Simon Cowell Ready To Announce Season 9 Will Be His Last, According to His Brother

Simon Cowell’s brother Tony is reporting, on his weekly podcast Fame Game,   that Season 9 of Idol WILL be Simon’s last.

In fact, brother Tony reports that Simon is drawing up a press statement as we speak, that will confirm Simon’s exit from American Idol in 2010 to concentrate on bringing his UK hit X Factor to America in 2011.

Listen to Tony’s radio podcast below. The Idol stuff begins at about the 3 minute mark.

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Can American Idol survive the loss of Simon Cowell? Will X Factor coming to America mean the end of American Idol?

thank you courtney

  • frogcooke

    it was only a matter of time.. lol

  • IdolThoughts

    Sads. Hopefully I will fall in love with Ellen and all will be well. If not…major sads!

  • Tony

    Hmmmmm…..

  • will

    Can American Idol survive the loss of Simon Cowell?

    Yes.

    Will X Factor coming to America mean the end of American Idol?

    No.

  • auntieaimee

    Good. It’s time. I think viewers are ready to imagine Idol without Simon. Especially after this last season; he seemed so bored and uninterested in being there.

  • BootStar

    As if everybody hasn’t been predicting this for the past year. Well, it’s good to finally get confirmation!

  • jack5791

    This is very sad for me. Idol will not survive without Simon, but it had the opportunity to become fresh again with Paula being gone and Ellen taking her spot. Should Simon decide to stay on, I think Idol had a good 2 more seasons at least. It’s something everyone looks forward to come every January.

  • tinawina

    I kinda want to see him go. He’s been bored for years. Plus his judging was wwwaaayyyyy off this year, for me. worse than usual.

    I have no idea what it means for the show.

    I hate the X-Factor, and I hope – if he makes the US version as crass as the UK version – it fails miserably.

  • cheesehead

    could this be a PR stunt ?

  • girlygirl

    Simon has been bored with AI for at least the last two seasons. I think if AI wants to survive after next season they should simply bring in all new blood as the judges (are Randy or Kara signed beyond this upcoming season? If not, replace them too). Younger judges who have a track record of working with artists that are relevant in the current music industry would be nice. Across the board of genres, not just AC or Top 40.

    This would be the perfect opportunity to re-invent AI, make it more interesting to a wider audience. Right now, the biggest demographic for the show is middle-aged women. Which is fine, but it would help the future of the show and of the musicians coming off the show, to appeal to the musicians’ actual peer group (i.e. late teens-late 20′s). Maybe even allow the contestants to perform their own original music (or at least give the 2 finalists the option of writing and performing their own “coronation” song)

    If they do this, AI could survive without Simon. I’m not sure if American audiences will care about X-Factor anyway. I’ve never even watched the show.

  • Tony

    Would Simon be replaced or would they just move on without him?

  • Gigi3

    I think I will actually PREFER Idol without Simon. He was awful last season.

  • cookcricket

    I’m not sure what’s going to happen…I’m not surprised though! I really don’t think this is a PR stunt.

    I also think that Simon Cowell is soooo 1st decade of the 2000s-ish…? Idol too?

  • CathyMK

    I’m thrilled Simon is leaving. He was a big part of the reason that I didn’t watch Idol before season 7. He’s a mean-spirited jerk to the contestants, and his taste in music is out of date. I still remember him telling Matt that the Fray song Matt had just sung wasn’t a commercial song, while it was sitting at the top of the HAC chart at that very moment. Duh.

    I think they’re doing the right thing by gradually replacing the original judges. Now we just need a time frame for getting rid of Randy. Also, one problem that long running shows have is that they get more and more expensive to produce, as the cast and crew get big pay raises year after year. Bringing on new, hopefully cheaper, judges could actually allow the show to continue longer. Then we can work on replacing Bruce Gowers.

  • terps

    If they both stay, it will be a fast death for both shows… it’s one or the other. how much you want to bet Paula will be Simons first judge on X-factor

  • http://huckleberryfriend.wordpress.com/ huckleberryfriend

    Drop him now. The show needs to be about the kids, not Simon.

  • BootStar

    could this be a PR stunt ?

    Simon’s on the record as saying that he’ll jump ship from Idol if it ever falls from its no. 1 perch, which is, after all, just a matter of time (and folks predict could happen as early as this season if it finds itself up against one of the NCIS clones).

    Simon Cowell not interested in staying on ‘American Idol’ if not No. 1

  • stellamarris

    I am amused that people are even talking about it as if it’s a big deal. people– x factor and american idol are practically the same thing. why are you sad/happy?
    besides, i don’t know how american idol will go after adamlambert– whether there will be new and more daring singers like him or whether no one will want to watch the show. personally, i am done with ai after lambert. next!

  • efm

    Good Riddance!

  • Kirsten

    Simon has a brother? That kind of surprises me.

    Well, Simon, at least try to make it a good season. Please go out on a high note. It seems as though you haven’t given a rat’s a$$ about Idol for the past couple of seasons, but do it for yourself. If we think you are boring, we might not want to watch your new show. So, don’t phone it in this year. K? Thanks.

  • auntieaimee

    besides, i don’t know how american idol will go after adamlambert’“

    It will. Trust me.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    i don’t know how american idol will go after adamlambert’“ whether there will be new and more daring singers like him or whether no one will want to watch the show. personally, i am done with ai after lambert. next!

    Plug in what ever Idol you like into the above statement. I hear this sort of thing every frigging year.

    But what I’ve found, is that the show always, ALWAYS moves on, beyond the greatest! Idol! Contestant! Evah! AI is bigger than any one contestant.

    It’s bigger than any of its judges too. If it begins to falter, it’ll be the American public tiring of the show. One contestant, judge, host, whatever isn’t gonna save it.

  • jms

    auntieaimee
    12/21/2009 at 4:56 pm

    Good. It’s time. I think viewers are ready to imagine Idol without Simon. Especially after this last season; he seemed so bored and uninterested in being there.

    exactly. While Simon had some smart things to say, he was also so obviously bored and inattentive that I wanted to slap him. It’s time for him to go.

    And no, neither Simon leaving nor an American X-Factor will mean the end of idol. If Ellen works out well (crossing fingers here) then they just need to replace Randy and/or Kara with someone that has a smart quick wit along with a great ear and sense for the music business.

    Now, if Simon manages give us an X-Factor which fixes all the things we find frustrating about AI then I think AI would die off within a few years. But if he uses the Brit model of the show here in the US, it’d be lucky to have a second season.

  • justantonio

    frankly I couldn’t stand Simon Cowell this past season..he head was so big it was in the clouds…I’m sure American Idol will be able to fill his spot with no issues.

  • k4dc

    If Simon leaves, who would replace him? Would they stick with the “must have a mean judge” formula? Who has enough clout that the audience and contestants will hold their collective breath until he or she gives their nod of approval after a contestant’s performance?

  • jpfan

    Good bye Idol, it’s been fun. No way this show survives without Simon.

  • movin2thabeet

    Hmmm. The 9th season is a perfect time to end a show. 9 is the number of endings. But, it could also mean the end of the show as we know it. I’m more than ready for Idol to either end or transform into something else, something more relevant.

    I have no idea if X Factor will work in this country or not. I suppose it depends on how they adapt it to work with American audiences.

    All I can say is, “Happy Trails, Simon Cowell, wherever it might lead you”.

  • abbysee

    I don’t know whether idol will survive if Simon leaves. Yes, he’s disinterested and his musical knowledge isn’t exactly cutting edge, but he is still one of the reasons folk tune in. I was excited at the beginning of last season. This year not so much, so I am not sure that it will survive period. I think Paula jumped ship/was pushed out at the right time. My only question is, how in the hell can they sabotage a show that is still the biggest show on tv for something that might not make it? There are no guarantees. It seems more like some serious egotism to me. Anyway, it might be a good thing, getting part of my winter and spring back might actually be a good thing.

  • melirose89

    I think the show may survive just one more season after Cowell leaves and then that’s it tbh. I think it’s for the best. i stopped watching it as religiously as i did after season 5 ended, then for the other few seasons i would just tune in for certain contestants like David Cook season 7 and Adam last season. Season 9 is just gonna be the Ellen Degeneres, Simon Cowell show. It will be wayyy too distracting and the news about Idol will mainly focus on how Ellen is doing. Mark my words.

    This season it was way too much talking and not enough singing and it grated on my nerves. Ellen was terrible on So you think you can dance. I love Ellen but she was just really bad. I have a terrible feeling shes going to ramble on about nothing on Idol this season.

    I doubt fox is going to want 2 very similar shows airing at the same time. I remember them airing a couple of episodes of the X factor here once, i think they were testing it out or something a few years ago. I’ve tuned in to some of the episodes of the X factor this season online and i REALLY dont like it that much. I think it will do well though.

  • Pam

    I think AI is done without Simon and this season will probably be the last. I don’t think the show can make it without him.

  • soccerboi

    I think Simon would love nothing more than for them to end Idol. Im sure his ego which I didnt think could get any larger is getting bigger just by all these comments of Idol’s premature demise after his departure.
    Idol is about the contestants not the judges. It could survive, it would be different for sure but it might even be better without Simon. I for one have grown tired of his antics and rude comments…it’s time to move on.

  • sylvanaire

    I agree that Idol could survive without Simon’s smug, bored self. They would have to get someone witty and concise to replace him, but it could be done. I’m tired of his shenanigans, honestly. I really only watch for the kids. Judges are just window dressing, imo.

    As far as X-Factor, I won’t be watching it, if it’s anything like the British Show. It takes the cheese and manipulations of Idol, and times it by 100. Blech!

    As far as Idol goes, I may not be watching it this year anyway, if Time-Warner doesn’t make the deal with Fox. I’ll be depending on you mj, for my weekly fix!

  • gangreen29

    I think people who think Idol can’t survive without Simon are vastly overrating him. He was shocking at first with his insults, but now he repeats the same stupid witticisms, and really doesn’t seem to care anymore. There is certainly someone witty and cutting enough out there to fill his shoes.

  • cookcricket

    Pam
    12/21/2009 at 6:30 pm

    I think AI is done without Simon and this season will probably be the last. I don’t think the show can make it without him.

    I don’t think AI will end after this season if the ratings hold. They are bound to want to go at least one more season after this to find out how they do w/o him.

  • unique28v

    first Paula and now Simon.

    Didn’t Ellen sign a 5 year contract with Idol?

  • Sassycatz

    edit

    I want less plants, so I’ll be happy if they turn back to contestants with talent but less connections. The commercials for AI9 seem to be suggesting this.

    exactly. While Simon had some smart things to say, he was also so obviously bored and inattentive that I wanted to slap him. It’s time for him to go.

    Yeah, if he goes, then he can take all the time he wants to draw mustaches on Paula Abdul’s face while the contestants patiently wait for their critiques … on the X-Factor. Except you won’t really need to wait since Simon will cheerlead the contestants he is mentoring and nitpick those of the other judges. The judging is pretty much kabuki theater on the X-Factor.

    My only question is, how in the hell can they sabotage a show that is still the biggest show on tv for something that might not make it? There are no guarantees. It seems more like some serious egotism to me.

    I’m surprised Simon is willing to leave such a popular show without any idea whether the X-Factor will succeed in the U.S. Is he getting some kind of deal from FOX that no matter what the ratings, they’ll renew it? Apparently, it’s all about control and ownership. He is an employee on AI and he would be in complete control on this new show … god help us. That fact doesn’t bode well as Simon tends to want everything focused on him, want his contestants to do things his way, and will manipulate things far more than it has ever been done on AI.

  • maturin

    My only question is, how in the hell can they sabotage a show that is still the biggest show on tv for something that might not make it? There are no guarantees. It seems more like some serious egotism to me.

    I think part of the issue is that both Simon Cowell and Simon Fuller have made more multimillions then they know what to do with.

    Cowell can afford to just be done with Idol, even if it’s still make Fuller and Co a ton of money, and instead decamp to “his” own talent show, even if it ends up a far smaller franchise in the US.

    Over the years, Cowell’s made a ton, but Fuller’s always made more and had more authority and managed bigger stars. Cowell manages Il Divo and one hit wonders like Leona Lewis. Fuller manages Carrie and Kelly and David Beckham. Susan Boyle *still* doesn’t make Cowell cool or good at matching contemporary radio, but taking an enormous slice of her 60 million (after years of making millions on Idol) means he can do whatever he likes.

  • Kitwana

    Simon Cowell is totally replaceable. Especially Simon Cowell of the last few years. I think that someone like Gene Simmons would be perfect. He is what Simon Cowell was near the start of the show — perhaps nastier. He has had success outside of Idol. He is known around the world. He is not afraid to speak his mind. The perfect replacement. Let’s start the Gene Simmons era.

  • unique28v

    I’m surprised Simon is willing to leave such a popular show without any idea whether the X-Factor will succeed in the U.S.

    I’m not. I’d be surprised if Simon didn’t leave to pursue X-factor. There is one characteristic that all successful people have, and that is they aren’t afraid to take risks. They never become complacent. American Idol was a risk and it payed off BIG TIME.

    edit

    I think AI is done without Simon and this season will probably be the last. I don’t think the show can make it without him.

    I don’t think AI will end after this season if the ratings hold. They are bound to want to go at least one more season after this to find out how they do w/o him.

    I think the ratings wills till be high but they will continue to drop. If you notice, the “buzz” around Idol isn’t nearly as big outside of the “Idol Bubble” as it used to be. There are just too many reality shows. If Simon really does leave after Season 9, I would expect Idol to go on at least 1 more year just to see how they do.

  • Sassycatz

    edit: we’re totally not going there

    The one thing that I wonder about is the promotional role of American Idol. One thing you can say about the show, they bring back former contestants — even those not selling gangbusters — and give them a chance to promote themselves. So, that will go by the wayside if Idol goes. Not sure if X-Factor would have them on as reliably or if a show with an Idol connection like SYTYCD can take up some of the slack.

  • will

    I think that someone like Gene Simmons would be perfect…Let’s start the Gene Simmons era.

    I like your sarcasm.

  • will

    edit

    IMO, they should disqualify anyone who has had a major-label recording contract.

  • ross

    besides, i don’t know how american idol will go after adamlambert’“ whether there will be new and more daring singers like him or whether no one will want to watch the show.

    I’m going to assume all the people who didn’t vote for him (like me) will still want to watch. He didn’t win, so that should add up to a lot of people who still will be watching. This sounds sort of sarcastic but I’m serious. Not eveyone was as into Adam as you think.

  • revcat

    unique28v
    first Paula and now Simon.

    Didn’t Ellen sign a 5 year contract with Idol?

    ^^^^^ I dunno but am pretty sure Ryan signed a 3 year contract.

    I’m of the exact opposite opinion. I want less plants, so I’ll be happy if they turn back to contestants with talent but less connections. The commercials for AI9 seem to be suggesting this.

    edit

    I think this season is gonna suck but then again I might be pleasantly surprised. But I don’t think they are going to screen out people with experience (this would have eliminated the majority of past finalists)… There are no rules against it.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Please don’t rehash sh*t from past seasons in this thread. I’m going back to delete all the fanwarring posts. We have enough dead-horse beating and fan warring elsewhere on the blog. This is a S9 post…please keep your discussion in the present tense.

  • Winks8

    Deleted, because I saw MJs reminder that this is a season 9 thread. :-)

  • revcat

    Let Simon go wherever his fancy takes him, I won’t miss him and won’t be real eager to watch him on another talent show. Meanwhile, let Idol continue. Rage Against the Machine can be the judges. That would just about guarantee no more sappy coronation songs! :)

  • shell29

    Good bye Idol, it’s been fun. No way this show survives without Simon.

    I agree. It has been a nice run, but without Simon Idol is done.

  • smartcookie

    I think a lot will depend on this year. If Ellen revitalizes the show and Simon is having fun again and they get some fizzy pop contestants that Simon loves and they win and make him some money, maybe he will stay another year after that.

    If Ellen takes over and everybody is talking about her and Simon is supposed to fade into the woodwork, I think he’ll decamp and try to beat their butts into the ground.

    If it’s all blah and boring and the ratings take another hit, I think Simon will be out of there.

    But who knows? He could take more money and get Pauler back and agree to stay. He could take a slice of the tour and record money from all the contestants and get to choose all their songs and agree to stay.

    I’ve always thought they were in a five-year cycle, with S1 = S6 (female winner, male runner-up, female 3rd place), S2 = S7 (male vs. male in hotly contested finale, black girl in 3rd place), and S3 = S8 (groups and wildcards, #1 and #2 come from the same group, one gender totally dominates, with an unequal representation in the final 12). That would mean we’re up to another S4, maybe with a country girl singer winning. Or maybe just a girl-boy-girl finish.

    I know I’m making strained comparisons here, but I’ve thought this for awhile. I guess I thought they would go to 10 seasons to finish out the cycle!

  • luval

    Can someone explain to me the difference between Idol and X-Factor?

  • Jurnee

    This season it was way too much talking and not enough singing and it grated on my nerves. Ellen was terrible on So you think you can dance. I love Ellen but she was just really bad. I have a terrible feeling shes going to ramble on about nothing on Idol this season.

    For me, that has become THE biggest problem of the show. The judges got 4 times the air time of the singers and they filled that time with clichd nonsense. Instead of intelligent critiques about what was wrong or right with the singing techniques, phrasing, or exactly WHY a song wasn’t right for the singer we got the same old “I wasn’t feeling it dawg” or “that was just OK for me.” If the show continues to be filled with those kinds of lame insights I won’t be watching it any longer.

    Also, I’m one of those fans who doesn’t need all the contestants to come straight from the farm or the church choir. If someone has already been working toward their dream of becoming a performer but hasn’t made it yet, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to showcase what they’ve got to the JoeQPublic and let us decide.
    In SYTYCD we agree that it would be patently ridiculous to have people with no dance experience on, so why should it be different for singing? Do you guys really think a singer can be great with zero training and no knowledge of musical styles, genres etc?

    Anyway, I think the reason Simon is leaving is because he hopes AI will fail and leave X Factor as the big talent
    show in America. That guy is so greedy and power hungry, that’s it’s one big reason for me NOT to watch X Factor.

  • Sassycatz

    Anyway, I think the reason Simon is leaving is because he hopes AI will fail and leave X Factor as the big talent
    show in America. That guy is so greedy and power hungry, that’s it’s one big reason for me NOT to watch X Factor.

    Simon should take a hint by how poorly all the judges and producer machinations went over with the American public last season and realize that even more of that under a different name isn’t promising.

    Also, I’m one of those fans who doesn’t need all the contestants to come straight from the farm or the church choir. If someone has already been working toward their dream of becoming a performer but hasn’t made it yet, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to showcase what they’ve got to the JoeQPublic and let us decide. In SYTYCD we agree that it would be patently ridiculous to have people with no dance experience on, so why should it be different for singing? Do you guys really think a singer can be great with zero training and no knowledge of musical styles, genres etc?

    Have you seen the S9 promos? They’re all about talented amateurs who may very well have been playing or singing in their own little worlds but who are basically amateurs. We’ll see if this has any connection to the actual show this season.

  • skat-girl@allycatlover

    I like x factor(thought this was the worst year) so I like that it’s coming to the usa and I only watched AI for Allison and the judges(first year watching) so I won’t be to torn up if this is it last year.

    Also, I’m one of those fans who doesn’t need all the contestants to come straight from the farm or the church choir. If someone has already been working toward their dream of becoming a performer but hasn’t made it yet, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to showcase what they’ve got to the JoeQPublic and let us decide.
    In SYTYCD we agree that it would be patently ridiculous to have people with no dance experience on, so why should it be different for singing? Do you guys really think a singer can be great with zero training and no knowledge of musical styles, genres etc?

    IMO there’s a difference between someone who has been working in the industry for years and someone who’s had training. ex: I don’t care if a dancer had lessons but if they’ve gone on a tour with someone like, Beyonce then I would consider them someone who should’t be on SYTYCD. same with AI, even as much as I love Allison, I don’t think she should have been on AI. I mean I’m still gonna buy her music but I didn’t vote for her because IMO she(like Adam,Anoop and Jasmine) was to experienced and it wasn’t what the show was about and it wasn’t far to singers like Kris,Danny and Lil rounds. JMO though and I could be sounding like a dumb fuck

  • Niall

    AI will only fail if Fox decides to let the show die in favor of X Factor. The issue isn’t whether Simon is replaceable, the issue is whether or not they want to replace him. If they do, and they perhaps take the show back to basics by focusing on the contestants, AI could continue successfully for several more years.

    personally I can’t see myself watching X Factor. It’s like the WWE of reality singing shows.

  • Sassycatz

    I like x factor(thought this was the worst year) so I like that it’s coming to the usa and I only watched AI for Allison and the judges(first year watching) so I won’t be to torn up if this is it last year.

    It’s really hard to judge AI after watching only one year and especially last year when they actually began to incorporate a bit of the feel of X-Factor into AI with all the emphasis on the “true stars”: the judges.

  • tinawina

    Can someone explain to me the difference between Idol and X-Factor?

    Its like Idol with 3 times the manipulation. LOL. The contestants don’t just stand there and sing, they do these big cheesy stage numbers. And the judges coach people. I’ve just never liked it, it is ridiculously fake to me, and openly manipulative – even more than Idol. But that’s just me.

  • lizland

    After Season 8, I think this would be no big loss. I’m ready for him to leave.

    I didn’t think Ellen was so bad on SYTYCD. I think some smart levity (vs the lame banter or antics between the judges that we saw this year) could help the show.

  • oceana

    jurney, great post. Except I withold judgment about Ellen until I see for myself how it goes. She couldn’t be worse than the judges were last year.

    Its like Idol with 3 times the manipulation. LOL.

    Ugh, sounds awful. I’m not going to watch it. Hold me to that, will ya?

    I think Idol will surivive without Simon, if the producers give it a chance and pick someone good to replace him.

  • butte009

    My prediction…. Simon leaves after S9. FOX tries to go on without him for S10 and it’s the last season.

    Will I watch American XFactor? Definitely yes. :)

  • Sassycatz

    I may or may not watch X-Factor, but I must admit I am not looking forward to Simon introducing that mess here after watching videos of the show the last few seasons on the net. And, I really resent him trying to push out American Idol for his own pet project which is literally its inferior. It makes me dislike him even more than I have in the past which is really saying something.

  • smartcookie

    Can someone explain to me the difference between Idol and X-Factor?

    To me, the biggest difference is that the judges on X Factor head up “teams.” This last season, Simon got to pick the three contestants in the over-25 category, while Cheryl Cole got the boys under 25, Danni Minogue got the girls under 25, and Louis Walsh had groups. Then they supposedly coach their contestants and choose songs for them and talk them up while on the panel, at the same time somewhat sandbagging the other people’s contestants.

    So… The judges have a vested interest in who wins, because they each want someone from their team. Cheryl Cole has won twice in a row, first with a girl under 25 and this time with a boy under 25. Some think Simon is pissed because he really, really liked his Over 25s this year. But he’s also a lot nicer on X Factor. And he did try to take some credit for Joe, the winner, like he always does here.

    I think it’s a really cheesy show, not so much because of the judges and their heavy hands all over it, but because of the usual British weird dancers who back up the singers. No offense to the Brits, but I haven’t seen that kind of limp spazzy background dancers since the Golddiggers of 1969. Or maybe the Lawrence Welk Show. They had those same dancers on “Any Dream Will Do,” where they picked a new guy to play Joseph (of Technicolor Dreamcoat fame) in the West End. I kept replaying the numbers on youtube because I thought the dancers were hilarious. I think the same thing about the ones on X Factor.

  • Sassycatz

    I’m so worried that people won’t like Ellen because she is gay’ ¦. They might say crude stuff like she eats bush and thinks guys are smelly’ ¦.

    What? That’s the first time I’ve ever seen such a comment. I like Ellen but my feelings about her are not about her sexuality. There are gay people I have no time for and it’s all about their personalities and nothing else.

    Back to X-Factor vs. Idol, be prepared to see Simon and one of his ex-girlfriends sitting on lounge chairs in front of a pool, holding court and making each contestant in their group come out and sing for them. It’s cringe worthy and seems like a parody of some bad 1960′s movie. They will decide which of their group moves on to the show and then he will turn over the mentoring to some third party because he will have no time for it. But, no mistake, he will take full credit if any of them actually succeed.

    Seriously this is THAT bad.

  • bananafish

    The X-Factor is a far inferior show because of the judges partiality to the acts they mentor. On Idol Simon gave a standing ovation maybe twice in 8 years. On X-factor he stood up applauding practically every time Danyl, Jamie & Olly performed. He never said one critical word to any of his three acts the entire season but instead lauded them as outstanding and excellent every week. Three years ago he weekly dissed Taylor Hicks performances as coming off as a drunken uncle at a wedding, yet on X-Factor he applauded and encouraged Olly’s hokey dancing. On AI he at least has credibilty for being “brutally honest” but on X-Factor he comes across a big sham. And ditto for the other 3 judges also.

  • Mtlfan

    Can someone explain to me the difference between Idol and X-Factor?

    the 2 worst things in my opinion about x factor
    1) this one by a mile ..the judges choose the contestant’s songs … big yike… it makes the whole even more karaoke by making them sing songs for which they don’t necessarely connect to. I dislike a lot this formula
    2) the whole thing turns into a competition between the judges to win, each favoring their own contestant and being less objective.

  • jammasta

    I actually kinda like the judges choosing the contestants’ songs. I don’t know if I prefer that over the contestants choosing, because there are some advantages and disadvantages of both. A few disadvantages I can think of are that it gets more about the judges (big negative) and sometimes they choose terrible songs (Cheryl Cole chose “I Kissed A Girl” for Lloyd. WTF). And I dunno, but Simon seemed to be pretty supportive of Joe last season. I didn’t watch too many of Danyl, Olly, or Jamie to know if he had a “huge moneycrush” on them over Joe >_>.

    I was thinking that if they DO bring X Factor here, there’s more collusion between the judge and the contestant and they get to actually discuss song ideas. That might bring some stupid drama though.

    I like X Factor.

    I think Ellen will be an interesting judge. I like the idea of having someone representing the “normal people” who can probably hear stuff the other judges won’t, but I don’t know if Ellen fits that bill.

  • http://www.comcast.net KAT80

    I feel that “Simon” on American Idol and “Simon” on X-Factor are complete opposites, neither of them being the real “Simon.” I just can’t get used to the “sweet” “smiling” Simon; he never smiles on American Idol? I saw some poor performances on X-Factor that he and/or the other judges applauded only because they were the contestant’s mentor. For this reason, I feel there is a conflict of interest. In addition, this does not provide the contestants with the needed feedback to improve on their performances and/or gives them false confidence. I believe that if the mentors are not the judges, the show would be a fair competition and much more audience appealing. I will give X-Factor in the US a chance, but if the format is the same as the GB show, I will probably tune out before it is over.

    As far as American Idol, I would hate to see it go away. I do not think that the odds for success are as high with both Paula and Simon gone. It may depend on how Ellen fits in this season and whether there is any chemistry between the other judges. If she is replacing Paula as Simon’s nemesis, it will make the show’s continued success even more difficult if he leaves the show. I do hope they keep the focus on the talent and provide them the necessary feedback to improve on their performance as artists/entertainers. Who knows, the show might be better without him. We have had many good artists come out of Idol and not all of them won the competition. It would be sad if the door opened by American Idol to bring us this untapped talent closes.

    I do not agree that only “trained” and “non-industry working” talent be allowed on Idol. American Idol’s rules only prohibit artists that have signed a record contract. If they disallowed artists that have been working their whole life to break into the music industry, we would be missing out on some amazing voices and music today. If you look at the majority of people who make it into AI top 10, they have some type of experience in the music industry, either performing, or producing their own album and/or winning other singing competitions. David Archuleta, as young as he is, won Junior Star Search and performed on several TV shows, including “The Early Show.” Several contestants already had self produced albums ((David Cook (his album won several local awards), Kris Allen, Brooke White, and others)). Kelly and Adam did demo work for a record company and Adam worked in local theatre, not Broadway. Carrie was about to sign an album contract right before auditioning for Idol, but the deal fell through. She also won some singing competitions. All of these are extremely talented musicians and the Music Industry would be a sad place without these exceptional artists. If it were not for AI, we might never have heard their musical voice. There is more untapped talent out there so hopefully, AI sticks around.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    RIP IDOL

  • carolinacharms

    If that smarmy, little bitch Cowell thinks he’s gonna have me watching his X-Factor over Idol (especially if they’re not both on FOX), then he’s got another thing coming. If this move spells the end of Idol, so be it. If it’s a replacement, fine. But if they’re competitors, I’ll be rooting for Idol to wipe the floor with Him.

  • maturin

    Over the years I went from somewhat enjoying the judges’ commentary on Idol to actively loathing it as the show shifted into the mode of having the judges run on much longer then the actual song and as so much of their schtick became obvious recycling.

    It’s too bad none of them actually enjoy their own show and it’s performances to the degree Nigel, Shankman, Mary et all do on SYTYCD. So weirdly, maybe this ending is for the best.

    I think the vast amount of money generated by the show kind of spoiled the people running it and getting paid by it, which happens not infrequently in business. Randy became lazier and lazier with each year, unwilling to spend even a few hours a week working on his material so that he wouldn’t repeat himself each show. Paula couldn’t stay sober. Simon not only recycled the same “bits” from his three different shows, this year he simply ignored the singers when he felt like it and talked to Ryan and the judges about other things.

    And of course, the behind the scenes producers are notoriously indifferent about the themes and song clearances, leaving the show largely as reliant on thirty year old music as it was at the start.

    And then the last two years of the judges and producers, both on the screen and in the media, declaring who they wanted to win the show, within the first few weeks of its start, have openly soured me on the whole contest aspect.

    I love me some contestants–that’s the core of this show for me–and I’ve had my seasons of wins and loses with Fantasia, Bo, Daughtry, Cook and Kradison. But it was getting harder to watch the generally sympathetic young singers struggle against the manipulations of a bunch of hacky hacks.

    X-Factor sounds like a compilation of all the worst parts of Idol. I won’t watch it, and I’ll root for it to fail, but who knows? The Boyle thing means there’s a market for everything, at least once.

  • Ligeya

    Don’t know for sure, but I heard X Factor flopped in every country except Britain – is it truth?
    Anyway, I suspect it’s a part of media war that Simon loves so much – and also good way to warm audience right before new season starts. I just don’t see him making statement like that NOW, before the start of the season. What’s the point? It’s not like he want to be honest with public – Simon is a master of emotional blackmail and mind games with the media, and it’s not in his character to tell the truth about his future. After every season of his every show he starts this moaning and whining about how he’s tired and unhappy and want to have time for himself. He’s blackmailing ITV (platform of british XF) to give him more money for new seasons, otherwise “he’s too tired and want to rest show for few years”. He’s blackmailing FOX and God knows who else.

    It’s just how he does it. And I don’t expect to see press statement about him leaving Idol now. It’s too early, too honest, too simple – out of character for Simon.

  • justjude

    Oh La! Some of us are becoming less than charming ourselves.
    IMO AI is a way classier, but has less bells and whistles than X Factor.
    I would really like to see a return to the 3 judge panel. I will refuse to prejudge Ellen and I’m Sorry, I have to say, I hate to see people described in crude language. I think we are supposed to keep it clean?.
    If we lose Simon, perhaps we can get sony to look at David Foster or
    someone of that stature. Afterall, I would watch for Davids “take” on the idol contestants every week on Access Hollywood, just to compare.
    Now that I’ve seen X Factor every Sat night(thanks MJ), I have to admit
    that Simon has a split personality. He is frequently brutal to AI singers,
    and becomes his groups best friend, and does not even bother to critique
    his own group. If he is snarky at all, it is to the other judges pets. Very
    weird system!!JMO! Requires dishonesty but values loyalty above all!
    Re: singing experience on idol is clearly spelled out, all though, Carly was signed by some small outfit, she did not get much play on her first foray into albumland!
    So if we were to go only with kids from the farm ,Glee clubs or church choirs, ,we would have missed Hicks, Daughtry Bice, Carrie, Cookie, Archie,
    and Scott just to name a few. At that rate we might have created a successfull Idol maybe once or twice since the concept was not even
    concieved!!

    Scott to name just a few

  • Allison

    I didn’t like Season 8. I was not thrilled at all with Ellen’s one-shot or Kara. Too much emphasis on the judges. They cut the number of songs to focus on these clowns? They are not the stars, no matter what the producers think.
    I believe the show has been on the downslope since Season 6. Thin talent to showcase and we got “Idol Gives Back”. It was like the “Emperor’s New Clothes”. Then Paula’s big gaffe with Jason Season 7 revealed what we all knew — the “judging’ of talent goes according to a preconceived plan
    So, If Simon leaves, he leaves. He sees the writing on the wall. The show has strayed from its roots. Keep it the way it’s going and it’s going to fail anyway and he doesn’t want to go out a loser. We’ll find other ways to spend our time on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

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  • Sassycatz

    If we lose Simon, perhaps we can get sony to look at David Foster or someone of that stature. Afterall, I would watch for Davids ‘take’  on the idol contestants every week on Access Hollywood, just to compare.

    I agree that we’ll need someone with some stature who is willing to be brutally honest, while also being entertaining. You know, pithy! However, isn’t David Foster that man who’s permanently stuck to the hip of Kat McPhee? Please, not him. He’s like the king of easy listening to me when he isn’t a proponent of whatever diva voice is on Idol that season. He’s passe to me. Old school Idol, when the show has moved on to contestants who are more multi-talented and relevant.

  • JohnP

    Don’t forget that if a bunch of crazy Brits didn’t cross the Pond with the Pop Idol show idea, AI and this blog wouldn’t exist. They were turned down by all the major networks, often citing that, “America just wouldn’t want to watch this,” before Fox finally took a chance on it.

    In the UK, we get to watch both Idol and X-Factor in their entirety without resorting to YouTube. AI has more than halved its audience (<500k) over the years, admittedly on ITV2, while X-Factor on ITV1 has doubled. The finale got almost 20m viewers – that's the equivalent of AI getting 100m.

    Now seeing that, and knowing that Idol with the same Simon Cowell became the #1 show in the US, Fox would be very neglectful not to, at least, give it a whirl and you can bet that now any of the other networks would bite off their hands to have the X-Factor (or indeed Idol). Nothing's guaranteed, of course, but what more encouragement does a network executive need than that kind of history and those stats?

    As Cowell said in his brother's podcast, ITV pours more money into it each year and production is slick, bright and cheerful, something desirable in these grim days. I also think it benefits from an Autumn/Fall-Winter season. I've always felt the Idol stage is a bit dark and depressing with all those dark colors, and I like the way that Bootcamp, XF's Hollywood week equivalent, is broken up into a theatre session and a session at the judges "homes" or hotels – helps break-up the monotony of that week. The uncut contestants love it too.

    The individual judge's influence in the mentoring process in XF is much exaggerated. Reportedly, Cowell actually gets someone else to do his mentoring and song choices are suggested rather than enforced. The real work is done by the back-stage staff.

    Knowing both shows well, Idol tends to have more cheese offstage while XF tends to display more onstage – same cheese, just differently distributed and presented on the "plate." Idol has better strength (contestant, not cheese) in-depth than XF, but then with 5x the population from which to choose, it should. There is also no real genre distinction in XF, as there is little distinction in general in the popular UK music market.

    Personally, I like both programs for their differences rather than their supposed similarities and I think both will succeed.

  • oceana

    Randy became lazier and lazier with each year, unwilling to spend even a few hours a week working on his material so that he wouldn’t repeat himself each show. Paula couldn’t stay sober.

    I share your disenchantment with the judges, and last season was the worst, but I disagree with this ^^. I think Randy substantially improved his material and was much less repetitive the past season or two. I really don’t think he gets the credit he deserves sometimes. And Paula was much more sober last season, she seemed to get her pill problem under control at least while on the air. She was more articulate also.

    My solution to the judges is to dvr the show, and fast forward through the judges’ comments. Really I prefer to watch the performances and come to my own conclusions about them. The judges comments often do not add to my knowledge, but detract from my enjoyment of the show. Another solution is to mute them.

    perhaps we can get sony to look at David Foster or someone of that stature.

    Oh please, no. Not that. He would kill the show imo. It has to be someone likable and charming, while still being honest and witty.

  • sunchick

    Its like Idol with 3 times the manipulation. LOL. The contestants don’t just stand there and sing, they do these big cheesy stage numbers. And the judges coach people. I’ve just never liked it, it is ridiculously fake to me, and openly manipulative ‘“ even more than Idol. But that’s just me.

    So it’s kinda sorta like AI, but they don’t get to pick their own songs (clearance issues aside) and the focus on the douchey judges shenanigans is amped up even more. Ew?

    X-Factor sounds like a compilation of all the worst parts of Idol. I won’t watch it, and I’ll root for it to fail, but who knows? The Boyle thing means there’s a market for everything, at least once.

    This. The one thing it will have going for it is the buzz. People will want to see if Simon’s off his rocker for quitting AI. And also, morbid curiosity is a powerful thing. See: rubbernecking at accidents, Jerry Springer, tabloid journalism.

    If AI wants to survive and differentiate itself from Simon’s sideshow, they should nab Ben Folds and put the focus on the music over the razzle dazzle. He was the best thing about that Sing Off show. Also, Ellen + Ben Folds >>> Simon + Paula.

  • MaryS-NJ

    I agree that Idol could survive without Simon’s smug, bored self. They would have to get someone witty and concise to replace him, but it could be done. I’m tired of his shenanigans, honestly. I really only watch for the kids. Judges are just window dressing, imo.

    Well said.

    My 2 Cents: The judges made it much too much about themselves last season – especially Simon and his playmate Paula. Who needs 5 minutes of judges’ blather for each 2 minutes of singing?

    I know that many AI fans think Simon is the most credible judge and I acknowledge that as an AR guy he has been successful at finding acts that will give a big pay-off to the record companies (and performers, at least temporarily). He’s a good business man and knows how to build buzz and capitalize on it but as a judge of musical talent on a reality TV show I think it’s been more often about stroking his own ego than a fair assessment of the performers overall and from week to week.

    I think Simon likes to believe he is a musical kingmaker. AI didn’t give him enough control over the product so he conceived X-Factor which let him play with the talent more directly. Let him. I’ll be happy to enjoy the performers on American Idol, maybe with a little more honesty about good and bad performances rather than calculation about which “package artist” is going to make the sour British judge and his overlords look good on a balance sheet.

    So yeah, I think American Idol will survive Simon Cowell. Some new blood might actually be just what it needs to reverse declining ratings.

  • Sassycatz

    Knowing both shows well, Idol tends to have more cheese offstage while XF tends to display more onstage ‘“ same cheese, just differently distributed and presented on the “plate.”

    But, that might be “the problem” with it on this side of the ocean. (See below.)

    Now, I don’t know that I agree with you that all the cheese on Idol is behind the scenes. (How would I or any viewer know?) I think much more of the manipulation is behind the scenes, but cheese? I see cheese in the Ford videos, the group numbers, and the audience questions that they did in season 7, but not behind the scenes. Other than the Ford videos, the AI cheese is just less slick, which is ironic considering this is the U.S. and we are known for polished performances rather than amateur night. However, there is a certain fun and charm in the AI group numbers, as long as they let the contestants be their goofy selves during them.

    I mean, the following is fun and charming and goofy and all about the interactions of the contestants:

    Top 10 group performance from Season 7, Right Back to Where We Started From
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt6zHlC6_Os&feature=related

    But back to more polished cheese, considering how I’ve seen it presented on the X-Factor, it just appears to me to be Bizarro Las Vegas. In the U.S., it’ll be a joke that the contestant is the brunt of instead of being in on, like how we’re all in on it in the above video. What kind of legitimacy would these contestants have swanning around with fan dancers and slinky avant garde posers? The closest Idol gets to it is on IGB or in the finale, but the contestants tend to just stand to the side and let the SYTYCD people do all the leaping about and acrobatics.

    And Paula was much more sober last season, she seemed to get her pill problem under control at least while on the air. She was more articulate also.

    She was so scripted, which I’m sure was a direct result of her going off the rails in season 7. She couldn’t even pronounce some of the words she was speaking. Even Simon was laughing at her more than usual, as if to say, “you don’t even understand yourself with all those 10 dollar words!”

    This. The one thing it will have going for it is the buzz. People will want to see if Simon’s off his rocker for quitting AI. And also, morbid curiosity is a powerful thing. See: rubbernecking at accidents, Jerry Springer, tabloid journalism.

    I agree, as I stated in my earlier comments. In order for the X-Factor not to be a “jump the shark” type show from day one, they are going to need a credible winner of a Kelly Clarkson caliber, which helped to put Idol on the map. And considering how I’ve seen talk on blogs and boards about how Idol might be oversaturating the music market, especially with all the signing going on now, I wonder if there is even room for all the Idol contestants, let alone a bunch of X-Factor contestants.

    If AI wants to survive and differentiate itself from Simon’s sideshow, they should nab Ben Folds and put the focus on the music over the razzle dazzle. He was the best thing about that Sing Off show. Also, Ellen + Ben Folds >>> Simon + Paula.

    I watched a little of Ben Folds on the Sing Off and was very impressed. He’d be great on Idol. Very credible, smart, funny, relevant. He’s not mean like Simon, but I was getting the feeling that the singing groups really were interested in his critique the most, just like with Simon.

  • karenc

    I do not agree that only ‘trained’  and ‘non-industry working’  talent be allowed on Idol. American Idol’s rules only prohibit artists that have signed a record contract. If they disallowed artists that have been working their whole life to break into the music industry, we would be missing out on some amazing voices and music today. If you look at the majority of people who make it into AI top 10, they have some type of experience in the music industry, either performing, or producing their own album and/or winning other singing competitions. David Archuleta, as young as he is, won Junior Star Search and performed on several TV shows, including ‘The Early Show.’  Several contestants already had self produced albums ((David Cook (his album won several local awards), Kris Allen, Brooke White, and others)). Kelly and Adam did demo work for a record company and Adam worked in local theatre, not Broadway. Carrie was about to sign an album contract right before auditioning for Idol, but the deal fell through. She also won some singing competitions. All of these are extremely talented musicians and the Music Industry would be a sad place without these exceptional artists. If it were not for AI, we might never have heard their musical voice. There is more untapped talent out there so hopefully, AI sticks around.

    I totally agree with you on this. I think that there is some level of experience needed. THe contestants that have been most successful also have had their own musical identities also, and this comes with experience. Of the seasons I’ve watched, I’ve seen that especially in Season 7, where almost everyone had their musical identity and stuck to it throughout most of their performances.

    On the other hand, the contestants that have had little experience struggle more on the show to find a song that really give them a good performance or to make it sound like more than a karoke performance. The contestants that really do well on Idol can take a song and really make it their own in thier own style.

    Also, the ones that have been sucessful after Idol had a lot of experience. I doubt if someone with little training and little experience would be able to write a cd that did well, and do a tour and have it be successful, like what David Cook did the past year.