Nick Boddington on Lazaro Arbos: So Many Excuses, So Little Respect

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More evidence that the Lazaro Arbos won’t be winning any congeniality prizes from his fellow season 12 American Idols!

Nick Boddington, who competed in the Top 20 Sudden Death round. But lost out to the likes of Lazaro and his Mega Backstory, congratulates Michael Slezak for his winning post-boot interview with Lazaro for TV Line.com:

At least Michael is receiving some props from Nick. Unlike this sweet little message from Lazaro’s Best Friend, Amber Holcomb, whom Lazaro is urging his orphaned fans to support:

That was after Michael snarked on the Idol stylists or whoever decided the singer should wear a particularly ugly pair of 80′s style jeans.

Obviously, since Amber is Lazaro’s Best Friend Forevah, she couldn’t be the unnamed female Laz accused of being so cray cray to win Idol, she thinks she’s playing in the Hunger Games

No wonder some Idols were thrilled Lazaro was eliminated.

Lazaro can’t resist mocking Idol personnel. Here, in a chat with Extra, Lazaro pretends not to know mentor, Jimmy Iovine, because the singer is presently working with unnamed people who are way more talented (!!!) (at about the 9:40 mark)

And here, in an interview with TV Guide,  he mocks judge, Mariah Carey’s, tendency to ramble on and on and on. While we all have mocked Mimi for that, his tone here has more than a whiff of butthurt. He also can’t wrap his head around why the judges didn’t like his mediocre performance of “We Are The Champions.” delusional. (Check it out at the 4:28 mark.)

Not only does Lazaro believe Mariah talks to much because she wants to be on TV, he also  believes she and the other judges have made “horrible” records.

Oh, American Idol 12. We won’t soon forget you. No matter how hard we try.

 
  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1638805698 Jason Scott

    Oh, my, my, my. Poor Lazaro is so delusional. It’s sad really.

  • dawnage01

    Who’s dying to see the Idology interview w/ Michael Slezak & Amber Halcomb? LMAO!!!

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    He can’t go away soon enough.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1638805698 Jason Scott

    There’s gonna be so much shade throwing….CAN’T WAIT.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jenny.williams.391 Jenny Williams

    As delusional as Lazaro is, I gotta say, he’s kept my interest in Season 12. If it wasn’t for him and his shenanigans, I would have been done with Idol Season 12 long long ago.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    I predict she’ll back pedal and make all kinds of acrobatic excuses … or the interview will not occur.

  • Miz

    This guy just gets more unlikeable by the minute.

  • phil2501

    This brings the number of Idols to say something negative about him to 5 (Curtis, Burnell, Angie, Nick, and Devin). That must be a record. Waiting to hear from Candice and Kree.

  • Wfish88

    Lazaro went down hill after he started receiving bad comments from judges. He doesn’t know how to handle criticism from people. He is going to get nowhere in the music business. He’s going to realize that people in L.A arnt going to care about his backstory as much as the IDOL producers, and that his voice simply isn’t good. He is throwing shade on everyone. Karma is going to get him one or or another.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Now that Janelle is the newest idol eliminated Lazaro can fade away until finale practice & tour. The quicker he stops talking the better.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    Oh, Amber. LOL! I’m starting to understand why Amber and Laz were besties.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    Also? While I understand Lazaro’s fans standing by him, at some point it might make sense to admit that you do not know him … at all. But, these Idol kids who actually met him, spoke with him, lived with him, worked with him do. And they don’t like him.

  • perfectstorm

    Making inroads in the music business isn’t based on who is nice and who has a good voice. Not a fan of Lazaro, but he is a good looking guy who seems to have a following. There’s an audience out there for the karaoke stuff he does.

  • http://twitter.com/avrohama aj rabin

    America really didn’t choose the right guys this year. Nick could have done better than any of the guys who made it into the top 10 as well as possibly Elijah. If America wanted a backstory Charlie would have been far more entertaining than Lazaro plus more talented.

  • http://twitter.com/HighTensions Jake W.

    Lazaro also dissed Candice by saying she hates going first to perform on performance nights, indicating that she is the crazy contestant that we have been speculating.

  • LeahKittyS

    Personally I think he’d be a great pop star. A lot of people on the charts today are wicked cute, need Auto-tune, and say things that make them seem really stupid. Justin Bieber, anyone?

  • Wfish88

    You dontt have to have a good voice to make it in the music business (see Taylor Swift, Kesha) but you do at least know how to stay in pitch at least for most of the song. Something Lazaro cannot do. Good looking guys are a dime a dousin in LA

  • lollamape

    LMAO look at his new reply to Lazaro stan

    julia ?
    ?@_jcapers
    @NickBAI12 @michaelslezaktv wow I’ve regretted you not making it into the top 10 until I read this. You’ve lost all my respect.

    Nick Boddington
    ?@NickBAI12
    @_jcapers, because I acknowledged another person’s horribly disrespectful behavior, you respect me less?

  • lollamape

    They both at least have two same attitudes: arrogance and delusional.

  • perfectstorm

    William Hung. Auto tune. I doubt most of Lazaro’s fans care about staying in pitch.

  • LeahKittyS

    But here’s the thing: the rest of the cast loves Amber like a sister. So she can’t be that bad. And at least they will be willing to put up with Lazaro’s behavior for her sake. We all have that sibling or cousin we can’t stand. That’s what Lazaro is to them.

  • mtthew

    candice and kree are more mature than that and on a whole other level. they need not concern themselves with the affairs of their lessers.

  • mtthew

    nobody likes going first though… everybody asked about how they feel about going first explains about how the pressure is nerve shaking because you are essentially setting the tone for the show (not to mention you are missing out on a good 2-3 million viewers so that’s a lot of casual voters you’re missing out on).

  • phil2501

    Lee’s also a songwriter and isn’t an asshole.

  • perfectstorm

    Not a fan and not defending Lazaro’s actions, but merely referencing that there are lot of people in the music industry who have had success who didn’t sing on pitch and who had a shady reputation.

    Lazaro doesn’t need to be a songwriter. I can see a label sticking him with songs off the shelf.

  • taylor

    Give them time, it’s going to be a LONG summer! lol

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    When and where is this piece of information?

  • mjsbigblog

    A little birdie told me it’s NOT Candice.

  • LeahKittyS

    Did the little birdie tell you who it actually was?

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    LOL, that’s what I want to know. Plus, Candice already confirmed she hates going first.

  • mjsbigblog

    Lee remembers his words and is a solid songwriter. Also, he was pitchy sometimes on the show, but not live in concert.

    And he knows what a key change is. lol.

  • MargieIdol

    Lazaro has often been compared to Sanjaya and Tim Urban. The big difference is those two were sort of lovable even if they weren’t the most talented. Lazaro is giving off the “entitled” vibe.

  • vd88

    I think it’s obvious he’s talking about Angie.

  • LeahKittyS

    Yeah, but speculation isn’t always right. I didn’t know if anybody had concrete confirmation.

  • Wfish88

    I would have to disagree. I don’t see any label wanting to sign Lazaro. Possibly a small independent one just to make a quick buck. Don’t expect UMG to sign him tho.

  • vd88

    Add this to the growing number of ppl that dislike Lazaro. Also Melinda Ademi also tweeted about wishing ppl could see behind the scenes of how some of these ppl really are implying about Lazaro. Once again there is no dissension in this group besides Lazaro and anyone whose actually defending him, I think ppl who’ve actually been around him have better judgement of him than we could ever have. Has there even been a contestant with an amazing backstory this disliked by the other contestants and have such an unlikeable personality. Danny Gokey rings a bell but at least the other contestants actually liked him.

  • Wfish88

    Justin & Chris Brown are famous enough to say things stupid. Lazaro doesn’t have a record contract. He should be respectful, his disrespectfulness could end up hurting him. Just like how Kelly Clarkson is big enough is publicly diss Clive Davis.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    Idol should have run with the short guy instead.

  • LeahKittyS

    Amber still tweets him and loves him and calls him “boo,” so he’s clearly lovable in someone’s eyes. Plus he’s been to a children’s cancer hospital and a class for kids with disabilities, and I doubt those were just photo ops. Is that enough to keep from someone from being labeled pure evil (which some people on the blogs seem to be doing?)

  • LeahKittyS

    As much as I’ve defended Lazaro on here and will continue to in some respects (unless he does something really awful like beat somebody up), I have to wonder if someone paid him to sabotage the show and the producers weren’t aware of the scheme until too late. Wobbly singing, making excuses, sassing the judges, disrespecting Jimmy, annoying the other contestants…should we do a poll on who put him up to all this?
    Voice people? X Factor people? Vote For The Worst people? A small unknown group that just hates Idol? The devil? Any other ideas?

  • Incipit

    Whoah. If that tweet to Slezak is symptomatic, this is a high level of unfortunate – people who didn’t even have to duet with Arbos on National TV are commenting. I would just prefer he stop spreading slime.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    I think Jimmy made it clear to Lazaro that he was in over his head. So Lazaro diminishes Jimmy’s importance. The question is whether that is a coping mechanism or simply Lazaro being passive-aggressive. Either way it doesn’t bode well for him. Haley has noted it’s a small industry and you’ll see the same people again. That’s especially true if you plan on staying in LA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    MJ, spill it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    I don’t want to hear a guy with an attitude problem marketed using auto-tune because he’s cute and someone thinks they can make money off them.

    I want to slap anyone who does.

  • http://twitter.com/Falls_Guy Miles (Grumpy) (VI)

    Angie never “said” anything…

  • LeahKittyS

    Okay, one last remark and then I’m done with these Lazaro feeds. I’m tired of all the negative energy. At least on Twitter there are people who love him as well as people who hate him. The reason I have defended Lazaro so vigilantly is because I AM LAZARO.
    I was bullied throughout middle school. I am unfiltered with my opinions. I have been accused of talking crap about people. I am not nice to everybody behind their back and will think badly of people who think badly of me. I do not take criticism well at all; even being down-voted on this blog bothers me.
    The only difference is that I know better than to put myself on a show that will bring out those worst parts of me and break me down. As much as I love to sing and people tell me how good I am, I know I am not cut out for the Idol machine. The only difference between me and Lazaro is that I have a network of supporters who keep me from getting in over my head.
    Lazaro and I are products of our respective environments. God bless Amber for extending the hand of friendship to him, and anyone else who is willing to tolerate him. May he find someone who will lead him down the right path and keep his head in the right place when his dream is not realized.

  • Incipit

    Oh Lord. I just became my Grandmother. “Handsome is as handsome does.”

  • RalphResty

    Obviously Nick and Lazaro weren’t friends when they were in the top 20.

  • Happyhexer

    Well, Kris Allen and Matt Giraud both joined Danny Gokey on his charity cruise (in different years) and they seemed to get along with Danny just fine. There was no particular reason for them to do the charity cruise if they didn’t like him. I suspect most of the other AI8 Top 10 liked him as well, or at worst, were indifferent. Lazaro seems to be on a different level. I don’t remember so much ill will between contestants before, while the show was still going on. I’m surprised AI hasn’t tried to muzzle Lazaro; there must be something in the Idol contract they could use to rein him in! Or maybe they just figure that with enough rope, Lazaro will hang himself (figuratively speaking). Not sure which is better or worse. That Lazaro is behaving this way and got to #6 does not reflect well on Idol.

  • ohreli

    Can everyone just stop dissing each other on Twitter? Its really ugly.

  • ohreli

    I think Lazaro has already hung himself. And may I make a suggestion to the other contestants: dissing Lazaro publicly on Twitter also leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths. Silence is golden.

  • ohreli

    Its definitely Angie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    um… difference between kelly and lazaro is that she’s legit and can actually sing. and her career is still going strong plus clive was a bully. if lazaro thought dealing with jimmy was awful enough, can you imagine him dealing with clive… honestly lazaro needs to take a break from this before this gets any worse. idol may be forced to kick him off the tour or whatever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    Yes, good for Amber. It still doesn’t excuse him for what he said. He should know better than that. He may be breaching his Idol contract without realizing it.

  • Niall

    Has any idol contestant, outside of maybe Corey Clark, been so obviously disliked? I’m not necessarily defending the public dissing (sometimes it has the opposite effect of building undeserved sympathy for a douchebag) but it’s got to be unprecedented for so many to directly or indirectly smack down another contestant.

  • Happyhexer

    Do not let down arrows bother you. It isn’t criticism; it usually just means the person doesn’t agree with something you said. It can be a shorthand way to express disagreement without the need to post. It’s very human and can be hard not to take down arrows personally, though, which is why I would prefer if there were no down arrows at all.

  • breakdown

    Wow, Amber, who are you exactly? Birds of a feather….

  • taylor

    Pure evil? I haven’t seen comments with that implication.

  • http://twitter.com/HighTensions Jake W.

    Spill those juicy detials. :p

  • taylor

    A little birdie told you which girl Lazaro thinks is cr-a-a-a-zy?
    It’s hilarious that it matters in the first place. This is Lazaro’s opinion, after all. lol

  • mjsbigblog

    Yes. lol. And it’s not a stretch. ;)

  • Latin2

    Note to America…just because someone has a disability and a sad back story doesn’t mean they are sweet hearts. They just could be the biggest a$$holes around.

  • abbysee

    Well that goes both ways. Anyway we all have a friend who’s a bit of an ass or loose cannon. Maybe she’s sees a better side of him. Judging her for liking him is sorta judging harshly imho.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Dj532 Derrick Johnson

    it’s obviously Angie who he is talking about

  • abbysee

    On one hand I find this really amusing. A loose cannon contestant after all these years! Finally. On the other hand it’s Lazaro. He’s already shown himself to be a less than credible source. He’s drinking his own mom aid thinking himself some slighted contestant. Right now Nick, Johnny, and the awesome bgwg (among many others) are gonna miss the idol tour knowing this hack with an attitude made it past them. That sucks.

  • abbysee

    Ugh……own kool aide is what I meant.

  • abbysee

    I think they are both bigger and smarter than that. A simple apology would do. And an acknowledgement that the outfit was fugly.

    Truthfully if the contestants he beats up can sit with him, Amber isn’t going to have an issue. For heaven’s sake, Burnell sat with him, and it was good, and Adam did, and it was a total win.Sometime the best interviews he’s done are not with his favorites.

  • Latin2

    Lazaro said in Slezak interview is he gives back criticism when he was being judged.

    uh…they are the judges and supposed to give you critiques. You are not supposed to talk “sh*t” back to the judges and criticize the judges on their careers.

  • Anny_nanny

    And Lee was very friendly on the show and after it.

  • Anny_nanny

    I think after this season all we fell in love Sanjaya and Tim.

  • mjsbigblog

    YOU guys spilled it with your voting skillz. Need I say more?

  • supersonic

    Obviously Lazaro isn’t friends with anyone except for Amber.

  • Madilo

    i have a good flair, when i don’t like someone that says something :)

  • Karen C

    Lee got another record deal because of his songwriting skills and experience. I don’t think Lazaro has enough experience to be able to get a record deal on his own.

  • Karen C

    Maybe the problem with Lazaro is he doesn’t realize that the reason he made it so far in the competition was because they let the weaker guys through, and because he had sympathy votes also.
    I’m pretty sure they didn’t let Nick through because he was too similar to those that have won or done well in the past, which really isn’t fair to them.
    Really, what is happening now is in part the result of the manipulation of the show this year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Oh boy, can we say “Subway sandwich maker”, because that’s the only job he will get when he gets off the tour.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    I remember Nigel telling the contestants some seasons back not to use the internet and not to look at twitter– but I guess you can’t stop freedom of speech! And this is the CURRENT generation — not too much brain matter when it comes to speaking up and knowing what to say in interviews.

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    except that Lazaro was a coworker, that cost some of them a sort of job.

  • vdawg

    I wish Nick had made the top 10, he was way better than Lazaro. I hope little miss diva Amber goes home next. Oh Amber and Lazaro, I look forward to seeing both of you as cruise ship singers as your future.

  • sunshine

    Interestingly. Nick and Lazaro follow each other on twitter. Not all the contestants follow each other.

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    they did let Nick through. he was in the top 10 guys, but didn’t get enough votes. i really liked Nick last year, and in Hollywood this year, but he didn’t make a case for himself to make it to the top 10. i’d take him over Curtis, but in top 20 week Lazaro kind out-performed him. i’m sure that he would have gotten better while Lazaro just got worse though. oh well…

  • sunshine

    Regardless of Lazaro’s other drama… The last statement in his interview with TV Guide is telling and powerful.

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    what was it? i can’t listen to all of these…

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    +1000

  • sunshine

    He tells kids struggling with things in life that taking their own life isn’t the answer. That life will get better and not to give up.

  • http://twitter.com/ItsMyT1me Lori

    I just came here to post the same sentiment. I could not possibly listen to that 47 minute interview, but I clicked on the 4 minute one. The first three and half minutes is the usual BS but that last minute got me in the gut.

    We are all products of our environment and it is how we each choose to act/react to that environment that makes us who we are. Some are strong enough to ignore the bullying and go on to have fantastic lives. Others cannot handle it and lash out, becoming violent themselves. And lastly, there are those that decide that it’s better to not exist at all than to live a life of being bullied.

    It’s such a shame that Lazaro couldn’t have used all this valuable face time to send THAT message.

  • sunshine

    He tells kids struggling in life not to give up and take their own life. He encourages them that life can get better.

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    that’s a great and important message for sure. and great to hear him feeling like things got better for him. but in general i think kids can find a better role model than him.

  • Karen C

    That’s one of the problems with the sudden death semi finals. Someone can have a really good week, and get through to the top 10. When they do the longer semifinals someone has to be more consistantly good to get through.

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    like in seasons 4-9? yeah, that was the best format IMO. actually, this year was better than S10-11. since they had 2 weeks to get the votes (sudden death + semis). unfortunately Nick was pretty boring on both his chances. Lazaro was better in the semi-finales + had lots of screen time and a compelling story. that got him through.

  • emme1000

    To those people that got upset I thought Amber had an attitude and was self-absorbed…see tweet above!

  • emme1000

    I hope she gets voted off this week!!

  • emme1000

    They should have followed Nigel’s advice….makes me dislike Amber more

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    MJ basically said it was Angie. not that it matters…

  • standtotheright

    I like “mom aid,” actually. People mothering him (in his own life and now in fandom) and never making him face up to his responsibility in creating a situation is likely a lot of the problem.

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    Slezak is a pro. it will either be resolved nicely or not mentioned at all.

  • standtotheright

    IMO, if someone disagrees with something I write and wishes to express that, then they do “need” to write a response rather than downvoting. Otherwise how I am supposed to know why they feel that way? Giving me a good argument might change my opinion; downvoting without commenting certainly won’t.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    I don’t think Lazaro vs Lee is a fair comparison at all. The only thing these two have in common is the first letter for their first name.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    They also remembered their words and took criticism well.

  • standtotheright

    The only difference is that I know better than to put myself on a show
    that will bring out those worst parts of me and break me down

    Respectfully, this self-knowledge reflects more than being the product of one’s environment. It’s also about basic observational skills. Any unprepared contestant could get to Hollywood, see what kind of environment that he or she faced, and “ask” to get cut to come back later when he or she was ready. People who make other choices face some consequences.

    But I commend you for understanding your own triggers and wishing for something better for him.

  • Miz

    Hey, I love my local Subway sandwich makers. Lazaro is no way near as classy and smart as they are.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I wish Janelle had stayed and Amber went home.

  • Miz

    I liked ‘mom aid’ better because that is exactly what it is. :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Can I give you 20 up arrows for that lol? I HATE when ppl down arrow my comments without saying WHAT they disagreed with!

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Those that met Tim in person said he was the nicest guy. Yes, a good representative for Idol. My daughter met him away from the Idol stage and was so impressed. Not only is he nice looking, but he’s a sweetheart.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    I do think that ALOT of people on the boards want to believe the worst about Lazaro and keep dwelling on the negative. I will say that after seeing the interviews Lazaro is not as innocent as he seems (I was HOPING for the Sanjaya/Tim Urban type). However, I really don’t see what the appeal of villianizing people seems to be.

  • Miz

    Haley is right. It is a ‘small town’ and it goes beyond people you may ‘see’. That ‘nobody’ you’re a jerk to just may have more power and connections than you’d ever imagine.

  • alt28023

    Well there have been episodes of Idology since she tweeted that and I don’t recognize any hurt feelings on Slezak’s end.

  • Miz

    No conspiracy here. It’s all darling little entitled self-absorbed Lazaro.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Exactly. He’ll make a self-depreciating joke and move on. But I do want to see how Amber comes across.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    The problem with this format to me is watching 40 people perform is just too much. It was guaranteed to get crazy boring and feel endless. I prefer the way they did sudden death in seasons 10 & 11, if they are going to go that way. Of course the ultimate way to do the semis IMO is the way they did it in seasons 4-7 & 9, because that give people time to grow into it like Karen C said.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Maybe, or they don’t like the idol you’re posting about. I’ve gotten down votes just for posting an appearance notice.

  • Anny_nanny

    I liked Tim on the show, I’m in the minority. I was not a fan, but I liked his personality.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Does that mean she’s not there any more? Janelle? I would think it’s Angie. LOL.

  • Kitwana

    I’m not a fan of Michael Slezak or Shirley Halperin but I am curious as to why Slezak is treated with such reverence but Halperin criticized for being a fan girl. To me, both are equally biased. Both provide over the top support for favorites and take every opportunity to tear down those they dislike. I’m not saying we should be nicer to Halperin. I’m saying that both should have their biases and motives called out. To me, they’re no better than any other over-invested fan, except they have a larger platform to share their bias. Just as we don’t hesitate to challenge or criticize posts on this blog we disagree with, we should also not hesitate to challenge Slezak and Halperin. They are no better than any of us when it comes to “fangirling or fanboying”. I’d say they are often worse.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    It would seem to me the stylists should have stopped Amber from wearing those awful shorts. They have a budget – use it.

  • elliegrll

    I’ve never felt like Slezak goes out of his way to tear people down. I don’t think that anyone is a bigger fan of the show, and there’s something that’s sweet about that. He’s a fan of the show, and some of the contestants, but he’s also incredibly honest, and doesn’t tend to sugarcoat things. Maybe if 19 had listened to some of his complaints years ago, the ratings would be better.

    Shirley is just pathetic.

  • elliegrll

    The public didn’t vote for Nick, so the producers can’t be blamed for that. Nick was incredibly weak during the semi final rounds.

    I do agree that Lazaro doesn’t get it. He’s incredibly delusional, which is both sad and infuriating.

  • elliegrll

    Season 8′s format wasn’t the same as season 9′s. Season 9′s was fairer, but made for incredibly boring television, and not just because the performers were boring. I agree with Nigel, most people don’t want to sit through three weeks of semi final rounds.

  • Tommyo2000

    Far be it from me to make excuses for him,cause he s
    Is so good at making his own,…. But I almost wonder if he didn’t know what the questioner asked when she said Jimmy Iovine … It was hard to tell if he was being sarcastic or he didn’t know… He said ” sorry” at the end almost to apologize for not knowing what she was talking about…

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    They’re both paid to write their opinion about Idol. Every year they will have some favorites, which they are allowed to have since its their opinion and all, and every year some fans get upset over it, claiming neither are “objective”. Only they are not supposed to be objective. They are supposed to be “biased”. Lyndsey at Yahoo catches that same criticism. It’s just a lot of butthurt to me.

    Slezak is my favorite because I like his writing style and his web show is entertaining.I like Shirley too, she’s a good writer and sometimes gets good interviews. She’s not as good at the on camera stuff though IMO.

  • Montavilla

    Speaking of Slezak, I became a fan of Tim’s personality after the Idolatry interview. Michael asked him about smiling when Simon was eviscerating him, and Tim said something like this: “I was just so happy to be performing that I couldn’t stop smiling.”

  • Tommyo2000

    Wow what a year and what a group of contestants … Michael Slezak took Jessica to task about her outfit for Proud Mary and you never heard a peep… She defended herself professionally during her interview with him … Never heard contestants taking on the press and judges… This group has a bad vibe to it…..

  • Tommyo2000

    You know what it is… Unlike prior years several contestents are not ready for prime time …

  • Montavilla

    Kristy Lee Cook.

  • mmb

    i liked the 4-7 & 9 semis the best as well…it definitely gives the audience more time to get to know people, and more time for the contestants to grow into themselves, overcome a bad week, and get comfortable prior to the finals. On the other hand it makes for a loooonnnggg build up to the finals.

  • jumpstart

    Based on (lack of) talent alone, I don’t see any future in music for Lazaro.

  • elliegrll

    As Slezak said, Tim Urban proved that he had good home training, or better than Kara and Simon did, by the way that he handled their criticism. Lazaro didn’t have to deal with anything close to what Tim dealt with. Both Kara and Simon talked down to him, and made some of the attacks personal.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    LOL I got quiet a number of down votes for posting my snowflake’s CHARITY events. CHARITY.lol

  • wordnerdarchie

    Haha, that’s REALLY LOW!

  • elliegrll

    I believe she’s talking about the poll that’s on the original thread about this subject. It’s been clear from the start that Angie is very competitive, even though she hasn’t done a lot to stand out from the pack, or show that she is a good strategist.

  • elliegrll

    Nah, Charlie would have been just as bad as Lazaro, because Charlie isn’t emotionally stable enough to handle American Idol.

  • Face

    LOL… it’s all getting a bit handbags at dawn isn’t it…

    by sending this tweet this Nick guy is only showing himself to be of questionable character also… IMO… all feels a bit like sour grapes & band wagon jumping… whatever Lazaro may have done or said…

  • Incipit

    The security of anonymity = Low – Heh.

    Anyone Downvoting a charity notice or an appearance notice makes a good case for not giving attention to any down votes. They are not even real as a commentary. Unless, of course, there’s a Grinch loose on the Blog. But they’re anonymous, so Whatev. *Snerk*

  • Face

    I agree… shows like AI need characters like Tim (and Lazaro)… otherwise it wouldn’t make it interesting for millions to watch week in week out for 4 months…

  • Montavilla

    I don’t have a problem with Shirley Halperin. But what I think works with Michael Slezak is that he knows he’s over-invested. That’s his schtick and he often makes fun of himself for being such a fanboy.

    Also, he’s helped immensely by Jason Averett’s editing, which becomes another character (along with Melinda Doolittle) in the Idology series. The editing often comments on how obsessed Michael is, or disagrees with his opinions, and sometimes enhances or undermines the “sting” of Michael’s criticisms.

    With Halperin, I don’t get this level of self-deprecation or humor. But I will say this, if Michael Slezak’s commentary appeared only in written form, I might not get the joke. Consequently, I might have a more negative attitude about what he does.

  • sdmama

    I fondly remember S8 for one of the most tightly bonded group of people, and we saw glimpse of them living together in a house. The producers wanted to have fights but unlucky for them, that did not happen.

    This season appears to be polar opposite and it is sad because it feels like the show became cheapened. I wonder what happened if the show had put them in a camp. Did they bond and form friendship instead, or the producer got the wish to see cat fight and back stubbing instead?

    Or, is it the sign of time that the younger generation grew up so used to accusing and insulting people in social media in public? In 5 years, this may become all white noise to the rest of us :(

  • Montavilla

    I like the Top 40 better than the Green Mile episode that it replaced. I felt like it served somewhat of the same purpose by setting up next year’s contestants. The ones who made Top 40 (but not Top 20) are eligible to compete again.

    So, we might see a couple of those guys again as next years Candice. (Or Colton Dixon or DeAndre Brackensick.) I’m liking this development of multi-season story arcs for contestants.

  • http://twitter.com/PerpetualAutumn Alison

    This year they were all given official twitter and facebook accounts by American Idol. Also, through the idolizer app, they are required to shoutout to a fan each week, which means they have to read through the (often negative) stuff they get on facebook. A few of the contestants and judges tweets have even been put on the screen during the show. I don’t see how any of them could have completely avoided the online drama, although you may not agree with the way they each personally respond to it.

  • Jordana33

    I agree. I love Slezak and Melinda because they tend to have a nice and somewhat humorous way of being critical; I don’t sense any malicious intent in their comments. They’re just honest and fair, and as others mentioned, he genuinely loves the show and doesn’t have the cynical approach to idol that other writers sometimes have. I also like the fact that he tries to give a voice to all the eliminated finalists, even the ones he’s not crazy about.

  • Incipit

    Li Wright, the advice given some seasons back was not to search themselves online – and there was no Twitter yet when this first occurred – they all have the option to use the internet, and probably ought to use it more for music, iTunes etc. (As in, who already sang that song you are considering Six Times Before on Idol! Ahem. But I digress.)

    Anyway, knowing that it’s Not a Good Idea for the contestants to Google themselves – the show still decided to set these hamsters up with facebook pages and twitter accounts, so they could attract more voting fans and help out the ratings – and maybe interact one on one with the cray cray, while they’re at it. Now suddenly that bit of ‘kindly’ advice turns rather hypocritical. Shock. Surprise.

  • Montavilla

    Interesting. I wonder if this bad attitude we’re glimpsing is an unintended result of the male/female Hollywood week split. The girls seem to be solid with each other, but the boys are more divided. (Although, tbh, we’re talking about a grand total of a half-dozen random comments and tweets.)

    Maybe some of the previous bonding is missing because the females and males on this season went through different experiences.

  • Jordana33

    All I keep thinking is that these guys are going to have to spend 3 months with him on a tour bus.

  • Face

    Slezak is obviously a huge fan of the show… and i agree that is endearing… and most of the time fun & entertaining to watch… but not when he is being so earnest & evangelical about pushing his agenda and little snowflake…
    but some contestants… the ones he is not invested in… do get the sharp edge of the wedge… for example, did you see the pasting Danny got in S8 (albeit mainly by Kirsten)… though thoroughly entertaining for someone like me who was completely neutral on Danny…
    I could see how it would be red rag to a bull for any fans… and feel unfair versus the praise at all costs someone like Allison got that season… even when she was considered by many to give a less than stellar performance…
    but other than that Idology and Slezak can be great… I prefer Jim C as he tends to takes the piss out of everything and everyone…

  • Karen C

    It might have been that the weaknesses with Lazaro might have started to show up sooner if there were more weeks of the semifinals.

  • escape

    Did that include Danny Gokey? Season 8 was probably the most intense when it came to fan wars.

  • mjsbigblog

    “Bias” = You don’t like my snowflake, basically.

  • DragonFly

    “I AM LAZARO…. I’m guilty of the same…”
    #1) Hooray for “some” unfiltered commenting–boring & predictable w/o it. You needn’t look far for examples of others who do it (guilty at times myself & not apologetic). Unfiltered means not according to “accepted” standards & holes can be poked in that theory. Some become famous for going against the grain (most comedians & many rich entertainers). Million $$ gig when some get away w/it.

    #2) “make excuses when I do something wrong” –a little of both for most people. Lazaro may seem “outstanding in (t)his field” here but it is not that uncommon to defend oneself–court scenes are proof of that. Some fights may be legit for him but he appears to “protest too much”. He imo again is neither horrid nor outstanding & should work w/it accordingly. Again, bashed too much though I feel.

    #3) Getting down arrows doesn’t make comments wrong. Would hardly be a discussion if EVEN MOST agreed w/a single viewpoint. You’re getting up arrows too–might want to value those also. Not one to enjoy defending my opinions either so for my own comfort I pick & choose when I’m willing to jump in.

    #4) Some of these other contestants willing to be @ the mic now may be in the state of “losing their 15 mins of fame now also” or the “still in the running contestants” trying to determine the popular-for-votes take on how they should respond. .

  • mjsbigblog

    Yep. ;)

  • girlygirl

    The thing for me about all this is, if just one person was making these kind of remarks about Lazaro, I could brush it off as sour grapes. Or even two people. But the fact that so many of them have negative things to say about the guy is very revealing. Whether they had problems with him from the start, or whether his ego just got totally out of control as he kept progressing through the rounds is the question I have.

    Either way, it’s going to make for a bit of an uncomfortable summer tour.

  • Montavilla

    I liked the Michael had Dave Karger on once to give a pro-Danny perspective. Plus, Kristen-With-Glasses was a staunch Danny fan. :)

  • Larc

    Maybe a lot of the difference between the guys and girls on Idol this season comes from the extreme imbalance. The guys competing against the girls was like a AA baseball team trying to play in the major leagues.

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    exactly. what bias can they possibly have? what interest in promoting one contestant over the other, except for personal taste? and i think that all 3 and you, MJ, have the ability to say either “this was a great performance from a contestant i don’t usually enjoy” or “this was not good, even though they’re my favorite” which is something that has to come with the job and just regular fans have a hard time doing. i know i do ;)

    if someone is consistently bad and Slezak mentions it every week because it’s true every week, why does it mean he is automatically biased? he is basing his opinion on the show… Candice Glover deserves all the praise she gets. at least that’s his OPINION AND TASTE. find a supporter of your snowflake and only read them. that’ll fight bias for sure…

    anyway,, that’s how i found MJ- Slezak didn’t like my Elise snowflake and MJ called her QUEEN. i didn’t bitch about on TVline, just said i disagreed sometimes. OMG, am i biased???

  • girlygirl

    Fan wars, yes. But none of the contestants ever said negative things about each other. If they didn’t like each other, they kept it to themselves. And they did genuinely seem like a tight knit group. Same thing with the S7 Top 10.

  • chillj

    This is hilarious.

  • CB40

    Lazaro, it’s time to abandon ship, you might get booed if you go on the tour, based on your horrible comments and attitude.

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    Kristen-With-Glasses!!!!!!!!!!! wow, i’m not gonna work today, just watch S8 idolatry from now on…

  • Face

    very true… if only Slezak would allow us to see those sort of humorous 2 sides for the contestants he’s really invested in…

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    it is long, but some of my favorite performances were on the smaller stage. it allowed for the intimate moments that you’ll never get on X factor. things like My Funny Valentine, Moody’s Mood For Love and i think all 3 Bo Bice semi-finales.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    At least you are self-aware. That is something Lazaro seems to be completely lacking.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Maybe he’ll get a modeling job?

  • Montavilla

    You mean, you’d want him to have on a guest to talk about how awful Crystal Bowersox, Haley Reinhart, or Allison Ireheta was? I can’t imagine that being very fun.*

    However, on occasion he and Melinda have disagreed and she’s raised an eyebrow at someone he raves about. She’s pretty nice about it, though.

    * Heh. Now I’m going to contradict myself. It might be fun to have someone take the role of anti-Michael and piss on all Michael’s favorites during the show. Maybe Michael could have Clay Aiken pop up to deliver the occasional devastating Celebrity Apprentice-type comment.

    Or even better, have Aubrey O’Day do it. Or maybe Lazaro could take on that role next season. :)

  • Karen C

    They also weren’t allowed to comment on social media while on the show back then. Though, even if they did, they had more professional experience and maybe knew not to feed into this sort of thing.

  • Karen C

    If there was any manipulation, I think it was to put the weaker guys through in order for a girl to win. Maybe even knowing that he would be the most popular guy of the ones they put through.

  • L.A.N

    This’s really entertaining, at lease ss12 is not boring.

    Do you guys remember Matheus Fernandes, the guy on the Glee project season 1 and audition AI this season??? Oh, I’d love to see Lazaro and Matheaus together. Better than SNL.

  • RockiDreams

    I find it refreshing that Lazaro expresses his opinion even if it is negative. Better than trying to give the impression of how they all hold hands, put flowers in their hair, and love one another. I don’t particularly think any of the contestants have that great of an attitude. Just an observation from the little I have seen of this season.

  • Miz

    I’ve seen a lot said about him. Pure or any other evil hasn’t been among those comments.

  • merkureye

    I take these commentators with a “grain of salt”. They are often wrong. I believe I recall Slezak and LParker raving about what a revelation Lazaro was during auditions. Not that I am an expert either but I thought Lazaro’s BOTW was only meh at that time. Slezak also gave his flower bouquet to Skylar Laine rather than to Elise Testone (what the . . .). I thought Skylar was shouty and pitchy throughout S11. Oh well.
    These commentaries have bias of course and they are subliminally trying to influence people to perceive things their way while also being entertaining but, that’s what makes this whole “blogging” thing fun is the differing opinions.
    Imo, I do not think Zlezak’s current favorite will be the next American Idol but we shall see.

  • Face

    all nice ideas… it would show he didnt take himself too seriously… and more importantly, they’d make it more entertaining… after all it’s just a reality tv show… he can be so earnest and off-putting like a preaching politician when he goes off on one about his perceived slights about his current pet contestants (to me at least)…
    but I’d settle for him just acknowledging…and it could be begrudgingly through interplay with Melinda… when his snowflakes do mediocre performances… which I seem to recall they all did…
    and I’d go as far to say it would be better if he didn’t feel the need to imply anyone who disagrees with him is a tasteless hack… but maybe that’s just me ;)

  • http://twitter.com/lucy__luz rodavlaS eaM zuL

    this season is the most boring season ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • taylor

    It’s not the polar opposite of season 8 or any other season, except for Lazaro. Everyone else gets along. It’s obvious that Lazaro is the one everyone has problems with.

  • DragonFly

    May be a chicken sh*t way of posting but I mostly prefer like many I think just using a love it or leave it pt. of view/opinion. You can surely expect some won’t agree but not all should come down to post-to-post rebuttals–I try to make irritating but necessary, frequent use of imo & lol…., lol. I do agree tho that ridiculous down arrows are sometimes appearing as “voting AGAIN” against this or that Idol & who needs that (or against posters who may have along the way “pushed someone’s buttons”). Obvious, when posts may only be about an upcoming event for someone or passing on info. I think by now we are all overlooking some of them as coming from chronic “blips” that just “can’t let it go”. Will say I have made use of them & they are handier than getting in a big discussion where my feelings come from vs others– but would be nice if we could eliminate at least the senseless use of them. Most of the time it’s difficult using up OR down as the post goes into multiple topics—LOL

  • abbysee

    One butthurt tweet defines a person? Then most idols are assholes!

  • taylor

    He’s way too short and “hippy”. The flop sweat would also be a problem.

  • elliegrll

    After Lazaro’s audition episode, Slezak noted backstories like Lazaor’s make for great television, and that none of Lazaro’s bullies could take away the moment that he received his ticket to Hollywood. But, he also intimated that that should be the end of it. He was never a cheerleader for Lazaro, or acted like he should advance any further based mainly on his sob story.

  • merkureye

    Oh, okay. I may have overstated Slezak’s support for
    Arbos. I just went on my memory. Thank you.

  • Incipit

    Not without a personal trainer – as Taylor points out – the physique needs help – plus that profession can give everyone body image problems – Arbos has enough to handle, IMO.

  • standtotheright

    Well, my thing is, this blog worked just fine for years without people being able to downvote posts when they disagreed. If lurkers didn’t agree but didn’t want to explain, they just ignored the post and moved on. Maybe they found another comment that encapsulated the argument they weren’t articulating and upvoted that. Or maybe the fact that not everyone upvoted a post was an indication in and of itself that its logic wasn’t universally received. But at this point, if someone downvotes without engaging, my default assumption is that they *are* “chronic blips” and so I’m likelier to keep up with that line of commenting in the future instead of tempering my arguments. Which improves things for no one.

    In short, if we ever get a fix to deal with the 100+-comment hiccups, I hope the option to turn off downvoting comes with it.

  • MyDailyComment

    She liked all her outfits..

  • Incipit

    “…at this point, if someone downvotes without engaging, my default assumption is that they *are* “chronic blips”

    Heh. “chronic blips’ – I like that. Yes. And for all the reasons you stated, standtotheright, I would like to see that ‘feature’ turned off –

    Also, if people weren’t willing to have a conversation, they’d be on Twitter instead of here – and that arrow system discourages posting, just as Disqus, Master of Confusion, (or Hiccups, if you prefer) discourages a lot of interaction. IMO. Of Course.

  • Kitwana

    MJ, your comment made my point.

    My point is that with the possible exception of Rickey and more recently Shirley Halperin, people do not call out “professional” idol commentators on their bias. Why not? Is it because they, unlike all other Idol fans, do not have favorites and do try to support their favourites through their blogs like all other fans? I doubt it. Like someone pointed out, these people are paid to express an opinion. Opinions are inherently based on some bias. If you follow these bloggers, it is clear every season who their favorites are. It is also clear that they make a point of supporting their favorites and attacking those they do not. Nothing wrong with that. All fans do the same. The question is, why can’t their bias be called out. Because they’re professionals? Because their opinions are somehow more valid and cannot be motivated by bias? I doubt it. I’m pretty sure a number of their posts would be challenged if made on mjsbigblog. Some of Lyndsay’s or Slezak’s would probably be deleted after moderation :)

    In my opinion, what is even worse than not challenging these professional idol commentators for their bias is attacking those who dare to challenge the bias of Slezak or Halperin as being themselves biased. C’mon! Even if people criticise Halperin because they are upset that Halperin does not like their “snowflake”, this does not change the fact that Halperin may in fact be biased. For example, in recent years, nobody has seriously disputed that Shirley Halperin is a huge David Cook fan and that this does colour her writing.

    To me, there is no reason why we should not be criticising the opinions and bias of Slezak and Halperin in the same way we criticise the opinions of Glamberts and Claymates or any other over-invested fan. Nobody has given me a good reason, unless we accept that they do not have bias or create the appearance of bias.

    MJ, if you set up a post dissecting and critically evaluating the weekly posts of Slezak, Halperin, Rickey or Jambajim, I’m pretty sure it would get lots of hits. Be the first one to review and comment on your fellow bloggers opinions and you will have a sure-fire hit on mjsbigblog. You could be the “Reliable Sources” of the idol world (although Howard Kurtz would probably take issue with you using that name lol).

  • lovesickheroine

    Woah! I don’t know if this is fake or one of the contestants wrote this. A lot of juicy stuff in this comment (it came from the TVLine comments section) pic.twitter.com/g1NkWoAeMX

  • Guest

    wait, WHAT? no way that’s real. right MJ?

  • b_james

    Wow wow wow. He’s just the gift that keeps on giving.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    The bottom line for Lazaro is – HE’S NOT READY FOR THIS.

    There is some vocal potential there that if he got training could be improved greatly. But that would take discipline, something he seems to lack. I mean, he can’t even be bothered to remember lyrics and doesn’t seem to think that’s a problem.

    Lazaro lacks the maturity and the work ethic to make it in the entertainment business right now. Both can be worked on if he’s willing. But as of now, he’s quickly eroding any good will (and forward momentum) he got from being on the show with every interview.

    Ask ANY Idol that has managed to carve out a career in entertainment post show. Everyone will take you that the show and the tour was a CAKE WALK compared to the work they have to put in in the REAL WORLD. Now Lazaro couldn’t handle the show, he sure as hell isn’t going to handle the real world.

  • http://twitter.com/hovIand Vetle Hovland

    Tim Urban actually got better towards the end of his run too. His performances of “Hallelujah” (while it wasn’t GREAT), “All My Loving” and especially “Can’t Help Falling In Love With You” were so much better than any of Lazaro’s.

    I would actually have preferred to have him outlast both Aaron Kelly and Mike Lynch, when he already made the top 7.

  • http://twitter.com/IkeMendes Henrique Mendes

    His fans call themselves Lazis? That name makes me very uncomfortable

  • MV007

    It doesn’t just make me uncomfortable. It’s offensive.

  • MV007

    I’d rather they didn’t lie to us.

  • Xentusk

    People forget, Slezak HATED Haley at the beginning of S10, called her Scarnato and hated her growl on God Bless the Child. After Pia’s elimination was when he started warming up to her. Now he still has her on his Twitter acct. two years later Just goes to show that Michael doesnt always stick to his snowflake, and does change his mind as the contestant evolves

  • merkureye

    That post was not made by a contestant. Jimmy can sign Amber win or lose. He most likely will. I don’t believe the judges do Iovine’s bidding especially after Nicki told him on live TV that he didn’t know what he was talking lol.

  • Indigobunting

    Oh, I agree 100%. I don’t find anything really professional about Slezak’s (or Shirley or Lyndsey for that matter) critiques. If you read a lot of professional music journalists whose job is to critique music I think the difference is clear. Although they have their bias, it isn’t quite so glaring/fannish. Slezak is a paid blogger and AI fanboy, plain and simple and I see nothing wrong with criticizing the job he does either-comes with the territory.

    Now, I don’t mind Slezak as much as the other two because he makes it ENTERTAINING, lol. Parker and Halperin just make me laugh, and I rarely pay attention to their cloying sentiments. But Slezak is smart and funny so I enjoy his schtick, even as I roll my eyes about his fanboying. Yes, he makes fun of his own fandom but it can still go overboard (I still remember the Allison Iraheta stuff, yikes-like she was the second coming of Janis Joplin or something-it got old).

  • Rami H

    What does that have to do with this post ???

  • Kitwana

    Yep. Slezak has his snowflakes. Yet nobody would ever think of dismissively referring to his comments as being motivated by favoritism/bias towards his “snowflake”. I bet the idiot who came up with the tired “snowflake” metaphor had his/her own snowflake(s).

  • Indigobunting

    True, although even in S8 many tried to claim certain contestants hated each other, which later became pretty obviously not the case.

    Why? Human nature. People like drama, backstabbing etc I think. Many are happy with Lazaro’s comments because they add ‘spice’ to a boring season. Not saying I’m not guilty of chuckling at drama, but I am saying that I bet the producers do encourage it.

  • Montavilla

    I’m not even sure Michael has a favorite this season. Melinda has been Candice all the way since the finals started, but Michael has given kudos to all the girls — and he’s not liked every performance that Candice or Kree has given. He gave Candice a B for one performance and Melinda took him to task for it.

    Of course, she’s my special snowflake this year, so I remember that. But I don’t actually disagree with him. For anyone else, it would have been a solid A performance. For Candice, it was a B. :)

  • Montavilla

    I didn’t mind Skylar getting the flowers. She was his favorite. But I did think that Joshua should have gotten a box of chocolates from Melinda or something. She’s the co-host and she should be able to gift her favorite if they differ.

  • Montavilla

    I quite agree. In addition, Slezak warned that if Lazaro were put through, what would happen is exactly what did happen: that Lazaro would last beyond his performance level and eventually become a punching bag on the web when he started out taking out better singers.

  • DragonFly

    I see more of just “like/not like” opinions in many posts & they aren’t looking to sway anyone to think differently necessarily. Many things posted are simple, & don’t look for argument which then an arrow works. I like that harido, that outfit, that song, pitchy or no? are opinions that won’t be solved w/further argument. If it’s more complicated (or care to) I see people explaining their disagreement. I can exist w/o arrows also.

  • Incipit

    “… Slezak warned that if Lazaro were put through, what would happen is exactly what did happen: that Lazaro would last beyond his performance level and eventually become a punching bag on the web when he started out taking out better singers.”

    So, Slezak coud predict this – other people also were aware what would happen, and said so – Logical conclusion – Idol PTB also knew what would happen when they kept putting him through, before it even came to an audience vote… And they didn’t care – it was just the mid card he would be tearing up. They thought it was “Good TV”.

    It’s either they didn’t care, or they are too incompetent to operate a lemonade stand. Take your pick.
    IMO.

  • roaringpen

    Wow, I don’t know that I have ever seen so much back stabbing from the contestants towards a fellow contestant. Although Lazaro sure seems to be a prick, the back stabbers look pretty bad to me too. These are not people that have the luxury of saying or doing something that looks bad. Lazaro is his own worst enemy, But the AI12 cast negative commenters are not doing themselves any favors – imho.

  • LeahKittyS

    He’s all set there. His boyfriend, Ronnie Barcena, is a model/personal trainer; he can help him out.

  • roaringpen

    NOT making excuses for Lazaro, he has a real attitude problem. But I’m very curious about the origin of his stutter. Was it from a head injury or was he born with it?

  • voicesinmyhead

    All I can say about Lazaro is treat others the way you would want to be treated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    If people didn’t have their snowflakes, Idol-related sites would have much less traffic.

  • girlygirl

    Halperin is just as biased about her favorite contestants as Slezak is about his. It can get a bit tiring to see articles/interviews that are supposed to be about one Idol/ex-Idol peppered with references to the reporter’s special snowflake.

    I’ve gotten used to them doing this over the years, though, and for the most part, they have remained professional and respectful when they interview any of the contestants, even when they aren’t their personal favorites.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aleeatorio Alexandre Oliveira

    So tired of Lazaro

  • girlygirl

    they should have stuck to the not letting the contestants on twitter until after the season rule that they had in S8 and (I think) S9. I know they are trying to build a twitter fanbase for the contestants over the course of the season, but aside from Angie and Lazaro, that doesn’t seem to be working. And meanwhile, we have all the backbiting and the contestants being annoying by re-tweeting every compliment they get (which is a sign of a big ego, in my opinion; at the very least, it’s annoying)

  • Happyhexer

    Normally, I would agree with you. But silence is not always golden. Sometimes it is more important to speak out about dysfunctional situations/relationships rather than suffering in silence. It takes away some of the power of the person who creates the dysfunctionality by shining a light on the situation. I am not necessarily talking about Lazaro here. But when someone creates that level of dissension among that many people, it may be defensible to speak up.

  • Happyhexer

    Why is anyone who disagrees with a post required to put the time and effort in to argue with the poster’s position or defend their own views? Time is valuable; In most cases, the poster would just move on, in the absence of the time-saving down arrow. One cannot infer anything from the lack of a post engaging with the original poster — perhaps they didn’t feel strongly enough or have time to engage.

    That said, let me be clear: I don’t like the down arrows and prefer they would go away.

  • madmike2276

    I disagree. Lazaro has demonstrated that he not only can not put on an entertaining show, he even stated in an interview that he has trouble with choreography (and AI choreography is beyond basic). Couple that with…and I’m going to be honest here, his stuttering – it will limit his marketing opportunities, as he will have trouble booking talk shows to promote his work. Lastly. he has done little to endear himself to the public; the more he speaks the less people like or empathize with him. That is a HUGE problem for him and any label he may sign with. He’s a cute kid, but there are cuter, younger and more talented kids out there.

  • Happyhexer

    I understand, wordnerarchie! I have seen down arrows on posts like that (appearance notices), as well as the charity posts Nadine-Bitch references. And that is another reason not to take down arrows seriously. The first time I got one, to what I thought was a fairly innocuous post, I was like, “Huh?” Then I decided, “OK, need to make like a duck and let the water roll off my back.” I posted in the first place because I didn’t want LeahKittyS to feel bad because she has received down arrows. I don’t want her to view a down arrow as legitimate criticism (that would require a post of explanation, as standtotheright suggests), but at best a quick expression of disagreement, and at worst, a kind of anonymous “stirring the pot.”

  • justmefornow

    Down votes, lol. The whole thing is ridiculous.
    I’m sure to get at least 1 down vote on anything I post regardless of what the subject is or the thread.

    And I’ve actually gotten shout outs on twitter referencing the name I use ONLY here and about comments made here on fake twitter accounts.

    If it wasn’t so pathetic, it would actually be funny.

  • madmike2276

    The problem is, he is so off putting in so many different areas with his actions and what he says that most will not listen to him to hear that message. If he truly wants to be an inspiration and sincerely wants to get that message across he has to learn to muzzle the snarkyness.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    They were given Twitter and Facebook during the show since season 9. There have been some “awkward” tweets from some Idol or other, but I don’t recall this kind of dissing of other contestants or so much defensiveness.

  • pilot36

    The Lazis have gone rabid on Nick on twitter.
    Very reminiscent of the beliebers attacking Drake Bell…and just as hilarious.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-best-drake-bell-comebacks

  • pilot36

    One girl told Nick to “Do us all a favor and just die.”

    Because the love of Lazaro Arbos is a Shakespearean “do you bite your thumb at me, sir” kind of epicness.

  • Miz

    Am I missing something? Why is that offensive?

  • Axxxel

    Slezak’s recap is just a lot of fun to watch… even if he does not always support my favorite snowflake that much and is sometimes very biased… (Allison Iraheta – season 8 – anyone ?)…

  • alt28023

    Nazis

  • Incipit

    Miz, change the “L” to an “N” – It can certainly be regarded as offensive, since it is a sound alike for a group that most people would not want the faintest association with.

    Of course, now I read how some of them are acting on Twitter – Geebus.

    This person makes me very tired.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    that’s pretty funny!

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I don’t understand what you are saying here. People challenge these writer’s opinions all the time, right in the comments sections of their articles! Every last one of those bloggers have been discussed at length here before as well. Allso, mj already makes a ‘what the critics say” blog post, right? Anything that doesn’t come out the next day appears in the headlines thread eventually so people often comment there. And also, this part:

    “it is clear every season who their favorites are. It is also clear that they make a point of supporting their favorites and attacking those they do not.”

    Do they “attack”, or do they just say they don’t like so-and-so and here’s why? I get that sometimes folks don’t like to hear negative opinions or snark about their faves, but that is not the same as “attacking” them, nor is anyone not liking your fave doing so out of a rivalry with their fave.

    I’m not saying everyone needs to like or respect Shirley or Lyndsey or Slezak or whoever, I just don’t know what else is supposed to be done? These guys write their opinions, folks have a billion places to react to them. Short of making them write in some very narrow specific style that offends no one (which would still offend someone, and be boring to boot LOL) there really is nothing else that can transpire.

    Honestly I think this all stems from the idea that these people have some kind of influence over the public, and fans want to make everyone who they think can hurt their favorite only write nice things, or at least couch the bad things in cotton. That is not actually going to happen. Ever. Its just not real life, you know? At least I don’t think so. But what do I know.

  • LeahKittyS

    So his heart is in the right place, even if his mouth so often isn’t.

  • LeahKittyS

    I know I said I would be done after my confession, but there’s one last thing I want to add. Nick’s tweet is the first negative comment from a contestant about Lazaro’s ATTITUDE. All the shade the others threw at him appeared to be strictly about his PERFORMANCES. Angie’s favorite tweets, Curtis calling him out for messing up, Devin’s comment that a girl was going to win after Burnell was booted…none of them called Lazaro a bad person, just a bad singer.

    And I don’t think all of the others hate him. Amber is not the only one who is in pictures with him; Angie, Candice, Devin and Paul were all willing to pose with him, Candice fairly recently. He would watch movies with the others and join in on group prayer circles and heart-to-hearts. And Angie and Janelle have both reached out to him sweetly on Twitter, calling him “boo” and adding hearts. They aren’t the types to pose. He may have beef with Curtis and Burnell now, which would make sense after all that went down, but I don’t think Amber is his only friend there.

  • LeahKittyS

    That comment has bird poop written all over it. (What? Everybody says bull poop, I’m shaking things up.) Candice and I think Amber have both denounced it on Twitter.

  • madmike2276

    Please explain how Nick calling Lazaro (correctly) disrespectful is being a back stabber. Lazaro, coming on AI “not to win a talent show, but to start a career” then proceeding to insult the judges, the contestants (with his lack of preparation), Jimmy, and the show in general is ok?

  • madmike2276

    I figured it was pronounced lazy’s, like most of his performances and his effort.

  • LeahKittyS

    ETA: Oh! Take a look at this! Nick tweeted this after the Top 10 was announced. “Hugs to my pals @JanelleAI12 @BurnellAI12 @DevinAI12 @KreeAI12 @CandiceAI12 @PaulJolleyAI12 @AngieAI12 @CurtisAI12 @AmberAI12 @LazaroAI12!” And he tagged ALL 10 of them. So maybe he sees that there is some good in Lazaro, when he’s not badmouthing the people in charge? Right now he’s insisting that his recent comment about Lazaro was not meant to be hateful.

  • Kitwana

    Yes, MJ posts blogs from Idol bloggers but I seldom see those blogs critically evaluated in the same way as those of posters on this site. I certainly don’t see those bloggers’ posts condescendingly dismissed as being based on their support for their “snowflake”. Yet we all seem to agree that they have their snowflakes.

    I agree that we all don’t need to like Slezak and Halperin. My original point is just that they and their posts should be treated in the same way as the posts of any other fan. So, the next time Slezak goes off on one of his rants because he believes his favorite was “bussed”, I want MJ to say that he’s upset because the judges did not like his “snowflake”. Or say “It’s just a lot of butthurt”. Like I said, that sort of dismissive comment seems to be reserved for fans and Rickey. If you’re going to use the “snowflake” language, use it for everyone. Personally, I think that word should be retired because it seems to be a lazy way to respond to an opposing view without providing a substantive response and seldom advances the discussion in a material way.

  • abbysee

    That’s just a reach don’t you think?

  • Incipit

    abbysee – A short “a” or a long “a” make all the difference in pronunciation, One would be a reach, and one would not. This likely never occurred to whoever coined the fan group name, people who may not be of an age to have encountered much World History wouldn’t think of it. . IDK when they teach it in schools nowadays – or even IF they teach it.

    I don’t think the fans call themselves The Lazies. So the short “a” in Lazis matches Nazis, and to someone sensitive to the word to start with – obviously, not a reach at all.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I did see that and replied to Nick that it is best to just ignore foolish and stupid comments.

  • mjsbigblog

    I think it’s a HUMUNGOUS reach. The two words rhyme, but so do lots and lots and lots of words. It’s meaningless.

  • mjsbigblog

    FAKETY FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKETY FAKETY FAKE.

    Did I say? Fake? Yes. FAKE.

  • Montavilla

    I have to apologize. I thought that Slezak predicted it, but I went through all the Idology episodes and he didn’t actually say it. He predicted that it would happen to Charlie if Charlie made the finals.

    But Slezak did call out Lazaro for his bad performances (with faint praise for his okay ones). Melinda was more inclined to cut Lazaro slack for his backstory.

  • Montavilla

    They don’t even rhyme, since “Lazis” would most likely be pronounced with a soft z sound, as in “Lazaro.” If it were pronounced with a hard z to rhyme with “Nazi,” then it should be spelled “Lazzi.” Which, incidentally, is a term from Comedia dell’arte, meaning a short comedy gag.

  • Incipit

    Well, I’m not sensitive to the word – I can even post about Camera Nazis at a concert without invoking Godwin’s Law.

    Not so for the two other posters upthread – but since I have no idea what in their personal history makes that resonance for them – I would hesitate to say they were reaching. The weight on a word doesn’t always make sense to those who don’t feel it, I think.

    JMO.

  • taylor

    They two words don’t even rhyme.
    The word Nazis had the ah sound for the a and the t sound for the z, as in Naht-zis.
    I’ve never heard Lazaro’s fanbase referred to as Laht-zis. Lazis are pronounced with a true short a sound and an s sound for the z.

  • Incipit

    Ok. Correction noted, Montavilla…but I think it’s only a difference in degree, not in kind – since Slezak predicted it would happen with Charlie, and the motives of the voters would have been coming from the same instinct to protect, and TPTB would still have known the power of that backstory.

    Also, the voters who did Not put Charlie on the Tour perceived his vulnerability because of Idol’s edit – and did not see the drawbacks to Arbos, because TPTB didn’t want to emphasize them.

    So I think the choice remains the same. I also think TPTB are callous bastages – but it’s “nothing personal, just business”. IMO.

  • Tips_y

    Was not a fan of Tim Urban but one thing I can say about him, he didn’t sing bad notes in bucketful like Lazaro did.

  • http://twitter.com/noanaaman Noa Na’aman

    yeah, but it’s NOT that word… as someone who IS sensitive to it, “Lazis” didn’t even remind me of it. and even if it did- come on… i can’t be offended by a rhyme. it’s obvious he chose it just because of his own name. i mean really- do we really need to make up reasons to criticize Lazaro? how unnecessary.

  • Incipit

    I figure “We” don’t have to do anything about Arbos, Noa Na’aman, I would be perfectly happy to ignore him. But I don’t tell people what they are permitted to bothered by. I’m not even gonna go there.

    If the posters who were offended care to address this further, that’s up to them – all I did was answer a question from Miz, who is likely sound asleep by now. And I am resuming my position of indifference to anything regarding Arbos. No matter how bored I get by this season. Heh.

  • http://twitter.com/thieenaan Grace Chau

    Yeah sure. We won’t soon forget him. He needs to learn some attitude

  • http://twitter.com/thieenaan Grace Chau

    I wonder what Lazaro would be if Simon was still on the show?

  • standtotheright

    Like I said, that sort of dismissive comment seems to be reserved for fans and Rickey.

    Because Slezak and Halperin and Parker do not derail entire comment sections with their feelings. Or refuse to take anything another critic says seriously because said critic was slightly snarky about their favorite once. None of them do that; instead they’ve appeared together at roundtables. Yes, they have biases; they are columnists, not reporters. But they don’t look for each individual slight; they find patterns. People have the opportunity to debate the evidence for those patterns by responding to them in the critics’ thread. Or tweeting them!
    I cannot remotely equate the kind of coverage that they provide to the show to the level of points-scoring that some fans engage in on fan sites and in comments sections, and I don’t see how anyone could.

  • standtotheright

    In most cases, the poster would just move on, in the absence of the time-saving down arrow

    Which is what I think they should do. If someone doesn’t feel strongly enough about something to debate the point, then why bother registering disagreement at all? I admit I use upvotes to save time because I don’t see the point in repeating an argument, but I’d rather have neither than people who won’t challenge me.

  • standtotheright

    I like that harido, that outfit, that song, pitchy or no? are opinions that won’t be solved w/further argument

    Well, pitch is objectively measurable, but as for the rest, I agree sometimes they are simply differences of opinion. So why bother downvoting them at all? What will it accomplish? “Gee, 11 people downvoted me; I guess I was wrong to think that outfit was a hot mess!”* No, that doesn’t happen. It just creates an atmosphere of “nanny nanny boo boo.”

    I am glad that so many of us would be willing to get rid of them.

    *Unless I were personally willing to explain why I felt that way, I wouldn’t post about someone’s outfit in the first place. FTR.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    You said that better than I could standtotheright. So I’m just gonna shut up now. LOL

  • emme1000

    Actually, yes. It belies her true self. The tweets from the others, specially Candace are not like Amber’s.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I agree. TBH, the connection never occurred to me.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “P.S. Lazaro Tweeted this today:”Never again I’m going to respond to drama or negative comments #lazis don’t deserve that they deserve the best from me :)”"

    OK, Laz. Then stop being a disrespectful jerk and act like someone who should be admired and respected by young people. So far, all you’ve done is erode any positive impression that people had of you at the beginning of your Idol run.

  • emme1000

    I wonder if the Idol producers are regretting their decision to allow twitter accounts?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    lol Not surprisingly, Nick and Lazaro no longer follow each other on twitter.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Laz and Nick have stopped following each other on twitter. Big surprise! lol

  • Kitwana

    I guess you see the posters on mjsbigblog differently than I do. Sure some fans engage in “points scoring” but I find that most fans on this site are very reasonable and provide good, albeit strongly worded critiques of comments by others. In contrast, I think that Slezak, Halperin and Parker would have long been placed on moderation if they said on Mjsbigblog what they say on their own blogs. Parker would probably be banned. But you may disagree and see their “fan girling/boying” as something different from what fans on this site do. They are “professionals”. I’ll take Tinawina’s lead and shut up now.

  • LeahKittyS

    Well, maybe this is a sign that there’s a public apology coming. It would be in everybody’s best interest if he did, if only to save face.

  • abbysee

    That’s extremely harsh, but if you dislike someone, even without good reason, common sense doesn’t prevail. I don’t know if Amber is a nice person, or if her association with Lazaro makes her an ass as well, however one errant comment about someone she felt insulted by, no matter how misguided, isn’t particularly telling imho.

  • Lexee234

    Nick and Curtis need to be careful. This was Nick’s second time not making the Top 10. I think the reason is bigger than Lazaro. Nick sounded very pitchy to me in a performance or two and wasn’t getting through regardless of Lazaro. As for Curtis, there was very little love for him and it wasn’t because Lazaro was getting all of it. If I recall, people felt Curtis had an ego and was due for an awakening. As for Lazaro, he’s had his 15 minutes and I’m glad he enjoyed that very brief moment of camera time because, thankfully, we’ll be seeing very little of him from here on out. Even legitimately talented contestants on past seasons didn’t endure despite their popularity. I wish he were more grateful for the opportunity and was a bigger person about how it all turned out, but it’s said that people’s true colors shine through when they step out of the spotlight. Touche.

  • Lexee234

    I agree completely, but then again a lot of them have been disrespectful. I’m really disappointed that so many of them are speaking out publicly against one another. It speaks volumes to me about their lack of character. I don’t recall the animosity being quite so obvious on other seasons and we’ve had some contestants get passes over more talented contestants before.

  • Lexee234

    We’d never have known who Lazaro was because he’d never have had screen time.

  • emme1000

    I actually think it says quite a lot about some one and their upbringing. I think it says a lot that Candace has been kind and supportive and Amber’s comments have been more “hot” just saying.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Thing is, it appears that a group of contestants are speaking out against the same person and not each other. My comments about being disrespectful especially apply to Lazaro’s trashing of the judges and Jimmy. Instead of recognizing that he should take their comments seriously and try to improve, he simply regards any negative comment as originating from “haters” and, therefore, without merit. He can’t distinguish between valid criticism and unfounded negative comments, and just lumps them all into the same category.

    I don’t know why he does this. It could be because he’s actually terrified and needs to have some mechanism to prevent a total meltdown, or he lacks self-awareness and perspective or is misguided and overly influenced by his fans in regarding anyone who criticizes him as “bullies”, or something else. It really doesn’t matter at this point because the more Lazaro talks and shows his behavior, the more he shows that he is not someone to be admired or respected, and is a poor role model for anyone, let alone someone who has a speech impediment or other disability.

  • Lexee234

    You make very valid points. I think Lazaro’s in way over his head in so many respects. Maybe we, the public, are partly responsible for his over-inflated ego. After all, we’re the ones who continually voted him in and the judges are the ones who weren’t harsh with him until the very end when it became crucial to do so to maintain any credibility. His recent comments (particularly re Jimmy Yikes!) and behavior aren’t going to do him any favors in the industry. Hopefully all this talk of offers pouring in is just an attempt to save face.

  • http://twitter.com/IkeMendes Henrique Mendes

    I was not offended by it. I said that it made me uncomfortable, but i think I should have said instead it made me cringe‚ thats it. Didn’t want to start this whole discussion on it.

    But seeing that so many people guessed what I meant by it‚ judging that i didn’t mention why it made me uncomfortable‚ shows that it wasn’t such a big reach.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501792265 James M. Davis

    Lazaro is a hack with delusions, but here’s the thing. The real villains are the producers who allowed him past hollywood.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Lazaro could be referring to non-contestants at Idol, or contestants who aren’t in the top 10.

  • ohreli

    I agree that you are not talking about Lazaro here. I am.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Who are the “several” contestants who are “backstabbing these contestants”, and are they making comments about contestants other than Lazaro? If so, would you please post their comments and the links? I totally disagree with blaming Nick Boddington for his comments about Lazaro, and feel that it’s completely misguided to try to hurt him. It’s Lazaro who has made a joke of Idol this year, and his continuing disrespectful and delusional comments are only showing how pathetic he is.

  • http://twitter.com/MusickMakes MusickMakes

    Haha those Diva tantrums between the guys this year. Hardly anything from the girls