The Adam Lambert Demos – Curiouser and Curiouser

Well its obvious that Hi Fi are lying they are demos not full-fledged songs. Luckily radio wont promote this album and it soon be old news.

And before anyone says why would they lie? To sell more records obviously. Firstly they lied about them being not demos and they only today took down the December song, which want was a demo of.

Adam is so hot right now,that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Based on principal alone I hope that these demo’s won’t be released at the end of the month, and if they are that the radio stations refuse to play them.

Of course they’re lying. Adam is hot right now so everyone wants to benefit from him. Very oportunistic of Hi Fi. Ugh, I just hope this doesn’t end up impacting Adam’s career in a negative way. I’m afraid people who are less informed might think this is the real album and be confused. Just hope all of this gets forgotten soon.

I hope Adam gets out there and sets the record straight. I know he’s already made a statement, but I think he (and RCA) needs to do more. This Heckler guy is a LOW LIFE and someone needs to shut him down.

In these desperate financial times (which are even more desperate for the music industry), I can totally believe Hi-Fi is twisting the truth in a desperate attempt to make a quick buck.

Here’s what I think:

1) The songs were demos Adam made for session work that he got paid for several years ago. There is already evidence that “Want” was a demo that was eventually recorded by another singer/band. It was later re-named “December” and was streaming on Wilshire Record web site as of yesterday (but was taken down overnight).

2) Hi-Fi/Wilshire Record probably DOES own the legal rights to the recordings.

3) They planned on releasing this without giving Adam/19E/RCA any notice; but got caught red-handed when Perez Hilton “leaked” one of the songs.

4) The press and the media caught up with them and they started spinning a load of crap trying to cover their a$$es so they wouldn’t look bad to the public.

While I think Hi-Fi/Wilshire records has the legal right to do whatever they want with the songs, I’m pretty sure in regards to having the rights to use Adam Lambert’s name, his likeness or making ANY reference to American Idol and THEIR trademarks – HiFi/Wilshire do NOT have the rights to.

My guess is that 19E/RCA will tie HiFi/Wilshire up in enough litigation to delay the release until AFTER Adam and RCA releases THEIR album.

Plus, there’s the fact that “Want,” at least, that first song, was on their site slightly reworked, retitled “December”, and sung by other people. If that was Adam’s song, then it doesn’t seem like that that would have happened!

Who knows? Maybe when he was singing the demos, they got some ideas from what he did with the songs, and fiddled with them based on that, and they are creatively reinterpreting that as his having partly “written” the songs, which were works in progress at the time, clearly.

That would still make the “cowriter” thing a lie, but it would be loosely based in truth, so who knows what that means legally? I don’t know what singers/musicians’ work-for-hire contracts look like. But if they’re anything like writers’ work-for-hire contracts, then the company could do literally anything with these songs, and there would be nothing that Adam could do about it. Anybody know what these contracts are typically like?

If RCA can somehow keep it off itunes it should have very little impact given MJ’s points that it is not likely to get promotion or radio play. As long as Adam was not in their studio in May and as long as he disclosed the existence of prior tracks to Idol, he should walk away without any harm.

weese Jun 20th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

If RCA can somehow keep it off itunes it should have very little impact given MJà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s points that it is not likely to get promotion or radio play.

Apparently a similar situation happened with Leona Lewis in advance of HER first official major label release. Sony/BMG blocked the demos from being sold on several major online music stores and the demos weren’t able to chart.

As long as Adam was not in their studio in May and as long as he disclosed the existence of prior tracks to Idol, he should walk away without any harm.

Even if Adam did visit their studios (which I highly doubt he even had the TIME to last May), Adam wouldn’t have done anything wrong. And I don’t think he’s even legally required to disclose old demos or session work to 19E or RCA either. As long as he wasn’t in a CURRENT contract with another management company or record label, he’s legally in the clear.

Old recording sessions that he signed away the rights to YEARS ago does NOT count as a “current” contract. It’s just another example of someone trying to exploit him and his previous work.

If Adam stands to profit from this financiallyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and Hecker claims he does, though he wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t disclose detailsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s likely a minuscule cut.

Actually mj, Hecker didn’t claim that Adam would share in the profits. Here’s what he said:

“I don’t really want to talk about the nuts and bolts of the business deal…but I can tell you that Adam will share in the success.”

He didn’t say that adam will profit from the release, or that adam will receive a cut of the profits, or even that Adam will benefit financially from the album’s release. He simply said he will share in the success, which is vague PR speak for possibly not. Success does not necessarily equal money for Adam.

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Perez weighs in, using surprisingly supportive language, on Adam’s statement about the album.

http://perezhilton.com/2009-06-20-glambert-explains-want

So, by now everyone knows that the “new” Glambert track that leaked yesterday is older than dirt!

Turns out the Glamberella was hard up for $$$$ a couple of years ago and lent his voice to some songs in order to pay the bills!

Says Adam:

“Back in 2005 when I was a struggling artist, I was hired as a studio singer to lend my vocals to tracks written by someone else. I was broke at the time and this was my chance to make a few bucks, so I jumped at the opportunity to record for my first time in a professional studio.

The work I did back then in no way reflects the music I am currently in the studio working on.”

I’m thrilled to be working with some of today’s hottest songwriters and producers and can’t wait for people to hear what my music really sounds like.

Such a shame an album of old material is being released before Glambert can show off his vocal talents on an album of new material that he’s actually proud of.

Sorta Hella shady of his former record label too!

And he has one of the Rolling Stone pics to go with the post.

The idea that Adam would be at this studio to hear demos from four years ago right around the time of the finale sounds absurd to me on it’s face. And on top of that he gave them his blessing? Tough to believe. By that time Adam had to know that 19 was going to sign him and he was going to wind up on a major label.

Obviously it’s in the interests of Hi Fi to make it look like Adam supports this material. If people know he doesn’t want anything to do with it they are less likely to buy it. Their statements are self-serving and I’m not sure they have much of a resemblance to the truth.

Adam just tweeted:

therealGlambert”…can’t wait for people to hear what my music really sounds like.”
11 minutes ago from web

Of course HI FI is lying. They’ll do anything to earn a quick buck. This is absolutely outrageous and plain disgusting and mean. I won’t be supporting this album nor this company. I hope everyone pledges the same thing and will not buy this summer album. They are exploiting Adam and trying to hurt his reputation by releasing an album full of demos.

I really hope RCA will sue them or try to stop them from releasing the album BEFORE Adam’s real album.

Come on Adam, now it’s time to use your twitter your 15000 followers are eagerly awaiting for your 3rd tweet.

If that is the case Snuffles then the worst that could happen is there might end up being a cd out there that does not represent Adam in the way he or RCA would like. Unfortunate but I don’t think it will make a dent in his career. I hope it will inspire RCA to make sure Adam puts out something that will blow this old stuff out of the water and not to rush and put something out just to beat HIFI’s release.

Well, aside from the obvious opportunism and exploitation involved — detachable coattails (tm someone else ) and bad economy indeed — here’s my theory.

These are songs Adam sold all rights to years ago, if they’re anything more than demos to which he lent his voice. I suspect they’re a combination, to which he no longer holds rights.

In May, said opportunists caught up with Adam and had him listen with the idea of selling them back to (or contracting for profit and royalties with) him/19/RCA to re-record (or not) potentially for his new album (should he be signed, which was all but an eventuality at that point.)

Adam courteously complimented the work and left open all possibilities. Not surprisingly, 19/RCA passed.

Voila, independent release.

Sux, but I too suspect that this too shall pass.

Whatever, more press!!

ETA:

He didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say that adam will profit from the release, or that adam will receive a cut of the profits, or even that Adam will benefit financially from the albumà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s release. He simply said he will share in the success, which is vague PR speak

Good catch Sunn! And I totally agree. Since later in the Billboard article, this guy says the work is good and will be good for Adam, that’s exactly what he meant. Success, as in popularity, not $$.

born2bevil
Jun 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Come on Adam, now ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s time to use your twitter your 15000 followers are eagerly awaiting for your 3rd tweet.

He heard you. he tweeted.

Who knows? Maybe when he was singing the demos, they got some ideas from what he did with the songs, and fiddled with them based on that, and they are creatively reinterpreting that as his having partly à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“writtenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  the songs, which were works in progress at the time, clearly.

This is the first thought came to me when I read Adam co-write these songs.

even for hire, and for demo songs, adam couldn’t help but inprove what he is singing, so he must provide some ideas for them

Adam tweeted about 20 minutes ago. He said that he cant wait for people to hear what his music really sounds like.

Adam tweeted! How cute! Love it when he tweets! Keep tweeting, Adam. And I mean that with all sincerity. Makes us feel closer to you.

Sunn
“He heard you. he tweeted”
WOW! almost missedit! THANKS!
I can’t wait to hear what his music really sounds like!!!

weareallinnocent I totally agree with every word you said.

It’s just sad how pathetically excited I was to have a tweet on my phone from Adam. God, I really need to get a life…

Adam just tweeted:

therealGlambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t wait for people to hear what my music really sounds like.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 
11 minutes ago from web

reading this kind of supports the feeling that Adam isn’t endorsing these demo tracks contrary to what Hi Fi are trying to make us believe .. so if he doesn’t support their existance and release then why the heck would he bother to visit the recording studios to listen to them during one of the busiest weeks of his life … I call BS on what Hi Fi are spouting.

Also if Adam co-wrote a lot of the stuff then surely he’s entitled to some financial gain .. he seems pretty business savvy so I would have thought that if he wrote some stuff he wouldn’t have signed over all the co-writing rights to someone else.

At least he has the people behind him now who could have the clout and finances to put a stop to it .. I hope so.

Part of the confusion for me is that HIFI is reputable enough to work with Melinda Doolittle who has worked in the industry as a backup singer and has many friends in the business who seemingly would know if they were sleeze. Is the industry in such bad shape that someone would ruin their company’s reputation this way? I guess it is. And we can’t even boycott the label without hurting Melinda.

Ellie2
Jun 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just sad how pathetically excited I was to have a tweet on my phone from Adam. God, I really need to get a lifeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

ROFLMAO! I’ll join you in the search. Where can we buy a couple do you think? Lol!

You guys! LOL

Here’ a conversation that’ll take place in L.A. if the demo CD is released:

EllenK: Hey Ryan, here’s a new CD from your bud Adam. Its put out by that d-bag label. Shall we give it a spin?

Ryan: Sure Ellen…spin it right over to that trash can, will ya…

And we canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even boycott the label without hurting Melinda.

Well I like Melinda and really want her to do well, but I love Adam and even besides that, I really despise what HiFi is doing, just on the principle of the thing. So I am totally fine with not supporting HiFi in any way shape or form, and in fact I will be happy to be a part of pirating any Adam music they do get out there, so that they don’t make money off of it. But that’s just how I roll.

haha! sign me up for a life too!

actually, make it a double because as soon as i jumped out of my skin seeing that i had a text from adam i promptly ran over to MJ’s to see what my other adam compadres had to say about it.

it really is a sickness…

Is the industry in such bad shape that someone would ruin their companyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s reputation this way? I guess it is. And we canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even boycott the label without hurting Melinda.

I think the whole industry’s in this bad a shape, including the huge companies.

And of course it isn’t the first time that music companies, big and small, stole/poached/encroached on other people’s work for financial gain.

They pretty much all make their living by taking advantage of artists, and figuring out trickier ways of doing that, so this is kind of par for the course, really. When you listen to people’s stories about how their albums and record deals and dreams went south, screwing with a musician or writer, taking their stuff, etc., for a company’s own gain is just all in a day’s work for much of the music industry. Always has been. And of course that gets worse in a bad economy and with music and radio and so on seeming to have lost their way, as they have right now.

I think this’ll ding the company’s reputation a little bit, but I doubt that it’ll look all that bad or unusual to the rest of the industry. Of course, they’re a small company, so they’re definitely ripe for being squashed like a bug by the big company, if the big company chooses to do that, I would think.

Adam will be fine. We may all benefit from an earlier release of at least a single of his “real music” . Something to hold up the brand, if HiFi proceeds to internet release these demo’s. RCA cannot let Adam’s brand be watered.

But will Perez Hilton be fine? He started this. That cannot go just casually examined. He’s at the core. His vouching for “Want” being “the debut” made it so. His saying, even for the short time before he started retracting, that is was being exclusively premiered on his site made it official for others. (Including Ryan Seacrest’s staffer. Had to be a staffer Twittering while Ryan — for long hours — was unavailable. Where unknown.)

Was Perez in cahoots with HiFi? Or is he just a fool? Either way, he looks bad.

How can a gossip columnist with alleged friends in the music biz think this unorchestrated Garage Band thing is RCA using all its PR might to introduce their newest, brightest, global star? And that the place they would announce Adam to the world would be on Perez Hilton’s website? Yes, sure, generally major-label artists on the cover of Rolling Stone make their audio debut with Perez. Even Mr. Hiton can’t be so full of himself that he’d believe that.

So signs point to Perez did this on purpose.

Now on the legalese front,

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“He was in the Wilshire Records studio right before the finale actually, and he was blown away by the material”

There’s some weaselly wordage with a built-in trap. Does Wilshire even have their own recording studio building? Could be Adam, recording something for Idol, was “in” a building where the demo’s were playing, heard them, and was “blown away” as he was dialing his lawyer. Blown away as in WTF??? The trap: “Were you in the studio, and did you hear those demos in May, Mr. Lambert?”

Most likely the sentence is a lie in every way. But it’s full of weasels. (“Weasel” is a term for a legally accurate phrase that isn’t actually true.)

Wereallinnocent, you’re theory makes the most sense of any I’ve read or been able to conjure myself. It totally fits that they might have wanted to have him back to hear how the tracks were being “revived” (after what? they’ve sat on a shelf for four years?). IF Adam did go (still seems like a stretch with his ridiculous schedule) canvassing for potential material is a likely scenario, or just being polite to people he may have worked with in the past.

And when 19/RCA passed, Hi Fi decided to play hard ball. (I’m sorry, that name just cracks me up, I can’t get the image of Fred Flintstone as “Hy Fy” out of my head … yes, I’m dating myself.)

I feel bad that Melinda Doolittle is mixed up with this label.

My best educated guess at this moment in time is that 19 might be negotiating some legal stuff. Ryan always wants to scoop things (i.e., jumping on Perez’ post), and then tweeting that Adam’s single was made eight months ago. He has not updated Adam’s statement, nor said anything about HiFi. Unless Ryan tweets something very soon, I’m guessing mum’s the word until everything is legalized.

ETA: I’m sure if, in fact, Adam met with those people it was at 19′s knowledge/approval. In fact, I would think a 19 rep would have accompanied Adam to the meeting, since he was under contract to them.

In the end, it wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t impact Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career in a major way.

Will it affect his Grammy eligibility for Best New Artist w/the real album?

Buderschnookie Jun 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

In the end, it wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t impact Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career in a major way.

Will it affect his Grammy eligibility for Best New Artist w/the real album?

NO. Many “Best New Artist” nominees in the past have had several albums out in the past before they got nominated. They use the term “Best New Artist” very loosely.

Was Perez in cahoots with HiFi? Or is he just a fool? Either way, he looks bad.

My question is where the hell did Perez get this in the first place? Obviously it didn’t come from RCA. Wouldn’t that raise a question in his mind as to it’s legitimacy? The logical assumption is that it came from someone associated with Hi Fi. If it did why did Perez think it was the Real McCoy?

I don’t think Perez cares about anything other than hits on his site. He definitely doesn’t care about Adam. He probably just threw it out there for hits and didn’t care beyond that. I’d still like to know how it happened to drop into his grubby hands though.

Maybe they aren’t lying about Adam’s visit, but are instead misrepresenting the purpose of it. I can certainly see him taking a half hour or so to visit friends at Wilshire, listening to one of his old tracks, and then having the CEO use it as proof Adam approves. It’s called lying by omission.

Sunn, thanks for updating everyone on Adam’s tweets. Would you mind posting his tweets on MJ’s when you get them? I’m too old to even figure twitter out , let alone tweet

elw
Jun 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Sunn, thanks for updating everyone on Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tweets. Would you mind posting his tweets on MJà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s when you get them? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m too old to even figure twitter out , let alone tweet

It would my pleasure. I usually can’t stop myself from posting everything Adam here anyway. Lol!

Buderschnookie Jun 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

In the end, it wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t impact Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career in a major way.

Will it affect his Grammy eligibility for Best New Artist w/the real album?

NO. Many à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Best New Artistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  nominees in the past have had several albums out in the past before they got nominated. They use the term à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Best New Artistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  very loosely.

Also, both albums will have a 2009 release date, so that should make him eligible for this year.

UGH those scumbugs HiFi issued an official press release.

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2009/06/20/Sources-Idol-star-Lambert-issuing-album/UPI-84381245516982/

They’re STILL fronting like Adam approves of this and is will fully involved. LIARS!!!

It is possible they could come forward with dated video of Adam at their studios. Wouldn’t be surprised. I have a feeling they have been planning this for a while.

FYI: There are five songs for which Adam has obtained licensing as a writer. You can see them here: http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300 Just search for Adam Lambert and click on his name to see them.

Snuffles, I think that UPI story was off yesterday’s release; yeah, lame research on their part and to leave that headline like Adam is releasing it … RIIIGHT! If you read the comments though, everyone is taking them to task, telling them to get a grip and chastising them for shoddy research, etc.

I think they’re leaving the article up for the hits though. They have to know by now the headline and the whole thing is utterly wrong.

UGH those scumbugs HiFi issued an official press release.

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2009/06/20/Sources-Idol-star-Lambert-issuing-album/UPI-84381245516982/

Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re STILL fronting like Adam approves of this and is will fully involved. LIARS!!!

When they have a so-called press release and they refer to “a source”, it is dubious at best.

Snuffles, did you read the comments under this posting. Outrage – people are on to the fact that this is not Adam debut’s album and it’s old stuff. The outrage is unbelievable. I think this is yesterday’s old news and they are behind in posting.

FYI: There are five songs for which Adam has obtained licensing as a writer. You can see them here: http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300 Just search for Adam Lambert and click on his name to see them.

Never mind. Found them, thanks.

Since Adam won’t be promoting this Hi-Fi album, Hi-Fi will do everything to make it appear that it has Adam’s blessings. It’s the only way they can promote it. I’m still intrigued with what the other songs sound like. No doubt his vocals will be great.

I guess we love Adam that much that’s why we tend to panic when we feel that things didn’t go the way it should be. We have been into many rollercoasters already. Yet we survived. Adam will be fine. In fact, despite this commotion, he is in the recording studio making sure that his RCA album will be sick. A lot of people in the industry loves him and they know that it’s hard to ignore his talent.

Adam’s original songs are: CRAWL THRU FIRE, I GOT THIS, KISS AND TELL, POP GOES THE CAMERA and SACRIFICE.

Interesting- I wonder who wrote Glamorize?

Possibly, Adam didn’t take seriously enough his contributions to other songs he helped write to be interested in receiving credit for them.

Just finished some web browsing…..almost all of the sites I’ve visited are now “including” the whole story about the “album” including Adam’s own press release. And other than some “dumb asses” , IMHO, who say that the song is wonderful, marvelous, and they can’t wait to buy the album, most of the comments are really laying into HiFi for being so underhanded and talking advantage of Adam.

I have this “little” feeling that HiFi is going to wish they had never started this before it is all over. As we have all witnessed, here, Adam does have a very protective fan base that isn’t afraid to be vocal when they think their boy has gotten the short end of the stick. If anyone takes any “legal” action against HiFi, I am pretty sure they will be completely villified in the press.

And, in the long run, this is just more press and media attention for Adam. By the time his “real” single comes out his PR people won’t need to market him for recognition…he seems to be pretty well known already. So the marketing will be the music and not Adam. One less thing for his management to worry about.

“Turns out the Glamberella was hard up for $$$$ a couple of years ago and lent his voice to some songs in order to pay the bills!”
I just notice PH called Adam Glamberella. That’s kind of cute lol.

If they give him co-writing credit is that a back-door way to be able to use his name? Co-writing credit is usually hard fought to obtain because it means share of royalties. But if RCA owns all use of “Adam Lambert”, so they can’t actually put Adam’s name or image on anything, even a web download, do the legal obligations of a record company to a writer mean they can. As in Songs co-written by Adam Lambert. With the “Adam Lambert” written large, and the rest quite small.

Aren’t they already using his name and image? They’re calling this song ‘Adam Lambert’s new single’. And I swear yesterday I saw him pictured on Wilshire’s site as a Wilshire Artist. It was surreal. How can Wilshire claim him when he’s signed to RCA?

If they can’t use his name at all then how can they promote anything? Here’s our new single by “You Know Who” *wink, wink*

If they give him co-writing credit is that a back-door way to be able to use his name?

It may be, but I don’t see how they would do this after the fact … Seems to me he’d have to sign something to allow it — after all, if he gets cowriting credit, then that ultimately woudl steal some money from the other people written as writers. (Although maybe they wouldn’t mind, since they’d think it would sell more of their songs…)

I really can’t imagine that they actually listed him as any kind of cowriter in the initial contract. These were demos of somebody’s songs, and that person certainly wouldn’t have wanted some random session singer to get part of that credit.

I can’t really imagine that he signed a contract at the time that said anything except: I attest that I’m lending my voice to recording these songs, and after I’m done recording this company can do anything they want with the songs and I’ll never collect another penny except for the paid-by-the-hour fee I got for singing them and I hereby rescind any and all rights to complain about anything done with these songs or my voice on them, hereafter in perpetuity and anywhere on earth or in the skies above it.

Here is an interesting bit on Adam working with a European producer called Brazen. http://www.mr-l.org/adam-lambert-disco-performances-with-brazen-aka-fonzerelli-old-tunes/

From Snuffles:

Many à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Best New Artistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  nominees in the past have had several albums out in the past before they got nominated. They use the term à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Best New Artistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  very loosely.

Shelby Lynne immediately comes to mind here. I believe she won the Horizon Award (CMA’s award for best new artist) several years before she won the Grammy for best new artist.

From Susan M:

Also, both albums will have a 2009 release date, so that should make him eligible for this year.

Only one problem. The eligibility timeframe isn’t Jan. 1 to Dec. 31. It’s usually around Oct. 1 to Sept 30 (with the nominations being announced sometime in early January). And this year, because the Grammys are earlier this year, the deadline for this year is Aug. 31. Anything released after that will have to wait until next year.

As Snuffles said, Hi Fi’s release should not affect Adam’s eligibility for the 2010 Grammys (assuming he releases his album in late 2009.

However, what would happen if unsuspecting Adam fans (or those who want a quick Adam fix) buy the Hi Fi release in droves, sending it high on the charts? Might that affect his eligibility for 2010? Even though Shelby won her Horizon award years before her best new artist Grammy, she never had mainstream popular success until she released her Grammy winning album.

I tweeter Adam a few times last night, as well the highly uninformef Seacrest. Doubt any of this made a difference, but I like to think I helped a little. I’m glad Adam opened his Twitter account before this debacle, so it doesn’t look like he opened it just in response to low-life Hi-Fi. You have already made very cogent posts about this, so I can only hope it doesn’t hurt Adam and wait for 19′s response.

Sorry for the typos. I’m posting from my iPhone, and I am not very good at it, obviously.

Adam FTW

HI-Fi records has Adam listed as one of their current artists:

http://www.hifirecordings.com/

Click artists and you’ll see his name.

How can this be legally possible??? Is there a entertainment lawyer in the house?

Can someone explain the Twitter thing to me. I have a couple of teenagers in the house that don’t use Twitter (??) and even if they did – if I asked I would get that look again (the one that says I have gone OTT with the Adam thing again). When I sign up what are the privacy settings like?

However, what would happen if unsuspecting Adam fans (or those who want a quick Adam fix) buy the Hi Fi release in droves, sending it high on the charts?

That would shock the heck out of me if people but it in droves to the point that it charts. I’m really curious to see what stations and entertainment outlets publicize this now that we all know Adam doesn’t want to be associated with it. I’m sure RCA will do some backdoor lobbying to ensure no one helps Hi Fi with this project of theirs. They are a small company and therefore they don’t have the influence/money that RCA has. I mean, how well have they done with Melinda Dootlittle, which kind of ticks me off since she’s so good. But they just don’t have the resources.

Adam sent a twitter out today saying he can’t wait for people to hear his “real” music. so he’s already telling people not to buy it. I hope they listen. I know I am.

Here is a statement for the producer for Brazen groups posted on his pre=idol work with Adam. http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=282377170

spring2009
You can sign up under a false name, there’s no obligation apart from a valid email. You can set your privacy settings so that no one can see your updates. What else would you like to know?

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From the statement by Brazen:

adam felt had to follow his dream or at least give it a try or he might regret it in the future -singing on my & mena music tracks would’ve only taken him so far and he needed a major label to propel him onto a worldwide stage

he deserves every sucess and he has my full support

as far as new digital glitter tracks go there are a few not yet released but i might put them up for free for fans of adam

What a decent & ethical fellow.

HI-Fi records has Adam listed as one of their current artists:

That’s what I saw! I don’t get it either. It’s like they’ve usurped RCA completely. Maybe because they’re calling him a “featured artist” it’s okay? It’s totally bizarre to me.

Tried to Google search the timeline of this HiFi announcement. Yesterday, a writer named Melinda Newman, at a site called HitFix, wrote about “Want”. And she said, emphasis added:

Today, we in the press received an MP3 of “Want,” the first track from “On with the Show,” an album of material recorded by Lambert pre-”Idol.

Does that mean every music blog got an MP3 of Want in their inbox yesterday? And Perez decided to claim it his “World Premiere”? Which could lean towards his being less in cahoots with WiFi. However, since it is so clearly a demo, and so clearly not from RCA, it does not answer if Perez wanted to hurt Adam.

Newman wrote about it as one of those things that happen to stars. Early things get slimed around. She does say that HiFi is not considered disreputable. But it’s a recession, people get in money trouble….

No news here, but this is Newman’s article.

From Brazen producer: “…when adam entered the comp (referring to AI) he (like everyone else) had to sign a contract, which is standard practice, that restricts them from having other musical commitments outside of idol for a certain period of time. obviously i was really sorry to have to let adam go as he was by far the best singing talent that i’ve ever worked with -a genuine ‘born to sing type’ of guy and really pleasent as well…”

Here is an interesting bit on Adam working with a European producer called Brazen. http://www.mr-l.org/adam-lambert-disco-performances-with-brazen-aka-fonzerelli-old-tunes/

Fonzerelli/Brazen remixes of a couple of Adam’s original songs are on youtube. I like them, but I didn’t realize he was a big deal. Interesting.

I was perusing my homepage from AT&T and in entertainment is listed an article released about the album – it did give Adam’s disclaimer, but basically in small print at the end. If you wanted to listen you could go to Hi-Fi and listen – it’s still up, unfortunately.

However, what would happen if unsuspecting Adam fans (or those who want a quick Adam fix) buy the Hi Fi release in droves, sending it high on the charts? Might that affect his eligibility for 2010? Even though Shelby won her Horizon award years before her best new artist Grammy, she never had mainstream popular success until she released her Grammy winning album.

I kind of doubt this company would have the cash to pump out and place enough copies for this to happen. … If you could get to the top numbers with downloads, it might be possible, but we sort of aren’t at that point yet, are we? I don’t get the impression that these people are flush enough with cash to take that kind of risk …. W

But seems to me they’re *awfully* flexible on the “new” part of those those “best new artist” awards. Plus, the people who win them don’t necessarily do that well in the long run, anyway, so I’m not sure he needs to worry that much about getting one!

I went to the ASCAP site as linked upthread and there were NO songs listed under Adam Lambert as a WRITER. There were five songs listed under Adam Lambert as a PERFORMER! Big diff!

Works performed by:
ADAM LAMBERT
1. CRAWL THRU FIRE
(Title Code: 333655791)
2. I GOT THIS
(Title Code: 393433131)
3. KISS AND TELL
(Title Code: 410827397)
4. POP GOES THE CAMERA
(Title Code: 462661996)
5. SACRIFICE
(Title Code: 495998571)

:tongue2_tb:

revcat – If you click on the songs you will see that Adam is credited for co-writing and performing each of those songs.

revcat
Jun 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I went to the ASCAP site as linked upthread and there were NO songs listed under Adam Lambert as a WRITER. There were five songs listed under Adam Lambert as a PERFORMER! Big diff!

Revcat if you go back to the site and then click each of the 5 songs you found under Adam Performer, you will find him credited as a co-Writer.

I kind of doubt this company would have the cash to pump out and place enough copies for this to happen. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ If you could get to the top numbers with downloads, it might be possible, but we sort of arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t at that point yet, are we? I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get the impression that these people are flush enough with cash to take that kind of risk à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. W

Making copies of CD’s is the cheapest part of the process. I’m wondering how they are going to promote them, however, just on the internet (as they are already doing now)?

Okay, Sunn & xuziqueue I checked it out, thanks. You are right. MY BAD! Does anyone know if any of the songs listed on ASCAP are among the songs that HiFi is releasing? The only title I have seen is Want and it is not on this list. If I’m missing something (again!) let me know. THANKS!

Meanwhile here is some comic relief, Adam’s AI music cited in a musical therapy site (scroll down to the part where it mentions his AI songs):

http://www.mr-l.org/adam-lambert-and-the-music-therapy/

:wub_tb:

When you search Adam Lambert hifi, you get dozens and dozens and dozens (I stopped looking after three pages) of articles from different media sources. The news is out there.

Making copies of CDà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s is the cheapest part of the process. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m wondering how they are going to promote them, however, just on the internet (as they are already doing now)?

Yeah, that’s why I said “produce and *place*” them. They don’t just have to manufacture them, they have to get them in stores and promote them. Or, if they don’t get them placed in stores, they’ll have to promote them even harder. That would take a lot of both savvy and bucks. Have they got it? I kind of doubt it.

This is EXACTLY what happened to Christina Agurilera. I’m thinking RCA might do the same for Adam that they did for Christina… Here is a blurb.

Just Be Free is an unofficial album of future American pop/R&B singer Christina Aguilera’s early demo recordings, which were submitted when she was fourteen and fifteen years old. These tracks were never intended to be released to the public, but were instead used as a tool to enter the music industry.

In 2000, by which time she was a household name, a single emerged into record stores called “Just Be Free”, one of the demos Aguilera recorded. When RCA Records discovered the single, they officially advised fans not to purchase it, since it was unauthorized, and had German authorities pull the single off shelves as well. Months later, indie label Warlock Records was set to release Just Be Free, an album which contains the demo tracks. Aguilera filed a breach of contract and unfair-competition suit against Warlock and former producers Michael Brown and Robert Alleca in an effort to block the release, arguing that the album didn’t reflect her music direction because of her age when she recorded it, and how they used Aguilera’s name, likeness and image without permission to advertise a product.[citation needed]

In the end, the two parties came to a settlement to release the album to the public. She lent out her name, likeness and image for an unspecified amount of damages. Many of the details of the lawsuit remain confidential. When the album was released on August 21, 2001, it had a photograph of Aguilera when she was fifteen years old, and the following statement from her written in its liner notes:
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“

Dear Friends:

Just Be Free was recorded when I was 14 and 15 years old. At that young age, I made the recordings as a possible stepping stone to a career in music, which is my ultimate passion. They were made just so that I could get my foot in the door of the music business.

I did not intend that the recordings would be widely released, especially after I signed with a major record label. I have not updated or finished the versions recorded in my childhood, and they are being released “as is,” although I tried to prevent the release for several years.

The recordings do not in any way reflect my current musical taste and where I am as an artist. The growth and vocal development I experienced as I matured into young adulthood is not reflected in the recordings. The album of new recordings that I intend to release this fall will be the album that truly reflects my artistry, my vision, and my passion. The Just Be Free recordings will hopefully be a footnote in a musical career that I dream will last for many years to come.

How will they also promote this without being able to put a picture of Adam on the cover? I don’t think that they have the rights to that right?

Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if HiFi just gave it to Perez directly- that’s free advertisement for millions of viewers.

The only bad thing is that there are a lot of people that might not keep up with the latest news, they will end up buying the cd if they see it in stores, think that’s the music he is (which is pretty ugh), and not give it another chance when his real cd comes out.

To me, I don’t see why people would buy this only if Adam gets a cut. (You know there will be tons of sites that will have it for free) He obviously does not support this and I doubt the little amount of money that he does get will make him feel better. Just save the money and buy some more No Boundaries! hehe.. j/k. just save the money

@LadyBeBop, you are totally right. Oops, my bad!

snuffles
Many à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Best New Artistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  nominees in the past have had several albums out in the past before they got nominated. They use the term à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Best New Artistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  very loosely.

There has also been at least one instance (this is the only one I know of, but then I don’t really pay attention to this type of stuff) where a singer’s *third* album was – and still is – called her “debut” album. Alannis Morissette. Her first two albums were *not* independent releases, but “Jagged Little Pill” is still called her debut album. I’ve never understood it.

Re: Adam – This whole thing with HiFi is extremely odd. Something is rotten in Denmark, if you ask me. …Is it just a coincidence that surname of the CEO of HiFi is “Heckler”?? lol

If they canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t use his name at all then how can they promote anything? Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s our new single by à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“You Know Whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  *wink, wink*

Well since they’re into “using” the work of others to line their pockets, they could go with “He Who Must Not Be Named.”

There seems to be something a bit ironic going on within Adam’s fandom. So many people were so worried that Adam wouldn’t be getting the hype and the exposure needed when his official single is released that they thought it would just languish on the rack. And now that there is an unofficial single out many of the same fans are worrying that it will just fly off the rack and totally ruin Adam.

I’ll just give the music buying public a lot more credit. And, other than the CD we won’t see anything else in stores (if it even makes it there). No special Adam Lambert displays, no posters, no songs blaring over the speakers, no radio interviews, no spins on reputable music sites. Come on the list is endless.

I actually like the song, but now that I know that Adam has disavowed it, I won’t be downloading.

revcat
Okay, Sunn & xuziqueue I checked it out, thanks. You are right. MY BAD! Does anyone know if any of the songs listed on ASCAP are among the songs that HiFi is releasing? The only title I have seen is Want and it is not on this list. If Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m missing something (again!) let me know. THANKS!

None of the songs you listed upthread are related to this HiFi “thing” (as far as I know). I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard “Sacrifice”, but I know all the others (they can be found on youtube). He co-wrote “Crawl Thru Fire” with Monte Pittman for the Zodiac Show and “I Got This” is with his former band Citizen Vein (also with Pittman). “Kis & Tell” appears to be one of the Fonzerelli remixes but I don’t know where the original song is from. At any rate, I don’t think any of these are related to HiFi. (JMO)

When you search Adam Lambert hifi, you get dozens and dozens and dozens (I stopped looking after three pages) of articles from different media sources. The news is out there.

Remember the time when we (the collective “we”) were grousing about the media focusing too much on Adam’s sexuality and not enough on his music?

Be careful what you wish for,
‘Cause you just might get it all.
You just might get it all,
And then some you don’t want.
- “Home”, Daughtry

Remember the time when we (the collective à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) were grousing about the media focusing too much on Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sexuality and not enough on his music?

Yup!

Let’s play a game of what if….
Follow me here. We had mention upthread that PH was not the only media outlet to have received Want, he was just the first one to ‘scoop’ it. Knowing that he is friends with Ferras and acquaintences with Adam, I can’t believe for a moment that he actually believed that this was the new single. He might be dumb, but he ain’t stupid.

What if Adam/19 had at least a strong hunch that HiFi was going to pull this stunt, and PH broke it to control the spin? It would explain the breakneck speed at which all the crap flew yesterday, as well as PH’s rapid retake on the whole mess. It seems now that the dust is settling no one is buying that this is a legit single, and part of that has to be because of Adam’s timely statement and PH’s correction.

Too Knollish?

“The only bad thing is that there are a lot of people that might not keep up with the latest news, they will end up buying the cd if they see it in stores, think thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the music he is (which is pretty ugh), and not give it another chance when his real cd comes out.”

-RCA is a huge company and will heavily promote Adam’s first REAL album (the music producers they have for Adam do not come in cheap and RCA needs to see a return on their investment). Before Adam’s existence, I do not depend on internet or print news to see who’s hot in the music industry. I just rely on the TV and the radio. And when I find a music to my liking then that’s the time I begin asking questions about the artist….then my interest in them develops. When I heard Poker Face, I didn’t know the artist but I liked the music beat. It was only when she appeared on AI that I came to know how Lady Gaga looks like or performs. So I think with the right promotion of the album, Adam’s REAL album will be given another chance by those who are not into the latest news.

Why do I get the feeling that with Adam’s latest tweet, an RCA single will be released this summer or right after the Idol tour.

Why do I get the feeling that with Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s latest tweet, an RCA single will be released this summer or right after the Idol tour.

Well, Archie’s “Crush” was released to radio on 8/1/08 and for sale on 8/12/08 and I would imagine that RCA just might step up the single launch for Adam due to HIFI’s crapola.

DespiteMyself,

i want to add to your conspiracy theory of 19 orchestrating this release late on a Friday afternoon. Will this give them justification to move the release date of Adam’s debut album up. People will complain if Adam’s album is released before that of Kris. They can now say they were forced to do so by the HiFi release. Also I noticed a big spike in Adam Lambert google search again today. Is all publicity good publicity?

One thing is for sure it is not boring being an Adam fan!

Is it common for session singers to sing the song before the real artist records it? Some of the things I have read are comparing what Adam did (Demo Work) to a model posing nude. Isn’t it just a young musician paying their dues? I know Adam had mentioned being a session singer. Do all record companys use random talent never to be released? How do they use these session singers? Thanks for the information – I am a bit nieve about the music business.

*****Also I noticed a big spike in Adam Lambert google search again today. Is all publicity good publicity?

It’s boosting itune digital album sales again too he’s at $45 again when he dropped to #51.

If the controversial stories keep up Adam may have a his house down payment with just itunes sales alone :tongue3_tb:

kay396 Jun 20th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

DespiteMyself,

i want to add to your conspiracy theory of 19 orchestrating this release late on a Friday afternoon. Will this give them justification to move the release date of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s debut album up. People will complain if Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album is released before that of Kris. They can now say they were forced to do so by the HiFi release. Also I noticed a big spike in Adam Lambert google search again today. Is all publicity good publicity?

One thing is for sure it is not boring being an Adam fan!

kay396, Archie released his album a day before David Cook did last year, so 19 doesn’t need any justification if Adam’s album is released before Kris’s.

Also, if a songwriter really can’t sing worth a darn, they will pay a session singer to record the demo to be presented. Then someone will record the song for the recording company as what happened with “December/Want.”

Just because Wi Fi said they didn’t notify 19, doesn’t mean that Adam couldn’t have talked to them about it. Like Brazen, Adam had some other work out there. That’s to be expected as most of the contestants have something out. I’m sure Adam talked about it. Adam went ahead with his busy day as many tweetered saw him entering a recording studio last night, and we know a videographer was working with him too. (after he was in the studio with RedOne and his friend Alison) Life went on. Adam probably talked with these people and hoped they would react as Brazen did. Evidently WiFi is hard up for money.

WiFi doesn’t need any publicity money. They’ve gotten so much free press on this it’s unreal.

I think if I had some recordings that I felt didn’t truly represent me, I’d stop at the recording company and discuss what, if anything they plan to do with those recordings. So, no, I don’t think it odd that Adam went there before starting Idol.

Of his pre-idol songs, I love the following: Glamorize, Pop Goes the Camera and Kiss n’ Tell – I love the remixes and I’d love to see how he’d re-do those for a album now.

Also, I would not purchase the album by HiFi or WiFi whatever they are called. The only way I’d purchase it, is if Adam Lambert received any money from it, because it is his art.

DespiteMyself, nothing’s too knollish. Because it’s so unexplained why Perez did this. And even more unexplained why Ryan followed.

So it’s possible Perez was leaking for RCA. Not going with likely. But, yes, possible. The “World Premiere” headline he slapped on it was so strange, and so crazy stupid. And he did get the retraction going fast. So, it could be that the “World Premiere” was part of the set-up to get more attention. It did come out at the best time, Friday late. So maybe. Maybe RCA saw that HiFi was releasing anyway. (They had to have been in negotiations.) So when Perez called Adam, or Ferras who called Adam, RCA said go with it.

However, seems like there would be a lot easier ways for RCA to handle this than use Perez Hilton. Or to have the restraining orders a little further along. Because one MP3 on the web equals 10 million.

So, it’s just as possible HiFi sent to only weak link bloggers. People they thought they could get to use it. Perez because he’s out to get Adam and/or likes hits and Adam links. The blogger who didn’t fall for it mentioned above, who recognized it instantly as bad and a demo, has a Beta blog. She’s trying to break in. The big sites were going to recognize it instantly for what it was, if they got it, and call RCA and ask what’s going on.

There is no evidence of large or reputable news sites getting it. Or at least, if they did, using it. They all quoted Perez.

The biggest argument in favor of Perez doing RCA a favor is there is absolutely no way he thought this was legit. Or even more than a demo. Which is also the argument in favor of he wanted to create trouble for Adam, show who was boss, and up site hits.

kay396, lansav answered your question. Think of a demo like a prototype an inventor might build to pitch his product. It gives potential clients (artists) a referrence point to see if that particular song is something they would be wiling to record. It is never designed to be heared by the public, hence the ‘thinness’ of the sound. Session singers hire themseves out in order to pay the rent as well as to get their names out there among writers, artists, and producers.

Fifthhousesun, I think I like the way you think.

Is it common for session singers to sing the song before the real artist records it? Some of the things I have read are comparing what Adam did (Demo Work) to a model posing nude. Isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it just a young musician paying their dues? I know Adam had mentioned being a session singer. Do all record companys use random talent never to be released? How do they use these session singers? Thanks for the information – I am a bit nieve about the music business.

Well, when you have a demo of any kind — including something you want to submit to a music label; a musical play you want to shop for producers for; etc etc — you’re going to have to shop the piece of music around, and you do that through a recording.

Generally, singers with their own careers are not going to have time or inclination to record your demo tracks — even if they’re your friends — and, if you’re like many composers — you couldn’t afford them anyway. So you get a lesser-paid, lesser-known session singer to do it. The session singers will also be singing backup for people, singing jingles, singing in the chorus of stuff. The luckier ones are singing on Dancing With the Stars, and such. And some are seriously trying to launch their own solo careers or bands or something, whereas others figure they’re going to be sesssion singers forever, or also work as vocal coaches or the like.

Adam singing these songs was just a normal thing you’d do if you were trying to make a living from your musical skill. It’s “work for hire,” pretty much like writers and painters and such do. You do what they set out for you and usually sign an agreement that you’re getting a one-time payment and the end product belongs to the person you recorded the thing for.

Does anyone know if RCA has made a statement regarding any of this?

The more I read through this very interesting thread, the more confused I feel. If Adam issued a statement distancing himself from these recordings as being sessions he recorded as a struggling artist, and then tweet about it not being representative of his current work (which I take as him saying don’t buy these), then why hasn’t 19/RCA issued a statement yet? They surely must know of the controversy surrounding the tracks and Hi-Fi, and yet remain mum. This ain’t going quietly into the good night. So do you think they are working hard on obtaining a settlement with Hi-Fi? Do they wait to see how it plays out (e.g., how high Adam’s iTunes compilation album climbs) and THEN issue a strongly worded pay no attention to this album statement, ala Christina Auguilera, as noted above, followed by mention of the (early) release of his *official* Idol first single? Or are their hands legitimately tied?

I don’t care if it results in more money and sales for Adam, but I am still skeptical.

Thanks all for answering my questions. I feel a little better informed.

Suebody,

I wonder if they are waiting until Monday to release an official statement. It will be a fresh news cycle.

kay396, Archie released his album a day before David Cook did last year, so 19 doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need any justification if Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album is released before Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s.

Actually linsav, Archie’s was released on 11-10 last year. I know I bought a couple on 11-11 and Cook’s was then released on 11-18. I also remember that a lot of DCs fans were very upset about it but I guess they got over it as his album has done quite well, lol.

@FifthHouseSun, I also LOVE the way you think …

Generally, singers with their own careers are not going to have time or inclination to record your demo tracks à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  even if theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re your friends à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and, if youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re like many composers à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  you couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t afford them anyway. So you get a lesser-paid, lesser-known session singer to do it. The session singers will also be singing backup for people, singing jingles, singing in the chorus of stuff. The luckier ones are singing on Dancing With the Stars, and such. And some are seriously trying to launch their own solo careers or bands or something, whereas others figure theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re going to be sesssion singers forever, or also work as vocal coaches or the like.

Yes, but it is also very relevant to mention that session/studio/backup singers are also often considered the best in the business. Remember, Melinda Doolittle was a backup singer and she was fantastic! For whatever reason … it’s not their aspiration, it’s not in the cards, it’s what they’re doing until the big break comes … studio and session artists are out there and they’re AMAZING.

Look how Adam was in the chorus of “Wicked” all this time. I used to live/work in Hollywood at a hotel that was a bastion of the music industry. I had MANY musician friends and when they heard a certain drummer or guitarist was a studio artist, they were like, “Whoa!” THESE are the guys, like Ricky Minor or Michael Orland, who (if it weren’t for AI) we may not know, but the industry respects immensely.

new text from adam

therealGlambert: Happy Birthday to ALisan Porter! I’m seeing her and Tye Taylor perform tonight at the Kirk Douglas Theatre in Culver City at 8pm!!!!!

(countdown to huge crowds showing up at the Kirk Douglas Theater)

giving away your location and time? come on now, adam! im sure he is trying to drum up crowds to see his friends perform, but he is gonna get bombarded.

ETA: one of the funny responses

wassupeunuch: @therealGlambert Homie, you gonna get chased by rabid fanbeasts now.

New tweet from Adam:
“Happy Birthday to ALisan Porter! I’m seeing her and Tye Taylor perform tonight at the Kirk Douglas Theatre in Culver City at 8pm!!!!!”

new text from adam

therealGlambert: Happy Birthday to ALisan Porter! Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m seeing her and Tye Taylor perform tonight at the Kirk Douglas Theatre in Culver City at 8pm!!!!!

(countdown to huge crowds showing up at the Kirk Douglas Theater)

giving away your location and time? come on now, adam! im sure he is trying to drum up crowds to see his friends perform, but he is gonna get bombarded.

ETA: one of the funny responses

wassupeunuch: @therealGlambert Homie, you gonna get chased by rabid fanbeasts now.

He’ll learn! Hope he’s taking some security with him! :eek_wp:

wassupeunuch: @therealGlambert Homie, you gonna get chased by rabid fanbeasts now.

haha. wassupeunuch also tweeted this: Adam Lambert’s ‘Want’ is like ‘No Boundaries’ gone right. I have 2 words for y’all: don’t you dare slag it off.

anna in vegas Jun 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

kay396, Archie released his album a day before David Cook did last year, so 19 doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need any justification if Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album is released before Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s.

Actually linsav, Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s was released on 11-10 last year. I know I bought a couple on 11-11 and Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s was then released on 11-18. I also remember that a lot of DCs fans were very upset about it but I guess they got over it as his album has done quite well, lol.

My bad, I had the dates written down but didn’t pay attention to what I was typing.

why hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t 19/RCA issued a statement yet? They surely must know of the controversy surrounding the tracks and Hi-Fi, and yet remain mum. This ainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going quietly into the good night. So do you think they are working hard on obtaining a settlement with Hi-Fi?

My best guess is that the talks have been on-going and either reached impasse or fell through or stalled or what have you, sometime earlier in the week, and this is HiFi’s response. (And I agree, it probably wasn’t a big surprise to 19/RCA or Adam.) I suspect that TPTB aren’t reacting publicly now because they’re working privately on their next move — possibly even injunction papers to be filed on Monday, coupled with a press statement.

Just guessing, of course…

Adam Lambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ is like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹No Boundariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ gone right. I have 2 words for yà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢all: donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t you dare slag it off.

Poor guy, he’s getting it from all sides. He’ll soon get the Twitter effect. Culver City? I COULD make it there by 8:00 … but I’d rather kick back, have a nice dinner and revere Adam here instead ;- )

I feel like I’m gonna have to stay tune for the night. Something is coming… :ponder_tb:

maybe this is his substitute for not being in the pictures with the rest of them… he decided to make sure we got some video of him tonight instead… getting the pimp spot as usual hehe

:cool1_tb:

and unique28v – i was reading some of his/her other posts and they are pretty funny.

maybe this is his substitute for not being in the pictures with the rest of themà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ he decided to make sure we got some video of him tonight insteadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ getting the pimp spot as usual hehe

Yeh, it’s almost like an open invitation to TMZ ……… makes one wonder……

just an aside…i have adam’s no boudaries on my ipod and i absolutely love it. it really gets me going on the treadmill!

Yeh, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s almost like an open invitation to TMZ à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ makes one wonderà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

its also a good way to get people talking about something else other than the Hi Fi situation.

I’m watching “Silence of the Lambs,” and am likely TOTALLY REACHING here, but I’m wondering if the symbolism of the butterfly on the RS cover might have something to do with that (“Lambs, etc.). I certainly hadn’t figured it out before.

Hmm, Susan… I saw the butterfly as relating back to “The Liberation of Adam Lambert” theme they had going. KWIM?

Adam is just temping me to go stalk him. He put the location time and everything.

BestAI Jun 20th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

New tweet from Adam:
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Happy Birthday to ALisan Porter! Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m seeing her and Tye Taylor perform tonight at the Kirk Douglas Theatre in Culver City at 8pm!!!!!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Ooh, is that the Tye Taylor that was a contestant on “Rock Star – INXS?”
Great singer/performer.

I’m sorry DespiteMyself, what’s KWIM? I was thinking the liberation is opposite of “the silence” and therein lies the symbolism. OR I could be completely out to lunch …

New tweet from Adam:
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Happy Birthday to ALisan Porter! Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m seeing her and Tye Taylor perform tonight at the Kirk Douglas Theatre in Culver City at 8pm!!!!!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Yeh, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s almost like an open invitation to TMZ à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ makes one wonderà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I think Adam’s just pimping his friends’ show.

Still, I’m looking forward to the pics the audience will be snapping when he arrives … or TMZ …

Oh, I get what you mean now, Susan! Sorry, I’m a little slow.

KWIM= know what I mean

Thanks! Still catching up on the lingo. I don’t know, as I said, it’s probably a stretch, but it’s kind of an interesting concept when you think about it. I kept thinking, ‘Why the butterfly?” I thought it must mean something.

While Heckerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s statements sound dubious I have to give his company credit. They did a kick-ass job on Melinda Doolittleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s debut. I hope the controversy leaves her unscathed.

So the promotion of Melinda’s CD has been good? She’s sold a lot?

My best guess is that the talks have been on-going and either reached impasse or fell through or stalled or what have you, sometime earlier in the week, and this is HiFià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s response. (And I agree, it probably wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a big surprise to 19/RCA or Adam.)

I think it was a surprise. The Billboard article had a quote from Hecker saying he hadn’t had any talks with 19 or anyone else about this. He then joked that they probably know about it now. Friday was probably the first time they ever heard about it. I suspect a lot of people had their weekend ruined. They’re probably considering their response right now.

Hmm, Susanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I saw the butterfly as relating back to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Liberation of Adam Lambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  theme they had going. KWIM?

Maybe my mind is just in the gutter (when it comes to the Glambert that’s a very real possibility) but I saw the butterfly as the other side of the whole sexuality issue. The snake represents, well…you know, it’s pretty obvious. And the butterfly represents what women bring to the table…

Alisan Porter was in the movie Curly Sue and she was in the Ten Commandments with Adam. I think Tye Taylor may be the Tye Taylor from Rockstar: INXS

Ooh, Ellie2, that’s a good one too! Hadn’t thought of that, but also brilliant! Who knows, they stylist could of thought it was a cool pin, but I think I like your theory better.

Ellie2—That’s what popped into my head when I saw the cover.

Ellie2 – that is exactly what i thought as well. you’re not alone in the gutter

i also read on a different board that people thought it was related to certain “positions”… :blush_tb:

or maybe it is supposed to be good (butterfly) vs. evil (snake). he did originally want to do the garden of eden/good/evil/fruit of knowledge thing…

if i had to bet, i would say it was either a symbol for “good” to contrast the snake or a symbol of “rebirth” or “liberation”

Twinkle, also a good theory. One thing’s for sure, it’s a brilliantly composed cover. Your eye doesn’t know where to go à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ it tracks from his face to his body to the snake and back up à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ always ending back on his face (and I’m sorry, could that be any MORE perfect?).

I’m in print media and we spend more time than you can imagine in cover meetings analyzing every detail until the point that those in the meeting (with YEARS of experience) don’t even trust their own instincts, so we have to pull people in to get their gut reactions.

This cover is exquisite. They nailed it.

I think it’s much simpler than that – think of the phases a butterfly goes thru – it’s many from the pupae to the chrysollis to the cocoon and finally the emerging butterfly – beautiful and elusive in it’s colorful glory. Butterfies are multicolored and varied, which our Adam is. The pupae and cryssalis being the uglier first stages which Adam admits to with his ugly ducking complex in High school. He has emerged – not a rebirth, but a birth. Same as the ugly ducking became a beautiful swan. Adam is now a free beautiful butterfly – he has emerged from his cocoon. The snake is what he has become, daring, quick, striking, unafraid.

Wow, smokeyvera, I love that concept too! And also beautifully written. Who knew it was such a complex issue? But I think with Adam, everything is complex. That is what is so compelling about him … he has so many dimensions that seem to conflict, yet make exquisite sense when put together. (And also why we can’t stop talking about and analyzing him … which I don’t think I’ll ever tire of).

Not to interrupt the butterfly talk, which is truly thrilling me!

The Billboard article had a quote from Hecker saying he hadnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t had any talks with 19 or anyone else about this.

I thought I read the quote to say he’d not told 19 that he’s planning an album release of the songs, not that he’d had no talks at all with 19.

But who knows. I don’t believe this came as a surprise, but I’m guessing just like everyone else.

Back to butterflies and where they land…

Yes, but it is also very relevant to mention that session/studio/backup singers are also often considered the best in the business. Remember, Melinda Doolittle was a backup singer and she was fantastic! For whatever reason à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not their aspiration, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not in the cards, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re doing until the big break comes à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ studio and session artists are out there and theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re AMAZING.

Since Ty Taylor from Rock Star INXS was brought up, I should also add that the House Band from the Rock Star series had some amazing session players who’ve backed up a lot of major acts, as well as done stuff on their own. Hmmm, Adam’s gonna need a band for his album and for touring. I wonder how many of those guys are available?

Took time out from the butterfly discussion to watch Adam on TheBestArts.com, which I flove because they have the whole package à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ intros and judges comments. Someone mentioned on another site or thread that there is another site that has the whole performances, but you can put them on fullscreen, which you can’t on BestArts. I don’t remember the name of the site, does anyone else know?

Adam fans…is this the weekend that the INSIDER is going to have the special on the Young Hollywood Awards? I can’t remember.

I almost hate to mention this, but Rickey from Rickey.org just twittered this new tag:
#hifiisadouche

It’s true, it makes me laugh, and I want to see it trend.

I wonder how Adam will respond to TMZ’s probable onslaught tonight:

Hi, Adam, how’s it going?
It’s going well, how are you?
Um, great, I was just wondering, what can you tell us about your new single?
Do I have a new single?
Yeah, man, it’s called Want, it’s all over the Internet.
Really?
Yeah, it’s great, your vocals are awesome.
Well, I’m glad I sound good, what a bummer if I didn’t! I would definitely WANT to!
Uh, yeah…good one! So, Adam–
Sorry, dude, gotta go, but thanks for the compliment! I appreciate it.
TMZ guy backs into a tree.
And… Scene.

I thought I read the quote to say heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d not told 19 that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s planning an album release of the songs, not that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d had no talks at all with 19.

He said he didn’t notify 19 of his intent to release a debut album of Adam’s songs.

“Hi Fi Recordings did not notify 19 Entertainment about its intent to release Lambert’s debut album before announcing the news on Friday afternoon. “I bet they know now,” Hecker says.”

If he had been having any kind of talks with 19 about this issue they would have known what his intent was and what he was up to. I suppose he could have talked about the weather with them.

Anyway, I think this came as something of a surprise. They would have been more prepared if they had known.

Susan M., you can rewatch the entire season here, full shows.

What’s interesting is how different some of Adam’s dress rehearsal performances are (from the recaps at the end), like BoW.

yes, CindyM… she says at the end of this video “mark your calendars for the weekend of June 20th”

havent seen or heard anything about it though…

CindyM, twinkle, the Insider featuring YHA was aired today at 4:30 pm PST on CBS. There wasn’t anything new, they just went over the RS story. Most of the footages were previously shown. They didn’t even show the acceptance speech. So, you didn’t miss anything.

Just wanted to add something about the butterfly…

Adam said somewhere and I really wish I remember where but he said it wasn’t his idea for the butterfly it was the artists idea….anyone remember where he said this?

Adam said somewhere and I really wish I remember where but he said it wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t his idea for the butterfly it was the artists ideaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.anyone remember where he said this?

In the comcast interview. The snake was adam’s idea. He was going to an adam and eve type thing.

We don’t get the Insider in Boston, or maybe we do and I couldn’t find it, but from what you said, al2009atw, I guess it didn’t matter or it will end up being posted somewhere…

I have to say, in a couple of Adam’s most recent interviews, especially when he heard he was one of People’s hottest bachelors, that he saw himself as an ugly duckling. Have you seen pictures of him in Wicked? Pictures and videos of him on youtube? NO UGLY DUCKLING there. He is more than attractive from the inside out. He is gorgeous outside in!!!

i looked for a new insider video and didn’t see one, but did find this one that i had missed which was a recap of the RS article.

sensationalized much? god. so much of that was taken out of context and blown out of proportion.

anyways… back to happier things… that butterfly

and i agree, BestAI. he might have been an awkward teen (weren’t we all?) but i haven’t seen anything post high school that doesnt say “beautiful swan” to me.

Just watching TV – on the E channel and during whatever show I was watching-they scroll various news across the bottom. They just scrolled the news about Adam Lambert and the “single”.

twinkle Jun 21st, 2009 at 1:22 am

and i agree, BestAI. he might have been an awkward teen (werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t we all?) but i havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seen anything post high school that doesnt say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“beautiful swanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to me.

For Brigadoon he was still a little on the chubby side with his strawberry blonde hair. Perception is a hard thing to shake once it is ingrained into your psyche. If we were the chubby ugly ducklings it is very hard to see ourselves as attractive to a lot of people.

suebrody
I almost hate to mention this, but Rickey from Rickey.org just twittered this new tag: #hifiisadouche

ROFL!! That’s hilarious! And I like your prediction of the conversation between Adam & TMZ, good call.

oh, i agree, linsav! those early years are very formative. but from my POV… hotness inside and out.

if anyone needs a good chuckle and remembers the original dramatic chipmunk, this is hilarious

dramatic adam

twinkle – when thinking of Adam the old phrase “They broke the mold when God made him” comes to mind. He is certainly one of a kind in this business.

Why did HiFi/Wilshire remove “December” from their site about 24 hours ago? December is a new title for Want sung by Dublyn Jones. It’s a duet. Why a duet? Because nobody could reach Adam’s high noted, so they had to use a woman for these parts of the song. This is where you could listen to December:
http://www.welsford.net/player_rockPop.html
I would gladly pay for Adam’s pre-Idol stuff, but only if the release is done properly. I most certainly will not support these bottom feeders who did not recognize Adam’s talent nor did they help his career in any way, but now they want to ride his coat tails and cash in. No, I am not supporting their scheme. I have to admit, I do listen to Want for free. It is a crappy song, not quite as crappy as No Boundaries, but Adam’s vocals are superb. Somehow this song sort of sneaks up on you.
HiFi/Wilshire and everybody else who has demos etc: Don’t mess with our boy!!!

This is where you could listen to December:
http://www.welsford.net/player_rockPop.html

No longer I’m afraid. The song was removed late Friday/Early Saturday. The Wilshire site only plays unlicensed music and December/Want was licensed by HI-FI and thus removed.

Re Adam making even a song as trite as Want listenable -

This morning from Brian Williams at http://nwitimes.com/articles/2009/06/21/columnists/brian_williams/doc52d3986bad0362f0862575d8007297ee.txt

“Here it is the longest day of the year (Well, the day of most daylight, that is. In the Northern Hemisphere, that is.) and in a way I’m wishing it were the shortest. Then I’d have less time I’d need to hide my face.

It has finally happened. I have run out of things to say. A reader once accused me of slapping together my column just before deadline, which is about as far from the reality as can be. The gestation period for some of my columns has been close to a year. I toss around most for a while, trying to figure out how to say what I want to say. But this week the goose has produced no golden egg.

To be precise: I haven’t run out of ideas. It’s just that none of the various thoughts I’ve been throwing around upstairs the past several weeks has gained any traction with my fancy. None has seemed worth the effort — mine or yours — to expand to full column length.

Here, I’ll show you. Here’s a list of the rejected topics:

* The first day of summer, the most glorious day of the year! Songs in praise of the season of berries and songbirds. The obligatory rant against stinkin’, noisy, green-house-gas-emitting lawnmowers that go and ruin it all. But, naw, I’ve done that one before.

* A consideration of songs that, by virtue of some indefinable quality, are in a class of one and should never be covered (unless it’s by Adam Lambert). Songs like “In the Summertime,” “Sultans of Swing,” “Bette Davis Eyes,” “Baker Street.” No, I’d just embarrass myself.”

Wilshire and Hi Fi’s Glam Is Flim Flam and Adam Fans Ain’t Buying It.

Maybe some media outlets want to know more about Wilshire and Hi Fi’s “story” to explore the “mysteries” of the studio sessions and who wrote what song, who signed what when in order to stir the pot.

But to Adam’s fans, none of this should matter.

I have tons of friends who are singers who have worked in sessions on songs they couldn’t stand and would never want to hear again. They wanted to get some experience and needed the money. It’s not deep.

Hi Fi and Wilshire’s reasons or background story or “intentions” are irrelevant.

Fans of Adam Lambert should not care what Hi Fi has to say because Adam distanced himself from those songs in his press release last Friday.

Adam Lambert wants his fans to wait to hear his new album with RCA. He wants his fans to support the work he is doing now. There is no confusion about that.

If we support Adam Lambert as an artist we should do what he has asked and we should not download, purchase or listen to the Hi Fi recordings.

HI FI can claim the Holy Trinity floated down to their offices and told them to make this album to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“helpà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Adam. They could whip out a contract signed in blood by Adam last Monday and witnessed by Judge Judy, Adam’s mother and Mother Theresa resurrected and it wouldn’t change the fact that this album isn’t coming from Adam.

It is our job as Adam Lambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans to support the new album he is making now with RCA and 19 because thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what he has asked us to do and we should be a united front at all times.

#hifiglamisflimflam

kradamantix55
Jun 21st, 2009 at 6:54 am

It is our job as Adam Lambert’s fans to support the new album he is making now with RCA and 19 because that’s what he has asked us to do and we should be a united front at all times.

I agree kradamantix55, 110%! We here are obviously totally invested in Adam as our artist of choice and should remain a strong group of representation for him. First and foremost, we should abide by his wishes. Well said.

If Adam touches it, it turns to gold. I love the song “Want” and I want to purchase it, because it’s Adam singing it. A lot of people are capitalizing on Adam. Including Ebay, Jewelry companies, t-shirt companies, make-up companies, magazines, and many more. We, the fans, realize that this is not his new album. So, what’s the harm?

I love the song, and what Adam touches turns to gold. Everybody is capitalizing on Adam, so what is the harm? We, the fans, know that it’s not his debut album.

A consideration of songs that, by virtue of some indefinable quality, are in a class of one and should never be covered (unless ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s by Adam Lambert). Songs like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“In the Summertime,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Sultans of Swing,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Bette Davis Eyes,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Baker Street.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  No, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d just embarrass myself.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

I would kill to hear Adam cover “Baker Street”. I Flove that song. Another song I would love to hear him cover is “Love Hurts” by Incubus, Not a cover of the Nazareth track.

Yes, but it is also very relevant to mention that session/studio/backup singers are also often considered the best in the business. Remember, Melinda Doolittle was a backup singer and she was fantastic! For whatever reason à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not their aspiration, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not in the cards, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re doing until the big break comes à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ studio and session artists are out there and theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re AMAZING.

Absolutely! Lots of people pick up little jobs as session singers here and there, but people who do it with a fair amount of success have to be extremely skilled and talented, because they literally *do* have to sing “anything — even the phone book,” and to get repeated jobs you have to do this, and make the stuff sound good… because that’s why they hired you in the first place. You can’t really specialize in any one kind of thing — you sing everything from unproduced musical comedies to kids’ songs to rock. Tougher yet — these are one-off performances with very little practice. You have to pick up tons of stuff, be totally ready to go with it, make mediocre stuff sound good, etc. ….

For example, it kind of drives me nuts that people say so many rotten things about the singers on Dancing With the Stars. Those people are *good*! They have to go in their every week and, with no advance notice and very little practice, sing live on national television impersonating everybody from George Michael to Ella Fitzgerald, get absolutely no acclaim for it — and a lot of snarky crap from audience members who have no idea how tough it is — and then turn around the next week and do exactly the same thing.

To be a session singer who gets repeated work, you have to be a musician and singer par excellence.

Just wanted to add something about the butterflyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Adam said somewhere and I really wish I remember where but he said it wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t his idea for the butterfly it was the artists ideaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.anyone remember where he said this?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the photog had the “liberation of Adam L” idea in the back of his mind when he picked the butterfly. But really, I think it probably just felt right to him. When I first saw it, I was kind of amazed because, from just a few weeks into the season, as I’d been trying to describe Adam to nonwatchers, my description had morphed into calling him AI’s “black and silver butterfly.” Butterflies compared to most other stuff in the animal kingdom just seemed to encapsulate Adam compared to other contestants, to me.

I thought I read the quote to say heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d not told 19 that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s planning an album release of the songs, not that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d had no talks at all with 19.

He said he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t notify 19 of his intent to release a debut album of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s songs.

Yeah, that’s how I remembered it and exactly what I said in the quote above.

If he had been having any kind of talks with 19 about this issue they would have known what his intent was and what he was up to. I suppose he could have talked about the weather with them.

LOL Well, I agree with you. In addition to weather though, they could have talked about the songs Heckler owned and whether 19 and Adam were interested in them. Trying to negotiate a buyout is not beyond the realm of reason in these circumstances. Negotiations can be fluid and then they can stall, or someone takes a hard line, then there’s a tactical response designed to raise the stakes or move talks beyond impasse. IMO, it’s rare to “announce” your intended move to the other guy and give him (in this case, 19) a chance to derail you, which is why imo Heckler said what he did.

Assuming all that we’ve heard is true, the strongest position Heckler had before Thursday/Friday was to offer the songs and silence to 19/RCA. Regardless of how much (or little) talk ensued, apparently Heckler became dissatisfied or convinced he’d make no progress without taking his next step — announcing an imminent release, one timed to beat RCA’s. It’s dicey, lost leverage for him because “silence” is no longer on the table, and could both ultimately be a PR nightmare and overall loss for him, particularly when dealing with the big guy 19. But, it’s a strategy step in my eyes, and one that 19 imo knew was a distinct possibility under the circumstances. Whether they misjudged and believed Heckler wouldn’t do it, or whether they assumed it was inevitable and believed they had a viable approach to respond is an open question.

Another thing that lends to 19/RCA being aware of the danger that Heckler could potentially threaten a release is the claim that Adam, as late as May, was reminded of the songs’ existence and informed that Heckler had produced and was focusing on them as well.

Anyway, I think this came as something of a surprise. They would have been more prepared if they had known.

Maybe, but since we’ve not seen or heard anything from 19/RCA, it’s hard to judge their relative preparedness. Adam’s statement seems pretty prepared, well thought out, and nearly immediate to me. Nothing I’ve seen shows a lack of preparation. RCA’s next step may be to ignore Heckler altogether right now, wait for the release, and then give a statement alla Christina disavowing the recordings and undermining Heckler’s profiteering. That would work for me, to be honest. LOL Then again, we may see a lawsuit filed next week. Who knows.

But anyway, just to explain my thinking, and that it goes a little farther than the weather.

This was from Alisan Porter’s twitter on Friday:

Writing for @therealglambert the songs are coming out SO SICK!!!!!! Just wait tweeters!!!
9:10 AM Jun 19th from TwitterBerry

Another from Alisan last Wednesday:

Off to the studio to finish a sick track for @therealglambert!!! Hollaaaaaaaa
6:01 PM Jun 17th from TwitterBerry

Another thing that lends to 19/RCA being aware of the danger that Heckler could potentially threaten a release is the claim that Adam, as late as May, was reminded of the songsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ existence and informed that Heckler had produced and was focusing on them as well

At this point it is a “claim” we have no idea if it is true. More info will probably come out Monday

As for their claim that Adam co-wrote some of the songs, that is suspect as well. People can claim anything, remember the infamous Weapons of Mass Destruction?

I agree with kradamantix55. I won’t be purchasing anything from this HI FI company. I don’t believe there is much truth to their statements. Adam already released a statement, these people are simply looking to profit off of Adam. If they were so excited about these songs they would have put this album out years ago and tried to help launch Adam’s career. What a big bag of BS.

Assuming RCA doesn’t find a way to stop these guys, the easiest way for Hi-Fi to capitalize on this album is to distribute it via their own website, either by download or selling hard copies. I am not sure how places like iTunes and regular CD outlets would feel about carrying this album if they think it would piss RCA off, they just don’t carry anything these days anyway, lots of competition for shelf space, but if then again this is a business and if people think they can turn a buck who knows. If you assume enough Adam fans will be anxious enough to jump the gun.

It would be unfortunate if this forced RCA and Adam to release a single or an album almost too soon – as it is the Idol Top 2 have no choice but to rush these album out when you consider that these guys will be almost fully booked for 2 months over the tour and will only be able to squeeze in a little studio time during that time. Most artists are neither touring nor doing a large amount of press when they work on their albums and many artists take a year as a rule- though then again sometimes longer isn’t better, Elvis Costello did his latest album in 3 days but Elvis is an niche artist who doesn’t care that much about being No. 1 etc though Rolling Stone loved it. However sometimes fast is good too if you are trying to capture a spontaneous live feel. However that’s not the musical direction of Mr. Lambert in any event. He seems to want to do music that is more complicated to put together.

Sorry guys but Associated Press has picked up the story and well they are the largest new agency/organization in North America. As in they provide loads of content for the majority of newspapers in North America. And the article I saw doesn’t mention Adam’s side of the story.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ghUIXxEvFDqm_ZlsTiEOcRZ9x9TwD98U1G4O0

Sounds like someone sent out more than a few MP3s to bloggers but sent out press releases from the Hi Fi position of things to major press outlets or once again I have lament that fact than even AP is just copying news from the internet. Say it isn’t so.

Can’t wait for the next cannon shot back from Team RCA/Adam.

The google article referenced in lavender’s post is not available. What is the story called?

On a lighter note, you know you are famous when you get spoofed:

Adam Lambert To Move In With Kate of “Jon and Kate Plus 8″
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i54906

Associated Press article is
“Album with Adam Lambert tunes expected this summer” by Derrik J Lang

If you Google News Adam Lambert it will be one of the articles that pops up.

lavender1960
Jun 21st, 2009 at 9:50 am
Sorry guys but Associated Press has picked up the story and well they are the largest new agency/organization in North America.

I think we should all relax. After all there are people who are paid quite handsomely to worry about Adam’s future success. I, for one, prefer to leave the worrying to them.

At this point it is a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“claimà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  we have no idea if it is true. More info will probably come out Monday

Oh yeah, totally. I believe I started my speculative diatribe by “assuming” what we’ve been told so far is true. Just putting puzzle pieces together in some arguably logical form. But, yeah, it’s all just speculation at this point. Completely.

Wi Fi sent out mp3′s. People are going to know about it. Perez or his contacts aren’t the only ones to know about it. Best for all the info to get out. Perez actually has been doing Adam a lot of favors recently.

Look, Adam knows about all the recordings he’s done. He’s talked about them with 19. They know what to look out for. Everyone has old recordings and nobody judged them by it. Is anyone going to judge Kris, or Matt, or Cook by their previous recordings which were and are all over the place? No! This will just be a blimp. Thank goodness for people like Perez and E! who get the word out that this is just another old demo work like so many of the Idols before him.

RCA/19 could create several counterbalancing Adam brand products this summer if HiFi/Wilshire proceed with a web release of junky demos. They don’t have to be ready with the new single. Though it seems like they’re attempting to have that option available.

But the tour is going to produce many Adam moments. Unauthorized, free web videos of Adam’s Bowie medley would be more “Real Adam” than the demos. And create much excitement for the upcoming real album. And if they can get clearance, they could also release iTunes paid downloads on that, compiled from a few nights recording. Like on the nights when they’re doing Kris’ season pass.

They could also add an Adam “mini pass”.

Couple of charity or TV performances could also be wedged in the schedule.

If the demo fake album is released, RCA will treat us to new Adam material.

Sunn, you said it best. I have been worried about this too much and should just trust that things work out the way they should. It’s tough being an Adam fan with all the shots taken against him, but all the good stuff definitely outweighs the bad (by an enormous margin). So I’m just going to try and sit back and love the roller coaster ride listening to some great music while I am doing it.

Perez latest comment after posting Hifi’s press release:

“Sounds to us like this guy just wants to ca$h in on the Glambert’s recent rise to fame! Smart!”

My comment: Wonder why Perez now refers to Adam as “Glambert”?

This was from Alisan Porterà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s twitter on Friday:

Writing for @therealglambert the songs are coming out SO SICK!!!!!! Just wait tweeters!!!
9:10 AM Jun 19th from TwitterBerry

Another from Alisan last Wednesday:

Off to the studio to finish a sick track for @therealglambert!!! Hollaaaaaaaa
6:01 PM Jun 17th from TwitterBerry

I love how Adam is including this friends for his debut album. He is very loyal and generous.

Want is on youtube (or course it is!) and you can download it “illegally.” I NEVER do that, except this time. b/c I actually like the track and want every bloody piece of music Adam has ever recorded. I just don’t want Hi-Fi to benefit from these tracks, not one cent.

And as always, Sunn is the voice of reason. Adam’s handlers will find a way to deal with all of this, Adam will continue to be super popular and produce amazing music, and life will go on.

Want is sort of like the anti-No Boundaries, which had too many lyrics. Want doesn’t have many.

SUNN! if adam covered anything by incubus i would DIE. they have been my favorite band for almost 10 years and i think he could do any of their songs. when people were talking about him doing a mix of rock and ballads i immediately thought of them. they have done that forever.

…must calm down.

Thank goodness for people like Perez and E! who get the word out that this is just another old demo work like so many of the Idols before him.

I think Perez created a big problem by originally putting this out as THE new single from Adam. Everyone picked up on that and it caused massive confusion. Yes, he corrected it eventually but if he had paused for a half a second and done a little homework a lot of the craziness that started about this could have been avoided.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Sounds to us like this guy just wants to ca$h in on the Glambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s recent rise to fame! Smart!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Naturally Perez thinks it’s smart… since he’s been doing the same damn thing. LOL

lavender1960 Jun 21st, 2009 at 9:46 am

It would be unfortunate if this forced RCA and Adam to release a single or an album almost too soon – as it is the Idol Top 2 have no choice but to rush these album out when you consider that these guys will be almost fully booked for 2 months over the tour and will only be able to squeeze in a little studio time during that time. Most artists are neither touring nor doing a large amount of press when they work on their albums and many artists take a year as a rule. However thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not the musical direction of Mr. Lambert in any event. He seems to want to do music that is more complicated to put together.

Chris Daughtry wrote songs for his album while on tour and started recording while on tour. The album was recorded August 2006-September 2006 in Atlanta, GA. The album was released on November 21, 2006.

Adam only has to lay down the vocals. The music part will be worked on by non-touring musicians and recording studios are open 24/7 with people working in shifts at times to lay down music. Then another person does the mixing once the vocals are laid down. It isn’t more or less complicated for Adam’s music than for any other artist.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Sounds to us like this guy just wants to ca$h in on the Glambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s recent rise to fame! Smart!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Sounds like a guy after Perez’s fame-whoring opportunistic heart. :dry_tb: