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	<title>Comments on: Ryan Tedder Responds to the Kelly Clarkson &#8220;Already Gone&#8221;/&#8221;Halo&#8221; controversy</title>
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		<title>By: crazednoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>crazednoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ - &quot;I know Kelly said this but it&#039;s not ringing true for me. Beyonce&#039;s album came out in November. In December Kelly blogged that her album was still in the mixing stages so it&#039;s not possible that it had already gone to print. I guess it&#039;s possible Kelly didn&#039;t hear Halo but it was certainly out there before her album went to print.&quot;

Kelly was done recording by Oct. 24. The album was originally supposed to be released in November. However the due date was pushed back and the mixing took a bit longer as Kelly wanted to get it right by not rushing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ &#8211; &#8220;I know Kelly said this but it&#8217;s not ringing true for me. Beyonce&#8217;s album came out in November. In December Kelly blogged that her album was still in the mixing stages so it&#8217;s not possible that it had already gone to print. I guess it&#8217;s possible Kelly didn&#8217;t hear Halo but it was certainly out there before her album went to print.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kelly was done recording by Oct. 24. The album was originally supposed to be released in November. However the due date was pushed back and the mixing took a bit longer as Kelly wanted to get it right by not rushing it.</p>
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		<title>By: crazednoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>crazednoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>noctem seizure
&quot;She&#039;s only selling about 6,000 albums a week now (and steadily falling). At that rate it will take her until Christmas to hit 700,000.&quot;

She&#039;s still on the Billboard top 200 at number 75. And more so, no artists is selling very much right now as the industry is in a slump. The number 1 spot for this week was a debut and only sold a little over 100,000. Kelly sold over 200,000 in her AIW debut. She&#039;s right on track with everyone else. Jordin Sparks debut this week only sold 48,000. Kelly sold more than that in her 3rd week. And she hasn&#039;t been steadily falling either. She&#039;s remained around that number for the past few months. There have so far only been 1 or 2 albums reach the million mark this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>noctem seizure<br />
&#8220;She&#8217;s only selling about 6,000 albums a week now (and steadily falling). At that rate it will take her until Christmas to hit 700,000.&#8221;</p>
<p>She&#8217;s still on the Billboard top 200 at number 75. And more so, no artists is selling very much right now as the industry is in a slump. The number 1 spot for this week was a debut and only sold a little over 100,000. Kelly sold over 200,000 in her AIW debut. She&#8217;s right on track with everyone else. Jordin Sparks debut this week only sold 48,000. Kelly sold more than that in her 3rd week. And she hasn&#8217;t been steadily falling either. She&#8217;s remained around that number for the past few months. There have so far only been 1 or 2 albums reach the million mark this year.</p>
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		<title>By: yeahyeahsure</title>
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		<dc:creator>yeahyeahsure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan&#039;s answer:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/29/clarksons-producer-i-would-never-dupe-kelly/
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&quot;Already Gone&quot; is one of the best song I&#039;ve written or produced since &quot;Bleeding Love&quot; and stands tall on it&#039;s own merits apart from &quot;Halo&quot;.

They are two entirely different songs conceptually, melodically, &amp; lyrically and I would never try to dupe an artist such as Kelly Clarkson or Beyonc into recording over the same musical track, the idea is both hurtful &amp; absurd.


I think when people hear &quot;Already Gone&quot; they will hear what I hear-one of the greatest female vocalists on earth giving her most haunting and heart-breaking performance on a song she helped write.

I challenge people to listen and form their own opinions.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan&#8217;s answer:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/29/clarksons-producer-i-would-never-dupe-kelly/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/29/clarksons-producer-i-would-never-dupe-kelly/</a><br />
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&#8220;Already Gone&#8221; is one of the best song I&#8217;ve written or produced since &#8220;Bleeding Love&#8221; and stands tall on it&#8217;s own merits apart from &#8220;Halo&#8221;.</p>
<p>They are two entirely different songs conceptually, melodically, &amp; lyrically and I would never try to dupe an artist such as Kelly Clarkson or Beyonc into recording over the same musical track, the idea is both hurtful &amp; absurd.</p>
<p>I think when people hear &#8220;Already Gone&#8221; they will hear what I hear-one of the greatest female vocalists on earth giving her most haunting and heart-breaking performance on a song she helped write.</p>
<p>I challenge people to listen and form their own opinions.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>By: noctem seizure</title>
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		<dc:creator>noctem seizure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hmm. I&#039;m not following the numbers closely, but the new record has sold around 600,000 after 3 months out, and the first two singles did about 2.5 million combined, IIR (just over gold for Hook, 2x platinum for Suck? And both made the Top40 top 10. The videos got good play. Already Gone is wait and see.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She&#039;s only selling about 6,000 albums a week now (and steadily falling). At that rate it will take her until Christmas to hit 700,000.

Come on! This is Kelly Freaking Clarkson we&#039;re talking about. The last album I understand was a special case, so she gets a pass for its results. But, this record was supposed to be her Britney-like comeback, when she like the phoenix rose from the ashes. It&#039;s been promoted out the wazoo, and it still is highly unlikely to even get close to platinum.

Try to spin it any way you want, but for a star of Kelly Clarkson&#039;s (former) wattage, this is a massive letdown. It shows her star has been eclipsed by new, up-and-coming ladies of pop. She&#039;s just another name in the crowded landscape of pop music, and that name will have even less lustre two years (or whenever) down the road when she puts out her next record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hmm. I&#8217;m not following the numbers closely, but the new record has sold around 600,000 after 3 months out, and the first two singles did about 2.5 million combined, IIR (just over gold for Hook, 2x platinum for Suck? And both made the Top40 top 10. The videos got good play. Already Gone is wait and see.</p></blockquote>
<p>She&#8217;s only selling about 6,000 albums a week now (and steadily falling). At that rate it will take her until Christmas to hit 700,000.</p>
<p>Come on! This is Kelly Freaking Clarkson we&#8217;re talking about. The last album I understand was a special case, so she gets a pass for its results. But, this record was supposed to be her Britney-like comeback, when she like the phoenix rose from the ashes. It&#8217;s been promoted out the wazoo, and it still is highly unlikely to even get close to platinum.</p>
<p>Try to spin it any way you want, but for a star of Kelly Clarkson&#8217;s (former) wattage, this is a massive letdown. It shows her star has been eclipsed by new, up-and-coming ladies of pop. She&#8217;s just another name in the crowded landscape of pop music, and that name will have even less lustre two years (or whenever) down the road when she puts out her next record.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyonce could have gotten a writing credit for supplying lyrics, tweaking a melody given to her by Tedder/Bogart, or even adding her personal melisma touches (Haloo-oo-oo). It doesn&#039;t rule out the apparently strong possibility that majority of the song was provided by Tedder, and that Tedder provided a very similar melody to Kelly for AG.

I don&#039;t know how any of this is Kelly&#039;s fault, beyond her &quot;daring&quot; to speak up about it now that the label has made the decision to make AG her next single. Maybe if more artists spoke up about things like this instead of submitting to their labels then we&#039;d have less crappy corporate-driven music. I mean, sure every song Stargate made sounded the same, and I guess it was good for the labels that could save money and effort by churning out those songs and reaping the profit, but that wasn&#039;t a good thing for the state of music, was it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyonce could have gotten a writing credit for supplying lyrics, tweaking a melody given to her by Tedder/Bogart, or even adding her personal melisma touches (Haloo-oo-oo). It doesn&#8217;t rule out the apparently strong possibility that majority of the song was provided by Tedder, and that Tedder provided a very similar melody to Kelly for AG.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how any of this is Kelly&#8217;s fault, beyond her &#8220;daring&#8221; to speak up about it now that the label has made the decision to make AG her next single. Maybe if more artists spoke up about things like this instead of submitting to their labels then we&#8217;d have less crappy corporate-driven music. I mean, sure every song Stargate made sounded the same, and I guess it was good for the labels that could save money and effort by churning out those songs and reaping the profit, but that wasn&#8217;t a good thing for the state of music, was it?</p>
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		<title>By: yeahyeahsure</title>
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		<dc:creator>yeahyeahsure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was added at Perez&#039; post:

&lt;em&gt;Update: A rep for Kelly&#039;s label tells us, &quot;Kelly Clarkson is a valued member of the RCA Records family, we are very proud of her album &quot;All I Ever Wanted&quot; and happily continue to promote the record and support Kelly and her music.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was added at Perez&#8217; post:</p>
<p><em>Update: A rep for Kelly&#8217;s label tells us, &#8220;Kelly Clarkson is a valued member of the RCA Records family, we are very proud of her album &#8220;All I Ever Wanted&#8221; and happily continue to promote the record and support Kelly and her music.</em></p>
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		<title>By: evelyn27</title>
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		<dc:creator>evelyn27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a thought: If Halo was already written by &quot;Ryan Tedder and Evan &quot;Kidd&quot; Bogart&quot; (ie Halo&#039;s wikipedia page) for Leona, then why the heck does Beyonce have a writing credit on the song,(Did she get that from saying &#039;I want you to make it sound like Kelly&#039;s song.&#039;?)  and since, according to an unconfirmed rumor, Ryan apparently did an interview where he said that Beyonce wanted Halo to be rearranged so that it sounded kind of like Already Gone, then how could he have given Beyonce &#039;...the same track to write to.&#039; when she didn&#039;t really &quot;write&quot; anything? Sounds to me that Kelly doesn&#039;t even know all the details to be saying things like she is. I don&#039;t think any of these people know what they are talking about. Only Ryan knows the full story and I&#039;m still waiting for him to speak in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thought: If Halo was already written by &#8220;Ryan Tedder and Evan &#8220;Kidd&#8221; Bogart&#8221; (ie Halo&#8217;s wikipedia page) for Leona, then why the heck does Beyonce have a writing credit on the song,(Did she get that from saying &#8216;I want you to make it sound like Kelly&#8217;s song.&#8217;?)  and since, according to an unconfirmed rumor, Ryan apparently did an interview where he said that Beyonce wanted Halo to be rearranged so that it sounded kind of like Already Gone, then how could he have given Beyonce &#8216;&#8230;the same track to write to.&#8217; when she didn&#8217;t really &#8220;write&#8221; anything? Sounds to me that Kelly doesn&#8217;t even know all the details to be saying things like she is. I don&#8217;t think any of these people know what they are talking about. Only Ryan knows the full story and I&#8217;m still waiting for him to speak in that.</p>
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		<title>By: JONNYSBRO</title>
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		<dc:creator>JONNYSBRO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perez Hilton is absolutely a disgusting pig. Look at how fat he was 2 years ago. He was a freaking blimp and disgusting. Perez could not even wipe Kelly&#039;s shoes or her bank account. Honestly RCA are ridiculous. Kelly is not screwing the hand that feeds her, she can go anywhere else. Being Indie is not a bad thing, TAYLOR SWIFT IS ON AN INDIE LABEL. Kelly is not a HAS BEEN but a fabulous singer. SHE SOLD 20 MILLION RECORDS. That is NOT HASBEEN IDIOTS. Will anyone beat Kelly&#039;s 13 times platinum Breakaway? NEVER NEVER NEVER. It&#039;s also not like Kelly&#039;s singles have done poorly. MY Life was a smash, while I Do Not Hook up was a modest hit. I really hope Already Gone is a total big hit and we can tell RCA TO GO F&amp;&amp;CK THEMSELVES. I want Kelly to go somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perez Hilton is absolutely a disgusting pig. Look at how fat he was 2 years ago. He was a freaking blimp and disgusting. Perez could not even wipe Kelly&#8217;s shoes or her bank account. Honestly RCA are ridiculous. Kelly is not screwing the hand that feeds her, she can go anywhere else. Being Indie is not a bad thing, TAYLOR SWIFT IS ON AN INDIE LABEL. Kelly is not a HAS BEEN but a fabulous singer. SHE SOLD 20 MILLION RECORDS. That is NOT HASBEEN IDIOTS. Will anyone beat Kelly&#8217;s 13 times platinum Breakaway? NEVER NEVER NEVER. It&#8217;s also not like Kelly&#8217;s singles have done poorly. MY Life was a smash, while I Do Not Hook up was a modest hit. I really hope Already Gone is a total big hit and we can tell RCA TO GO F&amp;&amp;CK THEMSELVES. I want Kelly to go somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
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		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;MJ - I know Kelly said this but it&#039;s not ringing true for me. Beyonce&#039;s album came out in November. In December Kelly blogged that her album was still in the mixing stages so it&#039;s not possible that it had already gone to print. I guess it&#039;s possible Kelly didn&#039;t hear Halo but it was certainly out there before her album went to print.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Kelly said she didn&#039;t hear the song until after her album went to print. I think it&#039;s quite possible that she&#039;s not one to keep up with every album that gets released--even by her so-called competition. She was a pretty busy gal at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>MJ &#8211; I know Kelly said this but it&#8217;s not ringing true for me. Beyonce&#8217;s album came out in November. In December Kelly blogged that her album was still in the mixing stages so it&#8217;s not possible that it had already gone to print. I guess it&#8217;s possible Kelly didn&#8217;t hear Halo but it was certainly out there before her album went to print.</p></blockquote>
<p>Kelly said she didn&#8217;t hear the song until after her album went to print. I think it&#8217;s quite possible that she&#8217;s not one to keep up with every album that gets released&#8211;even by her so-called competition. She was a pretty busy gal at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hmm. I&#039;m not following the numbers closely, but the new record has sold around 600,000 after 3 months out, and the first two singles did about 2.5 million combined, IIR (just over gold for Hook, 2x platinum for Suck? And both made the Top40 top 10. The videos got good play. Already Gone is wait and see.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


And even the much-maligned My December has been certified platinum in three countries (including the U.S.) and gold in two more. And the dissed single Never Again has sold 991,000 digital downloads And people don&#039;t exactly seem to hate it (although, to be fair, I suppose it&#039;s getting positive reviews from a somewhat different group of people than those who loved her other albums more, but is that really so bad?) For example, &quot;The album scored 64/100 on MetaCritic -- a site that sort of takes the average of critical reviews to come up with a score --  indicating generally positive reviews. The score is on par with her previous albums, including Thankful, that scored 62/100.&quot; (all according to Wikipedia.) 

Not to say that she is very diplomatic. She&#039;s not. But I don&#039;t really see that this stuff makes her a has-been with no taste or sense of what she&#039;s doing who ought to just shut up and do everything she&#039;s told because she&#039;s already passed her prime and has put out a series of crap albums, which seems to be where some of the conversation about the current flap is heading. 

On Tedder -- I completely understand why you&#039;d figure it&#039;s fine to repeat yourself in the very repeat-heavy pop music world. But what I don&#039;t understand is why, as a person who&#039;s brought in to do contract work with somebody else, you wouldn&#039;t think you needed to tell those &quot;cowriters&quot; that you were, in fact, starting off the writing session with the exact same track that you&#039;d used with somebody else. ... Well, I do understand -- you&#039;d figure that chances are high they&#039;d refuse to work with that track! But maybe that ought to tell you something. Tweak it a little more before you use it for a second time, for god&#039;s sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hmm. I&#8217;m not following the numbers closely, but the new record has sold around 600,000 after 3 months out, and the first two singles did about 2.5 million combined, IIR (just over gold for Hook, 2x platinum for Suck? And both made the Top40 top 10. The videos got good play. Already Gone is wait and see.</p></blockquote>
<p>And even the much-maligned My December has been certified platinum in three countries (including the U.S.) and gold in two more. And the dissed single Never Again has sold 991,000 digital downloads And people don&#8217;t exactly seem to hate it (although, to be fair, I suppose it&#8217;s getting positive reviews from a somewhat different group of people than those who loved her other albums more, but is that really so bad?) For example, &#8220;The album scored 64/100 on MetaCritic &#8212; a site that sort of takes the average of critical reviews to come up with a score &#8212;  indicating generally positive reviews. The score is on par with her previous albums, including Thankful, that scored 62/100.&#8221; (all according to Wikipedia.) </p>
<p>Not to say that she is very diplomatic. She&#8217;s not. But I don&#8217;t really see that this stuff makes her a has-been with no taste or sense of what she&#8217;s doing who ought to just shut up and do everything she&#8217;s told because she&#8217;s already passed her prime and has put out a series of crap albums, which seems to be where some of the conversation about the current flap is heading. </p>
<p>On Tedder &#8212; I completely understand why you&#8217;d figure it&#8217;s fine to repeat yourself in the very repeat-heavy pop music world. But what I don&#8217;t understand is why, as a person who&#8217;s brought in to do contract work with somebody else, you wouldn&#8217;t think you needed to tell those &#8220;cowriters&#8221; that you were, in fact, starting off the writing session with the exact same track that you&#8217;d used with somebody else. &#8230; Well, I do understand &#8212; you&#8217;d figure that chances are high they&#8217;d refuse to work with that track! But maybe that ought to tell you something. Tweak it a little more before you use it for a second time, for god&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: skippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Kelly.  She is just screwing herself. First with the Clive thing and now this. :zip_ee: I think she is just looking like a diva to be honest. I don&#039;t think she is one, it&#039;s just the way it looks.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a good idea to fight with the label. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Kelly.  She is just screwing herself. First with the Clive thing and now this. :zip_ee: I think she is just looking like a diva to be honest. I don&#8217;t think she is one, it&#8217;s just the way it looks.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea to fight with the label.</p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m unclear how the subject came up in that Canadian interview in the first place. Did Kelly spontaneously call attention to it, or did the interviewer point it out?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very good question. The matter was given its own sidebar in the article, with no context, separate and disconnected from the rest of the interview. I wondered when I first read it if perhaps she &lt;i&gt;thought&lt;/i&gt; it was &quot;off the record&quot; when she was talking about it. But she has since made a reference to it in a backstage video she made at the David Letterman show, so she doesn&#039;t seem to regret talking about it. I too would love to know what exactly prompted her to discuss it with the CBC interviewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m unclear how the subject came up in that Canadian interview in the first place. Did Kelly spontaneously call attention to it, or did the interviewer point it out?</p></blockquote>
<p>Very good question. The matter was given its own sidebar in the article, with no context, separate and disconnected from the rest of the interview. I wondered when I first read it if perhaps she <i>thought</i> it was &#8220;off the record&#8221; when she was talking about it. But she has since made a reference to it in a backstage video she made at the David Letterman show, so she doesn&#8217;t seem to regret talking about it. I too would love to know what exactly prompted her to discuss it with the CBC interviewer.</p>
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		<title>By: TwigLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>TwigLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me Ryan Teddar had a musical arrangement that he shopped to more than one artist he was working with. Both Kelly and Beyonce (or their people) bought it not knowing that it was &#039;off the rack&#039;.

It seems to me by the accounts given, that Kelly heard Beyonce&#039;s &#039;Halo&#039; and recognized the extreme similarity - same song, same composer, different lyrics. Kelly tried to head it off at the pass before the comparisons were made by media and fans.

Should she have been concerned that people might accuse her of ripping off Beyonce? I think yes. Kelly came into the spotlight from a TV show that is all about doing covers of successful mainstream artists and finding the next &#039;fill in the blank&#039; hitmaker.

I&#039;m unclear how the subject came up in that Canadian interview in the first place. Did Kelly spontaneously call attention to it, or did the interviewer point it out?

Could Kelly have handled the media aspect differently or better. Probably. Do I respect her integrity? Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me Ryan Teddar had a musical arrangement that he shopped to more than one artist he was working with. Both Kelly and Beyonce (or their people) bought it not knowing that it was &#8216;off the rack&#8217;.</p>
<p>It seems to me by the accounts given, that Kelly heard Beyonce&#8217;s &#8216;Halo&#8217; and recognized the extreme similarity &#8211; same song, same composer, different lyrics. Kelly tried to head it off at the pass before the comparisons were made by media and fans.</p>
<p>Should she have been concerned that people might accuse her of ripping off Beyonce? I think yes. Kelly came into the spotlight from a TV show that is all about doing covers of successful mainstream artists and finding the next &#8216;fill in the blank&#8217; hitmaker.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m unclear how the subject came up in that Canadian interview in the first place. Did Kelly spontaneously call attention to it, or did the interviewer point it out?</p>
<p>Could Kelly have handled the media aspect differently or better. Probably. Do I respect her integrity? Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: maturin</title>
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		<dc:creator>maturin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;
she really is getting dangerously close to, dare I say it, &#039;has-been&#039;  territory.&#039; &lt;/em&gt;

Hmm.  I&#039;m not following the numbers closely, but the new record has sold around 600,000 after 3 months out, and the first two singles did about 2.5 million combined, IIR (just over gold for Hook, 2x platinum for Suck? And both made the Top40 top 10.  The videos got good play.  Already Gone is wait and see.

It seems on Idol boards the conversation always comes back to the legendary &quot;disappointment factor&quot; that supposedly afflicts the music industry.  If the label just cares about money (no emotional factor), then this album is already a good investment for them, bringing in some solid dollars in a period of historic market lows and hitting a lot of ears.

If there is some sort of personality/emotional/brand/control war going on where RCA or her management really can&#039;t get over that she&#039;s not repeating her all time peak sales, I suppose it&#039;s possible they&#039;d get alienated, I guess? Otherwise, this doesn&#039;t make much sense as a description of an attitude that business people would have.  Ten million bucks or so in sales (even assuming, somewhat illogically, that she didn&#039;t sell more off this album) plus tour revenue is good eatin&#039; at a time when the majority of records produced are losing money.

If RCA is that emotionally fragile about it, then some other label would presumably not pass .

&lt;em&gt;My December is the only Kelly album that I actually own, and I know other people for whom that&#039;s also true. I would be a lot less interested in her today if she hadn&#039;t made *that* album . .&lt;/em&gt;

That is an interesting point.

It&#039;s not like pop artists who have a huge album generally are easily able to keep repeating that success time after time.  There&#039;s often a decline in numbers over time.  I&#039;m not sure that if Kelly did exactly what the label seems to expect --turn out copies of either past hits (based on Since U Been Gone) or other current pop hits (all things Tedder), how exactly that would lead to a repeat of &quot;Breakaway&quot; sales. 

Kelly does seem like someone with strong opinions and a streak of rashness, but I think her struggle to remain interesting and invested in her music makes at least as much sense as the label&#039;s push to repeat past formulas.

And of course, I&#039;m primarily a music listener, not a stockholder of RCA.  It is funny the Stockholm syndrome that gets a few Idol addicts to identify more closely with the viewpoints of massive international conglomerates and wealthy executives more then . . . what songs they enjoy hearing, or that a human might want to sing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><br />
she really is getting dangerously close to, dare I say it, &#8216;has-been&#8217;  territory.&#8217; </em></p>
<p>Hmm.  I&#8217;m not following the numbers closely, but the new record has sold around 600,000 after 3 months out, and the first two singles did about 2.5 million combined, IIR (just over gold for Hook, 2x platinum for Suck? And both made the Top40 top 10.  The videos got good play.  Already Gone is wait and see.</p>
<p>It seems on Idol boards the conversation always comes back to the legendary &#8220;disappointment factor&#8221; that supposedly afflicts the music industry.  If the label just cares about money (no emotional factor), then this album is already a good investment for them, bringing in some solid dollars in a period of historic market lows and hitting a lot of ears.</p>
<p>If there is some sort of personality/emotional/brand/control war going on where RCA or her management really can&#8217;t get over that she&#8217;s not repeating her all time peak sales, I suppose it&#8217;s possible they&#8217;d get alienated, I guess? Otherwise, this doesn&#8217;t make much sense as a description of an attitude that business people would have.  Ten million bucks or so in sales (even assuming, somewhat illogically, that she didn&#8217;t sell more off this album) plus tour revenue is good eatin&#8217; at a time when the majority of records produced are losing money.</p>
<p>If RCA is that emotionally fragile about it, then some other label would presumably not pass .</p>
<p><em>My December is the only Kelly album that I actually own, and I know other people for whom that&#8217;s also true. I would be a lot less interested in her today if she hadn&#8217;t made *that* album . .</em></p>
<p>That is an interesting point.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like pop artists who have a huge album generally are easily able to keep repeating that success time after time.  There&#8217;s often a decline in numbers over time.  I&#8217;m not sure that if Kelly did exactly what the label seems to expect &#8211;turn out copies of either past hits (based on Since U Been Gone) or other current pop hits (all things Tedder), how exactly that would lead to a repeat of &#8220;Breakaway&#8221; sales. </p>
<p>Kelly does seem like someone with strong opinions and a streak of rashness, but I think her struggle to remain interesting and invested in her music makes at least as much sense as the label&#8217;s push to repeat past formulas.</p>
<p>And of course, I&#8217;m primarily a music listener, not a stockholder of RCA.  It is funny the Stockholm syndrome that gets a few Idol addicts to identify more closely with the viewpoints of massive international conglomerates and wealthy executives more then . . . what songs they enjoy hearing, or that a human might want to sing.</p>
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		<title>By: madmike2276</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Keel 
Jul 29th, 2009 at 2:54 am 
As a casual Kelly fan who doesn&#039;t follow her every move, I&#039;ve got to say that all this, coupled with the stuff that&#039;s happened before with My December and the air-brushing stuff, etc. , gives the impression that Kelly&#039;s a bit of a drama queen. I mean even if you start out being on her side on the Clive/My December crappola, at some point it gets tiresome having to listen to the poor little rich pop princess complaining about how her label keeps mistreating her. As someone above said, it&#039;s pop music, not high art. Yet every time I hear about her in the news, it&#039;s all about how she&#039;s fighting for her music against the big bad record label. She&#039;s like the victimest victim that&#039;s ever been victim&#039;d. Are we still expected to fist-pump and yell, you go Kelly every.single.time this happens? It&#039;s starting to feel kind of manipulative frankly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pop music is just as artistic as any other form of music and should not be dimissed.  I sincerely hope that you are trying to be &quot;ironic&quot; with your statement about Kelly being the &quot;victimest victim that&#039;s ever been victim&#039;d&quot;.  Kelly was not biting the hand that feeds her, she was fighting for control of her music, her image, her art.  Essentially that tool Clive Davis was forcing her to stand up and perform these songs, be the face of music that she did not believe in.  Then when Kelly stood up for herself, what does Clive do?  He does what every power hungry controller does, he single handedly killed the project.  Never Again was doing ok and moving up the charts until the controversy about the My December album came out, and Clive in his bitter anger pretty much stated that the album is dark, it contained no radio hits, yada yada yada...thus, radio did not feel compelled to play the singles from the album.   The fact that &quot;Sober&quot; was not a huge hit is a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Keel<br />
Jul 29th, 2009 at 2:54 am<br />
As a casual Kelly fan who doesn&#8217;t follow her every move, I&#8217;ve got to say that all this, coupled with the stuff that&#8217;s happened before with My December and the air-brushing stuff, etc. , gives the impression that Kelly&#8217;s a bit of a drama queen. I mean even if you start out being on her side on the Clive/My December crappola, at some point it gets tiresome having to listen to the poor little rich pop princess complaining about how her label keeps mistreating her. As someone above said, it&#8217;s pop music, not high art. Yet every time I hear about her in the news, it&#8217;s all about how she&#8217;s fighting for her music against the big bad record label. She&#8217;s like the victimest victim that&#8217;s ever been victim&#8217;d. Are we still expected to fist-pump and yell, you go Kelly every.single.time this happens? It&#8217;s starting to feel kind of manipulative frankly.</p></blockquote>
<p>Pop music is just as artistic as any other form of music and should not be dimissed.  I sincerely hope that you are trying to be &#8220;ironic&#8221; with your statement about Kelly being the &#8220;victimest victim that&#8217;s ever been victim&#8217;d&#8221;.  Kelly was not biting the hand that feeds her, she was fighting for control of her music, her image, her art.  Essentially that tool Clive Davis was forcing her to stand up and perform these songs, be the face of music that she did not believe in.  Then when Kelly stood up for herself, what does Clive do?  He does what every power hungry controller does, he single handedly killed the project.  Never Again was doing ok and moving up the charts until the controversy about the My December album came out, and Clive in his bitter anger pretty much stated that the album is dark, it contained no radio hits, yada yada yada&#8230;thus, radio did not feel compelled to play the singles from the album.   The fact that &#8220;Sober&#8221; was not a huge hit is a crime.</p>
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