Ryan Tedder Responds to the Kelly Clarkson “Already Gone”/”Halo” controversy

Update: Tedder deleted the blog entry…Hm… I’ll bet somebody asked him to take it down. Neither Kelly nor her label have commented. Perhaps TPTB are attempting to keep a lid on this so it dies a quick death on the news cycle…

Since I helped start the brouhaha, I guess I better follow up on it!

Ryan Tedder responds on his Myspace to the Kelly Clarkson “Already Gone”/Halo controversy from Europe, where he is vacationing:

Hey everyone, Ryan here. So…..i’m in Europe on vacation with my wife yesterday when I get a flurry of emails with links to gossip sites and media outlets saying “Kelly clarkson throws producer Ryan Tedder under the bus re: Already Gone” etc etc etc… Alleging that I copied myself or “pulled a fast one” on Kelly Clarkson. This couldn’t be farther from the truth and the whole thing is absurd….however, I need to actually read what the hell is going on, make a call or 2, and be fully informed of it, then I assure you I will have a proper, respectful response. I don’t take allegations of this nature lightly- ESPECIALLY when it’s in regards to artists I respect and admire. Nor do I let things like this go unaddressed. So, give me a minute, and I’ll tell u whatsup and what really happened, or in this case, “didn’t” happen.

More will be revealed, I’m sure…

  • yeahyeahsure

    I think this is going to go in one of two extreme ways ‘“ either the song blows up because of all the publicity being generated or this will further strain Kelly’s relationship with RCA and RCA will stop the support for this album completely. I’m hoping for the former.

  • wand3rful

    regardless of the she said, he said……bottom line, Tedder is responsible for BOTH songs and the backtracks are identical. so what gives? is he lazy and uncreative? does he have questionable work ethics? did the record company pull a fast one on both Tedder and Kelly? should be of no surprise Kelly is pissed…its her album, she should have had the final say so over this particular matter.

  • washpd

    What possible motive would RCA have to stop supporting Kelly’s album at this point? They want to make as much money as possible from it.

    I am open to hearing what Ryan has to say, but the evidence appears pretty damning at this point that he screwed up.

  • leome

    I wonder if he has something to say about Battlefield too… I’d like to hear about that one.

  • IdolThoughts

    Kelly SHOULD be pissed. She will come out of this smelling like a rose. It is obvious that she had NO idea. He is the common link between Kelly and Beyonce. So…um…it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I mean, what other explanation is out there?

  • http://www.youtube.com/thenovicepianist TNP

    IMO I think this has been blown out of proportion. The only issue I see is Ryan making two eerily similar songs, and it’s not like we can’t find songs that have the same feel. They have different chord progressions, different (enough) melodies, for two completely different artists. I see this as a minor misstep on Ryan’s part, but I can’t look at it as if he sold the same song twice.

  • suebrody

    I would never have noticed the similarity with the backtrack unless it was pointed out to me (now I do, of course). But I like AG better than Halo, so I could care less. Kelly needs to keep quiet at this point, however, IMO…

  • abbysee

    Kelly needs to keep quiet at this point, however, IMO’ ¦

    Respectfully, why? Evidently, she thinks that something went wrong, somewhere, why should she not address it?

  • AC

    I still think any publicity is good publicity. Suprisingly, I’ve already heard “Already Gone” on the radio before the controversy and this will just make people want to listen to it more and hear it for themselves. I think that’s probably why the label or even Kelly’s management is not speaking out about this right now- they want people to keep talking about it so that it can drive up sales and airplay. When Tedder does talk about it, can he also address why the beginning of If I Can’t Have You sounds like the beginning of Fly on the Wall!

    Also, I don’t think this is going to really hurt Kelly at all. I saw freaking Chris Brown back on the top 10 singles of Itunes and what he did was bad. If he can get back on the charts, Kelly has nothing to worry about.

  • will

    So, give me a minute, and I’ll tell u whatsup and what really happened, or in this case, ‘didn’t’  happen.

    On the one hand he says he needs time to find out what he’s being accused of (although how long does it take to read MJ’s Post article?), but then he assures us that whatever it is, it didn’t happen?

    If he wants to inform himself, I hope he doesn’t read Lindsey Parker’s account:

    http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/249158/kelly-clarksons-new-single-controversy-all-she-never-wanted/

    I believe she has managed to muddy the waters with the false claim that Kelly tried to keep the song off the album —

    She told Canada’s CBC that she battled to keep the ballad from being included on All I Ever Wanted after she realized it bore an uncanny resemblance to Beyonce’s “Halo”

    — which was never said in the CBC interview, just that she didn’t want it released as a single:

    The palpably frustrated Clarkson claims she ‘fought and fought’  to try and prevent her label from releasing Already Gone as her third single, out of respect for Beyonce.

    This is all messy enough without Kelly being misquoted.

  • suebrody

    Well, I guess I am still confused about all of this. Did Kelly get upset that it was released before or after Ryan Tedder spoke out? Was she forced to release it as her 3rd single? Why did she agree to do the video if she didn’t want the single to be released? I like the track a lot (not the video), and it’s already being used for SYTYCD’s swan song, so, I wonder what she thinks of the song in general and even the album (didn’t she co-write this track?). And is this the way for her to leave RCA for good?

  • AC

    I also don’t think RCA would let her go because she is still selling and making money for the label. That do not want her as a money-maker going to another label, in which any one of them would probably be happy to have her.

  • http://absinthedreamers.blogspot.com/ Starrlight

    At the end of the day it’s on Tedder if they sound alike since, like duh, he wrote them. Personally I think all of his stuff sounds a like, with this “coincidence” seeming more obvious due to the timing of the song releases. He’s like the horse of another color in the Wizard of Oz. Sure one is purple and one is pink…but they are both horses.

  • Kitwana

    Ryan Tedder is 1,000,000 times more important to Sony/RCA than Kelly Clarkson. I would not be surprised if Kelly issued a statement in the next day or so claiming that she was misquoted (or that her statements were taken out of context) and apologizing to Tedder, Beyonce and RCA for the confusion. It is coming…

  • adamland

    TNP Jul 28th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    IMO I think this has been blown out of proportion. The only issue I see is Ryan making two eerily similar songs, and it’s not like we can’t find songs that have the same feel. They have different chord progressions, different (enough) melodies, for two completely different artists. I see this as a minor misstep on Ryan’s part, but I can’t look at it as if he sold the same song twice.

    This. A lot of music today is similar in sound, plus when you have a songwriter with so much music out there things are going to start sounding similar. I think Timbaland has the same thing going on with his music. Kelly was better off not saying anything publicly especially after the mess of My December and it would be different if that album had been a mega hit, which it wasn’t. So so far her public outbursts IMO are 1-0, this may end up 2-1 with the Tedder case but I think she lost on the My December outburst as the buying public did not particularly love it and her initial arena tour to support it was cancelled due to very poor ticket sales. She played much smaller venues later on to support it.

  • Daniel B

    The more I think about it, the less I think Ryan deserves any blame for this.

    Kelly could have written her own music for this. Instead she went the ‘hired gun’ route and pulled Ryan in for songwriting duties. Why? Because he’s a good songwriter with a proven track record of success. He has a distinctive style, there’s no denying it, and whether you love it or hate it his songs have many similarities to each other.

    He was hired to write a hit if possible because of his sound, not in spite of it. How can you fault him for doing what he was supposed to do (ie; writing a Ryan Tedder song)?

    The song sounds like another song… big deal.

    Kelly should have had the power with RCA to say “I don’t want this song to be the next single, and here’s why” but RCA overrode her and released it anyway. That’s uncool, but what really seems out of line is instead of having a private, quiet conversation with RCA about the single Kelly came out publicly and it is very uncool to trash Ryan Tedder just for doing what he was hired to do. His response is actually very civil so far, and I have respect for that, but I have to think he’d be furious that his name as a songwriter is being unfairly dragged through the mud.

  • Squirrely

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    # 14 Kitwana Jul 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Ryan Tedder is 1,000,000 times more important to Sony/RCA than Kelly Clarkson. I would not be surprised if Kelly issued a statement in the next day or so claiming that she was misquoted and apologizing to Tedder, Beyonce and RCA for the confusion. It is coming’ ¦

    Probably. I like Kelly, but this should not have been handled in the media. These are pop tunes, (and frankly this is one of the better songs on her album), no one is analyzing them like a work of art. This situation has gotten way bigger than it needed to be and I’m sure Beyonce don’t even care. I really hope Kelly can handle what happens next, it could be bad….or maybe nothing at all.

  • wand3rful

    Kelly could have written her own music for this. Instead she went the ‘hired gun’ route and pulled Ryan in for songwriting duties.

    if it was up to kelly, im sure she would have written all/most her songs, but considering the hoopla surrounding My December and now this song, i think its safe to say RCA is the main bytch in charge

    im curious what beyonce’s (real) role was in all of this…

  • Squirrely

    im curious what beyonce’s (real) role was in all of this’ ¦

    Simple – sing a song that was presented to her and once it ran its course sing another one – which is what Kelly should have done. Now she’s in a mess.

  • adamland

    wand3rful Jul 28th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Kelly could have written her own music for this. Instead she went the ‘hired gun’ route and pulled Ryan in for songwriting duties.

    if it was up to kelly, im sure she would have written all/most her songs, but considering the hoopla surrounding My December and now this song, i think its safe to say RCA is the main bytch in charge

    im curious what beyonce’s (real) role was in all of this’ ¦

    Well, sales wise she failed to sweep the public off their feet with My December and she made the hoopla herself.

  • hypertwink

    Beyonce doesn’t care since she released Halo first. Kelly has a right to be pissed since Ryan Tedder is a hack. And Ryan Tedder looks to be stalling until he can come up with an appropriate CYA.

  • lola

    Yap. RCA is having all the fun with this mess. Kelly’s Already Gone is getting more airplays.

  • jack5791

    I really like this song and hope all of the press doesn’t completely screw the song. I see this as her new “Because of You” kind of, with a little more edge I guess. I think it could do well, I just hope the negativity doesn’t mess that up!

  • evelyn27

    Daniel B Jul 28th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    The more I think about it, the less I think Ryan deserves any blame for this.

    Kelly could have written her own music for this. Instead she went the ‘hired gun’ route and pulled Ryan in for songwriting duties. Why? Because he’s a good songwriter with a proven track record of success. He has a distinctive style, there’s no denying it, and whether you love it or hate it his songs have many similarities to each other.

    He was hired to write a hit if possible because of his sound, not in spite of it. How can you fault him for doing what he was supposed to do (ie; writing a Ryan Tedder song)?

    The song sounds like another song’ ¦ big deal.

    Kelly should have had the power with RCA to say ‘I don’t want this song to be the next single, and here’s why’  but RCA overrode her and released it anyway. That’s uncool, but what really seems out of line is instead of having a private, quiet conversation with RCA about the single Kelly came out publicly and it is very uncool to trash Ryan Tedder just for doing what he was hired to do. His response is actually very civil so far, and I have respect for that, but I have to think he’d be furious that his name as a songwriter is being unfairly dragged through the mud.

    Exactly. :thumbup_tb:

  • Q3

    I don’t think that we know the whole story about this. If there really is an issue of the two songs being “the same”, Kelly should have talked to Ryan Tedder about it first.

    I’ll reserve judgment on this until I hear Ryan’s response.

    From a PR standpoint, however, Kelly just doesn’t look that good. I’ll also bet there are some folks at RCA who are not very happy with Kelly right now.

    IMO I think this has been blown out of proportion. The only issue I see is Ryan making two eerily similar songs, and it’s not like we can’t find songs that have the same feel. They have different chord progressions, different (enough) melodies, for two completely different artists. I see this as a minor misstep on Ryan’s part, but I can’t look at it as if he sold the same song twice.

    I agree. There is a difference between similar and the same. No doubt there are similarities but they aren’t the same song.

  • dv

    Ryan deleted the blog.

  • noctem seizure

    I saw freaking Chris Brown back on the top 10 singles of Itunes and what he did was bad.

    That’s because of the youtube of the wedding party that marched down the aisle to his song. That clip has been viewed almost ten million times in about eight days. The song ,”Forever”, is around two years old, so the video having gone viral is the only reason the song is charting on Itunes….

    As for Kelly, she’s rapidly approaching Clay Aiken territory. She seems to be constantly at odds with her label. That was fine when she was cranking out multiplatinum albums. But, her last two efforts can’t even seem to go three-quarter platinum. And this record, unlike My December, has received boffo promo.

    The more time that passes since “Breakaway”, her last hit record, the less force there is behind the brand name “Kelly Clarkson”. Since AI artists’ sales, in particular, tend to soften as time goes on, (beyond the general erosion of sales in the industry overall), I anticipate that her next album will have trouble going gold.

    So far, she’s still getting radio play because of her name. And she probably could count on that for the future if she was willing to join the ranks of this new breed of “singles artists”. But, her and RCA seem to have divergent creative visions, so it’s probably best for her to fulfill her contract and then part ways with them.

  • http://musicgoesforever.blogspot.com samgamgee

    It’s good that this has come out in public because I’m tired of hearing many people saying that both songs sound the same. At least, they will have the real scoop behind all this drama and won’t simply dismiss Kelly as unoriginal or a music thief.

    To all people out there, this song was written before Halo and Kelly shared some credits to it. Kelly’s both an amazing songwriter and singer. She has so much respect to her music that she would go through the lengths of defending it.

  • will

    Ryan deleted the blog.

    TOO LATE!!! :devil_tb:

  • wand3rful

    Well, sales wise she failed to sweep the public off their feet with My December and she made the hoopla herself.

    i recall it was critically received well, but it didn’t translate to sales….however, i am not one to put down an album just bc its not getting radio air play or is missing from iTunes top downloads. have you guys seen the charts lately? not a lot of high quality stuff out there, yet it makes money (boggles the mind that we do live in a society where paris hilton is a celebrity and miley cyrus is considered a singer LOL). anyhoo, yes, she is outspoken but i applaud that she wants to fight as an artist for her music. dont pay me any attention, im a bit jaded…ive ran into too many d-bag producers, writters, music people as an LA native.

  • http://musicgoesforever.blogspot.com samgamgee

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again. My December is ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS THIS DECADE. I’d rank it high along with U2’s No Line on the Horizon, Radiohead’s In Rainbows and Switchfoot’s Oh Gravity. The reason why it didn’t do well is because it’s too high-flown and high quality for the public’s poor, mediocre tastes. The girls who loved Breakaway weren’t ready and mature enough to embrace a darker, more mature, more meaningful sound which is a shame because it’s the main reason why music is crappy these days. I salute Kelly for taking risks and not compromising on her third album because it shows how credible she is as an artist. In fact, in her recent concert, she said she’d do a bluesy album if only the record company would support her. Sadly that won’t happen because again, the society’s aesthetic tastes have gone down the drain.

  • hypertwink

    Ryan deleted the blog.

    I wonder why. Did the spanking hurt that much?

  • Sherena

    I wonder if he has something to say about Battlefield too’ ¦ I’d like to hear about that one.

    Same here.

  • maturin

    RYAN TEDDER: She what??!! Girl, HOLD MY WEAVE!!!

    Goes for Kelly. Of course, she’s gonna kick his tiny ass with her Texas boots, but still . . . American Idol slap fest on deck, yay!

  • whyso

    Kitwana
    Jul 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
    Ryan Tedder is 1,000,000 times more important to Sony/RCA than Kelly Clarkson. I would not be surprised if Kelly issued a statement in the next day or so claiming that she was misquoted (or that her statements were taken out of context) and apologizing to Tedder, Beyonce and RCA for the confusion. It is coming’ ¦

    Interesting. Now I’m intrigued…can’t wait to see what happens.

  • http://musicgoesforever.blogspot.com samgamgee

    Ryan Tedder is 1,000,000 times more important to Sony/RCA than Kelly Clarkson.

    True because RCA is a money-hungry business who neither cares for music nor its artists.

    I think Kelly is better off with an indie lable who would respect her artistry and musicality.

  • weareallinnocent

    I love My December. All I Ever Wanted, not so much.

    Deleting the blog says more to me than the blog itself (and probably anything else he comes up with to say later.) Thanks MJ. :-)

  • champ

    my guess, now that he deleted the entry, is that he just starts acting clueless about the entire controversy.

  • lucy

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again. My December is ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS THIS DECADE. I’d rank it high along with U2’s No Line on the Horizon, Radiohead’s In Rainbows and Switchfoot’s Oh Gravity. The reason why it didn’t do well is because it’s too high-flown and high quality for the public’s poor, mediocre tastes.

    Well, I’m not sure I think it’s *this* good — but I agree that it’s a darned good album. And, in fact, wasn’t a single doing pretty well until Clive decided to step in and trash Kelly over the album? Seems to me that was the history. So we don’t actually even know how well it could have done had the label actually supporting it instead of dissing it and tossing it aside because it wasn’t the exact same thing as they’d had success with before. That’s why Clive tried to kill the album and certainly succeeded in stopping *some* momentum (although maybe it would have been minor momentum). Once somebody does something that succeeds, as Kelly had done previously, they’re pretty much only willing to support them if they go on doing the exact same thing in the future, since it’s a “proven moneymaker,” seems to me.

    Wonder why he took down the blog??

  • thesheriff

    kelly kelly kelly….

    she’s my fav idol…but this is alittle annoying. though i thought it was out of respect to beyonce she didn’t want it released. that’s admirable i suppose.

    but really – hell, reggae music all sounds the same to me so who cares kelly? if it sounds good, do it! how bout just have a new genre…”tedder”. we can have more charts and stuff to analyze. joy.

  • abbysee

    Noctem you are very knowledgeable and I don’t usually question your comments because it so above my paygrade. When you compare Clay Aiken and any disagreement he may have had with his record company to what Kelly is going through, that is when I have to say, seriously? I mean I know they both come from a cheesy ass show but the very idea that Clay had any real reason to even question anyone is just beyond me. Now if the idea is to just stfu and sing, then they might as well have trained seals do it. Furthermore, Aiken writes almost none of his material so what qualms would he have just showing up and doing as he was told. Kelly on the other hand does have a track record of success as a songwriter along with an almost peerless voice. Furthermore, the record that he say was his vision, and what he wanted to do failed, then he blamed it on Clive. At least Kelly had the integrity to say that she knew My December was risky, but she didn’t point fingers when it ‘failed’. Now she did it their way, and the results are similar, I am not sure who should be in control.

    The thing nobody seems to be getting is not that she didn’t like the song, or anything like that, but that she didn’t want it to be released as a single. She thought that since there was another song that shared some glaring similarities that perhaps another song would be more appropriate. I guess this is another slap on the wrist to show who who is in charge, and it’s certainly not the artist/songwriter. That may go down easily for many, but not for me.

  • abbysee

    Well, I’m not sure I think it’s *this* good ‘” but I agree that it’s a darned good album. And, in fact, wasn’t a single doing pretty well until Clive decided to step in and trash Kelly over the album? Seems to me that was the history. So we don’t actually even know how well it could have done had the label actually supporting it instead of dissing it and tossing it aside because it wasn’t the exact same thing as they’d had success with before. That’s why Clive tried to kill the album and certainly succeeded in stopping *some* momentum

    That is exactly how I saw that situation too.

  • windmills

    “And, in fact, wasn’t a single doing pretty well until Clive decided to step in and trash Kelly over the album?”

    No, it wasn’t. It got off to a very fast start like you’d expect for the follow up to a huge album but the callout research numbers came back and they weren’t good. Kelly worked hard singing Never Again all over the place but pop radio listeners just weren’t into it. I’m not surprised. NA was not that radio friendly because it didn’t have that great hook.

    Me I liked the ballads on My December but IMO the uptempos were a mess. Even the one that Kelly DID write with professional songwriters (One Minute which she wrote with Kara Dioguardi and Raine Maida).

  • BootStar

    how bout just have a new genre’ ¦’ tedder’ . we can have more charts and stuff to analyze. joy.

    BWAH! That’s brilliant. And there can be music critics who write in-depth articles about how Classic Tedders were often “inspired by” the very worship tunes Ryan grew up singing in church.

    From One Republic’s MySpace:

    OneRepublic considers its music to be influenced by everyone from the Beatles to U2, and anything in between. “We’re no respector of genre,” says frontman Tedder, “If it’s a good song or a good artist whether rock, pop, indie or hip hop, they’ve probably influenced us on some level…nothing’s new under the sun, we’re a sum of a bunch of parts.” They aspire to move their listeners the way Bono does onstage. ‘You go to a U2 concert and it’s like church,’  Tedder says. ‘I’d love to make people feel like that. I don’t want someone to just say, ‘Oh, nice voice, nice song.’ I want that person to walk away and feel like he or she has had a religious experience; we want them to feel moved.’ 

  • noctem seizure

    The thing nobody seems to be getting is not that she didn’t like the song, or anything like that, but that she didn’t want it to be released as a single.

    Then why didn’t she fight to keep it off the album, though? As an artist, you know any song that makes your record could potentially be sent to radio.

    When you compare Clay Aiken and any disagreement he may have had with his record company to what Kelly is going through, that is when I have to say, seriously? I mean I know they both come from a cheesy ass show but the very idea that Clay had any real reason to even question anyone is just beyond me. Now if the idea is to just stfu and sing, then they might as well have trained seals do it.

    I’m not saying that artists have to STFU and sing, but it certainly gives you leverage to do and be more than that when you can move units. Kelly can’t do that anymore it seems. So, the comparison to Clay is two-fold– like he was near the end of his RCA tenure, she is an artist with steadily-declining sales who also nonetheless still continues to cause headaches for the label.

    Now the one thing she has going for herself that he didn’t in those days is that she still gets radio play– for now. However, this album has thus far failed to materialize as the one that would restore her pop supremacy. In fact, I don’t know how it can be characterized as anything other than a disappointment at this point, even with the instant success of “Suck”.

    And radio stations won’t continue to spin your songs off your name alone, forever. Eventually, when they sense that you’re no longer a hot property, they’ll start giving your spins to someone who is.

    Anyway, this makes two straight eras since Kelly’s last hit record. I would say that there is perception that she’s “yesterday’s news”, except that I don’t think she’s sufficiently dented pop cultural consciousness in the last half of this decade that people even have even thought about her enough to have had any perception about about her at all. And that fact signifies that she really is getting dangerously close to, dare I say it, “has-been” territory.

  • hardkandy

    Then why didn’t she fight to keep it off the album, though? As an artist, you know any song that makes your record could potentially be sent to radio.

    Because she didn’t know of Halo around that time. She even said she loved this song and probably would’ve loved it to be released as a single if not for Halo already being out there. She said she didn’t want to release it out of respect for Beyonce and of course she didn’t want people thinking she ripped Beyonce off when in fact AG was created long before Halo.

  • windmills

    “Anyway, this makes two straight eras since Kelly’s last hit record. I would say that there is perception that she’s ‘yesterday’s news’ , except that I don’t think she’s sufficiently dented pop cultural consciousness in the last half of this decade that people even have even thought about her enough to have had any perception about about her at all. And that fact signifies that she really is getting dangerously close to, dare I say it, ‘has-been’  territory.”

    I disagree. For better and worse Kelly is denting pop culture consciousness as the girl who keeps thumbing her nose at her label. Plus her record plus digital download sales are not has been territory yet. She scored a big hit with My Life Would Suck Without You so it really hasn’t been that long.

    Kelly’s probably losing some of that spunky girl next door likeability that she had her first 2 albums and no doubt that’ll cost her some sales. Her pop queen days are probably over but they weren’t going to last forever anyway. IMO she’s got a big enough core fanbase plus enough casual fans who’ll pick up her album if they hear something they like on the internet that she’ll avoid has been territory for the foreseeable future. I’m not saying I like or agree with everything she’s done but IMO she’s in a solid position career wise.

  • eyin

    Chris Brown’s “With You” and Beyonce’s “Irreplaceable” used the same backing track. Also Ne-Yo’s “Sexy Love” is the same as his duet with Rihanna “Hate That I Love You”. But all those songs did very well.

    I say Kelly should’ve kept this to herself and just went along with it. She’s still promoting the song and singing it anyway. If she was unhappy about it being released without her consent, I don’t need to know that.

  • http://musicgoesforever.blogspot.com samgamgee

    Anyway, this makes two straight eras since Kelly’s last hit record. I would say that there is perception that she’s ‘yesterday’s news’ , except that I don’t think she’s sufficiently dented pop cultural consciousness in the last half of this decade that people even have even thought about her enough to have had any perception about about her at all. And that fact signifies that she really is getting dangerously close to, dare I say it, ‘has-been’  territory.’ 

    Really? Didn’t you know that she was recently awarded in World Women’s Award in the merits of “co-founding a genre”? I know it’s a bit of a stretch but she’s one of the biggest artists this decade. Many reviews on both the album and her concerts predict that Kelly is here to stay ten, twenty years from now.

    And besides, it’s not like she wanted to be on top all the time. If she did, she would have gone the Britney, Beyonce route wearing skimpy bikinis or whathaveyou and singing totally generic pop songs. No, she has a vision for herself, even if that means she falls of the mainstream radar. Popularity is not important to her, at least not as important as musical integrity. IMO, she belongs with those great artists Janis Joplin, Leonard Cohen, Radiohead more than the fickle world of pop music.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I don’t really love the stuff Ryan Tedder writes for others. I think he’s a good pop songwriter, and I suppose it works. But I did love the One Republic album and I think he keeps his best material for himself. He obviously has a style, just like the other songwriters that produce pop hits do. Really, I think Kelly was a little off the mark here in her criticism. She’s in the generic pop-rock game, so why quibble? If she wants to go indie, she’s rich enough to do so. I wouldn’t be shocked if this was a publicity stunt. I would also think she could have afforded Tedder the respect to tell him she was going to diss him. Kinda shocked she said she did and he seemed blind sighted. Something isn’t adding up…

  • penzap

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-07-28-kellys-contract-with-clive-may-be-already-gone

    Kelly’s Contract With Clive May Be Already Gone

    Damn! This just proves that you don’t bite off the hand that gave you a record deal!

    Sources reveal exclusively to PerezHilton.com that Kelly Clarkson’s record label is super pissed about the original American Idol shooting off her mouth about the drama surrounding her latest single, Already Gone.

    And she might pay for it big time!

    The story we’re hearing is similar to Kelly’s – she did, in fact, request that the song not be released as a single and the label denied this request. However, it was more a of a “do or die” situation for Clarkson, as the label actually told her that if they weren’t allowed to release the single, they would be “done” with the album. No more money for videos, no more singles, no more promotion.

    They compromised, releasing the single but allowing Kelly only to perform it acoustically (and re-arranged) in concert and on TV – her desire.

    Now, because she opened her trap, the label is returning to their original threat and will attempt to kill the album, meaning ” no more promo, no more singles, no more money into it.” This might signal the end of Kelly Clarkson’s relationship with Clive Davis, adding a more “cooperative ” (aka naive) pop/rocker to the roster, like current Idol season finalist Alison Irehita.

    Poor Kelly. Sucks to be her!

    Have another donut, sweetie!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Er, Clive isn’t in the picture any more is he? And what would Allison Irahita [sic] have to do with Kelly? She’s on a different label. She doesn’t work with Clive either.

    Perez is full of shit.

  • noctem seizure

    I disagree. For better and worse Kelly is denting pop culture consciousness as the girl who keeps thumbing her nose at her label.

    And nobody cares. Seriously, I’m not being flip. But, Kelly may be impressing her fans with her gumption, but the music-buying/ music-listening public honestly doesn’t give a crap about her career dramas. Especially, if her music isn’t out there to be mass-consumed, which soon it won’t be, if she continues on her current track….

  • Tess

    I love Kelly’s voice and do enjoy her singing but I need to take issue with a lot of the decisions she has made and continues to make.

    This little “spat” should never have left the boardroom at RCA..never ever. Kelly is doing a disservice to her label, the people that have supported her, Beyonce, Ryan Tedder, and the music buying public. No matter what she thinks or feels the issue is, it shouldn’t be for public consumption.

    I agree Halo and Kelly’s song sound very much alike to my untrained ears. But then I think that many of Tedder’s songs are very very similar. But for the general public to pull out every one of his songs and to “find” some other song that he, according to them, obviously plagerized is a journey into futility. I am sure that someone with a damn good ear could take a dozen songs off of the top 40 and find music from the past that resembles it. My trivia laden brain is so full of music from the last 50 years that if I were to write a song I am sure that I would unintentionally steal a sound from another song.

    I listen to so many albums where the songs contained on the CD are eerily similar to each other. We have all experienced that.

    As I have said before, Kelly needs to take her millions, buy out her contract and go on hiatus for a bit until she figures out who Kelly is and who Kelly wants to be. She is no longer the pop princess “queen” and she looks and acts very disinterested, IMHO, when she is singing a lot of her current stuff. I am sure she can stay in the top tier of the business, but only if she finds something that will suit her persona…until then she is walking a very slippery slope. My advice to Kelly is to keep her mouth shut…she continually tries to divert blame and she just cries “wolf” to often these days.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Then why didn’t she fight to keep it off the album, though? As an artist, you know any song that makes your record could potentially be sent to radio.

    Kelly didn’t hear “Halo” until after her album went to print. It was too late, then to have it removed. She loved the song. But at the time she recorded it for her album, she thought it was unique.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I hate Perez Hilton. I think he’s an asshole of the highest order, and I wish peeps would quit paying attention to him.

    Kelly needs to embrace being a pop star or go indie. The whole “I want credibility but I’m willing to trade that in for radio hits” yet then complain about it is really wearing thin.

  • madmike2276

    #1. Very few, if any of us know what Kelly’s contract with RCA stipulates, and what if any control she has over the material that is released. So the comments about Kelly “should have written her own music” is a moot point. BTW…she wrote the lyrics to the song and used what she thought was an original composition from Tedder.

    #2 As for Kelly looking “disinterested”. I don’t get that from her. I do get that she gives 100% in all he performances IN SPITE of Backhanded support from her label. They support the commerical product, and NOT Kelly. So it is easy to see why Kelly would feel the way she does. *IF* she did feel disinterested, thank RCA.

    #3 It is clear, and has been clear since she wanted to release My December as is, that the label would punish her. Kelly’s dispute helped her image, but she lost the war because without support from the label, and the backhanded deals major labels make with radio, you see the results, a very good album that underperformed sales wise. Had RCA just shut up and let her release the album without putting the whammy on it by driving home the point that there were no commerical hits on it, it would have done better. If the label publically states there are no strong radio hits on it why would radio programmers bother to play it? They have their excuse created for them.

    In this instance, Kelly had every right to voice her concern, RCA, Beyone and Tedder would receive little of the harsh criticism, but Kelly would be lit on fire if and when the press started putting it all together. She was correct, people would question her artistic integrity, which would diminish her hard work.

    So, speak your mind Kelly. As much as RCA has helped you, they’ve also backed the bus over you more times than necessary.

  • d. b. cooper

    Kelly’s record company has about as much imagination and foresight as, well, something that has absolutely no imagination or foresight. A brick, maybe. They’ve got something wonderful and all they can see is the quick buck. They weren’t happy with her last album, everyone knew that, yet it still went platinum (more than you can say for the new one). I hope they do drop her, if they don’t the creative meddling will never stop. Watch her sign with another major, make the album she wants to make without Tedder and Dioguardi, and have continued success.

  • breakdown

    It’s not like Kelly has a family to support. Let her make her stand if that’s what she wants.

  • terps

    I love Kelly, but she really needs to stop biteing the hands that feed her

  • carolinacharms

    Whitney is back, and Clive has returned to his throne.

    Oh, the deliciousness of it all!

    Hey, Ryan! Even a tone-deaf ninja turtle can hear the “similarities.” So, nice try, eh?

  • Keel

    As a casual Kelly fan who doesn’t follow her every move, I’ve got to say that all this, coupled with the stuff that’s happened before with My December and the air-brushing stuff, etc. , gives the impression that Kelly’s a bit of a drama queen. I mean even if you start out being on her side on the Clive/My December crappola, at some point it gets tiresome having to listen to the poor little rich pop princess complaining about how her label keeps mistreating her. As someone above said, it’s pop music, not high art. Yet every time I hear about her in the news, it’s all about how she’s fighting for her music against the big bad record label. She’s like the victimest victim that’s ever been victim’d. Are we still expected to fist-pump and yell, you go Kelly every.single.time this happens? It’s starting to feel kind of manipulative frankly.

  • Sherena

    Well, I’m not sure I think it’s *this* good ‘” but I agree that it’s a darned good album. And, in fact, wasn’t a single doing pretty well until Clive decided to step in and trash Kelly over the album? Seems to me that was the history. So we don’t actually even know how well it could have done had the label actually supporting it instead of dissing it and tossing it aside because it wasn’t the exact same thing as they’d had success with before. That’s why Clive tried to kill the album and certainly succeeded in stopping *some* momentum

    I completely agree. And Clive didn’t kill some of the momentum, he killed nearly all of it. What was that, an ego explosion? Because no matter how many times I look back at it, I don’t see how it benefited the label at all, not to mention Kelly.

    I don’t think Kelly’s a drama queen at all. She’s honest and a bit headstrong. I see her as conflicted, because she cares about her artisty but at the same time can’t quite let go of her pop success. But IMO it’s time of her to find another label that can help her reconcile both and be supportive and respectful of her.

  • lucy

    Then why didn’t she fight to keep it off the album, though? As an artist, you know any song that makes your record could potentially be sent to radio.

    Didn’t she say that the album was already being printed when she found out, and that it was too late?

    On My December — I didn’t know the thing about the single not testing well (of course, I’m a little skeptical about how much “testing well” means — Elliott’s recent single tested *extremely* well and got a couple of the most major pre-radio-play plaudits that any song can get — and yet nobody played it! So it wouldn’t surprise me — in fact, I know it’s sometime true — that a single that tests well is not played because of lack of major-label backing, while singles that test relatively badly *get* radio play because of the same backing. How do we know whether any given single is being dropped because of the testing or because of lack of label support? Especially when Clive is the one intervening …)

    But I guess the thing for me is: Why does every album somebody makes *have* to be a big pop-radio hit and pop-radio-friendly all over the place just to be acceptable? Hadn’t she already made quite a bit of money for them with her previous albums? When you’ve already done that, why aren’t you allowed to make a different kind of album once in a while that may not get a lot of top-40 play and may sell less but that, in fact, pulls in another kind of fan? My December is the only Kelly album that I actually own, and I know other people for whom that’s also true. I would be a lot less interested in her today if she hadn’t made *that* album, so it’s not as if her making it was a complete waste.

  • jaimej40

    I guess a lot of songs sound similar these days, but I laugh in that I bought both of them on iTunes.
    Ryan Tedder should just keep all of the good songs for OneRepublic.

  • windmills

    “Kelly didn’t hear ‘Halo’  until after her album went to print. It was too late, then to have it removed. She loved the song. But at the time she recorded it for her album, she thought it was unique.”

    MJ – I know Kelly said this but it’s not ringing true for me. Beyonce’s album came out in November. In December Kelly blogged that her album was still in the mixing stages so it’s not possible that it had already gone to print. I guess it’s possible Kelly didn’t hear Halo but it was certainly out there before her album went to print.

    http://iamkelly.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/happy-holidays/

    “anyway, just waiting for all the songs for the new album to be mixed and mastered. it’s pretty much taking forever but i want it done right so i’m not gonna rush them ‘ ¦.too much”

    According to her blog she was done recording by October 24th so that is before Beyonce’s album came out but Kelly’s album definitely went to print after Beyonce’s album came out.

  • madmike2276

    Keel
    Jul 29th, 2009 at 2:54 am
    As a casual Kelly fan who doesn’t follow her every move, I’ve got to say that all this, coupled with the stuff that’s happened before with My December and the air-brushing stuff, etc. , gives the impression that Kelly’s a bit of a drama queen. I mean even if you start out being on her side on the Clive/My December crappola, at some point it gets tiresome having to listen to the poor little rich pop princess complaining about how her label keeps mistreating her. As someone above said, it’s pop music, not high art. Yet every time I hear about her in the news, it’s all about how she’s fighting for her music against the big bad record label. She’s like the victimest victim that’s ever been victim’d. Are we still expected to fist-pump and yell, you go Kelly every.single.time this happens? It’s starting to feel kind of manipulative frankly.

    Pop music is just as artistic as any other form of music and should not be dimissed. I sincerely hope that you are trying to be “ironic” with your statement about Kelly being the “victimest victim that’s ever been victim’d”. Kelly was not biting the hand that feeds her, she was fighting for control of her music, her image, her art. Essentially that tool Clive Davis was forcing her to stand up and perform these songs, be the face of music that she did not believe in. Then when Kelly stood up for herself, what does Clive do? He does what every power hungry controller does, he single handedly killed the project. Never Again was doing ok and moving up the charts until the controversy about the My December album came out, and Clive in his bitter anger pretty much stated that the album is dark, it contained no radio hits, yada yada yada…thus, radio did not feel compelled to play the singles from the album. The fact that “Sober” was not a huge hit is a crime.

  • maturin


    she really is getting dangerously close to, dare I say it, ‘has-been’  territory.’ 

    Hmm. I’m not following the numbers closely, but the new record has sold around 600,000 after 3 months out, and the first two singles did about 2.5 million combined, IIR (just over gold for Hook, 2x platinum for Suck? And both made the Top40 top 10. The videos got good play. Already Gone is wait and see.

    It seems on Idol boards the conversation always comes back to the legendary “disappointment factor” that supposedly afflicts the music industry. If the label just cares about money (no emotional factor), then this album is already a good investment for them, bringing in some solid dollars in a period of historic market lows and hitting a lot of ears.

    If there is some sort of personality/emotional/brand/control war going on where RCA or her management really can’t get over that she’s not repeating her all time peak sales, I suppose it’s possible they’d get alienated, I guess? Otherwise, this doesn’t make much sense as a description of an attitude that business people would have. Ten million bucks or so in sales (even assuming, somewhat illogically, that she didn’t sell more off this album) plus tour revenue is good eatin’ at a time when the majority of records produced are losing money.

    If RCA is that emotionally fragile about it, then some other label would presumably not pass .

    My December is the only Kelly album that I actually own, and I know other people for whom that’s also true. I would be a lot less interested in her today if she hadn’t made *that* album . .

    That is an interesting point.

    It’s not like pop artists who have a huge album generally are easily able to keep repeating that success time after time. There’s often a decline in numbers over time. I’m not sure that if Kelly did exactly what the label seems to expect –turn out copies of either past hits (based on Since U Been Gone) or other current pop hits (all things Tedder), how exactly that would lead to a repeat of “Breakaway” sales.

    Kelly does seem like someone with strong opinions and a streak of rashness, but I think her struggle to remain interesting and invested in her music makes at least as much sense as the label’s push to repeat past formulas.

    And of course, I’m primarily a music listener, not a stockholder of RCA. It is funny the Stockholm syndrome that gets a few Idol addicts to identify more closely with the viewpoints of massive international conglomerates and wealthy executives more then . . . what songs they enjoy hearing, or that a human might want to sing.

  • TwigLA

    Seems to me Ryan Teddar had a musical arrangement that he shopped to more than one artist he was working with. Both Kelly and Beyonce (or their people) bought it not knowing that it was ‘off the rack’.

    It seems to me by the accounts given, that Kelly heard Beyonce’s ‘Halo’ and recognized the extreme similarity – same song, same composer, different lyrics. Kelly tried to head it off at the pass before the comparisons were made by media and fans.

    Should she have been concerned that people might accuse her of ripping off Beyonce? I think yes. Kelly came into the spotlight from a TV show that is all about doing covers of successful mainstream artists and finding the next ‘fill in the blank’ hitmaker.

    I’m unclear how the subject came up in that Canadian interview in the first place. Did Kelly spontaneously call attention to it, or did the interviewer point it out?

    Could Kelly have handled the media aspect differently or better. Probably. Do I respect her integrity? Yes.

  • will

    I’m unclear how the subject came up in that Canadian interview in the first place. Did Kelly spontaneously call attention to it, or did the interviewer point it out?

    Very good question. The matter was given its own sidebar in the article, with no context, separate and disconnected from the rest of the interview. I wondered when I first read it if perhaps she thought it was “off the record” when she was talking about it. But she has since made a reference to it in a backstage video she made at the David Letterman show, so she doesn’t seem to regret talking about it. I too would love to know what exactly prompted her to discuss it with the CBC interviewer.

  • skippy

    Oh Kelly. She is just screwing herself. First with the Clive thing and now this. :zip_ee: I think she is just looking like a diva to be honest. I don’t think she is one, it’s just the way it looks. I don’t think it’s a good idea to fight with the label.

  • lucy

    Hmm. I’m not following the numbers closely, but the new record has sold around 600,000 after 3 months out, and the first two singles did about 2.5 million combined, IIR (just over gold for Hook, 2x platinum for Suck? And both made the Top40 top 10. The videos got good play. Already Gone is wait and see.

    And even the much-maligned My December has been certified platinum in three countries (including the U.S.) and gold in two more. And the dissed single Never Again has sold 991,000 digital downloads And people don’t exactly seem to hate it (although, to be fair, I suppose it’s getting positive reviews from a somewhat different group of people than those who loved her other albums more, but is that really so bad?) For example, “The album scored 64/100 on MetaCritic — a site that sort of takes the average of critical reviews to come up with a score — indicating generally positive reviews. The score is on par with her previous albums, including Thankful, that scored 62/100.” (all according to Wikipedia.)

    Not to say that she is very diplomatic. She’s not. But I don’t really see that this stuff makes her a has-been with no taste or sense of what she’s doing who ought to just shut up and do everything she’s told because she’s already passed her prime and has put out a series of crap albums, which seems to be where some of the conversation about the current flap is heading.

    On Tedder — I completely understand why you’d figure it’s fine to repeat yourself in the very repeat-heavy pop music world. But what I don’t understand is why, as a person who’s brought in to do contract work with somebody else, you wouldn’t think you needed to tell those “cowriters” that you were, in fact, starting off the writing session with the exact same track that you’d used with somebody else. … Well, I do understand — you’d figure that chances are high they’d refuse to work with that track! But maybe that ought to tell you something. Tweak it a little more before you use it for a second time, for god’s sake.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    MJ – I know Kelly said this but it’s not ringing true for me. Beyonce’s album came out in November. In December Kelly blogged that her album was still in the mixing stages so it’s not possible that it had already gone to print. I guess it’s possible Kelly didn’t hear Halo but it was certainly out there before her album went to print.

    Kelly said she didn’t hear the song until after her album went to print. I think it’s quite possible that she’s not one to keep up with every album that gets released–even by her so-called competition. She was a pretty busy gal at the time.

  • JONNYSBRO

    Perez Hilton is absolutely a disgusting pig. Look at how fat he was 2 years ago. He was a freaking blimp and disgusting. Perez could not even wipe Kelly’s shoes or her bank account. Honestly RCA are ridiculous. Kelly is not screwing the hand that feeds her, she can go anywhere else. Being Indie is not a bad thing, TAYLOR SWIFT IS ON AN INDIE LABEL. Kelly is not a HAS BEEN but a fabulous singer. SHE SOLD 20 MILLION RECORDS. That is NOT HASBEEN IDIOTS. Will anyone beat Kelly’s 13 times platinum Breakaway? NEVER NEVER NEVER. It’s also not like Kelly’s singles have done poorly. MY Life was a smash, while I Do Not Hook up was a modest hit. I really hope Already Gone is a total big hit and we can tell RCA TO GO F&&CK THEMSELVES. I want Kelly to go somewhere else.

  • evelyn27

    Here’s a thought: If Halo was already written by “Ryan Tedder and Evan “Kidd” Bogart” (ie Halo’s wikipedia page) for Leona, then why the heck does Beyonce have a writing credit on the song,(Did she get that from saying ‘I want you to make it sound like Kelly’s song.’?) and since, according to an unconfirmed rumor, Ryan apparently did an interview where he said that Beyonce wanted Halo to be rearranged so that it sounded kind of like Already Gone, then how could he have given Beyonce ‘…the same track to write to.’ when she didn’t really “write” anything? Sounds to me that Kelly doesn’t even know all the details to be saying things like she is. I don’t think any of these people know what they are talking about. Only Ryan knows the full story and I’m still waiting for him to speak in that.

  • yeahyeahsure

    This was added at Perez’ post:

    Update: A rep for Kelly’s label tells us, “Kelly Clarkson is a valued member of the RCA Records family, we are very proud of her album “All I Ever Wanted” and happily continue to promote the record and support Kelly and her music.

  • Michelle

    Beyonce could have gotten a writing credit for supplying lyrics, tweaking a melody given to her by Tedder/Bogart, or even adding her personal melisma touches (Haloo-oo-oo). It doesn’t rule out the apparently strong possibility that majority of the song was provided by Tedder, and that Tedder provided a very similar melody to Kelly for AG.

    I don’t know how any of this is Kelly’s fault, beyond her “daring” to speak up about it now that the label has made the decision to make AG her next single. Maybe if more artists spoke up about things like this instead of submitting to their labels then we’d have less crappy corporate-driven music. I mean, sure every song Stargate made sounded the same, and I guess it was good for the labels that could save money and effort by churning out those songs and reaping the profit, but that wasn’t a good thing for the state of music, was it?

  • noctem seizure

    Hmm. I’m not following the numbers closely, but the new record has sold around 600,000 after 3 months out, and the first two singles did about 2.5 million combined, IIR (just over gold for Hook, 2x platinum for Suck? And both made the Top40 top 10. The videos got good play. Already Gone is wait and see.

    She’s only selling about 6,000 albums a week now (and steadily falling). At that rate it will take her until Christmas to hit 700,000.

    Come on! This is Kelly Freaking Clarkson we’re talking about. The last album I understand was a special case, so she gets a pass for its results. But, this record was supposed to be her Britney-like comeback, when she like the phoenix rose from the ashes. It’s been promoted out the wazoo, and it still is highly unlikely to even get close to platinum.

    Try to spin it any way you want, but for a star of Kelly Clarkson’s (former) wattage, this is a massive letdown. It shows her star has been eclipsed by new, up-and-coming ladies of pop. She’s just another name in the crowded landscape of pop music, and that name will have even less lustre two years (or whenever) down the road when she puts out her next record.

  • yeahyeahsure

    Ryan’s answer:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/29/clarksons-producer-i-would-never-dupe-kelly/

    “Already Gone” is one of the best song I’ve written or produced since “Bleeding Love” and stands tall on it’s own merits apart from “Halo”.

    They are two entirely different songs conceptually, melodically, & lyrically and I would never try to dupe an artist such as Kelly Clarkson or Beyonc into recording over the same musical track, the idea is both hurtful & absurd.

    I think when people hear “Already Gone” they will hear what I hear-one of the greatest female vocalists on earth giving her most haunting and heart-breaking performance on a song she helped write.

    I challenge people to listen and form their own opinions.”

  • crazednoney

    noctem seizure
    “She’s only selling about 6,000 albums a week now (and steadily falling). At that rate it will take her until Christmas to hit 700,000.”

    She’s still on the Billboard top 200 at number 75. And more so, no artists is selling very much right now as the industry is in a slump. The number 1 spot for this week was a debut and only sold a little over 100,000. Kelly sold over 200,000 in her AIW debut. She’s right on track with everyone else. Jordin Sparks debut this week only sold 48,000. Kelly sold more than that in her 3rd week. And she hasn’t been steadily falling either. She’s remained around that number for the past few months. There have so far only been 1 or 2 albums reach the million mark this year.

  • crazednoney

    MJ – “I know Kelly said this but it’s not ringing true for me. Beyonce’s album came out in November. In December Kelly blogged that her album was still in the mixing stages so it’s not possible that it had already gone to print. I guess it’s possible Kelly didn’t hear Halo but it was certainly out there before her album went to print.”

    Kelly was done recording by Oct. 24. The album was originally supposed to be released in November. However the due date was pushed back and the mixing took a bit longer as Kelly wanted to get it right by not rushing it.