Ryan Seacrest visits Conan O’Brien on the Tonight Show

On his radio show immediately following the Idol finale Ryan certainly didn’t seem to think Kris would be very successful. Compared him to Rueben and Taylor, not Carrie for sure.

Yes Ryan it is ‘ashame’ if people didn’t vote for the singing…it’s also ‘ashame’ that AI allows more than one vote per person, thousands of texts coming from one person? That’s ridiculous. Adam should have and would have won if AI allowed only one vote per person he WAS THE BETTER SINGER. American Idol has lost all credibility with me, I won’t be watching anymore.

Ummmm…they did vote for the singing. Stop trying to “Taylor” Kris.

All the judges and Ryan annoy me.Until Kris has put out a album and go on tour outside of AI they cant say he wont be successful.Its sad that even adults cant be mature about his win.There’s no telling who will be succesful yet.

Did Kris get to the top 3 by himself? Yes.Was he ever in the Bottom 3? No until the top 5 night and he even got more votes than the new god Adam Lambert that night.So its clear that he did win partly based on singing.

No until the top 5 night and he even got more votes than the new god Adam Lambert that night

Uhm you don’t know that. Just because they saved Kris first doesn’t mean he had more votes that night.

Aw Ryan was just mad his boyfriend didn’t win!

Kris fans take heart at least we still get to hear our boy sing!

Uhm you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know that. Just because they saved Kris first doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean he had more votes that night.

Actually we do know that since Adam was in the bottom 2. That means Kris got more votes.

Ryan said “This is your bottom three america” then saved Kris then when Kris sat down and they went to commericial.”This is your bottom 2″ and then asked
all the judges and Jamiee what they thought and of coarse making Matt feel
like he had chance.”Adam your save”.So Adam was in the B2.Unless Ryan says otherwise.

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It’s amusing and rather sad that Ryan, like many of us I would presume, still equates himself with a chubby little guy with the braces, blow dried hair, and glasses. No matter what we accomplish in life we still identify with that person within us. Guess that is what “drives” so many people, the need to prove we aren’t a reflection of “that” picture.

Maybe one of the things I like about AI is that it is all about OPINIONS; whether they come from Ryan, the judges, the media, the blogosphere. That’s what makes it fun and interesting and presumably viable. No one really wins on American Idol, yup we can crown someone King or Queen for as long as it takes to sing their horrendous coronation song, but after that it is back to the real world.

I like the fact people get to speak their mind after the “show” is over. Announcing a “winner” doesn’t warrant Ryan having to alter his opinion about who he likes best or who he feels he wants to support the most. It was rather amusing that him and Conan spent more time talking about Adam (the looser) rather than the actual “winner”.

Maybe Ryan was just trying to say by making the statement “If people didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t vote for the singing, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a shame,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  that he hopes this will translate into support for the winner and his musical career and not just voting for other reasons. It would be a shame if Kris came out with a CD and didn’t have the sales to back up the votes because it really wouldn’t be fair to him at all.

After the summer tour, AI is over and we have each of their careers to look forward to and hopefully AI was just a stepping stone for both. Time to look ahead at what they are doing and support your favourite then. Kris is still making appearances and Adam is up for an award tomorrow. Let’s hope that the show’s audience will actually support them in the real world as each gains additional fans.

I always knew there was a go reason why I liked Ryan so much.

The pic of Ryan when he was little…omg…I still don’t believe that was really him!!! It’s so funny sometimes how some people can grow up and not even look like the same person.

I do think it would be kind of awesome to be the only person on the show who knows the results ahead of time. Good thing Ryan can keep his mouth shut…I think I’d have a really hard time!!

I find Ryan almost entirely devoid of personality. He’s like an android trying to be human when he’s out in public- this is about as animated as I have ever seen him.

This will always be the most controversial win ever on Idol. Everyone knows that homophobia, the non-christian thing, the anti-Adam (pimping, chosen one), Texting Scandal and DI having them at a statistical tie will always be there. I know of at least 50 people who tried to vote for Adam for 3 straight hours on the East Coast and couldn’t get one vote in. So, there is no accurate way to say who had more people that wanted to vote for them because they were actual fans of their singing. They really have to change the voting system. If they had, and it was fair without all the controversy, and people thought their one or ten votes actually mattered, then I think Allison would have won it all. Because more people who would actually buy the albums would vote. More older teens and young adults.

Ryan did tell Adam at the end of the radio show to get his album to him as soon as possible – as soon as it’s done. Good news for Adam, since Ryan and Company have been relunctant to play Idol music. And yeah, he was in on the Kris laughs with Simon right after the show and ranked him second to last of all Idol winners. Personally I think Kris will do just fine and that Allison will be the star from the season.

Ryan trying to give Scott a high 5 was pretty funny. :lol_tb:

He does seem to be changing his tune about Kris’ possible success post-Idol. Perhaps he and others are now just realizing that a vote for Kris wasn’t only an anti-Adam vote? Kris is damn good, IMO.

I think a lot of people felt the same as I did for the finale. I liked Kradam and didn’t care which one won in the end so didn’t vote.

But… if I had voted it probably would have been for Kris. I know I could listen to an entire cd of his music and have (see http://slimtainment.com/idolblog/?p=3036. I even found the missing track) but I’m not so sure I could listen to a dozen Adam songs in a row. It would depend. If they were all like Tracks of My Tears or Mad World, then yes. I can do without his power screech on every song. Nonetheless, Adam is still amazing.

Ryan and Conan both just tick me off with their comments. There is no basis for statements like “Adam was the front runner all season” or “So many people thought Adam would/should win” or insinuating that people voted for Kris for reasons other than his performances. What facts does anyone have to make those assumptions? The numbers are not published. The judges, producers, and media wanted Adam to win and tried to brainwash the American people into voting their way except it didn’t work. The contest is and always has been about who has the most votes which is obviously saying who has the most voters who are the most dedicated to their opinions. Adam fans were either fewer in number or were less dedicated to their opinions….duh

I chose Kris because I thought he was the better singer…..not better range, not better growl, not better vibratto, not better looking, not better lifestyle, or better clothes. I personally did not like Adam’s screeching high notes or his presentation. Obviously there were more voters that felt like I did.

I would bet that there was a landslide for Kris and that is why they are not releasing the numbers this year. I made a cd for my car of all the itunes downloads of kris’ songs and it is fantastic. I play it over and over…..

There were definitely votes for Kris other than for his performance. The Gokey votes, the anti-gay votes, backlash to the judges; it’s all been said hundreds of times before. We didn’t forget.

I know of at least 50 people who tried to vote for Adam for 3 straight hours on the East Coast and couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get one vote in.

And every Kris fan I know couldn’t get through either until the last 20 minutes or so of voting. ALL the lines were busy, ALL over the country. Yes the voting system sucks, but it was the same for every contestant.

Ryan seemed such a huge fan of Kris on the show and I don’t really understand why he seems to be undermining his win now.

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Cay, make that 51 and I’m in Florida….I tried for 3 hours and got 1 vote in for Adam What I think is really unfair is that not all cell phone carriers let you text votes…why only AT&T? I was so discouraged voting all night and getting only one vote in (and that was non stop dialing).

AT&T is a HUGE sponsor of AI…..if you want to text, switch to AT&T….LOL

I love how Ryan keeps on harping on the Adam-Queen connection Is Ryan a big Queen fan? It’s just how tickled pink he is about Adam possibly singing with Queen …

Adam possibly singing with Queen à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

To have a very famous rock band think you have the vocal chops to do justice to their music is a VERY BIG DEAL. I, personally, think this was and is the biggest compliment Adam has received and I don’t think that it was given out as lip service. Industry insiders are taking note of Adam because of this and I am sure that there are a lot of song writers chomping at the bit to work with someone that has a “Queen” endorsement. And why shouldn’t Ryan point it out, it helps give cred to the program he is associated with.

It is a huge deal and Adam deserves it. I think Queen is a perfect fit for him. I just don’t think it is right to dog Kris and ruin his victory….

I am happy for Adam and congratulate him!

I think Conan is really funny.

The pic of Ryan when he was littleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦omgà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I still donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe that was really him!!! Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s so funny sometimes how some people can grow up and not even look like the same person.

Wow, I completely saw Ryan in that picture. I almost felt sorry for him feeling as if he has to “run away” from it. Poor guy.

Regardless of how many votes either of these guys got, Kris is a legitimate artist who deserves to make an album and be promoted and not dissed by Simon and Ryan. I’m sorry Ryan but Simon is not always right, as he has said on the show many, many times, “It’s just an opinion.”

Why is this still an issue? Kris won — for whatever the reason(s) people voted for him, he got more votes. The AT&T thing was WAY blown out of proportion — I voted a few times throughout the season and it was always hit or miss whether I would get through, and many times I got messages saying the line I was calling was no longer in service — sometimes the line in question was for Kris, sometimes for Adam and sometimes for Allison (those are the 3 people I voted for during the season). So for people to say that it as only Adam’s lines that were screwed up is just wrong. I didn’t text, but I read stories that had claims from both Kris and Adam supporters on how they power texted for their favrites — which makes me suspect that the power texting vote wasn’t necessarily heavily slanted in one guy’s favor, despite the media’s frenzy about the subject.

Personally, I think this will become a non-issue as time goes by. My only concern is that19E and their label promote both Kris and Adam fairly. And so far oth guys have gotten lots of media exposure. The paparazzi are more interested in the in your face personality of Adam, but somehow I doubt Kris is jealous of that. If I were him, I’d like to keep my privacy as much as possible. But he hasn’t escaped entirely — TMZ posted his wedding register and one of the tabloids (the Globe???) already has his marriage falling apart.

But the media will leave them alone quickly enough if they don’t go on to become successful beyond Idol. If they fade into obscurity, will it matter who won AI* and who was the runner-up? Likewise, if they both go onto successful careers, will it matter? IMO, who wins the AI title only really matters for the first year — that’s when they have the chance to capitalize on the attention. But in May 2010, AI viewers will be focused more on who should be the AI Season 9 winner than on Kris and Adam — so it’s really simply up to them to make great music and hope that that translates into being successful.

I love both guys and think they both have a really good chance of having long, successful careers in the business. I know I am eagerly awaiting the chance to buy both guys’ 1st album.

UGH!!!!

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IMO it’s great anytime AI gets mentioned to a late night audience. Ryan’s appearance and comments make stimulate more interest and controversy for all our favs. It’s all good.

edit: the tone of this thread is off-topic. stick to the topic.

How many jobs DOES Ryan have? I remember when I first moved out to L.A., Ryan was an afternoon DJ, and that was his only job. Now he seems to have dozens. When does he get time to relax?

PS – Ryan tweeted that Adam&Kris are supposed to be co-hosting the American Top 40 radio show. Anyone hear when that will be?

I need to know when the radio show with Kradam is.The two of them are adorable together.They should really have there own radioshow every
firday or something.

I don’t follow Ryan at all. But was just wondering… Where would people rate him among some other well known DJs like Dave Clark, Wolfman Jack, Rick Dees, Casey Kasem….?

Based on Ryan’s comments, he was also looking forward for an Adam win since he mentioned that if America did not vote for their singing then its a shame. But the American public does the voting. If only AI could work on improving the voting system to put back its credibility. Maybe they will this next season. If they won’t, I’ll just take a peek on the Top 12 show to see if someone is interesting to watch but I won’t watch the whole season 9. It’s useless to participate in the voting anymore unless they do something about it.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t follow Ryan at all. But was just wonderingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Where would people rate him among some other well known DJs like Dave Clark, Wolfman Jack, Rick Dees, Casey Kasemà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.?

i’m from asia and the only ryan show we get on our radio is the Top40 show he hosts. to me, its not that great and i personally like rick dees and casey kasem better cos rick dees is pretty funny and casey kasem..well he’s just casey kasem

Am I the only one that found that interview kinda awkward? I didn’t even watch the whole thing. Ryan’s trying to make me laugh but I don’t find him funny. lol

I don’t take anything Ryan has to say seriously. He likes to follow Simon and copy what he says. Also, it’s not surprising that a lot of people (especially ones that you can tell that don’t really watch the show like Conan) kept thinking that Adam was going to win because that’s what the judges kept trying to shove down everyone’s throat.

He does seem to be changing his tune about Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ possible success post-Idol.

Simon Fuller probably told him to STFU about Kris and lectured Ryan about being influenced by his boyfriend Simon’s obvious dislike for Kris winning.

Yep, that entire interview seemed incredibly prescripted to me. From the picture of Ryan as a chubby kid to the clip of him high-fiving Scott. Which makes it clear that both the question by Conan,”very controversial end to the season … so many people thought that Adam Lambert should be the winner … how do you feel about that?” and Ryan’s answer, “I think that if people didn’t vote for the singing, then that’s a shame” is coming straight from TPTB.

Ryan certainly didn’t diss Kris, called him “very talented” and said he thought he’d have a fantastic career, but to me his comments overall had a definite co-winner vibe about them. His comment about Queen also surprised me. He said Adam’s already been invited to go out on the road with them. I wonder if he’s heard something in addition to what’s already been reported.

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That picture! OMG. You know, I don’t think you can tell if someone is straight or gay from a photo, but it you could, Man–I would have picked that kid in the photo to be a gay guy.

BTW–I voted for the music, which includes a little more than the singing. I’ve listened to the studio versions of really everything. And of Kris and Adam, I’ve acquired No Boundaries (Kris), Mad World, Falling Slowly, Man in the Mirror, Black or White, and Heartless. So I guess I prefer Kris as a recording artist to Adam. I don’t know why so many people think it’s obvious that Adam was “better.” He’s an amazing vocalist and real different from Kris, who’s a very comforting vocalist and a talented musician.

edit: why are you high-fiving a post you should realize by now I’m going to edit???

I wonder what changes that they will make next year to ensure that the person that they deem the best singer will win the show. Obviously the changes they made this year still allowed someone that they didn’t choose to be TCO the opportunity to win. In my opinion the only way they can ensure that their TCO is the winner, is to take away America’s ability to vote. Especially if they continue to choose to ignore that there are other popular genre’s out there besides the over the top singers.

I never knew any of that about Ryan. Now I understand why he seems kinda fastidious about his appearance. Good for him.

I could certainly see Fuller asking Ryan and everyone else to back off, but – to me – it just seems like a case of spoiled child syndrome with people not liking the fact that they didn’t get their way.

The best singer rarely ever wins Idol. Sad, but true. Otherwise, we would have Tamrya Gray, LaToya London, Elliott Yamin, and Melinda Doolittle in our canon of past Idols. If anyone thinks Carrie Underwood was the best singer her year, they are stone deaf.

Adam is a great singer, but he is not everyone’s cup of tea. In fact, his style can be quite polarizing. Not everyone likes the over-the-top performance style, and many people will *always* support a musician over anyone else.

Kris seems intelligent and worldy, so I’m sure he knows how the game is played. He knows who they wanted to win, and whom they think will make them the most dollars world-wide. This doesn’t mean they won’t commit to his album (they are contractually obligated to do so), or support him. But it does mean they have to position Adam into a sellable commodity by autumn. I do think Adam will enjoy more International success than stateside, but much depends on the product he puts out.

I just don’t understand why fans are worked up into a lather about a show that manipulates us week after week. They know who they want to win from the get-go, and America tends to follow suit. This isn’t the first few seasons, say seasons 1-4, when things at least appeared more on the level. This year, more than any, they over-pimped two contestants to the point where many of the AI voters simply had enough.

When Gokey went off script with “Scream On” (and everyone tired of the poor me routine) and he couldn’t be saved, the fallback became Mr. Allen. However, Kris had the special role of being so many people’s “second favorite” that their votes ( in addition to his own large fanbase) added up to put him over the top of the chosen one. Definitely not in the plans, but it made for good television. And they’ll end up with who they want anyway, just like in Season 5.

I personally don’t need to be told that I voted wrong, or that Kris’s win is illegitimate. That’s bull****. I voted for him because I really believe he deserved it. He’s was always consistent, despite what the judges said, and the show never even tried to help him or push him or pimp him in any way. In a way that makes him the most “legitimate” winner we’ve had, judges be damned, no smoke or blue lights or “an ‘A’ for effort” needed.

and, no matter what, the title is his. Always.

Excellent post storm45701!! It is exactly how I feel too. I voted for who I enjoyed listening to over and over (Kris). He is not everyone’s cupa tea, but neither is Adam. I am very excited to see what both of them do in the future. I have already preordered Kris’ CD and will pick and choose the songs that I like off of Adam’s when it comes out.

You know, who ended up where in the voting doesn’t matter to most people. Frankly, I voted passionately for Adam and I don’t care anymore. Since less than 1% of Americans actually vote, so what does it really mean?

The real test comes in how the Idols deal with the fame and fanbase that they got from being on AI. Can the keep and expand their fanbase? Can the evolve from doing covers to doing original music people want to buy? Do people want to attend their concerts? Some like Kelly, Carrie, and Daughtry establish themselves as recording artists. Other achieve fame in a broader or different sense, like Jennifer Hudson and Kat. And some of the Idols with promise just don’t seem to make it — Taylor, Fantasia, Ruben. And a few hit a peak but do not sustain a career, IMO, that is Clay’s story.

For me, Adam is a “once in a lifetime talent”. I do not need anyone, especially Ryan Seacrest, to endorse my view. And, I thing he established himself as a potential star during the course of this season. Now he needs to deliver on that potential.

And, IMMHO, Kris is really cute and likable, but is not distinct musically. And no one but Kris will change my mind on that. He can only change my mind by producing some great music. And, if he does, I will be first in line to buy it.

In the meantime, I own all the Adam Lambert music that is available, except the Disaster song, and I await his first album impatiently. Very impatiently.

Ryan correctly predicted the top 4 in March on Oprah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-W9rkrm_dI

But he also knew more details about the voting results from week to week so that may have helped with his prediction. But it may also mean that those 4 are getting more votes very early on in the competition.

But he also knew more details about the voting results from week to week so that may have helped with his prediction. But it may also mean that those 4 are getting more votes very early on in the competition.

My understanding is that Ryan only knew the Bottom 3 finishers and the One with the Lowest Vote. That he doesn’t see the votes, and didn’t even know who was the Bottom 2 until the Top 4, when there was just a Bottom 2 and “Loser”.

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storm45701
as Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve said before, Kris Allen could easily become a male Carrie Underwood ( I actually think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s too bad he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to go the Keith Urban route, which is basically pop/quasi-country at best).

I agree completely with this and was very disappointed that Kris didn’t want to do anythink in the pop-country space. There is a lot of innovation going on in the pop-country-bluegrass space — Keith Urban, Bon Jove, Robert Plant & Alison Krauss (rock/bluegrass), etc. Perhaps, he will reconsider.

And I also agree that there is no need to push anyone down to raise your fav up. (It also doesn’t really work.) I tried to express my preferences in a fair way without offending anyone. Similarly, I try to understand when someone doesn’t like Adam’s performances or style, and does it without going OTT.

Moving to AI6, a somewhat less contraversal season now, I also happen to be one of the few people who liked/still likes Taylor Hicks, even though I never thought he had much commercial potential. But that doesn’t mean that I can’t also appreciate Kat, Elliot and Daughtry, too.

tsorm45701 Jun 6th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

Kris Allen could easily become a male Carrie Underwood ( I actually think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s too bad he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to go the Keith Urban route, which is basically pop/quasi-country at best).

Kris probably doesn’t like much country music and that is the plain simple reason why he does not want to go in that direction. By the way Kris answered Slezak in the Idoltry interview I think he is getting tired of people thinking he should that route. I grew up within a family that liked nothing but country and I ended up loving show tunes, classical, jazz, rock, pop, opera. I listen to very few country artists to this day.

I don’t think Kris should do country pop at all (even though I do agree that he would sell a ton of records) because I still think he can be successful doing what he won on the show. He did win by doing that type of music. I just don’t like how the judges and the host (Ryan) seem to have their favorites because I don’t think it does the show any good. I hope they learn from this past season and try to be not as bias.

Also, I wonder if 19 will end up signing Danny after the judges pushed him so hard because if they don’t, it probably does show a disconnect between the judges and the management company

I still don’t know what Ryan thinks of Simon.

I didn’t get the impression that Ryan thought that Kris didn’t deserve to win. It’s just that it was so expected for Adam to win. There are a gazillion theories as to why it all shook down the way it did. No one can prove or disprove any of the theories so until AI releases the demographic breakdown of the votes, etc., no one will ever know.

As I look back, I wonder why TPTB wouldn’t want Kris over Danny? The only thing I can think of is that Danny’s voice is much stronger than Kris’s and they wanted two powerhouse singers in the final. Yes, there was Danny’s backstory, but they could have played up Kris’s missionary work, etc., and that would have been very appealing to alot of viewers.

I really think Kris and Adam are the “package” artists that Kara keeps talking about. They both are attractive and they both have a strong sense of self and their own style. You know, I can’t ever remember Kara uttering the words “package artist” when it came to any of the male contestants. Does anyone know if she did? If she never did, I find that interesting.

Was Danny really a “powerhouse” singer? I didn’t see it. It’s over, so I’ll try not to bash. I swear Simon and Paula worked in concert to get their favorites in. “You give me Adam, Paula, and I’ll give you Danny.” I always thought Randy and Kara liked Kris, despite the occassional dig (which is part of the script, of course).
Other than Christian music, where does Danny fit?

Point taken on Kris and country music. Of course, he and Adam will have to put out the AI pop schlock album regardless.

I really think Kris and Adam are the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“packageà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  artists that Kara keeps talking about. They both are attractive and they both have a strong sense of self and their own style. You know, I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t ever remember Kara uttering the words à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“package artistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  when it came to any of the male contestants. Does anyone know if she did? If she never did, I find that interesting.

I agree. I think that this was a win-win for 19. The top 2 were the most marketable contestants on the show. IMO Alison has potential but is not as clearly as marketable yet, Anoop has potential as a personality (TV perhaps?) but not as a singer, and Matt had some really talent but no artistic focus. And I hope that Alexis Grace gets some notice from her all too brief time on AI. Finally, I don’t get the high opinion some industry people have of Megan, but who am I?

In my heart, I think that they had a storyline — “Gay Edgy Hollywood Type” vs. “Christian Midwesterner” — that they thought would drive ratings. And Danny fed right into that plotline. Plus, super bonus, he was a young, tragic widower. So both def not gay but available. So they push Danny and Adam = culture war.

I think that Adam and Kris becoming friends, having their families become friends, and both being so nice and polite wasn’t part of TPTB plans. And I sure don’t think that they pick Kris to win. Or that was real sneaky, not profiling him, only showing 2 seconds of his audition and basically treating him like he was invisable.

Bubble Gum & Competitivebynature – I vaguely recall and will search for an article that interviewed Nigel, one of the producers. He said that they are told who the bottom 3 are and they are also told who the bottom vote getter is. As for the remaining 2, they are not told which one got more votes. What they do with the remaining two is all part of making it a show! Does anyone else remember that article? I’ll look for it. I know it was discussed a few hours earlier here, however, I thought it was really interesting to see how they can “spin” the results to make it more suspenseful. I’ll look for the article, although I suspect I won’t be able to find.

edit: so rude. more like this, and you end up in moderation

Well , I did find the article. And it was here on MJ’s site. However, now I’m more confused. We’ll never really know who was in the bottom 2 as it sounds like they play with that.

http://mjsbigblog.com/news-we-already-knew-the-producers-play-fast-and-loose-with-the-bottom-3-plus-kara-dioguardi-signed-for-one-year.htm

nanc

sidewalkstory:There were definitely votes for Kris other than for his performance. The Gokey votes, the anti-gay votes, backlash to the judges; ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all been said hundreds of times before. We didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t forget.

Just because it’s been said hundreds of times doesn’t make it so.

If I understand you, you seem to be saying there were many reasons people voted for Kris other than his performances, yet there were no reasons people voted for Adam other than his performances. Just taking what you wrote, and reversing it, how about: the anti-Gokey vote, the gay vote, the people who voted the way the judges influenced them to vote?

What about appearance, or personality? I’m sure some people voted for Adam on looks. Or because they think he’s hot. Or nicer than the rest. Etc.

People vote for many reasons but I like to think most people who spend their precious hours voting for a favorite are doing it for the reason I and the rest of the Kris and Adam fans here seem to have done it: because we liked that person’s singing the best.

I think they replaced Adam with Allison that night IF we didnt know the B2.Allison left the next week so i suspect that she was getting the lowest
votes.Can they do that? Because how does one go to the highest votes
to going home the next week?

First of all, I love Allison. That being said, I wonder why many people say she will be the break out star of the season. That would be wonderful, but all the hoopla and fan comments seem to surround Kris and Adam. Just wondering.

Whether you can listen to Kris all day or Adam all day, there are lots of fans on both sides of that argument.

I really like Ryan Seacrest. I think he is fantastic at what he does. (Except for when he made Adam choose sides– the shoving was not cool either.)

Ryan should be allowed to have an opinion. He is actually there on the set and he hears it all live.

You know, I agreeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Adam is a great talent; but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see why some (not TKat) have to dismiss Kris in their attempt to build their Idol up. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s as if Kris has no talent, which is ludicrous.

It is ludicrous because Kris is a very talented guy and I’m happy he got a record deal. I happen to think he will do quite well. Conversely, I can’t see why some (not citing anyone in particular) have to dismiss the attention Adam has received post-show, i.e. the interest from Queen, the YH Award, the paps and tabloid attention, because they somehow perceive it as diminishing their Idol. It doesn’t. It’s not Adam vs. Kris anymore. It’s Adam vs. the world and Kris vs. the world.

“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not Adam vs. Kris anymore. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Adam vs. the world and Kris vs. the world.”

I’m ready to go there.

Well I don’t know what Kris looked like as a kid. But it’s cool that Adam and Ryan had that kind of chubby thing going on as little boys, and now they are both lean and mean!!! lol That’s pretty inspirational, I think.

iluvai Jun 6th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not Adam vs. Kris anymore. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Adam vs. the world and Kris vs. the world.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m ready to go there.

I hear you. I’ve been thinking that way since May 21st.

I think they replaced Adam with Allison that night IF we didnt know the B2.Allison left the next week so i suspect that she was getting the lowest
votes.Can they do that? Because how does one go to the highest votes
to going home the next week?

One of the theories is that Adam, Kris and Allison shared a significant fanbase. Now, many of those may have had Adam or Kris as their first choice and Allison as their second choice. When week after week, Adam and Kris are pronounced safe while Allison is in danger of elimination, some of those fans may have decided to vote for Allison in Top 5 week, thinking their favourite, Kris or Adam, would be safe.

When Adam and Kris ended up in the bottom 3 for that week, these same fans would decide not to risk their fave getting eliminated and revert to voting solely for Adam or Kris again during Top 4 week.

It’s an interesting theory but who knows?

Kris Allen could easily become a male Carrie Underwood ( I actually think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s too bad he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to go the Keith Urban route, which is basically pop/quasi-country at best).

In one interview somewhere Kris said it was all around him growing up but not what he wanted to do. I hope 19 doesn’t force him into it.

The best part of Grand Ol’ Opry week was that most of the contestants rearranged the songs so that they didn’t song like country songs. Country week is always the most painful for me. I know many will disagree… but whatever…

I’d be perfectly happy if they dropped country week and added gangsta rap instead. At least then I wouldn’t need to use the Mute button because it would be one continuous stream of “Bleeps” for every contestant’s performance.

Just like artist are a matter of personal taste, so are music genres. But all contemporary country music is not crap and doesn’t sound like Grand Ol’ Opry.

edit: snipped out some really rude and presumptous stuff

The largest. most successful singer-songwriter indie record business in based in the Nashville area. The famous Muscle Shoals recording studios in Northern AL (For people who don’t know in the 1960′s-80′s it was home of soul/gospel, country and rock fusion and recordings by Bob Dylan, Almond Brothers, Aretha Franklin, Wilson Pickett, Paul Simon, Eric Clapton, Lynyrd Skynyrd, George Michael, The Rolling Stones and many others.) are now a center of leading edge country music and cross-pollination of musical styles. And a number of “American Roots” artists are stripping the music back down and producing clean, crisp music that incorporates elements of county, folk, blues and rock into some pretty interesting music.

There are thousands of professional country artist from all over the world, and it is far more diverse than Dolly Parton, Taylor Swift and Darryl Worley.

I think Kris would do great as a contemporary country artist. The two songs I downloaded from him were “To make you feel my love” and “Ain’t No Sunshine”. Both of those songs, the way he sang them would fit on the contemporary country radio station here in my town.
I think he’ll do well in his chosen genre too, but sometimes I think it’s easier to break into the contemporary country market especially with his personality and looks.

TKat Jun 7th, 2009 at 12:22 am

Just like artist are a matter of personal taste, so are music genres. But all contemporary country music is not crap and doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sound like Grand Olà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ Opry.

The largest. most successful singer-songwriter indie record business in based in the Nashville area. The famous Muscle Shoals recording studios in Northern AL (For people who donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know in the 1960à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s-80à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s it was home of soul/gospel, country and rock fusion and recordings by Bob Dylan, Almond Brothers, Aretha Franklin, Wilson Pickett, Paul Simon, Eric Clapton, Lynyrd Skynyrd, George Michael, The Rolling Stones and many others.) are now a center of leading edge country music and cross-pollination of musical styles. And a number of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Rootsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  artists are stripping the music back down and producing clean, crisp music that incorporates elements of county, folk, blues and rock into some pretty interesting music.

There are thousands of professional country artist from all over the world, and it is far more diverse than Dolly Parton, Taylor Swift and Darryl Worley.

Kris certainly knows what he likes and does not like. He said of singing with Keith Urban that he doesn’t know why they got a country singer for him, that Keith was giving but nothing about his liking the music. Now, when Queen was mentioned he lit up like a Christmas tree and said how much he loved Queen. He knew who Brian May was as soon as he walked in the room, got all fanboy and asked for his autograph. Sounds like the guy has made it clear what he likes and does not like and it doesn’t matter how progressive country has gotten.

I personally have nothing against country music and have respect for country artists. But Kris is not a country artist. And he’s said he doesn’t want to be one. I don’t see any reason why he’d want to be. His style is not country at all.

edit: do not question the motives of your fellow posters

@ross that is so true. I am an Adam fan but I have heard from Kris loud and clear what his musical likes are. Personally, I would like it if Kris went the route of another southern boy Rob Thomas/matchbox twenty.

I don’t think anyone is insisting he do country, my post said I thought he would do well in that genre. I think Kris will be successful whatever he chooses, he wasn’t my favorite, but I can certainly see his talent and think it will sell.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think anyone is insisting he do country, my post said I thought he would do well in that genre.

edit: again, you may want to read my guidelines

Like I said, if Kris says he’s not interested, it’s really up to him. An artist should be able to define himself, and we have to respct how he defines himself, I think.

I am an Adam fan but I have heard from Kris loud and clear what his musical likes are.

linsav, thanks, I guess we think alike on that point.

I would like it if Kris went the route of another southern boy Rob Thomas/matchbox twenty.

That wouldn’t be bad. I have no idea how Kris doing stuff like what he did on the show but “stepping it up a notch,” as he’s said, will translat into an album. He likes Motown, Stevie Wonder, he likes Kanye, he’s sung a lot of songs by black artists on the show, and Simon Fuller chose a Marvin Gaye song for him for the final (where he also sang Bill Withers’ Ain’t No Sunshine). He has strong soul/r & b influences, even if they’re filtered through his singer-songwriter style, so I have a feeling we’re going to see some of that in his songs, one way or another.

Sorry to double-post, but I think this will be easier to read:

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think anyone is insisting he do country, my post said I thought he would do well in that genre.

I am an Adam fan but I have heard from Kris loud and clear what his musical likes are.

linsav, thanks, I guess we think alike on that point.

I would like it if Kris went the route of another southern boy Rob Thomas/matchbox twenty.

That wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be bad. I have no idea how Kris doing stuff like what he did on the show but à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ stepping it up a notch,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s said, will translat into an album. He likes Motown, Stevie Wonder, he likes Kanye, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sung a lot of songs by black artists on the show, and Simon Fuller chose a Marvin Gaye song for him for the final (where he also sang Bill Withersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ Ainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t No Sunshine). He has strong soul/r & b influences, even if theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re filtered through his singer-songwriter style, so I have a feeling weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re going to see some of that in his songs, one way or another.

ross Jun 7th, 2009 at 3:09 am

I would like it if Kris went the route of another southern boy Rob Thomas/matchbox twenty.

That wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be bad. I have no idea how Kris doing stuff like what he did on the show but à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ stepping it up a notch,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s said, will translat into an album. He likes Motown, Stevie Wonder, he likes Kanye, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sung a lot of songs by black artists on the show, and Simon Fuller chose a Marvin Gaye song for him for the final (where he also sang Bill Withersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ Ainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t No Sunshine). He has strong soul/r & b influences, even if theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re filtered through his singer-songwriter style, so I have a feeling weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re going to see some of that in his songs, one way or another.

ross that is why I mentioned Rob Thomas. His solo stuff has a soul/r&b influence, and both are pianist and singer-songwriters. I don’t know if you have seen some of rob Thomnas’ duets he has done but invariably it is soul/r&b and he held his own with Joss Stone. And the points you brought up is how I feel, that I am not really sure what type of album we will get from Kris. I just hope if they push him in any direction it is something he is comfortable with.

Like I said, if Kris says heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not interested, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s really up to him. An artist should be able to define himself, and we have to respct how he defines himself, I think.

I am an Adam fan but I have heard from Kris loud and clear what his musical likes are.

Of course, it is up to Kris what he does.

Just to be clear, I also didn’t say that Kris should be doing country music — I wrote that I hoped that he would reconsider because I really think he could produce some great country music. And I like all kinds of music, as long as it’s good. If you look at the comments on CMT.com and other country sites, there are a lot of country music fans who are hoping.

Since Bon Jovi’s initial crossover success, several other performers who established their names in the rock world have made forays into country. John Mellencamp released two singles, Our Country and The Americans, to country radio. John Waite reprised his 1984 hit Missing You with Alison Krauss. Don Henley did a duet with Kenny Rogers. Sheryl Crow sang on singles with Brooks & Dunn and Vince Gill.

from USA Today.

Country music at it’s essence is storytelling. Kris seems to shine when he is doing songs that have a story like “She Works Hard for the Money”.

really, country radio is where many singer/songwriters have gravitated. You can have a rich, long career in country music….where they still appreciate chorus, melody, angst, and a story song. Much better than some of the pop schlock out there like Lady Gag Gag.

I went back and edited a bunch of posts.

KNOCK OFF the passive aggressive fanwarring.

PLEASE do not question the motives of your fellow posters, put words in their mouths, or criticize their opinions.

really, country radio is where many singer/songwriters have gravitated. You can have a rich, long career in country musicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.where they still appreciate chorus, melody, angst, and a story song. Much better than some of the pop schlock out there like Lady Gag Gag.

Country fans can smell a phony a mile a way. They are worse than rock fans when it comes to snobbery.

If Kris isn’t interested in country music, he will not succeed there. He’s better off remaining authentic, rather than trying to shoe horn himself into a genre because it appears lucrative.

If Kris isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t interested in country music, he will not succeed there. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s better off remaining authentic, rather than trying to shoe horn himself into a genre because it appears lucrative.

mj, thanks, that’s how I feel (wish I could have said it in two sentences, as clearly as that).

ross that is why I mentioned Rob Thomas. His solo stuff has a soul/r&b influence, and both are pianist and singer-songwriters. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if you have seen some of rob Thomnasà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ duets he has done but invariably it is soul/r&b and he held his own with Joss Stone. And the points you brought up is how I feel, that I am not really sure what type of album we will get from Kris. I just hope if they push him in any direction it is something he is comfortable with.

I agree with you, linsav. I also like Rob Thomas and I can see Kris doing stuff like that.

I went over to Kris’s page on the AI site to see if he listed a favorite artist and he did. Favorite male artist: Jamie Cullum. Jamie Cullum is mainly a jazz or jazz/pop artist, I think. Artists’s faves aren’t esp. people they want to sound like, and Kris has a different sound and different vibe, imo, but I just thought this was interesting.(He listed Kelly Clarkson as favorite female, btw.)

TKat, I went over to CMT and read some of the stuff about Kris and it’s interesting, and it’s flattering they’re interested in his trying to go in that direction.

I think, myself, because Kris was a singer-songwriter before he entered the competition he probably is trying to work out a style of his own. Who knows, at some point he may want to trying country crossover, though, it’s not impossible.

Country just seems to be the most welcoming of different styles. It’s actually more “pop” than pop these days. From George Strait to Reba to Taylor Swift and the guy from Hootie, the country charts seem rather diverse.

Kris has to meld and mold with the record label regardless(when in the world do we get these announcements?). The Hodges guy has so many styles under his belt, but we can guess it will be pop-driven radio-friendly catalog on Kris’s first album (Adam’s, too).

storm45701, who’s the Hodges guy? Producer?

I thought Iain Pirrie’s (?) comments re Kris being an “organic” artist and his comments about Adam seemed to show understanding of who they were. Guess we’ll have to see how that works out, style-wise.

butte 009
you owe me a keyboard ))))

I loved Conan’s impersonation of Adam’s falsetto. Hilarious!! Great interview.

haha. Ryan was kind of full of crap for part of that interview.

During the part when he’s bragging about all of the power he has…..when does Ryan make the choice of which judge gets to give their comment and then take a commercial break before the other two get to talk? I don’t think that has ever, ever happened. They always go in order, and they always finish before a commerical break. What was that all about? It made a good story, I guess.