Simon Cowell: Kris Allen is not Good Enough to Compete with Adam Lambert

*silently fumes*

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I can only hope this riles Kris’ fanbase. I’d love to see Kris in the finale, and I think it would be interesting. Will Danny’s fans go for Kris? Will they go to Adam? Will Kris have one of his sublime “moments?” Will Adam be too OTT?

Danny isn’t good enough to compete with Adam either. They need to bring Cook back.

this pisses me off!!!

Danny isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t good enough to compete with Adam either. They need to bring Cook back.

I agree. God, that’d be a showdown.

And Simon seriously needs to STFU – what rock has he been living under – Kris is a great singer – I really do hope that this riles up Kris’s fanbase tonight.

Kris wont get in the finales.I can only say he will get more votes than Danny but they will switch it around so Danny has more votes.I feel like screaming and crying at the same time.Poor Kris.

I just was thinking of something funny.EVERYONE but the TPTB think Kris should be in the finales.Danny and Simon can both scream dream on together when Kris sells more records than Danny.

Oh man … if this is a sign of anything it’s of that great big bus with Kris’ name on it tonight AND the finale, if he makes it. :shuteye_ee:

And now I’m really thinking of DVRing tonight’s episode so I can skip the unabashed bashing.

Seriously, WTF is the deal with Simon’s hair? Does he actually think having it shaved on the sides and a little beanie of hair on top looks good? Seriously? He looks like an Oompa Loompa.

I heard he pays $400 for that mess. Wow, just wow.

And so the pimping continues…A for pimping, Simon!

I would give anything for an Adam/Cook final, I have to admit. I wonder if Cook could come back for the finale and do a duet with Adam.

Simon’s right, Kris doesn’t have a good enough voice. I don’t think he should have been in the top 3 because Allison could compete with the other 2 while Kris can’t.

Man, that was terrible. We need a bus-retardant suit of armor for Kris, STAT.

I really don’t think it’s a good idea for a producer (which Simon is this year) to also be a judge. Nigel Lythgoe does it on SYTYCD, but on that show, the other judges have alot more credibility and Nigel is not seen as the “most important” voice, and in fact his comments often acknowledge his producer role.

Simon’s comments about Danny this year are so inconsistent with his previous judging comments that it is obvious he is serving in the capacity of a TV producer, not as a judge of talent! Danny is turning into Taylor Hicks 2.0, but with less stage presence, and Simon never liked Taylor’s shtick. Usually Simon “the judge” is much better at picking up when a hyped contestant begins to fade, but Simon “the TV producer” just can’t give up his vision of inspirational Danny in white boxing shorts facing off against dark and mysterious Adam in black shorts.

I like the point about pretty much everyone wanting a Kradam finale except for TPTB/Judgery. That really does seem to be the case. And I know it’s just Simon’s opinion, but I really think he should just STFU about this kind of stuff. Trashing one of the top 3 on the day they’re performing is so low brow.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO No NOnO No NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! *Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!* :furious_tb:

BOO Simon!! I hate it when you think you are God and act all high and mighty, thinking you already know the answer. Mind you, you were just WRONG a few weeks back (adam in B3) and WRONG again when Cook won over Archie. SO SHUT UP already Simon you minion!! I am sooo mad!!

Kris fans, don’t let this get you down! We have to do our part and vote for 4 hours straight like as if we were on Speed!!! I’ll be drinking expressos tonight… :shock_tb:

“Danny isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t good enough to compete with Adam either.”

ITA! At least Kris has musicianship skills to make up some ground. Kris may seem bland on the show but he’d make a much more mature and credible album than Danny. Danny’s song choices and style don’t point to a good record even if he gets the top Nashville CCM/country/pop writers writing for him. He’s got a decent voice and he can sing loud. But he doesn’t know how to put personality into songs.

The producers are all about show ratings and they get more buzz off the Adam-Danny showdown that they’re gonna get because they won’t let anything else happen. But I don’t think a Danny album is going to be any good and if he gets signed to RCA/J without getting passed on to their gospel/CCM division I don’t see that working well.

I’m not attached to any of the top 3 contestants, and had no plans to vote at all…..but damn, Simon ticks me off. I hate to see him get his way every.single.year!

I might just get all those phones back out of the drawer tonight and vote for Kris for as long as I can dial. Kris is far, far more appealing to me than Danny.

Simon is like an over-fed, bloated, jaded, supercilious elite Roman citizen, sitting in the coliseum, watching people fight for their lives. His interest isn’t in the game or the sport (or the talent). It’s in the power he holds by controlling the outcome. Thumbs up or thumbs down, it’s his choice.

I don’t like to do his bidding. He’s a frickin’ reptile who thinks he’s evolved into something better.

Ooh! Them’s fightin’ words! I think Simon is trying to rile up the Kris fans on purpose.

And I know ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just Simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s opinion, but I really think he should just STFU about this kind of stuff. Trashing one of the top 3 on the day theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re performing is so low brow.

I absolutely agree with you. What’s even worse is that if TPTB want a Danny/Adam finale, thats more than likely the way its going to be, even IF Kris gets more votes then Danny. And that upsets me/pisses me off.

I would give anything for an Adam/Cook final, I have to admit. I wonder if Cook could come back for the finale and do a duet with Adam.

Isn’t Cook going to be coming back for the finale anyway, being that he’s the current Idol? I think I read somewhere that he had left the 2 days of the finale open (19th and 20th) for that reason alone. And I’d love a Cook/Adam duet, personally. I think that’d be fun to watch. They’re both rockers in their own rights.

What a flippin’ tool Simon is.

It’s like he believes he has a pocketwatch swinging in front of our faces…

“You will vote for Danny or Adam…you will not vote for Kris…a third-party vote is a wasted vote…the auto and bank industries need to be bailed out…Taylor Swift has the best voice ever…”

PUH-leeze. Either we are in fact that gullible…or all those “votes” are just like the notebooks from the Pearl Station in “Lost”…sitting in pneumatic tubes in the middle of the jungle, unread and uncounted. If Danny ends up in the finale with Adam, I will finally be convinced…the fix is in, and the show is rigged.

OH bl**dy hell. So Fuller will get what Kirsten Baldwin called the finale of “talent vs ‘that guy’”. At least Kris has talent. But now we know that tonight we’ll get poor Young Allen get thrown under the bus he was accused of waiting for a few weeks back. Never having watched the show before or since Season 4, if this is what I was missing then I’m glad I stayed away from it. I will always be grateful that this season gave Adam the break he’s been chasing for the past 8 years. But after next Wednesday night (unless Adam gets sent home tomorrow) I’ll go back to following and supporting the musicians I had been B.I. (Before Idol) and add Adam to that group.

nobody can compete with Adam..he is just to Dynamic…only Adam from another demension could possibly compete

I wonder if Cook could come back for the finale and do a duet with Adam.

Haha, I was talking about wanting a DC/Allison duet yesterday, and I know a lot of Cook fans want a DC/Carrie duet, but and DC/Adam one would be cool too. Unfortunately, I’m 99.9% this is all wishful thinking. AI brings on big established names to duet with the finalists for the finale, and DC’s not that.

Back on topic– you know the only duet I DON’T want to hear? Danny/Adam. Haha. Or Danny/anyone. I bet a Kris/Adam duet would be fun in an unexpected way. Adam’s duet with Allison was awesome, as was Kris’ Hollywood group performance was awesome. Danny’s the only one who’s proven he can’t be a team player.

But I get why producers want Danny/Adam because a Kris/Adam finale would be anticlimactic in the way that the Blake/Jordin finale was, and that’s not good for ratings or buzz.

Pshh, whateva Simon… :furious_tb:

Ahhh!!! What the hell?!?! Simon is freaking crazy. Why does he have to slam Kris before he’s even performed tonight? That means that no matter how good he is today, he will not say anything nice just to get his way. It’s American Idol, not Simon Idol so he needs to stop trying to get his way.

LMAO-That just tells you TPTB know kris can beat adam and danny cant.They know where dannys hardcore base is from.That hardcore base will not vote for adam.

I don’t know if anybody really is good to compete against Lamby except Greg Prichard from Britian’s got talent! HO BOY!

Nothing like hearing the most important judge of your most important performance on the most important night of your life say you shouldn’t succeed even before hearing you.

This is so wrong and unfair to Kris. By the judges and producers talking this way weeks in advance (they called the Danny/Adam thing weeks ago on talk shows), they are basically saying the shows until the finale is a waste of time. I just don’t get how this is good for the show – it takes the drama out.

And I guess Kris can kiss goodbye to any dreams he may have had of being signed by 19.

Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s even worse is that if TPTB want a Danny/Adam finale, thats more than likely the way its going to be, even IF Kris gets more votes then Danny. And that upsets me/pisses me off.

Oh how I hope you’re not right about that…but you probably are.

cookbunny: I love how you worked in LOST, haha. I’m still deciding on which to watch first tomorrow night…AI results…LOST finale…hmm…

Poor Kris…I see that Greyhound coming right for him. *sigh*

“And I guess Kris can kiss goodbye to any dreams he may have had of being signed by 19.”

That might be better for Kris. But I wouldn’t count him out of being signed by 19 yet. Who they sign isn’t necessarily the same as who they want for TV purposes. Who they sign is about who they might make more money off and who can advance their “brand” IMO.

As someone who likes Kris and hopes he puts out a good album, I’m just hoping for 2 good performances from Kris tonight and for the show to give Kris a respectful exit tomorrow.

Lol, Simon turns more obnoxious year after year.
I agree with him tough, I don’t think Kris stands a chance against Adam, but neither does Danny, I just want Danny in the finale so we get the biggest gap in votes in the history of AI.

I am an on-again/off-again Simon fan, but I really don’t see why all the fuss when he utters his opinion. If he likes Danny more than Kris, or publicly says so, so what? He is not an impartial observer, he is an opinionated judge. His opinion is his own, if as someone suggests he is just riling up Kris’ fans, then Kris’ fans should be thanking him, not scolding him.

I know it’s cool to dump on Danny, and I am not his biggest fan either, but what has he done that deserves such scorn? These guys live in the AI bubble with few, if any, unscripted appearances except for last week’s homecoming. He seems like an affable, nice enough guy. I don’t see some arrogant ass coming through. Ultimately the fans will decide and no matter who wins, all three will have a record out in the next year and that is the best way to support, or not support any of them.

May the best man win…….

Ugh. I hate you Simon.

That’s sick, Kris is very good singer/songwriter type. I happen to think he’s got loads of talent, albeit in a different vein from Adam.

They said it would be Danny v Adam in the finals back in Top 13 (looking at YOU, Paula), and that’s why they’re pimping it so hard. They don’t want to look stupid. Not that don’t look stupid, they are just trying to cover their tracks.
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Adam Danny duet=ear plugs. One sings Dream On, one sings Scream On, and televisions fly through windows. God, why has Kris lost before he’s even sung a note? Oh, right, b/c Allison lost before she had even sung a note. I forgot about that (not).

Adam FTW. Cook FTD(uet).

holeighannie: you and me both! Likely I’ll read the live chat while watching Lost…I mean, it’s the FINALE! And frankly I can’t take credit for the Lost reference; I’ve seen it elsewhere.

Meanwhile I’ll powervote for Kris AND Adam, if possible…considering I never even voted for COOK and he’s my favorite. I don’t consider it vote-splitting if I otherwise wouldn’t have voted!

The hype around Adam is out of control, in my opinion. I don’t think he’s as good as the reporter or Cowell is making him out to be. Don’t get me wrong: he’s a great technical singer. But he does nothing for me and I’m not seeing the artistry. YMMV.

The fact that Kris is being written off by parts of the media and the judges themselves makes me want to vote my ass of for the poor guy. And I don’t really care for anybody this season outside of Ms. Iraheta. Kris, the bus is ‘a comin’.

It’s going to be nauseating if Kris ends up having a great career and Simon says he knew he (Kris) was going to be a star all along, like he (Simon) seems to always do [see: Kelly Clarkson - who he called "forgettable" -, Jennifer Hudson - who he basically said wasn't going to amount to anything - now he seems to name drop both of them like a madman]. This is how he operates.

As for the Adam v. Cook discussion: I’m of the opinion that if David Cook were in the finale against Adam and he had a deep desire to win the show, there is nothing Adam could do to stop him. Cook’s intelligence, artistry, and poise would be too much to match. Adam would have to rely on his voice and charisma, which I don’t think would be enough.

Didn’t watch the vid yet, but after reading the post, Wow. That’s rude… so Simon…

I don’t get what he’s trying to do. If Kris really can’t compete why does Simon seem to be working overtime to convince America that he can’t? Kris has never been my #1, but the guy can compete, and he’s HEADS above Danny in my book… If he were so lacking, he wouldn’t still be there.

Guess that hometown visit turnout in Arkansas has the producers a widdle skeered about widdle Kristofer upsetting the pre-packed applecart. LOL

But, if Kris is looking like he’ll beat Adam to the finale, TPTB are stuck with a good v. good script, so I can see their angst. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA It’d serve them right — not my preference, mind you, but still…

I hope Kris is mentally prepared to hear the crap that will be said tonight, regardless of how good he is.

This is really irritating. They were complete dicks to Syesha too last year, but at least in that case, the voters ultimately agreed with the outcome. I can’t tell you how much I will be voting my fingers off for Kris if he does a good job.

ONCE AGAIN, I would like to smack Simon. And tonight, I will be dialing my fingers off for Kris.

And you know what? Last year, he thought David A. had the win sewed up. Eh, what does he know?

cookbunny: That’s a good plan, I may do that. However, I’m crushed that the LOST finale is already here so I may put it off for an extra hour (and have the ability to skip through commercials).

tommy: The problem with Simon saying things like this is that it reveals just how biased he is against Kris. How can he win with the judges if Simon apparently isn’t even willing to give him a chance to prove himself tonight? That and it’s just mean-spirited and petty to talk up the other two and declare Kris unworthy of the competition.

ok WHAT IS SUPER FUNNY-simon tells kris he cant win.He does it from his new 20 million $ home that we helped him buy.How dumb are we?

Oh, shut up Simon. I’m a big Adam fan, and even I’m irritated with this one. This can influence votes (as noted on this thread).

Last year Simon did think David A had the win, up until a certain point. He started saying David Cook for the win a few weeks before the finale, with Simon’s now infamous switch at the final 2 night (and Simon’s subsequent apology to DC the next night).

As for Adam vs. Cook discussion – please don’t make me go there. I was a big DC fan last year, and big Adam fan this year. I don’t want to choose. Thankfully the guys picked different seasons to compete, otherwise it would be much too painful.

I want Simon to shut up.

This is doing nothing but hurting Adams chances

Pfffffftttttttt……

Kris isnt as good as Danny? I mean, what is he thinking? They are 2 very different types of singers. I like Danny’s voice well enough but I think kris is more talented than Danny is by a long shot.

I gotta funny feelin’ that kris is gonna knock one of the 2 favs out of the game tonight with votes. I know that quite possibly it will be my boy Adam. If it is I will power vote my ass off for Kris.

Here’s my opinion, as much as I would like an Adam-Kris finale (although Adam-Allison would have been superb!), it all depends on how “good” is defined in this competition. I don’t think that Danny CAN’T sing–he actually has a powerful voice and I like his tone most of the time.
Kris’s voice, on the other hand, is not as big, for lack of a better word. HAVING SAID THAT, Kris is a much better performer in terms of interpreting a song, showing musicality, and actually enabling you to feel the song. He has also shown incredible growth and is willing to take risks with arrangements, which Danny hasn’t really done. So if Simon is judging this based on the powerful pipes, then I think Danny has it but Kris is a better musician.

Danny does have a better voice than Kris. Even in the group sings if you listen to one next to the other it is sooooo glaringly obvious that Danny’s voice is superior. Now Kris has other things going for him that Danny doesn’t, he can arrange, he’s a musician, and he has musical knowledge. But Danny is the better singer.

Simon might be pulling some reverse psychology because I refuse to believe he actually sees Danny as a quality performer. He’s done this before, praised somebody he actually wants to target for elimination. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if what he’s really shooting for is Kris-Adam.

Though the idea that Gokey can be a stumblin, bumblin, non-musical fool (who the F!@# doesn’t know the lyrics to Billie Jean?) and still have Simon’s genuine support is hilarious. Maybe he just wants Danny to win so he has somebody new to mock instead of Taylor Hicks.

Bottom line is that neither of them can beat Adam.. he is talented.
Not my favorite, but certainly talented.
BUT… Simon is on drugs if he thinks Kris can’t sing and Danny can.
Kris is significantly better than Danny. Reality is that Danny should have been gone last week. Allison should be in this top 3… but that’s water under the bridge.
Wish I wasn’t working tonight so I could watch and vote… hope you all throw some votes for Kris in there for me.
Gokey must GO!!!

I gotta funny feelinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ that kris is gonna knock one of the 2 favs out of the game tonight with votes. I know that quite possibly it will be my boy Adam. If it is I will power vote my ass off for Kris.

Dingo, you don’t need to worry. Adam’s not going anywhere. Tonight is between Danny and Kris. I’m not voting. I cast my last vote for Taylor and I hope I never get that invested again. But I still think Danny has the better voice. I don’t necessarily like what he sings, but I do think he has a good voice. Both of them are gonna look pretty bad against Adam, though, because Adam has the whole package.

I LOVE Kris I do, are his vocals as good as Adam, no way – but better than Danny – YES!

oh flickr – lol at what you said but sadly for us that Simon is laughing or sneering all the way to the bank and back

I personally think Kris has a better chance of beating Adam than Gokey (though if Gokey wins Adam will still become the bigger star), which is why it would make for a much more interesting finale. I have to wonder if TPTB also believe, based on votes and iTunes sales that Kris has a better shot at winning than they want to admit. Adam-Allison was the ultimate finale but Adam-Kris would be the next best thing.

Man, I love Simon, but this is irritating. I am not a fan of Kris or Danny, but concede they each do pretty decent with what they have. Neither, as a singer, is appealing to me, but I can see why others might like them.

What a toolish comment to make just before the top three performance show. It’s pretty much the same thing they did to Elliott several years ago. Also,

Seriously, WTF is the deal with Simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hair? Does he actually think having it shaved on the sides and a little beanie of hair on top looks good? Seriously? He looks like an Oompa Loompa.

I loved it!

You know who would have matched up well against Adam in the finale? Allison, you asshat! Thanks for throwing her under the bus and telling America that she has no personality and doesn’t want to win.

I don’t think Kris is nearly as good as Adam, but he’s light years ahead of Danny and at least deserves his Top 3 spot. Danny is louder than Kris, which probably equates to “better” by Idol standards. Danny probably deserved about 7th place with Lil.

Channelling my mother’s scold voice: “Was that REALLY necessary, young man???”

First of all, Kris already IS competing with Adam. He’s in the top three, so do the math.

Second, if I have to entertain the life-shrivelling scenario where Adam doesn’t win this thing, Kris is one HELL of a lot more palatable an alternative to Gokey, aka Taylor 2.0, Church Edition.

Simon? STFU. That is all.

aek, I have watched Idol the past years since Taylor but this is the first time I will be voting like a lunatic since Taylor. Thats how much I lurve Adam. I will be voting on the same Go Phone that I bought specifically to vote for Taylor. Thats gotta be a good sign for my guy eh?

Im missing Allison like crazy.

God, it’s Elliott for me all over again

Remember: Simon is always right.

Am I the only one who noticed that Simon and Paula were high-five-ing when Kris got through to the top 13 and last week Simon was smiling when Kris was announced safe? I think he’s rooting for Adam vs Kris and stuck with TPTB’s Adam vs Danny script.

Kris can do this year’s Taylor Hicks.The one that Simon doesnt like but still makes it.Of coarse after Idol Kris’s career will be more than Taylor’s.

Kris is just as good as Danny. That said, Adam fans DON’T SPLIT YOU VOTE because it could be Adam going home. Come on Adam fans vote you fingers off tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grrrr. I was already planning to vote my fingers off for Kris now that my #1 is gone (Allison, of course), and this just makes me want to get all my friends to vote for him, too.

I have to say this is the first year where I just really, really want to smack Simon. In years past, I thought he was the greatest judge ever and I usually agreed with his critiques of the performances. Not all of his critiques, but most of them. This year, however, I’ve agreed with very few of his critiques and he has just come off as a total jerk this year for me. :/

But anyway…

*gets ready to powervote for Kris in a few hours*

You know who would have matched up well against Adam in the finale? Allison, you asshat! Thanks for throwing her under the bus and telling America that she has no personality and doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to win.

*nods* I completely agree with this.
I’m an Adam fan but I do like Kris I don’t get why he is treated like this,he can sing .Simon needs to quit slamming Kris and stop pimping Adam so much I’m afraid it’s gonna cost him the win.I’m pulling for a Kris and Adam finale.My friends and I will be powervoting for Adam tonight.I hope his fans pull together and vote there fingers off .

Am I the only one who noticed that Simon and Paula were high-five-ing when Kris got through to the top 13 and last week Simon was smiling when Kris was announced safe?

I remember that, too. I think that once upon a time, Simon actually wanted Kris to do well. Even as recently as “Falling Slowly,” Simon gave him good comments, taking the time during results night to call him ‘brilliant’. But obviously something happened since then… And I’m not sure what. :down_tb:

I can see what is happening already. Once again, Adam fans are gonna start feeling sorry for Kris and changing their votes thinking Adam will be safe with the other votes. Come one, we’re not goats, if your an Adam fan, stick with the game and let the best guys win. We can only hope there are enough votes for Kris to outbeat Danny. Keep voting guys, Adam is the one on the outside once again looking in. Hard to believe, but this could put Kris over the top. Vote triple hard guys!

Kris isnt as good as Danny? I mean, what is he thinking? They are 2 very different types of singers.

I agree with this. “Better singer” is not a meaningful category at this point. The question is “better at singing what!?” Frankly, I think if Adam tried to sing what Kris sings, it wouldn’t sound right. He is made for Led Zeppelin type stuff. There are many songs in the world for which Kris is easily the best singer because their art is different. But the thing is, for both of them, it is about art.

The fact is, all three of these men generally sing in tune (with Danny contributing some glaring exceptions). Earlier in the season we had people who struggled to hit their notes, people like Lil and Scott. They are gone. These three can all sing.

When it comes to pure mechanics of singing, I don’t think it is at all clear that Danny is superior to Kris. Just look at his breath control.

The thing is, Simon does not know anything about the actual art of singing. He is not judging that. When he says “better singing” he means “more like Michael Bolton and Celine Dion” because 1990s McSinging (what we were told is good singing in the 1990s) is the only thing he knows. He is a corporate creation, he does not have a personal love for music (which he has said), he is not listening for someone who captures emotion or who does interesting things with the melody. That is all too subtle for him. If you don’t hit him over the head with a mallet, he can’t understand.

Jamie Foxx asked them if they were singers or if they are artists. They answered artists. This is not a world Simon understands. But its what people are craving today. They want something beautiful, meaningful, not just a prefab “song” created by a computer somewhere, like some kind of assembly line monstrosity. Lots of us are looking for real music.

There are a million singers in the 60s and 70s who, if they were on American Idol (God forbid!), Simon would say they can’t sing. It’s sad. Now that real music has an audience (thankfully), now that it has replaced the over-the-topness of the 90s, Simon is on a cultural island. If he cannot adopt to the music scene as it is now, he will only embarrass himself more and more.

Man. WTF Simon? As MJ put it, “The script is written. Simon is delivering the message.” :furious_tb: this is so stupid.
I think that Adam is the obvious best, but no way is Danny better than Kris. Danny may have the more powerful voice, but Kris has the more beautiful voice. Kris is also very creative and has a great sense of musical phrasing.
I had hoped for an Adam/Allison/Kris final 3 personally. Obviously that’s not gonna happen :sad_wp: we won’t even get an Adam/Kris finale at least (I had originally hoped for Adam/Allison, but that would be 2nd best)

I have watched Idol the past years since Taylor but this is the first time I will be voting like a lunatic since Taylor. Thats how much I lurve Adam. I will be voting on the same Go Phone that I bought specifically to vote for Taylor. Thats gotta be a good sign for my guy eh?

I am sure Adam will win. I think Gokey should be second and Kris third (based on voice). I don’t think that it will serve either of them well to win, even if they could.

We saw what TPTB did to Taylor for beating Chris. I don’t wish the Taylor treatment on anyone. I still love me some Taylor, and he deserved his win by God. I so hate it when everyone’s insult is “he’ll be Taylor Hicks.” But what ya gonna do? Imho it was TPTB who willfully destroyed Taylor. They would do that to either Danny or Kris, and it would suck all over again (even if I don’t lurve either of them.)

Everytime I read “don’t worry Adam is safe” that makes me cringe. Please don’t think Adam is safe. That is what almost got him kicked out a couple weeks ago – fans thought he was safe and suddenly he was in the bottom 2.

Simon does need a makeover – new hair and most definitely new manly t-shirts. I’m really tired of his look.

I think Kris has the better chance at beating Adam than Danny. Kris would have his fan base plus Danny’s fan base. Adam has his fan base plus Allison’s fan base. It will come down to the variable voters – the ones who change their votes every week depending on performances for that week. VFTW may also have a say so – I would guess they would go with Kris next week (no reason for that thinking though)

A Danny / Adam finale will have Adam for the win. And probably pretty darn easily. The Adam / Kris fans will go to Adam as well as Adam’s only fan base. Danny will have to grab a significant amount of those variable voters and it is unlikely he would grab enough of them for the win.

A Danny / Kris finale will have Kris for the win. But tight. The Adam only fans will bail and not vote (a large fan base). Many of the Adam / Kris fans will bail as well. However I think enough would stick around, and dislike Danny enough, to pull out the win for Kris. And Kris has the better shot at picking up those variable voters.

Remember: Simon is always right.

Not in Season 5, he wasn’t! There are a number of past idols that I enjoy and whose music I’ve purchased, but I don’t love any of them as much as I do Taylor. I’ve spent this whole season seeing him used as an example of the type of horror that Danny will become and I get what people are saying. But, imo, Danny doesn’t, in any way, come close to the talent that is Taylor.

Although I’ve enjoyed some of Kris’ performances, I don’t think he or Danny should be the American Idol. I think TPTB threw the competition away this year by getting rid of so many good singers so early. It is one of the reasons that I have enjoyed this season less than any other.

I’d like Kris to make it through to next week, because I think he’ll put on a better show that will provide a real contrast to Adam’s performances. But, I think the end result has been determined for months.

This is Simon’s show. He’s not getting “stuck” with anything, haha. Simon is the shizzaat and he knows it. He even turned Kara into an Adam lover by educating her on the “artist” vs singer concept. Simon also controls Paula who almost always shares the same fave with him come finale time. The only one he doesn’t control is Randy.

Kris is a nice, sweet boy from the heartland. But his voice is very average. And to me, he’s like Jason Castro with less interesting hair. Actually, he’s not as good looking as Castro either…though I’m not getting the “hot” factor thing with either one of them.

Adam is an entertainer. To that manor born. Unique voice (for this decade). Stimulating. Provocative. Just how Hollywood likes its stars. While I actually think Cook is a better musician and singer (marginally), Adam is far more electric and will prolly outlast the former in terms of career.

Danny is just Danny. A decent singer plucked from obscurity and from under the proverbial rock. He’s not a bad fellow but not that intriguing either. He has no vocal training and it shows; however, I do get the feeling that he has the most room to improve. Maybe he will…and maybe he won’t. Who knows?

Kris might not have the strongest vocals but at least the finale would be interesting to have a singer musician who can add a bit of variety to the show. Well, we all knew the bus was coming for Kris, because the producers want it that way. I feel so bad for Kris because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a nice guy and he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deserve the beating that the judges will give him tonight. I know Kris will do well tonight, and Kris will receive all my votes this evening.

Also, this is not natural buzz like the Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s had last year, it is a manufactured buzz and an unexciting outcome for this seasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s finale. IMO the producers tried to recreate the same amount of buzz that season seven had, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not working because ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not organic.

One more thing. This is not meant to bash Celine Dion, but I think it is relevant to a whole style of music that I think Simon cannot get over. It’s a quote from Rolling Stone (taken from Wikipedia):

According to Keith Harris of Rolling Stone magazine, “[Dion's] sentimentality is bombastic and defiant rather than demure and retiring….[she] stands at the end of the chain of drastic devolution that goes Aretha-Whitney-Mariah. Far from being an aberration, Dion actually stands as a symbol of a certain kind of pop sensibilityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ bigger is better, too much is never enough, and the riper the emotion the more true.”

“Too much is never enough”. This has been the American Idol mantra for seven seasons. There have been attempts to oppose this trend. People with names like Elliott Yamin, Jason Castro, Brooke White have made an attempt to expand Idol’s music horizon beyond the “devolution” of the 90s.

Kris, I think, has the best chance of anyone of actually changing Idol for the better by showing that the subtle and the artistic does have an audience in America. I think that is Idol wants to survive, it needs to expand its palette. Though Simon is too blind to see it, at this point American Idol may need Kris more than Kris needs Idol.

No way is Danny better than Kris, Kris fans vote hard.

Adam fans vote harder than you ever have. Sympathy votes get Adam a oneway ticket for home. For reals.

God, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Elliott for me all over again

Difference being that noone would ever say that Elliott couldn’t compete based on voice.

If I remember correctly, they went on the talk shows and totally ignored Elliott as a contestant. They didn’t even mention his name.

And then Simon was patronizing to him on Final three night, saying “well, your Mom is proud of you.”

I can see what is happening already. Once again, Adam fans are gonna start feeling sorry for Kris and changing their votes thinking Adam will be safe with the other votes.

This is the one thing that could do Adam in. It’s been going on all season and for this reason I hope they don’t bus Kris because it could wind up costing Adam a place in the finals.

Dial Idol has been iffy this season but one thing I’ve noticed is that they always have Adam doing poorly in the western half of the country. One theory for this is that Adam’s fans in the west look at DI, see Kris in last place and then vote for him instead of Adam. The west is particularly susceptible to this since they have the opportunity to see the east coast vote – or at least what DI projects the eastern vote to be. Their projection may or may not be accurate.

So far Adam has managed to advance in spite of this but tonight could be the end of the line. Kris has his own formidable fan base and this combined with sympathy votes from Adam’s fans may result in Adam going home.

Poor, poor Kris. We will miss you

I can’t take this anymore. I’m gonna be voting hardcore for Kris tonight… more than I ever have before. Simon needs to STFU…

If Kris wasn’t such a threat, he wouldn’t feel the need to say things like this.

I think Simon is getting ahead of himself assuming Adam is in the final. Personally, I think Danny and Kris should be in the final.

Doesn’t anybody remember last year at this exact time Simon was on a talk show and predicted David Cook as the winner. I remember so well as I was an Archie fan and I was devastated. This is just what Simon does. I don’t know if he is trying to change the vote or if he just really thinks that Kris is no good. We’ll never know what he has in mind. But as an Adam fan, I wish he’d shut his trap as he just stirs the pot and makes it much more difficult for Adam. Danny just needs to take a flying leap and hope he finds ground. Guy can’t sing anything but songs that sound exactly as they were created. No imagination at all. He is a one trick pony!! Go home Danny, you suck!

*hovering precariously over the third rail*

I hate to be the one to bring this up and turn it into a theological or societal debate, but I’m just going to put it out there blunt as it can be…I think a vast majority of Gokey votes are coming from the Evangelical Christian community. In fact, I would bet that many of those voters don’t come to MJ’s or any Idol boards, and even further, don’t even watch the show. They simply vote for him on Tueday night because their church told them to, just like many (but not all) told them to vote for McCain and/or for Proposition 8. Not ALL churches, and not ALL voters, mind you. I’m sure there are other fervent fandoms and voting blocs that truly love Danny as a singer and as a person. And I don’t want to paint all churches with the same brush, cause there are SO many kinds. But I gotta say, from VFTW to EW to the Idol forums to the DC fan boards, I see so much hatred for Danny I keep wondering “if so many people hate him then why is he still on?”

My answer comes from posts I see on Facebook and Twitter, from people whom I know are also like-minded, Evangelical Christians, who literally see it as their “CHRISTIAN DUTY” to vote for him. And what does that say about Kris? He’s a worship leader in his church, too. Is he not loud enough? Is his church not big enough? Is he *roll eyes* not “Christian” enough? He said he wanted to do “mainstream” music rather than Christian music…does that make him a WORSE Christian? My God, what kind of people are we? I shake my head…factor in the few voters who are not only voting FOR Danny out of “Christian duty,” but AGAINST ADAM because of his all-but-confirmed homosexuality; and I think all over again about moving to Canada.

Hey, I’m a Christian who loves both Adam and Kris, but if the finale comes down to Adam and Danny I will vote my fingers off for ADAM. Why? because a) I personally DO think Danny is a tool who pimped his dead wife, b) I think Adam is more creative, more talented, and infinitely less toolish…totally NON-tool, in fact. And as for Kris I think he is not only a great singer but a great songwriter and artist. I’ve listened to his pre-Idol music, and you know what it reminded me of? The feeling I got when I listened to David Cook’s Analog Heart the first time and realized he wasn’t just good at singing and reworking other people’s songs…he did a DAMN fine job at writing and singing his OWN work.

Sorry, MJ, but I had to get that off my chest. If you see it as inappropriate I apologize and am totally fine with it being edited or cut.

You are correct in your analysis of the pathogenesis of bombast as de rigeur for Idol finalists/winners, but I would doubt that Dion loses much sleep over that claptrap in Rolling Stone.

Relax people. Simon is just trying to get people riled up to get Danny GOhomey, out of the picture. He ain’t stupid, he has seen all the horrible, laughing, press about Danny. He wants his sorry ass out of the final, and he’s just trying to save face CAUSE.HE.PUT.HIM.THERE.IN.THE.FIRST.PLACE
He certainly can’t go back on what hes been saying all these weeks, that Danny is good, now can he.
BYE BYE Danny Gokey!!!!!!!!! :thumbdown_tb:

I so want Kris to prove him wrong.

To Simon, Frank Sinatra and Billie Holiday would not be good enough to compete against Adam. Adam is not the second coming, folks. Singing is not about the size of your voice or your ability to hold notes. For those who love Adam, fine, you’ve made your point. I don’t happen to think he’s all that.

Everything these judges say is for manipulation…come on people! Whether it is a comment to a contestant or to the media.

What these latest comments will do is cause complacency among Adam voters, and anger voters for Kris…and protective voters for Danny. Adam is the one who stands to lose tonight.

Don’t be manipulated. Vote your fingers off for whoever you feel is the best talent on there.

If Adam loses tonight, it will NOT be the fans fault, it will be the shows fault. I won’t blame Simon or Randy for their comments…or any of the media who has picked up what they want to run with. I will blame a show that has it’s own agenda, but hides behind of curtain of concern, compassion and fairplay.

For people who have studied Cowell over these past 8 seasons, you know that Simon wants what he says he wants, he means what he says and he doesn’t pull punches. The man’s a master promoter. A master stager.

And this stage–Simon’s stage–is just too big for a Kris Allen-Adam Lambert finale. Call it Good vs Evil, big voice vs bigger voice…or huge fanbase vs mammoth fanbase, one fact remains: only Danny and Adam can fit that bill.

VFTW may also have a say so – I would guess they would go with Kris next week (no reason for that thinking though)

They could pick Adam. When it gets down to the wire, they usually pick the one they think will win.

They picked Taylor, with the caveat that they thought he was talented but would not be marketable.

I have to agree with Simon. If we are going on vocals alone, Danny does have the better voice IMO. Do I like Danny more? Hells no!!

Adam fans…DO NOT let this sway your vote!!

Call it Good vs Evil, big voice vs bigger voiceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦or huge fanbase vs mammoth fanbase, one fact remains: only Danny and Adam can fit that bill. .

But we just have no evidence of the fact that Adam and Danny’s fan bases are significantly bigger than Kris’s. None of them have been in the bottom three all seasons, with one exception. It is simply not like other years where the #3 person had been in the bottom four or five times (and if you look at the records, that’s usually the case, with the exception of Melinda).

I think the reason Kris has made it this far without the help of Simon or the producers is that America may not always want what Simon wants. Where’s Lil? Things just don’t always turn out the way he wants.

I remember that, too. I think that once upon a time, Simon actually wanted Kris to do well. Even as recently as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Falling Slowly,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Simon gave him good comments, taking the time during results night to call him à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹brilliantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢. But obviously something happened since thenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ And Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure what.

Lys, this happens every year. Simon likes a talented contestant just fine early in the competition. Even loves them and calls them brilliant, terrific, fantastic! Then, the closer it gets to the finale, the less he “likes” them. The less “good” they are. Until they don’t even belong on the same stage as the contestant he’s picked to win. Nothing to do with reality. Only to do with Simon’s (and the other PTB) agenda.

Ooh! Themà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fightinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ words! I think Simon is trying to rile up the Kris fans on purpose.

Ditto. Simon is nowhere near as dense as some peeps tend to believe. Reverse psychology 101.

cookbunny is very wise, do not underestimate the power of the Christian rock fan base. I have seen it first hand and they were prepared to cheat in order to have their boys win just a silly poll at an MSN site as Artists of the Month. These are the same people who voted in Bush 2 terms. Just saying what the pundits have said – I was a political junkie before I decided I needed lighter entertainment, bwah.

So Kris fans, vote your fingers off and do whatever it takes…….

This is the same guy who told Chris Daughtry he didnt see star potential and gave him a big fat NO at his audition…..otay, i love simon’s directness but not necessarly his taste. he prefers BIG vocals over understated, a bit too 90s if you ask me.

I dont get it his love of danny’s vocals …when allison’s vocals are just as bluesy/raspy/big as his. YET she never, ever got the proper credit. So to me, his pimpage of danny means one thing…TPTB want/need a danny vs adam final so they can play up the dark vs light theme.

Nobody can match up with adam’s vocals, but thats cool…..cuz this show for many is a TALENT competition, not just a singing contest. If that was the case, then they (judges) should STFU about song choice and making stuff your own.

If Simon wants Adam to win, why does he keep doing this? It only encourages backlash and hurts Adam’s chances.

I really, really, really want to see Gokey gone tomorrow.

Clearly, Simon doesn’t like Kris as the winner. He thinks him a yummy bit of fluff. That’s been my read on this situation for the entire contest, and this video just reinforces the same. And I actually think he means what he says when he praises Danny’s vocal abilities. He’s been consistent in this all season. Kindly note that he’s been careful not to laud Danny’s performing abilities (save 1x). Honest to a fault that Simon Cowell.

Gee thanks, Simon. You’ve now saved me from having to watch two whole episodes to see how Top 3 will end. No need to tune in then. Thanks mate! (I sure hope many more in America will join me.)

Simons way of getting Kris’s fan’s fired UP!! Remember the “knock Out” Cook fan’s and everyone else went nuts. Including me, and I wasn’t a Cook fan at the time!! hahaha

My heart is crushed…I do love Kris, and I can’t do anything to help him (cannot vote for him, or for anyone else for that matter). I do think Simon has a point; but I can only wish for him to be totally wrong…The show has yet to air if it matters to anyone; but the eventual inevitability is becoming apparent.

I believe in Simon when he said we don’t need humble anymore. Kris needs to believe that he can win. He needs to lay his claim on the win and own it.

I remember a time when Simon said he wanted a Melinda/Jordin finale….. and look what happened, Melinda was voted out at this position. My votes are going to Adam only and hope Kris has his own fans to put him in the finals.

First, I don’t know how I missed this thread earlier when I came on and was skimming the Preshow thread. Ugh!

Dial Idol has been iffy this season but one thing Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve noticed is that they always have Adam doing poorly in the western half of the country. One theory for this is that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans in the west look at DI, see Kris in last place and then vote for him instead of Adam. The west is particularly susceptible to this since they have the opportunity to see the east coast vote – or at least what DI projects the eastern vote to be. Their projection may or may not be accurate.

This is an interesting observation because, I’ve watched DI closely w/ Kris as my fav. and have never seen a huge increase for Kris as voting heads out west.

Personally, I want Adam’s fan to vote for Adam. If someone is torn over who they like best, vote for both, if you like Kris best (LIKE ME), vote for Kris.

You know, I did agree with Simon that David Archuleta kinda did knock David Cook out during finale night (You know, one of those DC-DA-DC-DA things, DC did better top 5 and 3, DA did better top 4 and 2. Then again, Archie here, so I’m a bit biased.)

Danny got kinda boring after a while, Kris has more artistry than either of the two IMO. Adam’s a good technical singer, but he also does nothing good for me.

This video just gives me more hope about Kris being in the finale. Simon’s (unintentionally) using reverse psychology.

Kris isn’t a good enough singer? And Danny is? Come on Simon. Turns out all of the judges are out of their minds this year. It’s a sad, sad world when Kara’s becoming my favorite.

WTF???? I can’t even figure out who or what he’s trying to sabotage but it’s definately not Danny Go-home-Key. It’s either Adam (I think Simon fears Adam having too much power after AI) and/or Kris…

Who knows what mojo Simon is trying to pull?

But this is certainly true:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Better singerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is not a meaningful category at this point. The question is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“better at singing what!?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Those who like Kris, like moi, are going to vote for him even harder and more this time to: 1) call Simon’s bluff; 2) give Kris the push he deserves, as an excellent musician and different kind of singer (subtlety, what’s that?); 3) create a finale that I am interested in watching.

What a load of rubbish, Kris is by far a better singer then Gokey, Paula’s been slipping those pills in the wrong freakin’ glass of Coke.

I don’t think Simon is saying that to fire up the Kris voters. I think he honestly believes it. The thing is he doesn’t listen to his own previous interviews when he says it is 50% the person that we vote for and 50% the voice. I happen to love Kris’s voice, but I will power vote for him as much for who he is as for his talent. Simon is also dead wrong if he thinks Danny Gokey is better able to compete against Adam. neither of them have a chance of winning but it makes me really furious that he is already throwing Kris under the bus and the show hasn’t even happened yet. Kris does have a chance of competing with Danny and it is such an unfair advantage having Simon say he isn’t good enough. Up yours, Simon.

Oh, God, could that Brian person be a bigger douchebag? What a slimy sycophant. Simon has to loathe those “Fox and Friends” fools, doesn’t he? Ugh.

I can see where Simon feels Kris isn’t a strong enough “singer” to compete with Adam, because for Simon, it’s all about the drama and good TV. He’s pretty confident Adam has this wrapped up, and he wants to see some fireworks. As much as I love Kris, I’d love to see Adam squash Danny like a bug next week. Of course, Simon thrashed David Cook in the finale after singing his praises for weeks, so who can say for sure what will happen?

And Simon pays $400 to get that haircut? Sorry, but I think he’s taking the “three stooges” comparison a little too seriously. What do they call that, the Shemp?

Kris believes in himself. Swagger isn’t in his personality. Thank goodness. If he changed to suit Simon he would be criticized for not being true to himself. I say be yourself, sing your heart out, and if by some chance you make it to the finals you deserve to be there. If you don’t you still deserve to be there.

To me there is absolutely no comparison between Kris and Jason Castro. Kris has never completely blown the words to a song during a performance. Castro did it on multiple occasions. I also think Kris is far better looking and he voice is much superior. Kris did a much better job on Somewhere Over the Rainbow and that was one of Castro’s best. Both can play the ukelele. That is about the only thing they have in common.

I enjoy all three of the contestants left. But for Simon to say Kris isn’t “good enough” to go against Adam is complete rubbish. Kris has an absolutely beautiful voice and can put more emotion into a line than anybody this season. Danny is NOT a better singer in any way. He’s louder, so maybe that’s all Simon knows. I think Adam and Danny would try to outscream each other at a finale, which would get kind of boring. What a nice contrast it would be to have kris sing something quiet and heartfelt like “Falling Slowly” and Adam sing one of his wild songs (maybe a reprise of “Satsifaction”!) Now THAT would be something worth watching.

WOW

sure, just let danny take the runner-up position, i’m pretty much positive that Kris, Allison, and Matt will out-sell Danny Gokey in the long run

the three of them have better recording voices than Danny anyway

i think there’s no reason to fight for Kris anymore

it’s just a matter of time, and i’m for sure that Kris, Allison and Matt have better packages than Danny

I was mad at first when I saw this video. I have never liked Gokey or Adam for that matter! I hope fans are enraged and vote Kris into the finale! I think the reason Simon dismisses Kris is that he isn’t your typical Idol powerhouse singer. His appeal is way more understated and I think that why I like him! He is the artist they are looking for! He will sell records!

That’s all I am saying!

Simon clearly wants Kris to win, he is doing the same thing they did a couple weeks ago (when they put Adam in bottom 2), that is to fire up the voting public to vote for Kris and he’s been going on all these ‘talk shows’ and saying Adam will win and that in itself will make people angry against Adam. Simon is so sneaky and manipulative its unreal, he knows whats the voting public is like, this is Just sick!!!! poor Adam he deserves it more than those 2, he gives his best every week and i enjoys his performances, today i am writing this with an heavy heart that Adam will be leaving us tonight….. “crying” irony?

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Simon this year.

I don’t know what people are upset about what Simon said? Adam indeed is a better singer and he is better than Kris, Kris is a nice guy and I believe so is Adam. But this is a singing competition… People don’t actually agree Adam is a better singer than Kris??? No need to get angry with Simon, he is telling what he feels, thinks… and we have our own thoughts, too!
Just follow your heart and vote for your idol…. Hey, we are all difference!! But I believe indeed we still know what is good, bad or better!! We have to…