Naima Adedapo And Thia Megia – Reporters Conference Call

Live blogging today’s reporter’s conference call with Naima Adedapo and Thia Megia

After the Jump!

Thia Megia is first

  • Thia recalls getting up on a coffee table at 5 to sing for her family. She realized her passion for singing then.
  • Thia did not know what to expect Thursday night. She was feeling a mixture of emotions. She prepared herself for whatever happened–there are so many talented singers. She’s so happy for Paul and everyone. She can’t wait to go on tour. “Such wicked flattery” – all the people who voted for her.
  • Three – four hours of school a day–she feels she didn’t get enough rehearsal time. But at the same time, school was an escape from the stress.  She loved bonding with the other minors.
  • She enjoyed every bit of the competition. That’s what made it hard to say goodbye.  She’s looking forward to seeing her fellow contestants in a few weeks. She’s grown a lot as an artist, singer and person throughout the competition.
  • She realizes that more females watch the show, and that they probably vote for the guys. But, the guys are also incredibly talented, but the girls did worry about that a little.
  • She’s done many Anthems at big supporting events. She gets nervous for every performance beforehand. But goes into “show mode” wants she starts to perform. When the music starts playing she’s no longer nervous.
  • Adele and Jason Mraz are her musical inspirations–their lyrics are beautiful and complex.  Billie Holiday and other old artists.
  • She wishes she had performed more upbeat songs. But she does NOT regret “Daniel”, which she dedicated to her big brother. She poured all her emotion into that song. She hopes America knows she’s capable of more.
  • Thia is very excited for the future.

Naima Adedapo

  • About the boys getting more votes than the girls, Naima says that the reality is more than 50 percent of the audience is teenage girls. Once they have a crush, “we’re done.”  She just accepted that when the “teenyboppers” fell in love, that was it.  Her fans are a little bit older, and maybe not as technology savvy. She’s meet people who would say things like,  “I voted for you 3 times!”
  • What did she say to Lauren after the show. “She cried it out a little bit. It’s alright to do that. I’ve been a mother figure to her, but Thia was her ace. They were really really close. It’s like losing a big friend. ” It was hard for her to say goodbye to Jacob. You get attached. It hurts to see people go.
  • She’s going to miss SHOPPING. Performing is everything, but she loved the styling.  It was her release time. Co-creating things with the stylist was so much fun. She really knew her style.
  • Naima was part of many dance troupes. She did hip-hop and African dance.”Dancing has always been a part of my life.”  She got a BFA in dance.  She coulda tacked on a little ballet, but it would have been a little weird.  She always planned to incorporate dance into her Idol performances. “You have to dance you have to move you have to be physically engaged to connect to the audience.”
  • Fourth generation entertainer – Chicago is a beautiful city rich with culture. Her mom was a story teller. “I was always around artists.”  Chicago is full of entertainers.  It was the early shaping of her artistry.
  • She wanted to show every piece of her. She wanted to go “roots reggaie” because it’s a big part of her. She’s about staying true to herself. “I have no regrets about anything I’ve done on the show.”
  • Sometimes people didn’t know where to place her. “Maybe they didn’t understand me sometimes.”   “I don’t know about you, but I like you…I struck people in a different kind of way. Because it was hard to place me in a category, that did have an affect on how people voted, perceived me.”

  • LMI

    ugh I’m so upset that Thia got voted out without showing America who she really is, it’s really disappointing. In the recent weeks she gave off the impression to America that she’s just a boring ballad singer but she’s not that at all. I’m disappointed in her song choices and I think she also got pretty unlucky with the themes.

    During her audition and Hollywood Week she was a MUCH different singer then what she’s shown since top 13…especially with regards to artistry and musicality.
    Watch her Chasing Pavements audition and her hollywood week performances and she looks so much more natural and polished, and is actually performing with great soul and emotion.

    Even stuff she did before Idol is much better than what she did since the Top 13. Her voice sounds INCREDIBLE with certain songs and it just really works, unfortunately she wasn’t able to show what she could really do these past weeks. She plays guitar, plays piano, and does really great covers of a variety of songs (bob marley, radiohead, jason mraz, the script, adele, etc)….I just wish she could have shown america that b/c the perception they have of her is that she’s just a technical boring singer. Even the ballads she choice for Idol were poor picks b/c she has a much bigger voice that what she’s shown, and could have gone a lot bigger with songs…

    ugh I just wish she stuck around til next week cause she probably would have done this on guitar..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G14WrX7-nh0

    (the last song of the medley).

    here’s her doing Yael Naim – New Soul on piano when she was like 12 or 13 maybe…

    http://www.flixya.com/video/1342270/New-SoulThia-Megia

    ugh the texture of her voice sounds so beautiful with this song…shame she couldn’t do something like this on the show. This really saddens me because as she said, she really is capable of more..A LOT more.

  • Valentin432

    The girls seem to be very conscious how the voting works against them.

    Hope the three remaining won’t be discouraged by that.

  • LoveDaRocker

    AI and shows like it are tough on minors. Some minors simply can’t draw from personal experiences to internalize songs and make them believable, which I think is Thia’s problem. Some who can actually sell them are dismissed as too young to be selling them, which I think happened to Allison, and to some extent to Archie.
    If I was under 18 in one of these shows I would make an extra effort to sing songs that I can sell AND are age appropriate.

  • alison8701

    ” About the boys getting more votes than the girls, Naima says that the reality is more than 50 percent of the audience is teenage girls. Once they have a crush, “we’re done.” She just accepted that when the “teenyboppers” fell in love, that was it. Her fans are a little bit older, and maybe not as technology savvy. She’s meet people who would say things like, “I voted for you 3 times!””

    A little snotty. A little true.

  • Niall

    Naima gets it. Not snotty at all, just very aware and realistic. It’s not just teenage girls though, it’s the older women too. The demographics have shifted since Jordin’s win. The overall viewing demographics might be diverse but I think the voting audience looks for something very specific. A season or two later and we would have seen Chris Richardson crowned the American Idol instead of Jordin.

  • songsungblue

    I don’t blame Naima for believing this, as it has become the popular thought process – but there’s evidence it isn’t actually true. The AI audience is pretty diverse.

    Naima does come off a little arrogant, no question. However, I guess performers DO have to be arrogant. My husband worked in the industry and has uh, interesting stories. Heh. I guess you could also call her honest and make it stick ;)

  • sr4mjc

    Gonna miss Naima and her style.

  • just sayin

    While I agree that the AI audience is diverse, I do not believe that the people who take the time and energy to vote are. My husband watches the show with me and our daughters each week. When it’s over he gets up and goes back to whatever he’s doing. The girls and I are the only ones who have ever voted. I doubt too many men vote: young, middle-aged, or old. Maybe some young ones…..

    I’m really going to miss Naima.

  • LMI

    Some minors simply can’t draw from personal experiences to internalize songs and make them believable, which I think is Thia’s problem.

    that may be part of it, but I think her main problem was the song choices…and it also seemed like she lost her way a bit when Top 13 hit. Leading up to the Top 24 she was looking like arguably the most seasoned competitor. She had been performing live all her life, performed on stages with the likes of David Foster, performed for millions on America’s Got Talent.

    And Pre Top 13 she looked like a natural who was savvy and mature beyond her years….by many accounts as well. Michael Orland stated how she’s so beyond her years musically that it’s insane…her instincts and the way she picks up on things with music. I even remember the spoiler on JP’s for Top 24 where the writer was saying how she looked like a pro and so sure of herself at all times while all the other contestants looked nervous.

    Unfortunately, the opposite kinda happened later in the competition which surprised me b/c I didn’t expect that from her. I also actually think working w/ the producers hurt her…I think she would have been able to put together much better performances and had much better arrangements suited for her if she kept working with Michael Orland and the female coach (forget her name Debra I think).

    And it showed as well…Her Top 24 performance was easily her best and had the best arrangement….then you look at smile when the producers jump in and Ron Fair creates a horrendous arrangement for such a classic song. Like as a producer…when you hear Thia sing the 2nd half of the song how do you NOT fix that and let it slide like that? Ron’s a legend but c’mon that’s just horrible production and direction on his part.

  • HermeticallySealed

    I think Naima suffered more from inconsistent performances and caring more about dancing and being hip than actually, you know, singing. Perhaps she should have stuck to her promise to the judges about paying more attention to being in tune than bouncing around.

  • Cari

    While I do think more than half the audience is female, I doubt more than half are teenagers, and most of the teenagers probably don’t vote as much as some of the older viewers.

    Also, I expect the remaining females to all make it to at least Top 6, unless Haley really messes up something awful. Stefano, Paul and Jacob (maybe Casey) will probably be the next three gone (in some order).

  • sma11ie

    Naima was part of many dance troupes. She did hip-hop and African dance.”Dancing has always been a part of my life.” She got a BFA in dance. She coulda tacked on a little ballet, but it would have been a little weird. She always planned to incorporate dance into her Idol performances. “You have to dance you have to move you have to be physically engaged to connect to the audience.”

    I liked that about her. Too bad the performances didn’t always work, particularly vocally, and now we won’t be seeing more of what she could’ve come up with. Shame.

  • Niall

    Naima’s style might not have fit on American Idol but I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s able to carve a little niche for herself post-idol, where being entertaining and creative can trump going sharp or flat on occasion.

  • Trina

    Who are all the guys teens are crushing on and falling in love with? Scotty sure but who else? Stefano is very cute but considering he had to be Wild Carded into the Top 13 and hit the bottom one I don’t know if he really has flocks of powervoting tweens.

  • chili1000

    I wasn’t surprised that Thia got voted off but I was sad to see her go. I prefer her to at least half of the guys. I love the tone of her voice and I thought that “Daniel’ was beautiful and heart-felt. Not boring at all. She will land on her feet and have a long career in the industry.

  • jrain

    Thia had enough time to correct the problems but didn’t or couldn’t. it’s easy to blame the producers or voters but she simply is not ready for prime time.

    I don’t know what this means for her future but she may have taken her shot at stardom too soon.

  • Joyed

    I really adored both of these girls in different ways.

    Naima was so charismatic and fun a true performer. I always wanted to know what she would do on the stage. I think her voice on the show never lived up to her energy, but I can see her doing well in her niche post idol.

    Thia was such a lovely tone, and is so pretty. I am mad at all her handlers for giving her such bad peagant bot mannerisms to obscure her talent. I hope she is able to break those habits, because she has the potential to really be someone great once she learns how to project more immediacy and intimacy into her vocal choices.

    As far as the boys vs. girls thing – I do not doubt the boys get tons more fan mail, etc. than the girls. However, in terms of the votes this season, it is not as lopsided as people are saying.

    Just because he was saved does not diminish the fact Casey was voted out by America. And just because they weren’t sent home, doesn’t mean that Paul and Stefano weren’t voted into the bottom 3.

    My hope is that Lauren or Pia start making great song and vocal choices and beat Scotty who is probably running away with the vote right now.

    Either way, I am so happy these two got onto the tour. I love knowing that they are making some money enjoying what they love:)

  • Valentin432

    Just because he was saved does not diminish the fact Casey was voted out by America. And just because they weren’t sent home, doesn’t mean that Paul and Stefano weren’t voted into the bottom 3.

    4 girls elminated vs 1 guy

    9 girls in the B3 vs 3 guys.

    Not sure how this is not loopsided.

  • alison8701

    I do think it’s a little snotty because she didn’t acknowledge her own shortcomings. yes there is the cute-boy factor, but there is also the fact that she showed an inability to stay on pitch and sing well. I mean maybe the questions didn’t allow for that kind of introspection, but it’s too easy to say “the voters voted for boys” and “they didn’t get me.” That may in part be true… but you also had very bad performances. And it did look stupid that you danced then sang poorly.

  • flyaway

    Naima has a BFA? Hmm. I know the job market is tough but not sure college grads have to clean toilets to get by.

  • alison8701

    It just bothers me because I feel like it’s kind of unfair to Paul for them to say that. I know Casey already feels guilty, but I’m sure Paul recognizes that his vocals aren’t really up to par… but then to be told he’s only there because girls find him handsome, and that it’s not got anything to do with singing, really.. i don’t know.

    In one of those Behind-the-scenes at Idol stories, they said Pia was seen shaking her head when Paul was declared safe.

    Don’t take it out on the contestants, OK? It’s the voters. Like Ryan says every time someone boos when someone is in the bottom “It’s your fault! You did it!”

  • sma11ie

    My hope is that Lauren or Pia start making great song and vocal choices and beat Scotty who is probably running away with the vote right now.

    Joyed, I agreed with everything you said. Didn’t feel like quoting the whole comment, but basically, yes!

    Naima has a BFA? Hmm. I know the job market is tough but not sure college grads have to clean toilets to get by.

    What’s the job market for dancers like? I have no idea. She has two young kids. Maybe cleaning toilets made for a steadier paycheck?

  • Joyed

    Not sure how this is not loopsided.

    Well, it’s not that it isn’t lopsided, it’s just not that lopsided. I can’t think of anyone that got voted out who shouldn’t have. The real issue is if someone who was a contender gets voted out. I really don’t think that has happened for any of the girls voted out up til now.

    Also, if we had looked at your stats last week for eliminated contestants, it would have been 2 girls to 1 guy. Which is about as equal as it can be with 3 people.

    I also take into consideration some voting factors outside gender, like the fact that 2 of the 4 girls sent home were Wild Cards, so America wasn’t originally voting for them that hard in the first place.

    Look, I’m not saying it’s equal but I really don’t agree that some crazy shift has happened so that a girl or non-white can never win the show again. I mean, if Scotty wins, we’ll have our first Latino winner! ;)

  • Mtlfan

    I liked Naima style a lot and would have rooted for her had she sung better.
    I don’t believe the demographics have changed that much since the start of AI

  • LMI

    I’m definitely not blaming the voters, b/c most aren’t watching from the very beginning and their perception of her as an artist came from the live rounds, and in the live rounds she gave the impression that she was a pageanty type singer, which she’s not but America doesn’t know that cause they haven’t followed her as closely as me and others.

    Producers are in part to blame, she is in part to blame, and whoever is giving her direction is in part to blame. If I’m Iovine and Jim Jonsin this week I’m telling her no we can’t do this song if you want to stay in the competition. She has a HUGE voice and can do big songs and sounds really great doing runs but they wouldn’t know that cause they didn’t encounter her until the Top 13. Someone like Michael Orland knows what her capabilities are and would have been able to assist her 5x more than Iovine who just says “bring what this songs means to you in the world today” for half the contestants. And I know Daniel isn’t the most exciting Elton song, but c’mon they could have came up with a better arrangement than that.

    But I’m not saying it isn’t her fault as well…as I said, bad song choices for the most part mixed with bad luck and timing. Colors of the wind was actually the best choice for her birth year week but then that left her with no choice to go with an uptempo song the next week and the obvious choice was heatwave, which doesn’t suit her well. Why not bring out your guitar for Elton week Thia? Even though that’s not surprising cause she does covers with her guitar a lot it would have been a very pleasant surprise to America cause of what their perception of her was.

    And this is where I was disappointed and unpleasantly surprised a bit with her, b/c like you alluded to… she had enough time to correct her problems, and I had 100% confidence in her that she would b/c I knew her capabilities… but she didn’t…and now as you said, her shot may have been taken too soon, the age reduction really wasn’t the blessing in disguise it originally seemed to be.

    Any who, here’s her EW exit Q&A interview today…I’m glad she acknowledges basically everything I’ve been saying.

    From the EW Interview “In the future I see me as being my own artist…and definitely not a ballad singer (laughs). I love to be young and fresh and funky…I just want that chance to actually show America that I’m not just that, I’m me I’m Thia and I’ve got a whole bunch of sides musically”

  • ParticleHustler

    I’m going on 40, have been watching the show since halfway through season 2, and I’ve known maybe 2-3 people who have voted for AI ever. I voted once – when Bo Bice did that Badlands song, and it was more of a vote for the song choice than his performance. My wife has never voted. My mom became a Glambert and voted for him, and I knew another older lady at work who would vote. I’m sure there’s another person or two I know who has voted, but that’s all I can remember. Voters are almost exclusively women and young kids (including some guys, but I don’t think many).

  • IdolThoughts

    Great interviews. Both of them seemed very poised and articulate.
    I’m going to miss Naima. I really enjoyed the fact that she was there to show and give of herself and not really for sake of the competition. It was always refreshing and risky and FUN without being gimmicky. I truly believe she is authentic and that no matter what…her days of sweeping stadium floors are over. Best to her!

  • claudette

    Wonderful interviews. Naimi is very interesting, and I hope there is a place for her. I hope, that with the exposure to so many producers, that some of them might be motivated to step up and help some of them. She definitely was “authentic” and true to herself.

    I think they’ve GOT to limit voting as in other talent shows. If Ryan says you have say…10 votes to vote for people, I think the audience will feel their vote matters.

  • jpfan

    Since S7, only one girl made it to the final 2. Only 3 females made it to the Top 4 over that same period. It’s been been very weighed towards males for a while now. Which is ironic because females dominate the Pop charts. And Idol’s biggest successes are women!

    I think Idol is following the AGT talent pattern: four white guys in a row.I think the problem is made worse by a)erosion in the black audience and b)fewer viewers in their 20s. It really is mostly middle aged women and tween girls who do the bulk of the voting.

  • Niall

    It just bothers me because I feel like it’s kind of unfair to Paul for them to say that. I know Casey already feels guilty, but I’m sure Paul recognizes that his vocals aren’t really up to par… but then to be told he’s only there because girls find him handsome, and that it’s not got anything to do with singing, really.. i don’t know.

    Who cares if it makes them feel bad (though I doubt it really does). Paul and Casey are big boys and it seems pretty obvious that the entire group is well aware of the voting patterns and what is happening. Naima was never going to win the competition but it is odd that she’s held accountable for singing “off pitch” while Paul whisper sings and is told he’s fantastic.

    Naima, like Crystal last year, speaks her mind. She was asked a question and answered it honestly. There is evidence that backs up her assertion that women on this show are at a bit of a disadvantage with the voting audience. It’s not whiny, or arrogant or sour grapes. It’s just reality. Sometimes it appears the women on AI who speak frankly or without sugar coating are labeled arrogant by the same people who will fawn over a male contestant known for their honesty. Shrug.

  • claudette

    3 to 4 hours of schoolwork EVERY DAY has got to add extra pressure to the minors because they not only have less time to rehearse, but less time to sit there and listen to music to have more time to make better choices.

    I think, for Thia, it was just so overwhelming. Mistaken for boredom, I’m guessing it was just so fast and so much and more like a deer in the headlights. Plus, people want to compare them to the seasoned older ones instead of looking at them and judging them as true teens and what their potential might be. (I know, it’s a contest, but I really feel for those minors and the harsh criticisms without giving them any breaks at all)

    I’m oddly drawn to Lauren and I think she has the most beautiful tone to her voice. But, honestly, I’m afraid she’s going to lose it soon on stage. Scotty is a rock, and I’m sure this is fast growing up experience but I couldn’t have handled it when I was 16. Adam Lambert said he couldn’t have done what he did even when he was 21.

  • Elek

    Amongst the female finalists, I only like Thia, Lauren and Naima so I really felt unhappy when the two were eliminated. However, I was not so surprised because when I reviewed DialIdol final figures, the three were actually candidates for the Bottom 3.

    Contestants in this kind of reality show should not show any of their weaknesses as it will be noted as negative by the voters. But I cannot blame Thia when she cried during one performance night as she is still young to handle the stress in the competition. I wished she had the guts of Naima and if she did, I don’t think people would even talk about Pia.

    Obviously the boys are the ones getting the big chunks of the votes and considering the pattern of eviction from Top 13, women of colours were the first victims — Ashthon Jones (Black African), Karen Rodriguez (Puerto Rican), Naima Adedapo (White African) and Thia Megia (Filipina). Hmmm… kind of fishy, aye?!

    If that pattern continues, I won’t be surprised if the next evictees are Pia Toscano (Italian), Jacob Lusk (Black African) and Stefano Langone (Italian).

    Anyway, I wish Naima a good career after the tour. And to Thia, maybe she could consider joining X Factor later when she is more mature and confident. Good luck!

  • LoveDaRocker

    I think they’ve GOT to limit voting as in other talent shows. If Ryan says you have say…10 votes to vote for people, I think the audience will feel their vote matters.

    It wont happen. They like to say “a gazillion votes came in last night…” to imply popularity.
    I am sure they know how many actual voters they get, and is probably a comparatively low number. If I had to guess I would say that, on average, less than one million people actually vote.

  • songsungblue

    How to Give an AI Exit Interview in Four Steps:

    1. Assure everyone that it’s all ‘just beginning': [“You won’t see the last of me!” “I have lots of meetings!” “I’m too driven to quit!”]

    2. Come up with perfectly valid reason for being sent home that has nothing to being off key: [“America don’t like jazz” “It’s all about the boys / girls this year” “Producers suggested I pic a song everyone / no one knows”]

    3. Praise everyone, including God, who totally voted for you: [“This has been an incredible journey!” “I’m so grateful to my fans and to Jesus!”]

    4. Focus on the tour, if you’re on the tour: [“I’m just looking forward to showing America what I can do so that ultimately I can take my place as a footnote in the AI history books!”]

  • LoveDaRocker

    Another milestone for Adam! Link

  • standtotheright

    Assure everyone that it’s all ‘just beginning’:

    Well, there are even odds that this is true to some degree; when one tallies up the working songwriters, Broadway performers, cabaret singers, TV hosts, entertainment reporters, et al who have used the show to launch a career, it’s not unreasonable to say that some level of creative success is possible for the very driven lower-placed contestants.

    My feeling is that while Adedapo had some shortcomings, they are mostly fixable with more time with a good vocal coach. None of her interpretations completely bypassed the meaning of the song, in my view, (which is not something one can say for many of her competitors), so I think she has a better chance than some of connecting to like-minded people and making a proper career out of her run.

    I hope so, anyway. She’s still the only contestant in AI history to have her original songwriting (even if only a bridge) included in one of the official iTunes tracks.

  • standtotheright

    If I had to guess I would say that, on average, less than one million people actually vote.

    This would mean that the average voter is doing so 60 times, and I find that implausible. Sure power-voters skew the average, but even if 20,000 people voted 400 times each, that would still only account for 8 million votes from 55 million. I think it is more likely that you have a lot of people who think that voting 10 times! in one night! is a big deal and some who have never considered voting more than once for a contestant.

    Yes, the vast majority of viewers don’t vote but I think it’s more than 1/20th of the audience who picks up the phone at least once a night.

  • Allison

    A season or two later and we would have seen Chris Richardson crowned the American Idol instead of Jordin.

    That’s a horrible thought. “Nasally” Idol.

  • jpfan

    No one is going to say, my career is going nowhere and I was kicked off because I’m not that good.

    The whole show is about hyping mostly mediocre talent. So they’re just keeping the Idol tradition alive. ;)

  • gangreen29

    I just think that the insistence that idol isn’t casting the right type of female does imply there is a level of sexism involved. All types of guys get votes on the show, but only certain types of women are appropriate? It just all goes back to the pressure society puts on females to be the “right” type of woman.

  • alison8701

    Who cares if it makes them feel bad (though I doubt it really does)

    I care. I CARE!

    but seriously. I just find it annoying is all. Like in the backstage video Jacob was like “I don’t want the cute guy to win. Or the sexy guy.” Paul is the only one who could be considered sexy of the group.

    It’s just unnecessary. It’d be like Paul saying “I don’t want the caterwauling ne’er staying on pitch guy to win.” I mean, not exactly, but it’s clear who he was referring to.

  • LoveDaRocker

    This would mean that the average voter is doing so 60 times, and I find that implausible. Sure power-voters skew the average, but even if 20,000 people voted 400 times each, that would still only account for 8 million votes from 55 million.

    I said on average, and the 55 million tally was a record, but I agree it might be a bit more.
    Also, I am not up with calling technology, but one computer can easily be set up to call thousands of times within that two hour period without any assistance.

  • Elliegrll

    Naima has no self awareness. Yes, there are a lot of female voters who will not vote for female contestants, but that is not the reason why she is gone. She never showed the audience who she is as an artist, and that on top of only having one performance that was good vocally, was her downfall.

    AI voters want people to show their diversity, but still be consistent with who they are. One week, Naima was a cabaret singer, the next Jill Scott, and then a hip-hop singer. Being a different person every week is not how someone builds a loyal base.

    Naima also suffers under the belief that just because something is different that means it is good. When Simon use to utter the term “self indulgent” it never fit, but it fits Naima well. There’s a way to incorporate the styles that she likes into songs, but it has to work. There was no reason for some of the stuff that she did, like the dancing two weeks ago, except that she just wanted to do it. She needs to learn how to fit things together, so that they make sense musically, plus work with her strengths without highlighting her weaknesses as a singer.

  • darksiam

    Thia recalls getting up on a coffee table at 5 to sing for her family. She realized her passion for singing then.

    Now might be a good time for Thia to get back to her musical roots. She’ll could really develop and connect to her fanbase if she would focus on the more intimate and Thia-appropriate venues as mentioned in the example above. Best of luck.

  • Marie Ruffin

    Who’s #10 and who’s #11? When they tour who goes first?

  • alison8701

    Naima also suffers under the belief that just because something is different that means it is good.

    I agree. I think a lot of people do buy into that hype too, but the different stuff she’s done hasn’t been good. But it’s all “I took a risk!” “I’m so different!”

  • Marie Ruffin

    Hell! if Naima has a BFA in Dance why isn’t she auditioning for SYTYCD….Hey Nigel, get that girl in the contest!

  • sma11ie

    Like in the backstage video Jacob was like “I don’t want the cute guy to win. Or the sexy guy.” Paul is the only one who could be considered sexy of the group.

    I missed this. Link?

  • Marie Ruffin
  • standtotheright

    She never showed the audience who she is as an artist

    Eh, other than McCreery and maybe Alaina I think people had a much better idea of what to expect from her on a record (reggae-inflected pop with occasional forays into soul) than a lot of the others. Nobody expects Toscano to keep singing ballads, or Langone to do that loungey thing he’s been doing, and the only reason anyone would predict what McDonald might sound like after being all over the place is because they’ve listened to his album already.

    I just don’t think a lot of them wanted to buy it unless she had better breath control as part of the package, and probably not even then, out of a lack of interest in the genre in general.

    Also, I am not up with calling technology, but one computer can easily be set up to call thousands of times within that two hour period without any assistance.

    The producers have said in the past that they eliminate obvious robo-calling like that from the results.

  • Caffiend

    Naima said she was going to do reggae next week too. I think for people like Naima, making the tour is winning. They aren’t quite good enough to win the whole thing, but with the tour they have a great experience and make several hundred thousand bucks. I think Naima figured, hey, I made the tour, might as well just put myself out there and do what I want.

  • Landmd

    Like in the backstage video Jacob was like “I don’t want the cute guy to win. Or the sexy guy.” Paul is the only one who could be considered sexy of the group.

    I missed this. Link?

    ROFL I like Paul, cute not really, sexy not at all, he is ok. The cutie is Stefano!

  • alison8701

    sma11ie, here is the interview i was referring to, where jacob said he didn’t want the “sexy guy” to win.

    http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/04/01/american-idol-who-would-contestants-root-for-video-facebook/

    you have to “like” EW on facebook to see it though. So you can just go to EW’s fb page then like it, then go to Fans only…

    it’s interesting because people say their friends, mostly. Casey and Haley say each other, James said Paul and Stefano, Paul and Lauren both said each other, and so on. Naimi said Jacob too, I think.

  • alison8701

    ROFL I like Paul, cute not really, sexy not at all, he is ok. The cutie is Stefano!

    Maybe you’re right. I always forget about him. But maybe just because Paul is my favorite I’m sensitive to any perceived dig at him.

    Because Jacob said the sexy thing, and Naima has sort of mirrored that complaint in a way, and they were the closest. I imagine some late night catty whispering between those two.

  • Marie Ruffin

    OMG – Rickey.org is reporting that Naima was a stripper. You go girl! No wonder she could make those moves!

  • Kirsten

    Also, I am not up with calling technology, but one computer can easily be set up to call thousands of times within that two hour period without any assistance.

    What I find interesting is that dialidol is just such technology. Set it up and it could dial all night (if your computer has a modem). So, each dial idol voter should be getting in those mythical thousands of calls. Correct?

    But it doesn’t seem that is so. Or it is at least not how people use it. Take a look at the GeoPredictions chart. That tells you exactly how many votes people got in each state.

    Here are the numbers for this week in Oregon:
    Scotty: 46 Votes (5 Busy)
    Thia: 48 votes (4 Busy)
    Stefano: 50 votes (2 Busy)
    Jacob: 50 Votes (3 Busy)
    James: 50 Votes (3 Busy)
    Pia: 51 Votes (2 Busy)

    If I had to guess, I would say that is one person who chose to vote for all those people and got in 300 votes. Interesting sub-set of people, too? Isn’t it.

    Let’s look at the state of Maine:
    James: 308
    Paul: 210

    Possibly two people voting? If only one, it is still just over 500 votes.

    Iowa (IA)
    Haley: 131
    Naima: 160

    Again, if one person did that voting, it is only 291.

    Looking at the smaller states with fewer Dial Idol voters is interesting because it probably reveals the voting patterns of one or two people. In larger states, the data gets muddied by multiple voters with multiple voting patterns.

    Suffice to say, I think an argument can be made that the number of people voting thousands of times is relatively small. Look at the people letting the computers vote for them and they don’t appear to be racking up thousands of votes. Sure, they are voting a lot more than Ma and Pa with their “3 Votes!”, but it does indicate that the pool of voters is larger than some suspect.

    On another subject, Nigel must be revving up the bus to take out a guy this week. They can’t lose another girl and they can’t lose Jacob. I think they hoped that Stefano would go this last week (“Hey, we had him sing a drippy ballad in 5th position and he almost went out. Let’s follow the same pattern this week! And make sure that cellar-dweller Haley goes last so we don’t lose two girls!”). Will they decide he is a cockroach and aim for another guy or will they just run-over Stefano and back-up?

    Scotty seems to have a rock solid fan base. James is getting a theme week in his wheelhouse so he’ll be tough to oust. Paul visited the seal last week so his fans will be exercising their dialing fingers all week. They have had a two week “VOTE FOR CASEY” campaign going on so they can’t switch gears that quickly. And Jacob can’t leave this week without causing general outrage. So, Stefano probably be making sure he knows where his luggage is.

    On exit interviews: I think it pays to be gracious at this point.

  • Elliegrll

    Because Jacob said the sexy thing, and Naima has sort of mirrored that complaint in a way, and they were the closest. I imagine some late night catty whispering between those two.

    How do you know that they were the closest? Karen said that she and Jacob were BFFs, and he seemed to echo that. I’m also in the boat that doesn’t think the word sexy describes Paul, but I do think that he and some of the other guys have gotten away with vocal issues that no female contestant ever could.

  • Elliegrll

    it’s interesting because people say their friends, mostly. Casey and Haley say each other, James said Paul and Stefano, Paul and Lauren both said each other, and so on. Naimi said Jacob too, I think.

    Nope. The first person that Naima calls out is Casey, she lavishes praise on him. And then she says that she has to mention Jacob too.

    Jacob’s comment didn’t sound catty to me, nor did I think he was directing it to any of the contestants.

  • Hazehel

    What I find interesting is that dialidol is just such technology. Set it up and it could dial all night (if your computer has a modem). So, each dial idol voter should be getting in those mythical thousands of calls. Correct?But it doesn’t seem that is so.

    DialIdol doesn’t make more calls than a person would when dialling normally. It simply takes away the tedium of dialling if you want to vote multiple times, at least that is what it was intended to be by the person who created the software.

    The casting of thousands of votes by a single voter happens in the texting. You can text ten votes at a time. Text votes have gone up considerably, although we don’t know what percentage it was last season because they didn’t release the figure after Season 8 vote controversy, but it was a huge jump from Season 7 to Season 8 – it’s something like more than doubled from 12-13% to 28% of all votes, and it’s all due to power texting.

  • Kirsten

    The casting of thousands of votes by a single voter happens in the texting.

    I know, but the person specifically mentioned using your computer to call. DialIdol seems to indicate that even people who set up their computer to call don’t make thousands of calls.

    The stats released for S8 showed that back then (the year that text voting supposedly “stole” the victory), text calls were dwarfed by phone calls. I’m sure texting is catching up every year, but I prefer to live in a world were there only a few truly BSC fans who would text 20,000 messages. It’s like bulk buying campaigns. In isolation, they never produce the results the noise they generate would seem to indicate leading me to believe that the bulk buyers are few. Yes, there are a few that will buy special phones, learn how to send bulk texts and vote their fingers off for two straight hours, but there were 55 million votes cast last week. The crazy are dwarfed by the sane-ish.

    But, on a completely different note, if somebody is batshit crazy enough to vote 20,000 times, they probably are a mega-devoted fan who will buy 10 copies of the CD, pester the DJs and attend 23 tour dates. The guy that votes once because they liked what so-and-so sang this week probably won’t buy a thing. voting until your fingers bleed is a stronger sign of interest. I’m sure the 20,000 voters are a constant thorn in their sides, but I’m sure the Idol PTB are interested in those contestants that can get people to vote more than once.

    Finallly, should AI ever decide to limit votes, I’m sure that the BSC and manipulative minded will find ways around it. Don’t believe me? DWTS: Palin, Bristol. Charging for votes won’t work at getting rid of the manipulators either. UKXF-Jedward/Wagner. Neither method prevents WGWG from winning.

    Disclaimer: I have never voted for an American Idol contestant, but I have purchased some of their music.

  • Elliegrll

    The stats released for S8 showed that back then (the year that text voting supposedly “stole” the victory), text calls were dwarfed by phone calls. I’m sure texting is catching up every year, but I prefer to live in a world were there only a few truly BSC fans who would text 20,000 messages.

    Nigel, who would actually know these stats, said that it has taken US voters longer to adapt to text voting than people in the UK. The majority of the votes are still people dialing in, because people don’t seem to trust that their text and online votes are being counted.

  • Hazehel

    The stats released for S8 showed that back then (the year that text voting supposedly “stole” the victory), text calls were dwarfed by phone calls. I’m sure texting is catching up every year, but I prefer to live in a world were there only a few truly BSC fans who would text 20,000 messages. It’s like bulk buying campaigns. In isolation, they never produce the results the noise they generate would seem to indicate leading me to believe that the bulk buyers are few. Yes, there are a few that will buy special phones, learn how to send bulk texts and vote their fingers off for two straight hours, but there were 55 million votes cast last week. The crazy are dwarfed by the sane-ish.

    The thing is that I have doubts that the crazies are being dwarfed by the sane. The number of text votes jumped from 78 million in Season 7 to 178 million in Season 8, that’s 100 million extra votes in just one season when you get power texting. We can assume that most of the increase was due to the crazies power-texting. Let’s say each week there were 5-10 million extra votes due to power texting, and each of the power texters managed to get 5-10,000 votes in each week, that huge number of votes came only from 500-2000 voters. A relatively smallish number of fans can distort the votes, and I’d bet there are more power texters this year, and a big percentage of the 55 million votes could very well have come from the texters. I do think power texting has been damaging to the competition, and they should really ban or limit it.

  • Kirsten

    The number of text votes jumped from 78 million in Season 7 to 178 million in Season 8, that’s 100 million extra votes in just one season when you get power texting.

    I don’t think that 100M gain was just from power texting. North Americans have been slow to adapt to texting period. When I was in Japan in the late 90s, everybody was mesmerized by their phones rapidly texting away while in NA, hardly anybody had heard of it. Then it picked up in Europe. In the last three or four years, it has really started to hit it off big in North America (still not as big as it was in Japan over 10 years ago, though). So, I would argue that the 100M gain is not just from power texting, but also from texting taking hold in North America.

    And that’s 100M votes spread across 14 weeks of voting (3 wildcard rounds and 11 final rounds). That’s closer to 7M per week. And even amongst people who send 10 votes at a time, I don’t think there are that many that do it 1000 times. Surely they have to stop to go to the bathroom, squee with their friends, and check DialIdol 73 times. Do people go out and buy 50 copies of a CD? Yes. Does that mean that if an Idol sells 200K it was only to 4K of customers? No. Can people vote 10,000 times? Yes. Does it mean that there were only 5.5K voters? No. I think the cray-cray get dwarfed in both cases.

    And changing the voting policies will, at best, just mean that Ryan won’t get to announce big numbers. I think it would skew voting patterns even more because the cray-cray will find ways of circumventing the rules while the normal person who might vote 20 times will be stopped. Charging for votes after it has been free all this time would result in almost complete BSC domination because only they will be willing to pay.

  • Hazehel

    I don’t think that 100M gain was just from power texting.

    There is in fact very few other possible explanations. These are the total number of texts to AI year by year –

    Season 1 – no text voting
    Season 2 – 7.5 Million
    Season 3 – 13.4 million
    Season 4 – 41.5 million
    Season 5 – 64.5 million
    Season 6 – can’t find number
    Season 7 – 78 million
    Season 8 – 178 million

    Note that prior to Season 8, the big jump is from Season 3 to Season 4, and the rate of increase had been slowing down from Season 4 onwards. There is simply no reason to assume that there would be a big increase in the number of texters from Season 7 to Season 8. The great bulk of the increase in the text votes has to come from the crazies power-texting like mad.

    The point about the calculation is just to estimate the number of crazies, you can use different number if you like, it wouldn’t change the fact that they have disproportionate influence.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    There is simply no reason to assume that there would be a big increase in the number of texters from Season 7 to Season 8.

    Late 2008/early 2009 is the time that many U.S. cell providers reduced their prices for texting (basically from “OMG, it’s costing me an arm and a leg to send 200 texts a month” to “cheap unlimited texting”), which should have made using text messages much more appealing to the ordinarily phone user.

  • Kirsten

    There is simply no reason to assume that there would be a big increase in the number of texters from Season 7 to Season 8. The great bulk of the increase in the text votes has to come from the crazies power-texting like mad.

    While I think that there is no reason to assume that the big increase is the result of power texters. Texting is exploding in North America.

    Here are some stats (US Wireless Quick Facts)
    Monthly Texts per Customers
    Dec 1995: NA
    Dec 2000: 14.4M
    Dec 2005: 9.8B
    Dec 2010: 187.7B

    Here is some more showing the growth in the last few use (2006-2008 Texting stats – Avg Texts per month):
    Qtr 1, 2006 65
    Qtr 2, 2006 79
    Qtr 3, 2006 85
    Qtr 4, 2006 108
    Qtr 1, 2007 129
    Qtr 2, 2007 172
    Qtr 3, 2007 193
    Qtr 4, 2007 218
    Qtr 1, 2008 288
    Qtr 2, 2008 357

    Look how the stats are almost doubling year to year. Texting caught on in the US during the time the show has been on the air and the general public has begun embracing voting via texting. It is becoming a way of life here.

  • IdolThoughts

    I know that racial bias seems to be an ongoing topic of debate because of the “women of color” all going out one by one. I have to tell you…as someone of half Asian decent….that’s kind of the way life is. All through school and adulthood I always knew that my selection pool of guys was smaller than the blond haired white girls. That’s just life. The pool is smaller, but not nonexistent. And (gasp) some people might find themselves falling in love with you even though they THOUGHT they liked a different type of girl. (I’m going somewhere with this analogy…hang on)
    There are a lot of minority actors and artists. Is there still a long way to go? Absolutely! But shows like American Idol give minority artists a platform that they might not even get otherwise. The public will get used to seeing them and their palates will expand to be more than accepting…to actually gaining a taste for their cultures and musical styles. It’s a process and although it’s healthy to see where we need to improve…it’s also good to see how far we’ve come and what the reality of the situation is. America is a melting pot, bit minorities are still minorities. Things will get better, not worse.

  • Hazehel

    Look how the stats are almost doubling year to year.

    But it would not prove the idea that the increase in number from Season 7 to Season 8 could be due to the increase of users, since there is no direct correspondence between the general increase of texts with the increase in the number of text to AI. In fact it does show a dissociation between the general increase in texts and text voting (meaning your data has little relevance to text voting). Your data just mean that those who use text do it more often, and has little to do with the number of users, or text voting.

    Late 2008/early 2009 is the time that many U.S. cell providers reduced their prices for texting

    Would be interesting to see the statistics for 2008-2010.

  • Kirsten

    Would be interesting to see the statistics for 2008-2010.

    I’ve found an article in the New York Times detailing the increase from June of 2008 to June of 2009.

    In June of 2008: 75B Messages
    In June of 2009: 135B Messages
    80% increase.

    “No single factor perfectly explains the steep growth in texting. It has little to do with technology, since the number of phones capable of texting grew only 7.3 percent from June to June. But “bucket plans,” whose users buy a deep, cheap “bucket” of text messages rather than paying a per-message fee, have certainly encouraged texting. ”

    Texting got cheaper and more high profile in 2008 in North America.

  • darksiam

    Late 2008/early 2009 is the time that many U.S. cell providers reduced their prices for texting

    This.

  • primeminister

    For those who are curious, here’s who each contestant said they will be rooting for if they got voted out (in the exclusive EW video):

    Casey would root for Haley
    Haley would root for Casey
    Naima would root for Casey or Jacob
    Jacob would root for someone who is pure of heart, not someone who’s sexy.
    James would root for Paul…..or Stefano. They’re his best buds
    Paul would root for Lauren
    Thia would root for Lauren
    Lauren would root for Paul.
    Stefano would root for Pia.
    Pia and Scotty copped out.

  • CRB

    I like Naima, stripping as a college student really isn’t something that means a whit to me, and would have liked her to hang around a few more weeks. Thia was boring as hell but this cast is really, really good and Thia just played it too safe. I’m guessing ballads are her money and she didn’t want to stray to far from them.

  • Kirsten

    Pia and Scotty copped out.

    Wise of them.

  • LMI

    CRB says:
    04/01/2011 at 10:33 pm
    Thia was boring as hell but this cast is really, really good and Thia just played it too safe. I’m guessing ballads are her money and she didn’t want to stray to far from them.

    I wouldn’t exactly say they’re her money, but she can do them really well and she said she thought they would show off her vocals more..which on 1 hand they do, but OTOH we didn’t get to hear her more jazzy, unique side that she showed us leading up to the Top 24….which IMO she does better than ballads.

    She knows she came off as a ballad singer and regrets it and wishes she could have shown america what she could really do…she also said that the songs she wanted to do didn’t fit in during the weeks (WHAT HAPPENED TO BROAD THEMES HUH NIGEL?!)…here’s what she said in the e-online interview.

    “The previous weeks where I did ballads, I do regret not choosing more upbeat songs because I don’t want to come off as just a ballad singer, which I probably did,” she said. “Through the weeks, songs that I wanted to do didn’t fit in. I just hope America knows I can do so much more because previous auditions I’ve done were more upbeat and on the contemporary side. “

    and

    “I feel this is my chance to show America that I don’t just sing ballads and I can do so much more because I love to sing any kind of song from any kind of genre. During the tour we’ll be able to sing songs that we haven’t been able to on the show.”

    sigh…if only Nigel didn’t change the 80’s theme, which is a much better freakin theme, she could have blown everyone away with I Am Changing which she does incredibly and re-surged in this competition…thanks a lot Nigel! No but seriously…bad song choices + themes not going her way did her in.

  • Hazehel

    In June of 2008: 75B Messages
    In June of 2009: 135B Messages
    80% increase.

    Taking together with the data from previous years, that means that nothing special had happened in terms of growth of texting between 2008 to 2009 – they were nearly doubling every year before that, in fact in 2009 the rate of increase had dropped.

    From what we can see in the number of text votes between Q1 2006 to Q1 of 2008, number of texts quadrupled, yet the number of texts to AI increased only by 20%. Since the rate of increase of texting has actually dropped in 2009 from your data, it is therefore likely that from 2008 to 2009 the text voting only increased by ~10%, meaning we’d expect 90-95 million votes if no power texting is involved. Yet we get 178 million texts, that means 85-90 million votes is likely to have come from power texting.

    The interesting thing is that AT&T used text voting to sell texting, the early adopters of texting were American Idol voters, – there are many articles about that –

    http://www.allbusiness.com/media-telecommunications/5795343-1.html
    http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2008/05/22/american-idol-sets-text-messaging-record-for-tv-show/

    It would explain why when the number of texts were doubling every year outside of AI, it didn’t happen in the text votes for AI. It’s because the AI text-voters were the early adopters of texting, they were already voting multiple times with texts before the rest of US took an interest in texting.

    I think it’s unarguable that the crazies do influence the votes disproportionately.

  • Kirsten

    I think it’s unarguable that the crazies do influence the votes disproportionately.

    I disagree for the same reason I disagree about bulk buyers resulting in 200K in sales.

    I believe that the bulk of the extra votes are coming from people adapting to using text messaging. While some AI voters may have been early adapters, I simply think that more and more AI voters have switched to text voting after frustration with busy numbers, discovering the ease of texting and due to texting plans.

    North Americans really don’t like paying for voting or calling, so paying to text would have kept a LOT of people from voting via text in the past. Once it became free as part of the “bucket” plans, the option became a lot more palatable.

    Why would the widespread introduction of texting plans (i.e. free text voting) throughout 2008 not have had an impact on AI voting patterns?

    Can power voting save contestants on the bubble in the early rounds? Probably. The number of votes separating them is quite small, but that just causes minor adjustments in what order they depart. Can power voting win the competition? Not unless there is a razor-thin victory such as in S2. Victories lately have been pretty decisive.

    And even if power voters are the problem, I haven’t seen any suggestions (limiting votes or charging for votes) that won’t make the situation worse. Such rule changes will just discourage the average voter. The power voter will adapt and adapt quickly.

  • Hazehel

    I disagree for the same reason I disagree about bulk buyers resulting in 200K in sales.

    The thing is that it isn’t resulting in 200K votes, it’s resulting in up to 90 million extra votes by my calculation. So far there isn’t really a rational explanation for all those extra votes beside power texting, the numbers you gave doesn’t show anything extraordinary had happened, although we probably need better numbers for all the year by year increase to see properly the trend.

    As I’ve shown, it’s quite easy for a relatively small number of voters to cast an extraordinary number of votes. Power texting has amplify the influence of the crazies. It’s not like they are spending a huge sum of money. If they have unlimited texting, it’ll be just about them spending a couple of hours doing something repetitive, and the crazies won’t mind doing that.