The New York Times Throws Fuel on the Fire of Crazy Idol Fan Conspiracy Theories

ETAA:Â   Hey IDFers, it never even occurred to me to pitch this story to the NY Post. Because, I think it’s a non-story.

ETA: Holy Cow. Check out this thread at Idol Forums.   Some Adam fans have been keeping themselves busy harassing contacting media outlets, making them aware of all their crazed conspiracy theories.   Serious LOlz if this Times story was prompted by a Claymate-like email campaign…   The kids at IDF are sure taking credit for it…

And now, from the “Oh No They Di’int” department:

The New York Times has thrown it’s ‘mighty reporting weight behind…Idol Fan Conspiracy Theories!

I mean, I wasn’t the least bit surprised when Extra TV wondered if   Idol votes were legit (and still quoting the 38 million votes out of Arkansas story days after it had been debunked…)

But the New York Times?   Really?   Here’s a snip of their breathless reporting on this oh-so-important subject:

LOS ANGELES à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  AT&T, one of the biggest corporate sponsors of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idol,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  might have influenced the outcome of this yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s competition by providing phones for free text-messaging services and lessons in casting blocks of votes at parties organized by fans of Kris Allen, the Arkansas singer who was the winner of the show last week.

Representatives of AT&T, whose mobile phone network is the only one that can be used to cast à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  votes via text message, provided the free text-messaging services at two parties in Arkansas after the final performance episode of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  last week, according to the company and people at the events.

If the Times writer had any sense of Idol history, he’d know that AT&T rep-attended Idol parties have been going on for years.   I remember hearing about reps helping Elliot Yamin and Taylor Hicks fans text back in Season 5.

The Times goes on to note that “there appears to have been no similar efforts to provide free texting services to supporters of Adam Lambert, who finished as the runner-up to Mr. Allen.”

Appears to have been? Did the Times reporter even attempt to check it out?   And even if there were no AT&T reps present at any Adam Lambert viewing parties, I don’t think we’ve got a story here unless it’s proven that AT&T willfully avoided helping out the fans of other Idol contestants.

It’s business as usual for Idol sponsors, AT&T, who attend these Idol viewing parties hoping to sell more phone services.   No big conspiracy theories here.   And anyway, I highly doubt a couple of phone salespeople showing some Kris Allen fans how to text vote made a difference in last week’s results.

But, now that the Times has covered it, watch as this non-story explodes on the news cycle in the next couple of days…

  • anemicandholding

    I saw this story two days ago, and haven’t heard a peep from the media otherwise since.

  • sidewalk

    Hopefully the media doesn’t fuel the fire on this one. They’re whining more than enough already without adding this into it.

  • http://absinthedreamers.blogspot.com/ Starrlight

    Wow. Talk about old news. And we had a nom to the Supreme Court today so we can’t call it a slow news day. Poor Kris. He won. Let him enjoy it.

  • kate09

    I love Adam, thought he deserved the title, but he’s going to be a mega star regardless & I am certain he isn’t interested in articles like this, so neither am I.

    I do hate it that you can only text with AT&T. I think since anyone with a landline can vote, anyone with a cell should be able to text. Texting seems to be the way to power vote. I mean what if only people who drove Fords could vote? I get that they have to promote those who sponsor them, but I think they should do away with text votes, or allow anyone with a cell, regardless of their carrier, to text their votes.

  • CindyM

    I hope they don’t, I’m an ADAM fan big time and I don’t know if I’ve just resigned myself to his loss, but I’m over it already. Kris won the title, he’ll have the burden of having “the american idol” before his name forever and I think he’ll do great at it. I just want to enjoy Adam and I’m thinking HOPEFULLY he’ll get to be a bit more creative without the title.

  • New York Avon Lady

    It gets better every day. Will they de-throne Kris, or perhaps have another night of voting so AT&T can make even more money off us. I couldn’t get through for Adam that night at all, nothing but busy signals.

  • undercooked

    The only good thing that will come out of this, I hope, is that they will limit the number of calls per device. How about 100 votes per device.

    I don’t know about you folks, but I”m tired of having to vote for 2 to 4 hours straight. Can you imagine how much more free time we would all have if we could wrap up our voting in 10 mintues. I’m sure we would all have cleaner houses, be less cranky at work on Wednesday mornings and we wouldn’t suffer arm cramps.

  • mgk

    Why are they doing this? It’s over, and Kris won. I was disappointed, but that was last week, and Kris doesn’t deserve to have his win tainted like this. They’ve pretty much been treated like co-winners anyway.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    Every time someone brings up these conspiracy theories somewhere (that have happened every. single. year), I want to say…”are you new?” but felt mean about it.

    I heart you, mj. You are like a battle-hardened veteran, and it’s only been four(?) years! Think of how much fun it will be when you have to explain it again next year!

    ETA: It’s been four, I think

  • http://myspace.com/pm68 Pam

    Poor Kris. He won. Let him enjoy it.

    I couldn’t agree more.

  • kate09

    undercooked, I agree about limiting the voting time. Why four hours? I am sure they do it so they can say ‘Almost 100 million votes were cast…’

    In addition to a Supreme Court nom being named today, the CA Supreme Court upheld Prop 8, & this is what the NY Times is reporting on?

  • AC

    Damn, they need to let it go. Also, maybe it’s just me, but I always hated the idea of watch parties because I always thought it does the opposite of what its trying to accomplish. I can’t call or text or whatever when people are around you and I don’t imagine them sitting in silence for the 2 or 4 hours voting straight. I remember one of the entertainment shows would try to throw a watch party for a different contestant every week and the only thing it did was cause their elimination. After a few weeks, they stopped when they realized it was counterproductive.

  • hollygo9

    Aw, NYT needs someone to call the wah-bulance. Adam lost the popular vote, get over it.

  • adh1018

    Poor Kris. He won. Let him enjoy it.

    This.

    It’a a shame that a media outlet like the NY Times would run with a story like this.

    Let Kris have his moment. He EARNED it

  • anemicandholding

    Deleted.

  • Truthiness

    I have problems with that AT&T only text voting. I have problems with how it gets through more than phone voting, which jams galore, especially in the East Coast/Midwest. But I do not think these 10 phones or whatever, are why Kris won.

    I do think as a choice it was unwise of AT&T officals to do this for one contestant and not another. But not because I really think it matters, but because it does look bad and unbalanced and just for themselves, you would think they should know better than to do that. Idiots.

    But oy to the vey. Please let this die as a story! Because it won’t change the whole texting situation, which as a whole, I’m really not fond of, because no way they are not helping out corporate sponsor AT&T.

    C’mon, enough is enough! Let’s all move the heck on.

  • undercooked

    In addition to a Supreme Court nom being named today, the CA Supreme Court upheld Prop 8, & this is what the NY Times is reporting on?

    Well to be fair to the New York Times, there are judges on AI and possibly gay contestants, so I guess they can knock out both of those topics with this one AT&T story.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    There really isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t anything Kris is dealing with right now that David Cook didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deal with last year. If thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a media conspiracy afoot, well, they must be getting used to it, because it happened last year, too.

    I don’t remember anything quite like this last year…or the NYT getting involved. LOL.

  • rbidol

    The list of people responsible for Adam’s loss continues to grow:

    –The people of Arkansas, who are apparently superhuman texting wizards
    –Christians
    –Danny fans
    –Homophobes
    –MJ, Rickey, Slezak and any other blogger who ever said anything nice about Kris
    –Tweens, tweens, tweens
    –AT&T Representatives

    I am probably forgetting other guilty parties.

    Of course, one element that clearly played no role in Kris’s win is Kris and his talent. Ain’t No Sunshine, Falling Slowly, She Works Hard for the Money, and freakin’ HEARTLESS…none of this played a role. Kris only won because of bigots and cheaters…

    How long before it is acknowledged that Kris won because people really like Kris and his music? No conspiracy necessary. Sometimes the easiest explanation is also the best explanation.

  • ejw89109

    What AT&T did at these parties was supply the phones for text messaging and instructed everyone on how to “power” text votes, which Fox states is not allowed and prohibited. For every text message each person sent, ten text messages were sent. If each person sent 10 text messages, it equaled 100 texts. They were allowed to do this for 4 hours, which is how the State of Arkansas got so many votes in. Fox is silent on the subject and understandably so. They can’t go back now, after a finale like that, and take the title back. What’s done is done, but at least now you know how Adam lost.

  • hypertwink

    The list of people responsible for Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s loss continues to grow

    Oh, don’t forget all the other Idols that said they liked Kris, especially Daughtry. It’s Daughtry’s fault that Kris won. LOL

  • lucyluu

    I doubt the effort of the local ATT reps is responsible for Kris’ victory, and in that sense I’m sorry to see that this story still has legs.

    But I gotta say, contrast ATT’s behavior to the great lengths that iTunes goes to to mask contestant’s sales figures during the competition.

    What’s that you say, iTunes leaked the numbers? Oh, then……never mind.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    What AT&T did at these parties was supply the phones for text messaging and instructed everyone on how to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“powerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  text votes, which Fox states is not allowed and prohibited.

    Since when is this not allowed?

    I guess they’re going to have to call redo on a few seasons, because people have been doing this a long time. I’m sure lots of Adam fans did it this year, because they were the ones who told me about it last year when we were all David Cook fans.

    I’m pretty sure it’s “power dialers” that are not allowed, which are unmanned phone banks that are set up to vote for contestants.

  • In the Stars

    I wouldn’t line my bird cage with the New York Times. They are always full of lies.

    I’m an Adam fan and my message to the NYT is LEAVE Kris alone. He won and should be treated as such. This was a very mean spirited article. Let Kris enjoy this.

    I wish Kris all the best and a long and successful career.

  • KrisAllen1

    KRIS WON! Get over it people.He made it to the top 3 without no danny fans,homophobes votes or christain votes.

    does anyone think that adam lost because Kris was gaining fans since heartless? Or his Aint on sunshine from the night before? Its hard for
    this media to understand but NOT EVERYONE LIKED ADAM.I just think
    some people did like Kris’s music and the way he presented himself.
    I may have to repeat this more than enough times.Some people didnt
    like Adam and liked Kris.Its so hard for the media to understand that.

    MJ feel free to edit or delete this.I wouldnt blame you if you banned me
    after this post.

  • cookbunny

    quote: “The list of people responsible for Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s loss continues to grow:

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’The people of Arkansas, who are apparently superhuman texting wizards
    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’Christians
    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’Danny fans
    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’Homophobes
    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’MJ, Rickey, Slezak and any other blogger who ever said anything nice about Kris
    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’AT&T Representatives

    I am probably forgetting other guilty parties.”

    rbidol: I can’t believe no one’s blamed the Bush administration yet (I know, I know, we can’t anymore, but damn it was fun while it lasted).

  • koun4ma

    Oops, this is no good.
    Especially this is a public newspaper, the reporter or writer should be more cautious about what they wrote, “perhaps” or “it seems” or “appears to be” or whatever ambiguous terms are the ones used to make up stories; I think they knew they were not supposed to use those words, but to avoid responsiblities and to catch up the “hot topic” (although it’s kinda old already), they still used them and wrote such an article, pathetic.

    Even though I am a Glambert, I don’t like the fact that people keep talking about these imaginary conspiracy theories. Yes, I do hope that the votes were not legit, or no, I should say that I do not want to believe the fact that Adam did not win, but whatever, the winner is Kris, nothing is going to change that. Although I wanted Adam to win so bad, I kinda knew that Kris might win based on … okay, I am not going to put any negative comments here, so I keep my thoughts to myself; thus, I was not shocked by the results, I was just upset and disappointed.

    I just hope that these kinda news will not create more Adam haters because Adam really has nothing to do with all these craps and any behavior of his fans; however, I cannot trust people’s brains nowadays, so I can only hope.

  • risalea

    Oh, these stories are getting so tiresome. Do you really think only Kris fans were power texting? Do you really think a few phones handed out made the difference in the voting?

    I think “no” on both counts.

    Indeed, let’s let Kris enjoy his win.

  • rbidol

    What AT&T did at these parties was supply the phones for text messaging and instructed everyone on how to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“powerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  text votes, which Fox states is not allowed and prohibited. For every text message each person sent, ten text messages were sent. If each person sent 10 text messages, it equaled 100 texts. They were allowed to do this for 4 hours, which is how the State of Arkansas got so many votes in. Fox is silent on the subject and understandably so. They canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t go back now, after a finale like that, and take the title back. Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s done is done, but at least now you know how Adam lost.

    We all know that Adam’s fan sites advertised how to power-text…and hundreds (maybe thousands) of Adam fans did just that.

    Same with David Cook fans. And David Archuletta fans. And Jordin Sparks fans and Blake Lewis fans and Melinda Doolittle fans and Sanjaya fans. Every single year the same instructions are posted on every fan blog and forum in the nation.

    I am quite certain that both Kris and Adam had a small contingent of power-texters that night. The notion that Kris fans cheated, but Adam fans dutifully obeyed every rule to the letter, just does not match the facts. Everyone knows about power-texting…this was not an Arkansas secret.

  • hollygo9

    The list of people responsible for Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s loss continues to grow:

    Don’t forget how the show was totally unfair to Adam. That one never quits being funny. OH and the tweens….those evil evil tweens who are ALWAYS the reason that {idol name and season} didn’t win.

    What AT&T did at these parties was supply the phones for text messaging and instructed everyone on how to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“powerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  text votes, which Fox states is not allowed and prohibited.

    What Fox considers ‘power voting’ is when you use a computer to vote hundreds of times a minute; more than is humanly possible. Ten texts at a time? That’s been going on since season 6 at least.

  • http://absinthedreamers.blogspot.com/ Starrlight

    I don’t remember anything like this with Cookie. Archie fans were bummed, of course, but massive vote scandals involving AT&T and home state officials?

  • hollyncali

    Here we go again. It’s like beating a dead horse just leave it alone. Kris won and let him enjoy this moment! Geez

  • snuffles

    This wouldn’t even BE a story if the local Arkansas press didn’t BRAG about it. Even the local state assembly man bragged about it on his web site. They wrote articles CLEARLY laying out exactly what they and AT&T did.

    The SOURCE of this story is NOT “disgruntled Adam fans” it’s the Arkansas media.

  • rbidol

    I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe no oneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s blamed the Bush administration yet (I know, I know, we canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t anymore, but damn it was fun while it lasted).

    LOL! Karl Rove masterminded the Kris Allen victory!!!

    OH and the tweensà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.those evil evil tweens who are ALWAYS the reason that didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win.

    Oh! I almost forgot the tweens! I went back and added it. It is, of course, the life-mission of a tween to vote without any reference to talent or skill.

    The SOURCE of this story is NOT à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“disgruntled Adam fansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the Arkansas media.

    As is often the case with the media (especially the local media), a mistake was made. Therefore, Fox16 ran a correction / retraction. In the excitement of the moment, inaccurate rumors were reported…it happens all the time. Why are these retracted statements–which were unsourced to begin with–are still being cited as fact?

  • minzhi

    Gosh crap! Stop this already. Tsk!

  • SashaB

    And thus begins the further media depimpage of Kris Allen. Way to try and stick an asterik on his win, NYT. That is deplorable and frankly disgusting. To see this happen to such a talented young man is just very sad. 19Evil should be working frantically to nip this story and *not* fuel it.

    Kris Allen and Allison Iraheta were the only palatable artists for me in this otherwise boring season. Go Kris. Best of luck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    This wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even BE a story if the local Arkansas press didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t BRAG about it. Even the local state assembly man bragged about it on his web site. They wrote articles CLEARLY laying out exactly what they and AT&T did.

    The SOURCE of this story is NOT à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“disgruntled Adam fansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the Arkansas media.

    http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=613179

    Well, in the interest of full disclosure, the new claymates harassed the entire media until someone printed it.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Heh. I agree… old news and nothing that hasn’t been done before.

    BUT, I do think they should accept texts from any provider. Yes, I know they probably get a huge amount of ad revenue from AT&T, but once again its about the profit margin and not equity for the contestants or viewers. Probably, the results wouldn’t have changed if I could have texted my votes from my Verizon phone, but I would have felt better about the process when I couldn’t get through on finale night. BTW, except for finale night, I could get through pretty easily after the first 20-30 min.

    Oh, and hell no will I switch to AT&T. If the iPhone didn’t convince me, voting for AI won’t.

    Well, in the interest of full disclosure, the new claymates harassed the entire media until someone printed it.

    LOL, chach! You don’t expect me to actually read a thread on IDF, do ya? :)

  • Trina

    God how how freaking stupid.

    That piece of crap winning song Kris recorded is still sitting at #2 on iTunes despite most of the other Idol songs that were high last week are dropping quite a bit. Is Arkansas sitting around powerbuying on iTunes??

  • BearFan4

    I am from Arkansas and I am glad that Kris won (honestly would have been happy with him or Adam) and I know for a fact that AT&T provided phones to people to vote at watch parties. I am against power voting because it’s a complete unfair advantage. Letting people vote an unlimited amount of times is not the best way to vote, but i guess it’s the only way they will break records now. Hopefully next year American Idol will reveal a new and more fair voting process.

  • lola

    I guess AI producers acknowledges the flaw of the voting system meaning that AI winners are not necessarily voted for talent but to whoever gets the most number of votes using AT&T text votes. It’s business. But I can also see that the producers are making amends to that flaw by making the Top 2 appear as both winners. There’s actually no difference between Kris winning the title…sure he got the title, the trophy, more exposure (only for now), but they both get the same treatment in terms of prizes and record deals.

    Anyway, I read this from a blogger from herald-dispatch which will more or less relate to the sentiments of most people after the announcement of the winner. I posted the same in another topic but since this is newer one, I’ve decided to also put it here.

    http://media.herald-dispatch.com/blog/idol/2009/05/column-you-did-not-see-in-todays-h-d.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    LOL, chach! You donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expect me to actually read a thread on IDF, do ya? :)

    LOL, of course not! Here you go:

    POST: i guess all those emails worked
    POST: WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!! The squeaky wheel gets the grease!!!!!!
    MY FAVORITE: You couldnt ask for a more respected news outlet to expose an untruth. Bravo to NYT. You guys email the author and thank him.
    I can only pray that a class action suit is next.

    and they continue:

    POST:

    I appreciate your efforts and it was easy to do. Here’s all the links so far. Had to take out the ( )
    Just copy and paste.

    anderson.cooper@turner.com, MSallah@MiamiHerald.com, RHirsch@MiamiHerald.com, kcbstvnews@cbs.com, scoop@huffingtonpost.com, abc7@abc.com, sdardarian@seattletimes.com, jneff@seattletimes.com, desertwriter@telus.net, Perez@PerezHilton.com, ann.powers@latimes.com, editors@rollingstone.com, editor@people.com, suggestions@usmagazine.com, contactintouch@intouchweekly.com, tips@okmagazine, info@ap.org, extratips@wb.com, tips@lifeandstylemag.com, ietips@cbs.com

    Done.
    I also e-mailed Jessica.Letkemann@billboard.com, evening@cbsnews.com, Nightly@nbc.com, Living@MSNBC.com, ck.rairden@nationalledger.com
    There is also a link on CNN.com to contact Showbiz Tonight and send them the link to the article.
    Link for Access Hollywood: http://www.accesshollywood.com/contact

    POST: Holly these telecommunication companies must answer these FTC complaints individually. THese are SERIOUS blemishes to their “file”. Just one FTC compplaint of mine against bellsouth years ago got me a call from the office of the president and some other “credits” that I dont want to divulge

    LOLZ

    ETA: If this is inappropriate, please delete, mj. I was really bored tonight.

  • colette

    Of course there’s another villain to blame! The terrorists!
    And don’t forget to blame Canada!

    Yeesh. MJ if you are still contributing to NY Daily News could you please squash this big ol’ raunchy bug underfoot?

    First the NY Times writes a post-finale “commentary” that trashes both Adam AND Kris, everything about the show, musical theatre, “soft rock,” and presumably everything else that isn’t…..what? It was entirely unclear what kind of music, if any, was cool enough for that pundit (whose byline I’ve never seen before, and I’m a frequent NYT reader).

    Look, no matter how much many loved Adam, Kris won. And possibly he won by a lot.

    If Southern voters vote more, or if Arkansas is such a small and quiet state they had time and passion to organize more voting parties, and if every tween and Conway resident texted 20,000 votes apiece, who cares?

    and does AT & T give a hoot who won? They’re about the moolah and selling phone service and ringtones. whatever.

    Basta! Time for everybody to simmer down and stop looking for bogeyman. Kris is the king, love live the king.

  • lola

    Yes. Kris won. But how come so many people are still questioning it? Poor Kris. He got caught in the middle of this. If only the AI producers have set up a credible voting system. But as of now, can we really say Kris won?

  • SashaB

    ^^ Yes, we can. Kris Allen was declared the American Idol of Season 8. When Kris’s major label album drops, it will say American Idol Winner Season 8.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Aww, chach. I hope those fans calm down before they ruin Adam’s press before he has a chance to prove himself. ‘Cause you know they will be assaulting any negative review like fire ants. They aren’t doing him any favors. Sigh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    Aww, chach. I hope those fans calm down before they ruin Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s press before he has a chance to prove himself. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Cause you know they will be assaulting any negative review like fire ants. Sigh.

    Do they ever learn, though? So many have not learned from Clay and that was how many seasons ago? The precedents are there, but they refuse to see. :/

  • LK09

    This NYT story doesn’t surprise me at all. IMO, they lost journalistic integrity a long time ago.

  • colette

    Lola — I read the article you linked to and sorry, I can’t agree with this person. She’s lamenting’s Adam loss, but finding comfort in the idea that Kris “needed” to win to have a career, and Adam didn’t. So Smokey Robinson loved him, Jamie Foxx wanted to record him…..and we’re supposed to believe Kris would’ve just crawled under a bush in Arkansas, never to be heard from again if he came in second?

    That article also noted:

    However, I must admit thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a part of me who would really liked to have seen Adam get that winnerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s moment Wednesday. Those pyrotechnics would have worked great with that scream of his.

    That scream is one thing that made me and a whole lot of other people tire of Adam. I didn’t only support Kris in reaction to that, but I think you are vastly over-estimating the number of people who don’t feel Kris deserves this, and who don’t think loud and screamy vocal pyrotechnics are as engaging as cool, nuanced musicianship.

    As for the whole business of changing the voting procedure, OK by me, though I missed any news of Archuleta’s gazillion fans and Bo Bice’s demanding that. — and I don’t think AI is going love announcing that 3 million people voted instead of 100 million votes being cast.

    In the meantime, as far as I can tell, Adam had every chance of beating out Kris if his fans had organized to do it. It isn’t rocket science. :happy_tb:

  • praepos

    The Times has always been deeply involved in the culture war, particularly in gay rights issues. Almost every cultural phenomenon is perceived through that lens and Adam’s loss is apparently no exception.

    It’s true the voting process is ridiculously skewed in favor of text voters. But it was no different last year when Cook won over Archie. The only difference is that this year the loser is known to be gay.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Do they ever learn, though? So many have not learned from Clay and that was how many seasons ago? The precedents are there, but they refuse to see. :/

    I know. No doubt Adam wanted to win, but seriously. He’s not getting the shaft here. He seems happy for Kris. My take is that if the fans can’t be happy for Kris, they should at least be classy about it and not flood the media and do further damage to Adam. He’s the one they are hurting, not Kris.

    As for the whole business of changing the voting procedure, OK by me, though I missed any news of Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gazillion fans and Bo Biceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s demanding that. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think AI is going love announcing that 3 million people voted instead of 100 million votes being cast.

    Eh, I’m not advocating a change in the process. Just letting in other texters who don’t use AT&T. I really wanted an iPhone and considered buying it, until I was in a very populous area of Chicago (Wrigleyville) and my friends with AT&T couldn’t get a signal and I could.

    If anything, letting people text from other providers would increase the vote totals, but that wouldn’t line TPTB’s pockets, so it ain’t gonna happen.

  • jz

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO
    Leave Kris and his win alone NYT, omg.

    ETA: And those Adam stans too. It’s over, the past is past, move on time. Kris and Adam have the whole music world to worry about now, not Idol.
    (And this is coming from a big Adam fan.)

    :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    I know. No doubt Adam wanted to win, but seriously. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not getting the shaft here. He seems happy for Kris. My take is that if the fans canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be happy for Kris, they should at least be classy about it and not flood the media and do further damage to Adam. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the one they are hurting, not Kris.

    They want to contact lawyers and file lawsuits over this. I’m pretty sure they’re dead serious. I have second-hand embarrassment for everyone involved. Especially Adam. He is such a class act.

  • Trina

    But as of now, can we really say Kris won?

    Yep. And considering how AI spent the whole season pimping the crap out of Adam I’m sure if they saw anything out of the ordinary giving Kris the edge they would have discarded those votes so they could crown their Chosen One.

    The same thing went on during season 2 with Ruben and Clay and the razor thin margin of votes that separated them. Claymates demanded a recount and still to this day insist he only lost because of messed up phone lines. Last I checked Ruben is still called the WINNER in the eyes of AI.

    Do people honestly think massive powervoting in hometowns don’t happen every year?

  • ross

    But as of now, can we really say Kris won?

    Kris won.

    DialIdol doesn’t count text votes, right? And on Top 2 night, Kris was ahead of Adam all night, in all of DialIdol’s charts, graphs, etc. For all three of his phone numbers.

    The previous week DialIdol predicted Danny had the least votes, and the week before that, Allison.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    They want to contact lawyers and file lawsuits over this. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re dead serious. I have second-hand embarrassment for everyone involved. Especially Adam. He is such a class act

    Perhaps I will go over there and bitch slap them tomorrow (nah, not worth it). Idiots. Adam and Kris and the rest are moving on to the next stage of their careers. So should the fans.

    ETA: I can totally get a lingering disappointment when your fave doesn’t win, but it seems some fans make it more about themselves than what is in the best interest of their so-called fave.

  • Truthiness

    LOL, chach! You donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expect me to actually read a thread on IDF, do ya? :)

    I think the only things worse would be forced to read either the offical AI site (eekkk!) or something from Idletard. I think waterboarding is considered less torture, er, enhanced interrogation techniques, than that.

  • skylight1219

    NYT is nothing but a piece of crap rag magazine anymore. They’ve jumped the shark. This is pitiful. Does anyone think that Idol is going to overturn a win because some fans aren’t happy?

  • hypertwink

    IMO, and this is just mine, I think it was a blowout. As in probably more than the supposed shock upset of 12M in S7. And TPTB are trying to keep it all hush hush because they don’t want that blowout to derail the storyline they have for Adam — the talented runner-up who should’ve been winner. If it was indeed a blowout, it would totally fuck that up.

  • blmetsfan

    That IdolForums thread is all kinds of scary. lol

  • wand3rful

    Can we also ad my ex boyfriend to the list of entities we need to blame for adam’s loss??? (just for the hell of it ) LOL

    Ahhh, the lovely New York Times. It amuses me that this newspaper cannot let go of the fact that lambert lost. If anything, this article reads like a crazy msg normally found on the EW.com boards. Yes, the people of Arkansas are the only savyy and sophisticated folks in this country able to power text their votes at watch parties. :rolleyes_wp:

    we get it NYT: you like adam, you supported adam in all of your articles, you thought that the media coverage given to adam would equate to votes, you thought viewers would cast their votes as told to us by simon…well, umm, that didnt happen. c’e la vie.

  • revcat

    undercooked
    “May 26th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
    The only good thing that will come out of this, I hope, is that they will limit the number of calls per device. How about 100 votes per device.

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know about you folks, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ m tired of having to vote for 2 to 4 hours straight. Can you imagine how much more free time we would all have if we could wrap up our voting in 10 mintues. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure we would all have cleaner houses, be less cranky at work on Wednesday mornings and we wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t suffer arm cramps.”

    I am a HUGE Adam fan, and I agree that we all need to move on, but I also agree with undercooked’s statement above! However, I don’t think Idol & AT&T will do anything to change the system. I was pretty indifferent to Kris the whole season, but I have to say, he’s growing on me & I think he is a definite class act as is Adam. Kudos to Kradam!

  • PhDude

    These reports were confirmed. AT & T stores brought out free models from their stores and supplied them at Kris watch parties across Arkansas and taught people how to send 10 texts or votes with 1 action (power texting). The same support was not provided to Adam watch parties in California. It is true that people have better things to do in California than in pig chase Arkansas but still this is some smarmy crap. Maybe that is why unless you are from some small town in the South it is nearly impossible for you to win American Idol. Adam is AMAZING! He doesn’t care about the robbery that occurred and will have and is already having the last laugh with higher album and video sales on itunes. Let the people in pig chase have their win, the don’t deserve it but then again they live there so let’s give them some consolation.

  • anna in vegas

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s true the voting process is ridiculously skewed in favor of text voters. But it was no different last year when Cook won over Archie. The only difference is that this year the loser is known to be gay.

    Unfortunately, obviously a huge factor!

  • blmetsfan

    Why should the voting rules change because of this year? Hasn’t it been the same since the beginning? I just don’t get what makes S8 different than the past.

  • smokeyvera

    Okay, just a diversion for the non Gokey fans and something to chuckle over. An article just came out. Headline “Daughtry’s Producer says Gokey would be hard to make an album with” Cracked me up.

  • iluvai

    I think something went down. My two AT&T landlines got through pretty consistently, but my two Verizon cells did not. The Verizon cells got through about the last 2 hours of voting, very sporadically. I am an Adam fan, and I can’t let this go and here’s why: Adam was the most amazing, consistently awesome person this season and it was his win. Kris is good, but he’s no superstar. Adam is a superstar….. I also disagree that Adam was pimped. Adam was awesome and the judges called it as they saw it… I bet if auditors or whoever the heck found out that the vote wasn’t legitimate—Adam would not agree. He is that classy. Adam is a hero and a role model. Luv you Adam.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    These reports were confirmed. AT & T stores brought out free models from their stores and supplied them at Kris watch parties across Arkansas and taught people how to send 10 texts or votes with 1 action (power texting). The same support was not provided to Adam watch parties in California.

    Did you read my blog post?

    I’m not disputing that it happened. My point is that it’s nothing new. At&t attended watch parties have been going on for YEARS. And unless somebody can prove that AT&T refused to help out Adam fans when asked, then I don’t believe we have a story here.

  • colette

    Um, if homophobia is terrible (which I totally agree with), isn’t xenophobia not so nice either? yet it seems to be part of these absurd conspiracy theories, over a vote that is essentially meaningless in the great vast cosmos.

    Arkansas is part of this country, not some banana republic somewhere. Don’t make me dig up a list of all the cool people that came from there, or from Nebraska or Mississippi or wherever. I’ve gladly seen little homophobia on most blogs (forget youtube, it’s full of crapola), but I’m seeing a lot of pissing on the South — a place I’ve never lived or even visited, but they sure make some purty music….

  • lola

    Can’t really blame Kris fans fuming mad about this article. I would feel the same way if I am a Kris fan. So I’ll just leave all the space for you guys and vent your anger.

  • GeminiDolly

    KRIS WON
    ADAM LOST
    GAME OVER
    MOVING ON….

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    I think something went down. My two AT&T landlines got through pretty consistently, but my two Verizon cells did not. The Verizon cells got through about the last 2 hours of voting, very sporadically.

    How is this the least bit knollish? You do know that cell phones are more likely to be busy because the calls jam through the cell phone towers, right? My Sprint phone has probably gotten three votes in the two years I’ve had it.

    Can someone make up a FAQ or something? You might get a lot of hits from that, MJ. A voting tips and tricks thing for next year.

  • skylight1219

    During season 5, AT&T did the same thing for Kellie Pickler fans in NC. Do Adams’s fans want to ruin him like the Claymates did with Clay? DJ’s wouldn’t touch his music and media outlets laughed at their craziness. They need to take a chill pill.

    I only voted a few times for Kris during the finale. The lines were constantly busy ,and I don’t live in Arkansas. I vowed to never spend 2-4 hours voting ever again, but limited myself to 100 votes. And, I seriously doubt that the tweens were power voting for 4 hours on a school night.

    What do these crazy fans hope to achieve? America DOES love an underdog and this will only help Kris and hurt Adam.

  • linsav

    The voting for American Idol sucks and any normal person would know that by now. That is why I stopped watching a few years back. I may have been born and raised in the South (no longer live there) but my tastes in music runs diametrically opposite to most of the Idol winners. I could walk down the street and hear 10 people singing the same and playing acoustic guitar in the bars. I only watched this year after hearing about Adam from some family members back in Louisiana, yep deep Southerners who love Adam. I won’t be watching next year unless lightning strikes twice.

  • snuffles

    As is often the case with the media (especially the local media), a mistake was made. Therefore, Fox16 ran a correction / retraction. In the excitement of the moment, inaccurate rumors were reportedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦it happens all the time. Why are these retracted statementsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’which were unsourced to begin withà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’are still being cited as fact?

    The “38 million votes came from Arkansas” part was retracted. All the other stuff (voting parties, free phones, power vote training, etc…) was NOT retracted and remains a fact. THAT’s what people are focusing on right now.

    Even though, personally, Kris’ win will forever have an asteriks ** next to it in my mind, I think it’s waste of energy harping on it. AI will NEVER acknowledge or address anything.

    I’d rather Adam fans put their energy into buying up Adam’s music.

  • melvel

    How many people attended those viewing parties? A few thousand people. In the grand scheme of things, a few free phones in a small Arkansas town won’t sway the votes in Kris’ favor. Besides, it is not AT&T who offered their services to the organizers of these viewing parties, it was the organizers who invited AT&T people. Should we fault Kris if his rabid fans are more resourceful than others?

    You know, I’m starting to believe that the final votes were not really close, but Idol is keeping the vote count secret to keep the “upset” story going. If it turned out that the percentage of votes was something like 60-40, all these theories about why Adam lost would not hold water.

  • Lisa

    Yeah it’s not really a biggie. Hicksfaninbham went to AT&T and got Taylor’s phones donated. I believe someone on E’s fan’s team did the same for him.

    Seriously, local AT&T will and does do this for the fan clubs. Something for the gung ho fan’s to keep in mind.

    ETA.. I am a big Adam fan, and am happy for Kris that he won. I was sad on finale night yes, but am happy with the outcome!

  • wand3rful

    if kris’ vote is based on the power of power texting, i find it funny that online polls on usatoday, tvguide, and msn.com all show that the majority of folks are happy w. kris winning (57-60% avg)…i believe the polls were worded as “did the right person win”. yes, i know online polls do not reflect the actual voting public….but also consider that dialidol (which doesnt count text votes) had these two at a dead head, with kris leading by a small margin….look, im just saying, its not too far fetched that kris won, pure and simple, with or without the power texting.

  • Sunn

    I’m a Brit living in the Middle East, so I come with to this discussion with a completely different frame of reference. For UK and Mid. East Idol formats X Factor and Star Academy the audience is charged for both calls and texts made with all telephone carriers, although charges may vary according to carrier. This I find mitigates regional influences and more often than the winner is in fact unanimously approved upon.
    In fact in both these formats a certain percentage of the profits from the votes is given to charity, a cynical action designed to make people feel good about their votes I know.. but it does some good. So I don’t really understand the whole ethos of free voting and power texting. For one thing, investing your money in a vote tends to eliminate any chance of “against votes” fueled by bigotry or hate. Also, support votes are confined to the limits of

    From what I’ve heard and seen this season, and I’ve stated many times before that I’m new to the AI experience, the AI voting system seems flawed. At the least it facilitates skewed voting and at the most it is a rapacious exploitive.

    As far the article goes, I doubt it’ll do harm to either Kris or Adam, it might though bring attention to a voting in system that IMO (granted the opinion of a foreigner who has no business opining on this subject) is in desperate need of overhaul. As to the importance of the subject, this is after all the most successful program in the US. One that is single handedly supporting Fox’s entertainment department. And as such, I do think it’s important enough for the NYT to cover.

    Now excuse me for a minute while I stock up on popcorn. The rest of the week’s interviews should be fun.

  • http://absinthedreamers.blogspot.com/ Starrlight

    Oh no, please no. No Claymate actions. Gah.

  • ross

    we get it NYT: you like adam, you supported adam in all of your articles, you thought that the media coverage given to adam would equate to votes, you thought viewers would cast their votes as told to us by simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦well, umm, that didnt happen. cà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢e la vie.

    The media folks don’t like to be wrong. Especially when they don’t even watch the show and just rehash one another’s opinions or Simon’s pronouncements. “Kris Allen? Who’s he? Why didn’t anyone tell us he was going to win?”

    As for AT&T, if this corporate sponsor was so hot for Kris to win, they would have put some pressure on the producers to give him some decent performance slots and some pimpage. Not handed out a few phones in Arkansas.

  • linsav

    snuffles May 27th, 2009 at 12:48 am

    As is often the case with the media (especially the local media), a mistake was made. Therefore, Fox16 ran a correction / retraction. In the excitement of the moment, inaccurate rumors were reportedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦it happens all the time. Why are these retracted statementsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’which were unsourced to begin withà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’are still being cited as fact?

    The à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“38 million votes came from Arkansasà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  part was retracted. All the other stuff (voting parties, free phones, power vote training, etcà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦) was NOT retracted and remains a fact. THATà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what people are focusing on right now.

    Even though, personally, Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ win will forever have an asteriks ** next to it in my mind, I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s waste of energy harping on it. AI will NEVER acknowledge or address anything.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d rather Adam fans put their energy into buying up Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music.

    I totally agree, esp with the last paragraph.

  • Trina

    KRIS WON
    ADAM LOST
    GAME OVER
    MOVING ONà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    Stop being so logical now!

    How is this the least bit knollish? You do know that cell phones are more likely to be busy because the calls jam through the cell phone towers, right

    Seriously. Simon pleading for votes Top 3 night is more knollish.

    ROTFL ok I just read through that IDF. Lordy I want my brain back. I guess Idoldom needed new Claymates.

  • blmetsfan

    Idol should just release the totals… sometimes I think they enjoy this off-season controversy just to keep interest up.

  • iluvai

    Chachi: I thought it was weird cause my hubby called on his AT&T cell for one hour for Adam and he got through pretty consistently. Then he crashed and burned and I just don’t have that many hands/fingers to vote on 3 phones. So I kinda of concluded that AT&T phones had the better connection….

  • annabelina

    This is stupid. Kris won. The end. It’s just a show. Get over it.

    Seriously, of all the stories for the NYT to cover? I think they’re trying find a corrupted corporations angle, but it’s not holding any weight. Fail.

  • Lisa

    During season 5, AT&T did the same thing for Kellie Pickler fans in NC. Do Adamsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans want to ruin him like the Claymates did with Clay? DJà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t touch his music and media outlets laughed at their craziness. They need to take a chill pill.

    It’s only a small percentage of Adam’s fans from one site not all of Adam’s fans.

    I do agree they need to quit that stuff for exactly the reason you stated.

  • Truthiness

    we get it NYT: you like adam, you supported adam in all of your articles, you thought that the media coverage given to adam would equate to votes, you thought viewers would cast their votes as told to us by simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦well, umm, that didnt happen. cà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢e la vie.

    But they didn’t support Adam. This is as much a fiction as the phone thing being the deciding factor. They did a story about Adam awhile ago, but only in the context of cultural things and referencing people like Prince, Bowie and Liberace. It wasn’t supportive of Adam, per se.

    And the lastest NYT article blasted both Kris AND Adam.

    This and the whole other ‘well that Bush guy heard from unnamed someone that the vote wasn’t even close,’ bother me as much as the ‘well, there is the evidence that AT&T did provide phones to only one side and taught them to vote, etc., and that’s why Adam lost!’ Neither one have, respectively, a.) confirmation from the show b.) make sense in the larger scheme of things. So how about Kris fans stop quoting that Bush douchenozzle, and Adam fans stop getting their knickers in a twist about AT&T providing some text phones to some peeps in Arkansas. Do I have a deal? Can both insubtantianed (at least for now) memes die a deserved death? I’m all for staking them both and burying them in the backyard. :happy_tb:

  • iluvai

    Actually, I think it’s the complacent factor partly at play. A bunch of my neighbors and friends loved Adam, but they don’t vote. They are grown – ups with a life. Unlike me… ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!

  • hwc

    Of course it’s silly, but on the other hand, having to defend the legitimacy of their voting system to the NY TImes couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch than the Idol crew. I’m kind of laughing at the thought of 19E getting a little roughed up. The voting system sucks.

  • lifeisfun

    I was reading an article on Yahoo about how “America got it wrong- Kris Won.” Two sentences in it said Kris Allen had a forgettable audition…

    Then I stopped reading

    Earth to that author: How can it be forgettable if the footage probably doesn’t exist?

    Kris and Adam are happy, why can’t every one else be happy?

  • lola

    edit: don’t tell people what to do

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    Chachi: I thought it was weird cause my hubby called on his AT&T cell for one hour for Adam and he got through pretty consistently. Then he crashed and burned and I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have that many hands/fingers to vote on 3 phones. So I kinda of concluded that AT&T phones had the better connectionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    I have heard that, but I do not have AT&T, so I do not know. I’ll be up to speed next year when my Sprint contract runs out and I get my iPhone, though!

    Regardless, no other carrier really gets through easily for any contestant. It’s not a conspiracy.

  • linsav

    Trina May 27th, 2009 at 12:50 am

    KRIS WON
    ADAM LOST
    GAME OVER
    MOVING ONà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    Stop being so logical now!

    How is this the least bit knollish? You do know that cell phones are more likely to be busy because the calls jam through the cell phone towers, right

    Seriously. Simon pleading for votes Top 3 night is more knollish.

    Simon saying to vote for Adam if you want him in the finale and that it was not a foregone conclusion, is not pleading, it was countering what Randy, Kara, and Paula were saying that they would see Adam in the finale. This was a reminder of the Chris Daughtry fiasco where his fans split votes and got complacent thinking he would sail through to the finals. Also to consider that if Danny was voted off that most of his votes would go to Kris.

  • Laurie

    This is just ridiculous. I distinctly remember texting parties for David Archuleta last year and also a rep from ATT saying they could guarantee 200 votes through them for both Archie and Cook. I hope they don’t fuel this stupid fire. Kris won fair and square, just like every other Idol.

  • iluvai

    linsav: whenever I see your comment’s I do a double take cause it looks like me (iluvai). Anyway…. I’ve bought everything of Adams on itunes…. 3 times because we have 3 Adam lovers at my house with 3 different itunes accounts…

  • AC

    sigh, the people on that forum are freaking psycho. I was reading someone saying that this win for Kris is now tarnished? I don’t think so. For one, just because American Idol said it was close to 100 million votes, I don’t think that’s what the real count is. They probably discarded any questionable votes through power dialing and what now but they don’t want to give the real lower count because that’s just not as exciting. ugh.. I was going to go on about why I believe this count is real but I don’t feel like wasting my time anymore defending it since I know that the results would have favored Kris either way.

    Also, NY times is more of a liberal magazine and Fox (or fox news at least) are always reporting on their questionable biases, so I can see why they would try to discredit a fox program. and I’m a liberal and I do see the obvious biases from both sides.

  • d. b. cooper

    LOL! Karl Rove masterminded the Kris Allen victory!!!

    I knew there was something fishy about that Kris Allen :mad_tb:

    We don’t want your war or your torture Kris Allen.

  • Laurie

    MJ or anyone that knows – why don’t they just limit the amount of votes per home phone and cell lines like they do for Dancing with the Stars? I don’t understand why they have the unlimited calling. It must be for monetary purposes. Did I just answer my own question?

  • http://www.myspace.com/rjveritas MrRJ

    Seriously. Simon pleading for votes Top 3 night is more knollish.

    Simon did not plead for votes. He did aptly point out that front runners are often thought safe….Doughtry, Doolittle, Constantine….so people are not voting for them like crazy because they feel they don’t need it.. That is not plrading for votes.

    That being said, the winner of AI8 is Kris. It won’t change. That is not to say the voting isn’t strange. The tech is out there to limit votes per person, yet AI still goes with the system that puts way too much power in the hands of the super fanatical power voters. In an abstract way, this is anti-democratic. Our laws for real elections uphold the one person, one vote ideal and Idol does not follow this basic premise on which our democarcy is based.

  • wordnerdarchie

    For UK and Mid. East Idol formats X Factor and Star Academy the audience is charged for both calls and texts made with all telephone carriers, although charges may vary according to carrier. This I find mitigates regional influences and more often than the winner is in fact unanimously approved upon

    What this tells me is that the people with money to burn on calls and texts get to decide who is the winner. If you can’t afford the charges, then you don’t have a say. How is this fair?

  • Niall

    The lesson of the Claymates and other obsessed fanbases has clearly not been heeded. Hopefully Adam goes on to build a large enough non-AI fanbase that the IDF kids and grandmas, most of whom move on to a new obsession each year, don’t ultimately color perception of Adam the way the Claymates did Aiken.

  • iluvai

    I am super happy for Adam and Kris….I just don’t get why it was so hard to make a connection on anything other than an AT&T phone (in my home). That was my experience. Kris should be on z100 (FM100.3) tomorrrow at about 8:10 with Elvis Duran and the zoo crew. Enjoy if you live in NY/nj. I think that’s accurate. I hope so….

  • mikeyb

    Wow, this is terrible. I’ll admit to dialing hundreds of votes in for Adam, on the finale, but seriously, people need to move on. Adam’s moved way past the results already– and seriously, what difference does it make one way or another?

    The only thing that this is going to do is create a backlash against Adam. Leave it alone, people!

  • topher a

    It is true that people have better things to do in California than in pig chase Arkansas but still this is some smarmy crap. Maybe that is why unless you are from some small town in the South it is nearly impossible for you to win American Idol.

    Are you serious? It’s one thing to buy into a conspiracy theory, and then it’s another thing entirely to completely disrespect an entire state that you’ve probably never even been to, or know anything about. Pig chase Arkansas, my a$$. Sure, they may have more farmers than in California – but you honestly think that farmers are less hardworking than your average Californian or that everyone who lives in Arkansas just sits around twiddling their thumbs all day?

    On a more related note… IDF has really gone downhill, hasn’t it? Or maybe I’ve just grown up and gotten some brains. I sure hope Kris is the kind of person who doesn’t take these things too seriously. Like rbidol said – MAYBE, just MAYBE, Kris won because he was talented, attractive, and made appealing music. End of story.

  • jlurksacto

    A lot of reasons for voting/not voting. It seems like to me that
    all of these comments about an article subtly validates it.

  • linsav

    iluvai May 27th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    linsav: whenever I see your commentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s I do a double take cause it looks like me (iluvai). Anywayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve bought everything of Adams on itunesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. 3 times because we have 3 Adam lovers at my house with 3 different itunes accountsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    LOL – I do the same thing. iTunes is probably in love with my account about now, too.

  • breakdown

    Jeebus! Where has the Times been for 8 seasons? This is nothing new. Idol has never been fair. Kris won…..next?

  • iluvai

    Adam is talented, attractive, and makes appealing music. Rock on gorgeous. You have touched a chord in the American psyche. XOXO….

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    AI will never change its voting procedure. They LOVE the rabidity. That feel of panic that people feel when their favorite karaoke singer just might go home? It increases the fans loyalty. People are more likely to remember someone they got carpal tunnel for. Then, these fans think the contestants “owe” them something, and will go to the idol tour for a glimpse of them and stand outside waiting for an autograph.

    Plus, it’s all dollar signs for them. Unlimited texting plans and Go Phones that crazy cat ladies will spend tons of money on?

    What did that Tears for Fears guy say? It’s a TV Show that is designed to sell you things. AT&T couldn’t give two shits who wins. I bet that AT&T encourages reps to go to all voting rallys they can find out about. Did Adam’s fans have voting rallys? I’m sure these fuckers would’ve shown up if they knew about them with their grubby paws out with one side of “help” and forty sides of “make the sale.”

    The NY Times is obviously a joke if they take a bunch of complaints and don’t actually do any research, since this is done every year for even the contestants TPTB don’t care about.

  • ross

    Even though, personally, Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ win will forever have an asteriks ** next to it in my mind, I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s waste of energy harping on it. AI will NEVER acknowledge or address anything.

    I guess somebody will have to explain to me why AT&T, the corporate sponsor of a show that appeared to favor Adam Lambert over Kris Allen in every imaginable way, all season, would then have reps in Arkansas trying to help Kris Allen beat Adam Lambert.

  • d. b. cooper

    It seems like to me that all of these comments about an article subtly validates it.

    Derision is the wrong kind of attention for a major news source.

  • Sunn

    What this tells me is that the people with money to burn on calls and texts get to decide who the is winner. If you canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t afford the charges, then you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have a say. How is this fair?

    The charges are not exorbitant, and people usually confine themselves to one or two votes. The results from both formats show that the winners are more likely than not from the poorer regions. For example, In the Mid. East no one form the rich Gulf countries has ever won. And in the UK winners of XF as well as BGT (same voting system) have come from all regions of the country both rich and poor, Manchester, Reading, Wales, London and Warrington.

  • oyl

    They should look into it – we Americans always embrace fairness, openess and most of all, honesty. How come no press (or most of the press people) demand looking into this. There’s a feel of ‘dark cloud’ over this issue.

    What’s Fox’s CEO say about this?
    What’s the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post etc. stand on this?

    The whole situation is really strange. We kind of accept the outcome yet at the same time deep inside each of us there’s a big unsolved question mark.

  • rbidol

    lol, okay. Looking at this forum MJ linked (which is only a small percentage of Adam fans, I know), I feel bad for these people who seriously cannot handle the results of a reality TV show. Spending their time emailing reporters and calling lawyers…wow.

    There is no asterisk next to Kris’s name; I’ll bet you he won no matter how you slice the numbers.

    Even though it was within the margin of error, Kris was on top of Dial Idol all night long, indicating that it is likely he won the landline votes (which still makes up a significant majority of the votes). Given the fact that DI has underestimated Kris all season long, his victory on DI speaks volumes.

    Therefore, even if we threw out all the text messages, I am sure Kris would still win.

    Secondly, I am guessing that if you tossed out all the votes from Arkansas, it would not change the results. Obviously this is just a guess…but if it is true that Kris won in a landslide, it must have been a national effort.

    Remember: only 1 million votes separated Kris and Adam the week before (and for all we know, Kris had more that week). This is before any of these so-called scandals. Add in a percentage of Danny’s votes, and the residual effects of an atomic bomb named Heartless, and Kris’s win is not such a huge shocker. Not at all.

    In fact, most people agreed that, if it came down to Kris and Adam, Kris would probably win (based on simple logic: Danny’s fans will gravitate to Kris). So why the big surprise now?

    Kris won the national vote fair and square. If all of this led to Idol admitting that Kris won by a wide margin, that would just be embarrassing for Adam. If at all possible, people really need to move on.

    ETA: You might also be interested in the analysis being done on whatnottosing.com. They are showing, through their weekly statistics, that Kris became a front runner early in the season. As they say, “Let’s get one thing straight up front: it wasn’t an upset.” Those Adam fans who need to believe that Kris fans cheated should consider this statistical analysis.

  • iluvai

    BIG QUESTION MARK!!!!

  • sunchick

    Oy. I was pulling for Adam, but I’m over it and don’t begrudge Kris his win. It’s too bad people just can’t be happy for both guys. Can’t say that I’m surprised, though. I was talking to a random guy at work, big burly dude with a New Yawk accent, and the subject of AI randomly came up because of the guy’s new glasses of all things. (Do you think these glasses make me look too much like that guy from American Idol? Hee, no lie.) He asked me who I voted for and I said Adam. And he said, “OMG, me too! You know I tried to vote for two hours and couldn’t get through once for Adam, while my dad up in Joisey voted for the other guy and got through a bunch of times. I think it was fixed!” My jaw damn near dropped to the floor. Out of the mouths of casual fans… I told him I didn’t think it was fixed and Adam will still get a nice record deal. I suppose there’s almost always going to be some sort of outrage from the runner up’s camp. It goes with the territory, and will blow over hopefully.

  • Sunn

    What did that Tears for Fears guy say? Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a TV Show that is designed to sell you things. AT&T couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t give two shits who wins. I bet that AT&T encourages reps to go to all voting rallys they can find out about. Did Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans have voting rallys? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure these fuckers wouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve shown up if they knew about them with their grubby paws out with one side of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“helpà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and forty sides of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“make the sale.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    ROFLMAO!

  • erinnthered

    Guess what’s on the front page of HuffPo…above the Sotomayor stories? Ugh.

    This is just…wow. I was hoping the link was to an editorial…wow. What the heck has happened to two of the biggest papers in the nation that they can’t fact check or put their ever so passionate opinions at the door when they “report”?

    This guy wrote this and threw it up in a day without even thinking about the implications to two people’s careers. I’d bet on it.

    ETA: I agree that other providers should be allowed to text. Then again, I think the the iPhone should be open to other providers too, and it looks like that’s never gonna happen. grrr

  • JenG

    Man. This hurts both contestants. All this conspiracy theory crap. I’m a huge Adam fan. And I was disappointed for a good three days. But seriously, time to let it go.

    It’s not like Adam is sitting around crying into his Wheaties. He’s moved on. And there’s obviously buzz surrounding him. It’s not the end of his world that he didn’t win. And Adam doesn’t NEED crazed/insane fans. It’s only going to turn potential fans off. And those are the fans Adam’s going to need if he wants to launch a successful career.

    And poor Kris. He was shocked enough that he won. He doesn’t need this added drama. The poor guy is going to feel guilty for the rest of his life (he just seems like the type.)

    This really does no one any good.

  • kiss kiss

    I guess somebody will have to explain to me why AT&T, the corporate sponsor of a show that appeared to favor Adam Lambert over Kris Allen in every imaginable way, all season, would then have reps in Arkansas trying to help Kris Allen beat Adam Lambert.

    This. The whole thing is laughable. It’s really sad to me that such a nice guy who beat the odds and won fair and square has to have his victory tarnished this way. It’s so unfair.

  • http://inkdbylilyanna.com carolina

    Add Kelly Pickler to that list of Idols whose towns handed out AT&T phones and taught them how to power vote.

    At this point it’s a non-issue.

  • riaspark17

    Logic and sanity fly out the window when the world is still trying to decipher how the FABULOUSNESS of one Adam Lambert was beaten by some…dude. I forgot his name.

  • Violator

    I’m sure it’ll all blow over in a day or two. This isn’t even on the radar of people who don’t watch Idol. This is my first year, and until I started reading blogs like this, I didn’t even know about prior controversies. Couldn’t even tell you who won or came in second.

  • onherthize

    Rbidol is exactly right. Anyone who had been following the polarization of the Lambert and Gokey fanbases would have known to bet the farm on Kris as soon as he made it to the top2. He would have beaten either one.

  • wand3rful

    But they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t support Adam. This is as much a fiction as the phone thing being the deciding factor. They did a story about Adam awhile ago, but only in the context of cultural things and referencing people like Prince, Bowie and Liberace. It wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t supportive of Adam, per se.

    fiction?? LOL NYT might not have taken out an ad in support of adam, but reading their articles you could see a clear bias towards mr. lambert..

    read their freaking live blog of the finale. they were disappointed/sad that adam lost. and their tv watch wrap up (by another writer) shared the same sentiment…” kris is like other musicians, adam is like no one else.” how is that not pro adam?? i wont go crazy with the quotes, but here yall go….the offenders LOL:

    JON CARAMANICA
    Dave Itzkoff
    Edward Wyatt (who also wrote the att story)
    ALESSANDRA STANLEY

  • Genevieve

    The NY Times story should not have addressed the credibility of Kris’ win, (I have supported Adam all along), but this is diminishing them both in the public’s eye and just like the judge’s pimping neither had any control of the outcome.

    What the real story should have been is… If most individuals paid ~$40 for a Gophone and unlimited texting, or added texting to their phone contract, etc. then everyone should have. If phones were available for free use it would have been nice for all of us to go to the AT&T store and borrowed one for the night. If many had to find their way around the internet to learn how to power vote then all should have had to learn it and not had a private tutor teaching them how to set up their phone lists.

  • ranthi

    I dont think I like the tone of the article here. I know it is an opinion piece, but not very well thought out either. Either the author has some inside information about the voting parties that we dont or is just ignorant. The point is NOT the voting. The point is that AT&T is a corporate sponsor and should not provide services like that to one contestant they do not provide to all other contestants still in the competition…regardless of the scope of the service.

    Willfull avoidance? Im laughing at that article statement. They do not have to show “willfull avoidance”. As a sponsor, they should have already known that if they decided to attend a voting party, they should have either set one up for other contestants fans in another city or even better..not attended at all. That would have been the right thing to do.

    So, I dont really care what does/does not change due to that information getting out, but I do think people need to know.

  • rbidol

    Rbidol is exactly right. Anyone who had been following the polarization of the Lambert and Gokey fanbases would have known to bet the farm on Kris as soon as he made it to the top2. He would have beaten either one.

    Weeks before the finale, USA Today reported the obvious. The article was: Do All Roads on ‘American Idol’ Lead Through Kris Allen? They showed how Kris could easily win. It made sense then. It makes sense now.

    I am sure most Adam fans understood this from the beginning…and that’s why they have been able to weather this ‘hurricane’ with their sanity in tact.

    Then there are those who seemed to take it literally when Kara said that Adam is a rock god. His divinity being undermined, they must find a way to keep the faith! I myself am a man of faith…but dude, some of these Adam fans are true fundamentalists!

  • capami

    Kris won because he got more votes. They are both winners and great friends.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Erinn, I flove you, but I went to the Huffington Post and saw my least fave local DJ Mancow doing another publicity stunt. Just no. I couldn’t deal, so I need a real link.

  • lola

    I think the issue is more of the voting process and not on whether Kris or Adam should have won.

  • Niall

    Lordy, those IDF kids are going to feel very foolish when they look back on this in a few years.

  • Violator

    Then there are those who seemed to take it literally when Kara said that Adam is a rock god. His divinity being undermined,

    I accept that Kris won fair and square, but I will not accept that Adam Lambert is not simply divine. (double negative notwithstanding)

  • elephant1212

    WELL THE “TEARS FOR FEARS” SINGER CURT SMITH JUST TWITTERED THIS SAME NYT ARTICLE:

    Now I get it – http://bit.ly/i8gWM
    36 minutes ago from TweetDeck

    (IN RESPONSE TO WHY ADAM LOST)

    ..i am upset too that he lost, but good things will come hopefully…this issue sucks

  • jtgraffix

    this is truly pathetic.

  • Sunn

    pj
    May 27th, 2009 at 1:41 am
    Erinn, I flove you, but I went to the Huffington Post and saw my least fave local DJ Mancow doing another publicity stunt. Just no. I couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deal, so I need a real link.

    pj, HuffPo links directly to the NYT article. But here’s the link to the HuffPo media page that that carries the headline.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/media/

  • wand3rful

    rbidol, you beat me to the punch! i too was thinking of that USA today article during this entire discussion…how kris’ fanbase would determine the american idol. great read and it serves as a good reminder that kris’ win was thought to be possible/probable/ whichever is grammatically correct LOL.

  • http://www.equinoxrpg.com dreamr

    If I needed any more reason to be glad Adam didn’t win…this is it.

  • LindaT

    Bottom line for me (for you, for me …):
    I wanted Adam to win, but I agree that it is time to move on. After all, this is just a tv singing contest, not a presidential election.
    Also, I don’t think that the producers of American Idol care to investigate voting procedures too carefully. They make an enormous amount of money off this show, and controversies fuel interest and discussion and keep the show top of mind with viewers. So the more we talk/obsess about the show, the better for them.
    So, not to be cynical, but nothing is going to change re: the voting. And, maybe most importantly, Kris and Adam, who are both top-notch people in my estimation, probably would prefer to move on as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    Lordy, those IDF kids are going to feel very foolish when they look back on this in a few years.

    Don’t forget the old ladies! I’m kind of convinced now that the only people that watch Idol are old women in their bathrobes and tweens. Those are the only ones that I ever hear about. They are like the lepers of the AI fandom, in which fans of opposing contestants call out each other for being primarily made up of said leprous groups as if all of them weren’t part of that group at some point in their lives, and will most likely be in the other one later.

    I’m going to list my age as 26 forever so that everyone wants me.

    So please, let us not forget the old ladies. I’m sure they love them some IDF, too.

  • weelassie

    I have no problem with the text votes or using go phones. I have been an idol voter since Season 4 and know of Dial Idol and Gizmo. (heard of Gizmo last season but don’t know how to use it) What I didn’t know was that you can supposedly extend (in real words cheat) using Gizmo to expand your voting window. Can a Gizmo user tell us if this is true. Is there a way to manually change your time zone? I heard of this reading in one of the gazillion idol links out there that showed how to go to the website Krisallen nation and find the link for operation Ding Dong. For shitz and giggles I did that and found how fans wanted to use Gizmo and extend the four hour window to 7 thus voting for 3 hours longer and getting in that many more votes. If you read the comments, it tells how to do this.
    If this is actually true, this is, in my opinion, cheating. I guess I’m just old school. Used my land line and a cell phone for 4 hours.
    Does anyone know if any of this is true?
    Here is the link that will take you to the Ding Dong part of the fan site.
    http://www.krisallenation.com/2009/05/operation-ding-dong-step-four-study.html?showComment=1243297615642#c6647714890032827907

  • linsav

    Violator May 27th, 2009 at 1:44 am

    Then there are those who seemed to take it literally when Kara said that Adam is a rock god. His divinity being undermined,

    I accept that Kris won fair and square, but I will not accept that Adam Lambert is not simply divine. (double negative notwithstanding)

    THIS. Adam himself did not think he would win, he accepted the fact and did his thing and is now looking towards the future. He was at the Hair performance tonight not sitting in his hotel room curled up in a fetal position crying about a freaking reality show.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    I have been an idol voter since Season 4 and know of Dial Idol and Gizmo. (heard of Gizmo last season but donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how to use it) What I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know was that you can supposedly extend (in real words cheat) using Gizmo to expand your voting window. Can a Gizmo user tell us if this is true.

    I remember Elliott fans doing this in Season 5. So yes, it is pretty standard practice.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Weeks before the finale, USA Today reported the obvious. The article was: Do All Roads on à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ Lead Through Kris Allen? They showed how Kris could easily win. It made sense then. It makes sense now.

    It wasn’t just USA Today. Kris started gaining traction after his performances of “Falling Slowly” and “She Works Hard for the Money”. MTV wrote a couple of articles about the possibility of Kris winning. I was interviewed for one of them. Kris didn’t come out of nowhere to take this. I first predicted Kris as a possible final two contestant weeks ago. Then of course, there was the iTunes leak…

    His win should not have been a big surprise for anybody when it finally happened….

  • RemusL

    Weeks before the finale, USA Today reported the obvious. The article was: Do All Roads on à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ Lead Through Kris Allen? They showed how Kris could easily win. It made sense then. It makes sense now.

    rbidol, somehow I missed that article when it was first published but it makes very sound analyses. Looking back on season 5, I think Elliott Yamin held the same power position when he was in the Top 3 with Taylor and Katharine McPhee. He would have won against either Taylor or Kat. When he was narrowly eliminated, most of his supporters who continued to vote likely gravitated to Taylor.

  • weelassie

    chachi,
    did they know how to extend the voting time from 4 hour to 7? how is it possible to do that?

  • adh1018

    If I needed any more reason to be glad Adam didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t winà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦this is it.

    Ditto. And I like Adam

    But people are fooling themselves if they think Adam fans didn’t power text too….I personally know a lot of them who did. And if he would have won, this wouldn’t even be an issue. I guarantee you that if the results were reverse and Kris fans pressed the issue that a large media outlet like the NY Times wouldn’t even give it a second glance because Adam was pre-ordained to win from the beginning.

    Also am I supposed to believe that a small number of phones being handed out at a watch party put Kris over the top? That had to account for what, maybe 200, 000 votes maximum? Surely if Kris won by that little of an amount, AI would have been glad to boast that the vote tally was that close. But it wasn’t. Kris won, PERIOD. And handily, I’d assume.

    Adam is happy for Kris and Kris is happy for Adam. Why does this still have to be a competition? Can’t people just be happy for them both and move on? Support them both in other ways by buying their albums, rather than wasting energy stirring up controversy online.
    I just wish that fans of both could be as gracious and classy as the two men they are following. What a shame.

  • http://inkdbylilyanna.com carolina

    weelassie,

    I remember reading in Season 5 that the same thing was happening with Skype.

    *Supposedly* the AI setup discards any calls coming from a different area code than the current area allowed to vote.

    Whatever.

  • topher a

    LOL, MJ, these silly kids are questioning your credibility and bias! Makes me think even less of them.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Hey, the real person thrown under the bus all season was Allison.

    It’s easy to point fingers when a fave doesn’t win and the press loves a story. No biggie. I just hope the Adam fans chillax so that they don’t tarnish his rep. I like Kris and am happy he was in the finale rather that the Gokester.

  • erinnthered

    ETA: I can totally get a lingering disappointment when your fave doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win, but it seems some fans make it more about themselves than what is in the best interest of their so-called fave.

    This!

    IMO, and this is just mine, I think it was a blowout. As in probably more than the supposed shock upset of 12M in S7. And TPTB are trying to keep it all hush hush because they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want that blowout to derail the storyline they have for Adam à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  the talented runner-up who shouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been winner. If it was indeed a blowout, it would totally fuck that up.

    You know, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m starting to believe that the final votes were not really close, but Idol is keeping the vote count secret to keep the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“upsetà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  story going. If it turned out that the percentage of votes was something like 60-40, all these theories about why Adam lost would not hold water.

    And a big THIS!

    I mean, if you turn this around, the producers could just be trying to help Adam by keeping this under wraps because the vast majority of people who might be interested in his music do not watch American Idol. His so-called fans could hurt him in the end if this blows up. At some point Fox may spill something about the margin of victory and I doubt it will be pretty.

    Kris’ win won’t be tarnished as long as his album does even decent numbers, but Adam may have a lot of trouble getting respect if these loons keep at it.

    Let it be, and let them both have the opportunity to succeed.

  • Jlyn

    The NY Times is obviously a joke if they take a bunch of complaints and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t actually do any research

    Yes. It is always amusing to see every year the various fanbases, who already know everything there is to know about their Idol, realize most reporters don’t actually, you know, report much. They start with a premiss, cobble together a few quotes to support it, and ta-da, deadline met. It doesn’t matter that most of the article is misleading or outright wrong, the quotes are there so they can justify it. Shoddy reporting is nothing new in Idol, or in general.

  • linsav

    adh1018 May 27th, 2009 at 2:07 am

    If I needed any more reason to be glad Adam didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t winà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦this is it.

    Ditto. And I like Adam

    Also am I supposed to believe that a small number of phones being handed out at a watch party put Kris over the top? That had to account for what, maybe 200, 000 votes maximum? Surely if Kris won by that little of an amount, AI would have been glad to boast that the vote tally was that close. But it wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. Kris won, PERIOD. And handily, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d assume.

    Well… would you call it a simple watch party that has free food and has a football stadium full of people just in Conway, Arkansas alone? It wasn’t a small number of phones handed out either.

    But, it doesn’t matter. It’s over. For me this is a stupid thing to be a topic on the Tuesday after the finale.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    chachi,
    did they know how to extend the voting time from 4 hour to 7? how is it possible to do that?

    Yes, I remember a bunch of fanbases talking about it in S5. However, I don’t know how to do it, because I did not do it. I don’t have the energy to care THAT much.

  • http://inkdbylilyanna.com carolina

    Seems Kris Allen fans weren’t the only one’s getting out the vote:

    Hi!

    Adam’s Key to Victory: The Voting Quadrant!

    Add Power Texting for the 4th side of the Quadrant!

    1. No vote split: vote Adam ONLY & SOLELY!

    2. TEAM VOTE:

    * monitor that everyone in your household votes for Adam
    * hold voting parties at home, apartment, condo or office – INVITE everyone to come to the party
    * involve friends, family, co-workers, extended family and your circle of influence
    * involve young children, who may need some financial or reward incentives

    3. VOTE 2 HRS NON-STOP USING SEVERAL VOTING METHODS

    * cell landline text Dial Idol Gizmo etc: Simultaneously

    4. POWER TEXT:

    TEXT MESSAGING is restricted to AT&T MOBILITY Subscribers with 2-way text messaging handset/capabilities only (verify first with your phone carrier); only 1 confirmation sent after your first text message; “message not sent” may appear on your handset if text message does not go thru; your phone’s area code determines your open voting window period; cost subject to your plan features or standard rates apply; you will be charged for each message sent from and received by your wireless device, regardless of delivery and including invalid votes cast outside of the specified time period. “Premium” rates do not apply. See http://www.ATT.com for details, or visit an AT&T Mobility store.
    /rohm

    EFFICIENT TEXT MESSAGING: Send ‘VOTE’ ONLY to a 4 digit contestant number: 57_ _. Send following text votes by RESENDING “VOTE” – no need to re-type “VOTE.”

    more helpful hints at the link
    http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=605848&mode=threaded

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    *Supposedly* the AI setup discards any calls coming from a different area code than the current area allowed to vote.

    I’m just mentioning this because I was in CA one week and AI wouldn’t let me vote CA time because my cell is in central. It’s based on area code, I guess. I have no idea what they discard or not.

    ETA:

    * involve young children, who may need some financial or reward incentives

    Now, that is truly sick.

  • http://youtube.com/user/ConcertCameraCat Sparkles

    Wow, way to make the Claymates look almost sane in comparison. That was some funny/scary stuff on IDF.
    I’m sure Fox is just ecstatic people are still talking about the show a week later.

  • melvel

    The only way to end this is for the Idol people to come out and say that the vote difference was so large. Which I expect it really was. But of course, they won’t do that.

  • taks

    I needed some good entertainment before I went to sleep, thanks MJ for posting the IDF link.

    That said, I do wish this would all just roll over and die. We have no information at all on the voting breakdown and because American Idol is ultimately a voting competition, any speculation on the legitimacy of the winner is purely speculation.

    I’ll end this post the same way I’ve ended all of mine:

    Adam and Kris are both outstanding people and I hope their futures are everything they’ve dreamed of.

  • weelassie

    Pj

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just mentioning this because I was in CA one week and AI wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t let me vote CA time because my cell is in central. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s based on area code, I guess. I have no idea what they discard or not.

    lol one of those sites talks about the area code your phone has as opposed to where you physically are. Seems they covered all bases.
    I’m all for having 10 votes per line and that is it.

  • Truthiness

    fiction?? LOL NYT might not have taken out an ad in support of adam, but reading their articles you could see a clear bias towards mr. lambert..

    So some liveblog had people who were disappointed. Okay. Doesn’t negate that the first actual article in the paper itself, wasn’t pro Adam Lambert. It was a piece about his being gay(?) and what that meant for America and ambigious sexuality and rock and yadda yadda. The latest piece after Kris winning was not be flattering to either Adam or Kris. So two out of two actual articles about Adam weren’t pro-Adam. One was about the gay glam boy and the other thinks he’s a phoney and that Kris is bland. Eh.

    I find it interesting that people getting upset about this article and this charge, justifiably so, I myself have expressed several times that I don’t like it, may be doing what the article itself is doing. Which is taking some facts and than making a narrative around that, that doesn’t necessarily take into account all the other facts, and is instead, opinion or speculation.

    Another example for me is that there are demonstrably some crazy people on IDF who are overreacting about Adam. But not even all of IDF is like that, much less all Adam fans. I personaly wouldn’t and don’t, tar any other fanbase with the craziest of it’s denizens. I mean, I think most of any fans on IDF are grammar challenged bores, so I don’t assign that one fanbase or another. I don’t go there unless I want to test how strong my spyware is and download some media. But I personally think, and hopefully no offense to mj, but I think saying that some claims on IDF that are the ones that got the NYT to do an article? Is this any more logical than those people on IDF making those claims. I mean, really, one bunch of some fantards on one message board have that much power? Hmm. What are they text voting from Arkansas by the milliions now as well?

  • erinnthered

    Erinn, I flove you, but I went to the Huffington Post and saw my least fave local DJ Mancow doing another publicity stunt. Just no. I couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deal, so I need a real link.

    HERE’s a link to the HuffPo page with comments.

    Actually I was thinking about linking you the Mancow thing because it’s kinda awesome. He took up Olbermann’s challenge to be waterboarded, and now he’s agreeing that it is actually torture! Hannity is still a douchenozzle though.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    The only way to end this is for the Idol people to come out and say that the vote difference was so large. Which I expect it really was. But of course, they wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do that.

    Nah, people would just say they were lying. And honestly, I don’t believe the vote difference was that large. DI can predict slam dunks. And yes, there were more text voters this season but if you divide difference between the number of weeks, it’s not that great.

    Actually I was thinking about linking you the Mancow thing because ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s kinda awesome. He took up Olbermannà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s challenge to be waterboarded, and now heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s agreeing that it is actually torture! Hannity is still a douchenozzle though.

    Yeah, he’s agreeing, but this is a man who has admitted that he can’t open doors because he’s afraid of germs. I’m sorry. I can’t stand Mancow and don’t respect him for admitting it was more than he could take. Note that he said it was torture. Did he say it was unacceptable?

  • erinnthered

    What did that Tears for Fears guy say? Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a TV Show that is designed to sell you things. AT&T couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t give two shits who wins. I bet that AT&T encourages reps to go to all voting rallys they can find out about. Did Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans have voting rallys? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure these fuckers wouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve shown up if they knew about them with their grubby paws out with one side of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“helpà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and forty sides of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“make the sale.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Hee! Exactly!

    WELL THE à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“TEARS FOR FEARSà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  SINGER CURT SMITH JUST TWITTERED THIS SAME NYT ARTICLE:

    Now I get it – http://bit.ly/i8gWM
    36 minutes ago from TweetDeck

    (IN RESPONSE TO WHY ADAM LOST)

    ..i am upset too that he lost, but good things will come hopefullyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦this issue sucks

    All this proves is that he, like the reporter who isn’t familiar with Idol over the years, was taken in by some rabid fans who take this too seriously…and that maybe your capslock key could use a break? I say this with love, cause I do love your spoilers, but I swear I can hear it weeping from Texas.

  • hypertwink

    DI can predict slam dunks.

    But DI has been really effed up this year. If they were on point, Kris would not have won because he was on the bottom of DI for like 2 weeks in a row, I think. Still, I pity Kris because this is even worse than last year (and I thought that Cook got it bad for the shock upset meme after the Finale).

  • riaspark17

    I’m still a bitter Adam fan (lol “bitterbert” according to Rickey) but i really wish this story would go far, far away. I don’t want Adam’s name attached to any AT&T/Idol scandal, true or false.

  • http://www.equinoxrpg.com dreamr

    I only voted a few times for Kris during the finale. The lines were constantly busy ,and I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t live in Arkansas.

    I don’t live in Arkansas either and I got many more busy signals than votes. And when I was voting, Arkansas wasn’t. At least not for an hour or so. So we can’t blame them for my busy signals. At least not all of them.

    All the other stuff (voting parties, free phones, power vote training, etcà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦) was NOT retracted and remains a fact. THATà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what people are focusing on right now.

    And that is new this season…how? As many, many people have already said in this thread, voting parties, AT&T handing out phones, fansites telling people how to power vote is nothing new. If this was the first year that had happened, then maybe it might be newsworthy. However, the only difference this year is media darling Adam didn’t win. Had Adam’s fans been given phones and he won, I doubt it’d be an issue.

    Sure, they may have more farmers than in California – but you honestly think that farmers are less hardworking than your average Californian or that everyone who lives in Arkansas just sits around twiddling their thumbs all day?

    I’m from the South and I have to say that you would be amazed at some of the stereotypes we deal with. I used to work in a Southern Regional office for an international corporation (Weyerhaeuser) and I actually had someone from the corporate office ask me over the phone if our office had e-mail and knew how to use it. I was seriously like “…did he seriously just ask me that?” lol

    Hey, the real person thrown under the bus all season was Allison.

    Amen. :(

    Allison was my overall favorite this year (Kris was my second favorite) and the judges annoyed me something terrible whenever they would critique her. Even when they gave her a compliment, it was always followed by something negative about her personality or her clothing or whatever. But oh well. She doesn’t have to worry about them anymore and going to be fine. :)

  • GeminiDolly

    If only they knew they are actually doing more damage then good. Make this go away.

  • erinnthered

    Yes, I remember a bunch of fanbases talking about it in S5. However, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how to do it, because I did not do it. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have the energy to care THAT much.

    Sadly, I remember this…vaguely. It involved the old setup for Skype. I believe this window has since been closed. Thankfully!

    I remember sending some of the old SP voting info to Team Plaid in season 6, and some of that stuff made my skin crawl – thankfully theirs too (because Sarah and pj are made of awesome!) – but that one for Adam voters? *shudder*

    In all fairness, I’m sure that all the fanbases have gotten pretty skeery in their tactics over the years. I’m certain Kris fans sent out similar emails. The thing is, none of it is new! It’s part and parcel of getting this far, and old fanbases share the info with the new ones, just as I did.

    ETA: Totally agree that Allison got the bus! No personality my ass!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    But I personally think, and hopefully no offense to mj, but I think saying that some claims on IDF that are the ones that got the NYT to do an article? May be only slightly less logical than those people on IDF making those claims. I mean, really, one bunch of some fantards on one message board have that much power? Hmm.

    Did I actually say that? No I did not. I said it would be HILARIOUS if it were true. Reread my post please.

    This is the second time you’ve twisted my words.

  • erinnthered

    Yeah, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s agreeing, but this is a man who has admitted that he canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t open doors because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s afraid of germs. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sorry. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stand Mancow and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t respect him for admitting it was more than he could take. Note that he said it was torture. Did he say it was unacceptable?

    It certainly sounded that way. He said that it was like drowning, and that if someone had used this technique while interrogating him he would have confessed to anything. I’d say that’s saying it’s unacceptable!

    ETAA: Hey IDFers, it never even occurred to me to pitch this story to the NY Post. Because, uhmà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s STUPID.

    You too?! Oh boy, these people are clueless.

    Makes me happy that people like Adam and Kris exist both seem to care so much about charity and helping and encouraging people, and seem to see that there are bigger things in this world than a tv talent show. Why can’t their “fans” be inspired by them?

  • Truthiness

    Did I actually say that? No I did not. I said it would be HILARIOUS if it were true. Reread my post please.

    This is the second time youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve twisted my words.

    Yikes! Not trying to twist your words here at all. I wish it didn’t happen, but I don’t always get the intention of the author and can upon reading someone, just genuinely misintrepet/not get what they are trying to say. It does happen that alas, I am occasionally wrong in my reading/comprehension of what the author intended. If that is the case here, and clearly it is, than sorry. My bad. Not my intention at all to twist your words. Now I feel bad. Stupid brain! :dunce_tb: You’ve failed me!

    Well I maintain this article is dumb, unnecessary and hurts both Kris and Adam, so it doubly sucks. sigh.

  • adh1018

    Wellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ would you call it a simple watch party that has free food and has a football stadium full of people just in Conway, Arkansas alone? It wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a small number of phones handed out either.

    But, it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t matter. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s over. For me this is a stupid thing to be a topic on the Tuesday after the finale.

    According to the article and this quote, it was:

    A few local employees brought a small number
    of demo phones with them and provided texting tutorials to those who were interested.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

  • AdamLikesCarrie

    shut up now….no use to complain this and that….U decide the winner already…who cares whether it’s cheating or not??? give me the evidence … i am a fan of adam lambert but i think you guys are growling like road side dogs , homeless and nothing!!!

  • emmuzka

    The only remotely good thing out of this would be if Idol producers would feel pressured enough over this to release the actual amount of votes cast and the share percentages.

  • dramallama

    I recall an article stating AT&T stores provided a row of chargers for people to use and 80 phones were provided for use at the events, not given away, 50 at one location and 30 at another.

    It’s hardly like Arkansas was carpet bombed with free phones programmed to dial for Kris.

  • Chipmunk

    All I can say is

    LOL!!!!!

  • weelassie

    pj
    May 27th, 2009 at 2:10 am
    Hey, the real person thrown under the bus all season was Allison.

    agree and then some:)

  • Cakenbake

    Arkansas has a population of 2.8 million. For Kris to have gotten 38 millions from Arkansas every man, woman AND child would have to vote for Kris over 100 times. EVERYONE OF THEM.

    Yet according to Dial Idol, which is a sampling of the general population vote, there were PEOPLE VOTING FOR ADAM.

    You can see for yourself according to the sampling. ADAM LAMBERT GOT VOTES IN ARKANSAS.

    http://www.dialidol.com/asp/predictions/geopredictions.asp

    So that would be impossible.

  • Sunn

    This is getting surreal! People sniping at each other from across the virtual ends of a virtual blogospheric street. It’s reminiscent of the MYDD/DKos primary wars, but that was about the US election this is over a poxy reality show.

    Surreality bites.

  • Cakenbake

    Plus according to Dial Idol which people were using to vote. More people in Arkansas voted for Adam over Kris then some other states that went for Kris.

    Meaning the 38 million votes from Arkansas IS IMPOSSIBLE, because EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD would have to vote for Kris over 100 times.

    Yet Dial Idol shows that people were voting for Adam Lambert in Arkansas also. So there goes that theory.

  • linsav

    Sunn May 27th, 2009 at 3:18 am

    This is getting surreal! People sniping at each other from across the virtual ends of a virtual blogospheric street. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s reminiscent of the MYDD/DKos primary wars, but that was about the US election this is over a poxy reality show.

    Surreality bites.

    I agree. And the media sucks. Its over, Kris won, he is happy, Adam is happy. Hell, life is going on – let’s all take a page from Adam when he said “I’m looking forward.”

  • Tony

    Some people just can’t face it. I know it’s hard to believe, but the underdog DID win this time :)

  • d. b. cooper

    * monitor that everyone in your household votes for Adam

    * involve young children, who may need some financial or reward incentives

    Oh wow, that’s great. Could you imagine living in a household like that? “It votes for _____ or it gets the hose again.”

  • Chipmunk

    Most of the popular contestants have Rabid fans.Seem the same cycle over the years from fans of the 2 Davids, Clay, Hicks, Castro and season 8 is no different. Obviously rabidity exists in the Adam and Allen camps,poor buggers,LOL!.

    The only bright side to the story is that maybe just maybe AI might consider the voting regime for the next couple of seasons till it runs its course.I doubt AI or Simon will be around for that much longer, so I say get the discussion out there for future singing reality competiitons.Obviously votes are skewered and are no way a good representation of the entire viewing public. No wonder they win and come out into the real music world and very rarely make it big in the industry.

    Anyway for me Kris has won, for whatever reason, it’s over and I’m looking forward to lambert’s career and wish them both the best. BUT there is nothing wrong in having this article out there to spread the word, or at least to get a few chuckles as the fanbases war among themselves.So I chuckle at the indignation…I hope the media covers it extensively so i can have a good laugh from the sidelines :biggrin_wp:

    People like me who werent even in the know about how all these voting campaigns and arent that invested can now continue in my cynicism that AI is just a reality show like Big Brother, that rallies the masses, nothing more and nothing less. I will continue to enjoy it for what it is very light entertainment :mrgreen_wp:

  • Chrissy

    Kris won, end of story. Adam is doing just fine, and seems to have a positive attitude about the future,and more importantly, he’s happy for Kris.

    There are lots of reasons why someone wins and the other doesn’t, but at this point, I’m happy for both. Adam is my favorite, but I can’t begrudge Kris anything-he’s a sweet guy with a lot of talent, who just happened to have several really great performances-Heartless was a major hit for him at just the right time. Personally, I was happy I got to watch Adam from the beginning to the end of the season!

  • wand3rful

    So some liveblog had people who were disappointed. Okay. Doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t negate that the first actual article in the paper itself, wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t pro Adam Lambert.

    the “people” who were disappointed are the very same journalists who write for the arts and entertainment section of the paper LOL these were not random fans writting the finale blog…these are the folks responsible for reporting the news. makes a big azz difference (IMO) if you have disappointed/bummed adam fans covering Idol news…just sayin; ;)

    their first article regaring lambert and his sexuality…was PRO adam, in terms of his talent.

    because they discussed the hoopla over his sexuality and in general society/media’s obsession with such, it isnt to say the paper itself was against adam as a contestant. to talk about adam wearing makeup ISNT negative, they werent’ treating it as such…the whole point of the article was to say it doesnt matter this day and age (hence the “go ask Brandon Flowers, M. Manson, etc”at the end).

    please compare the two references to both adam and kris in the very same article…

    Adam:
    “You are swivel hipped and pillow lipped. You have an outsize talent and a fondness for Cher. You have blond hair dyed black and styled in an asymmetrical shag. ”

    ” Kris Allen, a generic teen idol type with a waxed cowlick and a lopsided smile”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/fashion/12gayidol.html?scp=7&sq=adam lambert&st=cse

    LOL, i dont know about you, but i would rather be considered an outsize talent vs generic…call me qwazy

  • skylight1219

    When will this controversy end? Or will it? Hopefully, when the tour starts, people can go see their fave and just chill.

    People should’ve seen this coming. While Gokey and Lambert were both getting tongue baths from the judges, Kris, the quiet storm, snuck up on them in his non-threatening way. Once Gokey was gone, it was clear sailing to the finish line for him. That isn’t too hard to figure out. I don’t know how it would’ve gone if it had been Danny and Adam in the finale, because I don’t know where Kris’s votes would’ve gone. It may have been a tighter race at that point. That’s assuming, of course, that it wasn’t a close race. It’s odd that Ryan said he didn’t ask the vote totals. I don’t believe him. He always knows. Always!

    It’s all good, and I’m sick of this subject. LOL

  • babybelle32

    To answer the question “can we actually say or know that Kris is the winner,” the answer is yes. This is just a tv show people, we aren’t voting for the President. The system is fair, because the winner is based on the person who gets the most votes. If people like someone, it doesn’t matter why they are voting for them. There’s nothing that says people have to vote, or that they have to vote for who has the most talent (whatever that may mean to each individual who votes.) There shouldn’t be a limit on how many votes a person can cast, nobody says you have to vote for the entire four hours or that you have to vote at all. It is about having fun, and wanting to vote for the person who you like. It’s not that serious people, it’s just a tv show. It is beyond time to move on from this. A segment of the Adam fans are just hurting him, I do believe it was stuff like this that turned some radio stations off from supporting his music, and being a niche artist, Adam is going to have enough troubles as it is finding stations to play his music.

    More votes were cast for Kris, that’s the end of the story. If Adam fans wanted him to win, then they should have tried harder. The situation was the same for both, we knew how close things would be since only 1 million votes seperated them the week before.

  • d. b. cooper

    Worked up the guts to dip into the big bag of crazy that is that IDF thread, my favorite post so far:

    My ATT phone bill is DOUBLE this month because I added unlimited text plans to both phones. Do you think I enjoy paying this when I know Adam never stood a chance because they helped in Arkansas.

    Seriously I dont even want to pay this. Its not about winning or losing, its about TRICKING me into buying a text plan when the person I voted for never had a chance

    I really would love to hear that customer service call. “You don’t want to pay your phone bill because of what?!?!?!?!?”

  • cwy

    Unfortunately, this article may actually be gaining some traction, as I have seen at least several articles “reporting” the same thing sprining up on the web since last night. Even more unfortunate is that most of these papers/websites appear to be factually challenged, and the story just keeps getting twisted as it gets “re-reported” by other news agencies. One of the articles that I read now “reports” that AT&T was apparently giving out free phones in Arkansas with a special program called “Power Text” that will allow the users to send many texts/votes by just clicking a button. If they were going to report this nonsense, I wish they would at least check their facts. Hope this story dies soon, if not, hope that TPTB at AI and AT&T would come out and definitively refute it. This is unfair to both Kris and Adam.

  • Chipmunk

    All this focus on a thread on an IDF fanboard is starting to sound VFTW/Idoltard-eque to me…I never thought I’d see a point and laugh thread on this blog, which is where it is going with quotes being brought over etc..just saying,LOL

    Having said that…I ventured to read the first few pages, because I rarely venture to IDF except for pictures and JEsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssss……………

    :jittery_tb: :shock_tb:

    Scary shit!

  • fortunefox

    To think that this article will hurt Adam is insane. Sorry, but it’s just not going to happen. Adam is not the one crying foul, he’s been very gracious and seems to have taken it very well.

    I think the reason the media is still talking about this, is because people are still talking about this, and it sells papers. But iIt’s not just the media, entertainment people, etc., it’s also the everyday person. Reading blogs is a skewed perception of how the majority feels. Millions of people watched Idol and about 200 post on any given comment, that’s not reflective of the population. There are questions I believe in the back of peoples mind whenever there’s an upset like this. People need to rationalize things.

    Let me ask you all this….if something really did go awry (NOT SAYING IT DID), but if it did would you even want to know?

    Personally I don’t think the voting is legit in any case. It should be one phone number one vote, period. This phone scam thing is ridiculous, I’m more upset with the media for trying to make it a cultural war.

  • linsav

    Chipmunk May 27th, 2009 at 4:24 am

    All this focus on a thread on an IDF fanboard is starting to sound VFTW/Idoltard-eque to meà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I never thought Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d see a point and laugh thread on this blog, which is where it is going with quotes being brought over etc..just saying,LOL

    Having said thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I ventured to read the first few pages, because I rarely venture to IDF except for pictures and JEsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    :jittery_tb: :shock_tb:

    Scary shit!

    I like your posts and agree with your take on things, so I will take your word for it and stay far, far away from the IDF fan board.

  • storm45701

    Kris Allen fans should contact the Times editorial department and the reporter directly, IMO. I have never seen such a vicious rumor campaign, and can’t believe that the Times decided to listen. The Times needs to understand how these rumor campaigns happen, and have happened since Clay Aiken.

    Every year, fans of the losing Idol come out with crazy conspiracy theories about how their guy lost and how the votes had to have been rigged or tampered with.
    It’s nothing new. What is new is the level of attack, purposefully orchestrated to de-legitimize the show and its winner.

    I just don’t understand what Lambert fans hope to accomplish other than personal destruction…not just for Mr. Allen, but for their own Idol, as well.

  • linsav

    storm45701 May 27th, 2009 at 5:00 am

    Kris Allen fans should contact the Times editorial department and the reporter directly, IMO. I have never seen such a vicious rumor campaign, and canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe that the Times decided to listen. The Times needs to understand how these rumor campaigns happen, and have happened since Clay Aiken.

    Every year, fans of the losing Idol come out with crazy conspiracy theories about how their guy lost and how the votes had to have been rigged or tampered with.
    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nothing new. What is new is the level of attack, purposefully orchestrated to de-legitimize the show and its winner.

    I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand what Lambert fans hope to accomplish other than personal destructionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦not just for Mr. Allen, but for their own Idol, as well.

    No, make that Adam Lambert’s sane fans as well. Adam does not deserve this BS to be done in his name. Unfrakking believable. Anyone who had viewed AI for any of the 8 seasons knows voting has always been flawed and complained about after each finale. Can’t we just move forward already?

  • Kath77

    People are missing the point about the NYT story. It has nothing to do about the fans. The focus of the piece is on the so-called powervoting and how AT&T and AI exploit it. Most non-fantard fans and casual viewers of the show know nothing about powervoting. They vote a couple times and get on with their lives. They have no idea that a small group of people can sway the outcome.

    The NYT is reporting on this slant because AI is the biggest show on t.v. There is no big surprise about that, and MJ, as a freelancer who has pitched stories to outlets, I’m surprised that you’re surprised.

  • http://stores.ebay.com/BookWomanBlues-Book-Nook Bobbi

    The New York Times is in its death throes. As a result, they are happy to publish anything that they think will garner a reaction and get people to read their product. It doesn’t surprise me at all that they’ve latched on to American Idol and all of the various conflicts that surround it every year. It is truly sad to see what was once a very proud institution just crumble before our eyes.

    Kris won because he got the most votes. Period – end of story.

  • WestiesRule

    OMG! You were sooooo right.This c**p is ALL over the news this morning.C’mon America…. REALLY!!!!

  • houstonrufus

    Wow. I’m glad I don’t have a dog in this fight. I got enough of all this wild eyed theorizing last year to last me a lifetime.

    Makes for interesting reading though!! LOL.

  • houstonrufus

    Btw, after some time in the idol trenches–two places I never go anymore. Ever. Scary boards and IDF. I don’t have the time and I’d like to put off going bald for as long as I can.

  • KrisAllen1

    Adsm should be really proud of his fans for doing this to his good friend.I dont think Kris fans did anything wrong.Adam fans probulary cheated to.Am i suppose to believe that only Kris fans only power-texted while Adam fans didnt?

  • Cakenbake

    When Allison left her votes went mainly to Adam and Kris.

    That pushed Kris over Danny when it was a 3 way tie between Danny, Kris and Adam. Plus Kris’s performance of Heartless was great.

    Danny fans were not going to vote for their main competitor Adam. So those votes went to Kris, and that is how Kris won.

  • Cakenbake

    Adam fans had websites also. So why the drama. So a an AT&T employee went to a couple of watch parties. That is what the story says. So how many people is that? 40 tops. Don’t tell me 40 people are going to vote 38 million times.

    http://adam-lambert.org/hardcore-voting-guide/

    http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=605848&mode=threaded

    http://m.twitter.com/AdamLambertVOTE

  • elw

    The only reason there is a ‘conspiracy theory’ is because the best man didn’t win.

  • anna in vegas

    This entire thing is freaking ridiculous. For those of you who have posted that this will hurt Adam’s career………How can anyone hold Adam responsible for a very small percentage of his fanbase? How can you say this will harm his career? Doesn’t every fanbase have their low-lifes? Just asking……

  • KrisAllen1

    I think Kris won by himself.Lets not forget that he got to the top 2 and 3 without no Danny votes.He was never in the b2 like Adam.The judges wouldnt call it but Kris was a frontrunner.We saw that after Falling Slowly and even Aint no sunshine.

    Adam wasnt the only one with good performances.God with these blogs and threads you would think that only adam could sing this season lol.I know some people that hate or didnt like Adam.Its possiable people that people liked Kris more.I see that’s hard to believe but its the truth.America needs to face it and
    get over it.

    I feel for both guys.This all makes most Adam fans look like rude people.I bet
    even he feels bad for his buddy right know.Kris is probulary feeling guilty thanks to angry adam fans and the media.He doesnr derserve it.in fact none
    of these guys derserve this.

  • Chipmunk

    Adam fans probulary cheated too.

    LOL! :thumbup_tb: Can NYT quote you on that?

    Scary boards and IDF. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have the time and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d like to put off going bald for as long as I can

    Those places could make you age faster.Seriously scary stuff I read this morning,LOL.

  • Chipmunk

    Makes for interesting reading though!! LOL.

    It sure does :razz_wp:, anyway it will all ease off once tour starts

  • St.Lucia

    I haven’t read all five pages of posts, but this crap is absolutely ridiculous and I can’t BELIEVE the Times would post this would even double checking things…

    It just screams desperate on all people involved.

    I’m a gigantic Adam fan, and while I may have silently speculated on what the hell happened to why he didn’t win, I’m OVER IT now and can sufficiently move on with my life. Kris won. End of story.

    Fans like this make decent fans look bad. I’m just embarrassed that some Adam fans can’t let this go…and the sad fact of the matter is, its probably people who should be old enough to know better on a lot of this.

    I’m embarrassed for Adam and Adam fans who have a brain.

  • anovich

    Adam’s fans need to leave this alone. For all people know the At&T people at Kris’ parties might have simply been Kris fans and offered to help out – I doubt they went without invitations. Plus, how many votes do you think this really brought to the final numbers?

    Adam fans could have, and likely did, do the same things as Kris fans. The only reason Kris fans aren’t crying foul is because won.

    It’s been alsmot a week – it’s time to move on and let both these guys enjoy the beginnings of their future careers.

  • RONTEX

    I know this is all a bit crazy, but Huffington Post just posted this article about the ATT text party but is also stating that the representatives were helping assist them in “power voting” (10 texts at a time) which is def in conflict with Idol voting regulations.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/business/media/27idol.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

    I don’t think Kris necessarily won unfairly but I do think that Idol needs to re-evaluate it’s system for voting and possibly change it to one per phone.

  • http://stores.ebay.com/BookWomanBlues-Book-Nook Bobbi

    Oh good grief! Now Good Morning America is going to address this subject at some time this morning. Unbelievable!

  • hypertwink

    The only reason there is a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹conspiracy theoryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ is because the best man didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win.

    Someone’s best man is another’s audio nightmare.

  • SSZor

    Adam never had the chance to win American Idol.
    Think about it.
    Even if it was Danny vs Adam finale, Adam can’t win it too!
    It is the time for Blamberts to know, maybe you sound loud, but you are the minority!
    Adam is your Idol, But he never should be American Idol

  • chrgi

    I’m pretty sure AI reserves the right to throw out votes that are considered powervoting. So that makes the claims of swaying the vote even more ridiculous. The show would have thrown out those votes anyways!

  • annabelina

    The only reason there is a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹conspiracy theoryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ is because the best man didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win.

    YMMV. It’s all perception driven by the show and the media. I think it’s safe to say that Kris can’t do what Adam does, and Adam can’t do what Kris does. There is no “best”, only the measure of appeal.

    The headlines post is going to suck today. My only fear is that this crap gets dragged into the interviews with Kris and Adam this week.

  • Adamdebomb

    Well MJ, now the Early Show on CBS has picked up the story.

    If Allison or Danny had won, I do not think there would BE a story. Kris is the nicest guy on the planet, but he just isn’t that good. (my opinion only of course). ATT is firmly entrenched in Arkansas-not so popular in California (Verizon is number one there I think)

    I do think the voting policies rate an investigation, and I hope next year they change to a more ‘Dancing with the Stars’ type of situation.

  • Chipmunk

    Its all over the media as we speak, all this talk about bad fans and good fans and desperate fans and how bad Adam looks is just for blogs such as this…

    Fact is the American viewing public who arent so invested in anything other than just watching the show, will learn something new today about the AI loving world and all the crazy voting and overinvestment that goes on Behind the scenes

    I dont see what the big deal is..in the long run, its a good thing for future shows

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Kris necessarily won unfairly but I do think that Idol needs to re-evaluate ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s system for voting

    My sentiments exactly!

  • mitchellvii

    You are TOTALLY MISSING THE POINT in your article.

    The key is not AT&T providing free phones and service, the point is the use of “technological enhancements” to generate “blocks of votes which unfairly affect the outcome”.

    Any reasonable person would consider 5000 text votes from a single phone to be “blocks of votes which unfairly affect the outcome”, wouldn’t they?

    Idol should be forced to go back and apply a “reasonable votes” standard to these text votes and throw out any that exceed a reasonable number cast for a single person sending one text at a time.

    WHY THE HECK do you think Idol refuses to release how many votes separated the two contestants when the country “thought” it was so close? because it was a blowout that would make no sense except for the “power-texting”.

    So why didn’t Idol just throw these votes out? Because it would have made the Finale voting MUCH less than last year and showed the world that Idol is fading as a franchise.

    Think about this – Idol viewership is down 18% from last year, but they set a record for votes in the Finale? Makes no sense.

  • mitchellvii

    edit: don’t lecture posters…dial it back please

  • clearone

    Adsm should be really proud of his fans for doing this to his good friend.I dont think Kris fans did anything wrong.Adam fans probulary cheated to.Am i suppose to believe that only Kris fans only power-texted while Adam fans didnt?

    Like Adam has any control over it? What’s he supposed to do about it? No artist has any control over their crazy fans.

    Adam is your Idol, But he never should be American Idol

    :question_wp:

  • SpenserJ

    Wow, way to make the Claymates look almost sane in comparison. That was some funny/scary stuff on IDF.
    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Fox is just ecstatic people are still talking about the show a week later.

    Ah, but some of these people probably ARE Claymates, or former Claymates. The one thing we often forget, is that a big bunch of the crazies in each fanbase, are actually the same people year after year. They just switch their crazy to a new favorite each season. Then, they can be on their merry way feeling indignant all over the blogosphere.

    There are a lot of really great things about the internet. But, one of the bad ones can be: too much time in one place with people who feed off of each other turns them into this cultlike thing with a myopic view. All of the crazy behavior just gets encouraged, and they all keep upping the ante on each other in their quest to see who really is the true queen of the fanbase.

    Those places could make you age faster.Seriously scary stuff I read this morning,LOL.

    You’re a brave soldier. I’d be far too scared to ever go there LOL.

    Honestly, if people are still going on ad naseum about voting conspiracies a week later, they should start considering that perhaps they’ve gone round the bend. There is a cure though – turn off the computer and return to real life for a few days.

  • mitchellvii

    The REAL SCANDAL here is that Idol KNEW the power-texting was a violation of their rules but reported the numbers anyway tto hide that voting was down for the year.

  • shruco

    The media never takes it well when America votes for someone they don’t approve of. Ask any politician who falls out of their favor for any reason. I feel sorry for Kris.

    Someone should point that NYT “reporter” and the line of sheep following him/her to the great article at WNTS. Based on their data, Kris had already overtaken Adam and Danny in general popularity as early as the Top 9 show, but he hadn’t built up nearly as many power voters yet. I don’t think the media wants the facts to get in their way of their “Bad America!” tirade.

  • storm45701

    yeah, it’s all over. I’m sure kris will be dethroned by the weekend. Then everyone will be happy in the other camp and all will be well with the world, until no one shows up for the summer tour and no one watches next season.

  • Chipmunk

    Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re a brave soldier. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be far too scared to ever go there LOL.

    I blame MJ for that..I should never have clicked on that link, LOL

  • debbie

    I love Adam, but there was no way he was going to win this. He was not the chosen one at the start of the competition, because otherwise there would have been more “rock” performers whose votes would have fallen Adam’s way when they were voted off. It’s only natural that large blocks of votes go to a similar contestant once their contestant is voted off. I can’t believe Danny was that far behind on the top three week, which means Kris potentially had 2/3 of the votes. If Danny had been in the top 2, he would likely have had a lot of Kris’s votes, although not all because of the Kris Adam friendship. But people with similar music tastes who don’t pay a lot of attention to anything else would have voted for Danny.

    Also, keep in mind that (I don’t remember the US population and I’m not going to look it up) of the 200 million people living in the US, only 20 million or so watch Idol. The majority of the people who watch Idol like fairly mainstream pop music, because that’s who the show is geared towards. I’ve seen a lot of people post that they had never watched the show before, but they tuned in this time because of the Adam buzz. But, they never said they voted. Most people who would love Adam and will buy his albums didn’t watch the show.

    Finally, there is always the home town support. It’s been there every year, and has always added a large number of votes to the total. Yes, the people in Arkansas voted as much as they could, but the same thing happened last year for David Cook, and the year before that, and on and on.

    Yes, Idol should clean up their voting to make it more fair and to avoid controversy. But they’re not going to do it – they want to be able to say “We got almost 100 million votes!”. They’re not going to want to say “We got 5 million votes” or whatever the actual voting percentage of the 20 million watchers is.

    Regarding the New York Times – don’t they vet their stories before publishing them? Or at least do the math? Sloppy reporting.

  • SpenserJ

    Unfortunately for Kris, this will put an *asterisk* forever by his win.

    No it won’t. It’s just another in a long line of conspiracy theories. The general public doesn’t believe this crap. And, by the time Kris’s cd comes out, no one will remember this except for the uber-fans who keep perpetuating it in their tiny little worlds over the summer.

  • hypertwink

    If Allison or Danny had won, I do not think there would BE a story.

    IMO, it would be the same. From the way that every judge creamed at almost every performance of Adam’s, nobody stood a chance. Not Allison, the one Simon deemed to have no personality and treated like she was lucky to be playing with the big boys. Not Danny, who never realized the promise of his initial audition. This season was paved to ensure an Adam Lambert win.

  • jpfan

    I’m lost. How is “power voting” a violation of AI rules? I thought there was no limit on voting? And this nonsense as been going on for years. I remember back in S5, Taylor fans boasting of how many Go Phones they’d bought to vote.

    There’s an odd disconnect in some of the media too. I’m amazed at how many radio djs dislike Adam and hate the “shrieking.” I’m only aware of it because I’ve been following another Idol on a radio tour and the negativity surprises me. It’s not at the Taylor Hicks/Daughtry level but it’s out there.
    This will just fuel more animosity, unfortunately.

    In the end, another Idol scandal just pumps out the buzz. They must love it.

  • TylerWV

    I happen to think Kris won because he was talented and appealed to a larger percentage of watchers. It doesnt make him better or worse then Adam, or vice versa. Its just how it panned out. A lot of contributing factors may have played a part as well but doesnt diminish Kris’ talent. One factor I havent heard is this. In season 4 my adult daughter and I were avid Bo Bice fans and didnt like Carrie as a performer at all. The day after the finale, my daughter came by and we talked about the finale and I told her I stayed up the whole 4 hours voting for Bo and was surprised he lost. She said, well I voted for Carrie. WTH??? I asked her why when she didnt care for Carrie and was about Bo. She said ” he doesn’t look like an American Idol, she does”. LOL That amused me and made me a bit mad too. I said its a singing competition, not something from the Bible, who cares what the Idol looks like as long as they can sing. Maybe a lot loved Adam but didnt think a 27 yr old rocker with eyeliner looked like an American Idol, and Im in no way at all referring to his being gay or not, merely passing along a comment that floored me in season 4 .

  • SpenserJ

    Adam was likely screwed out of a victory here and it needs to be investigated.

    It’s just a TV talent show. It’s just really not important enough to get worked up over. I doubt anything happened here that hasn’t happened in years past. Kris’s fans just worked harder.

    Adam seems to be handling the loss gracefully. It would be nice if some other people could.

    I’m disgusted that the press is pandering to these nutters.

  • chrgi

    Powervoting in the sense of putting in 5704 1000 times and just pressing send once for “1000 votes” . That’s different than actually pressing send 1000 to one number.

  • Glenda

    This year is finished–done. But there is another year coming. The entire voting system is a MESS. It should be similar to “Dancing With The Stars” — that would fix it. Perhaps a 15 vote limit–ISP ID/phone number ID.

    Put the GO to the GO-Phones.

  • Andysgirl

    Just saw a promo on The Early Show, who aparently picked up this story. It is just plain silly!!

  • t2

    Heh…and here I was thinking the real conspiracy was that Ken Warwick had placed this article with the New York Times in order to keep people talking about this cheesy show a week after the finale….

  • jpfan

    I don’t blame Adam’s fans for making a big deal of this but in the end, it’ll be a negative for him. The judges and the media have seriously underestimated Kris’ appeal to the viewers. And I think if Adam’s fans think it took a voting conspiracy for Kris to win, they’re seriously mistaken.

  • Chipmunk

    Hehà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and here I was thinking the real conspiracy was that Ken Warwick had placed this article with the New York Times in order to keep people talking about this cheesy show a week after the finaleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    LOL! :laugh_tb:

  • clearone

    Oh yeah the flames of fanwars are fanned again.

    Bottom line if AI had fair voting practices, there wouldn’t be a need for any of these discussions. DWTS still has upsets with appearance of a fair and balanced voting system. It isn’t as glamorous but it can be done.

  • http://stores.ebay.com/BookWomanBlues-Book-Nook Bobbi

    GMA had a brief news item about it, but just announced that Kara is going to be on tomorrow. Bet it will be mentioned then! The tease was that they’d talk about “the bikini moment among other things.”

  • jpfan

    By the way, I knew something was up when a percentage of Adam fans went overboard attacking anyone who voted for Gokey. It was all red state, evangelicals, homophobia, anti-Semitism. That’s when Gokey was the threat and now that nice guy Kris won – it’s pig farmers with advanced technology.

    It’s like you can’t vote FOR someone, it’s always a vote AGAINST Adam for a nefarious reason or a conspiracy. Very odd, indeed.

  • leome

    I hope The New York Times wakes up today and feels ashamed. What a pathetic piece of journalism. Can’t they even research?
    I feel bad for Kris, because this is all a bit disrespectful to him. And the problem here is that the media never wanted him to win too, now they’re all trying to attack him.

    And the Adam fans? Guess someone was right when they said that the Claymates had a new idol.

    Adam and Kris try really hard to show they’re friends and they accept each other, but their message is not passing.

  • MaryS-NJ

    Oh good grief.

    I lost all respect for the NY Times during that last Presidential Primary when they picked their pony early and crafting their “reporting” to fit the narrative they were trying to tell. This, sadly, doesn’t surprise me.

    The media and the journos are an echo chamber, kind of like what happens in the online fandom, actually. They have their “conventional wisdom” of their own design and when it’s proven false, it does not compute for these people. They must assume there is some nefarious scheme because they can’t possibly be wrong in their assumptions. /sarcasm Sheesh.

    Poor Kris, who will forever be tainted by the “Adam wuz robbed!!!!1!!! narrative.

    Poor Adam, who will have the albatross of crazy fandom hanging around his shoulders even after the conspiracy theories are proven to be the crap that they are.

    There are plenty of logical reasons to explain why Kris won without some vote scandal. There’s an interesting perspective over at “What Not to Sing” about Kris’ progression on the show that makes a lot of sense to me. It’s called Allen’s Wrench and the first part as been posted here: http://www.whatnottosing.com/#hped
    By this theory, Adam’s core fanbase was deep but more narrow, Kris’ fanbase was shallow but more broad. Casual fans carried the day.

    As for the power voting… it’s been going on all season. Every week during the season has been a new record over the previous one. The fact that more and more people have unlimited text messaging probably accounts for the difference.

    My daughter is not an AT&T customer but knows how to send broadcast text messages without any “help” from the people at Verizon coaching her. Ask any 13 year old girl with a cell phone and text package and they’re quite capable of explaining it (even to an old fart like me).

    Grr Argh.

  • Victoria

    Looks like I’m late to the party…

    I was lurking on the scaries a week or so ago (they’re crazy but I looking a certain piece of info, can’t remember what it was now), and I’m pretty sure there was an Adam fan who was at one of his big viewing parties, and they got a free phone from AT&T too. So unless they were lying and/or I’ve totally lost it, the NYT definately didn’t do their research.

    ETA: Oh, and that thread MJ linked to? Now I know where the Claymates went. :blink_tb:

  • sallyas1

    At this point I think it has gone past Adam’s fans screaming conspiracy. ABC news and Good Morning America is on the story now as well.

    Contrary to many on the thread, I don’t think it is a stupid story. It highlights one thing – AI cares more about their ability to say “100 million” votes instead of checking if those votes are valid. The idea that it has happened before – with viewing parties for Elliott Yamin and Taylor Hicks – justifies nothing.

    It is a clear violation of the voting rules. I’m happy the news outlets are on the story now. Maybe they can get AI to clean up their act and put a halt on AT&T picking favorites.

    With that said – with AI in particular it does not matter. The reward means nothing on AI anymore. Any of the finalists can get record deals. Whoever’s cd is ready first will drop first – and does not have to wait for the winner (though at one time the winner’s cd did drop first). Even the coronation song is recorded by the final 2 – and I hear Adam’s is the version being more requested on radio. (though Kris’s is on the Itunes chart).

    I’m not sure why Adam or Kris would want to win American Idol. Getting to the final 2, with the publicity that comes along, is the reward. Does the American Idol winner get anything over the runnerup?

  • Danica_K

    I am an Adam fan, and I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t let this go and hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s why: Adam was the most amazing, consistently awesome person this season and it was his win. Kris is good, but heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no superstar. Adam is a superstarà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.. I also disagree that Adam was pimped. Adam was awesome and the judges called it as they saw ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Maybe Adam was the most amazing, consistently awesome person this year for YOU. Not everyone shares the same opinion.

    Some people love Jason Mraz, some people love NIN. It’s all down to taste. If I were standing in the store with a Kris CD in one hand and an Adam CD in the other, there’s no doubt I would buy the Kris CD. I simply enjoy his style of music more than I enjoy Adam’s.

    Don’t get me wrong, Adam seems like a super nice guy and I do like him as a person. His singing and musical style just aren’t what I want to listen to. That doesn’t diminish his talent, which is evident. It’s just not what some folks, including myself, prefer.

    As far as the judges not pimping him, I have to disagree with you on that one as well. He did get pimped quite heavily by the judges. Adam was consistent, but he was also pimped.

  • sallyas1

    I’m highly for a DWTS voting system. With the finale, I could vote 10 times total. 5 times per email address (which I only have 1) and 5 times by phone. I was pretty amazed when I received an error message on my phone for the 6th vote. That win was equally surprising – Shawn over Gilles. And I wasn’t happy about that result either. But at least I find that result more valid than Kris’s win over Adam.

  • http://thescraploft.blogspot.com/ kizgold

    Wow just wow. Great piece mj. I am actually shocked at how some fans are acting. Everyone’s fanbases power voted. So a few employees gave out a few free phones at 2 parties? Just because those were free, does not make it any better that some Adam fans reportedly bought 5-10 go phones each to do the same thing. Not our fault they paid money for them. Should their votes not be counted as well? The bottom line is this… San Diego AT&T stores had the very same option, not anyone’s fault they chose not to give out some phones.

  • jpfan

    The only way winning doesn’t mean much is if the winner doesn’t have the support of the label or the show’s producers who also manage him. When 19M doesn’t manage you, there will be issues of support. Then whoever they manage will always get superior promotion.

    So let’s see if 19M goes with Kris and Adam both. If they pass on Kris and manage Adam, watch out. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s that they take a huge percentage of their client’s profits, so they have a tremendous incentive to favor them.

  • J9BT

    Adam fans were ignoring the clear signals for weeks that their boy was losing ground. During Top 5 week he was in the bottom 2 based on an affirmative statement by Ryan Seacreast. During Top 3 week Ryan announced that less than 1 million votes separated the top 2 (Kris and Adam). Danny fans have indicated they voted for Kris (if they chose to vote at all), so why is it so surprising that Adam lost?

    Kris has 2 songs in the Top 10 downloads on ITunes vs. Adam with zero. Kris has a Top 5 ringtone download vs. zero for Adam.

    I hate what this has come to – I like both Adam and Kris as performers – and both of them should be celebrating their success, not being bogged down with all of this nonsense.

  • debbie

    This is going to end up forcing AI to reveal the vote count. I think they didn’t reveal it before because they didn’t want to embarrass Adam (and possibly themselves). I think Kris probably did get a large number of the votes – it wasn’t close at all. AI demographics just don’t lead to an Adam win. If there was only 1 million votes separating them in the top 3, then with Kris probably getting most of Danny’s vote, it would have been a blow out.

    Hopefully one good thing could come out of this – if AT&T ends up stepping back as a corporate sponsor, maybe texting could get opened to everyone.

    The story is not trending on twitter yet, but just give it time.

    Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s an odd disconnect in some of the media too. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m amazed at how many radio djs dislike Adam and hate the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“shrieking.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m only aware of it because Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been following another Idol on a radio tour and the negativity surprises me. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not at the Taylor Hicks/Daughtry level but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s out there.
    This will just fuel more animosity, unfortunately.

    A lot of people don’t know how different the studio versions of Adam’s songs are from what he did onstage. Adam really sees a difference between what is done live and what is recorded. I’m going to buy a local DJ a copy of Adam’s Season 8 Favorite Performances. Anybody with me on this?

  • neverland

    “Poor Kris, who will forever be tainted by the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Adam wuz robbed!!!!1!!! narrative.

    Poor Adam, who will have the albatross of crazy fandom hanging around his shoulders even after the conspiracy theories are proven to be the crap that they are.”

    —————-

    Coming out of lurkdom to say that you put it perfectly for me, MaryS-NJ (I don’t know how to quote, sorry).

    Based on the professionalism and graciousness Adam has shown throughout this whole AI process, I would imagine he is horrified at all of this hoopla over voting. He would never want Kris’s win to be tainted by this, and Adam has obviously been moving forward very happily with his own post-Idol plans since the crowning last week.

    If this was indeed started by a group of Adam fans, it confirms for me why I will never get involved in an Adam fan forum…they are way too obsessed for my taste. And ultimately they will only make Adam look like he’s a sore loser, when he has absolutely nothing to do with instigating this voting controversy. As Adam has said in interviews, he’s thinking positive and looking forward…that’s great advice, and his fans should follow his lead! He’s going to do great things with his voice and music…let him, and leave him with some dignity, too, please.

  • Aileen

    This seems like the usual crazy AI hype and just because NYT printed it, the other media are just reporting on it. I’m assuming there will be a statement by TPTB today that will completely deny all of this as crazy.

    I’m hoping the iTunes sales reports start coming in soon. They will probably show that both Adam and Kris are selling well, and maybe the contest was closer than people thought. All of this is just bad press and is worse for Kris than Adam. This too will blow over.

  • tierbee

    Oh, boy. I just stumbled in here… One more reason why I didn’t bother to get too invested in anyone this year, the fanwarring just keeps on going all summer… when the albums drop… the next year… blah, it’s miserable. My favorite was Adam when I was moved to vote, but I am *not* shocked that Kris won. He was overall consistent, he’s adorable, and he’s completely non-polarizing… not to mention that he has a good voice and came up with some truly excellent performances, especially “Heartless” down the stretch and his reprise of “Ain’t No Sunshine” at the finale. Good timing, that. All the “this kind of person” votes for Kris and “this kind of person” votes for Adam is annoying and good luck pigeonholing me or my sister (and so many others) who both voted for Adam… we’re both fairly conservative Southerners, thanks.

    Surely the media has better things to cover? Yeah, the voting system seems a bit flawed… but who’s to say that powervoting didn’t keep Adam in it several times during the competition? There’s no way to know, so seems like a waste of precious time to get all worked up about it. But then again… I’ve never been able to hate the “opponent” anyway, I voted for Adam but think Kris is talented, I voted for Cookie but think Archie’s talented, and so on and so on.

    DWTS still has upsets with appearance of a fair and balanced voting system. It isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t as glamorous but it can be done.

    Oh, I’ve heard lots of theories about DWTS, how it isn’t “fair,” how the judges rig the vote, blah, blah, blah. It’s still not going to end overinvested worked up fandom.

  • kbr

    This is honestly ridiculous. Why is the NYT writing about Idol conspiray theories? I know Adam was a media darling, but this has gone way too far with the public pouting because Kris won. Kris should be getting the credit he deserves and he’s not because Adam fans and the media can’t let it go.

    Adam will do just fine after the tour with his album and like idol contestants before him who got the shock boot will actually benefit from it.

    My favs all season were Kris, Allison and Matt. As Allison and Matt got the boot Kris got more of my attention for voting instead of split votes and I am sure I am not the only one. Adam’s sound made him polarizing, not his penchant for eyeliner and blueblack hair. Doesn’t it seem more likely that Kris got other Idol fans to vote for him, explaining the his consistant increase in votes rather than a couple of Kris fans in Arkansas texting in votes at a faster pace (a method used by plenty of other people as well)? Oh, not to mention he did a great job and was building off of prior performances week by week?!

    The season’s over, Adam fans and the bizarro media need to get over this and move on. Kris won, end of story.

  • Victoria

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m highly for a DWTS voting system. With the finale, I could vote 10 times total. 5 times per email address (which I only have 1) and 5 times by phone. I was pretty amazed when I received an error message on my phone for the 6th vote. That win was equally surprising – Shawn over Gilles. And I wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t happy about that result either. But at least I find that result more valid than Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s win over Adam.

    The DWTS voting system would be just as big a problem as Idol’s, if not bigger. At least with the current system fans are allowed to vote as much as they can. With the DWTS system, there would be plenty of conspiracy theories – probably very valid – about fans creating numerous email addresses and rerouting their phone number so they can vote more. Changing the system to DWTS is a good idea, but I don’t think it would work. There would still be conpiracy theories, just a different kind.

  • ettacandy

    As an Adam fan, I find these news reports incredibly ridiculous, and embarrassing!

    Kris won because he had more votes. Period. Power voting and power texting was used by all fan bases. Even if the so-called power votes could be magically eliminated, it’s my opinion that many casual Idol viewers tuning in on Tuesday night for the first time would have voted for Kris. Why? He is GOOD. And he was very good on the final show. Period.

    Yes, Adam was very good as well, but I’m willing to bet Adam received no more than half the casual votes on the finale. Remember folks: Adam’s polarizing. He’s not everyone’s cuppa. Etc. Adam fans love this about him! But not everyone “gets” Adam. Even so, let’s just call the casual vote a draw between the two contestants.

    As had been said, by Adam and others, Danny had a strong following. When he left the competition, Danny’s fans were far more inclined to vote for Kris. Even putting aside Adam’s lifestyle and personality “differences”, musically he and Danny were miles apart. So, even musically, Adam wasn’t likely to pick up many fans from Danny’s following. I think, and Adam thinks, that the majority of Danny’s fans voted for Kris in the final.

    If I’m anywhere near right, Kris’ large fanbase plus a majority of the Danny fanbase = KRIS WINS. That’s it. No conspiracy. No Voting scandal.

    Adam’s fanbase didn’t “fail.” It was (and obviously still is) well organized and, er, devoted. I’m sure Adam got a LOT of votes, as well as the support of major industry media, Queen, etc. etc. etc. etc.

    Again, it’s simple: Kris’ large fanbase plus a majority of the Danny fanbase = KRIS WINS.

    And oh yeah: Kris is awesome too, in his own right. Not my favorite, but a talented musician and a true gentleman. As is Adam.

    I hope the Adam fans just let it go, already, and let both guys go make a career!

    /soapbox

  • skywitch

    AT&T is a sponsor of AI and should have remained neutral. They didn’t.

  • clearone

    Adam fans were ignoring the clear signals for weeks that their boy was losing ground. During Top 5 week he was in the bottom 2 based on an affirmative statement by Ryan Seacreast. During Top 3 week Ryan announced that less than 1 million votes separated the top 2 (Kris and Adam). Danny fans have indicated they voted for Kris (if they chose to vote at all), so why is it so surprising that Adam lost?

    You know this isn’t what people want to hear any more. The point is that AI perpetuates unfair voting practices. Perhaps a cumulative total from the entire season would be more a way to go that way it reflects the season as a whole and not just one night.

  • jlc

    AI voting policies won’t change as long as AT&T has the monopoly as the only communications sponsor for the show. I can’t even fathom how much money that monster (AT&T) makes during the AI season–and they don’t even have to try. From the looks of the threads at the AI forums (or any other AI related forums & blogs), the fans create the cash cow for AT&T by buying, and encouraging others to buy, GoPhones. At $30. a pop, and many fans buying multiple phones (I’ve seen many fans claiming “I just went out & bought 5 GoPhones), the numbers must be staggering.

    I find it amusing because in the end, the only real “losers” are those who wasted good money to purchase an item for the sole purpose of voting for a contestant on AI. I also find it a bit disgusting when I think about how all that money spent could have been helping some worthy cause instead. People are starving worldwide, yet “proud” Americans are buying GoPhones to vote on AI.

    On a less noble note, as an AI fan, I also find it disheartening that I vote the old fashioned way from a land line when it would seem my efforts are futile. I have to laugh at myself for wasting all that time for such a trivial thing.

    In the end, it doesn’t matter how it happened. In my mind, we all know who the “real” winner was–including Kris. All the “evidence” points to it. So does it really matter? Adam seems more than at peace with the end result, so why should people continue to insult poor Kris for something entirely out of his control and insist on making him feel bad about being crowned? He was, afterall, the first one to say “Adam deserves this”. What more do people want?

  • cat

    Overinvested fans will *never* have any positive PR power. They will *never* understand this fact.

    The only thing that a fan can do for an AI contestant is to vote and then when all is said and done and the winner is crowned….buy concert tickets and cd’s from their favorite. That’s it. That’s all they can do.

    If any fan feels like picking up a phone or emailing or picketing or chaining themselves to the door of a radio station, television station or newspaper…they are only going to hurt the object of their affection by giving the media a reason to laugh at them. The media say, every year, that “contestant x” wouldn’t have gotten so far if it weren’t for those crazy *pick one (cougars, tweens, mental hospital escapees). And frankly, who can blame them. Those fans look like lunatics. They don’t make it easy to take a recording artist seriously, now do they?

    And the AT&T phone party thing has been going on since at least season 5, when there was a fan war about it right here at MJ’s if I recall correctly. Yeah…..that was *my* overinvested season. But at least I was too lazy to do anything but post at MJ’s…….

  • dhunken

    As a fan of both Adam and Kris believe me if this situation had been reversed and it was stated that Adam had a over favorable vote count from the state of California Kris fans would be screaming and acting just as crazed. Remember Kris won the vote count. All that means is he had a more organized voting block not necessarily the most people wanting him to win. Polls on the internet and the buzz is people on the whole are surprised and shocked by the vote. Even though I am happy for Kris and I do think at this point let it go I can fully understand the disbelief. Telling people how they should feel only ignites their frustration. Understand that Adam represented the “weird” in a lot of us. The people in life who all felt out caste and not excepted. The feeling that through Adam that a part of us would be embraced and acknowledged was inspiring. Adam’s loss has less to do with him (for he will be successful) and more to do with the part in us that as been rejected yet once again. I propose the Kris fans not be so harsh and berating and be more compassionate and understanding. Adam fans Kris has the title and even by Adam’s own words is deserving of it. Adam by getting to the finals and not hiding who he is and making “different” and “weird” cool , has won, and brought the outcast in each of us that much closer to mainstream acceptance.

  • Valentin432

    I may be on the minority side but I am actually happy this is happening.
    I hope it will get enough traction in the media to make the producers change the voting system that is completely crazy (I know it’s a long shoot).
    The NYT have clearly some other motivations to report this, probably linked to the media war against FOX.
    Again, it won’t change the outcome, Kris is the winner but I hope it will make things change for next season.

    Someone should point that NYT à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“reporterà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and the line of sheep following him/her to the great article at WNTS. Based on their data, Kris had already overtaken Adam and Danny in general popularity as early as the Top 9 show, but he hadnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t built up nearly as many power voters yet. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the media wants the facts to get in their way of their à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Bad America!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  tirade.

    I am a big fan of WNTS, but their last editorial IMO is ridiculous.
    Their system to try to evaluate the fanbase of each contestant based on their ratings is simplistic and I am sure they know it.
    They didn’t include Allison in that statistical study because they know that it would screw up their conclusion.

  • KrazeeK120

    I can’t believe I missed all the fun! Guess that’s what I get for trying to get some sleep, heh.

    Anyways…I just have to say this. I am so SICK and TIRED of morons. Just because the person you expected to win didn’t, doesn’t mean that there are any conspiracy theories. Step back for a minute. You have to understand that not everyone is going to love your favorite. And MAYBE, just maybe, it is possible that America as a whole has a different opinion than you do. Doesn’t make your opinion wrong…just different.

    Putting down one contestant to prop up your own just does disservice to them both. Here’s a NEW idea: Buy your favorite’s CD. Go to his/her shows. Watch him/her on TV. Donate to his/her charity, if he/she has one. There are better ways to support someone than blasting someone else. I’m sure Adam would much prefer his fans focus on him instead of Kris.

  • jersey

    It’s really too bad people can’t get this worked up over politics – you know, something that matters.

    I agree with those who said NYT is covering this because it’s a dying paper. As are most papers with the advent of the internet and 24 hour cable news. AI is a guaranteed bump in sales and hits on their websites.

    AT&T did nothing wrong here. They are a corporate sponsor of AI. They are a business. They want to make money, pure and simple. They are not a charity organization or a non-profit organization. If Adam fans would have asked for voting parties, free phones and texting instructions, they would have received it too. (Maybe they did and the NYT, in their detailed investigative journalism that went into this article, just missed it!).

    Just had to add that Kris and Adam were my top two. I voted equally for both over the season so have no horse in this race. I feel bad for both having to put up with this.

  • ross

    Danica_K, I’m totally in agreement with your post. I don’t know which of the five stages of grief Adam’s fans are in at the moment, but I feel bad for them. Not only did they want their guy to win, they were led to believe it was a foregone conclusion. The media, the judges, and the show led them there, the judges and show with their pimping, the media with their hype.

    Adam was not the only talented person in this competiton. He is not a “superstar” except to people who think he is. Mick Jagger is a superstar. Madonna is a superstar. Adam Lambert is not. He’s not even a star. Reality check. He’s a guy who just competed on American Idol, and previously was a chorus singer and understudy in a LA production of a 2003 B’way show.

    What I find weird is how people who like Adam think that when they refer to him as amazing, exciting, brilliant, etc, they are not stating opinions, but facts. Folks, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    I was a huge fan of Kris almost from the very first. People who don’t get it don’t get it. The show didn’t get it, the judges didn’t. The still don’t. Kris had more musicality and taste than anyone else in the competition. in my opinion. In my opinion he was also a better singer than Adam, which has nothing to do with how many notes you can hit or how loudly you can sing. I also appreciate that he didn’t have to rely on costumes, make-up, hairstyles, or stagecraft for his impact. And he didn’t have to act sexy, posing and leering at the camera, in order to be sexy.

    I really love Kris’s voice, his way with a song, his presentation, phrasing, tone, sense of rhythm, you name it. I’d buy his album in a heartbeat. Adam, he’s a great guy and he’s really talented, but I don’t enjoy his voice and his singing is not for me. I enjoy his theatricality but not his singing so much.

    All that is my opinion and I’m entitiled to it just as you folks are entitled to yours. What is less an opinion is that Kris is very popular. Just like Adam and Danny, he was never in the bottom three until Rat Pack week, when he landed there with Adam. After that, in the weeks when Allison and Danny were eliminated, he got a lot of votes and there is no reason to assume he got fewer votes than Adam. The week Danny was eliminated, Kris may have beaten both of them, and there is no reason to doubt he did not beat Adam in the finale.

  • babybelle32

    Kris won’t be tainted with this mess. Most of the public could care less about this. The majority don’t watch idol, and don’t follow silly stories about it. They will either like or dislike Kris based on his music, it won’t have anything to do with Adam or stupid theories.

    Seven years later, and the only people hurt by the Claymate stupidity were those people. They became a national joke. Their actions did not impact how people felt about Ruben, or that he is the second winner of AI. Maybe their actions did hurt Clay, but that’s because he seemed to take some pleasure in the fact that they existed and that they worshipped him. But, at the end of the day, most people considered them to be nuts, and that’s how people will look at the glamberts. The buying public who matters, won’t see this as having anything to do with Kris.

  • unique28v

    This story was on MSNBC this morning.

    Anyways, I wouldn’t give some American Idol fans credit for this story. The issue of the American Idol voting being legit has been around for ages, so I don’t really understand why people are so surprised that people are still writing about it….. A lot of people also find it fishey that American Idol doesn’t release the voting totals so I really don’t see the “uproar” about this article. Its not a new story, and its part of the reason the viewership has gone down.

    Stories such as this discredit the show, not Kris or Adam. I really think people are misguiding their anger. I mean seriously.

  • clearone

    Boy you sure can tell who is a fan of who when something like this comes to light.

  • unique28v

    I may be on the minority side but I am actually happy this is happening. I hope it will get enough traction in the media to make the producers change the voting system that is completely crazy (I know ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a long shoot).

    Yup. The voting method needs to be changed. But again, people have been saying that for years. Articles and news pieces such as this reflect bad on the show, not the contestants. The article isn’t negative towards Kris. People say Adam fans are “fanatic” or whatever, but Kris’s fans are waaaaaay too defensive.

    I guess since I work in politics/government stuff like this is no big deal. Brush it off and keep moving forward. LOL

  • lambertftw

    Conspiracy, conspiracy well the way i see it is simple as 123, even if Anoop, lil Rounds, Matt or even Danny did go up against Adam in the finale any one of them would have won, because idol in itself didn’t want Adam winning he is too much of a shoe to fill, think about next season if there was no talent like Adam’s a lot of people wouldn’t be interested, so lets take an average Joe and give him the title, also when we consider that a large section of the Christian society decided that a vote for Kris is a vote against Adam, call a win a win but by what means.

    we are all trying to justify Adam loss and we can say that kris was the underdog as much as we want but that won’t change the fact that Adam should have won! …. …. opinion.

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  • gingerly

    clearone
    May 27th, 2009 at 8:40 am
    Adam fans were ignoring the clear signals for weeks that their boy was losing ground. During Top 5 week he was in the bottom 2 based on an affirmative statement by Ryan Seacreast. During Top 3 week Ryan announced that less than 1 million votes separated the top 2 (Kris and Adam). Danny fans have indicated they voted for Kris (if they chose to vote at all), so why is it so surprising that Adam lost?

    You know this isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t what people want to hear any more. The point is that AI perpetuates unfair voting practices. Perhaps a cumulative total from the entire season would be more a way to go that way it reflects the season as a whole and not just one night.

    You seriously don’t want to hear the truth? Wow!

    The fact is that AT&T would have done exactly the same for Adam had fans only asked. And who knows it didn’t happen? Who really cares. The voting has never been fair. The voting is never going to be fair. It only bothers people when their favorite loses. Ultimately, it’s the casual fan, the one who picks up the phone for the first time in a season on finale night, that determines the winner. Had the voting been totally fair (not that there’s truly any fair way), Kris still would have won. Adam has an amazing range, but if you didn’t love it to begin with, you were never going to love it. I know it’s difficult for some people not to understand how people don’t love Adam’s OMG!!!range. Music is subjective. I always liked Kris better but I didn’t vote until top 3. I voted for an hour texting and on finale night 1 1/2 hours. I got in quite a few votes but I wasn’t invested enough to continue when it got boring. I’ve bought nobody’s music this season (only bought DC and some of JC last season), but threads like this make me want to go out and buy every single thing I can from Kris.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Boy you sure can tell who is a fan of who when something like this comes to light.

    I wanted Adam to win. So, no, you really can’t.

  • hollygo9

    The point is that AI perpetuates unfair voting practices.

    The voting is unfair because:
    You have to have a phone to call in
    You have to have an AT&T cell phone to text

    What about people without phones?! American Idol should buy everyone in america phone service so that the voting can be fair.

    But wait, what if I can’t text as quickly as those evil evil tweens? Fast texters should have their fingers weighted so that the voting is fair.

    Hold on, what about unlimited texting? I can’t afford that. Got it, all unlimited texting is suspended during idol season.

    But, what if I only want to vote for Kris? That’s unfair to the other 12 contestants. Therefore, I must vote equally for all.

    THAT….is fair.

  • unique28v

    Boy you sure can tell who is a fan of who when something like this comes to light.

    Yes. Thats exactly what I thought. lol

    The article is simply highlighting that unfair voting practices might be occuring on American Idol. Something that people already knew. lol Even if this has happened in previous seasons, its wrong, and should be stopped. It says nothing bad about Kris, Adam, etc. Its focusing on the show and its corporate sponsor. I look at this as a positive that the show may finally change its voting practices to be more fair to all of the contestants.

  • unique28v

    but threads like this make me want to go out and buy every single thing I can from Kris.

    Good!! You should support your guy, particularly if you like his music. But that still doesn’t change the fact that American Idol has unfair voting practices that need to be changed.

  • TwigLA

    This is just sad for all concerned. It does no favors to Adam, to Kris, or to any of the talent on the show past or present. This is why it’s so hard for people coming off this show to be taken seriously in the music business.

    Sending 10 text messages at a time is not power voting in the context of AI’s rules. 10 is the max you can send on an AT&T cel phone in a single dial. It has always been unclear if duplicate texts to the same number at the same time counted. For the Finale, each contestant has 3 numbers to call.

    I live in CA (Los Angeles to be exact) and I’ve had ATT as my phone service for 30 years as has almost everyone I know. My cel phone was Cingular (AI’s former sponsor) until ATT took them over.

    To be able to send text messages, you must have a plan that covers them. Not everyone pays for unlimited texting, or texting at all.

    Anyone can buy a cheap $20 Go Phone (and evidently does) and sign up for unlimited texting for a month to satisfy their Idol fix.

    None of this is ‘limited’ to any fan or fan base. Season 5 was the only year I got caught up in the Idol mania. My life sucked at the time and it was a harmless diversion. This is when I learned of the obsessive fans and the various mechanisms they used to ensure their fave got votes … and hopefully won.

    The watch parties are nothing new. I recall in Season 5 that you could go to a Cingular store and use their demo phones to vote. They would also show up to any watch party they were invited to. I don’t know if they had a minimum of attendees before they’d come. Who you wanted to vote for didn’t matter. They don’t care – it’s Advertising.

    What is more disturbing to me is the use of online programs to vote outside of geographic areas – particularly voting from other countries – as well as autodialers. The Autodialers are clearly in violation of AI’s rules. We have seen on this very blog, people posting info for how international viewers could vote for Adam. I’ve seen it in comments on other websites and published articles. I’ve visited the fansites of various contestants and they ALL have the same info.

    Adam was the media darling – there was just so much material to work with. He’s someone you notice without his ever opening his mouth. It was very fortunate that he actually has a beautiful instrument and is a nice guy once you get past the shock value looks.

    The media itself is, as described elsewhere, a huge circle jerk. (I hate that term, but it’s appropriate) The same ‘news’ is just regurgitated over and over, the same rumor fed by fans (AI insiders -lol) the same sound bites, and a few words are added or left out to ‘make it their own’. They all want advertising dollars and sensationalism and scandal sells. Truth and true investigative reporting is unimportant.

    I worry for Kris. He’s a very sensitive guy and this must be tearing him up.

  • kbr

    because idol in itself didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want Adam winning he is too much of a shoe to fill

    Sorry, not buying this. Adam did a great job on Idol and had plenty of support from his first audition through his last performance. Idol didn’t want Kris but he made it because his fans supported him.

    DHUNKEN: I think the reason Kris fans are getting defensive is, a week after the finale articles continue to come out discrediting his win. It’s one thing for fans to vent frustrations in forums over the loss of their fav, it’s another thing to have that plastered over newspapers and magazines saying that the only reason Kris won is: because he’s heterosexual, because he’s a Christian, because of corporate favorship.

    Kris is right where popular music is right now for male singers, Adam isn’t. Perhaps Adam will have a huge influence over the music industry. I think Kris deserved to win. Of course last year I had a fav who got kicked out earlier in the competition and I was frustrated, but he’s just fine now, Adam will be too.

    I would love for more transparency in the vote counting, but I think we may find Adam was not the frontrunner week after week as Idol implied (same with Archie last year). Then what?

  • LauraSophia

    I HOPE THE INVESTIGATION CONTINUES!

    That being said, I understand what some are calling the futility of the exercise. However, for all of you still posting a week after idol has concluded and then chiding others for wanting answers, I FIND A LITTLE DISINGENOUS!! It seem curiousity still abounds.

    The overall point, is not whether or not Adam or Kris REALLY won, it is whether the current voting system has any integrity for those who vote. In addition, it is also a financial question for AI. The ratings are down; their profits are down.

    I’ve seen comments above regarding people who voted via landline and wished they had not gotten invested and bothered to vote. THIS IS EXACTLY THE POINT.

    **Who will bother to vote next year if they feel like the voting system doesn’t work?

    **How will AI garner new viewers or get return viewer, if the system “feels” corrupt?

    **If there are hard feeling left on the table, do people still get invested in future contestants (an important factor in selling the show)?

    Now some may say “look this happens every year.” TRUE, however, there has never been a nibble out there. This At&t thing gives fuel for the controversy. It is valid news point for many media outlets out there who have been waiting for SOME DIRT to stick on idol.

    Everyone wants to take down a giant, especially after building them up.

    It would probably behoove AI to announce that they are taking a look at the voting system and consider changing it in the future. It will kill the story, make the disgruntled satisfied, and maybe, just maybe be a better reflection of who the country is voting for.

  • unique28v

    I mean seriously… do you honestly think the New York Times would post an article just because some fans emailed a “conspiracy” theory. Please…….. I’m sorry, but I’m trying not to laugh over here since I’m at work. LOL

    THE IDEA THAT THE VOTING PRACTICES AT AMERICAN IDOL HAVE NOT BEEN LEGIT HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION FOR 8 YEARS!!!

    American Idol & AT&T could easily resolve this matter by releasing the voting totals, and where they came from (geographic location).

  • jlc

    I’m just happy that Adam is going to be on Regis & Kelly in a few minutes… :clap_tb:

  • 77amy77

    Wow, this is depressing.

    I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe no oneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s blamed the Bush administration yet (I know, I know, we canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t anymore, but damn it was fun while it lasted).

    I haven’t seen that argument (yet), but I did see someone comment that Kris winning was equal to Bush being re-elected . *rolls eyes*

    Yep. And considering how AI spent the whole season pimping the crap out of Adam Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure if they saw anything out of the ordinary giving Kris the edge they would have discarded those votes so they could crown their Chosen One.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure AI reserves the right to throw out votes that are considered powervoting. So that makes the claims of swaying the vote even more ridiculous. The show would have thrown out those votes anyways!

    THIS. Idol monitors all voting and surely can easily see suspicious voting patterns. I’m pretty sure it’s in their contract with the phone networks that any votes can be voided, if they have reason to. I don’t for one second believe TPTB were happy Kris won and Adam lost, and if they had the opportunity I have no doubt they would have discarded any Kris votes that didn’t look right if it meant an Adam win. In fact how can we be sure they didn’t throw out 20m Arkansas votes (not that I believe 38m actually came from there…), and it didn’t make a difference? My theory is either the voting wasn’t close at all, or both contestants had very similar voting patterns.

    Anyone who believes only Kris’s fans were power-voting is fooling themself. Adam forums were full of ways to get around the voting system, just as much as Kris’s. And it’s not like this is new to Idol anyway. The assumption that all Kris fans are tweens with nothing else better to do is rubbish as well – from what I’ve seen Adam had a lock on the tween market, far more than Kris who seems to appeal to the twenty-something crowd most of all. Unfortunately the media and TPTB convinced us all Adam was going to win that some people can’t accept it didn’t go that way.

  • unique28v

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just happy that Adam is going to be on Regis & Kelly in a few minutesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    LOL. That makes 2 of us. :clap_tb:

  • Jayd

    I hate what this has come to – I like both Adam and Kris as performers – and both of them should be celebrating their success, not being bogged down with all of this nonsense.

    I agree! Couldn’t have said it better! It’s really sad that it’s come to this.

  • gingerly

    unique28v
    May 27th, 2009 at 9:13 am
    but threads like this make me want to go out and buy every single thing I can from Kris.

    Good!! You should support your guy, particularly if you like his music. But that still doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t change the fact that American Idol has unfair voting practices that need to be changed.

    I guess you didn’t get the point that he’s not my guy. I voted because I liked him better than Adam…enough so to vote which was totally free for me. I voted what I consider casually as compared to last year (3 phones texting for 4 hours–threatening my kids that I’d turn off their service if they didn’t let me use their phones). I have unlimited texting for my kids. I don’t use it except with my kids and to vote for american idol. I didn’t go out and buy go-phones. I didn’t even do it when I cared who won.

    Ultimately, American Idol has their voting set up in a certain way. It’s up to the fans to take advantage of it or not. If you don’t, then it’s so much sour grapes to whine when your favorite didn’t win.

    This voting system has been in place since the beginning. I seriously doubt whiney fans are going to change it. And the voting has never favored any contestant over another. It favors fans who are invested enough to do whatever they feel they need to do to ensure their favorite wins. So good on them. They got their way. Now it’s up to the contestants to go out and make music. Some will do well and some will do not so well. That actually has little to do with voting either.

  • jlc

    Wow,,I learned something new….I hadn’t heard he was born in Indy…cool!
    So he’s really a native midwesterner like me.. :tongue3_tb:

  • LaurelG

    I appreciate that people have a sense of history about this show, but, c’mon, I’m so tired of hearing that, “well, back in the day of Kat McPee or (fill in the blank), there was this conspiracy story or that …” Things change, things evolve and nothing changes faster than technology. Why is it so outrageous to believe that voting enhancements, techniques and devices have evolved to the point where they do unfairly impact the process? Evolved to where a well organized and determined collective could swing the vote in favor of one contestant? This year there were 178 million text votes cast, more than double the number of last year! Why are people so resistant to reexamining the system?

    I keep hearing that Kris won because he received the most number of votes. But the premise of this show in the average viewer’s mind is that the winner is the person who the majority likes. If, in fact, the show is crowning a minority winner, then shouldn’t fans of the other guy feel robbed? Shouldn’t even the casual viewers, who are not really invested in any particular contestant, feel a sense of unfairness?

    The other thing to keep in mind is that these stories and rumors are all being generated by people in Arkansas! The 38 million vote story came from an Arkansas news station. The AT&T story in the Times is based on something printed in an Arkansas paper. These folks are alternately proud of how their clever efforts put Kris over the top, but then chastened when the national media picks up on it and points out that it smacks of unfairness. Then, they start backpedaling … “Oh, our reporter got the story wrong. Oh, it was just a few demo phones …” Um, pardon us if that just doesn’t quite pass the smell test.

    You know, some people are calling for the show to release the margin of victory. Fine, I say, but only if they simultaneously release the number of votes cast in Arkansas with a breakdown of how many were for Kris and how many were from text votes. Half disclosure isn’t fair to anyone. Make it full disclosure and let the chips fall where they may.

  • Nostradamas

    Oh good Lord….

    Producers cherry pick the contestants that even get a chance to audition in front of the judges…

    The judges are so limited in their musical knowledge that only certian types of singers advance to the voting rounds….

    Producers determine early only who is given any screen time what so ever….

    Backstories are fabricated and embellished….

    Judges pimp their favorites…..and diss those they wish to leave behind…

    Song choices are limited to those who are just fodder….

    Stage presentation is limited to the fodder……

    Major manipulation by the judges comments continue up till the final vote…..

    Now we even have a “save” to allow more manipulation by the judges and TPTB…

    No vote totals are ever revealed…..

    Performance order is manipulated for the chosen few….

    ………and people are complaining about “un-fair” voting???!!

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sunn

    God I hate this thread.

    And to make things worse, so much worse, MSNBC just had the Headline “Was Idol Rigged”, It will be covered in a segment, but I haven’t seen it yet. Expect this to run all day.

  • mahrikka

    The New York Times article was buried somewhere in the Media and Advertising section. It’s not as though this article was splashed on the front page of the Times. How many people would have read it if it hadn’t been linked on AI-related blogs and fan sites? Do you think anyone really cares except the highly “supportive” fans?

    I hope this article was an attempt to question why one corporation has the monopoly on text voting in a reality show, and to shed light on the corporation’s attempt to exploit for $$$ and also to expose power text voting which many fans and certainly non-fans have no idea about. This is not the first season the fairness of this has been questioned. The article does state that officials at Fox declined to comment so I assume they did make an attempt to gather more information. Unfortunately, reporting these days is rarely objective. It’s more often a “fact” here and there slanted very heavily toward the writer’s opinion.

    As I skimmed the comments this morning, it appears others have picked up this story. I seriously doubt it will hurt either Kris or Adam. Again, who really cares except fans who follow the show? And, as we know, we already have our opinions.

    I would love to think this may lead to a change in voting practices so that one corporation isn’t raking in all the money. But, I doubt it.

  • abbysee

    I am an Adam fan and I not embarrassed. I’ve done nothing wrong. Neither am I embarrassed for Adam. He didn’t do anything wrong.

    Anyone who participated in this campaign should be embarrassed because they are doing Adam a disservice. First of all this takes the focus off of both guys awesome achievements and opens them both to ridicule. Kris because his win is tainted. Hell no it’s not. Ruben Stoddard,one of the most maligned winners in idoldom is still the winner of season 2, no asterisk for him. Adam will be maligned because it is now not about his awesome talent, but his silly ass fans and their silly ass campaign. I am pissed.

    Ugh!

  • jlc

    I seriously doubt whiney fans are going to change it.

    Whiney or not, the fans are the ones who make the show successful–by simply watching the show. Never underestimate the power of the whiney (or not so whiney) fan.

  • jpfan

    If AT&t lost their monopoly on text votes, that would be great.But since AI profits are down and they make tons from AT&T, that just isn’t going to happen.

    I just watched Adam on Regis and he’s a complete doll. And I wish him well. However, I cringed when Kelly said he was the first “star” to come out of Idol. All that nonsense hurt him and will continue to. I noticed not one person in the audience clapped when she said it. It’s just so wrong headed and probably antagonizes fans of the various multi platinum selling, Oscar, Grammy award winning contestants so why do it?

  • Valentin432

    Ultimately, American Idol has their voting set up in a certain way. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s up to the fans to take advantage of it or not. If you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t, then ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s so much sour grapes to whine when your favorite didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win.

    Sorry but if the system in itself pushes towards extreme behaviors, it’s not good.
    I think that all these over the top Adam fans are this angry because they have spent hours and hours of their time voting for Adam, when their favorite didn’t win, they were so frustrated that when the stories about the 38 million votes and AT&T acts were reported that pushed them over the edge.

  • Anya

    “In the end, it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t matter how it happened. In my mind, we all know who the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“realà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  winner wasà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’including Kris.”

    The real winner is Kris. He was shocked to win and said some silly things when Seacrest was being pushy. Kris has to cut the humble stuff, enough already! He won, he deserved it and he has to own it! Go Kris, Baby! Good music is the best revenge so put out a good album which I am sure you will.

  • cat

    While I realize that this is just “hollering down a well” (thank you grandma), the news media does this story EVERY YEAR. Without fail.

    And EVERY YEAR fans who weren’t as invested last year are *shocked* I tell ya, *shocked* at the news and think that it’s zOMG this is the *worst* or *best* thing EVAR!!!eleventyone, and will force TPTB to change the voting system.

    It is a little easier in years that have polarizing contestant pools, like this year, Season 2 and Season 5, but they do the same freakin stories whether anyone pays attention or not. It is a timeless story….evil TPTB riggs votes and hurts poor struggling artist….it’s practically a Lifetime movie…this shit writes itself.

    And EVERY YEAR there are nutso fans who do idiotic crap and make it look like the contestant only appeals to weirdos and freaks. You watch….this is not limited to Adam fans, there are nutso fans for everyone….the Glamberts are just better for the storyline at the moment, what with the “Is America Prejudiced??!!??” and the “Are Americans Too Bland To Appreciate TRUE TALENT???!!??” and the “Do The Rednecks In The South OWN The American Idol Vote??!!!??”

    Srsly. Every stinkin year. MSNBC doesn’t even write new material, I think, they just recycle the same copy from last year.

    If Lil had any singing ability whatsoever and made it to the top 4, we’d be hearing about how racist America and TPTB are.

    I seem to recall that Jasmine Trias (what the hell season was that?) had corporate sponsor texting parties in Hawaii that year. I think it may have been a different cellular company then, but they were an AI corp. sponsor and they had voting parties and it was presumed that it really affected the vote since she, um, stunk up the place. If she’d have made it one more week, there would have been a big huge media frenzy, you can bet on that. My recollections are a bit hazy on this one since I didn’t follow Idol online then, but I do remember it happening, and I remember it being brought up during the Season 5 freak out over texting parties.

    Really.

    Nothing that you do as a fan will have any impact on Idol. Idol isn’t about you, it is about ratings and money. And there aren’t enough of any fanbase to make a dent in the huge casual viewer base. You, as invested fans, are just as much fodder as Ricky Braddy.

  • unique28v

    All that nonsense hurt him and will continue to.

    No it doesn’t. RollingStones just called Adam the first Rock Star to come out of Idol yesterday. But its really pointless to get into an argument about that. A lot of people think he’s a star, and a lot of others don’t. I’ll support my stars, and you support yours. LOL Its all good!!

    If AT&t lost their monopoly on text votes, that would be great.But since AI profits are down and they make tons from AT&T, that just isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going to happen.

    This I agree with. Its all about making money no matter what the outcome. American Idol is first a business, second a reality show, and maybe 10th a singing contest. lol

  • maturin

    NYT: Hello, New York Times News Desk.

    Caller: Yes. Yes. Hello. I has very important news to share with you. Beeeg secret. I am Iraqi exile and I would like to be telling you that Saddam has ENORMOUS BIG BOMB. I no keed. My cousin’s wife’s sister saw it with her own eyes under Saddam’s desk.

    NYT: Look, we’re not falling for THAT again.

    Caller: Okay, you got me. Is joke. But I tell you what. There is NEW SECRET to becoming very, very reeech my friend. The way we does it is, everybody sells their house to each other for LOTS of money and buys NEW house for more money.

    NYT: Really? How does that work? Where does the money come from?

    Caller: Is from banks. Is under control, OKAY? My cousin at Chase has it all figured out, no problem.

    NYT: Well it does sound plausible, but I rent. What else you got?

    Caller: Ok, Ok, last one. Is most SPECIAL SECRET of ALL. American Idol, it is FIXED!

    NYT: GASP! (sound of latte falling) I KNEW it! It was the CLINTONS wasn’t it? Or, or, or Walmart . . . everything evil comes from Arkansas. Or Alaska. Damn A states. By the Wounds of Adam Lambert, STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!

  • unique28v

    Whiney or not, the fans are the ones who make the show successfulà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’by simply watching the show. Never underestimate the power of the whiney (or not so whiney) fan.

    Interesting. I never thought about it that way.

    I am an Adam fan and I not embarrassed. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve done nothing wrong. Neither am I embarrassed for Adam. He didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do anything wrong.

    Yup. I agree. Neither of these guys did anything wrong whether its true or not. It puts the focus on the American Idol franchise and AT&T. But again, there has always been questions about the voting so I really don’t understand the uproar. Is it because its making the national media outlets finally?? I just don’t get it.

  • unique28v

    This is going to end up forcing AI to reveal the vote count.

    I would be surprised if they did that. They couldn’t just reveal the vote count. They would have to do what they do in elections and break it down by state/county/region/etc, and they have never done that before. This will be a 1-2 day story in the mainstream media outlets. Blogs like this will keep the story alive, but once North Korea files another missel and Barack Obama gives another press conference the mainstream media will move on to more important things. If AI/AT&T are smart, they will keep their mouth shut and let this die down. I would however make changes to the voting for next year, just like they tweaked the show this year by adding a 4th judge, etc.

  • TreeFrog

    Oh good Lordà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and people are complaining about à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“un-fairà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  voting???!!

    Nostradamas, you just made my day!

  • jlc

    Nothing that you do as a fan will have any impact on Idol. Idol isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t about you, it is about ratings and money.

    But how do ratings even occur? Because FANS watch.

  • jpfan

    I like Adam and wish him well. But in general, it’s better to not have the hype overwhelm the reality. It’s fine if Kelly and RS annoint him the first Rock Star to come out of Idol but the general public has to come on board as well. So far I don’t see signs of that happening. And I’m picking up a radio backlash against the hype.

    Plus even though everyone isn’t a fan, I’d call Daughtry the first really successful rocker out of Idol. And I assume Cook is still considered to do music in that genre.

  • hwc

    The real issue here is not that people can power vote, but the fact that normal viewers of the show cannot vote, due to the overloaded phone circuits. In my several years of AI voting, it has been impossible to get past the busy signals for hours at a time. It’s like pouring a gallon of water through a drinking straw. The same amount of water is going to end up in the bucket through the straw no matter how many gallons you try to pour. This, for all intents and purposes, means that the final 3 or final 2 contestants will always be tied in the phone voting in most markets. The Pope and Charles Manson would be tied because fans of both would be getting busy signals.

    The whole problem is the unlimited phone voting which overloads the phone circuits and nullifies the votes of virtually all viewers except the most rabid crazy text-messaging fans.

  • Lera

    American Idol now needs to make public the total vote count. If Kris did beat Adam by millions (over 10 million)of votes perhaps all this stuff will just go away. If the vote count was close (less than 200 thousand)on the other hand WW3.

  • Nostradamas

    Charge a buck a vote and problem solved……donate it to charity….

  • monleo1705

    @ Maturin – the top half was hilarious, but then the lower half not so hilarious.

    Geez, can’t the media just write about more important stuff already? What about the missiles from N. Korea or the damn swine flu???! Seriously, this isn’t the first time that someone’s favourite didn’t win, and in that case, it will always seem to that someone his/her favourite was robbed.

    We had 2 very equal level playing field finalists this season, even more so that Archie and Cook last year, I don’t see why should the other “team” that did not win the title insist on Idol conspiracies. What unfair voting systems are there???? It has been the same every year!!! Maybe some fans may happen to be more tech-savvy than others and hence create a “strategy” to somehow, get a ton of votes in during calling, but does that mean it was illegal or rigged? It just means the other party was more aggressive, that’s all.

    I find the people most hurt by all the sensationalised media is definitely Kris and Adam themselves and as fans, we are not helping put out the fire. Kris, wonderful guy, did nothing but justice to the show may not have crazy vocals like Adam but he has won the title, let him wear it and let him wear it well. We can only complain if he doesn’t live up to it, but alas, it’s unfair to judge now for it’s too soon to call him undeserving. Adam, one in a million contestant whom we never seen before, with mad talent, didn’t even FLINCH when Kris won!! And now, all this backlash is just going to weigh heavy on his shoulders too because he is going to feel guilty and upset that the media and fans are rallying to INSIST that HIS FRIEND, Kris, won by unmerit and illegimate accounts.

    My American Idol 2009 will always be Kris Allen! And the best vocalist and performer 2009 on AI will always be Adam Lambert, without a doubt. So, shall we just peace out people? There could be a REAL war impending.

  • LaurelG

    American Idol now needs to make public the total vote count. If Kris did beat Adam by millions (over 10 million)of votes perhaps all this stuff will just go away.

    I respectfully disagree. They also need to release the Arkansas vote total with a breakdown or the story will never go away.

    Neither of these guys did anything wrong whether its true or not. It puts the focus on the American Idol franchise and AT&T.

    This. The system is broken. Fix it.

    Charge a buck a vote and problem solvedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦donate it to charityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    Love it.

  • gingerly

    voter 1: I’m from Arkansas and I’m voting for Kris
    Voter 2: I’m a Californian and I’m voting for Adam

    voter 1 (thinking): Dayum, them Californeeans got all the Tecknikal stuff. We cayn’t win
    Voter 2: Meh, they’re razorbacks, surely we outsmart them

    voter 1: Dayum, we figgered it out
    Voter 2: So totally unfair.

    Disclaimer: a 3rd generation californian who voted for Kris. Oh, if it were only that simple.

  • koshka

    MJ.. Respectfully.. I think you are missing the boat here & have done a bit of an injustice to some of the discussion points. You out right dismissal of a few points of argument is just as bad as the request to detrone Mr. Allen and the weaker points of the NY article.

    I do know exactly which threads you are talking about. And yes, some post are ‘demanding a recount’ but I think you must have missed some of the other threads that in general are frustrated and demanding that the voting system be overhauled. That is what needs to be done.

    I have no need to rehash the entire season of results. I think Mr. Allen & Mr. Lambert will benefit most right where they ranked in the finals. Mr. Allen will need some additional handling to distinguish himself in an already crowded market and Mr. Lambert will do much better without the AI pressures to conform. So in the end it all worked out. With all this said, it does not diminish the need to seriously take a look at the AI & AT&T relationship.

    I do however believe that there is a part 2 to this story. This deep relationship between AI & ATT over time has skewed the results as text messaging has gained a foothold over the last 8 years. AI is reliant on ATT for sponsorship and this has been a highly beneficial relationship for ATT. AI does not desire to change their voting because this would mean **a loss of sponsorship**. With the cost of texting and Go Phones AT&T has a cash cow on their hands. Not only that but this is at the exclusion of all other carriers. So if I have Verizon I can not text vote, but have to rely on a landline.

    Cell Coverage across the US with AT&T is not consistent.
    http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/

    Since we know that a good portion of votes are from text voting and go phones.. I really think this is something that needs to be looked into over the “Conflict of Interest” in AR. Some years ago I lived in CA we dumped AT&T because the coverage was spotty & we had frequent calls dropped. If you look at the map you can see that the WESTERN US has less coverage, therefore few subscribers and in the end FAR FEWER text voters, not to mention TEXT POWER voters (which is a whole other issues). Power texting just compounds this problem. So you now have the South East and Midwest with a significant edge. This may contribute as to why most finalists come from the south.

    Now go and take a look at the GO Phone situation on the map from the link sent. Same issue but worse. I’m not sure why the Go Phones actually show less coverage as the cell phones, but I wonder if this doesn’t mean that there are fewer GO phones sold in the areas… and again it is in the WEST, but more wide spread.

    I think it is time to shed light on why the voting has not changed (At&T reaping big $$) and who is benefiting. AI is so deeply in bed with ATT that they no longer care about quality programing – NOW it really is all about chasing the $$.

    We are not all crazy fans – screaming about the outcome.

  • jersey

    It is a reality tv show.

    ETA: It has always been about the money. AI and AT&T are not charity organizations. And, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. They are businesses. Their whole purpose is to make money.

  • gingerly

    jersey
    May 27th, 2009 at 10:51 am
    It is a reality tv show.

    Most intelligent comment I’ve heard today. I’m sure many others have said the same before jersey, but it was concise and close and convenient, so it was easy to quote. Ultimately, who the fuck cares? They get to go on tour. They get contracts. You get to buy their music or not. We get to fight over sales. We get to revisit mumblety times who should have won. As one of my very favorite songwriters ever sings, “And the road goes on forever, and the story never ends.”

  • taran33

    I think Eli Lilly should become a sponsor for American Idol. Prozac would (or should) sell like hot cakes.

  • maturin

    gingerly

    voter 1: Dayum, we figgered it out
    Voter 2: So totally unfair.

    I LOLed

    monleo1705 May 27th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    @ Maturin – the top half was hilarious, but then the lower half not so hilarious.

    When I look at my bank account and consider that the world’s media are headquartered just up the road a spell from Wall Street, and yet were all “OMG mortgage crisis HOW DID THAT HAPPEN,” I admit that my sense of outrage over their bad job reporting Idol news is . . . diluted.

  • sweetnjoe

    MJ, your ill-informed and lazy, non-journalstic opinion is a non-story. It’s not about dethroning somebody, it never has been. It’s about FAIRNESS in the competition. Are you that blind?

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1778852661&ref=profile chachi

    I think Eli Lilly should become a sponsor for American Idol. Prozac would (or should) sell like hot cakes.

    FTW!

  • Nostradamas

    sweetnjoe
    May 27th, 2009 at 11:08 am
    MJ, your ill-informed and lazy, non-journalstic opinion is a non-story. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not about dethroning somebody, it never has been. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about FAIRNESS in the competition. Are you that blind?

    Let me be the first to say..’Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out’….

    Just as AI can do whatever they want with their show…..this is MJ’s house and you just crapped on the floor…..

  • aidc08

    The radio station I listen to here in Seattle just commented on this story as part of it’s morning news segment.

    “Trouble at American Idol. AT&T Employees were able to power text votes for Kris Allen. Power texting is when 1 text counts for 10 votes.”

    I feel really bad for Kris. And Adam for that fact. If him and Kris are as good for friends as they appear to be I don’t think he would want all of this kind of stuff going on discrediting Kris’s win.’

    I really hope Idol or AT&T release an official statement to some how get all of this to stop.

  • cat

    Nothing that you do as a fan will have any impact on Idol. Idol isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t about you, it is about ratings and money.

    But how do ratings even occur? Because FANS watch.

    I submit that the fanbases are not what causes juggernaut ratings. It is the casual voter, as I said further on in my post. Fans of any particular contestant are not what AI and the sponsors care about. Fans of the *show*….yeah, prolly. But the largest chunk of viewers are the non-internet, non-fan, pick up a phone maybe twice a year and think they are *really* powervoting after casting 5 votes before they put the phone down and go on with their real lives. Those are the ones that they are targeting. The rest of us….not so much.

  • brie200

    I might kick myself for voicing an opinion on something that I had been staying out of before, but I have to echo the sentiment that this is a reality tv show. To put so much emphasis on unfairness in voting procedures for a silly little reality show that has always been bottom line about making money is ridiculous. We aren’t talking a presidential election here, but that seems to be the seriousness with which the results are often taken. I don’t care if AI is in bed with ATT. The thought of AI having to release vote totals by state seems a bit much, no?

    Is the voting suddenly unfair? No. The voting system might need to be overhauled, but IMO it has for quite sometime. If it’s unfair now, it’s been unfair to some degree for quite some time. Difference is many didn’t start bitching about it with such great intensity until Adam lost. Which is exactly why as a non fan of either Adam or Kris, I was fearing an Adam loss. Nobody bitched to the media when Cookie won last year nor did they bitch about unfair voting when Gokey got tossed to the curb. It’s only unfair when your favorite is on the losing end.

    As much as it is said that this is not about taking anything away from Kris, I think to some degree it is. The more shit stirred about vote counts and having to do recounts will take something away from Kris. I just don’t understand what viewers are trying to gain out of this whole thing. I have a sneaking suspicion both Adam and Kris just want the whole thing over and behind them so they can actually move on with their careers. Neither one of them probably wants the crown at this point.

  • sauer1

    I must say that this is really hard to swallow. I live in California and it is all over every newspaper and news radio and tv station. I am an Adam fan but I am totally happy that Kris won. I think what I am upset about is that I sat around voting by phone and text. By phone in 3 hours I got through 7 times. I textvoted by hand and got 265. I don’t know how to powervote and I don’t think that it is fair to let it happen. I thought that AI was stopping any powervoting. I feel for the people that can’t afford unlimited text or have another service. I think AI needs to do some heavy thinking into this matter as I will tell you, I will never sit around voting again. Especially since I know it really means nothing when the person next to me can get through 5,000 or so votes. Makes my vote look pretty meaningless. I just want AI to wake up and realize they are sitting on a timebomb and one day it is gonna explode. But Kris is our winner and I know Adam is very happy about it. So this matter doesn’t have anything to do with Kris, just AI and their way of doing things.

  • kristi

    Brie, while I occasionally sit on the grassy knoll and entertain conspiracy theories, I have to really agree with you. While I definitely think there are things about this whole season (not just the voting) that were really unfair, at this point in time……we need to let it go. To focus on what has happened to Kris and Adam, no matter which side one is on, will only hurt these two guys. Kris already said he thought Adam deserved it, but now he has to move on and accept his role, and doesn’t need to keep hearing and reading about how much he didn’t deserve it. Adam seems to have graciously accepted his fate in this, and it won’t help him to have his fans constantly reminding everyone about this gripe.

    However, I do think fans could do some good by focusing on what we would like to see different next year. I am all for having judges who actually pay attention during the show instead of wrestling and talking, keeping magazine covers and capes off limits as endorsement tools, and judges who stop predicting who will be in the finals from way back at top 10. I say this as an AVID Adam fan, who thinks the show hurt him a great deal by allowing things to happen that shouldn’t have happened.

    Any, for THIS season….let’s let it go, and try to impact next season.

  • jpfan

    Power texting is against Idol rules? Doesn’t every one send in tons of texts at a time? I can’t text because I’m not an AT&T customer but is that against the rules. Because I assume that’s how everyone votes. I never heard anyone on the show say you can’t do it.

    .

  • 2dogs

    This is a completely manufactured controversy and very unfair to both Kris, and to some extent even Adam. In the same was as the judges OTT pimping ended up tainiting Adam, the whiny/sore loser vibe of the “superfan” may inadvertently attach to Adam as well.

    Can’t people step back a minute and look at the bigger picture? Both Kris and Adam got wonderful exposure. Both will have songs and albums out for fans to buy and enjoy. Adam wants a career in music, not as a contestant on a reality tv show. And, that career will fail, or succeed, based on the quality of his music and how many people are willing to buy it. The focus should be on the future, not looking for ways to tar and feather Kris’s win.

    BTW, I see that Kris outsold Adam last week on iTunes. Did AT&T pay for that as well?

  • jammasta

    Okay, this used to be not such a big deal, but now I’m pissed. Why the hell can’t people let Kris have his win? And now my Adam fan mother is gonna be such a jerk about this. Fuck you, American media.

    Kris deserves it, don’t discredit him. And LOLZ at the IDF forum. In a bad way.

  • sallyas1

    How does this story tarnish Kris or Adam? Yes they are the players in this piece, but neither are at fault and no one is saying they are. This story tarnishes AI and AT&T. I wholeheartedly agree with koshka.

  • sallyas1

    Skywitch says it best:

    AT&T is a sponsor of AI and should have remained neutral. They didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    How does this story tarnish Kris or Adam? Yes they are the players in this piece, but neither are at fault and no one is saying they are. This story tarnishes AI and AT&T. I wholeheartedly agree with koshka.

    No. Because the slant of the NYT story, beginning with the screaming headline, is that Kris may not have won Idol legitimately.

    It’s a sensational story built on extremely thin evidence.

    I have no idea really, where he got the story, but it reads like he grabbed it off a fan site.

    If the writer had done his homework, done some investigating on how the voting system may be flawed–perhaps threw in a little Idol history, I wouldn’t be so dismissive.

    It’s crap journalism. The only purpose it’s serving is to get hits for the Times website. They’re losing money, you know.

  • karenw

    Charge a buck a vote and problem solvedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦donate it to charityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    Unfortunately that doesn’t stop the problem … we are charged for voting on the X Factor here in the UK (and all the other reality shows) .. and there are still cries of fix, conspiracy theories, certain phone lines being blocked etc.

    The year that Leon Jackson beat Rhydian they had to get offcom in to investigate problems with the phone lines after loads of people complained that they couldn’t get through and thought that it was a fix. … there were articles that it was the teen vote or regional voting (Leon is from Scotland and the Scots are well known for being very patriotic and vote for “their own”).

    I think it’s just the nature of these tyoe of shows that whenever a presumed “favourite” doesn’t win there is a lot of fall out afterwards.

    The only way to really solve the problem is to limit the voting to one vote per person (and that’s impossible to do with phone/text voting). .. so as long as we have AI and the X factor we are going to have arguments over voting afterwards unfortunately ….lol

  • unique28v

    The only purpose ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s serving is to get hits for the Times website. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re losing money, you know.

    Now This I agree with… LOL

    MSNBC just did another segment on it, and the two women admitted that even if there were voting problems it probably wasn’t enough to sway the vote. They also said that Adam is better off losing because he doesn’t have to sing that bad coronation song. They couldn’t even name over half of the winners. They could name more losers (J-Hud, Daughtry, etc). lol

    The media is also pushing the “this was the least watched finale” bit. AI is not looking good right about now.

    Although I don’t think this story is that big of a deal, I do think the voting method needs to change. But hey, thats just my opinion. Its all good. I got to meet Adam out of it. lol

  • SSZor

    As Bitterberts put their fingers on AT&T and the Text things, they forgot there was not only the rumor of 38M AR votes ,also a rumor about the landslide votes about 20M gap, which is more believable since Ryan didn’t even announce the number,which they did last year when there was more than 10M votes between two David.
    Possiblely Fox is hiding the number which shows Adam is not that popular as they thought to not embarrass Adam or Fox itself. As the last pimp, it definitely a good thing for Adam’s career.
    But Bitterberts never let it go. With the conceit, they even forgot DialIdol which base on phonecall not text which never got it wrong on the finale Predictions.
    OK, what the Bitterberts expect happen? Invalid some votes form several phones?
    As if the 38M AR votes is true (which is already cleared), as Bitterberts’ best can do, invalid half of them. It’s still Kris’ win.
    Even worser, what about there is more then 20M gap shows out?
    Whatever, it’s never a good situation for Adam
    What Bitterberts do, is dig grave for Adam, embarrass Adam and Fox.
    After all ,it’s surely Adam fans use à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“power textsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  too.

  • jammasta

    Just thought of something.

    Everybody uses power texts, AT&T just showed people how to do it, no big deal. Article turns it into media trash. I think Americans are smart enough to let this story go.

    It’s that IdolForums place that really has me irked. It’s kinda scary!

  • uh oh

    I don’t go near the Idol Forums, so don’t know what’s being said, but if you just state known facts, then it seems a heading that includes “Crazy Idol Fan Conspiracy Theories” is misleading and missing the point, IMO.

    If someone wants to sweep this under the rug and confuse the facts with concepts of who should and shouldn’t have won, and blame it on “crazed” fans, then fine, but that isn’t what any of this is about, IMO.

    I don’t see conspiracy theories here, much less crazed conspiracy theories. I see huge conflicts of interest in a wildly financially successful show that has gotten so greedy that a singing contest has less than 12 minutes of actual singing, while the rest of the time they are pimping soft drinks, cars, the tour, iTunes, and whoever is coming out with a CD or movie. And this doesn’t even include the actual commercial breaks!

    The 38 million votes has never been “debunked.” It was retracted by the Fox News, part of the Fox Network that airs AI, which happens to be the biggest, most financially successful TV show in the country. One of the ways they make money is through people texting votes. They make even more money when people power text. This is surely a conflict of interest. It may be in the best financial interests of show, but that’s all it is.

    It’s known that Arkansas had large corporate-sponsored voting parties. The one in the Conway football stadium brought 4000 people, many of whom admitted they never watched the show, they were just there for the party and free food. It’s known that not only did the AI sponsor AT&T provide free phones and power-texting lessons, it provided phones from different area codes so they could text longer across different time zones. This shouldn’t be allowed at all, much less encouraged, much less encouraged en masse by AT&T. If they voted an average of 5000 times each (and some people were reporting over 20,000), thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s 20 million text votes at one viewing party alone. If theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d only done half that, then that one voting party would have been more than 1/4 of the 38 million total.

    Power texting means not only large amounts of money for AI and the phone companies, but the all-important ability to show ever increasing vote totals. They don’t ever want it to look like vote totals have dropped. Heck, they didn’t even do Idol Gives Back this year because last year the totals were down and somehow 60 or 70 million (when they’d predicted 100 million) was seen as a failure, and they couldn’t have that again! With the economy down, they might only raise 50 million, and that would look so bad! (who cares that 50 million would have helped a heck of a lot of people! Egos & profits come first!)

    Does anyone really expect such powerful corporations as Fox and AI and AT&T to come out and fess up to anything that would affect their profit margins?

    In one of the UK shows, the text votes are not only charged very highly, the proceeds go to charity. Why not do this instead of an ego-stroking Idol Gives Back that they won’t even have unless they’re sure the $$ will top the year before?

    Why would it be considered subversive to suggest AI should be held accountable for the vote totals and how they are achieved, especially after this? Why enable and feed the all-consuming greed of the AI machine? Why not bring the focus back to the singers and individual people who pick up their phones and vote for them? **shocker!**

    Of course vote totals should be accounted for, and text votes should be charged very highly – and given to charity. The AI machine can well afford it.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s known that Arkansas had large corporate-sponsored voting parties. The one in the Conway football stadium brought 4000 people, many of whom admitted they never watched the show, they were just there for the party and free food. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s known that not only did the AI sponsor AT&T provide free phones and power-texting lessons, it provided phones from different area codes so they could text longer across different time zones. This shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be allowed at all, much less encouraged, much less encouraged en masse by AT&T. If they voted an average of 5000 times each (and some people were reporting over 20,000), thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s 20 million text votes at one viewing party alone. If theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d only done half that, then that one voting party would have been more than 1/4 of the 38 million total.

    Seriously? Do you have a cite for that? Or did you read it on a forum somewhere?

    Just like the rumors running rampant on Adam fan threads, The Times is making assumptions based on flimsy evidence. The writer doesn’t even know for sure that there were absolutely no AT&T peeps attending parties for Adam Lambert.

    Like I said above, it reads like he grabbed it off a fansite.

  • 2dogs

    So much of the AT&T “scandal” reeks of urban legend and sour grapes. The debate will go on I suppose, because people will see what they want to see. It’s just a shame that so little of the attention is on the legitimate, musical talents of Kris and Adam. Kris deserves his day in the sun and Adam deserves more than the victim mantle that others are trying to drape over him.

  • AC

    You know, even if the vote totals come out some of the crazier Adam Lambert fans are not going to be happy. I’m thinking that it probably was by a big margin as reported by Billy Bush on Access Hollywood but AI didn’t want to make a big thing of Adam losing by that much. Billy Bush told Kris directly that he won by a lot, but after that interview, he kept telling press that the votes were probably close. That is class. By the way, all this talk about conspiracies is probaby making AI very happy because that translates to sales. The last time it got this crazy was Clay and Ruben and you know what happened? Yup, the biggest debut sales from AI.

  • listen

    please compare the two references to both adam and kris in the very same articleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Adam:
    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“You are swivel hipped and pillow lipped. You have an outsize talent and a fondness for Cher. You have blond hair dyed black and styled in an asymmetrical shag. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Kris Allen, a generic teen idol type with a waxed cowlick and a lopsided smileà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Well, I hate to break it to you, but I think most would agree re Kris’s talent. The article isn’t saying Kris isn’t a good musician, just that there are many like him. And if you look around there are lots of guys like Kris out there.
    While Adam’s talent is out of the ordinary… This is a fact. You may not like the sound of Adam’s voice or what he does with it, but the man is a huge talent.

    Back to topic at hand, let it go. Kris won, Adam didn’t. It is the future that matters to these guys. And, the future looks good for both.

  • jpfan

    I’m not sure the voting “controversy” translates to album sales. It’s more like the winner is discredited because of voter fraud. I’m not sure how much that helps the show considering this was one of the lowest viewed finales ever.

  • sauer1

    Why doesn’t this thread just end. Kris won and Adam is happy for being in the final. I am an Adam fan but I am totally happy with the outcome. Kris is such a great guy and the both of them are happy for each other.

    Who gives a rats ass now. I hate the vote problem but it is what it is. Adam fans, please just let it go. The larger majority of Adam fans are good people and happy with the outcome. Don’t pigeonhole us in with the crazies out there.

    Listen to Adam’s interview today on Regis and Kelly. He is so happy and his song “Mad World” was awesome. He got to sing the cool song.

    They both deserve to be where they are!! Adam fans, watch the interview and let this thread go! All is good in the Adam world.

  • gangreen29

    uh oh, I remember reading about the stadium party, but no where did I see anything about people saying they didn’t watch the show, or were provided with phones with different area codes. I think there is a bit of truth tied up in a bunch of rumors…..

    The crazed reaction by some fans really had me confused for awhile, because it seemed like they didn’t care if it hurt Adam in the long run by dragging out these conspiracies, as long as it was shown that he was the real winner. Then I started to notice on different boards that a few people were saying Kris was the only winner besides Taylor that they hadn’t been a fan of during the season, and that it made them so angry he lost. I’m sorry, but how on earth are you an Adam Lambert, David Cook, Jordin Sparks, Carrie Underwood, Fantasia Barrino and Ruben Studdard fan. Those artists have nothing in common, besides the fact that they were for the most part the front runners during their season. I think many of the people who are really bitter are not fans of Adam for his music, because they would understand in the long run it won’t hurt him that much to be runner up, and he doesn’t have to sing the horrible No Boundaries but can do media tours with Mad World. The people who are the most up in arms are the people who derive some kind of strange self worth from backing the right winner, so they root for the front runner, and when that is not validated by an upset like Taylor or Kris they FREAK OUT. This will all fade by the next American Idol, however, when those complaining now probably won’t have bought Adam Lambert’s CD (which I’m so excited for now that I hear he is going to be including some kind of dance pop), but will have found a new person to obsess over and make themselves feel like a winner for this american idol contestants achievements.

  • frogcooke

    “By the way, all this talk about conspiracies is probaby making AI very happy because that translates to sales. The last time it got this crazy was Clay and Ruben and you know what happened? Yup, the biggest debut sales from AI.”

    ^^Which is why it wouldnt surprise me in the least if this whole thing wasnt started by tptb themselves…. lol

    ill join you on the knoll…

  • Kirsten

    If they voted an average of 5000 times each (and some people were reporting over 20,000), thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s 20 million text votes at one viewing party alone.

    I’m sorry, but your math is incorrect. If they each voted an average of 5000 times and there were 20,000 people, that’s 100 million votes.

    Now that I have provided the correct numbers, I think that people should alert their local news agencies with these numbers. It’s much worse than we thought. Shockingly, every single vote cast last week was cast from a single viewing party in a dinky town in Arkansas. Although, I must say that I’m a little stunned that Adam didn’t get a single vote. You’d think that he would have gotten a fan or two who would have gotten of their a$$es to vote. Billy Bush sure was right about that landslide.

    For the record, I think that there is NO WAY the cell infrastructure could have supported 100 million calls in a 4 hour window (or 20 million) from an area so small as a stadium in Conway. A decent sized cell tower usually can handle about 240 voice calls or about 1000 text messages at the same time. Anybody driving by while using their cellphone would have cut into that capacity. In large urban areas, the capacity would be larger by having the towers closer together. For major events, the companies will sometimes bring in extra equipment. Just watch, now that I’ve posted it, there will now be rumours about AT&T trucking in COWs from all over the country to support voting in Conway.

  • frogcooke

    “Just watch, now that Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve posted it, there will now be rumours about AT&T trucking in COWs from all over the country to support voting in Conway.”

    I think you may be on to something here!!! Quick alert the news!

  • undercooked

    I like Adam and wish him well. But in general, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s better to not have the hype overwhelm the reality. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fine if Kelly and RS annoint him the first Rock Star to come out of Idol but the general public has to come on board as well. So far I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see signs of that happening. And Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m picking up a radio backlash against the hype.

    I live in Los Angeles, and one of DJ’s of one of the bigger radio stations here, 98.7, is calling Adam a superstar. Yeah, probably a bit much, but I think the backlash, if there is any, will be regional.

    Also, for those saying that the NY Times should be reporting on more important things, the front page of the NY Times is all about the Supreme Court nomination, the ruling on Gay Marriage, the GM bankruptcy, and baseball world series food. The AT&T story is in the Business section on page 6, bottom of the page.

    I think this will blow over in a couple of days. If they start looking into the vote for this season, they will have to go back to all the other seasons. No one wants to go down that path. And I do squarely put the blame on some loud mouths in the Arkansas goverment for giving this story legs.

  • AnnieT

    I am so infuriated over the fact that AT&T cheated and encouraged others in the little town of Conway, AK to do the same! I realize this isn’t going to make the outcome any different at this point but thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not even the issue now. My anger is this: how do we know if any of our votes for any of our idol favorites always went through? I know I spoke with and blogged with many, many people last Wednesday morning after the finale and everyone said the same thing, that Adam’s line was busy the entire 4 hours and we only got through a few times. Last Tuesday was the least amount of votes I got in for Adam this entire Season and it was a 4 hour voting window but his phone lines were always busy. We all took this as a good sign, if his line was busy that means A LOT of people were constantly voting for him. But now the question is… how do we know AT&T didn’t continue their cheating by blocking our calls? How do we know that they didn’t do this in prior seasons? The problem is we don’t know and probably will never know but my suggestion is this: American Idol must get another vendor and get rid of AT&T! Why are they the only phone company used for texting in this competition anyway? Years ago the phone monopoly was taken away and other phone vendors are now in place. AI allowing only AT&T to be used for texting means they are agreeing with monopolization which is illegal! I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to blame American Idol (yet) because I love that show and I wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want it to be taken off of the air. I like to believe they had nothing to do with AT&Tà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fraudulent actions. I obviously donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t blame Kris either, he had nothing to do with this. Actually, I feel sorry for Kris, he’ll never really know if he truly won because of the cheating of AT&T. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even blame the little town of Conway, AK butà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. someone has to take the blame and that someone at this point is AT&T. I think they should apologize to American Idol fans, apologize to all American Idol contestants and I think American Idol should open their door for other phone companies. There probably will never be a complete fail-safe method but to blatantly allow AT&T to continue as the only vendor for texting would be a smack in the face for all American Idol die-hard fans! If nothing is done about this then my next step is contacting the FCC and then the Attorney General!

  • Layla

    Adam definately deserved to win as he was the most charismatic and talented performer this season. He was the buzz EVERYWHERE including the cover of EW.

    Yeps..I do think anti-gay votes were cast, along with gokey (Christian) votes going to Kris…how could they not have been?

    Kris is sweet and cute but as he said himself: if it were just a singing contest he wouldn’t have won. His winning, for me, was very flat and very unexciting…having to sing NB made it worse. I don’t think he is unique in any way, and comes off rather bland and not very articulate in interviews.

    I think the south with its penchant for football, competition, cheerleading competitions and beauty pageants would be more inclined to vote for the good ol’ southern boy…and they did. Newspapers in Arkansas should have kept their big fat mouths shut instead of boasting and bragging about the type of voting they did and how.

    I do think that ATT, as it is a sponser, of AI should not be allowed any where near voting fans. Its wrong.

    But all of this doesn’t matter anymore and fans who are still really upset should just get a grip and come to terms with the fact that Kris is the American Idol. What do they expect to happen by stirring the pot? That Kris wll be dethroned and Adam named American Idol? Fuckin silly if you ask me.

    They should instead concentrate on how Adam totally charms wherever he goes and is still creating a buzz and aura around him. They shoud be thankful that he gets to sing the shit out of Mad World instead of singing the wretched NB.

    The only good thing should come out of this is that AI change the voting system and stop ATT from having a monopoly on text messages and offering free anything and support.

  • Layla

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Trouble at American Idol. AT&T Employees were able to power text votes for Kris Allen. Power texting is when 1 text counts for 10 votes.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    ye gods…is it now going around that ATT employees were voting? Lord.

    Like I said…ATT needs to stay the hell away from any type of voting party. It does ring of favoritism.

  • gangreen29

    AnnieT, You are going to call the attorney general?! Over a tv show lol. I sure hope there is other stuff you get this worked up about, because there are a lot of things more important than who won a glorified talent show.

  • Cinemaniac86

    This is all bullshit, I think. I’m sure you’re right about it being Claymate-like campaigners for justice, who are still crying their eyes out (pathetically) that Adam didn’t score a victory, drummed up this horsetwat to create controversy, as if it’s going to change the winner. No one recounted for Clay, and no one is recounting for Adam.

    Here are some of the reasons this is all poppycock:

    1) There were threads ALL OVER IDF teaching people how to “power-vote”. It’s simple: Make 10 contacts (e.g. Kris 1, Kris 2, etc.), all with Kris’s text number (5702), and thus, the message gets sent 10x per texting effort. It’s far from rocket science, and Adam fans, among others, were ALL taught the same thing.

    2) As you said, MJ, Taylor had this, as did Bo and Ruben. It didn’t work for Bo, so it proves that it’s not always effective. But whoooooo is to say that Adam did not have this sort of voting effort? The Glamberts are CRAZY. They were obsessed with voting and against vote-splitting with Kris on Top 3 night. Perhaps they just didn’t have enough people, plain and simple. Perhaps this is why Adam almost always closed the show and why Simon had to beg for votes–because Adam was *ALWAYS* on the brink of elimination….

    3) Billy Bush might actually not be a complete tool, and might’ve actually had a valid source; so even if this AT&T extra help was true, it wouldn’t have made much of a difference. Those Adam fans at that IDF thread are beyond lame.

    4) I think the article itself might’ve been created prior to AT&T’s official statement that the “38 million from Arkansas” rumor was false. Which would prove, once again, that the media jumped the gun….Just like they did when they hilariously reported before the results that Adam won, because it was such a sure thing.

    BWAHAHAHAH, I laugh at them all.

  • frogcooke

    lol its on the front page of yahoo and cnn is got something about it too… ROFL

  • wand3rful

    i live in la and kris’ lines were busy, for the most of the entire 4 hr block period. im with verizon, i used my cell…not sure if that made a difference. really, we can sit here and compare notes all day, this yr is no diff than yrs past, in terms of voting techniques. and you cant fault att, they are a corporate sponsor, they need to make money, as does AI…. it is a business.

  • undercooked

    Everybody uses power texts, AT&T just showed people how to do it, no big deal. Article turns it into media trash. I think Americans are smart enough to let this story go.

    I think someone made a good point that AT&T has better coverage in some areas and not others. I don’t think there is anything wrong with power voting etc., but they shouldn’t restrict it only to AT&T phones. I really think that is the issue.

    Ok, I found it. It was from Koshka.

    I do however believe that there is a part 2 to this story. This deep relationship between AI & ATT over time has skewed the results as text messaging has gained a foothold over the last 8 years. AI is reliant on ATT for sponsorship and this has been a highly beneficial relationship for ATT. AI does not desire to change their voting because this would mean **a loss of sponsorship**. With the cost of texting and Go Phones AT&T has a cash cow on their hands. Not only that but this is at the exclusion of all other carriers. So if I have Verizon I can not text vote, but have to rely on a landline.

    Cell Coverage across the US with AT&T is not consistent.
    http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/

    Since we know that a good portion of votes are from text voting and go phones.. I really think this is something that needs to be looked into over the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Conflict of Interestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in AR. Some years ago I lived in CA we dumped AT&T because the coverage was spotty & we had frequent calls dropped. If you look at the map you can see that the WESTERN US has less coverage, therefore few subscribers and in the end FAR FEWER text voters, not to mention TEXT POWER voters (which is a whole other issues). Power texting just compounds this problem. So you now have the South East and Midwest with a significant edge. This may contribute as to why most finalists come from the south.

    Now go and take a look at the GO Phone situation on the map from the link sent. Same issue but worse. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure why the Go Phones actually show less coverage as the cell phones, but I wonder if this doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean that there are fewer GO phones sold in the areasà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ and again it is in the WEST, but more wide spread.

    I think it is time to shed light on why the voting has not changed (At&T reaping big $$) and who is benefiting. AI is so deeply in bed with ATT that they no longer care about quality programing – NOW it really is all about chasing the $$.

    We are not all crazy fans – screaming about the outcome.

  • http://inkdbylilyanna.com carolina

    I respectfully disagree. They also need to release the Arkansas vote total with a breakdown or the story will never go away.

    :lol_tb:

    that will never happen – what next? Senate Hearings?

    How about Dave White as Special Prosecutor?

  • downeast

    I agree that this looks sort of sad, but fundamentally disagree that it’s going to harm either Kris OR Adam. There is no such thing as bad publicity when it comes to highlighting how vested their fans were, and continue to be.

    This entire season seemed out of whack, and maybe this outrage is a reflection of that. The judges’ opinions were frequently undeserved by the performance we saw (either insultingly negative…Allison…cough or overpraising what was clearly mediocre…not going to pick one here as I’m trying to keep this positive).

    Maybe it’s that with the fourth judge their opinions seemed to have more weight. Or that Simon, who for years has been the voice of reason (Randy will be incomprehensible, Paula will sound like she’s whoever’s mom, and then Simon will tell us the real deal), this year…wasn’t. It was frequently just STRANGE.

    But the fact is that the show is a reality television show, and NOT a game show. And therefore they can screw around with any aspect they care to without any risk.

    After eight years of “shocking boots,” “pimp spots,” “vocal masterclass” and “you have no personality”…I think everyone is just bored with the machinations and bullshit and trying to call it such.

    It won’t change, though. Unfortunately.

  • CRB

    This story is on the front page at AOL today (Wed., 5/27) too. Somebody here just told me that I was telling them about this last week…so it’s an old story. Now we need those squawking Lambskanks to call Bill O’Reilly to get him cover it and the circle will be complete. Perhaps spin it as “gay bashing” by the corporate giant AT&T or something.

  • Mad_World

    Wow, I’m an Adam fan big time, and this is beyond ridiculous. Adam lost, he’s fine with it. GET OVER IT. I’m a normal Glambert, I promise.

  • http://www.equinoxrpg.com dreamr

    To think that this article will hurt Adam is insane. Sorry, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just not going to happen. Adam is not the one crying foul, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been very gracious and seems to have taken it very well.

    It can hurt Adam because I know that I was fully intending to check out his album and buy it, but not any more. I’ll download it if I want it. And I’m not above telling my friends to do the same.

    It should be one phone number one vote, period.

    Which wouldn’t help since people buy GoPhones and some families have numerous cells, like one for every person in their family. My roommate and I have one phone. Not each. We have the house phone. That’s it. We don’t have the house phone plus three cell phones. And I’m sorry, but I’m not going to go out and buy ten GoPhones just to vote on Idol. I have bills to pay.

    ATT is firmly entrenched in Arkansas-not so popular in California (Verizon is number one there I think)

    That would be Idol’s fault then, wouldn’t it? Seeing as AT&T is their sponsor? I don’t think Arkansas forced them to use AT&T as a sponsor.

    Besides, someone in the thread said that they live in California and they have AT&T, as does everyone they know.

    WHY THE HECK do you think Idol refuses to release how many votes separated the two contestants when the country à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“thoughtà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  it was so close? because it was a blowout that would make no sense except for the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“power-textingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Unless, of course, you know…Kris picked up more fans the last week and got votes from Danny’s fans and casual voters. I know, I know…that’s difficult to believe, seeing how he was so “bland” and “unoriginal” and Adam was the second coming.

    yeah, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all over. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure kris will be dethroned by the weekend.

    If that happens, I will be boycotting everything to do with Idol and Adam Lambert. And I will continue to fully support Kris Allen in every way I possibly can.

    And I have Neilsen monitors hooked up to every television in my home. If we don’t watch Idol, the ratings really will fall.

  • Cinemaniac86

    I believe you are, Mad_World. I wish more were like you.

    Okay, well, part of me doesn’t, because it’s just HILARIOUS to hear how Idolgate is being fed greater importance than, among other things, Prop. 8. Perhaps if this much effort was put into organizing against Prop. 8, then it wouldn’t have passed. Amazing.

    Also, yes, CRB. I so wanna hear Bill O’RLY’s take on all this. I think it will bring the lulz.

    By the way, just for posterity, I’m gay and I think I’m the only one who doesn’t feel like gay rights were set back by Adam’s loss. Srsly. In fact, if anything, the Kradam Bromance has actually spoken volumes about how this country is moving forward than Adam winning EVER could.

  • lavender1960

    Oh man has NY Times sunk several more rungs down the sliding ladder of journalistic incompetence into National Enquirer land or worse News of the World Weekly, you know the tabloid with stories like Elvis is still alive and aliens are living amongst us. Frankly I think National Enquirer checks their facts better than the NY Times. Slow news week? The NY Times lost all credibility for me in the 2004 election so I take everything they print now with a huge grain of salt. They still have good columnists though.

    I agree that the Kradam bromance is a good sign for the state of the union because I certainly don’t think their friendship, as in friendships between people with very different lifestyles, is that unqiue anymore but for those areas of the US and the world where this friendship would still be considered unusual, hopefully it sets a good example as to how decent human beings relate regardless of religion, race or sexual orienatation.

  • lavender1960

    Don’t forget Gizmo and a variety of other software programs readily available on the internet, that allows people from outside of the US to vote in American Idol and I am sure both Kris and Adam were getting the benefit of that less than legitimate voting mechanism.

  • Cinemaniac86

    Yeah, The New York Times, for example, has some of the BEST film critics. I love Mahnola Dargis

  • kansasfemale

    the fans I’ve come into contact with don’t want a recount, nor do they want to take the title away from Kris. We all know that Adam will be fine, and quite possibly turn the “loss” to his advantage.

    I do see it as a wake-up call to AI that , quite possibly, there needs to be some tweeking of voting procedures….just because “we’ve always done it this way”, or “it’s been this crazy every year”, doesn’t make it right or perfect. Use this furor as a kick in the b*** to change things up slightly.

    I understand that they want to allow multiple votes as a way to gauge the depth of the passion for each contestant, versus a democratic one-vote-per-person method. With these kind of vote parties, 10-at-a-time texting, GoPhones etc, it will only get worse.

    I agree that ATT was kindof stupid from a marketing standpoint and a PR standpoint by throwing these parties (however small) for just one of the contestants. Imagine the increased sales and publicity if they had done it for both….would have increased the GoPhone purchases beyond what they already were (which is ONE figure I would LOVE to be privy to btw)

    I feel that AI DOES have the ability to easily tweek things for next year, and perhaps smooth a lot of the ruffled feathers, if they simply add additional lines next year. Surely they have the funds for this….less busy signals from people phoning in will mean less non-att provider complaints…less phone vs text complaints…and less complaints from folks who sat for 4 hours trying like crazy to vote for their choice only to be able to get through 10 times.

    more phone lines…………..please……esp on finale night…instead of doubling the allotted phone-in-time… double the number of phone lines open

  • Cinemaniac86

    ….The rest of my post disappeared, haha.

    Continued:

    Perhaps the author was a bitter gay guy or hag. And if so, srsly, move on. Shouldn’t you be writing about more important matters, such as the degradation of family values by Jon & Kate 8??

  • aidc08

    The CNN article states that AT&T will issue a statement today.

    Interesting. Stay tuned….

  • jersey

    LOL, my husband works for AT&T. Does this mean I shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Or worse yet, what if my husband actually voted!! GASP! And we have unlimited texting!

  • maturin

    Even worser, what about there is more then 20M gap shows out?

    You know what really hurts? The grammar. FOR THE LOVE OF WEBSTER, people.

    For major events, the companies will sometimes bring in extra equipment. Just watch, now that Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve posted it, there will now be rumours about AT&T trucking in COWs from all over the country to support voting in Conway.

    Now the *cows* are voting? God, no wonder Lambert was robbed. Who looks like they drink more milk, I ask you, Kris or Adam? No contest, am I right? So now the wholesome country boy with his cursed sideways-singing, milk-sipping, DoanCryMomma! adorable face has recruited whole HERDS of bovines to vote with all four hooves, and maybe some teats, and it’s just dastardly!

    What? You said which? Oh. Never mind.

  • debbie

    CNN has a page referring to it as “textgate”

  • uh oh

    For the reasons I already stated, I respectfully disagree with the logic that there’ve been text parties in other seasons or with other contestants before so it’s okay that AT&T provides phones & power-texting lessons, along with other corporate sponsors who provide football stadiums, etc. Also, the voting issue goes beyond corporate-sponsored organized parties, including not only corporate collusion but new technologies such as Gizmo, Skype, and issues commentors like hwc and koshka have mentioned.

    I don’t understand how a corporate retraction of something a news anchor said on the Fox News can be suddenly labeled as being false to begin with unless that’s proven, and it hasn’t been. (So the Fox anchor went on network news with completely fabricated information from AT&T? Well, AT&T said it was false, so it is. Wow. That was easy. )

    I don’t understand how bringing up corporate complicity turns it into a “conspiracy theory.” If people want to laugh it off and say it’s all rigged so who cares, then fine. But Fox, AI and AT&T are laughing too, all the way to the bank. Corporations have a way of doing that, especially when people look the other way and let them.

    Following is an article that was easy to find and shows complicity re the organized parties.

    In Conway after Tuesday’s performances, fans at the Estes Stadium watch party took out wireless phones and started making calls and firing off text messages – some voting on their own devices and others on phones borrowed from AT&T, which supplied about 50 display units and representatives to teach multiple “power texting.”
    AT&T also made about 30 phones available in a “texting zone” at a watch party at the Peabody Little Rock hotel, where Megan Lynch and friend Rainey Gibson, both 22, watched Allen perform his first song of the night, Bill Withers’ “Ain’t No Sunshine.”
    A table of outlets and power cords was available at Estes Stadium for those whose batteries ran out of juice. One of them was UCA student Bill Coghlan, who admitted he didn’t actually watch the show, but was voting because “My friend told me to.”
    Nobody had to urge UCA student Brittany Gilbert to dial in votes. “I start five minutes before the show ends, and I don’t stop,” she said, eyes fixed to her phone with fingers perpetually poking buttons. “Never. Not at all. Not to go to the bathroom.”
    She said she was leaving to get access to three more phones during the four-hour voting bloc. Others vowed to remain at the stadium and keep voting until the midnight event closed.
    The event was the fifth watch party organized by the Kris Allen Kick Awesome Task Force, said organizer Sonja Keith.
    The task force plans another watch party tonight at Conway’s Simon Park. Another party also is planned for Peabody as well as other sites.

    ETA: I’ll also add that I have great respect for MJ, and if I spend any time seeking out AI news or comments (except now, for this issue!), 95% of it is from her blog.

  • crushony0ux

    Sending 10 text messages at a time is not power voting in the context of AIà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s rules. 10 is the max you can send on an AT&T cel phone in a single dial. It has always been unclear if duplicate texts to the same number at the same time counted. For the Finale, each contestant has 3 numbers to call.

    I’ve actually been wondering this for a while – if when you send ten texts at one time, they actually get counted as ten texts. As pathetically addicted as I am to Idol, I rarely vote. When I did finally decide to vote this season (top three) I did it using this so called “power text”. No one taught it to me, I didn’t find it on any message boards – my friends and I have been bombarding each other’s phones with hundreds of what we call “mass texts” sent in this fashion since October. I voted that way, three times, maybe, just because I thought it’d be quicker.

    But I do have an actual question in regards to voting in that manner. When you vote via text, does every individual text get a “thank you for voting for so and so” response? That’s the first time I’ve ever voted by text, and while I thought I had submitted thirty votes, I only got one thank you text back.

    If my votes counted or not doesn’t bother in me the slighest, I was just genuinely curious if anyone actually knows if this duplicate (power, mass, whatever you want to call them) texts do, in fact, get counted?

  • downeast

    Kris fans wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be this retarded if he lost to Adam,

    Have to respectfully disagree, if only because every single year seems at least part of every losing contestant’s fanbase goes totally insane for a while. Clay fans, LaToya fans, Daughtry-ites, shoot I even remember the Blake contingent (can’t remember their cutsey name right now) having conniptions about how the whole thing was rigged because Randy was business partners with Jordan’s father, and that’s why she won. And let’s not forget the Archie hysteria from last year.

    It’s part of the process, probably, for an unfortunate few in every contestant’s fanbase. It’s probably exacerbated by how difficult things are economically right now: so many of us are frustrated and scared, and to have a target for all that piss-off may be fueling some re-directed aggression.

    Adam is making it very clear that Kris won, he’s fine with that and we’re all looking forward to the future. That’s good enough for me.

  • jersey

    Hey, those Kris Allen fans were organized! Good on them!

    I find this thread really interesting. Mostly because I always scoffed at those that said that fans can have an affect on people’s views of the artist. However, and I say this as someone who texted exactly equally for Kris and Adam all season and did not vote on finale night, I now think they’re right.

    Going into finale night, I said I didn’t care who won because I liked them both equally. I stated in an earlier thread this week that I actually kind of hoped that Adam would win but in retrospect, I was glad that Kris did. After watching this thread evolve over the course of the day, I’m sad to realize that it is affecting my view of Adam. Not my view of Adam so much as my desire to ever purchase anything he puts out or to attend one of his solo concerts. So I guess I shouldn’t have been so easy to scoff at those that said fan behavior reflects on the artist. Apparently, they are correct.

  • debbie

    I even remember the Blake contingent (canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember their cutsey name right now)

    Blakes’s flakes?

  • downeast

    Well I googled it…”The Blaker Girls”.

    Yikes.

  • jersey

    Go Team Plaid! :wink1_tb:

  • LaurelG

    the fans Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve come into contact with donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want a recount, nor do they want to take the title away from Kris. We all know that Adam will be fine, and quite possibly turn the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“lossà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to his advantage.

    I do see it as a wake-up call to AI that, quite possibly, there needs to be some tweeking of voting proceduresà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.just because à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve always done it this wayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , or à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been this crazy every yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make it right or perfect. Use this furor as a kick in the b*** to change things up slightly.

    Thank you, kansasfemale! I’m not suggesting that Kris be stripped of his title either. And Adam will be fine. But I’m amazed that there don’t seem to be any Kris fans out there who even entertain the idea that the system could be improved. It’s as if there are two separate conversations going on. One, where one side is trying to talk about the voting system and how technological devices and corporate sponsorship can possibly play a role in determining who the winner is, contrary to stated AI policy and the general viewer’s understanding of how the winner is chosen. And the other side who barely acknowledges the arguments except to say “unproven” or “always been this way” or “sour grapes.” One side wants full disclosure and the other side wants no disclosure (except maybe the margin, which doesn’t answer the ultimate question at all) or no more discussion (i.e. no more news articles, let’s stop talking about it, let’s close the thread).

    Computer programmers are constantly retooling and improving firewall and security programs because viruses and the people who create them just get wilier over time. The AI voting system is a dinosaur and it can be and should be improved. That’s all.

  • jersey

    And what happens if “full disclosure” shows Kris is still the winner? Do you think the call to arms will stop? I think some other conspiracy will be put forward. It’s reality tv. Call me when it becomes an issue in the presidential election.

  • jpfan

    You mean about 400 people and 80 cell phones made the difference for Kris.
    I hope I’m not engaging in racial stereotyping but why couldn’t some tech savvy foks from India and a few of Anoop’s college friends have done the same thing for him. Well, at least I don’t have to worry about America losing its technological edge to South Asia. Some folks from Arkansas have it all figured out.

  • downeast

    And what happens if à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“full disclosureà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  shows Kris is still the winner?

    Exactly. And who would believe “full disclosure” is really that? This show is so full of machinations and chicanary that there’s nothing short of having the results audited by an independent organization from now on that would prove anything, and even then, there would be those questioning how “independent” that company would really be.

    I’m all for fixing the voting rules, because I think they’re stupid and time-consuming and feed this very kind of obsessiveness (and I’m as obsessed as the next uber fan, don’t get me wrong).

    But it’s time to call this season over and get on with it. Surely someone will piss everyone off on Dancing With the Stars this week :)?

  • wand3rful

    whats next? an expose on how dancing with the stars tends to use/promote celebrities from the disney,abc networks. LOL

    like MJ said, if this guy at the Times had bothered to do some real research, or at least place real focus on corporate sponsorship, then i would give the story some validity….but bottom line,he is trying to uncover some big scandal for the paper, for the sake of selling papers/getting hits …aka making money (ohhhh, the irony).

    and in this day and age of blogs/twitter, you dont have to do much to start or feed a rumor.

  • Pixie Baker

    When I checked in on the news this morning….at 4:30….I saw the headline news of this on DRUDGE. When I went to check messages at AOL….it was lead entertainment page article. My local radio station….at 6:30am led with this story….sheesh….everyone is running with this.
    Kris must be the most HUMBLE person in the universe since he said the thing that kept him from getting a big head about his win….was all the talk about Adam Lambert.
    Poor Kris……………..if I were him I would be kind of down right now.

  • Calliope

    The real issue here is not that people can power vote, but the fact that normal viewers of the show cannot vote, due to the overloaded phone circuits. In my several years of AI voting, it has been impossible to get past the busy signals for hours at a time. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like pouring a gallon of water through a drinking straw. The same amount of water is going to end up in the bucket through the straw no matter how many gallons you try to pour. This, for all intents and purposes, means that the final 3 or final 2 contestants will always be tied in the phone voting in most markets. The Pope and Charles Manson would be tied because fans of both would be getting busy signals.

    The whole problem is the unlimited phone voting which overloads the phone circuits and nullifies the votes of virtually all viewers except the most rabid crazy text-messaging fans.

    Yeah, I used to think that it was more casual viewers who had an impact, but when lines are so jammed you cannot even get through… I doubt it. It’s just become about who is more organized and backed by texters.

    Having said that, even no matter what bullshit there was surrounding this, Kris won under the rules. Power texting because your friend asked you to is okay. And I don’t care if AI is fair or not; it’s a show, not kindergarten. If you subscribe to conspiracy theories, maybe AT&T thought Kris was a better representative for their corporation. Maybe Arkansas all sat down and voted for Kris Allen. I don’t care. It doesn’t matter to what happens post-show either, except for a bit more promotion initially, singing to Walmart and going last on tour. They will do what they want with the contestants they want after it’s all done.

    And I say this as an Adam fan who would have loved to see him in a confetti shower, but now that has passed, it doesn’t matter. I think Kris is really sweet (albeit, not my thing musically), and don’t want to see him (along with Adam) dragged through this. I said I felt bad for whoever won if it wasn’t Adam during The Adam Lambert Show, but when it was Kris, I didn’t. He seemed gracious and sweet and the best at dealing with coming first to Adam’s second (who still gets so much buzz). I didn’t realize that this would manifest.

    Still, there seems to be a subset of Adam fans who seem to be aiming for an award for “Craziest fans EVAR” and this isn’t helping deter that. Granted, asking for “No Boundaries” on the radio, stalking his brother and fangirling his ex was already proof of that. I do think Adam has a chance to not be taken down by that since he already has so much surrounding him that I don’t think this will be the main Adam story.

    By the way, MJ: I don’t those fans were responsible for the NYT story, but trying to spread the story.

  • wand3rful

    and yes, we should look at re-tooling the voting system, but that was NOT the focus of the article. and its naive to think that the headline/the way it was written wouldn’t lead many (bloggers, other media outlets) to run with the story and sensationalize it. hence the “sour grapes”, and “get over it” sentiments from many idol fans. its just silly and odd that out of the 8 seasons, NOW is the time the Times wants to cover the power of texting. riiiiiiiiiiight. This has been going on since season 5, if i can recall. Thus why now? And why the Times? You always have to consider your source.

  • suebrody

    edit: don’t tell posters what to do

  • downeast

    Must be some kind of slow-ass news day. Seriously.

    Tomorrow Britney or Lindsay will have a relapse, Brangelina or Madonna will have a baby, or some actor will slug someone and this will all be history.

  • wand3rful

    Yes, please somebody adopt a baby, so we can lose this story STAT!

  • http://www.equinoxrpg.com dreamr

    others on phones borrowed from AT&T, which supplied about 50 display units and representatives to teach multiple à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“power texting.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    AT&T also made about 30 phones available in a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“texting zoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  at a watch party at the Peabody Little Rock hotel,

    So EIGHTY cell phones is what this is about? EIGHTY? Seriously? EIGHTY? By the way everyone is freaking out, you would’ve thought more along the lines of AT&T giving out 8 million cell phones programmed only to vote for Kris.

  • cat

    Hey, those Kris Allen fans were organized! Good on them!

    So were Taylor Hicks’ fans. It’s been wonderful for his career. :blink_tb:

  • brie200

    I think it’s quite normal for fans to pitch a bit of a fit and play the unfair card when their person loses, but outside of maybe S2 with Clay, I feel like it’s going way further this season than it usually does. I fully admit being invested in this thing makes you do weird things (talk to me about S7), but there are limits.

    I’m also not sure anybody, even Kris fans, are saying that the voting system doesn’t need to be revamped at any point in the future. But I have to just agree with the sentiment that the texting crap has been going on for seasons and my issue is I just find it ridiculous that this whole issue of unfair voting is only coming to light because Adam, the chosen one, didn’t win. Would these same Adam fans be upset about unfair voting if the shoe was on the other foot and the AT&T people were out at organized Adam parties while Kris got nothing? I’m guessing the outrage on part of these same fans would be pretty non existant if Adam had won.

    Also where do AT&T people draw the line? I never power voted, but I was part of the Castro fan contingent the season before. Fans were advised to go to AT&T and buy Go Phones and all the usual crap. Many fans told the AT&T peeps exactly what the phones were being used for and the workers set them up and taught them how to use them for Idol voting (hence power voting). Sure it might not be the same as attending an Idol party, but it’s the same concept. I’m sure AT&T workers all over the US were helping teach people from all different fanbases how to use their phones effectively for Idol. I don’t even see anything wrong with it really.

  • LaurelG

    its just silly and odd that out of the 8 seasons, NOW is the time the Times wants to cover the power of texting. riiiiiiiiiiight. This has been going on since season 5, if i can recall. Thus why now? And why the Times? You always have to consider your source.

    It’s not odd. AT&T just released a statement that this year more than 178 million text votes were received from voters. That’s more than double the amount (around 78 mil.) from just last year, so I’m sure the difference between season 5 and today is huge. Moreover, out of the 624 million votes cast this season, 178 million of them were text votes, representing almost 30%. Again, people keep forgetting that technological advances move at lightening speed. Things change and backwards comparisons are not really relevant. The AI voting system is ridiculously antiquated.

    Would these same Adam fans be upset about unfair voting if the shoe was on the other foot and the AT&T people were out at organized Adam parties while Kris got nothing? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m guessing the outrage on part of these same fans would be pretty non existant if Adam had won.

    And I’m guessing the Kris fans would be feeling a similar sense of outrage and making a lot of the same arguments that are being made now.

  • downeast

    Is there a full moon or something? Bizarre. (meaning the media attention to this, not referring to any posts)

    Good news! Lindsay’s father has been arrested and Mel’s girlfriend is pregnant!

    Now maybe the world can move on :)

  • http://www.equinoxrpg.com dreamr

    But Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m amazed that there donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem to be any Kris fans out there who even entertain the idea that the system could be improved.

    Well, some of us have been watching the show for years and have already known for years that the voting system is unfair and nothing has been done about it in the past. So why throw a fit now? And if we needed a sign that said the producers didn’t care to fix the voting, we got it in the Judge’s Save. Rather than change the voting method, they simply added a way for the judges to “save” someone who was eliminated too early.

    My not throwing a fit about unfair voting has nothing to do with Kris having won. My overall favorite (Allison) didn’t win and was ousted by guys who, in my opinion, aren’t as talented as she is. So if I really wanted to throw a temper tantrum, I could easily do so. I could also throw a fit because Lisa Leuschner (Season 3) was ousted in the semi’s in favor of Camile and Matt Rogers. Or because my season 5 favorite (Daughtry) was ousted too early. And in fact, when that happened, I did comment on the voting being unfair…but did I personally harrass the media through flooding their e-mail and cause newspapers to write stories about it? No, I didn’t. I posted my disappointment on the forums that I went to that week and then I MOVED ON.

    I’ve known the voting was unfair for years now. I’d much rather vote a few times and go on my merry way on voting nights but I feel a need to vote the entire two hours so that my favorite stands a chance because of the other fans who are powervoting. It’s not a big deal to me. We ALL have the opportunity to powervote.

    Heck, I think it’s unfair that only AT&T subscribers can text vote. I don’t have AT&T, so I’m stuck trying to vote on the landlines. But had Adam won, I would not have thrown a fit. I can say that with complete honesty because I was expecting Adam to win. Not because I wanted him to (I voted for Kris, as did all of my friends), but because he had been built up in the media so much that I figured he had won the season weeks ago. But I voted as much as I could for Kris anyway because it was my last opportunity (as far as the show itself goes) to support him and obviously, I wasn’t the only one who felt that way.

  • Mary

    Poor Adam. Idletard is right. Adam seems to have inherited the worst of the worst of the Idol fantards from years past. They’ve already started stalking his family and ex-boyfriends.

    Votes, shmotes. It’s only a TV show. If you just watched TV, the average viewer wouldn’t be able to tell that Adam was the “loser” anyway.

  • jlc

    Okay, regardless of who won, AI’s voting policies are askewed.

    1. In order to really get in an amount of votes that will matter, you haveto use the text method.
    2. You have to have an AT&T phone in order to vote via the text method.
    3. If that is fair voting practice then I’m not sure what “fair” means anymore.

    4. I have a new conspiracy theory:
    TPTB had a discussion with Adam when they learned the vote results prior to Wednesday night. They told him that he really won, but gave him the opportunity to turn it down and hand it to Kris, which he did because he knew he didn’t need it, he loves Kris & his family and wanted to make them happy, and, he’s just that kinda guy. Everyone wins and they all make millions off of us.

    Yeah, I like that story.

  • http://www.equinoxrpg.com dreamr

    4. I have a new conspiracy theory:
    TPTB had a discussion with Adam when they learned the vote results prior to Wednesday night. They told him that he really won, but gave him the opportunity to turn it down and hand it to Kris, which he did because he knew he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need it, he loves Kris & his family and wanted to make them happy, and, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just that kinda guy. Everyone wins and they all make millions off of us.

    I seriously hope that was meant to be a joke. lol

  • jlc

    I seriously hope that was meant to be a joke. lol

    Maybe. Maybe not. How do any of us know what really goes on behind closed doors at AI?

    ETA: Could be the reason the voting margin has not been released. The only thing I hear being “certified” by the dude handing the card to Ryan is the total number of votes that came in combined.

  • http://www.equinoxrpg.com dreamr

    Maybe. Maybe not. How do any of us know what really goes on behind closed doors at AI?

    So not only did Arkansas alone bring in nearly half the votes and therefore “cheated” to get Kris to win…but now, Adam really won and graciously sacrificed the title to bestow a little happiness to small town Kris.

    edited: knock off the defensiveness

  • jlc

    edited

  • blog4u

    We all know that the Idol show is not really a talent contest. Adam has real talent and he will have his day… and many of them. At least the show got him recognized as that talent. Buy his albums – thats where the real ‘count’ does count!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    It’s not odd. AT&T just released a statement that this year more than 178 million text votes were received from voters.

    NOPE. You need to re-read the AT&T press release:

    AT&T* reported today that more than 178 million text messages crossed its network as fans interacted with the countryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s No. 1 TV show this season à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  the highest total for any season and more than double the 78 million messages AT&T reported last year.

    Text message traffic counted in the tally includes not only text votes but also other ways fans interact with the show via text, such as answering weekly trivia questions, opting in to receive voting number reminders, submitting questions to AT&T-hosted chat sessions with outgoing contestants, and participating in AT&Tà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sweepstakes.

    So, no. There were not 178 million text votes cast in the competition…

  • Justin8602

    I’m die hard Adam fan all the way. That being said, I will openly admit that for me, the loss was devastating and I sincerely doubt I will ever watch another Season of Idol. I know that Kris won, and he deserved it as much as Adam did. The media needs to stop with this conspiracy theory crap. Kris won, that’s fine. He’s a nice guy and I think he truly needed this win in order to have his career take off. Adam did not need this win, I think that of the 2 Adam will have a longer more successful career regardless of the AI title. For me Adam could burp into a microphone and I’d love it (just like the Kris fans feel that way about Kris) I’m biased towards Adam and don’t mean any disrespect to Kris. It’s just how I feel. The media needs to let it go and let Kris enjoy the victory.
    I’m right there with all the people who can’t believe Adam lost, but internalize it a little more, rant a little on how devastated you are on a blog and be done with it. No need to drag major media sources to fan the flames, or demand recounts or whatever. They are both American Idols, the only difference is that one of them gets to be called the “Official” American Idol. Adam & Kris have accepted the results, we need to do that too.

  • revcat

    This is like the hanging chads in Florida in 2000, nothing will come of the Idol voting controversy. Its just a distraction for bored Idol fans like myself who are going through Idol withdrawal. At least the White House isn’t in the balance! That being said, I think the voting system stinks and if you believe anything either Fox or AT&T says you still believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. They are both big greedy corporations reaping millions of dollars off of the show.

    Both Adam and Kris are stand up guys, looking forward to their careers. I hope both do awesomely well. But I will never waste my time voting for Idol again, why bother if you just have a landline? Not that it matters, but I was for Adam.

  • DLPF

    that the New York Times is even addressing this non-issue is more indicative of their general desperation to appear relevant these days, since they’re heading down the tubes along with numerous other newspapers.

  • revcat

    I can’t believe I read every single comment, I must be insane! I can’t say it wasn’t a complete waste of time though, I learned a new word “douchenozzle” – WOW! That is one cool word, I seriously love it! BTW I’m an “older” Adam fan, but if anybody ever refers to me as a “cougar” OR a “Lambert” I’ll smack ‘em up the side of the head. And while I’m at it, I’ll call them a douchenozzle. Now I almost hope it happens cuz it sounds like fun!

  • kavalier13

    Great job, MJ! You called it both ways. This IS a non-story. And it got taken to the mainstream media, with all the hard-hitting journalistic words like “appear,” “might,” “could,” “should” and “possibly. I applaud your honesty and integrity here!

  • kavalier13

    Also, if you look at that coverage map, approximately 1/3 of the state of Arkansas isn’t included in AT&T’s range. That leads me to believe the statements such as, “everyone in Arkansas is on AT&T” must also be exaggerated!

  • AdamFanOO

    I think we should take Adam’s lead as example. Like politics, this will never end if both side doesn’t back down. I actually agree with one( kansasgirl?). Seemed like she’s only one that suggested improvement.
    I think I’m just going to watch any Adam video as much as I can. I was never a fan of anything, but just a person who like to read comments and laugh at funny ones. I didn’t start to vote until Season 8 because I want Adam to win. I was upset that Adam didn’t win, still am. I’m working this out on my own. I am just sad but not angry at Kris’s fans and I don’t like to talk negatively about Kris.
    I loved Adam’s music. I actually like to listen to his other music (there isn’t much) before the American Idol on Youtube. Can’t wait to see what he come up with.
    This is just my two cents: I don’t think the ones who had their mind set on “Kamikaze mode” will listen to reasons. Maybe both Adam & Kris should come out together in a news conference and speak out together and direct the issue and tell the fans to cool it. Let everyone know that they do feel their love but don’t want it this way. I don’t know, just a thought.

  • Jae

    Despite whatever happened in Ark with ATT, I don’t think it really affected the voting outcome. I think Kris likely had the greater number of votes either way. Too many people out there, when it came right down to it, weren’t ready for the American Idol to be Adam Lambert and made sure that Kris had enough votes to win. Kris is really a good choice for the title. He is clean cut, innocuous, talented, a nice guy. Adam trumps him in natural giftedness but America really doesn’t appreciate the gifted and the stand outs anyway. Make them a little alternative and flamboyant, well, you KNOW they are not going to appreciate them. Adam is blessed to finish #2. Let’s Kris have #1 and the bragging rights and all that represents with our whole hearts. Adam doesn’t need that at all. And Kris, you don’t need to send any condolences to Adam’s fan. We know he doesn’t need a trophy. You keep that on your mantle, all nice and shiny.:) Adam will make do with a Grammy or two. :D (this is in reference to a KA radio interview about letting Adam borrow the title, puhLEASE)

  • Sheena

    The statement about Taylor and Elliott text voting sounds odd to me. I voted on many sites during season 5 and witnessed alot behind the scenes.. It was Katherine McPhee’s tech savvy crowd who would come in and shoot one million votes in on a fox poll or radio website poll within one hours time wiping out our weeks of work competing in a poll . I was behind the scenes daily voting on various websites and saw the numbers and percentages change so fast it was truly unbelievable but very real.

    I read about the planning of extreme technical voting on a very popular website which is now defunct where we could view the videos of the previous show of each of the contestants.
    On that site I read about the tech savvy middle aged men who had a chat room who worked on getting Katherine McPhee to the top with massive voting. I won’t print the name of who knew this information who ran this website but he was very privy to what went on and shared it on his website and had a link to the room listed where the planning of advanced voting for Katherine McPhee was taking place.
    I saw the extreme voting with my own eyes and was disheartened when over one million votes were some how caste in one hour on polls wiping out weeks of votes from many other fans. I can only imagine what they did to get Kat McPhee second to Taylor Hicks and beating out Elliott Yamin by a small margin.

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