Comments on: Monday Morning Mediabase Update – 11/24/08 http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm American Idol - I Love This Cheesy Show Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: cruzceleste http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167709 cruzceleste Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:09:11 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167709 <blockquote>Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just happy both Davids outdebuted the freakin Twilight soundtrack. (Does that put them on Team Potter? ;)</blockquote> Team Potter FTW!!!!

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just happy both Davids outdebuted the freakin Twilight soundtrack. (Does that put them on Team Potter? ;)

Team Potter FTW!!!!

]]> By: sherryw http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167707 sherryw Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:33:46 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167707 <blockquote>Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m really happy Archie had a normal drop-offà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬'both Taylor Swift and T-Pain had a 65% drop-off as well. It means that his sales werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t overly fueled by à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Idol sales.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Actually, no, it means nothing of the kind. I think it all depends on which way the numbers are spun and what purpose they fit (as with all things). Most artists (Idol or otherwise) experience a drop anywhere from 50 to 70 percent in their second sales week. So, it could be spun that there were no or few Idol-fueled sales (but without documentation of the pre-orders which were undoubtedly Idol-related, there isn't much to back that statement up outside of conjecture). Of course, the other spin would be that Crush sold 166k in its first week and the album only bested it by 17k (with pre-orders included). When the single went on to be a Top 20 hit and sell a million copies, those numbers could be viewed as a disappointment or an indication that fans interested in purchasing all of an artist's music hasn't increased from the initial outing. Or it could be viewed as simply standard sales for teen pop (singles, not necessarily albums). Please note that I am not saying that any of these scenarios are the case because, in all honesty, none of us know these things. I am simply demonstrating that numbers of all kinds can be interpreted in a number of ways; it all depends on which side of the fence you are on. And, it helps to be a spin doctor with authoritative, convincing flair (but usually only with people who don't care to think for themselves). LOL</blockquote>

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m really happy Archie had a normal drop-offà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’both Taylor Swift and T-Pain had a 65% drop-off as well. It means that his sales werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t overly fueled by à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Idol sales.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Actually, no, it means nothing of the kind. I think it all depends on which way the numbers are spun and what purpose they fit (as with all things).
Most artists (Idol or otherwise) experience a drop anywhere from 50 to 70 percent in their second sales week. So, it could be spun that there were no or few Idol-fueled sales (but without documentation of the pre-orders which were undoubtedly Idol-related, there isn’t much to back that statement up outside of conjecture).

Of course, the other spin would be that Crush sold 166k in its first week and the album only bested it by 17k (with pre-orders included). When the single went on to be a Top 20 hit and sell a million copies, those numbers could be viewed as a disappointment or an indication that fans interested in purchasing all of an artist’s music hasn’t increased from the initial outing. Or it could be viewed as simply standard sales for teen pop (singles, not necessarily albums).

Please note that I am not saying that any of these scenarios are the case because, in all honesty, none of us know these things. I am simply demonstrating that numbers of all kinds can be interpreted in a number of ways; it all depends on which side of the fence you are on. And, it helps to be a spin doctor with authoritative, convincing flair (but usually only with people who don’t care to think for themselves). LOL

]]> By: FolkFan http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167693 FolkFan Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:37:17 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167693 As an FYI, I did a double-check on the Billboard numbers. If DC's numbers hold where they are, his first-week sales would be the 16th best debut of the year (best for a new artist), and 18th best sales week of the year. Obviously, there are still 5 more sales weeks to go, and some may (and, in the case of Kanye West and GnR, are predicted to) outsell that 283K number. But all in all, quite a good week for Mr. Cook. I can put out numbers on that tomorrow, once we have finals for this week, if folks are interested. As an FYI, I did a double-check on the Billboard numbers. If DC’s numbers hold where they are, his first-week sales would be the 16th best debut of the year (best for a new artist), and 18th best sales week of the year. Obviously, there are still 5 more sales weeks to go, and some may (and, in the case of Kanye West and GnR, are predicted to) outsell that 283K number. But all in all, quite a good week for Mr. Cook. I can put out numbers on that tomorrow, once we have finals for this week, if folks are interested.

]]> By: weareallinnocent http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167639 weareallinnocent Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:30:31 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167639 ^^^ Awwww, he's a weeper. I, for one, hope his tears of joy roll, roll, roll on, certainly throughout his Turkey Day dinner and well, well beyond! ^^^ Awwww, he’s a weeper. I, for one, hope his tears of joy roll, roll, roll on, certainly throughout his Turkey Day dinner and well, well beyond!

]]> By: shell29 http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167632 shell29 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:23:05 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167632 <blockquote>10-to-1 odds that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d cry, if he hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t already. [grin]</blockquote> :happy_tb: Congratulations to DC on a great opening week! I'm so proud of him.

10-to-1 odds that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d cry, if he hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t already. [grin]

:happy_tb:

Congratulations to DC on a great opening week! I’m so proud of him.

]]> By: FolkFan http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167625 FolkFan Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:41:23 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167625 10-to-1 odds that he'd cry, if he hasn't already. [grin] 10-to-1 odds that he’d cry, if he hasn’t already. [grin]

]]> By: Bocephus http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167610 Bocephus Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:45:28 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167610 Scott, you are definitely Optimistic to a Fault! I'd love to hear Cook's reaction to all this 'bout now. Scott, you are definitely Optimistic to a Fault!

I’d love to hear Cook’s reaction to all this ’bout now.

]]> By: Scott http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167587 Scott Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:57:09 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167587 The amazon numbers, like Michelle said, aren't usually all that big... no where in the league of Walmart & itunes, but Cook sells above the norm there. Well, that's mostly anectdotal, but his fans do seem to prefer Amazon more than fans of other artists. If that's the case, he could get a bump up on the final numbers. Last week I think Archie ended up with a 3000 plus bump from the Tuesday final estimate (correct me if I'm wrong). If that happens in the same proportion, Cook could be get a 5000 bump. If amazon sales are higher for Cook as the anectdotal evidence suggests, he could get up to a 7000 bump and top off around 290,000. I'm not overly optimistic, but I don't rule it out. I would guess he'll come in around 285k when all is said and done, which is fantastic. The amazon numbers, like Michelle said, aren’t usually all that big… no where in the league of Walmart & itunes, but Cook sells above the norm there. Well, that’s mostly anectdotal, but his fans do seem to prefer Amazon more than fans of other artists. If that’s the case, he could get a bump up on the final numbers. Last week I think Archie ended up with a 3000 plus bump from the Tuesday final estimate (correct me if I’m wrong). If that happens in the same proportion, Cook could be get a 5000 bump. If amazon sales are higher for Cook as the anectdotal evidence suggests, he could get up to a 7000 bump and top off around 290,000. I’m not overly optimistic, but I don’t rule it out. I would guess he’ll come in around 285k when all is said and done, which is fantastic.

]]> By: Lisa http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167551 Lisa Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:58:53 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167551 Thanks to all who answered! Go DC! I am so happy for him! Thanks to all who answered! Go DC! I am so happy for him!

]]> By: Michelle http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167538 Michelle Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:35:41 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167538 I think we will get actuals from Amazon via Soundscan tomorrow too. Since Amazon doesn't report to HDD, HDD has to plug in an estimate number for them for the numbers they reported today. Amazon doesn't have a huge market share though so they usually don't end up changing the final count too much from HDD. I think we will get actuals from Amazon via Soundscan tomorrow too. Since Amazon doesn’t report to HDD, HDD has to plug in an estimate number for them for the numbers they reported today. Amazon doesn’t have a huge market share though so they usually don’t end up changing the final count too much from HDD.

]]> By: Incipit http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167530 Incipit Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:23:17 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167530 <blockquote>Lisa wrote: What numbers are missing?</blockquote> I'm going by Kirstens post, "tomorrow, when we get the real numbers and the percentage drop."...and information that perhaps 20% of the sales from smaller retailers are not yet reported. <blockquote>highest first-week sales for a new artist, 283K up against Beyonce and Nickelback, more than Taylor Swiftà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Very, very good work, Mr. Cook!</blockquote> Indeed. And this? will send me looking for a list of sales that only ranks new artist debuts in 2008...but after tomorrow, of course.

Lisa wrote: What numbers are missing?

I’m going by Kirstens post, “tomorrow, when we get the real numbers and the percentage drop.”…and information that perhaps 20% of the sales from smaller retailers are not yet reported.

highest first-week sales for a new artist, 283K up against Beyonce and Nickelback, more than Taylor Swiftà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Very, very good work, Mr. Cook!

Indeed.

And this? will send me looking for a list of sales that only ranks new artist debuts in 2008…but after tomorrow, of course.

]]> By: lovegoodmusic http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-167529 lovegoodmusic Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:21:08 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167529 I think Cook will also have some great figures next week. Because his album sales are still high, and t Walmart and Amazon re-stocked this week. #4 Borders #7 Barns & Noble #4 Amazon #1 Newbury Comics #3 Walmart I think Cook will also have some great figures next week. Because his album sales are still high, and t Walmart and Amazon re-stocked this week.

#4 Borders
#7 Barns & Noble
#4 Amazon
#1 Newbury Comics
#3 Walmart

]]> By: FolkFan http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-3/#comment-167527 FolkFan Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:19:09 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167527 I'll post updated numbers tomorrow after the soundscan data is in, but yup. I’ll post updated numbers tomorrow after the soundscan data is in, but yup.

]]> By: Jolene http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-3/#comment-167523 Jolene Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:12:27 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167523 I lost the prediction contest. But - I lost it because I bet too low, not too high! That's one competition I'm happy to lose. GO DC! He did amazing. Whooot! <blockquote>If DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s numbers hold, DCTR would have the 15th highest first weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sales of the year thus far, <strong>and the highest for a new artist</strong>.</blockquote> Really? That's so freaking awesome! I lost the prediction contest.

But – I lost it because I bet too low, not too high! That’s one competition I’m happy to lose.

GO DC! He did amazing. Whooot!

If DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s numbers hold, DCTR would have the 15th highest first weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sales of the year thus far, and the highest for a new artist.

Really? That’s so freaking awesome!

]]> By: smartcookie http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm/comment-page-3/#comment-167522 smartcookie Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:12:12 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-112408.htm#comment-167522 Fabulous numbers. I, too, said anything over 200,000 would make me happy, so 283K is dandy! 15th highest first-week sales of the year, highest first-week sales for a new artist, 283K up against Beyonce and Nickelback, more than Taylor Swift... Very, very good work, Mr. Cook! Fabulous numbers. I, too, said anything over 200,000 would make me happy, so 283K is dandy!

15th highest first-week sales of the year, highest first-week sales for a new artist, 283K up against Beyonce and Nickelback, more than Taylor Swift… Very, very good work, Mr. Cook!

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