Russell Crowe Responds to Adam Lambert’s Les Miserables Twitter Critique

Adam Lambert caused a bit of a stir online when he critiqued the new movie, Les Miserables, via twitter. His most pointed criticisms were leveled at the director, whom Adam felt should have found better singers for the production, or at least pre-recorded and sweetened the vocals.

Adam didn’t name any names when he tweeted that “The score suffered massively with great actors PRETENDING to be singers.” But it’s not hard to put two and two together. Russell Crowe’s vocal performance has been panned by many critics, so it’s not a surprise that the actor responded on twitter.

Crowe explains that the score COULD HAVE been sweetened, but the director wanted the performances raw and real. The spin from some news outlets covering the update is that Crowe agrees with Adam that his singing was poor. Well, no. 1. Although one could read between the lines, Adam doesn’t call out individual actors by name. and 2. Crowe is actually explains and defends director Tom Hooper’s artistic viewpoint in a very polite way.

Sorry gossip sites! There will be no feud here…

  • TackyZacky

    I bet if Adam had been offered the role of “Marius” and sing live for the “raw and real” effect,  he would be profusely praising the director for his creatively unique approach. :-)

  • jpfan2

    Russell Crowe handled this very well. I’m surprised because of his horrible reputation but he just went up in my book. 

  • sjames08

    I watched it again for the second time and I’ve enjoyed it once again. This time, though, being more observant. I think Russell Crowe did a good job but I think he’s more of a baritone than a tenor. He can reach the tenor notes, but it’s not a smooth sounding tone anymore. See real tenors: Hugh Jackman, Aaront Tveit, etc. 

    I’m glad Crowe’s being honest about his performance though. Sometimes, actors don’t always get the take they like the best used in the final cut. Either one take was better acting-wise and the beats they choose is more appropriate for the film. Hence, the singing suffers just a tad.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Nope no feud here. I actually think Mr. Gladiator likes Adam and this can only be a win win for Les Mis. People are going to see the movie regardless and too much publicity is never a bad thing.

    Les Mis 3.0-Anne Hathaway version?

    Anne Hathaway Isn’t a Fan Of Her ‘Les Mis’ Performance, Adam Lambert Isn’t a Fan of Russell Crowe’s –

    http://www.hollywire.com/2013/01/anne-hathaway-isnt-fan-her-les-mis-performance-adam-lambert-isnt-fan-russell-crowes

  • loveroftalent

    If Adam been offered the role and slayed the singing, his haters would still say he can’t sing and probably would not go see it anyways.

  • bridgette12

    I think Russell took it so well because it wasn’t unfair or vicious. Adam gave his opinion and the reasons why he thought the movie suffered a bit. Russell obviously knew going into this role that he’s not a natural or gifted singer. Even if you were a great singer, your still not exempt from criticism. But I will go on to say, I love Russell as an actor. 

  • ReneeinCA

    Actually, Adam did say he loved three of the performances from the cast who can sing live well.  His critique was spot on, imo.
     

  • loveroftalent

    Exactly…Adam was not being mean or vicious…Adam is made to look  like a bully to RUssell Crowe, which is kind of hilarious really…Still can’t believe comments on twitter led to all of this….

  • lovetheusa1776

    Maybe they can have a beer together at the White House.

  • Leigh13

    Yeah, but Adam CAN sing live.

  • loveroftalent

    You would never think that with alot of the comments on all the articles…If I didn’t know who Adam is, all I would have learned is that he is a drag Queen nobody that can’t sing and didn’t even win American Idol…lol…Such a shame that the comments couldn’t have been at least intelligent..

  • loveroftalent

    Or would be a good time for a SNL skit between the two…

  • mmb

    Adam is too old for the role of Marius.  The idea that Adam is bitter bc he wanted to be in the movie is nonsensical.  He is either too young or too old for the male roles. (nevermind that he wasn’t available  –the movie was filmed during the exact same time as his singles and album were released and he was committed to various promotional activities.) I don’t think Adam takes issue with the raw and real approach in theory –his only point was that if you were going to do it, cast it with actors who are vocally appropriate for the roles; if you were more concerned about the acting than the singing then (in his opinion) perhaps it would have been better to do some tuning of the vocals (after all, unlike the Sound of Music, Chicago etc. Les Mis is completely sung..there is no spoken dialogue).  As Crowe notes, the director made an artistic choice.  Some critics have hailed it as fabulous; others found it distracting. I for one enjoyed the movie and was bothered by some (not all) of the singing only because I have seen the show several times, own the original cast album, and know what the songs sound like when sung perfectly.

  • turquoisewaters

    I bet anybody else would do the same thing. That’s what you do when you are part of a production/project/family. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Adam would have sung the songs well, live or not, just like the other trained Broadway singers in the movie. There is a reason Samantha Barks and Aaron Tveit are being praised by all the media outlets. They are trained musical theatre singers. Live singing is what they do and what they have done for years 7 to 8 times a week. Like Adam, they are trained to sing this way.

  • standtotheright

    I think Russell took it so well because it wasn’t unfair or vicious.

    If Lambert had said, “the score suffered because the (very talented) actors weren’t strong enough vocalists” that wouldn’t have been unfair or vicious. Instead, he, by implication, said that one actor (who has sung professionally in Broadway shows) and another actor (who was the lead singer for two different rock bands) were “pretending” to be singers. So they’ve both been pretending to be singers for a couple of decades?

    Yes, that is unduly harsh criticism and distracted from his main (and not exactly unshared) point: The delivery of most of the songs was not going to appeal to many Les Mis vocal fans.

    (Personally, I like the musical fine, but think the score is overrated by its most ardent fans. I also think that nothing Hooper and this cast could have done can do more to damage appreciation for the story than the adaptation of the novel starring Liam Neeson 10-odd years ago. That was dire.)

  • bridgette12

    I could totally see a skit between those two on SNL:

    R-I heard you hated my singing
    A-I never mentioned your name
    R-It was implied in your tweet by not mentioning my name
    A-Okay, you want honesty! You suck as singer
    R-Let me tell you something, do you know who I am! I am Russell Crowe, phonethrowing A-list superstar actor. You should be groveling at my feet, instead of criticizing me for my less than perfect vocal performance in a movie I only did for the big pay check.
    A-Your right, I apologize, you sounded great when your mouth was close.

    Scene ends with the maid who Russell threw the first phone at, fanning him as he lays on the floor, saying “Mr. Lambert you don’t mess A-list superstars with great arms like Mr. Crowe and Supermodels.

  • loveroftalent

    hahaha…So funny…You just wrote the whole skit for them..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    and another actor (who was the lead singer for two different rock bands)

    Who is this?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5HGXDY5SA4QJRME7OQJXRJYE4M James M.

    And somewhere out there, a TMZ employee broke down and started crying about the lack of drama.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Sorry gossip sites! There will be no feud here…

    Where’s the fun (or hits) in that?

  • suenigma

    Seriously? Do you read a lot of comments on random articles?  Have you ever witnessed intelligent discourse there? They are notorious for attracting low-life trolls. Nobody reads them except invested fans like us and troublemakers, so those comments will have no impact on Adam. Hell, its a badge of honor to get trashed in comments sections. LOL

  • loveroftalent

    I know, but why do the comments have to be so hurtful, and really what does not winning american idol have to do with anything or being gay…

  • bridgette12

    I think it would be great, both Adam and Russell would laugh at the silliness of it all.  

  • standtotheright

    Russell Crowe was the lead singer for two different bands (30 Odd Foot of Grunts and The Ordinary Fear of God). I believe both were reasonably popular touring acts.

  • suenigma

    Nothing! I totally agree. But it is what it is, and every other Idol and celebrity gets the same treatment. As far as I can tell, it is done strictly to elicit a reaction from fans of an artist. Classic trolling by twisted individuals.

  • lovetheusa1776

    This “feud” must be close to its sell-by date.

  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/AdorablyHooked Gwen

    The movie is amazing….

  • bridgette12

    Johnny Depp has a band, Woody Harrison has a band and various other actors slash wannabe singers have bands, but that don’t mean they should be paid to sing in a motion picture. Russell needs to stick with what he do best, which is act.  

  • loveroftalent

    Kevin Bacon as well..I didn’t know Johnny Depp has one..I will have to google them…Love me some Johnny Depp..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    His voice must be better suited to that type of music. It was not right for the music from Les Mis, especially Javert’s songs. Crowe clearly didn’t have the vocal ability or the training to sing many of the songs the way they are sung on stages around the world.  

  • chillj

    Adam is very much not alone in his criticism of this movie for the singing; I have read it is not good in a few places and I am sure Russell Crowe has, also. 

  • standtotheright

    And yet those two and many others have been paid to sing in at least one major motion picture. For the directors of those films, they also weren’t “pretending” to be singers.

    Crowe clearly didn’t have the vocal ability or the training to sing many of the songs the way they are sung on stages around the world.

    And if Lambert had said this, instead of using an unduly inflammatory turn of phrase, almost nobody would be talking about it. But I’ve seen the media tweets: “pretending to be singers” was the pull quote.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    That’s how comments are on sites such as Yahoo. Someone could cure cancer or save a child from a burning building and there would be terrible comments after the articles about them on sites such as Yahoo or on Twitter. The comments on articles after the Sandy Hook tragedy were nauseating. If you expect to see comments on the internet that are somewhat civil, do not go to unmoderated sites such as Perez or Yahoo and stay away from Twitter. It’s a free for all and people are going to post things that will make your skin crawl. Seriously, the best thing to do is to avoid reading the comments!

  • loveroftalent

    Thanks…But why don’t they just moderate them.  Why let hate take them over..

  • http://twitter.com/ttnlt951 Tony T

    Adam Lambert is a screaming idiot and seeing a gay blade like him singing in a movie like Lez Mis would not have brought any authenticity to the movie nor would it have provided any authenticity to the story behind this movie. Russell Crowe has class, and played his role wonderfully. His voice as well as the entire cast made this movie authentic and as Mr. Crowe stated, gave it a believable raw perspective.

  • suenigma

    It is so weird because I thought Russell’s singing was just fine – certainly not operatic, and very naturalistic, but it suited the role for me. What surprised me about the performance was his acting – so subdued and lacking in passion.

    If I want to hear outstanding vocals I will go to see a live performance (which I have done) or listen to one of the live recordings of the musical. The director was clearly going for something different here, and I appreciated it. Just a difference of opinion and taste I suppose.

    As an aside, everybody holds up The Sound of Music as an example of how to turn a musical into a film (and Hell, I love it to), but ironically when that film first came out many of the reviews were terrible, and plenty hated how cheesy and polished it was. It was mocked for years. And Christopher Plummer was/is a far, far worse singer than Russell Crowe, but I wouldn’t want to change a second of his performance. Just saying.

  • loveroftalent

    Maybe he had just gotten out from seeing the movie…A musical he has loved and very passionate about since he was 8, just took to twitter without thinking it fully out.  And knowing Adam he would never go back and try to change his wording or erase them all together like other have done in the past…I’m sure he wishes he maybe had worded things differently, but he didn’t and he will own up to it when he is asked directly about it…He will never try to hide from saying it…Something I admire so much in him…His honesty.

  • loveroftalent

    Wow…Didn’t you get all your hate out on all the other articles yet…No need to call names..

  • bridgette12

    I agree on one point, it was raw.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I hope those of you who are real fans of Adam don’t expect him, as an artist, to be a dumb-ass with no opinions ? -Dr. Brian May

  • loveroftalent

    Thanks for the reminder of that…

  • Tess

    what authenitic movie?  Les Miz is taken from a book, has been done in the movies before, and this version is supposed to be paying homage to the stage play that has been around for over 25 years.  

    Personally I think Tom Hooper missed the boat, trying to make the play “his” turned it into something that was lacking the umph and the power that was the original story and the book for the “opera” for want of a better word.  I didn’t want people sing/talking their parts, I wanted the entertainment the original score provides.  And as I said before, I think the individuals who wrote the songs and the score were tremendously short changed, something Hollywood has a bad habit of doing again and again.  At least this wasn’t as bad as Phantom, or Sweeny Todd, or Hairspray, or Grease.

  • lovetheusa1776

     Apparently an escapee from Yahoo.

  • loveroftalent

    hahahah….Thanks for the laugh..

  • bridgette12

    And yet when it’s all said and done, Russell agreed with Adam. Russell knows he can’t sing.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    They are sites that are set up to be basically unmoderated and they also get thousands of comments on many articles. You should know that going in and avoid reading the comments if it bothers you that much.

    That’s why many prefer sites such as this one, where a moderator is present.

  • Axxxel

    Sometimes it takes a village to create a nice image.. I bet the whole public relation team of Les Miz were standing behind him when he typed that tweet.. if he typed that tweet.

  • loveroftalent

    Thanks…but why is name calling allowed here though…

  • standtotheright

    That’s not MJ’s interpretation of his comments, or mine. If he knew he couldn’t sing, he wouldn’t have been releasing material since the 90s. I think he was offering a measured response to the underlying sentiment, not the exact phrasing. Which is the smart thing to do.

  • bridgette12

    Anybody can release material, it don’t make it good and certainly it don’t make it good enough that people would actually buy it. 

  • Montavilla

    Adam Lambert is a screaming idiot and seeing a gay blade like him singing in a movie like Lez Mis would not have brought any authenticity to the movie nor would it have provided any authenticity to the story behind this movie.

    Au contraire!  I think it would be very French!

  • Axxxel

    If Adam would be in the movie, singing  with Russel Crowe, he would have said.. “It was a great cooperation, even though vocal wise it could have been better”.

  • Montavilla

    I hope those of you who are real fans of Adam don’t expect him, as an artist, to be a dumb-ass with no opinions ? -Dr. Brian May

    Thanks for the quote!  Do you, by chance, have the source for it?

  • Axxxel

    which means that it cannot be a case of sour grapes because Adam would not fit in the movie anyway.

  • standtotheright

    And yet, a sold out US tour indicated that some people were buying what he was selling. He didn’t just release a few vanity iTunes singles. His music career started before he was a name actor in the States and he did well enough to make some influential contacts in the industry.

  • bridgette12

    It can be found on Dr. Brian May’s website.

  • Montavilla

    Thanks!

  • lovetheusa1776

    Classical definition:

    “A gay blade originally referred to a dashing swordsman whose sword was
    often upright and at the ready. Later it was applied to any gallant
    young man.”

    I’ll take it.

  • Axxxel

    Funny, when I first read Adam’s comments, I was not thinking of Russel Crowe… I was like: oh dear, Adam did not praise Hugh Jackman who has played in movies and musicals for years. Adam is going to feel the heat for this.”

  • loveroftalent

    Yes that does fit Adam…I guess I will take it also..

  • chillj

    The New YOrker:

    Crowe launches into his lusty anthems as if a platoon of infantry, stationed in his immediate rear, had just fixed bayonets without giving sufficient warning.

    Sorry Russell.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    I for one couldn’t fathom how some people could be so hateful with someone they don’t even know personally. Though Adam certainly isn’t the only one receiving hateful comments but all Artists and celebrities actually have.

    I know how bad those comments for any Adam articles out there could be so I never read them. The thread about Adam being on top of the list as AI judge months and months ago still give me nightmares.LOL

  • Axxxel

    I guess if you went to see a new version of  your favorite musical or movie and you were dissapointed by the movie and you were having a drink in a tropical Asian paradise island while still thinking of the preparations of an almost 2 hours live singing performance in a five star hotel the same night on that island… Then your emotions may run high.

    Conclusion… when emotions are high and one feels like criticising (future ?) bosses (directors etc) or calling people idiots instead of focussing on giving feedback on their actions…. better stay away from internet and cool down.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Taylor Swift has a worldwide arena tour that is sold out. She sells millions upon millions of albums and singles. Neither one of these accomplishments means that she is an amazing singer or even sings well, for that matter. These accomplishments also don’t mean she would have been a good fit for this movie and for the role of Eponine. I shudder to think of what Swift would have done to On My Own. Thank goodness the casting director decided to hire a trained singer, instead of a box office draw in the part of Eponine. He decided to go with the box office draw for the part of Inspector Javert and ignore the fact that Crowe could not handle the vocals for that part.

    Being a lead singer of a rock band =/= being a trained singer that is able to handle music that requires excellent vocalists.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    It’s on his site and he also tweeted it.

    https://twitter.com/DrBrianMay/status/265231951655497729

  • Axxxel

    Some people are more sensitive towards “sound”…. As you may know, there are visual, auditory and kinesthetic people/learners. I am more of an auditory person…You will easily recognize me because I like to talk and I cringe every time I hear someone sing slightly out of tune or cannot sing that well. I am not a good singer myself so if I want to torture myself, I just start to sing.
    As for Christopher Plummer, honestly speaking, every time he sings, I try to focus on his beautiful face (yeah, I am that old) so that I don’t need to hear and be distracted by his singing voice…

  • standtotheright

    I do. not. understand. why people are continuing to conflate “trained Broadway caliber singer” with “actual person with some singing ability.”

    One can be the latter and not the former. I actually think that Swift has a reasonably pleasant lower register with a certain sweetness to her tone. I think she has major pitch problems and needs more control in her upper register, and that’s an entirely valid reason not to have her sing live takes for a movie musical. That doesn’t mean that I would dismiss a performance from her as “pretending to be a singer.” She’s not pretending.

    That is the sole and entire issue I have with Lambert’s tweets. He should have phrased it better. If he was so upset that his precious musical wasn’t delivered to his ideal standards on film, he needed to just go hang out with some Harry Potter fans for awhile and get over it before getting into headlines over a quote that was, in fact, inaccurate.

  • loveroftalent

    Don’t we all have something that we are most passionate about..

  • Nadine_Bitch

    LOL I don’t know where the hell I was hiding all this time that I didn’t know or never heard both Hugh and Russel are singers and already on broadway. I only know them as Gladiator and Wolverine:(
    I must be living under the rocks!lol

  • Axxxel

    Maybe Adam has found another calling: entertainment critic. He did well as a fashion commentator on the red carpet of the Grammy’s a few years ago… he did  praise most of his “friends, colleagues” like Katy Perry and P!nk… I think he even said P!nk was the best dressed… but was not afraid to give less flattering comments to fellow American Idol alumn Underwood’s dress… Worst dressed according to him that night… Miranda Lambert.

  • Axxxel

    I think it is easier to criticize someone we don’t really know, especially when we can hide ourselves behind a nickname so that people cannot find out who we are…

  • loveroftalent

    I love Hugh Jackman in pretty much any movie and Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind…

  • suenigma

    You know what annoyed me about that night? He told Carrie how beautiful her dress was in the red carpet interview, and then called her one of the night’s fashion fails. I agreed with him, but it was kind of two-faced. Again, he is entitled to his opinion, but it is not, in my opinion, wise to harshly critique your peers, ever. I’m glad he isn’t doing those red-carpet fashion things anymore – dangerous territory.

  • Axxxel

    Agree… Adam Lambert’s name has been trending in yahoo for a couple of hours… When I see the name of another artist  trending, I just check out the title and move on…

  • suenigma

    Jackman won a Tony for his role in the The Boy from Oz, for goodness sakes! And he actually got his start in the United States with his multiple roles in Broadway musicals – Oklahoma, Carousel, etc. He has also hosted the Tonys three or four times. He is arguably more lauded for his work in Broadway musicals than his movie roles. This is common knowledge in the theatre world.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I do. not. understand. why people are continuing to conflate “trained Broadway caliber singer” to “actual person with some singing ability.” One can be the latter and not the former.

    Which is fine for popular music on the radio. It’s fine for awards shows, late night shows or NYE shows. On Broadway, people will have a problem with singers like Taylor Swift and Russell Crowe. This Les Mis movie was an adaptation of the stage musical. People who are used to hearing “trained Broadway caliber singers” performing the music from Les Mis have mixed emotions hearing voices, like Crowe’s voice, singing the same songs that they have heard on various stages in the past. For many, a person with “some singing ability” wasn’t right for this movie or singing this music.

    Why is it difficult to understand: A vocal that is that far removed and subpar to what one is typically used to hearing on these Les Mis songs, is distracting to many of the moviegoers who are also fans of the stage version. I felt this way, as did many, many of my theatre friends who voiced these opinions on twitter and facebook.

  • jpfan2

    Hugh Jackman had a one man show on Broadway  that was a complete smash. He’s supposedly an amazing live entertainer (singer, dancer, actor etc.) No reviews of any movie he’s ever been have matched the Bway reviews that I read. Not that I saw the show. It was impossible to get tickets!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Maybe all the lights blinded him but when taking a second look later he changed his mind.

  • bridgette12

    He was right about Miranda, she looked like she was going to a prom. As for Carrie, she dress wasn’t that memorable.

  • standtotheright

    Why is it difficult to understand: A vocal that is that far removed and subpar to what one is typically used to hearing on these Les Mis songs, is distracting to many of the moviegoers who are also fans of the stage version

    It’s not difficult to understand that some people find it distracting. It’s difficult to understand that people respond to that distraction by going scorched earth on the critiques. (For the record, I found the Lane review to be really self-indulgent.)

  • Axxxel

    yeah, I also noticed that ! ouch !!   If I were Adam , I would just make some “ooohh” and “aaah” noises…..neutral and open for interpretation. 

  • Nadine_Bitch

    LOL but you can’t say something like that ”ON Air” much less tell it in their face and if he did that it would have been a big mess. Imagine Carrie with all her sweet smile only to be told in front of the camera that her dress suck? He would be called every horrible names you could ever imagine.

    It wasn’t two faced for me. He might find it a good dress the time Carrie strutted the red carpet but when he needed to select for the worst ones with all the fabulous dressed Artists that were there, he simply find hers to be not that great compared to others.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Hugh Jackman did a respectable job in Les Mis, but his voice was more suited for the songs from The Boy from Oz. His voice was not right for Bring Him Home. He did not have the level of vocal ability needed for that particular song. A couple of times, his vocal delivery pulled me away from his acting and that was a shame. Jackman did an excellent job, otherwise.

  • mmb

    I saw it!  It was awesome :)  (also saw him in boy from oz — also awesome; and the play he did with Daniel Craig….not so awesome, altho the performances were good the play was a bit of a snooze)…..

  • suenigma

    Yeah. Professional critic is a tough role to play. He wanted to be polite to her face because he is a kind person, but he was also being paid to be a critic. I’m glad he isn’t doing it anymore, basically.

  • jpfan2

    I haven’t seen Les Miz so I can’t comment on anyone’s performance. Just wanted to affirm that Hugh is a BIG Broadway star. He is more acclaimed in theatre than film actually. I don’t remember Russell on Broadway though.

  • Axxxel

    Me too, I am living under a rock as well… I had no idea that Russell was on Broadway. I am not really aware either of all the Broadway performances of Hugh but I saw him on the opening act of an award show duetting with Anne Hathaway  (Oscars ?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Terhj8mjPwY and a duet with Neil Patrick Harris when the latter hosted the Tony’s.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I think his words were it looks like she went shopping at Bed Bath and Beyond.(Miranda) She then tweeted “Adam Lambert, I Love you and we should go eyeliner shopping”. lol

  • bridgette12

    Miranda don’t take herself serious, she can take a little criticism about her dress and not act like it’s the end of the world.

  • mmb

    Yup. Hugh is a HUGE Broadway star.  One of the few people who can guarantee to sell out night after night.  In fact, his one-man show didn’t qualify for any existing Tony category so they created an award especially for him since it sold out its entire limited run in record time (and ofc he won best actor tony for boy from oz).  Broadway producers would love to find another vehicle for him to star in — he was supposed to do a Pal Joey revival but that fell through.   All of that being said — and I am a huge huge huge huge Hugh fan (ok not of the wolverine stuff, just not my thing) — his Valjean was not above criticism.  Some of the material simply wasn’t well suited to his voice.  Doesn’t mean he isn’t a good singer or an electric performer 

  • Axxxel

    yeah, Jackman also hosted the Oscars Award show and had a brief duet with Anne Hathaway in its opening act (see my earlier posting for the link) but I am far away from the theatre world… too much into Television. I only knew about “the Boy from Oz” because Chris Colfer performed one song (not the boy next door) from that musical as his character Kurt in the TV series Glee…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Exactly, these are professional people who are used to criticism. Maybe it bothers fans like us but they brush it off their shoulders and move on. God Knows they’ve been rejected too many times to count. Carrie and Adam has met several more times and posed taken pictures together. I seriously doubt Carrie has given it a second thought.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Yeah, but not everyone is into Theater or Broadway. Except for Lea Salonga who I adore, I don’t know any Broadway actors or have seen any Broadway musicals. I just watched her performances in you tube and that’s it. I started watching Glee but I got easily bored, haven’t watched a single episode of Smash either. In short, I’m not really into that thing that’s why I don’t know anything because not interested;)

    I watch movies though;)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    people respond to that distraction by going scorched earth on the critiques.

    What can I say, for Broadway and Les Mis diehards, it’s a big deal. They are passionate about the music, the stage show and musical theatre in general. It’s like reading sports blogs on topics such as whether the right players are being selected, playing time and how the coach is doing. Some people are passionate about sports and some are passionate about musical theatre shows.

    I watch a game and it is either “yay, we won” or “boo, maybe we will win next time”. Other fans are crying in their beers and ranting on twitter.
    Those who casually went to see the movie are different than those who have seen the stage play many times. Even then, like in sports or anything else that people feel passionate about, the opinions are all over the place! lol

  • bridgette12

    If Carrie could survive the fan wars that went on when she on Idol, then a remark about her dress is small potatoes. She probably didn’t think nothing of it, because she was named best dress by other people.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    “I bet if Adam had been offered the role of “Marius” and sing live for the “raw and real” effect, he would be profusely praising the director for his creatively unique approach”

    Ummm, that was the whole point of Adam’s original tweet. If you are going to do live singing then cast singers! Adam is a singer!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I don’t know one woman who would get pissed when a gay man tells her she looks like a mess before she walks out that door. If anything she would be pissed if he didn’t tell her.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    Russell is a great actor, but his performance in this film was so flat and lifeless that I was surprised. Now I wonder if he and the director battled about the live singing to the point where Russell dug his heels in and gave a stubbornly passionless performance. Actors tend to have huge egos and never like to be seen in a bad light.  Knowing his vocals weren’t going to be sweetened might have been a source of contention for him.   His tweet does not mean he agrees that he can’t sing (he CAN sing but didn’t do it well in this film) but that he agrees with Adam that the singing should have been done in a studio. Russell knows that the big screen shows no mercy. One blemish is 5 feet high and one false note is like a clang of pots falling off a shelf. The actors WERE brave to live sing, but they had no choice. It was the director’s call. And just maybe Russell wasn’t happy about it at all.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Russell Crowe is downright gentleman for biting the bullet;  I do reckon Adam was criticising not only him but also others in the casts.  However Crowe’s statement made the main focus on him and pulls the criticism away from others. 

    I’ve always loved Crowe’s acting and will always be thankful that he was the one that asked Jackman to be cast as Wolverine after he refused the role.  

  • Axxxel

    It’s difficult to understand that people respond to that distraction by going scorched earth on the critiques.

    Not if you are in a stress situation when emotions can run high….Like preparing for an almost 2 hours live performance in a five star hotel on a tropical island while beating eg. jet lag.

    This all teaches me from staying away from internet when being tired or stressed out…

  • bridgette12

    DING DING DING!!!! Exactly, if you want singers to sing live, cast singers. Don’t cast people like Russell Crowe who’s obviously is not good at singing this type of music live.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Oh that was a good response from Miranda. She must’ve ‘get’ it that it was just a job and not anything personal:)

  • rufustfirefly2

    Since I had never seen the play, I had no one to compare Russell Crowe to.  I didn’t think his performance was as good as the other actors.  But the movie, and yes Hugh Jackman, were so stunning that I simply did not care.

    By the time Hugh starting singing, “Bring Him Home”, I was sobbing into my wad of popcorn napkins!  Beautiful performance!

    P.S. Love Adam Lambert and respect his opinion.

  • bridgette12

    Jet lag or not, Adam not pointing out the pink elephant in the room, don’t mean that pink elephant is not there. 

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    HA!  So much for the argument that the stars of the movie wouldn’t care what Adam says. 

    Just to re-iterate my previous points.  Yes, Adam is entitled to his opinion.  And yes, Adam just said what a lot of other critics have said.

    BUT – I still question the wisdom of an entertainer/public figure publicly criticizing other entertainers/public figures.  I’m sure Adam is quite aware that the entertainment business is quite political.  And that’s why most celebs bend over backwards to be diplomatic when it comes to other celebs (at least in public).

    “Speaking your mind” ALWAYS comes with consequences.  Now we know that Adam’s comments got to Russell.  It’s not much of a leap that others in the cast and crew heard about them as well.  And while Russell was a gentlemen in his public response.  There’s no telling what kind of repercussions there could be going on being the scenes.

    Adam is still trying to make his way up in this business.  I don’t care how the die hards try to spin it, it just wasn’t a wise move.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R37UM43PITK7QU5SHTDWSU7SNA emme

    I think that if Adam had played that part he would not have needed to be “sweetened” and would have been great

  • bridgette12

    Unless they plan on putting a hit out on Adam, I think he will be okay. Pretty sure most of them have been around long enough that the opinion of a runner up on American Idol, won’t affect them and their psyche too much. 

  • Axxxel

    hm I am not good in riddles. So I think what you are saying is… whether Adam criticizes the movie or not, the fact remains that there were some problems in the singing department of that movie.

    Am i right ? I guess not…

  • bridgette12

    I would love to see him in Hair, I love the songs a lot more and I think he would kill it. 

  • bridgette12

    Yes, there is problems with some of the singing. 

  • Pippygirl

    LOL but you can’t say something like that live and in their faces right
    in front the camera. And if he did, it would have been a big mess.
    Imagine Carrie with all her sweet smile only to be told in front of the
    camera that her dress suck?

    Well since Adam is celebrated far and wide among fans for “not having a filter” I’m sure he would have been defended to the death, lol!

    Russell Crowe was extremely gracious in his response. Adam may well be correct about the vocals (probably is but I haven’t seen the movie yet) but his phrasing was impolite in my opinion. Not the first time I’ve thought that-felt the same way with the tweet about Jessica “wiping the floor” with other contestants. Only difference is this time Adam’s tweet isn’t going to damage anyone (except maybe himself).

  • MellyPer1692

    Erg, I hope Adam continues to voice his opinion. This “you should always keep your mouth shut, you should never say anything controversial, you should never voice your opinion lest someone, somewhere, sometime may not like it” attitude is so dull and bland to me. It reminds me of robots and Barbie dolls. No thanks.

  • Axxxel

    yeah, too bad  Adam is too old for “Grease”…

  • Jordana33

     I think that if Adam had played that part he would not have needed to be “sweetened” and would have been great

    I guess it call comes down to whether you’d rather watch a great actor pretending to be a singer or a great singer pretending to be a film actor. 

  • Axxxel

    I hope someday, Adam will voice his honest opinions and get paid for it… Judge, mentor, critic… so many opportunities…

  • bridgette12

    Glad he’s too old for Grease.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    You’re missing my point.  I’m just saying – as someone who is ambitious and trying to advance his career – Adam should be careful not to piss off the wrong people.  And sometimes that means biting your tongue over “keeping it real”.

    Am I the only one who’s seen HBO’s “Entourage”?

  • Axxxel

    LOL but I still like the songs on Grease…  I saw in a youtube video Adam singing a snippet of “you are the one that I want ” with a female interviewer in New Zealand… sounded great…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqAqHy3yXnY if ever Adam is going to make an album with showtunes….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     HA!  So much for the argument that the stars of the movie wouldn’t care what Adam says.

    HA! I thought about you when Russell Crowe actually even took the time to respond on twitter. I was rolling my eyes thinking no way Adam is even that big of a player for anyone of them to care. So color me shock that Russell Crowe even bothered. The way I see it if Adam isn’t worried about what effect this could have on him I’m sure not going to. It’s his career. For all we know he may not be even interested in getting in the movie/musical business to care. As for potential album sales if woman beating Chris Brown is still selling albums I don’t think people will not buy his music over some movie critique. If he survived the AMAs he’ll survive this. People who disliked him before aren’t going to suddenly run and buy his music now. I can’t see myself not buying someone’s music because they dissed some movie. I guess there are people who buy albums based on how they feel about the artist ( Political view, sexual orientation, religion, ect.) but I can’t be bothered to get all that deep. I just want to listen to music I like.

  • milwlovesadam

    The controversy about bringing a beloved stage musical to the big screen is nothing new at all. Tom Hooper was brave in his style choice of live singing.

    That being said, then he should have cast better singers. Period.

    I had no problem with Hathaway or Jackman. Anne Hathaway was sublime. Jackman was wonderful overall. His weak Bring Him Home vocal was so emotional that I barely noticed it. I was too busy crying into my sleeve.

    Sascha Baron Cohen was amusing, I can now totally see him as Freddie Mercury with the way he was strutting around and singing. He also sang “weakly”. However, I have a feeling he can put it out vocally for Mercury. ( although, IMHO, Adam KILLED it for Queen this summer ).

    Helena Bonham Carter is a very poor singer. She was simply awful in Sweeney Todd, and I cannot believe she was cast in this movie. She is a great actress who cannot sing.

    Amanda Seyfried was pretty and sweet and acted well. She is not a singer. She couldn’t sing in Mama Mia and she couldn’t sing in Les Miz. She was squeeky and tremulous at best. Again, why cast an actress who can’t sing? I don’t get it.

    Redmayne and Tviet were wonderful actors and singers. Bravo!

    Where do I even start with Russell Crowe? He was stiff and poorly sung. When he does what he does at the end of the movie ( no spoiler here ) it doesn’t ring true. He is normally such a great actor, what happened here? And the vocal? OMG. He is just not a singer. Again, why cast someone to sing live who can’t sing? There are so many actors out there who CAN sing.

    I do not think Adam was trolling for a job in this movie or another. I think he was simply giving his opinion as a person who has performed in Broadway musicals. Not on the formal Broadway stage in NY, but in touring companies and in the Wicked production based in LA for a couple of years. Adam also knows quite a bit about vocals. For theater, opera, rock and pop especially.

    I love me some unfiltered Adam. Rant over.

    IMHO.

  • bridgette12

    Never seen Entourage.

    I understand what your saying, but do you also understand that these people might not care. Maybe they see it as one man’s honest opinion. 

  • tibitibis

    Well i guess most the people who watch this kind of movies  know for sure what to wait about the performances ?, i mean we know they are actors who sing for the movie , don’t think any of them are pretending to be Pavarotti’s , but still offering an quality act that keep the essence and intention of the piece …so i would say the criticism should be irrelevant for a professional actor like Russel C.
    Just my opinion. ;)

  • standtotheright

    It’s like reading sports blogs on topics such as whether the right players are being selected, playing time and how the coach is doing.

    Actually, in this case it’s like sports fans getting fired up because they don’t like the play reviews from sports journalists. It’s a different medium.

    Broadway fans are not, at this stage, babes in the woods who cannot understand that film adaptations rarely focus on vocals as the first casting priority. Films are directed differently. Everyone knows this. Those expectations should be baked into the decision to buy the ticket or not. I’ve read most of the extant Tolkien and I own the LOTR extended editions, but I knew that nine hours of the Hobbit wasn’t going to be a good film experience for me so I stayed home for AUJ.

    Passion doesn’t excuse rhetoric that goes beyond the facts. These people were singers, whether or not Broadways fans feel they were good enough for this production. A singer who can’t necessarily handle a huge Broadway score is. still. a. singer.

    I have to agree with No Thanks that if Lambert wants to work on any film musical in the future (regardless of whether he had any intention of auditioning for this one) then going full-bore with his criticisms in front of an internet audience that was largely not die-hard Broadway fans was not the way to sell himself as a team player. Expressing opinions with one iota of diplomacy is not selling out; it’s selling himself.

  • Axxxel

    Really looking forward to that movie about Queen starring S. Baron Cohen. So I guess they will not “sweeten” his vocals during this Queen movie ?

  • shell29

    True, but there’s always the chance that some of these industry people might care.  Just because Russell Crowe appears to be cool with it doesn’t mean other members of the cast & crew are. 

    No one is stopping Adam from expressing his opinions.  He hasn’t been muzzled or had his Twitter account suspended because of his opinions regarding the movie.  Perhaps he could have expressed it in a better way?  I think that’s all some people are saying.

  • durbesque

    I can understand that with the whole story hanging on a loaf of bread, the producers/director would want a powerful actor to make it seem plausible.  Apparently Crowe couldn’t muster the conviction to get it across.  And with rotten singing on top of no acting, I wonder if I’ll be able to sit through it. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1759402889 Natalie Blake

    No feud, and I don’t find Adam’s comments at all inflammatory, as he is an accomplished and amazing Broadway singer! I haven’t seen Les Mis yet, so I can’t comment on the singing, but I know that casting big actors instead of big SINGERS usually doesn’t go down that well.

    If anyone thinks Adam doesn’t know what he’s talking about, please check out Adam singing “Is Anybody Listening?” in “The Ten Commandmants”. It’s a fabulous, LIVE performance:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvwcJUhIa0U

  • durbesque

    I saw quite a few episodes of ‘Entourage’.
    Kinda like ‘Seinfeld’…mildly amusing, about nothing.

  • bridgette12

    And I like I said “maybe they simply don’t care”. 

  • bridgette12

    That’s beautiful, a singer singing live that sounds good. 

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Also a fairly accurate representation of what goes on behind the scenes in Hollywood that the general public does not see.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Hadn’t seen that in a while.  Damn, his voice is beautiful.  And his acting is actually good.  Thanks.

  • Axxxel

    I think it was mentioned in another thread how come P2 from American Idol (on fox) ‘s song “Home” was able to make it on the “Olympics”, even though the “Olympics” were shown on NBC..(which is home to e.g. The Voice). http://www.mjsbigblog.com/how-phillip-phillips-home-was-chosen-for-the-olympics.htm

  • jpfan2

    I think being “political” with your comments probably does help careers. I highly doublt anyone associated with Les Miz will be casting Adam in their next project for example.  This is purely my opinion and others are free to disagree 100%.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    “I think being “political” with your comments probably does help
    careers. I highly doublt anyone associated with Les Miz will be casting
    Adam in their next project for example.”

    EXACTLY.  That is one potential consequence.

  • bridgette12

    So Adam should be worried  over possibly not getting a hypothetical job from people he may or not offended. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    I agree.  I don’t think it’s wise.  It may be honest, but it sure isn’t kind.

    I think performers usually try to be gracious to other performers because they know they aren’t always going to be perfect themselves.  I mean, I never saw any other performers bashing Lambert for his off-key AMA debacle or his recent less-than-sweet vocal dismantling of a Madonna song.  And singing is his primary talent! 

    Maybe if Lambert keeps this up, others will stop being so forgiving of his own screw-ups. 

    Good for Russell for being calm under fire.   

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    YES.  If you’re in the business he’s in, that’s EXACTLY what you need to worry about.  It’s all about who you know, relationships, industry politics, etc…  Adam knows this and just might have burned a few bridges “keeping it real”.

    The EGOS in the entertainment industry are HUUUUUGE.  And some might resent Adam putting his comments out there and hold a grudge in the future when Adam might need them on his side.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    YES.  If you’re in the business he’s in, that’s EXACTLY what you need to worry about.  It’s all about who you know, relationships, industry politics, etc…  Adam knows this and just might have burned a few bridges “keeping it real”.

    The EGOS in the entertainment industry are HUUUUUGE.  And some might resent Adam putting his comments out there and hold a grudge in the future when Adam might need them on his side.

  • bridgette12

    Or they might not care. 

  • Jordana33

    Russell Crowe is a terrific actor and also a bit of a perfectionist, so I guess it shouldn’t surprise me that he also noticed the singing issues and wanted to “fix” them. However, I’m still really impressed by his response to Adam: He was respectful and candid, without even a hint of ego. Very classy.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Well, let’s hope for Adam’s sake that they don’t.

  • http://twitter.com/svmreiter Susan Reiter

    Probably.  But that’s because Adam CAN sing!  That’s what he was getting at.  Get actors who can sing.

  • http://twitter.com/svmreiter Susan Reiter

    Exactly!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    I doubt Adam is being sought after for anything of this caliber so he’ll
    probably be fine with the people he may or may not have offended.  It also probably explains why Russell couldn’t get too worked up about it.

    Now
    all bets are off if Adam starts lambasting the Pretty Little Liars cast
    or anyone on the CW.  That could affect future employment.

  • bridgette12

    Glad to see so many people worried about Adam’s future employment. 

  • Axxxel

    yeah, I can see Adam having some career in TV in the future…

  • Tess

    Tom Hooper may have a hard time getting stars to be in another musical if he gets to direct one…it isn’t like the critics have been all that kind to him and his experiment.  I wonder how many of the Actors cast in Les Miz didn’t have a heart attack when they found out how Hooper had decided to handle the singing.  They may have thought, like many Hollywood projects that had gone before, that if their voices were to tackle the “big” songs that they would have been assisted by some “sweetening” to make those moments stand out.

    And to think that Adam will be black-listed because he expressed an opinion is pretty ludicrous in my estimation.  That would mean that the big-wigs in Hollywood really are all about the critics and don’t have any kind of balls to stand behind their projects when others have criticized it…that would send out the totally wrong kind of message to investors.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    Oh, don’t get me wrong.  I love that he shoots his mouth off.  It’s just not smart for him, IMO.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Cracks me up.

    Well, Lambert spoke the truth about his reaction to the movie.  If he’s willing to take the consequences of speaking out, what’s the problem.  He’s a big boy – doesn’t need advice or pearl-clutching. 

    And what was Russell going to do – deny the obvious?
    He must have read the reviews.

  • http://twitter.com/Loretta31 Loretta

     WOW That was a really great vocal performance.

    Thanks I enjoyed that!!

  • loveroftalent

    Yes it is so nice to have so many people worried about him…Maybe his 15 minutes are finally up..I know how sad this will make so many of you..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    Maybe Simon will get him for X-Factor since the Idol thing didn’t work out.  He gets my vote.

  • http://twitter.com/Loretta31 Loretta

    Adam’s tweets made it onto Access Hollywood. 

    The hoopla still makes zero sense to me but then again isn’t one
    of nick names Hoopla Magnet?

    That is beginning to make sense to me now.

  • Tess

    And now I know why so many of these Actors are so messed up.  Even the hint of a criticism and their fans go ballistic and want to crucify anyone who may say that the Actor’s performance wasn’t up to par.  Do people really think that these people have such a gigenormous ego that they are devasted by a criticism and that they will make sure the person dishing out the criticism is black-listed for all eternity.  These performances are jobs for which they are paid good money.  It isn’t about life or death.  These people rebound from horrible, horrible movies all the time just ask Johnny Depp about some of his fiascos (The Tourist, anyone).  

  • http://www.facebook.com/esther.macha Esther Macha

    Whats so awesome to me is if anyone is wondering who Adam is and checks his twitter he put a link to a playlist his fans voted on of their favorite performances of the past year. He,s been a busy boy lots of great videos.

  • HKfan

    The difference being Adam can, has and does sing live well.

  • bridgette12

    Adam is an adult, who can deal with the consequences of his actions. How many times have you seen Shoshanna come behind him trying to explain what he meant? She don’t have to because he’s a big boy who can articulate what he wants to say and defend himself when necessary.

    As for Russell, he knew when he came in that he would be behind the eight ball when it came to actually singing.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

     It isn’t just actors.

  • HKfan

    I have seen quite a few critics, and film goers say that while they love Hugh Jackman, and he has been on Broadway, his voice was not suited for the part he played in this movie. Not every voice is suited to every role.

  • ANNIEBA

    I hadn’t listened to Adam singing “Is Anybody Listening” and “Come to Me Bend To Me” in a while also. They are stunning live vocal performances. Another one I revisited is Crawl Thru Fire from the Zodiac Show. Simply incredible vocals and he has gotten even better. Adam knows what he is talking about regarding live vocals so if anyone gets curious about him after all this hoopla they are sure to be impressed. I really don’t see a down side to this and seriously doubt it will affect any future employment possibilities. Hollywood actors and directors have certainly dealt with much worse, lol. Still reeling from the mileage this has gotten.

  • YankeeFan08

    Adam Lambert ?
    My movie review has gone viral. U can spend a whole year
    praising artists for inspiring work, but one critique gets all the attention.
    Funny 

    It’s so true.  Adam is always tweeting praise for other singers, etc., but it’s his one “critique” that gets all the attention.

  • HKfan

    I’m with Nadine Bitch, the only time I have heard Hugh Jackman sing was on an awards show once. There is a big world outside the US where things that happen on Broadway don’t get press. And are The Tonys ever shown outside the US??. Maybe they are, can’t say I’ve ever seen them though. I’ve only heard from him beacuse of Australia and Wolverine….I’m sure we’re not the ony ones…..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    Funny, yet predictable.

  • YankeeFan08

    Adam Lambert
    My personal opinion: there were times when the vocals weren’t able to convey the power, beauty and grace that the score ALSO calls for.

    and

    Adam Lambert
    I guess I’m a purist for the original LIVE broadway recording when the actors sang the f*ck outta those songs. JUST an opinion…

  • girlygirltoo

    Adam just tweeted about this again

  • loveroftalent

    Adam is so right…Anyone that follows him knows this about him…Poor guy…I hope he has stayed away from all the comments written about him…

  • HKfan

    Live singing is a bit misleading though, to me it implies they did it in 1 take, (like they would in theatre), but Anne Hathaway had 20 takes on her I dreamed a dream. Surely Russell could have improved a bit with that many takes…. 

  • YankeeFan08

    One final tweet … 

    Adam Lambert
    One last thing though: Anne Hathaway was so good- had me tearing up. Oscar worthy performance for sure! Ok. #donediscussinglesmiz

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    I don’t think you have to worry that much. Adam has been working in the business for a long time. He has lived in Los Angeles for 10 years and has a large group of friends in the show biz world, so I think he probably knows the rules of engagement.  Besides, what he said simply was not that bad for all the hand-wringing. In fact, it wasn’t bad at  all, and I doubt the actors are crying in their cups. 
    Also, I’ve lost count? How many times has Adam’s 15 minutes been declared “up” because of something he’s said or done?

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    I was talking with a co-working today who had recently seen Les Mis, and she said Anne Hathaway was amazing!

  • seashellz51

    Go Adam! Please dont stop sharing your honest opinions about something you grew up with and love. Im sure the world and the cast of Les Mis can handle your opinions. And I am also sure Adam can handle the opinions of his opinions….lol….He is a big boy and can take the heat. He’s right on tho. Thousands of positive tweets and one critique…. bam.. the world explodes…lol…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    I wish Adam would tweet about how great “boy in the street” and “girl #3″ were, just in case Hugh and Russell still don’t get that Adam thinks they are the ones that sucked.

  • Axxxel

    True… and by the way, Adam Lambert already performed with his band  twice on X factor, the one in Australia and the one in Finland.

  • bridgette12

    You can imagine that Shoshanna is thanking her lucky stars that Adam is able to talk for himself, because she would be a busy girl try to explain what Adam was trying to say. 

  • durbesque

    I would assume that they did many takes of Crowe’s singing and pieced together the best bits.  If he’s as bad as everybody says, imagine what the worst bits are like!

  • bridgette12

    I don’t think Adam had to tell Russell he sucked, he already knew from various reviews by movie critics.

  • loveroftalent

    So friggin true…All the positive tweet he puts out supporting other artists never get reported, but I do think they do get noticed…At least I hope they do…

  • supersonic

    The only reason why this is in the news is because this nonsense came out on what, New Year’s Eve?  It came out in the dead of the news cycle.  There was nothing else to talk about.  In real news, you had the fiscal cliff.  Entertainment news, nothing.  That’s why this blew up.

  • Montavilla

     Also a fairly accurate representation of what goes on behind the scenes in Hollywood that the general public does not see.

    Okay, but the main message I got from watching eight seasons of Entourage is that people in Hollywood will scream obscenities at each other until they’re blue in the face, then turn around the next day and offer them incredible opportunities.  Ultimately, they don’t seem to hold grudges.

    Except Seth Green.  Beware Seth Green!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    But he didn’t know what Adam personally thought.  Now he does!  Hugh might still be clueless about his shortcomings though.

  • seashellz51

     You mean Kimye’s baby isnt news? lol….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    And that’s why no one disses Robot Chicken!

  • Karen C

    Entertainment news, nothing. That’s why this blew up.

    There was entertainment news, though, with Kim Kardashian’s pregnancy.   For this to blow up like it did for Adam, he must have some degree of celebrity status, or it would have been ignored. 

    ETA: To me, that’s the important thing to take from this. Not what his opinion was, is that he gave his opinion and it became such a major news item.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Perhaps there’ll be a duel in the morning.

  • bridgette12

    One of them has to slap the other in the face with a glove, then they can duel. At ten paces and they only go for the flesh wound, no shoot to kill. Then everything will be right with the world.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/esther.macha Esther Macha

     Totally agree Karen C. I,m impressed.

  • supersonic

    There was entertainment news, though, with Kim Kardashian’s pregnancy.

    Yeah, and people are sick of talking about them.  So, it was either two famewhores announcing a pregnancy or someone who is semi-famous criticizing a big Oscar contender.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     FUSE: Adam Lambert Blasts “Les Misérables” Singing, Russell Crowe Agrees:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyYImqyYxFk&feature=youtu.be

  • Karen C

    semi-famous criticizing a big Oscar contender

    How many people say things about a movie they saw on twitter, famous, semi-famous or not, and how many become entertainment news stories?  Not that many…

  • waitingforthe1

    Adam just tweeted about this again

    why shouldn’t he?  we’re still talking about it so I figure he has the same right. 

  • mjsbigblog

    My movie review has gone viral. U can spend a whole year praising artists for inspiring work, but one critique gets all the attention. Funny

    Oh Adam. LOL. Thou dost protest too much. You’re neck deep in the publicity game you know exactly how it works.

    You offered the pull quote to us, first tweet. That was awfully nice of you to make our job so easy. ;)

    Personally, I’m done blogging on this. Make some music Adam, OK?

  • lovetheusa1776

    First the verdict, then the trial.

  • http://twitter.com/dam744 Damien Roberts

    First and foremost I saw the film and while I agree that Russell is not the greatest singer in the film it was hardly a poor performance, he really came into it by the end. And I did actually enjoy how raw all of the performances were, so…there!

  • ANNIEBA

    Isn’t this why you made two threads for this though? It’s been fun for me, I hope Adam keeps it up but I think he’s done with this topic, lol. I am sure something else will come up that will get the blog the hits.

  • lovetheusa1776

    I’m sure a lot has to do with the fact that Miz is a big deal – but still – worldwide?  Would think if Gaga, et al., had said this it might have the same result – but, now, not even sure of that.  Have to wait to see what the repercussions are, I guess.

  • waitingforthe1

     

    or someone who is semi-famous criticizing a big Oscar contender.

    In order for these comments to go viral the way they have Adam is surely more than “semi-famous”.  The readers of these media outlets would have to know who Adam is first for them to even care enough to read the story. 

  • waitingforthe1

     

    Oh Adam. LOL. Thou dost protest too much. You’re neck deep in the publicity game you know exactly how it works.

    You offered the pull quote to us, first tweet. That was awfully nice of you to make our job so easy. ;)

    Personally, I’m done blogging on this. Make some music Adam, OK?

    Adam just did a NYE concert in Bali, Indonesia.  He has a concert coming up in Vietnam and other Asian countries.  Does that mean you’ll be doing blogs about Adam making music as it relates to those performances? 

  • mjsbigblog

    Now that he’s complaining about how the press reacted, I”m drawing the line. lol. Although, I think this story has played out. No more hits to be had.

    Adam is a very intelligent, savvy artist. If he were a couple of months off of Idol, I could understand his reaction. But, C’mon

    He’s played this little scenario out with the press several times now–tweet a strong opinion, in a provocative way…shit storm ensues…loads of publicity result. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. He knows what he’s doing. He’s a smart man.

  • loveroftalent

    I don’t get what  you mean by protesting too much…What is he protesting..Sorry if I don’t understand what you are trying to say…

  • mjsbigblog

    I treat Adam as I do all the Idols and celebrities I cover herer. If he performs something post worthy, there will be a post.

    But I’m not running a concert blog. So, no, there won’t be a thread for every performance.

  • loveroftalent

    Sorry I didn’t take it as complaining but more at why can’t some people see the postive that he does, and why just focus on something that can be turned into a negative against him…

    I see as Adam as a kind hearted person not mean and calculating at all..

  • durbesque

    You throw a new light on Adam’s record sales, or lack thereof, in the USA.  Everybody knows who he is, but they don’t buy his records.  I know who he is, and I don’t buy his records.  I’m more typical than I ever imagined.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Even if this were true, MJ – and there’s nothing to really back it up but opinion – what’s wrong with it? 

  • loveroftalent

    I don’t understand your comment that well, but I suppose there has to be at jab a Adam somewhere in there..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    Too bad Adam didn’t think to sing his critique.  Then he could have gotten attention for his singing. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     Evan Rachel Wood
    ?@evanrachelwood

    You are just being honest. Thats why we love you ;) Everyone has the right to their opinion @adamlambert

    EntertainmentTonight
    ?@ETonlineAlert
    @adamlambert had a few more things to say before he was #donediscussinglesmiz http://www.etonline.com/movies/128679_Adam_Lambert_Criticizes_Les_Miserables_Russell_Crowe_Resp
    onds/index.html

    Michael Buckley
    ?@buckhollywood

    @adamlambert lol can’t wait for the Miss Saigon movie comes out to hear your thoughts!

  • roarpen

    “Oh Adam. LOL. Thou dost protest too much. You’re neck deep in the publicity game you know exactly how it works.” < yup!

  • ANNIEBA

    I agree that Adam is smart but you seem to be accusing him of being devious and calculating and I just don’t see that. I don’t think he sits around thinking about what he can do to stir things up, and I don’t see how he could have possibly foreseen all of this publicity which seems to be the scenario you envisioned, wow.

  • MellyPer1692

    Adam has been making music lol. He did a whole concert in Bali. He has one coming up in Vietnam. He just hosted Divas and had three performances there. He starts his international tour in March. He is right, though. He praises so many artists all the time.

    What I really liked about many of the articles on this was the acknowledgment of Adams musical knowledge and vocal prowess!

  • Kirsten

    And now I know why so many of these Actors are so messed up.  Even the
    hint of a criticism and their fans go ballistic and want to crucify
    anyone who may say that the Actor’s performance wasn’t up to par.  Do
    people really think that these people have such a gigenormous ego that
    they are devasted by a criticism and that they will make sure the person
    dishing out the criticism is black-listed for all eternity.

    I’m failing to see the difference here between some Actor fans and some Idol fans.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Dr. Brian May wants to join in the fun. He tweeted Adam’s Bali review.

    BrianMayCom@brianmaycom
    Night to remember @AdamLambert toured w #Queen last yr taking
    adulation/rave reviews. G Michael w attitude Freddie aura http://bit.ly/UdwSph

  • roarpen

     lmao Kirsten!

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    Personally, I’m done blogging on this.

    I’m glad because the discussion is at a stalemate. But, I will admit I was glad for the topic so I could talk about Les Miz. 

  • loveroftalent

    This is something I will never understand why people think so little of Adam, that he is so calculating..What I see in him is certainly different than what alot of others see in him…He is one of the most supporting of other artists that I have every seen…From other Idols to major stars…

  • bridgette12

    That’s nice of him, hope there’s some plans for them to collaborate again.

  • loveroftalent

    I think that should say all Idol fans…

  • seashellz51

     That Bali review is fantastic!

  • ANNIEBA

    I wish I could bring over the new pic of Lumberjack Adam going around, it would be oddly appropriate right now, lol. And he looks hot as f**k.

  • loveroftalent

    Ahh..Brian May…what a sweetheart

  • loveroftalent

    I saw it and I totally agree with your assessment of it…

  • Eileen99

    I agree that Adam is smart but you seem to be accusing him of being devious and calculating and I just don’t see that. I don’t think he sits around thinking about what he can do to stir things up, and I don’t see how he could have possibly foreseen all of this publicity which seems to be the scenario you envisioned, wow.

    Oh, please.  I don’t even follow Adam closely or even much at all beyond what I read here or see come across my twitter feed, but even I can see this same pattern with him & his ~innocent criticisms of people from Susan Boyle to James Durbin to Usher to Justin Bieber. 

    On the one hand, some of his fans claim he’s so savvy, smart, articulate, and should be teaching the Idol contestants about social media, and on the other hand fans also want to claim he’s innocent and was only having a conversation with his fans.  At some point, you’d have to be blind not to notice he stirs the pot for attention; it’s been happening since Idol.

    And no, I’m not jealous or homophobic.  I don’t care much for Adam & that’s based solely on this type of repetitive, tedious behavior.  And no, it’s not specific to Adam, I don’t find this behavior appealing in anyone.

  • breakdown

    I’m surprised by Russell’s reaction. I thought he was more prickish than that! Except for a couple of the female performances, Les Mis pretty much bored me and was way too long. Also, if Adam had been offered a role do you not think he would have cleared his schedule?!

  • lovetheusa1776

    That would’ve been delightful – followed by the phone book as an encore.

  • supersonic

    How many people say things about a movie they saw on twitter, famous,
    semi-famous or not, and how many become entertainment news stories?  Not
    that many…

    Uh, there’s a ton.  Adam Lambert is not the only person, famous or not, to go on a rant about something on twitter and makes headlines out of it.  There’s always twitter nonsense that makes the news.

  • ANNIEBA

    Aww, I love Dr May! And yes, that is a glorious review. Adam and the band looked like they were having a blast too. Little did Adam know that his little movie review was going viral at the same time, hahaha! Oh wait, I forgot it was all part of his master plan, lol. Throw the tweets out and then pretend to forget all about them until afterwards and then act all surprised. Sounds exhausting, where does he get the energy?

  • http://aislinntlc.livejournal.com/ aislinn

    Adam’s father weighs in, in his usual witty and very on point way: https://twitter.com/milestougeaux/status/286690070721863680
    People will ascribe whatever motivations they want to his tweets. If you don’t like him; you’re going to view them in the worst possible light. If you do, you’re going to view them as not having some manipulative hidden agenda. 

    Eileen99, have you seen the number of positive tweets he makes; praising other artists? No? They far outweigh the negative, and are pretty unique among artists, since you rarely see them praising each other. This is why his fans don’t ascribe this negative motivations to his actions that you do.

  • lovetheusa1776

    From someone who actually knows him and has worked with him – that’s an opinion worth having.

  • ANNIEBA

    Doesn’t it look like it could be the cover of one of those romance novels with all the hot sex? Step aside Fabio!

  • jpfan2

    “At some point, you’d have to be blind not to notice he stirs the pot for attention; it’s been happening since Idol”

    I completely forgot about the SuBo incident! Don’t remember the others at all. But now that it’s pointed out, there is a pattern. I think the most attention worthy was Adam as a possible judge for S11. That went on for awhile. ;0

  • loveroftalent

    Beautifully stated…

  • bridgette12

    His dad is a smart man. 

  • ANNIEBA

    Oh man, did I miss something on Justin Beiber?

  • albean99

    I don’t follow Adam but find myself a little surprised that he’s yet again making controversial comments.  He’s certainly been there done that already so you’d think he’d take a little more care before he tweets. It doesn’t matter how many good tweets/comments you make, people are going to remember the negatives.  

  • http://aislinntlc.livejournal.com/ aislinn

    Show was in 2009; it’s now 2013, and he made a negative comment about SuBo, a reasonable criticism of Durbin, and a critique of a movie. Yeah, that’s some pattern he’s got going there. 3 episodes in over 3 years is sure to garner him that attention he’s so ravenously seeking by these actions.

  • loveroftalent

    I finally see how it goes around here…(Some) fans of other idols, band together as one to knock down Adam…I must be a dummy to have not seen it before now..

  • bridgette12

    It was during a Grammy performance and Usher and Beiber were doing their lip sync/dance routine and Adam tweeted that the dancing was great, vocals not so much. He sort of again, stated what everyone already knew.  

  • seashellz51

    Yeah.. I dont recall Adam making “innocent criticisms” of James Durbin, Usher or Justin Bieber. If he did, then I say they were probably warranted. Yeah, the SuBo was a little harsh, but who cares.. once again… just an opinion. 

  • loveroftalent

    Yep…there will always be someone ready to dig them up  every chance they get…

  • bridgette12

    You forgot one, he complimented Jessica and Joshua and didn’t give P2, Hollie and  Skylar a pat on the head for their efforts. 

  • ANNIEBA

    Then what’s the big deal? If it is so common why are we still talking about it? Even MJ is sick of it despite the hits, lol. I am getting a kick out of it though, I like that Adam is still such a hoopla magnet, haha.

  • ANNIEBA

    Oh yeah! Why didn’t that go viral, I mean it’s Justin Beiber and Usher for gosh sakes? Adam must have miscalculated on that one.

  • alterego

    And there was the infamous “smelly fans” slam. In addition to ripping Susan Boyle, there were his slams against Clay Aiken, James Durbin, Justin Bieber, his wiping the floor slam against Hollie Cavanaugh, Phillip Phillips.

  • roarpen

     “On the one hand, some of his fans claim he’s so savvy, smart,
    articulate, and should be teaching the Idol contestants about social
    media, and on the other hand fans also want to claim he’s innocent and
    was only having a conversation with his fans.  At some point, you’d have
    to be blind not to notice he stirs the pot for attention; it’s been
    happening since Idol.”

    Exactly, it’s a pattern, whether he does it knowingly or not, it just keeps on keeping on. If he is so smart, he would learn from and stop repeating his mistakes (or as his stans like to call it – his honesty). It’s like he has some sort of compulsive disorder. And rather than enable him, someone should take him to task and tell him to stfu – like Daddy milestogeaux or his mother or brother. They, nor his fans, don’t do him any favors by always defending and excusing him. It makes the non-stans dislike him even more. Nobody is saying he can’t saaang. But if he does this stuff he will get the reaction – that I think he either consciously or unconsciously is looking for. Don’t even try to give me the “he’s just being honest and even Russell Crowe agrees” garbage. Adam has a need to provoke – and so he does. Too bad it isn’t his music we are all talking about.
    I used to think he was the cat’s meow, but I have grown very disillusioned with him. He is his own worst enemy.

  • bridgette12

    I guess it was so obvious and not unexpected, that most people didn’t care.

  • seashellz51

    Its only a mistake if you think its a mistake. Maybe you should tweet Adam and tell him to STFU.  :) Some people just arent afraid to express their opinion on something they know quite a bit about. I find it rather funny so many criticize Adam about having an opinion. Compulsive disorder? Wow.. thats HARSH!

    This is a reply to roarpen. :)

  • roarpen

    If I tweet him to stfu I will have 1,000 angry glamberts tweeting me. LOL. I know when to NOT tweet something stupid – LMAO! But I maintain my opinion, and, as I am sure you will attest – we all have the right to our opinions – right? LOL!

    I am with Adam on one point – nuff said about this subject. G’nite.

  • alterego

    There is a difference between expressing an opinion and being down right cruel.  Case in point with Hollie Cavanaugh.  Why go after her the way he did, when she was already being thrown by the judges each week.  He could have just left it that he preferred Josh and Jessica.

  • Miss Chaos

    I dont think Adam is making any mistakes.  He is just stating facts that other people already know, and are to chicken to say.  He has every right to say what he wants, free speech and all that.  He says hes not for everyone nor should he or any star or singer be.  Ya like him or ya dont.  Personally I like him a lot, for his singing and performances, and ya even for speaking his mind once and awhile.  This whole thing has really been interesting, thanks MJ for the 2 threads to discuss Adam, been interesting.  Especially the part about how people dont like him, I dont say hate because thats an awful word.  Fans do kinda defend the people they are following, thats why they are fans.

  • bridgette12

    It’s twitter, you can say whatever you like. They don’t show up at your door with pitchforks. 

  • Eileen99

    Show was in 2009; it’s now 2013, and he made a negative comment about SuBo, a reasonable criticism of Durbin, and a critique of a movie. Yeah, that’s some pattern he’s got going there. 3 episodes in over 3 years is sure to garner him that attention he’s so ravenously seeking by these actions.

    I’ve been reading here since 2009 and so that covers a lot of territory of various Idols doing/saying all kinds of things.  I don’t follow Adam on twitter, so I don’t know what all he says there, mostly just what I read here.  I am not a fan of or interested in Clay, Constantine, JHud or scores of other Idols, but that doesn’t stop me from remembering things about them that I read here or having an opinion.  If I have an opinion about a post, I’ll make a comment.  If the same type of story keeps occurring, I remember it, and to me that makes a pattern.

  • roarpen

     LOL – oh let’s not go there.

  • ANNIEBA

    Actually, I see lots of patterns here…. However, I don’t think Adam made a mistake, it just is what it is. If the media weren’t so interested in Adam this would hardly have caused a ripple, but he’s popular I guess. As far as music news there is plenty of that on the Adam fan boards, the man has hardly had a rest from concerts, events, some TV, especially internationally, and all pretty much centered on his music. And pictures, oh the many, many pictures, magazine spreads, the guy is busy! And somehow he fits in all these twitter schemes to cause a ruckus which is just ridiculous thinking, IMO.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    It’s all rather amusing.  Either Adam is a Machiavellian PR genius, or he’s a clueless moron who’s his own worst enemy – both opinions based on the exact same “pattern of behavior.”  It’s one or the other.  Or, as I see it, neither.  But in any event, it can’t be both.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t believe Adam’s tweets about Les Mis are going to hurt his career prospects.  I just don’t.  There are any number of reasons why Adam might not be cast in some particular project, but I don’t see those tweets factoring in at all.  By all indications, Adam is well-regarded by those with whom he has worked.  He has been lauded for his professionalism and his pleasant personality.  His vocal talent is widely recognized as being exceptional.  His turn on VH1 Divas demonstrated his charm, his ease in front of a camera, and his comedic flair.  And the media is interested in him, whether it’s a new cover song, a new hair color, or a Twitter rant.  I think those things are more important than the fact that he didn’t like some of the vocal performances in Les Mis, and tweeted about it. 

  • http://aislinntlc.livejournal.com/ aislinn

    Wow, compulsive disorder, that’s an interesting interpretation. I find it so fascinating that people that come on blogs to…EXPRESS OPINIONS…many of which can be extremely judgmental and negative, are so quick to tell celebrities they’ve got no right to express their own. Clearly those celebrities don’t really hold those opinions; they’re only expressing them to stir the pot, or gain attention.

    It’s the same thing that happens to celebrities that express political views; if they’re not shared by the person reading them, it’s not just a disagreement with the opinion, it’s the fact that the celeb shouldn’t even be stating it.

  • roarpen

    Well, the impasse is clear. Thankfully we don’t have to compromise and pass legislation together. It’s just time to agree to disagree and say goodnight. Night.

  • Larc

    I can’t imagine another Idol saying the same things that Adam did and getting as much attention.  To say it got overblown would be extreme understatement.  I don’t think any individual’s opinion of any movie really matters that much.

  • ANNIEBA

    Sharon-” It’s all rather amusing.  Either Adam is a Machiavellian PR genius, or
    he’s a clueless moron who’s his own worst enemy – both opinions based on
    the exact same “pattern of behavior.”  It’s one or the other.  Or, as I
    see it, neither.  But in any event, it can’t be both.”

    Perfect summation of this thread. And amusing indeed.

  • bridgette12

    I seem to gather he’s an Machiavellian PR genius, because of the timing of the tweet and a clueless moron who should stfu when it comes to the content of the tweet. Maybe he’s not obsessive compulsive, but has a split personality disorder which would fit the situation when he goes off on these tangents about other people. 

  • lovetheusa1776

    A need to provoke?  Of course.  All great artists “provoke.”  Inspire great love and great hate.  Goes with the territory.  When breaking down barriers, such as Lambert has done and is doing, such animus is not unusual. 

    He’s a beautiful, highly sexual homosexual – that alone is a provocation as he doesn’t hide what he is.  He’s very courageous to do that – choosing to live that way from the beginning and putting his career on the line.  But, things have changed a lot in the last few years (as he’s said) and Frank Ocean’s “coming-out” created only a ripple.

    And, yes, I’m sorry we don’t get a chance to talk about his music more as I believe his voice is the finest in the “biz” today, and his music and performances really outstanding.

    I just hope that, even if one is not a fan, he’ll be given a fair shake.

    There are singers I don’t care for at MJs and I refrain from posting negative comments there – see no value in making others feel bad.  Life’s short – we’re all in this together.  Nothing wrong with a little kindness.

  • HKfan

    The lumberjack pic for those that wanted to see it…

    https://twitter.com/AdamLambertHelp/status/286681032097402880/photo/1

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Eh, Kris Allen said Joshua was the best singer on AI EVAH! He pretty much slammed everyone during his season, Clarkson, Carrie, JHud and everyone else from season 11. That was his opinion. People have them.

    Kris, James, P2, Clay, Kelly and even Carrie have said and done things over the past few years that were considered questionable or in bad taste. That doesn’t mean they have some type of compulsive disorder or some problem. They have thoughts and opinions and people agree or disagree with them.

    If we are going to list every opinion that Adam ever offered about anyone, let’s list all the hundreds of positive comments in hundreds of interviews and tweets he has sent out about the other Idols and other artists the past 3 years. Then lets run down all the negative comments that have come from other Idols about anything or anyone. I think we would find that Adam is a very positive person and he comments in a negative way no more than the other Idol contestants or music artists out there.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    That might not be such a bad suggestion.  Last seasons Idol rendition of the phone book went over as well as Adam’s last 3 singles.

    If only Adam could figure out how to turn blog hits into album sales he would have goldmine….or a Gold album anyway.

  • girlygirltoo

    Eh, I don’t know. If Kelly or Carrie had tweeted the same opinion about Les Miz that Adam did, it likely would have gotten a lot of press notice. 

    It certainly has blown up into something far bigger than his original comments really deserved (IMO, of course), though

  • ANNIEBA

    Thank you for posting this! I think this is from the RS story photo shoot. Damn, he is good looking!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    We have Kim K. getting pregnant with Kayne’s baby before she was even divorced. Then there was the Taylor/Harry kiss caught on film. Then there was Fantasia slamming the gays. Now, we have a paparrazi death from following Bieber’s car.

    That was plenty of entertainment news for a day or two.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    And Clay and JHud and Fantasia.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Better than having neither, I guess.

  • bridgette12

    You might be right about Kelly and Carrie, they are probably the only other Idols that the media would notice if they tweeted about Les Mes. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    If only they all could. At least he still has a contract and is busy doing an international tour playing to crowds anywhere from 1,000-17,000 fans who paid good money to watch him perform his music. He’s still getting opportunities such as PLL and VH1s Divas and he still has possible concerts with Queen in the future.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    If only they all could. At least he still has a contract and is busy doing an international tour playing to crowds anywhere from 1,000-17,000 fans who paid good money to watch him perform his music. He’s still getting opportunities such as PLL and VH1s Divas and he still has possible concerts with Queen in the future.

  • suenigma
  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    OMG. I’ve changed my mind. I’m not tired of this convo at all as it’s gotten better and better. Why is everyone forgetting the Nazi jacket? Surely that was yet another desperate attempt on his part for free press. Knowing him, he probably stitched the swastikas on himself when the wardrobe mistress had her back turned. Also, remember when he sang with Queen? What a cruel smack in the face to Led Zeppelin!! And he embarrassed poor little Allison Iraheta by asking her to open his tour for him, as if she couldn’t headline one of her own!  The worst thing is the way he promotes his fellow Idols albums and singles in his tweets. He’s just riding their coattails! Jerk. He’s just a bad guy all around! (Says NO ONE EVER who has worked with him or knows him personally.) 

    I’m all for MJ getting hits as I love this blog. If Bad Adam brings them, more power to her. But, I have to say that people who really believe he’s a bad, conniving guy are probably off base. I think he was brought up in a family where strong opinions were valued. With that comes a sort of give and take that allows for sarcasm and joking that makes it all more innocuous. I come from a family like that. It’s a challenge for me to see the hurt feelings and obsession with how “Adam knew what he was doing because he is so media savvy.” I mean, if someone in my family were a celebrity, they’d be up Shit’s Creek. They’d always be in the news for being an asshole. Sometimes, people just want to say what they think. I know I do. Adam said what he thought. Agree or disagree, but why the attachment of motives? Frankly, that sucks and reeks of butt hurt. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    True, if that’s the attention you want.  Paris Hilton even got a recording contract out of being a “newsworthy” celebrity so it has it’s benefits.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I am too, but I was thinking of the Durbin slam to Gaga, Carrie kissing a young boy on the lips, Kelly firing her guitar player on stage or endorsing Ron Paul. Deja Vu is everywhere. LOL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    It’s good he has those options.  I have no doubt he can continue a career in the entertainment industry whether or not he ever sells Gold again.  A lot of Idols who didn’t become superstars have very good careers and are better off for having gone on Idol to raise their profiles.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Your new purchase?

  • MellyPer1692

    How did he go after Hollie??? Did Kris Allen go after everyone when he said that Joshua was the best singer ever on Idol?? That sure insulted everyone else’s didnt it?? Hmmm…don’t remember a lot of backlash about that.

  • suenigma

    True, but none other so precisely prescient. Semi-famous singing show runner-up publicly and colorfully critiques a more prominent (at that time) singer, and gets a ton of free press and plenty of heat. His supporters claim refreshing honesty and the right to an opinion, his detracters claim rudeness, jealousy and famewhoring. I always thought the truth lay somewhere in the middle. Still do.

  • MellyPer1692

    I hope he never stops telling what he wants to the way he wants to, lol I love reading the responses, both good and bad. the emotions on both sides are fascinating as are the patterns of the comments. There are definitely issues there.

    I like people who speak their mind. It why I think Durbin is entertaining even though I can’t stand his voice, I like his attitude. It’s why I love Kelly too. Others out there that I admire for this type of attitude are Pink, Madonna, Gaga, Adam Levine and Xtina.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    That’s when Adam accused Clay of having a hidden agenda and using the media to “ride his coattails”.  No allowance for simply an “honest yet harsh” opinion.  And Clay didn’t even tweet it to the world.  It was on his private message board and got copied over.

    So why is it so perplexing that not everyone thinks Adam is a poor innocent little boy who didn’t understand the impact his comments could have?

    He understood how the media works when Clay made his comment, but suddenly he is an idiot who is “Shocked! I tell you! Shocked!” that the media picked up a quote like “actors PRETENDING to be singers”.  He even capitalized PRETENDING for us.

    I, for one, don’t want Adam to shut up.  And people who offer their “honest yet harsh opinions” that he’s being a tool should also get their say and have their “right” to say it embraced as well.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

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  • suenigma

    Well…one is a simple compliment, with an vaguely inferred insult to those who chose to read into it. The other was a compliment, plus an explicitly stated insult.

    For instance, imagine if Adam had simply said that Anne Hathaway was far and away the best actor and singer in Les Miz? Isn’t he then implying that the others are not as good? I wonder if such a comment would have generated the same controversy?

  • lovetheusa1776

    Of course, and no one has said that right shouldn’t be available to critics.  It’s Adam’s fans defending him that get the heat and told they shouldn’t do so. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    No, I was not generous enough to help save her career.  She did debut with 75k though, which is on par with Adam’s sophomore effort.  Interesting.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    nvm

  • bridgette12

    I’m reading and laughing at some of these responses. Adam can really rock the boat when he wants too. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    Any time I’ve ever seen Adam criticized, his critics face an onslaught of attacks and are told their opinions are invalid.

  • ANNIEBA

    True, but Adam doesn’t need defending. He has handled much worse than this all by himself. I still admire how he handled the AMA debacle with no “spokesperson” or publicist buffering for him. I also believe he did nothing wrong except apparently get a whole lot of attention rather effortlessly, which seems to bother a lot of people. Actually the more negativity the better because it shows even people who don’t like him can’t seem to ignore him and this is a sign of his power, IMO. The more the need to post detracting remarks, the more importance they give him according to my psychological evaluation, lol.

  • nyc57

    I first discovered Hugh Jackson when they showed Oklahoma on PBS.I loved him so much,I immediately bought the dvd.i believe it made him a star.I also saw him on B’way in The Boy From Oz about Peter Allen.It wasn’t a great play but no one cared because he spend much of it interacting with the audience.He really was the most charismatic performer i have ever seen and i think most of the audience agreed.
    Since he is the star of the movie ,I assume Adam was talking mostly about him.Did Adam not realize that Huge was a singer and won a Tony?He did host the show for years.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Any time I’ve ever seen (fill in the blank with your favorite Idol contestant or music artist) critisized, their critics face an onslaught of attacks and are told their opinions are invalid. This is the way it always works.

    In truth, your opinions or anyone else’s are just as valid as Adam’s opinions about Les Mis.

  • ANNIEBA

    I think Adam just didn’t think the score was done justice in this instance. Not much more complicated than that.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I’m pretty sure Adam knows that Hugh was on Broadway and was in The Boy from Oz. We don’t know who Adam was referring to in his tweets. Your assumption may be incorrect. He could have been referring to Crowe or to Amanda Seyfried or Eddie Redmayne.

  • ANNIEBA

    IKR? I like it though. Like Adam, I enjoy a good debate. The fans have been relatively pragmatic and controlled the gushing (except me with that lumberjack picture, but come on!) and the detractors have mostly kept their insults thinly veiled so it’s all good. It is supposed to be fun, no?

  • bridgette12

    Why don’t you tweet him and find out? None of us can answer for him.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    Well it’s a Hollywood movie, the pretty faces are the most important thing, if you want vocal chops and singing purity go see it in theatrical setting.  Although I haven’t see it yet, I’m sure Adam is 100% on point :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

     Right, so Adam is not being treated any worse or any differently than anyone else.

  • nyc57

    I saw it and he was incredible.As i noted before he is the most charismatic person I have ever seen live.The play was just serviceable but it didn’t matter.I wish i had seen him in Oklahoma, but i love the dvd.
    My sons love him because of XMEN.He must have an incredible fan base.My son saw LeMiz with his girlfriend and they both raved about it,so it appeals to people who never saw the play

  • bridgette12

    Idols are not cookie cutter, treatment depends upon where you fall in the food chain. 

  • lovetheusa1776

    Not really. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    That’s been my thinking all along, glad we agree! :)

  • lovetheusa1776

    There’s sure not much down the middle with Adam.  Ignore him?  Doesn’t seem to work that way.

  • lovetheusa1776

     Agree.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Great discussion – ‘night

  • Axxxel

    @MJ and @Zsus:disqus 
    ,I’m glad because the discussion is at a stalemate. But, I will admit I was glad for the topic so I could talk about Les Miz.

     I wish I could  click for above statement of Zsusk “liked” a thousand time !! I haven’t seen the movie yet but I am glad for these 2 threads so at least I will not be too dissapointed when I will see/hear the singing in  the movie and I will try to focus more on the emotional side of the movie.

  • ANNIEBA

    No, I think Adam gets it pretty bad and not just here. The only one who comes a little close is Durbin but I haven’t looked at any of his threads in a long time so I don’t know if it is still going on. With Adam it has always been a free for all dump but like I said, I think this is a good thing!

  • http://twitter.com/OmerDaniel Omer Daniel

    Well, of course, because then the result would have been good. That’s exactly what his point. Good singers would have justified the director’s artistic choice.

  • Omer Daniel

    Well, yeah, because then the movie would have been alot better. That’s exactly his point. Had the director used real and good singers – It would have justified his artistic choice.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Actually he is… isn’t he in tour right now? He was in various big events but… oh no one cares. I might be wrong but I never see(except for the diva) Adam’s gigs listed in the headlines.

  • TackyZacky

    Actually I think Russell Crowe is a perfect fit for the obsessed inspector Javert role, both physique-wise and voice-wise.

    To me, Javert is a pathetic caricature of a man whose obsession with absolute adherence to and  implementation of the law has tragically rendered his sense of judgment of explicitly good human behavior completely warp.

    So I’d picture this character to be physically rough-looking and intimidating (representing extreme rigidity and desire of perfection on the interpretation of the law) but vocally sounds pathetically “strained” ( representing the character’s desperation to come across as perfectly justified in his rigidity but miserably failing.)

    I think Russell personifies that image to me to a “T”. lol

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”There are singers I don’t care for at MJs and I refrain from posting
    negative comments there – see no value in making others feel bad. 
    Life’s short – we’re all in this together.  Nothing wrong with a little
    kindness.”

    Lambert is so quick to be Judge and his actions are easily been accused of… so sad but true. I don’t what he had or did that makes people dislike him so much:(

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Any time I’ve ever seen Adam criticized, his critics face an onslaught of attacks and are told their opinions are invalid.”

    lol That’s the nature of overly invested fans who regard their favorites like their offspring or real life friends/relatives. It’s amusing to witness most of the time, but it can be annoying and idiotic sometimes. It’s often just not rational.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “He understood how the media works when Clay made his comment, but suddenly he is an idiot who is “Shocked! I tell you! Shocked!” that the media picked up a quote like “actors PRETENDING to be singers”.  He even capitalized PRETENDING for us.”

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Adam knew that description would attract attention. ;)

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Didn’t Carrie said something about Scotty’s originality? or something to that extend.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think that you bring up some good points about Russell’s casting. I also felt that Russell physically personified Javert very well, although his singing was lacking. I didn’t think that he was “horrible” (perhaps I was expecting him to be much worse). He had a couple of good acting moments in his last song, just before he commits suicide, but they weren’t enough to redeem his whole performance, which was too muted. Nevertheless, I didn’t feel as strongly negative about him as others have felt.

    I liked the movie a lot (also saw the stage musical twice and it’s my favorite musical of all time). The movie was flawed, and I doubt that I will see it again (or buy the DVD), but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Could the singing have been better? Yes. Would I characterize any of the actors as “pretending” to be singers? No, they are all singers, but many of them just did good/adequate jobs in their singing. I liked Hugh, Samantha Barks, and agree with Adam that Anne Hathaway’s performance was “breathtaking”, so memorable. I thought that Sacha and Helena were too cartoonish and OTT in their roles. Overall, I would recommend the movie to others, caveats.

    MJ wrote:
    “Crowe is actually explains and defends director Tom Hooper’s artistic viewpoint in a very polite way.”

    I agree. I mentioned on another thread that I thought that Russell’s response to Adam’s comments were very classy and professional.

  • suenigma

    “Lambert is so quick to be Judge and his actions are easily been accused
    of… so sad but true. I don’t what he had or did that makes people
    dislike him so much:(”

    I like Adam. I think that he is a great vocalist, a nice, charming, charitable guy, and he is ALWAYS entertaining. But at the same time, he can occasionally be a bit of an ass, and/or put his foot in his mouth – this being one of those rare occasions. Pretty much every Idol (and human being alive) has made a few missteps, and this being a discussion blog about the triumphs and foibles of Idols, we are going to discuss them, usually ad nauseum. I enjoy the discussions, and I will also be here with bells on to celebrate his next triumph!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “There are singers I don’t care for at MJs and I refrain from posting negative comments there – see no value in making others feel bad.  Life’s short – we’re all in this together.  Nothing wrong with a little kindness.”

    I’m not sure what you mean by “making others feel bad”. Do you mean making fans of those being criticized “feel bad”? If so, I don’t understand this sentiment. It would be different if the person being criticized were a real life friend or member of my family, but I don’t feel bad when someone doesn’t like a celeb I’m a fan of. And if you are saying that people shouldn’t be critical of celebs and to do so is not “kind”, then you are definitely describing Adam as not “kind”.

  • irockhard

    I’m gonna have to agree with what MJ said in the other thread that Adam likes to stir the pot and knows how to get a reaction. This is 100% calculated, he’s out of the country, so he makes a smart ass comment so that he doesn’t drop off the radar in the US, and this won’t be the last time he does this.

    Yip he’s a great self promoter and this is entertaining reading for sure, but the problem is when he does this sort of stuff he comes off as more of a fame whore than an artist. So IMO he’s doing more harm for himself than good considering that he is still known more for stuff like this than his music. The negatives outweigh the positives IMO.

  • YankeeFan08

    Nah, the only ones who think of Adam as a “fame whore” are the ones who were never and will never be his fans anyway.

    I’ll take Adam’s honesty and outspokenness any day of the week over meek, bland and boring.  That’s one of the things I love about him.  I find him endlessly fascinating and entertaining.  He’s certainly not for everyone, but if you prefer meek, bland and boring there are a boatload of other artists to follow.

  • Karen C

    I don’t think Adam did this because he knew it would get attention. He even said he has given opinions before and this hadn’t happened. I think it just happened. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    Since we being real, not meek, bland or boring…. a’ight.

     Maybe some would be more inclined to be fans if some of the more obnoxious aspects of his personality weren’t so in your face. What some construe as honest and outspoken comes off as famewhorish, attention seeking desperation and obnoxious to others – to the point of turning them off anything the person has to say or is trying to sell them… In your face works in small doses.  It seems to be Adam’s only speed – subtlety (sp), nuance and discretion need not apply. Adam may be his own worst enemy in this, in taking the casual might become a fan and turning them off him with these antics year after year that reek of nothing more than cheap famewhoring… if that floats the boat of his hardcore base, cool.  Keep supporting him. There are enough fans in his base to help him make a decent living and keep him from returning to the chorus line – but that ‘next level’ of stardom will be out of reach – and it’ll be his own fault. How ironic to accuse Crowe and others of being ‘actors pretending to be singers’… pot, meet kettle. JMO, and being honest and outspoken.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    Haha, I know.  I’ve been reading for 10 years how “this Idol” or “that Idol” has it so much harder than others and is so much better than the rest. 

    They all get praised like immortal gods by their fans and they all get trashed with nonsensical insults.  And they all get some valid criticism too.

    Every comment I’ve read about Adam, his talent, his personality, his “kindness”, his musical knowledge, his experience, his label, his management, his reputation in the industry etc. has all been said before. 

    There is noting different happening with Adam when it comes to the way he is treated either by fans or by detractors.  Only the names are different.

  • ANNIEBA

    I rest my case. The amount of energy and passion Adam inspires is truly impressive. He’s irresistible!

  • mmb

    I highly doubt that Adam’s various comments on twitter have or will adversely effect his career.  look at some of today’s biggest pop stars — Rihanna, Chris Brown, Gaga,  Bieber, Pink, Britney…often obnoxious, in your face, in some cases criminal, inserting foot in mouth, drugged out, controversial etc. etc.  And they were no different when their careers were just starting out so its not like they have somehow now earned the right to be controversial whereas Adam hasn’t earned such right.  As others have said, those who find him offputting or famewhorish etc are unlikely to be fans of his music or stage show anyway.  He isn’t running for Congress here. 

  • kmd23

    It is not just Adam’s comments on twitter that made this a such a  publicized story, Adam has some very zealous ( for lack of a better word. lol.) fans and twitter followers. The twitter followers that were sending Russell Crowe tweets are the ones that fueled the story. It is just too bad that he does not have enough of those fans that buy his music. Adam’s music should be more important than this story. Getting buzz on this story does not help his music career. I think that Adam should do a Broadway show as he would be great in it and it might help his career. He seems to be a fan and critic of Broadway musicals so it might be a good fit for him. 

  • ANNIEBA

     But even the people who don’t like him seem to find him endlessly fascinating! That’s what is so amazing! Why else would they waste their time on his posts, it’s so tiring but they can’t help themselves. It’s great.

  • mmb

    Adam hasn’t sold any records in the USA?  He has sold several million downloads in the US, and at least a million albums in the US.  Which is more than 90% plus of Idol finalists can say. I’m a bit confounded by the new Idol bubble meme that if sophomore single and/or album sales don’t equal or exceed debut single/album sales then somehow the debut sales didn’t happen or are meaningless.  This isn’t limited to Adam – I see it in regard to P2, saw it with David Cook.  75-80% of the artists with the biggest pop hits of 2012 will likely not have a sophomore hit.  Some may never have a hit again; some may.  Doesn’t negate the fact that they got a hit to begin with. P2 has a huge hit and his album is doing well.  Those sales are not suddenly erased if his next single doesn’t hit, or if his next era isn’t as successful.  David Cook had a super successful debut era. Thats something to be proud of, not tossed aside because era 2 didn’t go as well. Most artists will never have that kind of success ever.  Re: Adam, for the foreseeable future, as long as “everybody knows who he is” he will be able to sell concert tickets, get booked for gigs like Divas and PLL, be covered by Rolling Stone etc. And maybe the stars will align again to give him another commercial hit

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Evidently his ‘style’ of obnoxious ain’t working like theirs, so maybe some kind of tune up or readjustment in his game plan is in order.  When someone so OBVIOUSLY talented as he hasn’t broken through like those others you cite to that next level SOMETHING IS WRONG, no?…. but then to think about it, most of their obnoxiousness and assholery didn’t come out until AFTER they had broken through to that ‘next level’…  they at least had the common sense to wait until they had sales, or the kind of buffer real stardom affords you before they let their bitchassness come to the fore… Adam shot himself in the foot right out the gate… and continues IMO to do himself no favors… like I said his fans can have him, or have at him… it would take a miracle, or much better music from him,  for many who have been turned off him to support him…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    I think in fanworld “famewhore” is replaced with “refreshing honesty”.  Yes, it’s been said before about other Idols before Adam.

    Another fun thing Idol fans say….”I had stopped listening to music until XX came along and got me back into it.  XX is the greatest singer/performer I have ever seen in my life!”

    Translation, “I haven’t listened to music years and have no clue what else is out there.  I stumbled across XX on TV and now all I do is watch XX youtube videos, google XX news and rewatch American Idol Season X on my DVR….but just the XX parts.”

    How about this one:

    “Radio is dead.”

    Translation:  “My Idol doesn’t get played.  I haven’t listened to radio in years.  How dare they not take my request.  I’m going to stop listening again because I only tuned in for XX anyway.”

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Another fun thing Idol fans say….”I had stopped listening to music until XX came along and got me back into it.  XX is the greatest singer/performer I have ever seen in my life!”

    lol Sometimes, it’s so extreme that the fan only listens to music by their Idol. Seriously. They NEVER listen to any other artists ever, but just their Idol. That is kind of creepy IMO.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Naw, It’s more like watching a trainwreck… it’s horrifying, kinda fascinating, but you just can’t avert your eyes… kinda the opposite of what’s happening with PP, which I find more fascinating.  someone who has nowhere near the vocal ability or seeming popularity of Adam, but is having more success getting his music across, and connecting with folk – with his no singing behind, lol… lotsa LULZ in Idolville – Adam is just one supplier of them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     ****BRAVO*****

  • Axxxel

    honestly speaking, I felt that the outcry of the media was more because Adam Lambert “dared” not to praise Hugh Jackman who has performed on Broadway for many more years compared to Russell Crow… Isn’t strange why it is Russell Crow who reacted to Adam’s tweet ? I mean, why not Hugh Jackman reacting to Adam ? Imagine if he says :” I do not disagree with Adam…”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     ****COSIGN*****

    Loving this refreshing, outspoken honesty here!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Especially in the entertainment business, bad behavior from an artist is tolerated proportionally to how much money he/she can earn for others. Commercial success allows a lot of tolerance for bad behavior.

    “As others have said, those who find him offputting or famewhorish etc are unlikely to be fans of his music or stage show anyway.”

    That’s not necessarily true. I don’t like the way that Adam phrases some of his critiques (not just in this latest case), and feel that the same critique could be made without using the harsh (his description) language that he sometimes uses. I like that Adam seems to be honest and applaud his talent and like some of his music, but the fact that he is sometimes overly harsh (again, his description), makes me less sympathetic when he receives harsh criticism from others (of course excluding the homophobia).

  • kmd23

    I was just watching Good Morning America and they were talking about the Les Miserables movie and just briefly mentioned Adam’s comments on twitter regarding the movie.  They all love Les Mis on GMA or at least are being told to love the movie.  I guess this story is everywhere. lol.

  • Axxxel

    Chris Brown beat up Rihanna real hard (remember the pictures of her bruised face ?) for which he has been tried and people are still supporting him and buying his music !

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    Let’s hope Lorne Michaels lurks here!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I know that Russell responded to someone who tweeted him directly about Adam’s comments. It appears that only Perez Hilton and one other person tweeted Hugh about Adam’s comments.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=adam%20to%3Arealhughjackman&src=typd

    Perez Hilton is such a douchebag, trying to stir the pot. lol

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     I ain’t defending that shit he did – but he’s getting a pass from the music industry – and Rhianna who is back with him – because he was a real STAR,  a moneymaker for his label, his managers, his agents, etc…, which is all that matters in that world… He beat her face off, the public for the most part don’t care, Rhianna don’t care evidently cause she’s back for more – but he and she are cash cows and get away with their assholery, for now… Adam is nowhere near their level of stardom, he gets no passes or bumps up the ladder until he begins to sell more music. Good luck with that.

  • Axxxel

    Another fun thing Idol fans say….”I had stopped listening to music until XX came along and got me back into it. XX is the greatest singer/performer I have ever seen in my life!”

    It may sound funny to you, but it is exactly what happened to me…. I am an auditory person, therefore I pay more attention to music than to the visual appearance of an artist. I was brought up in the era of Queen Rock, cheesy disco and synthesizer pop….Yes, I am that old…

     Very old fashioned for the kid’s music today which is more techno dance (I think), rap,  “I don’t know/understand what music “,  because I was not listening  to music anymore on radio, on CD’s…

    until Adam Lambert came along… You have no idea how it felt when someone sings one on your favorite oldies (that you have not heard for 30 years !!) with so much emotion, with a  modern twist and technically well sung…

    HHmm sounds maybe like this new version of Les Miz”…… much emotion, modern twist.. and eh technical well sung ???  But I think many people don’t really care whether Les Miz movie is well sung because they are more visual people/or visual learners and are more influenced by what they see than what they hear…

  • kmd23

     You are right. Rhianna and Chris are cash cows in the music industry and can get away from anything. Money talks in that situation as unfair as it may be. Also Rhianna backs Chris and is with him again so why should anyone care.

  • Tess

    Won’t the proof in the pudding about all of this be in how the movie does once the blush of its high priced roll-out is measured in terms of actual sales for the movie, the CD, and the eventually DVD not to mention how the actors do in the final voting for awards, both individual and the movie as a whole.

    We can all consider Adam wrong if Russel wins tons of awards, if Hooper wins for Best Director, and if the movie wins over and over again.  With all the fanfare this should be the movie of the decade, the material was there and 25 years of constant performances should mean that millions have been waiting for the play to hit the screen.

    Many overly hyped movies pull in the viewers the first few weeks, especially those who are vested in the product, now we get to see how it does as word of mouth spreads.  Will Joe Blow on the street choose this picture to spend his money on even though more and more critics are absolutely second guessing Hooper.  Will those who have never seen a stage version of Les Miz embrace what this movie has to offer.

    I’ll wait until Spring to see if my “feelings” (which mirror Adam’s) are echoed by others or I’ll eat my words if the movie does win it all and then you can all tell me how wrong I am.  Won’t make me enjoy the movie anymore, but I will concede to the masses. I’ve been wrong before.

  • ANNIEBA

    Haha, if Adam is what a trainwreck looks like, I guess I’ll take it! PP is doing great now but he still hasn’t accomplished half of what Adam has but I’m rooting for him. But thanks for the kudos for Adam’s singing ability.

  • shell29

    There’s nothing wrong with expressing an opinion.  It’s just that it might be best to have a bit more tact when offering that opinion, especially when it comes to your peers in this industry.    Adam IMO hasn’t learned that yet but maybe he will in the future.

  • Axxxel

    Don’t eat your words, no matter what happens… everyone is entitled to their own opinion… it is just about the way how one expresses his/her opinion and through which media.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    I dunno…I’m not seeing this constant douchebaggery on Adam’s part that some seem to see.  More to the point, I’m skeptical that anyone who isn’t already invested in disliking Adam sees it, either.  Adam’s press, overall, is much more positive than negative (not counting comment sections of articles, which tend to be cesspools of OTT crap from both haters and fans), and most of his more ~controversial statements either had little or no traction outside the “bubble” (i.e. the “smelly fans” tempest in a teapot), or upset people who were extremely unlikely to ever become Adam fans anyway (i.e. the SuBo comments).  Adam is not portrayed in the press as a talentless fame whore; for the most part, he is praised for his extraordinary voice, his personality and his intelligence.  Les Mis-gate makes for a fun press cycle, but to suggest it will have any kind of long-term negative effect on his career is attaching waaaay more importance to it than it actually has.  As with everything else, This Too Shall Pass – and the uninvested people out there will forget all about it.  

  • jpfan2

    “Another fun thing Idol fans say….”I had stopped listening to music until XX came along and got me back into it.” 

    So true. The other classic is “Radio plays complete trash. So why don’t they play the latest single by Idol XX.” I guess the irony is lost on most fans. :0

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    then what’s the point in famewhoring if people forget about you so quickly, lol… maybe adam needs to give up this pretense at being a pop singer – more people seem to respond to his famewhoring efforts than purchase his music or watch him on shows like divas jive, er, live – just keeping it real.

    #famewhoringisabytch

  • alterego

    It’s too bad Adam Lambert couldn’t generate this kind of public interest when his CD came out.  At almost 31, he is past his prime of being a relevant pop star if he already hasn’t made it.  Despite being the most hyped Idol ever, FYE failed to sell Platinum in the U.S.  TP only sold about 140K here.  They did not want him as an Idol judge.  He sees the writing on the wall.

  • shell29

    That’s the sad part about it-as talented as Adam is no one is talking about his music or his album right now.  All this press, all this “attention” and “buzz” and so-called “relevance” isn’t doing a thing to bring attention to his music on his home turf-at least to a point that most people in the general public would care.  That said I don’t get the sense that Adam really cares how he gets that “fame”-by any means necessary, I suppose?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    He already got the pimp coat, so whoring for fame ain’t that farfetched, lol… gotta go make the daily bread, ya’ll keep it real and honest and outspoken round heah! :)

  • Axxxel

     maybe adam needs to give up this pretense at being a pop singer

    Yeah, maybe in the US… I also don’t like “pop Adam” that much but apparently the people in Asia and Europe like “pop Adam” a lot…Oh well…

  • Axxxel

    Yes, on the USA-wall !

  • mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    This meta discussion of “what fans say” – Totally off topic. Also AGAIN. Don’t put words in commenters mouths or question motives. Yeesh.  Also, no whining about the negativity aimed at your snowflake–also off topic. 

    Meta discussions based on the discussion are OFF TOPIC.

  • Tess

    Name me those Idols who put out an album a year ago and show me all the talk about their music.  Many of them are sitting home on their hands or doing lounge gigs and no one in the press is talking about their music.  If I read anything about them, outside of blogs, its because something “happened” in their lives not their careers.  

    The only musical peeps I see in the mass media are there for reasons outside of their music.  Justin ’cause his car was involved in the death of a pap, Taylor ’cause of her teenage crushes (its getting sad to see her go from boytoy to boytoy), Katy and John because they are dating, and even idols: Kelly and her fiance, Carrie and her husband, Tasia and her rant, Scotty and his wisdom teeth, Jordin and her boyfriend, Kris and his broken arm and new baby.  The only one who is getting much press for his music is PP and that is because he is the new kid on the block with a very good song.

    If singers were only in the press because of their material or their recordings we would never hear about most of our favs.  Press just doesn’t seem to work that way.

  • YankeeFan08

    Very well said.

  • waitingforthe1

    You throw a new light on Adam’s record sales, or lack thereof, in the USA. Everybody knows who he is, but they don’t buy his records. I know who he is, and I don’t buy his records. I’m more typical than I ever imagined.

    You might not buy his records but you certainly have enough interest to read and comment on news items involving him so I guess that means he’s relevant to you in some way, even if it’s not about his music. 

  • Axxxel

    Yeah… Adam already has some full circle moments…
    1. Auditioning with a Queen song, eventually singing with Queen in American Idol , European Music Awards and for 2 hours with Queen during 6 shows. 
    2. Pimpcoat when performing “Dragon Attack” with Queen, same pimpcoat in VH1 Divas
    3. Messing around in a soundcheck with Madonna’s song, eventually messing around with the same song on VH1 Divas
    4. Keeping it real, honest and outspoken, who knows eventually he ends up as a judge on a singing reality show outside the USA as the USA does not seem to like him. He was already a guest judge on “Project Runway” though.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I’ll wait until Spring to see if my “feelings” (which mirror Adam’s) are echoed by others or I’ll eat my words if the movie does win it all and then you can all tell me how wrong I am.  Won’t make me enjoy the movie anymore, but I will concede to the masses. I’ve been wrong before.”

    I don’t think that you need to change your opinion of a movie just because it wins a lot of awards or is commercially successful. Just because an artist or movie (or anything for that matter) is commercially successful or wins awards shouldn’t impact a person’s opinion, unless they concede that their own opinion is less important to them than others.

  • ANNIEBA

     Omg, I am actually going to have to agree with you about the coat, lol. Yet another of Adam’s WTF fashion choices, hahaha!
    However he is making up for it in this Vietnam Press Conference vid. Gaaaah, he’s cute!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q6zTvQLRZ7w

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “but he and she are cash cows and get away with their assholery, for now”

    I’m not sure where my post went, but in the entertainment industry, bad behavior is tolerated proportional to the commercial success of an artist (and how much $$ he/she’s earning for others). It’s always been that way and will continue to be that way.

  • Axxxel

    Adam knows how to be tactful in the public space (in real life or in cyberspace)…most of the time… but I agree with you that he has not learned his lesson yet…

  • waitingforthe1

    That’s when Adam accused Clay of having a hidden agenda and using the media to “ride his coattails”. No allowance for simply an “honest yet harsh” opinion. And Clay didn’t even tweet it to the world. It was on his private message board and got copied over.

    At least Adam sat through the entire movie and had more than a few second worth of information to base his opinion on and at least he didn’t go on to say that the movie didn’t deserve to win any awards because Hollywood had gotten away from the purity of the movie musical of the past. 

    Clay said he had only briefly tuned in to see the “set” and it happened to be when Adam was singing.  He found it contrived and awful and made his ears bleed.  He then went on to say that the right guy had won without ever once hearing Kris sing a note.  That sounds to me like sour grapes from another runner-up who was feeling a little bitter and jealous that a lot of HIS fans were talking about Adam and asking him his opinion. 

  • Axxxel

    Chris Brown is a moneymaker, but in my eyes/ears, I don’t understand his music so I cannot see him as a star.

  • KatMyers

    Or maybe Hugh Jackman just considered the source and having done that determined it was not worth the effort – assuming Hugh even remotely thought that either the comments or the source were relevant to those that count, including himself lol.

  • supersonic

    We have Kim K. getting pregnant with Kayne’s baby before she was even
    divorced. Then there was the Taylor/Harry kiss caught on film.
    Then there was Fantasia slamming the gays and Kanye slamming the
    Grammy’s. Green Day announced that they would resume their tour. Kris
    Allen was in an auto accident and he announced that his wife is going to
    have a baby! Now, we have a paparrazi death from following Bieber’s
    car. 

    Let me break this down:

    Yes, there was the announcement of the spawn
    Taylor Swift and her latest guy of the moment happened after New Year’s
    Who cares about Fantasia?
    Kanye slammed the Grammys?
    Green Day stuff happened after New Year’s.  In fact, I’m just reading about it now.  Totally forgot Billie Joe was in rehab.
    Who cares about Kris Allen?
    Bieber will always be in the news and I believe that happened after New Year’s.

    Most of this stuff happened after New Year’s.  Adam made his comments right before New Year’s Eve when there was nothing happening.  Plus, the movie had just come out on Christmas and it is a major Oscar contender.  So, that goes back to me saying that’s probably why this got so much play.

  • shell29

    Name me those Idols who put out an album a year ago and show me all the talk about their music

    Why?  We weren’t talking about “those Idols”, we’re talking about Adam.  I mean, if it make some folks feel better to say that “those Idols” aren’t doing much better (or are doing worse) than Adam in that regard then that’s fine by me.

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    Just got to say that Russell Crowe showed a lot of class in his response.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The latest box office figures for Les Miserables as of January 1, 2013:

    “Domestic: $80,579,110   62.3%
    + Foreign: $48,700,000   37.7%
    = Worldwide:  $129,279,110″

     http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=lesmiserables2012.htm

  • MellyPer1692

    I think you’re missing the point. Most entertainers when they are not in their album cycle are discussed for things other than their album. Otherwise, we would never know about thinks like engagements, home sales, romances car accidents, baby news, breakups, restaurant eating, , etc etc etc. I’m just glad that many of the articles discuss Adams musical knowledge and great voice!!

    I like all the comments, good or bad. I see over zealousness on both sides of the fan (or not) spectrum. It’s fascinating.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    kmd23: It is not just Adam’s comments on twitter that made this a such a 
    publicized story, Adam has some very zealous ( for lack of a better
    word. lol.) fans and twitter followers. The twitter followers that were
    sending Russell Crowe tweets are the ones that fueled the story. It is
    just too bad that he does not have enough of those fans that buy his
    music. Adam’s music should be more important than this story. Getting
    buzz on this story does not help his music career. I think that Adam
    should do a Broadway show as he would be great in it and it might help
    his career. He seems to be a fan and critic of Broadway musicals so it
    might be a good fit for him.

    Adam fans did not make this a big story. It went from Twitter to the press in less than 30 minutes. Why? A global celebrity that people are interested in made a provocative comment about a movie released worldwide that people are interested in. That turned into a global story.

    Russell Crowe was not bombed with comments from Adam fans; he responded to a question from a Russell Crowe fan. He responded after this was already a global story and just extended the news cycle for the story.

    The producers of Les Miz are probably just sitting back and smiling. The whole thrust of the ad and PR campaign for this film was the “live singing”. This story just fed into their PR plan. If anyone is pushing this story, it is the film backers. It is exactly the story they wanted out there — this is not a typical Hollywood musical, it is actors singing live — a “new” approach to a movie musical.

    What amount of sales is “enough”? Adam has sold over 2 million albums and 6 million tracks worldwide. Seems to be “enough” for RCA to exercise the option for Album #3.

    Why should Adam do a Broadway show when he can sellout venues with his own show and make more money and promote his own music?

  • girlygirltoo

    It’s a shame that the media is more interested in reporting things like weddings, babies, domestic disputes, etc. of the musicians, rather than reporting about their actual music. Music criticism as a profession barely even exists anymore — I used to see reviews of concerts in newspapers all the time, now I hardly ever do, for example. Same thing with album reviews — outside of the specialized music magazines and maybe a few major newspapers, I hardly ever see these things, when just 3,4,5 years ago, I’d see them all the time.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Tess: I assume that you have actually seen Les Miserables? I don’t recall your posting your opinion of the movie.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “What amount of sales is “enough”? Adam has sold over 2 million albums and 6 million tracks worldwide. Seems to be “enough” for RCA to exercise the option for Album #3.”

    I didn’t know that Adam was going to be recording his third album. Where was that reported?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Scotty and his wisdom teeth,”

    Huh? What about Scotty and his wisdom teeth? Are they impacted and need to be removed? This was in the news? How did I miss this? lol

  • Montavilla

    Yes, there was the announcement of the spawn

    Sorry, this is bugging me.  Partly because I’m falling into it myself.

    The child that Kanye West and Kim Kardashian are expecting is his or her own life.   The child is not them.   It hasn’t done anything to deserve being hated on.

  • Axxxel

    Good thing Adam declined to answer that reporter’s question about his “Les Miz” tweets comments during that Vietnamese press conference…

    Yeah Adam looking fabulous sitting next to the local Vietnamese managing director of Hennesy..

  • Axxxel

    can’t recall which interview but Adam did mention about making new music…But I do agree with you that he did not talk about a new album.

  • Axxxel

    Adam was introduced at the Vietnamese press conference earlier today as a poprock artist….

    Hope in the future Adam will do a bit more rock.. Oh well, wishful thinking.

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    I saw this along the side posts and just had to come see what this was about.  Yes, Scotty had surgery yesterday and wisdom teeth removed.  And, yes, it was in the news/blogs and even radio stations posted about it.
    I think it may be because he’s so young that it’s of interest and it is a down time…

    Also, I see reviews of concerts all the time (we keep track of them over at IDF for Scotty).  I also see them in my local newspaper…it’s just this stuff gets interest in addition…

  • newinNM

    I think it was the Lyndsey Parker interview for Diva’s, she asked about US tour and he said something about feeling an urgency to get out new music so there are no tour plans for the US. (Made me sad) There has been no info from RCA about “parting ways” with Adam so the hope is a third album is in the works.  He also said something about “going in a different direction” so who knows maybe just a single with another artist.  Focus on the positive, YEA new music!  I’m surprised this is still going, I understand why it started, but why is it still going?  As I said before, if someone is looking for an artist for a part (music, TV, film, whatever) they want someone who can create buzz, a media blitz like this COULD make them take a second look at Adam.  It’s all good.

  • Axxxel

    It is still going because Adam is still in the spotlight of his fans as he will perform in this Hennesy concert in Vietnam on 4th Jan 2013.  It is similar to the concert that he performed in at the end of last year in which he did a duet with a portugese female singer on a song of Lenny Kravitz.. so at least his fans will be wondering what he is up to next… another duet ?New covers ? Or the same routine as in Hong Kong last year ? 

  • alterego

    What amount of sales is “enough”? Adam has sold over 2 million albums and 6 million tracks worldwide.

    It is never “enough” as far as the record label is concerned. These numbers will only have any legitimacy to RCA if he has shown some consistency in his sales. To go from 800K in U.S. sales with the first CD to 140K with the second is a big drop. And his last 3 singles were flops. Typical case of a big splash after Idol, followed with sophomore disappearing act.

  • Mateja Praznik

     I figured that Trespassing didn’t sell enough to do a tour in the US. I do hope that he is staying with RCA for now, but I remember how David Cook’s fans thought for a while that Cook is also staying with RCA when he started working on some new music in early 2012. Then his Idol appearance came and the news that he and RCA parted ways.

  • Axxxel

    Yes. the singles were flops in the USA… and maybe that is all that matters for the label. I am not sure how much labels will benefit from good selling singles outside the USA.

  • wordnerdarchie

     

    going in a different direction

    David Cook also said he was going in a different direction in conjunction with a new song (From Here to Zero) he debuted before he appeared on idol in May and disclosed that he had parted ways with RCA.  Maybe the phrase “in a different direction” is code speak. ;)

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”Good thing Adam declined to answer that reporter’s question about his
    “Les Miz” tweets comments during that Vietnamese press conference…”

    He didn’t? huh, what a Diva!!!

  • newinNM

    There’s a live stream for the Hennesy event but it starts at 5:30 am my time, ha, not sure I can make it up for that.  Don’t think one event in Vietnam or Adam’s fan base would have anything to do with this. ((shrug))

  • wordnerdarchie

    As for Adam not touring in the US, the simple answer could be that there was more $$ and professional returns for doing concerts internationally.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Let me break it down for you:

    Taylor Swift and Harry Styles kissed at midnight on New Years Eve. That wasn’t after New Years.

    Who cares about Fantasia? Enough people to make “Fantasia and the gays” trend several times on the Yahoo front page.

    Kim K.’s baby news trended on Yahoo and twitter off and on since New Years Day. Yes, Kanye slammed the Grammy’s, but I guess more people were interested in him being the baby Daddy. That’s how it goes, you can’t control the press or what will end up being a big topic.

    Who cares about Kris Allen? IDK, but MJ has three stories about his New Years Day accident and exciting announcement. There are three threads where one can comment about Kris and his accident, baby announcement and upcoming tour.
    CNN Entertainment and Yahoo also had articles about the accident that occurred on New Years Day.

    Everyone knows Billie Joe was in Rehab. He had a public meltdown that was reported on everywhere. The announcement of the tour resuming came out on New Year’s Eve.

    Bieber’s accident happened early yesterday, and hit the press cycle around the same time that Crowe sent response to Adam’s tweets.

    There has been plenty of interesting entertainment news to report on in the 48 hours  since Adam shared his opinions on Les Mis. Some have caught fire, trended on twitter and yahoo, and have been picked up by the media around the world. Some of the stories have been ignored because people aren’t interested in reading them.
    Again, that’s how it goes, you can’t control the press or what will end up being a big topic.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ” I figured that Trespassing didn’t sell enough to do a tour in the US.”

    But enough to tour internationally?

    And Kris sold much much much lesser than Adam but he is touring in the US. So yeah, me confuse.

  • Axxxel

    LOL !!!

  • bridgette12

    LOL! It don’t sound logical to you either.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Touring internationally is different from touring the US.

    Kris is doing a tour in small venues. He and Adam are different kinds of artists. The kind of tour that Kris is doing might not suit Adam.

    Generally speaking, if music doesn’t sell or sells very little, you can’t expect the artist to tour much. Idol fans expect the alums to tour and tour a lot no matter how much they sell and no matter the genre of the alum. Yeah, touring is where the money usually is for the artist, but it’s just one aspect of a recording artist’s career.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    As Broken English as me, I thought there’s really something wrong with my ability to comprehend.lol

    Seriously though, he has 19 concerts lined up (20 if you add South Africa) in 14 different country with 6 concerts just in Japan. I believed touring has nothing to do with the label but with management. So, as I understand, if he wanted to tour US he could easily have one but I think the label and management have something else that he’s rather do than touring.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Thanks. Adam refers to putting out new music in the new year at the end of part 1 of the video of that interview, but not much more than that.
    http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/reality-rocks/adam-lambert-talks-vh1-divas-diva-habits-divas-091631211.html

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    someone pointed out to me that the label does not get any benefits from Adam’s current tour in Asia and Eastern Europe in the first trimester of 2013

    We don’t know this. We do know that Sony was involved with the New Year’s Eve concert and they have been involved with other international concerts for Adam in the past.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/islandgirl.jams Islandgirl Jams

    Does anyone else find it ironic that calling Adam irrelevant when LesMis gate has garnered more that 150MILLION google searches? and 800 comments on these two combined threads? HMMMM… I respect him so much for having the guts to speak his honest opinion. 

  • newinNM

    Thanks for finding it, Lyndsey/Adam interviews are the best! I wanted to listen again to see just what he said.

  • bridgette12

    I’m thinking the same thing. I’m waiting to hear what he has after March, because he’s pretty busy till then. With Adam you never know what’s going to happen. People can say a lot of things about him and they have in the last couple of days, but he’s never predictable or boring. 

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”Touring internationally is different from touring the US.”

    Of course but the expenses of touring outside are more higher than just touring in US soil. So if they could afford to do something like that, why they can’t do the same(with lesser expenses compared doing internationally) in the US? I’m just seriously confuse.

    ”Kris is doing a tour in small venues. He and Adam are different kinds of
    artists. The kind of tour that Kris is doing might not suit Adam.”

    Of course they aren’t the same kind of Artist and Kris might be singing in the venues of 500(not sure) but Adam could sell 1000 seats up. I don’t understand again why Kris can tour and Adam couldn’t just because he isn’t the same Artist as Kris.

  • justmefornow

    He’s a hint: check the recent renewals of the artist’s web pages at RCA. Check the duration (years) of the various artist’s renewals.
    (It’s kind of a clue to who they plan to keep on their roster.)

  • bridgette12

    I assumed it would take more money to tour outside the US, then staying in the States and getting on a tour bus and traveling to venues in the US and Canada. 

  • bridgette12

    I assumed it would take more money to tour outside the US, then staying in the States and getting on a tour bus and traveling to venues in the US and Canada. 

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Some says he doesn’t have a 360 deal with RCA. If that’s true, RCA doesn’t have cuts from his touring.

  • bridgette12

    Here’s a hint: if your that interested, why don’t you check it.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Look, I’m not an expert in touring, but I see low key singer-songwriters are touring in very small venues all the time. (from BB Boxscores)

    Adam is a pop artist. I thought his first solo tour was badly planned. A big number of concerts in relatively small venues. I don’t remember how many concerts he did in the USA then. 40, 60? Such a waste of time and Adam’s health.  In any case, I don’t think he can or wants to do 40 or 60 concerts in even smaller venues. He probably wouldn’t make any money with that arrangement.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Where can we check that?

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    I agree the last tour was badly planned and pieced together willy nilly.  And it was probably really hard on him physically. But I’m pretty sure he made a nice little profit from it.

    I think at this point he and his people are prepping for album #3 and are moving on from Trespassing.  And therefore there is no point in mounting a big US tour to support it.

    He’s probably going to start recording once he’s done with these overseas dates.

  • elliegrll

    He’s a hint: check the recent renewals of the artist’s web pages at RCA. Check the duration (years) of the various artist’s renewals.
    (It’s kind of a clue to who they plan to keep on their roster.)

    I wouldn’t say that, since the people who are in charge of renewing and keeping up the websites aren’t the same people who will be making the decisions about who will or won’t keep their contracts.  The web people at RCA were posting information about Kris and Lee on the label’s website even after they’d been dropped, but the information had not become public knowledge.

    That doesn’t mean that I think that Adam will be dropped or that he has been, but without a 360 deal, RCA isn’t going to invest as much in album number 3 as they did in the fist album.  And if Adam can’t get airplay it’s going to be very hard for the number crunchers at RCA to justify keeping him.

  • newinNM

    Era 3 for Adam is going to be very interesting to watch, if you let go of all the expectations fan have of him becoming the “BIGGEST POP STAR EVER!!!!!!” and just sit back and enjoy all the success he is having.  Diva’s, was great, his Asia/Europe tour looks to be selling well and he IS talking about new music.  He, his management (and/or RCA) have decided to work on music and not tour the states, there must be some reason behind that decision.  As others have stated both Kris and Lee are touring so lack of record sales isn’t the only determining factor.  Maybe it IS because he need to  look for a different label, he executive produced and wrote most of Trespassing, maybe RCA is staying in the picture but taking over creative control? Who knows, I really believe Adam will have a very long and successful career, could be music, TV, movies, Broadway, Vegas, overseas?  Being able to get this type of media attention because you tweeted about a movie is a good thing!  

  • bridgette12

    I’m looking forward to all the concerts coming up, especially in China, Belarus and Kiev. It’s going to be fun to see him perform before audiences in different parts of the world. 

  • Nadine_Bitch

    It was actually 77 shows in US and another 36 internationally. So a total of 116. And you’re right he didn’t have the luxury to be off the radar that long again that’s why I think his management and label have something else up for him to stay in public eyes. But it has nothing to do with low sales that’s why he’s not touring.

    ”I thought his first solo tour was badly planned. A big number of concerts in relatively small venues.”

    It was because it’s his first headlining tour. They were just realistic to have the medium size venue that would sell out immediately than to have big ones with half empty seats. They mostly booked with 2000 seats. His lowest number of seat was 1200 and his highest was 16k. Not bad for his first time, I think.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glam_Nation_Tour

  • mmb

    just curious — are you referring to the artist’s website?  or the artist’s page on RCA’s website

  • suenigma

    Not necessarily. If one mounts their own tour in the US, then they have to pay for venue rental and event promotion, transportation of equipment and people, not to mention the salaries of the musicians, dancers and touring staff, etc. If one is invited to a concert overseas, those things are often all covered, except perhaps the salaries, which Adam would have to cover. I know that Cook’s overseas one-ofs are said to have been far more lucrative than his more grueling US tour last year. IDK

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Adam doesn’t have a 360 deal.

    However, Sony does help sponsor some international concerts for some of their artists. They have done this with Adam and Archuleta in the past and they were responsible for setting up Adam’s recent New Year’s Eve gig.

  • Mateja Praznik

     77? My God. And another 36 internationally. No wonder he dropped dead after that tour.

    I know it was his first tour and that the state of touring wasn’t good, but doing 77 concerts in venues with ~2000 seats still doesn’t seem reasonable. It would make more sense to do around 40 concerts in North America and then move on to the next album.

  • bridgette12

    I can certainly see how Cook made more doing one offs overseas, then splitting the profits with another artist on tour in the US at small venues.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Of course they aren’t the same kind of Artist and Kris might be singing in the venues of 500(not sure) but Adam could sell 1000 seats up. I don’t understand again why Kris can tour and Adam couldn’t just because he isn’t the same Artist as Kris.

    Kris is performing in small venues (often times much less than 500) with a couple of other guys. The tickets are inexpensive and the three guys are traveling around in a van together doing these smaller venues.  Adam could sell out 500 seat venues at $15-$20 a ticket, every night for the next year, but what would be the point in doing that?
    Adam COULD tour in the US, he and his label and management team have just decided to do otherwise at this point.

    Adam did have around 15-20 concerts or co-headlining radio shows over the past summer and fall in various locations across the US. These concerts sold anywhere from 1,000-7,000 tickets, which many times were in the $40-$60 price range. Fans on the East and West coasts and in states such as Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and even Iowa have had opportunities to buy tickets to see Adam perform at these concerts. I imagine Adam will end up doing a few more one-offs in the states this upcoming spring and summer as the opportunities present themselves.

  • windmills

    Mateja Praznik: 77? My God. And another 36 internationally. No wonder he dropped dead after that tour.

    It’s surely work but that number is typical and even on the low side for country acts who are trying to build a loyal concert fanbase. I know the pop world works differently but I’m just trying to say without disrespecting the 113 tour dates Adam had that it’s not like that’s some crazy number of tour dates. 

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”Adam COULD tour in the US, he and his label and management team have just decided to do otherwise at this point.”

    That’s what I thought too. I think they have something else planned for him. And in my opinion, at the state of his career right now, he better off not to tour and focus on making new materials instead. Maybe that’s what his team decided too but I’m sure he’d do few one-offs in the middle of the year.

  • bridgette12

    It’s a crazy number when you headline your first tour . It’s a different cup of tea when your only the opener and singing a few songs.

  • bridgette12

    I don’t think he’s going to start another album till next fall. I think they have something planned they haven’t announced for late spring and summer.

  • Mateja Praznik

    113 tour dates sounds like a big world tour of some big pop artist like Lady Gaga during The Fame Monster era or someone legendary like Madonna or The Rolling Stones.  Not an international tour of newbie pop artist in small venues.

    I just think this tour took too much time and Adam’s energy.

  • YankeeFan08

    I don’t think 113 tour dates is all that unusual either.  I do remember Adam saying intially that GNT would be a “handful” of dates, but I think as venues sold out (and most of them did sell out), more dates were added to accommodate demand.  I think that’s why it seemed at times the tour was somewhat convoluted (in the US). 

    As far as Adam touring in small venues (smaller than GNT), I’m not sure it’s a good idea.  That kind of a tour can’t be all that profitable for the artist after expenses are paid, etc.  I think Adam’s time would be better spent working on his next album.

  • windmills

    Yeah but I was actually talking about headlining dates with full length sets, even if they’re in small venues. I was thinking about people like Dierks Bentley who pride themselves on being road warriors playing 200+ dates a year. But even Carrie in 2008 played over 130 arena headlining dates (I actually have it in my head that it was around 145 but the only online verifications I can find quickly add up to 130+ dates). Like I said, it’s pretty normal in the country world and, I’d guess it’s pretty normal in the rock world to play everywhere you can to build a live following.

  • wordnerdarchie

    113 is a pretty good number.  Less than David Cooks 154 plus several one offs in 2009 (even with his brother’s passing in the middle of the tour) but more than most other first year idols.  Adam had years of experience performing, he could handle that number pretty easily.

  • bridgette12

    Well over thirty of his was overseas, that’s a lot of traveling and changing time zone. David didn’t have that problem. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    New review of Les Mis from The New York Times. The reviewer agrees with Adam on the stand outs from the movie. Of course, the reviewer names names as to who he thought was lacking vocally (which Adam didn’t), so we can only guess that they were pointing out the same actors:

    http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/theater-talkback-les-miserables-stage-to-screen/

    Yet when it comes to the lead male roles, the stalwart hero,
    Valjean, and the dogged villain, Javert, I found myself often yearning for
    earplugs. Although he fronts a rock band in his spare time, Mr. Crowe huskily
    declaims his way through his songs, never making anything resembling an
    appealing sound…

    That wasn’t particularly surprising; the unhappy revelation
    of the movie was the inadequacy of Mr. Jackman’s singing. He, after all, has
    established himself as a most unusual combo platter: an action-movie hero who
    is also an established musical theater star. But hearing him sing Valjean made
    me wonder if his radiant stage charisma had not helped Broadway audiences (and we critics too) overlook the modest nature of his vocal resources. His singing in “Les Misérables” was sorely lacking in suppleness, sonority and range. For all the talk of live singing, Mr. Jackman’s sounded to me as if he’d actually been AutoTuned by someone who fell asleep at the machine, resulting in a thin, nasal and unpleasantly metallic sound that quickly grew grating.

  • Mateja Praznik

    154 concerts for a new artist sounds even more crazy. And with only one album worth of material.

    Considering neither Cook or Adam had a big number of big hit singles from those albums (like Carrie or Daughtry), I just don’t think long tours were good idea. It’s one think if radio keeps on playing your singles to death and your music still sells well while you are on the road. It’s completely different when your last single dies in the middle of a long tour with no end in sight and no new material to release.

  • bridgette12

    The reviewer couldn’t have gone into this thinking that Crowe was going to vocally shine. His criticism  match up with what other movie critics  have already said about Russell, a train wreck. But when it comes to Hugh, it seems to be a mixed bag, some have liked and some not so much. I guess he’s like everyone else, it’s his opinion.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Interesting review. My problem with it is that Isherwood doesn’t like the music or the storyline in Les Miserables, even the live stage version, so he’s starting from a place of dislike before he even wrote one word of his review. It’s hard to be objective in that case, even if I do agree with some of what he wrote.

    ETA: I had seen Hugh in “The Boy from Oz”, so I was aware of his vocal limitations (despite a substantial amount of onstage charisma), and heard a bit of Russell singing in his band. In both cases, I had modest expectations for their singing in the movie, even before any reviews or Adam’s comments.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P46N6P5XPK22JVXDJJEENXGLVE marie

    Hmmmm I’m thinking that Nigel is going to hope that Adam slams the new idol judges when AI starts. Maybe they will pay him to do it, lol.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The LA Times film critic wrote a very positive review:

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-les-miserables-20121225,0,7403253.story

    Excerpt:

    Except Crowe’s Javert doesn’t say it, he sings it right there in front of us. Perhaps the key change Hooper made in the way movie musicals are usually put together is his insistence that the singing the audience hears is the actors performing live on the set at the time of filming, not weeks earlier in a recording studio. That allows them to bring the rich emotion of their entire performances to celebrated songs such as “Who Am I” and “One Day More.”
    Hooper believes, as he told an early Los Angeles screening audience, that “singing gives access to a deeper emotional range,” but that doesn’t mean that this was in any way easy. The director revealed that the actors wore two radio microphones outside their costumes, so that no matter which way their heads turned, the sound would be accurately recorded. All that remained was to “digitally paint them out” frame by frame by frame.
    All that painstaking work was definitely worthwhile, making the singing as intense and personal as possible, something that pays off as “Les Misérables’” way melodramatic plot gets increasingly wild and crazy.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK
  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Yep, opinions and reviews are definitely a mixed bag. This paragraph, where the NY Times Theatre critic quotes an actor currently on Broadway is right on target:

    The most gabbed-about aspect of the movie has
    undoubtedly been the decision by Mr. Hooper to record the vocals live, an
    unusual and, to hear the actors and director tell it, highly
    daunting strategy that has rarely been used before in major filmmaking. To
    which I can only say: big deal. (Michael Cerveris, now on Broadway in “Evita,”
    wittily tweeted as much: “Inspired by Hollywood,” he wrote, “actors all over
    town ARE SINGING LIVE today. And tonight. 8 times a week. Every week. No second
    take.”
    The implication: They don’t expect to be congratulated for it by a
    fawning press.)

    LOL and BRAVO!!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    ““Inspired by Hollywood,” he wrote, “actors all over town ARE SINGING LIVE today. And tonight. 8 times a week. Every week. No second take.” The implication: They don’t expect to be congratulated for it by a fawning press”

    Actually, I don’t think that this is the point of having the actors sing live, since probably (and I would have to watch the film again to see possible points where the film was edited), there were different sections of the songs that were spliced together. I think that having the actors sing live was to enable them to match their acting to their singing, which they would not have been able to do with pre-recording. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the live recording was “fixed” before the movie was released.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I agree that the reason the actors were singing live was for the overall objective that you stated.

    The quote from Cerveris is the same sentiment I’ve heard from many Broadway professionals. It’s also something that many moviegoers and people who don’t attend Broadway level shows might not realize: that actors on stages sing live 8 times a week, every week, without a second or third or….take.

    The “singing live” line is usually met with a “so what” and “big deal” due to the fact that musical theatre actors have been doing this since they were young. It’s just one of those little things that theatre people like to point out and have a good natured laugh about. It doesn’t mean they still didn’t enjoy the movie, at varying degrees. :)

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    windmills: Just saying I don’t think Adam’s 113 (a number I’m taking on faith from
    what’s posted here) was too much to ask. Strategically things obviously
    work differently in the pop world so I can’t say whether it was the
    right or wrong thing for him.

    The correct number of concerts for the GNT is 111+2 home town concerts in LA. The GNT was 77 US/Canada concerts and 34 International concerts in 19 countries from  June 4, 2010 to November 29, 2010. The 2 extra shows were in LA in mid-December and were not part of the Glam Nation Tour.

    Adam said that he planned to work on his next album/new music rather than do a tour. But that does not mean he is not performing. Anyway, I think Adam is the one who should decide if he tours or works on new music.

    Based on what Adam said, he plans to start working on his
    next album rather than do an extensive tour like the Glam Nation Tour. I still expect that he will do some concerts this summer in North
    America. The GNT was announced April 28, 2010 and started on June 4, 2010. So
    based on past history, I still think anything is possible for this summer. If
    he decides to tour in the US, he does not need to do any major advanced promo
    to sell tickets so there is no issue if he announces it in April or May.

     

    Adam may not be “touring” but he is performing a
    lot. He has costumes, dancers, back-up singers and a band. Most artists would
    call what he is getting ready to do an International Tour. Feb 17-Mar 22,2013
    he has 17 concerts in Korea, Japan, Philippines, Indonesia, China, Singapore,
    Hong Kong, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and ending in Finland.

     

    He wasn’t “touring” in 2012 but he did a lot of
    concerts: 11 US concerts plus concerts in South Africa, Japan, China, Hong
    Kong, Australia (two trips) and the UK. He did dozens of radio promo concerts
    and radio showcase events in the US, Canada and several other countries.

     

    He has his first concert in Vietnam tomorrow. (It will have a
    free web livecast plus local TV broadcast like the Shanghai, China Hennessey
    event).

     

    Plus, he performed 6 shows with Queen – Russia, Poland,
    Ukraine (audience of 250,000 + TV broadcast + Elton John) and the 3 London
    shows, and did some benefit concerts including a performance at the Royal
    Albert Hall. London, UK.

  • supersonic

    The kiss happened at midnight which means it clocked into the new year.  Video and stuff of that did not come out until January 1st of the new year.

    This stuff that people are claiming have trended on Yahoo — I haven’t seen it.  I didn’t see anything about Fantasia trending on Yahoo.  I didn’t even see anything on twitter.

    Kanye having a spawn is bigger news than him slamming the Grammys.  I haven’t heard anything about him slamming the Grammys.  And I visit Grammy websites.

    And I still say who cares about Kris Allen?  MJ has to report on Kris.  Other places don’t.  I have not seen the news about Kris in other places.  Once again, I have not seen it on Yahoo.

    Yes, Billie Joe had a public meltdown and yes, everyone knew he was in rehab.  I forgot about that.  You said the news about the tour came out on New Year’s Eve?  Right.  After Adam’s criticism. 

    Once again, most of this stuff happened after Adam’s criticism hit the news.  Other news came out, but are they dissing on a major Oscar contender?  No.

  • bridgette12

    He’s a grown up, I doubt the man is traumatized by it all. As far as I am concerned, Crowe sucks as a singer and should be banned from ever singing live again.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    Just to clarify, most of the Glam Nation US venues were in the 2,000 – 4,000 range. About 48 venues were in the over 2K+ capacity range, around 25 were under 2K. A few of those 48 were actually quite a bit larger, like Costa Mesa which was 2 nights of 8K+ each night and there were several that were around 5K. There were a few fairs & festivals that were really huge. The majority of the shows were sold out or close to sold out.
    IMO, touring has nothing to do with successful radio singles or album sales. It has to do with people wanting to see a good live performer. So far, in 2012 Adam has had no trouble filling up venues, even with the current sales of the album. IDK, if he will tour or not, but if he doesn’t, album sales will have nothing to do with the decision. He is either 1) Moving on to the next era and new music or 2) Has something else in the works or 3) Might be doing a mini tour with Queen (hoping.) If he has no official US tour, I still expect one offs.

  • HKfan

    A lot of energy, yes, but all those dates were within 6 months, so not too much time.

    I don’t understand why when the tickets sell out fast for one of Adams shows, they don’t move to a bigger venue, rather than adding an extra night at the same venue, to save his voice. That saying his voice got stronger as the tour went on, and he never cancelled one performance.. 

  • HKfan

    And yet, Adams shows were almost all sold out, even without the singles to back him up.

  • Karen C

    154 concerts for a new artist sounds even more crazy. And with only one album worth of material.
    Considering neither Cook or Adam had a big number of big hit singles from those albums (like Carrie or Daughtry), I just don’t think long tours were good idea. It’s one think if radio keeps on playing your singles to death and your music still sells well while you are on the road. It’s completely different when your last single dies in the middle of a long tour with no end in sight and no new material to release.

    Most new artists do tour like that when they are starting out, it is how they build an audience.   And especially if they were both selling out medium sized venues at the time. I saw both during their first tours at sold out shows at 4000 seat venues, which is a pretty good size. 

    I think the mistake that RCA made with both of them was to release more singles from the first albums, that way it wouldn’t have been as long between singles.  Though the singles that were out while they were on the road still did well on the charts.

  • ANNIEBA

    Damn, Adam was busy in 2012! I have a feeling 2013 is going to be very busy also. Adam is in demand as a live performer. I think the most surprising concert was the one in Phoenix which drew 6-7000 in an area where he rarely got AirPlay even in the FYE era. I am going to lay it on the line, lol, and predict Adam will be doing something on TV this year too. 2012 was a big mixture of frustration and excitement but I think it will all come together in 2013. Thats my prediction and I am sticking to it, lol.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    This stuff that people are claiming have trended on Yahoo — I haven’t seen it. I didn’t see anything about Fantasia trending on Yahoo.

    Can’t help that you didn’t see it. It was all there, including Fantasia’s comment.

     

    I have not seen the news about Kris in other places. Once again, I have not seen it on Yahoo.

    It was on Yahoo and on CNN Ent. Sorry that you didn’t see it.

    Once again, most of this stuff happened after Adam’s criticism hit the news

    Once again, the Fantasia and Kim K. news came out at the same time. The Taylor Swift kiss was a few hours later. The Green Day news was on NYE. The Kris news was New Year’s Day. The Bieber Pap news was the same day as the Crowe response. There was plenty to comment on in Entertainment news, other than Adam’s comments about Les Mis, both on this blog and on other sites around the world.

  • elliegrll

    And Kris sold much much much lesser than Adam but he is touring in the US. So yeah, me confuse.

    I think the biggest difference is that Adam’s management as well as RCA have always been very careful about perception and image.  They are going to be very careful about what types of venues they book.  The image that they’ve been cultivating is of someone who can sell a lot more than 140,000 albums, and perform to more than  a few thousand paying customers.  They are not going to do anything that can mess up that image.

  • girlygirltoo

    113 shows seems like a lot just looking at the number, but David Cook did more shows his first year off Idol and I’m pretty sure Kris did over 100 shows between opening for other people, radio shows and his headlining gigs as well during his first tour. And I know of several acts who do pretty much nothing but tour that will rack up well over 200 shows in a calendar year. That’s where a lot of musicians make their money — through touring & merch sales. So 113 really isn’t atypical from what I can tell, although of course not everyone tours overseas like Adam has done.

    It exhausts me just thinking about it. :)

  • ANNIEBA

    Lol, so all the concerts like the 20k plus in SA, sold out shows in Japan, Finland, and China are just a mirage RCA has created? Wow, they are good! And frankly, we don’t know how many albums Adam has sold worldwide, maybe even more than in the US. He certainly seems to be doing much better internationally than here so it could be there is no need to “cultivate an image”.

  • http://MJO judes

    Back to the heading that MJ posted – I so love Russels reply-very Aussie – Hugh would do the same. I’ve seen both Les Mis stage play & the Movie & you can’t compare the 2. The stage has to have voices projecting so every row can hear whereas in the film its very close , raw & emotional -a very different effect. I loved the realsm in the movie & I defy any musical theatre actor to sing “perfectly”when giving such emotion to the role- that’s what makes the movie so mesmerising .
    Actually Aaron -the one who played Enjorlas[the surprise of the film for me] came from the theatre & said it was on a par filming this & being on stage – the only more gruelling thing is doing a matinee & night show in one day. he also said he loved doing this live for a film[ usually they would record 2 months before & mime the words]
    For me I loved the movie for what it was – I also love the stage production but I don’t feel the need to compare. To have perfect voices singing in the film without the emotion shown is not for me -so I guess I disagree with Adam.

  • elliegrll

    Lol, so all the concerts like the 20k plus in SA, sold out shows in Japan, Finland, and China are just a mirage RCA has created?

    I’m pretty sure that I didn’t say that.  My comment wasn’t about what Adam is doing overseas, it was in response to a post about why he’s not currently working on a US tour. 

    There’s always a need to cultivate an image.  Marketing and promotion are all about branding.  It’s why most of the money that is allocated for any album launch is spent on promotion.  

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    Judes, I love the Aussies! They are the best. (Huge Michael Johns fan here!) ;) As for the movie, is it only  American audiences who expect pristine vocal performances on the big screen? I don’t know. What I know is that Russell disappointed me not only with his singing but with his acting. Hugh, on the other hand, was just fine as I, personally,  don’t expect pristine vocals. But, I do expect to be moved by a performance. Russell and Helena and Sacha left me wanting. 

  • http://MJO judes

    Hi Zsus. I like hearing great voices normally- but for the movie I wanted something different & it delivered in spades. I was not expecting much from Russ -but he was better than I expected -although nowhere near the standard of another Aussie Phillip Quast who played Javert in the 10th Anniversay concert
    [ then again they were just standing there-so easier to perform] The character Russell was playing was meant to be stiff & distant-but i do think he suffered a little because they were singing live-which was not as natural for him[so he had to concentrate on his singing more ]
    I went with 7 members of my family & we all loved Sasha’s portrayal of the master [he put his own stamp on it]- but that again is down to taste i suppose.
    I guess the movie has done what Cameran Mcintosh hoped- sparked new interest in Les Mis -so they can do another round of stage productions soon. It has not been in Australia for a number of years -none of my children have seen it here in Australia & they are in their 20′s.

  • lexa

    Big Adam fan but I get what you are saying. Maybe they RCA/mgmt think- let’s build him where he has, from what it looks like, a pretty large following in Asia and parts of Europe, get press and buzz get back into the studio and record something and try to break a new single to radio. Then go from there. Not wait two or so years – people have short memories.

    As a fan it is super frustrating but it is what it is……

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    I think the biggest difference is that Adam’s management as well as RCA
    have always been very careful about perception and image. They are
    going to be very careful about what types of venues they book. The
    image that they’ve been cultivating is of someone who can sell a lot
    more than 140,000 albums, and perform to more than  a few thousand
    paying customers.  They are not going to do anything that can mess up
    that image.

    I’m sorry, but I seriously don’t know what you’re trying to say.  Adam can, and has, sold well, or sold out, in mid-sized venues on his own this era.  He could probably continue to do so in a carefully planned US tour (maybe not a GNT-esque tour, but a tour), if he so chose.  He isn’t being touted as an arena artist in the US – although several of his international venues more than qualify – but by the same token, it isn’t as if his management needs to save him from the ~embarrassment of a small club tour.  He has proven he can get butts in concert seats, even this era.  I would be surprised if he didn’t do some one-off concerts in the US during the spring and summer, and I’d be even more surprised if they weren’t in decent-sized venues.

  • Karen C

    My point was that RCA and Adam’s management are going to be careful about putting Adam into a position where the lack of success for his second album takes away from the image of him that they have been promoting.

    RIght, like if they did do a tour and it didn’t sell as well, that would change his image.  Also I’ve read something where certain artists get more money for shows, and Adam got more than some others, even from Idol. 

     

  • fuzzywuzzy

    This tweet from Roger Ebert is hilarious!

    “Roger Ebert ?@ebertchicago
    Gee. I guess Denby didn’t like “Les Mis.” http://dld.bz/bXc6f ”
    Denby’s review actually made me lol! It was ridiculously pompous and OTT scathing.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Adam said that he planned to work on his next album/new music rather than do a tour.”

    I saw on the video of Adam’s interview with Lyndsey Parker that he referred to producing “new music” rather than tour in the U.S., but I did not see/read any reference to a “next album”. Where did Adam refer to his “next album”?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “IDK, if he will tour or not, but if he doesn’t, album sales will have nothing to do with the decision.”

    Sorry, but I can’t believe that Adam not touring in support of “Trespassing” doesn’t have to do with it’s poor domestic sales. Can anyone honestly believe that if Trespassing had sold better (at least gold) that Adam wouldn’t be mounting a tour in support of that album?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Most new artists do tour like that when they are starting out, it is how they build an audience.”

    An extreme example of that is Ed Sheeran, who more that paid his dues before getting his break. From wiki:

    Sheeran began recording in 2005, which led to the release of his first EP, The Orange Room EP. Sheeran also released 2 albums, a self-titled one in 2006 and Want Some? in 2007. He moved to London in 2008 to play gigs, starting off in very small venues, playing every day, to as little as five people. In 2008, he auditioned for the ITV series Britannia High.[8]
    In 2009, Sheeran played 312 gigs. He said that he read an interview with James Morrison that said that Morrison had done 200 gigs in a year, and Sheeran wanted to beat him on this number.[9]Also in 2009, he released another EP, You Need Me, just before going on tour with Just Jack. He also did a few collaborations with Leddra Chapman, including Cee Lo Green’s Fuck You. In February 2010 Sheeran posted a video through SB.TV, which led to mainstream rapper Exampleasking Sheeran to tour with him. Also in February 2010 he released his critically acclaimed Loose Change EP, which featured his later debut single “The A Team”.
    In April 2010, after leaving his old management company, Sheeran bought a ticket to Los Angeles, with no contacts other than one poetry night. He played open mic nights all over the city, before his talent was spotted at The Foxxhole by Jamie Foxx, who was so impressed that he offered Sheeran the use of his recording studio and the run of his Hollywood home for the rest of his stay. Throughout 2010, Sheeran began to be seen by more people over the internet through YouTubeand his fan-base grew, with him also getting credit from The Independent newspaper, England football captain Rio Ferdinand and Elton John.[10] Sheeran also self-released two other EPs in 2010; Ed Sheeran: Live at the Bedford and Songs I Wrote With Amy, which is a collection of love songs he wrote in Wales with fellow singer songwriter Amy Wadge.
    On 8 January 2011, Sheeran released his final independent EP, No. 5 Collaborations Project featuring appearances by grime artists including Wiley,JME, Devlin, Sway and Ghetts.[11] With this EP, Sheeran gained mainstream attention for reaching number 2 in the iTunes chart without any promotion or label, selling over 7,000 copies in its first week.[12] Three months later, Sheeran put on a free show to fans at the Barfly in Camden. Over 1,000 fans turned up to see the show, so Sheeran ended up playing four different shows to make sure everyone saw a gig, including a gig outside on the street after the venue had closed. Later that month, Sheeran was signed to Asylum /Atlantic Records.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Sheeran

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “although nowhere near the standard of another Aussie Phillip Quast who played Javert in the 10th Anniversay concert”

    Totally agree. For me, Quast is the best Javert that I’ve seen and heard.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “For me I loved the movie for what it was – I also love the stage production but I don’t feel the need to compare.”

    I agree.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    Sorry, but I can’t believe that Adam not touring in support of
    “Trespassing” doesn’t have to do with it’s poor domestic sales. Can
    anyone honestly believe that if Trespassing had sold better (at least
    gold) that Adam wouldn’t be mounting a tour in support of that album?

    I have to agree.  I do believe Adam is in-demand enough as a live act to do a tour of reasonably sized venues if he chose to do so, but since he doesn’t have the luxury of having music out there continuing to represent for him, he needs to do something else.  My hope is that the reference to new music means that he’s still with RCA and they are demanding that he get back into the studio.  If he hasn’t been dropped – and no matter what anyone says, there is currently no evidence to suggest that he has been – it would make sense that RCA would expect another album sooner rather than later, unless he has some high profile opportunity in the cards that would build enough buzz for him to make it worth their while to wait.

  • Axxxel

    312 gigs ? Great ! but where ? and also internationally ??

  • Axxxel

    sometimes it depends what time of the day one logs in  yahoo. Even though I am not in the US, I saw Adam Lambert trending in the evening my time… which means early morning till midday for some countries… so people may have missed it…

  • mmb

    I don’t think album sales have anything to do with the decision not to do a “formal” us tour. I think the bigger reason for not mounting a US tour this spring/summer is the lack of era 2 hit singles.  During GNT he had a current single charting that he did a lot of promo for, radio station visits, ticket giveaways etc. Given that they are no longer promoting/supporting any singles in the US it just doesn’t maks sense to mount a full blown tour instead of going back to work on new material.  He is touring internationally in those countries where his Trespassing era singles did/are doing well. I agree with whoever said that his management and RCA are protective of his image.  And his management seems to have a clear plan for his career that includes not just recording and live performing, but hosting, television appearances etc. (there was an interesting article in Billboard recently re: how Katy Perry’s management has helped mold her career.  Adam has the same management and you can see them taking some of the same steps with him).  Could he go do a tour of similar size and scope to that of Kris and Lee?  Of course. But that is not right for him – they have very different careers.  Could he mount a smaller US tour (that is, smaller than GNT) of 2000-5000 seat venues in select locations (15-20 concerts or something like that?).  Sure he could.  But clearly he and his managment (and maybe his label) have determined that is not how they want to spend their time and money right now and/or such a tour would not make financial sense. I still fully expect him to do a bunch of one off shows in the US in 2013. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I revised my previous post to include the fact that Adam has not had any hit singles from this era, but I still believe that had Trespassing sold very well (at least as well as his freshman CD), he would have mounted a tour, even without hit singles. In this case, the fact that the CD sold poorly, plus the lack of any hit singles pretty much removed a domestic tour from any plans. I agree that it’s a better option to produce new music ASAP, and hope that it is more commercially successful.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Yeah, that’s how Ed Sheeran started his career. Again, that worked for Ed Sheeran, singer-songwriter who built his career by performing and collaborating. Adam is a pop artist from a TV talent show. He didn’t need to do countless shows for people to notice him or just to get a recording contract. Completely different situation.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I agree. I posted that info about Ed Sheeran in response to a post that stated this:

    “Most new artists do tour like that when they are starting out, it is how they build an audience.”

    So, Ed Sheeran’s story was relevant to that statement.

  • Karen C

    Right, that is common for new artists. And Adam had been doing musical theater for years including being in touring companies. I think this is why he way able to handle headlining a tour because he was also doing his own shows in addition to plays. And David Cook also had a lot of touring experience.

  • Karen C

    That leads to the idea in the industry that those from idol do not have experience. It has been said by several artists that both Adam and David Cook have the experience that new artists would normally have and they are respected because of it.

  • bridgette12

    But that image, whether someone here in the US think is false, it don’t matter to people in China, South Africa, Russia, Vietnam or various other country. That image and that voice, is getting him work, which is a whole lot better than sitting at the house like some Idols where no one gives a damn.  

  • bridgette12

    It’s not relevant to Idols coming off of the show. Their label and management limit the number of shows they have. I could have named hundreds of artist that has done more shows than what Adam or any of the other Idols have done. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    Adam’s album came out less than a year ago.  It seems like he should
    have time to tour the US in the spring and release an album toward the
    end of the year.

    He needs to gain some new fans.  Since radio
    didn’t play his songs, I would think a co-headlining tour or opening for
    someone like  a Katy Perry would be good options.  That would give him
    good exposure to potential new fans.

    Maybe they are trying to
    protect his image somehow, but most people are completely unaware of
    touring schedules and venue sizes so I don’t see how not touring is a
    better option.  That certainly won’t gain new fans.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I KNOW THAT. I POSTED THAT RESPONSE TO A STATEMENT AND IT WAS RELEVANT FOR THAT STATEMENT. IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE, NOT MEANT TO INCLUDE EVERY NEW ARTIST WHO HAD TOURED A LOT.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Yes, I know that. The top 10 can change many time throughout again given day.
    I never said those topics trended all day, just that they trended at some point.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    there was an interesting article in Billboard recently re: how Katy
    Perry’s management has helped mold her career.  Adam has the same
    management and you can see them taking some of the same steps with him.

    Yes, I find it interesting that when Katy Perry signed with DMG she was under another label who didn’t see her vision. After much discussion between her label and management they parted ways and DMG sought out a new label for her and the rest is history. Adam has a 5 team management who all have a part in carefully branding him. I feel good that DMG has a plan. I don’t think Adam not touring in US has anything to do with album sales. He can easily put together a tour playing 1k-5k venues but why waste his time. The money he makes internationally is far more lucrative than in US and he should continue to break those markets. I much rather him start album 3 than wasting 3-4 months touring the US.

    How Direct Management Group Helped Katy Perry Reach Her Goals
    Read more at http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/how-direct-management-group-helped-katy-1008032962.story#RR7udwrx9T9JWRgZ.99

    BTW. I’m one of those who preferred Adam and RCA  to “part ways”. I have no doubt DMG can and will get another major label for him. RCA sucks in getting radio play. Unless they’re willing to cough up the $$$ for hit singles they are useless.

  • cam_lo

    This actually kind of makes me love Russell Crowe. He had a huge opportunity to be an asshole here, and it probably would’ve been warranted, but I thought his response was pretty diplomatic and classy.