Phillip Phillips “Home” Goes Triple Platinum!

Congratulations to American Idol winner, Phillip Phillips! His mega hit song “Home” has now gone mega platinum! The ubiquitous tune sold 110K downloads this week, putting sales just over the 3M mark.

“Home” has captured the No. 1 spot on six Billboard Charts, according to Hollywood Reporter, including on Rock Digital Songs, Hot Digital Songs, Hot Digital Tracks, Triple A and Triple A Audience. It has also been played on Adult Contemporary, Hot Adult Contemporary, Triple A, Pop and Alternative Rock radio formats.

Like I said..ubiquitous! The next single, to be released to radio after the first of the year, is “Gone Gone Gone”.

  • tierbee

    Go, P2, go. I’m not ashamed to admit that if you would’ve told me during Idol that he’d have a 3x platinum single I would’ve lauuuuuggghed at you. But I love this song… and it’s certainly *everywhere.* Congrats to him – hope “Gone, Gone, Gone” does well; I really like that song too.

  • jennyl2

    Congratulations P2!. 

  • ri2

    Yay for Phillip.  The next single is just as good. Hope it does well too.

  • tucker davis

    Posted this on another thread. Phillip does a different intro to ‘Home’ in Atlanta.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8_xqySFWxI

  • durbesque

    I haven’t heard ‘Home’ for a couple of weeks, and I don’t miss it.  That means I’m ready for GGG!!!

  • tigervixxxen

    Can it go for 4?! I believe that would be an Idol record.

  • http://twitter.com/bbmetsfan andy

    This is definitely going to be the top selling Idol (US) single when all is said and done!! WOW!

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    Congrats to Phillip.

  • emlz

    Congrats to him! I’ve heard the song just about everywhere and I still don’t mind listening to it. And I didn’t even consider him as one of my favorites on Idol. I’m not as excited for “Gone, Gone, Gone,” but I sincerely hope he’ll have another big hit.

  • Liteasy

    I knew P2 would do well from the time I saw him in the auditions, and then all during the Idol show in spite of the naysayers!  Yay for “Home”!!!

  • TheOther

    Phillip should be very proud of what he has achieved.  Season 11 may have had the lowest ratings, but it produced one of the biggest selling Idol songs of all time.  In addition, Phillip’s CD debuted higher than 3 other winners.

  • girlygirltoo

    Congrats to Phillip (and the songwriters)! I was not really a believer in him during his run on the show, but I’m happy to see “Home” exceeding probably everyone’s expectations, and I hope that Gone, Gone Gone turns out to be another hit for Phillip because it’s a good song. P2 is certainly off to a great start to his career with this song and his strong album sales….hopefully he will be able to keep the momentum (or much of it, anyway) throughout 2013.

  • CFIdolsfan

    I believe the intro is the same as what he once said he would do with his guitarist when they would warm up for a concert. I saw at least 1 video of him doing it this way. It sounds cool, too, IMO. Congrats to him for reaching the triple platinum mark. I like GGG, too, and hope it becomes as successful.

  • lila6089

    Congrats to Phillip!!   I’m so happy for him!

  • roarpen

    Wow! Congratulations are in order for P2, Jimmy Iovine and to Idol, which can legitimately claim to be a star-maker. So much for the WWWG curse.

  • windmills

    Congrats P2 and the songwriters Greg Holden and Drew Pearson!! This whole run has been nothing but good times. The song caught on before it became ubiquitous, so radio and other big media interests just had to get on the bandwagon.

  • Ali Oshinsky

    i went to see Parental Guidance the other night (new Billy Crystal film) and wouldn’t ya know – Home comes on at the end, at a key part of the movie. Yes, it’s EVERYwhere

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7Y7GLRUZ3DEDNAV4O4VWVN62TA Donne

    Congrats P2 ! Excellent job done by Jiimmy Iovine and his group. So far P2 is the only one from Season 11 with album and single on the market.

  • Goodvibes27

    Congrats but this is blind luck more than anything else. P2 was given the song. He badmouthed it at first, saying it wasn’t his style. He had absolutely no idea what a great song he was given in comparison to some of the absolute turkeys some of the more talented winners were handed. I guess he has warmed up to it now LOL.

  • jcabby

    A big congrats to Phillip, the writers, and to Jimmy Iovine. And another congratulations to the Idol brand for continuing to make stars.

    Iovine’s addition to the show has been stellar for the winners. Scotty and Phillip are successful. I can’t wait to see what comes next on the new season of Idol!

  • fantoo1

    Happy that he has proven a ton of haters wrong :)

  • CFIdolsfan

    Great accomplishment by Phillip on both counts. I may be wrong, but as far as I know, the only other one following closely behind is Colton Dixon. His single, “You Are,” has been playing on Christian stations across the country. His album is to come out end of January.

  • Goodvibes27

    Yes Iovine has proven to be much more astute than Clive Davis. Remember Clive wanted Carrie to record a pop album until she stood her ground.  I give Iovine much credit for having a clue andfinding the right songs for the winners in his charge.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Well, I still don’t like P2 as a singer and that hasn’t changed one bit. He’s been extraordinarily lucky with the commercial success of Home (despite his repeated protests that the song doesn’t represent him musically). It’s still very early in his post-Idol career and it remains to be seen if he can extend his success beyond his first album and single.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tammyluebrecht Tammy Luebrecht

    I could be wrong but isn’t Home played in the new Clint Eastwood movie, Trouble with the Curve? I know the song already had good sales before but that had to help a lot too I would think.

  • irockhard

    It was used in the trailer but not the movie itself.

  • Hazehel

    Can it go for 4?! I believe that would be an Idol record.

    I am pretty sure it will go 4x platinum (it will probably sell 4-500,000 copies within the next 3-4 weeks alone), but Kelly Clarkson will get to 4x platinum first.   I think it will likely beat Stronger in the long run though.

    When are they releasing Gone Gone Gone?  They should release it  as soon as they can in January.

  • heike hoffmann

     Yes you don´t maybe a fan of him vocally and many others also, but many people love his tone of voice and specially on “Home”. He was lucky with this song beause its a good song, but also because it fits perfectly his voice. So we have also give Phillip  some credit for the success ( beside the olympics).
    I don´t know how successful  his next single will be, but with GGG he has the biggest chance to reach gold or more. These  kind of folksongs let Phillips voice come across more beautiful ( or for people who don´t like him as a singer atleast more acceptable).

  • jpfan2

    This could outsell Stronger! Biggest idol sngle ever. P2 has a few years to worry about the sophmore slump. The album just dropped last month. We still are on single 1 and I think we’ll get 2 or 3 more due to Home smashing.

  • Mateja Praznik

     One hit single doesn’t necessary mean #2 and #3 will be hits too.

  • jpfan2

    Usually they give an artist a few chances after a smash. Even if GGG flops he gets single 3. No doubt about it.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I don´t know how successful  his next single will be, but with GGG he has the biggest chance to reach gold or more. These  kind of folksongs let Phillips voice come across more beautiful ( or for people who don´t like him as a singer atleast more acceptable).”

    GGG will extend the problem that P2 has repeatedly claimed was important to him – that he wants his success is based on HIS OWN music, rather than songs written by others.

    I’d rather sell 10,000 records that represent me than 2 million that don’t represent me at all. 
    Phillip Phillips

    I think that it’s telling that, overwhelmingly, GGG appears to be the favorite of P2 fans for his next single, another song that he had no part in writing. So it remains to be seen how happy the success of Home and GGG will make P2, since neither of those songs fulfill his  stated “artistic” hopes.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I’ve always put those Idols who had to deal with Clive in a different category than than those who didn’t. It’s amazing to me that Kelly survived what Clive tried to do to her, and I believe that some of the other Idols under Clive could have been a lot more successful if Clive hadn’t been in control of their CDs. So far, Iovine has done an amazing job compared with Clive, and that’s been beneficial for both Scotty and especially P2.

  • jpfan2

    Clive had the biggest sellers of all so he did something right. P2 has been accepted by radio for his genre TripleA. His own music isn’t much different from Home or GGG. It’ s all in the same genre. The most important tthing is that radio keeps playing him. ;)

  • Tess

    Nice job Interscope.  Someone actually picked a decent song with upbeat lyrics and a fun melody to give to an Idol winner.  I don’t think this song has anything to do with Phillip’s ability as a singer and it sure isn’t him strumming that old guitar on the recording.  This was all about the song…in fact most of the commercials it plays in it is done as an instrumental only.  Also, the tune is more than half instrumental as far as I can tell.  People aren’t buying it because of PP, they are buying it because they like the tune, as far as I can tell.

    This will be Phillip’s one hit wonder and his albatross just like David Cook’s coronation song.  Neither one will ever move beyond that success I don’t think.

  • MellyPer1692

    Congrats Phillip and songwriters!!! Personally, I think the success is due to BOTH parties, it’s not just the song IMO.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “His own music isn’t much different from Home or GGG.”

    So you disagree with P2’s own assessment of Home vs. his own music? I think that it’s pretty clear that Home is quite different from the songs that P2 composed and recorded on Moon.

    “P2 seems like a happy dude. If GGG is another smash I think he can handle it.”

    lol I notice that lately P2 hasn’t said anything about rather selling “10,000 records that represent me than 2 million that don’t represent me at all”.

    I’m curious if P2 has now changed his mind about the above quote considering the commercial success of “Home”. I wouldn’t be surprised if his “artistic” feelings were now rather modified because of his commercial success. In public statements lately, it sounds like his publicist has managed to get through to him. lol

  • jpfan2

    I don’t follow P2 closely. I haven’t read interviews etc. I like his album and do enjoy following Idol singles on the charts and there P2 is golden.

    My only miscall on Home was the missed Grammy call. I think GGG will do well but not smash. But no GGG till Home is done and it hasn’t yet.

  • getaway1

    The now infamous “Mark my word, this guy will be the worse selling winner of all time who will destroy the AI franchise” easily tops the list of bad AI prophecies, lol.           

  • http://twitter.com/annmgee Ann Gardner

    My guess is that Phil got to have some say in the arrangement and production of GGG, so that he could “make the song his own.” He takes covers and puts his own spin on them all the time. I don’t think he has to write the song in order to be “represented.” (He just needs to be able to fiddle with it.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Labels are reluctant to release a new single if the current one is still selling well (unless you’re a pop star like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, etc).  They don’t want to cannibalize the known smash for an unknown one.  So they’ll wait until Home moves down far enough on the charts before releasing single #2. 

    They’ll probably want to debut the second single on Idol but not too early in the season.  According to what I’ve seen of Phil’s popularity and the sound of Gone, Gone, Gone I think it will go at least gold if not platinum, but that it will take quite a while. 

    That brings up the question of single #3.  Will the label want to postpone release of album #2 in order to release and promote a 3rd single.  That’s the million dollar question.  I’m guessing no. (Another factor will be how well the CD is selling at that point.)  I think they’ll want to get that second CD out quickly to avoid the sophomore slump and strike while the iron’s hot.  I foresee only 2 singles for Phil off this CD and since neither one has Phil’s name on them there’s no big co-writing payday for Phil except for what he’s seeing from his album sales. 

    Doing some back of the envelope number crunching, Phil will probably fulfill  his recoupment requirements (or be very close) and will start his 2nd CD cycle with a clean slate.  He wasn’t flown all over the place to meet with multiple co-writers and a somewhat economical producer was used.  His video didn’t use a lot of extra’s nor was it shot in exotic locations so it appears to the casual onlooker that his CD and promo costs aren’t exorbitant.  The rate of returns for the label for this first CD cycle is probably looking pretty good.  This bodes well for Phil for the next CD cycle.

    It will be interesting to watch in the future, for sure.

  • potatorocks

    I think 20 year olds get to gain experience and change their minds.  To keep pounding something he said before he felt a connection to a song he didn’t write seems strange to me.  Philip is growing and has moved on — the naysayers are stuck.  

  • maymay

    People often buy a song beacuse of song itself not because of singer. But who cares? That isn`t a big deal. And yes, people buy Home because it is great but PP sings great too. PP `s album sold almost gold in five weeks. That means people like to buy Home , also his album. He wrote and co-wrote 9 songs on the standard version.

    I don`t think Phillip will be one hit wonder. I predict Gone Gone Gone is the next hit single. 

  • CB40

    I must say I was wrong about P2’s post-Idol marketability and sales ability. Pleasantly surprised and there’s only one Picasso and that’s Idol!! :)

  • getaway1

    I think 20 year olds get to gain experience and change their minds. To keep pounding something he said before he felt a connection to a song he didn’t write seems strange to me. Philip is growing and has moved on — the naysayers are stuck.

    The unfortunate thing is that Phil never seems to get quoted for how the song has impacted people’s lives, especially with Hurricane Sandy.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    That doesn’t fit with what P2 has said about Home, which he disavowed as being representative of his own music, despite putting whatever of his own spin on the song. So, I think that now his “artistic” feelings may have changed, which is probably for the best commercially and his future career, since P2’s personal favorites of his own songs are far down the list of the favorites of his fans, and certain ones (eg. Hazel) didn’t even make the main CD.

  • iani

    That brings up the question of single #3.  Will the label want to
    postpone release of album #2 in order to release and promote a 3rd
    single.

    Phil will probably fulfill  his recoupment requirements (or be very
    close) and will start his 2nd CD cycle with a clean slate.  He wasn’t
    flown all over the place to meet with multiple co-writers and a somewhat
    economical producer was used.  His video didn’t use
    a lot of extra’s
    nor was it shot in exotic locations so it appears to the casual onlooker
    that his CD and promo costs aren’t exorbitant.

    I think they might go for album #2 if GGG would go slowly gold. The next M&S hint-song is
    “Can’t Go Wrong” written with the Home’s songwriters, but in MO it’s a song closer to GGG than Home, so it might stop right there the appearances of P2 as the Mumfordish artist than to come then with a “new style” for a third single.

    I agree that Interscope (or Jimmy himself ) is a master of getting the best results  with less money possible, they have been lucky with P2 because I think Phillip himself is a less pretentious artist, the everyday kind of humble guy, more “economical” sort of, with a personal sound that is nothing fastuous  to ask for fastuous, artificial details.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Oh and the title of the biggest Idol single ever goes to … Call Me Maybe.

  • annie12120

    I would like to see all the links/proof to all this “disavowed” and “repeatedly” and “hated the song” and repeatedly denying the song suits him that you keep referring to – get your facts straight
    He said right after winning AI in ONE interview that the song is not what to expect on his album… Big deal. After all the drecky coronation songs the other winners have been saddled with, who could blame him? Who knew Home would explode like it did after hearing it once?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    It was mentioned more than in just one interview, enough to make a lasting impression. Go through the old threads here on MJ’s or Google is your friend.

    “After all the drecky coronation songs the other winners have been saddled with, who could blame him? Who knew Home would explode like it did after hearing it once?”

    The point is that P2 didn’t recognize Home as a good song (and he had certainly heard it more than once), and was quick to disavow it, until it became a commercial blockbuster. I don’t blame him for changing his opinion, but it’s still true that Home and GGG don’t sound like his own songs on Moon, so there’s still that disconnect that exists between those songs and P2’s own compositions. It remains to be seen if that will be a problem for him in the future.

  • sue

    Go PP!!!!!!!  Awesome!  This song keeps on giving and giving………..Another success for the idol franchise! :)

  • TheOther

    Phillip’s perception is very different outside the AI bubble compared to within. In the bubble fan wars, every mistake, ever quote is rehashed and rehashed where he is not allowed to grow and is forever frozen to his Idol performances.

  • waitingforthe1

    He reminds me of Mumford & Sons.  Is that intentional or is that really his style? 

    I don’t like Gone Gone Gone as much as Home but still a good song so I can see it riding the momentum of Home to being a hit.

    What I found odd is Philip saying he wrote or co-wrote all the songs on the album and that he felt proud because “not many from idol get to do that”.  Kris Allen wrote or co-wrote his debut, Lee did as well.  I’m pretty sure most of the idols are expected at this point to at least co-write part of their debut album, even if those songs aren’t being chosen as singles. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOT1WL3wsOM

  • TheOther

    Kris Allen wrote or co-wrote his debut, Lee did as well.

    The big difference is that Phillip’s CD has sold.

  • wordnerdarchie

    What I found odd is Philip saying he wrote or co-wrote all the songs on
    the album and that he felt proud because “not many from idol get to do
    that”.  Kris Allen wrote or co-wrote his debut, Lee did as well. 

    He didn’t really say that, did he?  Because there are two songs on his album that he didn’t have a hand in writing.  He just failed to correct Kathy Lee in that clip.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    But no GGG till Home peaks and it hasn’t yet.

    Home has peaked. It is on its way down the CHR chart. They should go ahead and release GGG now and give it time to move slowly up the charts before P2 goes on Idol to perform it. This single will be different. It won’t have something like an Idol finale and an Olympic golden moment pushing it up on
     iTunes, which pushed it up the charts.

  • windmills

    I still giggle when I remember P2’s original reaction to Home and his clumsy walkback of his original comments. I’m on board with teasing him for that in light of Home’s monster success but the good thing is it seems like he learned a lesson from that, right? At this point after his original miss I feel like that’s all I could ask of him. If P2 was going to turn into an egotistical “I know better/I am an artiste” kind of guy he sure got a lesson in the best way possible, didn’t he? Sometimes, probably most of the time, the labels don’t know better but there are occasions when they do. This was 1 of those times and P2’s main stroke of luck is he learned that while enjoying 1 of 2012’s biggest hits. As a result he basically had to see the value in opening up to collaborations and expanding his vision a bit. IMO his album benefited from that.

    I think when P2 sees the impact Home has had on people, and I think he even mentioned this when he saw the montage of Home against footage of Hurricane Sandy, he’s probably in awe. I don’t think he’s the guy who’s suddenly going to act like he’s the reason that song went huge. He had a key role in it but, I think he also realizes the songwriters did something special when they wrote that song. This is a song that changed things for him, it’s the main reason his album will sell more than 500k before 2012 is over because it’s helped him hang onto his Idol fanbase, and it has opened doors for him. If P2’s the guy I think he is, 6 months after the fact, he feels nothing but gratitude and awe this song came his way.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    The main hint I had that the producers liked PP was allowing guitar playing on his audition.  I thought he was really cute but did not imagine this success.  Hope  Season 12’s winner will be just as lucky!

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    Yep. See, One Direction.

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    I find it funny that people say Phillip has nothing to do with the success of the song. There’s very little people that could have done this song justice. I don’t think Jessica Sanchez for example could have made this a hit.

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    Not American Idol.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Idol franchise. It doesn’t matter if it’s American, Canadian, Australian, Swedish or the original Pop Idol.

  • Mateja Praznik

     “Little Things” is their second UK #1 single. It’s currently climbing the radio charts in the US, but they are releasing new music video for “Kiss You” in the beginning of January, so that might mess everything up.

  • suenigma

    Tess: “This will be Phillip’s one hit wonder and his albatross just like David
    Cook’s coronation song.  Neither one will ever move beyond that success I
    don’t think.”

    Not really seeing the connection at all? Home as a song is far, far superior to Time of My Life, and I really don’t think that P2 will ever look back and regret it’s success, or see it as an albatross. It is also well within his chosen genre, and despite the fact that he didn’t write it, skews fairly close to his own music. Clearly the same cannot be said about TOML for Cook. In addition, I would say that Cook’s vocal talent elevated TOML – he made a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, whereas Phillip’s talent was in keeping with his material, he turned a silk purse into an even nicer silk purse.

    And good for him – he is a very charming, talented, attractive and accessible musician, IMO, and I really think that he has a great opportunity now to expand on this early success and become a lasting, relevant music artist, in a way that nobody else from AI has been able to do in the past five years or so. He seems to be the right artist arriving at the right time in the music industry, in the same way that Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry were. I’m excited and hopeful to see what the future has in store for him.

    As an aside, Cook had two platinum + singles, a gold single, and a platinum album before apparently falling off the face of the earth, so I would say that several other male contestants who only had one platinum hit, and didn’t sell a million albums, could more accurately be called one hit wonders. That being said, I am not going to dispute your assertion that Cook may never match his early success, for a lot of reasons, none of which are a lack of talent, IMO.

  • girlygirltoo

    You would think so, wouldn’t you? But Kris never really got a 3rd single after LLWD did so well (they said AWM was the 3rd single but the label never officially sent it to radio or pushed it in any way shape or form) and if you consider WWFM Adam’s 1st single, then he never got a 3rd single either, despite WWFM’s success.  I don’t believe Archie got a 3rd single, even though “Crush” was a huge hit (it has gone double platinum). And I think Scotty has only had 2 singles off his album, hasn’t he? I’m not sure (it may depend on whether you count the coronation song). How many singles did Jordin get off her debut album?

    So if GGG tanks (which I doubt it will, but go with me here), there’s no guarantee he’d get a 3rd single. If GGG didn’t do well, a 3rd single might  depend on whether the album was still selling decently. If the cd is still chugging along in a similar way as CAD has for Scotty, then, yeah, single #3 would be likely no matter how GGG did. But if the album sales fall way off, they might just decide to move on to album #2.

  • Axxxel

    congrats P2 !!

  • Axxxel

    congrats P2 !!

  • jpfan2

    No one knows if HOME has peaked until after the charts return to normal. Once an album is off the BB200 the singles are done or get no support. I still think Home is so big that he’ll get single 3 even if GGG flops though.

  • heike hoffmann

     Why should he give such statement about “rather selling 10000 records that represents me than 2 million that don´t represent me at all” now that he sold almost 500 000 records with music, that presents him for the biggest part?
    And “Home”  maybe helped a bit the album-sells. But the most people bought the album, because they like Phillips music and not because they like “Home”. Then say could simply download the single and don´t have to buy the album.

  • ri2

    Amen to that.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    I have meant to comment on Phillip’s initial reaction to Home and how he did not feel that song represented him at first for a looooong time, so please bear with me, this post is not gonna be short. :)

    This thing is always brought up as some kind of mistake or misstep on his part, but here is a perspective of an big fan of alt.rock music who unexpectedly found herself captivated by the quality of exquisite mix of blues/funk/jazz-rock this seemingly WGWG singing competition catnip of a guy was pushing out week in and week out.

    Throw out the “We’ve Got Tonight” smoochy drivel and the compilation of Phillip’s covers made for an excellent album of music that hit all of my sweet alt.rock spots.
    So when it came to the coronation song I was exited to hear Phillip’s original, or I was prepared to endure some sappy variation on “This is me now”, hopefully reimagined by him.
    What I was completely unprepared for, was that after all the horns and sacks, and cello, all the intricate play with melody and rhythm we got a complete 180 turn around, almost a polar opposite of art.rock spectrum – strongly popyfied fork-rockish song “Home”.
    I was just shocked.
    And disappointed.
    And completely at loss as to what kind of sound will his album have, because even though I respect the genre and enjoy some of it’s best offering I have no interest in all folk-rock album period. And if after all that Phillip did on the show he was forced to sing 10 Home sound-alike, well that would be a grate shame. I don’t know what percentage of his fans are his fans purely based on his music, but for us… it would be a loss.
    So yes I was GLAD, as a matter of fact I even cheerd and fist pumped in relief when he made that statement. Home is indeed not the sound that he was showcasing all season long, and at the time apparently it felt as foreign to him as it did to me.
    I was relieved to hear reassurance that this sudden departed was not going to cause him to forget where his heart lies musically. That statement gave me incentive to wait for his album again.
    Home was a foreign body in the landscape of Phillip’s sound, to reject it was the most natural reacting one could expect. That reaction made me see him as more of artist, not less.

    Of course after first wave of irritation have passed I went back and actually listened to Home with clear mind, and when the hook refused to let me go for hours, it was clear that the song had a very strong commercial potential, and could actually so go somewhere.

    And it did. And after many performances, and some tinkering  Phillip had grown into the song (so did I).
    As a music lover I am very satisfied with the album. Two Home-induced songs are great, and as a whole, as far as my personal experience with Idol goes, ‘World From The Side Of The Moon’ is the most satisfying fulfillment of the contestant’s Idol-run promise (coronation song included).
    And I could not be happier that Home is doing so great, building up Phillip’s name recognition, legitimizing him to Triple A format, selling the album… Because as also committed chart watcher I recognize that Phillip’s musical preference are very niche and though for me personally ‘Drive me’ is hands down favorite song of the album, and would be an ideal final dot to his Idol journey, I fully recognize that it would never be a hit.

    As for Phillip himself… It seems obvious to me that he does not have business-smarts, oblivious in many regard, I would say (so many artistic people are). Nor is he aggressively driven by the promise of fame and wealth. He was talking about being at awe that so many people connected and was positively affected by ‘Home’. And that (and a good experience in creating his debut album) is IMHO why he is at peace with the way things went, not sales or money.
    And that’s OK too. Jimmy, and Phillip’s team are there worry about sales and chart positions for him. Hopefully all the way to platinum album. ;)

  • fuzzywuzzy

     “But the most people bought the album, because they like Phillips music and not because they like “Home”.”

    I don’t think that one can assume that. Like other Idols, P2’s sales the first few weeks are from his Idol fanbase. lt remains to be seen if P2’s popularity will last beyond his first CD.

  • Anny_nanny

    Awesome!

    But I love more “Wanted Is Love”. )))

  • getaway1

    “But the most people bought the album, because they like Phillips music and not because they like “Home”.”
    I don’t think that one can assume that. Like other Idols, P2’s sales the first few weeks are from his Idol fanbase.

    That’s ironic, because before the CD came out, it was predicted that Phil would have low initial sales because he had a small Idol fan base.  I remember the comparasions of how his Amazon sales were weak compared to previous winners.  Then there’s Kris Allen who had a hit with LLWD, but he only sold 346k total of his debut CD. It’s not at all inconceivable that people are buying The World From The Side Of The Moon because it is a good album.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Kris Allen’s LLWD wasn’t in the top 10 on iTunes or the radio charts when his album came out. It also wasn’t a coronation song that was used for the shining moment of the Summer Olympics and also used for several commercials and movies. The people that predicted low sales for P2’s album weren’t taking into consideration the fact that he had a mega hit coronation song on his hands. The last winner to have a hit song at the same time his album came out was David Cook. PP’s numbers should have been closer to the first week numbers of David Cook, instead of the numbers of the rare exceptions of Kris’s and Lee’s opening numbers.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    All the songs in the top 10-20 on CHR are experiencing some slow downs for a few days around Christmas and New Years day. Home isn’t simply experiencing a slow down, it is dropping. There are several new songs that have momentum and a much higher bullet that will pass it in the next couple of weeks. Home might bounce around from 8 to 10 as older songs drop out of the top 10 and as the newer songs climb, but it has peaked on CHR.

  • getaway1

    Kris Allen’s LLWD wasn’t in the top 10 on iTunes or the radio charts when his album came out.

    But even when LLWD was in the Top 10 on Itunes and radio, Kris was not able to move his CD.

    The last winner to have a hit song at the same time his album came out was David Cook.

    Prior to Phil, the last winner to have a hit song at the same time his album came out was Scotty with I Love You This Big.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    LLWD was in the top 10 after the Christmas season. Weekly abum sales for the large majority of artists drop off to 20K or below. P2 had a top 10 song at the same time that his album came out during the holiday buying season.  

    Scotty’s ILYTB was not the same type of radio hit that Home is and it wasn’t in the top 10 on country radio at the time his album came out. ILYTB also didn’t come close to having the same AI that Home had at the time PP’s album was released.
    Despite the fact that Scotty had a moderate hit on country radio only, he still managed to sell 850K albums by the first week in January.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    But I love more “Wanted Is Love”. )))

    That happens to be my second favorite song from the album. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/tle2000 Taylor

    P2 is the first WGWG Idol winner that’s popular with 20-something MALE fans.  I know many age 18-34 male fans that like P2, but never liked any of the previous 4 WGWG winners. His style of folk/alt-rock seems to set him apart from the others, and I think he will be the 1st WGWG from Idol to be successful since the days of Daughtry.

  • windmills

    getaway1:

    fuzzywuzzy: I don’t think that one can assume that. Like other Idols, P2’s sales the first few weeks are from his Idol fanbase.

    That’s ironic, because before the CD came out, it was widley predicted
    that Phil would have low initial sales because he had a small Idol fan
    base.

    Not by me :) I felt Home was key in helping P2 to retaining a lot of his AI fanbase because it kept his name out there with a song that obviously had wide appeal and I still believe that be the case. I think fuzzywuzzy is right on: the 1st month and change of debut album sales is mostly about the Idol fanbase.

    getaway1: It’s not at all
    inconceivable that people are buying The World From The Side Of The Moon
    because they like Phil’s music and not because of Home.

    I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive: IMO the great majority of the album sales are Idol fans who bought into P2 musically based on his AI covers, who stuck around because of Home.

    LongKissGoodnight: I was relieved to hear reassurance that this sudden departed was not
    going to cause him to forget where his heart lies musically. That
    statement gave me incentive to wait for his album again.

    Home was a
    foreign body in the landscape of Phillip’s sound, to reject it was the
    most natural reacting one could expect. That reaction made me see him as
    more of artist, not less.

    I see your point though IMO P2 has always lacked that virtuosity as a musician that defines the success of people in his niche. It’s his biggest liability in that niche but, the success of Home and his album have bought him time to hone his craft.

    I saw P2’s comment as a mistake for a couple reasons:

    1- I thought it came off closed-minded about the kind of artist P2 can be because I don’t believe P2 is fully formed as an artist yet. If he were, he wouldn’t be still be DMB lite after his album was released. Since IMO P2 has a way to go before he develops his own identity, I felt he should have sounded more willing to grow when presented with resources and collaborative opportunities beyond the limitations of his past. Though I could understand P2 not wanting to be run over by the label machine, IMO Home was the wrong battle to pick. But, to his credit P2 realized that and he did start to open himself up more to growth in different directions and growth through collaboration.

    2- I thought P2’s comment came off disrespectful to Drew Pearson and Greg Holden and their work. They are artists too, and much further along in their development than P2 is. I’m somebody who’s all about songwriters getting more attention and credit so the tone of his comment really rubbed me the wrong way. But, I believe he’s come around to really valuing their song and what they did for him.

  • standtotheright

    He’s the first winner who got significant airplay on a format that targets 18-34 year old male fans since Daughtry (yes, Daughtry did get airplay on Mainstream Rock).

    So all that says is that a good radio strategy matters. Unless you know masses of 18-34 male viewers of AI who are still watching but only now enthusiastic about a winner’s music, in which case you should be offering to sit down with Fox network focus groups.

  • standtotheright

    So, I think that now his “artistic” feelings may have changed, which is probably for the best commercially and his future career,

    What’s best commercially is what radio will accept. I still think GGG may have a harder time at AAA than people anticipate because it’s the songwriter’s format, and I think that AAA reception matters a lot more than some posters here have claimed. There’s a reason that the Lumineers didn’t skip launching Stubborn Love at AAA even though Ho Hey is a top 3 pop hit.

    P2’s personal feelings about the songs are only relevant insofar as they help or hinder him sell another song he didn’t write to genre that is less receptive to that sort of thing. But he seems to have come up with some really good PR statements on that front lately, so it comes down to the song and to PD resistance.

  • Anny_nanny

    “If he were, he wouldn’t be still be DMB lite after his album was released.”

    Daughtry is still Nickelback-lite, 6 years passed. And three albums.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    All that radio strategy means is that PP picked up 2-3 million AI on the triple A format. That’s a small drop in the bucket when you compare it to the 90 million AI Home is getting on CHR and HAC. In the past, Idols have picked up an extra 2-3 million on formats such as AC, CAC, Gospel, Rhythmic,Urban, Dance, Urban AC, Country, etc. I’m not sure why 18-35 year old male fans are more important than 18-35 year old female fans or gay fans or ethnic fans. What makes 18-35 year old male fans so special?

  • Karen C

    His style of folk/alt-rock seems to set him apart from the others,

    I think the difference is timing, because the folk/alt rock type of music is very popular and current.  And also because the label is promoting him properly to that style of music. This is similar to Daughtry because at the time they came out, their type of post grunge rock was popular. 

  • jpfan2

    P2’s genre isn’t Pop it is Triple AAA so he needs all the male fans he can get. That is what killed Cook in the rock genre. Actually any new fans of any age or gender are good. They keep the career alive when IDol fame dies.

  • http://twitter.com/cheeseE1 EH

    Congrats to Phillip.  I think GGG stands a good chance at doing very well on radio and I would be surprised if he doesn’t have another at least platinum single on his hands.  

    And if it doesn’t do that well on AAA, but comes anywhere close to Home’s success on other formats, well, he won’t really miss the 3 million AI.  

  • iani

    His style of folk/alt-rock seems to set him apart from the others

    Yes, he’s the first winner with a sound that put him apart, the trio “rock, folk, jazz” group was not on TPTB business agenda in order to make/keep the show successful (through the AI winners’ genres) other than the perfect trio of “pop, R&B, country” group. They had Taylor(?-not sure here), DC and Lee that they had to adjust their pre-idol musical styles to fit the business-wise agendas with their albums. DC in MO was before AI more of the Alt, AAA with interesting taken of his music and artist to go more with the mellowy one, Lee went from his folk rock to pop tunes with a voice/style that was nothing to fit that genre(I used to name him back in 2010 the Marcus Munford replacement in case of some unfortunate laryngitis). Now P2 is the winner with the right genre before and after the show, soft transition with his style, some singles that fit his format/style also, so album is good, no strange sounds and jumps from one side to another extreme genre. The eclectic sound in his album of M&S, DMB, and his 4-songs or others are in the same circle-format, a more mature, masculine one, less mellowy musically and lyrically and I think also that he has gained more male audience than other WGWG winners.

  • girlygirltoo

    Phillip isn’t the first Idol winner who could be described as folk/alt rock. That distinction would go to Lee. If Lee had been given “Home” as his coronation song, it would have fit pretty neatly into his wheelhouse (that isn’t to say it would have gone 3x platinum, because who knows how Lee would have changed it up from P2’s take on it, and of course there were no Olympics in 2010. And not to take too much away from Phillip, who performs the song very very well and has obviously connected with the public as an artist; who knows whether Lee would have done the same). David Cook and Kris also could have fit into the AAA genre if the label had allowed them to go in that direction (David more so than Kris, as Kris is more of a pop/rock guy than David, Lee or Phillip).

    Timing and great promotion, not to mention a bit of luck, has a lot to do with how well Phillip has done. His style is definitely current and popular right now. 3-4 years ago, he might have had more trouble, because that would have been before Mumford & Sons, The Lumineers and all the other alt rock/folk groups started seeing real mainstream success. 

    And of course there’s the question of if Sony was still the label associated with Idol, would they have let him make this album, or would they have tried to make him to go more of a HAC/pop direction, like they did with David, Kris and Lee? 

    On the one hand, I don’t want to minimize Phillip’s success or the role his talent and appeal has had in it, because that’s not fair to him. But on the other hand, he has had pretty much everything go in his favor, which, as a general rule, hasn’t been the case with previous Idol winners. As with pretty much all of the previous contestants, the farther removed he gets from having been on Idol will be the true test of whether he can sustain this level of success or not. Right now, it looks like he will have a good chance of doing so. But if this style of music falls out of favor, or if his album sales do turn out to be mostly from the AI fanbase, things could change in a big hurry. If the history of past Idols has shown anything, it’s that nothing is certain when it comes to predicting how the contestants will do in the long run.

    I wish him luck going forward with his career. Hopefully he will end up having a long one, even if he never comes close to repeating the type of success he’s currently enjoying.

  • TheOther

    If Lee had been given “Home” as his coronation song, it would have fit pretty neatly into his wheelhouse

    Lee would have needed Back To The Future since Home wasn’t written until earlier this year. I also believe certain songs are meant for certain performers. Before He Cheats certainly fits with girl power type of songs that Kelly Clarkson is known for. But that song was meant for Carrie Underwood.

  • Pippygirl

    On the one hand, I don’t want to minimize Phillip’s success or the role
    his talent and appeal has had in it, because that’s not fair to him. But
    on the other hand, he has had pretty much everything go in his favor,
    which, as a general rule, hasn’t been the case with previous Idol
    winners.

    ITA. Since I am a known Kris fan, I won’t go into the many ways his career has been mismanaged ;). However I am not a fan of Lee (though I like some of his post Idol work) and to think he had a chance of achieving what PP has is laughable. In my opinion that doesn’t mean Lee isn’t as talented or isn’t as capable as connecting with people as PP. It just means he isn’t as lucky (understatement of 2012).

    ETA: If I had a dollar every time someone on an Idol board swore that their snowflake has tons of male fans I could take a very nice vacation. In my opinion the number of fans means a lot more than their age or gender. I saw Kris in NY and there were plenty of guys at that show. I saw Kelly Clarkson this year and there were about 80 % women. Who is doing better with their career?

  • TheOther

    he has had pretty much everything go in his favor, which, as a general rule, hasn’t been the case with previous Idol winners.

    That can also be said about Scotty, Jordin, Carrie, Fantasia, Kelly.  Ruben was also a very popular winner at the time, so was David Cook.

  • girlygirltoo

    Well obviously the song wasn’t written in time to be given to Lee. But my point still remains that Lee was the first Idol winner who was an folk/alt rock artist, not P2.

    Before He Cheats is a country song. The lyrics don’t really fit any other genre other than a country pop song, so it wouldn’t have fit Kelly’s style (until recently, anyway). I could see Miranda Lambert or Gretchen Wilson or someone like that having had success with it, though.  Home was originally performed by Greg Holden, so why wouldn’t it have been “meant” for him, rather than for Phillip? For all we know, there could be people out there who prefer Greg Holden’s version.

    TBH, I’m not a big believer in songs being “meant” for one person. Yes, there are  versions of songs that are considered the “definitive” version, but in many cases, those  versions aren’t actually by the original artist. For example, “Hound Dog” (Elvis Presley) and “Ball and Chain” (Janis Joplin) were both originally recorded by a great blues artist by the name of Big Mama Thornton. Some people might claim that those songs were “meant” for her, rather than for Elvis or Joplin. I think that a great song is a great song and could be “meant for” and/or be turned into a hit by any number of artists if it fits their style, or if they can flip it around to make it fit their style. 

    Besides, if songs were only “meant” for one person, karaoke bars and reality singing competition shows wouldn’t exist. ;)

  • LongKissGoodnight

    windmills: I thought P2’s comment came off disrespectful to Drew Pearson and Greg Holden and their work. They are artists too, and much further along in their development than P2 is. I’m somebody who’s all about songwriters getting more attention and credit so the tone of his comment really rubbed me the wrong way. But, I believe he’s come around to really valuing their song and what they did for him.I am actually all the way with you on the songwriters deserve respect bandwagon. I just have not read a statement from an exhausted guy who just got denied an opportunity to showcase his artistic vision with his own creation as a shade throwing exercise.

    As a matter of fact, there is Phillip’s original statement to MTV on the red carpet leading up to the Idol finale:

    I wanted to do my own stuff, but we only had a certain amount of time to do everything, so I had to do that one, and it’s a really good song,” he said. “The writers are really good. It’s not really something I would write, so I’m excited to get my own stuff out there.”
    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1685717/american-idol-phillip-phillips-home.jhtml

    I don’t know how we got in Idol bubble from the “really good song, the writers are really good” to disrespected/failed to recognize potential and all that jazz.

    It just feels like his original sentiment “this is not my thing, I’d like to be represented by my thing” was bounced and reinterpreted throw distorting mirrors of other peoples perspectives so many times it got twisted into something it was never meant to be.

    Anyway, all is well that ends well.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “As with pretty much all of the previous contestants, the farther removed he gets from having been on Idol will be the true test of whether he can sustain this level of success or not. Right now, it looks like he will have a good chance of doing so. But if this style of music falls out of favor, or if his album sales do turn out to be mostly from the AI fanbase, things could change in a big hurry. If the history of past Idols has shown anything, it’s that nothing is certain when it comes to predicting how the contestants will do in the long run.”

    That about sums it up when it comes to Idols. It’s far too early to predict anything with any probability or sense of certainty when it comes to how P2’s post-Idol career will develop. He’s off to a great commercial start,  but so have a lot of other Idols who haven’t done so well further down the line. Time will tell.

  • girlygirltoo

    No, it’s more than just being a popular winner. He had his song used on the Olympics. He had his song used in multiple commercials and in a movie trailer. He has gotten promoted to high heaven by his label and was allowed to make the album he wanted to make, rather than be pushed into a genre that didn’t fit him.

    Add it all together and he has had far more go in his favor than most of the previous Idol winners. Really, the only thing that didn’t go well for him was his issues with his health. And luckily, he seems to have put those issues behind him.

  • parsenip

    It’s not at all inconceivable that people are buying The World From The Side Of The Moon because they like Phil’s music and not because of Home.

    I listened to snippets from his CD and a couple performance videos featuring stuff he’s written since I listen pretty much exclusively to AAA music (and classical) and figured I’d give him a shot.  For me, there’s a significant difference in quality between the stuff written for him and the stuff he’s written.  As in, I don’t think his work is either distinctive or memorable.  He got very, very lucky with Home IMO.

    P2 is the first WGWG Idol winner that’s popular with 20-something MALE fans.

    That’s not true or at least someone has to inform all the guys I see at Kris Allen concerts.  What’s more important to a male winner is attracting a predominantly young audience.  Kris was also the first one to do that.   

  • elliegrll

    Actually any new fans of any age or gender are good. They keep the career alive when IDol fame dies.

    This is what’s important, not the gender of the fans.  And it’s the failure  to gain these new fants that has stalled the careers of quite a few idol alums.  

    It takes time to build up a fanbase outside of the idol bubble, so it’s too soon to say what Phillip has or hasn’t done.  Most people aren’t going to become fans after hearing just one song, they might be fans of the song, but it’s going to take more to make them fans of the artist.  At this point it’s about management doing all that they can to connect Phillip to the song, so people can become familiar with him, and the label releasing another song(s) that the people who like Home will like.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t know how we can prove who has more male or younger fans.   I’d say that Kelly has definitely proven that she connected with younger music buyers.

    I would agree that the alums need to figure out how to reach a younger music buying audience.  The core group of AI viewers may be middle aged women, but outside of the AI bubble, this age group isn’t as open as the younger demos to buying new music from new artists, especially when those artists are coming off of a reality show.  

  • iani

    The core group of AI viewers may be middle aged women, but outside of the AI bubble, this age group isn’t as open as the younger demos to buying new music from new artists, especially when those artists are coming off of a reality show.

    This is the problem with AI artists after the show, to reach the snobbish audience, PDs, or to penetrate through the inflexible rock, folk, jazz genres. For TPTB is easier to ask for a specific HAC format album and send the idols directly to HAC, the neutral format even though their style are rock, folk or others in order to get some air-plays. The truth is, IMO, many haven’t have the material to really reach those goals but stay on HAC for good and get no defined style or own sound but get mixed in bland, non-distinctive one.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    PP’s genre hasn’t been established at this point. At the current time, his genre is HAC/Pop/AAA, that is the order his first single moved up on those radio charts. This next single will go to HAC and CHR stations, as well as AAA stations.  

    So far, P2 hasn’t had a single, that he has even co-written on, go to any radio format. The large majority of AAA artists write their own songs. The large majority of AAA artists start out on Triple A stations and crossover to other formats. PP doesn’t have either of these things in common with the majority of new or established Triple A artists.

      

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    If I had a dollar every time someone on an Idol board swore that their snowflake has tons of male fans I could take a very nice vacation. In my opinion the number of fans means a lot more than their age or gender. I saw Kris in NY and there were plenty of guys at that show. I saw Kelly Clarkson this year and there were about 80 % women. Who is doing better with their career?

    ^^^THIS!
    I saw Katy Perry on her last tour and her audience was way more female than 80%. I’m still not clear on why younger males are the desirable demographic as fans or as attendees at concerts. Katy Perry and Kelly Clarkson seem to be doing just fine with their many multi-platinum worldwide hits, platinum albums, sold out shows and Grammy nominations/awards. The female fans aren’t hurting their careers in any way.

  • girlygirltoo

    There are various ways to try and gauge the age range and gender split of an artist’s fanbase, but none of them will likely give a definitive answer.

    For example, many artists have email lists. When someone signs up for that list, the artist can ask for the age and gender of the person.

    On Facebook, many people list their age and gender. You can go into the artist’s “likes” and look those people up to see if they list their gender and/or age.

    At concerts, you can have the ticket takers note the gender and (at 21+ gigs where you generally have to show proof of age to get in) age of the ticket holder.

    A lot of people on twitter will note their gender (not usually their age). The BNS site will have this info for any artist they track, or the artist can someone on his/her team go through the artist’s followers and check for this info.

    All of these methods are time consuming, and, as I say, wouldn’t likely be totally accurate, although it would be more accurate than some random fan tweeting/posting that at the show they went to, it looked like 80 percent of the crowd were women over the age of 35 (or some such unscientific guessestimate like that)

  • tucker davis

    Not sure where to post this, but could someone answer this question & settle an argument?
    Did Phillip miss any of the Idol tour concerts this past summer? (for that matter, did any of the top 10 miss any of the summer concerts?

  • suenigma

    “That’s not true or at least someone has to inform all the guys I see at
    Kris Allen concerts.  What’s more important to a male winner
    is attracting a predominantly young audience.  Kris was also the first
    one to do that.”

    Hmmmm, that’s a pretty definitive statement. I like Kris well enough, but I’m not convinced by subjective, anecdotal fan accounts that his audience is any younger, more male, hipper, etc. than any other Idol’s audience. What is your basis for assuming this?

  • irockhard

    I agree that attracting a young audience is key, so that your fanbase can grow up with your music.

  • sdmama

    Carrie has no single hit that she wrote, as I understand. Does not seem to matter. I never paid any attention to who wrote or co-wrote a song until I started to look at this blog site etc. I think most of the buyers of songs like songs, or the singer, or style of songs singers release, and pay little attention to who actually wrote the words/melody for it. It is like looking at nutritional information on the food: only minority will examine that to decide if they like it or not.  I am not sure if AAA PD cares if listeners do not, and the success of Home on AAA seem to indicate that it does not matter who sings it as far as the song was written by AAA writers. And they need a ‘face’/’voice’ to sell them.

  • Karen C

    PP’s genre hasn’t been established at this point. At the current time, his genre is HAC/Pop/AAA, that is the order his first single moved up on those radio charts. This next single will go to HAC and CHR stations, as well as AAA stations.

    Even if he isn’t quite established, it is a step in the right direction that he is charting in a format that does fit his kind of music.  I do wish they were releasing a song he cowrote on, though.

  • elliegrll

    The two main problems with most of the things that you listed is that there is no way to verify this information, AI fans do have a habit of making up multiple twitter accounts and giving some of them male names in an effort to  “help” their special snowflake.  In these cases, I think that the actual sales speak volumes.  

    The second problem, most fans aren’t going to follow an artist on twitter, facebook, their fan club, etc.  

  • Karen C

    I’m still not clear on why younger males are the desirable demographic as fans or as attendees at concerts.

    I don’t think it’s that this demographic is more desired, I think it shows more broad appeal if an artist has both male and female fans, and also that an artist is reaching an audience that is less representative of the normal Idol audience.

  • http://twitter.com/dy7764 dy

    Personally, I’ve got quite a few male friends in the Kris Allen fandom. There’s many males currently being added to the twitter lists for Kris’ upcoming tour, and while yes, his shows I’ve gone to have had mostly female audiences, there’s been males there too, and in the age range  cited. Even at the one David Cook show I’ve gone to, have seen guys there (although they were older & possibly with their wives). 

    Not to take anything away from P2’s sales success, as it’s impressive. I think in general guys do appreciate other guys who can play their instruments and bring that alt-rock sensibility into the music.

  • sdmama

    Nobody was thinking about getting new songs for top 3 of Season 9, apparently. Homes not WRITTEN for Phillip. There are a lot of song writers who are looking for a vehicle to sell their songs in addition to singing it themselves, so they submitted them to Jimmy, or Jimmy probably cast a net and asked for submissions.  We will see if anybody can come up with a good song for top 3 this season, to propel the winner’s career or not. 
     And considering that the performance Phillip did on the finale or Top 2 caught the eye (or ear) or Olympics game coverage producer, and the rest is history, that kind of exposure is possible only twice a year. This year, I am looking forward to the new coronation song and see what happens to the winner with it.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Carrie has no single hit that she wrote, as I understand.

    Ah, but your facts are, in this case, wrong. Check out the lead single on her second album, which was #1 on the country chart. She’s a cowriter.

    Same goes for the second single on that same album: #1 country, CU as cowriter.

    And the third single:  #1 country, CU as cowriter. That accounts for three of the four tracks she wrote on that album.

    I didn’t check to see if there are more from subsequent albums.

  • irockhard

    Er both Kelly and Katy’s music appeals more to young women than to young men, so of course their fans will be mostly female. The guys are usually into rock or rap, so Idols working in those genres would like to attract young male fans. Problem is piracy is rampant in that demo, though they will attend concerts and buy merch.

  • suenigma

    At a concert of 100-200 people that Kris might have, there is simply going to be less prototypical, attention getting, front-row hogging, middle-aged, costume wearing, sign-waving uber-fans (typically women, let’s be honest) than at a concert of 1000 -2000 people that Adam might sell-out. This is simple mathematics. Although this overt front row crowd might make a bigger impressions at an Adam concert, and color perceptions of his overall audience, it doesn’t mean that the demographics are substantially different, or that the ratio of male to female, young to old, is any different. And even if it were, 50 young, male fans at a small concert is still less than 200 young, male fans at larger concert, regardless of percentages?

    There are lots of other mitigating factors at play also – venue, city, country, day of week, cost of concert, etc. If you look at the footage of the audience at Cook’s recent concert in Singapore the ratio of young males was pretty startling, ditto his early college shows, or his last big New York show, but trust me, I am not going to make the claim that he has the corner on the young, male audience. LOL.

    I am not trying to be disrespectful to Kris. I just hate this my Idol’s audience is better than your Idol’s audience stuff. In my opinion, a fan is a fan is a fan, and a sale is a sale is a sale.

  • Anny_nanny

    I don’t understand what the dispute. Was Phillip first folk/alt-rocker-winner? Not. He was not a folk-rocker at all, until he received the “Home” from proud own ingenuity Jimmy. Period.
    Yes, Lee is the only folk-rocker among our wgwgs. He was BEFORE the show and is now. What was at AI and immediately afterwards I prefer to forget. He would be ??????? get “Home”, but I’m not sure that he would help – then was not only Olympics, but Lee is not Phillip, and at the time of folk was not in the favor, if I remember correctly.

    The power of Phillip not only in the fact that he was able to take and sell your single, he was able to save themselves at the same time. Album is proof of that. And he not scare away all the fans who have received during the show – Yes, I was among those who didn’t like and don’t like “Home”, to me this sound is not interesting. But I am grateful to Phillip for the fact that he “is Phillip”, and to Jimmy, for the fact that his experience and wisdom enough for it to not to break neck of Phillip in the race for the popular, and be able to find a decent balance.

  • windmills

    sdmama: Carrie has no single hit that she wrote, as I understand.

    Huh? Carrie has cowritten the following #1 country hits: So Small, All American Girl, Last Name, Cowboy Casanova, Temporary Home, Undo It, and Good Girl, as well as the #2 country hit Mama’s Song. She is currently t20 country with another cowrite: Two Black Cadillacs. To this point she’s released 16 solo singles to country radio and cowritten 9 of them.

    You’re way off base unless you were limiting yourself to songs where Carrie is the only writer.

    LongKissGoodnight: I don’t know how we got in Idol bubble from the “really good song, the
    writers are really good” to disrespected/failed to recognize potential
    and all that jazz.

    Probably from this:

    “The song that I did tonight that supposedly is my single, it’s not really my single, I told them it’s not my single.”

    There’s more in the video, which makes clear P2 himself introduced the idea of Home not really being his single without any prompting from his interviewer Didi Benami. Shirley Halperin offscreen tried to save him by asking him if he appreciated the fan response since some were saying that song won the season for him, and I thought P2’s response (paraphrased: that’s nice if some people think that and it’s a great song but I’m ready to do my own thing) didn’t make him look that great. Yes I know P2 threw in a couple “it’s a great song/it’s a very good song”s in there but at that time they came off to me like him trying to be politic while really emphasizing his own work. So, they didn’t pass the smell test for me as far as being sufficiently respectful of what Drew Pearson and Greg Holden had done with Home. Bygones since he’s learned his lesson but, twas not P2’s finest moment ;)

    Anny_nanny: Daughtry is still Nickelback-lite, 6 years passed. And three albums.

    OK? First off, Nickelback isn’t original at what Nickelback does. More importantly, why is Daughtry’s lack of originality supposed to make me feel better about P2’s lack of originality?

    If it makes you feel any better, I have 2 special snowflakes in the Idol world plus a bunch of others I root for, and out of that whole bunch, the only person I’d really describe as a fully formed artist whose identity has been on display on an album is not 1 of my 2 snowflakes (who are 10 and 7 years into their respective careers) but Crystal Bowersox. My main point was that moving into the world of being a signed recording artist is a huge opportunity for artistic growth and I like seeing people who are gracious about that while maintaining a core commitment to their identity. In initial comments P2 didn’t seem like he was but he learned fast so, bygones.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    That still doesn’t make that particular demographic (young males) anymore important than any other demographic. Female fans attend concerts and buy merchandise, as well. They also buy singles and albums.

  • Karen C

    don’t understand what the dispute. Was Phillip first folk/alt-rocker-winner? Not. He was not a folk-rocker at all, until he received the “Home” from proud own ingenuity Jimmy. Period.Yes, Lee is the only folk-rocker among our wgwgs. He was BEFORE the show and is now. What was at AI and immediately afterwards I prefer to forget. He would be ??????? get “Home”, but I’m not sure that he would help – then was not only Olympics, but Lee is not Phillip, and at the time of folk was not in the favor, if I remember correctly.

    I’ve thought this for a while, and Home is actually a better fit for Lee’s original music than it is for Phillip, both preidol and for his new music too. He is much more in the folk rock category than Phillip is.   I think the difference is, again, that RCA tried to push Lee to be more pop.

    I do think it would have somewhat helped Lee if he had gotten Home as his single, especially if it did well.  Maybe it wouldn’t have done as well as it had for Phillip, maybe, again, the timing was different, but it still would have been a good song for him, and perhaps have done more for him than it will for Phillip being that it is more in his genre.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Carrie has no single hit that she wrote

    Wrong, she has many hit songs where she has songwriting credits.

    The majority of AAA artists write their own songs. The majority of songs sent to AAA are at least co-written by the artists who are singing them.  

  • elliegrll

    That still doesn’t make that particular demographic (young males) anymore important than any other demographic. Female fans attend concerts and buy merchandise, as well. They also buy singles and albums.

    I think it’s more about the young male demo giving the impression that an artist has managed to expand his base beyond the AI bubble.  Of course this isn’t always the case, and there are better ways of telling if an artist has built up a fanbase based on his or her music.   Even if I like an AI alum, I can’t get behind an argument about how they have so many male or younger fans, when the evidence clearly shows that they haven’t managed to build up or sustain a solid fanbase.

  • Anny_nanny

    I agree absolutely, Lee could have a “moment” with this song. But I don’t think that he has a problem in songs, he himself is one big problem, and it cannot be changed, unfortunately. And he was absolutely still as “kill”.
    He should not to win, I think it destroyed his karma forever.

  • Karen C

    It can’t be compared, because Lee  didn’t have an original song as his coronation song. 

    What didn’t help him was all the negativity after that season, and people comparing record sales of previous idols.

  • Anny_nanny

    I do not compare with Lee, and no one ever. It’s not fair to him in the first place. But with time S9 have passed two years, Lee can’t look back all his life.

  • parsenip

    I went to his concert at The Mint.  It was a diverse crowd.  There were lots of guys and younger people were the majority.  Maybe next concert I could take a statistically significant sample, run a regression analysis, and see if I can come up with something more definitive for you suenigma.

  • wkstrack

    Has anyone heard of Antsmarching? It’s a DMB fan site where DM fans talk about……well Dave Matthews lol Anyways, I thought this was interesting. A poster at Ants claimed that they went to the Idol finale and ran into Phillip’ parents. The poster claimed that they talked to Phillip’ mom and dad and they said that PP’ didn’t like the song he had to sing for the finale and he  was hoping/wanting to do his own song. Again, it’s just a post on a message board.

    He’s actually getting some love from the Dave Matthews fans. Some. There are still a lot of them that don’t like Phillip. I think PP does want a desired fan base. And that fan base is what Dave Matthews has. Diverse.

  • suenigma

    You miss my point. I heard the very same thing about David’s concert at Irving Plaza, New York – tons of 20-something males. Same with San Diego, and Chicago. But those are isolated incidents, and not necessarily a true representation of his total fanbase, any more than the concert you attended at the Mint. Hopeful signs for both singers though.

    I’m not saying Kris doesn’t have a diverse, or diversifying fanbase, but I don’t really think you have enough evidence to state definitively that Kris is the first male Idol to have a significant young, male fanbase. That is all I’m saying.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “The poster claimed that they talked to Phillip’ mom and dad and they said that PP’ didn’t like the song he had to sing for the finale and he  was hoping/wanting to do his own song. Again, it’s just a post on a message board.”

    That’s been verified by P2 himself who admitted the he was trying to get the label to allow him to have “Drive Me” (his and Ben Neill’s co-write on Moon) rather than Home as his first single. Lucky for P2 that Interscope didn’t give in to P2’s wishes. lol

  • jpfan2

    I hate picking on Lee but no way is Home a smash as his single. Lee just never had “it” while P2 does. Hooray that Lee’s the first alt winner of IDOL. Good to know if there’s an Idol trivia game but then what.

    Usually if an Idol had a smash fans would be predicting superstar futurre. But not P2. So he is fun to follow. The good news is that some DMB fans dig him. For someone off Idol that’s a big win.

    I really want P2 to continue to do well because he needs to reverse the dire fates of other male WMWG.

  • Pippygirl

    So Home became a hit due to P2’s electrifying personality, lol? Or maybe it’s his incredible vocals-never mind that a great deal of the song is instrumental.
    I think Lee would have done just fine with it.

    I can’t believe I’m championing Lee Dewyze. *walks away shaking her head*

  • Karen C

    Hooray that Lee’s the first alt winner of IDOL.

    Actually, David Cook was the first alt rock winner.  Lee was the first folk alt rock winner.  

  • getaway1

    The finale was over 7 mos ago. In as far as Phil’s initial reactions to Home, there is no new information that hasn’t already been discussed and discussed and discussed. At some point, he should be allowed to move on.  What’s more important is at how much Phil as grown and evolved – with experience and time.

    What’s really unforunate is that comments he has made about Home and how it has touched people’s lives, especially with Hurricane Sandy never gets the attention it deserves.

  • suenigma

     “I really want P2 to continue to do well because he needs to reverse the dire fates of other male WMWG.”

    I wouldn’t go that far. Heh. They all achieved something of note, and they all seem to be pretty happy and at least making a living at their craft, as far as I can tell. And Scotty’s not down for the count just yet. lol. But I know what you’re saying. I hope that he has a lengthier period in the spotlight than the other guys had, and get’s more industry and media recognition, that’s for sure. Oh, and to be fair, Kris and DC did release not one, but two, major label albums, which is a significant accomplishment in my books, even if their second albums were not as successful as their first. I suspect P2 will consider himself fortunate if he sells as many albums as Cook did with his first, and if he remains on the Billboard 200 for almost a year also. Just saying.

  • jpfan2

    Money talks as they say. I think P2 has charisma and he also has the biggest single by a male Idol ever. Obviously if you hated the guy on Idol and still hate him this will seem a mystery or a travesty. :)

  • wordnerdarchie

    I can’t believe I’m championing Lee Dewyze. *walks away shaking her head*

    *giggles*

    But seriously, I’ve heard Lee’s pre-Idol stuff and some of his post RCA stuff, and it is really quite good, and fits right in with the stuff on Alternative right now.  (And I’ve never been a Lee supporter, either – since my nose was pushed out of joint by RCA when they bragged how Lee was the first Idol winner that had majority of co-writes/solo writes on his debut CD, or something to that effect, lol.)

  • justmefornow

    Interesting discussion. My two cents: 
    Having “IT” is very subjective. I myself didn’t watch Season 9, don’t really know Lee, but IMO, P2 doesn’t have “IT” either. He’s certainly pleasant enough, but I find him rather ordinary and kinda of boring, actually – (see, very subjective.)
    I think it’s great his success so far, but bottom line, IMO, the song “Home” is selling him, not him selling the song. That’s not to say he won’t go on to have another killer single, who knows, he could, I wish him well.

    And as for some Dave Matthews’ fans liking him, that’s great, he needs to expand his fan base beyond Idol, just like all of them.

    But lots of metal fans like James now too, so what, does that mean they will buy his next CD? 
    I guess we shall see.

  • quickjessie

     Great post.  I feel the same way.

    Wasn’t a fan of his on the show and still am not.  Wouldn’t take an album for free.

    However, Home is a very good song that was given more exposure than any radio blitz could have done.  And it was picked for the Olympics because it’s a great song, not because P2 sang it, lol.

    Home is the real winner here and P2 got lucky enough to go along for the ride.  If he’s pulled in fans of his “style”, well good for him. 

  • wkstrack

    This is a couple of  quotes from the  Ants poster that was at the finale and talked to his parents:

    “I ended up having a 5 minute conversation with PP’s parents..PP sang a Jonny Lang song during “Songs From Your Idol” week. According to his mom, they forced him to play that song because proceeds were needed that week for Jonny Lang. I have no doubts that stories like this are a dime a dozen.”

    “Mrs.Phillips continued on to tell me that the producer(s) forced Jessica and Phillip to sing the single that was chosen for them, and they both disliked their songs. He didn’t want to sing Home….. The producers gave Phillip a good song, and applauded him for it. I then thought back to how I noticed the producer popping out of nowhere to talk to the judges before the last commercial break. We’ll never know what exactly went on, but it sure got me thinking”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    “I really want P2 to continue to do well because he needs to reverse the dire fates of other male WMWG.”

    Well, sticking to only WGWG winners in all fairness David Cook had a very successful 1st era. 1.5 million albums WW and 4 million singles sold and 2 hit songs which counts him out as a one hit wonder. Sold out headline tour and correct me if I’m wrong broke several billboard records himself. Kris had a much less successful era but still sold almost 2 million singles and a top 10 pop hit.  I never count Lee in comparing him to other Idol winners because he never had a fair deal to begin with. Had Lee got Home as a single and label support he would have made that song a hit too. He’s probably the only WGWG who could have because the song fits more in his wheelhouse and he’s a better singer. The jury is still out on Scotty. I also think Interscope has something to prove by doing everything to make sure Idol winners are successful which is a labels job anyway. My theory still stands that there has always been agreement with labels and PDs with regards to Idols debut albums to help them do well but 2nd era PDs don’t feel the need or obligation to do so. I’m not shock that Philip is doing well at all but I would suggest to Phillip fans to hold their horses until second album era before they declare him the next Daughtry.

    but bottom line, IMO, the song “Home” is selling him, not him selling the song.

    THIS!

  • maymay

    Jonny Lang is PP`s favorite. They both have real connect on twitter. I think PP loved to sing his song.

  • roarpen

    I’m not a big P2 fan, but I think Home is a great song. My sons, age 22 and 17, hate Idol. I usually have an Idol that I like every year and they, without fail, HATE that Idol and every other Idol they have ever heard. But, my 22-year-old son, who is a musician, happened to be in the room when P2 sang Home for the first time on Idol. He looked at me and said, “that is really good.” I was shocked and asked, “really?” He replied, “Yeah, that is a really good song, I would download that. He is good.”
     Later, my younger son admitted to me that he downloaded Home and has used it for various video projects. To my great amazement and shock he said that he really liked the song and he thought P2 was good. It’s amazing to me that as much as they have hated Idol all these years, when they heard a song they liked, no problem – it’s on their ipods. It’s like P2 is teflon when it comes to all of the Idol hate.

  • Anny_nanny

    1. Even if Phillip hold at the top of the BB200 a whole year, he learns about it only if MJ take the trouble to tell him at the meeting. But, I’m afraid, he will forget it quickly.

    2. I’d like to leave the DMB and Lang. I don’t think that Phillip honors Jonny more David, I have the impression that David confused his. LOL

    3. I am happy that Lee finally avenged and is not considered to be “the worst in history.” I think, the same thing felt Taylor when Lee won his season. But Mr. Phillips did not know about all of this as well.

    4. I propose a toast to such a successful year and for the fact that AI has found its Forrest Gump.

    5. Yes, I’m happy, that any failure Phillip turn pleasant moments for others – Josh had a small promo after the show, which usually does not happen with 3rd-place. Even Tate received performance on TV. It’s live and let others.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    1. Even if Phillip hold at the top of the BB200 a whole year, he learns
    about it only if MJ take the trouble to tell him at the meeting…

    LOL
    So true!)))

  • maymay

    Love, hate, anger, joy, high, low, blessing, curse….it is just like a soap opera about PP and Home. Do any singer and his song have the same drama like PP and Home? The whole story should be written to become TV show, and the title is Take Home Phillip.

  • roarpen

    “Do any singer and his song have the same drama like PP and Home? The
    whole story should be written to become TV show, and the title is Take
    Home Phillip.”

    Ummm…actually yeah. I would say the responses to Phil are overall very mild when compared to past Idol years. I’m pretty sure most long-time posters here would agree. Compared to other seasons, notably Daughtry/Kat/Taylor and Adam/Kris, there is very little interest in P2. But, I do think that the continuing success of Home has kept a spotlight on him.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     I love seeing how high and far Home and Philip can go… I’m not a fan of PP’s music, but the marketing and promo push behind him by Jimmy I and Interscope has been nothing short of brilliant. Makes RCA and Jive and everyone pre-Jimmy and Interscope look like amateurs. I want them to do it again with the 2013 Idol winner – this has me as stoked as watching the competition… what will Jimmy and Co pull out of their hats in 2013? :)

  • irockhard

    P2: I agree that it’s the song that’s selling him. Home is a good, catchy and very current sounding song. See what roarpen said about her son liking P2 because he likes Home.

    James: Yes lots of metal fans like James but not because of MOABD. When Ultimate Guitar reviewed MOABD they said the only good thing about it is “the golden pipes of James Durbin”. Hippie Heather Girl at Blinded by Sound gave MOABD a very negative review, and complained about how his voice was altered in some of the songs but admitted she still loved him because of his voice.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    S11 and the discussion/interest surrounding P2 is far down the list of “drama” when it comes to AI. S2 (Ruben/Clay), S5 (Taylor/Kat/Daughtry) and S8 (Adam/Kris) far exceed S11 and P2 in fan wars and controversy. P2 and S11 are very boring by comparison.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    To be fair to all of the contestants, I don’t think that any of them like to be “forced” to sing a particular song, and P2 was no different. I also think that he was so focused on being able to sing and record his OWN music, that it made him less open to accepting any songs that weren’t his own, perhaps a bit closeminded. All this is totally understandable, but P2 did not handle the situation well in his public statements.

    I don’t know if the commercial success of Home changed his mind about the song (and I don’t think that we’ll ever know), but now that GGG (another song written by others) has been chosen as his next single, P2 (at least publicly) seems to be expressing his support of the song in a much more positive manner (even if it’s spin). He’s learning. lol

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Home is the real winner here and P2 got lucky enough to go along for the ride.  If he’s pulled in fans of his “style”, well good for him. ”

    I agree. Thing is, P2’s own songs aren’t like Home (or even GGG) in that they aren’t very melodic or catchy (=hummable), so it remains to be seen if there’s too much of a disconnect between Home/GGG and P2’s own songs that will prevent fans from liking his own music.

  • Anny_nanny

    In those seasons was who and with whom to fight. Now here is Phillip and burned the steppe around. And on the other end of the scale there are stolid fans Phillip (me) and very vocal rest of the contestants. I expect the emergence of choirs everywhere as soon as the album release Jessica’s. And a short yelp when release Colton. But I’ll wage war with them will not, laziness to me.

  • girlygirltoo

    I asked the Entertainment Weekly reporter who reviewed Phillip’s album whether he thought it would hurt P2 having 2 straight singles that were not written by him, since he is being marketed as a singer/songwriter in the AAA genre. I thought his response was interesting — he said it probably wouldn’t hurt him that much, as AAA radio is becoming more pop oriented, so the artists are not necessarily expected to write all their own stuff. He said it would have hurt Phillip more if his music had been released  a few years earlier.

  • Karen C

    AAA radio is becoming more pop oriented, so the artists are not necessarily expected to write all their own stuff. He said it would have hurt Phillip more if his music had been released a few years earlier.

    That’s very interesting.  Maybe that is also why AAA was also more accepting of someone from Idol than they were in the past also.   It also means that Home and the album came out at just the right time. 

    As for not releasing songs Phillip wrote, it might affect the second album more, if it is more his own sound.  I hope they release a third single he did write while the album is still popular. 

  • http://twitter.com/lucy__luz Luz Mae Salvador

    Congrats PP!!!  i love gone gone gone too!! it would be a great 2nd single!

    haters?? hello?? u there?  lol 

  • marcoUpstate

    I’ve seen that Home sold over 3million units but haven’t seen where it was triple platinum.  Has that actually happened yet?

  • mjsbigblog

     If it had happened, I would have used the word “certified” and mentioned the RIAA. So the answer is clearly no.

  • fantoo1

    Happy that he has proven a ton of haters wrong :)

  • fantoo1

    At first there was a lot of negative controversy over PP being another WGWG winner and a lot of people even said they were never watching again if he won.

  • TheOther

    The record buying public must be happy with what they are hearing.  The World From The Side Of The Moon is now #13 on Itunes.  It was only 25K away from Gold in the U.S. with the last set of sales numbers. 

  • IrisandLilies

    Phillip listed a Jonny Lang song as one of the five songs that should be on everybody’s iPod and has stated in several interviews that Jonny Lang is his favorite singer.  However, I did read somewhere that Phillip wanted to perform “Old Love” by Eric Clapton on AI but wasn’t allowed to, either because the song couldn’t be cleared or the producers nixed the song choice.  “Still Rainin'” by Jonny Lang may have been the backup choice.

  • ADRIANAARG1980

    @Phillips The World From The Side Of The Moon is moving back up at #3 iTunes Album Top 100 Chart & #1 iTunes Pop Chart

  • jpfan2

    I wonder why the album is moving up so quickly. Maybe the Idol promo kicking in….scratches head.

  • maymay

    Because PP`s standard album price is 6.99 on iTunes now. Mumford and Son is also 6.99 to reach #1.

  • http://twitter.com/JoMartinezMusic Joe Martinez

    Congrats to Phillip for an amazing hit. I really hope he doesn’t become a one-hit wonder

  • marcoUpstate

    Thanks for the clarification!  There were some posts that offered comparisons to other platinum albums that confused me.