Is Pia Toscano about to begin work on her debut alum? EOnline says it could happen as early as next week.

Sources tell E! News that former American Idol contestant Pia Toscano will start recording her debut album as early as next week. “She’s set to start on Monday and we’ll see what works for her,” an insider tells us.

And when will be hearing her new music?

We’re hearing that Pia’s first duty will be to start recording possible singles to release after the Idol season ends.

Four more weeks of Idol to go…does it even matter who wins this thing?

 
  • songsungblue

    I wonder how good this is going to be, considering the rush.

  • Buffynut

    Four more weeks of Idol to go…does it even matter who wins this thing?

    Ya, I don’t think so! So, I am thinking that they will have to rework the countdown format of the tour so Pia will have more than 2 songs!

  • OvenMitt

    Four more weeks of Idol to go…does it even matter who wins this thing?

    Not to me. The only contestant I’m semi-pulling for is Haley, and I know she’s got about a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, sadly. Basically, the great promise this season showed early on has devolved into nothing more than a relaunch pad for JLo and Steven Tyler’s careers. If the ninth-place finisher is the one getting the most album buzz, then what’s the point?

    I personally wish Pia well. Now that Idol has become one big Miss Congeniality contest, whatever career these talented contestants can glean from the exposure they receive is a huge accomplishment.

  • Elliegrll

    Ive always thought it made more sense to release new music during the summer, instead of waiting until September, October or November, but how good can the song be, since they only have a few weeks to pick a song and produce it. I hope they do a better job than they’ve done on the itunes recordings.

    I also wonder how many of the contestants will get this treatment, since Paul indicated that he’s also working on some music with 19. All of the remaining contestants could do very well if they are signed, but I don’t think it’s realistic to believe that UMG or Interscope truly plan on making a serious commitment to more than three or four of these people.

  • gangreen29

    Four more weeks of Idol to go…does it even matter who wins this thing?

    Yes? I don’t think any of them are guaranteed a contract unless they win, so it seems important to me still.

    Good for Pia. I hope she sells well and shows up all those who bitch about her.

  • Kirkee

    Four more weeks of Idol to go…does it even matter who wins this thing?

    Hilariously, no.

  • girlygirl

    I don’t think they will change the format of the tour. (A) she still finished 9th; (B) she might not even have a hit single and (C) other S10 Idols might have singles out by then as well

    I’m not a fan but I’m glad she’s finally getting in the studio. Maybe now whatever buzz she gets will be about her music, not gossipy stuff

  • bjames

    As far as I’m concerned, Pia already won. Always was far and above the rest of the group, always will be.

    (Still rooting for Haley though…)

  • weese

    I don’t think it matters anymore who wins either. The show is no longer fair when anyone can get the prize before the competition is even over.
    I’m not debating whether it is right or wrong but the rules have changed and the audience should be clued in as to what this show is really all about at this point.
    Personally, I don’t feel good about this. I am not happy for Pia. I am sad for whoever does win. They should have waited to announce this till the legitimate winner was crowned.

  • gangreen29

    If the ninth-place finisher is the one getting the most album buzz, then what’s the point?

    Whose to say her album will have the most buzz? The others are still on the show and so we don’t know even if they will get albums yet, so it makes no sense at this point to say her album will get the most buzz.

  • sr4mjc

    Interscope isn’t playing around!

    Does it matter who wins? I guess it will to the winner. But I can see the bus coming for Haley even harder now, they won’t want another girl to promote, at least with Lauren they would go country. This will be interesting to watch play out post-finale. More interesting than the show itself right now. But I’ve always loved the business side of the post-show following.

  • tinawina

    Yes? I don’t think any of them are guaranteed a contract unless they win, so it seems important to me still.

    Agreed.

    Let’s see how it all plays out before we declare winning doesn’t matter.

  • Trina

    I said weeks ago I expected 4 or 5 get EP or full album deals and I’m still kinda expecting that. The ones they’re super invested in will get the bigger deals. You can tell listening Iovine talk who, well at least he, seems to have some interest in. I do hope whoever wins gets treated well. If Scotty wins he won’t even be competing in the same market as Pia.

  • weese

    I think winning will only matter if you are Haley or Jacob. Everyone else (Scotty,Lauren,James)will get a contract anyway. Hell, they are probably recording their albums as we speak!

  • jpfan

    I’ve never heard of an Idol castoff getting music out months before the winner.

    That’s assuming the winner doesn’t get their music out just as quickly but that seems kind of impossible since they still have the demands of the live show. Could it be possible that the Interscope albums/singles will be crappier than the ones Sony put out. Yikes.

  • songsungblue

    I also wonder how many of the contestants will get this treatment, since Paul indicated that he’s also working on some music with 19

    .

    Now that I think about it, he’s the only one who was booted [besides Pia] who has indicated that he might be under contract. My guess is that early on Jimmy Iovine decided who was interesting – this might be why he seems to have virtually no interest in say, Haley. I think they might be secretly signed. If I had to guess, I’d say it was Paul [and Grand Magnolias], Pia, Scotty, and Lauren.

  • jrain

    Pia will not release any material prior to the winner. That’s already been established by 19M. The competition is not irrelevant because all the rest of the castoffs are not guaranteed a recording contract. We don’t know know yet how much buzz or success she will have but it’s unlikely to be on the level of the winner and maybe second place.

    Imo, this is great news because she has more time to work on an album that the winner, so it could feel less rushed when it does come out.

  • Elliegrll

    I don’t think it matters anymore who wins either. The show is no longer fair when anyone can get the prize before the competition is even over.
    I’m not debating whether it is right or wrong but the rules have changed and the audience should be clued in as to what this show is really all about at this point.

    The second place finisher has always been signed, but every year the last 10 minutes or so of the final episode have been some of the highest rated minutes of the tv season. I think this goes back to the fact that AI is a tv show, and the majority of people know that. Maybe every viewer doesn’t know that the second place finisher has always gotten a contract, but even those who do know don’t seem to care. Fanwars have broken out every single year, even though the runner up, just like the winner, has gotten the opportunity to make a record.

    The point that I’m trying to make is that ratings didn’t decline last year, because four people from season 8 were signed, or because out of the top 12 contestants from season 5, only 3 didn’t eventually get a record deal or record an album.

    I think people have an issue about these deals being announced before the season ends, but most people are probably happy that these kids get a chance to achieve their dreams.

  • girlygirl

    Even the ones who aren’t signed by a major label will likely end up releasing music at some point, since that has been the case with the majority of the finalists in past years. Since no one has released any music yet, however, it’s way too soon to declare Pia the “winner” or wonder if it matters who wins Idol. It’s entirely possible the winner will have a hit single and Pia won’t. Likewise, it’s entirely possible that several of them, including Pia, will end up with hit singles — or that none of them will.

    I just hope they don’t flood the market all at once with this music, because that won’t be to the benefit of any of these kids. Space it out a little bit, please.

  • Buffynut

    but how good can the song be, since they only have a few weeks to pick a song and produce it.

    Considering some of the drek that is on the radio, I think it can be as good as any of that! I mean does Bruno Mar’s new song (listen to the lyrics) really sound much different than “Friday?!”

  • jpfan

    We don’t know know yet how much buzz or success she will have but it’s unlikely to be on the level of the winner and maybe second place

    .

    That’s the only part I disagree with. Winning Idol doesn’t really generate tremendous buzz or success anymore. It’s really a case by case thing now and it doesn’t seem to matter where you finish.

  • weese

    I think people have an issue about these deals being announced before the season ends, but most people are probably happy that these kids get a chance to achieve their dreams.

    This is right. The more kids who are signed at the end of the season the better. At the end of the season. The winner deserves the confetti and glory. I think that is diminished when it is advantageous for a contestant to be voted of at 11 so they get a head start on their album. If they are going to do this and still call it a competition than the winner must get more—like cash– in addition to the recording contract.

  • jrain

    That’s the only part I disagree with. Winning Idol doesn’t really generate tremendous buzz or success anymore. It’s really a case by case thing now and it doesn’t seem to matter where you finish.

    The top finishers always have some money for promo. Not saying Lee and Crystal was great but there has been a sharp dropoff to the rest of the contestants. Where is Casey? What happened to to all the finisher below Casey?

    So far Pia has generated a lot of buzz, but it will all die down by the time she releases material if indeed she has to wait until after the winner releases a single. If that’s the case she will have to wait about 6 months.

  • jpfan

    No one from S9 was ever going to do much. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pia got tons more promo than the winner. Similiar to how Adam overshadowed Kris. Where is it confirmed that Pia has to wait until the winner releases a single?

    I’d bet anything her single will be released way before the winner’s.

  • Elliegrll

    I think that is diminished when it is advantageous for a contestant to be voted of at 11 so they get a head start on their album.

    I think it has always been the case that 19 and the labels have started working with the ones who they are truly invested in well before the season ends. At the very least, they start talks before the end of the season, so that they address any issues.

    I’d bet anything her single will be released way before the winner’s.

    The winner will release a single at the end of the season. And given that it will be through Interscope, it will probably be more radio friendly and less schlocky than previous coronation songs.

  • Chicagolaw

    Winning only matters for the sake of the TV show. In terms of what happens after, it doesn’t matter a bit (unless the winner is Haley or Jacob, which isn’t going to happen).

    Last year proved that even the winner is not guaranteed buzz or media interest.

    If Pia and Paul are already starting new music, I think you can assume that at least two of the remaining contestants are doing so as well. I wonder if they will all be singing their new singles on tour?

  • Mel1

    If the winner is the most talented and has the biggest fanbase, then he/she should be the most successful. They do get the winner’s package/promotion, and if they are charismatic enough, they should also get the media support. If a non-winner becomes more successful than the winner, than it’s apparent that person broke out of the idol bubble.

    Frankly, I can’t see the winner performing better than Pia did on DWTS. She was incredible. Really incredible.

  • weese

    I think it has always been the case that 19 and the labels have started working with the ones who they are truly invested in well before the season ends. At the very least, they start talks before the end of the season, so that they address any issues.

    I suspect you are right. But there was a certain etiquette or clause or something prohibiting them from discussing it publicly until the winner was announced. It was the correct way to handle the situation.

  • Chicagolaw

    The music industry is in terrible shape. If they think Pia can move albums and make them money, they aren’t going to wait around. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if she gets an album out before the winner. The winner will still have the first single released in May.

  • Buffynut

    Mel1 says:

    05/02/2011 at 12:18 pm

    If the winner is the most talented and has the biggest fanbase, then he/she should be the most successful. They do get the winner’s package/promotion, and if they are charismatic enough, they should also get the media support. If a non-winner becomes more successful than the winner, than it’s apparent that person broke out of the idol bubble.

    I see your point, but it’s proven 2 years in a row that the winner does not have the biggest fanbase. They just have the fans that cast the most votes. It’s not the same thing. And I am judging only by the sales of the new albums in the first few weeks of release. I believe those figures can pretty much be attributed to their Idol fanbase. After that, it is indeed radio and reaching outside the fanbase.

  • weese

    I think the only thing the winner is guaranteed that no one else is is a Ford.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    If Pia and Paul are already starting new music, I think you can assume that at least two of the remaining contestants are doing so as well. I wonder if they will all be singing their new singles on tour?

    I hope so. One fundamental problem (which UMG should recognize from Sony’s history with Idol) is motivating fans to buy the singers’ new music. Integrating that new music into the tour seems like a logical solution.

    My money’s on both the winner and runner-up having at least singles out before the tour starts.

  • girlygirl

    Considering that the majority of people who go to the Idol tour are already huge Idol fans, I don’t know if performing new music on tour would guarantee a hit song, since the audience is likely to have already plunked down their $1.29 if they are a fan of that person. As always, the key will be to get the singles on the radio and move up the charts. Otherwise, it won’t matter much how many times they sing it on the Idol tour.

  • Kirsten

    I think the only thing the winner is guaranteed that no one else is is a Ford.

    The runner-up has always gotten one as well.

    The only thing the winner is guaranteed is a little silver microphone trophy…oops! No wait, isn’t Lee still waiting for his?

    The only thing the winner is guaranteed is a trip to DisneyWorld…er…well…I guess that is at the whim of Disney so that could change as well.

    Um…let’s see. They aren’t guaranteed a management contract with 19M. Anybody can get signed, so that really isn’t a “just for the winner thing”. Coronation singles are released on the same day for the winner and runner-up, so they aren’t guaranteed to be the only one to release a single first. Promotion is dependent on what the label feels like giving them. Anybody can appear in the credits or get invited back to sing on the show. Winners don’t always get shown on the big wall panels. Sometimes the runner up tags along to all the promo events. CDs can be released in any order. Let me see. Let me see.

    Oh! I’ve got it. The only thing the winner gets that the others don’t is to sing while the confetti falls.

    That’s what winning American Idol will get you that any other Idol will not.

    Nothing really new going on with Pia (except that it’s a little more public).

  • Mel1

    I think the only thing the winner is guaranteed that no one else is is a Ford.

    The winners are always guaranteed the biggest prize money (and that is substantial). They make the most money on the idol tour, as well as close the show with the most numbers. The winners get the winners’ promotion when they are promoting the new AI seasons.

    No matter how you look at it, it does pay to win.

  • paperboating

    Wow Pia is real the winner here it seems. Not only does she get a contract, she has the time to properly record, rest her voice for the tour and major publicity from the boot. lol it will be a bummer for our eventual winner if Pia’s singles become a bigger hit than theirs. This would totally undermine the whole competition.

    Oh well, if they are letting Pia do it, then go for it girl. I’m just very curious why the AI machine would let this happen.

    An early boot could actually be better this time around. Extra recording time and prepping is so vital.

  • jrain

    Where is it confirmed that Pia has to wait until the winner releases a single?

    I recall a few articles. Here are some quotes from one.

    “No way do the producers want a contestant who was kicked off having a hit record when the winner hasn’t even been announced yet,” another ‘Idol’ insider tells me. “The first hit song has always been from the winner and this year will be no different.”

    If you start having singers who were voted off charting before the show has wrapped, then the entire process loses credibility, my source contends.

    “This is about protecting the brand, not about protecting Pia,” the insider says. “She can record as many songs as she wants, but ‘Idol’ will refuse to allow them to be released for now until the show is over.”

    http://www.popeater.com/2011/04/11/pia-toscano-record-deal-american-idol/

  • Thirsty

    Dear American Idol,

    Not only have you jumped the shark, but you’ve chummed the waters with the remaining contestants. Way to go, Idol. Way to go.

    Thirsty

  • Kirsten

    The winners are always guaranteed the biggest prize money (and that is substantial).

    Not true. Idol offers no prize money.

    Technically, the guaranteed size of the winner’s advance is larger than the runner-ups, but that is money which will be recouped if the project makes enough money (essentially, they get a bigger loan). But, there is no guarantee that one of the other Idols may not be given a bigger advance and more money to record their album. It certainly seems from the evidence that some winners have had smaller recording budgets than contestants from their year who did not win.

    The OP was talking about things guaranteed to the winner that others do not get. Essentially, it is why do you want to win rather than finish 2-24?

    They make the most money on the idol tour

    According to Adam and Kris at the CNN interview where the question was specifically asked, that is not true. At least the runner-up and winner are paid the same amount for the tour.

    as well as close the show with the most numbers.

    They do appear to always close the show, but there have been cases where other Idols have been allowed to perform the same or more numbers.

    The winners get the winners’ promotion when they are promoting the new AI seasons.

    What is this winner’s promotion? Appearing on Leno or something? There have certainly been years where some contestants finishing 2-12 have had more and better promotional opportunities than the winner. The other shows get to pick who they want on the show. Idol doesn’t get to dictate who they have on. Winners often get on the most shows because those show runners believe that their (the show’s) audience will want to see them because they won.

    As for being used to promote the new AI season, not always. Kris got like the back of his head shown and Taylor didn’t even get mentioned by AI until they found some creepy guy who auditioned who kind of looked like him and used the bit to mock both of them. I don’t remember Jordin getting much of anything.

    All of this is at the whim of the producers. It is far better to curry favour with the producers and label. If they think they can make money off of you, you can get everything the winner gets and more.

    I’m not saying it is wrong. It just is what it is.

    So, Pia working on her album before the winner is not new. If she gets bigger names working on her album and a bigger budget than the winner it is not new. If she gets a better promo package it is not new. If she releases her music first, it is not new.

    The winner gets to sing while confetti falls on their head. Everybody else can aim for getting everything else the winner gets and maybe more. Most of them end up with much, much less. Pia may be one of the lucky ones.

    Winning will mean that you get something while coming in 8th might mean you get nothing (although, you could get more than the winner if you are lucky, marketable and play your cards right.

  • sr4mjc

    ““The first hit song has always been from the winner and this year will be no different.”

    There, that makes more sense. The first song will be from the winner. Or used to be. But this is Interscope, I don’t think old rules apply any more. I wonder if they’ll give them a coronation single or not.

  • girlygirl

    I’m pretty sure the winner’s and runner-up’s album advances are not recoupable. That’s their money to keep no matter what. They don’t get royalties until/unless the label makes back i’s money on the album, but in general, advances are not usually not recoupable.

  • Elliegrll

    f the winner is the most talented and has the biggest fanbase, then he/she should be the most successful.

    They are all talented, and all have a chance to be successful, even if their level of success doesn’t match the expectations of some AI fans.

    Being the most talented doesn’t mean that someone will be the most successful. Few would argue that Adele isn’t more talented than Britney Spears or Taylor Swift, but it’s highly doubtful that she’ll ever get as much press, buzz, airplay, or sell as many albums as they have. One reason for this is that she’s in a genre that traditionally doesn’t move a lot of albums, and that can’t rely on getting a lot of airplay. This is the situation that people like Paul and Casey would face, since their music isn’t exactly mainstream, they wouldn’t sell as much as someone like Stefano or Lauren, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t talented, or that they won’t be successful.

    Where is it confirmed that Pia has to wait until the winner releases a single?

    I recall a few articles. Here are some quotes from one.

    Your sources show that she has to wait until the season is over, which makes sense. Both the winner and runner up have always had songs released to radio stations after the season, so Pia having a song out, while the winner’s “coronation” song is out, is not new. The question is, will both or either songs be promoted by Interscope.

  • Kirsten

    I’m pretty sure the winner’s and runner-up’s album advances are not recoupable. That’s their money to keep no matter what. They don’t get royalties until/unless the label makes back i’s money on the album, but in general, advances are not usually not recoupable.

    If they are not recoupable, why are they called advances? Shouldn’t they be called signing bonuses?

    Advances are part of the money a label spends on making an album. It allows the artists to eat while they are waiting for the royalty cheques to start pouring in. So, when the royalties do start pouring in, the label scoops up it’s recoupbable costs (including the advance) before the artist sees any of this new money.

    If the artist does not make enough royalties to pay off their recoupables (including their advance), they don’t have to return the advance (the label isn’t going to reposses their car or anything). They just won’t see any royalties (other than mechanical royalties which are not subject to recoupment).

    Here is “How Stuff Work” on the subject: Music Royalties

    Here is a google book entry talking about advances. Khon on Music Licensing.

    An advance is an advance against future earnings. You don’t have to pay it back, but you won’t get any more money from the source until you’ve earned it back.

  • BootStar

    Could it be possible that the Interscope albums/singles will be crappier than the ones Sony put out. Yikes.

    If the iTunes releases this season are any indiciation, I think it’s entirely likely they will be crappier. Did anybody listen to Scotty’s single? If that’s how Interscope plans to produce a “country” album, Scotty and Lauren should be very very skeered.

  • springboard

    If they are not recoupable, why are they called advances? Shouldn’t they be called signing bonuses?

    Advances are part of the money a label spends on making an album. It allows the artists to eat while they are waiting for the royalty cheques to start pouring in. So, when the royalties do start pouring in, the label scoops up it’s recoupbable costs (including the advance) before the artist sees any of this new money.

    The UK X Factor signed contestants get an advance but also a lump sum that is not recoupable, something like £150000 for the winner and less for the runner-up. It is possible that it is the same for the idols.

  • TwigLA

    It bugs me. That’s about all I’ll say.

  • Chicagolaw

    Elliegrll, I’m going to have to disagree about Adele. At least where I’m at she has gotten GREAT buzz and much better (more favorable) media attention than Britney Spears. And it is just the beginning—she is ramping up to what will probably be a very high profile Fall as awards show season kicks in.

  • car3278sweet

    Did anybody listen to Scotty’s single? If that’s how Interscope plans to produce a “country” album, Scotty and Lauren should be very very skeered.

    ITA. LOL. It was really bad. And I actually checked Scotty’s out because for the first time, I enjoyed his song on the show.

    This is all about business. Jimmy doesn’t give a hoot about the show, he cares about moving records. And like I said before, who’s he got left to work with? Two very young country stars (Jimmy ain’t doing country records), a gospel singer, a jazzy bluesy singer (who’s my fav, but clearly not Jimmy’s) and a hard rock singer. I suppose Jimmy could dress James up as a pop star, but I’m not sure that’s what James wants and I’m not sure Jimmy is all that gungho on James to begin with.

    So he’s already got his pop star. He’s just counting the days impatiently so he can launch her and see how high she flies.

    This is a business.

  • Kirsten

    The UK X Factor signed contestants get an advance but also a lump sum that is not recoupable, something like £150000 for the winner and less for the runner-up. It is possible that it is the same for the idols.

    It is possible, but we’ve seen no evidence of it. The contract was leaked in S8 because it had to be filed since Allison was a minor and it did mention the sizes of advances, but not of any prizes.

    IMO, there should be a prize for winning and a big one. There should be prizes for runner-up and so on too. American Idol is the biggest show on TV. They can afford to throw around a few bucks. Sure, all these kids want is a career in music, but it helps to be financially stable too.

    About the singles, I wonder if one of the reasons they sound like crap is because they are being released a day earlier. I seem to recall that they used to record the singles on a Sunday (for release on Thursday). Now, they seem to be recording them on Friday or Saturday. That is less time to figure out the arrangement.

  • just sayin

    TwigLA says:
    05/02/2011 at 2:42 pm
    It bugs me. That’s about all I’ll say.

    Me too.

  • Elliegrll

    The UK X Factor signed contestants get an advance but also a lump sum that is not recoupable, something like £150000 for the winner and less for the runner-up. It is possible that it is the same for the idols.

    The idols don’t get any prize money. Maybe they should. I think the confusion about what’s recoupable comes from the fact that labels can’t get the advances back directly from the artists. They can get that money back only from the artist’s cut of the singles and albums that are sold.

    Elliegrll, I’m going to have to disagree about Adele. At least where I’m at she has gotten GREAT buzz and much better (more favorable) media attention than Britney Spears. And it is just the beginning—she is ramping up to what will probably be a very high profile Fall as awards show season kicks in.

    Can you honestly say that she’s gotten more buzz and media attention than Britney got when she was at her peak? She hasn’t been on more tv shows or magazine covers, and she hasn’t gotten more airplay. What’s happening for her now is very good, but this type of attention has happened for others in her genre, and while they still maintain their success, the amount of mainstream media attention that they’ve gotten has petered out over time.

  • Mtlfan

    Provided that it’s within the AI rules and she’s not getting a priviledged treatment in that regard, I just say more power to her.
    However I doubt that it would be within AI rules that she can have a single out along with the winner and runner-up (if he/she gets one). I tought that besides the winner and runner-up, the other contestants were free to release whatever they wanted only after the end of the tour

  • Chicagolaw

    Elliegrll, I’m talking about right now. Adele is top of iTunes and selling A LOT of albums. She’s just coming off a Rolling Stone cover and just had her song performed on Glee and AI. Every “artist pick” list I come across has her name on it. She has GREAT buzz and the media has caught on. Britney got a lot of buzz the week her album dropped, but has been in a decline.

    Not everybody breaks through, but Adele has done that. Sometimes true talent and critical acclaim can trump even a pop star like Britney.

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  • OvenMitt

    car3278sweet says:
    05/02/2011 at 2:49 pm

    This is all about business. Jimmy doesn’t give a hoot about the show, he cares about moving records. And like I said before, who’s he got left to work with? Two very young country stars (Jimmy ain’t doing country records), a gospel singer, a jazzy bluesy singer (who’s my fav, but clearly not Jimmy’s) and a hard rock singer. I suppose Jimmy could dress James up as a pop star, but I’m not sure that’s what James wants and I’m not sure Jimmy is all that gungho on James to begin with.

    So he’s already got his pop star. He’s just counting the days impatiently so he can launch her and see how high she flies.

    This is a business.

    I totally agree. The disparity between Idol the show and Idol the legitimate musical entity has reached canyon-like proportions. Iovine is gonna get something out of this parnership, even if it’s not with the winner. Say what you will about his “personality”, but the man is helming a record label that has a huge share of the pop radio market cornered. He may not know what makes a good reality show Idol, but he knows what sells units. He’d be crazy not to follow his instincts and use the resources at his disposal, ie: Pia.

  • mickeybordentwo

    The problem of runners-up vs. winners has existed since Season 2, when Ruben’s CD wasn’t ready to be released, and Clay’s fans were extremely upset his CD was being held up until Ruben was ready. RCA released Clay’s CD earlier than Ruben’s as a result (but not as early as had been announced), and Clay outsold Ruben. Clay also had the Rolling Stone cover article, and later, when Ruben got a Rolling Stone cover article, it wasn’t particularly flattering (nor was it believed to have sold as well).

    So nothing’s going on now that hasn’t happened throughout the course of Idol history. The problem, if you want to think of it as a problem, is a direct result of how Idol winners are chosen. The most number of phone calls on a single night is not necessarily indicatative of the biggest number of fans. Some years (Bo/Carrie) it is and some years (Adam/Kris) it isn’t.

  • girlygirl

    nvm

  • phil25

    It still benefits to be on the show. None of these contestants are guaranteed anything unless they finish first or second, and each time on the show presents the opportunity to gain new fans. I don’t think this harms the show or the contestants still on it at all.

    Pia is an anomaly. She was too marketable and had too much buzz for TPTB to let her go. I don’t think this will happen often (maybe once a season). It’s not as if Paul, Stefano, and Casey have rumored record deals with Interscope.

  • weese

    Paul does.

  • merkureye

    I have really been impressed with how coy Pia has been in all of the interviews she has given. In every case, from the night after elimination on the Leno Show, to DWTS, Pia has only stated that:

    1) everything happens for a reason
    2) she is in a good place now
    3) she is looking forward to the Idol Tour
    4) she thinks all of the remaining idols are amazing talents and she loves them all (thus promoting fan interest and loyalty to AI show for the rest of the season, even though most of us don’t give a sh*t since she’s has been gone)

    These are all by-rote answers that she has been given by Idol producers to say in response to interview questions. She has obviously been told to be a “good soldier” because:

    a) 19 wants to manage her career, and
    b) Interscope wants her to record a CD, and
    c) thus she will be “taken care of”

    I am happy for her. I don’t think Pia should be treated like a typical 9th place contestant. The ST and JLo promotion tour this year ostensibly called “judging”, in combination with the obvious irregularity in fan voting (frontrunner to elimination without a previous B3, never has happened before).

    The true competition begins after the AI Tour. We will the see in the arena of public opinion who is truly an American Idol and who is not. Let the games begin!

    Final note: As far as time to get a CD out, Pia could get one out in two-three months. Carrie’s Some Hearts CD took 10 weeks to complete from start (identify songs) to finish (manufacture). It is however, important to get a quality product. Releasing something fast that is trash will destroy a career before it gets off the ground.

    Carrie’s producer, Mark Bright, made that comment on CMT’s “In the Moment” documentary (tracking CU from AI, to in studio recording, to release of Some Hearts). Bright stated that if Sony does not get this CD (SH) right, it is “not going to go well for Carrie and her career.” Obviously, things went very well for CU and SH sold 7 million units.

  • songsungblue

    It’s not as if Paul, Stefano, and Casey have rumored record deals with Interscope.

    Paul does. He’s hinted at as much.

    Pia is an anomaly. She was too marketable and had too much buzz for TPTB to let her go.

    I don’t mean that I want her to flop – seriously, wish her all the best – but I wouldn’t be surprised if she did. She’s awfully stiff and mannered to shout NEW! STAR! Not to mention that she auditioned five times. I mean, they turned down such an amazing new star five times? Plus, the Voice trumped her ‘debut’ on DWTS, and if she has buzz – totally manufactured, if you ask me.

  • halo9125

    @merkureye- I totally agree with every word of your post.

    Pia is an anomaly. She was too marketable and had too much buzz for TPTB to let her go.

    Clearly, the girl has something- for all the talk that she is boring, stiff, has no personality, etc.- is anybody still talking about Ashton, or Karen, or any of the others? Does anybody REALLY think Stefano is going to hit the big time? Nope- but here we are, nearly a month after elimination, and this post got more comments than Casey’s appearance on Regis. She has managed to conduct herself quite well considering the crap that people are writing about her on the TMZ and on today’s ENews! artice (read the comments- many are disgusting).

    Somehow, I still have a feeling that TPTB wanted her out of the competition early- and not that it hurt her in the least- but Pia getting the lowest number of votes the week she was eliminated still doesn’t ring true to me.

  • mrskiddens

    This is right. The more kids who are signed at the end of the season the better. At the end of the season. The winner deserves the confetti and glory. I think that is diminished when it is advantageous for a contestant to be voted of at 11 so they get a head start on their album. If they are going to do this and still call it a competition than the winner must get more—like cash– in addition to the recording contract.

    ITA.

    And I care who wins and she was never my fave. Don’t get the fuss at all.

    Go James!

  • Falfor

    Honestly, I think Pia getting a contract this soon, before the winner is even chosen, is a slap in the face to the winner. Pia has a great voice, and she will probably be the one to carry on from this season of non-winners, but it really is like she is being declared the one to beat. A contract to record with a signature record studio is the main prize. And while other non-winners got recording contracts as well, it has been well after the show ended but this negates that prize and makes Idol no longer the peoples choice. She went out for a reason, good voice or not, and I don’t believe it was because people thought she was safe.

  • kmd

    I don’t think the Interscope label is a good fit for all of the idols. There are other Universal labels that would do a better job with someone like Casey or Haley. I was never thought jive did a good job with the idols either. Pia does not impress me.

  • Andy11

    I don’t know if they think Pia will sell a ton of records but they probably figure she will sell more than anyone left in the competition. Their nightmare scenario would be no one outselling Lee and Crystal after all this Idol reboot hype. Pia is probably their best insurance policy against that–it’s all about preserving the myth of Idol at least for the producers. Unclear if Iovine really cares about the money from record sale either or if he really just cares about the millions they are probably paying him to be on the show.

  • dishwalla

    Pia’s audience is not going to be with the trendy Top 40 VH1, MTV crowd. But I can see her and her music appealing to a more mature, record buying, concert going public. And that audience is out there. And that audience is usually the most consistent fans.

  • Lulu2

    Oh, yeah. How hilarious if she were to release a single on or before the finale and debut it on a results show. I can only wish.

  • Falfor

    All these different opinions seem to indicate that Idol fans are not really pleased. A questioning fan base is not the way to go. It takes away from the startup fans that get that ball rolling. I hope it works out for Pia, because at this point, I think it is a disadvantage.
    I was all for Pia when I first saw her. I know Pia sings well, and has a great shot at a music future, but at this point, seeing what has been done so far, none of which she has not objected to,(more publicity, dating Ballas, taking a high pay gig, being at odds about he said/she said regarding her boyfriend) and seeing her being so fake, I now sort of see her as a ladder climber. She is using her looks, and acting like someone who will stop at nothing to get what she wants. In my book, she is willingly hurting the winner of this competition and this does not make her a nice person. Go for the gusto aside, I hope I am wrong.

  • bean99

    Why shouldn’t Pia take advantage of what she’s being offered? She went out in 9th which usually is a huge disadvantage. The reason she’s getting these opportunities is that she was thought to go far in the show and was a shock boot. It doesn’t hurt that she has good looks to go with her talent. I’m really happy for her and wish her well.

  • ross

    So the media went crazy with the fact that she was eliminated, this got her the most buzz of any contestant this season, and they’re trying to ride that as far as it will go. The whole “omg, she was robbed” meme seems to be one of the best gimmicks, ever, for getting the media on board to promote someone for free – the media always falls right in line with it. Doesn’t matter if the person was actually brilliant or not (in her case, my vote is no). Seems a lot of buzz is created by “what might have been” – as opposed to if she had stayed four more weeks, truly bored people to death, and been eliminated when viewers were good and tired of her. But anyway, I guess time will tell.

  • TheOther

    The end result for anyone going on the show is to get a jump start in their career. The bottom line is that Pia can sing. And the fact that she got the media on her side is not a bad thing. The fact that Jimmy Iovine and Rodney Jerkins seems to really like her is not a bad thing. It’s now a whole new Idol with UMG at the helm.

    There are those who will never like her no matter what she does. Winning Idol no longer has the impact as it used too – just look at the tepid CD sales of Kris Allen and Lee Dewyze.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I totally agree. The disparity between Idol the show and Idol the legitimate musical entity has reached canyon-like proportions. Iovine is gonna get something out of this parnership, even if it’s not with the winner. Say what you will about his “personality”, but the man is helming a record label that has a huge share of the pop radio market cornered. He may not know what makes a good reality show Idol, but he knows what sells units. He’d be crazy not to follow his instincts and use the resources at his disposal, ie: Pia.

    I’m not sure if Iovine is right about Pia, but clearly, he thinks that she has a lot of commercial potential and Iovine is a businessman. At this point, it’s hard to know what previous “rules” apply in terms of Idols and if there are any restrictions on when non-winners record/release new music. Idol, the show, just needs to have someone be a significant commercial success each year and they have publicly admitted that it’s not always the winner (I’m a fan of Crystal’s, but sorry, she doesn’t qualify as a significant commercial success). It will be interesting to see what happens this year, since I’ve believed for a long time that this year, a number of the Idols will release singles (at least) and some will have EPs/CDs ready to promote on the Idol tour this summer. At this point, I haven’t heard anything about Naima, Thia, Stefano or Casey having been signed, so it’s still important to try to stay on the show as long as possible. Good luck to all of them.

  • Mary102

    I still have to wonder how much of a devoted Idol following Pia really gained from the show. Though this is hardly the end all be all to be successful after the show (in fact, it’s important to build a big fanbase beyond idol too if you really want longevity), I still think it’s an important criteria. It’s a matter of having that devoted fanbase that sticks with you for the months after you’ve left the show, and will wait for an album and songs and buy them, and then want to see you on tour, etc.

    And it’s one of the bigger disconnects to come out of idol recently – in terms of people getting the most votes and winning, but not having the most devoted fanbase after to stick around and keep supporting the artist.

    With Pia, I don’t really know that she had such a big, devoted following, be it on the show or now that she’s been off it for a little while. Are people REALLY clamboring for the next Pia ballad? I hardly missed her at all on AI when she left. IDK. If they market her well and she is lucky, she could gain a big audience outside of those who liked her on AI of course.

    In other years, we’ve had people strike big post AI in part at least due to big, devoted followings (Daughtry comes to mind, Adam certainly has most recently). Just my 2 cents.

  • jaybee

    I think this particular era of Idol will have 2,or more breakout stars that are non- winners.The recent set of winners are seen as Losers in the recording industry, and Pia will be just the start of this New Era trend…