Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Up Until Midnight 11/08/09

Anticipating the Questions:

Adam’s “Time for Miracle’s” has not been listed for adds and got 3 spins last week (HAC:2, Pop:1)

Adam’s “For Your Entertainment” went for adds last week and received 273 spins last week (HAC:127, Pop:140, Active: 1, Rhythmic: 5)

Allison’s “Friday, I’ll Be Over You” went for adds two weeks ago. It received 72 spins last week (HAC:3, Pop:69)).

Kris’s “Live Like We’re Dying” went for adds four weeks ago and received 2088 spins (HAC:917, Pop:1171).

Jason’s “Let’s Just Fall in Love Again” is being re-sent for adds this week. It had 258 spins last week (AC: 1, HAC:5, Pop:251, Rhy:1)).

Daughtry’s ‘Life After You’  goes for adds this week and had 296 spins last eek (HAC:88, Pop: 208) last week.

Phil’s “With All My Heart” goes for adds this week and hae 10 spins on CAC last week.

Some songs never go for adds. Radio stations don’t have to wait for add dates to start spinning songs. Not every song is intended for radio.

Next week, I won’t pull out the spins for LLWD (I’ve decided to list songs for 4 weeks after their adds) or TfM (which doesn’t look like it’s going for adds).

Here’s the Mediabase chart listing on Pop for FYE:
LW Tw
138 72 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 133 23 110 0.645

That means it’s #72 on the Pop chart and was 138 last week.

(oh and yay, S5)

Kirsten, is there an error in Kris’ update? You show two HAC chart positions. I think the second one should be for pop?

Yeay Carrie! Congrats!

Kirsten, is there an error in Kris’ update? You show two HAC chart positions. I think the second one should be for pop?

Oops! Fixed.

Great job, Carrie, and S5 idols.

(oh and yay, S5)

Who account for six out of the 13 folks charting up there! As long as you can keep making your music, you’re a success, for my money, and it’s great to see so many from that uber-talented, very determined group continuing to do it.

Being the one-in-a-million megastar is nice (and congrats to Carrie!), but earning a decent living by performing what you love steadily is where it’s really at for most musicians. The best thing about AI is that it’s helping quite a few talented people do that.

Season 5 is the gold standard for seasons, imho.

Also for all of his so called failures, almost every year since his season Ruben has not failed to chart in UAC, sometimes multiple times, just like this year. So good going Ruben, longevity, and consistency. His present cd is his best. Plug, plug, listening to it now. Might I suggest a Ruben-Melinda mini tour. I could get behind that…..just wanna get him away from that Foster guy, lol.

jpfan
11/09/2009 at 8:30 am
Here’s the Mediabase chart listing on Pop for FYE:
LW Tw
138 72 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 133 23 110 0.645

That means it’s #72 on the Pop chart and was 138 last week.

So I’m confused – does this mean he *is* charting, and should be listed in the S8 number in the original post, or are the charting numbers in the list only considering top 50 any format (i.e. Bucky Covington)?

Here’s the Mediabase chart listing on Pop for FYE:
LW Tw
138 72 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 133 23 110 0.645

That means it’s #72 on the Pop chart and was 138 last week.

This is good! The song is moving up. I’m happy with this since the song is only a little over a week old and Adam is a brand new artist!

S5 is definitely the standard. lol They are the ones to beat! It was a great season though.

Might I suggest a Ruben-Melinda mini tour. I could get behind that’ ¦..just wanna get him away from that Foster guy, lol.

That is a tour I would definitely attend.

Also for all of his so called failures, almost every year since his season Ruben has not failed to chart in UAC, sometimes multiple times, just like this year. So good going Ruben, longevity, and consistency. His present cd is his best. Plug, plug, listening to it now. Might I suggest a Ruben-Melinda mini tour. I could get behind that’ ¦..just wanna get him away from that Foster guy, lol.

I agree. His new cd is excellent. … I’d opt for a Ruben/Elliott/Melinda tour as an even better idea, of course, lol …

And, wow, wouldn’t that be some amazing singing. They could blow the roof off any joint you care to name — and I think in part that they don’t get their due recognition because they all make it look so danged easy. They’re Carnegie Hall quality singers, in my opinion. Too bad the world isn’t that fond of singing any more, apparently. I’ve always thought that Ruben has been underestimated in part because his gorgeous gorgeous singing and lovely, subtle interpretations appear completely effortless.

So I’m confused ‘“ does this mean he *is* charting, and should be listed in the S8 number in the original post, or are the charting numbers in the list only considering top 50 any format (i.e. Bucky Covington)?

We don’t have regular access to songs outside of the top 50 on all the charts. I use AllAccess to generate the list. For consistency, that’s what I report. If people get leaks from other charts, they can post them here.

We used to have access to the full charts (down to the last spin) and I would report all of them then.

FYE will chart in the Top 50 soon enough.

Wow – go season 5!

Ruben/Elliott/Melinda tour

That would be worth seeing but I would trade out Melinda for Jennifer Hudson.

Ok – thanks for the clarification, Kirsten!

CONGRATULATIONS to Kris!!

Thanks for posting these, Kirsten.

Here are the Carrie album tracks also charting on Mediabase country’s published panel this morning:

84 70 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Temporary Home 45 15 30 0.263
85 71 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Mama’s Song 37 14 23 0.246
79 80 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Undo It 31 18 13 0.177
88 83 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Play On 32 14 18 0.189
90 88 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Songs Like This 22 13 9 0.168
82 89 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Quitter 25 19 6 0.125
93 93 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Look At Me 20 12 8 0.117
89 95 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Someday When I Stop Loving You 18 14 4 0.134
86 96 CARRIE UNDERWOOD This Time 16 14 2 0.109
95 99 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Unapologize 17 11 6 0.102

Wow. Generally, when an album gets released, you get a station or two spinning the entire thing. That’s impressive the number of spins that Carrie got for the albums on her track. Carrie has definitely become a Country staple.

In general, it’s impossible to get numbers for songs that chart under 50.
You have to pay $ for that info. Once in a while, someone leaks the numbers but that’s a rare event.

Crossing my fingers that FYE and FIBOU catch on this week…come on radio stations! lol

Because recurrency is not included in the above “Who is still charting this year from all the seasons” the list is misleading. JMO

Do we know how many spins Allison got? I know she was on kiss LA Friday or Saturday, she tweeted that she thought she soiled herself when she heard it, LOL.

Yay for Kris! And Adam totally seem to be moving in the right direction with FYE. Worried about Allison – her song is out longer than Adam’s but he’s getting more spins and she just doesn’t seem to be doing that well.

I love season 5 and I would so go to see Rueben and Melinda! I would also pay good money to see Taylor and Fantasia tear some place up. I’m so proud of all the charting idols – even Kat. There. I said it.

Crossing my fingers that FYE and FIBOU catch on this week’ ¦come on radio stations! lol

But where is the radio promo for these? I still feel it’s weird that RCA (and Jive for that matter) have still made next to no push to radio for FYE and FIBOU, especially in comparison to everything Kris had done after LLWD was released.

Kirsten, I keep coming back to something I think you mentioned the other day – that Adam has been readily embraced by a lot of the media (magazines, online, even a little tv and movies), but not so much when it comes to radio. This seems like a weird move on RCA’s part considering that he is, oh, I don’t know, trying to sell music.

I think it would be awesome to have a Ruben Studdard/Melinda Doolittle concert and, oh yes, add in Eliott Yamin! Incredibly talented true soulful singers.

Having viewed some recent youtubes for Giddeon McKinney, I’ll add him to the mix. That boy has definitely matured from the kid he was when we saw him on AI.

It is very impressive to see how these freshman artists are building longevity and a career despite the onus of coming into the spotlight on a reality show.

Kirsten

Do you think LLWD will chart on CAC? Didn’t Jive send the song for adds there recenly?

Congratulations Carrie!! I was worried after the shenanigans her label played slowing Cowboy Casanova down to get her labelmate and friend Brad to #1 first. But all’s well that ends well. Maybe CC could’ve been a multiweek #1 and instead it’ll only get a week but it hit #1 in 9 weeks and I’ll take what I can get. CC is my fave lead single from Carrie and I’m happy it’s done so well!

I’m also happy Temporary Home’s at the top of the album tracks getting spins. I hope either TH or Someday When I Stop Loving You is the next single although I wouldn’t mind What Can I Say being the next single either.

Season 5 having that many charting Idols is really cool to see. As far as commercial depth I don’t think there’ll be any topping that season.

Being the one-in-a-million megastar is nice (and congrats to Carrie!), but earning a decent living by performing what you love steadily is where it’s really at for most musicians. The best thing about AI is that it’s helping quite a few talented people do that.

Well said!

Nice to see so many of them doing well for themselves. Yay Idols!

LLWD has to be really close to charting on CAC. One Christian station in Portland added it very early on, and they spun it 38 times last week. The #50 spot on AllAccess is only 47 spins.

Season 5 having that many charting Idols is really cool to see. As far as commercial depth I don’t think there’ll be any topping that season.

I think that Season 8 could have this potential if Danny does well and some of the others like Matt, Anoop or Megan get something together in addition to the 3 that alrady have singles out

Pop airplay for Life After You:

—- 65 DAUGHTRY Life After You 156 0 156 0.459

Maybe CC could’ve been a multiweek #1 and instead it’ll only get a week but it hit #1 in 9 weeks

10 weeks actually Cowboy Casanova’s chart run on Billboard goes 26-18-11-11-8-6-5-5-3-1.

CC is her fastest-rising single, beating “Jesus, Take the Wheel” which reached #1 in 12 weeks (and stayed at #1 for 6 weeks).

If you get a chance, try to catch the S5 Hollywood episode of Idol Rewind. It’s probably on the TV Guide Network sometime this week.

It condenses the whole thing into one hour with lots of new footage.
Including songs by Daughtry, Taylor, Elliott that I don’t think were ever shown. Daughtry doing a cheesy version of Emotion is hilarious. Even if your never saw that season, the Hwood episode really shows everything that was unique about it. Lots of big personalities.

I have never been so happy to be wrong! When I heard the Script’s version of this song on you-tube I hated that Kris was releasing it as his first single. Now he has his first top 40 hit! Go Kris! Also, I have been subjecting myself to a lot of top 40 radio lately in hopes of hearing Kris’s song and I really think that FYE fits right in and will do great for Adam as well. I hope that all of our talented kids (Allison,too) do well. And Kradison concert! Yippee!! I know I will not be going but I expect all who do to bring back epic videos!

So I’m confused ‘“ does this mean he *is* charting, and should be listed in the S8 number in the original post, or are the charting numbers in the list only considering top 50 any format (i.e. Bucky Covington)?

We don’t have regular access to songs outside of the top 50 on all the charts. I use AllAccess to generate the list. For consistency, that’s what I report. If people get leaks from other charts, they can post them here.

We used to have access to the full charts (down to the last spin) and I would report all of them then.

FYE will chart in the Top 50 soon enough

So for clarifcation, the list you have posted at the top of the page is for songs that have charted in the top 50? Adam has charted but didn’t make the top 50. Rather he sits at at #78 on a pop chart. So probably for clarification in the above post it it should read chart positions for the top 50?

It seems that Kris and Adam are right on track and Allison..is not? Why not the love from Jive?!

ETA: Yeah, I’ve been listening to CHR this weekend, and I hate CHR (much prefer HAC, like Mix). But I want to hear FYE and maybe LLWD (better chance on HAC, me thinks). I keep missing them both. Maybe this week, with more adds?

Because recurrency is not included in the above ‘Who is still charting this year from all the seasons’  the list is misleading. JMO

I don’t think it’s misleading. Those are the ones charting. Recurrency rules apply to everybody. If I tried to claim that those were the only ones getting spins on the radio, that would be misleading. I even added a caveat that the album release cycle is different. Obviously, most of S7 is in the midst of working on their second albums while maby S5 people have new albums out (or will be out soon). I won’t do this every week.

Kirsten, I keep coming back to something I think you mentioned the other day ‘“ that Adam has been readily embraced by a lot of the media (magazines, online, even a little tv and movies), but not so much when it comes to radio. This seems like a weird move on RCA’s part considering that he is, oh, I don’t know, trying to sell music.

I’m not seeing radio as rejecting Adam. It’s just that all summer the print and television media have been gaga about Adam, but the radio stations seem to be treating him like any other Idol (i.e. largely ignoring him until he has something new and then giving him a chance). It was just a difference in hype between the different media that I noticed and that doesn’t always happen (Daughtry had some great responses from radio over the summer…look at me, I’m going to be accused of being a Daughtry fan soon…that was one of the reasons I thought he would have a good run with his first album). It’s not to say that Adam is doomed. Not in the slightest. Just to say that the label has to push the song and the song has to be good (just like most other artists out there).

Yay for Phil with a bullet and another song out!:-D. He is impressing people on the Michael W. Smith tour. I am waiting to see what song he will release next as an official single. He and his team are working on a music video for “Old Glory.” He had recently posted a request to fans for pictures of the flag on his official site.

Just a radio update – on my morning commute today, Scott and Todd played FYE on WPLJ around 8 AM. I opened my sunroof (it’s unseasonably warm today in NY) and blasted it! All I could think was, woah, a WHOLE LOT of peeps on the Long Island Expressway might be listening to this RIGHT NOW! Well…on their own radios, I mean. Not out of my sunroof.

So for clarifcation, the list you have posted at the top of the page is for songs that have charted in the top 50? Adam has charted but didn’t make the top 50. Rather he sits at at #78 on a pop chart. So probably for clarification in the above post it it should read chart positions for the top 50?

LOL. I recently stopped putting that clarification at the top because I’ve recently started writing blurbage summarizing the chart and it was getting too noisy. Plus, it was kind of just an expression of annoyance that Mediabase had stopped giving us access to the full charts and it was time to stop complaining.

I guess the previous caveat is why the Kris, Kelly, Daughtry, Jordin, etc, fans didn’t crab at me when I didn’t post their sub-50 numbers. I thought people just ignored that notice, but I guess it was important. I’ll add it back again.

It’s not to say that Adam is doomed. Not in the slightest. Just to say that the label has to push the song and the song has to be good (just like most other artists out there).

Wake up radio – the song IS good.

IMO Season 5 is the best Idol season EVER. The talent pool in that one is just unparalleled up to now.

Undercooked, Adam is #72 on the pop chart, not #78.

Nvm, Kirsten just responded to undercooked. Thanks Kirsten!

It’s not to say that Adam is doomed. Not in the slightest. Just to say that the label has to push the song and the song has to be good (just like most other artists out there).

Ok, so do you think RCA needs to up its game with the radio PR? I’m not sure how much good any of it does in the end, but does it make more sense now for Adam to at least be doing some radio interviews, etc. since other than the AMA’s, and with the album officially done, he doesn’t have nearly as much on his plate right now?

Wake up radio ‘“ the song IS good.

LOL – damn straight And to me it easily fits in with what I typically hear every day on Top 40. If some of the songs currently charting there can get airplay, then certainly FYE deserves it too.

My guess is they probably are pushing to radio as we speak… meaning working the Program Director, the guys/gals who decide what a radio station is going to play. That stuff largely goes on behind the scenes so we don’t always know when its happening. One of the big clues is usually an advertisement on mediabase (industry trade mag). We haven’t seen one for Adam or Allison yet, but that doesn’t mean no pushis going on. Also, setting up radio interviews, contest and the like are part of it but again when don’t know when that is happening until its announced.

There are a lot of factors that go into making a song a hit. Lots of terrific songs never become a hit.

The label has to support the song. It has to fit in with the format. It can’t be too similar to a song that’s currently a hit (which is why RCA waited to release “Already Gone” when it is ten times the song that IDNHU is…sorry, I can’t stop ragging on that song). It can’t get swamped by other songs that are introduced about the same time. It goes on and on.

HDD thinks that RCA has a lot of confidence in Adam, so RCA will do it’s part. Clearly, the song is well reviewed. All FYE needs is a bit of luck thrown in (all songs need that).

It was just a difference in hype between the different media that I noticed and that doesn’t always happen (Daughtry had some great responses from radio over the summer’ ¦look at me, I’m going to be accused of being a Daughtry fan soon’ ¦that was one of the reasons I thought he would have a good run with his first album).

Kirsten, I wasn’t around for S5, so I’m interested in your take on this Daughtry-Adam comparison of summer-hype in relation to subsequent radioplay… from what I’ve learned here, Daughtry, like Adam, got the bulk of the media and industry love post-AI. Lots of big names praising him and wanting to work with him, etc. Did radio embrace Daughtry more readily than they are Adam when his music first came out?

My guess is they probably are pushing to radio as we speak’ ¦ meaning working the Program Director, the guys/gals who decide what a radio station is going to play. That stuff largely goes on behind the scenes so we don’t always know when its happening. One of the big clues is usually an advertisement on mediabase (industry trade mag). We haven’t seen one for Adam or Allison yet, but that doesn’t mean no push is going on. Also, setting up radio interviews, contest and the like are part of it but again when don’t know when that is happening until its announced.

I hope so, b/c FYE is getting some spins here and there, but no adds (well, one) and NO RADIO INTERVIEWS. You can praise Adam all you want, but if isn’t getting radio exposure, he won’t get played, and his single won’t sell. Kris is getting it, and don’t get me started on Allison (who?!).

Daughtry was the chosen one of S5. But once he came in fourth, no one really had huge expectations for his album. He worked with a big producer but did not have huge names working on his album. However, radio always loved Daughtry and even played his Idol music (very rare event). His early success was a big surprise for most people however.

Daughtry also benefited from the intense media hatred of Taylor Hicks. Adam doesn’t really have that because Kris is too low key to incite that kind of reaction.

Lots of big names praising him and wanting to work with him, etc. Did radio embrace Daughtry more readily than they are Adam when his music first came out?

It’s hard to compare. Daughtry started out immediately doing the rounds on radio and the big push to get him spins didn’t happen until December (“It’s Not Over” went for adds the first week of December) while Adam went for adds this week.

Daughtry did get a lot of love from radio during the summer and they would spin anything he did (including covers on other radio stations). I think Daughtry had more radio love, but Adam had more magazine love.

Daughtry’s song was a perfect fit for the radio at that time and he filled a void left by Nickelback (who were largely back in the studio having drinky-poos and writing songs using their big alphabet on the wall). That’s not to take anything away from Daughtry that really did write songs that people wanted to hear.

It’s just a little discontinuity I noticed in how the magazines, newspapers and television were quick to trumpet any Adam news, the radio stations didn’t seem to be paying a whole lot of attention in comparison. Again, it doesn’t mean he’s doomed, but it may explain why they haven’t been as immediately responsive as TV/print would have been.

I don’t get how can someone get the idea just because Adam has had a lot of media attention, that means he’ll automatically blow out of the gate on radio. Never work like that. not with some new artist with the first single. Even with people already had big hits before, noting is guranteed, that’s why there are so many one-hit wonders.

i hear kris’ song over and over again on the radio..i havent heard adam’s one time. i am giving up on the radio and just sticking to my ipod to give me my adam fix.

Daughtry had no print love. That went to Hicks who had the cover of People. But sometimes the hype works against itself. People think why is this guy getting all this PR and he really hasn’t done “anything” yet.

Daughtry did get a lot of love from radio during the summer and they would spin anything he did (including covers on other radio stations).

The spins during the summer is really nothing big. Besides, Daughtry easity fits into Nickleback box which is tested and safe. Lambert has extra risk, because radioes haven’t really embraced any pop male artists (I’m not talking about those heavily Hiphop/R&B influenced ones).

And, wow, wouldn’t that be some amazing singing. They could blow the roof off any joint you care to name ‘” and I think in part that they don’t get their due recognition because they all make it look so danged easy. They’re Carnegie Hall quality singers, in my opinion. Too bad the world isn’t that fond of singing any more, apparently. I’ve always thought that Ruben has been underestimated in part because his gorgeous gorgeous singing and lovely, subtle interpretations appear completely effortless.

Lucy I totally agree!

Wake up radio ‘“ the song IS good.

As Kirsten said, it’s not like stations aren’t going to eventually play the song, they are just treating him the same way that they would treat any new artist. As one dj wrote, the song is new, and right now it’s in the testing stage. Stations are giving it a spin or two in order to gauge listeners opinions. Radio didn’t get the memo that they have to play the song just because it’s by Adam Lambert.

Frankly, I like that stations are treating Kris and Adam like new artists that bodes well in terms of them being taken seriously, which will help them build credible and long careers. As a Kris fan, I don’t want him being treated as just a novelty act or someone from a reality tv show. I want stations to play LLWD because their listeners like it, and because it is becoming a hit.

Daughtry did get a lot of love from radio during the summer and they would spin anything he did (including covers on other radio stations). I think Daughtry had more radio love, but Adam had more magazine love.

Interesting. Radio was spinning Daughtry covers over the summer? That’s love. That didn’t happened with the Davids or Kradam except the occasional one-off stations. Although radio did spin the heck out of Magic Rainbows all summer, and a lot of people thought that was a sign of true love, and good times to come for David Cook. Didn’t happen that way. LO was a slow climb cuz radio’s response to LO was the typical Idol song response- mostly wait and see. I guess it happened that Daughtry’s songs fit the right void at the right time. I don’t know that Adam or Kris’ singles are filling any big voids, but I will say Adam’s in particular sounds like it fits right in.

Daughtry also benefited from the intense media hatred of Taylor Hicks. Adam doesn’t really have that because Kris is too low key to incite that kind of reaction.

I wasn’t paying attention post S5, but I always thought from what I saw this summer that Adam benefited from the intense media opinion that Kris was mediocre didn’t deserve to win. The media didn’t exactly hate Kris, but it was a lot of, whatever, this guy won, but let’s talk about Adam instead in every Kris article… Anyway, I’m not sure what all this means. Radio is fickle and tough. I guess bottom line is, media love may help but doesn’t guarantee radio love.

Did radio embrace Daughtry more readily than they are Adam when his music first came out?

I don’t think you can tell yet. Adam’s song has only been out for a week. Not a lot of new musicians, including Daughtry, hit the top of the list when their first song is just out. After a month or so of watching FYE, it’ll be easier to make a comparison.

Great for the ildols of Season 5!!

I’m overjoyed to see that LLWD is still climbing… yeah!!!!

They added FYE to our top pop station in MOntreal (CKOI). I’m sure it will do well

It’s hard to compare. Daughtry started out immediately doing the rounds on radio and the big push to get him spins didn’t happen until December (‘ It’s Not Over’  went for adds the first week of December) while Adam went for adds this week.

Daughtry’s first single:

Week 1: 3 adds
Week 2: 7 adds
Week 3: 11 adds (album is released)
Week 4: 23 adds

It takes longer than one week, people!

Also, FYE is right in line with the first week spins of LO and LLWD. LLWD had the advantage of two radio stations from Arkansas adding it the first day and spinning it like crazy. In the long run those stations don’t really matter that much. But, they did help with the early numbers.

I think Daughtry had more radio love, but Adam had more magazine love.

Yes, and its really not that surprising. Adam is busy building a visually dazzling persona, the foundation of his projected image. So the appropriate places to sell that image are visual media like magazines, TV shows, etc. My guess is that he prefers to lead with the visual to make way for the music. That is a whole different dynamic from Daughtry, any other Idol, or most top recording artists out there right now. Definitely its the exception among current male musicians. We’ll see how it pans out. Does enough of the public want what Adam is selling? For myself, I love how he breaks down sexual and gender barriers, but I’m not a big fan of his voice and the kind of music he’s putting out. I do, however, love that he’s out there going for it and wish him all the best.

Is it relevant and/or good that on the iTunes Pop Chart Kris Allen’s LLWD is #30 and Adam Lambert’s FYE is #33 (TFM is #55)? I’m clueless . . . does that chart influence what radio stations decide to play?

“10 weeks actually Cowboy Casanova’s chart run on Billboard goes 26-18-11-11-8-6-5-5-3-1. ”

Oops! I should’ve known better than to try to count on a Monday morning. Thanks for the correction.

But I’m going to try my luck again. Isn’t this Carrie’s 10th country #1 not her 11th? I know she’s had 11 overall if you count Inside Your Heaven on the Billboard Hot 100.

HDD thinks that RCA has a lot of confidence in Adam, so RCA will do it’s part. Clearly, the song is well reviewed. All FYE needs is a bit of luck thrown in (all songs need that).

I don’t think FYE needs luck to get radio airplay — it comes down to how much support their is from the record label and if the song is right for the market/genre. And it looks like RCA is behind this song.

HDD [usually a very reliable source] on 11/06/09 reported this: RCA has high hopes for what it sees as the massive potential of the high-profile, flamboyant Lambert; the label will begin working a single next week.

FYE is up to 14 adds [with only 186 of 1211 stations reporting] and got 273 spins past 7 days [ending 11/08/09] and since RCA is going to begin working on the song this week, IMO that is a good start. Think about it, so far, Adam has done 1 radio promo event on Ryan’s show — and nothing else has been done to promote FYE.

The one that I am worried about — and I think may need some luck — is Allison. It doesn’t seem like Jive is doing anything to support her. I just don’t get the strategy.

yay Toronto Top40 added FYE today~~the largest 2 top40 in Canada added FYE There is also an auto add from St. Louis HAC station.

LLWD had the advantage of two radio stations from Arkansas adding it the first day and spinning it like crazy. In the long run those stations don’t really matter that much. But, they did help with the early numbers.

LLWD had more than just these AR stations in it’s corner, IMO. Z100 actually added it before it’s official date for adds (and it wasn’t a forced add due to spins or anything). This didn’t happen for Adam, but I think that is more to do with RCA vs. Jive marketing tactics.

I don’t think we should compare Daughtry to LLWD or FYE because Daughtry was such an easy to fill niche. Similarly, LLWD and FYE seem to fit into different categories. I live in NY, and have said in the past that to me both artists/songs fit in at Z100 but outside that I always felt that Kris/LLWD would fit well on WPLJ and Adam/FYE would do well at KTU (103.5 in NY). I listen to all 3 of these station depending on my mood and a lot of my friends also flip between these 3 stations so it’s not a knock to either of these guys, it’s just the way I see radio.

It takes longer than one week, people!

I agree 100% with this. But just realize that the first 4 weeks of Daughtry adds were all before the official adds date. So radio started playing the song before the “official date” No biggie, but it shows his level of radio support.

yay Toronto Top40 added FYE today~~the largest 2 top40 in Canada added FYE There is also an auto add from St. Louis HAC station.

I’m defecting – Come on Clear Channel add Adam for goodness sake.

I agree 100% with this. But just realize that the first 4 weeks of Daughtry adds were all before the official adds date. So radio started playing the song before the ‘official date’  No biggie, but it shows his level of radio support.

Was that his current album or his debut album?

Was that his current album or his debut album?

Debut album.

Isn’t this Carrie’s 10th country #1 not her 11th? I know she’s had 11 overall if you count Inside Your Heaven on the Billboard Hot 100.

Correct!

CC is Carrie’s 10th country #1 on Mediabase. However, on Billboard, it’s her 8th #1.

FYE got 273 spins past 7 days [ending 11/08/09] and since RCA is going to begin working on the song this week, IMO that is a good start. Think about it, so far, Adam has done 1 radio promo event on Ryan’s show ‘” and nothing else has been done.

ITA. The adds and spins for FYE are better than I expected. Pulse Media boards reported first week spin numbers of Tattoo and Light On to be at 260. They had LLWD at 230.
First week adds for LLWD was at 14 (with the two Arkansas stations). Tattoo was at 4 and Light On had 21.

My guess is that he prefers to lead with the visual to make way for the music. That is a whole different dynamic from Daughtry, any other Idol, or most top recording artists out there right now.

Good point. Adam was always considered top tier when it came to the performing aspect, vs just the “listening” aspect (as in, it’s great to hear Adam just sing, but to get the visuals and performance along with it, that’s what really sells, imo). Hopefully he will get some great touring opportunities next year – because this is where he will really shine.

I agree 100% with this. But just realize that the first 4 weeks of Daughtry adds were all before the official adds date. So radio started playing the song before the ‘official date’  No biggie, but it shows his level of radio support.

But you can’t really compare this to Adam. It sounds like Daughtry’s release was much more like LLWD, in terms of being released several weeks before it went to adds. Adam was not in that situation. No one, it sounds like, knew about FYE until Ryan premiered it, all of 3 days before the Monday add date. So, not really comparable.

All these worrying over radio adds. I wonder how hard it was Kelly Clarkson when she was still starting out? She was the first Idol! At least now there are more Idols who have successful Pop airplay currently and in the past so I think stations are now more open to accept new Idols. I think it was harder for Idols to get radio love a few years back when Kelly was the only proven Idol who can chart at Pop compared to now where you have Kelly, Jordin, Daughtry, etc. Now you have stations adding Idol songs the moment they come out regardless of performance as oppose to before when they wait for the song to maybe crack the Top 40 before they add it.

From Brian at USA today

I would say this is good news for Adam yeaaaa

Adam Lambert’s For Your Entertainment moves to No. 51 in his first full week of airplay (coincidentally, that’s the same chart position at which Like Like We’re Dying debuted, though Adam has the edge on weekly spins). Adam’s currently at No. 55 on the Hot AC chart and No. 71 at Top 40.

I guess it happened that Daughtry’s songs fit the right void at the right time. I don’t know that Adam or Kris’ singles are filling any big voids, but I will say Adam’s in particular sounds like it fits right in.

I don’t know that Daughtry’s sound necessarily filled any void, more to the point it was very similar to a safe alt-rock sound that was already doing well at that time, specifically the Nickleback sound. Not that that was bad – because it was fitting in with what was popular, just as I feel Adam, Kris, and Allison are all doing too – with Adam probably doing the best job of the three (in so much that I think Allison has a harder time trying to find a niche among all the Miley’s and Taylor’s of her age group, plus Kris is going a little more pop rock than the more laid back Fray sound I expected him to go in.)

Anyway, I’m not sure what all this means. Radio is fickle and tough. I guess bottom line is, media love may help but doesn’t guarantee radio love.

Interestingly, Adam does get a lot of radio mentions on my local morning shows, in terms of actually being brought up a lot with the “celebrity scoop” segments that regularly feature the likes of Rhianna, Britney, Kanye, etc. – so I feel if he could just segue that kind of radio gossip love into airplay love (not unlike Britney et al) – all would be well

Adam Lambert’s For Your Entertainment moves to No. 51 in his first full week of airplay (coincidentally, that’s the same chart position at which Like Like We’re Dying debuted, though Adam has the edge on weekly spins). Adam’s currently at No. 55 on the Hot AC chart and No. 71 at Top 40.

Yea! That’s awesome!

I am fully of the opinion that FYE would be doing even better if there was just the right (and more) promo push behind it – especially in that first week of royal mistakes from RCA, itunes, etc. to actually get it out properly. But then that’s just me being a nervous nelly over everything Adam related right now

I don’t know that Daughtry’s sound necessarily filled any void, more to the point it was very similar to a safe alt-rock sound that was already doing well at that time, specifically the Nickleback sound.

Kirsten mentioned that Nickelback was back in the studio/drinking/writing songs using the alphabet stickers on the wall (hehe) when Daughtry came out, so that created a bit of a void that he could slot right in. That’s what I was talking about. I wasn’t paying attention at the time, but maybe it wasn’t a void, and NB was still playing lots and Daughtry just joined right in.

An HAC station in Montreal, market rank #2, added FYE today!! yay go Canada!!!

I have not heard either LLWD or FYE on the Radio yet in San Diego, CA. BUT that is not saying much, listening only in the 1/2 hour to work and home each day is a tiny slice. And on weekend trips out of town.
That said I think Lady GaGa would be considered a success (with 5 hits currently on the charts) but I have NEVER heard her on any radio station or SeriousXM, ever.
I have really tried over the last few weeks especially to listen to TOP 40 and POP station (because of FYE) still I only hear Katy Perry once and while and no Lady GaGa.
I am going to wait each week for the overall numbers and billboard data and not pay too much attention otherwise because if in a huge Market like San Diego I don’t ‘hear’ what is top on the charts I can’t rely on radio.
I’ll wait for the data after the AMA’s and the FYE Album debut. And see SALES numbers in print.
I can hope Adam’s singles do well but I really think he is an Album/Concert/Merchandise Artist first.

Yea! That’s awesome!

I am fully of the opinion that FYE would be doing even better if there was just the right (and more) promo push behind it

I think it is gratifing to know that Adam can chart on his own without major promotion in the beginning but RCA will begin the push remember all the clear channels that haven’t been added yet.

I wonder how hard it was Kelly Clarkson when she was still starting out? She was the first Idol! At least now there are more Idols who have successful Pop airplay currently and in the past so I think stations are now more open to accept new Idols. I think it was harder for Idols to get radio love a few years back when Kelly was the only proven Idol who can chart at Pop compared to now where you have Kelly, Jordin, Daughtry, etc. Now you have stations adding Idol songs the moment they come out regardless of performance as oppose to before when they wait for the song to maybe crack the Top 40 before they add it.

Actually I think Kelly got embraced by radio quite readily after her win. They spun the heck out of her coronation single A Moment Like This, and then Miss Independent also went #1. I would say that she paved the way for future Idols to get airplay, which was an amazing accomplishment, yes, but on the other hand, the earlier Idols didn’t have to deal with the Idol stigma that the current crop faces.

I guess the Season 5 folks had it pretty good compared to now. Coming off the success of Carrie’s win, and a very talented season, the perception was that Idol was working, it was evolving, and it was producing talent of different genres outside of Pop. But I guess after Taylor crashed and burned and became a punchline, Clay’s career and personal life became a punchline, the 4th place Daughtry became a mega-success, an underwhelming Season 6 circus with Sanjaya, etc., falling ratings and an aging show, there seems to now be a perception that Idol’s ability to produce stars is a lot more hit or miss. Idol is still a great platform in that the signed ones get major label support, and some radio stations will not hesitate to spin the new singles, BUT you may have even more radio stations who have biases against Idol and won’t spin an Idol song until it becomes undeniable.

Ryan at KISS just played Adam Yeaaaa. You can keep track of the reported spins on yes.com–it may be starting radio push Ryans show is the mama of all stations

Interestingly, Adam does get a lot of radio mentions on my local morning shows, in terms of actually being brought up a lot with the ‘celebrity scoop’  segments that regularly feature the likes of Rhianna, Britney, Kanye, etc. ‘“ so I feel if he could just segue that kind of radio gossip love into airplay love (not unlike Britney et al) ‘“ all would be well

I don’t think this is the way radio works, if your scenario was true, Lindsey Lohan would have had a lot of number 1 radio hits, and the same would be true for Paris Hilton and Brooke Hogan. BTW, not every market is talking about Adam in the gossip segments or otherwise.

Ryan at KISS just played Adam Yeaaaa. You can keep track of the reported spins on yes.com’“it may be starting radio push Ryans show is the mama of all stations

Of course he did, b/c I’m listening to Kris’s album streaming right now. It seems like the KISS (KIIS) stations are playing FYE at least 1-2x/day, but this is not the case with the Mix stations.

A teensy bit of promotion would be nice, RCA. A couple of interviews with Adam, perhaps?!

That’s what I was talking about. I wasn’t paying attention at the time, but maybe it wasn’t a void, and NB was still playing lots and Daughtry just joined right in.

LOL – well, DC radio (where I listen) is notoriously kind of slow and lame when it comes to any kind of programming, so I think Nickleback was quite big here when Daughtry came out, but then that’s not saying much in the DC area

I don’t think this is the way radio works, if your scenario was true, Lindsey Lohan would have had a lot of number 1 radio hits, and the same would be true for Paris Hilton and Brooke Hogan.

I was not making the point that by being talked about on gossip radio shows that would make you a radio hit. Just that in my market Adam is routinely mentioned along heavyhitters on the radio today, which is nothing bad imo. It means he’s not just a nobody in those circles, which is hopefully a step in the right direction in terms of using that publicity to be “worthy” to be spun as well.

I just took a few real life days…stayed away from the computer and just did “normal” stuff.

If my “days off” proved anything to me it is that Kris, Allison, and Adam are totally “unknown” in these neck of the woods. No radio spins, I heard nothing about any of them on TV, no talk shows, didn’t see any “headlines” at the check-out counter at the grocery store, didn’t go to a movie, didn’t hear them interviewed at my local stations, went to I-tunes to download but Adam wasn’t on the front page so I wouldn’t know if he had a song or not.

Now I come back and read about so much hand wringing and foreshawdowing about impending doom and gloom for Season 8 finalists. And my reaction is wow, just wow. How can you buy a song from someone you don’t even know has a song out there to buy and how can you request a spin when you don’t know a song exists. And how can you hear promo when someone is on the radio in Po-dunk USA and you’re clear across the country.

And I find all this Idol comparison just too funny. It’s like comparing my life at 20 to my life today some 40 years later. Ain’t even close and yet I am still me and an Idol is still an Idol. Things change, times change, society changes, economics change, technology changes. There just isn’t any viable gage to weigh all the issues. But I guess it is the nature of the beast!

Wow, Carrie has some fantastic numbers. That is awesome. Go Carrie.

Tess, you nailed it. RL does put things in perspective!

LLWD had a 27% increase in spins? That’s really impressive. And he’s in the Top 10 for airplay among all Idols now. Last I looked, LLWD was at #67 on the iTunes chart…

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/11/kris-allen-makes-idol-airplay-top-10-carrie-underwood-tops-country-chart/1

OMG THE SEATTLE HAC STATION JUST ADDED LLWD.

My day keeps getting better and better.

“First week adds for LLWD was at 14 (with the two Arkansas stations).”

This is not correct.

I believe LLWD had 53 adds its first official week. This includes many stations that added it before the official add day.
http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?Sngcde=ALLELLWD&ob=1&format=XX

Eileen99

Yay! Now if one of the L.A. stations would just add it…

Girlygirl: IKR? I can’t believe it! There’s still plenty of time today. Kris is up to 3 HAC adds today. Adam has 1 and we’re at about 1/3 reported so far. Hopefully some SoCal stations will add both.

First week adds for LLWD was at 14 (with the two Arkansas stations).’ 

This is not correct.

I believe LLWD had 53 adds its first official week. This includes many stations that added it before the official add day.

The 53 adds are from LLWD’s first 3 weeks. (2 weeks before the official add date and 1 week after) LLWD had 14 adds the first week it was on radio. It was reported here at mjs as well as on Pulse Media. It may have been an “unofficial” add week, but there were still 14 radio stations that added LLWD the first week it was out.

HDD Update:
NOW IN: 36.20%

LW TW artist / album label power index
– 1 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 127,422
PLAY ON
– 3 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC SONY MUSIC 64,519
NOW 32
– 7 GLEE CAST COLUMBIA 20,835
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Okay, so I lost this again for the millionth time (I promise to bookmark it this time!!!), but what is the media guide page for FYE?

Sorry, and thanks!

lol…..season 5 ftw.

gemini: I thought you were comparing adds for both songs on their official add dates. But, you’re comparing Kris’ adds before he went for adds with Adam’s adds when he actually went for adds? Seems like apples & oranges, but it doesn’t really matter in the long run.

gemini: I thought you were comparing adds for both songs on their official add dates. But, you’re comparing Kris’ adds before he went for adds with Adam’s adds when he actually went for adds? Seems like apples & oranges, but it doesn’t really matter in the long run.

IMO – you can’t really compare the two in either circumstance. Adam didn’t follow the same roll out schedule as Kris. From my pov, FYE was released when Ryan first played it (no one had it before), and went to adds just 3 days later. So comparing their first week of official adds is kind of pointless, because Kris already had way more traction in the weeks leading up to it based on the lag between release date and adds date.

The way gemini did it makes more sense, imo, fwiw. Again, Kris had the lead up weeks before the official add date that Adam didn’t have.

Suebrody - you’re like a drug addict – I’m cutting you off Here is the link to the main adds page (you can do various searches from there by song, etc.)

http://addboard.mediabase.com/menu.asp

Very strong first update for Carrie. Thanks, Kirsten.

been busy with yucky stuff from rl- wow, lots of flailing and hand wringing on a few of these threads– tried to read everything and didn’t see this posted:

Adam had 6 adds today!!!! YEAH!!!!!

CJFM-FM Pub 8 Canada-Hot AC Montreal RCA Astral Media 2 11/9/2009 7:23:00 AM
CKFM-FM Pub 7 Canada-Top 40 Toronto RCA Astral Media 1 11/9/2009 5:16:00 AM
CKOI-FM Pub 2 Canada-Top 40 Montreal RCA Corus Entertainment Inc. 2 11/5/2009 11:10:00 AM
KLTG-FM Pub 2 Hot AC Corpus Christi, TX RCA Tejas Broadcasting 137 11/9/2009 11:35:00 AM
KSII-FM Pub 0 Hot AC El Paso RCA Regent Communications, Inc. 76 11/9/2009 12:13:00 PM
* KYKY-FM Pub 14 Hot AC St. Louis RCA CBS Radio 20 11/9/2009 5:19:00 AM

Eileen: I’m just comparing “first weeks” for spins and adds. Really, for those few Adam fans that are freaking out. I’m not trying to say anyone “won” the battle of the first week. (That title would go to Crush or Season 2, anyway. haha)
It just looks as though FYE is on course with the other singles I referenced above. I guess FIBOY is the one I’m worried about at this point. Although, I still have high hopes for it.

Kris has had 5 adds so far today

ALLEN, KRIS
Live Like We’re Dying

KHKZ-FM Pub 0 Hot AC McAllen 19/Jive/JLG Clear Channel Communications 58 11/9/2009 12:04:00 PM
KPLZ-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Seattle 19/Jive/JLG Fisher Broadcasting 13 11/9/2009 10:33:00 AM
KTFM-FM Pub 0 Hot AC San Antonio 19/Jive/JLG Border Media Partners 31 11/9/2009 7:30:00 AM
WJLK-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Monmouth-Ocean 19/Jive/JLG Millennium Radio Group 51 11/9/2009 10:43:00 AM
WSJO-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Atlantic City, NJ 19/Jive/JLG Millennium Radio Group 141 11/9/2009 11:47:00 AM

Allison has no adds today — but she should get some when the Pop station adds are put up on mediabase. Today was Hot AC stations…

Suebrody – you’re like a drug addict ‘“ I’m cutting you off Here is the link to the main adds page (you can do various searches from there by song, etc.)

http://addboard.mediabase.com/menu.asp

Er…sorry. And thanks.

AND 4evrmomof4, YAY FOR SIX ADDS!!! *feeling better now*

ETA: Adam should move to Canada. They seem to really like him there.

What I like about the 5 adds for Kris so far today is that not one of these stations has even given LLWD one spin yet so these are brand new audiences for him. Still another couple of hours to go.

With about 40% of the Adds in, looks to me like FYE will do really well once RCA starts working on it with I gather starts tomorrow.

Regarding the sales stats, there is no way to know for sure, but I think that FYE’s iTunes rank is not a good picture of what is really going on.

!. FYE is also available on AO.com. There is no visability to what is going on with the FYE sales on AO.com — but clearly people are buying it there. Some are getting FYE as a free download with the CE Album. But there are many reports of people just buying FYE.

2. FYE is $1.29 on iTunes and the better quality Amazon MP3 file is only $0.99. [Price was dropped late on 11/07/09.]

So looking at the retail charts, it looks like FYE is actually doing OK — considering it is not being promoted yet. I added LLWD’s current chart positions for a comparison of how Adam’s sales are distributed differently and not all on iTunes.

iTunes US [all songs] – LLWD #67, FYE #76
iTunes Canada [all songs] – LLWD not in top 300, FYE #54
Amazon MP3 US [all MP3 songs] – LLWD #191, FYE #33

what about Adam;(

that’s awesome for Carrie.and Kris,

With about 40% of the Adds in, looks to me like FYE will do really well once RCA starts working on it with I gather starts tomorrow.

Ah, but here’s the 1 million dollar question: Do we KNOW that RCA will start working on it tomorrow? Cause they sure haven’t to date. Adds are really slow in coming, it seems.

thanks Q3!!!!

tht makes me feel better….

http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/adam-lamberts-for-your-entertainment-stalled-on-chart/12594

with the show in Napa and the live stream today, I’m expecting more adds for Kris in California

SueBrody,

That’s the problem with the whole ITUNES glitch and the availability of the single on AO and Amazon days before it was available on ITUNES. It is what it is. I think the numbers will be better than what is reflected on the INTUNES chart, but they won’t be crazy, wow, numbers, but I suspect it will be a decent first week sales.

That’s the problem with the whole ITUNES glitch and the availability of the single on AO and Amazon days before it was available on ITUNES. It is what it is. I think the numbers will be better than what is reflected on the INTUNES chart, but they won’t be crazy, wow, numbers, but I suspect it will be a decent first week sales.

I understand. My issue is that Adam is NOT known by the public at large and shouldn’t be. I am not naive.

HOWEVER, the people at large:

check out iTunes to see what’s new;
listen to new music (let’s say Owl City) and think, hey, let’s download the single

Well…

FYE isn’t getting much airplay
iTunes totally f**ke up (aka the glitch) the roll-out of FYE

So…those who say, how can you expect Adam to just wow the non-Idol bubble, I could not agree more. HOWEVER, if that’s the case, then you DO need to get his music out there. Just writing about how great he is doesn’t do it. It wouldn’t for me. You can talk up, say, Muse. But until I hear Muse, I am not particularly interested. Now I *have* heard Muse, love them, bought their last two albums (DOWNLOADED THEM FROM ITUNES, in fact, which is the only place I download from). I don’t think iTunes’s place in the music landscape can be overestimated, given the number of people who have iPods and IPhones/iTouches. So I won’t feel okay about this till I see FYE doing better on the iTunes charts and getting more spins and adds.

Great if RCA gets going on the rollout, but they haven’t yet. And I had no idea who Owl City was until a few weeks ago. Suddenly, I hear the guy’s music on HAC and CHR and see the band go to the top of iTunes chart, and I think, Hm, might be interested in checking him out. I would like to see the same thing happen with Adam, and that just doesn’t seem unreasonable to me for a guy with immense talent.

Allison has no adds today ‘” but she should get some when the Pop station adds are put up on mediabase. Today was Hot AC stations’ ¦

I wouldn’t really expect HAC adds for Allison – much more of a pop tune. Hopefully more will come for it tomorrow.

And yeah, still doubting this RCA PR push. I still have a “wait and see”/”WTF is up with them” attitude toward RCA. Argh.

And that article about Adam – yeah, means nothing because of:

1. itunes roll out eff ups
2. no itunes promo (again, wtf with that)
3. first availability on amazon and AO
4. Hardly any promo push for it (argh)

But maybe articles like this will be a wake up call to RCA. Seriously think this FYE roll out was weird. Argh – ok, need to stop arghing today.

Ok, the funniest thing I noticed about LLWD is there’s a Christian AC station that seems to be spinning it like crazy – I think they have the most spins per week right now – not by much over some of the HAC and Top 40 stations but still.

I also find it interesting that Adam seems to have been embraced to such a great extent in Canada but not Kris.

And what is wrong with Allison’s people – why is she getting practicaly no adds and no promo push? While Adam’s adds aren’t high up there he hasn’t really had any promo as of yet so I would think once the promo machine kicks in the adds will follow. Kris is getting both adds and promo so thing seem to be working properly in his camp.

I understand. My issue is that Adam is NOT known by the public at large and shouldn’t be. I am not naive

Sue, I would never call you naive in the ways of all things Adam. All I meant is “it is what it is.” I think the first week numbers will be ok. If it’s good music, it will get played and the numbers will go up. I’m not sure why the reporter decided to write that article. I think he should wait until Wednesday after the sales reports are out. Then he would have more information. The writer may be completely unaware of the AO website and may not realize Amazon was selling the single a couple of days before ITUNES.

suebrody – ITA with you. I keep getting back to the fact that Adam seems to be around the media a lot – online, magazines, tv, even in connection to movies. But there seems to be a kind of weak push from RCA for the actual music angle – in terms of getting the music out to people (as you mention). It’s like that’s just a side product of creating this bigger awareness of who he is.

And that might be part of the “branding” strategy, but imo he needs to be given full support to thrive first as a singer/performer, which are his primary strengths, and from there segue into being able to do other media, and appear prominently in other media (someone like Justin Timberlake comes to mind – success in other media came from his incredible ability as a musician and performer)

Also, just to keep in mind re Adam’s first week sales numbers, they will also be effected by anyone getting FYE as part of the deluxe album purchase – those, I don’t think, will count toward the singles sales.

On the plus side – Adam Lambert is trending on Yahoo, for some reason Sweet.

Thanks, undercooked and Mary. I don’t know why…b/c it’s Monday, and I’m tired, perhaps? –but I feel pessimistic, b/c I think RCA totally bungled Cook’s roll-out and it took him so much work to get his music out (and he even won Idol!). I didn’t mean to imply that you thought I was naive, undercooked. I just am not enthralled about the pattern of adds and airplay and iTunes and lack of radio appearances to date (NVM Jingle Balls). And if I were looking at Allison’s roll-out, I would be *really* concerned.

I’m not too worried about the single. My take on the early release on AO and amazon is that RCA wanted to get a far more realistic look at interest in the single/Adam. Instead of the inflated position on the itunes chart from the AI fan base, with a summarily quick bottoming out after the rush, they get a modest start on the itunes chart that is more inline with sales from non hardcore fans.

I think that ITunes messing up on their end has caused some problems with such a goal, as even non hardcore fans couldn’t see that it was released.

Overall, I think it’s off to a fine start. He had 13-14 adds last week, and 9 adds already today. People just need to be patient.

HOWEVER, the people at large:

check out iTunes to see what’s new;
listen to new music (let’s say Owl City) and think, hey, let’s download the single

This is actually not how the typical music buyer finds out about new music. #1 is radio, #2 is internet radio, retail Websites [including iTunes] are very low on the list — below newspapers.

The iTunes chart does not reflect total sales. In the US only 35% of music sold is digital, and iTunes is now only 69% of the US download market [first half 2009]. In other words, iTunes is only 24% of the US music market. And, for any given title or artist the % of sales that are digital varies widely and the % of digital sales sold on iTunes also varies – Barbra S. sold mostly CD’s, and SuBo looks like she is also selling mostly CD’s.

The average music buyer is not a 16 year old hanging around iTunes. Over 35% of music is now being bought by people over age 45 — and they less unlikely to buy from iTunes than people under 30 — but almost as likely to have downloaded music in the past year. Source: National Association of Broadcasters.

Radio is an important way to find out about new music but it is certainly not the only way. In 2006, 26% of all US adults listen to internet radio [It is the latest number I could quickly find but I am certain it is now significantly higher.]

Percent of Respondents Relying on Media Sources for Information about New Music
Year……………Internet……….. Newspapers……… Radio……….Television
2002……………… 9%………………… 2%……………… 63%…………. 14%
2007……………. 25%………………… 4%……………… 48%…………. 12%
Source: Arbitron Inc./Edison Media Research Survey of 12+ Population, 2007.

I can’t find a more recent reliable survey on the topic, but I am certain that the roll of the internet has increased and radio has decreased since 2007.

FYE — only 39.5% of stations reporting and 9 new adds, 22 total adds — this is a great first week — and they haven’t started spending Adam’s promo money yet.

Adam had 6 adds today!!!! YEAH!!!!!

CJFM-FM Pub 8 Canada-Hot AC Montreal RCA Astral Media 2 11/9/2009 7:23:00 AM
CKFM-FM Pub 7 Canada-Top 40 Toronto RCA Astral Media 1 11/9/2009 5:16:00 AM
CKOI-FM Pub 2 Canada-Top 40 Montreal RCA Corus Entertainment Inc. 2 11/5/2009 11:10:00 AM
KLTG-FM Pub 2 Hot AC Corpus Christi, TX RCA Tejas Broadcasting 137 11/9/2009 11:35:00 AM
KSII-FM Pub 0 Hot AC El Paso RCA Regent Communications, Inc. 76 11/9/2009 12:13:00 PM
* KYKY-FM Pub 14 Hot AC St. Louis RCA CBS Radio 20 11/9/2009 5:19:00 AM

three more. And yay clear channel added FYE

KCDA-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Spokane RCA Clear Channel Communications 92 11/9/2009 1:57:00 PM

KCDU-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Monterey-Salinas RCA Mapleton Communications 82 11/9/2009 2:12:00 PM

WCDA-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Lexington, KY RCA L. M. Communications 104 11/9/2009 2:02:00 PM

FYE ‘” only 39.5% of stations reporting and 9 new adds, 22 total adds ‘” this is a great first week ‘” and they haven’t started spending Adam’s promo money yet.

1. This is FYE’s second week. I can see no definition under which it is its first week. We are into Day 11. It went for adds last week. Hell, you’d more easily convince me that this was his third week (Fri-Sun-first week, Sun-Sun-second week, Mon-start of third week), although I think that would be total nit-picky and unhelpful.

2. They’ve been spending Adam’s promo money for weeks. Just read the bitter things that Blake said (seriously, have you seen that video? $200K it cost him). There is a lot that goes into promoing a song and it isn’t all visible on the surface.

2. They’ve been spending Adam’s promo money for weeks. Just read the bitter things that Blake said (seriously, have you seen that video? $200K it cost him). There is a lot that goes into promoing a song and it isn’t all visible on the surface.

There is an FYE video? How did I miss that?

9 adds this week so far? That’s better than I expected!

I’m assuming this hasn’t been posted yet. I double checked this thread just to be sure.

CHART DATE: 11/09/2009
LAST UPDATE: 11/09/2009 15:29:55
NOW IN: 36.20%

LW TW artist / album label power index
– 1 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 127,422
PLAY ON
1 2 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 74,927
THIS IS IT
– 3 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC SONY MUSIC 64,519
NOW 32
9 4 TIM MCGRAW CURB 25,500
SOUTHERN VOICE
12 5 MILEY CYRUS HOLLYWOOD 25,137
TIME OF OUR LIVES
– 6 ANDREA BOCELLI DECCA 23,611
MY CHRISTMAS
– 7 GLEE CAST COLUMBIA 20,835
GLEE, VOL. 1
8 8 TWILIGHT SAGA: NEW MOON CHOP SHOP/ATLANTIC 19,608
SOUNDTRACK
3 9 CREED WIND-UP 18,978
FULL CIRCLE
2 10 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 17,704
FEARLESS

13 13 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 13,843
NUMBER ONES

36 31 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 6,877
ESSENTIAL

– 42 DAUGHTRY 19/RCA/RMG 4,269
LEAVE THIS TOWN

Meh. I don’t ‘know whether to be excited, depressed, or passive. I guess I’ll just listen to some Adam tuneage for a while (now playing: One, studio).

ETA: I wish there were an FYE video. TfM will do for now, however.

There is an FYE video? How did I miss that?

It’s an example of how expensive promoing a single can be and how creative label accounting can be.

I’m quite certain that RCA has been spending a bit of time phoning up program directors pushing this song. If they haven’t, then they are wasting time. They are spending promo money. They’ve also rigged up this deal with Ryan for the concert and some of that will be charged to Adam’s account (and the other two too). Ryan is not going to pay for it.

They are spending promo money on getting together a band for his promo appearances (including the AMAs). They are spending money strategizing. They are spending money all over the place. It just takes a bit of time to see the results.

Adam has 9 adds today — but 3 of the 9 are Canadian stations. Do those count terms of moving up the radio charts and in total amounts of spins? Or do they only count the US stations for this stuff?

What did I miss? This is Adam’s second week. Can we add up Kris’ first and second week adds and call it his first week too? LOL

1. This is FYE’s second week. I can see no definition under which it is its first week. We are into Day 11. It went for adds last week. Hell, you’d more easily convince me that this was his third week.

2. They’ve been spending Adam’s promo money for weeks. Just read the bitter things that Blake said (seriously, have you seen that video? $200K it cost him). There is a lot that goes into promoing a song and it isn’t all visible on the surface.

How is it day 11? The song was previewed and went on sales on AO.com on 10/30/09 but the FYE packets weren’t delived to the stations until the morning of 11/2/09 — the same day RCA went for Adds — 7-1/2 days ago. So I guess, technically we have 39.5% of the reports for Week 2.

And there were 48 spins before 11/2 reported to MediaBase — but I start counting from the point that RCA delivered the materials vs. the point that it was downloadable from AO.com.

I still find 22 adds with no promo commitments to any of those stations to be a good start.

I guess I wasn’t clear — I was refering to the radio promo budget — which apparently they haven’t started to spend. [The one exception may be the commitment to do the Kradison concert -- looks like a promo deal to me.]

In fact, so far, there has not been a lot spent on promoting Adam, FYE [single] or FYE [album]. What else has been spent — all I can think of is some inexpensive online banner ads on fansites and Idol blogs [like MJs] that started appearing 3 days ago, I haven’t seen much in the way of paid advertising either.

Am I forgetting something? Has 19/RCA spent Adam’s money on a music video? — As far as I can tell, an FYE MV hasn’t been shot yet. Will it cost $200K? — No probably it will cost more. Will they spend money on the AMA production? Sure, and it will be worth every penny.

HAC adds just closed. Kris finishes with 8 and Adam with 7. Leader today was Lifehouse with 18 and Daughtey with 17.

HAC adds just closed. Kris finishes with 8 and Adam with 7. Leader today was Lifehouse with 18 and Daughtey with 17.

How do you see 7 for Adam? I count 8(i think one was just added)….

New add for FYE: WXLO in Worcester (near me, in Boston), HAC, 8 spins so far. (Interestingly, they are putting on a Jingle Ball with Kris and others but not with Adam; apparently, Adam doesn’t get to do any Jingle Balls).

Well, it isn’t a Canadian station, anyway.

9 ADDS today.

HAC adds just closed. Kris finishes with 8 and Adam with 7.

What am I doing wrong? I only see 6 adds for Kris. And I guess Canadian adds do not count for Adam?

Itunes overall market share is lower but they virtually own the singles market. Its usually a good way to track a single, this week with FYE’s availability on AO notwithstanding.

Radio promo is mostly behind the scenes.Its hard to tell what’s going on IMO.I seriously doubt they are not spending money on Adam.

9 ADDS today.

I count 10…am i counting wrong? (I was a poli sci major, not a math major, so its possible)

those mediabase charts are really confusing

Eileen99
11/09/2009 at 6:04 pm
HAC adds just closed. Kris finishes with 8 and Adam with 7. Leader today was Lifehouse with 18 and Daughtey with 17.

I only see 6 adds for Kris. But he picked up a big one — KPLZ Seattle. AM I missing something?

HAC Adds – Adam 7US + 1 CA, Kris 6US Daughtry 17US + 2 CA Lifehouse 18US

Folks might be interested in a little more detail:

Kris: 9 HAC adds today
Of the 9, only one was an auto add that spun LLWD 11 times last week. The rest are all new audiences with no spins – 2 of the 9 are in Top 20 markets (including Seattle FIANLLY).

Adam: 7 HAC adds today, plus one is Canadian (not sure how those factor in to chart spins).
Of the 7, two were auto adds, spinning FYE 14 & 8 times last week. One additional spun it two times; the Canadian 8 times, and the rest are new stations. One new station is a Top 20 market. (Not including the Canadian stations).

Q3, you need to click on the Combined report.

mmb – One of Kris’ adds is a Top 40 station; we’ll count those in tomorrow’s adds.

I only see 6 adds for Kris. But he picked up a big one ‘” KPLZ Seattle. AM I missing something?

HAC Adds ‘“ Adam 7US + 1 CA, Kris 6US Daughtry 17US + 2 CA Lifehouse 18US

that is what I see too….but obviously others are seeing something different

Canadian Adds count too. Last time I checked, Canadian money fold as well as US money. And one of the Canadian adds is a Toronto Top 40 station that has a significant US audience.

We still have the Top 40 stations to come in.

This is so funny , people count adds. Kris has more, no Adam has more. It is the same BS as Amazon ranking. Nobody in clear mind would use it as an argument. But idol stans do.

Q3: I thought Adam had 3 adds from Canada. Also, at least one of these Canadian stations is considered to be a “heavy hitter”!

Today we count only the HAC adds; tomorrow Top 40 closes.

If you click on the Combined report, you get the true adds today, not just Monitored stations.

Q3, you need to click on the Combined report.

On the combined report — I have Kris with 9, not 8. I can’t match the 8 on any of the reports. Also, there are still some HAC stations that are coming in.

Nine FYE adds:

CJFM-FM Pub 8 Canada-Hot AC Montreal RCA
CKFM-FM Pub 7 Canada-Top 40 Toronto RCA
CKOI-FM Pub 2 Canada-Top 40 Montreal RCA
KCDA-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Spokane RCA
KCDU-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Monterey-Salinas R
KLTG-FM Pub 2 Hot AC Corpus Christi, TX RCA T
KSII-FM Pub 0 Hot AC El Paso RCA
* KYKY-FM Pub 14 Hot AC
WCDA-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Lexington, KY RCA
* WXLO-FM Pub 8 Hot AC Worcester, MA RCA

Kris’ HAC adds – the report shows ten total, but one is for tomorrow.

http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddDetails.asp?sngcde=ALLELLWD

Q3, 100% of HAC has reported. Kirsten, correct me if I’m wrong.

k0ka
11/09/2009 at 6:17 pm

This is so funny , people count adds. Kris has more, no Adam has more. It is the same BS as Amazon ranking. Nobody in clear mind would use it as an argument. But idol stans do.

I think every report has its value I didn’t find anyone using the adds in any argument in this thread so far. Just try to learn how to read some charts…

gemini1
11/09/2009 at 6:18 pm
Q3: I thought Adam had 3 adds from Canada. Also, at least one of these Canadian stations is considered to be a ‘heavy hitter’ !

Adam picked up 2 Canadian Top 40 stations including CKFM-FM Toronto — which is an important station in Canada and has a big US audience. The comparison was of HAC adds.

Sue, here is the report for Adam. You can bookmark this and check it weekly.

http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddDetails.asp?sngcde=LAMBFYE

Eileen99
11/09/2009 at 6:22 pm

Kris’ HAC adds ‘“ the report shows ten total, but one is for tomorrow.

http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddDetails.asp?sngcde=ALLELLWD

Eileen, I only find 6 Adds in the link you provided…

ETA, oh I need to change the mode to ‘combined’, but I find 9 not 8…

BeckyMD, right. Not trying to argue, just to look at the right numbers, but again, I’m not the expert, Kirsten is – she needs to confirm if I’m giving wrong information (!).

I like watching adds because I’m a CPA, for one, and I like numbers, and two, I like to watch how the adds translate to spin. I especially like it when the adds are for brand new stations that are not currently spinning the song – and I like to look at market size. Every day on AllAccess you can check the “starters” of the song you’re interested in to see which new stations are spinning it, even if they have not added it yet. I only know how to do this for charting songs, however (Top 50 each format) – don’t know how/if you can check for songs that haven’t reached enough spins yet. I’m sure someone here knows how to access that information.

plus one is Canadian (not sure how those factor in to chart spins).

They do not count on the Main Mediabase chart or the weekly Quickcut. They are included in the QuickCut totals and will chart on the Canadian Mediabase charts.

How is it day 11?

Counting from the first day it was spun.

So I guess, technically we have 39.5% of the reports for Week 2.

We have reached an agreement.

HAC adds just closed. Kris finishes with 8 and Adam with 7. Leader today was Lifehouse with 18 and Daughtey with 17.

Good Day for Daughtry. Kris should be able to maintain his spincrease with that (but there is a huge gap there around top 20 so we likely won’t see much movement for the next couple of weeks).

Carrie Underwood got 5 adds and Jason Castro got 3 today on HAC. Kelly notched another 2 for a total of 96 (which is reaching the maximum).

And Kris magically got another 1 for “Heartless” for a total of 2. Daughtry got one for “NO Surprise” as well (total 99).

And what do I see? Donny Osmond got an add (he rates a mention because he’s on SYTYCD) and he’s recording for our old friend “HiFi”.

Sum it up on HAC:
17 “Life After You” Total: 20
9 “Live Like We’re Dying” Total: 53
7 “For Your Entertainment” Total : 13
5 “Cowboy Casanova” Total: 14
3 “Let’s Just Fall In Love Again” Total: 3
2 “Already Gone” Total: 96
1 “No Surprise” Total: 99
1 “Heartless” 2

Here is the combined report link — to the summary page — just click on the sing title and you can see a list of the new adds. Click on the number under Total Historic Adds and you can see all ads. Kris have 9 total HAC adds and one Top40 add.

http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddsByFormat.asp?DBMODE=2&Startdate=11/4/2009

Becky – where did the 8 come from? Did I say that? Kris has 10 adds showing today – 9 are for HAC and count in his HAC adds for the week – the other one is Top 40 reporting a day early, and will count for Top 40 adds tomorrow.

Thank you, Eileen. And I guess b/c I am right brained, none of this makes any sense to me. *sigh* I guess I’ll just wait to see how many times I hear it on the radio. What else can I do?

ETA: Is this it for adds for the week, or are there more coming up in the next couple of days? See, I still don’t get this.

So, no one from Season 3 has a release or no one has a hit?

One Heartless add? LOL. Which version (just kidding, I’m assuming the old crappy studio version), but still … just. LOL.

BeckyMD, right. Not trying to argue, just to look at the right numbers, but again, I’m not the expert, Kirsten is ‘“ she needs to confirm if I’m giving wrong information (!).

Shh…I’m new to following adds. I think you know more than me.

100% of HAC has reported. Kirsten, correct me if I’m wrong.

That is correct.

Canadian Adds count too. Last time I checked, Canadian money fold as well as US money.

That is not correct. We only have coins. Those $100 coins a bear to carry around. Just because they have a moose on the back doesn’t mean the moose has to be life-sized. Stupid Canadian Mint. They are so literal. Next coin better have a pine beetle on the back. Just sayin’.

“That is correct.”

THANK GOD. Now we move on to Top 40′s tomorrow and do this all again.

FYE ‘” only 39.5% of stations reporting and 9 new adds, 22 total adds ‘” this is a great first week ‘” and they haven’t started spending Adam’s promo money yet.

Every single thrust of promotion isn’t going to be visible to the public.

Becky ‘“ where did the 8 come from? Did I say that?

Eileen99
11/09/2009 at 6:04 pm

HAC adds just closed. Kris finishes with 8 and Adam with 7. Leader today was Lifehouse with 18 and Daughtey with 17.

Just to make sure I’m not seeing things….

It was a good day for many idols

ETA another top 40 added FYE

WGIC-FM Act 0 Top 40 Cookeville, TN RCA Great Plains Media/Cookeville Communications 289 11/9/2009 9:44:00 AM

THANK GOD. Now we move on to Top 40′s tomorrow and do this all again.

*thud*

(oh, plus it’s add day for iTunes, so we get to worry about that and new and notables and banners and the like…yippie.)

Canadian adds? LOL. Well, that’s different. I never tracked those before.

That is not correct. We only have coins. Those $100 coins a bear to carry around. Just ecause they have a moose on the back doesn’t mean the moose has to be life-sized. Stupid Canadian Mint. They are so literal. Next coin better have a pine beetle on the back. Just sayin’.

I was joking. This thread was way too serious. But I thought you used gold nuggets and shells!! LOL!

Counting from the first day it was spun.

That doesn’t make sense to me. I have always started from the day a song was released for radio airplay. Otherwise strange things happen when you try to analyze the data.

So is LLWD in week 9? I would have said it just went into week 8 because it wasn’t released to stations for airplay until 9/21/09 even though it had spins before 9/21/09.

Just like FYE was released to stations for airplay on 10/2 but had 48 spins from 10/30/09 [KIIS preview] thru 11/2/09.

Using the first spin rule would really cause problems for something like T4M. T4M which was never released to radio, got 8 spins but is listed as never released to radio. If it was released to radio on 11/13/09, you wouldn’t roll back the “start clock” to a Montreal station playing T4M on 10/10/09 because they downloaded it off the internet. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

This is what I found for FYE:

Station Spins LW Added Chart Wk# Added Chart Rank Format Market Label Owner Market
Rank Date Added

WXLO-FM * Pub 8 0 0 Hot AC Worcester, MA RCA Citadel Communications Corp. 114 11/9/2009
KCDU-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Monterey-Salinas RCA Mapleton Communications 82 11/9/2009
WCDA-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Lexington, KY RCA L. M. Communications 104 11/9/2009
KCDA-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Spokane RCA Clear Channel Communications 92 11/9/2009
KSII-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC El Paso RCA Regent Communications, Inc. 76 11/9/2009
KLTG-FM Pub 2 0 0 Hot AC Corpus Christi, TX RCA Tejas Broadcasting 137 11/9/2009
WGIC-FM Pub 3 0 0 Top 40 Cookeville, TN RCA Great Plains Media/Cookeville Communications 289 11/9/2009
CJFM-FM Pub 8 0 0 Canada-Hot AC Montreal RCA Astral Media 2 11/9/2009
KYKY-FM * Pub 14 0 0 Hot AC St. Louis RCA CBS Radio 20 11/9/2009
CKFM-FM Pub 7 0 0 Canada-Top 40 Toronto RCA Astral Media 1 11/9/2009

That’s 10 adds, right?

BeckyMD – sorry, you are correct. Kris = 9, not 8. Time to step away.

I was joking. This thread was way too serious. But I thought you used gold nuggets and shells!! LOL!

We did use to use shells, but we kept losing them in the snowbanks. Stupid white shells! Coins are easier to find (okay, I guess that’s another reason why the mint makes them so large).

So is LLWD in week 9? I would have said it just went into week 8 because it wasn’t released to stations for airplay until 9/21/09 even though it had spins before 9/21/09.

Who spun it before September 21st? It had a leak of about 23 seconds on one station. I do not consider that to be a spin.

I consider a song to be released when stations have it to play. 29 people spun FYE on it’s first day so I imagine that they had it to play. How else could they have spun it? Add dates can be anywhere from the day the song is released to never.

Using the first spin rule would really cause problems for something like T4M. T4M which was never released to radio, got 8 spins but is listed as never released to radio. If it was released to radio on 11/13/09, you wouldn’t roll back the ‘start clock’  to a Montreal station playing T4M on 10/10/09 because they downloaded it off the internet. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

TFM breaks the rules. Obviously, if it ever becomes a big hit, the metrics will be skewed by it’s odd birth. Something that has a high profile premiere on one of the biggest stations in the US and then spun by other stations is considered released by me. That is a straight up natural birth.

For anyone interested:

WXLO in Worcester, MA added Kris’ Heartless and spun it 13 times last week. Maybe they’re gearing up for the acoustic Xmas concert Kris is a part of, and reminding people of Heartless. Whatever works.

Just be aware that spins on unmonitored stations do not count on the Mediabase chart posted here. So don’t panic if FYE or LLWD gets 500 spins, but the chart only shows 430.

jpfan – that’s a good point. It took me a little while to puzzle that one through. However, people listening to those unmonitored stations buy singles on iTunes, so all adds are good for sales. Also, I don’t believe the Christian spins are reported on the quickcut reports, either.

This is so fascinating! Before this year I just listened to the radio oblivious to all this behind the scenes stuff. I am still waiting for my local radio to add Adam’s song. They just added Kris last week I think so I figure I have a couple more weeks to go.

I don’t think you can compare songs unless they’ve been released on the same day. I think it’s great that Kris is getting airplay and sales! Good for him!!

I can’t wait to see Adam’s name on the charts. I have no doubt we will. I just need to be patient. In the meantime, all this adding songs, spins, etc…is just so interesting to someone new to Idol this year. For all of you who’ve followed Idol previous years, God Bless! I don’t think I could do this every year!!

I am still watching itunes and Adam FYE is at #67, wasn’t he lower earlier?

CHART DATE: 11/09/2009
LAST UPDATE: 11/09/2009 17:45:26
NOW IN: 54.02%

LW TW artist / album label power index
– 1 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 211,036
PLAY ON
1 2 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 86,892
THIS IS IT
– 3 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC SONY MUSIC 86,503
NOW 32
– 4 ANDREA BOCELLI DECCA 60,426
MY CHRISTMAS
– 5 GLEE CAST COLUMBIA 51,256
GLEE, VOL. 1
9 6 TIM MCGRAW CURB 30,122
SOUTHERN VOICE
8 7 TWILIGHT SAGA: NEW MOON CHOP SHOP/ATLANTIC 26,509
SOUNDTRACK
2 8 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 25,158
FEARLESS
12 9 MILEY CYRUS HOLLYWOOD 25,137
TIME OF OUR LIVES
3 10 CREED WIND-UP 23,395
FULL CIRCLE

13 11 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 22,751
NUMBER ONES

36 30 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 9,079
ESSENTIAL

I am still watching itunes and Adam FYE is at #67, wasn’t he lower earlier?

It’s at #65 now. I believe just a short while ago it was #78, It seems to be moving up fast.

I consider a song to be released when stations have it to play. 29 people spun FYE on it’s first day so I imagine that they had it to play. How else could they have spun it? Add dates can be anywhere from the day the song is released to never.

I believe it was 29 spins total on 10/30/09 — 4 on KIIS Preview [3 in Ryan's show] — not 29 people or stations.

I

believe it was 29 spins total on 10/30/09 ‘” 4 on KIIS Preview [3 in Ryan's show] ‘” not 29 people or stations.

Either way, RCA digitally released FYE to stations on the Friday that Ryan played it on his show. The stations had the song. Everybody just needs to be patient, no new artists is going to rack up a 1000 spins after just one week of being out, or even 5000 spins after three weeks.

However, people listening to those unmonitored stations buy singles on iTunes, so all adds are good for sales.

I think that’s the right attitude to have. The purpose of getting airplay is to get new listeners. Charts are just a symptom.

Also, I don’t believe the Christian spins are reported on the quickcut reports, either.

No, they are not. Neither are the Radio Disney spins even though there is a column for them.

I believe it was 29 spins total on 10/30/09 ‘” 4 on KIIS Preview [3 in Ryan's show] ‘” not 29 people or stations.

Yes, I worded that incorrectly. 29 spins. Some of those spins were by the same people.

It was made available to the radio stations and some of them played it.

FYI, Adam is back down to #74 on iTunes (Kris is at #72), but you keep getting error messages when trying to buy FYE, so the epic fail issues are back. WTG, iTunes.

Kirsten, etal, you guys need to put out an easy-to-understand guide to charting, b/c this is just waaay too confusing for me, the right-side brain writer.

FYE single is # 26 on Amazon for MP singles with a green arrow up. Perhaps those who can’t purchase on ITUNES are heading over to Amazon.

They’ve also rigged up this deal with Ryan for the concert and some of that will be charged to Adam’s account (and the other two too). Ryan is not going to pay for it.

Ok – now this suddenly makes me pissed about the Kradison concert. I was ok with it before, but I guess I hadn’t really thought of it in money terms before.

Really, how is this concert helping Adam at all? Anyone going there is either going to already be a fan of his alone, or a fan of his through AI/Kradison – so no new fans there. The best thing they could do with that promo money, instead, even if it’s just for a one time gig, is to have him lined up with a big artist in a similar style (same goes for Kris and Allison). Seriously, what is the point of this concert? Sorry – I digress.

I think that it is very clear when a first single from an album is released: it’s when it became available for radio stations to play it, and for artists who are able to get a special debut on popeater, a radio station, or a TV show (like Idol), that will be when the debut occurred.

On a completely different note: it looks like there is a problem with mediabase and the quickcuts are not currently available. Not sure if this is a permanent problem or not, but it’s unnerving not to have access to that data….

1 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 211,036

Nice update. Go Carrie. Can’t wait to see what the final HDD comes in at..

On a completely different note: it looks like there is a problem with mediabase and the quickcuts are not currently available. Not sure if this is a permanent problem or not, but it’s unnerving not to have access to that data’ ¦.

Crap! That’s what happened when we lost access to the full mediabase links and then when we lost access to the front door of QuickCuts.

I wonder how long before we lose the add boards too. Oh well, I guess they want to make money too.

FYE made a huge jump overnight. It’s number #60 on the Itunes chart, but it’s 30 on the Itunes Pop chart (TFM is #55).

Do people get the FYE single when they preorder the FYE album? If so, that may be part of the jump—preorders that work that way increase single sales in the week that the preorders are made, but are removed from the single sales total when the actual album becomes available and is downloaded.

Do people get the FYE single when they preorder the FYE album?

Yes.

If so, that may be part of the jump’”preorders that work that way increase single sales in the week that the preorders are made, but are removed from the single sales total when the actual album becomes available and is downloaded.

I don’t think that is how it works. I think it effects the download chart, but not the single ranking chart on iTunes. I could be wrong though.

I suspect the jump is due to the iTunes Banner ad he has on several pages. Those things really work.

On a completely different note: it looks like there is a problem with mediabase and the quickcuts are not currently available. Not sure if this is a permanent problem or not, but it’s unnerving not to have access to that data’ ¦.

Crap! That’s what happened when we lost access to the full mediabase links and then when we lost access to the front door of QuickCuts.

Does this mean the Quick Cuts are gone forever?

Kris and Adam have each gotten their first Top 40 add of the day. KSYN, a Top 40 station in Joplin, MO, added both LLWD and FYE.

I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this on other threads yet (can’t keep up!), but LLWD is on the Rate the Music HAC survey this week, and is listed as the top HAC song on their home page. Rate the Music is one of the tools radio uses to determine how popular a song is. Kris fans (and everyone else as well) can sign up for a free account and do the various format surveys every week. FYE will probably show up there in a few weeks.

http://www.ratethemusic.com

Kris and Adam have each gotten their first Top 40 add of the day. KSYN, a Top 40 station in Joplin, MO, added both LLWD and FYE.

Oops, I got my pages mixed up. Kris was actually added by KNDE (Bryant-College Station, TX) and WAEZ (Johnson City).

from hits daily double’ ¦ carrie underwood is an album selling monster ‘“ you go girl!

CHART DATE: 11/09/2009
LAST UPDATE: 11/10/2009 14:28:28
NOW IN: FINAL

- 1 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 312,924 ‘“
PLAY ON

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

ps… no other ex idols made the top 50….

I suspect the jump is due to the iTunes Banner ad he has on several pages. Those things really work.

Yeah, I won’t get into this too much, but this frustrates me no matter who is responsible the the banner…

As I understand it, when you purchase a preorder and get a single, it improves the single’s ranking on the song chart (because you technically purchased the single) and improves the preorder’s ranking on the album chart (because you will ultimately be buying the album).