Nigel Lythgoe: “FOX books the judges and has the last few years”

Nigel Lythgoe speaks! After laying low for weeks, (barely a peep from him until the last couple of days) he tells Zap2it that the judges’ panel got off on the wrong foot (with the Nicki/Mariah panel) and never developed chemistry. Via Zap2it

“That got off to a bad start and that didn’t help anything,” Nigel Lythgoe tells Zap2it of the friction between judges Nicki Minaj and Mariah Carey.

“The guys themselves are, goodness me, I don’t think you could find two nicer men,” he says of judges Randy Jackson and Keith Urban.  “Randy is loved by America, and Keith is the nicest man you could hope to meet. Individually, every single one of them has something to offer.”

Collectively, however, he says, “for me it is a bit like a jigsaw puzzle that doesn’t quite fit.”

“I don’t think we have good chemistry with the judges,” he says. “And that saddens me. They are good individually, but I miss the camaraderie we have had in the past.”

The falling ratings have been his least favorite aspect of the season, not surprisingly.

“And it has been really difficult because it has been a good season of talent,” Lythgoe says, “That is always very sad, and everybody of course has an opinion as to how we can stop falling ratings. They all become producers.”

Oh, to be a fly on the wall at FOX headquarters. When the honchos get together to assess, it’s gonna get ugly, I suspect

Oh. And what many of you have suspected is confirmed by Nigel:

“FOX books the judges and has the last few years,” he says.

Well then. The chuckleheads at FOX ARE to blame for mucking up the judges’ panel.

As far as the talent that still remains in the competition, Nigel isn’t picking favorites.

“It’s been an incredibly brilliant for talent,” he says. “The five girls we are left with now — I jump from one to the other saying, ‘You are fantastic! No, you are fantastic. You are brilliant.’

  • MargieIdol

    At least Nigel is admitting something is wrong. Of course none of it will be his fault.

  • Prime_Minister

    Putting on the “producer” hat, fire Mariah – she blathers on and on. I can’t believe she’s paid way more than Nicki and Keith.

    Also, give us decent guys next year. The women this season are stellar, and I’m excited about this Top 5, but getting through the mid-cards was tedious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tammyluebrecht Tammy Luebrecht

    This is just my personal opinion but I think Randy is much better this yr than he’s been in the past. I love love love Keith so I’d like to see him stay. As far as Mariah and Nicki, the sooner they are gone, the better. They are what’s ruining the chemistry.

  • http://twitter.com/TherealDharper therealDharper

    “he tells Zap2it that the judges’ panel got off on the wrong foot (with the Nicki/Mariah panel) and never developed chemistry. ”

    That’s the understatement of the season. lol.

  • blackberryharvest

    Yeah I always thought it was Mike Darnell who chose the judges the last few years not Nigel. But I thought it was dumb to go back to 4 judges. It’s harder for there to be chemistry that way. Steven, JLo and Randy all had chemistry. The Season 9 panel had zero chemistry. Both seasons of the X Factor so far have had no chemistry at all.

    As much as people complain about Steven and Jennifer, at least they helped select two seasons of strong contestants. Sure, some good talent like Candice fell through, but I think the producers were saving her.

    Anyway, I think they should go back to 3 next year and select non polarizing judges. Keep Keith and hire highly respected stars to join him.

  • http://twitter.com/dam744 Damien Roberts

    If I were them I’d get rid of Mariah, she rarely addresses Keith or Nicki.

  • elliegrll

    I wouldn’t disagree that the top ten or top 40 haven’t been talented, but the way that they have presented them has made them look very untalented. It was a bad decision to split the boys and girls up during Hollywood week, since that just highlighted the weaker performers of both groups. And while most of the contestants have been talented, this was just not the right mix of people. There was not enough diversity among them in terms of talent level and personality.

  • LeoCS

    But Nigel supported Nicki a few weeks ago, saying he would like her to come back.

    You may like or dislike Nicki, but it’s not an absurd statement to say it isn’t easy to develop chemistry with her.

    Considering that and many other indications, I have no reason to believe that a judging panel totally booked by Nigel would be much better, or even slightly better, than the current one.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t know Nicki, so I don’t know if it’s hard to develop chemistry with her. I do know that she didn’t fire the first shot. I don’t remember another time where a possible judge choice was announced, and one of the other judges decided to speak out publicly against that choice on twitter or anywhere else.

  • Larc

    Oh, to be a fly on the wall at FOX headquarters. When the honchos get together to assess, it’s gonna get ugly, I suspect.

    FOX supposedly wasn’t happy with the lower ratings last year and decided to take a more active role this season. But something tells me they’ll try to assign blame to somebody else. Nigel will probably be standing there like a mule in the middle of the field caught in a hailstorm.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    ““FOX books the judges and has the last few years,” he says.”

    I’m not surprised. Nigel was definitely out of the loop when the new judges were being chosen and undergoing negotiations, especially this season.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I have no reason to believe that a judging panel totally booked by Nigel would be much better, or even slightly better, than the current one.”

    Oh, I agree. I had a feeling that Nigel was out of the loop this past season when it came to who was in negotiations to be judges, and I was right. As for choosing good judges himself, I don’t have faith in Nigel beyond getting the show to finish on time (Ken really sucked at that, as well as sucking at almost everything else. lol )

  • fuzzywuzzy

    My problem with Mariah is that she is so terrified of being boo’ed that any critique that she has is masked by talking all around the issue and trying to be super careful about not hurting the contestants’ feelings, rather than be more straightforward, but not harsh.

  • Sue tiedemann

    I agree the chemistry of the judges is not helping American Idol. I always liked Randy Jackson and I like Keith Urban. Nicki is the worst judge ever. She ruins the chemistry because she wants to save certain performers and when the male judges disagree she acts like a child. And her comments are ridiculous as well as her nicknames for certain contestants. You can feel the tension and fear in the male judges with these two women. The judges on season 10 and 11 seemed more comfortable with each other.

  • elliegrll

    I doubt that the judges have a lot or the last say in who is cast on the show. One of the reasons why nothing has changed is because we have the same producers casting the people who they like. The producers stick to the same stereotypes, and molds, and even with the poor group of male contestants, they didn’t do anything different this season than what they’ve done in the past.

  • blackberryharvest

    Yeah its weird they couldn’t find any real rockers for the top 40 this year. Charlie came the closest. Maybe they should have put through a rocker chick this year.

  • mmb

    It is pretty easy to see where the lack of chemistry arises — it isn’t any one judges fault. It can’t be laid at Nicki’s feet — at least she tries to entertain. But its clear that the issue is with the women. Nicki and Mariah haven’t so much as spoken to each other or looked at each other since the live shows started. Nicki seems to get along great with Keith and at least interacts, although often disdainfully, with Randy. But Randy is Mariah’s guy — he is her manager. He protects her. Its hard when 2 members of a judging panel refuse to interact or acknowledge each other, and when one of the other 2 is completely loyal to one of others, There really is no comaraderie on this panel

  • blackberryharvest

    I don’t know, I feel like the judges have some influence. I remember Nigel saying he disagreed with the judges cutting Schyler Dixon and Johnny Keyser last year. I also feel like the Season 10 cast featured the types that have never been cast before-the old school country kid in Scotty, the jazz contestant in Casey, the reggae girl with Naima, the metal guy with James, etc. I remember Nigel saying they were never able to put through the old school country voices because Simon hated country. I’m sure the producers have a lot of influence, but I think the judges have a lot also.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Nigel Lythgoe’s progress at giving the middle finger to his corporate overlords for interfering with “his” show:

    Summer: Sulk.

    Autumn: Fan flames of dissension on judging panel through red hotline phone to TMZ.

    Winter: Cast extraordinarily weak “sympathy” lad to “prove” that America cares more about back story than singing.

    Early winter: Deploy the same old tired themes, as if it’s still S2 and they aren’t tired yet. After all, people loved S2!

    Spring: Blame FOX for anything in sight.

    Sir, as an evil mastermind, you bore me. I think it’s time for a new producer.

  • tigervixxxen

    Nigel, the glaring problems with Idol ARE due to the producers. Youhave created a variety show that celebrates music of your youth. I couldn’t care less who is on the judge panel.

  • WilkesG

    Why would they try to assign blame? The only people they are accountable to are themselves.

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    I think it’s sad that it’s the year of the girl, but the bigger story is that the two female judges can’t get along.

  • samuelgrant

    “Randy is loved by America,” WAIT, WHAT?

  • blackberryharvest

    Haven’t there always been old songs? It was the number 1 show for many years and the number 1 non sports show last year, so they must have been doing something right…

  • LeahKittyS

    Evil mastermind? LOL. “Maniacal laugh…maniacal laugh…”

  • dd999

    I’ve noticed in the last couple of AI shows, Mariah has become the chatterbox and Nicki is keeping it relatively short and to the point. On one show when it was her turn she said there’s no time, so I’m agreeing with what Keith said! Also the way they dress is not so skimpy looking. Maybe they were called in to a meeting. with TPTB. lol

  • abbysee

    I know we all mock that, but wasn’t that part of that survey they did years ago? Frankly, imho if you are talking straight up consistent judging, Randy is the only one that fits that Bill this season. He and Keith are the only judges that don’t disturb me. I love Mimi, but concise she’s not!

  • b_james

    Although I have really enjoyed what Nicki has to offer, I think a panel of Keith, Mariah, and Randy would have been much better for the season. Mariah is crazy enough on her own (GLITTERBOMBS) and actually gives good critique if you can get through the dahhhlings and 5-minute explanations.

    I would love to see just the 3 of them next season or have Kelly Clarkson replace Nicki. Kelly and Mariah were adorable together.

  • abbysee

    How does Randy protect Mariah? The moment Mariah and Nicki started ignoring each other, one of them should have been terminated! It’s uncomfortable to watch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004875903894 Katie Smith

    Maybe because the music from his youth is better than the music today. I am getting tired of the whole “its boring if its not current!” memo.

    The Voice and The X Factor feature more current music, but ever notice that the “old fashioned” American Idol actually still creates CURRENT music stars? Nobody from The Voice or X Factor have made it yet, despite them having more current songs.

  • blackberryharvest

    The casuals actually really like him.

  • http://twitter.com/PattiHum Pat H

    His comment about Randy is a joke, right?

  • ohreli

    This is the BEST judges panel in years. We dont need “Chemistry.” We need intelligent and constructive comments, and at least some personality. I think we have both this year.

  • ohreli

    Instead of moaning about Judges panel chemistry lets talk about who is coming up with fresh exciting innovations like “Bacharach-David Theme Night”-!

  • http://twitter.com/Jazzyjen508 Jennifer Lisa

    Also another problem is the obvious set-up for a girl to win. It really bugged me and angered me when they cut all of the talented guys and gave us a bunch of mediocre guys just so they could have a female winner. Sure a girl will win but it is like a slow 4 legged dog winning a race against a three legged dog. I would rather never have a female winner ever again than have one because the genders weren’t stacked fairly and I’m not saying this just because I happen to like seeing attractive guys sing well. I’m saying this for the majority of non-blogging regular/casual american idol fans. I feel bad for this years contestants because they it is hard to take them seriously. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem like nigel has picked up on this because he is blaming the poor ratings on the judges. Nigel is doing the same thing here that he did with season 8 of sytycd and that time he almost ruined it for the next season of dancers when they did nothing wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lynn.resto Lynn Di Resto

    Mariah and Nikki should not be there. Look at the Voice. The judges are all great together and still great with Christina and Celo. That makes six great judges. Why can’t idol find the same connection

  • jpfan2

    Yeah that’s why the ratings are in a free fall. There is actually nothing more important than chemistry. The Voice has it and Idol doesn’t. Not the only reason but a big one why Idol is going down, down, down.

  • jpfan2

    It’s nice to hear from Nigel. So we have Fox to blame for the judges. ;0
    I actually wouldn’t mind if all the judges were replaced. Nicki and/or Mariah should def be replaced. Together they’re poison.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    I don’t remember what happened Season 8 of SYTYCD, but COMPLETELY agree with everything else

  • ohreli

    The ratings are in a free fall because of not enough judges chemistry-?? You mean we get hooked to the show because of the judges rather than the singers-?? Every year so many of us have commented that the focus should be on the contestants, not the judges. I remember how frustrated we were at how much focus was placed on Simon-Paula shenanigans instead of the singing. And the last couple of years—even less specific comments about the singing. This year I have actually been interested in what the judges have to SAY. It has nothing to do with “chemistry.” Even Niki–love her or hate her–its fun to see what she is going to come up with in her comments. Do I really care if she looks at Mariah-?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I took it as a joke. lol

  • Pippygirl

    Wow the one judge I would get rid of right now is Randy! At least the others have something to offer. Nicki can be funny, so can Keith and Mariah is actually offering some really good advice if she could just learn to be concise. I would like to keep the panel the same next year, minus Randy and see if they can jell a little better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lauren.dennis.75 Lauren Dennis

    Interaction is a two way street. They don’t interact with her either

  • blackberryharvest

    I don’t think American Idol should look at The Voice for guidance at all. There is a reason why Idol was the number 1 show for so many years and why The Voice hasn’t. They shouldn’t focus on any other shows, they should focus on themselves. Focus on trying to make the new season better than their current “best season ever” and not try to copy what the Voice and X Factor are doing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    I appreciate Nigel’s honesty and it’s something we’ve been saying all along…don’t blame Nigel for the judges, blame the FOX gods. They don’t know how to program anyway. Who would put the XF on schedule ahead of AI, which is your leading show?
    And who would want 4 judges, which failed in the past. Don’t they learn?
    Nigel is on his way to his dance show anyway, plus — he’s got FAME under his belt. I feel sorry for him.
    Steven and Jlo were run away and the three of them got along very well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Yes he’s well respectd and loved. I like Randy, maybe the rest of you don’t but I do! And I miss Steven and Jlo. Bring them back!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Nigel doesn’t write the checks. He gets checks from Fox. Of coure, it’s not his fault.

  • MyDailyComment

    I must have missed the Nicki and Keith interaction!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Go back to the beginning. Mariah WAS the female judge, a 3 judge table. THEN somebody suggeste Nicki (Jimmy Iovine? Lil Wayne? who knows) and that’s when the sh**t hit the fan. How would you feel? You’re paid $18Mil an told you’re the ONLY female — paula and Jlo were the only ones — and now you have to compete with someone half your age. You know how women are!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    No, you don’t terminate them….too much money….pay or play…you keep both and pray it works out.

  • MyDailyComment

    That is not true. In the past they would not have had as many gay seeming males.

  • http://twitter.com/dam744 Damien Roberts

    In my opinion (just an opinion) I think its telling that Nicki, Randy, and Keith seem to have an okay rapport. Its one of those things where Mariah simply seems to not fit in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    I love your comment, my thoughts too. I would keep Keith and Randy and have a rotating female in the middle.

  • MyDailyComment

    Mariah is the only one who tries to “care” about the singers emotional feelings!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Mariah was signed BEFORE Nicki was signed. Nicki was an afterthought.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Well, that’s what people said about Jlo–too nice, doesn’t want to upset the singers….you can’t have it both ways.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    There are 4 reasons that it’s boring.

    1. We’ve been doing this for 12 seasons now, so we’ve heard the same songs many, many, many times.

    2. While Rickey Minor understood the concept of “contemporary arrangement,” the current band leader or music director seems to jones on elevator music of the mid-1970s. Not only is that not a current style, but it usually wasn’t the style of the songs in their own time (Burt Bacharach week being an exception!).

    3. The available songs leave out vast swaths of what was current and exciting in the 1960s or early 1970s (Lythgoe’s favorite periods). TPTB’s tastes lean Middle of the Road.

    4. The songs are more old now than they were a decade ago. They’re more remote from a 30-something, much less the 20-year-olds that Idol casts.

    As it happens, I also don’t agree that music from the 1960s was massively superior to what’s around today. The huge hits that stood the test of time may be “great,” but a look at the top 100 for those years reveals a lot of ephemeral fluff or outright drek that’s mercifully forgotten.

  • MyDailyComment

    I agree totally, and would add that it would be odd to have 4 “straightforward” judges. someone should be the nice person who cares. Maybe she is not doing it as well as Paula did.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Nic is polarizing….sometimes she makes sense sometimes not. She doesn’t comment about the “singing” as much as she does about the performance and dress….which isn’t bad, because a singer has to be the whole package. I just think this show needs to go on hiatus for a year and reboot.

  • MyDailyComment

    In order to address Keith, Mariah would have to look in the direction of Nicki, and that will not happen.

  • MyDailyComment

    I agree its wrong to have no strong male contestants.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    You just reminded me of Paula….that’s something Paula would do.

  • MyDailyComment

    We could just get judging robots to do the job. No emotions just words. Short and to the point!

  • 1rollbounce2

    well, i don’t have a stop watch or historical data, but the focus on the judges has increased in the last half of this 12 year/season run, imo. so yeah, if i have to listen to 4 instead of 3 and with extended time on each of ‘em…i’d prefer good chemistry. spending more time on “judging” when after about 2 shows – who has anything fresh to say anyway? thank you dvr and fast forward.

  • 1rollbounce2

    must be the hair extensions..LOL they seem to preoccupy them.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Isn’t Nigel’s dance show coming off near cancellation last season with similar declining ratings after he made major changes to the format?

  • 1rollbounce2

    like an old pair of shoes – wear ‘em out and on to a new pair. they were fresh when the show started but I can hear them on youtube or anywhere on the ‘net now. doesn’t take me back like it used to. but honestly – alotta the greatest performances were old songs and even greatest nights were the big bandish style. imho of course. heck i don’t even watch it anymore – but the seconds i watch here and there suggest the above to me.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I can’t even imagine how they’ll handle next year. These people are so… out of touch! Everything is so badly done, I’m starting to think Ken is really the one in charge this year. LOL

  • 1rollbounce2

    it was so funny to me when she went up on stage with kelly. kelly is so quick talking and thinking. mariah was more concerned about her dress splitting, walking in her heals, her extensions falling out and i think her breath. she kept putting her hand up to her mouth. mariah had no idea what the heck kelly was saying…LOL I can’t prove this of course – but it was fun making it up.

  • MrTemecula

    Oh, boy, some CYA going on. I think ol’Nigel sees the writing on the wall and if Nigel is going, he ain’t taking the full hit. Still, probably not a good career move by Nigel. Bosses being dicks and expect the one-way ‘loyalty.’

  • standtotheright

    “Women” are not monolithic. If were being paid $18m and I had the reputation that Carey does, I would slap on some lipstick and come out with a smile. That’s what mature people do.

  • JD

    Don’t think talent was great this year. Don’t love Randy and was excited at the thought he’d be gone. Whoever leaked that Nicki/Mariah tape, it backfired. Nick is rolling eyes and giggles plus Mariahs dissapointing critiques,and rambling dahling commentaries don’t help. Keith hasn’t shown much personality but he’s the one judge that gives accurate critiques, seems to know what he’s talking about re music and also seems to genuinely care about the contestants development. He’s clearly a fan of all music genres. You could see him often getting into the guest performances, like he did last week with Kelly,

  • JD

    He’s said the save exact things every week for a dozen years

  • tucker davis

    It’s hard to put a show on hiatus when it’s the highest rated show on your network.

  • http://twitter.com/THEROCPRINCE Cory Patrick

    I personally think they should let Mariah go, I mean her pay check is too big and she’s not giving us ANYTHING! Nicki is a keeper, she’s original with her comments, fun and brought in a new audience.

  • http://twitter.com/THEROCPRINCE Cory Patrick

    I wouldn’t mind the next season being Randy, Nicki, and Keith.

  • http://twitter.com/THEROCPRINCE Cory Patrick

    I agree that Steven, JLO, and Randy had chemistry but Jennifer Lopez was a horrible judge and Steven I never understood what he was trying to say, or he just said a few words.

  • Garrett Clayman

    Nicki is fantastic a judge, she is truly honest. Keith is filler, Randy isn’t bad this year, and if Mariah can keep her time down some of her critiques are on point. The other three are ok, but the panel is nothing without Nicki.

    Happen to agree with Nigel on the talent though. I just wonder who he called brilliant….hmmmm

  • JD

    Mariah like Britney shoes that money can’t buy food judges, and that that every popstar doesn’t. They don’t seem to test chemistry and instead hire one at a time. I know they won’t like it, but there should be screen tests to make sure the panel gels. Then have some practice.. Have then watch old video and comment and put a red light on their desk when they’ve gone too long. The Voice and NBC did a much better job with panels. Let’s see who they pick for XF.. I’d it Simon or fox? Either way I’m getting ready to not be excited

  • http://twitter.com/THEROCPRINCE Cory Patrick

    I like Randy too, he’s the only one who actually gives real judging. He doesn’t beat around the bush, tells you if your good or not. PERIOD.

  • JD

    The best Fox show would be the Mike Darnell live lie detector test hosted by Maury

  • JD

    100% true.. Mariah is like at another table and often holds on to Randy and just interacts with him. She acts like a bad diva with her past refusals to stand, her jibberish rambling, her dahling etc. But I blame Fox for hiring individual judges instead of a panel. These may be big stars but if they want a multimillion contract, you need screen tests followed by practice live shows. Fox didn’t learn anything from Cheryl Coke or Britney fiascos. Those all have Darnell fingerprints and pattern

  • HKfan

    Nikki only said there was no time and didn’t speak as a dig at Mariah for speaking too long….

  • JD

    But that’s a problem with contracts. If mariah really was told s she’d be the only female on the panel, her agent is the one to be fired… That obviously want in her contact and Fox hired Nicki despite knowing Mariah was opposed. They wanted controversy and it backfired or they underestimated mariahs dislike

  • tucker davis

    I would love for Keith to have more time, but he always rushes because the girls are usually so wordy. IMO, the panel would be better without Mariah because she’s too expensive for what she adds and these 2 women simply don’t work together.

  • HKfan

    Its not just the girls…Nicki doesn’t appear to get along with Randy either. The only one she seems to like is Keith.

  • JD

    That’s the fault of Mariahs team AND MANAGER RANDY who didn’t put that clause in her contact.. It should’ve said she’ll be the only female judge,state the #of judges and give her the option to bail otherwise and not accept the $18mill

  • JD

    You have.. They’re cute and funny

  • http://twitter.com/tle2000 Taylor

    Dump both Nicki AND Mariah.

    Idol needs a woman like Shakira to be the judge. She’s smart, funny, warm. Opposite of Nicki/Mariah. Hopefully Idol thinks outside the box like The Voice and chooses a female that is actually likeable and doesn’t cost $15 million (Mariah is completely useless like Britney Spears with that fat paycheck).

  • HKfan

    I don;t think Nicki and Randy get on, she’s had her back turned to him constantly up until the last couple of weeks, don;t really remember her interacting with him.

  • JD

    Well she definitely send the type that is totally different offstage. She direct s seen to want to be there. It’s like a manager out agent said this will build your profile with mainstream America and help you get endorsements and broader music sales. Y can even see the strategy with tamer liijs lately and mostly blind wigs instead of pink

  • Incipit

    I agree its wrong to have no strong male contestants.

    OK, sure. But no more wrong than the years when the bias in the casting and the judging went the other way, IMO. Can’t fix that retroactively. It’s never been “Fair”. JMO.

  • JD

    Two they should pay as much attention to the repeated sane old theme weeks as they do everything else

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I liked Keith a lot more during the audition/Hollywood rounds, where I thought that he was much more direct and insightful. Since the live rounds have started, I find he (like Mariah) doesn’t want to be “boo’ed”, so he really pulls his punches and errs on the side of being too “nice”, to the point of being disingenuous at times.

  • http://twitter.com/avrohama aj rabin

    Chemistry? The 2 divas don’t even acknowledge each other!

  • JD

    Never understood the logic oi a 4th judge, especially since it increases the budget

  • Axxxel

    Keith sandwiched between Mariah and Nicki, with no Randy ? He will be toast.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Corn/100001659368831 Laura Corn

    Well they certainly have Ryan tap dancing each week. Coanel comes across as a bad night out by any if the Housewives. Just eating for one of the females to storm off the show.

  • Axxxel

    I still think the fall in ratings is because of the contestants… too much kitten, not enough tiger….

  • perfectstorm

    I know it’s not PC to criticize Keith, because he is such a nice guy, which is the prob. He seems more worry about being the nice guy than giving effective critique. I vote to lose him and Mariah.

  • LeoCS

    You just need to watch Nicki and Mariah speaking, each one, for 5 minutes to conclude they aren’t easy-going people. I’ve watched them hundreds of minutes and I’ve read other hundreds about them and, IMHO, it’s enough to know it would happen. If they are totally different offstage IDK, but onstage they never seemed disposed to change their behaviors.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Heck, promise me a second woman on the panel, and I’ll take a pay cut to $15 million and still smile.

    Being the “token woman” in an all-male group so often means being made responsible for having The Women’s Point of View at all times. That gets old real fast. The presence of a second woman = freedom to represent oneself rather than one’s entire gender.

  • merkureye

    I had someone at work comment that they didn’t think some of the dialog between The Voice “mentors” was family-friendly so they would be hesitant about watching if children were present. I don’t think AI wants to forfeit the family image and go The Voice route with raunchy double entendre. The same person however did comment that she thought the singing talent was better on the other show. I don’t know. I don’t watch The Voice and never will. AI is the original and the best imo.

  • merkureye

    Got no problem with “stacking the deck” for the girls. This IS the strongest Top 5 ever! The next 5 weeks are going to be an entertainment treat the likes of which have never been seen in AI history imo.

  • merkureye

    Is Mariah afraid to compete at the judges table with another woman? If you are good and confident it doesn’t matter who else is the judge. After seeing Mariah “in action” I can see why she was disappointed with Nicki also being a judge. Nicki runs circles around her intellectually. Mariah can’t articulate her thoughts and she appears to not even understand vocal and music theory since her ramblings never encapsulate technical aspects of singing.

  • merkureye

    I lay the blame of lack of chemistry on Mariah. She went waaaay overboard on escalating the spat between her in Nicki by calling Barbara Walters and falsely stating she felt in danger of being shot (yeah right). That was really a sh***y thing to do.

    I feel sorry for the contestants. While Nicki is talking Mariah just looks straight ahead with a blank stare. It takes the fun away from the show for everyone. Mariah shouldn’t be able to tank the show like that.

    Also you can tell it makes Mariah mad when Nicki’s comments hit the mark and are well-spoken. Especially when Nicki speaks first. That is when Mariah just start babbling.

  • http://twitter.com/dam744 Damien Roberts

    I’m not saying that Nicki and Randy get along, I’m saying they at least have a dialogue. Mariah has not said a word to Nicki or Keith.

  • O’Doule

    All they need to do is turn it into a singing competition again, with *unscripted* judges. This change ever since Simon & Paula left to producers scripting judges commentary to try to create the voting results they want is *not* working, and people can see right through it.

  • O’Doule

    Amen. This is the lowest level of talent I can recall. I stopped watching after tuning in to the top 10 once. Candice is worthy, the rest shouldn’t be there.

  • Sue tiedemann

    Does anyone think that during auditions there were some pretty talented guys that didn’t make it? I kind of feel it was a setup and they were told to pick the weakest group of guys. The best were let go. I do like the 5 girls that are left and they are great but there are some guys I liked,

  • http://twitter.com/Jazzyjen508 Jennifer Lisa

    But at least they did have more diveristy overall amongst the contestants in those seasons. They had a couple of people in the majority of the demographics. This season has had only a couple types of contestants and overloaded on those types of contestants. Most of the season included minority R&B singers that sing a style not many can connect to. The others are fairly diverse but they are missing a couple of major groups. (WGWGs and and even white male R&B and other kinds of music singers) What happens after the season is cast is a completely different story and I don’t disagree that in the past once the competition strated they leaned towards WGWGs but it still looked fair

  • http://twitter.com/Jazzyjen508 Jennifer Lisa

    They just didn’t have many contestants that were likeable or relateable and it impacted the viewership of the season. They talked a lot about three people that season and overtalked up one of them so much that it made some people not like her. In my opinion melanie and marko were the only contestants that season who would have still done well and been popular any other season. (Sorry sasha lovers but I’m not a fan of hers, I aknowledge she is very talented but I found her annoying)

  • chillj

    There goes the expression “smart like a fox.” My guess is the furry critter could do better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lauren.dennis.75 Lauren Dennis

    Mariah Carey doesn’t understand vocal or music theory? But, Nicki Minaj who uses the terms falsetto and vibrato completely out of context does?? Nicki never says anything technical she’s just funny and concise. Mariah is at her best when she is technical

  • http://www.facebook.com/lauren.dennis.75 Lauren Dennis

    Are you serious? Nicki is no polite when Mariah talks either. Nicki’s comments are always about clothes or image. Has she given one bit of advice to anyone on how to improve their vocals?

  • onebirdlover1

    I do agree with you. The two years they ( Steven and JLo) were judges were the best talent and the most fun.

  • jms

    Honestly, while the chemistry is an issue, I think the really blatant female winner manipulations were a lot worse. I think the Top 5 is pretty talented, but I just can’t give a damn about them, and there hasn’t been a person in the Top 40 who has screamed “winner”. Kree and Candice are closest (not quite there), but they deserved to be on seasons where they won’t get such an empty win. It’s like the producers shoved so many women in my face that it made me almost wish I were gay.

    Honestly, this judging panel would be a LOT better if Nicki and Mariah didn’t hate each other so much like petty little brats (OH MY GOD, IT’S UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE BOTH OF YOU WERE IDIOTS EARLY IN THE SEASON). One or both of them need to go, and even if I do like both individually at times, I have to say bye to Mariah.

  • onebirdlover1

    Nothing to complain about…these 5 girls are super. Candise was fantastic last week. Go girls!!

  • onebirdlover1

    Have you ever noticed when the contestants pick their own songs it’s usually a classic?

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Oh, absolutely, except that the vast majority of the time, it doesn’t happen that way at all.

    Check out What Not To Sing’s database of episodes. When contestants have free choice outside a time-driven theme, they tend to choose younger songs. There are exceptions here and there, but the general pattern is that the singers, if left to their own devices, would not prefer 40- to 50-year-old songs.

    Or, just reflect on how often in the past 3 seasons we’ve been told in interviews that most of the singers recognized few or none of the older songs required by the themes. Idol isn’t casting singers who love — or even know — the songs of their grandparents’ generation.

  • onebirdlover1

    Idol forgets they are the number 1 show not the voice….they haven’t produced any stars. Why compete against them? That show is about the judges period.

  • LeahKittyS

    “Oh, to be a fly on the wall at FOX headquarters. When the honchos get together to assess, it’s gonna get ugly, I suspect.”

    Me too, MJ. I’d like to see, if they end up renewing the show, what “changes” they have in mind this time around. But honestly, as far as the ratings have fallen and as busy as my life is getting, there are only four major changes that could get me to stop watching altogether:
    1.) The show changes networks, or FOX goes pay-per-view like it threatened to
    2.) They do away with the summer tour
    3.) They get rid of Ryan Seacrest
    4.) They turn it into a Voice/X Factor judge-vs.-judges competition, instead of just singer-vs.-singers.
    In your opinions, how likely are each of these possibilities?

  • DragonFly

    It may be an isolated incidence for one I watched, but I was really put off when Casey James was guest performer & Nicki didn’t appear to applaud when he was brought on & barely if at all when he finished. The other 3 judges clapped for him a lot. I mean he was such a pleasant guy, I couldn’t believe she didn’t join in. Does she show feelings for other performers? If not I can only ask again what is all the salary for if she can’t be even simply THAT co-operative. If everyone refused to applaud, the show would already have hit the skids..

  • merkureye

    Actually Nicki has given sound vocal feedback several times. When Angie sang Yesterday, Nicki astutely observed that Angie started in a high key and stayed there during the whole song and slayed it. Nicki noted that most singers, trying to impress, stay in a lower key and try to hit the high notes at the end of the song. Conversely, Angie showcased her vocal range and her ability to stay on-pitch in a high key. Keith and Randy vociferously agreed. On the other hand, Mariah blabbered about herself naturally, and noted that Angie “showed her voice”. . . . what???

  • merkureye

    Nicki won’t applaud, Mariah won’t stand for performances, Mariah won’t look at Nicki, Nicki won’t look at Mariah. . .bfd.

  • merkureye

    There are currently several web sites reporting a story that Nicki believes she is the only one carrying the show. She observes that Mariah is putting viewers to sleep (Iovine’s “ambien milkshake?), Randy’s dawg schtick is old and tired, and Keith is too conscious of his public image to make harsh criticisms. Google it up for yourself.

  • LA944

    First of all, I think it’s NUTS what they are paying the judges. Outrageous that MC or anyone is getting $18 mil or even $10 mil for judging a singing show. They need a salary cap like in some sports-lol. Save that money and clear more songs. Give the contestants some more money for itunes sales or the tour. Maybe they could throw a few of those bucks in and not make the crew pay for lunch. Donate some to underprivileged kids for music education.

    IA–there is ZIP chemistry on the judging panel. MC is great singer–but that doesn’t mean she makes a good judge/tv personality. I’m not implying that she doesn’t know about singing–she just has a kind of blah personality-little humor or wit-and talks way too much. Not a good combo. I even think Kara was better–lol. NM has personality all over the place–but her remarks are often just plain nuts. And both of their attitudes–pretty much suck. Someone mentioned WARMTH. Neither of them exude any warmth whatsoever. It just doesn’t work.

    I think Keith’s fine–but he must be feeling a little uncomfortable with all this crap going on. Randy is Randy. I think he’s added a few words to his idol vocab this season and is doing alright. He is probably the only judge who has gone to bat for some of these kids after the show is over. So he gets points in my book for that.

    (I watched DWTS tonight. They have 3 judges with personality, humor, warmth–and they even know about dancing. They give decent critiques. The majority of the audience didn’t know these 3 people prior to the show.. But, they have chemistry and it works. I was thinking how much better they are than idol’s panel–really any panel idol ever had)

    Next yr–I think they need to go back to three judges and make sure they click. And I bet they could find plenty of better judges for a lot less money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lauren.dennis.75 Lauren Dennis

    Well then she should acknowledge the tons of people saying they don’t watch due to her presence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jennifer.woolley.338 Jennifer Woolley

    Dump Keith and Randy too. Neither one of them bring anything great to the table.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lauren.dennis.75 Lauren Dennis

    Umm, that’s an observation not advice. And, you really can’t start that song in a lower key without making it boring. If someone is belting or singing in a “high key” they’re showing their voice.

  • abbysee

    Nope, can’t work together? Nonsense. And Mariah isn’t 60. She also isn’t the one with a history of not playing well with others.

  • abbysee

    Mariah isn’t articulate, but every instance where she gave a solid critique certainly showed just how astute she is. Nicki knows performance, style, etc, but her knowledge of the mechanics of singing, and dissecting a song, subparagraph.

  • abbysee

    Subpar, I meant.

  • tigervixxxen

    It’s not the classic songs, it’s the presentation of them in an easy listening lounge for the retirement home manner. It’s not about who makes it or not, the show itself is incredibly boring because of the increasing amount of control inflicted on the contestant. Listen o the arrangements tomorrow. Ghastly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003738370002 Erose Lavana

    Keith is the only one giving effective critique IMO, it is very obvious he is uncomfortable with the tension around him, if you saw him in The Voice Australia you would know he is holding back here in AI … and of course he has to guard his public image, all part of PR, any celebrity with the same standing as he does the same, if you listen closely to Mariah she can give effective critique too, she’s just not too articulate, sorry just can’t take Nicki seriously, the lack of credentials really bothers me, she has no right IMO to judge talent …

  • tigervixxxen

    “choose songs” from a predetermined list of 20. We can tell when the contestants really get to choose their songs. Also, those with less musical knowledge tend to get influenced by the producers to lean towards the overdone choices from Nigel’s list of favorites.

  • abbysee

    Minority R&B singers sing in Klingon? Jeez, no wonder they feel the need to stack the deck!

  • http://twitter.com/Jazzyjen508 Jennifer Lisa

    I’m just saying that everyone always freaked out about the lack of diversity in previous seasons when this season is WAAAY less diverse. Time to take the subjectivity out of your viewfinder and look at it objectivly. objectively this season is a lot less fair than other seasons. The other times they had a lot more diversity that’s all. There is no way anyone could disagree with that.

  • http://twitter.com/Jazzyjen508 Jennifer Lisa

    THANK YOU!!!! It is kind of driving me insane that more people don’t seem to have a problem with this. In previous years all I ever heard was how horrible the WGWG phenomeon is but when the same thing is happening in reverse no one seems to care at all.

  • Karen C

    I think the lack of diversity is more in genre. And the problem with that is that the genre they are not featuring is one that has been popular among the audience in the past.

  • jms

    I think what drives me insane is the “Can’t please everybody” attitude. Of course you can’t, but the WGWG phenomenon and now this season are on very extreme and unpleasant sides of the spectrum. In a way it’s like dehydration, you don’t respond to the LACK of water by suddenly gulping down gallons of water, just as you don’t respond to the lack of female winners with figurative gallons of female “power” in a season. There’s something called a “middle ground”.

  • merkureye

    Okay Mariah, I take back what i said. That “show your voice” comment was a real revelation. Only next time, please don’t use such technical terms so us common folk can understand.

  • BonnieDee

    Oh my gosh. I see so much denial on this board, and this board only. Nicki Minaj is the problem. Look all over the internet. People can’t stand her and they say so. They say they aren’t watching because of her.

  • jennyl2

    When Nicki is good, she’s very good, when she’s bad, she’s so bad that I can’t stand her. lol! Mariah is a very good mentor. I think a lot of the kids look up to her so it’s hard for her to be the mean judge. It would be terrible if you are given harsh critics by your own idol. That’s why I think she cannot be a good judge. I’d love her to be the mentor rather than the judge.

    Also, the lack of chemistry I think is due to the MC/Nicki tension which also affects Randy and Keith. If one of them goes, the chem might just be there,

  • BonnieDee

    If the Voice doesn’t keep Shakira, Idol should try to get her.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Well, I don’t know about that. She is now marked as The Voice coach and American Idol would come across as desperate if they tried to steal her. They could afford to steal Keith from The Voice Australia because that was a show in another country, but in this case, both are US singing shows. It could really get ugly.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Keith is too conscious of his public image to make harsh criticisms.”

    I don’t think that any of the judges should resort to “harsh criticisms”, but I do feel that Keith was much more direct and straightforward before the live rounds. Once the live rounds started, Keith became very conscious of getting “boo’ed” by the audience (not as much as Mariah, but still very wary), and started to soften his critiques too much. That was disappointing.

  • Axxxel

    A shortened summer tour maybe…

  • Axxxel

    The problem is , one average singing good looking masculin guy, is able to beat this semi boring female top 5.

  • abbysee

    I guess diversity is in the eye of the beholder. If not having a wgwg makes it appear less diverse, then you might have a narrow view of such. Certainly those odd singing R&B types no one can relate to are certainly the culprit!

    When year after year a competent/capable woman loses because she isn’t seen as artistic, mainstream, or hell, even nice enough, something certainly besides diversity was wrong. Blame those darn r&b singers. Certainly nobody can relate to them!

  • Larc

    I agree Nicki does offer some good criticisms occasionally, but her negatives far outweigh those few positives, IMO. She appears to believe her opinions are worth much more than they usually are. Even when her messages are worthwhile, I think she’s too often a poor messenger.

  • usedtobelucy

    “You’re paid $18Mil an told you’re the ONLY female — paula and Jlo were
    the only ones — and now you have to compete with someone half your age.
    You know how women are!”

    Hmmm…. $18 million and I have to compete with women half my age? Tragedy! heh. … I compete with women half my age all the time…and, uh, no $18 million anywhere.

    I say, just compete already. Compete the hell out of it and stay classy, take the high road. When you’re twice their age you (ought to) have twice their savvy, skills and balance on the high wire of professional life. Better is as better does. So take it to ‘em — graciously. And don’t worry about them looking more attractive. That’s what makeup artists, stage lighting and stylists are for. Yeesh.

  • mmb

    If you drill down underneath the umms and ahhs and the nonsense and the stroking of the hair and the unecessary verbiage and brain cramps, the substance of Mariah’s critiques are actually quite good and on point She just has to learn how to express herself more succinctly. I’m not trying to make fun of Mariah. I like her. But her inarticulateness is interfering with her judging. She could be a good, useful judge if she stopped tripping over her words. But regardless, the complete lack of interaction beween Mariah and Nicki is not good for the show. And the blame for that lies at both of their feet

  • mmb

    that seems to be an issue with a lot of pop/country star reality show judges. Steven Tyler, Jennifer Lopoez, Britney Spears all became soft once the live shows started. Ellen D. too

  • Pippygirl

    I agree 100%. Mariah is the first judge ever to actually critique specific vocal issues. Personally I find it interesting but I agree she needs to learn to express herself better. That’s why I would keep her, have Nicki to bring the crazy and keep Keith as the “nice guy” (also as eye candy). Wait….did I forget someone?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    That story originated with the National Enquirer:

    Excerpt:

    “Nicki believes she’s the one carrying the show,” revealed an “Idol” insider.

    “She’s had enough of the fans’ online hatred because she feels she’s the only one who is at least trying to make the show more interesting.

    “Off-camera Nicki doesn’t pull any punch­es. She believes Mariah sends viewers to sleep with her dialed-back per­formances, and she says, Keith sits on the fence far too often and gives half-hearted compli­ments to practically every contestant. As for Randy – Nicki says he’s the same old Randy.”

    Mariah has fired back, saying that outspoken Nicki is the reason the ratings have dropped. But Nicki blasts Mariah for “making viewers yawn,” revealed the source.

    “Nicki also thinks that Keith is too concerned about his public image to be brutally honest with contestants, and that after 11 years Randy’s ‘dawg’ shtick is just plain worn out.”

    http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/nicki-minaj-slams-idol-judges

  • tucker davis

    Not if we have continuous ballads…no matter how beautifully they’re sung, it gets boring after the first two. When you have 5 singers who are so similar…people are hungry for a Durbin, Allison, P2, Lambert, Haley…somebody with grit that excites us & gets the heart pumping.

  • Madilo

    They need to fire the two girls

  • raminasr75

    Candice just gave what is arguably one of the top 5 performances in the history of the show, I don’t really understand why people are penalizing the girls for being good when they are not the ones who manipulated the top 10 etc, I tune in to watch good singing and someone turn out to be a star. In any given season there are about 3-4 contestants who don’t hack it once the live rounds start, this year those 4 contestants happened to be male, so what, the top 5 are incredible vocalists, I don’t care about their gender and I don’t understand why gender is even an issue. Kree and Candice rank among two of my favourite ever contestants on the show in 12 years.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Those two girls being Mariah and her lap dog Randy, right?

  • http://twitter.com/deadpoetpoetan Arvin Hawang

    I don’t think Burnell Taylor is mediocre! The texture of his voice is unique, refreshing, and soulful. His techniques may not be masterful, but very much signature—Burnellisms!

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    From what I know of Keith, I don’t think he’s all that worried about his image or being booed. I think it’s more that he doesn’t like just being negative – he has said that what he loves to do is encourage and give pointers as much as he can. If there really is manipulation going on, and I can’t see that there isn’t, that becomes a moot point.

    Of course he could well be frustrated with the process, and the whole Mariah/Nicki thing, which is likely quite frustrating to work within, although he does seem to find Nicki quite amusing a lot of the time.

  • standtotheright

    No, he tells someone if the producers wanted him to say that a contestant was good or not. That’s a very different thing.

  • standtotheright

    Again, this season is not notably less genre-diverse than prior seasons. There have invariably been R&B vocalists and crooners and country singers. There isn’t a straight up rock contestant this year (although Harrison has done some Southern rock), but rock is not the only popular genre among AI viewers. I like rock. I don’t need every single season to have a strong rock contestant to make for an interesting finals.

  • jms

    True. Which is why I said “deserving and talented”.

  • standtotheright

    But if they are all “deserving and talented” but one general type of contestant keeps winning over all the other types, eventually the judgment that the type matters over the actual merit obscures the “deserving and talented” label, to say nothing of the actual differences in performance and song choice.
    If it takes a year to force viewers to reset their default expectations about which contestants are more deserving and talented, thus making future years more likely to have that result, then it was worth the hiccups. If at the end of the year, it turns out that viewers won’t do that, and the show is just quietly going to drift down a path of telegraphed results, then the show should be canceled.

  • jms

    For me, the same reason people penalized Pia for being good: they bore me and don’t compel me to act, unlike many other girls who have been on this show. In the 5 seasons I’ve watched this show, I’ve never felt so disconnected and not entertained from these contestants, and that includes S9. The talent was overall a LOT worse, but at least it had Crystal and Siobhan, who both are more interesting than anyone this season. When they got eliminated, I was gutted. I can’t say the same for anyone this season.

    But, throughout most of my complaints about this season, one of the more significant things I’ve had beef about was the PRODUCERS.

    I would agree that Candice’s performance of Love Song was definitely in the Top 5 throughout all of Idol, though.

  • Montavilla

    Who were the talented guys they cut? Because I can’t even remember them now.

  • jms

    Idol does tend to bounce back after terrible seasons, so they probably are worth the hiccups.

    For me personally, I wouldn’t care if the “deserving and talented” and “actual merit” labels were obscured as long as they were there (like Kris, Scotty, David). But I know other people probably do, and the ratings probably do too.

  • jms

    I agree. But unfortunately they’re both too petty to think with their brains and apologize (which should really not be all that hard). The moment there was that clash between them, one of them should have been fired, maybe even both and look for a third!

    …It wouldn’t save the season but it would’ve been more watchable.

  • jms

    Nicki Minaj wouldn’t be so much of a problem if Mariah Carey weren’t there. Yes, people can’t stand Nicki. At the same time, there are people watching this show BECAUSE of her. Everyone I know LOVES Nicki as a judge but would probably never listen to her music.

  • jms

    It’s not huge interaction, but there is some chemistry between the two. And even some between Nicki and Randy. Yet, it seems like there’s none at all between Mariah and anyone else.

  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/AdorablyHooked Gwen

    I don’t know if America loves Randy so much as America is comfortable with Randy. He, of that entire group, is who they associate with the American Idol judge’s panel. Along with Ryan Seacrest. He is the last of the originals.

    Paula, Simon and Randy had a chemistry that is now gone…and regardless of how good the talent is, if the judge’s panel doesn’t work, it puts a chink in the show’s armor. I couldn’t care less about the talent on The Voice, but I’d watch the judges any day. Even with Christina and Cee Lo gone, their replacements were VERY well cast. Their chemistry is golden. Idol could learn from that.

    But, Idol is an old show…it’s an ageing show, and where it is concerned, America has developed a short attention span. I’ve only watched two episodes this season, and of the four, Mariah is pretty useless. If Randy wasn’t there, she wouldn’t be there…at all.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “From what I know of Keith, I don’t think he’s all that worried about his image or being booed.”

    The contrast between his critiques before the live shows and after the live shows had started would argue against this POV.

  • http://twitter.com/Jazzyjen508 Jennifer Lisa

    they might not have showed them all to us, I think that they delibrately didn’t show us the best guys so we would think that they weren’t manipulating the results but there is absolutely no way in hell that there weren’t talented guys. theres ALWAYS talented guys just like there have ALWAYS been talented girls. the difference is that while no matter what we have always seen the talented girls yet we aren’t being given the same opportunity for the guys.

  • http://twitter.com/lucy__luz rodavlaS eaM zuL

    For me, not only the judges who are lacking chemistry for the low ratings. I thinks the contestants have no chemistry as well. Yeah, they are very talented but for me they don’t have strong chemistry and they are lacking charisma. Because idol was sooooo aiming to have a female winner, the show became so predictable.

  • mtlfan2

    I hope FOX will learn the lesson. A panel of judges without good chemistry is trying — well this is the not fun part of this season for me.
    I hope that next time in the start of the season (auditions), as soon as a judge shows personal animosity toward another judge, he/she will just get fired

  • irockhard

    Shakira is too good for Idol.

  • blackberryharvest

    I think Lazaro was the one who none of them had chemistry with.

  • jms

    I would not mind a Nicki/Keith/Mariah panel, but IF AND ONLY IF Mariah and Nicki get over their tension.

  • blackberryharvest

    LOL if she is “too good for idol” then she must be too good for The Voice too.

  • Reflects On Life

    Keith may have been good on TVAus, but he’s just dead weight on this panel. I don’t remember him giving effective critique at all during the AI live shows, only warmth and love for the contestants. He couldn’t even explain why he chose who he did for his Top 3 list, whereas Nikki & Mariah did. He’s the one judge who I can count on to say nothing interesting, whereas Nikki, Randy, and Mariah all bring some critique to the table. I agree that he is eye candy and clearly loves all musical genres. Frankly, I think Keith would be better on an all-chemistry low-critique judges panel like The Voice USA.

  • irockhard

    The Voice is a better and higher rated show.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    She probably won’t join Idol as she said that after The Voice ends in June, she is flying back to Europe with her family to spend more time with her son and to start recording her new album. It would be nice to have her on Idol. I think she would get along great with Keith and Randy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    Alanis Morisette, Fiona Apple, Norah Jones, or Haley Williams would be good replacement NM and MC next year.

  • blackberryharvest

    I don’t see how it’s better. Sure it’s better than some seasons of idol, but idols best seasons are better than The Voice’s best season. Plus idol has the credibility going for it. Idol was getting higher ratings at the start of the season compared to what The Voice is getting now-it was getting 6s and 5s up until Hollywood. So I don’t think the ratings will be that much better in the end. Idols season high is a 6.0 while The Voice’s is a 5.2.

    Also, idol can also brag about it being the number 1 show for over 8 years. The Voice can’t claim that.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Except for Haley Williams, no thanks. Too boring.

  • irockhard

    No one (i.e. casual viewers in the 18-49 demo, i.e. the ones who matter) cares about Idol’s past ratings and musical legacy. As it stands in 2013 The Voice is the rising star while Idol is the sinking ship – especially in the demo that matters. If I were a celeb I’d rather appear on the rising star that keeps attracting viewers not the sinking ship that keeps losing viewers.

  • standtotheright

    ??? I am very fond of Fiona Apple, but that girl brings the cray.

    At any rate, since Paramore just had a #1 album come out, I’m pretty sure Williams’ next year-and-change is going to involve touring.

  • taylor

    Shakira is on the show with the most buzz, the show that is going up in ratings. She is getting positive attention on a show that is current and is the “in” singing show.

    Being on The Voice is working for her, there would be no reason for her to switch over to a show that is losing viewers and has a general negative buzz surrounding it.

    Shakira is a very intelligent woman, I’m sure she knows a good thing when she has it.

  • standtotheright

    Any show that forces two talented singers into a cage match where even the appearance of free choice is eliminated by them singing the same song, for the purposes of “advancing,” is not the better show.
    Shows are about execution, sure, but mostly about the main concept. And The Voice’s concept is “shiny spinning chairs wheeee! And then the slog to the end.”

  • blackberryharvest

    Mariah and Nicki both said they chose Idol over the other shows because it actually has credibility and has actually produced stars. I’m sure Shakira would do it if the money was right. They are both cheesy karaoke shows. The Voice’s ratings still don’t match up their first two seasons. Does that mean the 3rd season was sinking?

  • blackberryharvest

    Maybe Lady Gaga. But she might be too polarizing like Nicki.

  • irockhard

    The battle rounds are not my fave part of the show but I do understand their real purpose.

  • irockhard

    I agree with what taylor wrote.

  • iani

    Haley Williams on AI? I don’t think so. Not a fan of Paramore, great for her that she’s known as one of the US’ great, current rock female vocalist, but I listened to some of her radio-interviews on youtube now with the new album and everything and she was asked, in connection with “great voice” and the beginning of the new season AI, what she thinks about AI and her tone was like, “I don’t watch AI-as an insult to be associated with-I watch The Voice”, so maybe she would like a red chair more than staying next to Randy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004875903894 Katie Smith

    When its all said and done and when ALL these singing shows are extinct, idol will be remembered as THE big singing competition and the best. The Voice will be remembered as the show with fun judges and that’s it. Also nobody from the Voice has done anything after the show. Javier sold under 10K his first week, Jermaine’s album is indefinitely delayed, and now Cassadee is some punk rock chick who is having an identity crises. Meanwhile, Idol has given us platinum artists, grammy winners, oscar winner, superstars, etc.

  • blackberryharvest

    Also, its just one season with “higher ratings.” Just last year idol was still beating The Voice-and it may even still this season if the Voice drops like it usually does for the live shows. One season of The Voice beating idol doesn’t mean its a better show or where more celebrities want to be. This season of The Voice is getting lower ratings than Idol Season 11 and people back then called those ratings “bad.” And you never know what could happen next season, the voice could still see a drop, and idol may stabilize next year with a better cast and panel. They just messed up this season. But that doesn’t mean they can’t come back stronger next year.

  • irockhard

    Not surprised. The Voice is much more popular among the alt/indie/hipster crowd and their wannabes.

  • irockhard

    Or when all is said and done none of these singing shows will be remembered at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004875903894 Katie Smith

    When shows are number 1 for so many years, you can bet they will be remembered. Look at Friends, Cheers, ER, The Cosby Show, and Seinfield-all remembered today because of their legacy. Idol is a TV legend like them. The Voice will be forgotten though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    She would be Nicki 2.0 plus I think she will be busy promoting her new album ARTPOP

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    I really think Norah Jones should become a judge for next season. I think she would like to do it and could use it as a career boost.

  • http://www.facebook.com/april.dean.7731 April Dean

    I have stopped watching and it has nothing to do with the judges. I have been muting Randy out for years. There are no contestants to watch. It was never about the judges for me.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Not necessarily arguing the what, but the why.