During last night’s Idol results show recap critique, mentor, Jimmy Iovine had an unusually harsh critique of Phil Phillips’ 80′s week performance.  Jimmy felt the Genesis tune was a safe tune, and that basically, with everyone blowing smoke up his butt, Phil could be getting complacent.

“Right now, what Philip needs, is to be pushed so he an go out and be the best version of himself that he can be,” said Jimmy, “If he stands still, there’s a very good possibility that other contestants will come up and pass him.”

When Ryan asked Phil what he thought about Jimmy’s critique, the finalist bristled a bit. He said he can only be himself and that he’s not the kind of person to walk around the stage and touch people’s hands.

Was Phil being arrogant? Some Idol fans think so. He apologized on his Facebook page this morning:

thank you to everyone who supports me and voted this week! i appreciate it very much…i heard that some people took my comment the wrong way but i thought jimmy said if i dont move around i would get passed and all i was meaning that im not the artist who runs around stage touching peoples hands and sings to them, thats just not me so im sorry to who ever my have taken it the wrong way bc i wouldnt even be here without you guys voting haha thank you again!

Ha ha. I thought Phil’s answer was kind of strange. He thought that Jimmy was talking literally about him and the other contestants moving around the stage. It’s  called “metaphor” Phil! Look it up on Wikipedia! Heh.

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  • Anonymous

    VOTE HIM OFF!!!! lol. joking:)

  • http://twitter.com/blkeener Brittany Keener

    I imagine in the heat of the moment, you take it face value (like Elise mumbling on and on…) But that’s the least of his concern…the eonline audience reporter had not so great things to say about his vibe last night: 

    “Phillip Phillips’ attitude on the couch seemed nothing short of bored, as he slouched, drummed his fingers together and smacked on gum, barely giving the audience any love when cameras weren’t rolling. While we had to laugh a little when he called Ryan “Dude” and admire him for staying true to himself, he was definitely giving off a vibe of indifference to being in the competition.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QPQ3BY4QAQ2WBIG3EP4JBX2LHY SamC

    i think a lot of ppl have been ragging on him to move around so when he heard jimmy say “standing still” he automatically thought he meant physically. He has said in interviews he doesn’t think he is a good singer, so i never suspected he thought he was better than the show.

  • Anonymous

    LOLz.  This is hilarious.  He obviously doesn’t know what “complacency” means either, as that’s what Ryan asked him about.

  • callmecrazy

    Don’t apologize Phillip…just excuse yourself from the show and all will be well with the idol world again.

  • http://twitter.com/GashleyT PunkSkittle

    All I envision is him responding to his adoring fans with some pseudo-Phil Collins lyrics, “If I saw you were reaching, I would not touch your hand.”

  • http://twitter.com/thecinel Cindi

    Again….it is pretty obvious that he hasn’t been feeling well. I’d like to see that reporter sit there and put on a happy face for an hour when she’s feeling like shit.

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone posted this link yet.  It is Bruce Springsteen speaking at SXSW.  It is very interesting, insightful and could be helpful to the contestants.  I think the readers here would enjoy it as well.
    http://www.npr.org/2012/03/16/148778665/bruce-springsteens-sxsw-2012-keynote-speech

  • Anonymous

    Poor Phil hasn’t learned how to play the game like Colton or Jessica, for example.  (Who many viewers apparently can see right through and are turned off by their fake sincerity).  I don’t think Phil is indifferent to being in the competition at all, I just think he is unaware.

  • larc

    There’s a lot about P2 that says arrogant, IMO.  He’s not the center of the universe.  If he doesn’t care enough to make a real effort to entertain his audience, then the sooner he’s gone the better.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed about the attitude.  I say he is being given a HUGE free pass.  Heejun was lambasted for not taking the competition seriously.  Different method used by P2 but the same message.  Heejun used humor…P2 is using indifference. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5Y6WQETDKRQINNDVQIIT4BFDOY NFLRocks

    J-Lo’s already working on her next boy toy.  Beware, P2.  She’s coming after you.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5Y6WQETDKRQINNDVQIIT4BFDOY NFLRocks

    You can sit home on the couch and be yourself and play music.  However, the producers are going to be spending a lot of money on you, P2.  I don’t think they want to worry about “creative differences” even before you put out your first record. 

  • Anonymous

    Why is he apologizing again? I don’t see a need for it. He just said he’s not the type to go across the stage and touch people’s hands. Just being honest. What’s the problem with someone speaking their truth?

  • Anonymous

    If that “truth” demonstrates an inability to parse other people’s comments, then it also demonstrates that when they speak, I’m not going to want to hear what they have to say.

    AI finalists get interviewed all the time.  AI winners even more.  It does not help their careers if they appear unwilling or unable to “read” the questioners and give coherent answers.

    Rambling, ungrammatical FB posts don’t help with that impression either.

    I think AI desperately needs to set up a social media training boot camp for these kids if the producers are going to insist that part of the competition is “connecting” with fans in that arena.

    Because right now, I’m not sure that P2 is arrogant.  I am growing steadily more convinced that he’s not that bright.

  • Anonymous

    Can he be voted off now? Please?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t care if Philip moves around the stage or slaps hands with fans. There’s no reason why he should do that if he is uncomfortable with it. There are lots of successful musicians who don’t move around much when performing or interact a ton with their audience. 

    However,  I do think that he totally missed Jimmy’s point, which is that PP has been coasting through this competition, rather than trying to improve or stretch himself as an artist. Every performance he does is basically the same. And in my opinion he does come across as if he doesn’t care about the show, and possibly that he thinks he’s too good for it. I didn’t like that attitude when it came from Lee, Crystal or Paul (to name just a few former contestants who sometimes acted like they thought they were too good for Idol) and I don’t like it now. If you really think you’re above being on a reality singing competition, then do everybody — including yourself — a favor, and don’t try out.If Philip doesn’t actually feel like he’s too good for the show, then he needs to start acting as fi he cares. It shouldn’t be that hard.

    Meanwhile, if he is actually seriously ill, as some suggest, he should put his health first. I wouldn’t want anything to happen to him or any other contestant because they are putting appearing on a reality show in front of taking care of him or herself.

  • Axxxel

    I don’t mind P2 explaining the misunderstanding but he should NOT apologize for it.  Jimmy used a metaphor but should have explained it.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. He has nothing to apologize for.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Thanks for that link. Totally enjoyed reading it. Since I grew up roughly on the same timeline, and tend to analyze things, it brought back a lot of memories.

  • Anonymous

    Lol, I knew he was taking things too literally.

    Too bad his apology didn’t make things any better.

    P2, you’re still one of my faves!

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I actually think its funny that he took it so literally. I’m not really mad at him, but I am concerned that he still doesn’t seem to get it.  He absolutely needs to try some new things and stop being paranoid about “selling out” just because (God forbid) someone suggest he might wan to put down his guitar sometimes or wear a blue shirt IMO. Not to mention singing the same songs at the same tempo every week. Just try and experiment a little, Phillip. Sheesh.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5Y6WQETDKRQINNDVQIIT4BFDOY NFLRocks

    The metaphor was pretty straightforward.  However, if P2 insists on being “himself”  he also needs to remember what show he is on.  Elise is being herself, but she is continually getting hammered for it.  It’s a double standard.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I agree re the need for social media and interview training. It’s essential these days, especially since the media is always looking for the controversial even when it is only implied or even caused by a misunderstanding.

    They also need to be clear to the contestants. Heejun has said he had no idea what Steven was saying after the song “My Life” so he just agreed with him to be polite. If he had understood, he’d have tried to explain what he was attempting to do.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QPQ3BY4QAQ2WBIG3EP4JBX2LHY SamC

    if p2 thought he was too good for the show and not care about it, i dont think he would of put off kidney surgery and deal with a painful stent to be able to stay on the show. My uncle had a stent and he was in pain all the time

  • Anonymous

    So…when Jimmy said that P2 couldn’t afford to “stand still,” P2 actually thought he meant literally stand still? He didn’t understand that Jimmy meant that he needed to push himself to grow as an artist?

    I thought P2′s response on the show sounded arrogant, but now I think he’s just plain stupid.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Considering how grotesque P2′s onstage body movements are without his guitar, I’d actually prefer that he keeps it with him.  lol

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Good point. Heh.

  • Anonymous

    I love this thread’s title, lol.

  • Anonymous

    My problem P2 and all the indie types who do idol is that they want the exposure the show can bring, but they dont embrace the wealth of knowledge they are exposed to.

    Too cool for school isn’t going to work that long, if the idol masses think you don’t want to share this experience with them, then you’ve got a problem.

    What I might have taken from his little speil last night is that he doesn’t care about that vital audience connection. In previous weeks we found he doesn’t care about the groupies (he ain’t no real rock star, lol) neither does he care if he wears colorless and disheveled clothing, and top it off he admits he doesn’t sing very well. Starting to wonder why he tried out?

    P2 has been pretty meh for me, sorta interesting, but I keep wondering why he gets the love he has been getting, when I don my tin foil hat I wonder if he is the straw dog of this season….

  • Anonymous

    Why all the Phil hate all of a sudden? Crazy backlash if you ask me.

  • Axxxel

    Some people feel that P2′s IQ is not that sharp. I think that we cannot forget that P2 is being interviewed by Ryan Seacrest on live TV… and for interviews we need quick thinking which has more to do with experience than IQ.

    To me the metaphor is not too clear but then again,  I tend to take things too literally and I am a bit slow in thinking when it comes to quick interactions such as interviews… So I am not that surprised if misunderstandings happen.

    As for being himself… I do agree that P2 did not have to rub it in our face again… He could just have shown his disapproval of Jimmy’s statement by a dubious grin and a nod. Or just say something like “food for thought” and nod pensively and without a smile.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JSP727NMTNZTGZOULUGOH6G3CI Beth Fischer

    I’m sorry but if P2 wins this season of American Idol, it will hurt the show very bad. To win American Idol you have to be a GOOD PERFORMER, which means while your on the show you have to take risks and go out of you comfort zone… Being “true to youself” wont win you any fans… and every single week he’s been on IDOL he’s been behind a guitar (exept one week, where he was behind a mic stand). The one time we see him move around during the duet…. HE WAS AKWARD AS HELL… He reminds me of Lee DeWyze with his stage presence… But if he ends up beating Jessica, Colton, Joshua, or even skyler in this competiton then Idol will see their ratings slide. This show has become so pretictable.

  • Anonymous

    Music means everything to Philip as it does to Elise, Joshua, and Skylar.  These are the contestants you know from their performances (not from what they say) that they could not live without it.  I hope one of these four wins it all.

  • http://twitter.com/KeyeraMullins Keyera Mullins

    I love phillip, but I’m not loving his attitude & he does the same thing every week. He needs to change it up. He also needs to show his fans & the mentors on Idol a little more respect. He’s where he is at because of his fans.

  • Axxxel

    That is the price of being a celebrity… still smiling at the audience and be beautiful when your heart and body is aching. 

  • Anonymous

    I actually think his health problems are the cause of his disconnection sometimes , to me he really look in permanent physical pain, plus the stress and the pressure is just too difficult to handle …he looks tired, pale and sweaty all the time and more  lose his clothes are more comfortable he is , i just trying to put myself on his shoes and little physical discomfort can take you away of the reality and tbh i guess people is over reacting and over analizing his answer, yes he’s clearly clueless in some aspects of this business and still young and rebel lol, but again his health is taking away his focus from the competition . Still love you PP…..
    next time  just answer ‘yes’ . ;)

    Note ( pure speculation btw)

  • Axxxel

    I love your comments…

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think he’s really worried about “selling out”. It’s just that he’s too uncomfortable to do anything besides growl, strum him guitar, and make awkward body movements and facial expressions. Also, I’m sure he doesn’t give a crap if he wins Idol or not. Not saying he doesn’t want to win, but if he’s eliminated, I’m sure he’ll be like, Whatever.

    Hey, you saw him in that tan jacket. That was a bit of experimentation, and he came off as even more awkward than usual.

  • Axxxel

    About misunderstandings… Remember Heejun who sang “My life” and who did not quite understood what Steve Tyler meant with “taking the piss on the song” (or something like that)… I remember Heejun asking what Steve Tyler meant… but I don’t remember what Heejun said afterwards or whether he just pulled some facial expression in which he showed that he did not quite get it.

  • Anonymous

    Phillip seems to be lacking intelligence.

  • Reflections On Life

    Being in the tv audience, it was 100% clear what Jimmy meant by “stand still”; in fact, it didn’t occur to me that it could be taken as “move around on stage” until P2 alluded to it.

    But, if I were a nervous 20 yr old on stage, in a competition, in front of an 8mill+ tv audience, and I had an industry big-wig’s taped “constructive” critique of me being played real-time in front of said audience, then asked to respond real-time to that?  Who knows – my brain might have warped his comments, too.

    I’m no P2 fan - I think his “Superstition” sounded like a cow being slaughtered onstage - but this seems like a silly misunderstanding to be laughed off. Next!

  • Anonymous

    phillip just keeps digging himself a grave, and i love it.

    did anybody else hear ryan ask max from the wanted if he got to first base with jennifer as they were cutting out to break. last night was just weird and i was laughing my ass off.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Knott/563794735 Cathy Knott

    Im not sure why you don’t think that music is important to Jessica, Hollie, or Hollie.  I don’t notice any difference in their approaches to performing than the 3 thaqt you mentioned.  All of them want to win and end up with careers in music, even Hollie.  Hollie’s big problem is that she is so young and probably should have waited a couple of years before trying out.  She would be a real contender in 2 years.  Colton pushes himself everyweek and changes things up.  IMO he stands out as definintely (as Randy would say) is in it to win.  Jessica is very polished but we need to remember that she is also just 16. 

  • Chris

    P2 may have just created the hole required for a female to win. Voters love humble, WGWG not arrogant. I agree, he is not the most adept at this, but viewers can flip on a look on any perceived offense. Elise is living with that dark clown.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t stand his “singing”, but I don’t get what was so bad about what he said?  So he doesn’t like to touch the swaybots…no biggie.  I roll my eyes when the contestants/ judges do it.  Not his thing.   

  • Anonymous

    Looking back at it seems he misunderstood the commentary, but he still answered the misunderstood question with a bit of arrogance.  His “I am only about the music” attitude is wearing thin.  Dismissing industry legends, Tommy Hilfiger, Jimmy, and Puffy, is not smart …  you dont go far that way. 

  • Nele621

    That wasn’t even the issue.

  • Axxxel

    This all reminds me of Kris Allen (season 8). I did not pay too much attention to him but I remember him  being awkward and acting humble but not as a potential star. He did try different things though musically and I only remember once his reaction when he was criticized after his “rock duet of death” in the top 4: No words, but lifting of the eyebrows and looking away and down and semi eye roll… it was visible but funny at the same time and I felt for him…(and I am not even a fan).

  • Anonymous

    You referring to the “arrogance”?  Sorry, not seeing that either. 

  • Axxxel

    Agree on the double standards… Wonder how people would react if Elise is only 18 years old.

  • Anonymous

    Love Jimmy’s use of metaphors. I just find many of today’s young people not well versed in anything grammatical and I say that as a teacher. We have slacked off and changed they way people write and speak and it has become acceptable … so what do you expect from many of these kids? Regardless, I love alt rock but I’m not into all things indie. I am not a Dave Mathews fan and that is all I see when I look at this “dude”. He is just too one dimensioanl for me. I’m sure there is a niche for him somewhere… just not on my playlist.

  • Ringo

    I am not a P2 fan at all.  I really dislike a lot of his performances finding them unenjoyable.  For me, that is excuse enough not to be a fan.  I don’t need to find flaws in his personality, real or imagined: P2 never struck me as arrogant and  I don’t question his intelligence either.  It’s particularly troubling when it’s based on a misunderstanding during a live television show where nerves may have gotten the better of him. 

    The bottom line is that I hate bussing of contestants for the wrong reason.  The upside for P2 is that unfair treatment, more often than not, it just galvanizes supporters to vote even harder for the victim.  We may be stuck with P2 until the end as a result.

  • tomr

    “The light’s on but nobody’s home.”

  • Anonymous

    Pee Pee’s hubris may have given Colton an opening that he just started to crack a couple of weeks ago. In my mind, Colton is playing the game right (courting the tween girls and fundies) and Pee Pee is falling back.

    I had predicted Pee Pee and Colton would be in the Final Two. The way it’s looking now, Pee Pee would be lucky to get a home town visit.

  • Anonymous

    No……..not only do I want him to stay because I adore him, I want him to stay to piss off those who hate him.  :)

    I love reading all the comments from all the so called experts here.  I think we should all walk a mile in these kids’ shoes before we lambast any of them. 

  • Axxxel

    Who knows all this fuss about metaphors etc can be a wake up call for P2. And we will all laugh about it once P2 ends up in the top 3 and smiles a lot to his audience.
    At least it is a wake up call for me… not to take things too literally :-)

  • Anonymous

    LOL. He’s just not my cup of tea, I’m allowed to have that right?

    Anyways, he is a cutie ;)

  • Axxxel

    I wonder what was going on, Joshua almost fainting…. Maybe maybe P2 not really feeling 100 % healthy.

  • Anonymous

    But the difference between Kris and P2 is that Kris was probably one of the smartest Idol contestants ever (in terms of playing the Idol game) and P2 is just not very good at playing the Idol game.

    I love how everyone went from thinking P2 is arrogant to thinking he’s an idiot. Geez. It’s easy to criticize when you’re just watching the show, but I’m sure most people would say a lot of stupid things if they were a contestant on the show. It must be hard to think of something to say in the heat of the moment.

  • Axxxel

    Arrogance seems to be in the eyes of the beholder. Just reverse the roles and imagine that your teenage child is behaving towards you the same way P2 does. How does that make you feel ?

  • Anonymous

    I mean i understand running around the stage isnt his thing.  But all artist have to at least move around the stage in some songs.  Specailly in a concert setting.  Fans loved to be touched, i understand its not phillips thing but if he wants fans to enjoy his concert in the future he should consider changing his view on performance.

  • Axxxel

    Therefore if one is not that good at playing the Idol game, better say nothing in the heat of the moment and express oneself in social media or in an American Idol interview on ANOTHER day when emotions are calmed down.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think Phillip’s arrogant or unintelligent, but I think he needs to seriously re-evaluate what he’s trying to do here. If you’re going to be on Idol and try to use it as a springboard for a music career, you cannot go around ignoring everyone’s advice and being stubborn or resistant to any change. I mean, the guy had a problem when he was asked to wear a shirt that was more colorful than gray. Seriously? That was a signal right there. 

    He’s playing the Idol game horribly, and I would be shocked at this point if he wins (unless he changes his tune). And maybe he won’t care if he doesn’t win, but if this is how he’s going to act I don’t think he’s going to get very far in the music industry. If he’s one of the fringe people in discussion to get signed to a record deal, he might get passed over because they don’t want to deal with the inevitable battles over creative control or Phillip refusing to wear a green shirt in his photoshoot for the album cover (stretching a little I know, but I’m trying to make what I think is a valid point). I know other contestants have battled with the labels before, but at least on the show those contestants were open to any/most advice people had for them, and didn’t openly refuse it.

  • Anonymous

    I have assumed from the get-go that the final 2 will be P2 & Colton, whether they deserve it or not. I’m not a huge Colton fan (he’s good, but not great), but I respect the fact that he really appears to push himself as a performer. Even so, no matter how much each guy insists otherwise, I don’t believe that either P2 or Colton will make it to the finale based on their music.

    Having said this, I have nothing against good-looking white guys doing well on Idol — as long as they are talented. Kris, Adam, Cookie, Archie, & Clay were good-looking white guys, but on the talent meter, they all leave P2 & Colton in the dust.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Aw, thanks!

  • Anonymous

    I’m pretty sure it is hard to think of something to say in the heat of the moment, but that’s why they need to be proactive in anticipating potential criticisms and figuring out how to respond to them before the cameras start rolling.

    That also conveniently gives them an avenue to respond if one piece of criticism comes out of left field.  I’m pretty sure that P2 knew from rehearsals that Iovine thought the Genesis tune was a safe choice; he could have mentioned that and never even spoken about standing vs moving and we’d have nothing to talk about today.

    I feel for these kids, but thinking on their feet is part of the job. 

    And none of that explains why he had an allergy to camel case and punctuation on his FB posting.  It comes off as rushed appeasement, not a genuine and thoughtful response. 

    That’s as valid a reason to question his fitness to have a major label contract as any other (singer-songwriters need to understand language to write well; AI contractees need to be articulate to properly describe and defend their respective musicial visions to the label, etc.).

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I don’t think the guy is stupid. It was just a misunderstanding.

    The jury is out on the arrogant part, but I will say he comes off resistant to change at least. He’s pretty young though and this is a high pressure situation, so I can cut him a little slack. That said he still needs to stretch his wings IMO.

  • too-cool-for-school

    Haha, this misunderstanding doesn’t surprise me. I never pegged him as being a scholarly type anyway.

    People really blew this out of proportion. Scolding him like he’s a child and telling him what he can and cannot say? Shouldn’t that be up to him? It might ruin his chances, so that should make some people happy. So let him blabber away. :P

    Why do I even care? JOSHUA FOR THE WIN!!! XD

  • Axxxel

    Anticipating questions and thinking on one’s feet is part of their job but it is a skill and it takes time for some people to learn it.

    From what I hear is that P2 has a technical degree and that might also explain a lack in flexibility in his personality… Technical people tend to see things more black and white and not really grey. And graduating with a tehcnical degree might also explain why he has to shape up in the language department. 

  • Axxxel

    Maybe many people blow this out of proportion because they care for him ?

  • Anonymous

    I feel like I dislike this guy more and more every week. I just don’t understand why he can’t change it up, even a little bit. Do a ballad one week, wear a nice jacket…… I mean simple things. As much as Colton annoys me sometimes, I appreciate the fact that he takes risks. Some things I don’t like, his hair for instance or his skinny jeans, but he’s kind of fearless, and I appreciate that. That’s why if it ends up being a P2/colton finale (hopefully this NEVER happens), I’ll have to go with Colton. He’s a lot more interesting. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QPQ3BY4QAQ2WBIG3EP4JBX2LHY SamC

    the idols are at the mentoring session right now. I wonder what jimmy is saying to Phillip. And does anyone know what the theme is for next week?

  • Anonymous

    I think he misunderstood.I don’t think he was arrogant,just answered the question honestly.He may be shy and uncomfortable touching all those people’s hand’s.

  • Tess

    We have “heard” enough Idolettes who have smarts…both intelligence and street, to know that not having them isn’t an affliction of the young and unprepared but a form of foot and mouth disease when someone doesn’t see beyond the end of their own nose.

    Kids get way too many passes these days….seventeen year olds should know how to carry on a conversation with another adult, should know how to articulate themselves, should know what metaphors are.  If they don’t…they are living in a world that they are whoa-fully unprepared to handle.

    I carry on adult conversations with my 15 year old neices and nephews…they are interested in the world around them and are fully aware of how to express their opinions….but then they have goals outside of scoring an obscene amount of points on the latest computer game.  Challenge a kid and they rise to the challenge, expect them to read books and they do, converse with them and they will learn to understand and formulate their responses.  

    If a kid wants a career at 15, 16, 17 or 18 they better be working on all aspects of that career with all their heart and soul.  I don’t think anyone deserves a pass for “not knowing”….and kids definitely don’t deserve a pass for “thinking” they know more than people who have been their done that…that is just self-indulgence and is off-putting at any age.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Yeah, I was just going to say that. He’s likely the hands-on type. But Jimmy did say his original songs are great, did he not?

    And he was likely texting while in the middle of things. I have 4 very bright sons all of whom can write well when they try, but and you should see their texts and IMs!

    I have no reason to think Phil isn’t serious about music and wanting to improve. What he said re the shirt thing was that he really doesn’t care about that part because his chief concern is the music. Who knows? Maybe his idea is the metaphor of having him fade into the background so you hear the music and barely notice him. :)

  • Anonymous

    I think these people are caught in a struggle to maintain their identity in a place designed to encourage them to lose it.  If they watch past seasons, they know what can happen with taking bad advice.  Unfortunately, it is very hard to parse what is good and what is bad in this pressured environment. 

  • too-cool-for-school

    Maybe, but there is the other side that is just making a bigger deal out of it in order to blast him which seems unnecessary. Using it to further their case as to why they don’t like him, which they have every right to do if they wish, but the level of hostility was getting overboard to me for awhile there.

  • Anonymous

     But Jimmy did say his original songs are great, did he not?

    When did Jimmy say this? The only person we saw play an original song for Jimmy was Colton. 

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I believe he said it one of the first weeks when he was talking about Phil and basically saying he’d sign him in a minute. It stuck in my mind because I was curious as to what his songs were like. I’m pretty sure it was Phil Jimmy was talking about.

  • Anonymous

    It is very possible P2 didn’t even hear all of what Jimmy said.  He could have been distracted or tense or waving at someone or thinking he needed to blow his nose or thinking about the nature of being – or just spacing.

  • too-cool-for-school

    “I wonder what jimmy is saying to Phillip.”

    Probably being super condescending and planning another metaphor to use on the show to confuse him with. ;P

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTBLQCZR7Y7LHV5BFYKYW5UQ6Q Aden

    This season should be all about the girls.  Girls power should make the Top 3.  Let’s do it female fans.  Don’t hate your own kind.  My heart stopped when I saw Elise and Hollie at bottom 3 last night.  But at the end I was happy that the judges didn’t use their save for Deandre.  He was good but not good enough for the business yet.  He needs some training.  I hoping for Girls FTW!

  • Anonymous

    I would think that getting this far, having been mentored and critiqued since day 1 that a contestant would understand Jimmy or anyone else. I thought
    Jimmy was quite clear.

    I don’t appreciate some contestants doing the same thing week after week
    with no negative feedback and others getting blasted for not changing it up.
    Same competition …. same rules.

    I also think P2 needs to take some pride in his appearance.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think Kris even played the Idol game.  It was Adam that the public didn’t want to win, so they voted for Kris instead.  Plus, once Danny was gone, his fans voted for Kris – big difference.

    I see no arrogance in Phillip, but I do see a young man that is in physical pain and doing the best that he can under these circumstances.  This is the only place I see negative response to him, and I will be surprised if he doesn’t get to the top 3.  His fan base is growing all the time, and he has a lot of support.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Listen to the Idology interview with Heejun. He said “Oh yeah” because saying “No” was impolite. But he didn’t know what Steven meant and wishes he’d understood so he could have explained that what he did with the song was a metaphor for staying true to who he was and not feeling so stressed from trying to please everyone. 

  • chessguy99

    I think Phillip was cast because of his lack of social and public interaction skills. He comes off as not all that sharp and a bit backwoods. Perhaps this was a way for the show to give the female audience their cute guy with a guitar. But, make him less desirable as the show goes along and he talks more. The show did that with Siobhan, using her lack of public interaction skills and quirkiness to counter her vocal and performance skills. 

  • Anonymous

    That is very easy to imagine because I have TWO teenage boys…one very similar in behavior to Phil (from the little we’ve been shown) .  In my son, I don’t see it as arrogance, but as more of a laid back, easy going personality but very sure of his convinctions (the complete opposite of his brother).  We  know/are shown very little of these kids so for me, what I’ve seen is not enough to make me see any arrogance.  But like you said, it is in the eyes of the beholder.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    “It is very possible P2 didn’t even hear all of what Jimmy said.”

    Totally! It’s so easy to take apart and analyze at your ease, but when you’re in the moment, it’s a totally different thing. I’m sure he didn’t really hear him that clearly.

    And even if he did, I can’t tell you how many interviews I’ve had where I went away thinking of a hundred other things I should have said instead of the dopey things I did say.

  • too-cool-for-school

    I feel like he was different when the season began. More bright-eyed and seemed happy. He seemed nice and was more upbeat and innovative with his music. Then his medical problems kicked in, needing surgery + probably being on pain meds, not having his family there, losing his buddy Heejun last week, etc.

    Maybe things have worn him down and he isn’t the type that can fake it and pretend he’s fine. I don’t think he’s a total bumbling fool or an ass like some do. There seems to be a lot more to it.

  • http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig HaleysShindig

    Phil Phillips, I’m not a fan, but I am a human. Be yourself and ignore anyone that says you  “should” or “Need” to be anything other than who you are. Doing so will save you money on Anti-Depressants and Therapy trying to live up to someone else’s misguided and unrealistic expectations for you. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IXDC7OBI42GZ6WSEQM5U2FT3SA Janet G

    Its interesting to me that P2 is having to apologize to the world for his arrogance- and yes I was quite put off by him- while DeAndre, who was eliminated,  is showing how much class and grace HE has, and expressing such sincere gratitude for having had the good fortune to be on American Idol. Quite the contrast, I have to say.

  • Anonymous

    “I don’t think Kris even played the Idol game.  It was Adam that the
    public didn’t want to win, so they voted for Kris instead.  Plus, once
    Danny was gone, his fans voted for Kris – big difference.”

    Kris played the game so well you didn’t even realize he was playing it (in my opinion).
    As for Philip, I missed the results show so I can’t really say if he came off as arrogant or stupid or whatever. However even though I don’t care for his voice at all, I feel sorry for him in this situation. He must be quite embarrassed at having misunderstood Jimmy’s advice.

  • Anonymous

    “I don’t think Kris even played the Idol game.  It was Adam that the
    public didn’t want to win, so they voted for Kris instead.  Plus, once
    Danny was gone, his fans voted for Kris – big difference.”

    Kris played the game so well you didn’t even realize he was playing it (in my opinion).
    As for Philip, I missed the results show so I can’t really say if he came off as arrogant or stupid or whatever. However even though I don’t care for his voice at all, I feel sorry for him in this situation. He must be quite embarrassed at having misunderstood Jimmy’s advice.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IXDC7OBI42GZ6WSEQM5U2FT3SA Janet G

    “To me the metaphor is not too clear ” It means he will be like the stalled car on the freeway, and all his co-contestants will pass him by, leaving him behind.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick kesia monteith

    NOT all the time (especially with Scott Savol and Chris Sligh in the past), but a good number of the times, the ones who did not always perform well,  that the press hounded them and were so negative towards, always appreciate what the show has done for them. Deandre could have cussed out Jimmy, especially since Jimmy was the most flippant with him, but he says Jimmy is right (I don’t think so) and still loves the guy for his help. 

    Now, here is the front-runner, having to deal with backlash over his choice of words, or slip up, screwy statements, or taken out of context words, whatever. I will say again I do feel he didn’t mean to come off a dickhead, but as I continue to maul over what he said, I can’t help but still get annoyed.

  • Anonymous

    I love Phil. I knew as soon as he spoke, people would take it the wrong way. I think when Ryan puts them on the spot, it kind of throws some of them and they have trouble coming up with a good answer. Some are made to speak well on camera. Others are not. 

  • Anonymous

    Its interesting to me that P2 is having to apologize to the world for his arrogance- and yes I was quite put off by him- while DeAndre, who was eliminated,  is showing how much class and grace HE has, and expressing such sincere gratitude for having had the good fortune to be on American Idol. Quite the contrast, I have to say. 

    It’s because Deandre’s not a dick, just saying, lol!
    I just think that Deandre may be a little more diplomatic, and quite possibly smarter than P2?

  • Anonymous

    Frankly, I don’t think it so much his health, I mean I recall a couple of weeks jumping on the bed with Heejun video, and that was closer to post-op, than now.

    I think idol sucks the life and joy out of many contestants.  I see it in Elise, and Hollie this year.  They started far more carefree than they are now.  So he’s not the only one who is having issues…..it’s just him having his ‘gate’ now, maybe it will be Hollie, Elise has already been labeled stank face, etc.  And while all folk deal this medical issues differently, I never saw Casey Abrams act as though he was detached, though I guess if you were thought to be the chosen one, instead of the saved one you would have different responses.  In conclusion…..I don’t blame his health for the perception that he is giving off.  It might be an incorrect conclusion, but it really doesn’t seem to be the issue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1468223561 Jim Benson

    WHo cares…much ado about nothing.  Those who took it wrong are not his fans anyway…he did not need to apologize for anything.

  • Anonymous

    But with Heejun it was because English is his second language and he didn’t understand what ‘took the piss out of’ meant.  What’s P2′s excuse?  So many excuses for a bad response, and a lame apology, imho. I think he just should have stuck with I am comfortable with who I am meme.  It suits him.

  • http://twitter.com/MrDArchuleta Nate Harris

    I just think that Philip takes himself waaayyyy too seriously. The ship for being a badass has sailed dear Philip. THIS is American Idol, so pull the stick out of your ass and quit acting like you’re above it all. 

  • http://twitter.com/thePeachMango Peach Mango

    I don’t know.  The whole “it’s all about the music to me; I can’t be anyone other than who I am” bit is, to me, just so very cliche that he’s got to be pandering at some level.  It’s like actors who like to talk about their ‘craft’.  I mean, it’s not a bad thing to feel that way about your chosen livelihood, but at least be self-aware enough, to know how you come off and laugh a bit at the self-importance/douchiness of it all.  As Helen Mirren once said, singers and actors are all descended from minstrels and vagabonds.  Don’t take yourself so damned seriously!

    The interesting thing is that Philip has said some flavor of the same thing a couple of times during the few opportunities he’s had to say something in those short Ryan interviews.  That’s pretty telling IMO about how he’s trying to come off to the audience.  

  • Anonymous

    Damn, I love Helen Mirren!

  • Anonymous

    Not true – he was #1 on my list and, nonetheless, I felt he deserved many of the negative comments. 

  • Mateja Praznik

    I can’t wait to see how Jimmy Iovine turns this year’s WGWGs (PP and CD) into superstars! [/sarcasm]

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Everything about P2 screams “not ready for prime time”. (ie. Not ready for the big leagues).

  • Anonymous

     Weird, because I always felt like out of the whole S11 bunch, Phillip was the one that DIDN’T take himself so seriously.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000487285329 Willis Dunlow

    P2 is just not all that IMO…Why do females get blasted for repeating ballards BUT someone like P2 does basically same style every week without any change either-example:guitar,Joe Cocker moves,raspy indie  rocker trying to be “pure” to self  style that reeks “yes, I think i am sexy/cool and ALL THAT but I don’t want you to know I feel that way so I will just hang my head down just enough to seem humble and will dress a style that says not into style” (which is a style within itself,right?)…lol…P2 seems IMO to be caught up in his higher calling to sing than to touch hands but sure bet he will take the $ from the same hands if they buy his music!….I REALLY get tired of these “artist” that declare “artist” yet compete in a commercial show promoting commercial success based on commercial appeal….The only “REAL”  contestants are the ones that know exactly what kind of show they are on and go for it 100%!!!!!!!!!!!

  • BonnieDee

    This “hand touching” comment is a worse gaffe than it appears.  America will tolerate a diva AFTER they prove themselves, but not before.  He’s coming across like a man-diva here, and it won’t go over well.  If I were competing against him, I would be running through the audience, slapping as many hands as I could.

  • Anonymous

    Get with the cheese.  It can add to your appeal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    the difference between Kris and P2 is that Kris was probably one of the
    smartest Idol contestants ever (in terms of playing the Idol game) and
    P2 is just not very good at playing the Idol game

    I think that’s basically it in a nutshell.  It sounds like he may have truly misunderstood the message that Jimmy was trying to convey to him but in the end, he really did put his foot in his mouth last night and it may just be too little too late.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    Biased here when I read the comparisons to Lee and Crystal, but I challenge Phil to do what either of them did on Frank Sinatra night in Season 9. He’d probably rather lose his spot in the contest than try. And surely there is no way he could do David Cook’s MOTN on Andrew Lloyd Webber night in Season 7.

  • http://twitter.com/ronnydias Ronny Dias

     Maybe some drawings could help him a little bit more. :)

  • http://twitter.com/nancy2heart nancy

    To me, this comment shows his cockiness more than anything ~ the unpardonable sin in Idol Land!  Keep it up, Phillip, and maybe a girl could actually win this year!

  • http://twitter.com/ronnydias Ronny Dias

     Who could blame Heejun?
    ‘Beautiful’ is the only word I ever manage to get from Steven.
    ;)

  • http://twitter.com/nancy2heart nancy

    Too bad this all goes “over the heads” of his “young girl” fans who mostly just love how “cute” he is! If ever they figure out that he really doesn’t care about them, he’s a dead duck!

  • Anonymous

    American Idol you have to be a GOOD PERFORMER, which means while your on the show you have to take risks and go out of you comfort zone… Being “true to youself” wont win you any fans…

    Um. I would say that Scotty might disagree. And ah…. he did pretty well on AI.

    Just sayin’   ;-)

  • http://twitter.com/TyraRay Tyra Ray

    Okay, I dont understand how ANYONE can call Phillip arrogant?

    He seems like the most laid back, kind guy on the show…

  • http://twitter.com/jeffreychrist Jeffrey Christian

    Who knew he was an idiot too? That run-on sentence sounds like a child wrote it. Sheesh. The sooner this sonic ear worm wins the whole show (and I believe that
    he will thanx to the nation of hausefraus and cougars), the sooner he’ll
    slip into the well-deserved obscurity.

  • judes

    Did you think the same about Joe Cocker & his movements which were even more out there?

  • judes

    Yes I wonder if he is on continual pain medication after the operation.I know what that’s like -it can make your brain hazy & you don’t take everything in & sometimes what you say isn’t really what you mean. I feel a bit sorry for P2 & all this nitpicking -especially if medically he still isn’t 100%.

  • Axxxel

    According to you “some are made to speak well on camera, others are not”… I do believe that people can be trained to speak well on camera but it sometimes takes more than just a couple of weeks. I am sure that P2 will sound differently and improved in interviews after the Idol tour is over… ( I think the Idol hopefuls also have to do lots of interviews during the Idol tour and have to answer the same questions over and over again and therefore become creative in giving answers).

  • Anonymous

    Phillip didn’t apologize for being arrogant – he apologized for not saying clearly what he meant – big difference.

  • Axxxel

     I prefer this metaphor LOL…

  • Tera2

    Phillip has shown he has a habit of coming off rude and arrogant to those who have more experience and knowledge who gave him advice like Jimmy Iovine and Tommy Hilfiger.  He just dismisses what they say rudely.  You can still be yourself and add others suggestions to enhance what you’ve got.  Its actually stuck up to say you know it all.  I’m not liking this attitude from him, and that doesn’t help his image with me cause I already don’t care for pawn shop people.

  • Axxxel

    Very recent songs…2010-2012… hope P2 will cover that Gotye song that will feature on Glee next week… Someone that I used to know…

  • Axxxel

    But Jimmy used a confusing metaphor to me… and if I were on a live result show, in front of a live audience in the studio and behind the camera… I would listen more to the butterflies in my stomache and the frustration of my heart because they stretch out those result shows… and just take what everyone says at face value. But that is just me. 

  • http://twitter.com/Loretta31 Loretta

    Can we vote out P2 who clearly isn’t embracing the experience and bring back Deandre who did.

  • Westlife 2007

    At first, I kinda like P2 but now, weeks after weeks, his performance sounds too much alike that it’s hard to tell what from what. If that was a girl, she would have been voted out by now. It’s quite clear that he continues to sail through not by his talent. Well, and is that what girls define as being attractive now ? Really ??!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QPQ3BY4QAQ2WBIG3EP4JBX2LHY SamC

    everyone is all of the sudden turning on p2 for everything now because of his one small comment. you can think what u want about his personality, but now everyone is ragging on his talent because they don’t like him as a person. Phillip the only contestant Peggi Blu supports on twitter so i trust her judgment more than anyones because she knows what she is talking about. Also phillip’s itunes recording this week was awesome.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I agree. I totally don’t get all the negativity toward a young guy who is taking this so seriously he’s delaying surgery so he can be on the show, who is trying hard, and who has always acted with humour and good will to everyone. Baffles me. I am off to buy his song from this week even though it isn’t really my kind of music. 

  • Anonymous

    Not Adele for that matter :|

  • http://twitter.com/TweetsFromFrank Frank

    Are the contestants supposed to smile and be happy when critiqued? That seems so unnatural. Good for Phillip for not wanting to touch people’s hands like Jimmy said. And with the spread of hepatitis and salmonella, I wouldn’t touch their hands either

  • revcat

    Ha ha that’s what I thought re P2. When Carrie was on Idol they featured the kids out and about in Hollywood and somebody, probably Ryan, asked her if she had seen any stars in LA and she squinted and looked up to the sky, lol. P2 is really cute and I like his voice, but I get the impression he is not very soohisticated which is actually part of his appeal. I would venture to say he still has lots of fans and will make top 4. We shall see.

  • Listening

    I don’t understand what he’s apologizing for? And I don’t believe he
    apologized for what people where upset about anyway. His claim is still
    the same he feels he doesn’t need to move around and interact w/ crowd.

    Anywho I still like him but he’s wrong change it up b/c i’m getting
    bored. You know how people keep saying to Hollie whom keeps doing
    ballads to change it up and how people have called out Skylar for doing a
    lot of sassy/ up beat songs. Even Joshua has been cautioned for
    constantly singing in a big vocal churchy style. The same reasoning
    behind a need for change for them also applies to Phillip. Even if it’s
    good if you get fed it all the time you get tired of it.

  • Anonymous

    Well, so he is playing the game.  Good for him.  I’ll give you a pass P2. 

  • Anonymous

    I have no idea if Deandre is smarter than P2.  But you could tell Deandre wanted everything Idol was offering.  I feel bad Deandre was voted off.  He’s such a cute and talented young man. I’m kinda feeling bad for P2.  He is having his own “Elise skank face moment”. 

  • too-cool-for-school

    Why should he feel that needs to do that? People know the mosh-pit and the those around the stage are people planted there, right?

    I’m fairly certain that Nigel chooses who goes in it. They obey orders to sway their arms, scream, and clap. Thus their rightfully-given name, the ‘swaybots’. So what if Phil doesn’t want to high-five them? I wouldn’t want to either, haha.

  • Anonymous

    Deandre was definitely embracing the experience, no doubt about that!  I don’t know what P2 is thinking or feeling.  I do think he wants to be there.

  • Anonymous

    I love P2 for defending himself against arrogant Ahole Jimmy!  I actually admire and like him better for it! I never thought P2 had an attitude or rude at all!

    I think P2 has nothing to apologize for!  Now, I don’t mind if he goes far in the show, on his own terms!

    (But I still want Jessica to win!  )

  • Anonymous

    I think Elise might surprise everyone!!!  She is gaining momentum and reminds me of Haley last season.

  • Anonymous

    English is my 3rd language but even I understood what Jimmy meant by what he said. I’m more inclined to believe he’s more dense than arrogant. But then again, maybe both.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe neither. The kid had just watched Elise get trashed while the girls in the audience were screaming at him. Jimmy then talked down to P2 and Phil said in effect “whatever.”  I like him more for that.

  • Axxxel

    I do agree with your comment about touching hands…

    “About your statement that people smiling while being critiqued is unnatural”… I would call it  “dodging the critique in a nonverbal way”… I do it very often… If I would say something to defend myself at the moment I am critiqued, I might say something in the heat of the moment and emotion that I might regret later. Just like P2.

  • Axxxel

    English is  my 3rd language too but I am a bit too straightforward so I tend to understand things literally. I am not good in metaphors or reading between the lines. Especially in a situation when I am under pressure. So I think P2 was just clueless.

  • Anonymous

    “NOT all the time”
    Yes I agree that sometimes metaphors can be vague. But NOT in this particular case. Jimmy even used hand gestures to make clear what he meant when he said other contestants could pass Phillip by if he just stood still. Even though English is a 3rd language to me, but even I understood that particular metaphor not to mean Phillip has got to slap hands with the swaybots.

  • Anonymous

    And possibly, his enjoyment.

  • Anonymous

    I too thought of the Carrie incident. Ryan asked if she’d seen any stars, she said “Well it’s been pretty cloudy today”.

  • Anonymous

    It’s just the Idol way. This too shall pass.:)

  • Anonymous

    “Maybe neither”
    OK then, just dense.

  • Anonymous

    potatorocks,

    I can’t thank you enough for posting that link to Bruce Springsteen’s moving speech.  It was like listening to the musical history of my life.  He got into music before I did.  When I was older, I did go back and watch early Elvis.  I missed most of the 50′s. I started listening to music when I was eight years old and caught the very late 50′s and then the early 60′s.  I was so pleased to hear Springsteen pay tribute to doo-wop music.  It was quite special. 
    What I loved most about his comments, was how he paid tribute to the music and artists that came before him.  He talked about how they inspired him and helped him become who he was.  This is something that I have been trying to get across to young people today. You don’t have to go back and listen to the 50′s and 60′s and 70′s all the time. But it is important to understand the evolution of music through the decades. If not forthe great doo-wop singers, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roy Orbison,  Sam Cooke, Phil Spector, James Brown, Motown, Dylan, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animal, and so many others, you would not have the music you have today. 

    Sometimes it’s a good thing to look back to the past and see where we have come.  Someone had to be there to show the way.  The early rock and roll artists of the 50′s endured great hardship to keep playing the music in spite of attempts to censor it by radio stations and public figures.  If they had not been as courageous and determined as they were, we might not have rock and roll. 

    I am so very grateful to Bruce Springsteen for revealing his journey as an artist and the great ones who came before him and influenced his music. 

  • Anonymous

    Whatever Jimmy has to say, the reality too is that this kids has been bombarded with A LOT of different feedback about who they ‘Should be’ and how they ‘Should’ act from many different people around , at same time in a short amount of time and in front of a very wide and big tele audience , so i gonna give them the benefice of the doubt, because at some point that can be intimidating and invasive to them , more if they are young and new in the game,  so to me is normal for a young  PP, Colton and Heejun age to opposed some sort of resistance to some of their ”strong suggestions” , it was enough with the musical tutoring time that sometimes ( or many times) goes against the judges opinions and they added the public fashion one , then they created a kind of little rebellion there lol ….. is not like what Jimmy is saying is not right, but clearly the methodology to introduce them to the challenges is creating some chaos and making grow the insecurities in many of them ….. again i don’t see the big deal with PP answer, he was just trying to defend him self , me? i totally understand that he was talking about what kind of performer he is at this point and i don’t took his ‘hand’ comment in a mean way , and i don’t took Jimmy is a mean way neither, but when the guy talk about you in a very public television show can be a nerve breaking moment and who knows what i would answer him lol.

  • Anonymous

    “English is my 3rd language too but I am a bit too straightforward so I tend to understand things literally. I am not good in metaphors or reading between the lines. Especially in a situation when I am under pressure. So I think P2 was just clueless.”

    If you watched the show on TV, then you would have understood perfectly what Jimmy meant with his metaphor because he even illustrated his meaning with hand gestures when he said other contestants could pass Phillip by if he just stood still. He absolutely did not mean for Phillip to go prance around slapping swaybot hands.

  • Anonymous

    P2 is not the villian or the wrong person here.  It’s Jimmy that should try and speak with more constructive criticism and be less abrasive. 

    I can’t stand Jimmy on the show.  I hated him last year too!  He just ruins every episode for me.  Thank goodness, he wasn’t hired when Adam and Kris were on the show.  He would’ve ruined that great season for me!

  • Anonymous

    Like it or not, whoever wins will have to work with Jimmy. Unless of course Phillip turns down the record deal from Jimmy’s outfit if he wins. That’s his choice. But it’s just sad that jimmy is getting trashed for believing in Phillip so much that he wants him to grow more. To get a clearer picture, all you need to do is put together everyting jimmy said about Phillip from the beginning to realize he believes (believed?) in him.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    P2 should check himself when he speaks; he does give the air of arrogance.  He and Hee Jun are quite similar, but Hee Jun managed to convey his individuality through humor.  P2 does not have that luxury hence he needs to layer his answers with more diplomacy.  

  • http://twitter.com/krisjonin Jonins

    Never like P2… at first, yeah he’s cute but that’s it. Not I don’t like him. Hate watching him sing… he looks constipated.

    Ok, I’m relieved. It’s now out of my chest.

  • Anonymous

    I think that it is better for him to have a little “damage control” about the issue and apologizing – even though it looks like he has no reason to apologize – is a good move to at least please those people who saw the comment as resistance to change. 

    Personally, I agree that he doesn’t need to give High 5s to everyone in the audience (and when contestants do that most of the time I feel a little disconnect while they are singing) or move so much (and I agree not a good image to look at based on the “moves” he does), but at least singing songs that are quite unpredictable like doing a slow ballad while not making it grungy (like when Kris did “Falling Slowly”), choosing very known songs and put it into a good interpretation (like David C.’s “Always Be My Baby”) and more ways to at least show that he has a growth arc. 

    Maybe that is one thing that is quite missing this season: growth arcs. Who could forget the epic growth arc of “fodder to fave” Haley Reinhart or “overlooked to standout” slowly but surely arc of Kris Allen? I think the closest we have reached this season is DeAndre with his improving performances in the past 2 weeks, but now I think the closest thing to a growth arc left this season is Skylar’s (with her power ballad “Wing Beneath My Wings” showing that she can be a powerhouse like Jessica and Hollie), but even that is quite a longshot.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not going to say anything about Phillip’s intelligence levels, perceived arrogance, health issues or the pressure of being interviewed on live TV. I just see him as Crystal Bowersox 2.0. They both came onto the show with an established musical style and were not willing to play the game.  Although it goes without saying that Crystal is a miles better singer than Phillip.
     
    Playing the game doesn’t mean selling out, it means showing different sides to you as a performer, to keep people interested.  Somebody earlier in the thread made a perceptive comment about the amount of conflicting advice the contestants probably receive, and how they see what happens when someone loses their way and doesn’t trust their own instincts anymore. But Phillip is at less risk of that than someone like Hollie, for example, who has less musical experience.
     
    Why can’t he do something different occasionally? He picks songs that are all in the same style, and performs them in the same style. It’s boring, just as Crystal became boring. He’s in a competition, and he should be trying to improve. The show can be won without making any pretence of versatility (eg Scotty McCreery), but the cast is more talented this year.
     
    Just take a risk, for God’s sake.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Frankly, I don’t think it so much his health, I mean I recall a
    couple of weeks jumping on the bed with Heejun video, and that was
    closer to post-op, than now.”

    Exactly.  I was surprised to see P2 jumping like that on the bed when having that stent put in was supposed to be so painful, so I remember thinking at the time that he’s fine.  I doubt that he’s in constant pain and I’m not about to regard him with too much sympathy and that the fact that he’s still competing is an indication of how intensely he wants to stay on the show.

    I’ve never thought P2 was anywhere close to a great singer, and this week’s performance was just horrible.  I’m beginning to think that he deviates from the melody of songs so much because when he tries to sing them somewhat straight, he’s terrible. The few times that P2 has had a chance to say something to viewers, he’s mumbled and shown very little personality, and it’s hard to believe that he gives a crap about being on the show or is grateful about anything.  I’m not sure if it’s arrogance or he’s dense, but more just an “I really don’t care what happens” vibe, kind of like shrugging everything off. For me, it’s not just this last instance, but how he’s coming across in general. 

    I’m wondering if Jimmy’s early comment about being willing to sign P2 immediately has led P2 to believe that his ranking on the show isn’t important, and that he’s already going to get a recording contract, so he really doesn’t need to care about the competition any more?  Regardless, I still think that he’s the frontrunner to win it all.

  • Anonymous

     THE CAST IS MORE TALENT THIS YEAR?

    Nah, i don’t think so, Season 10 and season 7 is the best so far. This year is way too boring.
    another Scotty’s hater

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    “The show can be won without making any pretence of versatility (eg Scotty McCreery),”

    Sorry, had to respond. If you think Scotty showed no versatility you need to go back and listen to what he sang. He did fast, slow, fun, serious, and did them all effortlessly, which is why it might seem he had no versatility. Listen to Youngblood, That’s All Right Mama, Letters from home, Can I Trust You with My Heart – totally different songs.
    Yes, they all sound country, but that’s as much his voice as anything.

    What I’d like Phil to do is sit down and sing something slow without his guitar and with a piano or a saxophone or something. That would show versatility. Or even just do an acoustic slow song. I don’t really mind the guitar – mostly he needs to slow it down for at least one song.

  • Karen C

     but at least singing songs that are quite unpredictable like doing a slow ballad while not making it grungy (like when Kris did “Falling Slowly”), choosing very known songs and put it into a good interpretation (like David C.’s “Always Be My Baby”) and more ways to at least show that he has a growth arc. 

    I think the key to this kind of growth arc is versatility.  David Cook and Kris Allen were able to do anything from slow ballads to acoustic guitar songs, to rock/up tempo songs, and then even were able to do a broadway song in David’s case, and a big band song in Kris’s case.  And none of their songs sounded alike other than being within the same genre.

    Even though I do kind of like Phillip, I do feel he doesn’t have much versatility with his voice, and his arrangements are too similar to each other.  

    Maybe that is one thing that is quite missing this season: growth arcs. 

    I kind of think that the reason for this is the way the mentoring this year. Instead of being given the tools to improve and to find who they are as artists, they are being told who they should be, and it’s mainly to mold them into pop stars.  In the past, the advice the contestants were given were how to make your vocals and stage presence better, which are essential tools no matter what kind of music you do.    In the case of Phillip, for the most part the advice he has been given hasn’t fit into who he is an an artist, so it isn’t something he can use to improve, because I do believe he does know what kind of artist he wants to be.  The only mentor this year that really did this especially for him was Stevie Nicks.  I also don’t don’t think this is a problem just with him but with several contestants.  

    Incipit, I think you said this in another thread but I think too one thing missing Debra Byrd is not with the show, because she would tell them not only how to sing, but how to connect with the audience on tv.   And the other thing that I think is missing is Rickey Minor, who really seemed to work out some more interesting arrangements. 

  • Anonymous

    It is nice to see someone who knows who he is and is common as we are,what a shame everybody has to down someone for that-You should put yourself in his shoes and see how you do!!!!!! He is doing what he loves to do and if he feels comfortable in being himself -let him do it!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/57KPQ4K7HIGPGR7PDW333QMZJQ Steppen

    People are way too harsh on these kids. I personally think these kids handle live random questions from Ryan way better than myself. When you are in front of the camera, the audience, it’s hard to stay focus and to listen to the question or watch the video. These kids are not trained beauty pageant contestants, you know.

    But like I said before, the thing that bothers me, and I’m sure is bothering the judges and Jimmy Iovine, is that he does not have the #gottahaveit factor to win this competition. He does give people a feeling that he doesn’t care about winning the competition.

  • Anonymous

    ” I think the key to this kind of growth arc is versatility.  David
    Cook and Kris Allen were able to do anything from slow ballads to
    acoustic guitar songs, to rock/up tempo songs, and then even were able
    to do a broadway song in David’s case, and a big band song in Kris’s
    case.  And none of their songs sounded alike other than being within the
    same genre.

    Even though I do kind of like Phillip, I do feel he doesn’t have much
    versatility with his voice, and his arrangements are too similar to
    each other.”

    I think the main problem is that to show this kind of versatility you have to have a pretty large amount of musical experience. I don’t think Phillip does. Like Heejun, I think he’s a bit of a beginner, especially when it comes to really conceiving of himself as some kind of potential big-time performer.

    Looks to me as if up to now he’s mainly just been a guy who likes to play songs on his guitar, around the house, with his brother-in-law. That could prepare you for singing songs straight in some very established style. I think of Elliott (surprise!), who didn’t have a whole lot of experience other than this, but could manage to sound good on the show both because of his technical singing talents and the fact that focusing on soul/R&B as a listener and a singer all those years meant he could pretty easily conceive of new songs in that way.

    But I don’t see how limited performer experience can possibly prepare somebody to be an “indie”-type performer on the show, because in that mode you kind of have to put your *personal* stamp on the thing, not just transform it into a well-established major style that you’ve listened to on the radio a million times. Handling the curve balls you’re thrown by each week’s theme by repeatedly making very different songs “your own” and interesting requires a pretty big backlog of experience, probably fairly substantial experience in writing your own stuff so you have a strong idea of what “your” style actually is, plus experience doing at least some of this with the pressure of an audience or an upcoming gig. The feel-good-about-somebody-because-he-used-to-just-sing-in-his-living-room story is a fun part of Idol, but it’s clearly very very difficult to pull off. I don’t think PhilPhil’s managing it at this point. But I do understand why he may feel kind of grumpy and confused!

  • Karen C

    I think the main problem is that to show this kind of versatility you have to have a pretty large amount of musical experience. I don’t think Phillip does. 

    I agree with you, and the ones that had the most success on the show being an indie-type performer did have a lot more experience than Phillip does.

    I do wonder if it’s true that if he really is getting disinterested in being on the show, it is because he is getting mixed advice from the mentoring. Even though Jimmy Iovine is saying he thinks Phillip is good and that he has potential as a recording artist, the other advice from the mentoring is that he needs to change how he dresses and how he performs, but this advice would make him more into a pop star more than an indie or alternative artist. 

    ETA: OTOH, the advice Jimmy Iovine gave him was correct, when he said he was standing still, was actually correct, but at least initially, PP misinterpreted it.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    I think that this whole “arrogance” and “not caring about the show” and “you don’t look like a star” has nothing to do with Phillip himself and everything to do with how American Idol is framing him.  These were used on Idol before to “bus” contestants.  “Arrogance” was used on David Cook in the beginning.  “You don’t care about the show” was used on Jason Castro (successfully) and Kris Allen (unsuccessfully). Of course, “I don’t see the star” was used on multiple contestants, including Clay Aiken, Elliott Yamin, Kris Allen and many many more.

    Of course, Idol audience mostly (but not always) buys into these manipulations, especially, since it is reinforced by media.  Let see if “bussing” will work this time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/THR2NV2FFQBTETUGDMT7SALFSQ Esther

    I know many like Jimmy’s input during the results show but I hate it, to be honest. Some of the stuff he says makes sense and sometimes he has a point but the whole situation where the kids have to stand in front of millions of people and listen to his “critique” and then act like everything is jolly & OK is just awkward for everyone involved. These kids should be getting constructive criticism but I feel that they should be getting that behind the scenes during mentoring sessions. That’s why I disagree that American Idol is just a singing competition. If it is, they should only show singing and not manufacture drama like they do during results shows.

    And Ryan always put them on the spot by asking them what’s their response to Jimmy’s comments. I suppose the kids can prepare a standard set of pageanty answers but I believe some of the things Jimmy says caught them off-guard. I felt bad for Hollie when Ryan asked her what does she think about the comparisons with Jessica. Geez. How was she supposed to answer that on the spot without getting a little defensive? You can see she was struggling to answer that and it was so awkward to watch. And then about not wanting to spend a dime on Heejun…how is someone supposed to respond to that immediately? That’s why I give all the kids a break. I don’t expect “politicians” in Idol contestants.

    Phillip’s response is a very knee-jerk defensive one, but I don’t hold it against him. Again, it’s not that these kids don’t deserve to get constructive criticism but doing so during the results show and expecting them to respond on the spot is not fun to watch and makes me cringe. I’m hoping that one of them will finally say “NO COMMENT!” when Ryan asks them their thoughts. Or better yet: “WORLD PEACE”.

    And Jimmy giving his comments to the camera is kind of a cop out. I doubt it would be as easy for him if he has to say it to their FACES instead of an inactive camera. Lauren Alaina interviewed when she came back to perform on AI says she’s just glad she doesn’t have to deal with Jimmy anymore.

    If Phillip wants to win the competition, he needs to change it up. But he always strikes me as someone who would rather lose the competition than be not himself.

  • Anonymous

     I think if you put Jimmy on the judge’s panel, he would have no problem telling them what he thinks about their performances – he doesn’t strike me as guy who needs to be behind any camera.       Didn’t they show footage last year of him sitting down with Haley and essentially telling her that she needs to get in the game?   I am assuming he has told others – right to their face – the same type of thing.  And not just for Idol contestants, either. 

    And I doubt Lauren said that with much seriousness in her voice.   Jimmy is an executive with UMG in addition to being the head of Interscope…she may not deal with him as much as say Haley or Pia does, but he’s not exactly completely out of the picture.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    Quote: “I do wonder if it’s true that if he really is getting disinterested in being on the show, it is because he is getting mixed advice from the mentoring. Even though Jimmy Iovine is saying he thinks Phillip is good and that he has potential as a recording artist, the other advice from the mentoring is that he needs to change how he dresses and how he performs, but this advice would make him more into a pop star more than an indie or alternative artist.”

    And I think that Jimmy sees Phillip’s value as an indie or alternative artist, but we all know that isn’t what Idol is out to market. 

    PS I wasn’t sure how to do the block quote in the new format, so I’m not sure how the above will turn out! 

  • Ali Girl

    How many of the contestants have stepped out of their comfort zones this year? Is comfort zone defined as almost always playing the guitar and contorting your face and body in a similar manner to many a blues, americana, folk singer? Is comfort zone defined as taking each opportunity to sing a big diva ballad and doing it unless the theme precludes it? Is comfort zone defined by singing every song as though you were participating in a gospel expo? Is comfort zone defined by nasally singing while wearing jeggings and drinking from the fount of emo? If you’re going to nail one contestant for never stepping out of their comfort zones there are a few more that need to get in line behind Phillip.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe PP will be better off in the pawn shop.  As people lose their jobs, there will be a whole lot of pawnin’ goin’ on.

  • Ali Girl

    Jimmy did say it. I think it was during the announcement of the Top 10 + Wild Card show.

  • Karen C

    Actually, this is pretty much true.  I think about the only contestant that really did step out of their comfort zone this year was Skylar last week with Wind Beneath My Wings.

    I do think Colton and Elise have had more variety, but still within the type of music they would normally do.

  • Karen C

    And I think that Jimmy sees Phillip’s value as an indie or alternative artist, but we all know that isn’t what Idol is out to market.

     
    I think this was somewhat true in the past, however,  not so much now.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HIBJF6JV53Z4IFJATVKXOYNXAY E

    With his monotonous style, what P2 doesn’t realize is that AI is trying to make him interesting or the audience interested in him. Take for example, the time when he sang the ‘air tonight’ , his face was shown entirely on the wide screen during his performance(talking about exposure here which AI hasn’t done to other contestants, correct me if i’m wrong) and just recently, AI allowed  his brother to perform with him on stage(which again a first on AI). Now, if those are not acts of favoritism then those must be AI’s ways of upgrading him, otherwise he’ll be left behind in the competition.

  • Anonymous

     Didn’t idol allow Haley’s dad to play on stage with her?  Or was that someone else?  Or was that Siobhan?  I have a hard time keeping them all straight. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2DQ6QIUABIKODZJHZH4F24EBGY Joseph P

    Yup, I STILL think this guy needs a quarter to buy himself a clue. Both for misunderstanding the comment and for thinking that he doesn’t need to improve his musical craft.

    Yeah, dude, being yourself is fine. Thinking you don’t need to improve and seeing any kind of criticism as an infringement on you is NOT fine. Glad that Iovine confirmed what I was feeling about P2 for quite a while now.

    The question now is, How long can P2′s “being himself” work before his fans (especially his marginal ones) get bored, jump ship, and hop aboard the competition’s side?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001571418856 Dee Miggel

    If he wouldn’t, then how many days will it take for “sense” to reach his brains, when obviously he got it all wrong.  A little admission for wrongly taking it or misreacting what Jimmy said should be his best next move. unless he still feels he’s being misunderstood.  Aw.

  • Anonymous

    I  love the American Pasttime of dissecting sound bites from American Idol contestants to see how much we think we can discern about their true personalities from a minute here or there of completely prefabricated manipulations…….once they get kicked off and get interviewed by Michael Slezak then they look so normal and human again.   AI loves to manipulate and twist things out of context to constantly create that buzz buzz buzz….I guess thats Hollywood…get used to it,right?

  • Karen C

    Which is exactly what he did the next day with his facebook statement.  

  • Karen C

    Much of the advice that he did not follow would have pushed him to be a different kind of artist than he is.  Like not using the guitar, then singing to the group of girls, to wearing something else.  He is more of an indie or alternative artist, and that advice would be pushing him more towards a teen pop star.  Even his remarks after he misunderstood what Jimmy Iovine said would show he doesn’t want to be a pop star.  And since there have been several winners that fit into this mold, it isn’t unreasonable that he would think this show would help him into becoming this kind of artist.  

    However, I think there has been a change that they are now looking for a pop star, I think even more so than last year, and part of the change is because of Jimmy Iovine. 

    And I don’t believe he doesn’t want to improve, it’s just that he isn’t given the advice that would help him become the type of artist he wants to be, except probably by Stevie Nicks.  And  I don’t think it’s a problem with just him.  

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I think Phillip needs advice from those that know him the most…his parents.

  • http://openid.aol.com/gvars George

    lol This is all part of the Idol game we just do not have Simon to realize it or make it so obvious. Every year they try and disarm the tough frontrunner Remember David Cook when he had his spat with Simon something about charming. And poor Chris Allen they were brutal to him.  It is afterall a show whose techniques obviously work very well because we are all addicted. Phillip will come back a little sheepish and win us all back again He may not win as this truly is a far more talented year than ever (thanks to competition fro X Factor and The voice) but he will be in the top three.

  • http://twitter.com/thecinel Cindi

    When your kidney is failing you have to wonder if it’s all worth it. I’m not sure celebrity is worth your whole life. Next time you’re facing a life threatening issue let me know what you think.

  • Axxxel

    Having the feeling that you have lived your dreams and have done some meaningful or taste the glory after achieving your big goals… even if it is for a few moments, even if it will cripple your life or cost your life… 

    Is that what motivate people to take drugs, steroids etc to e.g. improve their achievements in sports even though it may cost their lives ?

  • http://twitter.com/thecinel Cindi

    That may be true in the long run but I’m sure at times you just get tired. No matter how strong you are there are going to be times you just want to say F*** it! For the most part Phil has been gracious. Maybe he just didn’t feel like it on Thursday. I can’t give him a hard time for that. He has chronic health issues. I have to give him kudos for not giving up. It’s pretty obvious he’s in a great deal of pain. His face was almost green on Thursday. Unless you know someone who lives with those types of issues you probably can’t understand.

  • Axxxel

    of course sometimes life can be overwhelming and we would prefer to say F*** you… and not put on make up or go to the hairdressers and go au naturel in our appearance and behavior.

    But  if we are a figure in the public eye…. we cannot always afford to show the public that we are human too… The public loves fairy tales and looks up to their idols/favorite artists and one job of the artists is to keep that fairy tale alive. This means a lot of pressure on the artists shoulders. That is why they are paid so well.

  • http://twitter.com/thecinel Cindi

    Not disagreeing. Just saying maybe he was at that point at that moment. After some reflection he decided to apologize. Believe me I have no pity for celebs who whine about the paparazzi. They knew what they were signing up for when they wished to become “rich and famous”. 

  • Anonymous

    Jessica and Joshua great vocals but  performances are old fashion. Hollie is dressed as a 30/40 year old and Comatose Colton zzzzzzz He makes me nod off, unoriginal and boring. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HIBJF6JV53Z4IFJATVKXOYNXAY E

    When you defend Phil just defend him, don’t discredit the other contestants effort to reach out or communicate to the audience. When the contestants are performing on stage they should acknowledge the presence of the studio audience not just the tv audience. It’s not ‘falseness’, but rather a way of’connecting’ to the studio audience.

  • Anonymous

    I do like Philip with his vocals and individuality he makes my toes curl. Music just oozes out of him. For me he has the total package, fabulous talent, individuality, strength of character, with a touch of shyness. He is an American Idol.
    Fakes fake, however you want to dress it up! I don’t like Comatose Colton, he’s a yawn and over plays the grovelling card.  As I’ve said Joshua and Jessica are great vocalist, but their performance are back to the great James Brown era. They also over sing some notes and it can sound like shouting/screeching. I think if Joshua can find his own style and with his vocals will be a great star. Same goes for Jessica. I wish they remember she’s a teen and if the teen girls voting see her a someone they could emulate then she has this competition in the bag. Unfortunately Hollie is out-shined by Jessica, unless someone gets a hold of her and goes for the teen vote by dressing her and changes her song choice so she becomes relatable and memorable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sandra.urli Sandra Urli

    PHILIP happens to be my favorite and I find it strange that your all on him and not on the stupid JUDGES, who ran to the stage to save Jessica, because the rest of the singers are not worth saveing.. WELL, they did the same to Casey James and Haley Reinhart… both will be awesome in there careers.. AND I FEEL PHILIP WILL ALSO.. I could lison to his music and will buy his CD.. not so much for the others…

  • http://www.facebook.com/sandra.urli Sandra Urli

    maybe to you but there are thousands of us that like Philip…..He is just a quiter kind of person and maybe being 20 yrs old and doesnt have alot of expierence… Im not crazy about Jacob.. I dont like his screaming, does that make him not a good singer, not.. he just isnt my favorite..

  • Anonymous

    phillip is my choice to win american idol.  i am amazed that a young guy from a town with less population than a hospital has had any opportunities at all and i support him 100%. He is a great singer performing artist and a songwriter as well and only 21 years old. i wish this kid all the very best.

  • Frank Kkett

    everyone talking about pp that way are retards he is his own person like Hendrix Santana, Elvis and many other great musicians he is not to be told how to act or sing on the idol show or anywhere look at all the other contestants who do what the judges tell them they get voted off thats because they change because they are told to that is not true talent did Hendrix or Santana change because they where told to?no they tried to tell Elvis to not swing his hips he said to get off his leg end of story he changed the world the world never changed him like S. Tyler said you are just you phil phillip even threw his scarf to him pp will win if he does’nt get molded which he won’t

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/V5I6HHJBBBIZ6JFDBFN5UVKAKU Donna

    Anyone criticizing phillip has never had a kidney stone, for him to be even on stage takes more guts and character than i can even imagine

  • Anonymous

    I detected a bit of indifference in P.P., but then I found out he is having severe kidney stone issues and started looking at it a bit differently. He is probably in lots of pain and perhaps taking loads of pain killers to keep on the show and delay the inevitable surgery until AFTER the competition. His “I’d rather be somewhere else” look on his face may really be a “I’m so drugged, I AM somewhere else” instead. And has anyone noticed what a cranky butt head Jimmy Iovine can be sometimes??