankings can be bogus and no harm is done, but with the bonus, then the rankings have a real potential to give some contestants an unfair advantage over others.

    “Do we forget about David Archuleta, Adam Lambert, Jordin Sparks, David
    Cook or even that Disney club guy last year, just because we don”‘t like
    Cassadee?”

    You’re misunderstanding my point. It’s not personal, as I would feel this way even if my favorite from the show (Amanda) were in the same position as Cassadee.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “It’s been a season long question how people can argue that Cassadee won
    because of Hey Monday when her downloads were never in the top 10 before
    she sang Over You. And that’s a difference of a couple hundred tousands
    downloads, wheter people like it or not, that performance motivated
    people outside her previous fanbase to buy her stuff.”

    This is yet another aspect of the Voice that obscures the real popularity of a contestant – the coaches engaging their own fanbases to vote/buy the songs of their contestants. As long as the coaches ask their fans to vote for their contestants, that action further complicates trying to determine real popularit of a song/contestant.

  • Kirsten

    The Voice has three seasons, of course the format, the judges, etc. matter in terms of ratings.

    But using that as a be all end all is ridiculous, I don’t go to a X
    Factor thread and everytime they put a ratings down from last year put
    it on the lack of success from the contestants of season 1.

    I don’t think we are necessarily disagreeing. I’m saying that the compelling show that The Voice has is the reason it has strong ratings.

    I don’t agree that the lack of success of X-Factor contestants has led to it’s faltering ratings (they faltered before they even had any post-season contestants). The format is just not as appealing to US viewers as some of the other singing shows.

    I really think that if success of contestants mattered to the general public, then that should have had an impact on the Voice’s rating. Their contestants bomb worse than Got Talent ones (and let’s face it, that show is just a re-do of the Gong Show). But, their ratings just keep soaring.

    Sure, there are viewers like me who get upset with The Voice for not delivering on their promises while hypocritically pontificating about how everybody is doing the show for the “right” reason (implying it is for the contestants), but people even in the bubble think I’m beating a dead horse. If we don’t care, I can hardly expect the general public to care. 

    So, 5 of us tune out because the Voice just uses and chucks their contestants. For every 5 of us, there are millions who tune in just to see a good show.

    Fair enough. That’s why I watch some other shows (just to be entertained).

    I have just become convinced that The Voice never has to generate a star. Their ratings will suffer when people tire of the format if Mark can’t think of ways to refresh it.

    Experiment: Go ask people outside the bubble if they know that The Voice contestants do not become stars after the show. I bet half of them say “So, what? The same happens with Idol. What’s the last Idol winner doing”. They’ll think you are odd if you point out that Phil probably hit triple platinum in sales for his single and he’s been one of the top 10 selling albums for the last 4 weeks. Then you can scare them away by telling them stats about Scotty.

  • jpfan2

    “I have just become convinced that The Voice never has to generate a star. Their ratings will suffer when people tire of the format if Mark can’t think of ways to refresh it.”

    I agree 100%. I don’t think the success/failure of TV contestants means anything. When Blake or Adam leave that’ll mean something!The winner this season did great on iTunes. Idol should seriously think about including that in the way they pick the winner.

    I watched a few minutes of the show and if either of the guys won, they’d be going nowhere like the last two. JMHO. So maybe Cassadee has a shot at a career. Could happen. Doubt it but it could happen. ;0

  • Valentin432

    Look, people for years on Idol have upgraded their phone plans or
    purchased go phones so that they could text vote. Idol voters brag about
    voting all night long. I don’t know how much minimum wage is in your
    neck of the woods, but its $10.25 an hour here. So, if you value your
    time, it may be worth it for you to spend the $12.90 to buy the 10
    songs, multiply it by 10 and get the final voting bonus.

    After the Little Rock ghosts voting in a stadium on the night of the S8 finale, now we have the rabid Hey Monday fans who have never spent enough money to make their favorite band go gold (not even a single) and now can spend 10 dollars every week for the same track to make their favorite win a tv show.

    Those types of arguments are so far fetched it’s really time sommeone writes a book about it.

    Why did iTunes sales go up this season compared to last? Were the
    contestants that much better? Probably not. They should have seen a
    further erosion of sales like we see with Glee each season. No, iTunes
    sales went up because more people chose to vote that way and I’m pretty
    sure it’s because the rules changed.

     
    The itunes purchase numbers have’t been that much bigger from last season or even more so from season 1 when both Javier and Dia topped the itunes chart.

    It’s tough to attribute to anything other than people liking the contestants from season 3 more, if you look at people who review the show, they say that the contestants were better this year than last.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Actually, we saw that to skyrocket a song to the top, it would take more or less 20-30k copies on the eligible period, which means that less than 1% of Cassadee’s fanbase buying 10 singles could do that.

  • jpfan2

    “Actually, we saw that to skyrocket a song to the top, it would take more or less 20-30k copies on the eligible period, which means that less than 1% of Cassadee’s fanbase buying 10 singles could do that.”

    I think Cassadee sold 100K plus downloads this week. And I’ve seen her topping iTunes for weeks now. That takes more than 20-30K copies sold!  Whatever % she sold, she still did way better than anyone else on the show as far as I see.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think that the commercial success of “Over You” had a lot to do with Blake and Miranda’s fanbases (they composed the song). At any rate, when Cassadee releases her own music, then we’ll see what her real popularity is separate from people voting (or downloading her covers) as part of the Voice activities.

  • Valentin432

    Saying that the ratings keep soaring is a mistake, the ratings aren’t soaring, last season and two seasons ago had comparable if not higher ratings overall,

    An exemple of ratings soaring is American Idol from season 1 through 6 that went from 10 million in its premiere to near 38 million for the season 6 premiere, but so that’s not an exemple of the success of alumnis mattering but the ratings for The Voice staying relatively stable through 3 season is proof that it doesn’t matter.

    The funny thing is that people who were fans of Idol who failed are convinced that that type of stuff don’t matter when the producers of Idol and other shows who have done this stuff for years and have data otherwise advanced than we do, keep insisting on the success of past alumnis to promote the show or are developping new rules to make sure they can get one.

  • Valentin432

     The instrumentalization of the itunes ranking can be a problem but that’s completely separate from the point here.
    And I agree that, there should be a seperate ranking for TV show songs.

    But I will argue that wheter you buy a Kesha song or a Terry Mcderrmot song, you’re going to pay the same price, one download counts the same in the itunes ranking for any artist, it’s the only when you translate that in the vote totals for the voice that the number gets mutiplied by ten.

  • Jordana33

    It’s tough to attribute to anything other than people liking the contestants from season 3 more, if you look at people who review the show, they say that the contestants were better this year than last.

    But weren’t most of those enthusiastic reviews during earlier parts of the season before we ended up with this final 3? I agree that the top 12 was better than last year’s and I agree that Cassadee is better than last year’s winner, Jermaine Paul (which is the only consolation for me!) but I thought the finale was the weakest of all 3 seasons. Even  Nicholas, who I really liked a lot at the beginning of the season, was disappointing. With such a strong pool of auditioners this season, I expected a much better final 3.   The results show was pretty good, but the had more to do with stellar performances by the judges and eliminated contestants than the final 3. 

  • Kirsten

    After the Little Rock ghosts voting in a stadium on the night of the S8
    finale, now we have the rabid Hey Monday fans who have never spent
    enough money to make their favorite band go gold (not even a single) and
    now can spend 10 dollars every week for the same track to make their
    favorite win a tv show.

    I don’t think it’s just “Hey, Monday” fans. Reality show fans have gone out and upgraded their texting plans (or purchased phones from the company that will allow them to text for their favourite). They have shown that they are willing to pay something to vote. It’s the excitement of the voting with the feedback. 

    While I don’t believe that an entire stadium of voters will diligently vote for 4 hours generating 20K votes each, I do believe that there are some in the pack that will.

    I don’t think I’d find too many people on this site who would argue that bulk voting doesn’t happen on Idol. It happens. So, why is the thought that people might bulk vote for The Voice contestants seem so unlikely? People will spend money on texting plans (which can be expensive), but they won’t buy a couple of extra copies on iTunes (when they know that voting is limited – as long as you can vote unlimited, I don’t think iTunes votes would ever become a widespread popular way to vote)?

    In the voting window, they only sell 30ish-K of downloads. It doesn’t take many people buying a few extra copies (or 10) for the bulk buyers to have a significant impact.

    If nobody buys more than one copy, why does the Voice get iTunes to bypass it’s normal features to allow bulk buying? It’s been three seasons. If only 50 cray-cray doing it, the software maintenance costs are not worth it. There is bulk-buying going on here. I won’t for a minute argue that it is all the Voice fans doing it, but the invested ones are.

  • elliegrll

    I’d have thought the varied and exciting all-star guest performer list might have driven viewership a tad more than the tension and suspense of the Pope-McDermott-David competition. The Voice did well on its slate of performers last night to appeal to a moderately broad demographic.

    I’ve never thought that the guest performers help any of these shows in the ratings.  It might just be me, but I’m not going to watch two hours of a show that I don’t normally watch, just to see a four or five minute performance from my favorite artist.  With youtube and over services, it’s really not necessary.  

  • waitingforthe1

    Why did iTunes sales go up this season compared to last? Were the contestants that much better? Probably not. They should have seen a further erosion of sales like we see with Glee each season. No, iTunes sales went up because more people chose to vote that way and I’m pretty sure it’s because the rules changed.

    You say this as if it’s actual facts instead of just your opinion.  I thought the contestants this year were MUCH better than the previous two seasons combined.  A much better caliber of singers and performers and they picked/sang songs that were better suited to their styles this year too.   

    Unless you have inside information as to why the sales increased it’s all just feels like speculation designed to denegrate Casadee’s win because you disagree with her winning. 

     

  • Kirsten

     

    The funny thing is that people who were fans of Idol who failed are convinced that that type of stuff don’t matter

    The Voice ratings convince me. Most people have been fans of successful and unsuccessful Idols so I don’t think your accusation is fair there.

    I’m a fan of Scotty and I think he’s successful. Yet ratings sagged the following year. That’s because the show wasn’t as interesting (and it’s hard to keep it interesting after that many seasons with the glut of new shows in its genre). Season 6 ratings started out higher than Season 5 despite flop-tastic Taylor. Then, the ratings started sagging mid-year through the season. Why? Because the show wasn’t as compelling. The ratings went up in Season 10 even though Lee was the worst selling winner ever. Why? The show was re-vamped and had interesting contestants.

    Most viewers don’t follow the numbers close enough to even know when somebody flops or succeeds. They just want to be entertained.

    when the producers of Idol and other shows who have done this stuff for
    years and have data otherwise advanced than we do, keep insisting on the
    success of past alumnis to promote the show or are developping new
    rules to make sure they can get one.

    Maybe they will re-evaluate that in light of the Voice’s success in the ratings while having the worst selling contestants. Maybe they just like bragging.

  • Jordana33

    But I will argue that wheter you buy a Kesha song or a Terry Mcderrmot song, you’re going to pay the same price, one download counts the same in the itunes ranking for any artist, it’s the only when you translate that in the vote totals for the voice that the number gets mutiplied by ten.

    True, but what about multiple downloads? Generally, you only pay for the 1st download on itunes,  so downloading a Kesha song 10x only costs $1.29. However, itunes made an exception for The Voice during the voting period and actually charged for each additional download, so I’m guessing that multiple downloads do go towards Billboard sales in this case. Bulk buying might sound ridiculous, it’s done on Idol all the time by loyal fans. 

    Aside from the above point, your typical Idol winner after the finale gets 200,000 – 300.000 downloads for a treacly coronation song. The real test of a song’s marketability is how well the song does in subsequent weeks. If Cassadee’s songs stay in the top 10 or even the top 20 in the 2nd week, that would mean a lot more to me.  

  • Valentin432

    There’s a difference between saying that bulk voting/buying exist and saying that it’s the decisive factor in choosing the winner on a show that has millions of people watching.
    I don’t need any convincing that there a few crazy people who bought 10 copies of Over you, just like there a few dozen people who bought 10 copies of FYE to try to get it to platinium or a few dozen people who tried to do the same for any idol or reality show contestant with a rabid fanbase.

    The problem is to say, that it mattered in the final voting result.

    I mean you are not going to come back 4 years ago and say that the few dozens of Kris fans in Arkansas that had an AT&T phones are the reason he won Idol?

    In the voting window, they only sell 30ish-K of downloads. It doesn’t
    take many people buying a few extra copies (or 10) for the bulk buyers
    to have a significant impact.

    Again, that’s not a sure thing, people don’t know when they buy wheter the song is going to go in the top 10.

    That argument is also dumb because these songs have sold a whole lot more than 30k and Over You was back selling weeks after the voting total for that track was done.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “That argument is also dumb because these songs have sold a whole lot
    more than 30k and Over You was back selling weeks after the voting total
    for that track was done.”

    I think that it’s dumb to refuse to recognize that multiple buying can and does have a impact in sales, especially in certain circumstances.

  • smn73

    I enjoyed this season the most of the all the Voice seasons.  I felt like I KNEW the contestants this year…especially the final 3.  I voted for Nicholas this year and it’s the first time in 3 seaons I’ve voted on the Voice.  Cassadee was my least favoirte singer as far as the quality of just the voice.  But I’m happy for her…I remember her as a kid…she did pageants with my daughter.

    If I ever was a contestant on the voice, Blake would be my very first choice as a coach.  He has it down pat.  He picks great songs for his people. It’s always about the contestant, not him.  And he is just so dang charming…on the show as well as on twitter.  You won’t convince me that his people don’t get a few votes based on his own likability.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000075236182 Diana Adams Tyler

    I think Amanda and Trevin were the best singers and neither made the finals.  Seldom on any talent show I’ve watched do the best ones make it to the end.  

  • Kirsten

     

    Unless you have inside information as to why the sales increased it’s
    all just feels like speculation designed to denegrate Casadee’s win
    because you disagree with her winning.

    I don’t care that Cassadee one and I fully believe that bulk-buying occurred for all contestants.

    Here is why I am arguing this:
    1) I hate it when corporations get people to bulk-buy
    2) I hate it when they make people pay per vote
    3) I think it’s naive to think that people bulk-vote for every other voting show but the Voice.

    I don’t have a dog in the fight over who should have one the Voice. Sadly, I don’t think it matters because The Voice has proven to be incapable of getting success for its contestants. I wish Cassadee luck. She’s just made Mark a boat-load of bucks. She deserves some success too.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Nope. There has been a pimpee, sometimes two or three,  since season 2 of AI. Who can forget that Joshua from last season was the “best singer in the world in the past fifty years”. He had a standing O almost everytime he sang. That type of pimping didn’t happen with Cassadee.
    That’s what happens on these singing contest shows, certain contestants get pimped over others. The pimping is nothing new, it has been happening for over a decade.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    The real test of a song’s marketability is how well the song does in subsequent weeks. If Cassadee’s songs stay in the top 10 or even the top 20 in the 2nd week, that would mean a lot more to me.  

    Recent songs by Pope, McDermott, and other Voice finalists were tending to retreat to the 130-180 range within a couple days, then hang out there for a while (but not indefinitely). That’s the level that represents Melanie Amaro’s one-day performance for her latest single (promoted only with an X Factor performance), which kind of makes me think that there’s some lingering watercooler effect from Voice competition performances that’s going to be hard to duplicate in the real world without actual promo.

    This is among the reasons I keep saying that no matter how “marketable” we’re told Pope is, her actual marketability hangs on her getting good A&R in a reasonably timely manner. Tomorrow night’s XFUSA winner gets to launch a Pepsi-sponsored single on a commercial during the Grammy Awards (February 10) and by then Idol will have started up again. If Pope isn’t to do a gradual networking and build (as if she were a normal A&R sign), then she’s got a very narrow window before she’s Last Season’s Flavor of Some Reality Show.

    If her success is irrelevant to the success of the show, that’s all the more reason she’d better be smart about representing for her own interests, as I doubt her career ambitions begin and end with being a tool for maintaining the careers of musicians more successful than she.

  • Valentin432

    I’m a fan of Scotty and I think he’s successful. Yet ratings sagged
    the following year. That’s because the show wasn’t as interesting (and
    it’s hard to keep it interesting after that many seasons with the glut
    of new shows in its genre).

    The following year saw something called the Voice and X Factor premiere, that was the biggest factor by far. Not the shows quality or the success of its contestants.

    Season 6 ratings started out higher than
    Season 5 despite flop-tastic Taylor. Then, the ratings started sagging
    mid-year through the season. Why? Because the show wasn’t as compelling.
    The ratings went up in Season 10 even though Lee was the worst selling
    winner ever. Why? The show was re-vamped and had interesting
    contestants.

    At the beginning of season 6 Kelly Clarkson had won two grammy awards, ended an era where she was the queen of pop, Carrie just had an entire year topping the charts everywhere with an album that eventually went 7 times platinium, Daughtry released the fastest selling debut album in the history of the rock charts, an album that went 5 times platinium, JHud was about to win the first (at this day the only) oscar won by a reality tv show contestants.

    People like Rubben, Clay and even Taylor Hicks were selling way more than many of these reality star contestants are doing now even with the diminished record sales.

    Resuming the success of idol alumnis at the start of season 6 to the flop tastic Taylor Hicks is very very wrong.

    As far as Lee, the ratings did go down from season 9 to season 10, that’s the premiere numbers, after that, yes the quality of the show and the contestants from the season matters, of course.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Being female doesn’t automatically mean she deserved to win.

    I never said it did. My comment simply stated:
    Love it when we have a female winner!

  • Kirsten

    As far as Lee, the ratings did go down from season 9 to season 10,
    that’s the premiere numbers, after that, yes the quality of the show and
    the contestants from the season matters, of course

    I firmly believe that the ratings for the start of the season reflect the entertainment value of the previous season. The live shows are driven by the entertainment value of the current season.

    It’s like sequels to movies. The opening frame of a sequel tends to be driven by the popularity of the previous sequel. So, if the previous sequel opened big but faded fast, even if the next sequel is better, it won’t do as well the first week.

    People watch these shows to be entertained.

  • Kirsten

     

    I mean you are not going to come back 4 years ago and say that the few
    dozens of Kris fans in Arkansas that had an AT&T phones are the
    reason he won Idol?

    I won’t because the crazies are dwarfed by the more casual voter. We are talking about a votes in the 100M range. A dozen voters voting 2000 times is noise.

    By limiting the casual voter vote on the Voice and rewarding the rabid by multiplying their votes by 10, I think the rabid voter starts to have more of an impact on results.

    We’ll have to wait for the tell-all books to know which of us is correct.

  • windmills

    fuzzywuzzy: I think that the commercial success of “Over You” had a lot to do with Blake and Miranda’s fanbases (they composed the song).

    Maybe but I saw many comments around saying Cassadee had sung the song better than Miranda, which I kind of agree with. Over You really works a lot better as a pop song. 

    Miranda’s version of Over You eventually got to 1 million downloads (pretty recently, like after getting the spotlight at the CMAs) but it wasn’t some huge seller and it didn’t really spark sales for Miranda’s album either. IMO it was Cassadee’s version that just really connected with a lot of people, and I’d guess a lot of those people either hadn’t heard the song before or were outside the Blake/Miranda fanbase and felt they’d heard a version of the song that made them appreciate it. Cassadee’s performance actually bumped up sales for the original in a major way too – Miranda’s version is still sitting t20 at Itunes country, when it was out of the t75 at Itunes country before Cassadee’s 1st performance of the song.

    Valentin432: The problem is to say, that it mattered in the final voting result.

    I don’t think the bulk buying would have mattered without the multiplier and banked results. But I do think that combination enabled a Cassadee win when a straight vote might’ve handed Terry the win. But, that’s not an endorsement of the idea that Terry should’ve won. 

    fuzzywuzzy:  At any rate, when Cassadee releases her own music, then we’ll see what her real popularity is separate from people voting (or downloading her covers) as part of the Voice activities.

    ITA with this. All I was trying to say is I don’t necessarily take her hitting #1 as that indicative of big popularity. But, her version of Over You and Stupid Boy hung around for a week after the voting window closed which is indicative that her performances of them had an impact. So, there’s some sales potential there with the right songs in the right market. 

    As far as the success of alums affecting ratings, I think it does for AI and it doesn’t for The Voice because they work differently. AI’s appeal relies more on each season’s cast and the buzz that comes from being part of the discovery process of a new act that will be relevant in the market. The judges can temporarily help ratings at the beginning but, they can hurt ratings down the road if the chemistry’s off. The Voice’s appeal relies a lot more on the chemistry of their judges (which they’ve nailed, especially with Blake & Adam) and the blind auditions + revamped battle rounds, which is why it hasn’t mattered as much that they haven’t launched anybody successful. 

    TBH, I think The Voice makes for better *TV* for the casual fan because of the format and the judges but AI is a better career vehicle and has a stronger system after the show too. That makes AI more appealing to somebody like me who’s more interested in the discovery aspect and week to week growth.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “By limiting the casual voter vote on the Voice and rewarding the rabid
    by multiplying their votes by 10, I think the rabid voter starts to have
    more of an impact on results.”

    Exactly.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    There’s a difference between saying that bulk voting/buying exist and saying that it’s the decisive factor in choosing the winner on a show that has millions of people watching.I don’t need any convincing that there a few crazy people who bought 10 copies of Over you, just like there a few dozen people who bought 10 copies of FYE to try to get it to platinium or a few dozen people who tried to do the same for any idol or reality show contestant with a rabid fanbase.
    The problem is to say, that it mattered in the final voting result.
    I mean you are not going to come back 4 years ago and say that the few dozens of Kris fans in Arkansas that had an AT&T phones are the reason he won Idol?

    Good point. Everyone on The Voice had the same rules, just like everyone on Idol is under the same Verizon monopoly. The old line we’ve seen many times: He/She won because she got the most votes should hold true for all these singing show contests.

    Cassadee got the most votes, she won. The Voice’s ratings didn’t plummet after the audition episodes. They held steady throughout the season.  It is a popular show that tv viewers enjoy watching. Viewers outside of the reality show bubble, which is an overwhelming majority, don’t care who won last season or how they are doing on any of these shows. TV viewers just want to be entertained and that is something that The Voice is currently successful at doing.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    TBH, I think The Voice makes for better *TV* for the casual fan because of the format and the judges but AI is a better career vehicle and has a stronger system after the show too. That makes AI more appealing to somebody like me who’s more interested in the discovery aspect and week to week growth.

    Exactly. So, on an Idol blog, people are going to be attached to the “plucked off of a farm or out of a paint shop” aspect of Idol vesus the way The Voice presents itself and the contestants on that show. Looking at the rankings from season 2 and 3, there are millions of viewers that are okay with the fact that The Voice is different from AI.

    There’s a show for everyone.

  • Valentin432

    You define the casual voter by someone who is likely to vote more than ten times for a contestant?
    Because a couple of hours ago, the casual viewer was someone voting a couple times?

    To me limiting the number of times you can vote for a contestant is a way to deacrease the power of a rabid fanbase, the way you argue this, Idol is favoring casual voters by letting people vote tousands and tousands of times by text when buying ten songs on Itunes is what’s the big deal.

    Simple math.
    Let’s say you have a Cassadee fan that buys ten itunes song, that counts for 100 votes (and again that’s not a sure thing, you don’t know wheter a song is going to go top 10 just because you buy 10 of those), since you hang out long enough around idol boards, you known that 100 votes means roughly 10 minutes of power voting (and that’s not even doing the power texting methods that can send 10 votes texting once), so now you choose to think that Cassadee vote was rigged because of rabid fanbase but that Kris Allen vote is legitimate.

    THat’s some interesting logic and a creative way to look these things.

  • http://twitter.com/alienlifeform2 Diablo

    I miss the days when a waitresses or a farm girl that never had been in a plane or a single mom could really go from rags to riches abs when winning really meant something and truly changed their lives overnight

    Are we talking the same farm girl who’s never been on a plane because she spent a considerable amount of time on a tour bus instead? Let’s be real, people who have entertainment and singing as they calling will try to make their dreams come true before going on the Voice or X Factor or American Idol (unless they are kids). Kudos to them because they stand a better chance staying on the radar than the real country bumpkins and give the viewers a better show in the meantime.

    Congratulations to Cassadee by the way. After Melanie of the tambourine got kicked off, Cassadee was the only one deserving the win.

  • fantoo1

    They are wrong.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I agree with you, she shouldn’t go country or strictly pop either. Cassadee should go “Taylor swift”. Pop balads who slightly resembles country music. Taylor is so big now that there’s a small space for someone who’s like her. And her singing abilities are comparable with Taylor, if not worse, so it shouldn’t be a problem.

  • Kirsten

    You define the casual voter by someone who is likely to vote more than ten times for a contestant?
    Because a couple of hours ago, the casual viewer was someone voting a couple times?

    Perhaps I should use a more precise term than a couple of times. I think a casual voter cast anywhere from 1-50 votes on Idol. I would guess a casual person spends seconds to 15 minutes to vote. Most know (because Ryan tells them) that they should vote more than once and they probably do. There is a range for all voter classifications and off course we can disagree.

    I also suspect that most casual voters use one tool to vote with. If you are a texter, you text in your votes. If you are more of a land-line person, you’re dialing. I don’t think most casual voters use several voting options. For Idol voters, where there is no limit, I think even the semi-rabid voters stick to one style of voting.

    I have no facts to back any of this up. Yes, it  is pure speculation (and speculation is something I enjoy). I figure that most people have lives and really aren’t that invested.  They think it’s fun to vote, but quickly tire of it. Texters are fast, so they can send in a bunch before they are distracted. Land line users probably vote a bit less since per person since it takes a little longer and you get busy signals.

    My speculation is that the casual Voice voter votes 1-10 times using one media. You are silencing the top range of the casual votes.

    Meanwhile, the rabid voters, the ones most likely to buy an iTunes song, are rewarded with the potential of “weighted” votes (some votes are more equal than others) which are also combined over the entire season. I think the rabid voters behaved exactly as the producers planned.

    so now you choose to think that Cassadee vote was rigged because of rabid fanbase but that Kris Allen vote is legitimate.

    I think you have mentioned Kris Allen directly and indirectly in this thread more often than the average casual voter votes.

  • http://twitter.com/alienlifeform2 Diablo

    By limiting the casual voter vote on the Voice and rewarding the rabid by multiplying their votes by 10, I think the rabid voter starts to have more of an impact on results

    iTunes buying fans are the rabid ones? It takes way longer to buy 1 song than to vote 10 times.

  • Kirsten

     

    iTunes buying fans are the rabid ones? It takes way longer to buy 1 song than to vote 10 times.

    I think only the most devoted will pay to vote (and make no mistake, that is what it is).

    Sure, some will buy ONE copy of the song because they like it. But, if you buy more than ONE copy, I think it is time to admit you’ve reached a new level of commitment.

  • Valentin432

    Voting 50 times a night isn’t what a casual viewer would do by any definition, that’s something you just made up to justify your argument.

    I use Kris Allen because it’s one exemple and that I know you were arguing exactly the opposite in his case, meaning the power voting wasn’t the reason he won.

    I find that a strange logic to argue that the Voice system is favorable to power voters when common sense says that in the time you spend buying 10 itunes song you could voten 100 times without paying anything on Idol, not mentioning that you have to spend 10$ every night you do so.

    And furthermore you say that you can use other ways to vote for The Voice but they’re are all limited to 10 when with Idol you also have multiple ways of voting but they are unlimited.

    Trying to argue that results on The Voice are more influenced by power voters than Idol just doesn’t make sense because a rabid fan can vote many more times in one night on Idol than on The Voice.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I didn’t expect amazing performances at the finale. Even with strong singers like Terry and Nicholas. They needed weak performances in order to save Cassadee. Nicholas was acting last weeks like he was completely defeated. He and Terry knew the producers won’t let them win.

  • http://twitter.com/alienlifeform2 Diablo

    Sure, some will buy ONE copy of the song because they like it

    Actually, I’ve always assumed that’s what people do. Buy one song. The hype surrounding the fact that those sales count into the final vote being the reason that more people do it than on other shows. I admit I haven’t followed all the voting/buying hoopla, but in my non-reality-show-connected iTunes experience, it’s rather hard to buy the same song twice. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I admit I haven’t followed all the voting/buying hoopla, but in my
    non-reality-show-connected iTunes experience, it’s rather hard to buy
    the same song twice.”

    Normally, iTunes notifies the buyer if they are trying to purchase the same song twice, but in the case of the Voice contestants, the buyer is charged for each copy of a song (someone on the blog reported this).

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Voting 50 times a night isn’t what a casual viewer would do by any definition

    Naaahhh, 50 votes is reasonable as the top end of “casual.” With minimal busy signals and quick-fingered use of redial, 50 votes takes 20-30 minutes. I wouldn’t use it as the average number of votes from casual fans of the show, and indeed, it wasn’t used that way. The middle of the 1-50 range is probably also about the average for a casual voter, as 10 minutes of voting would seem like a big contribution. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Sure, some will buy ONE copy of the song because they like it.

    MOST will buy ONE copy of a song because they like it. The same thing happened with the iTunes songs from season 1 and season 2 of The Voice.
    The overwhelming majority of viewers aren’t going to spend $60 in the month of December to support some contestant on a singing show.

  • Kirsten

    Voting 50 times a night isn’t what a casual viewer would do by any
    definition, that’s something you just made up to justify your argument.

    I believe that reasonable people can differ on classifications (I might call people over 6 feet tall, but others may think they need to be at least 6 foot six to be called tall).

    I was simply defining my terms because I recognize that.

    I can’t force anybody else to use the same definition of casual voter that I do (I think it’s fast and quick to vote 50 times via text and I don’t even text. Just from watching others. You type it once and hit re-send while you are watching the next program. Thumb tired? Stop).

    Naturally, my definition justifies my argument. That’s WHY I am arguing it. Why on earth would I argue something if I don’t think I have a basis which I think justifies it?

    I find that a strange logic to argue that the Voice system is favorable
    to power voters when common sense says that in the time you spend buying
    10 itunes song you could voten 100 times without paying anything on
    Idol, not mentioning that you have to spend 10$ every night you do so.

    Limits only truly affect the casual voter. Rabid voters have endless ways of defeating the rules. We’ve seen that time and time again. Casual voters reach the limit and stop voting. I would not define anybody who figures out a way to vote beyond the limit to be a casual voter.

    I don’t for a minute think that rabid voters are deterred by a $10 WEEKLY charge to vote. Casual voters will have nothing to do with that, but $10 to a dedicated voter are a few lotto tickets, a movie or a couple of days skipping Starbucks. They are having fun voting. This is their entertainment. I just spent $100 bucks for a few hours of Cirque de Soleil. If somebody gets more joy helping their horse win then watching a bunch of people in tights, then goody for them. And it lasts an entire season!!!!! You don’t know anybody who wastes $10 a week on something frivolous? Tickets to a sporting event? Booze for the weekend? Pokemon cards? Outlet store shopping? Chia Pets?

    Heck, in the UK, doesn’t Simon charge everybody to vote?

    I hate paying to vote. I think it sucks and I don’t want it to take hold. And the only show I ever voted for a contestant in was cancelled (and I only voted three nights for about 10 minutes in total) so it’s not like I think it’s going to personally impact my pocketbook.

    I don’t like making people pay to vote
    I don’t like corporate efforts to get people to bulk buy things they can only ever use one of.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I think you have mentioned Kris Allen directly and indirectly in this thread more often than the average casual voter votes.”

    I find that curious, and don’t understand the reason for the repeated reference to Kris.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think that the fans who buy 10 copies of a song are the rabid ones, and they have already maxed out their votes by all other methods as well. lol

  • ohreli

    “Oh look. EACH OF THE FINALISTS WILL GET A NEW KIA CAR. That’s TOTALLY NEVER BEEN DONE ON A SINGING COMPETITION BEFORE!”  

    -Didnt they start giving Fords to both of the 2 American Idol finalists, starting with  David and David?   MJ, did you mean they have never given THREE cars to THREE finalists before-?

  • Jordana33

    I find that a strange logic to argue that the Voice system is favorable to power voters when common sense says that in the time you spend buying 10 itunes song you could voten 100 times without paying anything on Idol, not mentioning that you have to spend 10$ every night you do so.

    Both systems are favorable to power voters in different ways. Idol favors the power voters with a lot of free time. Voice favors the “power” voters with enough money to throw away. However, a devoted Voice fan could text, call and vote online the maximum allowable number of times and only get 30 votes. Compare that to the  devoted Idol fans who are known to vote 1000 times because the voting is unlimited. In the Idol setting, 10 itunes downloads would carry little weight. In the Voice setting, 10 downloads carries a lot more weight, especially if the contestant makes the top 10 and the downloads become 100 votes.  

  • blackberryharvest

    The winners not doing well may not have an effect on the ratings, but the same can be said for idol and the WGWG winning-people don’t care after the show is over.

  • poipugirl

    I hope that both Cassadee and Terry are extremely popular and sell records after the show!

  • poipugirl

    oreli, I believe that mj was being sarcastic in her ‘finalists getting a new kia car’ remarks.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

     If somebody gets more joy helping their horse win then watching a bunch of people in tights, then goody for them. And it lasts an entire season!!!!! You don’t know anybody who wastes $10 a week on something frivolous? Tickets to a sporting event? Booze for the weekend? Pokemon cards? Outlet store shopping? Chia Pets?

    Sure, everyone spends money for tickets, trinkets, drinks or food for themselves. Spending $60 a month, or $120 a month when their fave was performing two songs, is some serious dedication.

    I never really looked at it the way you described it, as giving joy to the fan when they help their special snowflake. That’s just like those gifting campaigns where fans spend $100 to buy 10 albums. I always thought that was cray, but it really is about giving joy to the fan. It’s the same as buying a starbucks or spending money on tickets to a concert or sporting event. It’s not cray at all!

  • http://twitter.com/cheeseE1 EH

    I love the Voice voting system. It pretty much forces everyone to be a “casual voter” because of the long voting window and limits on votes.  I haven’t voted on Idol for years, but I found myself voting on the voice during the last few weeks of the competition. It takes like one minute to max out on votes per phone line/e-mail. And I love that you don’t have to use Facebook to vote online and risk accidentally revealing to your friends and family that you actually vote on the The Voice.

    That being said, I didn’t do much iTunes purchasing. I bought one copy of the songs that I actually thought I would listen to again. Unfortunately, the contestant I liked (Terry) kept singing songs that I hate. I mostly supported him because I like (and bought) his bands’ stuff.